[01:24] <balzac> hello
[01:24] <balzac> I've been banned for a little while from #ubuntu
[01:25] <balzac> I'm here to ask to be un-banned
[01:25] <balzac> people have good and bad days on irc
[01:25] <LjL> hi.
[01:25] <LjL> true
[01:25] <balzac> maybe today is a good day to say "water under the bridge"
[01:25] <LjL> let me review your situation a little
[01:26] <balzac> are you re-reading log files?
[01:26] <balzac> or do you keep files on banned users like the FBI?
[01:27] <LjL> the latter.
[01:27] <LjL> and the FBI would say about you, "uuuh oh".
[01:27] <balzac> thanks
[01:27] <balzac> I've earned that distinction
[01:30] <balzac> I just want to install ffmpeg on my ubuntu 8.10 server
[01:31] <balzac> i don't think i used any bad language
[01:31] <LjL> ... wait
[01:31] <balzac> but I did try to lighten up the mood with some witty remarks
[01:31] <LjL> you're basically saying that you'll probably be a troll again
[01:31] <LjL> but RIGHT NOW, you need some Ubuntu help?
[01:32] <balzac> well, I don't plan on trolling
[01:32] <balzac> I was sincere
[01:32] <balzac> I really was taken aback by the name #ubuntu-offtopic, for example
[01:33] <LjL> balzac: ok so during this time, you have had time to toroughly check our guidelines, the coc, and everything else in /msg ubottu etiquette?
[01:33] <balzac> +LjL, I'm all about the ubuntu
[01:34] <balzac> well, I haven't exactly dried my eyeballs on all that
[01:35] <balzac> I've been on IRC for many years and I'm pretty familiar with the etiquette of IRC and Freenode
[01:35] <balzac> I have my own channel too
[01:35] <balzac> I'm over 30
[01:35] <balzac> are you over 30?
[01:36] <LjL> that's not relevant
[01:36] <Seeker`> what does age have to do with it?
[01:36] <balzac> sure it is
[01:36] <LjL> balzac: no it is not
[01:36] <LjL> balzac: i will ask you to come back when you have very, very carefully read
[01:36] <balzac> what if you guys are in your 20s?
[01:36] <LjL> !guidelines
[01:36] <LjL> !coc
[01:36] <LjL> !etiquette
[01:36] <LjL> please come back then and we will discuss it again
[01:36] <Seeker`> balzac: what if we are?
[01:36] <balzac> wait
[01:36] <LjL> see you
[01:37] <LjL> balzac: our ages are not relevant.
[01:37] <balzac> i'll read it right now
[01:37] <balzac> the COC
[01:37] <LjL> balzac: please leave the channel while you read it all, as we prefer people not to idle here.
[01:37] <LjL> come back when you're finished.
[01:38] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops balzac Bah, I don't think he's any less of a troll than before.
[01:38] <Pici> agreed
[01:38] <Seeker`> ++
[01:39] <LjL> oh god i want a cigarette
[01:39] <Seeker`> I really want to know what age has to do with it
[01:39] <Seeker`> LjL: no you don't
[01:39] <LjL> the "troll has left -ops" trigger...
[01:39] <Seeker`> you really want to save the money to put towards a bigger and better computer
[01:39] <balzac> alright, I'm a bit of a speed-reader
[01:40] <balzac> that's some very basic and familiar stuff
[01:40] <Seeker`> 1 min 35 seconds to read all of that?
[01:40] <balzac> I read a lot, every day.
[01:41] <LjL> i was actually googling "fastest reading speed record"
[01:41] <LjL> but he didn't even give me THAT much time
[01:41] <balzac> wait a second now
[01:41] <LjL> balzac: no
[01:41] <balzac> let's not be hasty
[01:41] <LjL> balzac: your ban will not be lifted at this time
[01:41] <LjL> balzac: come back here in six months
[01:41] <balzac> this is pure authoritarianism
[01:42] <LjL> balzac: if you have no further questions for us, please leave.
[01:42] <balzac> LjL: this is not the spirit of Ubuntu by any stretch of the imagination
[01:42] <balzac> this is #HumorlessIRCMallCops
[02:01] <LjL> next time i will check twice, and then again, whether i've typed /mode #ubuntu d or /mode #ubuntu b
[02:01] <LjL> gah
[02:01] <LjL> if only konvi's scrolling were a BIT faster
[02:23] <LjL> balzac in -ot
[02:40] <LjL> [03:39:48] <balzac> I'll be taking this up with community council
[02:40] <LjL> [03:40:08] <balzac> I'll expect to deal with you as a person, with our real given names
[02:42] <LjL> balzac: my given real name is Lorenzo Lucchini. My email address is ljl@ubuntu.com. Please feel free to take this issue up with whomever you feel appropriate, however I should inform you that a formal appeal process for Ubuntu IRC channels is described on the link you can see in this channel's /TOPIC (search for "appeal")
[02:42] <balzac> hello
[02:42] <balzac> My given name is Paul Gaskin
[02:42] <balzac> Now doesn't it seem a tiny bit silly, telling me that a minute and thirty five seconds wasn't enough time spent pondering the COC?
[02:43] <balzac> paulgaskin@gmail.com
[02:43] <LjL> I did not need to know it, but thanks for sharing. I regret to inform you that, from now on, I will not be discussing the matter personally as you expressed a wish to.
[02:43] <LjL> So, please follow the appeal procedure or take whatever steps you feel appropriate. However, from my stance, your ban stays permanentely.
[02:43] <LjL> Bye.
[02:43] <balzac> I wasn't planning on leaving so soon after you invited me
[02:44] <balzac> There's no need to recede into bureaucratic process
[02:45] <balzac> I'm just too old to be scolded and told to read something. It may well have been appropriate for a teenager who had a real problem.
[02:45] <balzac> But I'm way too old for it.
[02:46] <balzac> FYI, I have multiple freenode sessions because I work from the office, home, a friend's house.
[02:46] <balzac> and for that matter, I'm of the opinion that Freenode should err on the side of tolerance, not cracking down on those who break rules
[02:47] <balzac> two concurrent logins under two names should not be considered to be like robbing a bank
[02:47] <balzac> especially when the guy who does it makes no effort to decieve 
[02:48] <balzac> I am definitely not always agreeable, but I am pretty well committed to Ubuntu professionally
[02:48] <balzac> maybe this kind of silliness wouldn't happen if we were chatting under our given names in the first place
[02:50] <paulgaskin> It was too long to keep me banned
[02:51] <paulgaskin> I'm a guy who will actually try to deploy ubuntu in enterprise production environments 
[02:51] <paulgaskin> My success on the job depends on my access to IRC support
[02:51] <LjL> !ops | Please deal with paulgaskin
[02:52] <paulgaskin> dealing isn't neccessary, why not just be personable?
[02:53] <paulgaskin> so I whined about an audio driver, a channel name - it's not something which never happens on IRC
[02:54] <paulgaskin> And I regularly share my personal identity with people on freenode, because I'm not going anywhere. 
[02:55] <LjL> weird then that you don't have your real name in the designated "Real Name" field.
[02:55] <paulgaskin> what, my freenode registration?
[02:55] <LjL> now, i suggest that you ask the people in this channel something relevant to the topic of it
[02:56] <paulgaskin> that was years ago and I haven't touched it since originally registering my nick
[02:56] <paulgaskin> well, can I be allowed access under my registered nick, "balzac" in #ubuntu ?
