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| ttx | theorically it's the Java meeting time, but persia is not around | 14:05 |
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| ttx | hah - no, it's in an hour. | 14:07 |
| persia | Who's here for the Java meeting? | 15:00 |
| elky_ | ttx was before | 15:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:02 |
| persia | It's that daylight savings time thing. It just has to go. | 15:02 |
| persia | Anyone else? | 15:02 |
| elky_ | no kidding | 15:02 |
| elky_ | no, i'm just muttering away to myself here | 15:03 |
| persia | OK. Nothing on the agenda. | 15:03 |
| persia | Jaunty is frozen, and no critical bugs identified for jaunty. | 15:03 |
| persia | slytherin and robilad aren't here | 15:04 |
| persia | Luddovicc isn't here | 15:04 |
| persia | I've no progress to report on the Java 5 front. | 15:04 |
| persia | ttx, Anything to report on Contents? | 15:04 |
| ttx | I generated the java-Contents.gz for Jaunty recently | 15:05 |
| ttx | and blogged about it | 15:05 |
| ttx | just playing with it to find examples for the blog post, I found some pretty obnoxious duplication | 15:05 |
| ttx | that we should try to fix in Karmic where possible | 15:06 |
| persia | Excellent. That sounds like a useful goal. | 15:06 |
| persia | I suspect we'll generate a number of useful bugs for upstream out of that as well. | 15:06 |
| persia | Next up is attracting new Java packagers. | 15:07 |
| ttx | I'll try to run a Java packaging session for one of the Packaging Training sessions in May | 15:07 |
| dholbach | nhandler: ^ :) | 15:07 |
| persia | Do we have anything for next week? | 15:07 |
| ttx | I know dholbach has been looking for candidates :) | 15:07 |
| nhandler | That is great to hear ttx :) | 15:08 |
| ttx | dholbach: you highlight on "packaging" or "Training" ? | 15:08 |
| dholbach | ttx: just coincidence :) | 15:08 |
| nhandler | ttx: | 15:08 |
| nhandler | ttx: We are tracking sessions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training | 15:08 |
| * nhandler goes to update it for May | 15:08 | |
| ttx | nhandler: I'll pick a date a try to stick to it | 15:09 |
| ttx | that's all from my side. | 15:10 |
| persia | Anyone have anything else? | 15:10 |
| persia | OK. See you next week then. | 15:12 |
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| mcasadevall | #startmeeting | 22:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:01. The chair is mcasadevall. | 22:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 22:01 |
| mcasadevall | argh | 22:01 |
| === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander | ||
| NCommander | We all here? | 22:01 |
| plars | yep | 22:01 |
| GrueMaster | In spirit. | 22:02 |
| NCommander | [topic] Action Item Review from 04/09/09 | 22:02 |
| NCommander | ... | 22:02 |
| === NCommander is now known as mcasadevall | ||
| mcasadevall | [topic] Action Item Review from 04/09/09 | 22:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action Item Review from 04/09/09 | 22:02 |
| mcasadevall | damn it | 22:02 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] persia to investigate 338148 | 22:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: persia to investigate 338148 | 22:03 |
| persia | mcasadevall, I thought you said you were doing that last week. | 22:03 |
| persia | I haven't looked at it since. | 22:03 |
| mcasadevall | Oh, thats the VNC4 thing | 22:03 |
| mcasadevall | Oops | 22:03 |
| lool | Hey | 22:03 |
| mcasadevall | I assigned it to me, my mistake | 22:03 |
| mcasadevall | [action] NCommander to investigate 338148 | 22:04 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to investigate 338148 | 22:04 |
| mcasadevall | sidenote: no progress/ carry over on that | 22:04 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] persia to chase VFP for cairo ffmpeg and gtk+2.0 | 22:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: persia to chase VFP for cairo ffmpeg and gtk+2.0 | 22:04 |
| persia | ffmpeg and gtk2.0+ prepared, massively improved by lool, and uploaded. | 22:05 |
| persia | I got horribly stuck on cairo, and thought lool had taken it this week. | 22:05 |
| lool | cairo > I implemented it for Debian; it's in theory easy to merge in Ubuntu, but in practice I should redo it to have smaller changes | 22:05 |
| persia | lool, Do you expect that to be able to go post-RC? | 22:06 |
| lool | Unfortunately I didn't find the time; I'm not convinced the cairo changes are acceptable at this point | 22:06 |
