[01:21] <Ampelbein> hi there. is there anything that can be done about the non-updating bugwatches for GNOME and sf?
[01:56] <rockstar> Ampelbein, most of the bugs folks are sleeping, but you can always ask a question.
[01:58] <Ampelbein> rockstar: well, i don't know what i could do, that's why i asked. ;-) i don't see a "retry bugwatch" button here.
[02:05] <rockstar> Ampelbein, no, I meant ask a Question, as in the proper noun.
[02:10] <kiko> Ampelbein, you should ask gmb when he's awake, but I will ask him -- can you give me an example bug #?
[02:14] <Ampelbein> kiko: 228309 for example.
[02:15] <Ampelbein> kiko: or bug 360598 - here the bugwatch actually has no warning-sign yet the status is unupdated.
[02:15] <jkakar> Hrm, maybe I'm blind but I seem to consistently have a very hard time finding the link to a project's PPA(s) from the main overview page for a project.
[02:15] <Ampelbein> kiko: (those were both GNOME ones) bug 333620 is sf.net
[02:16] <wgrant> jkakar: Projects don't have PPAs.
[02:16] <jkakar> wgrant: Oh, right.  Crap.
[02:16] <wgrant> jkakar: People (and teams) do.
[02:16] <jkakar> wgrant: That just feels like so much of the implementation leaking out... when I (as a user) think of, for example, finding the PPA for Gwibber I don't think of the gwibber-team team, I think of the project.
[02:17] <wgrant> jkakar: You would think so, wouldn't you.
[02:17] <wgrant> Perhaps the upcoming Registry work on linking teams and projects will alleviate this.
[02:17] <jkakar> wgrant: I use Launchpad every day, including PPAs (though I don't use them daily)... the fact that this is confusing for me probably means it's impossible for casual visitors to figure out.
[02:18] <wgrant> jkakar: Mhm.
[02:22] <jkakar> I'm seeing this when I run 'bzr update' in my local checkout: Format <RepositoryFormatKnit1> for lp-140228062795280:///~autoppa/autoppa/trunk/.bzr is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance
[02:22] <jkakar> Should I run 'bzr upgrade lp:~autoppa/autoppa/trunk'?
[02:22] <wgrant> Yes.
[02:22] <jkakar> wgrant: Great, thanks.
[02:22] <wgrant> That's a nice old branch you have there.
[02:24] <jkakar> Aye. :)
[05:19] <bgranger> I am trying to register a series for the IPython project
[05:19] <thumper> ok
[05:20] <bgranger> I am one of the drivers, but there is no "Register series" link on the main page.
[05:20] <bgranger> I know what it looks like because I am the owner of another project (pyxg)
[05:20] <thumper> hmm...
[05:20] <bgranger> Is there something wrong with my permissions that prevents me from seeing this?
[05:24] <wgrant> It's probably only the owner (or Maintainer or Registrant, depending on where you look) that can create series.
[05:27] <bgranger> The lp docs say...
[05:27] <bgranger> To create a series, provided you're either the project's owner or driver, click Register a series in the Series and milestones section of your project overview page.
[05:29] <wgrant> That documentation doesn't match the implementation, then.
[05:29] <wgrant> (I just tested - the driver can't add a series)
[05:30] <thumper> bug!
[05:30] <bgranger> Thanks for checking this.  At least I know what is wrong and I can have our owner ahndle this.
[05:30] <bgranger> Should I file a bug report?
[05:32] <wgrant> A bug report would be good, I suspect.
[05:32] <bgranger> OK, thanks
[05:32] <wgrant> I don't see why a driver shouldn't be able to do it.
[05:32] <bgranger> I sure *need* to be able to
[06:02] <kkubasik> Hey, does anyone know what the commercial launchpad accounts run?
[06:05] <spm> kkubasik: I'm not sure I understand the question? what do you mean by "the commercial launchpad accounts run?" ?
[06:06] <kkubasik> I know that it is possible to purchase a launchpad account for hosting closed-source code
[06:07] <kkubasik> I was wondering if anyone knew what that cost
[06:08] <spm> kkubasik: $250 USD p/y. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[06:08] <kkubasik> spm:  many thanks
[06:08] <spm> np
[06:08] <kkubasik> =/ sad its so pricy
[06:35] <vikashkoushik> Hi guys
[06:35] <vikashkoushik> When I login to my launchpad profile,I find that I lost 10,000 karma's.What happened?