[02:56] <paulgaskin> I wanted to get a package installed and I was working in front of a client
[02:57] <LjL> not if i can prevent it
[02:57] <paulgaskin> i don't get it
[02:57] <paulgaskin> you're on the @ubuntu.com side of the equation
[02:57] <LjL> look, you said you'd take it up with the community council
[02:57] <LjL> just take it up with the community council
[02:57] <LjL> go away
[02:57] <paulgaskin> why should you care so much about my attitude?
[02:57] <LjL> you're too arrogant to join #ubuntu
[02:58] <paulgaskin> well, I don't need to if you're willing to talk about it
[02:58] <LjL> i am not
[02:58] <paulgaskin> ubuntu is the most popular distro 
[02:58] <paulgaskin> How can I be too arrogant to be a part of something so big?
[02:59] <LjL> paulgaskin: when some other op who is willing to discuss the matter with you is around, they will. bye.
[03:55] <Flannel> Alright.  jamesjr in -ot is pressing his luck, if anyone with access has a moment
[03:58] <tritium> Flannel: he left on his own.
[03:58] <Flannel> Aye
[04:04] <Flannel> Oh... *that* guy
[04:09] <Amaranth> hrm, +z?
[04:10] <Flannel> What?
[04:10] <Amaranth> Trying to remember what +z is
[04:10] <Amaranth> Isn't that if a person is muted or the channel is +m ops still see all messages?
[04:11] <Flannel> 7yeah
[04:41] <redvamp128> I got a quick question - Is irc.ubuntu.com down? I have been trying to connect to it using pidgin all night?
[04:55] <Flannel> idling != waiting for response.
[09:14]  * Myrtti peeks out from under the couch
[09:14] <Myrtti> is the storm over?
[09:15] <MenZa> guys, see #ubuntu
[09:15] <MenZa> ikonia→ [2009-04-16 10:14:34 CEST]  < DeosamoX> Any good porn?
[09:15] <MenZa> [2009-04-16 10:14:34 CEST]  -!- salimane [n=salimane@218.106.184.52] has quit ["Leaving"]
[09:15] <MenZa> [2009-04-16 10:14:37 CEST]  -!- phh45 [n=salsakon@a85-156-224-4.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #ubuntu []
[09:16] <MenZa> [2009-04-16 10:14:43 CEST]  < DeosamoX> any good porn website?
[09:16] <Myrtti> MenZa: you know you can use !ops...
[09:16] <ikonia> yup, he's gone
[09:16] <ikonia> Myrtti: beat me to it
[09:16] <MenZa> Yes, but I *hate* !ops
[09:16] <MenZa> It makes me feel dirty and like I've done something wrong. :(
[09:16] <MenZa> anyway, fanks
[09:16] <MenZa> \o
[09:16] <Myrtti> MenZa: but it would have been so much *faster*
[09:16] <Myrtti> meh
[09:58] <ikonia> don't think we need a factoid for that
[10:40] <Myrtti> oh crap. Duncan switched the mac downstairs off for the thunderstorm and now it's still off - no music :-(
[10:41]  * Myrtti isn't a happy camper
[10:43] <ikonia> turn it on ?
[10:49] <Myrtti> ikonia: but it's a mac :-/ (and not mine either, so I don't particularly want to touch it)
[10:50] <topyli> it will blind you with shiny!
[10:50] <Myrtti> JEBUS what has happened to sanakirja.org
[10:50] <Myrtti> O_____________________O
[10:50]  * Myrtti is blinded
[10:51] <topyli> :-0
[10:52] <topyli> ah there's an option to switch back to the real sanakirja.org
[10:54] <BUGabundo> hi
[10:54] <BUGabundo> I fed ubottu a factoid. it wasn't accepted
[10:54] <BUGabundo> it was " !mainline is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/"
[10:55] <Myrtti> BUGabundo: you have to convince us that that factoid is needed
[10:55] <BUGabundo> hi Myrtti
[10:56] <BUGabundo> ofter users ask for more info on mainline kernel images on +1
[10:56] <topyli> do we want users switching kernels?
[10:56] <topyli> +1 is for testing the release
[10:57] <topyli> grrrrr
[10:58] <BUGabundo> information is never a bad thing
[10:58]  * Myrtti thinks about one third of the factoids are useless
[10:59] <BUGabundo> Myrtti: but make our life easier
[10:59] <BUGabundo> less copy paste
[10:59] <BUGabundo> at least that what I use them for
[11:00] <jpds> YAY!
[11:01] <Myrtti> what is this, bot flip day?
[11:01] <BUGabundo> ehe
[11:01]  * BUGabundo is not to blame
[11:03] <ikonia> BUGabundo: it's very rare I see people asking about mainline info and suggesting people go to PPA's doesn't seem a good deal - more so on development platforms, if they are that capable they know how to get the info 
[11:03] <jpds> Not if they're trying to see if it's a problem in the Ubuntu kernel or the mainline one....
[11:04] <ikonia> jpds: thats very valid, but that doesn't come up that often 
[11:04] <BUGabundo> I guess I'll keep poking cwillu for the link.. thanks and sorry for the noise
[11:04] <ikonia> just make a note of the link ????
[11:05] <Myrtti> I don't understand a thing...
[11:05] <ikonia> I guess I'll just hassle a user as a way of getting my factoid in
[11:05] <ikonia> just book mark it
[11:07] <android> grr... intel in jaunty sucks
[11:07] <Myrtti> sometimes I hate Finnish language
[11:08] <Myrtti> "Automatically reload files when changes are detected on disk" translate that to Finnish >____<
[11:10] <android> rofl
[11:12] <Myrtti> it does not make any sense >___<
[11:13] <ikonia> android: are you on a new phone by any chance ;)
[11:13] <Myrtti> probably not
[11:20] <android> ikonia: no
[11:20] <android> I just happened to see this nick could be dropped... so I grabb ed it :D
[11:21] <Myrtti> android: are you planning to migrate to it?
[11:21] <ikonia> ah
[11:21] <android> Myrtti: considering it... seeing how it feels :d
[11:21] <ikonia> I like juiss01 better
[11:22] <Myrtti> jussi01 has definitely grown on you
[11:22] <android> hehe
[11:22]  * Myrtti shrugs
[11:22] <jussi01> happy?
[11:23] <Myrtti> I'm happy if you're happy, just being vocal on my thoughts, I wouldn't have any problems with adjusting my mental image to android
[11:23] <jussi01> oh and ikonia btw : http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20090415-212514-unboxing_pix.tar.gz
[11:25]  * Myrtti drools
[11:25] <jussi01> hehe
[11:26] <jussi01> Myrtti: and pink is 50¤ cheaper...
[11:26] <Myrtti> jussi01: shut up... I just paid my cc bill and gave 200€ to Duncan, have to wait atleast on the 20th
[11:26] <Myrtti> speaking of which
[11:26]  * Myrtti prods jussi01
[11:27] <Myrtti> YOU, MISTER!
[11:28] <ikonia> downloading....
[11:36] <cristi> hello
[11:37] <cristi> when i will be unbaned?
[11:42] <jussi01> cristi: which channel and by whom were you banned?
[11:44] <cristi> #ubuntu and ikonia was the op and bazhang 
[11:48] <elky> cristi, why would we let you in? all you do is ask how to ruin your system, and gloat about ban dodging
[11:48] <cristi> because i was a fool and now im smart
[11:49] <cristi> can i say sorry?
