| asac | kenvandine_wk: can you please subscribe motu-release, and attach the patches we have now to the two bugs and set bug status to New? | 00:25 |
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| pitti | bryce: reverting entire mesa in a SRU sounds very unlikely to me, since it has a high potential for breaking other systems | 08:12 |
| pitti | bryce: (like systems configured for UXA) | 08:13 |
| bryce | pitti: we may not need to -- we've had a bit of a brainstorm on #ubuntu-x tonight | 08:13 |
| pitti | bryce: ah, nice; just reading backscroll from the meeting | 08:13 |
| bryce | pitti: but I will point out that UXA is definitely not a supported option yet | 08:14 |
| bryce | or at least, it's not one I am ready to support yet, myself | 08:14 |
| pitti | bryce: today I thought about converting your troubleshooting guide to a more end user related document "What can you do on intel driver problems", e. g. collect some workarounds | 08:15 |
| pitti | which we could link from the release notes | 08:15 |
| bryce | that's a good idea | 08:15 |
| pitti | bryce: I'll mail you for review when I'm done | 08:17 |
| bryce | thanks | 08:18 |
| seb128 | mvo: <DBO>i just came here to say that there are redundant plugins enabled in compiz, and they are causing us to waste CPU resources when we do window fades | 08:30 |
| seb128 | mvo: ^ that's from yesterday | 08:30 |
| seb128 | I think he said he would open a bug | 08:30 |
| davmor2 | mvo: updates seem to be working okay now :) | 08:33 |
| mvo | thanks seb128 and davmor2 | 08:34 |
| tseliot | seb128: what does Gnome do with DPI (in Jaunty)? | 09:31 |
| seb128 | tseliot: 96 dpi forced | 09:32 |
| seb128 | by default forced, you can change the value in the appearance capplet | 09:32 |
| tseliot | seb128: with a gconf key in libgnome? | 09:32 |
| seb128 | yes | 09:32 |
| tseliot | ok, thanks | 09:32 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 09:33 |
| seb128 | why do you ask? do you have any issue due to that? | 09:33 |
| asac | hmm ... i experienced issues shutting down my system (using fusa) ... told me that other users are logged in. known bug? | 09:38 |
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| tseliot | seb128: no, I don't but the OEM team needs some customisations | 09:50 |
| seb128 | tseliot: ok, easier way is to unset the key then, but be careful the xrand capplet might still force a 96dpi value when loading configs | 09:51 |
| seb128 | asac: ck-list-sessions? | 09:51 |
| tseliot | seb128: how come? | 09:51 |
| seb128 | asac: the ck-pam-something might open a ck session for cron job, there is a bug open about that | 09:51 |
| seb128 | tseliot: bug? I know they use to force 96dpi in hardy when the capplet landed rather than reading the key, I didn't try recently though | 09:52 |
| tseliot | seb128: any hints as to where I should look at to force DPI as they used to do in Hardy? libgnome? | 09:54 |
| seb128 | tseliot: changing the gconf key will change the default value, ie what gnome-settings-daemon apply | 09:54 |
| chrisccoulson | asac - bug 287715 | 09:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287715 in consolekit "Trying to shut down or restart falsely suggests others are logged in" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287715 | 09:57 |
| asac | chrisccoulson: cool. | 09:59 |
| seb128 | tseliot: | 09:59 |
| seb128 | gnome-rr-config.c: * dpi 96. | 09:59 |
| seb128 | gnome-rr-config.c: width_mm = (width / 96.0) * 25.4 + 0.5; | 09:59 |
| seb128 | gnome-rr-config.c: height_mm = (height / 96.0) * 25.4 + 0.5; | 09:59 |
| seb128 | tseliot: that's the revelant xrandr capplet code I think | 10:00 |
| tseliot | seb128: great, thanks, this what I was looking for :-) | 10:00 |
| Keybuk | seb128: didn't the gnome keyring issue get fixed yet? | 10:51 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: which one? | 10:55 |
| Keybuk | seb128: I have no gnome keyring | 10:56 |
| Keybuk | System -> Preferences -> Encryption and Keyrings | 10:56 |
| Keybuk | "A supported PGP passphrase caching agent is not running" | 10:56 |
| seb128 | the gpg agent is seahorse | 10:57 |
