[01:26] <quassel208> my pc was smoking
[01:50] <seele> wow.. upgraded to jaunty and i can't launch any kde apps
[01:51]  * etank puts on the brakes of his kubuntu install then
[01:52]  * seele sighs
[01:52] <seele> this happens every release for me
[01:52] <seele> why do i do this on my work laptop
[02:21] <neversfelde> seele: I did several upgrades here and they all went fine, is kubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:22] <etank> kubuntu live session would not connect to my WPA network
[02:22] <etank> trying xubuntu now and it works fine
[02:24] <neversfelde> etank: install knetworkmanager instead of plasma-widget-networkmanager, last one seems to work fine for me, but not for everyone :)
[02:27] <seele> neversfelde: yes. kde loads, i just can't start any kde apps
[02:27] <seele> i can use firefox and oo though
[02:27] <seele> kde apps seem to start to load and then die
[02:27] <seele> the widgets in my panel work
[02:27] <neversfelde> seele: mhh, whats the output on cl ?
[02:28] <seele> neversfelde: what is c1?
[02:28] <neversfelde> command line
[02:28] <seele> tty1?
[02:28] <neversfelde> open konsole and start a programm
[02:29] <seele> i can't open konsole
[02:29] <seele> i cant start any kde applications
[02:29] <tsimpson> open xterm ;)
[02:29] <neversfelde> yes
[02:29] <seele> hold on, i have to install it
[02:29] <tsimpson> I'm sure it *was* installed by default some time ago
[02:30] <seele> i'm sure it's not installed now
[02:30] <neversfelde> I never had that problem, konsole was always usable until now :)
[02:30]  * tsimpson has vague memories of no xterm breaking KDM
[02:31] <seele> seele@Takochi:~/Documents$ konsole
[02:31] <seele> konsole: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde-nightly/lib/kde4/plugins/styles/oxygen.so
[02:31] <seele> : undefined symbol: _ZNK6KStyle26standardIconImplementationEN6QStyle14StandardPi
[02:31] <seele> xmapEPK12QStyleOptionPK7QWidget
[02:31] <seele> <unknown program name>(19506)/: Communication problem with  "konsole" , it proba
[02:31] <seele> bly crashed.
[02:31] <seele> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not re
[02:31] <seele> ceive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
[02:31] <seele> uhm
[02:31] <seele> hmm
[02:31] <neversfelde> kde-nightly? you should remove
[02:32] <seele> yeah.. although i wasn't in kde-nightly so i dont know why it was trying to run kde-nightly apps
[02:33] <tsimpson> is LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to anything?
[02:33] <tsimpson> or QT_PLUGIN_PATH
[02:33] <tsimpson> or KDEDIRS
[02:35]  * neversfelde is off
[02:36] <seele> uninstalling kde-nightly and restarting kde.. mom..
[02:36] <seele> 'night neversfelde
[02:37] <seele> ah hah.. it seems like kde-nightly was the problem
[02:37] <seele> phew
[02:38] <seele> a bunch of other people have been using nightly i wonder why they didnt have that problem
[02:38] <neversfelde> do not use it in a productive environment :)
[02:38] <neversfelde> gn8
[09:16] <slangasek> Tonio_: bug #349728 doesn't look critical to me; I would call this feature work, and not appropriate at this stage of the freeze, so I'm going to reject the kdebase upload
[09:16] <slangasek> Tonio_: the fix for 354768 seems like it could be critical, but the bug in question was triaged to low, so probably not?
[09:49] <Tonio_> slangasek: for the first, I agree it is not critical, and probably more feature stuff than bug :)
[09:50] <Tonio_> slangasek: concerning the second, that's a real issue... dunno why it's been triaged
[09:50] <Tonio_> slangasek: fair if I reupload another kdebase with just that second fix ?
[09:50] <slangasek> Tonio_: if you think the impact of the bug is severe enough to warrant it, yes
[09:50] <slangasek> I think JontheEchidna did the triaging, right?
[09:51] <Tonio_> slangasek: afaics it's not him... JontheEchidna asked me yesterday if I could upload ;)
[09:52] <slangasek> hmm, the bug log certainly shows his hand, but maybe 'low' means something different to him than it does to me. ;)
[09:54] <Tonio_> probably :)
[09:54] <Tonio_> slangasek: so another upload then ? can do that right now
[09:54] <slangasek> yes, that's ok with me
[09:54] <Tonio_> let's go
[09:59] <Tonio_> slangasek: uploaded
[10:02] <Tonio_> Lure: you should have latest polkit-qt, policykit-kde and k3B on my ppa
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: on that point, it seems like backporting k3b for jaunty will not be that easy as we need to also backport policykit and polkit-qt
[10:03] <Tonio_> and that's fairly sensible as it also manages kpk :/
[10:10] <a|wen-> Riddell / ScottK: does bug 348662 look fit for an FFE ; or is the upstream changes too invasive?
