[00:00] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you using it as docky?
[00:00] <BUGabundo> grrr heck nog
[00:00] <BUGabundo> Glass skin
[00:00] <Carrie_> ok?
[00:00] <bjsnider> now the tearing should have stopped
[00:01] <Carrie_> I think so :)
[00:01] <Carrie_> I turned that on in nvidia settings.. the vsync to blank thing.. i wonder why it didn't do anything? :(
[00:01] <bjsnider> it used to be necessary
[00:01] <Carrie_> oh it was under the opengl settings.. maybe that's why
[00:01] <bjsnider> well, compiz is using opengl
[00:01] <Carrie_> oh and i set it in "X Server XVideo Settings" too
[00:02] <Carrie_> sync to vblank
[00:02] <Carrie_> apparently it has to be set in compiz settings
[00:02]  * BUGabundo checks his vsync settings
[00:02] <bjsnider> the xvideo part will make videos play without tearing
[00:02] <BUGabundo> I don't have my vsync to black ON
[00:02] <BUGabundo> do I really need it ?
[00:02] <bjsnider> for opengl?
[00:03] <bjsnider> mine is off
[00:03] <bjsnider> i was being anal
[00:03] <bjsnider> i wanted to cover all bases
[00:03] <bjsnider> but the 180 series has moved beyond that now i think
[00:03] <BUGabundo> enabled it on both ccsm and nvidia settings for now
[00:03] <Carrie_> why isn't this enabled by default?
[00:03] <Carrie_> seems like it should be?
[00:03] <bjsnider> i have no idea
[00:04] <bjsnider> it's not nvidia's fault though
[00:04] <Carrie_> it's ubuntus or whatever :P
[00:04] <Carrie_> they integrated compiz
[00:04] <Carrie_> they should set the damn thing up right :P
[00:04] <Carrie_> Ok, so how can I disable that annoying loud beep when I shutdown the computer? :)
[00:04] <bjsnider> tearing is an annoyance but not a showstopper
[00:06] <Carrie_> no word on the beep?
[00:07] <BUGabundo> time to hit the bed!
[00:07] <BUGabundo> bye
[00:11] <JackWinter2> everything is nvidia's fault :)
[00:27] <noodlesgc> why did they remove the Shutdown and Logoff items from the System menu?
[00:27] <rww_> noodlesgc: Their functionality is duplicated in the Fast User Switcher Applet (the thing in the top right). If you remove that, the System items re-appear
[00:28] <noodlesgc> nice
[00:28] <noodlesgc> at first I thought it sucked, but thats awesome
[00:37] <matrixblue> wirechief, got any updates for me?
[00:37] <eseven73> Hey, does anyone have a link for a ebox version 1.0 .deb for jaunty? Ive tried searching through launchpad but I only see stuff for Hardy or older versions
[00:37] <wirechief> matrixblue: yes
[00:38] <wirechief> matrixblue: a user found if he removed the persistence  word from the grub boot line it would work
[00:38] <wirechief> matrixblue: i tested it and it works on my end too.
[00:38] <wirechief> matrixblue: so its the persistence that is gumming things up
[00:39] <matrixblue> Does persistence still work though?
[00:39] <wirechief> matrixblue: however for some reason that first .iso i got did not have a problem with that.
[00:39] <wirechief> i dont think so
[00:40] <matrixblue> wirechief, they probably changed something since that build that causes the problem
[00:40] <wirechief> that coding really defines where persistence stores its stuff.
[00:41] <matrixblue> wirechief, now we're once step away from solving the puzzle
[00:41] <wirechief> i have two 8gb, two 4gb a 1gb stick and now have 3 of those working
[00:41] <matrixblue> We should inform the developers
[00:42] <wirechief> well i think they get copied on the bug report
[00:42] <matrixblue> Which one did you do the regular install on?
[00:42] <wirechief> its not a regular install, its a .iso within the usb
[00:42] <wirechief> and of course you cannot update it with apt-get
[00:43] <wirechief> only if you download a whole new daily and rebuild.
[00:43] <wirechief> probably you could just save /home off to a partition and reload it
[00:44] <matrixblue> Do a regular install on one of the 8 GB
[00:44] <wirechief> i dont think you can.
[00:44] <matrixblue> wirechief, yeah you can
[00:44] <matrixblue> I did such an install on a 5 gig
[00:45] <Raylz> is there an alternative for sane?
[00:45] <matrixblue> just make sure on the last windows to set grub to install on the flash drive
[00:45] <matrixblue> that's important
[00:45] <matrixblue> wirechief, I'd remove my main HD just in case
[00:45] <wirechief> hmm well perhaps but i wonder how that is addressed with grub
[00:46] <wirechief> with a regular install it installs grub
[00:47] <matrixblue> wirechief, yeah it install grub
[00:47] <wirechief> unless you can install it to the /dev/sdb
[00:48] <wirechief> well i have thought about trying it on my backup for vista, shrink the partion and put in a ext3 for a install.
[00:48] <matrixblue> wirechief, yeah that's what I did
[00:49] <wirechief> but did you not say you were having troubles doing a du with it ?
[00:50] <matrixblue> wirechief, no my problems were with the usb-creator. The only problem with that was the space issue. My biggest flash is a 4 Gig and my fastest flash is a 2gig
[00:51] <Carrie_> So.. the Windows key (super key) + M apparently makes everything go into high contrast.. is there a way I can disable that and use that key-combo for something else?  I didn't see it in keyboard shortcuts, unfortunately...
[00:51] <wirechief> matrixblue: ok
[00:52] <Carrie_> ah think i got it.. a compiz setting called 'negative'
[00:56] <wirechief> matrixblue: i just thought that this persistence bug is really a feature, most older live usb's dont have persistence to save setting.
[00:56] <wirechief> matrixblue: well not most now.
[00:56] <matrixblue> wirechief, how many of those older USBs have the capacity to hold Ubuntu though?
[00:57]  * wirechief emptys pockets
[00:57] <wirechief> cant find any.
[00:59] <matrixblue> wirechief, exactly so bug not a feature
[00:59] <wirechief> ;)
[01:12] <matrixblue> wirechief, have you ever read 1984?
[01:12] <hackeron> hey, how do I disable ipv6 in jaunty?
[01:13] <matrixblue> hackeron, How did ipv6 get enabled?
[01:14] <hackeron> matrixblue: the kernel jaunty uses enabled ipv6 by default :(
[01:15] <hackeron> matrixblue: see for yourself: ifconfig | grep inet6
[01:15] <matrixblue> hackeron, I haven't come across ipv6. It's not even listed as an option when I'm configuring my networks
[01:15] <hackeron> matrixblue: and it's causing havoc with applications that can either bind to ipv4 or ipv6
[01:16] <matrixblue> hackeron, interesting...Which applications are these?
[01:16] <hackeron> matrixblue: motion for one (apt-cache show motion)
[01:16] <hackeron> mostly server stuff
[01:17] <matrixblue> hackeron, I would look at this page then http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7074098
[01:18] <matrixblue> hackeron, although the site uncharacteristically seems to be down
[01:18] <matrixblue> it's back up now
[01:19] <hackeron> heh, so you're saying I need to roll my own kernel?
[01:19] <EagleScreen> I have render glitches with Qt 4.5 in jaunty
[01:19] <rww> !ipv6 | hackeron
[01:20] <hackeron> ubottu: none of those methods work on jaunty
[01:20] <matrixblue> try this hackeron https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[01:20] <hackeron> matrixblue: again, none of these methods work on jaunty
[01:23] <matrixblue> hackeron, from skimming though these posts it doesn't feel like it can be done since it's built into the kernel
[01:23] <hackeron> matrixblue: it can be done in 2.6.29 or with a patch against 2.6.28 - any reason either of those aren't in jaunty? :(
[01:23] <matrixblue> hackeron, prolly because they haven't gotten around to it yet
[01:25] <hackeron> matrixblue: is 2.6.29 going to make it to jaunty? - it's been around for a while now
[01:25] <matrixblue> hackeron, sorry but this one is over my head
[01:26] <calc> hackeron: nothing new is going to make jaunty
[01:26] <calc> hackeron: RC is already done, 9.04 is effectively final barring any major bugs found
[01:26] <calc> hackeron: i think 2.6.30 will be the version in Ubuntu 9.10
[01:37] <GillesM> hello on kubuntu 9.04 xrandr doesn't work
[01:38]  * rww looks at his calendar
[01:38] <calc> hackeron: but way after feature freeze
[01:38] <rww> Aren't we due for huge amounts of "ZOMG WHAT IS RELEAS CANDIDTA ISO" sometime soon?
[01:39] <hackeron> calc: when was feature freeze?
[01:40] <calc> feb 19
[01:40] <hackeron> calc: hmm, I swear it was later than that in the schedule on ubuntu.com - oh well, lol
[01:40] <calc> 2.6.29 came out over a month after feature freeze
[01:40] <calc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[01:40] <calc> beta had already come out at the point 2.6.29 did
[01:40] <calc> hackeron: and the release is next week
[01:41] <hackeron> so we're stuck with forced ipv6 until the next ubuntu release? :(
[01:41] <matrixblue> calc, Can't he manually install 2.6.29?
[01:41] <calc> hackeron: no, if there is a bug related to that file the bug, ubuntu just won't upgrade to 2.6.29 but problems can still be fixed if they are important
[01:42] <calc> matrixblue: if he wants... but i somehow doubt the forced ipv6 has anything to do with kernel version
[01:42] <hackeron> calc: yeah, the bug is undecided since early alphas :(
[01:47] <mysticdarkhack> hello
[01:48] <mysticdarkhack> Has ubuntu update lastm which require libgpod3 ot maybe update it to libgpod4
[01:48] <mysticdarkhack> lastfm I meant
[02:28] <Lint01> why my system have both 2.6.28 and 2.6.27 kernels?
[02:28] <Zarlan> whenever I try and install restricted drivers using gui I get an error "jockey backend crashed"; is it possible to use apt-get or synaptic to dl the restricted drivers and configure them somehow?
[02:29] <Zarlan> @lint01 when the system upgrades it leaves the old kernel in place in case the new kernel breaks something major and you can't use it, removable via synaptic -- hope that helps
[02:30] <td123> Lint01: just use the latest one that works, Zarlan covered why
[02:32] <cspack> yes you can install the restricted drivers with apt-get or synaptic
[02:35] <billisnice> will madwifi be in the final release?
[02:36] <unixdawg> ewwww
[02:36] <Zarlan> thanks cspack
[02:36] <unixdawg> its no longer madwifi
[02:36] <unixdawg> its the eth5k project
[02:36] <billisnice> will it be ready?
[02:36] <unixdawg> eth5k works
[02:37] <billisnice> great
[02:37] <Lint01> aren't Atheros 5000 supported by this kernel?
[02:38] <Zarlan> in fact they are! I'm using an atheros 5000 right now
[02:38] <Zarlan> haven't had any trouble
[02:38] <Zarlan> madwifi is still offered as an alt driver though
[02:39] <billisnice> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:40] <billisnice> wrong window
[02:40] <billisnice> sorry
[03:06] <jorgejorgesson> Wow, 9.04 seems solid to me so far!
[03:10] <Lint01> why I cannot reboot my computer?
[03:10] <Lint01> syestem appears to be shutting down, but it starts up again, without reboot
[03:11] <Ienorand> Lint01: Is it doing a hibernation or something then?
[03:12] <Ienorand> Lint01: What if you use "sudo reboot"
[03:12] <Lint01> i'm using shutdown -r
[03:13] <Lint01> or 'reboot' option in GUI, same resuklt
[03:17] <CrocoJet> If I install ubuntu 9.04 (beta), do I need re-install everything after oficial release? if yes how to do ?
[03:18] <CrocoJet> ops .. if no .. how to do
[03:18] <jorgejorgesson> CrocoJet: I believe that Beta becomes release.  You need to do nothing.
[03:23] <CrocoJet> ok
[03:24] <justdave> CrocoJet: what you install is just a snapshot of that point in time when they made the CD/DVD image
[03:24] <justdave> as long as it's still 9.04 (beta or otherwise), the update manager should update you to the final release and so forth
[03:26] <justdave> or Synaptic or aptitude or your choice of update tool :)
[03:26] <matrixblue> I'm doing a fresh install when the final release comes out
[03:26] <CrocoJet> cool
[03:26] <justdave> when you install a beta, there's always the risk that they might change some set of dependencies on something, or some default settings in some important app...
[03:26] <CrocoJet> matrixblue, why?
[03:27] <CrocoJet> oh ok
[03:27] <justdave> and that would require manual intervention to fix.  I've very rarely ran into problems with that kind of thing on Ubuntu betas though
[03:27] <matrixblue> CrocoJet, I've been with this install since Alpha 5. Just in case some old errors don;t creep into it
[03:28] <CrocoJet> ok
[03:28] <Ienorand> The thing with keeping an upgrade is that if you have configured it and this particular item changes as it goes along. There will be differences compared to the final release. But it should always be possible to achieve a "default final" as long as you know what kind of settings you edited and know what their default was/should be...
[03:28] <matrixblue> CrocoJet, I'm sure I've done more than 100 updates
[03:28] <CrocoJet> ok
[03:29] <DG19075> I usually wait for the DVD to come out, for the text-mode install. Has been flawless for me....
[03:30] <Ienorand> For example if you make some drastic changes to bypass a bug, then when the bug is fixed you'll have to revert the changes you made, if you want a "vanilla" system...
[03:31] <Stupendoussteve> One would hope packages are smart enough to at least ask which version of a configuration file to use
[03:36] <Ienorand> Stupendoussteve: Some do, like for example the one overwriting fstab, but in general it seems interactivity has been taken out in favour of ease.
[03:36] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Heyho
[03:37] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Seamless encrypted /home is sooooooooo sexy.
[03:37] <Ienorand> I mean, "beginner" users don't want to hear about overwriting configuration files, and since they will always go for the "recommended" option regardless....
[03:37] <xcdfgkjhgcv> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/02/jaunty-encrypted-home-directories.html
[03:41] <Ienorand> I so want swap files to happen, I mean, swap partition seems kind of archaic really.
[03:42] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Ienorand: Why?
[03:42] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Ienorand: I always thought the other way around.
[03:43] <Ienorand> You have to dedicate disk space... A growable file would be a much more efficient use of disk space...
[03:44] <Ienorand> ...hmm
[03:45] <Ienorand> I might be out on slippery ice here since a swap file wouldn't really be able to grow though...
[03:48] <Ienorand> But it would be great if hibernation would just be able to, provided space, dump a (new) file onto disk instead of having to use swap... Hence you would be able to completely ignore swap if you had a lot of memory but still wanted hibernation...
[03:50] <Stupendoussteve> Swap partition can manage it better than a file on the host filesystem
[03:50] <Stupendoussteve> I agree hibernation should not necessarily require swap though
[03:51] <Stupendoussteve> It is possible to make a swap file, btw
[03:52] <test34-> has bluetooth been fixed in 9.04 ?
[03:53] <Ienorand> test34-: Fixed as in?
[03:53] <LiMaO> hey, shouldn't the 'reboot' icon appear only when all changes are finished committing? one may click on 'reboot' while it's still installing the updates
[03:54] <Ienorand> Stupendoussteve: Yes but afaik, it's kinda unsupported atm, and wont work with hibernate...
[03:54] <test34-> Ienorand, as in bluetooth headsets now working? as opposed to 8.04 or 8.10
[03:55] <Ienorand> test34-: I am not sure, if you have a bug no. it should say there... The only thing I've tried is remote control using my cellphone, which did work...
[03:56] <test34-> Ienorand, I filled a bug but never got a resolved reply
[03:57] <Ienorand> test34-: Which one?
[03:58] <test34-> Ienorand, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/306089
[04:00] <test34-> I don't have any bluetooth headset anymore so I can't test, but I was wondering
[04:00] <test34-> I would buy a new one for skype if it works fine
[04:00] <aeonoris> I'm trying to set my default sound device in Jaunty Jackalope, but 'asoundconf set-default-card Headset' doesn't work.  The headset itself works fine on Skype due to the fact that I can tell Skype which device to use in the options menu, so it isn't a hardware/drivers problem....  Anybody have any ideas?
[04:01] <aeonoris> Also, my top and bottom bars keep becoming nonresponsive, but I think that's probably unrelated.
[04:06] <Ienorand> test34-: Ah... I'm afraid I don't know... Not having the hardware available is always a problem... You could always see if there are any stores where you could bring a laptop and try it out I guess... apart from that I think the resolution of that bug depends on someone *with* the hardware speaking up as to whether it is still an issue, unfortunately.
[04:07] <test34-> ok thanks anyways Ienorand
[04:13] <histo> This is cool. Trying to play urban terror in jaunty and my sound drops after few minutes then I quit UT and system locks.  I have ot restart X and sound starts workign again.
[04:16] <test34-> you gotta love pulse audio
[04:16] <histo> Any way around this?
[04:18] <DG19075> get rid of pulse audio
[04:18] <histo> wellt hat doesn't really help me.
[04:19] <DG19075> sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[04:19] <histo> and then will my sound still function?
[04:19] <DG19075> and replace with alsa or oss
[04:20] <DG19075> then the sound will work. Go to System>Preferences>Sound after purging pulseaudio
[04:20] <DG19075> you can choose alsa or oss there
[04:20] <histo> THis has to be a major bug.
[04:20] <histo> Sound just drops
[04:21] <DG19075> which is why I use ALSA or OSS
[04:21] <DG19075> use either of those and it's sweet
[04:25] <yosii> DG19075: yeah, pulse is a PITA, that's what i do on every install of ubuntu...and do a similar for fedora or slack
[04:26] <DG19075> whoever thought of pulse anyway? > _<
[04:30] <yosii> DG19075: not sure
[04:30] <yosii> DG19075: theoretically, it's a cool idea
[04:30] <yosii> sharing audio among applications, and integrating devices into one system
[04:31] <LiMaO> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup --> according to some of the developers, ubuntu just didn't implement, neither configured it correctly from the 1st time
[04:31] <DG19075> good intent but the execution fell flat
[04:31] <LiMaO> and by following those instructions, you can have it all working flawlessly
[04:32] <yosii> working on getting my jack settings right
[04:33] <yosii> i get too many xruns
[04:34] <DG19075> hopes it'll work with Audacity, as I use that to do a LOT of recording...........
[04:34] <cwillu> LiMaO, that's out of date though, even intrepid is far more in-line with what pulseaudio recommends
[04:35] <crdlb> jaunty's kernel is apparently totally broken wrt pulse though
[04:35] <cwillu> unfortunately, every time somebody has an issue with pulseaudio during pre-release, people just tell them to uninstall it rather than reporting it so that it can get fixed.  Surprise surprise, they bugs don't get fixed :p
[04:35] <crdlb> (the latency problems)
[04:35] <cwillu> our pulseaudio maintainer is very responsive to bug reports
[04:37] <cwillu> crdlb, we've turned off the "glitchfree" feature because it requires a kernel option (full preemption) that is known to cause regressions with other drivers.  I think nvidia is one of the big ones, but that's just from memory
[04:37] <crdlb> pfft, I use all in-tree drivers now
[04:37] <crdlb> it'd be nice to have a linux-lowlatency
[04:38] <cwillu> I don't think that even all the in-tree drivers are known to work properly
[04:38] <cwillu> but yes, it'd be nice to have a kernel package for it :)
[04:38] <DG19075> will be trying the pulseaudio howto, unless there are more recent instructions out there....
[04:38] <eseven73> what would be the command to do an upgrade with terminal? Because I did the GUI it failed 1/2 way (with 300 updates) so now im stuck in console with no GUI
[04:38] <cwillu> DG19075, what's the problem you're currently seeing?
[04:39] <cwillu> eseven73, the update-manager?  You didn't just changes sources.list, right?
[04:39] <eseven73> no
[04:39] <DG19075> trying to configure the device chooser to see my sound card
[04:40] <DG19075> and then to have Audacity work with it
[04:40] <eseven73> whats the command for upgrade?
[04:40] <cwillu> eseven73, usually dpkg --configure -a followed by aptitude full-upgrade, back and forth until they both complete successfully will do it
[04:40] <cwillu> if it failed part way through I don't know that the update-manager will by itself clean things up
[04:40]  * cwillu looks around for MVO, and fails to see him
[04:40] <eseven73> well I think x froze up
[04:41] <cwillu> ugh
[04:41] <eseven73> ive been having x freezing up lately
[04:41] <cwillu> okay, do the dpkg --configure -a bit like I said above
[04:41] <eseven73> ok ty cwillu
[04:41] <cwillu> should get things back up and running, although you may need to play with xorg.conf a bit
[04:41] <eseven73> k
[04:41] <cwillu> depending on whether your driver needs to change
[04:42] <eseven73> I got nvidia 173 driver for my nvidia 5200
[04:42] <bjsnider> i'm not sure pulse itself really has all that many bugs in it at this point in time. i think it's more like broken alsa drivers
[04:42] <cwillu> DG19075, can you run ubuntu-bug pulseaudio?  That'll give you back a bug number, which you can fill in any relevant details
[04:43] <cwillu> eseven73, _should_ be fine then
[04:44] <holyscott> once the rc releases tomorrow, what will the apt-get command be to go from beta to rc?
[04:44] <eseven73> yeah usually it works fine, except compiz, even though glxgears and googlearth work fine (so im assuming my 3d is ok) I don't like compiz anyways :)
[04:44] <Kavindu> hey, i gotta problem, i tried upgrading my 8.04 to 8.10 and when i was in the middle of the process there was a powercut and i had to start the whole thing again, but when i did start it, it says "Partial Upgrade", how can i fix that?
[04:44] <cwillu> histo, check launchpad if there's a bug reported about that particular issue
[04:45] <cwillu> Kavindu, to 8.10?  -> #ubuntu
[04:45] <Kavindu> thanx
[04:45] <cwillu> Kavindu, but let it run the partial upgrade, and things will probably work
[04:45] <cwillu> ugh
[04:46] <bjsnider> why was he only upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 now?
[04:46] <DG19075> thinks the bug is 322374
[04:47] <eseven73> oh noes now im getting kernel panics :(
[04:47] <eseven73> I really fried something
[04:47] <eseven73> lol
[04:50] <cwillu> eseven73, boot using an older kernel if you can (somethign 2.6.27), at least until you have the updates applied
[04:51] <eseven73> I just tried
[04:51] <cwillu> DG19075, if it's not the exact same issue, you'll be better off reporting a new bug
[04:51] <cwillu> eseven73, boot a live cd, mount and chroot to the install, and run the updates :p
[04:51] <eseven73> now its saying VPS: cannot open root device "UUID=a bunch of numbers/letters here"
[04:52] <cwillu> ugh
[04:52] <eseven73> :(
[04:52] <cwillu> mentioning that it's a vps would have been useful
[04:52] <eseven73> sorry
[04:52] <cwillu> as your troubleshooting options are somewhat limited
[04:52] <eseven73> its kinda late here so im like half sleep
[04:53] <cwillu> eseven73, you should be able to change root=UUID=blahblah to root=/dev/sda1 or something like that
[04:53] <cwillu> but it's somewhat concerning that the uuid broke like that
[04:53] <eseven73> yea
[04:53] <eseven73> how do I chroot to the what ever
[04:53] <eseven73> to the install I mean
[04:53] <cwillu> eseven73, is it a physical computer you have access to?
[04:53] <eseven73> ya
[04:54] <cwillu> oh, good
[04:54] <eseven73> my desktop, im talking to you from my lappy
[04:54] <cwillu> eseven73, well, booting a live cd, and finding out what device the partition is will tell you what to put as your root= line
[04:55] <cwillu> if you can boot the install directly, things will be simpler
[04:55] <eseven73> ok
[04:56] <eseven73> well it's late ill have to deal with this later, but thanks for the advice cwillu. :D
[04:56] <cwillu> I feel the need to ask (even though I know the answer) if you have backups :)
[04:56]  * cwillu huggles his nightly automatic rsync to another machine
[04:57] <eseven73> yeah thank god I do , I used sbackup and I have a separate /home as well
[04:57] <eseven73> all backups are on my external hdd
[05:03] <cwillu> seperate home doesn't really help much in the backup front, but it does make reinstalls easier
[05:04] <Overman> herro prease?
[05:12] <Overman> Anyone here use the stopmotion software?
[05:33] <luckyone> hello all - will Thunderbird 3 be available in jaunty?
[05:34] <deepjoy>  Hi I was wondering isn't the Release candidate supposed to be out already?
[05:35]  * guest1 is thinking the same thing
[05:35] <guest1> I'm waiting for it...
[05:35] <deepjoy> maybe I'm misunderstanding on what time zone it's supposed to follow or whether it's start of day noon or end of day
[05:36] <guest1> I thought it would be ~Midnight London time
[05:36] <luckyone> guest1: you can grab a daily build
[05:36] <deepjoy> as in 0000 hrs 16th April GMT
[05:36] <luckyone> I am pretty happy with mine :)
[05:37] <deepjoy> I'v been on Jaunty since Alpha 5 and used update-manager ever since
[05:37] <deepjoy> friend of mine wants to download the beta and I just saw that the RC is due today
[05:37] <deepjoy> so 0000 hrs 16th April GMT right?
[05:37] <guest1> luckyone: I could, but the RC should be the current daily build
[05:38] <mrooney> If I had my date set wrong and did apt-get upgrade and got a whole bunch of "tar: ./preinst: time stamp 2009-03-31 02:55:43 is 291097602.97240118 s in the future" messages, did things still install okay?
[05:38] <Ienorand> Unless something bad happened to the daily
[05:38] <mrooney> (I've fixed the date now)
[05:42] <deepjoy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[05:42] <deepjoy> last daily was on 14th
[05:42] <deepjoy> 2300 hrs
[05:46] <Volkodav> is flash player 10.0.22.87 in repo's for 64 bit is a 64 bit plugin or still pliginwrapper ?
[05:47] <Ienorand> luckyone: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1027861 has infor about a tb3 ppa, but it doesn't seem to be in jaunty "officially"
[05:48] <holyscott> whats the website to sign up for the instant notice of new releases of jaunty?
[05:49] <philsf> how can one disable specific sound events (e.g. login)?
[05:50] <nandemonai> philsf: the login sound option is in sys -> admin -> login window
[05:50] <nandemonai> philsf: the rest are in sys -> prefs -> sound
[05:50] <philsf> nandemonai, no, I mean the sound post-login, not the gdm sound
[05:50] <Andre_Gondim> I have problem with flash in jaunty, I don't have sound
[05:51] <Ienorand> holyscott: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce ?
