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pittihello14:58
ScottKHello.14:59
fader_Howdy14:59
robbiewhi14:59
henohey15:00
sbeattiehey15:00
mdzhello everyone15:01
davidbarthhi15:01
* pgraner o/15:02
rickspencer3hi15:02
cjwatsonhi15:02
rickspencer3pgraner: I was thinking of filing a critical RC bug: desktop background has no bunny15:03
rickspencer3but I figured slangasek wouldn't find it too funny15:03
* robbiew calls slangasek15:03
slangasekhere15:04
loolwee15:04
robbiewhey15:04
robbiew:)15:04
* lool hugs slangasek and hands a good cup of RC coffee to him15:04
pittihey slangasek, good morning15:05
slangasekmorning :)15:05
* robbiew adds an espresso shot to slangasek's good cup 15:05
pgranerrickspencer3: dooh!15:05
mdzslangasek: good morning15:06
slangasekRiddell, dendrobates, Hobbsee: ping?15:06
dendrobatesslangasek: o/15:07
Hobbseetemporary pong!15:07
* ScottK thinks Riddell is busy scribbling release notes.15:08
slangasekok, hi all :)15:08
slangasek#startmeeting15:08
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slangasek[TOPIC] Outstanding actions15:08
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slangasekone outstanding action from last week:15:09
slangasek * rickspencer to follow up with Kubuntu team regarding state of plasma-widget-network-manager and encrypted wireless15:09
ScottKThus my thought Riddell is busy scribbling release notes.15:09
slangasekrickspencer3: did you find anything there?15:09
rickspencer3yes15:09
rickspencer3I follows up with the Kubuntu team last week15:10
rickspencer3they discussed the issue, and it's obviously not easy to fix15:10
rickspencer3the result is that they are documenting the workaround on their release notes15:10
rickspencer3they are also including knetworkmanager on the alternate install CD for users who need to go that route15:10
ScottKalternate CD/dvd15:10
rickspencer3right15:10
rickspencer3thanks ScottK15:10
slangasekok, thanks15:11
rickspencer3slangasek: ack on ScottK's theory, I believe Riddell is writing the release notes as we speak15:12
cjwatsonScottK: it only seems to be on the DVD right now15:12
slangasekas I said in the email, with the RC shortly behind us I didn't try to produce an exhaustive list of RC bugs in the agenda15:12
ScottKcjwatson: Yes.  That's the intent.15:12
slangasek[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+bugs?field.milestone=220215:12
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cjwatsonScottK: oh, you meant s/CD/DVD/ then?15:12
rickspencer3cjwatson: sorry, I mispoke15:12
cjwatsonI thought by "alternate CD/dvd" you meant both15:13
ScottKNo.  Sorry.  Too much brevity.  Intead of.15:13
mdzslangasek: is there a version of that list which shows assignee?15:13
slangasekbut that link above gives the entire set of bugs that are currently marked as targeted and milestoned for final; if there are other things your team is working on for inclusion in final, *please* make sure that they get targeted/milestoned ASAP for tracking15:14
slangasekmdz: I'm not aware of one15:14
mdzheno: don't you produce a milestone report which provides a more complete summary?15:15
slangasek[TOPIC] QA team15:15
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slangasek(we'll just hand the floor to heno then)15:15
Hobbseemdz: there is, but it's not easy to get at, and i remember it involves constructing URLs15:15
mdzI swear I've seen it15:15
pittimdz: the +milestone page, I bet15:16
pittithat doesn't have packages15:16
Hobbseemdz: look up the previous releases of release notes.15:16
henomdz: not sure what you're referring to15:16
pittimdz: (re "list with assignee")15:16
mdzpitti: this was an HTML report of the style the QA team makes15:16
slangasekthere's the milestone page (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.04), but there's no way to filter that by targeted bugs15:16
robbiewsounds like an LP bug to me15:17
* mdz makes a note for 9.1015:18
cjwatson(arbitrary columns in bug pages: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/78608)15:18
ubottuUbuntu bug 78608 in malone "Allow specifying arbitrary columns in bug listings" [Low,Triaged]15:18
henofader_: can you report on HW testing?15:18
fader_Current status: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html15:18
fader_Servers are looking quite good.  We did a round of manual laptop testing that uncovered a number of bugs, which are reflected on the status page.15:18
fader_The bugs themselves are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptops15:18
fader_Several laptops were not tested due to a power issue, but cr3 has resolved that and will be doing a final test on those as well15:18
fader_cr3 is also working to narrow down when those bugs on the laptops were introduced and should have more information on that shortly15:19
heno(we should be able to make a more useful milestone view, yes)15:19
