[01:26] <ricochet> uh hello?
[01:27] <cody-somerville> Hello
[01:28] <ricochet> whats up
[01:28] <cody-somerville> Not much.
[01:28] <cody-somerville> How are you?
[01:29] <ricochet> so what are you running xubuntu on?
[01:29] <ricochet> ohh pretty good thanks for asking
[01:29] <cody-somerville> I'm running it on an Acer Aspire 3000
[01:30] <ricochet> nice, how does it run?
[01:31] <ricochet> are you running Jaunty or Hardy?
[01:31] <cody-somerville> Jaunty
[01:31] <cody-somerville> Runs great
[01:31] <ricochet> dude, i love jaunty on my dell mini 9
[01:31] <ricochet> there were only a few tweaks and it runs like a dream
[01:32] <ricochet> i am a bit of a noob in linux, but i am slowly learning more and more
[01:35] <cody-somerville> :)
[01:35] <cody-somerville> I used to be the same way
[01:56] <DrCheese> Linux is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches.
[01:57] <genii> DrCheese: Why bother trolling here?
[01:57] <genii> Bah
[01:57] <cody-somerville> heh
[01:58]  * genii hands out a round of coffees
[01:58] <cody-somerville> Thanks.
[01:58]  * charlie-tca nods
[01:59] <genii> cody-somerville: Anytime
[02:15] <Orbital85> Hola, alguien habla espanol?
[02:16] <charlie-tca> !es
[02:16] <Orbital85> espanyol
[02:16] <charlie-tca> We use English here. But most items will be the same in Ubuntu and Xubuntu
[02:16] <Orbital85> pero mi problema es con XUBUNTU
[02:17] <charlie-tca> I don't really speak spanish
[02:17] <Orbital85> yo si :D
[02:17] <charlie-tca> XUBUNTU/UBUNTU same
[02:19] <Orbital85> really
[02:19] <Orbital85> ?
[02:19] <charlie-tca> really
[02:20] <charlie-tca> xfce - gnome is the difference
[02:20] <charlie-tca> mostly same
[02:20] <Orbital85> i do not have panels
[02:20] <Orbital85> :D
[02:20] <charlie-tca> !panels
[02:20] <charlie-tca> easy then
[02:22] <Orbital85> how to open a terminal whit alt + f2?
[02:22] <Orbital85> my firefox don't work
[02:22] <charlie-tca> hold alt down and hit F2
[02:23] <Orbital85> and?
[02:23] <charlie-tca> it should open a one-line terminal
[02:23] <charlie-tca> then type  xfce4-panel  and hit enter
[02:23] <Orbital85> ready
[02:25] <charlie-tca> that should have give the panels back
[02:25] <Orbital85> Firefox don't work, i use Isecat
[02:25] <Orbital85> nop
[02:25] <Orbital85> Icecat is not instaled
[02:25] <charlie-tca> did the terminal open?
[02:26] <Orbital85> yep
[02:26] <charlie-tca> for firefox, you need to change permissions in ~/home
[02:26] <Orbital85> i opening the links in icecat
[02:26] <Orbital85> ok
[02:27] <charlie-tca> sudo chown -R your-username:your-username /home/your-username/.mozilla
[02:27] <charlie-tca> will probably fix firefox
[02:28]  * genii hands charlie-tca a coffee
[02:28] <charlie-tca> thank you very much
[02:28] <charlie-tca> I needed that
[02:28] <genii> charlie-tca: Anytime :) I see you took notes from earlier
[02:28] <charlie-tca> yes, I am still learning myself
[02:29] <Orbital85> drwxr-xr-x  6 miguel miguel 4.0K 2009-04-12 21:35 .mozilla
[02:29] <Orbital85> drwxr-xr-x  4 miguel miguel 4.0K 2009-04-11 20:49 firefox
[02:29] <charlie-tca> If you use the "-R" it fixes it all the way through the directories.
[02:30] <genii> Orbital85: If firefox still refuses to start after the permissions change, you can try starting it in safe mode from command line
[02:30] <Orbital85> i use ls -ahl
[02:30] <genii> Orbital85: This prevents the extensions from loading so that you can see if any of them are what is making the problem
[02:30] <Orbital85> ok i reboot
[02:31] <genii> Hm. Left before I could explain not the computer in safe mode but just firefox with:  firefox -safe-mode
[02:33] <charlie-tca> gotta be quick
[02:34] <charlie-tca> but did he do the chown or just an ls?
