| asac | so for packging changes you add new bullet points to topmost changelog entry. | 00:00 |
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| hjmf | OK it is safe then for (i.e. 3.1) to not modify the version number firefox-3.5 (3.5~b4~hg20090330r24021+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) jaunty; urgency=low | 00:01 |
| hjmf | in 3.2 it's pretty clear because of the tag UNRELEASED | 00:01 |
| hjmf | firefox-3.6 (3.6~a1~hg20090330r26723+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low | 00:02 |
| asac | hjmf: so 3.1.head has jaunty on top? | 00:02 |
| hjmf | yes | 00:02 |
| asac | hjmf: this means no new bullet points can be added there | 00:02 |
| asac | hjmf: so just run a dch -i -DUNRELEASED | 00:02 |
| asac | and add your text there | 00:03 |
| hjmf | OK | 00:03 |
| asac | leave it at UNRELEASED | 00:03 |
| asac | whoever uploads the change will do a release commit that flips that to jaunty (or karmic or whatever) | 00:03 |
| hjmf | I remember changing by hand those numbers in the past | 00:04 |
| asac | ;) | 00:04 |
| asac | yeah. dch is nice too ;) | 00:04 |
| asac | its more failsafe | 00:04 |
| asac | hjmf: only thing is you have to set your name and email properly to env i think | 00:05 |
| asac | env | grep DEB | 00:05 |
| asac | DEBEMAIL=asac@ubuntu.com | 00:05 |
| hjmf | I've just tested it right now, yeah! pretty cool | 00:05 |
| asac | hjmf: oh another cosmetic nit for changelog bullet points: we usually use the "- update|add|remove path/to/file" below the changelog entry in mozilla branches | 00:07 |
| asac | hjmf: there should be a bunch of examples | 00:07 |
| hjmf | OK taking note | 00:08 |
| asac | but i think thats only how we do it. so for other projects its usually * path/to/file: changed this and that | 00:08 |
| hjmf | The last one | 00:08 |
| asac | :) | 00:08 |
| hjmf | asac: should I fill a bug for each branch before proposing the merge | 00:09 |
| hjmf | ? | 00:09 |
| hjmf | asac: just to see which are the best practices | 00:09 |
| asac | hjmf: no need to. merged should be enough. you refer to the same bug everywhere | 00:09 |
| hjmf | OK | 00:09 |
| asac | hjmf: you can add the firefox-3.5 target to the bug (for the firefox-3.1 branch) | 00:09 |
| asac | hjmf: click on "Also affects distribution" ;) | 00:10 |
| asac | and select firefox-3.5 | 00:10 |
| hjmf | I'm doing it :) | 00:10 |
| asac | sorry for the naming confusion. we didnt come to rename firefox-3.1 branches to 3.5 yet | 00:10 |
| hjmf | Package firefox-3.6 not published in Ubuntu | 00:11 |
| hjmf | OK then | 00:11 |
| asac | hjmf: yeah. thats only trunk. we dont have that in archive | 00:12 |
| asac | merge request is just enough | 00:12 |
| hjmf | lets do it, let me some minutes :-) | 00:12 |
| asac | hehe | 00:12 |
| asac | hjmf: look at this too: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.head/revision/395 | 00:16 |
| asac | its even better to refer to authors with email imo | 00:17 |
| asac | we try to remember to do that ;) | 00:17 |
| hjmf | OK | 00:17 |
| asac | Bug 228806 | 17:53 |
| asac | that one is fun ;) | 17:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 228806 in firefox-3.0 "[MASTER] various unrelated crashes for firefox-3.0 and xulrunner-1.9" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/228806 | 17:53 |
| asac | mozilla bug 488311 | 17:56 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 488311 in Autocomplete "Typing in various forms around the web causes Firefox 3.5b4pre to crash [@ nsFormFillController::SetPopupOpen(int) ]" [Blocker,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488311 | 17:56 |
| armin76 | asac: mozilla bug 448658 | 18:21 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 448658 in Phishing Protection "nsUrlClassifierDBService has bad alignment, causes SIGBUS" [Critical,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448658 | 18:21 |
| armin76 | [reed]: add whoever should be for review, plz :) | 18:22 |
| mconnor | asac: so, where can I find a libnotify API doc? | 22:10 |
| fta | mconnor, libnotify-doc? | 22:12 |
| mconnor | fta: which is where? | 22:13 |
| BUGabundo | yayyyyyyyyyyy pidgin is working again on freenode! | 22:13 |
| mconnor | er, you get the docs by installing the package? | 22:13 |
| mconnor | that's... special | 22:14 |
| fta | mconnor, yes | 22:14 |
| fta | most people don't need docs for system libs | 22:14 |
| mconnor | and if you're not running linux, and you want to understand soemthing someone jammed into your source tree without the right reviews? | 22:14 |
| mconnor | why aren't they on the web? | 22:14 |
| mconnor | why are they something you would have on your system? | 22:14 |
| mconnor | seems like that makes things harder, not easier | 22:15 |
| BUGabundo | fta so what's up with LP and karma? | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | haven't had the time to read the Answer on it | 22:16 |
| fta | http://www.galago-project.org/docs/api/libnotify/ | 22:16 |
| fta | BUGabundo, no idea, i just see mine going off the charts | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | fta I saw! crazy | 22:19 |
| mconnor | fta: that's current? | 22:25 |
| fta | not sure, i'll install libnotify-doc | 22:26 |
| fta | 0.3.2 vs 0.4.5 | 22:26 |
| mconnor | thanks | 22:27 |
| mconnor | I'm at home, I don't have access to VMs etc | 22:27 |
| fta | mconnor, want a zip/tar.gz of 0.4.5 ? | 22:28 |
| fta | it's tiny | 22:28 |