| lool | persia: I chatted about it with slangasek, it was after the RC build were kicked off, but would I see the changes myself I would cry | 22:06 |
| lool | It's like a rewrite of rules currently | 22:06 |
| lool | Also, gtk+2.0 had an issue in the vfp flavor alone, and that's not encouraging | 22:06 |
| persia | Yeah, that's what I was finding, and it's not a simple rules file. | 22:06 |
| persia | What was the issue? | 22:07 |
| lool | Missing configure flags | 22:07 |
| lool | it was using the common configure flags instead of the same ones as for the shared flavor | 22:07 |
| lool | That caused xinput to go missing, which was quite subtle to miss | 22:08 |
| persia | RIght. | 22:08 |
| lool | So I'll try to push cairo if time allows; I'd like an ack from Debian too | 22:08 |
| lool | Anyway, mcasadevall > moving on | 22:09 |
| mcasadevall | [action] lool to continue investigation of cairo VFP | 22:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to continue investigation of cairo VFP | 22:09 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] lool to spec ec2-package-builder for jaunty+1 | 22:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lool to spec ec2-package-builder for jaunty+1 | 22:09 |
| ogra | haha | 22:09 |
| mcasadevall | ogasawara, ? | 22:09 |
| lool | ogra: pff :) | 22:09 |
| ogra | as if lool would have time to write specs :) | 22:09 |
| lool | mc<TAB> | 22:09 |
| mcasadevall | argh | 22:10 |
| lool | carry<tab> over<tab> | 22:10 |
| lool | I feel like writing more specs before going in holidays :-P | 22:10 |
| lool | Plus deadline approaches | 22:10 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] ogra to trim selection-of-arm-images to a smaller scope | 22:10 |
| persia | Remember the specs deadline is the 21st! | 22:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ogra to trim selection-of-arm-images to a smaller scope | 22:10 |
| ogra | co ... | 22:10 |
| ogra | the other two as well | 22:10 |
| ogra | persia, oh, was it extended ? | 22:11 |
| ogra | cool | 22:11 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug | 22:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug | 22:11 |
| persia | ogra, Extended? It's been the 21st since I sent the mail. | 22:11 |
| GrueMaster | Sorry, couldn't get it to run after rebuilding. Constant segfaults. | 22:11 |
| mcasadevall | I'd like to add a sidenote on this one | 22:11 |
| StevenK | Sounds like an improvement to me | 22:11 |
| ogra | persia, last wee you said tuesday :P (indeed i assumed this tue) | 22:11 |
| GrueMaster | Will work on it some more this weekend. | 22:11 |
| mcasadevall | actually, forget the sidenote | 22:12 |
| * persia hands ogra a calendar | 22:12 | |
| ogra | heh | 22:12 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] NCommander to coordinate with lool and re-purpose hardening-wrapper to pass -Os on lpia builds | 22:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander to coordinate with lool and re-purpose hardening-wrapper to pass -Os on lpia builds | 22:12 |
| * ogra does a happy dance ... | 22:12 | |
| mcasadevall | hardening-wrapper is now lpia-wrapper, and mostly done | 22:12 |
| lool | mcasadevall: Where is it? | 22:13 |
| mcasadevall | lool, in a PPA, still needs some work | 22:13 |
| lool | mcasadevall: Which one? | 22:13 |
| * lool checked yours already | 22:13 | |
| mcasadevall | lool, the lpia compiler optimizations off my account | 22:13 |
| mcasadevall | lool, remember, we have multi-PPAs now :-) | 22:13 |
| lool | https://launchpad.net/~mcasadevall/+archive/ppa => I don't see it? | 22:14 |
| lool | Oh ok | 22:14 |
| mcasadevall | lool, ignore the build-essential package, thats just there to get builds to build with it by default. | 22:14 |
| lool | It's actually the fault of my own firefox keywords | 22:14 |
| lool | mcasadevall: What's the status? Does it work alright? | 22:15 |
| mcasadevall | Talked with kees on how we want to handle the hardening-wrapper/lpia-wrapper conflict, and agreed to copy the hardening-wrapper functionality right into lpia-wrapper. Its a fugly solution, but without building a general framework (which is a spec I'm going to pick for karmic), we couldn't come up with anything better that didn't require predepends or horrid horrid abuses of stuff | 22:15 |
| mcasadevall | lool, works fine on -Os, I just need to add the other two flags. No obvious breakages yet, but I haven't stressed tested it to the point I'm fully happy (generally I'm going to toss it into a chroot then rebuild the base system and if that passes I'll feel its safe enough to toss in achroot) | 22:15 |