[02:42] <Orbital85> You think that the problem with firefox is that:
[02:42] <Orbital85> miguel@xubuntu-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox/vkuuxfit.default$ ls -l places.sqlite-journal prefs.js sessionstore.js
[02:42] <Orbital85> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 78488 2009-04-10 20:12 places.sqlite-journal
[02:42] <Orbital85> -rw------- 1 root root 14737 2009-04-10 19:41 prefs.js
[02:42] <Orbital85> -rw------- 1 root root  1652 2009-04-10 20:06 sessionstore.js
[02:43] <charlie-tca> yes, that is why you run the chown command. It fixes those permissions. Root should not own anything in .mozilla
[02:44] <Orbital85> ok only trhee files
[02:52] <Orbital85> firefox seems to work well
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Great!
[02:55] <Orbital85> but the bar google don't work fine
[02:56] <Orbital85> i reinstall
[02:56] <charlie-tca> That is an add-on.
[02:56] <charlie-tca> At least firefox works now
[02:57] <Orbital85> yes
[03:12] <Orbital85> ok ready, thanks
[03:12] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[03:13] <slimjimflim> hi my wifi-radar is broken in ibex
[03:13] <slimjimflim> can anybody help?
[03:13] <slimjimflim> i just upgraded
[03:27] <Orbital85> how to recover my panels?
[03:28] <charlie-tca> !panels
[03:29] <Orbital85> hooo, thanks
[03:29] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[04:27] <owen1> i had 'place' icon on the top panel and it's gone. how to bring it back. i can't find anything relevant on 'add new item' option.
[05:03] <owen1> i found the issue, i had to install the places plugin.
[05:37] <jyf1987> hello,everyone,i have an question,that i want to add a autostart cmd to my system,my os is ubuntu8.10,and i installed xfce4 by apt  ,but after i have write the cmd to /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc   ,i found the cmd do not autostart everytime
[05:38] <jyf1987> so how to solve it ?
[05:47] <genii> !autostart
[05:48] <jyf1987> !boot
[05:48] <genii> The down and dirty fast way is just make a file called .startx and put in it the name of the command and then a & after the name
[05:49] <genii> (or it may be xsession or so, forget atm)
[05:49] <jyf1987> genii: but i found startxfce4
[05:51] <genii> jyf1987: I'm primarily on KDE so gave the desktop-environment agnostic version
[05:53] <genii-around> Apologies, my Quassel core cut out
[05:54] <genii-around> If you did not get my last msg... Since i am primarily on KDE I gave the desktop-environment-agnostic version of how to automatically run apps
[05:56] <genii> OK, back
[05:57] <jyf1987> genii: thx and i will got a try
[06:01] <pjz_> I'm testing jaunty xubuntu and my media-control keys don't work... I can't find a bug for it in the db, but I find some simialr ones.. is this a known issue?
[06:03] <genii> pjz_: Maybe ask in #ubuntu+1
[07:26] <usermake_> how can i get the alternate cd installer (expert mode) to detect and reuse my lvm on encrypted partition?
[09:04] <Iskr> hello
[09:05] <cody-somerville> Hello
[09:05] <Iskr> my xubuntu (last release)
[09:05] <Iskr> refuses to suspend to ram correctly after last updates
[09:06] <Iskr> it goes to suspend but then doesn't come back to life correctly
[09:07] <Iskr> i can't explain very well how it is
[09:07] <cody-somerville> How so?
[09:07] <Iskr> it's as if the computer is on again
[09:07] <Iskr> (i can hear the fan)
[09:07] <Iskr> but the screen doesn't turn on
[09:18] <genii> Probably an ATI video. They forget what crt/lcd is attached when hibernated and so on, then never do a rescan
[09:18] <Iskr> i use an nvidia video card
[09:19] <Iskr> and yes the driver was just updated
[09:19] <Iskr> i can try with a downgrade
[09:19] <genii> If possible do ctrl-alt-F1 and see if you can get a console and login. If you can login, restart gdm
[09:19] <Iskr> nono i tried
[09:19] <Iskr> i also tried ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:19] <Iskr> i tried every possible combination of keys
[09:20] <genii> Hm. Are the 3 keyboard lights all blinking on and off together?