fader_Also, for reference, we have the list of manual testing for netbooks on the wiki here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Netbooks15:19
slangasek[LINK] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html - hw testing status15:20
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html - hw testing status15:20
slangasek[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptops - bugs from manual laptop testing15:20
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptops - bugs from manual laptop testing15:20
slangasek[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Netbooks - results of netbook manual testing15:20
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Netbooks - results of netbook manual testing15:20
henowe're starting ISO smoke testing now15:21
slangasekfader_: I trust the remaining untested/failed hardware is all non-critical, given that there's no room left for a kernel update before final to fix anything...15:22
henostart final testing when candidate images are available next week15:22
henoslangasek: right, we are targeting some for SRUs15:23
slangasekok15:23
henothat's it from QA15:23
slangasekok, thanks15:24
slangaseknothing else to highlight that needs to be escalated for fixing before release?15:24
slangasek[TOPIC] Desktop team15:25
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henono, we've escalated along the way15:25
slangasek(guess not)15:25
pittiAs usual, RC bug status is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus15:25
slangasekheno: great, thanks :)15:25
pittiThe biggest issues we have are with the intel video driver. Lots of fixes went into it already, and at this po15:25
pittiint we won't touch the Jaunty package any more, since any kneejerk patch will only lead to new regressions.15:25
pittiFortunately most of the crasher issues on ReleaseStatus have patches which currently wait testing feedback, so15:25
pitti these look like good SRU candidates.15:25
slangasek[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus15:26
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pittiExcept for one particular case (bug 349992), the bad performance with default EXA is something we are stuck wi15:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 349992 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[945 tiling] Low performance due to no A17 workaround" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34999215:26
pittith for Jaunty.15:26
pittiWith Karmic, -intel 2.7 and kernel 2.6.30 it should all fix itself, but it looks impossible to15:26
pittisolve with the Jaunty versions.15:26
pittihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes documents workarounds for both the crashes and the bad pe15:26
pittirformance, and at least we don't know about systems any more where the driver doesn't work at all, so I think15:26
pittiit's "good enough" for the release.15:26
* pitti apologizes for the broken line endings; how come that copy&paste works that bad?15:26
mdzpitti: can you provide a link to the test packages?  I'd love to try fixes for the freeze issue15:27
pittimdz: they are all linked from the bug reports15:27
mdzpitti: 359392?15:28
pittimdz: that doesn't have one yet, I'm afraid15:28
pitti"greedy" might help15:29
mdzpitti: that seems to be the worst one15:29
rickspencer3pitti: mdz: also try         Option "EXAOptimizeMigration" "off"15:29
slangasekpitti: 277589> that doesn't need thorough debugging, I think it just needs you and I to have a conversation about the right place to put the fdi bits so that they're applied in the right order; (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/277589/comments/51) still not for final, but maybe for SRU?15:29
ubottuUbuntu bug 277589 in hotkey-setup "sony brighness on a geforce series older than 8 (nvclock works fine)" [Undecided,Fix released]15:29
pittimdz: the mitigation here is likely to revert some intel related patches in mesa 7.415:29
pittislangasek: oh, nice15:31
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pittislangasek: lets talk about this off-meeting then15:33
slangasekindeed15:33
slangasekanything else to say about intel?15:33
pittiyes, but it wouldn't be constructive, nor decent15:33
ScottKNot that's consistent with the CoC.15:33
slangasekmm :)15:33
slangasek[TOPIC] Mobile team15:34
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loollist of specs and bugs on our radar:15:34
lool[link] <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap>15:34
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loolcurrent high-level status per topic:15:34
rtgpitti: http://www.advogato.org/person/mjg59/diary.html?start=20315:34