| seb128 | do you have seahorse-plugins installed? | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | yes | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | seahorse-plugins2.26.1-0ubuntu1 | 10:57 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: let me try something | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | I have a ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent-info-quest file | 10:59 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: do you have gnupg-agent installed? | 10:59 |
| Keybuk | that contains GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/gpg-*/S.gpg-agent:* | 10:59 |
| seb128 | if you do uninstall it and restart your session | 10:59 |
| Keybuk | ah, yes, I do have gpg-agent installed | 11:00 |
| seb128 | it hijacks seahorse | 11:00 |
| Ampelbein | seb128, Keybuk bug 183514 | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | it's a recommend of gnupg | 11:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 183514 in seahorse-plugins "seahorse-agent stops responding when started with gpg-agent" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183514 | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | seb128: should that Recommends be demoted to a Suggests? | 11:03 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: I'm not sure, it might be useful in non GNOME cases, maybe ask on #ubuntu-devel for opinions | 11:04 |
| huats | hello everyone ! | 11:04 |
| huats | hi seb128 | 11:04 |
| seb128 | perhaps it could be a gnupg-agent | seahorse or something so it doesn't get installed in default ubuntu | 11:04 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 11:04 |
| * Tm_T have noticed that seahorse is happily destroying all gpg settings | 11:05 | |
| Tm_T | and that is while I don't use seahorse at all, just have it installed (: | 11:07 |
| seb128 | you should be using it if you have it installed ;-) | 11:08 |
| Tm_T | seb128: well, that would mean I have to recreate all my gpg settings and keys and... | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | I don't see any reason why I should use it, though, so I keep holding it away from my systems | 11:09 |
| seb128 | I don't use gpg enough to have an opinion | 11:09 |
| seb128 | I'm just signing emails and packages to upload | 11:10 |
| seb128 | and I didn't have to reconfigure anything | 11:10 |
| Tm_T | same here, mostly, but also svn | 11:10 |
| Tm_T | and ssh | 11:10 |
| seb128 | seahorse found my gpp key automagically and acts as a gpg agent correctly | 11:10 |
| Tm_T | actually ssh (and svn with it) | 11:10 |
| seb128 | dunno why you think you would have to reconfigure your gpg configuration | 11:10 |
| seb128 | ssh is managed by gnome-keyring not seahorse | 11:11 |
| Tm_T | seb128: seahorse had all empty | 11:11 |
| seb128 | and there again it uses the system config | 11:11 |
| Tm_T | seb128: I don't use gnome (:) | 11:11 |
| seb128 | you don't have to configure anything, it just lists available keys automatically | 11:11 |
| Tm_T | seb128: but it didn't do that | 11:11 |
| seb128 | you should have opened a bug then describing the issue | 11:12 |
| Tm_T | all what it did, was emptied my .gnupg/ dir | 11:12 |
| seb128 | it deleted your private key?! | 11:12 |
| Tm_T | seb128: yes, all of it | 11:12 |
| seb128 | weird | 11:12 |
| Tm_T | indeed | 11:12 |
| seb128 | first time I read about a such issue | 11:12 |
| seb128 | and most of the distro team is using it | 11:12 |
| seb128 | there is no reason it would delete any key | 11:12 |
| seb128 | I guess it's something else on your install but your blamed it on seahorse | 11:13 |
| Tm_T | seb128: also I had many times issues with gnome stuff forcing themselves to be autolaunched in my KDE sessions after install | 11:13 |
| seb128 | autostart is a freedesktop spec | 11:13 |
| seb128 | those are not GNOME specific | 11:13 |
| Tm_T | seb128: I know, but forcing to autolaunch metacity... | 11:13 |
| seb128 | nothing force anything | 11:13 |
| seb128 | again if you have a specific issue you should open a bug | 11:14 |
| seb128 | some desktops might need an NotShowIn=KDE | 11:14 |
| seb128 | but we don't use KDE so we will not notice | 11:14 |
| Tm_T | aye, I have to see if it reoccurs | 11:14 |
| seb128 | if you don't open a bug you get what you deserve | 11:14 |
| Tm_T | as I have broken hardware now so cannot really try to find and report bugs | 11:14 |
| seb128 | ok, so you will keep getting GNOME things started on your KDE session | 11:15 |
| Tm_T | did yes, until I manually cleaned that stuff from those autorun dirs | 11:16 |