[10:17] <Tonio_> a|wen-: hum doesn't look like ffe for me, but yeah the debdiff has a few changes in it... :)
[10:20] <a|wen-> Tonio_: there is a bit moving around needed for the shortcut definitions, so look of more than it is, but still ... I'll just let it wait for karmic then; hopefully a final version will arrive to backport over the summer :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> a|wen-: you should try to push it anyway, and see what motu-release thinks about this
[10:21] <Tonio_> a|wen-: or ping ScottK directly:)
[10:23] <a|wen-> Tonio_: already pinged him above ... hopefully he will appear when the timezones match
[10:23] <Tonio_> yup :)
[10:39] <Riddell> a|wen-: ug, big patch
[10:41] <a|wen-> Riddell: it's not the smallest one ... they change from using their own hacked-together shortcut saving mechanism to use the build-in one in kdelibs
[10:46] <ScottK> a|wen-: I'd trust your judgement on it.  It's a bugfix and generically I think moving to a libs provided function is good.
[10:47] <ScottK> So ack from me for upload if you think it's a good change.
[10:53] <a|wen-> ScottK: the moving away from using their own hack did seem like a major improvement ... the change seem very robust here as well as with the reporters
[10:54] <Riddell> a|wen-: go for it then
[10:55] <a|wen-> uploaded!
[11:10] <Tonio_> slangasek: kdebase reuploaded fyi
[11:10] <slangasek> Tonio_: yep, thanks
[11:41] <ghostcube> http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/
[11:46] <a|wen-> ScottK: did you add your ack to the bug?
[12:58] <ScottK> a|wen-: I didn't write in the bug, but I can.  It's OK to upload when you're ready.
[12:59] <a|wen> ScottK: okay; thought i needed it in the bug for the archive admins to see ... it's already up
[13:00] <ScottK> Yes, except I'm an archive admin.  Let me look.
[13:01] <a|wen> ScottK: then that of course helps
[13:03] <ScottK> Tonio_: The last kaffeine upload FTBFS on all archs.  Does you upload fix that?
[13:09] <ScottK> a|wen: Accepted.  Thanks.
[13:10] <a|wen> ScottK: thx
[13:10] <Tonio_> ScottK: yes, it also fixes the ftbfs
[13:10] <Tonio_> ScottK: just a missing build-dep
[13:12] <ScottK> Excellent.
[13:12] <Tonio_> ScottK: I wouldn't upload quickly at this stage without testing locally :)
[13:12] <Tonio_> an ftbfs is acceptable during the dev cycle, but not during the final freeze :) hehe
[13:12] <ScottK> Tonio_: Accepted.  Of course.  I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't at least ask though.
[13:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure ;)
[13:18]  * Riddell dances a happy dance
[13:18] <Riddell> jtholmes: do you remember that folderview has a big red cross on it bug?  was there a bug number?
[13:21] <jtholmes> Riddell, as my memory serves me, no just the red cross no number in on or around it
[13:23] <Riddell> ok I'll report one
[13:28] <Riddell> bug 362895
[13:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: ping
[13:30] <Riddell> what's the status of your kdebase changes?
[13:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: the konq plugins patch was rejected by slangasek, since more a feature change than bugfix
[13:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: the second patch for dolphin got approved
[13:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I let the konq patch in bzr for instance, but it might not go in jaunty -> karmic
[13:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I reuploaded a ubuntu4 without my patch, and updated bzr with the unreleased ubuntu5 stuff including my konqueror patch
[13:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok I'll reject your upload, add in my patch for folderview and reupload
[13:42] <Tonio_> kk
[13:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum then we'll ahve a problem in bzr since you'll also have to drop my patch from there :)
[13:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll keep the patch offline, just drop from bzr
[13:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't worry, I'll work around it
[13:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: just received a mail from kdenlive upstream about the last upload
[13:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: he notices we have a pretty old version of libmlt
[13:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdenlive is the only reverse dep on it, so I wondered if an update for it would be interesting...
[13:53] <Tonio_> slangasek: any opinion on this ?
[13:53] <ScottK> Tonio_: It's in Universe ....
[13:54] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum right, so your opinion then :)
[13:54] <Tonio_> ScottK I'd go for it, as no other reverse dep...
[13:54] <Tonio_> with an FFE of course :)
[13:54] <ScottK> Did he say why he was concerned?
[13:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: cause some features might break with an outdated version
[13:55] <Tonio_> see bug 362489
[13:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: kdenlive is becoming one of kde's key apps, I'd really like to have it as stable and good working as possible
[13:56] <Tonio_> ScottK: we already miss k3b... I don't want to miss the point with kdenlive :)
[13:56] <ScottK> OK.  As long as you give it some good testing, I think we should update.
[13:56] <Tonio_> lett's go
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> oh
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: would you mind pushing bug 355308 through?
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> now that RC is released
[13:59] <seele> hmm.. getting some weird painting problems in kde app widgets
[14:00] <ScottK> seele: Intel video?
[14:00] <seele> ScottK: ah.. yeah. i guess there is a problem with the driver? heh
[14:00]  * seele hasnt been paying attention the past few weeks
[14:01] <seele> school crunch :(
[14:02] <ScottK> seele: See the RC release notes.  You have choices and no one choice works best for everyone
[14:04] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: looking
[14:09] <Quintasan> hiho
[14:11]  * seele . o (people actually read the release notes? :)
[14:12] <seele> uhm.. where are the release notes?
