[00:20] For some reason *server isn't connecting automatically when i plug in the eth cable. [02:18] How would i access a server that i have right next to me through PuTTy ? [02:18] stargazer, you can use ssh perhaps [02:19] Right, but how do i know what to go to ? [02:19] The Host Name for example. [02:20] assuming computer A is what you want to access, and computer B is what you are using now, i would isntall putty on computer B, and openssh server on computer A, then in putty you connect to the hostname of computer B and it'll ask for login info [02:20] http://unixwiz.net/images/putty-openssh-3.gif <-- see that for an example [02:21] http://myweb.csuchico.edu/images/putty_config.gif [02:33] ouch, just got bit by the inode ratio change on lenny [03:33] mattt: what is that, I haven't heard of it. [03:33] mattt: are you talking about ext3's number of blocks per inode? [04:22] I need to make a clone of my ubuntu installiation....Wht tools to use...Partimage? [04:25] rags: clonezilla is nice (it's based on partimage) [04:26] rags: it depends how much you want to "clone". [04:26] Do you want to clone at the disks' block layer? At the filesystem layer? Merely the list of installed applications and debconf preferences? [04:28] I want an exact clone...so block layer I guess... [04:28] I want a backup disk...so tht if anything goes wrong with this one I can just plug in the backup and get the server up. [04:29] If it's for business continuity (disaster recovery), you probably want a filesystem-level backup. [04:29] so basically an exact clone... [04:29] That is, all the files stay the same, but they might be arranged differently PHYSICALLY on different blocks on the backup disk's filesystem. [04:29] ya..tht'll do.. [04:29] rags: well this is why I ask what you mean by "exact". [04:30] kk...as long as it boots up fine. [04:30] rags: are you backing up over network, or to an external HDD, or what? [04:30] no...both are internal [04:30] sata drives... [04:31] rags: ah, OK, in that case you might want RAID. [04:31] rags: are you aready using RAID? [04:31] no [04:31] RAID1 makes two (or more) disks block-level identical. [04:32] This means that either disk can die without the system breaking. [04:32] this is preparatin for raid actaully....I will be RAIDing it next..but I want a backup b4 tht... [04:32] Ah, OK :-) [04:32] If it's just a temporary backup, probably you want a quick-and-dirty hack. [04:32] If the temporary backup disk is the same size, you can just dd the entire disk from one to the other. [04:33] ya..somthing like tht.. [04:33] it is of the same size... [04:33] partimage won't be faster then dd? [04:33] I'm not familiar with partimage. [04:34] It will only be faster if it doesn't make a block-level backup. [04:34] hmm...k [04:35] So let me just make sure I understand. [04:35] This is so tht if I mess up with RAID I can still get the server running. [04:35] You have THREE disks, and want to backup up the first one to the third. Then you're going to remove the third disk and make the first and second disks into a RAID1. [04:36] yup... [04:36] exactly [04:36] OK, that's fine. [04:36] Just remember that once dd finishes, you should remove the third disk before you boot again. [04:37] Ubuntu will get confused if you have two disks with the "same" filesystem on them -- it might boot from the wrong disk. [04:37] this will be exact clones right...with the same UUID's... [04:37] Exactly [04:38] k...great..thx...I'll use dd. [05:31] _volatile [05:31] ubottu: volatile [05:31] Sorry, I don't know anything about volatile [05:32] Is there any equivalent to volatile.d.o for Ubuntu LTS? [05:32] e.g. clamav definitions [05:49] twb: I'm not sure, but can't you use upstream for definitions? [05:49] JanC: I *could*, but then I would be using whatever filthy upstream has, not Ubuntu's nicely integrated whatever [05:50] Another example (which still amazes me) is that libpurple (pidgin) is in volatile. [05:50] Apparently because the AIM client needs to change regularly or something [05:50] libpurple is in ubuntu main AFAIK ;) [05:51] JanC: volatile is still main [05:51] volatile is like security; it's an extra repo on top of the stable repo [05:51] Ubuntu doesn't have "volatile" [05:51] only -updates [05:51] I wonder if hardy-updates is actually the same as lenny/volatile [05:51] maybe [05:52] more or