[05:52] <philsf> nandemonai, yes, I can preview the sounds in prefs->sound, but how can I disable it?
[05:52] <holyscott> lenorand Thank you
[05:52] <nandemonai> philsf: click the default bit.
[05:52] <philsf> nandemonai, thanks, I get it now
[05:52] <nandemonai> philsf: should come up with default/custom/disabled ;)
[05:53] <histo> alright well purging pulse audio fixed my sound issues
[05:55] <philsf> nandemonai, very counter-intuitive, though. there's no indication that this is actually clickable :/
[05:55] <aaronator>  I just upgraded to 9.04, now I do not have sound.  When I play songs I only hear a little bit of static.  How can I fix it
[05:55] <aaronator>  sound worked fine on 8.10
[05:56] <histo> aaronator: try killall pulseaudio
[05:56] <nandemonai> philsf: I'd agree actually.
[05:56] <histo> aaronator: sudo killall pulseaudio
[05:56] <aaronator> ok, ran taht
[05:57] <aaronator> same problem
[05:57] <histo> hrm...
[05:57] <aaronator> indeed lol
[05:58] <histo> aaronator: there is a post on the forums if you search for pulseaudio in the dev forums it has some troubleshooting suggestions.
[05:58] <aaronator> ok I will check that out.  Thanks
[05:58] <histo> aaronator: checking my history for it now.
[05:59] <histo> aaronator:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052754&highlight=sound+stops
[05:59] <histo> aaronator: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052754&highlight=sound+stops
[05:59] <histo> there's a link
[06:09] <xr78> anybody know what time the Jaunty RC is going live?
[06:16] <Ienorand> xr78: At some point today... Usually no one know much more
[06:17] <Geoffrey2> and Jaunty supports...ext4?
[06:18] <hil> it does.
[06:19] <Geoffrey2> hil, is the average user going to notice a difference?
[06:19] <hil>  its recognizable faster, yes
[06:20] <mjs7231_> Hey guys
[06:20] <mjs7231_> Quick question im sure you get all day..
[06:20] <mjs7231_> is it fine to download the beta now, or will the official version in 5 days be a cleaner install?
[06:21] <hil>  will result in same
[06:21] <crdlb> I'd go with a daily image or wait for the RC
[06:22] <mjs7231_> ok, thanks
[06:22] <mjs7231_> I thought RC was out..
[06:22] <mjs7231_> guess not
[06:22] <crdlb> just because there'd be so much to download on top of the beta
[06:23] <crdlb> mjs7231_: it seems the rc is scheduled for today
[06:24] <Geoffrey2> I'm curious, anyone know how far down the road until grub2 is ready to go, if ever?
[06:24] <mjs7231_> WooP!
[06:25] <mjs7231_> Geoffrey2, Would that fall under Ubuntu or Debian to get it into the release?
[06:25] <crdlb> I thought you needed grub2 for ext4
[06:27] <crdlb> (unless you use a /boot partition)
[06:29] <histo> works here with whatever jaunty comes with.
[06:29] <histo> it is version 2 in jaunty
[06:52] <rmrfslash> I just upgraded to Jaunty and now my Verizon CMDA modem (USB720) is not connecting.
[06:53] <rmrfslash> Before, knetworkmanager recognized it and connected me to the internet as soon as I plugged it in.
[06:53] <rmrfslash> I'm not sure what is wrong.
[07:01] <belred> i have a question about synaptic on ubuntu 9.04.  i have the identical synaptic preferences an repository options on 4 boxes.  but one of the boxes, the package gnome-open-terminal doesn't show up in synaptic.  how can this be?  what do i have to do to make it show up?
[07:03] <crdlb> belred: are you sure you're not thinking of nautilus-open-terminal ?
[07:05] <Daskreech> Hi y'all
[07:05] <Daskreech> How do you disable the new notification system?
[07:06] <crdlb> easiest way: uninstall notify-osd
[07:06] <belred> crdlb: yes, that's what i meant... sorry
[07:06] <mrooney> anyone know how to get tab completion in bash to work for a new user I just added?
[07:06] <belred> nautilus-open-terminal doesn't show up
[07:06] <Daskreech> crdlb: That drops back to old notifications ?
[07:06] <crdlb> belred: you probably don't have universe enabled
[07:07] <Daskreech> mrooney: . /etc/bash_completion
[07:07] <crdlb> Daskreech: yep
[07:07] <Daskreech> crdlb: Grand thanks
[07:07] <belred> i'll check again... i compared it with another box... isn't universe enabled by default in 9.04?
[07:08] <crdlb> you'll have to kill notify-osd too if you don't want to log out
[07:08] <mrooney> Daskreech: hm, I've got a /etc/bash_completion.d/, but no file by that name?
[07:09] <Daskreech> mrooney: ah umm hold on
[07:09] <Daskreech> Nope I have a /etc/bash_completion
[07:10] <kindofabuzz> how would i update a intrepid server to jaunty. would it still be upgrade-manager -d ?
[07:10] <mrooney> Daskreech: mysterious! tab completion works fine for root, so everything is it least /capable/ of working
[07:10] <kindofabuzz> or is that just gui?
[07:10] <Daskreech> kindofabuzz: Yes
[07:10] <kindofabuzz> right on
[07:11] <mrooney> I wonder how many other people are using the jaunty arm port so far :)
[07:11] <crdlb> kindofabuzz: you need to use do-release-upgrade -d
[07:11] <crdlb> of course, you shouldn't run jaunty on a server just yet :>
[07:11] <kindofabuzz> crdlb, yeah i was about to say, the other didn't work
[07:12] <kindofabuzz> just thought, would i be better to reinstall for the new stuff in jaunty server?
[07:14] <Daskreech> kindofabuzz: Seriously if you are runing a server you should be doing this on a very different machine
[07:14] <kindofabuzz> Daskreech, umm it is
[07:14] <albech> mrooney, i have been thinking about it, but i am very happy with my gentoo toolchain and gentoo does allow me more flexibility
[07:14] <Daskreech> kindofabuzz: You cloned it?
[07:15] <mrooney> albech: yeah, I just bought a *little* server that actually shipped with jaunty
[07:15] <albech> nice
[07:15] <kindofabuzz> Daskreech, huh? no, my server is just for a learning expierience. nothing major will be lost if things mess up upgradeing. just thought i'd test jaunty server. more the merrier
[07:15] <mrooney> maybe I will try another distro at some point to level up my linux :)
[07:16] <albech> mrooney, i am sure the port will open up markets to many new embedded devs
[07:16] <mrooney> Daskreech: so no ideas if I don't have that bash_completion file?
[07:16] <kindofabuzz> mrooney, try Gentoo if you really want to learn how the OS is put together. you compile everything yourself. everything. =)
[07:17] <albech> mrooney, but honestly embedded devs like to get their hands dirty, so they arent looking for ports, but rather tools
[07:17] <Daskreech> mrooney: You could source the files in the directory
[07:17] <Daskreech> amounts to about the same thing
[07:17] <mrooney> Daskreech: yeah I tried to figure out what 'source' does, awesomely it has no man page or --help
[07:20] <kindofabuzz> mrooney, source = source code
[07:20] <mrooney> oh, I saw guides explaining to run "source ~/.bashrc
[07:21] <kindofabuzz> oh?
[07:21] <topyli> mrooney: i think source is a bash internal command, it has no man page of its own
[07:21] <topyli> all it does is reread the configuration so you don't need to start a new shell
[07:22] <kindofabuzz> the only command i see is source-highlight
[07:22] <Daskreech> kindofabuzz: no
[07:22] <Daskreech> kindofabuzz: source is a bash command that works like a #include
[07:23] <kindofabuzz> oh didn't notice you said bash, my bad
[07:23] <Daskreech> mrooney: It's a builtin command so try help source
[07:23] <kindofabuzz> I was thinking, nevermind... =)
[07:29] <fakeer> installed wicd in Ubuntu Jaunty beta , removing network-manager but now it connects to my college wireless network but not to internet. it's using madwifi driver(i checked in preference) should i change it? or there some other problem? I have only wi-fi access.
[07:36] <swayed> Is there a time set for download of the Final of Jaunty ?
[07:36] <matrixblue> swayed, April 23rd
[07:37] <swayed> yup - a certain time - ?
[07:37] <swayed> morning - evening - daytime - us time etc?
[07:37] <matrixblue> swayed, I/m guessing midnight in England
[07:37] <matrixblue> I could be wrong
[07:38] <philsf> it also depends on mirror sync time
[07:38] <swayed> matrixblue, thx
[07:38] <swayed> yup
[07:39] <philsf> I guess mirrors get a little headstart before public release, but not sure
[07:39] <matrixblue> swayed, I don't think there are many changed between the Release Candidate (released today) and the Final
[07:40] <swayed> matrixblue, you know if there will be hardware support for the ATI - EAH3450 HDMI PCI-Express vid card ?
[07:40] <matrixblue> swayed, I dunno. But if it isn't supported at this stage in the release then it won't be in the final
[07:41] <swayed> matrixblue, All comes down to what is new in kernel basically I guess - correct?
[07:41] <fakeer> wicd doesn't connect me to an unsecured college wi-fi ..any word?/
[07:41] <DanaG> http://contents.driverguide.com/content.php?id=243322&path=wdm%2Fdefault.ini --- interesting thing for windows driver of STAC audio.
[07:42] <matrixblue> swayed, basically
[07:42] <Ienorand> matrixblue: There are not *supposed* to be any changes... depends on possible showstoppers really...
[07:42] <swayed> matrixblue, have you installed Jaunty yet?
[07:43] <swayed> matrixblue, Is this more of support channel right now or is off topic allowed ?
[07:44] <matrixblue> swayed, I don't think we're as strict in here
[07:44] <swayed> cool - so have u kicked the tires on jaunty yet?
[07:44] <matrixblue> kicked the tires?
[07:44] <swayed> tried it out yet?
[07:44] <swayed> sorry
[07:45] <amarendra> in jaunty i installed gstreamer and i could enjoy video and mp3 very well until one day it stopped...now i see low quality video and no sound
[07:45] <amarendra> and when  try mp3..i see just a crackling static
[07:45] <matrixblue> I've been using it for 2 months (I think)
[07:45] <kane77> me too
[07:45] <kane77> when is the final version out?
[07:45] <matrixblue> kane77, 23rd
[07:45] <swayed> like it ok - much more eye candy - or noticeable hardware support?
[07:46] <matrixblue> amarendra, did you make any changes?
[07:46] <kane77> hmm.. for some reason I thought 17th  so I was getting ready to party :)
[07:46] <matrixblue> kane77, LOL
[07:46] <kane77> swayed, yes, my bcm4311 wifi works much better
[07:46] <matrixblue> swayed, eyecandy, no, speed, yes especially with ext4
[07:47] <kane77> matrixblue, there is some eyecandy - new notification system
[07:47] <amarendra> no i don't think so....may be i might have done.as i'm kinda novice
[07:47] <matrixblue> kane77, oh yeah. I've gotten so used to that I forget it's new
[07:47] <matrixblue> lol
[07:47] <kane77> :)
[07:47] <swayed> kane77, cool cool - that's what I like to hear - biggest obstacle seems to be USB Wifi network adapters for one!
[07:48] <swayed> matrixblue, running 64bit or 32?
[07:48] <matrixblue> amarendra, try playing a CD
[07:48] <matrixblue> and tell me if the same thing happens
[07:49] <matrixblue> swayed, 32
[07:49] <kane77> my only major issue was my intel graphics card being very slow, but new drivers were released and everything got fixed
[07:49] <matrixblue> swayed, I wouldn't run 64 unless I intend to use more than 4 gigs of RAM
[07:49] <swayed> kane77, wasn't that long ago it was a real pain to get the bcm chipset to work huh?
[07:49] <maxb> window level all
[07:50] <matrixblue> I'll state for the record that I dislike Kubuntu/KDE
[07:50] <swayed> matrixblue, so does the big "J" recognize 4GB's now - My Intrepid only see's 3 of my 4 ?
[07:51] <topyli> matrixblue: why wouldn't you run a 64bit OS on a 64bit machine?
[07:51] <matrixblue> swayed, How much does your BIOS see?
[07:51] <td123> topyli: drivers
[07:51] <kane77> swayed, true it was, I was figting with it.. with intrepid it was working more or less, now it works 100% :)
[07:51] <matrixblue> topyli, compatibility issues
[07:51] <topyli> td123: what drivers? windows drivers?
[07:51] <td123> topyli: non x86-64 drivers
[07:52] <swayed> matrixblue, funny U mentioned that - Don't believe I ever really looked at that - I know it shows 4 in Windoze.
[07:52] <topyli> td123: there are such drivers? :\
[07:52] <td123> ... forget it
[07:52] <swayed> matrixblue, setup with 3 slide-in-out HD trays - one has windoze on it.
[07:53] <matrixblue> topyli, 32 abd 64 are different and need different drivers and programs in some cases
[07:53] <swayed> kane77, sweet music to the ears.... :)
[07:53] <kane77> 64-bit was PITA few years ago, now I don't experience any problems
[07:53] <amarendra> matrixblue: is there any specific drivers that i have to select...i installed nvidia drivers using ubuntu tweak and my be i had changed the audio driver...i am using soundblaster audigy
[07:53] <crdlb> there's no way you're going to see close to 4GB without using a 64bit kernel or a 32bit one with PAE (eg -server)
[07:54] <topyli> matrixblue: i've never heard of such a case, but okay
[07:54] <crdlb> the fact is that 3GB is more than enough, though :)
[07:54] <swayed> matrixblue, Got me wondering about that Bio's question - Going to reboot an check it out be back N let ya know....
[07:55] <matrixblue> amarendra, does the CD play fine? is so then it's your mp3 decoder if not then it's your sound driver
[07:55] <kane77> crdlb, unles you run vista :D
[07:55] <matrixblue> kane77, or KDE
[07:56]  * crdlb has .5GB
[07:57]  * kane77 has 4GB :)
[07:58] <fakeer> matrixblue: as my wicd can't connect me to internet i am currently working on win partition... just tell me the troubleshooting measures i should take and then i will do the same....
[07:58] <matrixblue> 2GB here
[07:58] <matrixblue> fakeer, wicd?
[07:59] <stefanlsd> Does anyone else have an issue with a Dell internal 3g card not being detected after boot up?
[08:00] <fakeer> yeah..i just removed network manager and installed wicd and it can;t connect me to internet..
[08:00] <fakeer> matrixblue: my nicks amarendra and fakeer... grouped..i thought it would be easier to handle two topics in same channel with 2 nicks...but i see it was a mistake :)
[08:01] <matrixblue> fakeer, I'm not familiar with that program but I assume it's a replacement for network manager. Why would you replace network manager?
[08:01] <fakeer> matrixblue: because it frequently dropped the connection and even speed was bad
[08:01] <matrixblue> fakeer, what kind of connection do you have?
[08:03] <fakeer> matrixblue: wi-fi unsecured
[08:04] <fakeer> matrixblue: and i have no other option like wired..just this wi-fi , that's why i booted back into win
[08:04] <matrixblue> fakeer, and what errors are wicd giving you?
[08:06] <fakeer> matrixblue: nothing..it's connected to the rireless network but not the internet
[08:06] <matrixblue> swayed, what did the BIOS say?
[08:06] <fakeer> matrixblue: i mean i can't access internet
[08:07] <matrixblue> fakeer, are you using DHCP or a manual IP configuration?
[08:08] <swayed> matrixblue, Hey checked my Bio's Reports - Intel Core2 CPU - 4400@2.00GHz - System Memory Total - 4096MB - Running Ibex - Went to Applications/System Tools/Sysinfo reports 3,165MB
[08:08] <swayed> matrixblue, What'da ya think?
[08:09] <matrixblue> swayed, see what system monitor says
[08:09] <swayed> matrixblue, k - just a sec
[08:09] <matrixblue> gnone-system-monitor
[08:10] <fakeer> matrixblue: DHCP
[08:12] <matrixblue> fakeer, open terminal and run ifconfig and paste the output into http://paste.ubuntu.com and send me the URL
[08:14] <swayed> matrixblue, http://bayimg.com/AAPJoaAba
[08:15] <matrixblue> swayed, I dunno what to say about that then
[08:15] <matrixblue> You can run a Jaunty live-cd just to see if it will recognize it
[08:16] <swayed> matrixblue, I just assumed I never could use all 4gigs unless I was running 64bit....
[08:16] <swayed> yea that's an idea - the live cd...
[08:17] <matrixblue> swayed, could be, I'm not sure
[08:17] <swayed> ummm strange
[08:17] <matrixblue> swayed, how big is ur swap?
[08:18] <swayed> matrixblue, were u running ibex before jaunty? did that repo report and use 4gigs?
[08:18] <matrixblue> swayed, I only have 2 gigs
[08:18] <swayed> matrixblue, I forget where to check swap.
[08:19] <swayed> in sysmon?
[08:19] <matrixblue> swayed, resources tab
[08:19] <swayed> k
[08:21] <swayed> matrixblue, sorry being klutz - can't locate resources tab... where again?
[08:21] <swayed> only 4hrs sleep last night
[08:21] <matrixblue> http://bayimg.com/AAPJoaAba  -next to processes
[08:22] <swayed> ok
[08:22] <gugenot> I've got problem - when my firefox is fullscreened, all popup windows make it blinking. compiz is on, driver nvidia
[08:23] <matrixblue> gugenot, I think there is a fix for the in compiz manager under workarounds
[08:24] <gugenot> matrixblue, no, there is only ff MENU fix
[08:24] <gugenot> btw, it is checked
[08:25] <swayed> matrixblue, Whats the paste bin site for images I can find it in my favs?
[08:25] <matrixblue> use www.bayimg.com
[08:26] <matrixblue> gugenot, do a screenshot to www.bayimg.com
[08:26] <swayed> matrixblue, ok - I know of another I like better - that's ok - hang on
[08:26] <fakeer> matrixblue: ok , i will do it...but then i will have to boot into ubuntu and then boot back into windows and post..anyway thanks..
[08:27] <gugenot> matrixblue, ehh how?) It is a dynamic process - it blinks for 0,1 sec)
[08:27] <matrixblue> gugenot, ahhhhhhhhhh
[08:30] <matrixblue> gugenot, I'm out of ideas sorry
[08:32] <swayed> matrixblue, sorry took so long - had phone call - http://bayimg.com/capjkAaBa
[08:32] <swayed> matrixblue, swap correct?
[08:32] <matrixblue> WTF!!!! 9 gigs of swap?????
[08:32] <gugenot> matrixblue, ok, thanks for try
[08:32] <matrixblue> swayed, have you ever heard of overkill?
[08:35] <swayed> matrixblue, lol - jeeez I don't know how that happen - this just started out with a take as you get no custom install way back when - started with Hardy then did a internet upgrade to Ibex - And so here we are totally jacked - starting over tomorrow with a new clean install of Jaunty
[08:36] <matrixblue> swayed, cool! hope all goes well with you
[08:36] <swayed> matrixblue, will keep this drive in another bay and suck off all my music & movies etc.
[08:36] <matrixblue> swayed, install with ext4
[08:37] <swayed> matrixblue, How do you think the swap got set so big?
[08:37] <topyli> the installer seems to still use the old "swap twice the ram" rule of thumb
[08:37] <drbobb> hmm jaunty fails pretty badly on my acer aspire 5002, it completes the install with a broken xorg
[08:38] <matrixblue> it prolly automatically made swap x2 the rize of Ram
[08:38] <drbobb> previous releases at least got that part right
[08:38] <Ienorand> matrixblue: But that would make it 6 rather than 9 right?
[08:38] <swayed> matrixblue, will the easy lamebrain out the box take all the defaults install of Jaunty do this - Or best to customize as I go ?
[08:38] <matrixblue> drbobb, which release of Jaunty are you using and what's your graphics card?
[08:39] <matrixblue> Ienorand, good point
[08:39] <drbobb> matrixblue: i'm using the current beta, installed it yesterday
[08:39] <matrixblue> swayed, I always manually partition
[08:39] <drbobb> the vga is a sis integrated chip, unfortunately
[08:39] <swayed> matrixblue, hmmm will read up on that - let ya go get busy - thx much'o
[08:40] <drbobb> i sort of fixed the breakage by enabling the sisfb module - not something a newb would come up with, i think
[08:40] <matrixblue> drbobb, go into the grub menu at boot and select the recovery mode and choose repair graphics in the menu
[08:41] <drbobb> uh it's fixed *for me*, but unexperienced users will give up at this point
[08:41] <lvlefisto> is the 9.04 beta version that's currently for download the release candidate?
[08:41] <drbobb> (and i say sort of fixed cause i'm still getting visual glitches that did not happen in previous releases)
[08:42] <matrixblue> drbobb, consider filing a bug report
[08:42] <drbobb> and btw is the alternate cd (which i used) really supposed to install lilo instead of grub??
[08:44] <cwillu> lvlefisto, I don't believe so, although I don't know for sure
[08:44] <lvlefisto> cwillu: ok
[08:45] <lvlefisto> thanks
[08:45] <cwillu> topyli, it's still a valid rule of thumb if you ever want to use hibernation
[08:45] <topyli> cwillu: you don't need double the ram for that
[08:45] <cwillu> or rather, if you don't want hibernation to fail unexpectedly
[08:46] <cwillu> topyli, you need to have enough to dump all of memory, over top of any swap that's already in use
[08:46] <cwillu> topyli, it's a nice safe point, anything less could cause hibernation to fail unexpectedly
[08:47] <topyli> my rule of thumb is "a bit more than ram"
[08:47] <matrixblue> lvlefisto, wait a few hours for the RC
[08:47] <cwillu> mine used to be that, until I started not being able to hibernate
[08:47]  * cwillu cheers for large firefox sessions :p
[08:47] <lvlefisto> matrixblue: ok, thanks.
[08:48] <topyli> cwillu: if i used firefox, i wouldn't hibernate. regular reboots are in order anyway :)
[08:48] <cwillu> heh
[08:48] <cwillu> hardly
[08:48] <cwillu> my firefox regularly has 3 month uptimes :p
[08:48] <topyli> anyway, if swap a lot you need hardware
[08:49] <cwillu> really depends on the workload
[08:49] <cwillu> if swap is in use, but you're not thrashing, you're not really loosing much in the way of performance
[08:50] <cwillu> ideally, it'd just make a swap file in /tmp if necessary
[08:50] <cwillu> (for hibernate, that is)
[08:51] <topyli> you can do that, but iirc it still requires hackery
[08:51] <drbobb> which makes me ask, why isn't ubuntu using tmpfs for /tmp
[08:51] <bullgard4> Where can I find a comprehensive overview about the changes that Jaunty has brought to Ubuntu compared with Intrepid?
[08:51] <drbobb> (which would make a swapfile in /tmp rather pointless)
[08:51] <cwillu> topyli, well, by 'it' I meant the hibernate script :p
[08:52] <cwillu> drbobb, directly opening a download from firefox (for instance) downloads to /tmp.  That's just asking for trouble if it's a tmpfs
[08:52] <cwillu> (think downloading an iso directly to the burner)
[08:52]  * topyli has been bitten by that
[08:53] <drbobb> oh, i thought it used the Desktop dir by default
[08:53] <cwillu> Only really makes sense if you've got tonnes of memory, in which case you'd ideally be in filecache anyway
[08:53] <cwillu> drbobb, for "save file" downloads, not "open with" downloads
[08:53] <drbobb> ahh ok
[08:53] <cwillu> flash movies go to /tmp as well
[08:53] <topyli> drbobb: not explicit downloads, but think about something like a flash movie you watch on the go
[08:53] <drbobb> it would make lots of sense for the server edition though
[08:53] <cwillu> or a pdf opened in evince
[08:54] <drbobb> well a pdf is seldom more than 10 or 20 MB
[08:54] <cwillu> drbobb, the assumption is that you can set things up if you want them, but having a nice consistent base without magically making dramatic changes based on your hardware is a good thing
[08:54] <topyli> drbobb: might as well save that ram too
[08:54] <cwillu> drbobb, and on a 512mb machine, that can hurt
[08:55] <cwillu> or opening an iso directly into brasero, or a pdf based on scanned images (those can reach hundreds of megs fairly easily)
[08:55] <drbobb> heh, solaris used tmpfs for /tmp even on 128MB machines, in its time
[08:55] <cwillu> tmpfs really only saves you the fsyncs, which are becomming less of an issue
[08:55]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick
[08:56] <cwillu> BUGabundo, looks like intel is going to be fixed properly in an sru soon after the official release
[08:57] <cwillu> (getting dri back on)
[08:57] <maccam94> there's breakage with python3.0 in the repositories..... there are two versions, and idle3 is not installable
[08:57] <BUGabundo> cwillu: reading bug mail now. should get there soon
[08:58] <BUGabundo> maccam94: please file a bug
[08:58] <cwillu> drbobb, on anything except ext3 in ordered mode, there's should be very little difference between a normal /tmp and tmpfs :p
[08:58] <BUGabundo> maccam94: $ ubuntu-bug python3
[08:58] <cwillu> (exageration, but in the ballpark :p)
[09:00] <drbobb> cwillu: not really sure, but i'm running on jfs right now, and things indeed seem to work snappier than in hardy
[09:01] <cwillu> drbobb, ext3's default journaling mode is murder on fsync performance
[09:01] <drbobb> oh and for a change, broadcom wireless seems to be working more consistently than before
[09:02] <drbobb> except that for a newbie it wouldn't at all, since no friendly driver manager pops up to tell her she needs a special firmware package
[09:03] <drbobb> (well maybe in gnome it does, using kubuntu myself)
[09:03]  * BUGabundo runs XFS
[09:03] <drbobb> i believe xfs is unfriendly towards system hangs and hard reboots
[09:04] <drbobb> so i've heard
[09:04] <BUGabundo> drbobb: no more then ext4
[09:04] <drbobb> and on an acer those are hard to avoid
[09:04] <BUGabundo> but yeah, I had some data loss due to recent crashs and kernel panics
[09:04] <cwillu> BUGabundo, actually more than ext4 right now, I don't think ubuntu's kernel has the ext4 fsync'ing fixes backported to xfs and friends yet
[09:05] <drbobb> BUGabundo: never lost any data (that i'd notice) on ext3
[09:05] <cwillu> although ext4 is still unstable on jaunty right now
[09:05] <drbobb> well i do have jfs on a couple of server boxes and my experience has been fine so far
[09:06] <drbobb> but this is my first go on using it on a laptop
[09:06] <topyli> my eeepc likes to hang sometimes, with lots of disk i/o and non-responsive to mouse/keyboard
[09:06] <topyli> (ext4 on ssd)
[09:06] <matrixblue> cwillu, I haven't had any probs with ext4
[09:07] <cwillu> matrixblue, that's nice
[09:07] <cwillu> matrixblue, unfortunately, that has no bearing on how deleting files is known to cause hard lockups on many people's machines (while being perfectly stable on other people's machines)
[09:07] <cwillu> !works for me | and all that
[09:07]  * BUGabundo runs $ sudo sync (just in case)
[09:09] <topyli> cwillu: yep, mine hangs when upgrading. would fit your description (the ext3 partition is / )
[09:09] <topyli> err, ext4
[09:09] <BUGabundo> many apps are very poorly written to handle massive IO
[09:09] <BUGabundo> I've had all kind of behaviours
[09:09] <BUGabundo> and stupid crashes
[09:10] <BUGabundo> stuff like gwibber, kdepim, pidgin tend to crash once disk access delays due to IO
[09:10] <cwillu> topyli, yep.  You can use a really really early ubuntu 2.6.28 kernel, or any mainline kernel, and it'll be fine
[09:10] <cwillu> topyli, it's one of our patches that making a known bug show up _way_ more frequently than otherwise
[09:10] <BUGabundo> running (dvd images for testing) rsyncs and p2p is quiet easy to stress my HDD disk
[09:10] <cwillu> so says Theo :p
[09:11] <topyli> damn hackers
[09:11] <topyli> anyway, i suppose i'm going to try and suffer the beta period. if brokenness continues, i'll reinstall on ext3
[09:12] <bullgard4> Where can I find a comprehensive overview about the changes that Jaunty has brought to Ubuntu compared with Intrepid?