| Tm_T | these funny and weird issues occured ~6 months ago I think | 11:16 |
| Tm_T | I assume that I had installed some -default-settings type package that did something unexpected back then | 11:17 |
| Tm_T | ok, baby woke, will harrass you later (;) | 11:18 |
| chrisccoulson | downgrading packages is not really supported is it? | 11:43 |
| jpds | !downgrade | 11:44 |
| ubottu | Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system. | 11:44 |
| chrisccoulson | i was referring about downgrading individual packages, but i think that is not really supported by the package manager anyway | 11:45 |
| chrisccoulson | the only reason i ask is becuase someone opened a bug against brasero because it failed to downgrade from 0.9.1 to 0.8.2. It fails because the package was split between these 2 versions, and there are no conflicts/replaces to handle the downgrade | 11:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i was just wondering whether to close it | 11:46 |
| seb128 | yes, close it as invalid, downgrade are not supposed to be working | 11:48 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks seb128 - done | 11:50 |
| pochu | seb128: thanks for libproxy sponsorship | 12:17 |
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| Laney | is 2.26.1 finished? | 14:24 |
| seb128 | Laney: sort of, jaunty is frozen so any other update will have to be a sru after jaunty stable next week | 14:27 |
| Laney | frozen for rc? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | Laney: yes, and between rc and stable we will get only selected bug fixes not new versions | 14:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: as it's not in the repos yet, I will make people work on gnome-terminal for tomorrow's lesson :) | 14:28 |
| Laney | got it | 14:28 |
| Laney | didrocks: And the prize is getting it uploaded? :) | 14:29 |
| didrocks | Laney: hum, well, I already prepared it, so, no :p | 14:29 |
| Laney | :( | 14:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks: k | 14:29 |
| didrocks | Laney: but it's a good candidate: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/361053 | 14:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 361053 in gnome-terminal "Please, sponsor gnome-terminal 2.26.1 to jaunty" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:30 |
| didrocks | you have b-d bumps | 14:30 |
| didrocks | not applying patches | 14:30 |
| didrocks | and autotool use :) | 14:30 |
| didrocks | so, I hope people can learn some stuff from this :-) | 14:31 |
| Laney | all in 15 mins? :O | 14:31 |
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| didrocks | Laney: I think the 15 minutes goal is just a dream :) | 14:50 |
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| superm1 | mvo, ping. i was talking to seb128 about a zenity focus bug yesterday, and he advised I speak with you about it. bug 272083 | 15:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 272083 in mythbuntu "Zenity windows appear underneath others" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272083 | 15:29 |
| superm1 | we (mythbuntu) didn't catch it recently late due to xfwm4 not doing focus right until recently, so we were attributing the "new" focus problem to xfwm4 | 15:29 |
| mvo | superm1: hello. give me a minute, I check it out when I'm finished with my current task | 15:35 |
| superm1 | mvo, hi, sure, please treat the ping as asynchronous, i didn't mean to detract you from something else :) | 15:36 |
| mvo | superm1: thanks :) np | 15:37 |
| * kenvandine_wk heads out for lunch... bbiab | 18:06 | |
| rickspencer3 | vuntz: hi! | 18:37 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 18:37 |
| vuntz | rickspencer3: doh, you spotted me :-) | 18:40 |
| rickspencer3 | lol | 18:40 |
| l0ser140 | somebody knows something about this: i was synchronized evolution using webDAV, I have a login "user@domain.com", but evolution cut off all after @. remains only "user"? need help) | 18:55 |
| dobey | l0ser140: #ubuntu would be a better place to ask... this isn't a support channel | 18:59 |
| l0ser140 | but what it deals with? xD | 19:00 |
| dobey | this is a development channel | 19:01 |
| l0ser140 | ok, thx) | 19:01 |
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| rickspencer3 | bryce: so far Option "EXAOptimizeMigration" "off" seems to be working well | 19:39 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: is that the 2d performance tweak? | 19:50 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine_wk: it's a suggested option to replace MigrationHeuristic "greedy" | 19:54 |
