[00:04] <MatBoy> jmedina: yes, I understand that
[00:04] <MatBoy> the question is why you should be able to connect to that port
[00:05] <jmedina> MatBoy: I dont understand your question
[00:07] <MatBoy> jmedina: never mind... have to ask soe devs
[00:07] <MatBoy> *some
[00:07] <jmedina> ok.........
[00:07] <jmedina> MatBoy: so what is the answer?
[00:09] <MatBoy> jmedina: I will let you know when they answered it :)
[00:09] <jmedina> :D
[00:09] <jmedina> so what was the answer?
[00:09] <jmedina> I mean the question
[00:10] <jmedina> I use amavis-release from command line to release mails
[00:15] <MatBoy> jmedina: no, postvis admin wants to connect to it
[00:19] <Sergii> Hi! I'm trying to build package in Ubuntu 8.10 x64 (php5) with mssql included, and I'm getting this message: "dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2" How do I troubleshoot it? I tried going back in the output, and was not able to link the command that is shown to the contents of any of the files...
[00:24] <Gargoyle> Upgrading server...
[00:24]  * Gargoyle holds breath
[00:24]  * |dthacker| crosses fingers and toes
[00:25] <Sergii> =)
[00:25] <Gargoyle> All done
[00:27] <|dthacker|> that was quick.
[00:28] <Gargoyle> not much to typing apt-get upgrade!
[00:28] <Gargoyle> :D
[00:28] <Gargoyle> Fetched 53.3MB in 1s (34.6MB/s)
[00:28] <|dthacker|> Gargoyle: from what level to Jaunty?
[00:28] <Gargoyle> he he, also helps server is on a fat pipe!
[00:29] <Gargoyle> Nahh, just doing the udates for hardy. I realised I had not done it since I got the server!
[00:30] <Gargoyle> Although, I wonder if there is anything special I should ask my host about - Its a virtual machine in a bigger cluster!
[00:30] <Gargoyle> Bit late for that now! :/
[00:33] <Gargoyle> All the sites are still up and running so I guess its time for bed.
[01:41] <Doble> hey folks - I'm trying to set up ubuntu & samba as a member of a windows AD domain, I've followed the guide on the ubuntu docs site but I can't browse to the server from a windows pc ... even though the share is set to browsable = yes and guest ok = yes, I get permission denied when I browse to \\bucket (the name of the server) ... any ideas ?
[01:43] <twb> Doble: that sounds like a better question for #samba
[01:45] <Doble> twb: cheers will try there
[01:54] <jmedina> Doble: what about samba logs?
[01:54] <jmedina> ok
[01:54] <jmedina> go to #samba
[01:56] <Doble> jmedina: which log should I look in? the ones for my windows PC are blank
[01:57] <jmedina> Doble: first increase log level in smb.conf to 3 for example
[01:57] <jmedina> restart samba
[01:57] <jmedina> and watch to every file in /var/log/samba/
[02:01] <Doble> !paste
[02:02] <Doble> jmedina: I'm recieving this error in the log.winbindd-idmap - http://paste.ubuntu.com/151783/
[02:02] <hads> I was just reading the Karmic IdeaPool page and was wondering if anyone had a link to anything about "at" being deprecated? It's hard to search for.
[02:03] <jmedina> Doble: I think you should add a idmap uid range
[02:03] <jmedina> and probably the same for idmap gid range
[02:04] <Doble> jmedina: is there a way to search a file using pico ?
[02:04] <jmedina> idmap uid = 10000-20000
[02:04] <jmedina> idmap gid = 10000-20000
[02:04] <jmedina> to your smb.conf
[02:04] <jmedina> and before you restart samba try
[02:04] <jmedina> testparm
[02:05] <jmedina> if there is no error then restart samba
[02:05] <Doble> jmedina: I have     idmap uid = 50-9999999999 and     idmap gid = 50-9999999999
[02:05] <Doble> should I change that ?
[02:05] <jmedina> Doble: I dont use pico but I know how to search :S
[02:05] <jmedina> did you try testparm?
[02:05] <Doble> its alright, i worked it out
[02:06] <jmedina> I not sure if that is a valid range
[02:06] <jmedina> I always use that range for Samba AD members
[02:06] <jmedina> I cant imagine that amount of users :D
[02:06] <Doble> testparm returns this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/151784/
[02:07] <jmedina> try with another range
[02:08] <Doble> okay, one second
[02:10] <Doble> okay, same error in the winbindd-idmap log
[02:13] <jmedina> are you sure are new logs?