less, to some extent, etc. ;) [05:52] policies are different I think [05:52] -backports exists too [05:53] but for virus definitions, I don't think either Debian or Ubuntu changes anything [05:55] unless they have a dedicated AV-team of at least 5-6 people, which I doubt ;) [05:58] backports would correspond to b.p.o [05:59] (Actually if it was up to me clamav wouldn't even be ON this box, since the only clients are also Ubuntu, and one of the two sites is not connected to the internet.) [06:05] Hmm, http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso used to work. Now it is a 404. [06:05] Where do old desktop .iso's move to? [06:06] eh, 8.04 should still work [06:08] twb: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04.2-desktop-i386.iso [06:08] there is an updated iso [06:09] And if I don't want an updated ISO? [06:10] I have filesystem-level diffs against the original .iso [06:10] twb: ;) [06:10] http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ [06:10] I'm hoping for something like vault.cen- thanks [06:12] heh, it looks like one of the two sites I currently have, is working from 8.04.1. [06:16] * mattt is in love w/ monit and nagios [07:02] !info monit [07:02] monit (source: monit): A utility for monitoring and managing daemons or similar programs. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:4.10.1-3 (intrepid), package size 261 kB, installed size 696 kB [07:02] !info nagios [07:02] Package nagios does not exist in intrepid [07:07] I am trying to setup RAID1 , am following a howto...it says "If your system has RAID support, you should have a file called /proc/mdstat"...but I don't have this file..does'nt ubuntu have support for RAID? [07:51] rags: What howto are you refering to? [07:52] rags: if you don't have any RAID set up, there's no module loaded, so there's no /proc/mdstat [08:16] Enter text here...hi [08:18] morning all [08:19] was wondering what ftp server people tend to recommended, need something simple and secure :) [08:19] vsftp [08:20] soren: thanks, i got recommended that by someone else too... looks like the best choice :) [08:24] me uses pureftpd [08:25] I like how it has puredb, for setting up virtual users easily [08:25] humm ok, let me explain further [08:26] so we have a website, news site, and want people to be able to upload photos to their account via ftp. We have the harvesting system (Drupal's media mover) to import the data from an anon drop box, but i wanted to see if i could set up the ftp server so that users couldnt see each others uploads. [08:26] The upload is only likely to be in the box for a few mins, but still. [08:27] mornin all [08:27] would disabling get be enough? [08:28] a_c_m: not sure, they still be able to do a 'ls' I think, no ? [08:28] humm true [08:28] seeing the filenames is /slightly/ less of an issue [08:28] can't you set up multiple separate directories for every user? [08:29] as users might get confused if they see their work uploaded then cant "see" it [08:29] then collect from */ with drupal ? [08:29] cemc: i can, but we have 5000+ users and more arriving every day [08:29] not all will want to use ftp drop [08:29] so [08:30] a_c_m: pureftp has this thing called an upload script, which gets called after a file is uploaded, maybe you can do something with that [08:30] humm [08:31] or maybe you could try something with umask, so when a user uploads a file, he can't see it anymore, like chmod it to 0600 for drupal only, or something like that [08:31] (that will confuse users tho) [08:31] right [08:31] humm [08:31] i think thats probably the way to go [08:32] you will have ftp user for every user, or one ftp user for all ? [08:32] one for all probably anon [08:32] drupal knows who owns the file by an unique token they put on the end of the file [08:32] e.g. mypicture.jpg.uaf3f12 [08:33] so there are no users in drupal either? [08:33] no, in drupal each user has an accoutn [08:33] then maybe you could hack a select for pureftp to get the user and pass for a user from the drupal database [08:34] and with some extra table you can set up ftp accounts with separat dirs or something [08:34] just some wild ideas :) [08:34] ceme: yeah may come to that... but atm im going for the fastest solution :) [08:34] i think just disable downloads and chmod the file once its uploaded should do the trick [08:36] a