lool- UNR: a small pile of medium or minor bugs in netbook-launcher, maximus, and desktop-switcher will be addressed in SRUs; more Intel regressions; need to recommend a Windows image writing tool, currently following various strings (OEM's usb-creator fork); need to propagate info on supported netbooks, system reqs, and installation procedure to {www,help}.ubuntu.com; there was a last minute fix to d15:34
loolisable multiverse and install ubuntu-standard, which I've underlined a key testi15:34
loolng point to the team15:34
lool- armel netboot images: ixp4xx tested post RC (testing started too late and takes 8 hours), versatile passed15:34
lool</fail>15:34
lool- MID image is as good as usual15:34
lool- armel iMX51 Babbage: good shape, appart of the general hardware/kernel issues15:34
lool- VFP: all merged except cairo; cairo changes sent to Debian, but relatively large (rules rewrite); I'm writing a less intrusive version but this might miss 9.04 and perhaps be added as SRU15:34
lool- lpia: we didn't spot the lack of DHCP during the alternate install, new kernel was uploaded to address this; otherwise good shape15:34
lool- armel: good shape15:34
loolslangasek: I think davidm and you should spend some time preparing the part of the announcement related to ARM stuff for final15:35
slangasekyes15:35
loolPerhaps that happened already15:35
slangasekthis morning I'm drafting an announcement to send to u-d-a about ARM RC; will pass that by davidm and mdz for review ASAP15:36
davidmwe have been do some talking :-/ slangasek might want my head at this point ;-)15:36
loolslangasek: Otherwise, I don't think we want to link particularly to the orion5x and iop32x flavors, but not sure whether the current publications are automatic or not, in which case it's fine15:37
slangaseklool: ixp4xx post-RC> all the same, it's linked from the netboot page now, and before the ARM announcement has gone out, so all's well15:37
loolthe former being untested and the latter not good enough15:37
cjwatson... what orion5x flavour? I thought we disabled that15:38
cjwatson(and somebody was complaining that we didn't have it on #ubuntu-devel the other day ...)15:38
loolcjwatson: Yes, somebody was complaining but I couldn't reply that we simply had no tester for it15:39
loolAnd that person had left already15:39
slangaseklool: cairo> I think I dropped the milestone from that bug because it didn't look SRU-y to me, are you still considering this?  (if so that's fine, I guess it'll pop back up for discussion when it's ready)15:39
loolcjwatson: I /think/ I saw the netboot kernels at some place15:39
loolslangasek: Let's see how acceptable you find the changes when looking at the diff15:39
lool(for cairo)15:40
* slangasek nods15:40
cjwatsonlool: I'm pretty sure I disabled the d-i build for it15:40
cjwatson(it broke)15:40
* ogra likes to correct ixp4xx numbers, testing takes 11h+15:40
loolcjwatson: I think that was an additional image, but ICBW15:40
loolcjwatson: I see it disabled in ./build/config/armel.cfg, probably just my imagination15:41
slangaseklool: even if the cairo patch is up in time, I'm unlikely to try squeezing that in for final, FYI15:41
loolslangasek: Ok15:41
slangaseklool: is there anything else on your radar that should be gotten in for final? bug #338148, maybe?15:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 338148 in vnc4 "Needs new version from Debian: fails to build with removal of mesa-swx11-source" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33814815:42
loolNo, that's ok; it's just to port more packages, but we don't seed it by default15:42
slangasekah, didn't see that bug title before I linked to it; seems unlikely15:42
* slangasek nods15:42
slangasekanything else?15:43
loolNot from me, happy to take more questions15:43
slangasekno other questions here, thanks15:43
* ogra likes to point out that usb-imagewriter is in universe now15:43
ograon multiple requests15:43
slangasekdavidm: oh, is it settled now whether ARM is going in the u-a mail for final?15:43
davidmslangasek, not quite yet, will be shortly15:44
slangasekok15:44
slangasek[TOPIC] Kernel team15:44
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davidmthere was a meeting that interfered with getting that resolved.  Sorry.15:45
pgranerslangasek: Kernel is in the can.... barring any show stoppers15:45
slangasekwe've had a late kernel upload as mentioned above, fixing DHCP for lpia and also fixing one of our ext4 bugs; things appear to be going smoothly there for its lateness, we should have test images available with that kernel on them by late today15:45
pgranerslangasek: ack15:46
slangasekotherwise, as you say there shouldn't be more kernel activity before final - is there anything we need to discuss about jaunty SRU?15:46
pgranerslangasek: rtg was planning a SRU upload next week to -proposed15:46
slangaseksounds good15:46
rtgpgraner: I'm planning to smb do the upload :)15:47
slangasek:)15:47
rtgs/to/to have/15:47
