[14:06] elky: Pokage! \o/ [14:08] ? [14:08] ooh, he lives [14:32] meh. i have the feeling geek1 is wasting a lot of people's time for no real reason, my logs tell me he's "new to linux" and that he "downloaded a kernel package from synaptic package manager and cannot figure out how to run it" [14:33] if that's a good reason to compile his own kernel... [14:35] wow [14:36] heh [14:37] what the fuck [14:37] can people even read+ [14:37] not today [14:38] 'international illiteracy day' [14:39] gartral: for next time, keep in mind that if you don't agree about a ban, you're encouraged to PM the operator who set it, or to join this channel and talk about it [14:39] discussing bans is *not* appropriate in #ubuntu [14:40] op LjL banned user geek1 without warning, and after patronizing him (geek1), when a warning seemed much more appropriate, and LjL, noted [14:40] a warning? [14:40] HOW exactly could i give him a warning, given that he had left the channel...? [14:40] First of all, the ban is a forward to #ubuntu-ops so that we can discuss his behavior when he returns. [14:41] LjL: i didnt see him leave, my client hids join/parts [14:41] gartral: you didn't see him calling me a DICK (uppercase not mine) either? [14:42] * Myrtti goes to brew some coffee for everyone [14:42] and all he did was say one bad word, i think a ubottu forward of !language, would have been appropriate [14:42] gartral: and i guess you didn't see him saying a good 94 lines in #ubuntu basically saying "i am completely new to Ubuntu, i am a noob lol, and i want to compile my kernel"? [14:44] LjL, i seem to only count 2 entries of that.. [14:44] [19:12] hi all [19:13] i just installed ubuntu today lol [19:13] have almost no clue wth im doing [19:13] is terminal the only way to install new programs? [19:14] thanks [19:14] thanks again [19:14] how do you access the kernel? [19:15] then how do ppl change the operating system? [19:15] if they cant access the kernal? [19:16] how do people change the operating system? [14:44] I can't see the point of this discussion [14:44] [21:44] im a noob lol [14:44] he's not really banned, he's redirected to here when he tries to join #ubuntu so we can discuss his behaviour [14:44] [00:20] can anyone tell me an easy way to build a kernal? [14:45] i wasnt following the conversation that far back, my apologies [14:45] gartral: you weren't supposed to have been following it [14:45] but MAYBE just maybe, assume that as an op, i HAVE checked it, before i take action [14:46] because chances are that i have [14:46] I think we're getting a bit carried away here. [14:46] also, to clarify further -- although i should clarify that to sipior perhaps, but he wasn't so kind to take up my invitation to join here [14:46] [15:36:04] LjL: you were being patronising. perhaps a ban for yourself as well? [14:46] this is the sort of thing that would get HIM a ban. [14:47] i hope i'm made my point, and i disengage. [14:47] yep [14:48] LjL: well, if i had we wouldnt be here :) excuse me for not having blind faith in the athorities, but where i am, you dont give trust to power, having said that, ill remember to grep the logs before i speak up [14:48] there now, that's settles [14:48] settled, even [14:48] (my fingers are frozen) [14:48] * gartral extend a hand to LjL [14:48] anything else we can help you with, gartral? [14:48] gartral, please dont idle thanks. [14:49] i was reading the other room, and thank you for setting me straight [14:50] http://paste.ubuntu.com/150838/ [14:51] please clear out unneeded bans, thanks [14:56] @btlogin [15:06] @mark #ubuntu kimi user is a "new" user, yet I've just been sent a conversation with him from another user asking for help how to make virus's - he's either super dumb or playing super dumb. Dubious behaviour but this virus building info is worrying [15:06] The operation succeeded. [15:08] ikonia: if he's new how come he's been around since early march? [15:08] LjL: I know - "I'm new" is his response [15:08] I think he's just a little kid talking nonsense to be honest [15:24] sebsebseb: thanks [15:24] uh [15:24] ok I shoudn't have said anything, sorry [15:24] sebsebseb: i know you're trying to help, but please leave the op-tpye work in #ubuntu to the ops. [15:24] *typew [15:24] dr ghasd [15:24] gah. canna typw. [15:24] ok, I'm about to lart him hard now [15:25] and I'm talking about XPistos [15:25] your willingness to help is appreciated, but jumping in is not. does that make sense? [15:25] * Myrtti sits on her hands [15:25] mneptok: yes [15:25] great. thanks. :) [15:25] that was all. [15:26] Myrtti: he informed me earlier that he and gamerchick02 were friends. [15:26] I know [15:26] Pici: ok well if I hadn't seen that, I woudn't have said anything [15:26] typed wrong thing there [15:26] which is why I only said "meh", and didn't kick on sight [15:27] if I had seen that, I woudn't have said anything [15:27] sebsebseb: You wouldn't have, since he told me in a private message. [15:28] Pici: I see, well then yeah what mneptok said [15:28] * Myrtti slinks away to find warmer clothes [15:30] ok [15:30] well [15:30] I guess [15:30] I am meant to leave this room now [15:30] We don't have anything else to say, so yes. [15:31] ok [15:31] *sigh* [15:31] sebsebseb is like the new mikem :( [15:31] Yikes. [15:34] LjL: i know you said that becuase you disagree with my conservative political ideals. [15:34] :( [15:34] *patpat* [15:35] although in this case, anyway, i was mostly just thinking about "being a pain in the ass while trying to 'help' the ops", rather than the political part... :P [15:36] mneptok: isn't "conservative ideas" an oxymoron? :) [15:36] oh ideals. carry on [15:39] hahahahaa lol [15:40] topyli: if we are to show that ideologies like fundamentalist Islam as practiced by the Taliban are without merit, we must unquestioningly follow any mandates put forth by our leaders. [15:41] !politics [15:41] Please take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you! [15:41] so Myrtti... should I get a pink one? :P [15:41] thank you Seeker`, i was in trouble! [15:43] topyli: :D [15:47] * genii ponders what pink thing jussi01 is considering gettting [15:48] genii: netbook... [15:48] jussi01: Ah... I just caught up now on -offtopic backscroll [15:48] :D [15:48] is it fluffy? [15:49] you can't miss it! [15:51] * Seeker` wants an eee 1000HE [15:52] * LjL won't buy another eee [15:55] LjL: why? [15:57] Seeker`: horrible keyboards, and the fact that my SSD died. sure, it might just be bad luck - but my mom's samsung nc10 is sexy and works fine. [15:58] LjL: thou art mistaken [15:58] topyli: what about? [15:59] not about buying another eee - you probably won't. but the keyboard is just fine, and *my* ssd is working well [15:59] anyone have reccomendations for a netbook with 3g onboard? [15:59] btw, wth is "dothan" ? good thing or bad thing? [16:00] topyli: the keyboard is not just fine at all, seriously. i've tried - several times - the keyboards of all netbooks i could get my hands on, and the eee keyboards are absolutely the worst [16:01] jussi01: a domain for the pilot of the Millennium Falcon [16:01] * jussi01 hurts Flannel [16:02] LjL: oh okay, since it's a fact i can't really argue [16:02] LjL: worst in what way? [16:02] Flannel: the question is, do I prefer it over atom? [16:03] I like the Flybooks [16:03] Seeker`: in two ways. one, the tactile feedback is... well, it's competitive with some desktop calculators [16:03] Seeker`: two, many eee keyboards suffer from a repeated-keypresses problem [16:03] jussi01: Its a pentium M it looks like. Old, old stuff. [16:03] oh [16:03] meh... moving on then [16:03] Well, maybe not old old, but the arch was around in 2004 at least [16:04] the 1000HE has a larger keyobaard than most eee I tihnk [16:04] Seeker`: who cares about large - it's got a completely different keyboard, that's important [16:04] (of course, it might be just as bad as the others, but at least