| lool | mcasadevall: is there a way to override this addition altogether? | 22:16 |
| mcasadevall | lool, yeah, you can turn it off via an environment variable, or via /etc/lpia-wrapper.conf | 22:16 |
| lool | glibc doesn't build with -Os for instance | 22:16 |
| lool | mcasadevall: ok; great; happy to pursue the other enhanements as specs then | 22:16 |
| lool | mcasadevall: Please hand it to IS via the ticket I mentionned | 22:16 |
| mcasadevall | lool, ATM, it auto-turns off for the kernel and -O0 which is part of hardening-wrapper's functionality | 22:16 |
| lool | Erg | 22:17 |
| lool | How does it detect kernel? that's a bit scray | 22:17 |
| mcasadevall | lool, -D_KERNEL_ | 22:17 |
| mcasadevall | Which is what hardening-wrapper also does | 22:17 |
| lool | Ok | 22:18 |
| mcasadevall | I'll nip this one in the bud tonight, because this weekend likely going to be a complete loss | 22:18 |
| mcasadevall | (long story there :-/) | 22:18 |
| * ogra twiddles thumbs watching the meeting turn into #ubuntu-hardening | 22:18 | |
| mcasadevall | [topic] NCommander to test usplash at 800x600 | 22:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander to test usplash at 800x600 | 22:18 |
| ogra | any luck ? | 22:18 |
| mcasadevall | Didn't get to this, and because I'm kinda transitory this week with LCDs, someone else should take it | 22:18 |
| mcasadevall | else carry over | 22:19 |
| ogra | well, its unlikely to work, but given that i'll do more install tests before final i'll give it a try once | 22:19 |
| ogra | put it on my plate | 22:19 |
| mcasadevall | [action] ogra to test usplash at 800x600 | 22:19 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to test usplash at 800x600 | 22:19 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] ogra nd NCOmmander to post backtraces of #328167 for upstream | 22:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ogra nd NCOmmander to post backtraces of #328167 for upstream | 22:19 |
| ogra | havent gotten to that, but i saw you did :) | 22:20 |
| lool | Not sure what the default kvm res is, but it seems close to 800x600 and I saw usplash there | 22:20 |
| mcasadevall | I posted a full backtrace, writeup, and repeating instructions including our workaround, and the steps leading up to it | 22:20 |
| mcasadevall | I've also offered remote root to any developer who wants to try and fix this on my Babbage, no takers :-/ | 22:20 |
| ogra | lool, its the hardcoded nature of the frambuffer itself ... | 22:20 |
| ogra | you cant vary much, i played a lot with fbset this week | 22:20 |
| mcasadevall | Well, usplash is supposed to work with /dev/fb0 or /dev/*whatever vesa uses* | 22:21 |
| lool | 640x480 | 22:21 |
| mcasadevall | The former regressed at some point AFAIK | 22:21 |
| lool | AFAIK it hardcodes vesa usage nowadays | 22:21 |
| ogra | right, but it requires that this works at certain modelines which the driver doesnt match is my assumption | 22:21 |
| mcasadevall | lool, ewww | 22:21 |
| mcasadevall | Isn't usplash going away for karmic though? | 22:22 |
| lool | Should be replaced by plymouth, not sure whether it's karmic | 22:22 |
| mcasadevall | Ok | 22:22 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] Roadmap Review | 22:22 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Roadmap Review | 22:22 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] offline-installer (ogra) | 22:22 |
| MootBot | New Topic: offline-installer (ogra) | 22:22 |
| ogra | lool, i doubt plymouth can work on a babbage framebuffer | 22:23 |
| ogra | no progress on any of my specs | 22:23 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] mobile-setup-wizard (persia) | 22:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mobile-setup-wizard (persia) | 22:23 |
| lool | ogra: It's KMS; KMS could very well work on fb | 22:23 |
| lool | Since it's all abstracted by the kernel | 22:23 |
| ogra | i thought it needs driver support | 22:23 |
| lool | ogra: it needs driver support in the kernel | 22:24 |
| ogra | right | 22:24 |
| ogra | and we have a driver that doesnt even support a different resolution | 22:24 |
| * mcasadevall pokes persia | 22:24 | |
| mcasadevall | ok then ... | 22:25 |
| * persia double checks before making a confident statement | 22:25 | |
| mcasadevall | oh | 22:25 |