[02:13] <jmedina> did you restart samba after change?
[02:13] <jmedina> well I have to go
[02:13] <jmedina> continue in #samba
[06:43] <drspin> hi everyone -- I'm trying to figure out why our Ubuntu8.10 64-bit server locked up today
[06:44] <drspin> syslog: console-kit-daemon[10699]: CRITICAL: cannot initialize libpolkit
[06:45] <drspin> looks like Ubuntu8.10 needs policykit installed, but it's anything else
[06:49] <drspin> I mean, if there is anything else I missed, I would love to hear it
[07:50] <maxb> window level all
[07:52] <eagles0513875> hey guys anyone have a more updated tutorial on how to setup samba as a domain controller
[07:52] <eagles0513875> the one i found on howtoforge is a lil outdated
[08:33] <_ruben> man .. self signed certs and gnutls are a complete bitch
[08:36] <eagles0513875> not sure if what im trying to do is worse
[08:36] <eagles0513875> setting up samba as a domain controller using openldap
[08:54] <kraut> moin
[08:59] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[09:17] <_ruben> seems im running into a gnutls regression :(
[09:18] <eagles0513875> :(
[09:18] <eagles0513875> i cant find the slapd.conf file
[09:18] <eagles0513875> im wondering if me upgrading to jaunty from intrepid had somethign to do with it
[09:51] <LyonJT_> Morning all
[09:51] <LyonJT_> Can a VPN block ssh packets?
[09:52] <_ruben> sure, as can firewalls
[09:52] <LyonJT_> ohh
[09:52] <LyonJT_> how can i check if the ports open?
[09:54] <_ruben> ask the administrator of the vpn?
[09:56] <LyonJT_> lol sorry i just realised it was a stupid question
[09:58] <LyonJT_> is ssh tcp or udp?
[09:58] <_ruben> tcp port 22
[10:01] <LyonJT__> thanks _ruben
[10:24] <mattt> anyone know if there are php-fpm packages for ubuntu anywhere?
[10:38] <drbobb> ugh, i forgot the command for unsetting away status
[10:39] <drbobb> konversation had that in a menu, and kde4's quassel doesn't :(
[10:41] <_ruben> "/away" tends to do the trick on most non-braindead clients ;)
[10:41] <drbobb> ok got that
[10:43] <drbobb> anyway, has anyone found that LVM does not like sun disklabels? or is it something that I did wrong
[10:45] <_ruben> dos and gpt are the only ones i use, so wouldnt know :)
[10:46] <LyonJT__> what is lvm?
[10:47] <_ruben> logical volume management
[10:47] <_ruben> !lvm
[10:47] <drbobb> ishould have said LVM2, but i suppose that's been the default version for a while anyway
[10:48] <drbobb> I had a drive that was swapped from sun sparc machine, and i didn't feel like repartitioning it
[10:49] <drbobb> but after pvcreate seemed to succeed, other LVM commands started emitting weird warnings
[10:50] <drbobb> and when I later tried to fdisk -l the drive, the label to be corrupted
[10:50] <drbobb> the disklabel seemed to be corrupted
[10:56] <_ruben> i'd prefer repartitioning over using 'strange' disklabels personally :)
[10:58] <drbobb> right, so i did that in the end
[10:58] <drbobb> but how 'strange' is sun's solaris, it's been around for a few years now hasn't it
[10:59] <drbobb> (actually the first time I accessed the internets it was using sunos boxes)
[11:00] <drbobb> (that was, uh, over 15 ys ago iirc)
[11:00] <_ruben> sun disklabels aren't strange for sun boxes, i do label them 'strange' for non-sun boxes :)
[11:01] <drbobb> well i don't think the h/w itself cares much, and i heard linux runs pretty well on sun boxes too ;-)
[11:02] <_ruben> true, but with sun boxes i meant boxes running a sun os :)
[11:02] <drbobb> i must try dual-booting an ultrasparc one of these days
[11:03] <drbobb> and compare the performance on a level field
[11:43] <LyonJT> for mount-point what do i put
[11:44] <LyonJT> it says enter a value for a mount point
[12:54] <abcdasd> how do i get apt-get to re-generate a config file for a program? I removed vsftpd and now I want to re-install it, but when I do, the config file isn't generated and I need it to configure the FTP!
[12:55] <hads> Remove the package with apt-get purge
[12:55] <hads> (or aptitude)
[12:56] <abcdasd> hads: when i do that I recieve 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 57 not upgraded.
