[08:42] <BUGabundo> hi
[08:43] <BUGabundo> is the RegionalBoards-AsiaOceania schedule for today? I can't see it on the fridge
[08:44] <persia> BUGabundo, That's what the wiki page says.  If enough people are here, it will start in about 196 minutes.
[08:45] <BUGabundo> thanks persia
[08:50] <BUGabundo> asac: its just you I think! mine is working
[08:50] <BUGabundo> 1.0.2~bzr294-0ubuntu1~daily1
[08:55] <BUGabundo> oops wrong channel. sorry
[10:02] <shyam2> help
[10:03] <BUGabundo>  ! ask | shyam2
[10:04] <shyam2> msg nickserv identify rattlesnake
[10:05] <BUGabundo> shyam2: nice to know your password
[10:05] <shyam2> heheh
[10:05] <shyam2> new to irc
[10:05] <shyam2> so is there any way to change that
[10:05] <BUGabundo> don't do that in a channel for starters?
[10:06] <shyam2> oh
[10:06] <GunbladeIV> @.@
[10:07] <BUGabundo> shyam2: please type: /join #help
[10:13] <shyam2> so i changed my pass
[10:13] <BUGabundo> shyam2: great
[10:14] <shyam2> so i'm in the rite place for today's meeting ??
[10:17] <BUGabundo> shyam2: if it happens, sure!
[10:17] <BUGabundo> applying for membership too ?
[10:17] <shyam2> heheh
[10:17] <shyam2> yup
[10:17] <BUGabundo> lets see how it goes.
[10:22] <VK7HSE-Eee> awaits nervously... :-D
[10:23] <shyam2> whats there for nervousness ??
[10:25] <VK7HSE-Eee> He he... also applying for membership too...
[10:28] <shyam2> do you thing thats a big deal ??
[10:28] <shyam2> i mean
[10:28] <shyam2> who's the head for approving the ppl like us.
[10:31] <VK7HSE-Eee> I'm yet to find out!
[10:33] <Rochdi> Hi all
[10:33] <Rochdi> Hi MaWaLe
[10:33] <bizkut> hi Rochdi
[10:33] <Rochdi> Hi bizkut
[10:34] <VK7HSE-Eee> G'day...
[10:35] <BUGabundo> humm guud day
[10:35] <shyam2> hi everyone
[10:35] <MaWaLe> hi Rochdi
[10:36] <nizarus> one said "Quorum or not Quorum !!! That's THE question !!"
[10:36] <MaWaLe> please guys : keep the log clean
[10:36] <MaWaLe> the meeting is @10UTC
[10:36] <Rochdi> hi BUGabundo VK7HSE-Eee shyam2
[10:37] <bizkut> 24 minutes to go
[10:37] <shyam2> so you want the answer for Quorum
[10:38] <nizarus> shyam2: don't answer 42 :p
[10:38] <shyam2> why??
[10:39] <BUGabundo> guys, please calm down! take all that extra energy to #ubuntu-offtopic, ok?
[10:41] <MaWaLe> +1 BUGabundo
[10:42] <lifeless> shyam2: its a council
[10:42] <shyam2> ok fine
[10:43] <RachedTN> hello MaWaLe, nizarus, Rochdi :)
[10:44] <RachedTN> I am here to support MaWaLe, éééhhhhaaaaaaaa :)
[10:44] <MaWaLe> hi RachedTN
[10:44] <RachedTN> :P
[10:44] <MaWaLe> please keep the log clean
[10:44] <RachedTN> oky doky :)
[10:44] <MaWaLe> no offtopic here : thanks
[10:45] <shyam2> ya
[10:53] <shyam2> guyz is the group alive??
[10:54] <ALAYA> shyam2: yes it is. this channel is for meetings. look here to know about next meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[10:55] <shyam2> yes i know about that
[10:55] <shyam2> but no one is talking
[10:55] <ALAYA> because there is no meeting right now :)
[10:56] <RachedTN> shyam2: we are saving our energy, just 5 mn and you'll see how much we will talk :)
[10:56] <shyam2> ya
[10:56] <shyam2> i'll wait
[10:56] <RachedTN> shyam2: here they come :)
[10:56] <e-jat> wb TheMuso
[10:57] <TheMuso> e-jat: I never idle in here, but thanks all the same. :p
[10:57] <elky> hopefully not all at once.
[10:57] <e-jat> :)
[10:57] <e-jat> yea
[10:59] <RachedTN> hi elky :)
[11:00]  * persia peers about
[11:00]  * MaWaLe following persia
[11:02] <persia> Hmmm...   No amachu yet.
[11:02] <hito_jp> hi persia,
[11:02] <persia> hey hito_jp
[11:03] <MaWaLe> hi persia, TheMuso, lifeless, elky
[11:04] <shyam2> hi ppl
[11:05]  * BUGabundo_mibbit waits
[11:07] <lidaobing> hi
[11:07] <persia> Hrm.  Still no amachu.  Shall we start anyway?  lifeless, you still about?
[11:09] <elky> persia, we have an awful lot to get through tonight, i think he'd want us to start
[11:09] <persia> RIght.
[11:09] <persia> elky, You want to chair?
[11:10] <elky> persia, i'm eating as we do this, so probably not best
[11:11] <persia> OK.  TheMuso?
[11:11] <persia> Also, word is that amachu is having a power outage, and will be with us as soon as is practicable.
[11:12] <elky> and i have atrocious lag
[11:12] <TheMuso> Well, if we don't have to use MootBot or such, I don't mind attempting to chair.
[11:12] <persia> No need to use MootBot :)
[11:12] <TheMuso> ok then
[11:12] <e-jat> :)
[11:12] <TheMuso> Lets get started.
[11:12] <TheMuso> MaWaLe: It appears you're first up, so could you please tell us a bit about yourself, and what involvement you have in the Ubuntu community etc?
[11:13] <MaWaLe> thanks TheMuso
[11:13] <MaWaLe> so my name is Wajih
[11:13] <TheMuso> All other prospective members, please have a blurb ready so we can get through things as quickly as possible.
[11:13] <MaWaLe> i'm tunisian people
[11:13] <MaWaLe> i applied previously on this RB
[11:13] <MaWaLe> for the first time it was a +0 vote
[11:13]  * TheMuso remembers you.
[11:13] <MaWaLe> because i haven' enough community visibility (pro intervention)
[11:13] <elky_> i also remember
[11:14] <lidaobing> I'll back in 30 minutes(for supper)
[11:14] <MaWaLe> so as mentioned on my personal wiki page : i'm the events group coordinator of our Tunisian LoCo team
[11:15] <MaWaLe> i try to do my best to promote Ubuntu with supervising and taking part in events
[11:15] <RachedTN> I'm here to support MaWaLe for membership, he is awsome :)
[11:15] <MaWaLe> i also try to contribute in launchpad and also be present in IRC channels
[11:16] <MaWaLe> i have to give a special thanks to persia who helps me a lot to perfect my wiki page
[11:16] <MaWaLe> also amachu who revue it
[11:16] <MaWaLe> and all the RB members here present
[11:16] <persia> MaWaLe, When you last applied, there was some considerable discussion, and other effects within the Tunisian team.  Has that been resolved yet?
[11:16] <MaWaLe> if you have some questions?
[11:17] <MaWaLe> yes
[11:17] <MaWaLe> our LoCo had a meeting with the loco council
[11:17] <MaWaLe> and the issue is resolved
[11:17] <nizarus> persia: i'm the loco contact of the tunisian team and i confirm that the loco council closed that issue
[11:17] <MaWaLe> even the misunderstanding on my wiki page was resolved
[11:17] <RachedTN> I was present in taht discussion and I confirm too
[11:18] <persia> nizarus, Thanks for the confirmation.
[11:18] <nizarus> MaWaLe: still working with the loco and the other member leaved
[11:18] <TheMuso> MaWaLe: How did the event held on the 4th of April turn out?
[11:19] <amachu> hi
[11:19] <MaWaLe> it was a greatful success
[11:19] <TheMuso> Its an amachu! :)
[11:19] <zaafouri> I'm an Ubuntu-tn member & I'm here to support MaWaLe
[11:19] <elky> i am not convinced it is
[11:19] <MaWaLe> we also have a ffedback from peoples who was present
[11:19] <zaafouri> I work with this team since 4 months and everythings
[11:19] <amachu> TheMuso: hey!
[11:19] <zaafouri> is ok & I m pleased to work with this team
[11:19] <MaWaLe> they also prepare a report for the event that we hope to publish ont he next UNW
[11:20] <TheMuso> MaWaLe: Awesome.
[11:20] <Rochdi> I'm an Ubuntu-tn member & I'm here to support MaWaLe
[11:21] <elky> i am no longer concerned about your wikipage. the RMB received some correspondence this week, and it has me personally unsure of the resolution.
[11:21] <MaWaLe> elky : even nizarus was present and you can ask him for this event
[11:21] <ALAYA> I'm a ubuntu-tn member and I'm here to support MaWaLe too. his one of the most active member in our LoCo
[11:21] <nizarus> the report of the 4th April : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/En/EventISETSBZ9.04Reporting
[11:21] <RachedTN> here is a summary of our events : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/Events   , there is english reports too that with photos that can show you how successful our event were :)
[11:22] <MaWaLe> elky : sorry for asking but what correspondence
[11:22] <TheMuso> elky: RMB, I'm guessing is a membership board, but which one?
[11:22] <MaWaLe> the issue with Rafik was closed by the LoCo council
[11:22] <ALAYA> MaWaLe participate in most our events and coordinate them
[11:22] <MaWaLe> and all loco members here can confirm my sayings
[11:22] <elky_> TheMuso, this RMB
[11:22] <RachedTN> elky : take a look on the photos and you'll see :)
[11:22] <zaafouri> It was a great success, I'd pleasure to prepare and this event =)
[11:22] <TheMuso> elky_: ok
[11:23] <RachedTN> MaWaLe : he's the man, he is always present :)
[11:23] <zaafouri> +1 RachedTN
[11:24] <ALAYA> +1 RachedTN
[11:24] <RachedTN> +1 from me too
[11:24] <RachedTN> :)
[11:24] <nizarus> elky_: MaWaLe: still working with the loco and the other member leaved that was the situation after  the loco council meeting
[11:25] <MaWaLe> in that meeting even popey and boredandblogging was present
[11:25] <popey> indeed we were
[11:25] <RachedTN> I have the log of that discussion, bordenblogging was there and he can confirm you that later :)
[11:25] <RachedTN> hi popey :)
[11:25] <MaWaLe> thx popey for confirming
[11:26] <amachu> elky: persia: would like to take up voting?
[11:27] <persia> Sure, we can vote.
[11:27] <persia> I'm not sure there are lots more questions to ask.
[11:28] <persia> Personally, I'm uncertain.  The form of the wiki page is fine.  The previous conflict, and the accusations made make me uncomfortable regarding the letter of the CoC.
[11:28] <TheMuso> I think elky_ still has concerns about something...
[11:28] <elky_> i have just spoken with popey
[11:28] <elky_> and i am not convinced that the issues we are referring to are the same
[11:29] <elky_> i am voting -1 to mawale
[11:30] <amachu> rest?
[11:30] <RachedTN> I have the log of the discussion , i will be please to give it to anyone who need it to confirm that MaWaLe i the best, he rocks :)
[11:31] <amachu> RachedTN: do you have a wiki page for you?
[11:31] <persia> I'm +0.
[11:31] <ALAYA> elky_: I respect your vote. but I  think that MaWaLe deserve to be a ubuntu member
[11:31] <elky_> ALAYA, i do not think that any amount of contribution excuses the breaking of the Code of Conduct.
[11:31] <ALAYA> here my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Zied_ALAYA
[11:32] <TheMuso> Since I don't keep up with loco activity, and since I'm not really aware of these goings on, I can only go on the info I am presented with here. The wikipage is fine, and the testimonials seem fine, but the lingering doubt and confusion about goings on with the loco make me unsure, so +0.
[11:32] <MaWaLe> breaking of the code of conduct ????
[11:32] <MaWaLe> how?
[11:32] <ALAYA> +1 elky_
[11:32] <amachu> lifeless: TheMuso ?
[11:32] <elky_> MaWaLe, this is not the place to discuss it
[11:32] <ALAYA> but MaWaLe didnt
[11:32] <TheMuso> amachu: just voted, see my comments.
[11:32] <amachu> saw that
[11:32] <elky_> ALAYA, i am not convinced, and hence i cannot with good conscience vote him in
[11:33] <amachu> just a minute
[11:33] <ALAYA> elky_:  as I say: I respect your vote
[11:35] <BUGabundo> can I present now ?
[11:35] <elky_> BUGabundo, not yet
[11:35] <persia> BUGabundo, Not yet.  There's a few people ahead of you on the list.
[11:35] <BUGabundo> elky_: ok
[11:36] <amachu> MaWaLe: I couldn't immedietly recollect who started words against you.. was it nizarus ?