[06:35] <thumper> karma degrades over time
[06:35] <vikashkoushik> why?
[06:36] <thumper> to give weight to recent activity
[06:36] <vikashkoushik> didn't get you clearly
[06:36] <thumper> karma is an indication of recent launchpad activity, not all historical launchpad activity
[06:38] <vikashkoushik> i'm trying to become a member of ubuntu
[06:38] <thumper> well if it helps, my karma has gone down 40k recently
[06:39] <vikashkoushik> during the meeting,they may not be convinced when they see my lauch pad profile
[06:39] <vikashkoushik> wow
[06:39] <thumper> those that decide know that karma degrades
[06:39] <vikashkoushik> hmm......
[06:39] <vikashkoushik> thanks dude
[06:43] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: we look at long term contributions
[06:44] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: karma is one aspect
[06:44] <lifeless> long term *sustained* contributions
[06:44] <vikashkoushik> you can see my wiki page if you want
[06:44] <lifeless> a spurt of lots of contribution and then nothing is not as good an indicator as moderate contribution on a long term basis
[06:44] <vikashkoushik> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/S.Vikash Koushik
[06:44] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: not really :)
[06:44] <vikashkoushik> include Koushik
[06:45] <lifeless> the point is that the wiki page is just to document what you have been doing; if you have been contributing in a sustained way its very easy for us
[06:45] <vikashkoushik> i did a demo in front of 4 schools & distributed CD's to everyone there
[06:46] <lifeless> thats a single contribution
[06:46] <lifeless> its good
[06:46] <lifeless> but we're looking for the long term
[06:46] <vikashkoushik> Since Jan
[06:46] <vikashkoushik> thats about 4 months
[06:46] <lifeless> few people that have been contributing for only 4 months reach member status via the regional boards
[06:46] <vikashkoushik> didn't it say 2months on the web page
[06:46] <lifeless> don't be discouraged
[06:47] <lifeless> take the recommendations you get and follow them
[06:47] <vikashkoushik> the problem is that i'm in india
[06:47] <vikashkoushik> those guys hardly come on #ubuntu-meeting
[06:48] <vikashkoushik> i've been giving answers & solutions in launch pad
[06:49] <vikashkoushik> translating ubuntu in tamil
[06:52] <lifeless> thats good
[06:53] <lifeless> keep doing it
[06:53] <lifeless> come back next month, or the month after
[06:54] <wgrant> lifeless: Are you on the apac board?
[06:54] <lifeless> wgrant: yes
[06:54] <wgrant> lifeless: Ahh.
[06:54] <vikashkoushik> could i attend the coming meeting
[06:54] <vikashkoushik> ?
[06:55] <spm> thumper: yikes - you weren't kidding about the karma drop. I was on ~96K, now 29. Whee. Wonder if I should use my powers for evil and ... correct that... :-P
[06:55] <lifeless> put your name on the web page if you feel like you can show sustained contributions next month
[06:55] <vikashkoushik> lol
[06:55] <wgrant> I, OTOH, have acquired a lot of karma recently, thanks to lp-bzr.
[06:55] <vikashkoushik> ok
[06:55] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: the thing to remember is that we're looking for people that are contributing in the long term, not people trying to get member status for the sake of having member status
[06:55] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: contribute at a sustainable personal level and keep doing it
[06:55] <spm> wgrant: careful. get too smug and I may choose to "borrow" your karma ;-)
[06:56] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: it will be clear to the board
[06:56] <vikashkoushik> i'm not trying to get a membership status.I want to contribute to ubuntu
[06:56] <lifeless> spm: canonical folk get marked down
[06:56] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: in which case keep helping out on answers bugs and translations
[06:56] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: because thats a fantastic contribution
[06:56] <wgrant> spm: Haha.
[06:56] <spm> lifeless: heh. good. seriously for a change. :-)
[06:56] <vikashkoushik> i'll start bug reporting from 9.10 alpha
[06:57] <lifeless> excellent
[06:57] <spm> vikashkoushik: why not trying to do bug fixing as well? where you can?
[06:57] <wgrant> Or bug triage.
[06:57] <vikashkoushik> spm:how do I do that?
[06:57] <vikashkoushik> i.e. where do i do that?