[12:56] <drbobb> sometimes dpkg-reconfigure packagename does the trick
[12:57] <hads> aptitude will let you purge a package when it's not installed
[12:57] <abcdasd> drbobb: that doesn't seem to have worked ... the config file still doesn't exist
[12:57] <hads> apt-get does not
[12:58] <drbobb> abcdasd: you might have to set a priority, or whatever it's called
[12:58] <abcdasd> ?
[12:59] <drbobb> man dpkg-reconfigure
[12:59] <drbobb> the `-p' option
[13:01] <abcdasd> drbobb: still no luck
[13:02] <drbobb> sorry about that
[13:02] <drbobb> i'd try a purge + reinstall
[13:07] <abcdasd> drbobb: I have tried that .. should I restart the server in between uninstall/purge/reinstall ?
[13:08] <drbobb> no, why would you need to do that
[13:08] <abcdasd> i don't know, just my old windows sysadmin instinct kicking in :) ... the purge /reinstall doesn't seem to have any effect
[14:05] <henriquelm> Hello there
[14:22] <incorrect> I am trying to run a script that uses pushd and popd, i've changed the script to use bash not sh
[14:22] <incorrect> but that didn't fix it
[14:24] <soren> "fix it"?
[14:24] <soren> What's not working?
[14:29] <incorrect> sorry, pushd and popd
[14:38]  * ScottK waves to ivoks.
[14:38] <ivoks> ScottK: we might just quit on installing postfix's part in there's no main.cf
[14:38] <ivoks> s/in/if
[14:38] <ScottK> That's about all you can do I think.
[14:38] <ScottK> Not exploding is good.
[14:39] <ivoks> let me just check something
[14:40] <ivoks> yet, it explodes :/
[14:40] <ivoks> yep
[14:43] <MatBoy> how do you guys solve that annoying ClamAV issue about updates when the repo is out of date ?
[14:43] <ivoks> i say some nasty words about clamav :)
[14:44] <MatBoy> clamav is nice
[14:44] <ScottK> MatBoy: I volunteer a lot of time to get the Ubuntu clamav packages updated and tested as soon as possible.
[14:44] <MatBoy> ScottK: ok, can I help on this ?
[14:44] <ScottK> MatBoy: What do you use clamav with and on what release (yes)?
[14:44] <ivoks> of course
[14:45] <MatBoy> I doubt is the virus definistions are updated when you get this message
[14:45] <ScottK> Virus definitions are still updated
[14:45] <MatBoy> ScottK: I'm on.... WARNING: Local version: 0.94.2 Recommended version: 0.95.1
[14:45] <ScottK> What you don't have is the latest engine so not all the definitions can be used.
[14:45] <MatBoy> keej
[14:46] <MatBoy> nope indeed
[14:46] <ScottK> MatBoy: Which Ubuntu release?
[14:46] <MatBoy> I'm on 8.10
[14:46] <MatBoy> Intrepid
[14:46] <ScottK> And how do you use clamav?
[14:46] <MatBoy> ScottK: with amavisd
[14:47] <ScottK> MatBoy: OK.  We have a group that work on it.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Clamav has some information.
[14:47] <ScottK> 0.95.1 in in the ubuntu-clamav PPA for testing.
[14:47] <MatBoy> this looks nice
[14:47] <ScottK> cemc can give you advice on helping with testing as he's been doing most of it recently.
[14:48] <ivoks> ppa for stuff like this would be great
[14:48] <ivoks> clamav is a moving target
[14:48] <ivoks> it would be easier to handle it with ppa, than -updates
[14:49] <ScottK> We use the PPA for testing, push to backports when we have all the rdepends updated, and then to -security/-updates once they've had broad testing.
[14:49] <cemc> but PPA isn't that restricted, anybody can upload anything and mess it up :) be accident of course
[14:49] <cemc> by*
[14:50] <ScottK> Since the clamav upgrades fix security issues we do need to get them into the official repos.
[14:50] <ScottK> PPA is a good stopping place, but not enough
[14:50] <ivoks> true
[14:51] <MatBoy> I need to read more about PPA
[14:51] <cemc> create your own, and play around with it a bit ;)
[14:54] <MatBoy> I'm wondering if amavisd quarantines a mail because of a virus... to it sees it as "Banned"... if it should remove the virus on releasing
[14:56] <ScottK> I don't think one can rely on that sort of thing even if it works sometimes.
[14:58] <ScottK> Did you ever get a virus mail that you wanted to keep?