[09:13] <BUGabundo> actually I believe that unfortunatly JJ is having a worst ending then alpha cycle
[09:13] <BUGabundo> :(
[09:13] <BUGabundo> bullgard4: release notes
[09:13] <topyli> bullgard4: where is your line between "comprehensive" and "overview"?
[09:13] <cwillu> bullgard4, there are changelogs available for each package, if you need in depth detail of particular changes
[09:13] <BUGabundo> topyli: heheeheh its between release notes and technical overview, or even Team reports
[09:14] <BUGabundo> cwillu: ever heard of OVERKILL ?
[09:14] <topyli> bullgard4: the release notes would be a nice overview. alternatively, you can go comprehensive and read all the changelogs
[09:14] <BUGabundo> geee and I thinking I was the only one who did that! LOL
[09:14] <bullgard4> topyli: It is simply a matter of quantity: The more features are named the better. I do not need to analyze all features in qualitative detail.
[09:14] <cwillu> BUGabundo, why do you think you confused me for an actual ubuntero? :p
[09:15] <bullgard4> cwillu: I need just the opposite.
[09:15] <BUGabundo> cwillu: all those "you" got me confused! please explain
[09:15] <bullgard4> BUGabundo: What do you mean by "release notes"?
[09:15] <eagles0513875> where do i configure slapd i am not finding a slapd.conf file
[09:16] <BUGabundo> bullgard4: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[09:16] <cwillu> bullgard4, read the channel topic
[09:16] <BUGabundo> cwillu: we are going to need to update topic to prepare to all those new users looking for RC!
[09:17]  * cwillu reports bug #3 :p
[09:17] <cwillu> awww
[09:17] <eagles0513875> !openldap
[09:17] <eagles0513875> !info openldap
[09:17] <BUGabundo> cwillu: LOLOL taken
[09:18] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: where can i find the slapd.conf file  im on ubuntu server jaunty
[09:18] <eagles0513875> just upgraded to it
[09:18] <Ienorand> Is there normally a set time for the releases or is it kind of "somewhere on this date"
[09:19] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: am I supposed to know? just run mlocate eheh
[09:19] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: somewhere around
[09:19] <BUGabundo> guys have to work.... ping me if anything important pops up
[09:19] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: im wondering if the issue actually could be with me upgrading from intrepid to gutsy
[09:19] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: read FAIL lol
[09:20] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: ?
[09:20] <cwillu> eagles0513875, intrepid to gutsy?  gutsy is way older than intrepid
[09:20] <BUGabundo> let me work!!! don't call for me, unless for soemhting important
[09:22] <bullgard4> BUGabundo: Thank you.
[09:22] <eagles0513875> cwillu: i upgraded from intrepid to jaunty
[09:22] <eagles0513875> thanks bug
[09:22] <eagles0513875> i foundd it
[09:22] <baffle> matrixblue: Sorry for not following up yesterday; I have *no* idea what was wrong with my xorg installation, I think some files got corrupted under an aborted reboot. I tried wiping xorg, dpkg-reconfiguring, making new ones manually (using ati, fglrx, intel, vesa), reinstalling all xorg packages and so on. No workie. Finally I gave up and reinstalled. I've used linux as a workstation at home/professionally since the late 90s so I am used to debugging craz
[09:22] <eagles0513875> packaged with smbldap-tools
[09:22]  * BUGabundo im going to kill someone!! bah
[09:22]  * eagles0513875 waves to bug abundo
[09:22] <matrixblue> baffle, glad you got it working
[09:23]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick
[09:23] <BUGabundo> bHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[09:23] <BUGabundo> next one, ill leave the #
[09:23]  * BUGabundo cries about LP karma lost ;(
[09:23] <baffle> matrixblue: Well, I didn't really. But didn't have time to debug more, so I did a clean install of the Beta instead.
[09:24] <bullgard4> cwillu: Why did you command me: " read the channel topic"?
[09:29] <BUGabundo> FYI portableubuntu works quiet well, once upgraded to jaunty
[09:32] <cwillu> bullgard4, the release notes are linked there
[09:32] <cwillu> was all
[09:33]  * DanaG wonders when jaunty+1 will be.  =þ
[09:33] <ikonia> 9.10
[09:34] <ikonia> so October is when jaunty +1 will be
[09:34] <BUGabundo> good morning ikonia
[09:35] <BUGabundo> DanaG: you should know that by now!
[09:35] <ikonia> hi
[09:35] <DanaG> er, s/be/have repos/
[09:35] <DanaG> ... =þ
[09:35] <BUGabundo> DanaG: toolchain should open 2 or 3 weeks after JJ release
[09:36] <bullgard4> cwillu: Really? What exact string there links to what exactly?
[09:36] <BUGabundo> bullgard4: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[09:36] <Ienorand> DanaG: April 30th according to schedule
[09:37] <Ienorand> toolchain uploaded
[09:37] <BUGabundo> ok, so one week
[09:37] <BUGabundo> lol
[09:38] <bullgard4> BUGabundo: Thank you for providing me this link a second time. I am just studying this article.
[09:38] <BUGabundo> bullgard4: that link was what cwillu was trying to give you too
[09:38] <bullgard4> Ah, I see.
[09:38] <DanaG> ah, I'll wait for something more substantial... like a kernel, or something.
[09:41] <BUGabundo> DanaG: it won't take long
[09:42] <BUGabundo> kernel team already has 30rc kernels ready in Mainland
[09:43] <DanaG> Sweet.
[09:44] <DanaG> Any of the staging drivers, or such?
[09:44] <BUGabundo> you can test it right now!
[09:44] <DanaG> One big thing for me is the disk-protection driver: hp-accel.
[09:44] <BUGabundo>  !mainland
[09:44] <DanaG> I have the Mainline thing, but I need either nvidia (on one laptop) or fglrx (on the other).
[09:44] <DanaG> =þ
[09:44] <BUGabundo> cwillu: link please
[09:45] <DanaG> And the fglrx one is in for service.
[09:45] <BUGabundo> nvidia is fine
[09:45] <cwillu> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ is the release notes
[09:45] <BUGabundo>  !mainline
[09:45] <cwillu> oh, mainline, one sec
[09:45] <cwillu> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[09:46] <BUGabundo>  !mainline is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[09:46] <dmadev_> hi to all... in the 9.04 will be any tool to upgrade from an i386 to amd64 platform?
[09:46] <BUGabundo> dmadev_: its not possible to change archs! you need to reisntall
[09:47] <cwillu> BUGabundo, ^^^
[09:47] <cwillu> ah, you saw that :p
[09:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[09:47]  * cwillu needs to stop switching channels
[09:47] <cwillu> dmadev_, not that I know of
[09:47] <cwillu> it's a pretty dramatic change
[09:47] <DanaG> BUGabundo:  nvidia 180.44 builds on it?
[09:48] <cwillu> DanaG, yes
[09:48] <BUGabundo> dnno
[09:48] <cwillu> DanaG, I'm using 2.6.29 from mainline with nvidia right now
[09:48] <DanaG> On 2.6.30-rc1, I mean.
[09:48] <cwillu> dkms
[09:48] <DanaG> Not sure I even remember what's new in 30-rc1.
[09:48] <cwillu> should Just Work with dkms
[09:48] <BUGabundo> if my crashs keep up, I may need to test them
[09:48] <BUGabundo> leann recommend me too
[09:49] <BUGabundo> cwillu: don't DKMS have a MAX version limit?
[09:49] <dmadev_> cwillu: and do you know if everything goes fine if i just use the amd64 cdrom tu upgrade an i386?
[09:49] <cwillu> BUGabundo, it's up to the particular module
[09:49] <cwillu> dmadev_, doubt it'll do anything to be honest
[09:49] <BUGabundo> dmadev_: that would be CRAZY
[09:49] <cwillu> you could install over top, but that's not the same, and I don't think you can maintain /home doing that anyway
[09:50] <dmadev_> BUGabundo: i know.. but I've a system setted up with an i386 and i've to pass to amd64
[09:50] <cwillu> fglrx's issues usually stem from not supporting the newer xorgs, although I haven't had the privilege of running hardware that requires fglrx yet :p
[09:50] <dmadev_> cwillu: i've to mantain /opt not /home
[09:50] <cwillu> dmadev_, pretty sure you're going to need to reinstall
[09:50] <BUGabundo> dmadev_: install in dual boot? and then copy setting and diff /etc
[09:50] <cwillu> or do things by hand, but if you knew enough to do that, I don't think you'd be asking
[09:50] <BUGabundo> ok then diff /opt
[09:51] <BUGabundo> dmadev_: what do you have in /opt?
[09:51] <BUGabundo> is it arch agostic ?
[09:51] <dmadev_> BUGabundo: nice proposal.. maybe i'll do the diff thing ;)
[09:51] <dmadev_> BUGabundo: some third party software
[09:52] <DanaG> how about /etc?
[09:52] <DanaG> FOr example, I've tweaked dnsmasq, among tons of other things.
[09:54] <ubuntistas> what's new in jackalope is it faster?
[09:54] <ubuntistas> 	<ubuntistas>	and stabele?
[09:54] <topyli> DanaG: your third party software is 32bit anyway isn't it?
[09:54] <BUGabundo> ubuntistas: read topic
[09:54] <topyli> ubuntistas: no it's not stable
[09:54] <BUGabundo> ubuntistas:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[09:54] <ubuntistas> i mean the completed version
[09:54] <BUGabundo> ubuntistas: ^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:55] <topyli> we certainly hope so
[09:55] <DanaG> I don't use really much third-party software, myself.  Or rather, not much non-repo not-ppa-either software.
[09:56] <BUGabundo> eheh a have a few
[09:56] <BUGabundo> let me pastebin my sources
[09:56] <BUGabundo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[09:57] <BUGabundo> bah
[09:57] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/151957/
[09:57] <cwillu> lol
[09:57] <BUGabundo> bad copy paste from cli
[09:57] <dmadev_> lol
[09:58] <BUGabundo> now beat that sources.list !! eheh
[10:01] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you don't split your ppa's out into seperate .list files in /etc/apt/sources.d/?
[10:01] <cwillu> silly man :p
[10:02] <cwillu> and no comments!?
[10:03] <virtuald> bugbuntu
[10:03] <virtuald> the shit froze again
[10:03] <virtuald> when the screen saver was on
[10:03] <virtuald> as ususal
[10:04] <cwillu> virtuald, bug<tab> will complete to his full name (BUGabundo), which will make sure it shows up on his screen
[10:04] <virtuald> i'm not talking to him, i'm talking about ubuntu :)
[10:04] <cwillu> if you don't spell a name exactly right, they probably won't get a notify about it, and may miss that you said anything :p
[10:04] <cwillu> ah, silly person :p
[10:05]  * cwillu restrains the rage he feels at people complaining about pre-releases, yes they're buggy, that's the point :p
[10:05] <virtuald> (:
[10:05] <cwillu> at least file a bug on the topic, you'll probably find useful information has already been posted
[10:05] <virtuald> debian isn't like this
[10:05] <cwillu> virtuald, it is when things are changing, yes
[10:06] <virtuald> i'll probably find out it has to do with the radeon driver
[10:06] <virtuald> not so much when running testing iirc
[10:06] <cwillu> Running a prerelease without the intention of reporting issues to launchpad and so forth isn't useful
[10:07] <virtuald> i've reported isses though they're probably duplicates of reports i haven't found
[10:07] <cwillu> a beta of ubuntu isn't the equivilent of debian's testing though, we've got a far shorter release cycle, which means all the bugs that might show up in the entire test cycle are compressed into a fairly short period
[10:08] <cwillu> re: launchpad, make the best title you can, it'll give you a good list of possible dupes
[10:09] <cwillu> if anything, our normal releases are akin to their testing release, and our lts's are equivilent to their stable releases
[10:09] <SandGorgon> when is the next beta of jaunty due ?
[10:09] <virtuald> now both update-manager and apt-get coredumps, hooray :)
[10:10] <virtuald> let's see if apport works
[10:11] <cwillu> SandGorgon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[10:13] <SandGorgon> cwillu: thanks!
[10:14] <SandGorgon> oh ... today is ReleaseCandidate....
[10:14] <virtuald> bug 362213
[10:15] <virtuald> bug 362213
[10:17] <BUGabundo> there we go, 1st guy screaming RC
[10:18] <BUGabundo> cwillu: comments? what for! lolol I better know what I have there, and most are clear enough!
[10:18] <cwillu> BUGabundo, comments?
[10:18]  * cwillu checks his scrollback
[10:19] <cwillu> oh, right
[10:19] <BUGabundo> ehe
[10:19] <cwillu> third party repositories give me the willies.  Sure, it's better than having 15 different update managers running, but we really _really_ need to get a mechanism in place to limit what packages a particular repository is permitted to replace
[10:20] <BUGabundo> now I remember why I ran my rsync scripts as root! stupid thing keeps timeouting for sudo pass
[10:20] <BUGabundo> yep,yes we need
[10:20] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you don't rsync from cron?
[10:20] <BUGabundo> UM should PIN down 3rt parties
[10:20] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I never know when I'm online or if it is a good time to rsync 8 ubuntu cd/dvd iso
[10:21] <cwillu> BUGabundo, did you see my xautolock script?
[10:21] <cwillu> triggers the cron job via anacron based on the idle time of the session
[10:22] <BUGabundo> 32bits dvd is good. getting next, and staying way from keyboard.... massive IO from rsync
[10:22] <cwillu> ionice is your friend :)
[10:22] <cwillu> ext3?
[10:22] <BUGabundo> cwillu: looks like you never read my scripts!!!
[10:22]  * cwillu can't remember, does nice -n 20 set ionice as well?
[10:23] <BUGabundo> of course I use ionice -c3
[10:23] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you never linked them to me
[10:23] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[10:23] <BUGabundo> old ones!
[10:23] <BUGabundo> I'll pastebin the new ones
[10:23] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you can run a command directly via ionice as well
[10:24] <cwillu> time ionice -c3 nice -n 15 rsync... should work
[10:24] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/151967/
[10:24] <cwillu> oh, weird, you aren't even ionicing the wget
[10:24] <cwillu> or rsync
[10:25] <cwillu> BUGabundo, can I suggest making a function and calling it once which each download location?
[10:25] <cwillu> and make time nice -n 15 rsync ... into time ionice -c3 nice -n 15 rsync...
[10:25] <BUGabundo> ah??
[10:25] <BUGabundo> I have one per file!
[10:25] <cwillu> yes, but you're repeating 5 lines with one line different each time
[10:25] <BUGabundo> haaa I never got around to ionice rsync
[10:25] <BUGabundo> DUUUHHH
[10:25] <cwillu> programming technique here :)
[10:26] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I like to have separate files! I usually just run one or 2
[10:26] <cwillu> nicing the rsync probably won't matter much, it's the io that kills you, not the cpu usage
[10:26] <BUGabundo> yeah
[10:26] <BUGabundo> let me sed that
[10:26] <BUGabundo> ohhh that will require even more sudo power!
[10:27] <cwillu> one sec, I'm rewriting it for you :p
[10:27] <BUGabundo> WTH do I need SUDO to low a process
[10:27] <BUGabundo> stupid thing!
[10:27] <BUGabundo> I get that I need it to UP but for down?
[10:31] <cwillu> you don't need to sudo to nice something up, but you always need sudo to change the io class
[10:33] <cwillu> BUGabundo, almost done :p
[10:36] <DanaG> NICE is positive == lower priority.
[10:36] <cwillu> yes, that's the intent
[10:36] <cwillu> BUGabundo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/151971/
[10:36] <DanaG> !info schedtool
[10:37] <cwillu> BUGabundo, granted that I haven't tested that, but that should be almost exactly what you need
[10:37] <cwillu> notice how you can change the file without the use of sed :p
[10:37] <cwillu> this is a Good Thing.
[10:39] <BUGabundo> DanaG: yeah I know
[10:40] <BUGabundo> cwillu: not using sed looses me geek points eheeh
[10:40] <cwillu> BUGabundo, no, cut-and-paste programming loses you geek cred
[10:41] <cwillu> BUGabundo, http://www.indiangeek.net/programmer-competency-matrix/ -> problem decomposition
[10:41] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[10:41] <BUGabundo> you even rewrote old stuff from 8.10
[10:41] <BUGabundo> eheh
[10:42] <cwillu> level 0 == Only straight line code with copy/paste for reuse
[10:42] <crdlb> shell scripting isn't programming (or at least that's what I tell myself :P)
[10:42] <cwillu> BUGabundo, that's everything that was in your script, took like 3 seconds to convert the old entries :p
[10:42] <cwillu> crdlb, that's no excuse :p
[10:42] <crdlb> I find it amazing that I used to try to do complex things in bash
[10:42] <cwillu> the term "scripting language" _comes_ from shell scripting
[10:43] <cwillu> python was originally made to be a better shell script
[10:43] <crdlb> instead of learning a more powerful language
[10:43]  * BUGabundo is ashamed of the time he spent doing .bat (batch files) in mid 90ies
[10:43] <crdlb> cwillu: that's perl :)
[10:43] <cwillu> no, perl was a report language
[10:43] <crdlb> python was derived from a teaching language
[10:43]  * BUGabundo screams "Fight Fight Fight !!!"
[10:43] <crdlb> it's remarkably bad for shell tasks
[10:44] <crdlb> there's a reason why all those python buildsystems are horrible
[10:44] <DanaG> hah, Skype STILL doesn't handle ALSA properly.
[10:44] <DanaG> http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=112021&st=20
[10:44] <cwillu> okay, but still :p
[10:45] <cwillu> it's still no excuse for cutting and pasting the same 7 lines 12 times with one term included in each one 5 times, modified for each block
[10:45] <cwillu> I mean, you even included the shebang line once for each block! :p
[10:46] <crdlb> it's modular!
[10:46] <cwillu> Before cwillu:
[10:46] <cwillu> before cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/151967/
[10:46] <cwillu> after cwillu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/151971/
[10:46]  * cwillu beams :p
[10:47]  * cwillu didn't handle quoting correctly, but /me doesn't care too much :p
[10:47] <BUGabundo> did I  say EACH was a file?'
[10:47] <cwillu> ugh!?
[10:47] <cwillu> you copied and pasted code across _files_?
[10:47] <cwillu> you're evil
[10:47] <cwillu> pure evil
[10:47] <cwillu> I mean, seriously, you embrace the cause of the bugs that you claim to fight against :p
[10:48] <cwillu> and to think I offered to vouch for you :)
[10:48] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I cated it pastebinit
[10:48] <BUGabundo> cat rsyncubuntu* does wonders
[10:48] <cwillu> BUGabundo, yes, and I'm saying that's even more evil than cutting/pasting in a single file :p
[10:48] <BUGabundo> LOL
[10:48] <Trewas> cwillu: ionicing wget when fetching the md5sum file seems bit excessive :)
[10:48] <BUGabundo> it was the easy way
[10:49] <BUGabundo> it grew over time
[10:49] <cwillu> Trewas, I was in the neighbourhood :p
[10:49] <BUGabundo> I only had one, once
[10:49] <BUGabundo> Trewas: yeah! bad coding from me
[10:49] <cwillu> that was my addition actually :p
[10:49] <cwillu> BUGabundo, google "the dry principle", and be enlightened :)
[10:50] <BUGabundo> to busy
[10:50] <BUGabundo> ok.. back to work
[10:50] <BUGabundo> bbl
[10:50] <ssd> where i can check what will be new in Jaunty ? :)
[10:50] <cwillu> release notes, linked from the front page of ubuntu.com
[10:50] <BUGabundo> ssd:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[10:50]  * BUGabundo becomes autobot
[10:51] <ssd> BUGabundo: thank you live bot :P
[10:51]  * BUGabundo hates release days
[10:51] <BUGabundo>  !mainline
[10:51] <drbobb> duh, is it me or is jaunty's kopete pretty much broken?
[10:51] <BUGabundo> bad ops!
[10:53] <ssd> can i switch to ext4 file system from ext3 or it need fresh install ?
[10:53] <BUGabundo> ssd: you can
[10:53] <BUGabundo> I just don't remember how
[10:54] <cwillu> ssd, be aware of bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu+bug/330824/
[10:54] <ssd> soon it will be released :) so i dont know if i will wait for 9.04 or install 8.10 again
[10:54] <cwillu> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu+bug/330824/ rather
[10:55]  * cwillu mutters:  http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/330824/ 
[10:55] <dns53> i think the kernel newbies has how to convert to ext4
[10:55] <cwillu> I'd suggest holding off until that has a fix
[10:56] <dns53> http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/yourfilesystem and run a fsck after
[10:56] <cwillu> except don't, unless want to risk running into the bug mentioned above
[10:58] <ssd> Is mark shuttleworth on IRC ? :D
[10:59] <BUGabundo> ssd: some times
[10:59] <ssd> which nick he use ?
[10:59] <BUGabundo> eheh
[10:59] <BUGabundo> see his wiki page
[10:59] <jpds> BUGabundo: What a strange nick.
[11:00] <BUGabundo> jpds: humm thanks?!?
[11:00] <jpds> BUGabundo: I was joking about the 'eheh' ;-)
[11:01] <BUGabundo> ahahahaahah
[11:01] <BUGabundo> yep... missed that
[11:01] <BUGabundo> and there goes ubottu now
[11:01] <ssd> cand find it -_-
[11:04] <shambat> anyone here tried Wubi? Will Wubi 9.04 be available soon?
[11:05] <BUGabundo> isn't it  already?
[11:05] <shambat> think only 8.10
[11:07] <ziroday> shambat: you can always install 8.10 and the do-release-upgrade to 9.04
[11:08] <shambat> ziroday: yeah I was just curious since Wubi documentation mentions that such upgrades from 7.04 to 7.10 are not a good idea....but it could be that this is no longer a problem
[11:09] <ziroday> shambat: "Upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 is supported." So I presume 8.10 to 9.04 is too
[11:10] <joejc> how do i get the notifyer thing in 8.10?
[11:10] <shambat> ok
[11:10] <ziroday> joejc: find the notify-osd package somewhere or compile it yourself. But its unlikely to work
[11:10] <joejc> why?
[11:11] <cwillu> joejc, lots of packages where fixed to use it properly, by the time you've made the same changes, you're practically running jaunty anyway
[11:11] <cwillu> s/where/were/
[11:12] <ziroday> joejc: notify-osd is a huge change, not just another app :)
[11:12] <joejc> im not even using ubuntu so upgrading to jaunty would be bad
[11:13] <ziroday> joejc: *shrug*, use ubuntu then :)
[11:13] <joejc> i like mint better
[11:13] <ziroday> everyone to there own
[11:14] <joejc> it ubuntu + time saving with a toping of look good
[11:17] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I would be Level ~1.5 in that coder matrix
[11:18] <BUGabundo> closer to 1.3x
[11:19] <kane77> where is the proper place to discuss notify-osd integration into apps?
[11:19] <BUGabundo> kane77: #dx
[11:19] <BUGabundo> but let us know what it comes up from that
[11:20]  * kane77 is suspicious :)
[11:20] <cwillu> BUGabundo, the dry principle is quite an important one to be aware of
[11:20] <kane77> BUGabundo, isn't it directX channel?
[11:21] <cwillu> there's about 8 people in it :p
[11:21] <BUGabundo> kane77: it wasn't in the past LOL
[11:22] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I'm a good coder and a great tester.... beat most of my univ collegues in debuging
[11:22] <BUGabundo> I just hate codding...
[11:23] <JackWinter> hiya, making another attempt at installing jaunty, this time via intrepid.  bit miffed to see that intrepid clobbered my existing grub (separate partition) without even asking.  hope jaunty install from cd doesn't do that anymore.  reminds me of some other os' :)
[11:24] <kane77> to explain, I would like to make sip-communicator use the notify-osd instead of own way of displaying notification popups, which is nice, but uses too much resources
[11:24] <JackWinter> another 18 minutes to idle away updating the system before i can do the distupgrade
[11:24] <GrimmVarg> hei guys, any macbook users who has managed to get drag and drop working?
[11:25] <GrimmVarg> of using the second graphicscard perhaps?
[11:25] <BUGabundo> JackWinter: just check the ADVANCE option on the last install step
[11:25] <BUGabundo> and come to #ubuntu-testing for installer support
[11:25] <JackWinter> BUGabundo: to late, was that for the partitioning ?
[11:25] <BUGabundo> after
[11:26] <BUGabundo> last Step, or question
[11:26] <BUGabundo> it lets you choose how to setup bootloader and use cases with already existing ones
[11:26] <BUGabundo> of course if you don't use it, installer will try to set up a new one
[11:27] <JackWinter> BUGabundo: oops, then i was to fast :)  i was pretty sure it would ask me, but now it's too late.  will have to brush up on the grub syntax now :)
[11:28] <BUGabundo> JackWinter: 90% don't even know what grub is..... why ask?