| persia | Works, except suffering from resolution issues. | 22:26 |
| mcasadevall | persia, should I leave it on the roadmap? | 22:26 |
| persia | mcasadevall, Please do: I do need to clean up a few more things before I remove it. | 22:27 |
| mcasadevall | Ok | 22:27 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] arm-library-optimization (lool) | 22:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: arm-library-optimization (lool) | 22:27 |
| ogra | done ? | 22:27 |
| lool | Hmm nothing to report anymore, we covered | 22:28 |
| lool | only cairo missing | 22:28 |
| lool | gtk fix pending after RC (now) | 22:28 |
| mcasadevall | Ok, I'll leave it on the roadmap | 22:28 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] poulsbo-packages (persia) | 22:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: poulsbo-packages (persia) | 22:28 |
| persia | Nothing to report | 22:29 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] arm-softboot-loader (persia) | 22:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: arm-softboot-loader (persia) | 22:29 |
| mcasadevall | er | 22:29 |
| mcasadevall | whoops | 22:29 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] arm-softboot-loader (NCommander) | 22:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: arm-softboot-loader (NCommander) | 22:29 |
| mcasadevall | Its on my TODO list as something to do this week, I think we want it for karmic. I've been following debian-arm, it looks like they're implementing something kexec based ont he slug to load larger kernels and initramfses | 22:30 |
| mcasadevall | Other than that, carry over | 22:30 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] lpia-versus-i386 (lool) | 22:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lpia-versus-i386 (lool) | 22:31 |
| persia | Roadmap items are *automatically* carried over. | 22:31 |
| lool | That's on mcasadevall's plate ATM | 22:32 |
| lool | covered already | 22:32 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] mobile-spec-cleanup (persia) | 22:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mobile-spec-cleanup (persia) | 22:32 |
| persia | Post-release. | 22:33 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] High-Priority Bugs | 22:33 |
| MootBot | New Topic: High-Priority Bugs | 22:33 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] bug #338148: VNC4 FTBFS (NCommander) | 22:33 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #338148: VNC4 FTBFS (NCommander) | 22:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338148 in vnc4 "Needs new version from Debian: fails to build with removal of mesa-swx11-source" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338148 | 22:33 |
| mcasadevall | no progress | 22:33 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] bug #358762: update-initramfs is missing a trigger for flash-kernel (lool) | 22:33 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #358762: update-initramfs is missing a trigger for flash-kernel (lool) | 22:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 358762 in initramfs-tools "update-initramfs trigger should run flash-kernel" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/358762 | 22:33 |
| lool | That's fixed | 22:34 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] bug #337809 APIC error on CPU 0 | 22:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #337809 APIC error on CPU 0 | 22:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 337809 in linux "APIC error on CPU 0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337809 | 22:34 |
| persia | mcasadevall, hint: check the bugs first, skip the Fix Released ones, and reload the page before *every* topic, because someone will edit the page. | 22:35 |
| mcasadevall | I guess no progress on this one | 22:35 |
| GrueMaster | I still see this on my MID. | 22:36 |
| GrueMaster | Beyond that, no. | 22:36 |
| mcasadevall | Do we have any new high-priority bugs we want? | 22:36 |
| mcasadevall | such as the lpia alt network one? | 22:36 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] Low-priority bugs | 22:37 |
| lool | No need to track it, it's fix released | 22:37 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Low-priority bugs | 22:37 |