[11:37] <RachedTN> ﻿http://pastebin.com/m66e0b749  : here is the log of the discussion, you can see it, an here is my launchpad account : https://edge.launchpad.net/~rached-aleya
[11:37] <MaWaLe> nizarus : never
[11:37] <nizarus> amachu: i'm supporting MaWaLe, i'm not against him
[11:37] <ALAYA> amachu: no. nizarus ALAYA RachedTN zaafouri CRELOUR Rochdi are all here to support MaWaLe
[11:37] <MaWaLe> amachu: the only one was Rafik
[11:38] <MaWaLe> and rafik started words about all the LoCo team
[11:38] <MaWaLe> not only me
[11:38] <amachu> MaWaLe: yes. thanks
[11:38] <amachu> got it
[11:38] <RachedTN> it's all written in the log, you can see it yourself :)
[11:38] <amachu> nizarus: sorry, that was just a second of poor memory
[11:38] <RachedTN> we totally support MaWaLe :)
[11:38] <persia> So, let's set this aside for now, and we can all discuss over the next while.
[11:39] <nizarus> amachu: we are 2 then :D
[11:39] <persia> There's other candidates, who ought be reviewed.
[11:39] <amachu> MaWaLe: you have shown patience and perseverance, throughout. I would give you +1 for all that.
[11:39] <elky_> indeed, and some of us are hoping for bed before next year ;)
[11:39] <nizarus> persia: MaWaLe is waiting since december :/
[11:39] <MaWaLe> persia: can i only ask for the reason of all this delay please
[11:40] <amachu> backed up with your own team members like nizarus
[11:40] <MaWaLe> thanks amachu
[11:40] <RachedTN> and we are also waiting with him since december
[11:40] <persia> nizarus, And with the current voting of one against, and two abstaining, isn't going to be confirmed for membership today.
[11:40] <amachu> but with only me giving +1 and two abstaining
[11:40] <persia> amachu, Even then.
[11:40] <amachu> doesn't help you for today
[11:41] <elky_> ok, who's next?
[11:41] <amachu> persia: yep. we shall proceed
[11:41] <hito_jp> adityag is not here?  me?
[11:41] <elky_> aditya
[11:42] <TheMuso> hito_jp: looks that way
[11:42] <elky_> hito_jp, appears so
[11:42] <hito_jp> okay, Im Fumihito YOSHIDA, stay in Japan. Im ubuntu-jp(Japanese) LoCo members, and root of two japanese mirror servers that include ubuntutym.u-toyama.ac.jp(include jp.archive.ubuntu.com).
[11:42] <hito_jp> Also, I worked in supporting user at local forum(http:forum.ubuntulinux.jp) and some events, writing technical articles on Japanese {,Web} Magazines as LoCo members.
[11:43] <hito_jp> Please check my Wikipage. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FumihitoYoshida
[11:43] <elky_> hito_jp, you also give talks?
[11:43] <hito_jp> what mean "talks"? ( sry for my poorly english)
[11:44] <persia> Presentations.
[11:44] <elky_> hito_jp, you speak to groups
[11:46] <hito_jp> I planed to make a contribution, to push some features and arts came from in Japanese, for example, "TOMOYO Linux", "Ubunchu" and so on.
[11:46] <hito_jp> "Ubunchu" is Japanese Ubuntu 'manga'(comic) that wrote by Hiroshi SEO, We(ubuntu-us-ma and ubuntu-jp) collaborate this translation. see also: http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/ubunchu-the-ubuntu-manga-is-now-in-english/
[11:46] <elky_> hito_jp, you're the ubunchu writer?
[11:46] <hito_jp> No,
[11:47] <lifeless> amachu: I am here
[11:47] <hito_jp> Original author is "SEO Hiroshi"(seotch).
[11:47] <hito_jp> "SEO" is japanese familiy name, not search engine optimize;)
[11:47] <amachu> lifeless: may be a bit late. you vote on MaWaLe ?
[11:48] <lifeless> I am reading now
[11:48] <amachu> lets keep it later
[11:48] <amachu> let hito_jp continue
[11:48] <hito_jp> Okay, but...i said "if you have some questions?"
[11:48] <elky_> ok, moving on then, hito_jp.  You do some translations?
[11:49] <hito_jp> Yes, I worked as translator.
[11:49] <hito_jp> it called "Eng*r*ish";)
[11:50] <elky_> i've asked all my questions
[11:50] <TheMuso> none from me.
[11:50] <amachu> hito_jp: How long have you been with ubuntu japanese team?
[11:51] <hito_jp> about two years.
[11:51] <lifeless> I'm +1
[11:51] <elky_> between the presentations, articles, mirror admin'ing translations, bugs and loco work, i'm +1
[11:51] <TheMuso> +1
[11:51]  * persia has no questions for hito_jp, only unreserved support +1
[11:52] <amachu> and anyone here other than persia for your support?
[11:52] <e-jat> im +1
[11:52] <amachu> e-jat: ?
[11:53] <hito_jp> Thank you quorums, and e-jat;)
[11:53] <hito_jp> amachu: sorry, jkbys (Japanese LoCo leader) has absence.
[11:54] <amachu> hito_jp: thats fine. +1 from me too. keep up the good work
[11:54] <amachu> lifeless: do you have any thing to say on MaWaLe
[11:56] <BuffaloSoldier> + for hito_jp
[11:56] <iGama> :)
[11:56] <amachu> lifeless: any comments?
[11:56] <lifeless> amachu: -0.5 for MaWaLe sorry
[11:56] <BuffaloSoldier> +1 for hito_jp
[11:57] <amachu> lifeless: ok
[11:57] <hito_jp> Thanks, BuffaloSoldier.
[11:57] <MaWaLe> thanks for all
[11:57] <MaWaLe> just before leaving can i ask elky for a private meeting to discuss the break of CoC?
[11:57] <amachu> Khanh_coltech isn't here
[11:58] <amachu> jomlinux ?
[11:58] <amachu> linuxmalaysia?
[11:58] <amachu> GunbladeIV: are you there ?
[11:58] <GunbladeIV> amachu, linuxmalaysia cant make it today as he has important meeting on current moment
[11:59] <GunbladeIV> amachu, yup, im here
[11:59] <nbliang> jomlinux can;t make it i think
[11:59] <e-jat> amachu: linuxmalaysia just left .. he got urgent meeting regarding OSS issue
[11:59] <e-jat> GunbladeIV: is here ..
[11:59] <ApOgEE--> go go GunbladeIV
[11:59] <amachu> GunbladeIV: Please go ahead
[11:59] <GunbladeIV> Hello, my name is Mohd Faizul Zulkipli.  I'm 25 years old and I'm a student in local polytechnic institute.  I managed to join ubuntu-my loco team on early 2007 where i was appointed to take charge as one of the web team members.  I'm a supporter for free and open source software(FOSS).  Actively involved in educating and promoting the usage of FOSS especially Ubuntu to students and lecturers in Universities and Polytechnics.
[11:59] <GunbladeIV> I had tried once to be an official ubuntu members on 1st July 2008 but received +0 votes from the council and were asked to come again due to no sustainable contribution.
[11:59]  * nbliang go GunbladeIV
[11:59] <GunbladeIV> My contribution for my loco team is currently based on web service such as maintaining and updating current loco websites.  I also actively promoting Ubuntu to my lecturers and student here in Polytechnic Sultan Idris Shah(Sabak Bernam, Malaysia).
[12:00] <GunbladeIV> I help my lecturers on basic knowledge of installing ubuntu and using Open Office on 4th April 2009 and make it look like a workshop.  Picture will be added on my wiki as soon as i received pictures from my lecturer.  Council can view all my contribution on my wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gunbladeiv and my launchpad profile at http://launchpad.net/~gunbladeiv
[12:00] <elky_> MaWaLe, not necessarily a meeting, but we can discuss if you email ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:00] <GunbladeIV> i just finish paste my intro text, any question i'm more than happy to answer
[12:01] <khanh_coltech> hello :)
[12:01] <GunbladeIV> welcome khanh_coltech
[12:01] <khanh_coltech> im late?
[12:01] <elky_> khanh_coltech, you'll have to wait until after GunbladeIV now
[12:01] <amachu> khanh_coltech: wait for a while
[12:01] <MaWaLe> thanks elky for the reply : i'll do it
[12:02] <persia> GunbladeIV, I notice you were doing a number of translations up until about three weeks ago.  What changed?
[12:02] <GunbladeIV> persia, i'm having a load of workload right now. I need to finish my Final Year project to gain my diploma. I'll continue translation after i have a bit of time.
[12:03] <GunbladeIV> s/load/lot
[12:03] <GunbladeIV> persia, plus i need to present my Final Project in two weeks from now
[12:04] <persia> Fair enough :)  I was just curious if it was "I'm done with that" or "I'm too busy, and will get back to it soon", and am glad to hear it's the latter.
[12:04] <e-jat> maybe u may continue the translation after your final project right
[12:04] <GunbladeIV> e-jat, sure
[12:05] <lifeless> +1
[12:05] <nbliang> to add to that, GunbladeIV is very active in the loco activities
[12:05] <e-jat> persia: even GunbladeIV bz with his FYP ... he still contribute to loco especially our portal n wiki
[12:05] <lifeless> I remember you from before
[12:05] <elky_> yep +1 from me too
[12:05] <TheMuso> +1
[12:05] <persia> I'm both satisfied and happy.  Nice work since you you last applied.
[12:05] <persia> +1
[12:05] <GunbladeIV> thanks elky , e-jat and nbliang
[12:05] <BuffaloSoldier> i'm here to support GunbladeIV as well
[12:06] <amachu1> GunbladeIV: are there people from your team here?
[12:06] <GunbladeIV> thanks persia
[12:06] <bizkut> +1 for our LoCo member
[12:06] <bizkut> :)
[12:06] <GunbladeIV> amachu, yup.. they are e-jat , BuffaloSoldier , nbliang
[12:06]  * nbliang +1 to our member
[12:06] <GunbladeIV> amachu, bizkut is here too
[12:06] <e-jat> +1 for GunbladeIV
[12:06] <BuffaloSoldier> +1 for GunbladeIV
[12:06] <amachu1> okie.. sounds good for me
[12:06] <amachu1> +1 for GunbladeIV. Welcome
[12:07]  * nbliang Yippie for GunbladeIV
[12:07] <GunbladeIV> thanks quorums and all ubuntu-my members
[12:07] <ApOgEE--> +1 GunbladeIV
[12:07] <ApOgEE--> go go GunbladeIV !!
[12:07] <afflux> just for the record, as I've got to leave for breakfast: I'd like to show my support for BUGabundo, I remember him as a very active bugsquad member :-)
[12:07] <SuMarDi> +1 GunbladeIV
[12:08] <persia> afflux, So noted.  Thanks.
[12:08] <BUGabundo> afflux: thanks!
[12:09] <amachu1> khanh_coltech: are you there?
[12:09] <khanh_coltech> yes :)
[12:09] <amachu1> Please go ahead
[12:09] <elky_> time to introduce yourself
[12:10] <khanh_coltech> i am Phan Trọng Khanh :)
[12:10] <khanh_coltech> come from ubuntu-vn (Ubuntu Việt Nam)
[12:11] <khanh_coltech> i am administrator of Ubuntu-VN website
[12:12] <elky_> khanh_coltech, what parts of the website?
[12:12]  * lidaobing back just now
[12:12] <khanh_coltech> elky_: forum and wiki
[12:12] <elky_> khanh_coltech, as well as the main website?
[12:13] <khanh_coltech> elky_: yes
[12:13] <elky_> khanh_coltech, what about things on launchpad. what do you do there?
[12:14] <khanh_coltech> elky_: I contrib to Ubuntu by translate in launchpad and improve Ubuntu Vietnamese Community
[12:15] <elky_> khanh_coltech, do you have any other people from the vietnamese team here today?
[12:16] <khanh_coltech> elky_: yes
[12:16] <khanh_coltech> Cation_H:
[12:16] <amachu1> khanh_coltech: the wiki misses comments, testimonials
[12:17] <amachu1> Cation_H: any feedback on khanh_coltech
[12:17] <elky_> Cation_H, would you like to say something about khanh_coltech?
[12:19] <amachu1> khanh_coltech: ubuntu-vietnam is yet to become an approved team?
[12:19] <khanh_coltech> amachu1: yes
[12:19] <Cation_H> elky_: he is great
[12:19] <khanh_coltech> Cation_H: =))
[12:19] <elky_> khanh_coltech, do you do other things, like presentations, or expos
[12:19] <lifeless> Cation_H: are you a ubuntu member?
[12:20] <Cation_H> lifeless: yes, I'm trying to help ubuntu newbie.
[12:20] <khanh_coltech> elky_: no, i only translate ubuntu in lanchpad and improve Ubuntu-VN
[12:20] <lifeless> Cation_H: thanks, just curious :)
[12:20] <elky_> khanh_coltech, who is contact for ubuntu-vn?
[12:21] <amachu1> Cation_H: you have your wiki page?