[11:50] <bazhang> @btlogin
[11:50] <bazhang> :0
[11:50] <Myrtti> @login
[11:50] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[11:50] <cristi> bazhang are you online?
[11:51] <elky_> bazhang, search the nick in the bt, there's a heap of  him ban evading and asking how to ruin computer systems
[11:51] <cristi> oh yes he is right bazhang
[11:51] <elky_> i want to know why we would let someone like that in.
[11:51] <bazhang> elky_, yep, as dingding, cristi, crismusg and several others iirc
[11:51] <cristi> eky_ is right 
[11:51] <bazhang> unable to btlogin right now though
[11:52] <cristi> bazhang:i am not alowed to change my nick 
[11:52] <cristi> ?
[11:52] <bazhang> cristi, you have done so many times and ban evaded, please do not do so again.
[11:52] <popey> @btlogin
[11:52] <cristi> i can asure that i wount do it again
[11:52] <ikonia> nonsense
[11:53] <ikonia> you said that before and we caught you doing it
[11:53] <cristi> when?
[11:53] <bazhang> cristi, how about using other channels then #ubuntu for linux help
[11:53] <ikonia> cristi: using your many other nick names
[11:53] <cristi> what other chanels?
[11:53] <ikonia> cristi: the price of being a known liar means it takes time to prove / gain trust back
[11:54] <ikonia> cristi: read the freenode website, we are not a yellow pages of channels
[11:54] <ikonia> plus I don't feel I'd recommend you to any other channels with your behaviour
[11:54] <cristi> ikonia:please do not interfere in my conversation with bazhang
[11:54] <bazhang> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist cristi search here
[11:54] <cristi> i did
[11:54] <cristi> and every thing is oftopic
[11:54] <ikonia> cristi: no problem, I'll leave the bans I put in place on you as active then
[11:55] <cristi> i asked but nobody answered to my questions
[11:55] <cristi> ikonia:what do yoou mean with that?
[11:55] <bazhang> cristi, if you have trouble interacting with others and staying on topic etc, you may wish to use the ubuntuforums.org for linux help then.
[11:55] <ikonia> exactly what I said, I'll leave the bans I put in place on you as active
[11:56] <bazhang> cristi, you have shown that you are not ready to rejoin #ubuntu at this time.
[11:56] <cristi> ikonia:you are joking because you are so mad on me 
[11:56] <ikonia> no
[11:56] <ikonia> I'm not mad, and I'm not joking
[11:56] <elky_> he doesnt ask for help for things we allow advice on anyway
[11:56] <cristi> ikonia:you are so kinf?
[11:56] <cristi> ikonia:you are so kind?
[11:56] <elky_> we are certainly not going to let people help him damage things
[11:57] <bazhang> cristi, there is nothing else to discuss right now.
[11:57] <cristi> ikonia says that he wil let the bans
[11:57] <ikonia> no, I said I won't remove the bans
[11:57] <ikonia> apologies if I didn't make that clear
[11:58] <bazhang> cristi, there are so many bans that it is not just one person setting them.
[11:58] <cristi> apologies accepted
[11:58] <cristi> so i will never talk on #ubuntu and #kubuntu
[11:58] <cristi> ?
[11:58] <bazhang> cristi, they will remain in place.
[11:58] <cristi> ?
[11:59] <bazhang> cristi, you will not allowed back in; the bans will stay.
[11:59] <cristi> forever?
[11:59] <ikonia> until the people who put the bans in place have confidence you can behave
[12:00] <bazhang> cristi, you have not shown good faith with so much dishonesty and ban evasion.
[12:00] <cristi> ikonia:i want to get your confidence 
[12:00] <bazhang> cristi, there is #ubuntu-md for moldavian help
[12:01] <cristi> you belive i can get help with only five members?
[12:01] <ikonia> cristi: I'm sorry to be harsh but that is the price you have to pay because of your persistant unacceptable behaviour
[12:01] <ikonia> cristi: maybe the lack of help you can get will make you consider how you behave in future 
[12:02] <cristi> ok what is my unacceptable behaviour right now in this second?
[12:02] <bazhang> cristi, insisting that the bans be lifted.
[12:02] <elky> cristi, the inability to accept consequences.
[12:03] <bazhang> cristi, please do so helping in your loco channel and build up trust.
[12:03] <cristi> you think i cant accept ok watch me
[12:03] <elky_> lol
[12:04] <ikonia> yeah, that will show me
[12:04] <ikonia> storming off in a tantrum
[12:04] <bazhang> crisis averted in -ru
[12:04] <ikonia> what was going on in -ru ?
[12:04] <elky_> bazhang, they all kissed and made up?
[12:04] <bazhang> long absent founder (approx 2 years) tried to take over and remove all those who had built it back up from trollpit
[12:05] <ikonia> whoa
[12:05] <elky_> bazhang, the founder? who is that?
[12:05] <bazhang> elky_, not so much, they did reverse the tables and get him ousted though
[12:06] <bazhang> elky_, it was three : skyrider, aim1159 and garfeild
[12:06] <elky_> bazhang, i've discussed the revolting behaviour with aim previously, a few months after the first attack on u-w
[12:06] <Myrtti> those are/were the founders?
[12:06] <bazhang> the first two tried to get rid of the 3rd without any discussion
[12:07] <bazhang> and then a4tech (who put in ubottu clone --ubuntuhelp) to stabilize/modernize the channel
[12:12] <Myrtti> intresting read at #ubuntu-irc
[12:16] <ikonia> Myrtti: which part ?
[12:17] <Myrtti> /last aim1159
[12:18] <ikonia> bazhang: looks like you've made a real big impact on -ru 
[12:18] <bazhang> ikonia, safe to remove *my* cristi bans? I think p i c i 's one is pretty foolproof
[12:18] <ikonia> bazhang: I was just going through mine too, the pici master ban got her covered
[12:19] <bazhang> ikonia, okay thanks
[12:19] <jussi01> @btlogin
[12:19] <ikonia> oh dear
[12:19] <jussi01> hrm... WOnder whats goin gon there
[12:19] <ikonia> an error has occured, can you not read ?
[12:20] <jussi01> tsimpson: you around?
[12:20] <bazhang> hehe
[12:20] <jussi01> /arn ikonia evil...
[12:20] <jussi01> :P
[12:20] <ikonia> ;)
[12:20] <popey> jussi01: thanks for posting your xp key btw ;)
[12:20] <topyli> jussi01: please contact the bot's administrator
[12:20] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[12:20] <ikonia> vorian has decloaked, attak !
[12:21] <ikonia> attack
[12:21] <jussi01> popey: ...
[12:21] <stevie> :o
[12:21] <popey> 15042009149.jpg
[12:21] <jussi01> popey: the good thing is I have like 5 of them from different pc's and still dont use any of them...
[12:21] <popey> BY2CY-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX...
[12:22] <popey> :)
[12:22] <jussi01> popey: I know 
[12:22] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[12:22] <popey> :)
[12:22]  * ikonia torrents the key
[12:22] <jussi01> popey: thanks for making sure everyone knows now...