[11:28] <BUGabundo> its on ADVANCE which should be YOUR case
[11:28] <BUGabundo> LOL
[11:29] <JackWinter> BUGabundo: suppose you are right, my fault for not paying attention :)
[11:31] <BUGabundo> or not asking *us*, the always helpful bots
[11:33] <JackWinter> BUGabundo: did the advanced partitioning, was expecting to find it there or to be prompted, didn't notice any advanced tab after that.  my fault, so it never occured to ask the bots beforehand.  sure you have enough to do anyways :)
[11:34] <BUGabundo> oh no.... we are lifeless :)
[11:34] <BUGabundo> JackWinter: file a bug on usability on the installer!
[11:34] <BUGabundo> I guess you are right! disk advance options should also cover grub
[11:34] <JackWinter> BUGabundo: not sure it's a bug...  just didn't occur to me.
[11:34] <mmilliman> mmmm...grub
[11:35] <BUGabundo> JackWinter: key word there: "usability"
[11:35] <JackWinter> is it the same in the jaunty installer ?
[11:36] <mmilliman> I hope root terminal will get fixed soon
[11:36] <BUGabundo> JackWinter: ah?
[11:36] <JackWinter> noted that it automatically used a swap partition without being told to do so too.  still have a swap lying around, but don't use it anymore
[11:37] <JackWinter> BUGabundo: this was the kubuntu intrepid installer
[11:37] <DanaG> heh, I wonder if I could run Ubuntu, specifically, on one of these...
[11:37] <DanaG> http://www.monstr.eu/wiki/doku.php?id=boards:s3e1600:s3e1600
[11:37] <DanaG> it'd need 2.6.30 kernel with microblaze architecture.  =þ
[11:43] <twocarlo> does ubuntu jaunty comes with flashplayer plugin preinstalled
[11:43] <BUGabundo> twocarlo: of course NOT
[11:44] <BUGabundo> closed source stuff? wth
[11:44] <Tekno> not with adobe at least
[11:51] <tosh> does anyone know when the release candidate iso will be ready for download?
[11:52] <tosh> or should i just use the iso build from 14. april
[11:52] <tosh> hi
[11:52] <tosh> -hi
[11:54] <GrimmVarg> tosh: 24 i think, and yeah, you can just use the build from the 14 and the upgrade
[11:55] <GrimmVarg> *then
[11:56] <tosh> GrimmVarg: thank you
[11:56] <un|matrix> guys, UHCI and EHCI modules are missing in jaunty
[11:57] <un|matrix> i don't think the users will be too happy about that :P
[12:00] <JackWinter> un|matrix: if that is true, i won't be very happy once this upgrade is over :)
[12:00] <un|matrix> well when i type sudo modprobe uhci i get this
[12:00] <un|matrix> FATAL: Module uhci not found.
[12:00] <un|matrix> same for ehci
[12:01] <GrimmVarg> does anybody know if it is possible to swith between the grapichs cards on macbook pros in the beta?
[12:05] <un|matrix> JackWinter please check for the modules when you're done upgrading; though i'm pretty sure i'm not delusional
[12:05] <JackWinter> un|matrix: i will.  what does lsmod show ?
[12:06] <un|matrix> only ohci
[12:07] <un|matrix> the actual file is missing too, it should be in /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/host
[12:08] <BUGabundo> tosh: get the dalily
[12:11] <JackWinter> un|matrix: weird, i suppose you  have usb2 devices too ?
[12:11] <JackWinter> or hosts rather
[12:11] <un|matrix> no, i'm running my ubuntu on a commodore
[12:12] <un|matrix> yes i have usb2.0 devices :)
[12:12] <JackWinter> i thought you might :)
[12:15] <JackWinter> un|matrix: what does make menuconfig say ?
[12:16] <abcdef> When will the RC be released?
[12:16] <un|matrix> lets see
[12:18] <JackWinter> or cat /usr/src/linux-2.6.28-11-generic/.config (i suppose if you have the kernel sources installed) ?
[12:18] <un|matrix> JackWinter: UHCI is marked as built-in
[12:18] <JackWinter> ah, then you won't have it as a loadable module :)
[12:19] <un|matrix> but so is OHCI
[12:22] <un|matrix> oh it's alright then
[12:22] <un|matrix> except that i can't get USB2.0 support
[12:23] <JackWinter> what does cat /proc/modules | grep uhci say ?
[12:23] <un|matrix> null
[12:25] <JackWinter> weird...  sounds like something broken then, and grep usb
[12:26] <un|matrix> wait, it may be a layer 8 problem after all
[12:29] <JackWinter> i have both ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd loaded as modules, but still on 8.10
[12:34] <un|matrix> Nokia E65 should be able to do USB2.0 right?
[12:37] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  My cpu frequency scaling is stuck at 800mhz despite all my attempts to make my box run at 2133mhz---cpufreqd doesn't scale up when I'm running at 100% cpu usage with AC plugged in.  What do I do to fix this?
[12:38] <Sjimmie_> jonaskoelker: Are you sure it's not a bios setting? Does it work with another OS on it2A?
[12:38] <un|matrix> JackWinter: looks like it's working @ 2.0, it just lists it as 1.1
[12:39] <jonaskoelker> Sjimmie_: I can sometimes get it up to 2133, but for very brief periods
[12:40] <jonaskoelker> it ~always seems to go down to to 800 ~shortly after
[12:40] <jonaskoelker> (~: roughly and not-operationally-defined-'ly speaking)
[12:40] <jonaskoelker> sometimes cpufreqd stays at 1600 for a while
[12:41] <jonaskoelker> it's often the case that when I plug the AC in, then echo 2133000 > /sys/**/scaling_max_freq, it stays at 2133mhz for a minute or so
[12:42] <jonaskoelker> but if I while sleep 1m; [the above command], it seems to not work well, so the unplug/replug of AC is apparently necessary
[12:43] <un|matrix> JackWinter: thanks for your help
[12:47] <KRF> jonaskoelker, that depends on your cpu load
[12:47] <virtuald> there we go again
[12:47] <KRF> thats called dynamic scaling
[12:47] <jonaskoelker> KRF: if it stays at a non-maximal frequency at 100% despite me asking for performance, that's quite clearly a problem, yes? ...
[12:49] <NERON> help i ahve problem with jockey kde
[12:49] <NERON> *have
[12:50] <NERON> jockey  don't download drivers
[13:00] <JackWinter> what is the reccomended way to install closed nvidia drivers in kubuntu 9.04 ?
[13:03] <JackWinter> ah, found it :)
[13:10] <aLeSD> hi all
[13:11] <aLeSD> I just update my beta and on reboot I am dropped to the sheel
[13:11] <aLeSD> it says : ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid ... ... does not exist
[13:12] <aLeSD> could someone help me ?
[13:13] <suffice> hey...ive been using kde jaunty for a few weekks now...things are pretty good except that xorg seems to take up like 80% of my cpu (old 1.5GHz).... i thought thatbeing the beta woudl have been the problem, but as we get closer to the release date with still no improvements i thought i might ask if anyone has run into it  at all?
[13:14] <GrimmVarg> hey, any moacbook pro users that have figured out how to enable the integrated graphic card? There are two, a GF9600M GT and a GF9400M, the latter is integrated and not showing up with "lspci" , thanks
[13:14] <suffice> and my myth-fonts are all messed.... cant setup backend properly because of it
[13:22] <ellar> hello, can someone close a bug for me?
[13:23] <ellar> think Bug #362277 is solved
[13:24] <maxb> No special permissions are required to set a bug to a closed status
[13:24] <maxb> just be confident that it really is solved
[13:27] <rmrfslash> Does anyone on here use Jaunty and a Verizon USB modem?
[13:27] <ellar> i am sure but i don't find the option. I think i should be able to set status to closed
[13:27] <rmrfslash> ....and kubuntu
[13:29] <rmrfslash> Way back in the 8.10 days knetworkmanager allowed me to simply plug in my USB modem and connect. Now w/ the NetworkManagement plasmoid it thinks I have an Ovation U720 or a 1.1 root hub and I can't connect for the life of me.
[13:29] <mynameistux> where is the webpage with the jaunty beta torrent files?
[13:29] <vega> mynameistux: /topic
[13:32] <mrwes> how do I enable the beta release in update manager?
[13:32] <JMFTheVCI> mrwes: update-manager -d
[13:33] <SwedeMike> mrwes: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[13:33] <mrwes> k
[13:33] <mrwes> danke
[13:33] <topyli> then walk around your computer three times, wave a dead chicken, and so on and so on. the normal routine
[13:34] <GrimmVarg> hey, any moacbook pro users that have figured out how to enable the integrated graphic card? There are two, a GF9600M GT and a GF9400M, the latter is integrated and not showing up with "lspci" , thanks
[13:37] <jack2> hmm, anyone know how to get dkms working with closed nvidia, i've installed dkm, and linux-headers, anything else i need ?
[13:38] <BUGabundo> topyli: LOL
[13:40] <custombrush> my system fans are running very fast at kde 4 and under gnome very slower
[13:42] <topyli> cwillu: re the ext4 freezes. never happens on my desktop (64bit, real hard disk obviously), only on the eeepc
[13:43] <cwillu> topyli, it seems to be quite dependent on the system
[13:43] <cwillu> topyli, most of my machines experience it, but I don't have much in the way of high end equipment
[13:43] <cwillu> more memory and slower cpu _seems_ to make it more common
[13:43] <cwillu> or at least easier to trigger :/
[13:44] <topyli> i'm pretty certain it's about the price of the machine!
[13:44] <cwillu> dunno, this was an expensive'ish machine a long time ago :p
[13:44] <khunt> what is the easiest way to convert xubuntu to ubuntu is the only difference the desktop environment?
[13:44] <topyli> initially i thought it depends on the level of user prettiness but we can rule that out now after my experience
[13:45] <cwillu> khunt, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will do it
[13:45] <Pici> khunt: install the ubuntu-desktop metapackage.
[13:45] <khunt> thanks guys
[13:45] <topyli> khunt: yes it's only the desktop and collection of apps
[13:45]  * cwillu glosses over gdm and usplash themes :p
[13:46] <wirechief> good morning B
[13:46] <wirechief> good morning BUGabundo
[13:47] <khunt> hmm couldnt find package
[13:47] <khunt> just doing an update
[13:48] <khunt> sorted
[13:49] <BUGabundo> wirechief: hey, its after lunch here
[13:49] <khunt> which desktop will it boot into by default? how do i choose or can i just remove xfce
[13:49] <wirechief> good morning cwillu updated mesa with 7.4-0ubuntu2~bug359392~1
[13:50] <wirechief> BUGabundo: just getting morning coffee here. lots of new updates last night.
[13:51] <khunt> is sudo apt-get remove xfce sufficient to remove xfce desktop?
[13:53] <cwillu> wirechief, might try installing 2.6.30rc2 and seeing if exa with no additional options works properly
[13:53] <cwillu> wirechief, there's some patches in there that are promising
[13:53] <wirechief> cwillu ok
[13:53] <matrixblue> mornin wirechief
[13:54] <aapzak> guys, I'd like to use xorg-server 1.6.1 instead of current 1.6.1 , would that be possible?
[13:54] <wirechief> good morning matrixblue
[13:54] <cwillu> aapzak, as stated, no
[13:54] <aapzak> cwillu: even if I build it myself?
[13:54] <cwillu> aapzak, unless I'm completely misunderstanding
[13:54] <matrixblue> I've had no updates for the last 24 hours
[13:55] <cwillu> aapzak, 1.6.1 instead of 1.6.1¿
[13:55] <aapzak> no
[13:55] <aapzak> :)
[13:55] <aapzak> funny me :) 1.6.0 is current, right?
[13:55] <aapzak> 1.6.1. instead of 1.6.0
[13:56] <wirechief> cwillu i have Option "AccelMethod" "exa" in my xorg.conf atm
[13:56] <cwillu> aapzak, can't see why not, I don't know that there are any useful debs already available though
[13:56] <cwillu> wirechief, are things working properly right now?
[13:56] <wirechief> cwillu so far, i made changes about 4am
[13:57] <wirechief> cwillu i have to do the bulk of my downloading between 3am and 7am
[13:57] <cwillu> wirechief, what chipset are you running again?
[13:57] <cwillu> you had fairly consistent crashes before, right?
[13:58] <wirechief> cwillu i have 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[13:58] <alleykat> my jaunty has been just about rock stable since a4 - only had 1 crash, probably self-induced
[13:59] <Belboz99> Hey all, is it just me, or is the MythTV project looking like it's develpopment has slowed too much?   No releases in 1 year, no changes made to code in at least 1 month :/
[13:59] <wirechief> cwillu well i had 2 crashes at the begining of this bug within an hour of each and i was just using firefox and konversation
[13:59] <vvk-> is it possible to change Gnome default terminal's settings so that I don't have to do ctrl-click to open urls? normal LMB-click should be enough.
[13:59] <Belboz99> Does anyone know if Mythbuntu 9.04 will have any new features?
[13:59] <cwillu> wirechief, firefox scrolling and similar?
[13:59] <wirechief> cwillu i have un-installed compiz (did that this morning)
[13:59] <alleykat> I run with 2 screens on an ATI HD 3600, and the System > Administration > Multiple Screens tool seems to be a bit buggy..
[14:00] <cwillu> wirechief, can you turn it on and verify that you still don't get crashes?
[14:00] <cwillu> (uninstalled compiz or just turned it off?)
[14:00]  * cwillu hopes just turned it off
[14:00] <cwillu> there's not really any reason to apt-get remove it
[14:00] <wirechief> cwillu well it was actually idle with a screen of information related to debugging while i was changing settings on konversation
[14:00] <alleykat> cant drag any of the screens into the other boxes, but I can drag them out of the window - but if I do that for screen 1, desktop (except mouse) freezes
[14:00] <wirechief> cwillu sure
[14:01] <cwillu> thanks
[14:02] <aLeSD> mmm ... someone could compile nvidia driver in linux-rt kernel ?
[14:02] <wirechief> cwillu now have this ii  compiz                                     1:0.8.2-0ubuntu7
[14:03] <aapzak> cwillu: the UXA memory leak we discussed earlier, it is a xserver-xorg-core bug, right?
[14:03] <cwillu> just fire compiz --replace up in a terminal;  if things go south, you should be able to ctrl-c and type "metacity --replace" blind to get things back
[14:03] <cwillu> believe so
[14:04] <cwillu> I think it may actually be known, but honestly I'm getting a little out of it from lack of sleep, so I'm not sure I trust my memory right now :)
[14:04] <aapzak> :)
[14:04] <BUGabundo> cwillu: that is if you manage to get the Terminal
[14:04] <BUGabundo> I fail several times
[14:04] <BUGabundo> that's why I always have fusion icon
[14:04] <aapzak> I hope/think/suspect that this bug is fixed in 1.6.1
[14:04]  * cwillu gets confused
[14:04] <cwillu> BUGabundo, oh, heh
[14:05] <cwillu> I meant, if things go south immediately
[14:05] <cwillu> i.e., the terminal will still have focus if you don't click anything
[14:05] <BUGabundo> usually compiz --reload a 2nd time fixes that
[14:05] <BUGabundo> mvo has one or 2 bugs from me on that
[14:05] <BUGabundo> cwillu: not everytime
[14:05] <BUGabundo> some times I just change to another desktop just to be sure
[14:06] <BUGabundo> or minime everything else
[14:06] <mbeierl> it is also possible to get to console (ctrl-alt-f1), log in there, export DISPLAY=:0.0 and then do a metacity --replace& and then go back
[14:06] <mbeierl> I've had to do that more than a few times :)
[14:06]  * cwillu points BUGabundo at the above "I'm going insane from lack of sleep so don't trust anything I say right now" line, and giggles
[14:07] <cwillu> honestly, I'm not sure why I'm allowed near the git repo right now :(
[14:07] <jack2> anyone have any tips on getting dkms working with nvidia on jaunty ?  i installed dkms and linux-headers, but still doesn't work ?
[14:07] <aapzak> cwillu: and why don't you just get some sleep?
[14:07] <cwillu> because I'm so productive right now :)
[14:08] <aapzak> :)
[14:09] <definitely> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[14:09] <alleykat> :( now I went and did it.. pressed Apply in Multiple Screens, and my monitors went into clone mode... and the screen settings dialog is just empty
[14:09] <definitely> Why i still can't see RC version for Ubuntu 9.04 ?
[14:09] <alleykat> can I revert that somehow?
[14:09] <BUGabundo> definitely: should come out latter
[14:10] <BUGabundo> cwillu: MAD giggles, CRAZY giggle or stupid giggles?
[14:10]  * alleykat thinks he ran his complete update a day early
[14:10] <definitely> BUGabundo: Thnx for answe :)
[14:10] <Pessoa> any1 tried alpha install???
[14:10] <cwillu> BUGabundo, I don't know that I'm competent to parse that question, let alone answer it
[14:10] <wirechief> BUGabundo: i got a ton of updates last night including oo so they are rushing to the finish line.
[14:10]  * cwillu flips a three-sided coin, and answers "crazy"
[14:11] <BUGabundo> wirechief: I haven't got anything big in 24h
[14:11] <BUGabundo> Pessoa: what?
[14:11] <BUGabundo> Pessoa: alpha is long gone
[14:11] <Pessoa> I asked if anyone has tried installing jaunty?
[14:11] <Neff> Hi everybody... I installed jaunty beta two days ago and I've to say this i'm really amazed about the performance of the new born ubuntu version. The only problem I have is... heat. On my Dell XPS m 1530 laptop it BURNS in the area where memory and HD are located and I don't know what to do, I'm afraid the PC will die soon.... do you have any suggestion?
[14:12] <alleykat> Pessoa, I run it - works great
[14:12] <alleykat> installed the a4 originally
[14:13] <wirechief> BUGabundo:  just one of the updates in openoffice 2009-04-16 03:54:56 status unpacked openoffice.org-writer 1:3.0.1-9ubuntu3  , probably oo was the biggy
[14:13] <BUGabundo> Pessoa: most everyone here
[14:14] <BUGabundo> Neff: what temparture is it ? $ acpi -at
[14:14] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[14:16] <Neff> BUGabundo: now it's just 52 °C but the pc's doing nothing but using pidgin
[14:18] <BUGabundo> mine is at 35. CPU is at 52
[14:18] <BUGabundo> sound okaish
[14:19] <BUGabundo> Neff: its common for laptops to heat a bit, specially after months without mantainence, cleaning or changing termal mass on CPU
[14:20] <mbeierl> Neff: the question is - were you running ubuntu before and this is the first time you've noticed this extreme temperature in that one spot?
[14:20] <wirechief> BUGabundo: what switch to monitor cpu temp ?
[14:21] <cwillu> okay, I have a black triangle, I can go to bed
[14:21] <wirechief>  Thermal 1: ok, 102.2 degrees F
[14:21] <Neff> BUGabundo: on this computer I'm using ubuntu since 2007, It always was a bit hotter than with Vista but now... it's really overheated... consider that the PC is not fully laying on the table... and trust me... this is not normal...
[14:22] <mbeierl> Neff: does the fan run when it gets hot?
[14:22] <wirechief> I dont know what Thermal 1 or 0 is
[14:22] <Neff> mbeierl: yes it's always running at full speed
[14:23] <BUGabundo> wirechief: hddtemp package
[14:23] <Ademan> anyone else having a small spew of errors while apt is processing triggers for the 'menu' package?  The errors look to be related to some xpm files in /var/lib/fvwm-crystal (icons in there? someone needs to reread the FHS) and /usr/share/pixmaps
[14:23] <BUGabundo> neff you can change HDD smart values to somethng like 128 and see if it cools a bit more
[14:23] <un2him> what is the command to see the cpu temp?
[14:23] <Neff> BUGabundo: what?
[14:24] <BUGabundo> Neff: man smartctl
[14:24] <mbeierl> Neff: the reason I ask is that I had a similar problem with cpu temp and the fan running and it actually turned out to be cat hair clogging my vent that I didn't see until the laptop was completely taken apart by a tech who was replacing my lcd...
[14:24] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: that was also what I said! ppl don't clean their laptops
[14:25] <mbeierl> Neff: and it happened around the time that I upgraded too :)
[14:25] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: hee hee... I know better now, I guess
[14:25] <canen_> just upgraded. first thing i notice is that kde is a lot slower. X is taking up about 40% CPU. composite is on, using and ATI card
[14:25] <BUGabundo> canen_: what gpu driver?
[14:26] <canen_> i am guessing the free one since i haven't installed the commercial one yet
[14:26] <canen_> had it before the upgrade though
[14:26] <Neff> mbeierl: OK, I will check if there is dust in it... but you have to explain me why I had not heat problems with intrepid and Vista... I mean... two days ago it was cooler (and I don't have pets around ;))
[14:27] <canen_> yeah, it's using the ati driver
[14:28] <mbeierl> Neff: sorry ... just my $0.02... thought I'd mention it just in case
[14:29] <mbeierl> Neff: another thought ... can you reboot into intrepid or vista still and see if they're cooler?  or is this the only os left on the machine?
[14:30] <mbeierl> Neff: the other possibility is that somehow you're using more CPU for desktop effects because maybe something like proprietary driver didn't install?
[14:31] <khunt> how do i make it default to gnome rather than xfce?
[14:32] <thiebaude> khunt: before you login
[14:32] <thiebaude> options>sessions
[14:33] <Neff> mbeierl: Cpu's is not running at full speed (800 Mhz per core is not too much) and I've NVIDIA proprietary drivers installed and working. BTW, the area where the video card is located is cool... so I don't think the problem is the GPU. The ram slot is the hottest part of the laptop, and it's locatetd right at the right of the hard drive which is also quite hot. One thing I changed switching from intrepid to jaunty is the fs... now I'm using ex
[14:34] <mbeierl> Neff: ext4?  Same here.  Dell D620, core 2 dual (64bit), nvidia, running fairly cool
[14:34] <mbeierl> Neff: it is really odd that the hd or ram seems to be the source of the heat
[14:35] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:36] <thiebaude> hi BluesKaj
[14:36] <Veovis> Good morning
[14:36] <aapzak> cwillu: kde is running smooth, EAX + MigrationHeuristic + EnablePageFlip , X RSS is 253244 already
[14:36] <BluesKaj> hi thiebaude
[14:36] <aapzak> EAX = EXA
[14:38] <Neff> mbeierl: I read something yesterday about hard disk cycle count... in intrepid. They said that the hard disk heat can change depending on the journaling of the fs ... ext3 fs were writing to the disk every 5 seconds, that's why the hard disk is normally hotter in ubuntu than in Vista.
[14:38] <Neff> mbeierl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839998
[14:38] <Neff> mbeierl: I wanted to try this but it's meant for ext3 filesystem
[14:39] <Neff> mbeierl: I don't want to risk too much...
[14:39] <mbeierl> Neff: gimme a sec to read it over
[14:39] <mbeierl> Neff: I only use ext4 for /.  My data is on reiser
[14:39] <Veovis> I'm reading too
[14:40] <Veovis> The second option listed, I guarantee to be safe
[14:40] <Veovis> it has nothing to do with the fs
[14:40] <Veovis> but the first
[14:41] <Veovis> ext4 is almost identical to ext3, so following these instructions should be okay for you, but I'm not 100% on that option
[14:41] <canen_> is there a guide on how to get the commercial ati drivers for ATI?
[14:41] <Veovis> sorry, I'm assuming that you're on ext4 Neff
[14:42] <Neff> Veovis: yes I'm on ext4
[14:42] <Veovis> okay
[14:42] <Neff> Veovis: Where is the "second option"?
[14:42] <Veovis> By default, Ubuntu (actually, Linux in general), has two important features that cause the disk to write every few seconds. The first is the default journal commit time of the ext3 filesystem and the second is the rate at which the kernel wakes up to write dirty pages to disk.
[14:43] <Veovis> that's what I was refering to
[14:43] <Veovis> I'm not making myself very clear today, I apologize
[14:43] <Neff> ok
[14:44] <BluesKaj> write dirty pages ?
[14:44] <Veovis> okay, it looks safe, but to be sure: do you have / and /home as seperate partitions Neff?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> are you referring to the swap file?
[14:45] <nemo> Neff: Vista doesn't write to disc periodically?
[14:45] <nemo> Neff: in that case, how do they avoid data corruption?
[14:45] <nemo> Vista is no less crashy than ubuntu
[14:45] <Neff> Veovis: yes I have two ext4 partitions, one for / and one for /home
[14:45] <nemo> that's why ubuntu increased the syncs, no?
[14:45] <Veovis> I'm not sure what I'm refering to, other than the fact that it's a kernal feature and not a filesystem feature BluesKaj
[14:46] <Veovis> it was a quote
[14:46] <Veovis> *kernel
[14:46] <Neff> nemo: I don't know how Vista works
[14:46] <Neff> nemo: do you?
[14:46] <nemo> Neff: no. but you said the discs were hotter
[14:47] <nemo> in ubuntu
[14:47] <nemo> so I thought that was odd
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ok Veovis , I still prefer the structure of ext vs ntfs
[14:47] <nemo> after all. the disc activity is just to persist filesystem changes
[14:47] <Neff> nemo: yes they are and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839998 confirms that
[14:47] <nemo> Neff: you either persist it to disc, or you get corruption
[14:47] <nemo> Neff: I see no mention of Vista there.
[14:47] <Sebio> hello
[14:48] <Neff> Veovis: do you suggest to try the command and switch from 5 to 60 as described in the guide?
[14:48] <Veovis> Neff: I haven't read all the way through, I just read enough to understand what they were doing.  Is there a way to only increase the length on your / partition?
[14:48] <Sebio> anyone know how many hours till release candidate ISOs are up online?
[14:48] <nemo> Neff: but. I'm just noting, as I understand it, this is a simple tradeoff
[14:48] <nemo> Neff: either you increase syncs, or you increase risk of corruption at abnormal shutdown
[14:49] <Veovis> Neff: If there is, try that to make sure nothing crashes, which it shouldn't
[14:49] <Veovis> Neff: and I would make the number a little lower, maybe 30 seconds
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Sebio , I don't think the Official RC is til next week
[14:50] <Neff> Veovis: the risk is to loose everything I did in the last 60 seconds right?
[14:50] <don333> BluesKaj: so is there a delay? RC should be ready today
[14:50] <nemo> Neff: not necessarily.