there's a chance it isn't) [16:05] a 1000anything is big :( [16:05] topyli: yeah but the other 1000 are big *and* have a bad keyboard even while being big [16:06] i wish i had waited a few months for the 901, it's still the ultimate best netbook ever. FACT [16:06] at least the 90x has a bad keyboard, but it's the smallest netbook around (aside from some eCafé thing) [16:06] topyli: aside from the keyboard and the bad SSD. [16:06] meh, you had a broken machine [16:06] genii: I hope you have deep pockets... [16:06] topyli: no not really, the 16gb SSD is just el cheapo [16:06] very much so [16:07] LjL: well your keyboard is broken (repetitive keystrokes) and your ssd is broken (dead) [16:07] jussi01: One of the places I work for... the boss has a v35 for sale fairly cheap [16:07] at the same time, my older and in all specs worse eeepc is doing great [16:07] topyli: true [16:08] topyli: but, my keyboard is broken just like a very large percentage of those keyboards, and my ssd is broken because el cheapo ssds tend to break in a large percentage of cases [16:08] topyli: of course it MIGHT not break. but chances are that it will, because of the cheap components. [16:08] you should probably consider taking advantage of the warranty LjL [16:09] genii: how much? [16:09] topyli: the warranty is not much good when you've already lost your data, is it? [16:09] you keep your data on a netbook? [16:09] topyli: also, if i have to choose between buying a product that will Just Work, and one that will probably involve several warranty replacement trip, which one do you think i'll choose? [16:09] jussi01: 1 sec I'll ask [16:10] * Myrtti doesn't keep any data on any mobile (read: can be carried 50m with one hand/arm) appliance [16:10] topyli: no, i don't keep my data on a netbook, i send them to Google Apps instead. [16:10] jussi01: $550 (Canadian) [16:10] [16:10] LjL: dunno, myself i wouldn't just shut up when people sell me defective stuff [16:11] genii: Im _very_ tempted... [16:12] topyli: that's fine, but has nothing to do with whether i would buy a brand again or not [16:12] aye [16:13] topyli: i haven't sent it under warranty yet because i'm so lazy and depressed i'm not even brushing my teeth. that doesn't mean i don't THINK it should be sent under warranty. [16:13] jussi01: It originally had some HD prob...was RMA'd. They just replaced entire unit but also sent the original back. So I swapped out the HD and it's worked fine ever since. [16:14] LjL: you could also claim the breakage of the beloved device has *caused* the depression [16:14] topyli: i don't think that sort of side damages is covered :( [16:14] genii: aye. tbh, while tempted, I kinda am well... impatient... :D want one now... [16:14] that probably wasn't funny either :( [16:15] topyli: no, but it's true. i've been known to throw chairs on furniture and break mirrors and other glass when i've had HDs or PDAs fail [16:16] for crying out loud, fix the servers, dammit [16:16] * genii kicks kubrick [16:17] IM going to restart ubottu - she is currently eating cpu, not sure whats up with her. I restart shortly. [16:17] jussi01: a split is up? [16:17] LjL-Bartol: no, its been most of the day with that issue [16:17] jussi01: also, look at the logs, my bot eats a lot of cpu when it gets awkward exceptions for some reason [16:19] hrm, thats curious [16:19] what is? [16:20] cpu-eating bots? [16:20] I just killed the process (supybot, run by my user) eating the cpu. now ubottu is running still... /me wonders what I killed... [16:22] pkill FTW for load problems. [16:22] jussi01: perhaps you didn't sigkill and it refused to quit? [16:22] LjL: I dunno. I just kill -9 'ed it now... [16:23] yet it's still running... [16:23] LjL: my point exactly... [16:24] yeah -9 *is* sigkill though [16:25] jussi01: she's become self-aware. you can't kill her [16:25] jussi01: Its your alternate ego. Comes alive at night, etc. [16:25] Quite a socialite. [16:25] at night, it FIGHTS CRIME [16:31] @time [16:31] Current time in Etc/UTC: April 14 2009, 15:31:15 [16:31] There some meeting currently? [16:31] Server. [16:31] Ah [16:43] ivoks called the ops in #ubuntu-meeting () [16:43] Random. [17:23] How soon before release have we been opening #u-r-p? [17:23] couple days [17:23] but, just open it and don't advertize it [17:24] well, it's open already [17:25] been "open" for ages [17:25] it normally wouldn't have been [17:25] we kept it +i the past times [17:26] now is as good a time as any to do that? [17:26] to do what, +i it? [17:26] yeah [17:26] then "launch" it [17:27] nah [17:27] at this stage, just keep it open [17:27] it's "launched" by closing +1 and redirecting people, besides [17:27] of course [17:28] hey, my party-version of floodbot doesn't have the special features i had added to it! [17:28] where have they gone [17:30] * genii sips and contemplates if party-bot's blackouts could be from too much partying [17:31] gotta love this guy who's been having a myriad of problems on -fi [17:31] listens to no-one, applies his own "solutions", seems to end up reinstalling all the time [17:31] at least he's trying [17:32] reinstalling all the time works! [17:33] damn i'm an idiot [17:33] hehehe [17:33] next time you look, he's compiling modules downloaded from the internet, although the same modules are in the kernel. of course, the problems are totally elsewhere [17:33] 14:04:05 < gord> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7998009.stm fub [17:33] er [17:33] dunno how that happened [17:34] topyli: I get so frustrated sometimes trying to help some ppl like that. I usually end up telling them something like: Your spontaneous improvisations are making it difficult to continue assisting you. [17:35] well he has a perfectly working system at the moment! yay! of course, he's not happy. wants netbook remix from the PPA [17:37] if it doesn't work on his HP netbook (known to be problematic to ubuntu), he'll install easypeasy in a virtual machine on his desktop [17:37] i will *not* help with that :( [17:44] YAY for pastebin keeping stuff forever - i recovered my code! [17:44] (took a while to decrypt it, but) [18:04] nalioth: can you update the mootbot logs please [18:06] * genii makes more coffee [18:07] Hello [18:09] Hi brunner, how can we help you? [18:09] I was banned from #ubuntu for saying "wtf" [18:09] because apparently that's considered profanity [18:09] this was last night [18:10] I was wondering if I could be unbanned [18:11] My use of "wtf", by the way, was in reference to an hdparm parameter, not a response to something someone said [18:12] brunner: you weren't banned for using 'wtf', you were banned because you were causing unnecessary (and unproductive) noise [18:12] I was just asking what was acceptable language [18:13] okay, I may have been being a little annoying, but I was a little surprised for being reprimanded for the use of "wtf" [18:13] brunner: you weren't reprimanded, it was simply mentioned to you. [18:14] 2009-04-14.043438-0500CDT.txt:(04:37:57 AM) ikonia: brunner: please try to control your language, we know what "wtf" means and we don't need to see it please. [18:14] okay, well, sorry for giving him a hard time [18:15] brunner: would it have been very hard to just say "ok" and go along with stuff? [18:15] LjL: no, but am I the only one surprised at such a strict language policy? [18:16] brunner: no, you're not, but policies are to be respected even if you disagree with them. they can be discussed here, or they could be discussed in private with the person pointing them out [18:16] they really aren't to be argued about noisily in #ubuntu [18:16] and we don't always appreciate sarcasm, either [18:16] I apologize for that. [18:17] is there some forum where this was discussed, or were you guys all there when it happened? [18:17] brunner: you see, the fact that "wtf" has become a very common "chat acronym" doesn't make it not mean "what the fuck". it means that, and there's