[09:20] <genii> (this means kernel panic)
[09:20] <Iskr> no
[09:20] <TheSheep> do they work when you press capslock or numlock?
[09:20] <Iskr> i forgot to try =P
[09:39] <Iskr> i try first of all to bring it back to the previous drivers
[09:39] <Iskr> and then if the problem persists i'll try to light the capslock
[09:39] <Iskr> and will come back
[09:40] <Iskr> thanks
[09:58] <slimjimflim> anybody got a bcm4318 running on intrepid?
[10:20] <lintel> hi, I installed Xubuntu 9.04 on an external USB-drive and though it runs fine I can not browse the internal drive of my laptop :( -- is Thunar that limited? Also Gigolo fails with the error "you are not supposed to show G_IO_ERROR_FAILED_HANDLED in the UI" -- any suggestions?
[11:24] <EdgEy> how can i edit the Applications menu in xubuntu ? i can't find a menu editor
[11:25] <charlie-tca> Is this in Jaunty?
[11:26] <SiDi> :p
[11:26] <EdgEy> i'm guessing this is popular then ;p yes
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[11:26] <charlie-tca> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[11:26] <SiDi> EdgEy, if you want to edit, for instance, abiword, copy the /usr/share/applications/abiword.desktop to ~/.local/share/applications and modify it with a text editor
[11:27] <SiDi> EdgEy, you can also use alacarte but it wont work for setting wether the menu entry should be shown or not (yet it'll work for changing the name / icon / command of the app)
[11:30] <EdgEy> thanks :)
[11:33] <remink> yo!
[15:03] <archman> Hello
[15:03] <charlie-tca> !hi | archman
[15:04] <archman> On whom depends the release of a xfce 4.6 backport for intrepid after the Jaunty is out? Will we the ones who dont want to upgrade to Jaunty need to wait a month or so :D? :-/
[15:05] <charlie-tca> It depends heavily on the developers having time to backport it. There will be wait, but I don't know how long it will be.
[15:05] <archman> So devs of xfce or ubuntu packagers?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> devs of Xubuntu
[15:06] <archman> ok
[15:07] <archman> btw.: I've already tried installing 4.6 from ppa, but all I got when logging to it was a black screen. Maybe some clues?
[15:08] <charlie-tca> Follow the instructions to add it to your sources: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[15:09] <charlie-tca> If you just installed 4.6, it probably won't work. You actually do an upgrade to it.
[15:09] <charlie-tca> Install it in a tty using ctrl+alt+f2, log in, type "sudo apt-get update", hit enter. When that finishes, type "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", hit enter. Restart your computer, if it doesn't work, run the upgrade again.
[15:09] <charlie-tca> Sometimes it has to be done twice for some reason.
[15:15] <archman1> Sorry, my net crapped out
[15:16] <archman1> charlie-tca, you said something more?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Follow the instructions to add it to your sources: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[15:16] <archman1> Done that
[15:16] <archman1> ;)
[15:16] <archman1> but why dist-upgrade?
[15:17] <charlie-tca> So, it adds/changes the needed dependencies
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Sometimes when you do it, you have to go to Ctrl+Alt+F2 and run the upgrade again to make it work.
[15:17] <archman1> btw, I didn't install xfce-desktop, nor xubuntu by default...
[15:18] <archman1> just xfce4
[15:18] <archman1> package
[15:18] <archman1> with my default ubuntu
[15:18] <archman1> (gnome, sure)
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Then it may not work, either.
[15:18] <archman1> hmm...:(
[15:20] <archman1> Maybe it's best to wait for the backport then...hope it'll work, I see there are some major improvements
[15:20] <archman1> I hate one thing about 4.4.2
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Why not install xubuntu, completely?
[15:20] <charlie-tca> at least xubuntu-desktop
[15:21] <archman1> oh, hmm... i don't really know...
[15:21] <archman1> I should reinstall everything from scratch anyway
[15:21] <archman1> ...