[06:58] <spm> find an interesting (to you) bug that needs some traction, and try and fix it.
[06:58] <spm> vikashkoushik: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubunet
[06:58] <vikashkoushik> shal start on it immediately
[06:58] <spm> gah. wrong link.
[06:58] <lifeless> spm: uhm, wrong wrong wrong
[06:58] <lifeless> :)
[06:59] <spm> damn browser history - they all look the same :-D
[06:59] <vikashkoushik> wat's the link guys?
[06:59] <spm> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[06:59] <vikashkoushik> lol
[06:59] <vikashkoushik> hey lifeless
[07:00] <vikashkoushik> ,
[07:00] <wgrant> spm: I prefer Ubunet's public bug stats to ours...
[07:00] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: ?
[07:00] <vikashkoushik> So you guys don't look at karma while deciding to give the membership status?
[07:01] <lifeless> its one of many things we look at
[07:01] <vikashkoushik> hmmm..........
[07:01] <lifeless> no one thing is a deciding factor for or against
[07:01] <vikashkoushik> wat?
[07:01] <spm> wgrant: heh
[07:02] <lifeless> vikashkoushik: people  with zero karma have become members when they show sustained contributions, and people with lots of karma haven't had enough sustained contribution to become members
[07:03] <lifeless> I have to go, back later
[07:03] <vikashkoushik> k
[08:36] <thekorn> hi, is there any way to find out why I did not get a mail for bug 341163, "bughelper-dev" is listed under "also notified" and I'm member of that team
[08:37] <thekorn> upps, sorry wrong bug number, it's bug 354985
[08:38] <wgrant> thekorn: Notifications will go to the mailing list (bughelper@lists.u.c)
[08:40] <thekorn> wgrant, ah ok, maybe it's because this list is dead or something, will check with bdmurray
[08:40] <thekorn> thanks
[09:08] <wgrant> I sent an email to a bug a little over 35 minutes ago, and it still hasn't shown up on the web UI. It had no commands, and a very similar email worked 8 hours ago.
[09:16] <intellectronica> wgrant: that's no good. which bug?
[09:17] <wgrant> intellectronica: Bug #360693
[09:18] <intellectronica> wgrant: oh that one :-/
[09:19] <intellectronica> wgrant: b.t.w do you get consistent timeouts for any bug? we do want to fix those!
[09:20] <wgrant> intellectronica: That is what my reply was about. One consistent case last night is no longer timing out - bug #260918 now only takes around 9 seconds to render. Last night it always timed out. I suppose the cache could be hotter now.
[09:22] <intellectronica> wgrant: cool, that's good news. i'll check what's going on with the email (but it might take a while because we don't have administrators until the morning in the US east coast)
[09:23] <wgrant> intellectronica: Thanks.
[10:27] <intellectronica> wgrant: email is now being processed again
[10:29] <wgrant> intellectronica: What died?
[10:30] <intellectronica> wgrant: pretty much everything on the machine that runs the incoming email processing script. we're not sure why yet
[10:30] <wgrant> intellectronica: Ah, lovely...
[10:30] <wgrant> intellectronica: Thanks for fixing.
[10:30] <intellectronica> yup
[10:31] <intellectronica> wgrant: np. thanks for bringing the problem to our attention.
[11:05] <SiDi> Hello
[11:06] <SiDi> I'd like to know who i shall contact in order to request the username of a totally inactive member, please.
[11:18] <Ampelbein> hi there. could it be that the bugwatches are out-of-service again? see bug 228309 for a GNOME-example or bug 333620 for a sourceforge-one.
[11:23] <wgrant> intellectronica: ^^ A couple of people have asked that today.
[11:28] <intellectronica> gmb: is checkwatches still not working for the gnome bug tracker?
[11:29] <gmb> intellectronica: Let me check the OOPS log. I think it's more complex than that.
[11:30] <gmb> intellectronica, Ampelbein: So, gnome bug watches are being updated. However, *which* gnome bug watches are being updated is a different matter altogether.
[11:30] <gmb> Ampelbein: I'll see if I can do more digging, but unfortunately that'll need a sysadmin and they won't be around for a couple of hours.
[11:30] <Ampelbein> gmb: thanks for investigating.
[11:31] <gmb> Ampelbein: np
[11:31] <wgrant> Is the background colour of interleaved changes meant to differ depending on whether they are joined to a comment? It looks strange having three different background colours for comment content.
