[01:26] my pc was smoking [01:50] wow.. upgraded to jaunty and i can't launch any kde apps [01:51] * etank puts on the brakes of his kubuntu install then [01:52] * seele sighs [01:52] this happens every release for me [01:52] why do i do this on my work laptop [02:21] seele: I did several upgrades here and they all went fine, is kubuntu-desktop installed? [02:22] kubuntu live session would not connect to my WPA network [02:22] trying xubuntu now and it works fine [02:24] etank: install knetworkmanager instead of plasma-widget-networkmanager, last one seems to work fine for me, but not for everyone :) [02:27] neversfelde: yes. kde loads, i just can't start any kde apps [02:27] i can use firefox and oo though [02:27] kde apps seem to start to load and then die [02:27] the widgets in my panel work [02:27] seele: mhh, whats the output on cl ? [02:28] neversfelde: what is c1? [02:28] command line [02:28] tty1? [02:28] open konsole and start a programm [02:29] i can't open konsole [02:29] i cant start any kde applications [02:29] open xterm ;) [02:29] yes [02:29] hold on, i have to install it [02:29] I'm sure it *was* installed by default some time ago [02:30] i'm sure it's not installed now [02:30] I never had that problem, konsole was always usable until now :) [02:30] * tsimpson has vague memories of no xterm breaking KDM [02:31] seele@Takochi:~/Documents$ konsole [02:31] konsole: symbol lookup error: /opt/kde-nightly/lib/kde4/plugins/styles/oxygen.so [02:31] : undefined symbol: _ZNK6KStyle26standardIconImplementationEN6QStyle14StandardPi [02:31] xmapEPK12QStyleOptionPK7QWidget [02:31] (19506)/: Communication problem with "konsole" , it proba [02:31] bly crashed. [02:31] Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not re [02:31] ceive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " [02:31] uhm [02:31] hmm [02:31] kde-nightly? you should remove [02:32] yeah.. although i wasn't in kde-nightly so i dont know why it was trying to run kde-nightly apps [02:33] is LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to anything? [02:33] or QT_PLUGIN_PATH [02:33] or KDEDIRS [02:35] * neversfelde is off [02:36] uninstalling kde-nightly and restarting kde.. mom.. [02:36] 'night neversfelde [02:37] ah hah.. it seems like kde-nightly was the problem [02:37] phew [02:38] a bunch of other people have been using nightly i wonder why they didnt have that problem [02:38] do not use it in a productive environment :) [02:38] gn8 [09:16] Tonio_: bug #349728 doesn't look critical to me; I would call this feature work, and not appropriate at this stage of the freeze, so I'm going to reject the kdebase upload [09:16] Tonio_: the fix for 354768 seems like it could be critical, but the bug in question was triaged to low, so probably not? [09:17] Launchpad bug 349728 in adobe-flashplugin "Adobe Flash Player installer doesn't refresh Konqueror's plugins" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349728 === dpm_ is now known as dpm [09:49] slangasek: for the first, I agree it is not critical, and probably more feature stuff than bug :) [09:50] slangasek: concerning the second, that's a real issue... dunno why it's been triaged [09:50] slangasek: fair if I reupload another kdebase with just that second fix ? [09:50] Tonio_: if you think the impact of the bug is severe enough to warrant it, yes [09:50] I think JontheEchidna did the triaging, right? [09:51] slangasek: afaics it's not him... JontheEchidna asked me yesterday if I could upload ;) [09:52] hmm, the bug log certainly shows his hand, but maybe 'low' means something different to him than it does to me. ;) [09:54] probably :) [09:54] slangasek: so another upload then ? can do that right now [09:54] yes, that's ok with me [09:54] let's go [09:59] slangasek: uploaded [10:02] Lure: you should have latest polkit-qt, policykit-kde and k3B on my ppa [10:02] Riddell: on that point, it seems like backporting k3b for jaunty will not be that easy as we need to also backport policykit and polkit-qt [10:03] and that's fairly sensible as it also manages kpk :/ [10:10] Riddell / ScottK: does bug 348662 look fit for an FFE ; or is the upstream changes too invasive? [10:10] Launchpad bug 348662 in kile "Kile consequently forgets some shortcuts on close" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348662 [10:17] a|wen-: hum doesn't look like ffe for me, but yeah the debdiff has a few changes in it... :) [10:20] Tonio_: there is a bit moving around needed for the shortcut definitions, so look of more than it is, but still ... I'll just