[12:22] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[12:22] <ikonia> falling off chair 
[12:22] <popey> oh I did better than that
[12:22] <popey> I mirroroed it
[12:22] <ikonia> attention emma/other log readers ^^^ jussi01's key 
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[12:23] <Myrtti> you're mean
[12:24]  * ikonia apologises
[12:24] <jussi01> meh... if they have nt got it by now, its gone
[12:24]  * ikonia mirrors it
[12:24] <ikonia> http://ikoniamirror.com/jussi-key.jpg
[12:25] <ikonia> http://ikoniamirror.com/jussi-naked-dancing.jpg
[12:25] <ikonia> hands up - who looked
[12:25] <jussi01> ikonia: did you have to post that one? :P
[12:25] <jussi01> rofl
[12:25] <ikonia> I see many finish ip's hitting the web server now
[12:26] <ikonia> Myrtti: topyli .....is that you ..... ;)
[12:26] <elky> aww i was hoping the naked dancing one existed
[12:26]  * elky pouts off
[12:26] <topyli> i think Myrtti took those pics
[12:26] <jussi01> elky: §!!
[12:26]  * ikonia gets out gimp
[12:27] <jussi01> oh dear...
[12:27] <ikonia> elky: I'm sure something can be arranged
[12:27] <ikonia> give me 15 minutes
[12:27] <jussi01> and this is supposed to be the ops channel...
[12:27] <ikonia> sorry sorry 
[12:27] <jussi01> we really need an -ops-chat channel...
[12:27] <ikonia> guilty - my faul
[12:27] <ikonia> fault, I started it
[12:28] <elky> doesnt need to be part of the u namespace at all
[12:29] <Myrtti> ##paddedroom-for-ops-of-ubuntu
[12:29] <jussi01> elky: well... get creating then ;)
[12:29] <Myrtti> :-P
[12:29] <jussi01> :P
[12:29] <elky> jussi01, i already have one, and appropriately named too
[12:29] <elky> just gotta set up the invite list :P
[12:30] <jussi01> :D
[12:30] <elky_> of course, bip wants to lag me
[12:31] <ikonia> I see cristi still hasn't grasped the not changing nick thing
[12:32] <topyli> hmm what would be the irc equivalent for alt.sysadmin.recovery?
[12:33] <ikonia> topyli: what OS ?
[12:33] <topyli> a.s.r was open for all
[12:33] <ikonia> oh, no idea then
[12:33] <topyli> not a very technical group after all :)
[12:35] <topyli> http://www.infonet.ee/~sbernard/asr/
[12:36] <topyli> don't they teach history at school anymore?
[12:37] <elky_> aww, nobody's looking at their PMs
[13:43] <Pici> How pleasant.
[13:43] <Pici> ohno ubottu
[13:44] <ikonia> ha ha
[13:45] <elky_> magic button pressed
[13:48] <ikonia> welcome back bot
[14:03] <bazhang> @login
[14:03] <bazhang> @btlogin
[14:11] <elky> do we have a factoid for the botkeepers? this b0rkenness is annoying
[14:37] <ikonia> !fix_the_bot_
[14:37] <bazhang> @bansearch bolt_
[14:37] <Myrtti> !cloak-#ubuntu-irc to get any kind of cloak (@ubuntu/member/nick or any other kind) you first need to set up your nickname as detailed in this FAQ: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - you MUST set an email address, AND group an alternate nick. For Ubuntu member cloaks, provide your launchpad page on this channel and wait patiently, for unaffiliated ones, ask in #freenode.
[14:37] <Myrtti> doh
[14:37] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:37] <Myrtti> !cloak-#ubuntu-irc is <reply> to get any kind of cloak (@ubuntu/member/nick or any other kind) you first need to set up your nickname as detailed in this FAQ: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - you MUST set an email address, AND group an alternate nick. For Ubuntu member cloaks, provide your launchpad page on this channel and wait patiently, for unaffiliated ones, ask in #freenode.
[14:40] <Myrtti> I think that's nice to have
[14:45] <elky_> !cloak-#ubuntu-ops is <reply> to get any kind of cloak (@ubuntu/member/nick or any other kind) you first need to set up your nickname as detailed in this FAQ: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - you MUST set an email address, AND group an alternate nick. For Ubuntu member cloaks, provide your launchpad page in #ubuntu-irc and wait patiently, for unaffiliated ones, ask in #freenode.
[14:45] <elky_> also nice to have :)
[14:46] <bazhang> bolt_ seems familiar
[14:46] <elky_> hit by floodbot a few times
[14:47] <Myrtti> bazhang: where?
[14:47] <bazhang> Myrtti, in #k, though seem to remember him being difficult in #ubuntu
[14:47] <ikonia> bazhang: he's a little bit of a pain because he's impatient and doesn't actually know how to deal with anything
[14:48] <ikonia> he tells a few white lies about things to get helps, eg: he was running 9.04 the other day but was pretending to run 8.10 and then upgraded to 9.04 in about 25 seconds, when in reality he was running 9.04 from day one
[14:48] <bazhang> ikonia, was this the pc remote 'i want a solution now' guy?
[14:48] <ikonia> yeah
[14:48] <ikonia> he had a hard time yesterday as some jerk kept telling him to init 6 to fix his flash problem
[14:48] <bazhang> ah right. he asked if anyone knew how to operate a polaroid just now in #k
[14:48] <ikonia> I'm not sure how genuine his problems are as they seem to change to make sure you can't fix it
[14:49] <bazhang> adittya iirc then histo issue
[14:49] <bazhang> figured out why histo was so angry yesterday
[14:49] <ikonia> thats it
[14:49] <bazhang> 'tea party'
[14:49] <elky> ?
[14:50] <bazhang> fringe political movement
[14:50] <elky> and we're supposed to know this how?
[14:50] <bazhang> he mentioned he was going to come back after the 'tea party'
[14:50] <elky> eh?
[14:50] <bazhang> april 15 is tax day in US
[14:51] <bazhang> boston tea party (us history)
[14:51] <elky> ooh, boston tea party
[14:51] <bazhang> but loonytoons this time around
[14:51] <Myrtti> isn't he the guy who keeps asking the same question again and again
[14:51] <bazhang> bolt_ yeah
[14:51] <elky> that's great, but i'm not USian
[14:52] <bazhang> anyway just wanted to clear up why histo was so overboard yesterday
[14:52] <elky_> i dont have the context really, why is this even relevent
[14:53] <ikonia> bazhang: check my BT comment on him - it's very nice
[14:53] <bazhang> @btlogin
[14:53] <ikonia> ahh
[14:53] <ikonia> ok, maybe not
[14:53] <bazhang> urgh
[14:54] <bazhang> may have to wait til that is fixed to clear out bans, dont want to fly blind wrt removing old bans
[14:54] <elky_> it's still up. just use any key from your cache
[14:55] <elky_> or it was...
[14:55] <elky_> the site is fine, just the bot is flaky
[14:58] <bazhang> * [topsyandpip56] (n=Jack@host86-142-154-183.range86-142.btcentralplus.com): Jack Herron
[14:58] <bazhang> also familiar
[14:59] <ikonia> he's telling lies about his issue, I'm sure of it
[15:00] <bazhang> the symptoms seem familiar to another user, almost dead on
[15:00]  * LjL points at ikonia and laughs
[15:01] <ikonia> LjL: ?