[12:21] <Cation_H> amachu1: no, I don't
[12:22] <khanh_coltech> elky_: me :)
[12:22] <Cation_H> amachu1: but I'm taking part in writing ubunt-vn wiki
[12:22] <khanh_coltech> elky_: ubuntu-vn is found by Bùi Sỹ Phong
[12:23] <amachu1> well, I would give +0 at this time for khanh_coltech
[12:23] <lifeless> elky https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-vn/+members
[12:23] <amachu1> persia: comments?
[12:23] <lifeless> khanh_coltech is a admin in that team
[12:23] <amachu1> TheMuso: comments feedback
[12:24] <lifeless> which means in-team confidence
[12:24] <elky_> amachu1, i agree. I'd like to see better documentation and supporting comments from other -vn people first
[12:24] <TheMuso> +0 also. The wiki page lacks testimonials and more detail about the work you do would be nice
[12:24] <lifeless> I'm +1
[12:24] <elky_> khanh_coltech, you're doing good, we just want documentation!
[12:24] <lifeless> because I've nosed around ubuntu-vn.org, which looks well maintained
[12:24] <amachu1> khanh_coltech: more clarity on the wiki
[12:25] <amachu1> lifeless: yes.. that looks good
[12:25] <persia> I'm +1.  I'm happy with the work I've seen both now, and from previous interactions.  More documentation would be good, but I've seen enough in other traffic.
[12:25] <amachu1> may be may be, if Cation_H could have given more info about him, it would have helped me giving +1
[12:26] <khanh_coltech> thanks: persia, lifeless
[12:26] <elky_> persia, is that a recommendation as well?
[12:27] <persia> elky, No.  I've seen enough to overcome a desire for documentation, but not worked closely enough to provide a recommendation on my own behalf.
[12:27] <unitedpotsmokers> excuse me, i vote for my friend bizkut, because he looks very helpful & handsome... bye
[12:27] <amachu1> elky_: thinking of changing stance? I stick to +0
[12:28] <elky_> amachu1, if i could have seen more cheering, i'd have voted differently
[12:28] <persia> khanh_coltech, Put together the documentation, and you're in good shape for next time.
[12:29] <Cation_H> amachu1: our community have some articles in the local magazines to introduce about ubuntu
[12:30] <BUGabundo1> I'll have to leave in a few minutes for lunch! I'll try to come back later, if the meeting is still going on. Sorry
[12:31] <Cation_H> amachu1: but the documentation in the wiki does not help much
[12:31] <amachu1> okie. khanh_coltech: best wishes. you are doing good job
[12:31] <elky_> Cation_H, we're looking for things specific to khanh_coltech
[12:31] <Cation_H> amachu1: because all the people go to forum to ask
[12:31] <elky_> Cation_H, we want a better profile of khanh_coltech, we want to know more about him
[12:32] <amachu1> keep up the good work..
[12:32] <amachu1> hoping to see you back soon
[12:32] <Cation_H> elky_: he is learning at College of Technology, Vietnam National University, Hanoi
[12:32] <amachu1> Cation_H: ok.
[12:32] <persia> Cation_H, Telling us now isn't helpful: it belongs on the wiki page.
[12:32] <elky_> Cation_H, not now, on the wiki, next time we meet
[12:33] <amachu1> melayubuntu ?
[12:33] <GunbladeIV> amachu1, melayubuntu is here
[12:33] <e-jat> amachu1: melayubuntu reconnect
[12:33] <BuffaloSoldier> melayubuntu is restarting his X-Chat
[12:33] <amachu1> shyam2: are you there? and are you the one at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shyam
[12:33] <e-jat> there he is
[12:33] <shyam2> yup
[12:33] <shyam2> i'm here
[12:33] <BuffaloSoldier> I have to be away for now. For the record, I'm also here to support melayubuntu/zulmalc and bizkut. Both have interacted well with the rest of ubuntu-my community and have shown maturity in handling questions in IRC. Both have given significant contribution, in their own unique way. Therefore, I give +1 for melayubuntu/zulmalc and bizkut.
[12:34] <melayubuntu> can i be the next?
[12:34] <shyam2> ya
[12:34] <e-jat> thanks BuffaloSoldier
[12:34] <shyam2> you start
[12:34] <amachu1> melayubuntu: yes, Please go ahead
[12:34] <melayubuntu> ok..
[12:34] <melayubuntu> my name is zulkifli..and i'm a malaysian people
[12:34] <melayubuntu> i am 24 year old
[12:35] <melayubuntu> i am ubuntu local member since nov 2007 and specifically focus myself on documentation of ubuntu in my local language (malay)
[12:35]  * ApOgEE-- vouch melayubuntu 
[12:35] <melayubuntu> so then i setup this blog : http://melayubuntu.blogspot.com
[12:35] <melayubuntu> and then i published e-maj, an electronic magazine covered the basic things people wanted to know about ubuntu, operating system and the differences of ubuntu and mic. windows.
[12:36]  * e-jat malaysian love the e-maj
[12:36]  * bizkut vote him for e-maj/e-zine
[12:36] <melayubuntu> on 16 feb this year, i published 'Manual Ubuntu' an e-book about manual ubuntu written in malay...
[12:36] <melayubuntu> all of them is free..
[12:36]  * GunbladeIV +1 for melayubuntu e-maj
[12:37] <melayubuntu> then i noticed something...there are lack of effort to translate ubuntu to malay language..and i started translating it.
[12:37]  * e-jat used the e-maj for the past event
[12:37]  * SuMarDi likes melayubuntu e-maj
[12:37] <melayubuntu> i also have experience give a talk about ubuntu in an OSS seminar and i focused on ubuntu.
[12:37] <melayubuntu> so..any question?
[12:38] <e-jat> melayubuntu: give talk n presentation at college
[12:38] <persia> melayubuntu, On your wiki page, you say "contributed something for ubuntu session during FOSS.MY 08".  What was that something?
[12:38] <melayubuntu> yeah2.. thank e-jat
[12:38] <melayubuntu> owh ok...
[12:38] <e-jat> persia: melayubuntu be 1 of the presentator
[12:38] <melayubuntu> there were ubuntu sessions there..
[12:39] <e-jat> presenting ubuntu on macintosh
[12:39] <melayubuntu> e-jat, yups..thanks
[12:39] <e-jat> melayubuntu also explaining his e-maj for ubuntu user who came to the ubuntu room during the FOSS.MY 08
[12:39] <elky_> melayubuntu, how much of your documentation is available in normal ubuntu places, like the wiki?
[12:39] <ApOgEE--> I have to go now... I'm here to support melayubuntu and bizkut as fanclub from #ubuntu-my. I thought, they have contribute a lot in ubuntu-my community . Thank you!!
[12:40] <GunbladeIV> quorums, you can download E-Maj from melayubuntu at this address http://www.joomla.my/.downloads/EMAJ_EDISI_1.pdf
[12:40] <e-jat> melayubuntu also planning to release the 2nd edition of e-maj
[12:41] <e-jat> maybe in jaunty release party
[12:41] <melayubuntu> elky_ i cant remember how many mirrors it is..
[12:41] <persia> Just an English usage note: "quorum" is the quantity of people required to make a binding decision out of a group.  This is a regional membership board, and so the members thereof are properly referred to as "Board Members".
[12:41] <melayubuntu> most of them is free hosting mirror..
[12:41] <melayubuntu> like savefile and so on
[12:41] <e-jat> im sorry on  behalf of GunbladeIV , elky_
[12:41] <GunbladeIV> persia, council it is?
[12:42] <elky_> melayubuntu, if a malay user finds ubuntu.com and then wiki.ubuntu.com, how will they find these things easily?
[12:42] <lifeless> GunbladeIV: board; you can say 'board members' if you want to talk to/about us
[12:42] <amachu1> melayubuntu: any plans for publishing manual?
[12:42] <lifeless> as a group we are quorate if there are enough of us present to meet quorum
[12:42] <GunbladeIV> lifeless, noted
[12:42] <melayubuntu> amachu1, no at this time..but maybe in the future...
[12:42] <e-jat> amachu1: or should he create a project for the e-maj ?
[12:43] <elky_> melayubuntu, do you see my question?
[12:43] <melayubuntu> elky_, yes im sorry
[12:44] <melayubuntu> i planned to put it somewhere in wiki
[12:44] <persia> GunbladeIV, No, this isn't a council, it's a board.
[12:44] <e-jat> or where is the best to upload/publish it at ubuntu.com ? is that what u mean elky_ ?
[12:44] <lifeless> persia: asked and answered :)
[12:44] <melayubuntu> so then malaysian people can download it
[12:44] <elky_> e-jat, malay team has a wiki area, yes?
[12:44] <e-jat> elky_: yes
[12:44] <amachu1> e-jat: please keep this meeting for evaluation of candiadates
[12:44] <e-jat> amachu1: sorry ..
[12:45] <elky_> e-jat, somewhere on the front page of that area would be good. A box titled "Resources" or "Reading" would be good
[12:45] <elky_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/ seems broken too
[12:45] <elky_> it links from your wiki area
[12:46] <e-jat> elky_ we will do it a.s.a.p
[12:46] <lifeless> amachu1: elky_ is driving that line of questioning; if anyone its her to chastise :)
[12:46] <e-jat> elky_: GunbladeIV already explain it to persia just now
[12:47] <BUGabundo1> have to do! bbl. thanks
[12:47] <elky_> e-jat, i would prefer melayubuntu answer himself if possible
[12:47] <melayubuntu> elky_, excuse me..whats your question?
[12:48] <lifeless> I'm 0 at this point, not getting a sense of deep involvement, even though reasonable effort is being made
[12:48] <lifeless> its not quite connecting the dots yet in my opinion
[12:48] <TheMuso> lifeless: I'd agree, +0 also.
[12:48] <elky_> melayubuntu, it's been answered now, but e-jat was speaking for you, so i'm not sure who was really answering
[12:48] <persia> The product is gorgeous, and the effort large, but I'm inclined to agree with lifeless that it's yet insufficiently integrated.
[12:49] <elky_> i agree with the others. there's been some wonderful things done, but it seems disjointed from the rest of the malay work. if it could be integrated, i'd vote yes, but for now, it's only 0
[12:49] <melayubuntu> persia, its just because we just launched the wiki
[12:49] <amachu1> +0 from me too
[12:50] <persia> melayubuntu, Understood.  I think it's just a timing thing.  As soon as everything gets sorted, I expect you to find your next visit here very positive.
[12:50] <melayubuntu> persia, yups..well this is my 1st time here..
[12:50] <amachu1> melayubuntu: I second persia
[12:51] <lifeless> melayubuntu: what do you mean 'just launched the wiki'
[12:51] <amachu1> melayubuntu: best wishes next time
[12:51] <amachu1> shyam2: hi
[12:51] <lifeless> melayubuntu: what wiki are you talking about, for clarity?
[12:51] <melayubuntu> thanks amachu1
[12:51] <shyam2> hi
[12:51] <melayubuntu> nope...i mean local wiki
[12:51] <melayubuntu> we got overload problems too
[12:51] <amachu1> persia: did every one of us voted om melayubuntu?
[12:51] <elky_> lifeless, the one that's fallen over in a screamin heap
[12:51] <lifeless> elky_: w.u.c?
[12:52] <persia> amachu1, I don't know that we formally voted, but I think we have reached consensus.
[12:52] <lifeless> melayubuntu: whats the url to your wiki?
[12:52] <GunbladeIV> lifeless, he mean that wiki.ubuntu.com.my just launched last month by me..and atm we are having difficulties in handling load on the server
[12:52] <persia> lifeless, w.u.c.my
[12:52] <amachu1> persia: yes
[12:52] <elky_> lifeless, no, the .my one
[12:52] <melayubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/melayubuntu
[12:52] <melayubuntu> lifeless, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/melayubuntu
[12:53] <amachu1> melayubuntu: best wishes for next time
[12:53] <amachu1> shyam2: you can continue
[12:53] <melayubuntu> amachu1, ok thanks..
[12:53] <shyam2> hi amachu1
[12:53] <shyam2> I am Shyam from India
[12:53] <shyam2> i am a web developer
[12:54] <shyam2> i was there in fedoraproject
[12:54] <shyam2> in testing team
[12:54] <shyam2> but now shifted totally to ubuntu
[12:54] <amachu1> shyam2: would like to hear your contributions so far for Ubuntu
[12:54] <shyam2> helped many people in migrating to ubuntu
[12:55] <shyam2> i work in cognizant
[12:55] <shyam2> and asked permission for a presentation
[12:55] <shyam2> have created designs for t-shirts
[12:56] <shyam2> planning for ubuntu transtlation in tamil
[12:56] <amachu1> shyam2: are you aware of ubuntu tamil team and the work we do?
[12:56] <amachu1> http://ubuntu-tam.org
[12:56] <shyam2> ya
[12:57] <amachu1> the wiki lacks information
[12:57] <shyam2> yes i know that
[12:57] <shyam2> because two weeks back only
[12:57] <shyam2> i have created that page
[12:58] <amachu1> i have give -1 here
[12:58] <elky_> shyam2, how many cds have you handed out?