let it wait for karmic then; hopefully a final version will arrive to backport over the summer :) [10:21] a|wen-: you should try to push it anyway, and see what motu-release thinks about this [10:21] a|wen-: or ping ScottK directly:) [10:23] Tonio_: already pinged him above ... hopefully he will appear when the timezones match [10:23] yup :) [10:39] a|wen-: ug, big patch [10:41] Riddell: it's not the smallest one ... they change from using their own hacked-together shortcut saving mechanism to use the build-in one in kdelibs [10:46] a|wen-: I'd trust your judgement on it. It's a bugfix and generically I think moving to a libs provided function is good. [10:47] So ack from me for upload if you think it's a good change. [10:53] ScottK: the moving away from using their own hack did seem like a major improvement ... the change seem very robust here as well as with the reporters [10:54] a|wen-: go for it then [10:55] uploaded! [11:10] slangasek: kdebase reuploaded fyi [11:10] Tonio_: yep, thanks [11:41] http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/ [11:46] ScottK: did you add your ack to the bug? === a|wen- is now known as a|wen [12:58] a|wen-: I didn't write in the bug, but I can. It's OK to upload when you're ready. [12:59] ScottK: okay; thought i needed it in the bug for the archive admins to see ... it's already up [13:00] Yes, except I'm an archive admin. Let me look. [13:01] ScottK: then that of course helps [13:03] Tonio_: The last kaffeine upload FTBFS on all archs. Does you upload fix that? [13:09] a|wen: Accepted. Thanks. [13:10] ScottK: thx [13:10] ScottK: yes, it also fixes the ftbfs [13:10] ScottK: just a missing build-dep [13:12] Excellent. [13:12] ScottK: I wouldn't upload quickly at this stage without testing locally :) [13:12] an ftbfs is acceptable during the dev cycle, but not during the final freeze :) hehe [13:12] Tonio_: Accepted. Of course. I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't at least ask though. [13:13] ScottK: sure ;) [13:18] * Riddell dances a happy dance [13:18] jtholmes: do you remember that folderview has a big red cross on it bug? was there a bug number? [13:21] Riddell, as my memory serves me, no just the red cross no number in on or around it [13:23] ok I'll report one [13:28] bug 362895 [13:28] Launchpad bug 362895 in kdebase "on live CD folderview can show big large red X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362895 [13:30] Tonio_: ping [13:30] what's the status of your kdebase changes? [13:33] Riddell: the konq plugins patch was rejected by slangasek, since more a feature change than bugfix [13:33] Riddell: the second patch for dolphin got approved [13:33] Riddell: I let the konq patch in bzr for instance, but it might not go in jaunty -> karmic [13:35] Riddell: so I reuploaded a ubuntu4 without my patch, and updated bzr with the unreleased ubuntu5 stuff including my konqueror patch [13:41] Tonio_: ok I'll reject your upload, add in my patch for folderview and reupload [13:42] kk [13:43] Riddell: hum then we'll ahve a problem in bzr since you'll also have to drop my patch from there :) [13:43] Riddell: I'll keep the patch offline, just drop from bzr === Tscheesy_ is now known as Tscheesy [13:52] Tonio_: don't worry, I'll work around it [13:52] Riddell: just received a mail from kdenlive upstream about the last upload [13:53] Riddell: he notices we have a pretty old version of libmlt [13:53] Riddell: kdenlive is the only reverse dep on it, so I wondered if an update for it would be interesting... [13:53] slangasek: any opinion on this ? [13:53] Tonio_: It's in Universe .... [13:54] ScottK: hum right, so your opinion then :) [13:54] ScottK I'd go for it, as no other reverse dep... [13:54] with an FFE of course :) [13:54] Did he say why he was concerned? [13:55] ScottK: cause some features might break with an outdated version [13:55] see bug 362489 [13:55] Launchpad bug 362489 in kdenlive "kdenlive needs frei0r and updated mlt" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362489 [13:55] ScottK: kdenlive is becoming one of kde's key apps, I'd really like to have it as stable and good working as possible [13:56] ScottK: we already miss k3b... I don't want to miss the point with kdenlive :) [13:56] OK. As long as you give it some good testing, I think we should update. [13:56] lett's go [13:58] oh [13:58] Riddell: would you mind pushing bug 355308 through? [13:58] Launchpad bug 355308 in amarok "amarok stopped scrobbling to last.fm" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355308 [13:59] now