[15:21] <archman1> I upgraded from Gutsy
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Even the backport of 4.6 may not work as a stand-alone
[15:21] <archman1> :(
[15:22] <archman1> I need you to tell me something if you know how to do it...I'll make a screenshot
[15:22] <archman1> can't explain
[15:22] <charlie-tca> You could install Jaunty next week, when it comes out. It includes 4.6
[15:23] <archman1> yes...
[15:24] <archman1> charlie-tca: http://i40.tinypic.com/24nfwch.png
[15:25] <archman1> How to resize the button, so it appears "normal-sized"
[15:25] <archman1> ?
[15:26] <charlie-tca> Don't know. It looks like you are using a single panel, with a non-default theme
[15:26] <archman1> yeah...
[15:26] <charlie-tca> Might depend on the theme itself.
[15:27] <archman1> Yours was normal when you used 4.4?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> yes, but I also used the default theme in it with Xubuntu 8.10
[15:28] <charlie-tca> When you only add xfce, I don't know what the results are.
[15:28] <archman1> ok, thanks for your help!! :)
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Also, the theme author can tell it how big/small to make that box
[15:29] <archman1> crap I don't even know how to change a theme here!, noob to xfce...
[15:30] <archman1> oh! user interface
[15:30] <archman1> in settings manager
[15:30] <archman1> yeah, the default theme is used...
[15:31] <archman1> nvm :)
[15:31] <archman1> thx
[15:35] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:01] <Ruadh> Hi
[16:01] <Slonkie> Hello Ruadh
[16:02] <Ruadh> How's things? Slonkie
[16:02] <Slonkie> fine, and u?
[16:02] <Ruadh> I'm goodtoo
[16:03] <Ruadh> When does RC for xubuntu come our?
[16:03] <Ruadh> our/out
[16:04] <charlie-tca> tomorrow
[16:04] <Ruadh> release candidate
[16:04] <charlie-tca> still tomorrow
[16:04] <Mood> if i have ibex, and jaunty becomes official, how do it upgrade everything? simply sudo apt-get upgrade/install?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> We are testing today
[16:05] <Mood> it/I?
[16:05] <Ruadh> Thanks, charlie-tca
[16:05] <Mood> !upgrade
[16:05] <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[16:06] <charlie-tca> yw, Ruadh
[16:15] <genady12lap> hey, how do I support samba shares in tunar?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> !samba
[16:16] <genady12lap> its not it
[16:16] <charlie-tca> !smb
[16:16] <charlie-tca> no again, huh?
[16:16] <genady12lap> fusesmb is not so good
[16:16] <Ruadh> bbl
[16:16] <genady12lap> but smbnetfs wont autostart
[16:16] <charlie-tca> What about pyneighborhood?
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Jaunty will have gigolo, which is easier
[16:17] <genady12lap> I have the jaunty beta
[16:17] <genady12lap> oh I see
[16:17] <genady12lap> but its not interated
[16:18] <charlie-tca> under systems -> Remote Filesystems ?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Once it is connected, you should be able to see the shares in Thunar
[16:19] <genady12lap> when I start it manually its ok but from the startup its not working
[16:20] <genady12lap> maybe because there is no net, but I dont know
[16:20] <charlie-tca> What about just adding the windows directories to /etc/fstab so they will automount at boot
[16:21] <genady12lap> I don't want it that why, I don't know the shares
[16:22] <genady12lap> the problem it works but not with auto start
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Maybe someone else knows an answer, I don't use windows.
[16:43] <genii> I'm pretty sure Thunar doesn't normally do smb:// and so on
[16:48] <SiDi> it doesnt
[16:48] <SiDi> use gigolo in jaunty
[16:48] <SiDi> and for intrepid/hardy pyneighboorhood or nautilus
[16:48] <SiDi> or mount them manually :p
[17:34] <n2diy> how do you enable file/folder sharing in xubuntu?
[17:37] <cody-somerville> Applications > System > Shared Folders
[17:38] <n2diy> cody-somerville: thanks, any relationship with Somerville, NJ., USA?
[17:39] <cody-somerville> Not at all
[17:39] <n2diy> cody-somerville: ok, thanks.