[14:58]  * ScottK would recommend just ditch anything labled virus
[15:00] <MatBoy> ScottK: true, but the virus is tagged as Banned...
[15:00] <ivoks> in mail.log?
[15:00] <ScottK> Change it to discard
[15:00] <ScottK> ivoks knows amavisd-new better than me, so I'd listen to him
[15:01] <MatBoy> ivoks: no in my postvis admin tool that I'm testing to see how to script such thing :)
[15:01] <MatBoy> so I use SQL quarantine
[15:02] <cemc> MatBoy: you put the banned/virus email in SQL ?
[15:03] <ScottK> cemc: Did you ever figure anything about qpsmtpd?  If you get a fix, I can still get it in Jaunty.
[15:04] <cemc> ScottK: never got around to that... but I'll take a look tonight and give you an answer
[15:04] <MatBoy> cemc: yep
[15:04] <ScottK> Thanks
[15:05] <cemc> MatBoy: even if it has a banned 10mb attachment on it?
[15:05] <MatBoy> cemc: possible... but I can select on it
[15:06] <MatBoy> I can say... max X-MB
[15:06] <cemc> is that wise? why not store it in a directory somewhere and have the information (path, size etc) in SQL ?
[15:07] <cemc> I'm no expert, just asking ;)
[15:08] <MatBoy> cemc: I'm not an expert too... just figuring out what is best and try to understand why :P
[15:08] <MatBoy> cemc: directory can be done too indeed
[15:08] <MatBoy> cemc: need to figure that out too :D
[15:09] <MatBoy> is there no good online spamfilter testtool that spams your spamfilter with about 100 mails ?
[15:09] <MatBoy> they were there before
[15:10] <ivoks> lool:
[15:10] <ivoks> ups...
[15:12] <MatBoy> UPS = Transport company or Universal Power Supply :P
[15:19] <ivoks> ScottK: i have a new patch for that dovecot-postfix thingy
[15:20] <ScottK> ivoks: OK.  Is it in the bug?
[15:20] <ivoks> ScottK: uploading
[15:21] <Actium> what bug? the "let's make postfix incredibly safe by having it not listen on any ports"-one? or did i miss sth?
[15:22] <ivoks> Actium: bug 360891
[15:22] <MatBoy> cemc: do you store on MySQL/file base ?
[15:22] <Actium> thanks
[15:23] <ivoks> ScottK: if there are gramar mistakes, please fix them; i'm not native english speaker :)
[15:24] <ScottK> ivoks: Will do
[15:24] <MatBoy> brb.. dizzy from antibiotics
[15:32] <ivoks> lamont: postfix still leaves /var/lib/postfix behind on purge
[15:33] <ivoks> lamont: bug 348990
[15:34] <ScottK> Postfix 2.6 RC out today too.
[15:36] <ivoks> ScottK: well, you could take care of this postfix bug
[15:36] <ivoks> :)
[15:36] <ivoks> since lamont isn't around
[15:36]  * ScottK is about out of Ubuntu time for a while....
[15:36] <ScottK> Need to get some actual $work done.
[15:36] <ivoks> ok :)
[15:46] <ScottK> ivoks: Uploaded.
[15:47] <ivoks> ScottK: great, thank you!
[16:14] <jbernard> kirkland: i just pushed a branch of screen-profiles to lp:~jbernard/+junk/screen-profiles that fixes the typo in the screen-profiles-extras description
[16:14] <kirkland> jbernard: cool, thanks
[16:14]  * kirkland takes a quick look
[16:19] <kirkland> jbernard: merged, thanks for you contribution ;-)
[16:19] <jbernard> kirkland: no problem, that was easy ;)
[16:19] <kirkland> jbernard: agreed ;-)
[16:40] <MatBoy> cemc: around ?
[17:17] <lamont> ScottK: thanks for taking care of the /var/lib/postfix thing
[17:18] <ScottK> lamont: I didn't.  The fixed thing was about a dovecot bug.
[17:19] <lamont> ah, ok
[17:19] <lamont> frankly, I don't really consider any droppings-on-purge to be release critical
[17:19] <lamont> though they are definitely "fix in karmic"
[17:20] <lamont> although all the MTAs suffer from the same "we don't nuke /etc/aliases on purge" feature
[17:20] <MatBoy> lol amavisd with sql is kinda tricky
[19:01] <cemc> MatBoy: yes?
[19:04] <MatBoy> cemc: do you quarantine using mysql and files ?