[14:50] <nemo> but I guess sure :)
[14:50] <Veovis> Neff: the risk is to lose all data that was accessed in the last 60 seconds
[14:50] <nemo> that'd be worst case
[14:50] <Sebio> yeah why delay, there's a release schedule
[14:50] <nemo> Veovis: modified :)
[14:50] <nemo> unsynced
[14:51] <Sebio> rc is supposed to come out today, but when today (timezone)
[14:51] <wirechief> don333 they had a bunch of updates last night (trying to finish in time)
[14:51] <linuxer> hi guys ;]
[14:51] <Sebio> howdy
[14:51] <linuxer> wirechief: i downloaded 9.04 now and lot of problems i have ;]
[14:52] <nemo> linuxer: what version were you on before?
[14:52] <Sebio> problems are half the fun :)
[14:52] <Neff> nemo: Veovis: I don't know what to do... I would like to have a littlebit cooler computer, but I don't want to risk lata loss...
[14:52] <nemo> 8.10 or 8.04?
[14:52] <wirechief> linuxer like what kind of problems ?
[14:52] <Sebio> been using jaunty since alpha 3
[14:52] <linuxer> 8.04
[14:52] <nemo> Neff: how often does your laptop crash? :)
[14:52] <nemo> Neff: like completely.  and. are you familiar with magic sysrq? :)
[14:52] <linuxer> but i downloaded new iso from web ;]
[14:52] <wirechief> linuxer are you having freezes ?
[14:53] <nemo> Neff: are you in the habit of shutting down by holding down the power button? :)
[14:53] <Sebio> daily build ISOs are known to be a bit nastier :)
[14:53] <Neff> nemo: it usually never crashes... but shit happens...
[14:53] <nemo> if the answer is very rarely, yes, no  then I'd absolutely use 60s :)
[14:53] <Sebio> but when is the Release Candidate actually coming out, does anyone know that? if not, adios guiys
[14:53] <linuxer> wirechief sry i'm not good at english :P i didnt uderstand ;]
[14:53] <nemo> Neff: well. odds that it is something crucial are probably small. maybe some config file in your user space that loses a custom setting
[14:53] <BluesKaj> April 23 Officialy
[14:53] <Sebio> no
[14:53] <Sebio> that's the final
[14:53] <Sebio> jeez, read the release schedule
[14:53] <nemo> Neff: after all. /etc configs for example are rarely changed.
[14:54] <nemo> Neff: you can always reinstall corrupted packages too
[14:54] <nemo> Neff: the worst one that happened to me was early in the alpha when it crashed while updating.  took me half an hour of package reinstalling to repair that...
[14:54] <BluesKaj> refer to it as beta # instead of RC , not to confuse the issue
[14:54] <linuxer> wirechief ubudsl have problems on 9.04. every rebot i must type my login & pass and other settings ;]
[14:54] <Sebio> no i'm not referring to it as beta, because i'm not asking about th ebeta
[14:54] <Veovis> nemo: I got that too, I had to use the Terminal to finish updating
[14:55] <Sebio> BluesKaj:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[14:55] <Veovis> Neff: wait until you're on an official release, then do it
[14:55] <Veovis> that's my advice
[14:55] <nemo> Veovis: yep
[14:55] <Neff> Veovis: ok, I'll wait 7 days ;) thank you very much for your support
[14:55] <BluesKaj> I see xserver -xorg ugrades ...hmmm
[14:55] <linuxer> wirechief on 8.04 working correctly ;] on 8.10 too. And synaptic doesn't work (apt-get not work, i didnt try aptitude)
[14:56] <Neff> nemo: and thank you very much to you ;)
[14:56] <Neff> too
[14:56] <Neff> :D
[14:56] <topsyandpip56> The x-server and the display driver on Jaunty keep crahsing on VMware Fusion
[14:56] <thiebaude> BluesKaj: any for intel?
[14:56] <Veovis> Neff: you're welcome
[14:56] <nemo> Neff: n/p
[14:56] <ikonia> topsyandpip56: thats a totally different question than you just asked in #ubuntu
[14:56] <topsyandpip56> Note, it was the 64-bit version
[14:56] <ikonia> topsyandpip56: you said the kernel kept panicing - not xserver kept crashing
[14:56] <topsyandpip56> Hello ikonia
[14:56] <linuxer> wirechief when i try to do apt-get i have that dpkg stopped, but i had ubudsl deb and did dpkg -i it installed
[14:57] <topsyandpip56> Both
[14:57] <ikonia> topsyandpip56: are you sure your not telling lies again to waste peoples times
[14:57] <Sebio> okay so nobody knows then the rc will be out. so i'll be out of here
[14:57] <BluesKaj> thiebaude , sorry dunno
[14:57] <ikonia> I find it very odd you have one problem in #ubuntu - then a totally different in in #ubuntu+1
[14:57] <topsyandpip56> For goodness sake, ask me any question about what keeps happening and then say Im just lieing.
[14:57] <thiebaude> np
[14:58] <ikonia> topsyandpip56: a kernel crashing and xorg having a problem are two totally different situations
[14:58] <Veovis> ah, trolling.  Reminds me that I need to leave.
[14:58] <Veovis> :P
[14:58]  * wirechief have to leave bbl  linuxer
[14:58] <topsyandpip56> Im not trolling!
[14:58] <BluesKaj> oh I meant to ask earlier , what's the alternative now that ctrl+alt+bckspc is gone ?
[14:58] <Neff> Veovis: nemo I have another question for you ;) I'm currently using a 32 bit jaunty beta version, there are good reasons to install a 64 bit version?
[14:58] <topsyandpip56> The display crashes, then x-server goes off, then it Kernal panics.
[14:58] <Veovis> How much RAM do you have, first of all?
[14:59] <topsyandpip56> I gave it 512mb
[14:59] <topsyandpip56> And its the 64-bit version (on a core2duo)
[15:00] <Veovis> topsyandpip56: I'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't have any clue how to help you, I was talking to Neff.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> topsyandpip56 , running VMware on Jaunty is a VMWare problem not Jaunty ...it's still in beta
[15:00] <Veovis> I'm still not to the year landmark even
[15:00] <Neff> Veovis: 2 GB
[15:00] <topsyandpip56> Okay, but 512mb ram with a 64-bit install will work wont it?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> topsyandpip56 , pretty slowly :)
[15:01] <Neff> Veovis: on a core 2 duo Penryn processor
[15:01] <topsyandpip56> No, its a MacBook Core 2 Duo, 2.16ghz
[15:02] <Veovis> Neff: then no, there isn't.  32 bit and 64 bit refer to how the processor addresses memory.  64 bit is slightly more unstable (read: newer) but it can handle 4 gigs of RAM and up, while 32 bit can not
[15:02] <topsyandpip56> Right, so I have no reason to run the 64 bit version then?
[15:02] <Veovis> Neff: if you are planning on upgrading soon though, then it could help, but other than that, no real reason
[15:03] <Veovis> yep
[15:03] <dsyncd> other to be cool of course
[15:03] <Veovis> sorry for the huge grammar fail though
[15:03] <Neff> Veovis: OK, wonderful
[15:03] <topsyandpip56> Well the MacBook's top ram is 2gb anyway, and VMware Fusion wont let above 768mb, so I should use the 32bit version.
[15:03] <Neff> Veovis: thank you very much for your kindness and for your support
[15:04] <Veovis> Neff: any more questions?
[15:04] <dsyncd> i would stick to 32bit versions of anything if running virtually topsy
[15:04] <Veovis> Neff: not a problem, it's fun
[15:05] <topsyandpip56> Right, thanks!
[15:06] <Neff> Veovis: no thanks ;) now I'm OK now... I will try to keep the notebook cool by working near the window for the next 7 days, than I will try that mod... if it works I will tell you... ;)
[15:06] <topsyandpip56> Time to bin my ISO of "ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-amd64.iso"
[15:06] <Veovis> Okay, have fun, I need to head out then
[15:06] <Veovis> see ya
[15:10] <mxboy15u> how do i check to see what version of 9.04 I am running?
[15:10] <mxboy15u> I am wondering if it has updated to the rc yet
[15:12] <canen_> mxboy15u: if you run an upgate you should have the latest packagesd
[15:12] <hmw_pidgin> My HSDPA connection keeps breaking. After one hour or so, I loose the connection and cannot re-establish it. Clicking on "connect to ..." leads to "Connection terminated" and the syslog tells me about the device couldnt be controlled. I tried to restart networking, NM, only unplugging the USB device helps. Now I am using ttyUSB5... I also noticed, that I can't disconnect via NM.
[15:13] <mxboy15u> ok, so then the RC version is out? i am fully updated and perfectly stable, but just wanted to see visually what update I was on
[15:13] <hmw_pidgin> I would like to find a way to reset whatever needs to be re-set without physically unplugging.
[15:13] <hmw_pidgin> (Or even repairing)
[15:13] <canen_> mxboy15u: not sure there is an easy way to do that
[15:14] <mxboy15u> ok thanks
[15:14] <mxboy15u> exciting times for ubuntu, i have gotten 4 people to switch in 1 week
[15:14] <mxboy15u> this release is that good
[15:15] <aapzak> my RSS usage of X rose to 468464 already
[15:15] <hmw_pidgin> No answers? Hmm. Should I take this as a sign, that NM still is buggy, or is it a PEBCAK situation?
[15:16] <nemo> hmw_pidgin: anything in dmesg?
[15:16] <nemo> hmw_pidgin: maybe the bug isn't in NM?
[15:16] <nemo> maybe the driver sucketh?
[15:16] <hmw_pidgin> nemo: I'll post some outputs after this. Syslog said (stage 3 i think) "Device cannot be controlled".
[15:16] <hmw_pidgin> Device works with Wicd and in Windows.
[15:16] <hmw_pidgin> (wicd with 8.10)
[15:19] <canen_> why is ubuntu still running rc2 of mplayer?
[15:25] <hmw_pidgin> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m697d305e
[15:27] <hmw_pidgin> i have no clue, what program could be the problem, I just wonder, how Fedora managed to do it right. Some of your ideas about this would be welcome, too.
[15:28] <Oli``> We've got Jaunty installed on a netbook. It has a broadcom chipset that has worked fine up 'til now... Now it works for about 10 minutes (haven't timed it so it may be anywhere from 5 to 30) and then the wireless just drops out. trying iwconfig at that point crashes everything
[15:28] <Oli``> I've tried disabling/re-enabling it from the network-manager-applet but that does nothing to fix it
[15:29] <Oli``> It looks like it's just being turned off and not turned back on.... But I've no idea why as it can drop off while it's being used
[15:30] <hmw_pidgin> nemo: pastebin post above.
[15:31] <nemo> ok
[15:32] <canen_> kde is preforming so much better without desktop effects
[15:33] <nemo> hmw_pidgin: sorry. none of that says anything to me. I could try googling on fragments + your device, but then, so could you :)
[15:33] <hmw_pidgin> Alright. Thanks for looking at it.
[15:35] <admin_masu3701> when is 9.04 good to install?
[15:38] <dsyncd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[15:54] <mrwes> just took the plunge on a Jaunty upgrade from Ibex -- all seems well so far
[15:54] <swistaczek> Hello guys
[15:54] <swistaczek> How to remove that pulseaudio from my system?
[15:55] <eduhell> greetings, I'm trying to setup dual screens on kubuntu jaunty beta using Randr
[15:55] <eduhell> it is working fine but a small part of the notebooks desktop is showing on the lcd monitor
[15:55] <eduhell> can anyone help me?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio | swistaczek
[15:58] <Ubotwo> swistaczek: PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[15:58] <ubot3> swistaczek: PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[15:59] <LjL> Ubotwo: part
[16:03] <swistaczek> BluesKaj, I want uninstall it
[16:03] <swistaczek> BluesKaj, Skype got extremly high voice lags (~ 1 minute)
[16:04] <DG19075> swistaczek: apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[16:04] <DG19075> run that in a terminal
[16:05] <DG19075> and pulseauio is gfone
[16:05] <wirechief> hi JackWinter
[16:05] <BluesKaj> swistaczek, why do you think pulseudio is responsible for the lag ?
[16:05] <swistaczek> guys, please take a look at http://wstaw.org/d/7584 skype works perfect on 8.04
[16:05] <swistaczek> now mates hear me with 1 minute lag
[16:06] <swistaczek> BluesKaj, beeing true, I dont know what is reason of that lag
[16:06] <swistaczek> where should I search for error
[16:07] <swistaczek> i am linux newbie
[16:07] <salimane> release candidate, anyone ?
[16:08] <swistaczek> I got ubuntu 9.04 now " the Jaunty Jackalope - released in April 2009."
[16:08] <SandGorgon> is Jaunty RC released ?
[16:08] <Pici> Not yet.
[16:09] <SandGorgon> guys.. i have beta ISO. should I use rsync to get the RC iso ?
[16:09] <swistaczek> Could I downgrade?
[16:09] <salimane> Pici today is 16
[16:10] <Pici> salimane: It will be released when the isos are done testing.
[16:10] <JackWinter> hi wirechief, just hosed my new shiny jaunty install :)  edited /etc/passwd with kate and forgot that i should have used vipasswd , hehe what a noob mistake, now i wonder if i can get back in again :)
[16:11] <AliTarihi> Anything wrong with Hardware Drivers in Kubuntu. It did not detect my 7400 Go at all!
[16:12] <AliTarihi> And when I installed the nvidia-glx-180 I ended up having awful config! Had to use envyng and worked like a charm
[16:12] <swistaczek> is there any paid support for ubuntu (some one who could repair skype sound congiguration?
[16:12] <mrwes> anyone have issues with Conky?
[16:13] <mrwes> seems to disappear from the desktop and it's running
[16:13] <Halow> mrwes: Are you having it auto start? Sometimes if it'll start before your wallpaper is decorated and gets hidden under.
[16:14] <swayed> Where is best place to download latest or final release of Jaunty ? ?
[16:14] <mrwes> Halow, yah I have it in sessions, it showed upon boot up, but then disappears
[16:15] <AliTarihi> mrwes: with effects on?
[16:15] <mrwes> AliTarihi, no
[16:15] <mrwes> none
[16:15] <AliTarihi> swayed: there is something called daily build I've heard.
[16:15] <AliTarihi> mrwes: I see.
[16:15] <AliTarihi> strange.
[16:16] <mrwes> yah ps aux | grep conky shows it running
[16:16] <swayed> AliTarihi, Thx - will google for daily build......
[16:16] <Halow> mrwes: I usually start it via a script that has it pause for a short bit before starting so it doesn't get hidden. Let me find  link for you.
[16:16] <BUGabundo>  !daily | AliTarihi
[16:16] <ubot3> AliTarihi: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[16:17] <AliTarihi> swayed: --^
[16:17] <BUGabundo> mrwes: does it work on gnome? I know it works on xubuntu, but I can't make it work on gnome
[16:17] <AliTarihi> BUGabundo: thx
[16:17] <mrwes> Halow, Ok...you put a sleep in the script?
[16:17] <mrwes> I'm on gnome
[16:17] <BUGabundo> swayed: best is daily or rc testing images
[16:17]  * BUGabundo reads huge backlog
[16:17] <AliTarihi> BUGabundo: in intrepid I could manage to make it work. even with Compiz Fusion on.
[16:18] <Halow> mrwes: Yeah, pretty much.
[16:19] <swayed> BUGabundo, Thx
[16:19] <swayed> AliTarhi,  ;-)
[16:20] <swayed> AliTarihi; opps -
[16:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:20] <JackWinter> i suppose i can try to copy passwd~ to passwd and hope for the best...  didn't want to change the passwd just wanted to rename the user :)
[16:21] <AliTarihi> swayed: used the name and press Tab and you'll have auto complete :)
[16:22] <yann2> hi
[16:22]  * yann2 trying to get someone look at #362359 
[16:23] <thiebaude> bug 362359
[16:23] <yann2> "Focus gets stuck to a window - impossible to select other windows"  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/362359
[16:23] <ubot3> Malone bug 362359 in ubuntu "Focus gets stuck to a window - impossible to select other windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362359
[16:23] <swayed> AliTarihi, huh? Just got up not quite awake yet.... What did you mean? Tell me like I'm in the 3rd grade :o)
[16:23] <JackWinter> anyone know if i can copy passwd and shadow from another ubuntu install to recover my f&&^up ?
[16:23] <yann2> it's a very, very weird one and hard to reproduce.. but so painful :(
[16:23] <effie_jayx> ok
[16:24] <AliTarihi> swayed: To call me, write the first letters and press Tab
[16:24] <effie_jayx> is it out yet?
[16:24]  * effie_jayx runs
[16:24] <AliTarihi> swayed: I mean this
[16:24] <stork> sup guise
[16:25] <swayed> AliTarihi, Ah - You are marvelous! - The big light bulb went off - ha ha - So much easier for use hunt/N/peck typist - heh heh
[16:26] <AliTarihi> swayed: yup
[16:26] <AliTarihi> ;)
[16:27] <AliTarihi> IT is the best feature of IRC i can name :D
[16:27] <swayed> AliTarihi, yea upt speed with this totally - you know how long I been doing this the long handed way - it's too embarrassing to admit - heh heh  :)
[16:28] <AliTarihi> swayed: But I bet your typing has improved ;)
[16:28] <kbmaniac> Hi all. My Jaunty box is one that I have been updateing for weeks, works AOK. I have another box that I just installed. My box has a very basic GTK look and feel where as the newly installed one looks so much sleaker. Any idea how to enable the far nicer GTK theme on my box - just updaeing seems not to do it ?
[16:29] <swayed> AliTarihi, that's fer sure - took me awhile to figure out using CTRL+A to select "All" nice to know these little gems.
[16:29] <AliTarihi> yes
[16:29] <tsuther> hello all - anyone using evolution with kubuntu?
[16:30] <tsuther> I have a question about notifications
[16:30] <mrwes> When I run the Update Manager, I'm getting a request for a partial upgrade and when I attempt to do that partial upgrade nothing happens
[16:31] <swayed> AliTarihi, So is the final rel. out anywhere yet ? England, Australia, Where Toto lives in Kansas?
[16:31] <BUGabundo> mrwes: DON'T run partial updates,please
[16:31] <mrwes> k
[16:31] <mrwes> that I understand DON'T
[16:31] <mrwes> HEH
[16:31] <BUGabundo> tsuther: no... but im using kmail on gnome! does it count ?
[16:32] <AliTarihi> swayed: 9 days I think.
[16:32] <thopiekar> 7*
[16:32] <tsuther> BUGabundo: for some reason I prefer evolution to kmail
[16:32] <AliTarihi> BUGabundo: depends ;)
[16:32] <aLeSD> hi all ... where I can ask for support for the linux-rt packages? I have problems in nvidia driver compilation
[16:32] <swayed> AliTarihi, 9 days? and no typing still stinks but input of name is easier ha
[16:32] <thopiekar> can anybody please tell me why I get allways this messages: http://pastebin.com/d4fda8865 ?
[16:32] <mrwes> BUGabundo, can I re-enable my third party software sources now?
[16:33] <AliTarihi> tsuther: I loved evolution until I got mad of crashes. Then Thunderbird and then there was KDE and kmail
[16:33] <AliTarihi> swayed: :)
[16:33] <tsuther> but I'm not getting any email notifications - the sweet new transparent ones in particular
[16:33] <mbeierl> AliTarihi: any of them have exchange calendar interop?
[16:33] <cryingtux> hi
[16:33] <cryingtux> im looking for Ubuntu   9.04 netinstall iso
[16:33] <BUGabundo> mrwes: sure. just make sure you still need them and they are for Jaunty
[16:33] <BUGabundo> cryingtux: just a sec, I'll give you the link
[16:34] <mrwes> BUGabundo, ahh..right
[16:34] <BUGabundo> cryingtux: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
[16:34] <cryingtux> tried beta iso but the installer has some bug, it crashes when it configures hardware during isnatll
[16:34] <swayed> cryingtux, are you currently using Ibex?
[16:34] <AliTarihi> mbeierl: I don't use that feature and so I dunno. sry
[16:34] <cryingtux> swayed: i have hardy installed
[16:34] <mbeierl> AliTarihi: np
[16:34] <BUGabundo> thopiekar: do you like to sound stupid??
[16:35] <cryingtux> wanted to try Ubuntu   9.04
[16:35] <BUGabundo> thopiekar: why do you have debian repos on ubuntu?
[16:35] <BUGabundo> cryingtux: $ update-manager -d
[16:35] <BUGabundo> run that to upgrade to ibex, and then run again to get to jaunty
[16:35] <thopiekar> BUGabundo: I checked my sources.list but there are no entries about that
[16:35] <BUGabundo> check in the subfoldr
[16:36] <BUGabundo> thopiekar: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:36] <cryingtux> BUGabundo: thanks, sounds easy
[16:37]  * jtholmes is away: for about 3 hours
[16:37] <thopiekar> sources.list.d is empty
[16:37] <thopiekar> sec.. I will paste my sources.list
[16:38] <thopiekar> http://pastebin.com/d22429b5d
[16:38] <thopiekar> * ubuntu x64
[16:38] <cryingtux> BUGabundo: i will first read all what you told me
[16:40] <BUGabundo> thopiekar: better comment ALL THOSE 3rd party repos
[16:40] <JackWinter> anone have an opinion if it's a bad idea to share ~ and KDEHOME between different distributions ?
[16:40] <thopiekar> k , BUGabundo
[16:41] <swayed> AliTarihi, Could you upgrade to the latest build of Jaunty using this method if you were currently running Ibex ? http://yfrog.com/21screenshotsoftwaresourcp
[16:41] <kklimonda> JackWinter: it may cause problems when you use different version of applications on different distributions.
[16:41] <JackWinter> suppose it could lead to problems as one dist upgrades and another stays with older software
[16:42] <AliTarihi> swayed: It is a dist upgrade so far I knoq
[16:42] <cryingtux> BUGabundo: there is a PPA with kde 3 for 9.04, i wanted to use that to get kde3, would you discourage doing that?
[16:42] <AliTarihi> know*
[16:42] <dan457> I could.  but unlikely an issue if version difference is minor.
[16:42]  * AliTarihi will be back soon
[16:43] <JackWinter> kklimonda: ah :)  yeah i figure the same as you.  maybe it's just better share the same UID and symlink stuff you want in both ~
[16:43] <swayed> JackWinter, So best 4 clean install - is your liking?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> cryingtux: certanly would
[16:43] <kklimonda> JackWinter: yeah, that would be probably the best way.
[16:43] <BUGabundo> even upstream will not support it anymore
[16:44] <dan457> You can keep your documents/picutres/videos in a seperate partion and mount it for both with fstab to share data.
[16:45] <cryingtux> BUGabundo: i am clearly following what you say, i would rather upgrade 8.10 to 9.04 as you recommended than experimenting with kde3 on 9.04
[16:45] <dan457> Keep you /home seperate to avoid configuration issues though
[16:45] <BUGabundo> dan457: humm ??
[16:45] <BUGabundo> dan457: context please
[16:45] <dan457> BUGabundo, you've never done that?
[16:46] <dan457> BUGabundo, My videos is 500gig, no way i'm keeping 2 copies of that.
[16:46] <sunny_> hey guys i got a bit of a problem here.... whenever i try to play a movie the movie screen flickers.. im using an ATI card with 3d acceleration... any tips?
[16:46] <BUGabundo> not that... I just don't know what you are talking about
[16:46] <JackWinter> swayed: i just upgraded using the following method: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/upgrade-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex-to-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope-beta.html   but that was from a fresh intrepid install.  in the past i've upgraded and mostly not had problems, but sometimes i did :)  best of luck
[16:46] <stork> so what's with the new screen?
[16:46] <BUGabundo> JackWinter: best and officially supported method is $ update-manager -d
[16:47] <sunny_> it flickers
[16:47] <sunny_> and is getting really anoying
[16:47] <sunny_> no other part then the one that is playing the movie
[16:47] <JackWinter> BUGabundo: that is the above link, just a little more longwinded :)
[16:47] <sunny_> when i play a video online it works just fine
[16:48] <swayed> JackWinter, Yea I went with the over internet upgrade from Hardy to the Ibex I'm running now. It went real smooth.
[16:48] <cryingtux> BUGabundo: before update-manager -d i have to set sources list to 9.04? ( sorry if this question sounds stupid )
[16:48] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: i think im about to upgrade now
[16:48] <BUGabundo> JackWinter: also OFICIAL info is in the upgrade wiki
[16:48] <BUGabundo> cryingtux: NO NO NO
[16:48] <Lock3> has anyone tried to install ubuntu 9.04 onto a raid 0 array? If so, any problems?
[16:48] <BUGabundo> cryingtux: never manually change sources for updates
[16:49] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: have u read release notes?
[16:49] <cryingtux> BUGabundo: ok
[16:49] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: you got a link
[16:49] <BUGabundo> Lock3: try #ubuntu-testing or #ubuntu-server
[16:49] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: /topic
[16:49] <thiebaude> ok
[16:49] <Lock3> BUGabundo: k thx
[16:49] <swayed> JackWinter, Thinking about building a new box - If so will lean towards latest stable build, an go from there - What'da ya think?
[16:49] <swayed> JackWinter, Good direction to go in?
[16:49] <thiebaude> if i upgrade im scared my x will freeze up
[16:50] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, which graphics card ?
[16:50] <cryingtux> BUGabundo: thanks for taking pains with me, i will follow what you said and report back when im done with upgrade
[16:50] <thiebaude> intel 81815
[16:50] <thiebaude> i815
[16:51] <thiebaude> thats the problem chip
[16:51] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: what does RC actually mean?
[16:52] <BUGabundo> Release Candidate
[16:52] <BUGabundo> if ALL tests are ok, this should be the image going FINAL
[16:52] <BUGabundo> but never happened! eehh
[16:52] <thiebaude> oh ok
[16:53] <JackWinter> swayed: i'm not the right person to ask about that, been gone from ubuntu for a while, and just came back today to see how well it will work for my purposes
[16:53] <homy> When will the RC be released?
[16:54] <thiebaude> homy: today
[16:54] <homy> when today?
[16:54] <thiebaude> im not sure
[16:54] <BUGabundo> homy: today... some time! when tests are done
[16:54] <thiebaude> how will we know?
[16:54] <BUGabundo> RC is important so all installer test must be 100%
[16:54] <BUGabundo> we go check the release page? or wait to be told
[16:55] <BluesKaj> yeah, never expected that with intel...I think most of the probs are solved but there are still some bugs ..launchpad has some answers
[16:55] <BUGabundo> via email ( we all should be in devel-announce mailinglist)
[16:56] <BUGabundo> has everyone here run $ checkbox-gtk and tested suspend/hibernate for the kernel team? what are you waiting?