[17:39] <cody-somerville> ;)
[18:03] <n2diy> cody-somerville: are you still hanging out here?
[18:03] <cody-somerville> yup
[18:05] <n2diy> cody-somerville: ok, I did the sys>admin>share, and told it to install the sharing software, and wound up in a loop. After the software installed, I was told it wasn't installed, so I re-installed, and the same thing happened. Do I need to log out and in again? Restart something?
[18:05] <cody-somerville> Restarting might do the trick
[18:06] <n2diy> cody-somerville: 10-4
[19:15] <charlie-tca> !daily
[19:16]  * charlie-tca kicks the robot
[20:14] <n2diy_> can you setup xubuntu as a file server?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:15] <n2diy_> charlie-tca: ok, any howto handy.
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I do it with NFS for three other systems
[20:15] <charlie-tca> !nfs
[20:16] <Slonkie> or you can use an FTP server
[20:16] <Slonkie> not sure about NFS, but with FTP you can access it from outside your lan (if you have the proper port open in your router)
[20:21] <charlie-tca> I don't think it is secure to open to the outside
[20:22] <knome> sftp is way better
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Seems like NFS has security issues
[20:43] <Sniper606> I am using the xubuntu 9.04 beta and for some reason my /etc/fstab is blank. Is there an easy way to fix this?
[20:44] <charlie-tca> You can put entries in if you need to.
[20:45] <charlie-tca> If you don't use a separate /home, I believe that is the new default. I could be wrong, though
[20:46] <Sniper606> so you are telling me a blank fstab is normal?
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Appears to be on Jaunty.
[20:46] <Sniper606> sudo touch forcefsck doesn't work and I assume its because my fstab is blank
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Would be my guess.
[20:47] <Sniper606> does anyone else here not have an fstab
[20:48] <Sniper606> or have a blank one anyways
[20:48] <Slonkie> Where is fstab stored? (forgot it :/)
[20:48] <Sniper606> cat /etc/fstab
[20:48] <Slonkie> Mine isen't blank
[20:49]  * charlie-tca raises hand for blank
[20:49] <Sniper606> hrm
[20:49] <charlie-tca> on fresh Jaunty default install
[20:49] <Slonkie> i updated from intreped -> jaunty
[20:49] <knome> not blank, but i don't have a fresh install
[20:49] <charlie-tca> But feel free to populate it
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I do, because I add drives and NFS directories
[20:50] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu-server populated it
[20:50] <Sniper606> I think when the official release comes out and I am gonna wipe this and reinstall with ext4 instead of ext3 anyways.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> That seems risky. ext4 still has issues with losing things
[20:52] <Sniper606> i heard it had been patched
[20:52] <charlie-tca> It has, but still is not as solid as ext3
[20:53] <Sniper606> Is the new beta not the best release of any distro ever tho
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Of course, it does need to be tested long term
[20:53] <Sniper606> they really outdid themselves this time i love it
[20:53] <charlie-tca> I think it is the best, but I am prejudiced
[20:53] <charlie-tca> I have done extensive testing of it
[20:54] <Sniper606> same here and you know what I havent had any serious problems
[20:54] <Slonkie> may i ask why it's better?
[20:54] <Sniper606> well its much faster
[20:54] <Sniper606> seems more stable
[20:54] <Slonkie> faster where? on boot or on write/read ? :S
[20:55] <Slonkie> where/how
[20:55] <Sniper606> both!
[20:55] <charlie-tca> It works, it is prettier, it does run on my old hardware, it doesn't eat up resources
[20:55] <Slonkie> Cool
[20:55] <Sniper606> yeah im using way less ram on 9.04 beta than on 8.10
[20:55] <Sniper606> i like the new login screen
[20:55] <Slonkie> me too
[20:55] <charlie-tca> yeah, I noticed that too
[20:55] <charlie-tca> new login screen and new background on the desktop!
[20:55] <Sniper606> you know what we need tho is a descent menu editor
[20:56] <knome> that new artwork sucks!
[20:56] <Sniper606> this release doesn't even have a menu editor or if it does i cant find it
[20:56] <charlie-tca> that won't happen until Xfce4.8
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Only sucks if that is a good thing!