[11:32] <cody-somerville> wgrant, Can you show me an example?
[11:32] <gmb> wgrant: Well, it's not *meant* to be. It's a bug.
[11:33] <gmb> Which I shall now file.
[11:33] <gmb> wgrant: We basically repurposed the comment footer for changes linked to a comment, but the styling for the text stayed the same, which makes it look kinda funky.
[11:33] <wgrant> gmb: OTOH it'd probably look stranger to have the joined ones the same colour as the unjoined ones, because they're so close to white. I don't know.
[11:33] <wgrant> Ahh.
[11:34] <gmb> wgrant: Luckily it's not hard to fix; it's just a CSS change. However, I'll leave it up to beuno to decide how the CSS should change :)
[11:35] <wgrant> gmb: It must be useful having UI designers to delegate that sort of thing to.
[11:36] <gmb> wgrant: Well, the way it normally works is that beuno creates a mockup, I implement the mockup, beuno likes the implementation, kiko disagrees, they argue for a bit, then I find a compromise.
[11:36] <gmb> wgrant: In theory, it works fine :)
[11:36] <wgrant> Haha.
[12:12] <natureshadow> hi there!
[12:12] <cody-somerville> Hello!
[12:12] <natureshadow> Under what circumstances can a user lose 2000 karma points overnight?
[12:13] <SiDi> natureshadow, they changed the algorithm for answer tracker's karma imho :P i lost 7k karma
[12:13] <natureshadow> ah ok .)
[12:13] <cody-somerville> They change all of them I believe
[12:13] <natureshadow> Not that I'd care, but good to know ;)
[12:13] <cody-somerville> I lost 35K
[12:13] <SiDi> cody-somerville, heya :P
[12:14] <cody-somerville> Hi SiDi :)
[12:24] <Milosz> Are there stats available for PPAs?
[12:25] <bigjools> Milosz: no, but it's in our plans soon
[12:26] <Milosz> bigjools, ok
[12:26] <Milosz> would (or will..) be nice to have
[12:26] <bigjools> presuming you mean download stats that is
[12:40] <primes2h> Hello, What did it change recently in launchpad? This morning I've found that my karma (about bugs) dropped to 1817 (was over 6000)
[12:43] <SiDi> I know i'm repeating myself, but who should i contact in order to request an username that is taken by a totally inactive person ?
[12:44] <primes2h> Even the answers karma dropped, was higher yesterday.
[12:44] <SiDi> primes2h, they lowered all the karma. life's like that ;)
[12:44] <bigjools> SiDi: file a Question on the launchpad project
[12:45] <primes2h> SiDi: translations one is stable.
[12:45] <SiDi> bigjools, ok, thanks
[12:45] <bigjools> np
[12:46] <primes2h> SiDi: if you tell me that it's a general behaviour, that's ok! :-)
[12:46] <primes2h> SiDi: Thanks
[12:46] <SiDi> primes2h, you're welcome
[13:01] <kiko> SiDi, me. just pirvmsg me
[13:02] <SiDi> kiko, thanks :)
[13:13] <wgrant> Was the huge karma shift caused by the reduction in overall translations karma making everything else worth less?
[14:12] <c_korn> has the karma calculation changed?
[14:16] <jpds> c_korn: For translation imports? Yes.
[14:17] <henninge> jpds, c_korn: There were more changes.
[14:30] <c_korn> hm, the karmar drop would be related to translations. but I did not translate that much. but doesn't matter
[15:51] <thewrath> i send an e-mail about somethign that was posted on the launchpad-users list but i do not see my reply to Craigs post on this page: https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-users/threads.html#04976 why? how long does it take to populate the server?
[16:04] <gmb> thewrath: It's done periodically, but I don't know how short the periods are.
[16:05] <thewrath> ok
[16:05] <thewrath> that answers my qustion got to go to a meeting
[16:05] <thewrath> ttyl
[16:16] <MTecknology> What happened with the karma scores?
[16:20] <MTecknology> nvm
[17:04] <cl2> hi! got a question: how come that the more i commit the less point i get as a contributer?
[17:07] <rockstar> cl2, what makes you think that?