| mconnor | fta: that'd be great | 22:28 |
| mconnor | you can just drop it in email if you want | 22:28 |
| fta | mconnor, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/libnotify.tar.gz | 22:30 |
| fta | that's all of libnotify-doc 0.4.5 | 22:30 |
| mconnor | fta: awesome, thanks | 22:31 |
| mconnor | It seems like that'd be easy to automate and put somewhere searchable | 22:32 |
| mconnor | but clearly making everyone add packages is better | 22:32 |
| mconnor | or... something :) | 22:32 |
| fta | some devs prefer to have access to docs offline | 22:32 |
| fta | and once installed, you're sure your docs match your libs, both are updated at the same time | 22:33 |
| asac | mconnor: libnotify is basically a wrapper lib around http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/0.9/index.html | 22:34 |
| asac | mconnor: online docs are usually published by the upstream project - which makes sense somehow | 22:34 |
| asac | e.g. we don't republish MDC on ubuntu.com or something | 22:34 |
| mconnor | asac: sure | 22:34 |
| mconnor | I just don't know why you'd have a package for docs | 22:34 |
| asac | if they fail to update their online docs, its not much we can do :) | 22:35 |
| mconnor | it seems strange as hell to me | 22:35 |
| mconnor | anyway, I have the answers I need now! | 22:35 |
| asac | mconnor: its handy. first: you dont rely on the project still being online (could be abandoned or bankrupt or so on) | 22:35 |
| asac | secondly you dont need to search the web for the libs you have available in ubuntu | 22:35 |
| mconnor | I tend to avoid relying on abandoned projects where I can ;) | 22:36 |
| asac | so its a redundant service to also produce the docs during build (which is easy) | 22:36 |
| mconnor | so should I assume that ubuntu's libnotify doesn't deal with callbacks at all? | 22:37 |
| mconnor | or is that just a guideline? | 22:37 |
| asac | mconnor: obviously its bad to rely on something abandoned. but in this sense distros also help to preserve existing knowledge/code, so someone can adopt software or parts of it | 22:37 |
| asac | mconnor: ubuntu libnotify should be compatible with the spec. even actions are supported. they are just not supported in a shiny fashion | 22:38 |
| mconnor | ok | 22:38 |
| * mconnor hits some Mozilla people with a hammer | 22:38 | |
| asac | mconnor: the idea is to use org.freedesktop.Notifications.GetCapabilities to check for the "action" capability | 22:39 |
| asac | and if thats not available, dont send it | 22:39 |
| asac | mconnor: yeah. the right implementation for toolkit should get action support | 22:39 |
| mconnor | I also think mpt's on crack, if I had time to write about why those guidelines are worse for users, I'd ahve done it by now | 22:40 |
| asac | mconnor: do it. open discussion can only help if done in a professional fashion | 22:40 |
| mconnor | giving up booze has lessened my propensity for angry rants | 22:40 |
| mconnor | asac: yeah, I know | 22:41 |
| mconnor | one can hope, at least | 22:41 |
| asac | mconnor: so what reviews were missing on the libnotify commit? | 22:43 |
| asac | didn't that have review/superreview? | 22:43 |
| mconnor | asac: ui-review, review from an actual toolkit peer | 22:43 |
| mconnor | actually, I guess roc's kinda/sorta the right peer, even though this was in a different part of the code tree | 22:45 |
| mconnor | but it changed interaction model, and broke a capability that toolkit components (and strings) assume is there | 22:45 |
| asac | mconnor: ui-review for something that isn't enabled? | 22:45 |
| mconnor | it's not enabled? | 22:45 |
| asac | mconnor: right. for now i would assume its work in progress | 22:45 |
| asac | mconnor: afaik its not enabled by default | 22:46 |
| asac | could be that that changed recently though | 22:46 |
| mconnor | it's possible that some builds don't have it | 22:46 |
| mconnor | but reading the patch, it looks like if libnotify is available, we use it | 22:46 |
| asac | i think you need --enable-libnotify | 22:47 |
| mconnor | possible | 22:47 |
| asac | for builds with that flag it will be used once libnotify is available on system, yes. | 22:47 |
| mconnor | ok, less annoyed now | 22:48 |
| asac | ;) | 22:48 |
| mconnor | but | 22:48 |
| asac | but | 22:48 |
| asac | there is always a but ;) | 22:48 |
| mconnor | we should ui-review stuff when it's being implemented, not at the end | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | is it possible to have spyware on ubuntu? I just got a pop up page when clicking on a gmail link | 22:48 |
| mconnor | anything's possible | 22:49 |
| mconnor | it's software | 22:49 |
| asac | mconnor: yeah. i can talk to ventnor how to best finish this work. i agree that the implementation should be complete | 22:49 |
| mconnor | whether people are bothering... I dunno | 22:49 |
| mconnor | asac: since ventnor was talking about needing to change strings, I think he thinks it's complete | 22:49 |
| asac | mconnor: have you seen him recently online? | 22:50 |
| mconnor | no | 22:50 |
| mconnor | sec | 22:50 |
| asac | i think i send him a mail a few weeks ago, but he never replied. wonder if he declared mail-bankrupt for that email address ;) | 22:50 |
| mconnor | could be | 22:50 |
| mconnor | hasn't been online in seven weeks, according to firebot | 22:51 |
| asac | mconnor: heh. hmm. | 22:51 |
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