that RC is released [13:59] hmm.. getting some weird painting problems in kde app widgets [14:00] seele: Intel video? [14:00] ScottK: ah.. yeah. i guess there is a problem with the driver? heh [14:00] * seele hasnt been paying attention the past few weeks [14:01] school crunch :( [14:02] seele: See the RC release notes. You have choices and no one choice works best for everyone [14:04] JontheEchidna: looking [14:09] hiho [14:11] * seele . o (people actually read the release notes? :) [14:12] uhm.. where are the release notes? [14:12] JontheEchidna: uploaded [14:12] why on earth update-manager-kde is in gnome section? [14:12] Riddell: Thanks. I have a few more bugfixes for ktorrent and kdemultimedia that I have in the works [14:13] 14:12 < pitti> Riddell: hm, do you think the patch in bug 355308 is bullet/regression proof? [14:13] Launchpad bug 355308 in amarok "amarok stopped scrobbling to last.fm" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355308 [14:13] JontheEchidna: ^^ [14:14] I would not be 100% sure. [14:14] JontheEchidna: how sure are upstream? [14:15] Markey recommended (tm): [14:15] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188678#c27 [14:15] KDE bug 188678 in general "amarok 2 stopped scrobbling to last fm since 31rd March" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [14:15] * Quintasan wonders why NumLock on startup option in System Settings still doesn't work [14:17] JontheEchidna: expect other changes to receive similar scrutiny [14:17] * JontheEchidna nods [14:18] the kdemultimedia is pretty straightforward [14:18] dragonplayer jumps ahead 10 milliseconds in it's "jump 10 seconds" function [14:19] lol? [14:20] Do we have a package for new Minirok? [14:20] is there any ppa known for 180.44 on intrepid to test if this fixes kde4 bugs as mentioned [14:21] JontheEchidna: Did you see the kopete patch I pointed to yesterday? [14:21] oh yeah, I knew there were a few things people pointed me to. That was one of them [14:21] * JontheEchidna sees if it is still in his chat buffer [14:22] KDE bug 175687 [14:22] KDE bug 175687 in Notifications "[PATCH] kopete ignores custom notifications" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=175687 [14:23] That one. [14:23] Dunno how important it is, I don't use kopete. [14:26] on that note, there seem to be rumblings of fixing persistent notifications [14:27] Riddell: ScottK: regarding plasma-widget-network-manager and encrypted wirelessodniWkp [14:27] rickspencer3: Works here. [14:28] ScottK last week we discussed the large number of bug reports [14:28] rickspencer3: We left knetworkmanager on the DVD to we'd have an alternate install media that had it available for people who couldn't make the widget work for them. [14:28] Riddell: JontheEchidna: lfranchin (our last.fm guy) said it is ok [14:28] i asked him yesterday [14:28] * Tonio_ really, really, really, really, really, really, really, reallty *<<>>* [14:28] that's said, once and for all... [14:28] rickspencer3: I suspect this is release notes material. [14:28] * Nightrose wonders how much Tonio_ hates Quilt on a scale from 1 to 10 :D [14:29] Nightrose: 14, at least.... [14:29] * ScottK counts 8 [14:29] haha [14:29] this thing is just as complex as git to use, just for a one line patch I have 7 commands to type in.... [14:30] why the hell don't we still use that really nice and simple dpatch or simple-patchsys :'( [14:30] Tonio_: you can just put the patch file in place and edit the series file [14:30] that's all I ever do [14:30] Riddell: cause when you have to edit the patch, that's not possible :/ [14:30] ScottK, Riddell, you guys going to the release meeting? [14:30] I'll be there. [14:31] Riddell: cdbs-edit-patch or dpatch made it easy to simply edit a patch on the fly [14:31] yes [14:31] our Feedback page is empty so far, I wonder if that's a good sign or no [14:31] Riddell: plus using "diff" sounds to me like "back in the middle age", but stop this is because of quilt, the super tool that made you manually use diff :/ [14:32] * Tonio_ backs to quilt, as he needs to finish mlt package [14:32] * JontheEchidna knows how to edit existing patches [14:32] prey for me guys ! [14:32] quilt push -a [14:32] JontheEchidna: yeah me too :) [14:32] oh, ok. It's just not straightforward? [14:33] JontheEchidna: you miss the export [14:33] then quilt push -a [14:33] quilt top my_stupid_patch [14:33] edit [14:33] qui refresh [14:33] quilt pop -a [14:33] Riddell: plasma-widget-network-manager is one of the first topics [14:33] JontheEchidna: honnestly, that