pgranerslangasek: I'll be going thru the hw failures and get them lined up for SRU as well15:47
slangasekexcellent15:47
pgranerslangasek: nothing else from kernel15:47
slangasekplease make sure bugs that are aimed at SRU get targeted to jaunty, as this significantly reduces the bits the SRU team has to push around when processing them15:48
pgranerslangasek: WILCO15:48
slangasekpgraner, rtg: thanks15:48
slangasek[TOPIC] Foundations team15:48
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cjwatsonISO testing was pretty busy for (some of) us last week, fielding issues as they came in15:49
cjwatsonwe have a reasonably respectable list of installer bugs for post-RC; this is basically all in the can now, modulo archive acceptance15:49
cjwatson(he says, tapping the release button on oem-config)15:49
slangasek:)15:49
cjwatsonupgrade tests are mostly OK now that the python issues have been dealt with15:50
cjwatsonthere've been a few reports of usb-creator problems, which may need an upload, but haven't talked with Evan about that yet15:50
cjwatsonwe seem to be getting good reports of boot speeds at the moment :-)15:51
slangasekthere was a post-RC accept of a change regarding the rtinstall script, to make sure byte-compilation gets done for python2.6 even if 2.6 isn't listed in supported; any sign of regressions there?  the change seemed moderately risky to me15:51
cjwatsonbug 271962 is my only concern, really; that seems to have been dropped on the floor. Probably an SRU deal though since no fix is known yet15:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271962 in consolekit "VT-switching from X returns you to X the first time" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27196215:52
slangasekright15:52
cjwatsonslangasek: Michael's going to do a test battery with today's archive15:52
slangasekok, excellent15:52
cjwatsonthat's all I'm aware of; anything I'm missing?15:53
slangaseknothing I know of15:53
slangasekthanks15:54
cjwatsonoh, I forgot about bug15:54
cjwatson36046015:54
cjwatsonbug 360460 (sorry)15:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 360460 in debian-installer "Alternate install fails with "Pleas insert disk ..."" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36046015:54
cjwatsonI think that might be a dmraid-only deal, but I'm going to carry on investigating that; not a stop-ship yet, just a worry15:54
slangasekincomplete> guess I shouldn't wait for that before uploading d-i for the new kernel, in any case15:54
cjwatsonno, I'm just about to upload d-i now15:54
slangasekah15:54
slangasek[TOPIC] Server team15:55
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slangasekdendrobates: hi15:55
dendrobates slangasek: hi 2 things.15:55
dendrobatesfirst pitti brought it to my attention the likewise-open-gui is not in any seed15:56
dendrobatesand will therefore drop out of main.15:56
slangasekyeah, saw the email on that; it was accidentally unseeded in kirkland's run, I meant to ask you where you wanted it put back15:56
dendrobatesI don't feel it is my call to decide if a gui tool is in main15:56
slangasekwell, ok15:56
slangasekthen pitti can tell us :)15:56
pittierm?15:56
pittiI have never seen it15:56
pittidendrobates: so, if you don't know/want it, let's drop it15:57
dendrobatesI thnk it is good for ubuntu, but I think the desktop team needs to decide if they wnat it.15:57
dendrobatesok15:57
dendrobatesalso, kirkland is working on some post-rc kvm bugs.15:57
slangasekyes, there was an upload in the queue that I kicked back at him; is there a revised upload yet?15:58
dendrobatesslangasek: he spoke with oyu and you were uncertain about  one of the fixes.15:58
kirklandslangasek: i can split the one controversial one out15:58
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slangasekok15:58
kirklandslangasek: i'll upload without the fix you questioned15:58
kirklandslangasek: however, that one fix is the most critical one, in our opinion15:58
kirklandslangasek: i see your point about regression chances, however15:58
kirklandslangasek: and i won't argue with you on that point :-)15:59
slangasekcritical, but higher-risk; if you can give me assurances that it's safe...15:59
slangasekotherwise, it's fine for SRU when we have more time to bake it15:59
dendrobatesslangasek: we will work on providing that assurance.15:59
ScottKSpeaking of which, slangasek I'd like to discuss after the meeting exactly how much of the clamav update you'll let me get away with.15:59
slangasekdendrobates: ok - if we can get there, I can always un-reject the upload16:00
slangasekScottK: yep16:00
dendrobatesthat's all from us, I think we're in pretty good shape.16:00
slangasekgood to hear :)16:00
slangasekthanks16:00
slangasek[TOPIC] MOTU16:00
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kirklandslangasek: i'm uploading with that one patch still in the package, but left out of the debian/patches/series file16:01