| kenvandine_wk | ah | 19:55 |
| rickspencer3 | if you have intel graphics and aren't too happy with the perf, you could test it out | 19:55 |
| kenvandine_wk | i am very happy with the performance with UXA :) | 19:55 |
| rickspencer3 | UXA is not crashy for you? | 19:56 |
| kenvandine_wk | rock solid | 19:56 |
| kenvandine_wk | without it... it sucks.. | 19:56 |
| rickspencer3 | In any case, it would probably help out to test EXA | 19:56 |
| kenvandine_wk | i will | 19:56 |
| rickspencer3 | a comparison would help | 19:57 |
| kenvandine_wk | after i finish a few install tests... can't kill X with these VMs running | 19:57 |
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| rickspencer3-afk | heh | 19:57 |
| bryce | rickspencer3-afk: \o/ | 20:06 |
| rickspencer3-afk | bryce: in general, it seems that compiz "slows down" as I use the computer | 20:09 |
| rickspencer3-afk | so I'll let you know in a few hours | 20:09 |
| bryce | ok | 20:09 |
| rickspencer3-afk | cover flow is my "test case" :) | 20:09 |
| bryce | I've also asked slangasek to re-test, since he's the one that saw the flaw with greedy | 20:09 |
| bryce | btw, I have a very strong lead on the freeze issue now too (testing it presently...) | 20:10 |
| rickspencer3-afk | ! | 20:10 |
| bryce | heh, unfortunately, with latest updates now networkmanager is losing its mind | 20:11 |
| kenvandine_wk | i need to kill pidgin for a bit.. taking up way to much ram :) | 20:17 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3-afk: did you test UNR on your netbook? | 20:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm noticing some really odd nautilus behaviour here :/ | 20:57 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: which one? | 21:15 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128. if i have nautilus in icon view, and then zoom in at greater than 100%, i see a lot of white space in the right hand-side of the window, causing the horizontal scroll bar to appear | 21:16 |
| seb128 | which scrollbar? | 21:17 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: similar to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460044 | 21:17 |
| seb128 | ? | 21:17 |
| chrisccoulson | the horizontal one at the bottom of the window. it seems to appear for no reason | 21:18 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 460044 in GtkIconView "A way to space out the columns evenly" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 21:18 |
| seb128 | look at the first screenshot | 21:18 |
| chrisccoulson | that's quite possibly related, but in this case, nautilus shows the scrollbar | 21:18 |
| seb128 | are you sure there is not a colum on the left which is not on screen? | 21:19 |
| seb128 | I get a scrollbar here but I also get a column not on screen | 21:20 |
| seb128 | but that's buggy indeed, you have lot of spacing on the right which is not useful | 21:20 |
| chrisccoulson | there doesn't appear to be any other columns. is there anywhere decent i can upload a screenshot too? it might be easier for me to explain that way | 21:21 |
| chrisccoulson | this seems to have only started in the last day or so | 21:21 |
| seb128 | try downgrading gtk maybe and see if that's still an issue | 21:21 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks, i'll try that shortly | 21:22 |
| seb128 | or nautilus | 21:22 |
| seb128 | "* Fix icon view RTL layout in compact view" is in the new version | 21:22 |
| seb128 | which means layout changes, could have some side effects | 21:22 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - the behaviour breaks between nautilus 2.26.1 and 2.26.2 | 21:28 |
| chrisccoulson | doesn't seem to be gtk related | 21:28 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll open a bug report on the bugzilla | 21:28 |
| seb128 | right, what I wrote just before | 21:29 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it seems like that | 21:29 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks:) | 21:29 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 21:29 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 21:30 |
| chrisccoulson | good night pitti | 21:30 |