sucks, really [14:33] hi sabdfl [14:34] howdy [14:37] ScottK: ever heard about the other package kdenlive upstream mentions ? [14:37] Tonio_: No. [14:37] We should look into that for Karmic and the backport it. [14:37] ScottK: probably more optional than mlt basically, so I'll discard this to karmic [14:37] yes [14:37] ScottK: yup, my concern too [14:37] Riddell: have you guys release noted the plasma-widget-network-manager related issues at all? [14:37] * Tonio_ notes that his karmic todo is already full of things [14:38] ScottK: is you'd wanna test the latest k3B, including latest policykit-kde and polkit-qt, all is on my ppa, ready to rock for karmic :) [14:38] Tonio_: I'm having trouble getting my Jaunty TODO and $WORK done already. [14:38] rickspencer3: for the plasma networkmanager, were you talking about topics for the uds ? [14:39] Tonio_: nope [14:39] Jaunty [14:39] rickspencer3: kk so about jaunty, it "globally" works, but is still unfinished in the options (no way to correctly set vpn params) [14:39] some users have some problems getting online with encrypted wireless access points [14:39] rickspencer3: also there are issues on the wpa2 side afaik [14:40] Tonio_: right [14:40] lots of users reporting bugs [14:40] ScottK just said that it's "release note material" [14:40] rickspencer3: and upsteam isn't really active anymore on that point since it's developped by suse, and the commit come along with opensuse's releases... [14:40] I agree with that, I'm just asking if the release notes have been done? [14:40] Not by me. [14:40] rickspencer3: not by me either... [14:40] Riddell: ? [14:41] no, I can do that now [14:41] Riddell: thanks! [14:41] it looked like some users had success using GNOME NM [14:41] ooh: http://rdieter.fedorapeople.org/kdebase-runtime-4.2.2-persistent_notify.patch [14:42] grrr, I just removed my main bar form Konq, how do I get it back? [14:42] hehe, a little hack caused the problems. What a surprise === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [14:43] I suppose it'd be a bit late to go back to the kpackagekit notification now.... [14:44] Riddell: would it be appropriate to include the above notification patch into our packages? === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [14:44] JontheEchidna: I don't understand the problem [14:44] JontheEchidna: is it that notifications don't timeout? [14:44] Riddell: persistent notifications aren't persistent [14:45] they time out [14:45] JontheEchidna: got an example? [14:46] The KPackageKit notification, which we disabled for that very reason [14:46] I doubt we'd be able to go back to the KPK notification system this late into things, but... [14:46] bug 342017 [14:46] Launchpad bug 342017 in kdebase "kpackagekit update notification tray icons disappear after only a few seconds" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342017 [14:47] I think it also affects kopete popups, which are persistent [14:47] well, should be persistent, but aren't [14:48] kopete popups never disappear for me [14:48] which is quite annoying [14:48] also powerdevil notifications [14:48] they disappear fine [14:48] * Quintasan also thinks Kopete notifications should stack (but this is scheduled to 4.3) [14:50] Apps with custom timeouts use the persistent notifications [14:50] * ScottK notes kubuntu.org still says "Latest update: 9.04 Beta ready for testing" [14:51] so if persistent notifications don't work, timed timeouts don't work either: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177154#c4 [14:51] KDE bug 177154 in notifications "Plasma notification style ignores some parameters in KNotification::event" [Normal,New] [14:52] ScottK: fixed [14:53] JontheEchidna: has this been removed in svn? [14:53] Riddell: not yet, but aseigo did author that patch [14:53] and rdieter did confirm it to work [14:54] mm well, should be ok then [14:54] expect to be grilled by pitti though :) [14:55] :) [14:55] * JontheEchidna switches to verbose changelog mode by setting the -v flag [14:55] JontheEchidna: test it yourself then give us a debdiff [14:55] yeah, we'd definitely want to test this one [14:56] Riddell: Thanks. === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [14:57] * Quintasan noticed that translations started to work [14:57] thanks to the one who did that :) [14:58] ScottK: we would also need this for kdenlive : http://packages.debian.org/fr/sid/frei0r-plugins-dev [14:58] ScottK: still okay for an FFE according to you ? new package is less harmfull than update imho :) [14:59] True. [14:59] Let