[16:57] <thiebaude> im ready to upgrade when given the word to
[16:57] <mrwes> thiebaude, will the update manager offer the RC?
[16:58] <thiebaude> mrwes: i dont know
[16:58] <mrwes> anyone?
[16:59] <thiebaude> im ready to upgrade and if i do and x breaks, then i got to install 8.10 and everything etc
[16:59] <mrwes> I'm running the beta now
[16:59] <Halow> Why not just download the daily and try LiveCD? Then you'll know whether it'll run with your card or not?
[17:00] <thiebaude> i dont have that capability
[17:00] <thiebaude> i cant burn a cd
[17:00] <thiebaude> Halow: i guess its trial and error
[17:01] <Halow> Ah. OK.
[17:02] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: you can upgrade now! no new packages will come out
[17:02] <BUGabundo> and testign to RC is only on the installer not packages or updates
[17:02] <BUGabundo> mrwes: update-manager offers CURRENT point of packages
[17:02] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: run a livecd/usb 1st so you know if it breaks
[17:03] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: how do i do that?
[17:03] <FiveAcres> I am running jaunty on a Lenovo Ideapad y510.  Right now, it hangs before the grub menu shows up.  The only way I can get it to boot is to select F12 and tell it to boot the hard drive from the list that comes up.  Any solutions?
[17:04] <FiveAcres> I've done grub-update and that doesn't fix it.
[17:04] <thiebaude> FiveAcres: you got an intel card?
[17:04] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: get a daily, and run usb-creator to put on USB
[17:04] <thiebaude> ok
[17:04] <BUGabundo> FiveAcres: how can it hang BEFORE grub and work from BIOS?
[17:05] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: is there any way you will let us know when RC is out?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: I'm not ACTIVLY looking, bug it I know , I'll let every world now
[17:05] <BUGabundo> lol
[17:05] <thiebaude> haha
[17:05] <FiveAcres> I do have an Intel card.  I can see the bios selection screen and then it hangs.  The Ideapad allows me to F2 to get to the bios configuration at the screen, as well as the F12 to pick the boot device.
[17:05] <thiebaude> oh no,intel
[17:06] <mrwes> BUGabundo, so whatever comes down the pike, I'll get -- correct?
[17:06] <FiveAcres> Where is the best place to find out which card I have?
[17:06] <mrwes> FiveAcres, lspci | grep VGA
[17:06] <BUGabundo> mrwes: yes
[17:06] <BUGabundo> FiveAcres: $ lspci
[17:07] <BUGabundo> FiveAcres: $ lspci -vvnn
[17:08] <mrwes> that's nice --vvnn
[17:08] <FiveAcres> Sysinfo reports:  Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual  CPU  T2390  @ 1.86GHz for my card
[17:09] <FiveAcres> I can give you the output of lspci, but it is very long.  Is there a pastebin?
[17:11] <FiveAcres> Here is the VGA info 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[17:13] <FiveAcres> This problem happened once before, and I though I had bricked my laptop before I found the F12 solution, then an apt-get update fixed it.
[17:20] <moonflux> what's the best way to debug plasma crashing and restarting all the time? kde 4.2.2 on kubuntu jaunty
[17:20] <moonflux> apport or what its called pops up the first time but doesn't have a useful stacktrace
[17:20] <moonflux> I think I've got the -dbg packages installed
[17:20] <moonflux> (kdebase*-dbg)
[17:24] <robin0800> BUGabundo: Whats the difference in meaning betwean Status and Control in lspci output?
[17:26] <avar> How do I find out which app owns a given X window? I need to find out for a Jaunty bug report
[17:26] <Pici> xwininfo is one way
[17:27] <BUGabundo> robin0800: ahhh??? /me scrachs head
[17:27] <Pici> avar: actually, I think the package name is just wininfo now
[17:28] <BUGabundo> Pici: I find nice that you are always there, answering the hard questions! its nice to see a fall back!
[17:29] <avar> Yes xwininfo will show me X info, but even with -all it doesn't display a pid of the given program
[17:29] <odinsbane> When I logged onto jaunty for the first time it let me select some proprietary drivers for my wireless.  How can I get that window back?
[17:30] <odinsbane> I can't stay connected to the wireless here at school so I want to try the other driver.
[17:31] <Halow> odinsbane: System>Administration>Hardware Drivers?
[17:31] <avar> hrm,  xprop WM_CLASS does it
[17:31] <odinsbane> great
[17:31] <mrwes> What is the computer janitor?
[17:31] <Pici> avar: I was just going to say that
[17:32] <odinsbane> but now it doesn't show the other driver.
[17:33] <Andy80> I've mounted two raid partition from another installation, and there is a strange thing with md0: active raid1 sdb1[0] sda1[2](S) sdc1[1] - sda1 is my Windows partition!! Why is it using it?!!
[17:34] <sv_osusr1> I am not able to invert my X axes for my mouse using HAL on jaunty.Y gets inverted though.is this a bug ? http://pastebin.com/m27d85ef3
[17:34] <wirechief> bug rythmbox
[17:35] <BUGabundo> mrwes: it's a still in devel tool to remove unsead or dead apps
[17:37] <robin0800> Whats the difference in meaning betwean Status and Control in lspci output? I assume one is capability and one is what is set but which is which?
[17:47] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: what is checkbox-gtk and what's it have to do with suspend/resume?
[17:47] <eagles0513875> !kernel
[17:47] <ubot3> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages
[17:48] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: ehee two different stuff
[17:48] <BUGabundo> but the script to test suspend is there too
[17:48] <eagles0513875> ikonia: there is an echo in here  i typed in !kernel once and it displaied it twice
[17:48] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting
[17:49] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: ah.  I read it "run $ checkbox-gtk and tested suspend/hibernate", not "run checkbox-gtx" and/or "tested suspend/resume"
[17:49] <mbeierl> hee hee
[17:49] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:49] <BUGabundo> do both
[17:51] <eagles0513875> im having some issues with virtualbox
[17:51] <eagles0513875> it keeps complaining about the version that im trying to install as teh guest
[17:51] <eagles0513875> i have it setup right but there is something missing
[17:51] <eagles0513875> i have the headers already installed
[17:58] <homy> Hi! Do you know when the rc will be released today?
[17:59] <wirechief> eagles0513875 perhaps #vbox users might be able to give suggestions (hopefully something other than read the manual)
[17:59] <un2him> homy: no clue.  Beta was released late in the day
[17:59] <homy> oho
[17:59] <wirechief> homy I don't know but there sure was a pile of updates last night
[18:00] <wirechief> a rush to the finsish line i suppose
[18:05] <mrwes> Jaunty seems very efficient on resources
[18:08] <mrwes> I cant get it to hit the swap
[18:08] <mrwes> nice
[18:08] <mrwes> lemme open up some more sheit
[18:08] <mrwes> heh
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Just open 4 VBox windows and run installs in them. It will swap, then.
[18:10] <mrwes> ahh...I can live with that
[18:15] <JMFTheVCI> charlie-tca: People seem to refer to Virtualbox a lot more than VMware. Is VB better than VM on Ubuntu?
[18:16] <zash_> JMFTheVCI: vbox is in ubuntu repos, so it is simple to install and get started
[18:17] <odinsbane> Okay my os just crashed twice, miserably, as in I can't do anything except hold down the power button till it turns off.  What should I do to figure out whats happening?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> VirtualBox for me has always been easier to set up than VM
[18:17] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: open my kmail pull new email, let antispam and filters work, and see my swap eheh
[18:17] <BUGabundo> how are you charlie-tca?
[18:17] <JMFTheVCI> Charlie & zash: Is there a VMware VM to Vbox VM converter tool?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: doing good, now that the RC testing is finished
[18:17] <JMFTheVCI> I would like to test the performance differences on an XP vm that I have.
[18:17] <BUGabundo> odinsbane: been there last weekend! 9 crashs and kernel panics
[18:18] <charlie-tca> I got 3GB ram in here, so I give each VB machine 500
[18:18] <charlie-tca> MB, seems it uses everything I have
[18:18] <charlie-tca> Kinda drains the DSL connection too
[18:18] <odinsbane> BUGabundo: ... so?  how do I start recording the problem?
[18:19] <BUGabundo> 4GiBs and using kvm ... 3 k/ubuntu isos running
[18:19] <BUGabundo> hard part is IO to install to disk file images ..
[18:19] <charlie-tca> JMFTheVCI: I don't know. There was a way to convert the VMware drive, I think
[18:19] <BUGabundo> odinsbane: can you reprocude/trigger it?
[18:19] <edi_99> Hi guys. Everytime I try to zoom to full screen on youtube my comp just crashes (black light, no response). Why is that?
[18:19] <BUGabundo> what GPU? what FS ?
[18:19] <odinsbane> I just install bc43-fwcutter, but I don't know if that is the problem.
[18:19] <charlie-tca> The systems are too different to simply convert the machines over
[18:20] <BUGabundo> edi_99: bad gpu card driver or flash?
[18:20] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: what card do you have
[18:20] <odinsbane> one time I closed a terminal, and another time I deleted a directory from the terminal
[18:20] <BUGabundo> odinsbane: what filesystem? ext4?
[18:20] <edi_99> BUGabundo: should I update?
[18:20] <odinsbane> BUGabundo: yes
[18:20] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: that's why I use VBox, I can run 4 at time without killing the hardware. I still run firefox and clawsmail while it is working
[18:20] <BUGabundo> odinsbane: talk to cwillu
[18:21] <BenoitStandre> hello all !
[18:21] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: it has more memory usage
[18:21] <BUGabundo> edi_99: upgrade to what?
[18:21] <odinsbane> eagles0513875: lspci tells me BCM 4311
[18:21] <charlie-tca> Are you sure?
[18:21]  * robin0800 RC is out http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[18:21] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: rev2 or not
[18:21] <odinsbane> rev 01
[18:22] <edi_99> BUGabundo: I meant update ... It was working fine 2-3 days ago
[18:22] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I set 1G RAM for each and total never goes over 600MiBs
[18:22] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: that shoudl work outa the box with the fwcutter just fine and i have rev 2 and im on jaunty 64bit and it works as well
[18:22] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: did you do an upgrade from intrepid
[18:22] <odinsbane> eagles0513875: yeah I don't know if it is it, I did a fresh instal.
[18:22] <BenoitStandre> I'm experiencing problems with my thinkpad volume and brightness buttons (they do change volume and brightness, but not in mixers nor show the little box that shows that volume is going up or down)
[18:23] <ricochet> hey guys i have a dell mini 9 and a Kodak Zi6, when i take 720p @ 60fps and pop the SD into the mini, when i try to play the videos its extremely choppy and the video often stops while the audio continues
[18:23] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: strange did you install the b43-fwcutter
[18:23] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I see. you know that doesn't add up, 3 vm's at 1G each to less than 600 in use
[18:23] <ricochet> any ideas?
[18:23] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: are you on gnome or kde
[18:23] <ricochet> Oh i am running Xubuntu 9.04
[18:23] <odinsbane> eagles0513875: yes, first I did the other one, and it didn't work well, so I install b43-fwcutter and it works great ...
[18:23] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: see why I like it
[18:23] <odinsbane> gnome
[18:23] <BenoitStandre> I'm on Ubuntu 9.04, all up-to-date (fresh install from beta CD)
[18:23] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: yes
[18:23] <eagles0513875> you having issues connecting to wifi odinsbane
[18:24] <JMFTheVCI> robin0800: There are no new updates. So I must be at RC level?
[18:24] <odinsbane> eagles0513875: not anymore, it was odd I could connect just fine, and I could ping the router, but I couldnt get past the router.
[18:24] <odinsbane> plus when I was connecting I got an odd error from wpa_supplicant.
[18:24] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: im on kde and it works just find outa the box for me
[18:24] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: sudo kvm -m 1024 -smp 2 -cdrom
[18:24] <BUGabundo> try it your self
[18:25] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: sudo kvm -m 1024 -smp 2 -cdrom PATH/TO/.iso -drive DISKIMAGE.file
[18:25] <odinsbane> eagles0513875: I had two choices for drivers and the first one didn't work so well.
[18:25] <charlie-tca> don't you have to set up a bunch of stuff for it?
[18:25] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: the proprietary one doesnt work i tried it first 2
[18:25] <eagles0513875> but the b43-fwcuter works perfectly for me
[18:26] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: i would file a bug against the gnome network manager as i am on kde and dont have that issue
[18:27] <odinsbane> eagles0513875: I uninstalled the gnome network manager first.
[18:27] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: would you be willing to install kde or not to see if the bug persists on kde or not
[18:27] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: let me see the name of the kde network manager
[18:27] <jameswf> has all the RC stuff hit the repos yet?
[18:27] <odinsbane> I'm just using wpa_supplicant to connect.
[18:27] <bmunger_> i see rc on main site
[18:27] <odinsbane> I think it is the driver though according to some google searches.
[18:28] <bmunger_> why has both beta and rc been dvd releases?
[18:28] <eagles0513875> my other laptop has a b4311 and works fine with bw43-fwcutter
[18:28] <jameswf> beta was a cd
[18:28] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: can you install network-manager
[18:29] <eagles0513875> and see if you get the same problem
[18:29] <bmunger_> beta was dvd only
[18:29] <odinsbane> eagles0513875: it works fine with bw43-fwcutter, there was a proprietary problem that it seemed to have issues with.
[18:29] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: gotcha i would if you want file a bug against the proprietary driver
[18:30] <charlie-tca> bmunger_: beta was not dvd only, all the releases are cd, then dvd also
[18:30] <eagles0513875> i misunderstood
[18:30] <eagles0513875> my bad
[18:30]  * BUGabundo checks for images
[18:30] <bmunger_> charlie-tca: no
[18:30] <charlie-tca> yes!
[18:30] <charlie-tca> I test every one of them
[18:30] <bmunger_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/rc/
[18:30] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/rc/
[18:30] <BUGabundo> empty
[18:30] <bmunger_> only dvd isos
[18:30] <bmunger_> unless cd's have become 4.2gb
[18:30] <_CommandeR_> Hi, uno question. Will there be X-FI drivers in Jaunty?
[18:31] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: he is right
[18:31] <BUGabundo> just cross check md5 to daily duh
[18:31] <charlie-tca> He should be specific. I don't run Kubuntu
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu and Xubuntu have both been on cd
[18:31] <odinsbane> eagles0513875: its proprietary though, ubuntu is not associated, plus it works fine at home and it works fine with another wpa network.
[18:31] <bmunger_> yes i realize in daily i can get cds, but is there a reason dvds are offered instead of cd images
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu was dvd because the image was too big
[18:32] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: :) im glad to hear that :)
[18:32] <bmunger_> ok
[18:32] <BUGabundo> 4.2GiBs is a bit big
[18:32] <charlie-tca> It could not be downsized enough to fit the cd in time
[18:32] <odinsbane> eagles0513875: my real concern is the crash, which I think relates to either ext4 or the compiz stuff.
[18:32] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[18:33] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/rc/ has CDs
[18:33] <BUGabundo> bahh
[18:33] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:33] <BUGabundo> bad copy paste
[18:33] <bmunger_> yes
[18:33] <BUGabundo> have to stop using shift when not in CLI
[18:33] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: there is still alot of work to be done on ext4. if i do anything might try it out on a vm
[18:33] <bmunger_> so why isnt it on the rc side is what im asking
[18:33] <eagles0513875> im on ext3 and desktop effects work fine no problem havint tried compiz
[18:34] <BUGabundo> bmunger_: built 1st?
[18:34] <charlie-tca> What, you couldn't fit 695MB on the cd?
[18:34] <odinsbane> or how about this ImageJ is a java program written in swing, when I open a new window, THe original ImageJ window is gone from the window list (ie alt-tab)
[18:34] <bmunger_> i do unetbootin on 4gb flash so i dont use cd
[18:34] <eagles0513875> odinsbane: im not much help when it comes to stuff in gnome
[18:35] <eagles0513875> bmunger_: same here
[18:35] <bmunger_> though unetbootin is doing some weird custom menu lately im not too crazy about but thats besides the point
[18:35] <wirechief> bmunger does persistence work on the version you use on your usb ?
[18:36] <bmunger_> i havent tried
[18:36] <wirechief> currently seems broken
[18:36] <eagles0513875> i have yet to get it to work as persistent wirechief
[18:36] <wirechief> persistence is broken and that has to be removed for it to boot up to the desktop
[18:37] <stork> god the new xorg is so annoying
[18:38] <wirechief> persistence worked on the  first Beta i tried but all the updated releases broke something.
[18:38] <jameswf> I dont even see a DVD on http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[18:38] <jameswf> am I missing it
[18:38] <BUGabundo> bmunger_: is it better then using usb-creator?
[18:38] <bmunger_> i havent tried that either but i did notice it
[18:38] <odinsbane> jameswf: has it been released?
[18:39] <wirechief> BUGabundo:  i think unetbooten is more versatile atm
[18:39] <BUGabundo> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[18:39] <BUGabundo> I see the images NOW
[18:39] <BUGabundo> go get them or share via BT
[18:39] <bmunger_> before when i used unetbootin i would get same exact menu on boot as the cd or dvd, now its got some weird custom menu that replaces the cd's menu
[18:39] <wirechief> bmunger yes and the first selection just says live
[18:40] <bmunger_> yea i dont like that, id rather have the ubuntu/kubuntu menu
[18:40] <bmunger_> dont see an option to change that
[18:40] <jpds> BUGabundo: They may not be final.
[18:40] <wirechief> but if you end up going to intramfs box you need to remove the words persistence on the grub boot line
[18:40] <BUGabundo> jpds: who cares? I use daily anyway
[18:41] <Pici> BUGabundo: Other users who do want final images do.
[18:41] <jpds> BUGabundo: And the guys who run releases.u.c.
[18:41] <BUGabundo> Final will be in 7 days
[18:42] <BUGabundo> for those who want to taste Jaunty and still fix critical bugs, its now
[18:42] <Pici> BUGabundo: We mean completely tested isos.
[18:42] <BUGabundo> now in 1 week... then will be to late
[18:42] <BUGabundo> Pici: aren't those tested already?
[18:42] <Pici> BUGabundo: They may not be.
[18:42] <BUGabundo> other wise why be in releaces.u.c
[18:42] <ienorand> TIme to edit topic? :)
[18:43]  * BUGabundo is already being redent on µblogs
[18:43] <BUGabundo> Pici: let me ask in #testing
[18:43] <jpds> BUGabundo: So the mirrors can get it?
[18:44] <jpds> ienorand: Best wait till the offical announcement first.
[18:44]  * BUGabundo asking
[18:44] <BUGabundo> yeah
[18:44]  * BUGabundo refresh email boxes
[18:48] <Finnish> Is jaunty ubuntu studio a live cd? Can I run it from usb-stick?
[18:49] <BUGabundo> Finnish: if you have the image, I don't see why not
[18:50] <ienorand> Finnish: It is based on the alternate cd...
[18:50] <Finnish> So no go?
[18:51] <eseven73> is the RC out now? Because im getting very slow speeds all of a sudden
[18:51] <wirechief> eseven73: speeds will be slow for a while now, everyone is jumping on them.
[18:51] <ienorand> Finnish: It should still be possible to boot the _installer_ from a usb... or do a standard install to usb instead of hd
[18:51] <eseven73> I picked a bad time to upgrade my Ubuntu server I think :(   my luck
[18:52] <ienorand> eseven73: Yes, just got out...
[18:52] <eseven73> figures, ugh!
[18:52] <eseven73> use torrents!
[18:52] <Finnish> ienorand: How do I install it to USB?
[18:53] <Finnish> And how I use it? Just stick the stick in before boot?
[18:53] <wirechief> System >Administration>Usb startup disk
[18:55] <BUGabundo> why don't ppl use rsync?
[18:55] <ienorand> wirechief: Does that work with studio- I presumed it didn't since it doesn't have lives
[18:55] <BUGabundo> I got mine a few days, then rsynced yesterday, and today again
[18:55] <wirechief> ienorand: i dont know about studio i dont use it.
[18:56] <eseven73> rsync for what BUGabundo ?
[18:56] <wirechief> but if you get it just look for it and if not there you can and should be able to get unetbootin and it will work the same.
[18:57] <eseven73> BUGabundo rsync for what? (first question didn't hilight you correctly, sorry)
[18:58] <ienorand> Finnish: If you want to install to usb you'd need a large usb >6 I think, then just do a manual install using the usb device as the target device... Remember to put mbr on the _usb_ Also... your computer has to support usb boot (similar to booting from cd, look in bios)
[18:59] <un2him> looks like rc is here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/  Can anyone verify if this is the real rc?
[18:59] <eseven73> use torrents!
[18:59]  * eseven73 grrrs
[19:00] <BUGabundo> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[19:00] <eseven73> ty BUGabundo I was just going to try to find some torrent links for people since im the one moaning about it ;)
[19:01] <eseven73> BUGabundo, anyways, what did you mean "why ppl don't use rsync"? earlier
[19:02] <BUGabundo> eseven73: you mean http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%0Cr%C8%B8d%A9%1B%FC%FF%9Eq%DD%18%290_o7%7Fw ?
[19:02] <BUGabundo> eseven73: busy to explain eheh
[19:02] <SandGorgon> guys.. i have beta ISO. should I use rsync to get the RC iso ?
[19:02] <eseven73> no earlier you asked: [10:54] <BUGabundo> why don't ppl use rsync?
[19:02] <z_existence> anyone with acer aspireone or similar atheros wifi ?
[19:02] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: sure, if serve olds
[19:03] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: didnt get ya
[19:03] <wirechief> SandGorgon: just use wget -Nc url
[19:03]  * eseven73 thinks BUGabundo is doing some serious multitasking
[19:03] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: sure, if serve*r* *h*olds
[19:04] <BUGabundo> eseven73: eating my apple and counting stuff
[19:04] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: !! cool
[19:04] <eseven73> lol
[19:04] <BUGabundo> so rsycn
[19:04] <BUGabundo> eseven73: man rsync for introdution
[19:05] <BUGabundo> eseven73: and here is the bash script that cwillu improved based on my rsync scripts http://paste.ubuntu.com/151971/
[19:05] <eseven73> no, I know what rysnc does I didn't know why you were asking people to rsync, I figured out you meant for updates so nevermind :)
[19:05] <un2him> downloading from http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ right now.  Not sure if it the final RC though
[19:05] <BUGabundo> eseven73: not updates!! for ISOs
[19:05] <eseven73> ah
[19:06] <Tukon> anyone know why the RC amd64 desktop torrent iso isn't downloading?
[19:06] <Tukon> working for anyone?
[19:06] <BUGabundo> un2him: I386 http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%0Cr%C8%B8d%A9%1B%FC%FF%9Eq%DD%18%290_o7%7Fw ?
[19:06] <un2him> yes, that is the one
[19:07] <z_existence> anyone working on linux-backports-modules-jaunty ?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> z_existence: contact #ubuntu-kernel
[19:08] <un2him> guess i'll check the md5sums with the "official" rc iso
[19:08] <BUGabundo> not sure apw is around to reply to you
[19:08] <BUGabundo> un2him: great
[19:09] <BUGabundo> ohh https://shipit.ubuntu.com is up and running
[19:10] <charlie-tca> I see an rc in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/rc/
[19:11] <SandGorgon> what is the rsync url to be used ?
[19:11] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: see my pastbin
[19:11] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/151971/
[19:12] <BUGabundo> just add /cdimage/ to the path
[19:12] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: thanks
[19:12] <BUGabundo> common error and rsync fail to connect is very bad verbose
[19:12] <un2him> charlie-tca: yes, but i notice the checksum is different than the iso from the torrent.  Guess it is possible neither one of them is the real deal
[19:12] <BUGabundo> I think I filed a bug on that YEARs ago
[19:12] <charlie-tca> I don't think it iss all there yet
[19:13] <un2him> charlie-tca: I think you're right.  Best bet is to wait for the official announcement
[19:14] <BUGabundo> too late
[19:14] <BUGabundo> I already let the entire world know
[19:14] <BUGabundo> heh
[19:14] <charlie-tca> aw, crap
[19:15] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: is  http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ == cdimage.u.c/release?
[19:15] <maxb> I never understand why people are so keen on isos
[19:15] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I rsync at 4:30 am here
[19:16] <maxb> If you're a release candidate sort of person, why aren't you already running Jaunty :-)
[19:16] <maxb> Or already running Intrepid.
[19:16] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I rsync from cdimages.ubuntu.com
[19:16] <Pici> Its not out until the release announcement goes out.
[19:16] <charlie-tca> That is true.
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[19:17] <BUGabundo> my rsync is from 12h GMT
[19:17] <BUGabundo> maxb: I've been here so long that I just don't know what iso are for
[19:17] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:17] <maxb> :-)
[19:17] <BUGabundo> I use KVM, LiveUSB, netboot, etc
[19:18] <maxb> isos are what you feed to usb-creator, right? :-)
[19:18] <BUGabundo> yep
[19:18] <BUGabundo> we should have img files too... lol
[19:19] <BUGabundo> and image writter installed
[19:19] <maxb> image writer? You mean dd? :-)
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: you could convert it to img with a script
[19:19] <BUGabundo> maxb: ;)
[19:20] <BUGabundo> ohh xea.... forgot to test netboot installer from kvm... now I can't .... all mirrors should be getting DDOS
[19:24] <BUGabundo> how nice.... gtkpine/Compiz regression! grrr
[19:25] <cryingtux> BUGabundo:
[19:25] <BUGabundo> cryingtux:
[19:25] <cryingtux> upgrading from hardy to intrepid gives me this error
[19:25] <cryingtux> W:Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[19:25] <cryingtux> same error when i tried to upgrade from intrepid to 9.04
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> cryingtux: can you ping us.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:26] <jemark> cryingtux: try another mirror
[19:26] <cryingtux> jemark: would you suggest any please?
[19:27] <mrwes> any reason why after an upgrade to Jaunty apt-get clean isn't ran ?
[19:27] <jemark> cryingtux: anything close to you
[19:27] <BUGabundo> cryingtux: just re-run the check
[19:28] <BUGabundo> mrwes: err you may want to keep the packages?
[19:28] <cryingtux> BUGabundo: tried and get same error
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> mrwes: submit a bug. i thought it offered to cleanup usually
[19:28] <mrwes> ActionParsnip, well it left alot hanging around
[19:28] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip:  mrwes that's a task for Cruft Remover (or what ever its now called)
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> mrwes: id get a bug logged
[19:29] <BUGabundo> and it is becoming part of UM -d
[19:29] <mrwes> ActionParsnip, k
[19:29] <BUGabundo> mrwes: $ ubuntu-bug update-manager
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> i've got auto-clean enabled ;)
[19:29] <BUGabundo> I'm sure mvo will give it top priority.... not
[19:30] <mrwes> ActionParsnip, how to enable auto-clean?