[17:08] <cl2> rockstar: the launchpad overview page :-)
[17:09] <cl2> just commited a bunch of files and my point decreased from 133 to 88
[17:09] <cl2> in the beginning of the month i got 166 points
[17:11] <rockstar> cl2, it looks like karma around the board has dropped.  We're looking into it.  My overall karma went from ~80K to ~37K.
[17:12] <cl2> ok, thanks, i was just wondering :-)
[17:34] <Ursinha> me!
[17:51] <MTecknology> Ursinha: you might want to add something about karma normalization to the topic...
[17:51] <Ursinha> MTecknology, we're sorting out a blog post about that
[17:51] <Ursinha> but I'll add, yes, thanks for the suggestion :)
[17:53] <jcastro> Still looking for launchpad sessions for openweek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[17:53] <MTecknology> Ursinha: fyi - I am happy to see it happened - even though I'm down to ~25k :P
[17:53] <rockstar> jcastro, the only one I'm qualified for is already booked.
[17:53] <jcastro> don't you rock at anything else?
[17:53] <jcastro> :p
[17:54] <rockstar> jcastro, no.  :(
[17:55] <intellectronica> jcastro: let me ask around if anyone in our team wants to do a session. i did last time, but if no one else steps forward i'll volunteer this time too
[17:56] <jcastro> woo
[17:56] <jcastro> if you want a slot but don't have a topic feel free to put "tbd launchpad topic" or whatever
[17:58] <intellectronica> jcastro: last time we did a general bug tracking session, which was ok. but i wonder if a session on external bug trackers will be a nice thing to have. it's a powerful, and pretty complicated, feature, which should be of interest to ubunteros
[17:58] <jcastro> intellectronica: you mean linking to external bug trackers? I kind of do that in my upstream bug workflow session
[17:59] <jcastro> intellectronica: but I can not mention that and have you talk about linkages
[17:59] <jcastro> and I can talk about upstream report, etc.
[17:59] <intellectronica> jcastro: ah ok. so any suggestions on what would be of most benefit? a general bug tracking session? or maybe about using the api?
[18:00] <jcastro> I would like to "save" the api sessions for developer week, and have these sessions be more introductory
[18:01] <jcastro> intellectronica: how about "using ubuntu-bugs"?
[18:01] <jcastro> that would fit with our trying to get the word out for people on how to use it, etc.
[18:02] <intellectronica> jcastro: yes, good idea. a session focused on how to effectively report and track ubuntu bugs
[18:02] <jcastro> intellectronica: mgunes is doing a "good practices on ubuntu bugs" session already, and pedro is doing a triaging one
[18:02] <jcastro> so one that complements those two would be perfect
[18:03] <jcastro> intellectronica: a round up of the tools available, like ubuntu-bug, the suspend script, checkbox, etc. would be useful I think too
[18:03] <intellectronica> jcastro: cool. i'm trying to find someone from the team to do that, and if not will register myself. could you please remind me which wiki page the schedule is on?
[18:04] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[18:04] <jcastro> it might go up one page over the next few hours as I finalize stuff, if you have any problems just ping me
[18:04] <intellectronica> jcastro: k np
[18:05] <jcastro> still plenty of room on there for more lp intro talks! (looks around)
[18:06] <intellectronica> jcastro: there's no API session yet. i think that would be valuable. maybe leonardr will be interested in running one
[18:06] <jcastro> ok
[18:07] <leonardr> intellectronica, jcastro: sure, sign me up. i do one of those every time
[18:44] <jbalint> hi
[18:44] <jbalint> any reason why i click a file here, its coming up empty? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ndb-bindings/ndb-bindings/trunk/files/head%3A/java/swig/?file_id=java-20070130002924-gcvhapmvh0lu1pkd-1
[18:46] <SiDi> Click on the "Download this file" button ? :p
[18:47] <jbalint> its still empty
[18:48] <SiDi> You mean the files you get are empty ?
[18:48] <jbalint> yes
[18:48] <SiDi> Ok, i confirm
[18:48] <jbalint> im pretty sure this used to show the whole file "annotated" or "blame" or whatever you call it
[18:49] <SiDi> from the link you posted
[18:49] <SiDi> click on the right side of the screen on the green arrows
[18:49] <SiDi> and you'll get the files
[18:49] <SiDi> Yeh but it doesnt work for some kinds of file exts
[18:50] <jbalint> even java.... i think it was fine, prob based on whether files are marked as a non-text type
[18:51] <Ursinha> rockstar, do you know what's going on here?