me look at it. [14:59] thanks [14:59] ScottK: mlt packaged, writing the FFE [14:59] OK. [15:00] * ScottK decides to upgrade the kid's computer while they are at school .... [15:00] Computer stuff here is rather the reverse of most households. [15:03] hmm.. the image in the logout menu is still stretched.. i thought there was a fixed one in kde [15:03] at least neon had a menu that the image wasnt stretched in [15:04] ScottK: bug 362931 [15:04] Launchpad bug 362931 in mlt "FFE mlt 0.3.8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362931 [15:04] hey miss seele :) [15:04] Tonio_: You tested, right? [15:04] with kdenlive ? it won't complain anyomre, yes [15:05] ScottK: and I didn't get a super crash at creating a little video :) [15:05] OK. [15:05] ScottK: but saying I tested everything ? no that would be lying, of course :) [15:05] seele: I think that's only fixed in 4.3 [15:08] Riddell: could you, perchance, take a glance at bug 359008? [15:08] ScottK: still possible to request a sync from debian for freior-plugins or better go the FFE way and upload manually ? [15:08] Launchpad bug 359008 in ktorrent "Crash with SIGABRT after marking 26 upload torrents and clicking "Start"" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359008 [15:08] * JontheEchidna is a poet [15:09] Tonio_: Get an FFe. I'll take care of getting it in, but let me review it first and make sure we could accept it from an archive admin perspective. [15:10] ScottK: pushing you the source package then, then write the FFE [15:10] ScottK: thanks for being this reactive :) [15:10] I can get the package from Debian. Not a problem. [15:11] ScottK: great [15:11] bug 361950 I wonder if this still occurs [15:11] ScottK: I looked at the packaging, looked okay for me [15:11] Launchpad bug 361950 in plasma-widget-network-manager "[jaunty] typo in status message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/361950 [15:12] Quintasan: if it did, we're in string freeze so we probably couldn't change it [15:12] Tonio_: I really have to sweat the copyright/licensing stuff. [15:12] JontheEchidna: hmm, ok [15:12] plus langpack deadline is today, so nobody'd be able to translate a changed string even if everybody would [15:13] * JontheEchidna goes out to exercise teh dog for a bit [15:16] Tonio_: LGPL files in the package and no copy of LGPL. [15:17] Tonio_: I think best leave it for a backport. [15:19] ScottK: right, let's just fix mlt then [15:19] ScottK: there is a second little package for mlt, mlt++ [15:19] 57k of code [15:19] yes, we want them both if we take one. Use the same bug. [15:19] kk [15:19] JontheEchidna: looks good [15:20] ScottK: by the way, freior plugins will it my ppa perfectly :) [15:20] ScottK: also honnestly, if the only freior plugins is a missing copying.lib, should we discard this ? [15:20] OK. You might want to talk to upstream about putting LGPL in their next release. [15:20] ScottK: that's no technical purpose [15:20] ScottK: true we have to ping upstream about that [15:20] Tonio_: It's not legally distributable without it. [15:21] ScottK: but probably 30% or our packages have this issue [15:21] If you want to do a repacked tarball, I'd take that [15:21] ScottK: and debian let it in ? :) [15:21] Tonio_: Not really. [15:21] They shouldn't have. [15:21] I'm okay to rebuild the tarball [15:21] any technical concern -> karmic [15:21] but a licence file.... would be sad to drop the work for this, really [15:22] ScottK: any other comment about the packaging ? [15:22] My very first package was rejected by Mithrandir for this reason. [15:22] Tonio_: The LGPL stuff is missing out of debian/copyright too. [15:22] we reject stuff all the time because it doesn't include a copy of its own licence [15:23] Tonio_: Look where the package came from, I'm not suprised about licensing not properly looked after [15:25] ScottK: i dont see anything about intel drivers in the release notes [15:25] * ScottK looks [15:25] ScottK: hehe :) well I'll ping upstream and will repack [15:26] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/RC/Kubuntu [15:27] seele: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Performance regressions on Intel graphics cards [15:27] That's not going to work [15:28] ScottK: mlt++ build-deps on latest mlt [15:28] seele: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes and go down to near the end and see the section on performance regressions [15:29] Tonio_: Other than licensing, I don't see any problems with freir [15:29] ScottK: okay let's go then [15:29] Tonio_: Do your own check of the files and make sure there aren't any more licenses hidden in there. [15:29] ScottK: sure [15:30] argh, i dont understand that section [15:30] it looks like if i didnt have problems in intrepid i should have problems now? [15:30] find -name "*.c" -exec licencecheck {} \; | awk '{print $2}' | sort -u [15:30] ScottK: my prefered command :) === fenris- is now known as e-jat [15:31] *shouldnt [15:32] seele: It's a regression from Intrepid. A bad one. [15:33] Tonio_: mlt/mlt++ approved. [15:33] ScottK: super :) [15:35] Tonio_: kde bug 169626 if you're interested in flash [15:35] KDE bug 169626 in general "flash movies sometimes render white with Flash Player 10 rc" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169626 [15:35] Riddell: ouch.... that one sounds hard :/ [15:36] Riddell: I'm not interested in flash but our users do, my friend :) [15:36] Tonio_: could go with your check on startup as a SRU? [15:36] Riddell: I tend to avoid installing flash myself :) [15:36] Riddell: sure, can do that this we, no pb [15:37] Tonio_: but what happens when there's a really cool video on youtue you just have to watch? [15:37] Riddell: atm, I've kdenlive and it's libs in the pipe, and a super beer evening waiting for me :) [15:37] Riddell: I go on my windows computer :) haha [15:37] Riddell: or I boot osx :) [15:37] super beer eh, that sounds like some good beer [15:37] WTF, I have new problem with KGet, it tries to download everything I copy to clipboard [15:37] Tonio_: traitor! [15:37] but yeah, we have to look at those flash issues :/ [15:38] Riddell: I always was a windows user ! long before I went to linux [15:38] Riddell: and I generally consider myself more a windows user than give love to linux :) [15:38] Tonio_: :) [15:38] Tonio_: next you'll be boasting about your MCSE qualifications [15:38] Riddell: I even blog about windows sysadmin even now :) [15:38] Riddell: I stoped those certifs things, but I used to pass them :/ [15:39] Riddell: and you can't imagin how important it is to know lots about windows/active directory when it comes to deploy linux :) [15:40] I even think (not kiding there) than windows vista is a good operating system... [15:40] * Tonio_ hides, but really thinks this true [15:41] I'm going to post your address on slashdot, see how long it takes for the mob to surround you [15:41] Riddell: haha :) [15:42] seriously, windows vista is a missunderstood OS, you'll see the benefits of vista when windows 7 is arround ! [15:42] Riddell: but no worry I'll still be arround you and kubuntu :) [15:43] Tonio_: Vista isn't misunderstood it's just not complete is the same fashion that windows ME wasn't [15:44] Which of course mean that 7 will be around for the next 100 years while they think of ways to break it :) [15:46] rgreening: The post RC kernel upload was in part for you. Fixed dhcp on lpia. [15:46] davmor2: :) [15:49] Tonio_: mlt accepted. === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [15:51] ScottK: you rock ! [15:52] Will kdenlive need a rebuild after we do mlt/mlt++? [15:53] * ScottK is doing an upgrade test currently using the official procedure from the web site. At ~100kB/S it takes a while .... [15:54] use a different mirror? [15:55] ScottK: shouldn't no [15:55] Too late now .. [15:55] ScottK: but I'll check out to be sure [15:55] ScottK: in any case it's never bad to rebuild I guess :) [15:55] Tonio_: I'm going to wait on mlt++ until after mlt is built and published. [15:55] ScottK: yup better than dependancy wait status [15:56] ScottK: I'll write the freiOr plugins ffe [15:56] Or FTBFS and manual retries. [15:56] ScottK: I'll push debdiff from debian so that you can see my changes in the repack and copyright file [15:56] OK. [15:56] ScottK: I made the build-dep for 0.3.8 to avoids this ftbfs :) [15:56] ScottK: trying to work properly, let's say :) [15:57] Soyuz will sometime FTBFS on slow archs anyway. [15:57] ScottK: ah :/ [15:57] ScottK: kdenlive might build-dep on freior plugins.... I have to check this [15:58] video editing is such a pain with linux that I can't wait to see how good kdenlive can be.... last version is said to rock [15:58] OK. We'll wait and only rebuild it once. [15:59] Nightrose: you might want to consider getting proper buildsystems for stuff before you debundle their source from amaroks :P [15:59] would make the transition a lot quicker and a lot less painful [16:00] apachelogger: i know :( [16:02] hmm.. kpackagekit action icons need tooltips [16:04] hm [16:04] JontheEchidna: didrocks a ninja? [16:07]