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> mrwes: sudo apt-get auto-clean
[19:30] <maxb> urgh. it had better not clean the packages by default or I shall be filing a bug complaining about that
[19:30] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: apt-get CLEAN is better LOL
[19:31] <mrwes> Also I keep getting a partial upgrade request for libluences2-java
[19:31] <BUGabundo> maxb: +1
[19:31] <maxb> No, it's not better. It's just designed for a different use-case
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: auto-clean does it auto after each install
[19:31] <BUGabundo> mrwes: your mirror is behing
[19:31] <mvo> mrwes: it will clean a lot on the next cron.daily run
[19:31] <maxb> ActionParsnip: Careful, you're giving out wrong info
[19:31] <mrwes> er..ok
[19:31] <BUGabundo> hey mvo.... nice to see you around!
[19:31] <mvo> hey BUGabundo
[19:31] <BUGabundo> mvo: ever got around to check my compiz bug??
[19:31] <BUGabundo> I have to reload it EVERY time I boot
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> maxb: can you fill us in
[19:32] <mvo> BUGabundo: not yet, sorry :(
[19:32] <BUGabundo> other then audio glitch it's the only not fixed bug on my system
[19:32] <maxb> ActionParsnip: apt-get autoclean means to clean, just now, as a one-off, the packages which are no longer referenced in the lists files.
[19:32] <mvo> BUGabundo: what was the number again?
[19:32] <BUGabundo> auto clean removes unsused packages, CLEAN removes EVERYTHING
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> autoclean = Like clean, autoclean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files. The difference is that it only removes package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless. This allows a cache to be maintained over a long period without it growing out of control.
[19:32] <BUGabundo> mvo:  uhhhhh getting logs
[19:33] <mrwes> so should one apt-get clean or auto-clean?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> mvo: might be https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[19:33] <BUGabundo> bhahahahahshvfsdgopihjepgbjd
[19:33] <BUGabundo> mvo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/339984
[19:33] <ubot3> Malone bug 339984 in compiz "cant activate compiz (dup-of: 178953)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[19:33] <ubot3> Malone bug 178953 in compiz "compiz  doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:33] <ubot3> ubottu: Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[19:34] <ubot3> ubottu: Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[19:34] <ubot3> Malone bug 178953 in compiz "compiz  doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:34]  * BUGabundo I really have to stop using shift while copying
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> compiz is a bug in itself
[19:34] <mrwes> heh
[19:34] <BUGabundo> and ubottu is going crazy
[19:34] <maxb> mrwes: If you're the kind of person who just wants updates, and never wants to uninstall and reinstall things without redownloading them, and want to maximize your diskspace, "clean". If you're the kind of person who sometimes wants to reinstall a package, "autoclean"
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> bug #7676   Compiz exists status: critical
[19:34] <ubot3> Malone bug 7676 in gnomemeeting "gnomemeeting doesn't start : relocation error libopeng323" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7676
[19:35] <ubot3> ubottu: Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu: not well-formed (invalid token): line 139, column 26
[19:35] <mrwes> maxb, Ok I understand that -- thanks
[19:35] <mbeierl> attack of the bots!
[19:36] <maxb> mrwes: However, you generally don't need to care, as the default setup involves automatically removing old package files subject to rules configured in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20archive
[19:36] <cryingtux> BUGabundo: again same error
[19:36] <cryingtux> http://rafb.net/p/o6Hd8i47.html
[19:36] <homy> Why does the topic channel still say beta?
[19:36] <BUGabundo> cryingtux: maybe mvo: can help
[19:36] <jpds> nalioth: please see above.
[19:37] <maxb> With the default rules being: Never clean something less than 2 days old. Otherwise, clean things over 30 days old, or more aggressively to keep the cache under 500 MB (IIRC)
[19:37] <cryingtux> mvo: would you please help?
[19:37] <BUGabundo> homy: still waiting for the announce email
[19:38] <jpds> homy: Not yet announced.
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> maxb: personally i have a script to run all updates and the last line is sudo apt-get clean, the script is set to run at 6am every day
[19:38] <mrwes> is ubuntu-bug something that is only available on beta releases?
[19:39] <nalioth> jpds: see what?
[19:39] <jpds> nalioth: ubottu vs. ubot3 bug clash.
[19:39] <homy> ah, but the images on releases.ubuntu.com are official anyways?
[19:39] <nalioth> jpds: how did ubot3 get in here?
[19:40] <maxb> ActionParsnip: fair enough, if that works for you. I never delete packages until they are obsolete, since this means I can debootstrap a chroot without downloading anything, and also usually install common build-deps in a chroot without downloading them
[19:40] <bmunger_> wow kubuntu's site still hasnt updated news about RC release
[19:40] <jpds> homy: Could still be testing, for mirroring purposes, but it's not yet offically announced.
[19:40] <jpds> nalioth: No idea.
[19:40] <nalioth> jpds: i thought you were referring to the guy calling for this channel to be closed
[19:41] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: you trust ubutnu QA team too much! I like to be able to downgrade
[19:41] <BUGabundo> homy: still waiting for the announce email
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> maxb: i'm real heavy handed with my own systems as i simply dont care if it breaks and its usually something simple to fix if it does
[19:41] <jpds> bmunger_: Because it's not yet been _announced_.
[19:41] <maxb> ActionParsnip: Yeah.... it's very simple to fix a botched upgrade if you've kept the packages to roll back to!
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: i just dont care if it breaks
[19:42] <BUGabundo> nalioth: there are already ppl wanting to kill us ? ehe
[19:42] <JMFTheVCI> this channel will remain for Jaunty till GA? Then it is for Karmic?
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> maxb: i'd just reinstall from my backed up partimage, takes about oooh 10 mins to restore /
[19:42] <mrwes> maxb, any 'howtos' on how to rollback?
[19:42] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: usually it gets closed for a while, pointing to #ubuntu
[19:42] <nalioth> BUGabundo: no, we shut this channel down after a release, until enough code from the next one gets out there that the next one can run
[19:42] <JMFTheVCI> BUH: 'k
[19:43] <BUGabundo> nalioth: wasn't that what I said?
[19:43] <BUGabundo> JMH 'k back
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> nalioth: doesnt stop someone joing it and it getting respawned
[19:43] <JMFTheVCI> <my typing....>
[19:43] <mib_zhlam8> BUGabundo: shame cuz I like this smaller channel better than the main #ubuntu
[19:43] <maxb> mrwes: No. You "just" manually install the old packages.
[19:43] <BUGabundo> mib_zhlam8: you and me both
[19:43] <Dougshell> hey guys...i dont have a seperate home partion from / can i still upgrade to ext4 without a reinstall
[19:44] <maxb> #ubuntu is frankly unusable because of its size, I find
[19:44] <BUGabundo> Dougshell: good question
[19:44] <BUGabundo> I guess yes
[19:44] <Dougshell> WARNING: DON’T CONVERT YOUR /boot PARTITION. Right now, there is no stable version of grub with ext3 support.
[19:44] <nalioth> ActionParsnip: um, we lock it down, dude.  nobody can join until we reopen it
[19:44] <BUGabundo> can some one please remember me what the heck is the ext3->EXT4 line?
[19:44] <BUGabundo> I keep forgeting it
[19:45] <maxb> Why is everyone so keen to run to ext4?
[19:45] <BUGabundo> Dougshell: no support for ext *3* LOLOL
[19:45] <BUGabundo> maxb: speed?
[19:45] <Dougshell> http://www.kev009.com/wp/2008/12/how-to-upgrade-to-ext4-in-place/
[19:45] <mib_zhlam8> Dougshell: there is a way to mount an existing ext3 fs as ext4 but oly new files will get all of the benefits
[19:45]  * maxb intends to let it season for at least one ubuntu release
[19:45] <BUGabundo> mib_zhlam8: or any files you touch! find does wonders
[19:45] <BUGabundo> maxb: I would go with XFS (its what I have)
[19:45] <Dougshell> so in order to get the benefit of ext4 i have to do a reinstall?
[19:45] <BUGabundo> its as fast as ext4
[19:46] <mib_zhlam8> maxb: I love ext4 but I hear of people having problems with it
[19:46] <BUGabundo> but isn't gaiinig so much dev attention
[19:46] <mrwes> the RC is out now?
[19:46] <BUGabundo> and sufferes from the same Tso' bugs
[19:46] <kklimonda> mrwes: i've seen RC image on server already
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> nalioth: won't it respan if the cahnnel doesnt exist? this is normal irc server behaviour
[19:46] <homy> mrwes: yes
[19:46] <maxb> ActionParsnip: Not if it's locked.
[19:47] <mrwes> why is my update manager not seeing it?
[19:47] <SandGorgon> this is a first : does rsync on fat32 for an ISO file return - skipping non-regular file "kubuntu-9.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso" ?
[19:47] <JMFTheVCI> I read that ext4 has issues with lost data if you have crashes due to cached but unwritten data
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> maxb: gotcha
[19:48] <mib_zhlam8> mrwes: if you're already on 9.04 you won't see it you probably already have t. It's just a package snapshot
[19:48] <nalioth> For tips and information on channel and user modes and management, see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml ActionParsnip   Pay attention to +i
[19:48] <nalioth> ActionParsnip: chanserv never leaves
[19:48] <Dougshell> well basically i just want to faster boot time...and that is only available if yo uuse ext4 correct
[19:48] <JMFTheVCI> Dougshell: My boot is faster and I am still ext3
[19:49] <Dougshell> faster because of jaunty you mean
[19:49] <JMFTheVCI> yup
[19:49] <mib_zhlam8> Dougshell: the faster boot is in jaunty's code itself not the FS. Though ext4 helps :)
[19:49] <Dougshell> also all these things that say , disabled due to jaunty upgrade
[19:49] <Dougshell> once i reboot those go back to being enabled correct
[19:50] <mrwes> mib_zhlam8, how the heck would I know -- I just upgraded a few hours agao
[19:50] <kulight> Dougshell: there is a big improvement regardless to the fs
[19:50] <mib_zhlam8> Dougshell: which things?
[19:50] <lanoxx> will the latest 2.26.1 gnome update go into jaunty?
[19:50] <Dougshell> ic...
[19:50] <JMFTheVCI> Dougshell: I think you may have to re-enable
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> nalioth: nice
[19:50] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: my boot is also faster... but that's JJ... FS can also improve it
[19:50] <BUGabundo> togheter it makes wonders
[19:50] <Dougshell> yes i have reenabled but they still say disabled (even though they are ticked)
[19:50] <Dougshell> i think i need a reboot
[19:50] <Dougshell> the fs change only helps for fsck i think
[19:50] <mib_zhlam8> lanoxx: not if it came out after the feature freeze in Feb
[19:51] <Dougshell> (boot wise)_
[19:51] <lanoxx> it came out a few days ago
[19:51] <lanoxx> but it brings alot of bugfixes
[19:51] <ghatak_mobile> Hey does anyone know what is the current kernel on 9.04 ?
[19:51] <mib_zhlam8> lanoxx: then no
[19:51] <lanoxx> since 2.26 is included the change is only minor isnt it
[19:51] <maxb> ghatak_mobile: http://packages.ubuntu.com for checking package versions in all ubuntu distros
[19:51] <ghatak_mobile> thanks maxb
[19:52] <Dougshell> going to try a reboot ill report back
[19:52] <nalioth> ActionParsnip: it happens every 6 months, i'm not sure how you've missed it previously . .
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> nalioth: just not paying attention, stuff to do etc
[19:52] <lanoxx> mib_zhlam8, and i belive in 2.26.1 the really annoying bug that makes it impossible to save the session is fixed
[19:53] <ghatak_mobile> ok 2.6.28, if I wanted the most recent kernel, how do I go about getting it for 9.04, or do I just need to compile it manually?
[19:53] <BUGabundo> ghatak_mobile: I know
[19:53] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.28-12-generic #42~crimsun1lp345627 SMP Sat Apr 11 02:00:26 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:53] <lanoxx> though if its not possible to include the whole update, then i would like to request a backport of this bugfix atleast
[19:53] <BUGabundo> oops.. forgot I was using dtchen's one
[19:53] <tremby> my NFS volumes in my fstab aren't being mounted when i boot. if i then sudo mount -a they mount. where might any error output during boot be going?
[19:53] <BUGabundo> for the looks of it, jaunty will have even more SRUs post release then Ibex heh
[19:54] <ghatak_mobile> BUGabundo: I am really after 2.6.29
[19:54] <BUGabundo> ghatak_mobile: you have .30 on mainline
[19:54] <mib_zhlam8> tremby: check your fstab file
[19:54] <lanoxx> mib_zhlam8, do you know anything about this bug?
[19:54] <ActionParsnip> tremby: maybe the mount is being attemoted before the LAN comes up, if you add a line to the last boot level to run: mount -a then it will mount
[19:54] <BUGabundo> I would ask the bot for the factoid. but OPs found it cruft
[19:54] <kulight> BUGabundo: whats SRU ?
[19:54] <ghatak_mobile> mainline ?
[19:54] <BUGabundo>  !mainline
[19:55] <BUGabundo>  ! SRU | kulight
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> tremby: *attempted
[19:55] <tremby> ActionParsnip: i assume you mean attempted. i'm not sure how to do what you say
[19:55] <tremby> add a line to the last boot level
[19:55] <mrwes> tremby, or the post session
[19:55] <BUGabundo> who has the main line wiki link for ghatak_mobile?
[19:56] <tremby> mrwes, that also means nothing to me
[19:56] <tremby> how do i find out if it's trying to mount them before Lan comes up?
[19:56] <lanoxx> mib_zhlam8, ?
[19:56] <Dougshell> they still say disabled
[19:56] <Dougshell> wtf
[19:56] <Dougshell> also why is teh login screen so different but the theme is the same
[19:56] <Dougshell> it was quite a let down..the new login screen seems out of place
[19:57] <hifi> Xorg radeon driver fails to initialise DRI ([agp] Could not bind), did work with intrepid, clean jaunty netinstall without a xorg config
[19:57] <ghatak_mobile> BUGabundo: got it
[19:57] <ghatak_mobile> thanks
[19:57] <hifi> anyone else having this issue?
[19:57] <ienorand> Dougshell: Yes, the login and boot screen is cheap... but that's they way things go I guess...
[19:58] <Dougshell> what do yo mean cheap
[19:58] <ActionParsnip> tremby: put a script in /etc/rc5.d that is executable to run the command, you dont need sudo in it as it will be run as root
[19:58] <Dougshell> no im saying they seem liek a refresh but the os doesnt follow
[19:58] <tremby> ActionParsnip: right, yeah, i understand now. but shouldn't it only be trying to mount NFS stuff after the network comes up anyway?
[19:59] <tremby> there's a script in if-up.d called mountnfs
[19:59] <Dougshell> maybe its just because the software i have have not been added to the jaunty repositories
[19:59] <mrwes> tremby, put mount -a in here /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default
[19:59] <Dougshell> (ie swiftweasle, exaile  etc
[19:59] <ienorand> Dougshell: Yea that as well, but I also think it's kinda like "oh look how cool this new dark theme looks, wow awesome!!1!" (in a bad way)
[19:59] <tremby> mrwes: i don't use GDM.
[20:00] <BUGabundo> tremby: no? then what?
[20:00] <tremby> startx
[20:00] <Dougshell> i like it...it looks so much more polished
[20:00] <Dougshell> but as i said the os doesnt follow suit
[20:00] <oOarthurOo> I'm trying to install cedega 7, but when i try and install the deb file I get this error: Dependency is not satisfiable: python2.4-dbus
[20:01] <tremby> so i suppose my modified question is this: why doesn't the /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs script seem to be working for me?
[20:01] <ienorand> What bugs me the most is that there is no quick way to revert to the old login screen...
[20:01] <mib_zhlam8> lanoxx: sorry what was the question? (pretty girl sat next to me in lab)
[20:01] <ActionParsnip> tremby: not sure but if the fstab is attempted and the lan isnt up the mount will fail
[20:01] <mrwes> er...anyhow that should have been PreSession/Default
[20:02] <tremby> ActionParsnip: yes, i understand that, but then surely this script is supposed to execute as soon as the network /does/ come up
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> tremby: maybe someone has a more graceful way but thats how i'd go for it
[20:02] <BUGabundo> time to go.... good RC support everyone!
[20:02] <mrwes> ActionParsnip, that happened with my cifs mount
[20:02] <mib_zhlam8> anyone know how to make xchat use hhtp? I hate this web client
[20:02] <lanoxx> mib_zhlam8, haha, excuse accepted :) the question was whether the fixes for session saving that come with gnome 2.26.1 will go into jaunty
[20:03] <lanoxx> mib_zhlam8, because right now (even with 2.26) session saving in gnome is still proben
[20:03] <lanoxx> s/proben/broken
[20:03] <mib_zhlam8> lanoxx: I'm not sure
[20:03] <mib_zhlam8> they may be on a SRU
[20:03] <ienorand> Frankly though I would be more upset if the os *did* follow this splash/gdm theme update... Since in my opinion, that would be pure horror. (I have a thing against dark themes btw)
[20:03] <lanoxx> mib_zhlam8, SRU?
[20:03] <lanoxx> !SRU > lanioxx
[20:03] <charlie-tca> ienorand: Can't do it with login window options in System?
[20:04] <mib_zhlam8> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[20:04] <Dougshell> hey also anyone here running virtualbox on jaunty
[20:04] <lanoxx> !SRU > lanoxx
[20:04] <Dougshell> before i could not get usb support
[20:04] <Dougshell> has this been fixed
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Dougshell: yes
[20:04] <mib_zhlam8> g2g
[20:04] <ienorand> charlie-tca: Nope, the new one has completely replaced the old default...
[20:04] <Dougshell> yes fixed or es your running it
[20:04] <Dougshell> i just need to get itunes...(yes itunes its for a restore)
[20:04] <charlie-tca> I thought it was still using gdm, though
[20:05] <soreau> hifi: Can you walk me through it real quick?
[20:05] <soreau> I'm on gentoo atm
[20:05] <hifi> here?
[20:06] <Dougshell> do you have usb support charlie
[20:06] <soreau> ok, pm will work
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> gentoo ftw
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Not using the virtualbox-ose from ubuntu
[20:06] <Dougshell> either am i
[20:06] <Dougshell> i am using regular virtualbox
[20:06] <charlie-tca> You would have to install the sun version
[20:06] <Dougshell> it is installed
[20:07] <Dougshell> I have added myself to the group and everything
[20:07] <ienorand> charlie-tca: Of course, it's gdm, but the theme is changed
[20:07] <perscitus> Allot of people must be downloading RC
[20:07] <Dougshell> did yo have to change fstab or soemthing
[20:07] <Dougshell> because this just told me to change the mount file
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Dougshell: for usb?
[20:07] <Dougshell> yes
[20:07] <Dougshell> basically did usb work out of teh box for yo
[20:07] <charlie-tca> no, just a minute and i'll find the thing
[20:07] <Dougshell> or did you have to force it
[20:07] <Dougshell>  thank you so mcuh
[20:08] <Dougshell> your talking abotu the #magic lines
[20:08] <Dougshell> because i have done that
[20:08] <soreau> Is there a way to install jaunty to another partition on the same machine from here? (gentoo)
[20:08] <soreau> like chroot or so?
[20:09] <Whitor> Hi all. Since today marks the final freeze for Jaunty... is there any reason to wait until the 23rd to upgrade? Are there any bugs left to be worked out?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> ienorand: System -> Administration -> Login Window ; Local tab, change the theme
[20:09] <Whitor> Hi soreau btw :)
[20:09] <Dougshell> im up and running so far
[20:09] <Dougshell> no issues
[20:10] <soreau> Whitor: Apparently so. hifi has a problem with radeon 9600 (and hi btw)
[20:10] <Dougshell> couple of software sources are disabled
[20:10] <soreau> Whitor: 3D not working
[20:10] <Dougshell> but that is about it
[20:10] <ienorand> charlie-tca: and where there is the former human default?
[20:10]  * Whitor is not an ati guy ... but will wait anyway
[20:10] <Whitor> thanks all
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Ah, I see that one is missing. but Human Circle Of Friends is close
[20:11] <soreau> Whitor: I was going to wait, but since my other linux test install went to crap I figured I'd test this to see if I can get the same as hifi (since I have the same card)
[20:11] <ienorand> charlie-tca: It's not even available through the gdm-themes package... Highly annoying.
[20:11] <ienorand> charlie-tca: Close, but no cigar.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> So they chose to completely replace it. Not easy, but you could copy it from intrepid.
[20:12] <Whitor> I might if I'm feeling adventerous... prolly take a clone of my hd first, just to be safe
[20:12] <Dougshell> grrr...i am really wondering how i can reenable these software sources or if it will fix itself upon official jaunty release
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> Whitor: thats what i do every night so i upgrade and update freely without a care
[20:13] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip: i wanted to upgrade to 9.04 but it say it would be finished in 3hrs or so
[20:14] <charlie-tca> Dougshell: added your user to the vboxusers group?
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: wow i'd choose a different mirror
[20:14] <Dougshell> yes
[20:14] <thiebaude> its from update-manager -d
[20:15] <DanielHolth> Which package causes ubuntu-netbook-remix to automatically log in and show the launcher?
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I don't then
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: download the alternate cd, md5check it then upgrade using that, that'd be faster
[20:16] <thiebaude> im not able to burn a cd
[20:16] <Dougshell> all of a sudden flash doesnt work
[20:16] <Dougshell> wtf
[20:16] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: no need, mount the iso and upgrade off that
[20:16] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: reinstate it
[20:17] <Dougshell> all adobe has is deb for 8.04
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: use the tar.gz and extract the .so to ~/.mozilla/plugins (i'll assume you use firefox like everyone else)
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: theres a 64bit one you can use too if you ubuntu is 64bit
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: if you want the link i can get you it
[20:18] <Dougshell> wi got it
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> ok
[20:19] <Dougshell> copy past .so to /.moz...
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: then cp <.so file> ~/.mozilla/plugins
[20:19] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip: is there an article on how to mount an ISO.
[20:19] <Dougshell> why mkdir shouldnt it already be there
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: sudo mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /media/cdrom0
[20:20] <Dougshell> also school me on some shit real quick what is ~/.
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: its not there by default
[20:20] <Dougshell> i know its not an absolute path
[20:20] <Dougshell> ok.
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: ~/ == /home/$USER
[20:20] <Dougshell> ic thats what i though
[20:22] <Dougshell> still no flash
[20:22] <Dougshell> .so file is in /home/doug/.mozilla/plugins
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: hmm, weird
[20:23] <Dougshell> also i am using swiftweasel i am sorry im sure that makes a difference
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: sudo apt-get --reinstall install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:23] <Dougshell> .swiftweasle/plugins maybe
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: then you need to put the .so file wherever  swifweasel searches for plugins
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> oh well
[20:26] <Dougshell> what did you say to install
[20:26] <Dougshell> flash....what
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> sudo cp ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/swiftweasel/plugins
[20:28] <mbeierl> Hey folks!  I'm trying to compile a source package (from apt-get source) and when I run ./configure it's failing on numerous dependencies missing.  Is there any way to get the full list of dependencies for a source package?
[20:28] <mbeierl> and yes, this is jaunty
[20:28] <Dougshell> yes i found that
[20:28] <Dougshell> there is a better way ...just make a symbolic linkl
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> theres that too
[20:32] <ILoveLinux> does any one still facing bluettoth issues in ubuntu 9.04
[20:33] <Dougshell> symbolic link worked
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> much easier than a deb imho
[20:34] <ILoveLinux> did the ubuntu 9.04 solved bluetooth problems of ubuntu 8.10
[20:34] <Dougshell> yes it was
[20:34] <td123> are there any major bugs in the rc so far?
[20:34] <Dougshell> i dont see any...but i dont have your hardware
[20:34]  * td123 is dling the rc now
[20:35] <Dougshell> ...btw teh virtualbox still does nto have usb
[20:35] <Dougshell> what vives
[20:35] <Dougshell> gives
[20:35] <maxb> mbeierl: Why are you trying to compile a source package by manually running ./configure ?
[20:35] <mbeierl> evolution?
[20:35] <mbeierl> maxb: is there a "proper" way to do it?
[20:35] <maxb> dpkg-buildpackage
[20:36] <maxb> You probably want the -b -us -uc options
[20:36] <maxb> assuming you're just trying to do a local binary build for personal use
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> Dougshell: try asking in #vbox
[20:37] <td123> man, once ubuntu get's released, I'm avoiding any ubuntu related thing :P don't want to get spammed
[20:38] <sinelaw> i've plugged in a usb mouse but it doesn't work.
[20:38] <sinelaw> help!
[20:38] <sinelaw> (lsusb does list it)
[20:39] <td123> sinelaw: check the bug reports
[20:39] <ActionParsnip> sinelaw: sudo rmmod usbhid; sudo modprobe usbhid
[20:40] <td123> ActionParsnip: isn't hal supposed to take care of that?
[20:40] <td123> sinelaw: file a bug report if there isn't one already
[20:40] <sinelaw> ActionParsnip, that worked
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> td123: dunno but it worked so i wouldnt knock it
[20:41] <mbeierl> maxb: ok, that list of unmet dependencies is perfectly in the format that apt-get install can match to real package names.  Much better, thanks!
[20:41] <sinelaw> thanks - another question: my display keeps blinking
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> sinelaw: installed video drivers?
[20:42] <sinelaw> ActionParsnip, i have a ati radeon x1200, and xorg is using the 'radeon' driver
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> sinelaw: can you run 3d stuff ok?
[20:43] <sinelaw> ActionParsnip, opengl yes
[20:44] <sinelaw> ah wait
[20:44]  * ActionParsnip plays a drumroll
[20:44] <sinelaw> i think it's using mesa
[20:44] <sinelaw> how can i be sure?
[20:44] <sinelaw> yip it says mesa
[20:44] <sinelaw> (glxinfo for example)
[20:45] <sinelaw> so i guess it's not ok
[20:45] <td123> it's supposed to use mesa, if you aren't using the proprietary ati drivers
[20:45] <sinelaw> ok, but why is my screen blinking all the time?