[14:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uploaded
[14:12] <Quintasan> why on earth update-manager-kde is in gnome section?
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Thanks. I have a few more bugfixes for ktorrent and kdemultimedia that I have in the works
[14:13] <Riddell> 14:12 < pitti> Riddell: hm, do you think the patch in bug 355308 is bullet/regression proof?
[14:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ^^
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> I would not be 100% sure.
[14:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: how sure are upstream?
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> Markey recommended (tm):
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188678#c27
[14:15]  * Quintasan wonders why NumLock on startup option in System Settings still doesn't work
[14:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: expect other changes to receive similar scrutiny
[14:17]  * JontheEchidna nods
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> the kdemultimedia is pretty straightforward
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> dragonplayer jumps ahead 10 milliseconds in it's "jump 10 seconds" function
[14:19] <Quintasan> lol?
[14:20] <Quintasan> Do we have a package for new Minirok?
[14:20] <ghostcube> is there any ppa known for 180.44 on intrepid to test if this fixes kde4 bugs as mentioned
[14:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you see the kopete patch I pointed to yesterday?
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, I knew there were a few things people pointed me to. That was one of them
[14:21]  * JontheEchidna sees if it is still in his chat buffer
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> KDE bug 175687
[14:23] <ScottK> That one.
[14:23] <ScottK> Dunno how important it is, I don't use kopete.
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> on that note, there seem to be rumblings of fixing persistent notifications
[14:27] <rickspencer3> Riddell: ScottK: regarding plasma-widget-network-manager and encrypted wirelessodniWkp
[14:27] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Works here.
[14:28] <rickspencer3> ScottK last week we discussed the large number of bug reports
[14:28] <ScottK> rickspencer3: We left knetworkmanager on the DVD to we'd have an alternate install media that had it available for people who couldn't make the widget work for them.
[14:28] <Nightrose> Riddell: JontheEchidna: lfranchin (our last.fm guy) said it is ok
[14:28] <Nightrose> i asked him yesterday
[14:28]  * Tonio_ really, really, really, really, really, really, really, reallty *<<<!!!! HATES QUILT !!!>>>*
[14:28] <Tonio_> that's said, once and for all...
[14:28] <ScottK> rickspencer3: I suspect this is release notes material.
[14:28]  * Nightrose wonders how much Tonio_ hates Quilt on a scale from 1 to 10 :D
[14:29] <Tonio_> Nightrose: 14, at least....
[14:29]  * ScottK counts 8
[14:29] <Nightrose> haha
[14:29] <Tonio_> this thing is just as complex as git to use, just for a one line patch I have 7 commands to type in....
[14:30] <Tonio_> why the hell don't we still use that really nice and simple dpatch or simple-patchsys :'(
[14:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can just put the patch file in place and edit the series file
[14:30] <Riddell> that's all I ever do
[14:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: cause when you have to edit the patch, that's not possible :/
[14:30] <rickspencer3> ScottK, Riddell, you guys going to the release meeting?
[14:30] <ScottK> I'll be there.
[14:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: cdbs-edit-patch or dpatch made it easy to simply edit a patch on the fly
[14:31] <Riddell> yes
[14:31] <Riddell> our Feedback page is empty so far,  I wonder if that's a good sign or no
[14:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: plus using "diff" sounds to me like "back in the middle age", but stop this is because of quilt, the super tool that made you manually use diff :/
[14:32]  * Tonio_ backs to quilt, as he needs to finish mlt package
[14:32]  * JontheEchidna knows how to  edit existing patches
[14:32] <Tonio_> prey for me guys !
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> quilt push -a
[14:32] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: yeah me too :)
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok. It's just not straightforward?
[14:33] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you miss the export
[14:33] <Tonio_> then quilt push -a
[14:33] <Tonio_> quilt top my_stupid_patch
[14:33] <Tonio_> edit
[14:33] <Tonio_> qui refresh
[14:33] <Tonio_> quilt pop -a
[14:33] <rickspencer3> Riddell: plasma-widget-network-manager is one of the first topics
[14:33] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: honnestly, that sucks, really
[14:33] <Tonio_> hi sabdfl
[14:34] <sabdfl> howdy
[14:37] <Tonio_> ScottK: ever heard about the other package kdenlive upstream mentions ?
[14:37] <ScottK> Tonio_: No.
[14:37] <ScottK> We should look into that for Karmic and the backport it.
[14:37] <Tonio_> ScottK: probably more optional than mlt basically, so I'll discard this to karmic
[14:37] <ScottK> yes
[14:37] <Tonio_> ScottK: yup, my concern too
[14:37] <rickspencer3> Riddell: have you guys release noted the plasma-widget-network-manager related issues at all?
[14:37]  * Tonio_ notes that his karmic todo is already full of things
[14:38] <Tonio_> ScottK: is you'd wanna test the latest k3B, including latest policykit-kde and polkit-qt, all is on my ppa, ready to rock for karmic :)
[14:38] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'm having trouble getting my Jaunty TODO and $WORK done already.