[19:06] <cemc> MatBoy: I'm not really using amavis either... and when I did, I don't remember qurantining anything. just log and discard
[19:09] <cemc> I realize that it may not be the best policy
[19:10] <MatBoy> cemc: ok
[19:10] <cemc> why are you going thru so much trouble anyway? just quarantine it in a file, and you have the logs if something's needed, right?
[19:10] <MatBoy> and let the user re-sent his email ?
[19:11] <cemc> let the user clean his system ;)
[19:11] <cemc> and take better care of it next time
[19:12] <cemc> what will you do with the quarantined stuff?
[19:28] <MatBoy> cemc: hold it for a while and remove it :)
[19:39] <chris_d_adams> can anyone explain why apache gives this message when you have more than one vhost?
[19:39] <chris_d_adams> VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported
[19:39] <chris_d_adams> how do you resolve it?
[19:40] <ivoks> you can resolve it with proper configuration
[19:41] <ivoks> if NameVirtualHost is *:80, then all VirtualHosts need to be *:80
[19:41] <ivoks> if NVH is *, then all VH should be *
[19:42] <ivoks> but, it's just a warning, i doubt you'll have problems with that setup
[19:43] <jmedina> hi ivoks
[19:43] <chris_d_adams> ah
[19:43] <chris_d_adams> thanks
[19:44] <ivoks> hi jmedina
[19:44] <ivoks> hi all :)
[19:44] <jmedina> ivoks: which bacula version are you using in production?
[19:45] <ivoks> those from repository
[19:45] <ivoks> in 8.04
[19:45] <jmedina> bacula team just releases bacula 3.0.0 and they annonced that they will drop bacul 2.4 support in a few months
[19:46] <jmedina> the code base now will be 3.0x, I was asking about upstream 2.2 lifetime in #bacula
[19:46] <jmedina> some devs told me that if they are going to drop 2.4 they doubt there is 2.2 support at the moment
[19:46] <jmedina> ivoks: yeap Im using 2.2.x from hardy repo
[19:47] <ivoks> they are moving too fast
[19:47] <chris_d_adams> ivoks: that's cleared up that problem
[19:47] <chris_d_adams> but I'm also getting this message:
[19:47] <chris_d_adams>  [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
[19:48] <chris_d_adams> should I worry about that?
[19:48] <ivoks> chris_d_adams: read my answer one more time :)
[19:49] <chris_d_adams> ivoks: I've set the named vhost to  NameVirtualHost *:80,  and all the vhosts are <VirtualHost *:80>
[19:49] <chris_d_adams> i thought i was following your answer
[19:49] <jmedina> ivoks: I dont see any info about 2.2 support in bacula news
[19:50] <LyonJT> is there a facebook developer irc?
[19:50] <ivoks> chris_d_adams: maybe you've put multiple NVHs
[19:51] <ivoks> jmedina: you are worried for security?
[19:52] <cemc> chris_d_adams: I have my NVH *:80 in httpd.conf, and in sites-available I have a bunch of <VirtualHost *:80>s
[19:52] <chris_d_adams> ah cemc  thanks, I'll check there
[19:54] <chris_d_adams> cemc: weird, me adding that gave me the error twice
[19:54] <ivoks> you should have only one NVH per IP/port
[19:54] <jmedina> ivoks: well not at the moment, im worried about support
[19:54] <ivoks> jmedina: ubuntu provides support for packages in ubuntu ;)
[19:55] <ivoks> baculasystems support only their own packages
[19:55] <cemc> chris_d_adams: NVH *:80 should be only in one place, check the other files too
[19:55] <ivoks> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#namevirtualhost
[19:55] <ivoks> read this
[19:55] <cemc> chris_d_adams: do a 'grep -Ri namevirtualhost *' in /etc/apache2
[19:55] <jmedina> ivoks: I know, any plans to package 3.0.x?
[19:56] <ivoks> jmedina: not for jaunty :)
[19:57] <chris_d_adams> cemc: thanks
[19:57] <cemc> chris_d_adams: but you should read the apache docs too
[19:58] <chris_d_adams> ivoks: they've been in front of me for the last 15 mins, and I've been following the examples here
[19:58] <chris_d_adams> thanks for your patience so far, I have rtfm'ing, i promise
[19:58] <ivoks> chris_d_adams: ubuntu ships some default configuration
[19:58] <ivoks> there's default web page in sites-enabled
[19:59] <ivoks> in has NVH in it, and it's *
[19:59] <ivoks> so, if you don't disable that web site, you shouldn't add NVH into your web sites
[19:59] <ivoks> also, all your websites would be <VirtualHost *>
[19:59] <chris_d_adams> the offending article was in ports.conf
[19:59] <chris_d_adams> thanks guys!