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> bad refresh rate maybe
[20:45] <td123> what's your refresh rate
[20:46] <sinelaw> 60hz but it was always like this (i'm using a laptop)
[20:47] <sinelaw> in intrepid is was ok
[20:47] <sinelaw> *it. i mean there was no blinking
[20:48] <td123> dunno, 60hz seems fine
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> sounds ok
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> sinelaw: try a slightly lower res, just to test
[20:51] <sinelaw> ActionParsnip, tried, still blinks occasionally just like before
[20:51] <sinelaw> i need to logout/in now to restore it , brb
[20:52] <Volkodav> ubuntu64
[20:54] <mrwes> does dontzap --enable work even after a reboot or does it need to run again a boot up?
[20:56] <Halow> mrwes: It should work right away. Are you sure you want it enabled? Getting ctrl+alt+bcksp back needs it it disabled.
[20:56] <mrwes> Halow, duh -- I just read that
[20:57] <mrwes> heh
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> !zap
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> !dontzap
[20:57] <SandGorgon> where is kubuntu RC ? i only see a DVD - not a cd
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> SandGorgon: i didnt think it was released for a week
[20:58] <jay_> SandGordon: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/9.04/
[21:16] <holyscott> Is anyone DLing the RC yet?
[21:16] <vixey> yes I am
[21:16] <holyscott> what version you getting?
[21:19]  * ienorand does a little rc dance
[21:19] <sinelaw> so my screen still blinks.
[21:19] <ondisk> RC!
[21:21]  * ondisk jumps on a torrent
[21:31] <gletob> Can anyone point me to a guide for converting EXT3 to EXT4?
[21:31] <erle-> is jaunty RC now?
[21:31] <gletob> Yes as of today http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[21:31] <dtchen> erle-: see the topic.
[21:32] <erle-> still an open issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ports-meta/+bug/361222
[21:32] <dtchen> erle-: luke is aware of the bug
[21:32] <erle-> ok
[21:33] <gletob> erle-, So that just affects those with encrypted systems correct
[21:33] <erle-> if you need more info, just contact me (i am in here pretty often)
[21:33] <erle-> gletob, i dont know
[21:33] <charlie-tca> gletob: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4
[21:34] <erle-> the biggest problem is, that there are no logs because there is no volume access
[21:34] <gletob> charlie-tca, do you know if that bug effects you if you don't use dm-crypt
[21:35] <erle-> you should make sure before, because with the old kernel you cannot mount ext4
[21:35] <charlie-tca> I don't think it does, but check the release notes just in case -
[21:35] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes
[21:36] <charlie-tca> You do have to manually update grub if you switch to ext4
[21:36] <erle-> but i hope, dm-crypt support wasn't dropped or something?
[21:38] <charlie-tca> I did a couple of installs, encrypting the entire drive, and they worked, but no upgrades on encrypted drives
[21:39] <erle-> didnt you try or didnt it work?
[21:39] <charlie-tca> I never tried an upgrade on a encrypted drive
[21:42] <erle-> i can still use the system with the old kernel, but its just sad to be unable to use GEM and other new stuff ...
[21:43] <drbobb> hello, jaunty's version of x.org doesn't seem to do very well with my laptop's integrated vga (by SIS)
[21:43] <drbobb> the strange part is that it's a regression, it worked a lot better under hardy
[21:44] <drbobb> now i'm getting screen artefacts any time i move a scrollbar
[21:46] <gletob> drbobb, could you post the output of sudo lshw -c video
[21:46] <gletob> drbobb, in a pastebin
[21:46] <drbobb> sure
[21:46] <crdlb> and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:47] <gletob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[21:47] <drbobb> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m6ecda606
[21:49] <gletob> No noted issues in release notes hold on.
[21:49] <drbobb> i know it's not a very good chip, but previous releases managed to set it up to a working condition, correct resolution and so on
[21:50] <drbobb> in jaunty, out of the box i get an unusable state - res is ok, but the colors are all psychedelic
[21:50] <gletob> drbobb, you have tried the standard go into recovery mode, run the xfix option right?
[21:50] <drbobb> well i got it more or less working by modprobe sisfb
[21:51] <drbobb> this was never needed in previous releases
[21:53] <drbobb> as for the Xorg.log, are you sure it's useful? xorg is running on Winischhofer's sis driver, as always
[21:54] <drbobb> except that before, it worked ok w/o sisfb
[21:54] <gletob> drbobb, the output of Xorg.log couldn't hurt
[21:55] <drbobb> (3d accel & DRI are out of the question, as always)
[21:55] <tormod> drbobb: which bug # is this?
[21:56] <gletob> drbobb, It seems someone else on the forums with the same card has had this issue before but never got a solution to their problem
[21:56] <drbobb> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m370875b3
[21:57] <drbobb> here's the xorg log
[21:57] <drbobb> tormod: not reported yet
[21:58] <drbobb> i was wondering whether installing from the alternate cd may have to do with the problem
[21:58] <drbobb> but i can't retry with the desktop one, cause my cd drive failed :(
[21:58] <ienorand> drbobb: completely? o_O
[21:59] <khunt> mp-bios bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC ?? any ideas
[21:59] <drbobb> ienorand: it reports all disks i stick into it as blank
[21:59] <drbobb> so it does spin but does not read
[22:00] <ienorand> drbobb: And it's not just in current os?
[22:00] <td123> wow ppl are seriously dling the rc a lot, my speed is fluctuating from 32kb to 150kbps :D
[22:00] <drbobb> booting from any cd fails as well
[22:00] <ienorand> drbobb: Ah... shucks that...
[22:00] <gletob> td123, Are you using the torrent?
[22:00] <td123> gletob: no
[22:01] <ienorand> drbobb: install using usb?
[22:01] <td123> gletob: torrent didn't have any seeds when i tried it
[22:01] <m0RrE> well, let's see if it has become any better.. upgrading my workstation noow
[22:01] <drbobb> ienorand: no bios support
[22:01] <m0RrE> had som serious problems with it a few weeks ago
[22:01] <ienorand> drbobb: :(
[22:01] <drbobb> and no floppy drive
[22:02] <ienorand> drbobb: Butt in the mailbox, so to speak...
[22:03] <gletob> ienorand, I'd prefer up the creek with out a paddle.
[22:03] <tormod> drbobb: you can boot a downloaded cd image from your hard drive
[22:03] <joejc> how does the notifyer thing work?
[22:03] <drbobb> tormod: yes, and i found that this prevents the installer from partitioning that drive
[22:03] <gletob> tormod, unetbootin right?
[22:04] <drbobb> but it's roughly what i did
[22:04] <drbobb> i just prepared the partitions in advance
[22:04] <tormod> drbobb: true :) but you will see if the graphics driver works already
[22:05] <tormod> gletob: no, by copying the casper directory to the hard drive and booting it with grub
[22:05] <drbobb> tormod: i used the alternate because i wanted to use LVM
[22:06] <drbobb> but what i did was roughly what you say
[22:06] <drbobb> up to the difference that i was setting up a new blank drive, that i had to swap several times around with the old one
[22:07] <drbobb> i partitioned and formatted the drive by hooking it up via usb to a working system
[22:08] <joejc> what do i need to do to enable notifications?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> joejc: it should be automatic.
[22:12] <joejc> does it work for volume?
[22:14] <shal3r_> How to properly disable Composite in 9.04 ?
[22:15] <crdlb> drbobb: did you try reducing the color depth to 16?
[22:16] <drbobb> crdlb: no i did not
[22:16] <nztal> i just had my laptop stolen from my car yesterday.  it made me wish i had encrypted my home partition with the alternate installer.  i am wondering if its too difficult, or even possible to reinstall easily, if you choose that option ?  i believe thats why i did not do it, on subsequent attempts, ie wouldn't allow me to preserve my /home user data
[22:16] <drbobb> i thought nobody used reduced color depth anymore
[22:18] <crdlb> drbobb: you're using SiS :/
[22:18] <crdlb> and there's that blob of text about reducing color depth if you have video problems
[22:18] <drbobb> crdlb: well i said so, didn't i
[22:18] <drbobb> uh, what text
[22:18] <crdlb> the one that starts with "Dear SiS76x user"
[22:19] <drbobb> ah in the log file
[22:20] <drbobb> it also refers to video playback, which is not what i'm doing
[22:23] <kklimonda> shal3r_: setting Visual Effects to None doesn't work?
[22:23] <wirechief> rootdelay=90  gives a fix for usb-stick falling into an intramfs busy box for me on  AMD desktop
[22:25] <lore20> hello
[22:25] <lore20> i think jaunty have a little regression in notification support
[22:26] <lore20> the new framework work fine with pidgin/evolution/etc..
[22:26] <lore20> *works
[22:26] <drbobb> but yeah it seems SiS sucks overall, I'll make sure I buy a better machine next time
[22:26] <vixey> I tried the beta in vmware but it didn't work so I'm not going to risk burning a CD of it yet
[22:26] <drbobb> (if I'm ever able to afford another one)
[22:27] <lore20> but it doesnt work at all with some programs (bluetooth,messages sent by gnome-screensaver,etc.)
[22:27] <BUGabundo> drbobb: SiS SUCKS big time
[22:27] <jameswf> you could always use a thumbdrive if you dont like CD's
[22:27] <BUGabundo> I've spent countless hours trying to get even part of it working
[22:27] <BUGabundo> and opened a MASTER bug to track it down
[22:27] <jameswf> hate to waste $0.02 burning a cd
[22:28] <crdlb> drbobb: still worth a shot though ...
[22:28] <shal3r_> kklimonda, as far as i know, that`s disabling effects, not Composite
[22:28] <lore20> what's SiS?
[22:28] <crdlb> lore20: you don't want to know
[22:28] <lore20> .....
[22:28] <lore20> !SiS
[22:28] <charlie-tca> SiS is ...
[22:29] <charlie-tca> made mine into a server
[22:29] <BUGabundo> lore20: it's a manufacture
[22:29] <drbobb> crdlb: I think I'd rather have those minor glitches than a reduced color depth
[22:29] <crdlb> it's not that bad
[22:29] <crdlb> I'm not suggesting 256 colors
[22:29] <drbobb> or i'll just reinstall hardy, which worked better and will still be supported for a while
[22:30] <lore20> great... someone fix the bluez kernel module in jaunty...
[22:30] <crdlb> that would work
[22:30] <drbobb> jaunty feels a good bit snappier though
[22:30] <drbobb> but that might be an effect of using jfs
[22:31] <khunt> I am unable to boot a live cd on my gf laptop i get the follwing error  mp-bios bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
[22:31] <lore20> does anybody know if ext4 is good for flash drives?
[22:31] <lore20> khunt: already tried to upload your bios?
[22:32] <vallesmarineris> hi guys, I upgraded to the beta and now I see gnome-terminal: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libvte.so.9: undefined symbol: pango_layout_get_baseline. is there any way to fix this?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> khunt: turn ACPI off on the boot
[22:32] <khunt> i tried that
[22:32] <khunt> still no joy
[22:32] <BUGabundo> press F6 and choose does options on the installer
[22:32] <vallesmarineris> that is, when I try to launch gnome-terminal
[22:32] <nztal> lore20, it worked alright for my flash drive
[22:32] <vallesmarineris> I'm in xterm now
[22:32] <BUGabundo> khunt: no? then get a BIOS upgrade
[22:33] <lore20> yes... it should work, of course... but has it the same problem with devices lifetime of ext3=
[22:34] <khunt> not sure if ill find one its a crappy iqon laptop
[22:35] <BUGabundo> khunt: I know how it hurts
[22:35] <khunt> ata1 revalidation failed
[22:36] <khunt> thats what happens if i turn off acpi on boot
[22:42] <dan457> khunt, I have a box with that same bios bug, but it works fine.  You may have a different issue.
[22:45] <khunt> hmm
[22:46] <drbobb> well the good part, b43 seems to work a lot better in jaunty than it used to
[22:46] <khunt> i have read some stuff about iqon laptops and ubuntu on the net but not fixes
[22:46] <drbobb> but kde4 is still quite buggy
[22:47] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[22:47] <BUGabundo> dtchen: are you here?
[22:49] <dtchen> BUGabundo: among other buffers, yes. what do you need?
[22:49] <Austin`> To upgrade to 9.04 or not to upgrade to 9.04?
[22:49] <BUGabundo> dtchen: user from LoCo no recording sound in jaunty
[22:50] <BUGabundo> can you help him?
[22:50] <dtchen> BUGabundo: in ~5 minutes
[22:50] <BUGabundo> okay
[22:50] <BUGabundo> ping me back dtchen. thanks
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[22:59] <billybigrigger> hola amigos
[23:00] <philsf> I can't make the guest account work from the fusa applet, how can I debug it, run from command-line?
[23:00] <billybigrigger> anyone here use remote desktop viewer on a regular basis?
[23:01] <billybigrigger> i use it help a buddie out when he's got questions with ubuntu, but we wen't to go fire it up today, and i can seem to connet to his machine fine, i just can't click on anything, when i click on a file in the desktop for example it doesn't highlight the file, or i can't open menu's for example, this just started happening today and it used to work fine
[23:01] <un2him> downloading the rc now
[23:02] <billybigrigger> but he reports that im clicking on everything, its just not showing on my end
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: you may need to run the server or client app with interactivity enabled
[23:02] <billybigrigger> i tried xtightvncviewer to connect to his machine, thinking it might be a program bug in remote desktop viewer, and still the same thing
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: the default may be view only
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: its not something i use but that would be my guess
[23:03] <m0RrE> pulseaudio isn't running.. how do i start it? i had a nice setup in intrepid with my 5.1 surround.. equalizer enabled and great sound.. now after my upgrade it's all lame again and i can't get pulseaudio to run.. any ideas?
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: have you considered using ssh to command line?
[23:03] <billybigrigger> ActionParsnip, view only isnt checked
[23:04] <billybigrigger> ya, i could but it was nice because he can see what im doing to fix the problem so he doesnt call me everyday asking me the same questions :P
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> m0RrE: to start pulse run: sudo pulseaudio -D
[23:04] <m0RrE> it won't start
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> !sound | m0RrE
[23:04] <billybigrigger> well ssh will work for this problem i guess, i tried to install flash while i was drunk at his house the other weekend and i must have really screwed up, so how do i go about clearing every instance of installing flash? like start from scratch minus reinstalling the os
[23:05] <m0RrE> I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE.
[23:05] <m0RrE> I: caps.c: Dropping root privileges.
[23:05] <m0RrE> I: caps.c: Limited capabilities successfully to CAP_SYS_NICE.
[23:05] <m0RrE> pulseaudio: invalid option -- 'd'
[23:05] <m0RrE> E: main.c: Failed to parse command line.
[23:05] <Foor> So all i need to know is the Daily build the RC?
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree
[23:06] <billybigrigger> i think i installed a deb
[23:06] <billybigrigger> from macromedia adobelabs iirc
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: if you want flash simply copy the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: if the system is 64bit theres a 64bit flash plugin
[23:07] <billybigrigger> yes ites 64bit
[23:07] <billybigrigger> s/ites/its
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> tar zxvf ./libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> mv *.so ~/.mozilla/plugins
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> rm libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> killall firefox
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> job done
[23:08] <billybigrigger> 10-4, ill give it a shot
[23:08] <billybigrigger> thanks
[23:08] <Foor> job done brutally
[23:09] <bigjocker> lol
[23:09]  * ondisk wants a 64 system
[23:09] <ondisk> 64 bits*
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> its the way i do it, im not terrified of getting my hands a little dirty
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> actually, filthy
[23:09] <Foor> anyone know if the Release candidate is just the daily build?
[23:10] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger , or you could copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> Foor: the rc will be the daily for the release day as far as i can see
[23:10] <billybigrigger> which dir is better? mozilla/plugins or xul-runner-addons/plugins?
[23:10] <bigjocker> hehe
[23:10] <billybigrigger> can i copy it to both?
[23:10] <Foor> ok thanks i guess but im disappointed
[23:10] <bigjocker> mozilla/plugins is the right place
[23:11] <bigjocker> correct*
[23:11] <billybigrigger> what chmod properties should that file have?
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> bigjocker: it needs manually creating
[23:11] <billybigrigger> its highlighted green when i ls in the ~/mozilla/plugins dir
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: green == executable
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> mines green too
[23:13] <vistakiller> geia
[23:13] <vistakiller> hi sorry
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> Foor: disappointed with what?
[23:14] <Foor> i was hoping for alot of updates
[23:14] <Foor> have a few issues still
[23:15] <bigjocker> Foor, you dont want a lot of updates in a RC
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> Foor: what issues?
[23:15] <Foor> :P i guess so
[23:15] <bigjocker> unless you are using debian ... lol
[23:16] <lifi-> anyone else having trouble to set up bigdesktop with grandr and fglrx?
[23:16] <Foor> nothing huge just little things the new wav theme making the firefox menu unreadable and stuff
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> wav theme?
[23:16] <Foor> new wave
[23:16] <Foor> the theme
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> i use lxde
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> looks ok, try a different theme
[23:18] <billybigrigger> wow, this is odd
[23:18] <Foor> ?
[23:18] <billybigrigger> ActionParsnip, me and my buddie are both running jaunty 64bit, both using the same flashplugin, and he gets a white window where flash animations are and my works flawlessly, whats goin on?
[23:19] <bigjocker> billybigrigger, did he restart firefox? did he install it in the right place?
[23:19] <billybigrigger> yes
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: try: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:19] <billybigrigger> he's got it in the same dir as me, same file permissions, about:plugins (after a killall firefox) shows the same in Shockwave Flash section
[23:20] <billybigrigger> ActionParsnip, can i have 2 versions of flash installed? like the .so and the .deb from repos?
[23:20] <bigjocker> billybigrigger, did he try to install the flashplugin-nonfree from apt?
[23:20] <billybigrigger> ya, same thing
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: ive had it work like that sometimes
[23:20] <bigjocker> billybigrigger, i mean ... that error may mean that you have two versions of the plugin
[23:21] <billybigrigger> well i purged remove flashplugin-nonfree and tried again, still white box
[23:21] <bigjocker> billybigrigger, the apt version uses nspluginwrapper, because it uses the 32 bit version ... nspluginwrapper must be removed too
[23:21] <billybigrigger> sudo apt-get --purge remove nspluginwrapper
[23:22] <bigjocker> billybigrigger, and you should check in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins that no old files are left in there ...
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> oh god ye remove nspluginwrapper
[23:22] <MarkyB86> Hello I am going to install 9.04 tonight
[23:22] <bigjocker> i know no files should be left in there after purge ... but nspluginwrapper is a weird citizen
[23:23] <billybigrigger> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins should be completely empty?
[23:23] <bigjocker> usually no
[23:25] <billybigrigger> k thanks guys, he's reporting its working
[23:25]  * billybigrigger waits for the phone call
[23:26] <akahige1> when I first upgraded to jaunty over the weekend, rebooting was smooth and fast, unlike intrepid which took forever because of the long string of USB device poll failures. now, after some jaunty update, that behavior is back. anybody else seeing this?
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> akahige1: cant say i have tbh
[23:33] <akahige1> ActionParsnip: okay. I know there are intrepid bugs filed for that issue, and I was hoping they got it sorted for jaunty
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> akahige1: log a bug
[23:34] <dael99> Ubuntu breaks a lot on 64bits machines... almost every app chrashes after a few minutes...
[23:34] <BUGabundo> dael99: FUD
[23:35] <BUGabundo> I'm on 64bits. have been for more then a year
[23:35] <akahige1> dael99: I'm running jaunty on an AMD64 with no probs at all
[23:35] <dael99> so, why every app chrashes that much
[23:35] <dael99> in intrepid those things doesn't happened to me.
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> dael99: ive been on 64 bit linuxes for a good while, its fine
[23:36] <DeepB> dael99: amd64 here, no problems at all
[23:36] <dael99> (AMD turion 64x2, 3gbRAm, 120HDD, ATI X1200)
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> dael99: app settings, system config, hardware
[23:36] <dael99> mmm in a newly installed app, these problems seems to be more common
[23:36] <dael99> for example on gwibber
[23:36] <BUGabundo> C2D here
[23:36] <BUGabundo> gwibber is a bit unstalbe yes
[23:37] <dael99> Evolution, Sudoku, etc
[23:37]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick
[23:37] <BUGabundo> don't use any
[23:37] <dael99> what about evolution, default installl
[23:37]  * BUGabundo breaks cwillu stick and hands a feather
[23:37] <dael99> thta's what I do... none of these, I'm using thunderbird for mails now
[23:37] <BUGabundo> dael99: I use kmail
[23:37]  * cwillu tickles dael99 with a feather
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> uses webmail
[23:38] <cwillu> dael99, try running some of the apps from terminal windows so you can see what the problem is when they crash
[23:38] <BUGabundo> ahaahahahahahahahahahah
[23:38] <dael99> let's try...
[23:38] <cwillu> dael99, I'm suspicious that something is leaking memory, and you might be seeing the oom-killer kicking in
[23:38] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I go further. I run from GDB
[23:38] <dael99> like what?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> ohh memleak? valgrind powaaaaaaaaaaa
[23:38] <cwillu> dael99, like nearly anything right now :p
[23:39] <cwillu> BUGabundo, can you say 'overkill'?  when we don't even know what app is at fault yet? :p
[23:39] <cwillu> dael99, pastebin /var/log/syslog
[23:39] <cwillu> !pastebin
[23:40] <BUGabundo> cwillu: duh of course I do that when I KNOW
[23:41] <dael99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/152434/
[23:41] <cwillu> thanks
[23:41] <dael99> tha's my syslog
[23:42] <dael99> (also, in this beta i have a message every time i boot "soft reset failed, device not reADY")
[23:42] <cwillu> dael99, is it just applications crashing, or is the whole machine hanging?
[23:42] <dael99> SOMETINES, BUT ONLY SOMETIMES, THE pc STOP RESPONDING, AND get's to a black screen....
[23:42] <ellar> Does anyone else suffer from crackling noise after login to gdm?
[23:42] <dael99> but, it's only sometimes....
[23:43] <dtchen> ellar: there are test kernels resolving that.
[23:43] <dael99> ellar: me not.
[23:43] <ellar> dtchen, which?
[23:43] <dtchen> ellar: see http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[23:43] <dtchen> i'll be rebuilding this evening for the latest upload (2.6.28-11.42)
[23:43] <dael99> dtchen: (L)
[23:43] <cwillu> Apr 15 13:24:02 dael-laptop kernel: [ 5953.634824] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 178
[23:43] <cwillu> Apr 15 13:24:02 dael-laptop kernel: [ 5953.634829] lost page write due to I/O error on sdb1
[23:44] <BUGabundo> cwillu: that's not good! faulty disk?
[23:44] <ellar> dtchen, thank you. When will that  be? Any little tip how to use your deb?
[23:44] <dael99> cwillu: can this be ans soft-reset issue?
[23:44] <BUGabundo> dtchen: does that mean I need to update tomorrow?
[23:44] <cwillu> dael99, do you have an external drive?
[23:44] <dael99> nope
[23:44] <dael99> i have a 3 months laptop....
[23:44] <dael99> (i'm afraid....)
[23:45] <dael99> sometimes i use my phone as external drive... can be that?
[23:45] <killedkillerb> if i install the pre-release jaunty, will i have to do a clean install when the official one comes out or will i be able to just update?
[23:45] <cwillu> dael99, okay, that's probably all this error is, I don't see it again in the log
[23:45] <cwillu> killedkillerb, just updating will suffice
[23:45] <BUGabundo> killedkillerb: no
[23:46] <cwillu> normal warnings about pre-release os's still apply though
[23:46] <BUGabundo> killedkillerb: update-manager will get you final
[23:46] <killedkillerb> awesome
[23:46] <killedkillerb> time to start backing up my hdd
[23:46] <BUGabundo> killedkillerb: see /topic
[23:46] <cwillu> dael99, nothing is jumping out at me from that log.  I guess try running some of the crashing apps from a terminal for a while, and see what they say when they crash
[23:47] <dael99> in terminal... nothing.
[23:47] <ellar> dtchen, shall i install image + headers? some hint please!
[23:47] <dael99> only a theme message... (pastebin, wait...)
[23:47] <cwillu> dael99, no, you need to run the program from the terminal and then when the program _crashes_ check the terminal
[23:47] <cwillu> when/if
[23:48] <dael99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/152436/
[23:48] <cwillu> dael99, ... wait until the program crashes, and _then_ check the terminal
[23:49]  * jameswf attempts to put moonlight 2.0 on and stream netflix...
[23:49] <cwillu> until it crashes, none of the output is relevant really
[23:50] <dael99> nope... they randomly chash.... even Tomem crash sometimes....
[23:51] <dael99> should i re-install the whole system in 32 bits? or just update eternally?
[23:51] <cwillu> dael99, you're misunderstanding
[23:51] <dael99> what?
[23:52] <cwillu> dael99, Run totem from the terminal, and use it like that for the day.  If and when totem crashes, the terminal will now contain useful information regarding the crash
[23:52] <dtchen> BUGabundo: yes
[23:52] <dtchen> ellar: headers, image, restricted*
[23:52] <dael99> ok... i'll come back with that ionformation. thnaks guys. see you later.
[23:54] <storrgie> got an issue where when I restarted a drive in my /etc/fstab doesnt appear to have been mounted... where can i look for errors on this?
[23:54] <m0RrE> i can't load alsa-sink module in pulseaudio? anyone know about this issue?
[23:54] <jameswf> storrgie: dmesg
[23:54] <storrgie> that /var/log/dmesg?
[23:55] <jameswf> storrgie: or simply type dmesg
[23:55] <storrgie> jameswf: anything i should be cluing in on? i searched for the drive name and didnt see anything
[23:56] <jameswf> storrgie: if the event just happened should be in the last dozen lines
[23:56] <storrgie> jameswf: seeing SATA link down
[23:56] <nztal> anyone know if the problem of preserving /home user data when crypting /home user folder using the alternate installer is resolved when doing a reinstallation using jaunty ?  or what the key is, to get it to accept a already encrypted /home user partition ?  its been a while since i've tried that.  i stopped trying when it wouldn't accept my already encrypted /home dir.
[23:58] <storrgie> so jameswf i did a fsck
[23:58] <storrgie> its saying that EVERY group descriptor checksum is invalid
[23:59] <cwillu> storrgie, upgraded to ext4 did you?
[23:59] <storrgie> yea on all my drives on this machine
[23:59] <cwillu> storrgie, did you do the final fsck on each drive that's required when you do that
[23:59] <cwillu> ?
[23:59] <storrgie> final?
[23:59] <storrgie> noo
[23:59] <storrgie> i didnt upgrade
[23:59] <storrgie> fresh format
[23:59] <cwillu> hmm