[15:01] <LjL> [17:00:27] <FloodBot3> ikonia: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:01] <ikonia> the price of working with multiple users
[15:01] <bazhang> heh
[15:02] <LjL> careful, if you do it too many times, you'll get an entry on the bantracker! :P then we'll have to review your situation
[15:02] <bazhang> I dont know anything about bantracker
[15:02] <ikonia> what
[15:02] <ikonia> do
[15:02] <ikonia> you
[15:02] <ikonia> mean
[15:02] <ikonia> why
[15:02] <ikonia> would
[15:02] <ikonia> I
[15:02] <ikonia> get
[15:03] <ikonia> and
[15:03] <elky_> no floodbots here, dear
[15:03] <ikonia> got away with it
[15:03] <bazhang> hehe
[15:03] <bazhang> @mark ik ..
[15:03] <ikonia> ....yeah, thanks
[15:04] <ikonia> must dash to get my windscreen fixed
[15:04] <elky_> the desperados will see it the logs of this channel
[15:04] <ikonia> and before ljl mark's me
[15:04] <LjL> @mаrk #ubuntu-ops ikonia Probably a troll, the gratuitous Enter usage seemed intentinoal
[15:04] <LjL> ikonia: too late :(
[15:04] <ikonia> too late
[15:04] <ikonia> it wasn't me, it was my brother pressing enter
[15:04] <bazhang> haha
[15:04] <ikonia> must dash anyway, laters guys
[15:04] <LjL> (and by the way - no, that wasn't a real @mark)
[15:05] <elky_> unicode @?
[15:05] <bazhang> ah vmware fusion
[15:06] <LjL> Pricey, around?
[15:06] <LjL> elky_: unicode "a"
[15:07] <LjL> elky_: cyrillic, specifically
[15:07] <elky_> i figured it'd be unicode somewhere
[15:07] <elky_> the bestest way to get the bot to lart dennis
[15:08] <LjL> Pricey: i've got mail that involves me from the irc-council address, i'll try not to read it (well, i've read enough of it to see that it involves me), but please cross me off that list as it's clearly a conflict of interests
[15:08] <bazhang> @login
[15:08] <LjL> (or anyone else who has moderator access to the list currently)
[15:08] <elky_> i think that's pricey, pricey and pricey
[15:18] <LjL> actually i think you should inform mteck that i've read his email - due to technical issues or something - in the first place. it's fair for him to know. i'd rather someone else told him though.
[15:20] <LjL> !uninstall
[15:20] <LjL> is this a good idea?
[15:20] <LjL> i think i'd rather alias it to !apt-get than have some random .biz link
[15:26] <jussi01> what the heck is up with that bot rtoday :/
[15:26] <LjL> jussi01: the process is not running?
[15:29] <elky_> i've started it twice already
[15:30] <LjL> nevertheless it's not running
[15:30] <elky_> i'm going to guess it's not talking to the database properly, given it's inability to see the bt stuff
[15:31] <LjL> elky_, what's it doing with the bt?
 bansearch cristi
 An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[15:31] <LjL> uhm
[15:32] <LjL> db problem does seem likely...
[15:32] <LjL> elky_: (anyway, default to "yes, cristi should be banned" :P)
[15:32] <elky_> yea, i know, i was just trying to see where
[15:36]  * jpds blames the DC or whatever it's in.
[15:36]  * genii makes more coffee
[15:39]  * Myrtti is having stomach pains, hypocondriacly assumes ulcers, declines all coffee
[15:40] <genii> Myrtti: Tea for you then
[15:40] <Myrtti> I'm having yoghurt only today...
[15:41] <Myrtti> atleast the pain with cold sweat hasn't come yet
[15:41] <genii> Myrtti: If that starts up, you should go immediately for medical help
[15:43] <Myrtti> yup
[15:52] <Myrtti> and the yoghurt does seem to help
[15:56] <bazhang> balzac, hi
[15:58] <bazhang> balzac, did you have an issue?
[15:59] <Pici> I thought you removed that?
[16:00] <LjL> Pici: me? no, i set it yesterday before going to bed since he kept talking to himself.
[16:01] <Pici> LjL: I know. I thought you had removed it already though. nevermind if you didn't though.
[16:05] <balzac> hi bazhang 
[16:05] <bazhang> balzac, how may we help you
[16:05] <balzac> I was waiting for LjL to discuss with a colleague about letting me back into #ubuntu
[16:05] <bazhang> balzac, and you are banned there?
[16:05] <LjL> balzac, i told you already that i'm out of the issue. my stance is that i will not unban you.
[16:06] <LjL> so feel free to discuss it with other ops, follow the appeal procedure, or talk to the community council as you said you would - but i won't be invovled.
[16:06] <balzac> ok, LjL is leaving it for another op to decide
[16:06] <LjL> yes.
[16:06] <balzac> thanks, I think that was a reasonable choice
[16:07] <LjL> well i already said that yesterday half a dozen of times, but.
[16:08] <balzac> LjL: you shouldn't have a "stance" though. I understand that you won't unban me, but if your colleagues think they're going against a position you're holding, it's less likely to be resolved by them.
[16:08] <LjL> too bad.
[16:08] <bazhang> balzac, nope
[16:08] <balzac> Once you let it go, it's nothing to worry about for you.
[16:09] <bazhang> balzac, you are banned there?
[16:09] <balzac> This is really funny
[16:09] <balzac> yes
[16:09] <bazhang> balzac, to whom are you speaking
[16:09] <balzac> And I have ubuntu on a home computer, a work computer and my development server
[16:10] <balzac> I am pretty well committed as an IT professional to using ubuntu
[16:10] <balzac> bazhang: you, mainly
[16:10] <bazhang> balzac, then please prepend any answers with my nick
[16:10] <balzac> I figured three weeks (or however long it was) was sufficient time to wait after having been banned
[16:11] <balzac> bazhang: alright
[16:11] <balzac> balzac: I question the wisdom of the original ban as well, but I'm not really interested in the whole issue.
[16:12] <balzac> I'm 33, not a teenager.
[16:12] <bazhang> balzac, and why precisely were you banned
[16:12] <balzac> bazhang: that question is better asked of the op who banned me.
[16:13] <balzac> bazhang: I don't want to try to imagine why because I don't want to argue about it
[16:13] <balzac> bazhang: I'm ready for more formal bureaucratic processes if I must initiate them
[16:14] <balzac> bazhang: irc is somewhat informal and I like it that way, but I don't want to be treated like a teenager on a reality TV show
[16:15] <balzac> bazhang: an op asked me to read the CoC, and to leave the channel while I read it. 
[16:15] <bazhang> balzac, #ubuntu is not informal, but rather stricter than most channels.
[16:15] <balzac> bazhang: I did that, I scanned it, reading the headings of paragraphs, scanning the contents
[16:15] <LjL> no.
[16:15] <LjL> you were asked to read the contents of the !etiquette factoid.
[16:15] <bazhang> balzac, that is why we have a offtopic channel
[16:15] <LjL> you took 1 minute 35 seconds to do that.
[16:15] <LjL> apparently.
[16:16] <balzac> LjL: are you or aren't you letting this go?
[16:16] <balzac> I didn't mention your name because I didn't want to make it necessary for you to begin again
[16:16] <balzac> LjL: I'm trying to get past you, not to win an argument
[16:17] <bazhang> balzac, this channel is logged. we all can read what happened here earlier.
[16:17] <balzac> sure, if you think it's really worthwhile
[16:17] <LjL> balzac: i won't go over lies.