[12:58] <shyam2> more than 100
[12:58] <shyam2> to my friends in college, company
[12:59] <shyam2> t shirts i have done around 6
[12:59] <shyam2> for me and my friends
[12:59] <elky_> ok, i can see you've got a good start and have good intentions, but you're really only just starting out. membership requires significant *and* sustained
[12:59] <shyam2> yes
[12:59] <shyam2> from seeing the previous candidates
[12:59] <lifeless> shyam2: I think its great that you are contributing to Ubuntu. For membership we look for sustained contribution - you've been contributing to answers and bugs only since march as far as I can tell
[13:00] <shyam2> yes lifeless
[13:00] <persia> I think I'm -1 on this, for lack of documentation at least.  Advocacy work is harder to document than other sorts, but in part because of that, I like to see a *lot* of documentation.
[13:00] <lifeless> keep doing what you're doing and come back in a couple of months and I imagine there will be no question that you'll get voted in
[13:00] <shyam2> sure
[13:00] <lifeless> persia: shyam2 is quite active on answers (in case you didn't look there), but only 6 weeks
[13:00] <amachu1> shyam2: personally, suggest you to join mailing list of Ubuntu Tamil Team or Ubuntu Indian Team
[13:01] <TheMuso> -1 also, my thoughts have already been expressed by othes.
[13:01] <elky_> if you come back in 6 months time with lots of tamil work and more bugs and answers under your belt, i'll be happy to vote for you, but until then, i give a -1 also
[13:01] <shyam2> no problem
[13:01] <amachu1> and keep up the good work
[13:01] <amachu1> shyam2: keep up good work, and document them as you do them
[13:02] <shyam2> yes i'll do that
[13:02] <elky_> shyam2, write up a 'to do' list on your wiki, then move the into a 'done' list as you do them :)
[13:02] <shyam2> for sure
[13:02] <amachu1> lidaobing: your tur now
[13:02] <shyam2> fine...
[13:02] <lidaobing> amachu1, Hello
[13:02] <amachu1> lidaobing: your turn now
[13:02] <lidaobing> Hello, my name is LI Daobing
[13:02] <amachu1> go ahead
[13:02] <lidaobing> I lived in China and currently works for Kingsoft Inc.
[13:03] <lifeless> amachu1: I need to go
[13:03] <lifeless> amachu1: I'm sorry I was late, but its now 10pm
[13:03] <lidaobing> I maintained package for Debian since 2005
[13:03] <lidaobing> then I switch to Ubuntu in last year
[13:03] <lidaobing> I am focused on package maintaining
[13:03] <elky_> persia, TheMuso are you both still here?
[13:03] <TheMuso> yes
[13:03] <persia> Yes.
[13:03] <amachu1> lifeless: thats fine
[13:04] <lidaobing> you can check my debian package in http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=lidaobing@gmail.com
[13:04] <elky_> lifeless, we still have quorum, g'night :)
[13:04] <amachu1> thanks for participating
[13:04] <amachu1> good night
[13:04] <lidaobing> and I also maintain some packages for ubuntu: such as ibus-*, llk-linux, iptux, etc.
[13:04] <elky_> lidaobing, are you a MOTU?
[13:04] <lidaobing> elky, yes
[13:05] <lidaobing> elky_, I mean I can upload to motu
[13:05] <elky_> lidaobing, if you're focussing on development stuff, then it is more appropriate to gain membership through MOTU council. we focus on community things. have you made community contributions>
[13:06] <lidaobing> elky, not for ubuntu, I am the coordinator of Chinese in TP
[13:06] <persia> lidaobing, I'll second that.  You'd do better to apply to be a contributing developer: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers
[13:06] <TheMuso> elky_: to be clear, he can only upload to revu.
[13:06] <lidaobing> http://translationproject.org/team/zh_CN.html
[13:06] <lidaobing> TheMuso, yes
[13:06] <elky_> TheMuso, i understood :)
[13:07] <elky_> lidaobing, i think you're doing wonderful things, but if you go through the motu route, you'll get motu wings at the same time :)
[13:07] <lidaobing> elky, OK
[13:08] <amachu1> elky_: i suggest the same
[13:08] <elky_> lidaobing, thanks for helping make debian and ubuntu better though :)
[13:08] <lidaobing> elky_, OK.
[13:09] <elky_> amachu1, i think we're all agreed. should we move on?
[13:10] <amachu1> lidaobing: are ther people here to support you, apart from the suggestions we made
[13:10] <lidaobing> amachu1, hanzhupeng@ubuntu.com (irc name: freeflying), but not here
[13:10] <lidaobing> ArneGoetje is also sounds AFK
[13:11] <lidaobing> s/ hanzhupeng@ubuntu.com/houzhengpeng@ubuntu.com/
[13:11] <elky_> we still have people in the list, should we continue?
[13:11] <amachu1> elky_: yes
[13:11] <persia> Let's do that, so we have a short list next time.
[13:11] <TheMuso> agreed
[13:12] <amachu1> whats that we say collectively to lidaobing?
[13:12] <persia> To go apply to MOTU Council
[13:12] <elky_> amachu1, i think we all agreed he should go through motu
[13:12] <amachu1> follow the MOTU way & best wishes
[13:12] <lidaobing> thanks
[13:13] <persia> Note that I'm not opposed to granting someone active in development membership here, if they are also active in other ways, have supporters, etc.
[13:13] <amachu1> i hope he can still come here with more updates at wiki and testimonials
[13:13] <amachu1> persia: me too
[13:13] <elky_> persia, nor i, but i feel they'd get more from going the other way
[13:13] <TheMuso> VK7HSE: are you still around?
[13:13] <VK7HSE> Hi my name is Scott I'm 33 I live in a small township of Kingston, south of Hobart Tasmania. My current involvement for ubuntu is as a package builder for the application called Me TV. I'm keen beta tester and at this point I've focused on jaunty UNR. I'm also active on most IRC's for AU and attempt where possible to steer people in the right direction etc... as I don't work a full-time job due to my recent battle with 
[13:13] <persia> elky, In this case, I very much agree with you.  In other cases, I'm more borderline.
[13:13] <elky_> um... we've skipped?
[13:14] <amachu1> BUGabundo is in between
[13:14] <TheMuso> and is not here
[13:14] <persia> And away.
[13:14] <lidaobing> amachu1, MOTU council's meeting is after midnight
[13:14] <persia> lidaobing, We can accomodate: /query me.
[13:14] <amachu1> lidaobing: you have something to say?
[13:14] <TheMuso> sorry guys, but I'd like to try and get things moving, so I'm checking in advance whether people are present..
[13:14] <lidaobing> amachu1, just a little complain on the time
[13:14] <elky_> TheMuso, ah thanks
[13:14] <TheMuso> and if not, just skipping them
[13:14] <lidaobing> amachu1, just ignore this, keep going on
[13:15] <amachu1> ok
[13:15] <VK7HSE> So who's up?
[13:15] <persia> VK7HSE, You.
[13:15] <amachu1> lidaobing: remember, if you wish you can still apply here, ensure few more testimonials at wiki or people here supporting
[13:15] <VK7HSE> Hi my name is Scott I'm 33 I live in a small township of Kingston, south of Hobart Tasmania. My current involvement for ubuntu is as a package builder for the application called Me TV. I'm keen beta tester and at this point I've focused on jaunty UNR. I'm also active on most IRC's for AU and attempt where possible to steer people in the right direction etc... as I don't work a full-time job due to my recent battle with 
[13:15] <lidaobing> amachu1, thanks
[13:15] <elky_> VK7HSE, your line got cut off at 'battle'
[13:16] <VK7HSE> as I don't work a full-time job due to my recent battle with cancer, so I have time that I can dedicate...  I too have come to realise that my application is possibly premature...
[13:16] <TheMuso> VK7HSE: Nice to see a fellow aussie. :)
[13:16] <VK7HSE> and a lonely Tasmanian at that!
[13:16] <elky_> yeah. aussie aussie aussie!
[13:17] <elky_> you're not as lonely down there as you think
[13:17] <amachu1> :-)
[13:18] <amachu1> VK7HSE: so you give up this time for the wiki has little in it?
[13:18] <VK7HSE> I have also just been asked yesterday to give a talk at the taslug meeting (date to set) to give a talk on Me TV ...
[13:19] <VK7HSE> I realise this and as I mentioned I now feeling that my application may be a little ptremature...
[13:19] <VK7HSE> *premature
[13:19] <elky_> VK7HSE, i'm going to be mean and vote a -1 to you now, but, you have potential and i'd like to see you grow that a bit more and come back here in a few months time :)
[13:19] <TheMuso> VK7HSE: Its great that you have decided to get involved.
[13:20] <amachu1> VK7HSE: Thanks. Keep up the work you have initiated
[13:20] <persia> VK7HSE, I'm also -1 for now: come back in a few months once you've gotten a bit more on your page.
[13:20] <TheMuso> but I agree with elky_, and while I don't mean to be mean, its -1 from me also.
[13:20] <elky_> TheMuso, cruel to be kind ;)
[13:20] <TheMuso> elky_: :)
[13:20] <amachu1> raywang?
[13:20] <VK7HSE> this is fine it's for me all about learning!...
[13:21] <elky_> TheMuso, maybe we should get the pied piper of motuland to play a tune in his direction some time too
[13:21] <amachu1> bizkut: are you there?
[13:21] <bizkut> yes amachu1 I am here
[13:21] <TheMuso> elky_: thats a distinct possibility, yes.
[13:21] <bizkut> Can I start now?
[13:21] <TheMuso> bizkut: please do
[13:21] <amachu1> bizkut: go ahead
[13:21] <bizkut> My name is Hasanuddin Abu Bakar, I am from Malaysia Ubuntu LoCo Team. I am currently customizing linux for NAS system, especially on NSLU2 for simple server usage and storage.
[13:22] <bizkut> We are here in Malaysia very interested on NAS for running various services and we have very slow internet connection and big downloads can't be finished in 1 day. So, people start looking for devices that can reduce power usage so they don't need to switching ON their PC all day long for downloading files from the Internet.
[13:22] <bizkut> I just created Ubuntu NSLU2 users group on lauchpad and Rod Whitby, rwhitby like to see Ubuntu on NSLU2 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nslu2-users
[13:22] <bizkut> I also optimizing Linux kernel for Acer Aspire One netbook. I packaged the custom kernel with Intel optimization as I contribute here at Malaysia LoCo forum in Malay language http://forums.ubuntu.com.my/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=621&p=4536#p4536
[13:23] <bizkut> I have do a lot of talks at my university about in matter of softwares and technical about FOSS and Ubuntu attended by students and staffs.
[13:23] <TheMuso> bizkut: great to hear. Have you considered working with the Ubuntu kernel team to get some of your optimizations/arm work included in official kernel images?
[13:23] <bizkut> TheMuso, I am currently customize it for user used, I mean for specific using
[13:24] <TheMuso> bizkut: Right, but that doesn't mean the changes you make are not appropriate to be included in the Ubuntu kernel. I haven't seen the changes myself, so I am only assuming/guessing here.
[13:25] <elky_> bizkut, what TheMuso is asking is how this is contributing to the rest of the community? are you sharing your work with ubuntu teams like the kernel team?
[13:25] <bizkut> elky_, currently, I am not sharing with kernel team
[13:26] <maco> i'm sure the kernel team could use another hand :)
[13:26] <bizkut> elky_, I only share with community, as their need for the service, because the formal release can't suit their need
[13:26] <elky_> bizkut, ok, well, i'd really like for you to share with them
[13:26] <bizkut> i am more than honored to share my work with the kernel developers
[13:27] <elky_> bizkut, on a community side of things, what do you do with malaysia loco? just moderate forums?
[13:27] <bizkut> I provide support and tutorial to public for installing linux system on their NAS
[13:27] <bizkut> I will be at MSC-OSCON 2009 in Kuala Lumpur presenting Ubuntu ARM on NSLU2
[13:28] <bizkut> elky_, i also work with or help friends, co-workers and family.... the kind of help that is hard to documented on paper
[13:29] <elky_> bizkut, you're doing really good things, but i'm going to vote a 0 because i'd like to see you help the kernel team.
[13:30] <bizkut> ok elky_ thanks
[13:30] <amachu1> bizkut: are there people here supporting you
[13:30]  * BuffaloSoldier fanclub of bizkut 
[13:30] <amachu1> i saw words of support long time before..
[13:30]  * KatieKitty support bizkut
[13:30] <persia> bizkut, Can you share more about some of the work you're doing with the Forums, wiki, and events?