[14:38] <Tonio_> rickspencer3: for the plasma networkmanager, were you talking about topics for the uds ?
[14:39] <rickspencer3> Tonio_: nope
[14:39] <rickspencer3> Jaunty
[14:39] <Tonio_> rickspencer3: kk so about jaunty, it "globally" works, but is still unfinished in the options (no way to correctly set vpn params)
[14:39] <rickspencer3> some users have some problems getting online with encrypted wireless access points
[14:39] <Tonio_> rickspencer3: also there are issues on the wpa2 side afaik
[14:40] <rickspencer3> Tonio_: right
[14:40] <rickspencer3> lots of users reporting bugs
[14:40] <rickspencer3> ScottK just said that it's "release note material"
[14:40] <Tonio_> rickspencer3: and upsteam isn't really active anymore on that point since it's developped by suse, and the commit come along with opensuse's releases...
[14:40] <rickspencer3> I agree with that, I'm just asking if the release notes have been done?
[14:40] <ScottK> Not by me.
[14:40] <Tonio_> rickspencer3: not by me either...
[14:40] <rickspencer3> Riddell: ?
[14:41] <Riddell> no, I can do that now
[14:41] <rickspencer3> Riddell: thanks!
[14:41] <rickspencer3> it looked like some users had success using GNOME NM
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> ooh: http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/kdebase-runtime-4.2.2-persistent_notify.patch
[14:42] <Quintasan> grrr, I just removed my main bar form Konq, how do I get it back?
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> hehe, a little hack caused the problems. What a surprise
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> I suppose it'd be a bit late to go back to the kpackagekit notification now....
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: would it be appropriate to include the above notification patch into our packages?
[14:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't understand the problem
[14:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: is it that notifications don't timeout?
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: persistent notifications aren't persistent
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> they time out
[14:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: got an example?
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> The KPackageKit notification, which we disabled for that very reason
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> I doubt we'd be able to go back to the KPK notification system this late into things, but...
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> bug 342017
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> I think it also affects kopete popups, which are persistent
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> well, should be persistent, but aren't
[14:48] <Riddell> kopete popups never disappear for me
[14:48] <Riddell> which is quite annoying
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> also powerdevil notifications
[14:48] <Riddell> they disappear fine
[14:48]  * Quintasan also thinks Kopete notifications should stack (but this is scheduled to 4.3) 
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> Apps with custom timeouts use the persistent notifications
[14:50]  * ScottK notes kubuntu.org still says "Latest update: 9.04 Beta ready for testing"
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> so if persistent notifications don't work, timed timeouts don't work either: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177154#c4
[14:52] <Riddell> ScottK: fixed
[14:53] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: has this been removed in svn?
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: not yet, but aseigo did author that patch
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> and rdieter did confirm it to work
[14:54] <Riddell> mm well, should be ok then
[14:54] <Riddell> expect to be grilled by pitti though :)
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> :)
[14:55]  * JontheEchidna switches to verbose changelog mode by setting the -v flag
[14:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: test it yourself then give us a debdiff
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we'd definitely want to test this one
[14:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:57]  * Quintasan noticed that translations started to work
[14:57] <Quintasan> thanks to the one who did that :)
[14:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: we would also need this for kdenlive : http://packages.debian.org/fr/sid/frei0r-plugins-dev
[14:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: still okay for an FFE according to you ? new package is less harmfull than update imho :)
[14:59] <ScottK> True.
[14:59] <ScottK> Let me look at it.
[14:59] <Tonio_> thanks
[14:59] <Tonio_> ScottK: mlt packaged, writing the FFE
[14:59] <ScottK> OK.
[15:00]  * ScottK decides to upgrade the kid's computer while they are at school ....
[15:00] <ScottK> Computer stuff here is rather the reverse of most households.
[15:03] <seele> hmm.. the image in the logout menu is still stretched.. i thought there was a fixed one in kde
[15:03] <seele> at least neon had a menu that the image wasnt stretched in
[15:04] <Tonio_> ScottK: bug 362931
[15:04] <Tonio_> hey miss seele :)
[15:04] <ScottK> Tonio_: You tested, right?
[15:04] <Tonio_> with kdenlive ? it won't complain anyomre, yes
[15:05] <Tonio_> ScottK: and I didn't get a super crash at creating a little video :)
[15:05] <ScottK> OK.
[15:05] <Tonio_> ScottK: but saying I tested everything ? no that would be lying, of course :)
[15:05] <Riddell> seele: I think that's only fixed in 4.3
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you, perchance, take a glance at bug 359008?
[15:08] <Tonio_> ScottK: still possible to request a sync from debian for freior-plugins or better go the FFE way and upload manually ?
[15:08]  * JontheEchidna is a poet
[15:09] <ScottK> Tonio_: Get an FFe.  I'll take care of getting it in, but let me review it first and make sure we could accept it from an archive admin perspective.
[15:10] <Tonio_> ScottK: pushing you the source package then, then write the FFE
[15:10] <Tonio_> ScottK: thanks for being this reactive :)
[15:10] <ScottK> I can get the package from Debian.  Not a problem.