[18:51] <Ursinha> ^
[18:51] <SiDi> The download link from the "annotate" page doesnt work, indeed
[18:51]  * rockstar reads backchat
[18:52] <jbalint> the annotate page is blank...! :(
[18:52] <jbalint> i guess because the head rev is later than this is last updated, but i dont see how thats useful
[19:36] <thewrath> forestpixie: /leave
[19:43] <jbalint> ok, its working again now :D
[20:11] <cr3> darn that karma change, I almost got enough to be worth a penny on the shop!
[20:16] <Ursinha> cr3, :)
[20:39] <oubiwann> rockstar: hey man, is there a launchpad page for projects that lists all the tags with links for viewing all the bugs with the given tag?
[20:48] <rockstar> oubiwann, not sure, but that would be helpful if there was.  gmb? ^^^
[20:53] <kiko> oubiwann, there isn't for any project, though there is for a specific project (like /ubuntu) a listing
[20:54] <oubiwann> kiko: I'm interested in one for landscape... is there such a one?
[20:55] <kiko> bugs/landscape
[20:55] <kiko> look at the portlet to the right
[20:55] <oubiwann> kiko: right, that portlet only shows a small number of the tags I'm interested in...
[20:55] <kiko> oubiwann, sounds like they aren't official tags then.
[20:56] <oubiwann> kiko: ah, so any tags that I make official will show up in the portlet all the time?
[20:56] <kiko> yes.
[20:56] <oubiwann> (I don't think we have any official tags)
[20:56] <kiko> there's a page missing that lists /all/ tags
[20:56] <kiko> intellectronica might be able to tell you more about that
[20:56] <oubiwann> kiko: thanks for the info! just what I needed :-)
[21:16] <fortunev> When using bazaar, is there a way to push a branch without using ssh?
[21:17] <beuno> fortunev, sftp or ftp
[21:17] <beuno> and webdav, but I don't know how that works currently
[21:17] <fortunev> beuno: I have tried sftp and ftp neither seem to work. is the syntax the same?
[21:17] <beuno> fortunev, is this to Launchpad or server to server?
[21:18] <fortunev> Launchpad
[21:18] <beuno> right, so just sftp and ssh to launchpad
[21:18] <beuno> bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/project/branchname
[21:19] <fortunev> I'll give it a shot. is sftp much different than ssh?
[21:19] <beuno> fortunev, what seems to be the problem?
[21:19] <fortunev> I get cannot connect to server. I'll give you the exact error in a sec
[21:21] <fortunev> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; (10060, 'Operat
[21:21] <fortunev> ion timed out')
[21:22] <beuno> fortunev, ah, that's odd
[21:22] <beuno> can you try:  sftp bazaar.launchpad.net
[21:22] <beuno> and: ssh bazaar.launchpad.net
[21:22] <fortunev> that came from sftp://bazarr.launchpad.net. SSH does the same
[21:23] <beuno> fortunev, you must have a problem with your connection
[21:23] <beuno> either you're local lan is blocking ports, or your ISP is flaky
[21:23] <fortunev> I think my port 22 is closed. Is there an unsecure way to push
[21:24] <fortunev> or a way I can supply a pw
[21:24] <beuno> ah, I don't think so then, no
[21:25] <fortunev> aaarrrrrgggg.... I was afraid of that.Could I use send?
[21:25] <fortunev> ...I apologize for my noobness.
[21:26] <beuno> fortunev, send what, sorry?
[21:26] <fortunev> bzr send . I believe it uses email?
[21:26] <beuno> fortunev, ah, maybe
[21:26] <beuno> thumper, rockstar, abentley ^ ?
[21:28] <abentley> beuno: How can I help?
[21:28]  * rockstar reads backchat
[21:28] <beuno> abentley, hi! good to see you.  fortunev has his port 22 blocked, and was wondering if bzr send could help him in any way to send a branch to LP
[21:28] <beuno> I *think* not, that it's just for MPs
[21:29] <beuno> but I've been wrong like 3 times already today
[21:29] <abentley> beuno: bzr send should cause launchpad to create a branch if it doesn't exist yet, but I just tried it and it doesn't seem to have worked.
[21:30] <beuno> good, so I was theoriticall wrong, and pragmatically right
[21:31] <fortunev> abently: thanks for the assist. I recall reading something about authenticating with a password. Would you know anything about that?