| kenvandine_wk | night! | 21:30 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: you can try undoing the most recent change on http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/nautilus/trunk/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c | 21:32 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: when you have a bug open give me the number I will try to ping alex about it tomorrow | 21:32 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks, i'll do that | 21:33 |
| seb128 | in fact there is several recent commits | 21:33 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll try and narrow it down this evening if i get the chance | 21:33 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - gnome bug 579086 for the nautilus issue | 21:39 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 579086 in Views: Icon View "Excessive white-space on right-hand side in icon view since 2.26.2 upgrade" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579086 | 21:39 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: thanks | 21:39 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll try and spend some time isolating the commit that broke it shortly, but i need to get my stuff ready for work first | 21:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: no hurry, you might want to wait tomorrow to see if alex see the issue directly or need extra infos | 21:45 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i don't mind doing that | 21:45 |
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| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: I run UNR, but I use desktop mode | 22:14 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: "Low" for that policykit-gnome bug seems almost generous :-) | 22:17 |
| chrisccoulson | heh ;) | 22:17 |
| chrisccoulson | we need a "very low" ;) | 22:17 |
| chrisccoulson | i just had a look at some other policykit-gnome bugs | 22:18 |
| chrisccoulson | one of them is actually a common gnome-panel bug that keeps confusing people | 22:18 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: unr RC won't install on my classmate, but the beta is fine | 22:18 |
| * kenvandine filed a bug | 22:18 | |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 22:18 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: is that the one that I was triaging the other day? | 22:19 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: I haven't installed it since alpha 5 | 22:19 |
| chrisccoulson | about the "Set System Time" button doing nothing? | 22:19 |
| chrisccoulson | that's a confusing gnome-panel issue | 22:19 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: yeah, right at the end I found those bugs and realised it was probably that, but Mike didn't confirm | 22:20 |
| chrisccoulson | it seems most likely the same bug, so I just marked it as a duplicate | 22:21 |
| seb128 | the "set" button should probably be next to the combo and not close the dialog | 22:21 |
| seb128 | combo -> spin buttons | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - that might make more sense | 22:22 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - the current situation is a bit inconsistent. If I open time-admin, I need to be in the admin group to set the time. But any user can do it via the panel. It seems that the policy is different for the 2 separate actions | 22:24 |
| seb128 | would not be a surprise since they are 2 different softwares | 22:25 |
| james_w | yeah, there's a bug on gnome-panel saying it should be one of "auth_admin*" | 22:26 |
| seb128 | that could make sense | 22:27 |
| chrisccoulson | is there any easy way of working out what symbols i'm missing in gdb? | 22:56 |
| seb128 | use apport-retrace if that's a crash? ;-) | 23:03 |
| seb128 | or look at the address and the process mapping to see what library matches it | 23:04 |
| chrisccoulson | apport's not possible here. it's an abort i'm trying to debug. i'll have a look at the addresses and process mapping though | 23:06 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm actually trying to debug a g_critical message in file-roller. I'm running it with G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals to make it abort so I can see where it comes from. is that the best way of doing that? | 23:07 |
| seb128 | yes | 23:08 |
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