[01:10] LjL: I just got in there, but when I checked backscroll, someone told him the rm syntax then got disconnected, next you know he is saying home folder is gone...so I figured innocent combination of circumstances [01:11] genii: could be. i have my doubts about it, but then i guess i sometimes underestimate people's utter stupidity [01:11] i'll make it into a redirect [01:13] Something like "Two things may be infinite, the universe and human stupidity...and I'm not sure about the universe" comes to mind..... [01:19] LjL: unban me plz [01:20] Seeker`: ... you're not banned? [01:20] oh, there's a +d [01:20] you forgot to remove it :P [01:20] -03:20:07- [freenode] ~s~ Cannot join to channel #ubuntu-release-party (You are banned) [01:20] -release-party officially opens 22nd or 23rd? [01:21] genii: it officially opens when debian says so [01:21] genii: ask #debian [01:21] genii: tell everyone to ask #debian [01:21] genii: (don't) [01:21] Hmm [01:23] tsimpson: Don't lose faith in ppl, only *some* of them aren't worth having faith in [01:24] sometimes, I wish the clue-bat wan't metaphorical... [01:24] LjL: I recall once being sent to #debian on some ubuntu question, man did they lambast me [01:25] It's just cruel to send ppl there..... [02:11] Guess we should keep an eye out for DrCheese now in the other spots. I saw them first in #x and now -offtopic .... [02:11] and +1 [02:11] anyway drcheese is ntfs is john_nel, check the bantracker [02:13] I always forget to check it :( [02:16] ScottK called the ops in #ubuntu-devel () [02:27] PM: [03:16:31] you cant see me [02:28] i think that's the time he trolled #ubuntu-devel [02:28] and he's now trolling #gentoo-ops [02:28] !staff | DrCheese doesn't need to be on this network [02:28] DrCheese doesn't need to be on this network: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [02:28] Ampelbein: hi, how can we help you [02:29] LjL: i think i came here by accident. [02:29] will leave now. [02:30] uh [02:30] @bansearch Ampelbein [02:30] No matches found for ampelbein!n=andreas@ubuntu/member/ampelbein in any channel [02:30] *shrug* [02:31] In #ubuntu-offtopic, rww said: Ubottu's syntax is so wonderfully inconsistant [02:32] !no\ u > rww [02:32] Sorry, I don't know anything about no\ u [02:32] !no\ u-#ubuntu-offtopic > rww [02:37] LjL: yes, it was me ;) [02:39] tsimpson: it could have been you or jussi. it's not jussi because his client is not attached, so it's you. [02:40] LjL: I don't even think jussi knows about it yet [02:41] About what? [02:41] it's a plugin that "accidentally" got into ubottu [02:41] * Flannel has been reading scrollback, can't figure it out. [02:41] Flannel: this [02:41] oh, a tell sort of thing? [02:42] Or, say, i suppose. [02:42] yeah [02:42] but locked to anyone but "Owner"s [02:42] Is that a separate plugin? or just supybot? [02:42] right [02:42] That's core supybot, I thought [02:43] well I wrote it a while ago, it just has send and do, but it was for my dev-bot [02:43] it got synced into ubottu sometime [02:43] ubottu: action probably has got more [02:43] * ubottu probably has got more [02:43] it was just for debugging some stuff [02:43] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:44] umm, Reply isn't supposed to be loaded, oh well [02:45] ubottu: action thinks my owner isn't very good ad adminning me [02:45] * ubottu thinks my owner isn't very good ad adminning me [02:45] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:45] we can still see your message [02:45] you can? [02:45] yes [02:45] +v shouldn't allow that [02:45] [02:45] ubottu: action thinks my owner isn't very good ad adminning me [02:46] oh, MY +v [02:46] of course. [02:46] ah, yes [02:46] anyway. [02:47] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:47] tsimpson: :/ [02:47] heh [02:47] @load Reply [02:47] The operation succeeded. [02:47] * ubottu thinks LjL wouldn't be that much better at all. Perhaps jdong, at least we'd have a good laugh [02:58] I still wonder why ubottu goes twice everytime i @lart someone in -offtopic [03:00] genii: because it reads the command twice [03:00] LjL: Hahahaha the judo chop one was so .... ironic.... [03:09] so please ping me personally if you guys have any more trouble at all from someone you suspect to be DrCheese/NTFS [03:10] stew, if you're planning to be in this channel, perhaps we could add you to the !staff factoid? [03:11] LjL: please [03:12] done [03:37] Hmm. !panels has: "Did you panels disappear? ..." I think it needs an "r" in there... [03:40] !panels [03:40] To reset the panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel » [03:41] genii: where? [03:42] tsimpson: #xubuntu [03:42] !panels-#xubuntu [03:42] Did you panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/ [03:42] !panels-#xubuntu ~/you/your/ [03:42] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:42] !panels-#xubuntu ~= /you/your/ [03:42] Nothing changed there [03:42] Weird [03:42] erm, I know how to do it, really [03:43] !panels-#xubuntu ~= s/you/your/ [03:43] !panels-#xubuntu [03:43] Did you panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/ [03:43] gerrr [03:43] !no panels-#xubuntu is Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/ [03:43] I'll remember that tsimpson [03:44] * tsimpson whacks ubottu with the "Work-Damn-It" bat [03:47] again, I MUST ask... [03:47] why, oh why, is Fujisan in -ot? [04:16] "random_asshole" in #u [04:16] (a heads-up) [04:22] !idle [04:22] Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [04:24] I need to be unbanned from #ubuntu please [04:24] You should all format your hard drives and switch to gentoo. [04:25] That was a joke. No sense of humor? [04:25] Nope [04:25] Very unfortunate. [04:25] Please return in 24 hours after you have read the coc for ubuntu, thanks [04:25] You're not very nice! [05:07] Damn. Everyone's abandoning ship or something [05:09] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [05:09] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [05:09] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [05:36] genii: its stinking! its stinking! [05:36] er, sinking. [05:37] Maybe both... [05:55] * genii-around kicks jussi01's quassel core a bit [05:57] * genii sips experimentaly [05:57] upside down? [05:57] from the backside of your cup? [05:57] Damn. Forgot I need to setup Konversation for cloak, etc [05:58] Flannel: I think that is what is described in the movie "Airplane" as a drinking problem.... [06:33] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:33] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:33] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [06:34] areje battering me with dcc requests for files [06:39] which channel? [06:39] #k? [07:29] Flannel, what gives? [07:30] CaptainMorgan: It became obvious your question wasn't real? [07:31] sigh. [07:31] and he goes back to doing it. [07:33] * genii hands Flannel a refreshing beverage of some sort [07:34] When he asked if he needed a password to power on his computer, and then when I replied with "yep, you have to type in your password to turn the power on" and it didn't phase him... [07:35] I suppose its ignorance instead of malice. [07:35] Probably [07:35] Then again maybe he has some BIOS password or who knows [07:36] No, no. He's asking about it. He started out trying to tell us that full disk encryption was when you had to type your password to log in. [07:38] But, I may just be irritable. Seems to be happening recently. [07:42] Me too, a bit. Sometimes good to take a break [08:36] Flannel, while stupidity isnt as bad as malice, both are equally dangerous. [08:37] Interesting, didn't know tsimpson was stdin til his exit mask showed up [09:16] * genii sips and waits impatiently on hold [09:27] * jussi01 slaps genii around with a large trout... [09:27] Ouch! [09:27] Wow, it's 4:30AM already. I better get a nap before work [09:28] * genii smells like fish at both ends now [09:28] jussi01: Core seemed to go flakey a bit, my msgs are in #quassel [09:33] Jak_o_Shadows = panarchy I think [09:35] Registered : Apr 14 02:50:30 2009 (1 day, 05:44:14 ago) [09:47] christel: be interesting to see if Jak_o_Shadows asks for a cloak shortly in #freenode [10:01] @mark #ubuntu histo giving out bad advice - not thinking before offering suggestions [10:01] The operation succeeded. [10:14] In ubottu, DJones said: !hotmail is As of March 12, 2009, POP3 access is now available to all Hotmail users, please see http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!32413.entry for configuration options for your email client [10:14] holy hell, did the sky fall down [10:16] hell has frozen over [10:38] again? [10:38] yes [10:52] seeing something like this makes me uneasy [10:52] [12:51] < amishtechie> you can use this to find and deelete files find . -type f -name "FILE-TO-FIND" -exec rm -f {} \; [10:53] it's well formated [10:53] I'm not saying it's not [10:54] no, I'd be more worried if it was a bit sloppy [10:54] it's just something I'd rather not see anyone suggest to a newbie who just asked how to remove all .txt files in a dir [10:54] yes, [10:54] -exec rm -fvi {} \; [10:56] I myself have limited understanding about the bits and pieces in rm and find [10:56] so I would never give that kind of advice to anyone [10:58] and what does