[13:30]  * GunbladeIV is behind bizkut for membership
[13:30] <BuDin> +1
[13:31]  * SuMarDi likes bizkut works... +1 
[13:31] <bizkut> persia, I did a lot of tutorial in forum
[13:31] <bizkut> http://forums.ubuntu.com.my/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=621&p=4536
[13:31] <GunbladeIV> +1 for bizkut  - he is actively helpful in forums and IRC
[13:31] <elky_> bizkut, sadly the .my server is still down
[13:31] <bizkut> and also tutorial how to make Ubuntu packages in Malay
[13:32] <amachu1> bizkut:  1. Moderating and inviting Malay speakers for using Malaysia Team's wiki and forums
[13:32] <amachu1>  2. Moderate Forums for Ubuntu Malaysia team
[13:32] <amachu1>  3. Participate Ubuntu Malaysia Events
[13:32] <amachu1>  4. Spread Ubuntu knowledge amongs Malaysian Ubuntu users
[13:32] <amachu1>  5. Answering question on IRC, Forums and mailing list.
[13:32] <bizkut> elky_, you can try to refresh a few times :D
[13:32] <amachu1> all these in wiki are generic
[13:32] <persia> I'm going to vote +0 now: the wiki docs are generic, and the sites to investigate are (unfortunately) down.
[13:32] <elky_> bizkut, not working for me at all
[13:32] <BuffaloSoldier> ubuntu.com.my site is really flaky right now... hopefully you guys/gals won't mind hitting refresh a few times
[13:33] <elky_> BuffaloSoldier, i just hit refresh heaps, but if we all do it, it's only going to cry more
[13:33] <persia> I'd like to see more development collaboration with the kernel team and the arm folk, but it's really the inability to check anything that blocks my vote.
[13:33] <bizkut> I hope membership doesn't rely on flaky server
[13:33] <TheMuso> persia, agreed. +0 as well
[13:33] <amachu1> bizkut: you say you participate in events, but no link
[13:34] <bizkut> amachu1, ther is link on my wiki page
[13:34] <bizkut> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MalaysianTeam/Activities
[13:34] <elky_> BuffaloSoldier, who is the admin of the .my server?
[13:34] <bizkut> amachu1, I attend every Malaysia LoCo Team events
[13:34] <persia> bizkut, To make membership not depends on the flaky server, you will want to document your work more clearly without the server.
[13:34] <e-jat> http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:RUJRjq55JDAJ:forums.ubuntu.com.my/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D5658+site:http://forums.ubuntu.com.my/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D10%26t%3D621%26p%3D4536&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari
[13:35] <elky_> hurray for google cache
[13:35] <amachu1> bizkut: yes. again its of the team, and would certainly like to see your role mentioned in those events
[13:35] <amachu1> +0 from me too for bizkut
[13:35] <BuffaloSoldier> elky: it's GunbladeIV
[13:36] <GunbladeIV> elky, it's me maintaining the .my server atm
[13:36] <e-jat> and me too ..
[13:36] <GunbladeIV> elky, i still working on solving this issue.
[13:36] <amachu1> bizkut: its just a matter of updating the wiki which I feel is generic at this time
[13:37] <bizkut> amachu1, there is me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MalaysianTeam/Activities/2008/MeetUp_July
[13:38] <amachu1> bizkut: fine
[13:38] <bizkut> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumardi/sets/72157606139345009/
[13:38] <amachu1> I suggest you update them in wiki, and turn out next time
[13:39] <bizkut> ok amachu1 it's cool
[13:39] <amachu1> persia: TheMuso: elky: any comments?
[13:39] <TheMuso> amachu1: no
[13:39] <elky_> fix up the wiki, and start collaborating with the kernel team, and i'll be much happier next time
[13:39] <amachu1> any one in the list who were not present at the time of calling, but present right now?
[13:40] <bizkut> noted. thanks for the advice. i will make better presentation next time
[13:40] <amachu1> fine..
[13:40] <persia> bizkut, Good luck, and hope to see you again soon.
[13:40] <bizkut> persia, ok thanks
[13:41] <amachu1> elky, TheMuso, persia: anything else to be taken up?
[13:41] <TheMuso> not from me.
[13:41] <persia> I think anything else can safely be relegated to the mailing list: it's late.
[13:41] <TheMuso> only its great we got a quorum.
[13:41] <BuffaloSoldier> on behalf of the rest of ubuntu-my community... i would like to thank the board for your time, consideration and advice
[13:41] <persia> Next meeting is on the 28th?
[13:41] <GunbladeIV> thanks TheMuso , amachu1 , persia , and elky
[13:41] <maco> TheMuso: you dont usually get a qorum?
[13:41]  * e-jat too
[13:41] <amachu1> persia: yes
[13:42] <e-jat> is next meeting on 28th  ?
[13:42] <persia> maco, We've done badly the last several meetings, but we've a new plan, which is working (so far).
[13:42] <elky> my pillow wants to be hugged
[13:42] <TheMuso> elky: Sounds like a plan.
[13:43] <amachu1> fine.. if thats all.. let us wind up now..
[13:43] <elky_> indeed.
[13:43] <amachu1> congrats for all those who made it and best wishes for the rest in future
[13:43] <elky_> g'nite all!
[13:43] <bizkut> goodnite all
[13:43] <bizkut> :)
[13:43] <e-jat> nite all ..
[13:43] <KatieKitty> nite
[13:44] <amachu1> time to have some fun here
[13:44] <amachu1> :-)
[13:44] <amachu1> bye bye..
[13:44] <e-jat> bye amachu1
[13:44] <BuffaloSoldier> bye everyone
[13:44] <TheMuso> night all
[13:54]  * BUGabundo_mibbit is back and read the backlog....
[13:54] <BUGabundo_mibbit> just a bit too late
[13:55] <BUGabundo1> hor
[15:56] <zul> heylo
[15:57] <sommer> o//
[15:59] <kirkland> o/
[15:59] <bizkut> \\o
[15:59] <ivoks> o-_
[15:59]  * mathiaz waves
[15:59] <kirkland> ivoks: mecca is that way ->
[16:00] <ivoks> kirkland: that's 'walk like egyptian' :)
[16:00] <ivoks> or robot :D
[16:00] <kirkland> :-)
[16:00] <nijaba> o/
[16:01] <mathiaz> all right - let's get started
[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <mathiaz> welcome to yet another amazing Ubuntu Server team meeting
[16:02] <mathiaz> All the exciting stuff we'll talk about today can be found online at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:03] <zul> isnt walk like egyptian by the banshees
[16:03] <zul> bangles i mean
[16:03] <mathiaz> last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090407
[16:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Documentation
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Documentation
[16:04] <mathiaz> sommer: anything to report wrt to jaunty?
[16:05] <sommer> mathiaz: don't think there's anything new... everything should be good to go
[16:05] <mathiaz> great.
[16:05] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Release critical bugs
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release critical bugs
[16:05] <mathiaz> As you may know we're in final freeze now
[16:06] <mathiaz> any release critical bugs we should know about?
[16:06] <mathiaz> kirkland: I've run into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/360832
[16:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm
[16:07] <mathiaz> kirkland: so I'd like to know if you could reproduce it
[16:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'll download the iso and test it now
[16:07] <mathiaz> kirkland: if so we'd have to decide how important this is
[16:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: I ran into this issue with a libvirt+kvm setup
[16:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: is the description of the bug clear enough?
[16:10] <mathiaz> any other release critical bug to be aware of?
[16:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: I've also ran into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/360825
[16:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: but that doesn't seem critical
[16:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: soren already commented on it.
[16:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: however I'd like to confirm it on a jaunty host (it should be the same)
[16:13] <soren> it is
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm testing now
[16:13] <mathiaz> soren: ok - the kvm command line is generated by libvirt
[16:14] <mathiaz> soren: anyway - your comment is clear about the issue.
[16:14] <mathiaz> anything else to report wrt to release critical bugs?
[16:17] <mathiaz> all right - no release critical bugs from the server team then.
[16:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: is that grub one RC?
[16:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm stopping what i'm doing right now to take a look at it
[16:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: if it's not RC, then i'm going to work on it when i get a chance
[16:18] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - that's what we should discuss.
[16:18] <mathiaz> kirkland: first I'd like to get it confirmed by someone else
[16:18] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, i'll proceed testing
[16:19] <mathiaz> kirkland: if you can confirm it, we should discuss how important it is.
[16:19] <mathiaz> kirkland: you can ping later about it
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay
[16:21] <mathiaz> anyother release critical bug te be aware of?
[16:22] <ivoks> i'm not aware of any
[16:22] <mathiaz> allright - let's move on then.
[16:22] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] ISO testing
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  ISO testing
[16:22] <mathiaz> so we're getting ready for 9.04 RC scheduled for this Thursday
[16:23] <mathiaz> ubuntu-server isos are posted on the iso testing tracker
[16:23] <mathiaz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:23] <mathiaz> there are 15 test cases for each isos
[16:23] <mathiaz> each testcase has a detailed description of what needs to be done
[16:24] <mathiaz> any help in this area is welcome.
[16:24] <mathiaz> and of cource we'll start all over next week for the final release of 9.04
[16:25] <ivoks> i have to ask one more time :/
[16:25] <ivoks> there's no chance in getting dovecot-postfix into mail stack?
[16:25] <mathiaz> ivoks: I think it's too late now.
[16:26] <ivoks> ok
[16:26] <mathiaz> ivoks: IMO we made a first good step this release cycle
[16:26] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Would you please have a look at Bug #360689.  If I messed up the default config for amavisd, I want to get it fixed post-RC.
[16:26] <mathiaz> ivoks: it's already in main
[16:26] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: i will look at it
[16:27] <ivoks> mathiaz: ok
[16:27] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: ah, i see...
[16:27] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: i would mark this as 'won't fix'
[16:27] <mathiaz> ivoks: we'll discuss things further during next UDS
[16:28] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: that's RFC behaviour; undelivered mail should be bounced
[16:28] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: when undelivered cause of attachments or wrong header
[16:33] <mathiaz> so help in iso testing is welcomed.
[16:33] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:33] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ideas for Karmic
[16:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ideas for Karmic
[16:34] <mathiaz> Even thought we're *all* focusing on the Jaunty release schedule for next week, ideas for the next release cycle may cross your mind once in a while
[16:34] <mathiaz> if so, head to the IdeaPool wiki page and add them
[16:34] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool
[16:36] <mie> woi
[16:36] <mie> menatee mano sero biso pado hase?
[16:36] <mie> menatee mano sero biso pado hase?
[16:38] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:38] <mathiaz> anything else to add?
[16:38] <mathiaz> BTW if you've just come accross a release critical bug, let us know! ;)
[16:39] <ScottK-laptop> I did want to mention that we got clamav updated to 0.95.1 and all the rdepends fixed.
[16:40] <ScottK-laptop> Special thanks to cemc (not here now) and nxvl for their help.
[16:41] <naley> hai all
[16:41] <naley> aku nk join meeting leh x
[16:41] <naley> aku pakai kerabuntu
[16:42] <naley> mana persia
[16:42] <naley> nga amachu
[16:42] <bizkut> naley, what is kerabuntu?
[16:42] <naley> asl pls persia
[16:42] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: awesome - is that part of jaunty?
[16:42] <naley> Amachu
[16:42] <naley> elky,
[16:43] <naley> themuso
[16:43] <ivoks> !ops
[16:43]  * naley give -0 to elky  themuso persia 
[16:43]  * naley give -0 to elky  themuso persia 
[16:43] <mathiaz> naley: are you here for the Asia/Pacific board?
[16:43] <naley> nope
[16:43] <naley> for europe
[16:44] <mdz> ivoks: what's the trouble?
[16:44] <mathiaz> naley: well - this is the Ubuntu Server Team meeting.
[16:44] <mathiaz> naley: I don't know when the European board will have their meetings
[16:44] <ivoks> mdz: mathiaz is trying the polite approach with naley
[16:45] <naley> ok
[16:45] <naley> im from uganda
[16:45] <naley> stay at europe
[16:45] <naley> ok i just waste my time here
[16:45] <naley> see what u all meeting
[16:46] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: Yes.  In Jaunty
[16:46] <mdz> naley: please be quiet during the meeting.  if you want something else, please go to #ubuntu and ask there
[16:47] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: We got the relevant security fixes into intrepid-security, hardy-backports, and dapper-backports too.
[16:47] <naley> ok
[16:47] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: great.
[16:47] <mathiaz> Anything else to add to this open discussion topic?
[16:48] <naley> ScottK,  : i want ask u about software wireshark
[16:48] <naley> did u know anything about it
[16:48] <mathiaz> naley: you should probably ask this question somewhere else
[16:48] <mathiaz> naley: like in #ubuntu
[16:48] <naley> where?
[16:48] <naley> can u tell me
[16:48] <ivoks> naley: please, use another channel, this one is for meetings
[16:48] <mathiaz> naley: in #ubuntu
[16:48] <naley> ok
[16:48] <naley> tq
[16:49] <mathiaz> all right - if nothing else is to be added let's move on.
[16:49] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:49] <mathiaz> same place, same time, next week?
[16:50] <sommer> sure
[16:53] <mathiaz> all right then.
[16:53] <mathiaz> see you all next week, same time, same place.
[16:53] <mathiaz> and don't forget to test ubuntu-server isos for Jaunty RC.
[16:53] <mathiaz> happy testing!
[16:54] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:54] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:54.
[16:54] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later all
[17:04] <manjo> bryce, do you have a xserver ppa for that bug ?