ScottKI think we're in decent shape.16:01
ScottKMy biggest concern continues to be the Python transition.16:01
ScottKWe're mostly through the "won't install due to Python 2.6" problems.16:01
slangasekwe're down to just the one python transition bug on the milestone list; are there more bugs thought to be hiding?16:01
ScottKSo now we're getting the "doesn't work due to Python 2.6 problems"16:01
slangasekkirkland: that will only make it more awkward to do a sensible review of the SRU later...16:02
ScottKIt's mostly latent stuff I'm worried about.  I've done several uploads myself yesterday and today for this reason.16:02
kirklandslangasek: ok16:02
ScottKMostly the bugs are easy to fix, but I expect a busy SRU season.16:02
pittistuff like "as" identifiers?16:03
ScottKThat was one.16:03
slangasekScottK: <nod> understood16:03
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ScottKAnother is support for Gopher was removed.16:03
ScottKWe actually had a package that supported it.16:03
pittiright, I remember fixing a package for that as well16:03
cjwatsonwe really need to work on automatic scans for this sort of thing16:03
cjwatsonpython language changes aren't going away16:03
pittipython-mechanize AFAIR16:03
ScottKmd5/hashlib is a deprecation warning, but I've seen it cause test suite failures.16:04
ScottKWe'll just have to work through it.16:04
cjwatsonthe documentation processors changed, which broke something that was using python's old documentation processor16:04
slangasekScottK: I notice the round of bugs that did get filed for universe FTBFS haven't gotten much attention; I was thinking to 'wontfix' those for jaunty, on the theory that if no one's looked at them yet they probably aren't going to get SRU attention and so don't need to be tracked, but can be reopened if someone is keen later16:04
ScottKSpeaking of which, I think we ought to have some sessions at UDS on lessons learned from Jaunty.16:04
cjwatsonI had to make something build-dep on python2.5-dev for that16:04
robbiewScottK: good idea16:05
slangasekScottK: in reference to python, or more broadly?16:05
ScottKslangasek: I think we've done the easy ones.  I'd push them to jaunty-updates instead of wontfix, but your call.16:05
ScottKslangasek: More broadly, but Python is high on my list.16:05
* slangasek nods16:05
ScottKI think it is something we should do every UDS.16:05
slangasekwill you coordinate with robbiew to get those sessions on the agenda?16:05
robbiewperhaps every track should have a "Lessons Learned: session16:05
ScottKI think that's sensible.16:06
robbiewslangasek: I'll take the action16:07
ScottKMy only other comment is that we're being fairly liberal about pushing stuff through to get features synchronized.16:07
slangasek[ACTION] robbiew to get "lessons learned from Jaunty" scheduled for UDS16:07
MootBotACTION received:  robbiew to get "lessons learned from Jaunty" scheduled for UDS16:07
slangasekScottK: is that a cause for concern?16:08
ScottKAlso since this is the last pre-release meeting, I'd like to note that having a motu-release member who also have the archive-admin button in LP has seemed to me to be very helpful this cycle.16:08
slangasekor just fair warning to us? :)16:08
ScottKslangasek: Just fair warning.16:08
slangasekarchive-admin button> yep, glad to see that happening16:08
ScottKI'm confident we're making stuff better, just some of the change is large.16:09
pittiScottK: indeed, thanks for helping out with that16:09
slangasekthough I wouldn't have the patience to have to download the packages locally in order to diff them :/16:09
pittislangasek: queuediff FTW :)16:09
slangasekpitti: does that not still download?16:09
ScottKslangasek: That's been a huge pain.  queuediff wil be a great help.16:09
pittislangasek: sure, it has to, but in most cases jsut the two diff.gzs16:09
slangasekunless you've created a remote diffing service when I wasn't looking, the whinge stands :)16:09
pittiI have used it a lot today, and it's fairly quick16:10
pittiin most cases quicker than q fetch / mdebdiff16:10
slangasekI guess that will vary by connection speed. :)16:10
pittislangasek: yeah, it's a pain for native/new upstream release16:10
slangasek[TOPIC] Known regressions16:10
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slangasek[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=regression-potential16:10
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pittibut I don't see how this can be helped with in principle, short of soyuz producing the diffs itself16:10
ScottKWhich it ought to be able to do ....16:11
slangasekso, this is the last time we'll look at this URL for jaunty; next Thursday, all the regression-potential bugs roll over to regression-release16:11