this do: [12:57] < aaditya> bolt_: try `sudo init 6` [11:08] WastePota1o hugs PulseAudio <3 <-- he is not in the channel; how is he doing that? [11:09] which channel is he doing that in ? [11:10] here ikonia [11:10] in -opss ? [11:10] I can't see that [11:10] ar eyou sure your client is not borked ? [11:10] my issis sometimes leaves other channels spilling into my current [11:10] Not with +n set, he can't. [11:11] I can't see him saying anything in -ops [11:11] or -ot or #u [11:11] odd, I logged in, and saw that here [11:12] irssi spillage ? [11:12] perhaps xchat weirdness here [11:13] never heard of #free-as-in-node though [11:15] Myrtti: Puts the system into rRunlevel 6 aka reboot. [11:17] jpds: so he suggested that to a flash problem [11:17] nice. [11:17] Myrtti: who did that ? [11:18] mega, here is bolt_ [11:22] ikonia: [12:57] < aaditya> bolt_: try `sudo init 6` [11:22] Myrtti: him again [11:22] him and another guy where making dubious advice comments earlier [11:23] he seems to be full of them judging from lastlog [11:28] getting prv from bolt_ now telling me "youtube doesnt work" [11:29] popey: push him back into the channel [11:29] popey: trying to get him in line a bit over the last few days [11:29] ok [11:29] ta [11:29] @login [11:29] The operation succeeded. [11:34] wonder if barbadillo in #kubuntu is the same as banned joker [11:35] -ops-mon picks up nothing [11:36] sure has a foul mouth and attitude [11:37] * ikonia has eyes on [11:40] bolt_ is suddenly off the beta and back on intrepid? hmm (same questions about 'remote not working') [11:41] fed up of histo and his smart mouth [11:41] aaditya: I didn't ask you to join #ubuntu-ops [11:41] aaditya: do you need anything ? [11:41] yes whatup [11:41] histo: one moment [11:41] ikonia: curiosity brought me here.. [11:42] please part [11:42] is this area restricted? [11:42] alright [11:42] ikonia: you can message me if you want. [11:42] aaditya: ok - well please check the topic and if there is nothing you want [11:42] histo: what's with the attitude ? [11:42] histo: aaditya a user suggested init 6 (reboot) to fix a remote control issue - [11:43] how is that an "init lecture" [11:43] ikonia: for some reason when you first started talking it just set me off. [11:43] ikonia: you rubbed me the wrong way so to say from the get go. [11:43] ikonia: then I was just messing with youj. [11:43] histo: why because you gave someoen the wrong advice and got corrected [11:43] ikonia: when I came in to the conversation my advice would have worked. [11:43] histo: no - it wouldn't [11:44] ikonia: he was asking how to stop X not permanently when I got there. [11:44] telling someone to go to init 1 to resolve an X issue is not needed [11:44] single usr mode is not needed as I explained [11:44] listen i'm not going to argue about it I really could care less. [11:44] then please keep smart mouth comments to yourself in #ubuntu [11:45] I'm not going to allow someone to advise someone to reboot to fix a remote control issue - and I certainly don't appreciate smart comments about it [11:45] seriously? [11:45] wow. [11:45] yeah, seriously [11:45] some people are unbelievable. [11:46] not really - just asking for you to consider what you say in a support channel [11:46] i've been around for a long time, I can't believe some peoples attitudes either. I left you alone made one comment and you have a major bug about it. [11:46] Keep in mind a voluntary support channel. [11:46] histo: that has nothing to do with it [11:46] histo: there was no need for a smart mouth comment - especially when someone was dishing out poor / dagouers advice [11:47] i'm getting no where with you and there is no point to discuss it further. [11:47] since when has "voluntary support channel" meant you're allowed to give bad/smartass advice? [11:47] or that it's ok? [11:47] if you don't think my advice was proper then dont' listen to it. [11:47] I'm lost here [11:47] histo: we know it wasn't pr... [11:47] fine [11:47] nah - thats not acceptable [11:50] * Myrtti looks at bolt_ boggle eyes [11:50] s/eyes/eyed/ [11:51] @mark #ubuntu-ops histo smart mouth/attitude [11:51] The operation succeeded. [11:51] I'm sure he'll be back now I've put a forward on [11:51] more fun ahead [11:52] seriously ? [11:52] histo: I'm sorry I had to forward you back here - but you left before actually completing the conversation [11:52] I don't wish to speak with you. [11:52] is that not accetible to you. [11:52] your behavioru in #ubuntu is unacceptable [11:53] histo, this needs to be resolved [11:53] so unless we address it and get an agrement there is no way to move forward [11:53] bottom