[16:17] <LjL> if you lie to other operators about what happened, i'll disprove your lies.
[16:17] <balzac> actually, I was looking at the log last night, looking for the things I wrote
[16:17] <bazhang> balzac, did you want to discuss rationally, or go another route here.
[16:18] <balzac> bazhang: I was not able to find the log, so I'm just recalling from memory
[16:18] <balzac> bazhang: I found where the log was supposed to be
[16:18] <bazhang> balzac, no worries I have eidetic memory
[16:19] <balzac> bazhang: I'll seek the log file
[16:22] <balzac> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/04/16/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[16:23] <balzac> bazhang: before I was devoiced, I wanted to say to LjL that I don't presume to know someone based on IRC
[16:24] <balzac> as far as I'm concerned, we've been acquainted for the first time yesterday
[16:24] <Pici> And what does that have to do with anything?
[16:24] <balzac> on the basis of our given names, which is different from irc with pseudonyms
[16:25] <balzac> well, all that was said and done under the IRC nicks can be considered less formal and less important than what happens afterward
[16:25] <LjL> not at all.
[16:25] <Myrtti> can be considered is the key
[16:25] <paulgaskin> I was pleased to meet Lorenzo yesterday, in spite of the situation
[16:25]  * Myrtti considers her nickname in most cases more formal than her real one
[16:25] <paulgaskin> And I take career and professionalism seriously
[16:25] <Pici> I really don't see what this has to do with your ban.
[16:25] <LjL> there is a designated Real Name field in people's /whois, and in my case it contains - surprisingly - my real name. not so in yours.
[16:26] <Pici> Besides trying (and apparrently succeeding) to take the conversation off topic.
[16:26] <paulgaskin> LjL: I never filled out my full freenode profile, but I don't hide my identity either.
[16:26] <bazhang> uhh he left
[16:26] <Pici> paulgaskin: Please stop. This is not a discussion channel.
[16:27] <paulgaskin> please lift my ban, because I need that 0-day support from the channel
[16:27] <bazhang> paulgaskin, no idea why you were banned? this is not a chat channel
[16:27] <paulgaskin> bazhang: LjL has left, taking pieces of the puzzle with him
[16:28] <bazhang> paulgaskin, #ubuntu is formal and has certain rules and guidelines
[16:28] <paulgaskin> bazhang: I'll be happy to observe those formalities
[16:28] <Pici> paulgaskin: We don't ban people for no reason.  If you don't know why you were banned then perhaps you should think about your actions and come up with a reason.
[16:28] <bazhang> paulgaskin, you seem not to want to be bothered with them
[16:29] <paulgaskin> I waited a while before asking again for the ban to be lifted. I understand that IRC Operators have a job to do and I don't argue against that role.
[16:29] <paulgaskin> I've only ever claimed to be a little bit misunderstood, not that I am misunderstanding #ubuntu or its rules.
[16:30] <topyli> @login
[16:30] <bazhang> paulgaskin, you know why you were banned?
[16:31] <paulgaskin> bazhang: yes, some OPs found me disagreeable and chose to apply the letter of the law to me
[16:31] <paulgaskin> I'm not trying to change the culture of IRC. I've been using IRC for many years.
[16:31] <bazhang> paulgaskin, that is not really an answer
[16:32] <paulgaskin> bazhang: do *you* know why I was banned?
[16:32] <paulgaskin> I should be asking you, really.
[16:32] <bazhang> paulgaskin, no, you want to be let back into #ubuntu.
[16:33] <bazhang> paulgaskin, without some recognition of why you were banned, this wont move forward
[16:33] <paulgaskin> I do
[16:33] <paulgaskin> wait, you're asking me to tell you what I'm accused of?
[16:33] <bazhang> a ban is not an accusation.
[16:34] <paulgaskin> it is based on the idea that I broke a rule - weeks ago
[16:35] <paulgaskin> bazhang: I'm not in denial that I can be disagreeable
[16:35] <bazhang> paulgaskin, and no recollection on your part what that was?
[16:35] <paulgaskin> I have recollection, but I don't wish to do your job, because I suspect what I say may be used against me
[16:35] <paulgaskin> Let me cite an example of something
[16:36] <paulgaskin> [01:36] <LjL> !coc
[16:36] <paulgaskin> [16:36] <paulgaskin> [01:36] <LjL> balzac: i will ask you to come back when you have very, very carefully read
[16:36] <paulgaskin> [01:37] <LjL> balzac: please leave the channel while you read it all, as we prefer people not to idle here.
[16:36] <paulgaskin> [01:39] <balzac> alright, I'm a bit of a speed-reader
[16:37] <paulgaskin> [01:40] <balzac> that's some very basic and familiar stuff
[16:37] <paulgaskin> [01:40] <Seeker`> 1 min 35 seconds to read all of that?
[16:37] <bazhang> paulgaskin, so no idea then.
[16:37] <paulgaskin> ok, so this is why I feel like I've been treated like a teenager on a reality show
[16:37] <paulgaskin> bazhang: I'm just wondering if this is going to end, or do I have to initiate formal bureaucratic processes
[16:38] <paulgaskin> I really like Ubuntu and I admire Mark Shuttleworth
[16:38] <paulgaskin> I don't think this pettiness is reflective of his work
[16:38] <bazhang> paulgaskin, not really the point though.
[16:39] <paulgaskin> so I think if I formally engage, I'll be treated like an IT professional who is 33, not a 16 yr old living at mom's house who socializes in Ubuntu
[16:39] <bazhang> paulgaskin, you seem to want an apology and a ban lifted.
[16:39] <paulgaskin> Actually, I gave an apology, but it won't show in the logs because LjL had already devoiced me
[16:39] <paulgaskin> I don't want to receive an apology, I don't make an issue out of things like that 
[16:40] <bazhang> paulgaskin, you will need to read the !etiquette factoid
[16:40] <paulgaskin> this is IRC
[16:40] <paulgaskin> bazhang: suppose I tell you I already read it
[16:40] <paulgaskin> will you quiz me?
[16:40] <bazhang> paulgaskin, you are trying to be unpleasant now?
[16:40] <paulgaskin> suppose I tell you I have an intuitive knowledge of etiquette and I choose not to read it
[16:41] <Tm_T> paulgaskin: that doesn't help you or me then
[16:41] <paulgaskin> no, do you find me unpleasant, and do you have specific rules for handling things you find unpleasant?
[16:41] <paulgaskin> bazhang: here's the bottom line
[16:41] <paulgaskin> it's called "growing pains"
[16:41] <bazhang> paulgaskin, you are not being cooperative to say the least
[16:42] <paulgaskin> your rules seem to be geared towards handling teenagers
[16:42] <paulgaskin> I'm over 30
[16:42] <paulgaskin> I don't want to find another distro
[16:42] <bazhang> that is really neither here nor there
[16:42] <Tm_T> paulgaskin: unfortunately the age doesn't matter
[16:42] <paulgaskin> I'm not convinced that Ubuntu is for kids only
[16:42] <paulgaskin> it does matter
[16:43] <Tm_T> how?
[16:43] <paulgaskin> because with age comes life experience
[16:43] <bazhang> paulgaskin> your rules seem to be geared towards handling teenagers
[16:43] <paulgaskin> bazhang: I meant that
[16:43] <paulgaskin> there are lots of teens on IRC
[16:43] <bazhang> paulgaskin, well those are the rules.