[20:56] <knome> nah
[20:56] <knome> they are ugly
[20:56] <charlie-tca> No menu editor in Jaunty
[20:57] <Sniper606> i dunno how to edit my menus by hand
[20:57] <knome> Sniper606, edit the .desktop files :P
[20:57] <charlie-tca> let me give you a reference then
[20:57] <charlie-tca> [for 4.6] copy '/etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu to '~/.config/xdg/menus' and customize it.
[20:57] <charlie-tca> or [for 4.6] You can also create desktop entries in '~/.local/share/applications' to override the existing applications (change or hide) or add new ones.
[20:57] <charlie-tca> or http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[20:58] <charlie-tca> should be helpful
[20:58] <Sniper606> aight thx ill play with it and see if i can figure it out
[20:58] <charlie-tca> We won't need no stinking editor by the time we get it, huh
[20:58] <knome> Sniper606, feel free to ask if you have any problems
[20:59] <Sniper606> what happened the other day is an update put screensavers in my "other" category on my menu. i didnt know how to fix it.
[20:59] <Sniper606> but another update a day later fixed it
[21:00] <charlie-tca> yes, I got it reported and the devs got it fixed
[21:00] <Sniper606> so can anyone recommend a good wysiwyg html editor
[21:00] <Sniper606> i been using bluefish
[21:01] <Sniper606> but honestly im lazy and i need something that does most of the work for me haha
[21:07] <charlie-tca> that's my recommendation. I use bluefish and gedit
[21:07] <charlie-tca> nvu is pretty good, though
[21:09] <Sniper606> What are the advantages and disadvantages of having home on a seperate partition?
[21:10] <n2diy_> Sniper606: backing up and restoring is simpler, and so is upgrading.
[21:10] <charlie-tca> If it is a separate partition, it is easier to migrate when upgrading
[21:14] <Slonkie> every time i boot up xubuntu i get this error: ACPI: Invaled PBLK lenght [0] - Anyone know of an solution?
[21:16] <Sniper606> where do I go to file an xubuntu bug report, im gonna report the blank /etc/fstab
[21:16] <Sniper606> it might be a bug and it might not but either way I dont like it.
[21:16] <charlie-tca> !bugs
[21:17] <Sniper606> for some reason on my games menu theres always one game that doesnt have an icon too
[21:17] <Sniper606> if i install a new game it will sometimes bump it to another game
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Is that a game you install?
[21:18] <Sniper606> yah
[21:18] <charlie-tca> (with the missing icon)
[21:18] <Sniper606> right now supertux doesnt have an icon
[21:18] <charlie-tca> You should contact the game maintainer, because they did not include an icon with it.
[21:19] <Sniper606> yeah it had an icon
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Every application .desktop file has a place that they can state the icon to use, I think.
[21:19] <Sniper606> like say i install a new game right now
[21:20] <charlie-tca> It had one and it disappeared?
[21:20] <Sniper606> it might bump the blank icon to another game
[21:20] <charlie-tca> You should report the first game without the icon. If that gets fixed, it will not keep happening.
[21:31] <Sniper606> it might bump the blank icon to another game
[21:31] <Sniper606> oops
[21:32] <Sniper606> Well since I have no fstab and can't force a fsck with sudo touch /forcefsck, How else do I go about doing an fsck?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Sniper606: did you use the desktop cd or alternate cd to install?
[21:56] <Sniper606> live cd
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I will try to reproduce the missing fstab
[21:58] <Sniper606> i filed the bug report
[21:58] <charlie-tca> What is the number?
[21:59] <Sniper606> 361968
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[22:15] <kromar> hi
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Hello, kromar
[22:16] <kromar> if i set a programm to be the default for opening a file it always resets when i reboot. how can i fix that?
[22:20] <sunshine> I'm trying to get all users to use the same wine config. I linked to /home/public/.wine in every home directory and -R 777ed. but get "wine: /home/user23/.wine is not owned by you" (for all users)
[22:30] <SiDi> they need to OWN the files
[22:30] <SiDi> make a group called wine
[22:30] <SiDi> and chown your files with this group
[22:30] <SiDi> and add your users to wine group
[22:30] <SiDi> it should work
[22:36] <kromar> if i set a programm to be the default for opening a file it always resets when i reboot. how can i fix that?