[15:11] <Tonio_> ScottK: great
[15:11] <Quintasan> bug 361950 I wonder if this still occurs
[15:11] <Tonio_> ScottK: I looked at the packaging, looked okay for me
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: if it did, we're in string freeze so we probably couldn't change it
[15:12] <ScottK> Tonio_: I really have to sweat the copyright/licensing stuff.
[15:12] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hmm, ok
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> plus langpack deadline is today, so nobody'd be able to translate a changed string even if everybody would
[15:13]  * JontheEchidna goes out to exercise teh dog for a bit
[15:16] <ScottK> Tonio_: LGPL files in the package and no copy of LGPL.
[15:17] <ScottK> Tonio_: I think best leave it for a backport.
[15:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: right, let's just fix mlt then
[15:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: there is a second little package for mlt, mlt++
[15:19] <Tonio_> 57k of code
[15:19] <ScottK> yes, we want them both if we take one.  Use the same bug.
[15:19] <Tonio_> kk
[15:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: looks good
[15:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: by the way, freior plugins will it my ppa perfectly :)
[15:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: also honnestly, if the only freior plugins is a missing copying.lib, should we discard this ?
[15:20] <ScottK> OK.  You might want to talk to upstream about putting LGPL in their next release.
[15:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: that's no technical purpose
[15:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: true we have to ping upstream about that
[15:20] <ScottK> Tonio_: It's not legally distributable without it.
[15:21] <Tonio_> ScottK: but probably 30% or our packages have this issue
[15:21] <ScottK> If you want to do a repacked tarball, I'd take that
[15:21] <Tonio_> ScottK: and debian let it in ? :)
[15:21] <ScottK> Tonio_: Not really.
[15:21] <ScottK> They shouldn't have.
[15:21] <Tonio_> I'm okay to rebuild the tarball
[15:21] <Tonio_> any technical concern -> karmic
[15:21] <Tonio_> but a licence file.... would be sad to drop the work for this, really
[15:22] <Tonio_> ScottK: any other comment about the packaging ?
[15:22] <ScottK> My very first package was rejected by Mithrandir for this reason.
[15:22] <ScottK> Tonio_: The LGPL stuff is missing out of debian/copyright too.
[15:22] <Riddell> we reject stuff all the time because it doesn't include a copy of its own licence
[15:23] <ScottK> Tonio_: Look where the package came from, I'm not suprised about licensing not properly looked after
[15:25] <seele> ScottK: i dont see anything about intel drivers in the release notes
[15:25]  * ScottK looks
[15:25] <Tonio_> ScottK: hehe :) well I'll ping upstream and will repack
[15:26] <seele> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/RC/Kubuntu
[15:27] <ScottK> seele: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Performance regressions on Intel graphics cards
[15:27] <ScottK> That's not going to work
[15:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: mlt++ build-deps on latest mlt
[15:28] <ScottK> seele: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes and go down to near the end and see the section on performance regressions
[15:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: Other than licensing, I don't see any problems with freir
[15:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: okay let's go then
[15:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: Do your own check of the files and make sure there aren't any more licenses hidden in there.
[15:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure
[15:30] <seele> argh, i dont understand that section
[15:30] <seele> it looks like if i didnt have problems in intrepid i should have problems now?
[15:30] <Tonio_> find -name "*.c" -exec licencecheck {} \; | awk '{print $2}' | sort -u
[15:30] <Tonio_> ScottK: my prefered command :)
[15:31] <seele> *shouldnt
[15:32] <ScottK> seele: It's a regression from Intrepid.  A bad one.
[15:33] <ScottK> Tonio_: mlt/mlt++ approved.
[15:33] <Tonio_> ScottK: super :)
[15:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: kde bug 169626  if you're interested in flash
[15:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: ouch.... that one sounds hard :/
[15:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not interested in flash but our users do, my friend :)
[15:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: could go with your check on startup as a SRU?
[15:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tend to avoid installing flash myself :)
[15:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, can do that this we, no pb
[15:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: but what happens when there's a really cool video on youtue you just have to watch?
[15:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: atm, I've kdenlive and it's libs in the pipe, and a super beer evening waiting for me :)
[15:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I go on my windows computer :) haha
[15:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: or I boot osx :)
[15:37] <Riddell> super beer eh, that sounds like some good beer
[15:37] <Quintasan> WTF, I have new problem with KGet, it tries to download everything I copy to clipboard
[15:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: traitor!
[15:37] <Tonio_> but yeah, we have to look at those flash issues :/
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I always was a windows user ! long before I went to linux
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I generally consider myself more a windows user than give love to linux :)
[15:38] <e-jat> Tonio_: :)
[15:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: next you'll be boasting about your MCSE qualifications
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I even blog about windows sysadmin even now :)
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I stoped those certifs things, but I used to pass them :/
[15:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: and you can't imagin how important it is to know lots about windows/active directory when it comes to deploy linux :)
[15:40] <Tonio_> I even think (not kiding there) than windows vista is a good operating system...
[15:40]  * Tonio_ hides, but really thinks this true
[15:41] <Riddell> I'm going to post your address on slashdot, see how long it takes for the mob to surround you
[15:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: haha :)
[15:42] <Tonio_> seriously, windows vista is a missunderstood OS, you'll see the benefits of vista when windows 7 is arround !