| lool | Or fix committed + uploaded rather | 22:37 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] bug #299847: libipc-sharelite-perl FTBFS on armel | 22:37 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bug #299847: libipc-sharelite-perl FTBFS on armel | 22:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 299847 in libipc-sharelite-perl "Shared memory operations on very fast ARM hardware suffer from non-atomic operations and race conditions." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/299847 | 22:37 |
| mcasadevall | No progress, if/when we get new build hardware, I'm going to mark it Won't Fix if I can't reproduce it. | 22:37 |
| mcasadevall | Anyway, reminder, specifications are still needed for karmic | 22:38 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] Any other business | 22:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any other business | 22:39 |
| persia | Anyone have any questions about the process documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications ? | 22:39 |
| lool | And AR for this week => plars | 22:39 |
| persia | Also, please do submit things. There's 25-30 slots that need to be filled. | 22:39 |
| plars | yes please | 22:39 |
| mcasadevall | persia, I just submitted another one, and I have another one to be added | 22:40 |
| persia | And anyone can submit things: you don't need to be a member of ~ubuntu-mobile (as long as it's about the stuff ~ubuntu-mobile does) | 22:40 |
| lool | Ok; done? | 22:41 |
| mcasadevall | [topic] Open Discussion | 22:41 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 22:41 |
| lool | Nothing from me | 22:41 |
| ogra | nothing here either | 22:42 |
| lool | Suddenly I realized my screen was quite filed up with temrs and thought I'd take a souvenir screenshot | 22:42 |
| lool | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/jaunty-rc.png | 22:42 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/jaunty-rc.png | 22:42 |
| mcasadevall | My ISP officially killed tiered bandwidth caps in Rochester, NY | 22:42 |
| mcasadevall | WOOOO! | 22:42 |
| mcasadevall | I don't have to move! | 22:42 |
| * persia bangs the specs drum more | 22:42 | |
| ogra | time for 42" ? | 22:42 |
| lool | ogra: I have more workspaces ;) | 22:42 |
| * mcasadevall throws https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/rebuilder-framework at persia | 22:43 | |
| ogra | but you cant see them | 22:43 |
| mcasadevall | lool, thats ... intense O_O; | 22:43 |
| lool | ogra: I should have taken a 12-workspaces large screenshot! | 22:44 |
| mcasadevall | lool, I dunno how you manage with that workspaces, I've seen you use that at UDS and it would hurt me (although I have though about using a tilted window manager, and I must say I do like those) | 22:44 |
| ogra | lool, yeah ! | 22:45 |
| mcasadevall | Side note: I'm likely going to be MIA this weekend (need to drive back to NYC then back to Rochester) | 22:45 |
| lool | Oh right, I'm on VAC in 10 days for 2 weeks | 22:45 |
| mcasadevall | Anything else? | 22:46 |
| mcasadevall | Beside the lpia CD issue, anything worth noted on CD testing? | 22:46 |
| plars | iso tracker entries should be up (hopefully) today for lpia and armel | 22:47 |
| mcasadevall | Awesome | 22:47 |
| plars | but | 22:47 |
| plars | I know some people have done testing already | 22:47 |
| plars | and might have already put results under the arm entry that is out there under netboot | 22:47 |
| plars | which will probably be deleted since it is getting split up | 22:47 |
| plars | please check back and put in results again for the appropriate image if that applies to you | 22:47 |
| mcasadevall | The problem with the QA website is there is no admin interface, and to add a new thing requires DB editing (you need to add a product, then a test case, then links to instructions; its NOT straightforward) | 22:48 |
| * ogra pinged the release manage directly to report success for the babbage | 22:49 | |
| mcasadevall | I think we can call this meeting to an end | 22:50 |
| mcasadevall | Going once | 22:50 |
| mcasadevall | Going twice | 22:50 |
| mcasadevall | Oh, right, I was wondering if we should add a New Specification Discussion for next meeting (which is the last meeting at the end of the jaunty cycle/first karmic meeting) to overview everything we want, need specs for or have been drafted | 22:51 |
| mcasadevall | Any yays, nays? | 22:51 |
| * mcasadevall shrugs | 22:52 | |
| mcasadevall | #endmeeting | 22:52 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 16:52. | 22:52 |
| * cody-somerville falls over. | 22:54 | |
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| === mikrox is now known as mikro | ||
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