[17:05] <bryce> manjo: which bug?
[17:06] <manjo> java+xserver crash
[17:11] <bryce> manjo, there was one, but it got superseded by one in the same package for a different bug.  Assumed you'd already installed it when I suggested you do so.
[18:01] <pgraner> Hello everyone time for the Ubutnu Kernel Team Meeting
[18:01]  * apw arrives
[18:01] <pgraner> Roll Call:
[18:01]  * lieb sits up straight
[18:01]  * sconklin is here
[18:01] <bradf> YO!
[18:01]  * rtg is here
[18:02] <cooloney> hello, bryan is here
[18:02]  * smb_tp arrives
[18:03] <pgraner> rtg: you here?
[18:03] <apw> i saw him say here
[18:03] <cooloney> me 2
[18:03] <rtg> pgraner: the part about 'rtg is here' was unclear?
[18:03]  * ikepanhc1 waves
[18:04] <pgraner> rtg: sorry missed it
[18:04] <pgraner> Ok lets get started
[18:04] <pgraner> #startmeeting
[18:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:04. The chair is pgraner.
[18:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:04] <pgraner> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:05] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Open Items
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Items
[18:05] <pgraner> * awe to inform kernel-team when LPIA kernel testing is complete
[18:05] <pgraner> sconklin: You have any info
[18:06] <sconklin> testing is taking place on different platforms as needed for deliveries
[18:06] <pgraner> sconklin: any idea when it will be 100%
[18:06] <sconklin> no, and no specific commitment from Lexington QA
[18:07] <pgraner> awe: any comment on the LPIA testing
[18:07] <awe> pgraner: i'm trying to get an ETA from cgregan
[18:07] <pgraner> awe: cool, can you post to kernel-team when you find out?
[18:07] <awe> we've tested a couple platforms, but the plan was for QA to do the bulk
[18:07] <awe> pgraner: yes
[18:08] <pgraner> [ACTION] awe to report to kernel-team list with LPIA testing status
[18:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  awe to report to kernel-team list with LPIA testing status
[18:08] <pgraner> * manjo to ping Arjan on kerneloops submission testing
[18:08] <pgraner> manjo_: How we doing on that?
[18:09] <manjo_> I pinged him and got some feed back modified the crasher to use the new function he suggested
[18:09] <manjo_> the functiuon is
[18:09] <manjo_> kerneloops_regresstion_testin()
[18:09] <manjo_> and that will get filtered out
[18:09] <manjo_> I tested the kernel oops and posted screen shots on my people page
[18:09] <apw> manjo_, is he happy with the version format we are sending him?  i haven't yet seen the ubuntu kernels pulled out
[18:10] <manjo_> I can ask
[18:10] <manjo_> he responded quickly to my questions so I think I cna find out
[18:10] <manjo_> ca
[18:10] <manjo_> can
[18:11] <pgraner> * apw to talk to pitti about tags in apport
[18:11] <pgraner> apw: I thought you had done that?
[18:11] <apw> we had a chat on that, and decided on a mod on the tags
[18:11] <apw> i believe thats already done and may have released too
[18:11] <pgraner> apw: nice
[18:12] <pgraner> * pgraner to assign usbserial bug to rtg
[18:12] <pgraner> And that one is done as well
[18:12] <rtg> pgraner: its in the SRU queue
[18:12] <pgraner> rtg: ack
[18:12]  * smb_tp moans slightly
[18:13] <pgraner> So the outstanding items look to be all complete
[18:13] <pgraner> #
[18:13] <pgraner> ogasawara to issue CFT around ext4 data loss patches
[18:13] <pgraner> #
[18:13] <pgraner> sconklin bring up archiving of Hardy/Intrepid OEM LPIA trees after the sprint
[18:13] <pgraner> #
[18:13] <pgraner> sconklin coordinate testing by the OEM team for Hardy and Jaunty lpia
[18:13] <pgraner> #
[18:13] <pgraner> apw, ogasawara and smb discuss regression lists at the sprint
[18:13] <sconklin> not really complete
[18:13] <smb_tp> apw, Did we?
[18:13] <apw> i think the lpia work may have pushed our ogasawara chat out smb_tp
[18:14] <pgraner> sconklin: what do you need to complete?
[18:14] <sconklin> we can't archive the old repos until everything is off of them, we're working on that but no definite schedule
[18:14]  * smb_tp nods
[18:14] <pgraner> sconklin: ok I'll drop off the agenda can you keep everyone posted on the weekly meeting as you have something of interest to report?
[18:14] <sconklin> and I'm still coordinating testing of hardy and jaunty lpia, so that's ok, though no jaunty testing has happened that I'm aware of
[18:14] <sconklin> yes, please drop it.
[18:15] <awe> sconklin: we have been doing some jaunty unr testing recently...
[18:15] <pgraner> [ACTION] pgraner to drop LPIA tree archiving from agenda, sconklin to report as significant items surface
[18:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pgraner to drop LPIA tree archiving from agenda, sconklin to report as significant items surface
[18:15] <sconklin> awe: great, thanks!
[18:16] <awe> sconklin: dell mini works great.  hp mini not so great
[18:16] <pgraner> [ACTION] ogasawara smb_tp apw to discuss regression lists
[18:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogasawara smb_tp apw to discuss regression lists
[18:17] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Jaunty Status
[18:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jaunty Status
[18:17] <apw> ack
[18:17] <smb_tp> ack, remind us next week
[18:17] <pgraner> rtg: can you give us a status of whats lacking, in the queue, etc...?
[18:18] <rtg> pgraner: AKAIK everything looks good. ext4 has a couple of minor issues, but we'll SRU them.
[18:18] <rtg> AFAIK even
[18:18] <rtg> I've heard no hollering from the release team
[18:18] <pgraner> rtg, apw: any update on the Intel graphics lockup issues?
[18:19] <rtg> pgraner: its gonna be an SRU when upstream findas a fix.
[18:19] <apw> from my side, i've just seen one myself, which was definatly a hard lock in fri
[18:19] <apw> dri
[18:19] <pgraner> I saw a troubleshooting email from bryce
[18:19] <rtg> Bryce is working with them on it
[18:19] <bryce> heya
[18:19] <apw> we seem to have above average lockups with i915 based systems right now
[18:20] <bryce> re: freeze issue, we're kind of stuck on it, but I think I narrowed it to a regression in mesa
[18:20] <rtg> bryce: it has to do with tiling, right?
[18:20] <apw> wondered if you have any suggestions at this juncture
[18:20] <bryce> well, there are several different freezes, one of which is with tiling
[18:20] <pgraner> apw: mine did it again today during a virt desktop switch
[18:20] <apw> pgraner, arrrg
[18:20] <bryce> the mesa one is the "main" one people are running into right now, and only affects i965 it seems
[18:20] <apw> mine was different to yours, just a plain hang, but ssh was ok
[18:21] <pgraner> apw: mine was wedged hard, took a powercycle to get it back
[18:21] <rtg> mem corruption could exhibit a variety of symptoms
[18:21] <pgraner> apw: had an uptime of a few days
[18:21] <bryce> but I have some news on solving freeze issues in general
[18:21] <apw> hung in dri_vm_<something>
[18:21] <bryce> upstream Intel has been working on a kernel patch + utils for getting better debug info out of freezes
[18:22] <pgraner> bryce: sounds hopeful
[18:22] <apw> bryce, as we appear to be able to tell when its hung at times, any chance we can reset it somehow?
[18:22] <bryce> I've documented what I know at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[18:22] <bryce> apw: that I don't know
[18:22] <manjo_> bryce, java+xserver crash ?
[18:22] <pgraner> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[18:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[18:23] <bryce> but I think for karmic, between the X and kernel teams, we may be able to do a hunting season on freeze bugs and close a bunch
[18:23] <pgraner> manjo_: Intel has a fix, they will be sending it to kernel-team for a SRU inclusion
[18:23] <pgraner> bryce: you want to do a hw workshop at UDS with that purpose?
[18:24] <bryce> manjo_: I posted a patch for that to my ppa a while ago but guess you didn't download it in time; a patch for another bug seems to have superseded it
[18:24] <bryce> pgraner: that'd be great
[18:24] <pgraner> [ACTION] pgraner to schedule a UDS session for X lockup bug squashing
[18:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pgraner to schedule a UDS session for X lockup bug squashing
[18:24] <bryce> pgraner: the kernel patch is against the current mainline kernel, and dunno how easy it would be to backport
[18:25] <pgraner> bryce: I told yingying that they would need to backport and she said ok, so I expect to see it resurface as a SRU
[18:25] <bryce> pgraner: but I'm thinking at the point we can get a patched kernel in a ppa or something, I could start engaging freeze reporters to collect the data and work with upstream to sort them out
[18:25] <bryce> excellent
[18:25] <sconklin> There's also a hard lockup X bug that we're chasing in litl, based on hardy
[18:26] <sconklin> could be poulsbo related, but that's speculation
[18:26] <apw> bryce, there are two or three patches in i915 which seem to relate to taking locks in the wrong order which can trigger if there is a page fault, any feel for if they are a possible cause?
[18:27] <bryce> apw: well that certainly sounds suspicious
[18:27] <pgraner> Ok we'll move on
[18:27] <bryce> ok thanks
[18:28] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Suspend/Resume
[18:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Suspend/Resume
[18:28] <apw> bryce, i'll get with you offline, and see if the things that its talking about are frequently used or not
[18:28] <bryce> okies
[18:28] <ogasawara> pgraner: we're getting flooded with new bugs
[18:28] <pgraner> apw: any progress?
[18:28] <pgraner> ogasawara: any pattern or just random crap hardware?
[18:28] <ogasawara> I did a quick lp querry - http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/tmp/suspend-bugs-since-beta.txt
[18:28] <apw> we are being drowned.  i think we have one new bug type and we may well get to the bottom of that
[18:29] <ogasawara> pgraner: no pattern that I can discern, although quite a few nvidia pieces of hw
[18:29] <apw> i also think i see apport will be off at release, so we shouldn't dissappear without a trace at least
[18:29] <pgraner> [LINK] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/tmp/suspend-bugs-since-beta.txt
[18:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/tmp/suspend-bugs-since-beta.txt
[18:30] <pgraner> ogasawara: that is quite high
[18:30] <apw> i think we can say we learned that suspend/resume is more of an issue than we thought
[18:30] <apw> and that its widly dispersed over the factors we have analysed so far
[18:30] <pgraner> apw: so 60+ random notebooks is not a good sample
[18:30] <manjo_> were we able to filter bugs based on HW ? iirc ogasawara was trying something like that ...
[18:31] <pgraner> ogasawara: hw db helpful at all?
[18:31] <apw> we did it on basic model and its was all over the map, but otherwise we have not yet been able to get the info in a searchable form (to my knowledge)
[18:31] <ogasawara> manjo_: I was able to dup a few based on vendor and product id, but not extremely helpful to reduce the total number
[18:32] <pgraner> apw, ogasawara: so we are not seeing one or two specific problematic pieces of hw? Its just that random?
[18:32] <ogasawara> pgraner: hw db is still not where we need it.  right now it requires we give it a list of bugs first and then analyzes the hw profiles.
[18:32] <sconklin> apw: didn't we speculate that a high number were from X hangs?
[18:32] <manjo_> I triaged a few and some of them reported that it did not work once or twice ... but otherwise worked ok
[18:32] <apw> sconklin, the bugs which triggered that were fixed as far as i know
[18:33] <pgraner> manjo_: do you  have some cycles to deep dive and see if you can find some patterns on this?
[18:33] <apw> at least in general support, even if we ignore all proprietry drivers
[18:33] <apw> we are still all over the map
[18:33] <manjo_> pgraner, yeah I can look at them
[18:33] <sconklin> apw: but do we have any way of identifying the lingering bugs that may have resulted?
[18:33] <pgraner> manjo_: great thanks
[18:33] <apw> sconklin, not 100% sure we do electronically at least
[18:34] <apw> we might be able to add something to the testing to figure it out, though i would expect those not to trigger apport
[18:34] <pgraner> [ACTION] manjo to deep dive on suspend/resume bugs to find patterns
[18:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  manjo to deep dive on suspend/resume bugs to find patterns
[18:34] <bradf> i've been working on some python code to get to the raw hw-db info
[18:35] <ogasawara> bradf: any progress?
[18:35] <bradf> make it a little more usefull,
[18:35] <bradf> yes, made some progress last night
[18:35] <bradf> still a ways to go
[18:36] <manjo_> bradf, each and every bug has a different model/make of laptop
[18:36] <bradf> manjo_: yes, but it would be nice to see if there are common drivers/hw
[18:36] <manjo_> so I guess the exercise is to figure out what component fails most often
[18:36] <pgraner> manjo_: looking for issues in common hw/drivers would be helpful, and I was hoping the hw db could do that, but not quite yet
[18:36] <apw> bradf, that would rock if we could tell something like that
[18:37] <bradf> apw, that's my goal
[18:37] <pgraner> Ok we'll move on and take this offline
[18:37] <manjo_> yep I like that idea instead of looking for product IDs
[18:37] <pgraner> [TOPIC] ARM
[18:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM
[18:37] <pgraner> bradf, amitk: How are we looking?