[22:36] <SiDi> kromar, what version are you using ?
[22:38] <kromar> release 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-11
[22:38] <SiDi> And it happens for all files / apps ?
[22:38] <SiDi> The apps .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications, right ?
[22:39] <kromar> yes
[22:39] <SiDi> Ok then I don't know which configuration file manages this, but the most likely case is that you can't write on this file, though
[22:39] <sunshine> SiDi: did that, I still get the error
[22:40] <kromar> hmm
[22:40] <SiDi> sunshine, join #winehq and ask there, i know some people managed to do it. i'll be there anyways, i'll check this out with you in a min
[22:41] <SiDi> kromar, check that you own .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[22:42] <kromar> how do i check if i own it? o_O
[22:43] <sunshine> isn't there a way to set no owner or anybody owner?
[22:43] <SiDi> kromar, "ls -l .local/share/applications"
[22:43] <SiDi> tell me if its written kromar or root in its left
[22:43] <SiDi> sunshine, you can set a group to own the files :)
[22:44] <SiDi> sunshine, ls -l some of your files in the prefix, are you _sure_ its owning group is the "wine" group you created ?
[22:44] <kromar> SiDi: on the left is my user name
[22:44] <sunshine> oh, so how do I remove the owner owner and set only a group owner?
[22:47] <SiDi> sunshine, i suggest you ask in #winehq, there will be people there that should know better than me
[22:48] <SiDi> kromar, stay around please
[22:48] <kromar> SiDi: ok
[22:49] <sunshine> ok
[22:54] <SiDi> I can't find the file responsible for this, kromar
[22:54] <SiDi> you can try to chown your whole .config and .local folders to yourself, it might help, since it seems you cant write to the config file that hosts this
[22:54] <kromar> hm ok, could it be that i have to save the session manually before logging out?
[22:54] <SiDi> if it does nothing, please file a bug report
[22:54] <SiDi> normally its automatically saved
[22:55] <SiDi> unless your rights on the file are messed up (which normally happens only if you do stuff as root :p)
[22:55] <SiDi> (did you run sudo thunar, at least once ?)
[22:55] <kromar> i dont think i ever did that. what does it do?
[22:56] <SiDi> it'll run thunar as root, but with your own config files
[22:56] <SiDi> and it can mess your rights on those config files
[22:56] <SiDi> its the most likely case to cause your problem, actually
[22:56] <kromar> hm
[22:58] <SiDi> Please file a bug report in launchpad.net, if you can't find the solution
[22:58] <SiDi> either they'll tell you how to solve and turn it into a question, or if there's an actual bug they'll look at it later
[22:59] <kromar> well i dont really know how i could find the problem..
[22:59] <charlie-tca> You can ask in #ubuntu, also.
[22:59] <kromar> ok will try there
[23:00] <SiDi> charlie-tca, its a thunar problem
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Depends on what app, doesn't it? for example, jpg should open in viewer, etc
[23:00] <SiDi> charlie-tca, what i mean is, when he changes the file association, they're not saved
[23:01] <SiDi> on next reboot they're gone
[23:01] <charlie-tca> yeah, I tracked that down once. I can't remember the file it is in
[23:01] <SiDi> it really sounds like he cant write to the file in which customised file associations are written (or it doesnt exist and he cant write in the folder containing it)
[23:02] <kromar> i do a relog and see on what files this happens exactly
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Maybe ask in #xfce, then. JPohlmann2 around?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> JPohlmann2: knows all about xfce
[23:02] <SiDi> i'm in #xfce, asking
[23:02] <charlie-tca> and thunar
[23:03] <SiDi> JPohlmann2, you be our guru. we send you a cyber coffee if you help !
[23:03] <charlie-tca> only 10 installs to go
[23:03] <SiDi> its a pity i forgot my cd :(
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I took the 386 server, since I only had a few to do
[23:05] <charlie-tca> And I do all the 386 items on hardware
[23:05] <SiDi> kromar, the file is .local/share/applications/defaults.desktop
[23:05] <SiDi> please ls -l .local/share/applications and tell me if you own this file (and if it exists)
[23:08] <SiDi> btw, x86 server gonna be dropped for karmic, apparently
[23:09] <kromar> i only have a defaults.list
[23:09] <SiDi> and do you own it ?