[15:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: but no worry I'll still be arround you and kubuntu :)
[15:43] <davmor2> Tonio_: Vista isn't misunderstood it's just not complete is the same fashion that windows ME wasn't
[15:44] <davmor2> Which of course mean that 7 will be around for the next 100 years while they think of ways to break it :)
[15:46] <ScottK> rgreening: The post RC kernel upload was in part for you.  Fixed dhcp on lpia.
[15:46] <Tonio_> davmor2: :)
[15:49] <ScottK> Tonio_: mlt accepted.
[15:51] <Tonio_> ScottK: you rock !
[15:52] <ScottK> Will kdenlive need a rebuild after we do mlt/mlt++?
[15:53]  * ScottK is doing an upgrade test currently using the official procedure from the web site.  At ~100kB/S it takes a while ....
[15:54] <Riddell> use a different mirror?
[15:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: shouldn't no
[15:55] <ScottK> Too late now ..
[15:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: but I'll check out to be sure
[15:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: in any case it's never bad to rebuild I guess :)
[15:55] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'm going to wait on mlt++ until after mlt is built and published.
[15:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: yup better than dependancy wait status
[15:56] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'll write the freiOr plugins ffe
[15:56] <ScottK> Or FTBFS and manual retries.
[15:56] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'll push debdiff from debian so that you can see my changes in the repack and copyright file
[15:56] <ScottK> OK.
[15:56] <Tonio_> ScottK: I made the build-dep for 0.3.8 to avoids this ftbfs :)
[15:56] <Tonio_> ScottK: trying to work properly, let's say :)
[15:57] <ScottK> Soyuz will sometime FTBFS on slow archs anyway.
[15:57] <Tonio_> ScottK: ah :/
[15:57] <Tonio_> ScottK: kdenlive might build-dep on freior plugins.... I have to check this
[15:58] <Tonio_> video editing is such a pain with linux that I can't wait to see how good kdenlive can be.... last version is said to rock
[15:58] <ScottK> OK.  We'll wait and only rebuild it once.
[15:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you might want to consider getting proper buildsystems for stuff before you debundle their source from amaroks :P
[15:59] <apachelogger> would make the transition a lot quicker and a lot less painful
[16:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i know :(
[16:02] <seele> hmm.. kpackagekit action icons need tooltips
[16:04] <apachelogger> hm
[16:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: didrocks a ninja?
[16:07] <Tonio_> ScottK: bug 362960
[16:08] <Tonio_> _r1_: quels sont les problemes les plus génants pour toi ?
[16:08] <Tonio_> oups bad window, sorry
[16:08] <apachelogger> what does genants mean?
[16:08] <apachelogger> ~help translate
[16:08] <kubotu> translate to <lang> <string> => translate from en to <lang>, translate from <lang> <string> => translate to en from <lang>, translate <fromlang> <tolang> <string> => translate from <fromlang> to <tolang>. If <string> is an http url, translates the referenced webpage and returns the 1st content paragraph. Languages: en, fr, de, it, pt, es, nl, ru, zh, zt, el, ja, ko. Other topics: cache
[16:09] <apachelogger> ~translate fr génants
[16:09] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help translate'
[16:09] <apachelogger> ~translate from fr génants
[16:09] <kubotu> babelfish doesn't support translation from fr to en
[16:09] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: annoying
[16:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: a collegue of mine, who I asked what where the most anoying with kubuntu for him
[16:10]  * Tonio_ is more efficient than babelfish :)
[16:11] <apachelogger> ah, thx
[16:11]  * apachelogger already was looking for his dict
[16:11] <apachelogger> clearly the intartubes failed that test :P
[16:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: too late for now, but would you let universe kde apps like kdenlive use update-notifier-kde for multiverse packages installation ?
[16:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: in this case -> karmic my todo
[16:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: you'll hate me.... looks like kdenlive doesn't build-dep on freiOr plugins, but mlt does :)
[16:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: testing locally....
[16:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't see why not
[16:19] <Tonio_> oki
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: he participated for one release
[16:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna, rgreening, a|wen: would one of you please look at sponsoring bug 333246
[16:21] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'll just have to reupload mlt with frei0r bulid-dep and that's it, fortunatelly
[16:21] <ScottK> OK.  I didn't accept mlt++, so I'll hold that until after the next upload
[16:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IC
[16:23] <Tonio_> ScottK: currently building locally... no time for doing crap on that point
[16:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: next mlt upload requires freior plugins upload...
[16:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: and therefore your ack
[16:26] <ScottK> Tonio_: There's more LPGL than that one file.  Also I'll need your repacked tarball, diff.gz, and .dsc from somewhere.
[16:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: hu ? that's not what licencecheck reported to me...
[16:27] <ScottK> Tonio_: licensecheck -r *|grep -c LGPL says 4 for me.
[16:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum right I just did the .c files....
[16:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: tired I am...