[19:59] <ivoks> ports.conf?!
[20:00] <chris_d_adams> that's the only place I didn't look
[20:00] <ivoks> it shouldn't be there anyway
[20:00] <ivoks> that's for ports
[20:00] <ivoks> not virtualhosts
[20:00] <ivoks> i agree, apache configuration should be easier :)
[20:01] <chris_d_adams> I'm running a ubuntu 8.10 vm with memset.com
[20:01] <chris_d_adams> may be they put it in there for laughs
[20:01] <chris_d_adams> thanks again for your help
[20:01] <chris_d_adams> this had been driving me insane
[20:01] <ivoks> vms suck
[20:01] <ivoks> there's too many people who create them and don't have a clue about what they are doing :)
[20:02] <ivoks> what's the name of vm provider that set's clock to Georgian time?
[20:03] <ivoks> sets
[20:03] <chris_d_adams> ivoks: this is true
[20:03] <ivoks> they are from Georgia, USA, but set the clock to Georgia, Europe
[20:04] <ivoks> not only the clock, but also do LC :)
[20:05] <ivoks> orudie was the victime of that vm provider :D
[20:05] <ivoks> too many typos, time to go to bed
[20:49] <LyonJT> Does anyone have a guide to Squid Proxy server?
[21:19] <LyonJT> What is the workgroup used for in samba configuration file?
[21:24] <genii> LyonJT: When you browse the network, you see for instance: Workgroup: MSHome   or such. Then inside there will be all the computers with shares which also belong to the workgroup called MSHome
[21:24] <LyonJT> Don't worry i just worked it out but thank you!
[21:25] <genii> np
[21:26] <LyonJT> :)
[21:37] <LyonJT> what port do you use to access a squid proxy server?
[21:38] <giovani> LyonJT: the default is 3128, iirc
[21:38] <giovani> but just check your config file
[21:38] <LyonJT> will do but its soo big!
[21:39] <giovani> just do a text search for 3128
[21:39] <giovani> or "port"
[21:39] <giovani> should be straightforward
[21:39] <coffeedude> giovani is right
[21:39] <coffeedude> it's 3128
[21:40] <LyonJT> yes i found it
[21:40] <LyonJT> is it tcp or udp?
[21:40] <coffeedude> tcp
[21:40] <giovani> HTTP is TCP
[21:40] <LyonJT> thanks!
[21:40] <LyonJT> how can i enable user name and password  on it?
[21:41] <giovani> either read the squid docs/config
[21:41] <giovani> or #squid
[21:43] <LyonJT> thanks buddy
[22:01] <LyonJT> my proxy server seems to work
[22:02] <LyonJT> but msn messenger doesn't seem to work why is that?
[22:11] <foxbuntu> LyonJT, sounds like a config issue with MSN Messanger
[22:11] <LyonJT> realy :S
[22:11] <giovani> LyonJT: messenger apps tend to be complex -- they use many ports sometimes, who knows
[22:11] <LyonJT> i got the ip address of the proxy and the port number though
[22:19] <LyonJT> thank you
[22:19] <LyonJT> never mind ill look into it
[22:24] <LyonJT> i am trying to install webmin
[22:24] <LyonJT> sudo dpkg -i webmin_1.441_all.deb
[22:24] <LyonJT> i use that
[22:24] <LyonJT> but it says it cant find it
[22:24] <LyonJT> :S
[22:24] <LyonJT> but when i put ls in it is there
[22:24] <foxbuntu> LyonJT, permissions
[22:24] <LyonJT> oh dw i found out
[22:24] <LyonJT> lol
[22:25] <LyonJT> no no  i was using the wrong switch
[22:25] <LyonJT> lol
[22:25] <foxbuntu> ok
[22:27] <LyonJT> thank you though!
[22:58] <vraa> you only have to restart when there is a kernel change right?
[22:59] <jmedina> vraa: or when the system crashes
[22:59] <friartuck> ha ha
[22:59] <jmedina> but rarely happens, most because hardware failure
[23:02] <vraa> no it's never crashed
[23:02] <vraa> it's ibm hardware, it won't fail
[23:02] <vraa> :D
[23:03] <vraa> so when i run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" is there a way to tell when it'll require a restart or when it won't?
[23:03] <jmedina> vraa: unless you upgrade kernel and you really need to boot with it
[23:03] <jmedina> if not, probably the most you can do is restart/reload services/daemons