[21:31] <abentley> fortunev: I know that it's not supported for Launchpad.  Launchpad only uses SSH keys for authentication.
[21:32] <beuno> and that's still port 22 though, no?
[21:32] <fortunev> ok... If that is the case I will have to work on setting up a tunnle I guess
[21:32] <abentley> beuno: Yes.  Though having your incoming port blocked shouldn't affect what you can connect to.
[21:32] <fortunev> yes ssh is port 22
[21:32] <beuno> abentley, right. He seems to have it blocked both ways
[21:33] <fortunev> I am guessing both are blocked. Yes
[21:34] <fortunev> well thanks anyway. Sorry for hacking your nick abentley. cya l8r
[21:34] <abentley> fortunev: np.
[21:53] <abentley> beuno_: So apparently, the issue was that the target_branch in the MD had a trailing slash.
[21:53] <beuno_> abentley, ah
[21:54] <beuno_> a bug I guess?
[21:57] <abentley> beuno_: Yeah.
[21:58] <abentley> beuno: It's bug #318040
[21:59] <beuno> abentley, cool, thanks for looking into it
[22:59] <herb> barry: that didn't apply cleanly. there's no lib/lp/registry/tests/test_mailinglistapi.py to patch.
[23:00] <herb> oop
[23:11] <kkubasik> Hey, does anyone know more details about how launchpad will be released?
[23:12] <kkubasik> as open source that is
[23:12] <beuno> kkubasik, info at: https://dev.launchpad.net/OpenSourcing
[23:12] <kkubasik> will it be enough to run a hosted launchpad instance? or just enough to see how it works
[23:13] <beuno> kkubasik, you will be able to run a hosted instance, in general. Although if you do, you loose a lot of potential information you may share with other open source projeccts
[23:14] <kkubasik> beuno:  has there been talk of federating?
[23:14] <kkubasik> our problem is we have a mix, about 50:50
[23:14] <kkubasik> some projects open source, but some super-closed
[23:14] <kkubasik> so we need to be able to make some stuff private, but we want to share as much as possible, while having just one bug tracker internally
[23:15] <beuno> kkubasik, well, launchpad provides a commercial service to have private branches and bugs
[23:15] <beuno> so you could use Launchpad, and mix-n-match
[23:15] <beuno> there a few projects doing the same already
[23:15] <beuno> bac knows all about this
[23:16] <kkubasik> beuno:  yeah, I emailed and asked about that
[23:16] <kkubasik> I would ike to, but we do mostly consulting, meaning a high turnover rate on projects
[23:16] <bac> hi kkubasik
[23:16] <kkubasik> so per-project pricing is a tough sell for us
[23:16] <bac> kkubasik: i have not responded to your email yet as i'm discussing it internally
[23:17] <bac> kkubasik: perhaps we can chat here tomorrow
[23:17] <kkubasik> bac: certainly
[23:18] <kkubasik> is 23.5 hours from now good?
[23:18] <kkubasik> ;)
[23:18] <bac> kkubasik: regarding private translations, it is not something on our roadmap.  the big win for translations is access to the giant pool of strings that have already been translated.
[23:19] <kkubasik> certainly, i think its more 'anonymous' strings
[23:19] <bac> kkubasik: when you start slicing that pool up it becomes less useful.  but i understand you don't want sensitive strings leaking
[23:20] <kkubasik> yeah, translation isn't really the kicker, but blueprints are pretty cool
[23:20] <bac> kkubasik: sometime tomorrow afternoon EDT would be good
[23:20] <kkubasik> great, i'll be online most of tomorrow afternoon, so we can link up at some point
[23:20] <bac> kkubasik: we have not fully implemented private blueprints but they will not be much work.
[23:20] <bac> kkubasik: just ping me here.  i'm on all day...
[23:21] <bac> i don't monitor this channel but do respond when someone calls my name...
[23:22] <kkubasik> I know we aren't a big contract, but we are mostly open-source devs and would be more than willing to make a special effort to help test/report bugs
[23:29] <joey> >> Launchpad is going offline in a few minutes for unscheduled security updates. <<
[23:29] <joey> >> Launchpad is going offline in a few minutes for unscheduled security updates. <<
[23:29] <joey> >> Launchpad is going offline in a few minutes for unscheduled security updates. <<