[16:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'll repack then :/
[16:30]  * apachelogger loves how firefox always eats up all the resources his box got
[16:46] <Tonio_> ScottK: just got mlt to build against freior.... now fixing freior packaging
[16:46] <ScottK> OK
[16:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: dget -u http://planetemu.net/temp/frei0r_1.1.22git20090409+repack-1ubuntu1.dsc
[16:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: fixed package with copyright according to the 4 files...
[16:54] <ScottK> Looking
[16:54] <Tonio_> thanks
[16:54] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'll fix the version to 0ubuntu1...
[16:55] <ScottK> Tonio_: Ask iulian to look at your FFe on #ubuntu-motu while I review.
[16:56] <ScottK> Tonio_: You presumably don't want frei0r-plugins-dev in the build-dep.
[16:57] <Tonio_> did I do that ? rahhhhhh I was working on 3 packages at the same time.... bad tab
[16:57] <Tonio_> tabs are dangerous sometimes :/
[16:57] <Tonio_> ScottK: that build-dep is of course for mlt.... fixed here
[16:58] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:03] <ScottK> Tonio_: Other than that, I think it's good.
[17:03] <Tonio_> kk
[17:04] <Tonio_> waiting for uilian then :)
[17:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: thinking about it there are lots of apps that could/should make use of that update-notifier suggestions....
[17:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: k3b aswell, for lame and so on
[17:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: and really the way we've done that with jaunty, the small notification, make it very nice, not agressive at all
[17:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: users will appreciate I guess :)
[17:12] <ScottK> Tonio_: You also missed the maintainer change
[17:12] <Tonio_> which ?
[17:12] <Tonio_> ah.... yeah right, indeed
[17:12] <Tonio_> that bureaucraty in packaging is a pain sometimes.....
[17:13] <ScottK> Yes, but it's for a good purpose.
[17:13] <Tonio_> especially when you're already smashed with quilt to fix patches.....
[17:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: can you reject please I'll reupload :/
[17:13]  * ScottK isn't a quilt fanboy either.
[17:13] <ScottK> Sure.  It takes a few moments to appear.
[17:15] <Tonio_> kk I'm there, package ready to upload
[17:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: I agree package normalization is very good, but it makes the "think of everything" very difficult....
[17:16] <ScottK> Yes, it also makes this rushing about a bit risky.
[17:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: especially for the bureaucraty stuff :) I'm more focussed in fix the patches and make the binaries nice :)
[17:16] <ScottK> Being legal and keeping our major upstream happy are sometimes painful, but I think worth the effort.
[17:17] <Tonio_> totally agree
[17:17] <a|wen> ScottK: i'll take a look at the psi one
[17:17] <Tonio_> but painfull though :)
[17:17] <ScottK> Tonio_: I see a mlt upload, but not freir
[17:17] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks.
[17:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: should appear in a moment
[17:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: kdenlive shouldn't need rebuild....
[17:17] <ScottK> OK
[17:18] <ScottK> Just test it after ....
[17:18] <Tonio_> ScottK: but I think rebuilding is always no risky at this point, and probably will reupload if you don't mind
[17:18] <Tonio_> ScottK: it works here, but it's hard to test everything....
[17:18] <ScottK> I don't.  The buildds aren't that stressed.
[17:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: I think you should see freior now.... I got the mail
[17:19]  * ScottK looks
[17:19] <ScottK> Not yet
[17:20] <Tonio_> hu ?
[17:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: just reuploaded kdenlive
[17:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: the thing for you is to approve in this order :
[17:21] <ScottK> OK.
[17:21] <Tonio_> prior-plugins > mlt > mlt++ > kdenlive
[17:21] <Tonio_> ScottK: sorry for beeing a pain with you today :) but kdenlive becomes an important app in the kde world :)
[17:22] <ScottK> Tonio_: No problem.  I'd tell you to wait if I didn't think it was worth it.
[17:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: this update-manager thing, I think we should have a spec for karmic and a wiki page for the apps we should patch to use it....
[17:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can see several of them...
[17:26]  * Tonio_ notes for the UDS
[17:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: we should think about what specs we want for karmic generally
[17:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure that, that was just an idea among others
[17:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we do specs about what we don't want too ? ;)
[17:46]  * Tonio_ looks ScottK, hides and runs away....
[17:47] <Tonio_> just kidding :)
[17:47] <ScottK> I'm sure there is a way to frame our wants in a positive way.
[17:49] <Tonio_> ScottK: sorry for this, we're on friday, I'm tired, and I have to go for my friday(s beer :)
[17:49] <Tonio_> bad joke of the day, let's say...
[17:50] <ScottK> No problem.
[17:56] <ScottK> NCommander: Would you please rescore frei0r on hppa and ia64.  It's the first of 4 packages that need to build sequentially and I'd like to get going ....
[18:10] <a|wen> ScottK: psi uploaded
[18:24] <joshjtl> do i need something in particular to get amarok to play my flac audio?
[18:26] <joshjtl> ok, I can't play flac on Amarok
[18:31] <Mamarok> joshjtl: I can
[18:33] <Mamarok> but that's a question for #amarok rather than here
[18:34] <ScottK> Riddell: I just did a intrepid-updates, but no intrepid-backports upgrade and gwenview got held back due to libkipi not getting swapped out.  I think we need something for that in update-manager.  I'll file a bug and you can chat with mvo about it.