[18:38] <bradf> pgraner, I don't know of any issues
[18:38] <amitk> Nothing radically new going on there. I am busy splitting up the mx51 patches for upstream
[18:38] <amitk> and working on the ppoll patch for upstream + SRU
[18:39] <pgraner> amitk: great...
[18:40] <pgraner> sconklin: I'll skip LPIA today to cover jaunty bug status good with you?
[18:40] <sconklin> ok
[18:40] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Bug Status
[18:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Status
[18:40] <ogasawara> no show stoppers I'm seeing so far
[18:41] <pgraner> ogasawara: how do think Tues. bug day for the kernel team is working?
[18:41] <pgraner> ogasawara: I've had positive feedback from Canonical folks so far, nothing from the community tho
[18:41] <ogasawara> pgraner: seems to be going well from a random sampling of the list of bugs
[18:41] <pgraner> Kernel Team... Thoughts. Working well for you guys?
[18:41] <ogasawara> pgraner: I think for the next I should add a section for community participation
[18:42] <apw> pgraner, for myself its just a random addition of 20 bugs to my buglist, it means those random bugs get looked at
[18:42] <smb_tp> Not found too many simple ones on my list, though
[18:42] <apw> but that means that 20 bugs off our priority list don't.  its cirtainly a trade off
[18:43] <lieb> I'm surprised some of them haven't composted by now ;)
[18:43] <bradf> i'm wondering, given the discussion in rtg's email if this is wasted effort right now and makes more sense during development
[18:43] <apw> yeah i was hoping more would be 'already fixed' but its a low percentage
[18:43] <cooloney> i agree with apw
[18:43] <apw> bradf, though now is when we have less pressure probabally and so more time
[18:43] <bradf> apw: understood
[18:44]  * rtg finds it a refreshing break from the drudgery of having to think weighty thoughts all day.
[18:44] <pgraner> apw: really, I would have thought that upstream goodness would have taken care of quite a few
[18:44] <apw> pgraner, not particually objecting to the format tho.
[18:44] <cooloney> i can just asked them to try jaunty kernel and report the result
[18:44] <cooloney> for some bugs
[18:44] <apw> pgraner, that was my hope too, but i am finding a fiar number that need work and are still valid
[18:44] <apw> i think community help in the future is a good plan
[18:44] <pgraner> apw: do we have upstream bugs on the same issues?
[18:45] <apw> not always upstream bugs no, as they seem to be likely 'our fault'
[18:45] <apw> config issues, or backports for example, valid bugs in the main
[18:45] <pgraner> apw: yea I was hoping that wasn't the issue
[18:46] <apw> stiring the bucket is probabally a good plan overall, even if it smells bad
[18:46] <pgraner> Let keep going for a few weeks and see what we can come up with.
[18:46] <pgraner> ogasawara: can you arrange for a community bug day to collide with this on kernel bugs?
[18:46] <apw> it will be interesting to get a view on the same bug list in a week, to see how well it has happened
[18:47] <ogasawara> pgraner: yup, I'll do that for the next one
[18:47] <smb_tp> Right, would it be possible to get the list formatted like our other buglist?
[18:47] <pgraner> [ACTION] ogasawara to schedule community bug days to coincide with kernel-team bug days
[18:47] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogasawara to schedule community bug days to coincide with kernel-team bug days
[18:48] <ogasawara> apw: I'll try to get out a summary of the progress that was made
[18:48] <pgraner> Ok, lets keep going since we are almost done for this meeting... next up...
[18:48] <ogasawara> smb_tp: shouldn't be hard, I'll update it for next time
[18:48] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Select next meeting chair...
[18:48] <smb_tp> ogasawara, cool
[18:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Select next meeting chair...
[18:49] <pgraner> Who wants to raise their hand?
[18:49] <pgraner> or... who hasn't done it yet?
[18:49]  * pgraner looks at the new guys
[18:49] <bradf> pgraner, can do
[18:49] <apw> is this meeting during release week
[18:50] <pgraner> apw: we haven't set meeting date yet
[18:50] <pgraner> bradf: you have it
[18:50] <pgraner> [ACTION] bradf to chair next meeting
[18:50] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bradf to chair next meeting
[18:50] <bradf> pgraner, ACK
[18:50] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Next Meeting date
[18:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next Meeting date
[18:51] <pgraner> as apw pointed out the next one would fall on release week so lets pick it up the following week, on the 28th of April
[18:51] <pgraner> Same time and place
[18:51] <apw> ack
[18:51] <smb_tp> wfm
[18:51] <rtg> same bat channel
[18:51] <lieb> ack
[18:51] <manjo_> k
[18:51] <bradf> ack
[18:52] <ikepanhc1> ack
[18:52] <amitk> ack
[18:52] <pgraner> bradf: can you send out a cancellation email next week, and the reminder the Monday prior to the meeting
[18:52] <pgraner> bradf: and I'll have the agenda ready for you
[18:52] <bradf> pgraner, will do
[18:52] <pgraner> [ACTON] bradf to email cancellation & reminder emails
[18:53] <pgraner> [ACTION] pgraner to get agenda ready for next meeting
[18:53] <MootBot> ACTION received:  pgraner to get agenda ready for next meeting
[18:53] <pgraner> [ACTION] Next meeting Tue, 28 April 1700 UTC
[18:53] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Next meeting Tue, 28 April 1700 UTC
[18:53] <pgraner> Ok everyone, any issues, questions etc...?
[18:53] <pgraner> [TOPIC] Open Discussion/Questions
[18:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion/Questions
[18:54] <pgraner> Then I guess we will call this one done!
[18:54] <pgraner> Thanks everyone
[18:54] <manjo_> later
[18:54] <pgraner> #endmeeting
[18:54] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:54.
[18:58] <comm_a_nder> hi there
[18:58] <mcas> hi everyone
[19:01] <Riddell> hello
[19:01] <davmor2> hello
[19:01] <blizzz> hi
[19:01]  * Quintasan waves
[19:01]  * a|wen_ waves to everyone
[19:02] <Riddell> hmm, bit of a lack of council
[19:04] <Riddell> ooh there's one :)
[19:04] <Nightrose> sorry ;-)
[19:04] <Nightrose> irssi was acting up
[19:06] <Riddell> well I guess we should start with just the two of us, other council members can review the logs and vote offline
[19:06] <Riddell> did someone have to go first?  had a flight to catch?
[19:06] <comm_a_nder> me
[19:06] <Riddell> ok let's start with you comm_a_nder
[19:06]  * comm_a_nder is sitting at airport and hails to umts sticks
[19:06] <Riddell> who are you and what exciting stuff do you do for Kubuntu?
[19:06] <comm_a_nder> my name is robert frießleben
[19:07] <comm_a_nder> i am 35 years old, living in dresden germany, married, one kid
[19:07] <comm_a_nder> i am using kubuntu since hoary
[19:07]  * Nightrose wonders if she met comm_a_nder before
[19:07] <Nightrose> hi JontheEchidna
[19:07] <comm_a_nder> my jobs are: admin at kubuntu-de.org forums
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> hi
[19:08] <comm_a_nder> head admin of kubuntu-de.org server
[19:08] <Riddell> he has root!
[19:08] <comm_a_nder> and doing promototion for kubuntu at booths around saxony
[19:08] <comm_a_nder> so fare what i am doing
[19:08] <comm_a_nder> i got root! indeed :D
[19:08]  * Nightrose is afraid
[19:08] <Nightrose> :D
[19:09] <Nightrose> comm_a_nder: which events did you attend for kubuntu so far?
[19:10] <comm_a_nder> free times chemnitzer linux tage and two times linux info tag dresden
[19:10] <Nightrose> i see - nice
[19:10] <Nightrose> did you enjoy it?
[19:10] <Riddell> how is the kubuntu-de community doing?
[19:10] <comm_a_nder> yepp, if you would know what chemnitz does in catering for us ...
[19:11] <Nightrose> heh i heard about the catering... - i bet froscon is better though :D
[19:11] <comm_a_nder> at the moment we are in my mind in a phase of consolitation, lack of personal, lack of time but we are trying best on our way
[19:12] <Riddell> anyone else from kubuntu-de here and able to vouch for comm_a_nder?
[19:12] <blizzz> of course :)
[19:12] <blizzz> comm_a_nder is our server pope, gives excellent support in the forum and helps at booths, too. he is active for years in our community and is a comfortable and clever  guy.
[19:12] <Nightrose> ah right - tell us a little about the current status of kubuntu-de
[19:13] <mcas> i can only agree to blizzz
[19:13] <Riddell> comm_a_nder: have you tried jaunty?
[19:14] <comm_a_nder> jepp, on my netbook, works good for me (i dont need a good translation though - thats one of the "not-so-goods" at the moment
[19:14] <Nightrose> comm_a_nder: what are your plans for the future with regards to kubuntu and kubuntu-de?
[19:15] <comm_a_nder> at the moment my job takes most of my time (so i sit here on airpot waiting for my next flight)
[19:16] <comm_a_nder> but i will do spend more time on translation, and if i got the time for it begin to maintain some interesting packages (for my job e.g.)
[19:16] <comm_a_nder> additionally to my commitments i am doing at the moment (server and forum)
[19:16] <Riddell> comm_a_nder: we need more people to watch out for when our translations infrastructure breaks.  that seems to happen too often
[19:17] <Nightrose> can you tell us what that job is? or are you a spy and it is top-secret? :P
[19:17] <Riddell> well I'll give a solid +1 for running the kubuntu-de bits
[19:17] <comm_a_nder> no i am working at a consultancy, my job there is maintaining theire databeses -postgresql due to my advice :) and it-consulting at customers
[19:18] <Riddell> plus he's got root so who knows what'll happen if I don't :)
[19:18] <comm_a_nder> :D
[19:18] <Nightrose> haha
[19:18] <Nightrose> alright
[19:18] <Nightrose> I'll give a +1 as well - keep up the good work
[19:18] <Riddell> so waiting on one more vote, we'll poke some more council members when they appear
[19:18] <Nightrose> it'd be nice to get more updates from the german kubuntu team btw
[19:19] <Riddell> thanks for putting yourself up, have a nice flight
[19:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: want to go next?
[19:19] <comm_a_nder> thanks all
[19:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: okay
[19:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: tell us about your contributions to Kubuntu
[19:21] <Quintasan> Apart from the fixing bugs in KDE packages I'm doing many minor tasks like missing desktop entries. I'm also traslating kubuntu-docs (fresh member of ubuntu-l10n-pl)
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> yeah, the other day he added a .desktop file to starfighter
[19:23] <Riddell> and he gave me a perfect debdiff for semantik
[19:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: actually I note our semantik package is out of date if you're looking for something to get into packaging
[19:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: how long have you been contributing to Kubuntu?
[19:23] <Nightrose> Quintasan: can you tell us a little about yourself?
[19:24] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MichalZajac
[19:24] <Nightrose> ah thx :)
[19:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: hmm about 3 months (or more, depends when the last meeting was) :)
[19:25] <claydoh> howdy, I am late :)
[19:25] <Quintasan> claydoh: Hi :)
[19:26] <Nightrose> Quintasan: ohhhh you are packaging widgets... - are you planning on getting them into kubuntu? and do you have plans to package more of them?
[19:26] <Nightrose> hi claydoh
[19:26] <Quintasan> Nightrose: now I'm packaging them for fun but if they are going to be in a usable state then why not?
[19:27] <Riddell> Quintasan: what attracts you to Kubuntu over other distros or ubuntu variants?
[19:27] <Nightrose> :) great
[19:28] <Quintasan> well using Gentoo was fun but rebuilding system every week was no fun, I think the main reason is KDE4 and great community
[19:29] <nixternal> hola
[19:29] <Nightrose> heya nixternal
[19:29] <Quintasan> nixternal: hi :3
[19:30]  * Nightrose doesn't have any more questions for Quintasan 
[19:30] <Nightrose> anyone else?
[19:30] <Riddell> I'm going to give Quintasan a +1 for multiple handy and interesting contributions
[19:31]  * Nightrose seconds the +1 hoping she'll get some more widgets packaged ;-)
[19:31]  * nixternal gives +1 for comm_a_nder - Kubuntu DE! The one and only :)
[19:31] <Nightrose> *hint* *hint*
[19:31] <nixternal> +1 on Quintasan
[19:31] <Riddell> so Quintasan and comm_a_nder get membership
[19:31] <Riddell> awooga
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:32] <Quintasan> Thanks all :)
[19:32] <a|wen_> congratulations Quintasan and comm_a_nder !
[19:32] <Riddell> no kb9vqf today
[19:32] <Nightrose> welcome to the kubuntu team :)
[19:32] <claydoh> sweet! congrats Quintasan and comm_a_nder !
[19:32] <Riddell> mcas: fancy a grilling?