slangasekmany of these are already targeted; any that aren't already in progress are pretty certainly not candidates for further updates before final, though16:11
slangasekwe probably want to mine the remaining items on that list for release notes candidates; any volunteers to help with that?16:12
cjwatsonthe ssh/gnome-keyring issues have been a huge pain; I've been getting lots of reports misfiled on openssh for that (both here and in Debian)16:12
cjwatsonis gnome-keyring likely to get fixed?16:12
cjwatson(usual symptom is something like "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key")16:13
slangasekhadn't seen that16:13
slangasekbug ref?16:13
loolcan't delete keys from agent, all keys are loaded in agent etc. I guess16:13
slangasekthere was a gnome-keyring update on the 13th; are these problems from before or after?16:13
pittiit's been ages since I've seen that (hardy timeframe)16:14
loolPerhaps I'm mixing unrelated issues, but I see a pile of complaints that g-k forces itself to act as an agent and doesn't work as well as it should be16:14
pittislangasek: bug 34812616:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 348126 in seahorse "ssh are using ssh-userauth but ignores private key" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34812616:15
cjwatsonlool: that's certainly what I'm thinking of16:15
slangasekseahorse, not g-k?16:15
pittiit has no useful reproduction steps, though16:15
cjwatsonseahorse used to be a problem; the recent cases I've seen were gnome-keyring, though16:16
slangasek"please attach your private key to this bug"16:16
slangasek:/16:16
pittislangasek: g-k is right, seahorse task is invalid16:16
slangasekok16:16
loolIt's not the place to have a discussion about keeping g-k as a ssh agent or not, let's have this for karmic, but we could at least work on making it a real replacement16:16
cjwatsonerr, sorry, I seem not to have an Ubuntu example to hand right now, Debian #524018 is one16:16
ubottuDebian bug 524018 in openssh-client "openssh-client: ssh-agent as started by xsession can't use keys" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/52401816:16
cjwatsonbut that's a reasonable example of the sort of thing I've been getting reports of in Ubuntu too16:16
loolRight, the fact we start ssh-agent in almost all Xsessions is the reason I asked upstream to auto disable the SSH components when an agent is already running16:17
slangasekok; do we need to escalate that with seb128, and figure out what to do with it post-release? (either for karmic or in SRU)16:17
lool(I simply suggested to check SSH_AGENT stuff in the env, but upstream told me to disable it in GConf)16:17
slangaseklool: heh, rather missing the point of "auto" disabling...16:18
loolYeah I think it was missing the point of distro needs versus user needs   :-/16:19
pittiI'll ask seb/robert to triage it and get a reproduction recipe16:19
cjwatsonthanks16:19
slangasek[ACTION] pitti to ask seb/robert to triage the gnome-keyring "can't use keys" problem16:19
MootBotACTION received:  pitti to ask seb/robert to triage the gnome-keyring "can't use keys" problem16:19
slangasek[TOPIC] ISO size16:20
MootBotNew Topic:  ISO size16:20
slangasekthis is mostly a footnote, since our CD sizes shouldn't be changing very much before final16:20
slangasek... which means, if you *are* uploading something for consideration for final, please make sure the size difference for your package is sane16:20
pittislangasek: (done)16:20
slangasekwe had one upload that was going to add 800K to the install size of a seeded package... that got rejected16:21
slangasek[TOPIC] Release notes16:21
MootBotNew Topic:  Release notes16:21
slangasekthere are probably many items that should still get documented in the notes between now and release16:21
pittislangasek: yeah, kwwii has a new image (jpg now) which reduces package size by 600 KB16:21
pittihaven't looked at it yet16:22
slangasekremember that you can nominate bugs for mention in the release notes by opening a task on the ubuntu-release-notes project; please use this liberally16:22
slangasek(and ask your teams to do so as well)16:22
slangaseknominating bugs for the release notes is not a promise to draft the text (though we appreciate help there :)16:22
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB16:23
MootBotNew Topic:  AOB16:23
slangaseklast call for jaunty! anything else?16:24
cjwatsonthere are some ubuntu-archive bugs still open; I'll be trying to finish making a pass through all of them today (not necessarily taking action on them all)16:24
cjwatsonanything filed there after today will need special notice to #ubuntu-release16:24
slangasek#endmeeting16:27
MootBotMeeting finished at 10:27.16:27
slangasekno need to let the clock run out ;-)16:27
robbiewthnx16:27
slangasekthanks, folks16:27
pittithanks anyone16:27
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