[18:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Bug 363022
[18:56] <siekacz> hi
[18:57] <siekacz> i have a strange error in kpackagekit
[18:58] <siekacz> The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[18:58] <siekacz> kubuntu 9.04 RC
[19:31] <Lure> Riddell: is bug 358576 something we can get through before release?
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, Tonio_: Do you think you could sponsor kdemultimedia bzr for bug 361035?
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> meh @ X crashes
[20:04] <Quintasan> crap, anyone has problems with krunner?
[20:21] <a|wen> Quintasan: what kind of problems?
[20:21] <Lure> any testers for bug 358576 - test packages are in my ppa
[20:26] <neversfelde> Lure: I asked the poster of the duplicate bug to test this, he is a user in our forum
[20:28] <Lure> neversfelde: thanks
[20:28] <Lure> more testers we get, more likely that release team considers it
[20:29] <neversfelde> no problems with digikam here so far
[20:30] <Lure> just report to bug
[20:30] <neversfelde> I need special pictures to reproduce this?
[20:31] <Lure> neversfelde: yes, but also checking exif/iptc/xmp tags is great, to ensure that there are no obvious regressions
[20:34] <neversfelde> I should learn to use digikam before :)
[20:43] <Lure> slangasek, pitti: is new bug-fix exiv2 too late for jaunty? - bug 358576 - it fixes crashers for digikam users
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> translations are looking nice again :)
[21:58]  * JontheEchidna knows enough spanish to get around fairly well
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> brb, logging out for full spanish effect
[21:59] <rickspencer3> ScottK Tonio_ hi
[21:59] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Hi.  I think Tonio_ is out for the evening.
[22:00] <rickspencer3> oko
[22:00] <rickspencer3> I just wanted to follow regarding our UDS talk
[22:00] <ScottK> OK
[22:00] <rickspencer3> we decided that the community sessions needed more time to get submitted and stuff, until after Jaunty shipped
[22:01] <ScottK> Has there been a request for input yet?
[22:01] <rickspencer3> not yet, that's what I'm saying
[22:01] <rickspencer3> and there won't be for a while
[22:02] <rickspencer3> I did get a lot of input from partner's, but the community input will be later
[22:02] <rickspencer3> I just wanted to close the loop with you guys before the weekend, as we had discussed it a couple of days ago
[22:04] <ScottK> If I were in a grumbly mood, I'd notice that Canonical has had internal offsites to discuss the next release, has (I find now) solicited inputs from its business partners for the next release, but still has not asked the Ubuntu development community for input.
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> How're translations doing for everyone else?
[22:08] <Sput> ScottK: good thing you're in a splendid mood then :)
[22:08] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:08] <rickspencer3> ScottK: what's your theory about why I may have talked to internal partners first?
[22:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Everything is in English nicely for me.
[22:08] <rickspencer3> :)
[22:09] <ScottK> rickspencer3: None, just putting community input last is consistent with my other complaints.  There may well be perfectly good reasons for it that are unrelated.
[22:10] <rickspencer3> well, in fact, it was not prioritization related in the least
[22:10] <rickspencer3> I just find that non-technical folks often need some help expressing their needs to engineers, but mostly ...
[22:10] <rickspencer3> most of them don't get to go to UDS, so unlike the community members, they have no say in the selection process
[22:11] <ScottK> As I said, it may well be unrelated.
[22:11] <Sput> commercial--
[22:12] <ScottK> But considering the amount of community input into the major desktop initiative for Ubuntu/Jaunty, I'd just like to know that community input is actually wanted.
[22:12] <ScottK> rickspencer3: I think it's a mis-characterization of UDS Mountain View to say that the community had input into the Ux design.
[22:13] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[22:13] <ScottK> Of course I only know that for hearsay because the notfications session wasn't remotely accessible.
[22:13] <ScottK> The way it's been described to me is they gave a presentation.
[22:15] <jtholmes> does anyone know if CTRL + ALT + Backspace failure has been reported dont want to report again
[22:16] <ScottK> jtholmes: It's by design.  It's an upstream change.
[22:16] <ScottK> jtholmes: There's a config option in systemsettings to turn it back on.
[22:16] <jtholmes> ohhhhh, so what took it place if anything
[22:16] <jtholmes> ok
[22:16] <jtholmes> will look at it thx
[22:22] <ScottK> Riddell: re the gwenview upgrade issue above, mvo has it fixed already.
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/jauntytranslations.png
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> Even quickaccess, which only had it's config dialog available for translation a week ago, is translated for Spanish
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> aww, QuickAccess didn't get translation for German though, which should be expected
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> At least it's fully translated in Brazillian Portuguese, French, Spanish and Swedish
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> (And 66% translated in Simplified Chinese)
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> Not bad for one week's notice, at least it's an upstream issue that caused it
[22:49] <quassel208> is there there in jaunty a * GoogleGadgets  <http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/>  lib of this ?
[22:59] <quassel208> quite great the apt-get build-dep command as help to compile kde from trunk