not much need to say something like that on a tech support channel [18:17] brunner: we have complete logs of #ubuntu [18:18] I figured that, you just found the spot, in what I assume are very long logs, quickly [18:18] brunner: yes, we have our tricks [18:18] brunner: ("man grep" is one...) [18:19] I used grep to find it myself [18:19] wtf... chris@thinkpad:~/.purple/logs/irc/brunner@irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu.chat$ grep wtf * | wc -l [18:19] 73 [18:19] whoops [18:19] brunner: anyway - i will lift your ban if you assure me that you have checked out the guidelines (and everything in the !etiquette factoid), and you're prepared to behave accordingly - and keep in mind that if you have something to discuss about the rules themselves, there's this channel [18:19] which btw* [18:19] since the only think that is ontopic on #ubuntu is Ubuntu support [18:20] I seriously didn't mean to type wtf there [18:20] see what happens when you overuse things like "wtf"? :) you even type them by mistake [18:20] LjL: I will keep that in mind [18:20] lol, guess so [18:21] brunner: "/msg ubottu !etiquette" if you haven't already, and check them all out carefully please, since your next ban will be longer if there's a next one [18:21] yeah, I read them last night [18:22] ok [18:22] how long was the ban going to be? [18:22] before you lifted it [18:22] there's no predefined length on bans [18:22] we lift them when we decide to lift them [18:22] I see [18:23] brunner: now you can join #ubuntu, and unless you have other questions for here, please part [18:23] especially now that jdong has come. or he'll eat you. [18:23] :) [18:23] okay... [18:24] *g* [18:24] @mark #ubuntu-ops brunner Forward removed, seems to be more reasonable about his attitude [18:24] The operation succeeded. [18:25] hi topyli [18:25] Tm_T: hey [18:26] in business yet? :) [18:27] nope, yet [18:27] tomorrow might tell something though [18:28] good, good [18:29] I'm still hoping to get things rolling this month [18:29] we needz munnys [18:29] indeed [18:49] Any #ubuntu-uk ops here? [18:49] yes [18:49] xcdfgkjhgcv is back... [18:50] Yay! [18:50] on 3g :S [18:53] xcdfgkjhgcv was reported as trolling on other non-ubuntu channels too... [18:54] mildly trolling mostly [18:57] LjL: he's been banned a few times from -uk [19:04] * Pici sighs [19:08] Pici: ? [19:12] Seeker`: extremly vauge user. [19:13] Pici: oh you're here - do you happen to know how can i do things with my computer? [19:16] @login [19:16] The operation succeeded. [19:18] LjL: thanks for dealing with brunner [19:26] Pici: if it were PHP, saying "it works" would be a contradiction in terms, wouldn't it? [19:26] LjL: :D (You said it, not me) [19:27] Today is either vague question day, or psychic day [19:27] bit of both [19:31] Pici: have you ever used that program? [19:31] or banned whats-his-name [19:40] Apologies to those in #k I forgot to /away when work needed me for extended period [19:42] is #eeepc-ot another troll pit, I'm seeing people getting banned from #ubuntu meeting up there [19:43] geek1: can we help ? [19:43] yes [19:43] what's up? [19:43] can you tell me how to open a kernel in the terminal? [19:43] I downloaded it but cant open it [19:43] geek1: ahhh it's you from earlier, [19:43] geek1: you're not in a support channel currently [19:44] lol yup [19:44] you've been forward to the #ubuntu-ops channel due to what was going on in #ubuntu earlier with you [19:44] o [19:44] maybe [19:44] no - fact [19:44] why what did I do wrong? [19:45] you where causing a disruption asking about kernel information constantly when it was clear you didn't know what you where doing, people where offering you advice to help you but you ignored it and just kept asking the same questions, which appeared to be an attempt to provoke an issue [19:45] oh I didnt mean to [19:45] sorry [19:46] geek1: I suggest you read up about the kernel as what you are asking makes no sense, and you should not