line is just think about what you say in the support channel [11:53] You do what you feel is necessary. [11:53] there are is no need for smart comments, everyone makes mistakes about advice, myself included, but the smart comments aren't the way to go [11:54] I'm done with the matter, and over it. [11:54] well you can ignore this conversation as much as you like as until you sit down and get in agreement you won't be going back in to #ubuntu [11:55] histo: so - I'm done with it too for the moment [11:55] I think thats a little rediculous. Consittering the issue at hand. [11:55] come back when you want to not be over it and talk about it [11:55] thanks [11:55] What is there to talk about? [11:55] I made a suggestion you didn't like it. It t'd me off and I made a coment. [11:56] here we are. [11:56] that's not how it went as well you know [11:56] THen how did it go in yoru mind? [11:56] I pulled someone else up for making a dangerous advice/command to someone - and you made a smart mouth comment about more init lecturs [11:56] the thing is, while we know some comments and "solutions" some people choose to give at #ubuntu are not good, usually the people they're really given to don't. [11:56] histo, we all saw it. [11:57] IS THAT NOT WHAT I JSUT SAID. [11:57] I seriously am conserting leaving the communtiy. [11:57] thats your decision to make [11:57] but I'm only talking about this incident in irc [11:58] and what resolution do you want? [11:58] I'm just asking you (again) to consider the comments you make in the support channel, [11:58] Its in the past as I said. [11:58] I will I haven't comented since, and I most likely will not to avoid getting banned in the future. [11:58] if you want to take that childish attitude - thats your call to make [11:59] you've not commented because you've been banned from the channel [11:59] I'm not taking a childish attitude. [11:59] so that doesn't make any sense [11:59] all I'm asking is to just consider what you say to people, [11:59] I feel that you are being childish I dropped the issue. But yet you want an appology or a cookie or something from me. [12:00] I'm not disucssing it further while you have this attitude [12:00] unbelievable. [12:00] hrm [12:00] Myrtti: am I being unreasonable here? [12:01] You dont seem able to accept the remote possibility that you might have made a mistake. [12:01] I admitted I did [12:01] scroll up [12:01] I made a suggestion he didn't like. [12:01] then he corrected it [12:01] no you didn't [12:01] that set me off. [12:01] you have not [12:02] I made a smart comment. [12:02] Thats what I said earlier. [12:02] scroll up [12:02] How is any of that not accepting what happened. That is INDEED what happened. [12:02] so all I was asking that you consider what you say to people in the channel in future, that's it [12:03] there was no need for the smart comment, less so when someone was offering a dangeourous command, [12:03] so if you can just consider what you say in the channel - thats all I'm asking [12:04] I will consider that other people will disagree with my advice and I have to accept that. [12:04] LIKE I SAID ABOVE [12:04] it's not about the advice [12:04] you still don't get it [12:05] its about the smart comment? [12:05] that's why I asked you to join [12:05] Like I explained I was upset with the way you started in about my advice. [12:06] unop called the ops in #ubuntu (thissux) [12:06] Thats how the smart comment came about. [12:06] apt-get install hydrogen? [12:06] I knkow that [12:06] oops [12:06] I know that - that doesn't make it "ok" - hence why I'm asking you to clam down - and think about what you say [12:07] Then why do you think I still don't get it? [12:07] because you keep going on about disagreeing with your advice [12:07] Well because thats what set me off. [12:07] was the way you did it. [12:07] not to interject too randomly i hope, but i think people are just getting sore fingers... [12:07] I understnad that [12:07] yes [12:08] but perhaps it would be best to let the issue rest with the ban in place for a day or two if it is not already resolved satisfactorily? [12:08] there are plenty of ubuntu and oss channels in the meantime, histo. [12:08] I can't believe i'm being banned for this. I think some of you should look at the logs. [12:08] Moniker42: I'm happy to resolve it, I don't think there was mallive there, it just seems hard to get histo to agree to clam down and just agree to think about what he says [12:08] * Myrtti feels grumpy with a sore bum [12:09] and by looking at the logs I mean look at years past and see how long i've been around and giving advice, and just because