[19:32] <mcas> of course :-)
[19:32] <blizzz> congrts Quintasan
[19:32] <Riddell> mcas: tell us about your Kubuntu life
[19:33] <mcas> hi my name is marcus asshauer i am 28 years old and live in germany
[19:33] <mcas> i use kubuntu for 2 or 3 years now and came to kubuntu-de.org last year
[19:33] <mcas> so since last year i am member of ubuntu-bugcontrol and i try to mostly triage on kde/kubuntu bugs and upstream kde bugs
[19:34] <Riddell> mcas: is that rewarding or does it feel like a never ending thankless task?
[19:34] <Nightrose> do you triage specific applications?
[19:35] <mcas> actually i am working on the german translation of kubuntu-docs, together with tscheesy and denis as well as help from the german-l10n-de team (i am member of the team since a few days)
[19:35] <mcas> i triage no specific applications
[19:36] <mcas> i think it is a never ending story but i think some day anyone will say thank you ;-)
[19:36] <mcas> for kubuntu-de.org i'll do some differnt jobs like forum moderator, coordinating our "bug" team, doing some php/css hacks for our webteam, admin of our kubuntu-de.org server, doing editorial work and i am member of our community council since Jan. 09
[19:37] <seele> can someone give me the meeting agenda link?
[19:37]  * nixternal notes that Quintasan and mcas have been rocking doc translations and bug hunting...makes me happy :)
[19:37] <Riddell> mcas: what does the kubuntu-de community council do?
[19:37] <Nightrose> mcas: what is your impression of the current state of kubuntu-de?
[19:37] <Riddell> seele: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[19:37] <seele> Riddell: thanks
[19:37] <mcas> but back to the bugs... i think i have the craziest colors around
[19:39] <mcas> Riddell: we are coordinating the work of the different teams and trying to do the best for kubuntu-de and kubuntu
[19:40] <Riddell> mcas: do you think that language can be a barrier to kubuntu contributions?
[19:40] <mcas> Nightrose: i think we could need more helping hands but we still can do some new things like the translation or our kde 4 wiki action
[19:41] <seele> mcas: how much are you involved with upstream bugs if at all? or just through launchpad?
[19:41] <mcas> Riddell: i don't think so but i hope we can help out with our german team if it is so
[19:41] <mcas> seele: at the moment only through launchpad but i reported some kde bugs when i find them outside kubuntu ;-)
[19:42] <Riddell> mcas: how's jaunty for you?
[19:43] <mcas> i use jaunty for a few weeks now and it feels great much better than intrepid
[19:43] <Riddell> great
[19:43] <mcas> i just works ;-) and thats a great state i think
[19:44] <mcas> s/i/it/
[19:44] <Riddell> anyone else from kubuntu-de able to recommend mcas ?
[19:45] <blizzz> here
[19:45] <blizzz> mcas is currently the most active guy at kubuntu-de.org and does fantastic work in several areas. He is irreplacable at out editorial team, leading the bug $
[19:46] <blizzz> team and has done grand work in translating kubuntu docs with tscheesy and denis recently. Furthermore he is active in the forum and has been hellping out at booths, too.
[19:46] <nixternal> blizzz mcas and all Kubuntu DE:  you guys are definitely rocking! I would like to see the entire group get more involved in #kubuntu-devel, just add the vel to your team channel...all of you helping out would be amazing!
[19:46] <Riddell> I'm going with a +1 then for being an important part of our best loco team
[19:46] <Nightrose> mcas: which events did you attend for kubuntu?
[19:46] <nixternal> mcas has rocked the documentation bug finding and translations.....so that is definitely huge in my book :)
[19:46] <nixternal> +1 for me!
[19:47] <nixternal> Riddell: our only LoCo team right?
[19:47] <blizzz> nixternal: thanks,  i'll mail that round :)
[19:47] <Riddell> depends on who you ask, we have plenty of loco activity around, mostly within general ubuntu teams
[19:47] <mcas> Nightrose: only one event froscon last year but i hope i can go to more events and froscon 09 is marked in my calendar
[19:47] <seele> +1 i wasn't here for the entire conversation but what i heard is good
[19:48] <Nightrose> +1 from me as well - we always need people to bug the bugs
[19:48] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:48] <Riddell> congratulations mcas
[19:48] <blizzz> congrats mcas :)
[19:48] <mcas> yeah
[19:48] <mcas> thank you :-D
[19:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna has an egenda item
[19:49] <mcas> \o/
[19:49] <e-jat> congrats mcas
[19:49] <claydoh> mcas: hooray!
[19:49] <Quintasan> mcas: grats :3
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> that one was actually for the last meeting...
[19:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: seems valid now too :)
[19:50] <bizkut> hey congrates mcas !
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> heh, that it does :)
[19:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: was there an outcome to the network manager worries?
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> not really, I don't know enough about networking to really effectively triage it
[19:50] <mcas> Quintasan: grats to you too :-D
[19:50]  * nixternal wants to start a KDE team here in Chicago
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> It's sort've a "pick your poison" between knetworkmanager and the plasmoid
[19:51]  * e-jat too
[19:51]  * seele has converted several ubuntu users in MD/DC to kubuntu :)
[19:51] <e-jat> seele: me also .. include my manager in office :)
[19:52] <Riddell> I tried the plasmoid from svn recently and it had even more obvious rendering bugs
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> KNetworkManager doesn't play too terribly well with NM 0.7, but at least works (aside from general bugginess and the inability to use statically-defined IPs)
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> and the plasmoid has trouble with certain encryption protocols
[19:53] <nixternal> hrmm, nm plasmoid has been working well for me, except one minor rendering issue where some of the essid's fall below where you can't see them
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: yeah, that's known to upstream
[19:53] <Riddell> I think our main critical bug is this translations issue which I'm at least able to recreate now
[19:53] <nixternal> other than that I was surprised at just how well it worked for me
[19:53] <blizzz> there is also no way to say "hey reconnect me" with the applet, is there?
[19:53]  * kb9vqf waves
[19:54] <Riddell> oh and on the live CD I've seen it fail to load the desktop plasmoid when the ioslave fails, that's really ugly
[19:54] <nixternal> and there is mr. kde 3.5 :)
[19:54] <claydoh> hi kb9vqf
[19:54] <nixternal> Riddell: ahhh, that explains what we saw yesterday at a friends house with the live CD
[19:54] <kb9vqf> sorry for my tardiness, Internet connection problems
[19:54] <Riddell> nixternal: what happened there?
[19:55]  * nixternal notes never to trust millionaire friends who ask you to help them move and it should only take a few hours....left at noon, home between 3am and 4am :/
[19:55] <Riddell> ..I mean with Kubuntu
[19:55] <nixternal> the desktop plasmoid being really ugly
[19:55] <nixternal> reboot with live cd and it was fine
[19:55] <Riddell> nixternal: big X in the middle and "ioslave died" message?
[19:56] <nixternal> yup
[19:56] <Riddell> mm, worrying that
[19:56] <nixternal> err, saw the big X
[19:56] <nixternal> not the ioslave message though
[19:56] <Riddell> I don't really have any ideas what to do about it
[19:56] <Riddell> ok we have some more memberships to do
[19:57] <Riddell> e-jat: ready?
[19:57] <e-jat> Riddell: ok
[19:57] <Riddell> e-jat: can you tell us who you are and what you do for Kubuntu please
[19:57] <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/fenris
[19:57] <e-jat> * FullName : Khairul Aizat Kamarudzzaman
[19:57] <e-jat> * IRC Nickname : fenris @ e-jat
[19:57] <e-jat> * Age: 26 years
[19:57] <e-jat> * Status: Single
[19:57] <e-jat> * Working as: RnD Engineer
[19:58] <e-jat> at Open Source Competency Center http://www.oscc.org.my
[19:58] <e-jat> i just start change to kubuntu in past 2 month ago
[19:59] <e-jat> my involvement in kubuntu still new ..
[19:59] <e-jat> previously i help matr with some pcap file to solve kopete issues
[20:00] <e-jat> testing up kde 4.2.1 since jaunty alpha 2 until now beta release
[20:00] <bizkut> cool :D
[20:01] <e-jat> hope to get in kde developement soon with guide by mentor
[20:02] <Riddell> and you're an existing ubuntu member I see
[20:02] <e-jat> im also now promoting kubuntu
[20:03] <e-jat> to my officemate n manager .. and not forget end user
[20:03] <seele> why do you like kubuntu?
[20:03] <e-jat> seele: previouly in gnome i use to modify alot to look my desktop nice ..
[20:03] <e-jat> but with kubuntu .. i use default theme enough for me :)
[20:04] <e-jat> with the rocking plasmoid at desktop ..
[20:04] <e-jat> and kubuntu applications ..
[20:04] <Riddell> e-jat: you say you have "Testing, compile & install plasmoid plugin"  do you plan to package any of those?
[20:04] <Nightrose> e-jat: can you tell us a little about the free software situation in malaysia? how about kubuntu?
[20:04] <e-jat> yes .. if i get chance to do it
[20:05] <e-jat> Nightrose: currently .. ubuntu are more popular ..
[20:05] <Nightrose> ok
[20:05] <e-jat> since they (end user) not enough awareness about kubuntu n etc
[20:05] <Nightrose> do a lot of people use free software? or are there still very few users?
[20:05] <e-jat> Nightrose: a lot
[20:06] <e-jat> now in education , government
[20:06] <Nightrose> that's great to hear
[20:06] <seele> e-jat: you said you have only been involved in kubuntu for the past 2 months, were you doing anything for ubuntu before then?
[20:06] <e-jat> we at OSCC as consultant to the government agencies
[20:07] <e-jat> seele: ive use kde before while in fedora back few years..
[20:07] <e-jat> but before the 2month with kde .. ive spend it with ubuntu ..
[20:08] <e-jat> maybe will stick with kubuntu after this ..
[20:08] <seele> use ubuntu or were you doing testing for ubuntu too?
[20:08] <e-jat> seele: yes .. but in different way ..
[20:08] <e-jat> my primary is kubuntu
[20:09] <e-jat> and my office desktop is ubuntu
[20:09] <e-jat> but i spend almost of my time with my laptop ( kubuntu )
[20:11] <Riddell> we should make a decision
[20:11]  * Nightrose gives a +1 for promoting kubuntu and other free software in education
[20:12] <nixternal> +1 from me
[20:12] <seele> +0 i would like to see e-jat participate in the community longer. we've rejected membership for people who were involved longer on the same basis
[20:12] <kb9vqf> +0 same reason
[20:12] <e-jat> i agreed with seele
[20:13] <seele> e-jat: i think you are doing good work, but it would be good if you participated in the devel community a bit longer
[20:13] <seele> if anything, to make sure you still like us after 6 months ;)
[20:13]  * nixternal notes that e-jat has been in the greater part of the ubuntu community for almost a year, and is an ubuntu member
[20:13] <e-jat> seele: :)
[20:14] <Riddell> some of your contributions aren't clear cut kubuntu contributions and it's hard to tell how committed you are to Kubuntu, I wonder if I can give a +.5 for those reasons
[20:14] <Riddell> the vote is positive so you get membership :)
[20:15] <e-jat> thanks ..
[20:15] <Riddell> e-jat: you should join us in #kubuntu-devel and become part of the developer community
[20:15] <nixternal> stupid laptop keeps freezing
[20:15] <e-jat> Riddell: yes i will .. thanks ..
[20:15] <Riddell> e-jat: and lots of CD testing needed over the next couple of weeks, all help with that is appreciated
[20:15] <davmor2> nixternal: take it out of the icebox then ;)
[20:16] <e-jat> i will .. thanks alot to all ..
[20:16] <Riddell> kb9vqf: are you wanting to do membership today?
[20:16] <kb9vqf> ?
[20:16]  * nixternal throws an ice cube at davmor2 :p
[20:16] <Riddell> kb9vqf: you're on the wiki page but that may be because nobody cleaned it last time
[20:16] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Noone cleaned it up
[20:16] <nixternal> Riddell: he is a member already :p
[20:16] <nixternal> haha
[20:16] <kb9vqf> nixternal: thanks! :)
[20:17] <Riddell> volunteer needed to clean the wiki page after this meeting :)
[20:17] <kb9vqf> Riddell: Just reset it?  I can do that...
[20:17] <e-jat> kb9vqf: :)
[20:18] <Riddell> any other business?
[20:19] <e-jat> thanks Riddell , nixternal , seele n Nightrose
[20:19]  * kb9vqf wonders if there is any way to get mirrors for the KDE3.5 livecd
[20:19] <Riddell> then I think we're done, countdown to release is 9 days I believe
[20:20] <Riddell> thanks everyone
[20:20] <blizzz> a countdown banner is missing
[20:20] <Riddell> artists welcome
[20:20] <Riddell> kb9vqf: hrm
[20:20] <kb9vqf> Riddell: If that should be continued outside of this channel I'll hop over to #kubuntu-devel
[20:21] <kb9vqf> Riddell: I'm just getting slammed here with all the downloads
[21:21]  * e-jat guys .. i think .. i need to offline .. since it already 4.20 am in MY :) .... c u guys later ..