be touching the kernel unless you %200 know what you are doing [19:46] ok [19:46] sorry [19:46] no problem [19:46] I wont ask again [19:46] I'll remove the ban for you, please try to pay attention [19:46] .... [19:46] oh [19:46] left before I finished [19:47] @mark #ubuntu-ops geek1 left before I could explain, I'll leave the forward on so someone can explain to read what is being said to him [19:47] The operation succeeded. [19:47] The kids these days. So impatient. [19:47] And get off my lawn! [19:47] I can type fast too ! [20:01] anyone remember that url about reporting bugs well? [20:01] which one ? [20:02] hrm, some blog post I think about how to report a bug well... [20:10] jussi01: you mean https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs ? [20:11] tsimpson: almost... actually the link at the bottom... http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html [20:11] thanks [20:11] The ISP I work at might be amenable to becoming a mirror. Who would I talk to about that? [20:12] genii: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror afaik [20:12] tsimpson: Great, thanks [20:17] ugh. [20:17] -offtopic [20:19] Pici: gtk vs qt stuff? [20:21] genii: and the harshness that went along with it. [20:21] Can I ban people for being annoying? [20:22] it's -ot, you can ban people for breathing... [20:22] hehe [20:32] hyperair called the ops in #ubuntu-devel () [20:32] Guys^ [20:35] looks like no ops are around :| [20:35] argh [20:36] looks like our friendly freenode staff took care of it [20:44] did paddy just hit #-devel too? [20:45] christel: Weird, he was talking to you while you weren't there... [20:45] i think he did a /amsg or something, it hit tons of channels, as it usually does when he shows up [20:46] That would explain it. [20:46] paddy who? the one currently online? [20:47] LjL: paddy as in patrick frank [20:47] he just made an appearance as 'martinw' a few moments ago [20:47] * LjL doesn't know about a Patrick Frank, although the martinw nickname somehow does ring a bell on the other hand [20:48] LjL: he's harassed #ubuntu-women a bit, and a few of your MLs, and debian women, and about half the internet [20:48] christel: yes, i'm googling him, and it appears that i *should* know about him. but i don't. [20:50] christel: he started to rant to sabdfl too [20:51] christel: but is he the same MartinW that has an account registered as Martian? because that's probably the MartinW i had in mind... [20:52] although *that* MartinW hasn't showed up in a while [20:54] he's "special" [21:52] hey ikonia, how do I get back to the regular channel? [21:56] geek1: you left before I'd finished talking to you earlier [21:57] geek1: I was trying to explain to you that I'd remove the ban, but I'd like you to read the responses people give to you when you're asking for help, most of the people will be out to try to help you and get you to your goal in the most sensible way possible [21:58] geek1: does that seem reasonable ? [21:59] yes [21:59] no problem then, hang on [21:59] I am very sorry [21:59] removed the forwad, you can join #ubuntu now [21:59] ok [21:59] thanks a lot [21:59] no problem [22:00] @mark #ubuntu-ops removed geek1 ban from #ubuntu after second -ops visit, keeping an eye on him [22:00] The operation succeeded. [22:00] LjL: geek1 forward removed [22:15] ikonia: ok, i hope that aside from being sorry, he also understands that wasting people's time asking how to do awkward stuff like compile the kernel for the sake of "tinkering" is not the best of ideas... [22:15] LjL: I explained that to him on his first visit [22:17] ikonia: ah, i see. #eeepc-ot? interesting, who was there? [22:17] LjL: reid, that xasdadfsdfx fellow, the imachine guy, [22:18] ikonia: the only person that shows up in my /who is... [22:18] Zygo is i=startkey@startkeylogger.hungrycats.org (Zygo Blaxell) [22:18] and now THAT's what i call an interesting hostname. [22:18] yay ping :) [22:18] Pricey: so sorriez :( [22:18]