[16:44] <paulgaskin> but there should be an adult in the room to recognize another adult and then exempt them from the rules which are meant to keep children on track
[16:44] <paulgaskin> bazhang: then I'll have to be constructively critical of your rules
[16:44] <bazhang> paulgaskin, and without a satisfactory resolution here, your ban wont be lifted.
[16:44] <paulgaskin> because asking me to read a paper on etiquette is rather silly
[16:44] <bazhang> hmm
[16:45] <bazhang> that is rather uncooperative imo
[16:45] <paulgaskin> and telling me a 1:35 wasn't enough time to comprehend the CoC was silly as well
[16:45] <paulgaskin> non-compliant is the word
[16:45] <Tm_T> paulgaskin: your age in irc shown by your actions, numbers doesn't matter
[16:45] <paulgaskin> cooperation is not the same as compliance
[16:45] <bazhang> paulgaskin, this does not seem to be going well.
[16:45] <paulgaskin> Tm_T: this is very amusing
[16:46] <paulgaskin> bazhang: it's kind of entertaining to me
[16:46] <Tm_T> paulgaskin: life is
[16:46] <paulgaskin> I have no hard feelings towards any of you
[16:46] <bazhang> paulgaskin,  I would like to have a rational discussion but you want to go into a meta-discussion about the rules.
[16:46] <paulgaskin> I'm just questioning the wisdom of trying to apply a children's bureaucratic code to an adult
[16:47] <bazhang> paulgaskin, well this is not the time for that.
[16:47] <paulgaskin> Somehow, I don't think this is how the CoC and the Etiquette FAQ were meant to be used
[16:47] <paulgaskin> Those are resources which exist to inform me
[16:47] <paulgaskin> Not to be assigned to me as homework
[16:48] <bazhang> if you ever chose to read them and acknowledge them
[16:48] <bazhang> which is the central issue here.
[16:49] <paulgaskin> It's a good thing I know better than to judge Canonical and the grown-ups who work there based on the behavior of IRC OPs, which has always been petty authoritarianism on every single network, in almost every channel I've seen over the years.
[16:49] <bazhang> paging m n e p t o k 
[16:50] <paulgaskin> bazhang: it's not those resources you want me to acknowledge, it's your authority
[16:50] <bazhang> paulgaskin, okay. well your refusal to read and acknowledge the rules is a sticking point here frankly.
[16:50] <paulgaskin> It's amusing and engaging. Maybe if I were an angst-ridden teenager, your tuteledge would help me grow up.
[16:50] <paulgaskin> but I'm an adult
[16:51] <bazhang> right
[16:51] <paulgaskin> Now I've spent way too much time on this
[16:51] <bazhang> okay.
[16:51] <paulgaskin> I've been working to get this ban lifted for hours
[16:51] <paulgaskin> My employer has seen, a client has seen.
[16:51] <bazhang> come back when you wish to have a rational discussion then.
[16:52] <paulgaskin> I feel I've reached a dead end here. I may be back, but I think I'll try to escalate this so I can speak to adults.
[16:52] <paulgaskin> people on the pay-roll
[16:52] <bazhang> right.
[16:52]  * Myrtti wonders who those people might be
[16:52] <jdong> absolutely. People who are paid are more mature.
[16:52] <bazhang> take care and good luck with that then paulgaskin 
[16:53] <paulgaskin> jdong: people who are paid have a personal financial interest in business getting done
[16:53] <paulgaskin> not "working it out" incessantly for its own sake
[16:53] <paulgaskin> ok, now I'm done
[16:53] <jdong> funny how that's not the way the Ubuntu community governance model works.
[16:53] <bazhang> bye
[16:53] <paulgaskin> thanks, it was a pleasant discussion, although not very productive for me
[16:53] <paulgaskin> Now I'll save my log, first if you don't mind.
[16:54] <jdong> the log is saved publicly for everyone.
[16:54] <paulgaskin> yeah, but I may want to use it sooner than tomorrow
[16:54] <bazhang> !1984
[16:54] <bazhang> aww
[16:54] <bazhang> !logs
[16:54] <Myrtti> paulgaskin: the logs are published every hour
[16:54] <jdong> alright then. Hopefully you'll also take a moment to understand the Ubuntu governance structure
[16:54] <Myrtti> not only daily
[16:55] <paulgaskin> ubuntu and canonical are linked
[16:55] <jdong> paulgaskin: in a very defined way.
[16:55] <paulgaskin> canonical has an interest in the effectiveness of ubuntu governance
[16:55] <Myrtti> to certain extent
[16:55] <jdong> paulgaskin: community issues are dealt with by the Community Council appointed for this purpose.
[16:55] <jdong> and technical issues are dealt with by the Technical Board.
[16:56] <paulgaskin> One of these days I may have a support license, but not yet
[16:56] <bazhang> \o/
[16:56] <paulgaskin> anyway, my issues tend to be fresh because the ones which aren't so fresh are well-documented. I read documentation before asking for help in the channel.
[16:57] <Myrtti> if you want 0-day support, you're encouraged to pay Canonical actual real world currency. Ubuntu IRC channels do not represent such support venue, and if they seem to you to be such, then that image is false, as nobody promises it to provide such services or have any measurable quality
[16:57] <topyli> what is going on?
[16:57] <topyli> weird
[16:57] <paulgaskin> I think the IRC channel will have more support for officially unsupported things
[16:58]  * Myrtti has no idea
[16:58] <paulgaskin> so, no ban lifting...
[16:58] <LjL> joe-mac: spam - who from, what about?
[16:58] <bazhang> joe-mac, how may we help you
[16:58] <joe-mac> hey fyi guys i got a couple pieces of spam from KiteWhamoBall
[16:58] <bazhang> aha
[16:59] <joe-mac> one said Hello. If you have recently lost a loved one or expect to lose a loved one very soon you should come check out #Budget-Casket. We are the leader in budget caskets for deceased loved ones that won't break the bank. We offer quality handmade caskets in oak, pine, and other quality woods at an affordable price. So come to #Budget-Casket for more info.
[16:59] <joe-mac> next one said As a man who wears bras every day, I think all men should wear bras daily. I recommend Victoria's Secret bras to wear as they are very comfortable and attractive. My favorite is the IPEX Demi Bra, the Very Sexy Push Up Bra, and the Biofit Bra. Victoria's Secret makes good bras for not just women, but men too. Trust me, I wear Victoria's Secret bras all the time and they never get old.
[16:59] <joe-mac> i actually kinda like #2, it livened up my day
[16:59] <bazhang> bizarre
[16:59] <joe-mac> i went to victoria's secret.com and bought one, the power of kitewhamoball compels me
[17:00] <LjL> joe-mac: the bra spam is known - has happened before
[17:00] <LjL> i've reported it to freenode staff
[17:00] <LjL> joe-mac: thanks
[17:00] <joe-mac> k cool, see ya
[17:01] <jdong> I thought a budget casket was for Australian parakeets....
[17:01] <jdong> meh close enough.
[17:02] <bazhang> paulgaskin, if there is nothing else
[17:03] <paulgaskin> irssi's logfile function isn't very well documented
[17:03] <paulgaskin> I'll get it tomorrow
[17:03] <paulgaskin> bye!