[23:09] <SiDi> !paste
[23:10] <SiDi> put its content here please, and put there the result of "ls -l ~/.local/share" and "ls -l ~/.local/share/applications/"
[23:12] <Sniper606> Is it safe to install the 8.10 version of opera on the 9.04 beta?
[23:13] <iNNERDEATH> http://www.sexy-lena.com/?uid=451792
[23:13] <charlie-tca> Sniper606: why would you
[23:13] <Sniper606> because thats all thats available on the opera download site
[23:14] <charlie-tca> !opera
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Don't really know. You could try it and see if it works.
[23:16] <charlie-tca> If it is a .deb package, it should work. No guarantee, though
[23:18] <SiDi> kromar, is it working ?
[23:19] <kromar> seems to work
[23:19] <kromar> im gona reboot again, see if it really works^
[23:23] <kromar> SiDi: looks like it works:D thanks a lot
[23:23] <SiDi> kromar, you're welcome :)
[23:23] <SiDi> there probably was something messed in up defaults.list
[23:23] <SiDi> if it happens again, please post a bug report in launchpad.net
[23:23] <SiDi> and attach your file
[23:23] <kromar> an other question, is it possible that the file icon is changed to the icon of the default programm?
[23:24] <SiDi> kromar, for some files probably
[23:24] <SiDi> the mimetype icon files are in /usr/share/icons/<youricontheme>/scalable/mimetypes/
[23:25] <SiDi> and possibly also in 48x48/mimetypes/ 32x32/mimetypes/ etc
[23:25] <SiDi> you'ld need to remove the icons there and make links with the same name, that point to your app's icon
[23:25] <SiDi> that's a bit complicated and bothersome, but you *can* do it :P
[23:26] <kromar> so i have to change them manually?
[23:26] <SiDi> yeh...
[23:26] <SiDi> you can also make your own mimetype icons, package them into an icon theme, and make that icon theme depend on Human, for instance
[23:26] <SiDi> and it would use your icons for mimetypes, and Human for the rest
[23:27] <SiDi> thats painful too, though
[23:27] <SiDi> you could address a feature request to XFCE but i don't know if they'll do it
[23:29] <knome> SiDi, kromar: doesn't sound like something Xfce developers would be willing to implement.
[23:29] <SiDi> knome, i dont think either
[23:29] <SiDi> thats an heavy thing for what it is, and xfce doesnt like heaviness :P
[23:30] <knome> kromar, your best bet would be to write a script to replace all the mimetype icons
[23:30] <kromar> well as long as the file opens with the default programm there is no real need for it anyway^
[23:31] <kromar> i have an other problem with my audio, sounds like the processor or hd signal is mixed in:O
[23:31] <SiDi> !info dontzap jaunty
[23:32] <SiDi> what do you mean, kromar ?
[23:33] <kromar> not sure how to explain it, it sounds like some electrical signal is mixed into the sound... like a crackle or so
[23:34] <charlie-tca> You did not install pulse audio?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> That does do that
[23:35]  * charlie-tca going to eat again. back in a little bit
[23:35] <kromar> whats pulse radioi?
[23:36] <kromar> i only installed gmusicbrowser to play my files
[23:49] <SiDi> kromar, "ps aux | grep pulse"
[23:49] <SiDi> what's the output ?
[23:49] <SiDi> normally only one line, ending by "grep pulse"
[23:50] <SiDi> Do you also have Ubuntu(GNOME) installed ? if so then you might have pulseaudio installed
[23:50] <SiDi> Pulseaudio is a sound server, used under ubuntu but not under Xubuntu
[23:57] <Sniper606> something i dont get is why is ubuntu and xubuntu considered 2 different distros
[23:58] <Sniper606> its the same os with a different desktop environment
[23:58] <SiDi> no
[23:58] <SiDi> not exactly
[23:58] <Sniper606> explain
[23:58] <SiDi> we might want to ship different apps/packages, not only a different DE
[23:58] <Sniper606> i see
[23:59] <SiDi> having our own -desktop packages gives more possibility
[23:59] <SiDi> to ship what's most needed