of one incident that i'm already over but ikonia won't get over i'm banned. [12:09] I'd be ready to assume good faith here with everything histo has said here [12:09] but YMMV [12:09] This is really disapointing me. [12:09] histo: no-one is disputing your service, [12:09] histo: it's not a hard thing sto say "yup, no problem" when asked to calm down and consider what you say [12:10] a cooling off period might be best. [12:10] its not really service its somethign to do with my free time, and if you think i'm going to appoligze thats not going to happen. I've listened to what you've said its a stupid issue and i'm done discussing it WITH YOU. [12:10] I'm not asking for an apologee - although to be honest, it would be nice manners [12:10] ok - lets drop discusing it then - the ban will stay [12:10] histo: if there is nothing else - please leave the channel [12:11] Its not going to happen, and I'm quite sadden and I feel that this is an abuse of your power. [12:11] ok [12:11] I've stated what happened even said that "i would consider it in the futre" as ikonia wished but that is still not good enough for him. I just want others to know that. [12:11] your making it up now [12:12] hehe Myrtti [12:12] SCROLL UP [12:12] 12:04:40 < histo> I will consider that other people will disagree with my advice and I have to accept that. [12:12] thatnk you [12:12] not the same thing [12:12] I will consider it in the future that other people will disagree with my advice and I have to accept that. [12:13] Is that better? [12:13] thats "I'm right, and I just accept that you might think I'm wrong, but I'm still right in my head and will carry on giving duff advice even if you think it's wrong" [12:13] because I am right. [12:13] it's not about the advice [12:13] histo: it's about your smart comments [12:13] When I came in to the room someone asked how to stop X. I said you can init 1 [12:13] Ikonia said that's the improper way blah blah blah. [12:13] Will that not stop X? [12:13] no [12:13] it not the ideal way to do it [12:13] it will take it to single user mode [12:14] will IT NOT STOP X? [12:14] histo: it will stop a lot of other things too, which isn't what is wanted [12:14] I'm dropping this now [12:14] this is not about the advice - I said everone makes mistakes [12:14] ie. you're giving WRONG advice [12:14] the ban will stand [12:14] not good advice imo [12:14] agreed, not ideal advice [12:14] As I saw the users problem it sounded like the right advice. Then the user talked about stopping x on boot. I suggested using update-rc.d to stop gdm from starting etc.. I realized I was wrong. [12:14] this is nothing to do with the advice - this is because of the uneeded smart mouth comments - which I've said a few times in here [12:15] but I dont talk to bots either :) [12:16] Like I explained you commenting on my advice (which is not the issue to you) is what set me off to make the smart comments. I said I would accept people critizism in the future. [12:16] What do you not understand ehre? [12:16] s/ehre/here [12:16] the fact that a.) you've not said you'll control your smart mouth comments and not do it again b.) your attitude in here [12:17] If i'm willing to not get upset again that would control my smart mouth comments correct? I'm solving the cause of the problems. [12:17] I don't know that - [12:17] You are failing to see this and continuing on your tirad [12:17] I've asked you about 5 times to just agree to control your mouth and think about what you say and you seem to be unable to say "yeah, sure, no poblem" [12:17] or even "sorry about that" [12:18] What do you think my statment was. It not only acknowledged the problem I stated it wouldnt' happen in the future. [12:18] I didn't see that hence why I kept asking for a clear response [12:18] I've said it three times now. [12:18] the anger seems unwarranted about this histo [12:18] What anger? [12:19] histo: I'd request you come back in a few hours when you may have clamed down and can answer with a clear "no problem, I'll control my mouth in the channel in future" statment - and maybe as I said earlier "sorry" wouldn't hurt just for manners [12:19] I'm not discussing this any more [12:20] this doesn't seem to be going anywhere but endless contradiction, would you not think it best to let this cool off for a wee while? (histo: and as this is a no-idling channel, that means you'll have to /part) [12:20] Moniker42: agreed, it's going on where anymore [12:21] @mark #ubuntu-ops histo just bizzarre attitude/anger and inabilty to say "won't happen again" [12:21] The operation succeeded. [12:21] did I read that totally wrong ??? [12:21]