[17:03] <bazhang> !jding
[17:04] <LjL> ok, back to business
[17:04] <bazhang> hehe
[17:04] <LjL> please look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Workstation?action=subscribe
[17:04] <LjL> err no
[17:04] <bazhang> was waiting for that
[17:04] <LjL> strip the "action subscribe" part
[17:04] <LjL> unless you want to subscribe to it, at least
[17:05] <LjL> specifically, follow the link to HackBuntu and see who "made" it.
[17:05] <Myrtti> lolwhut
[17:06] <bazhang> panarchy?
[17:06] <LjL> bazhang: yepper
[17:06] <bazhang> hehe
[17:06] <LjL> so
[17:06] <LjL> i'm flagging the HackBuntu page for removal, reverting the rest
[17:06] <LjL> and everything else i can find
[17:06] <LjL> i think the irc council might contact the wiki team about it since we know about panarchy
[17:06] <bazhang> @login
[17:07] <bazhang> @btlogin
[17:07] <LjL> i've told #ubuntu-doc about that specific page
[17:07] <bazhang> w00t!
[17:10] <bazhang> whoa balzac has bt entries a mile long (dont_taze_me_bro et al)
[17:14] <Myrtti> scary
[17:15] <bazhang> sGary
[17:15] <Pici> oho
[17:15] <Gary> hehe
[17:16] <bazhang> !gary
[17:16] <bazhang> :0
[17:16]  * LjL is not afraid
[17:16] <Pici> You will be... you will be...
[17:16] <Gary> I am
[17:16] <LjL> i will not.
[17:19]  * Gary shows LjL pictures of him
[17:19] <Gary> sure?
[17:19] <LjL> good point
[17:19] <LjL> at least you are not mneptok though
[17:19] <Gary> that is very true
[17:21]  * Myrtti thinks Gary is cute
[17:21] <Myrtti> u fail in scaring tactics
[17:21] <jussi01> !u
[17:21] <jussi01> :P
[17:22] <Gary> n e 1 here want 2 cyber?   /me hides
[17:22] <Pici> !coc-jbj
[17:22] <jussi01> hehehhe
[17:22] <Myrtti> !no\ u-#ubuntu-offtopic | jussi01 
[17:22] <Gary> oh goodness, it took too long for me to type that
[17:29] <genii> bazhang: I just got back.... this guy is randomly PMing ppl and then being ignorant or so?
[18:09]  * Myrtti huggles vorian
[18:10] <heHATEme> :o
[18:13] <LjL> !nickspam | staff
[18:13] <stevie> pfft
[18:13] <stevie> sorry for ruining your day LjL :P
[18:22] <jdong> please tell me you've linked steve-o too :)
[18:37] <LjL> SportChick: er?
[18:38] <SportChick> LjL: huhn?
[18:38] <Pici> wha?
[18:38] <LjL> SportChick: you ctcp versioned me
[18:38] <SportChick> LjL: you were in a channel
[18:38] <SportChick> ;)
[18:38] <LjL> SportChick: ah. oh. i see.
[18:39] <LjL> time to part, since what had to be done has been done :)
[18:43] <SportChick> yep
[18:44] <LjL> (and as i told other staffers who were puzzled about it - check #fn for *why* i was in there to begin with :P)
[18:50] <Seeker`> o/
[18:54] <Pici> Its amazing how excited people get over the RC
[18:57] <Seeker`> OMG THERE IS AN RC
[19:01] <LjL> can i upgrade to it from hardy?
[19:03] <jpds> LjL: Yes.
[19:03] <LjL> !lies
[19:03] <jpds> In /theory/.
[19:04] <eagles0513875> hey guys i was banned till jaunty and i was wondering if i could get unbanned so i can start getting back into bug fixing
[19:13] <jussi01> eagles0513875: is jaunty here yet?
[19:13] <eagles0513875> almost
[19:13] <eagles0513875> any chance to get unbanned early
[19:13] <jussi01> well theres your answer...
[19:14] <jussi01> eagles0513875: no, its only a week or so, just come back then ;)
[19:14] <eagles0513875> :( 
[19:14] <Pici> eagles0513875: We need to discuss the ban with the person that banned you anyway, and they are not around right this moment anyway.
[19:14] <eagles0513875> cant sign up for the bug squad :( 
[19:14] <eagles0513875> ok Pici
[19:15] <eagles0513875> guess i can help out the bug squad without signing up at the moment
[19:15] <eagles0513875> i shall vacate the room
[19:15] <Pici> What does the bug squad have to do with IRC?
[19:15] <jpds> #ubuntu-bugs I guess.
[19:19] <jussi01> weird
[19:19] <Pici> Its hobbsee's ban irrc
[19:19] <Pici> iirc
[19:20] <LjL> yes
[19:21] <jussi01> yep it is
[19:22] <Pici> @btlogin
[19:22] <Pici> @login
[19:26] <jussi01> @btlogin
[19:26] <jussi01> oh good, thats working again
[19:34] <jpds> Seriously, can you please set it up so that you can do all the @login and @btlogin stuff in private?
[19:37] <jussi01> jpds: it should work that way...
[19:37] <jpds> It doesn't.
[19:38] <genii> I think you can't always re-use an ubottu window for the login, you need sometimes to /msg ubotu and THEN do it there
[19:48] <jussi01> jpds: it works for me....
[19:50] <jussi01> banana yoghurt ftw!
[19:51] <jussi01> !jussi01
[19:54] <Seeker`> !seeker
[20:22]  * Myrtti has /alias /msg -freenode ubottu @login;/msg -freenode ubottu @btlogin
[20:22] <Myrtti> bah
[20:23]  * Myrtti has /alias login /msg -freenode ubottu @login;/msg -freenode ubottu @btlogin
[21:07] <genii> Is it #hardware or ##hardware  ?
[21:07] <Seeker`> genii: try both?
[21:07] <genii> Heh, will do. Thought someone offhane knew
[21:07] <genii> *offhand
[21:08] <tsimpson> -ChanServ- Mode lock  : +imnstPf ##hardware
[21:08] <tsimpson> so #hardware forwards to ##hardware
[21:08] <genii> OK, there now
[21:13] <Pricey> LjL: sorry about that and thanks, i've unsubscribed you
[21:19] <tsimpson> jussi01: the '/msg ubottu login' stuff only works because you have a hostmask registered with the bot, so you don't actually need to 'login'. for others the bot will only "see" the command sent in a channel (because supybot sucks in ways that make little children cry)
[21:37]  * LjL should keep a Firefox open to check if sites that people post are malicious...
[21:37] <LjL> konqueror is no use for that, and it takes me two minutes to start firefox :<
[21:52] <LjL> tsimpson, please see the question in #ubuntu from sharperguy that will probably come up in #kubuntu as well - i might be mistaken but i think you used to know by heart how to remove all kde 4 packages in one step...
[21:54] <tsimpson> there is a way, but it's not necessary
[21:54] <tsimpson> and more difficult in intrepid, since intrepid comes with KDE4 as default
[22:00] <LjL> tsimpson: ok, i asked you the wrong question then, but please give him the right answer ;)
[22:16] <LjL> wow, many "guest"s on #u today
[22:18] <Seeker`> is that someone admitting to ban evasion?
[22:19] <LjL> Seeker`: i don't think so (might be wrong), just saying they're banned on #ubuntu-ru
[22:19] <LjL> which they are indeed
[23:31] <Seeker`> Lenin_Cat: how can we help you?
[23:53] <Seeker`> :O