restrictive umask should do it [08:37] a_c_m: another idea: not sure if you have antivirus support, or what kind of files will be uploaded there. with pureftp you can rig it to scan for viruses in the uploaded file [08:37] jpg's only [08:38] Hello...I am trying to setup RAID 1 on my ubuntu server...I just got another hdd of same size. I am trying to use mdadm. [08:38] cemc: if your interested, the site is called demotix.com :) [08:38] I planned to boot from a live cd and create the arrays...which will hoopefully sync the data...after tht will I be able to just boot into the system.. [08:39] rags: it's a little tricky because you want to RAIDify existing disks [08:39] ther were some documents abt "degraded" raid [08:39] ya... [08:40] twb:existing disks...which include the boot partition... [08:40] I guess I have to mess around with grub.. [08:41] and fstab.. [08:41] rags: not just with grub, you need to update the initrd image to get raid stuff in if I'm not mistaken [08:42] a_c_m: looks pretty decent ;) [08:42] cemc: thanks, one of our images was on the front page of the Guardian newspaper in the UK last weekend :) [08:43] is there no simpler way?...man I thought it will be as simple as just synching the disks...Solaris was way easier... [08:48] rags: this is not Solaris ;) I never actually done what you want to do, so maybe there is another way... [08:52] well found a good how-to...keeping fingers crossed...here if any one interested.. [08:52] http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/RAID-1_in_a_hurry_with_grub_and_mdadm [08:53] cemc:you're right abt the initrd image... [08:57] Sorry, my boss caught me [08:57] rags: what you need to do is create a degraded array, copy the data from the non-RAID disk to the array, then add the original disk into the array [08:57] rags: and you're right, the MBRs need to be handled specially -- most easily by just running grub-install. [08:58] I'm assuming you're doing software RAID, btw. [09:00] twb: yes...usinf mdadm.. [09:03] so it's liking mimicking a failed disk in raid1... [09:06] Right, you start out with a degraded array [09:07] moin [09:09] thx.. [09:40] howdy! I just tried upgrading 8.10 64 bit server install to 9.04 rc. It has a 4 port nic that had a working bond0 eith eth0 and eth2 in it in 8.10 that goes away in 9.04. It seems like 9.04 doesn't like the nic bonding so much [09:43] actually, from the looks of things the bonding module doesn't get loaded by default. [10:25] <_ruben> hrm .. ages ago i managed (up to a point) to rename my vlan interfaces to arbitrary names .. if only i could remember how .. sigh [10:41] _ruben: Back in the olden days, there was a "ifrename" tool. [10:42] _ruben: It's only 5 lines of C, but I don't see any userspace tools to do it anymore, actually. [10:42] udev can do it, but I've not used it to do it to vlan devices. [10:44] <_ruben> soren: udev does seem to be the most appropriate way .. but either my search-fu is lacking, or im the first the try .. im guessing its not the latter ;) [10:58] <_ruben> sweet .. got it to work with udev [10:58] <_ruben> and a pre-up/post-down in interfaces(5) [11:07] _ruben: Can I see? [11:48] <_ruben> soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/152709/ [11:54] _ruben: How do you guarantee that that particular interface is vlan0005? [12:07] <_ruben> pre-up vconfig set_name_type VLAN_PLUS_VID [12:07] <_ruben> pre-up vconfig add bond0 5 [12:07] <_ruben> that oughta be enough (in my experience) [13:19] Does anyone know a way to modify sudo PATH without recompiling sudo? [13:20] can it be set in /etc/sudoers? (edit with visudo) [13:23] Kamping_Kaiser: for some reason ubuntu guys compile sudo with --with-secure-path option: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/192651 [13:23] Launchpad bug 192651 in sudo "hardy sudo path is always reset" [Unknown,Fix released] [13:24] aaah. [13:25] hm, then i wonder if fix was released on 2008-06-12, why doesn't it work in 8.10? [13:27] and 9.04 beta btw [13:27] Because it isn't really a fix to the issue? At least thats how I read it [13:28] i'm following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication and it says to edit /etc/libnss-ldap.conf after installing libnss-ldap, among other things. but there is no /etc/libnss-ldap.conf file anywhere on my server :-/ [13:31] dayo2, iirc it was deprecated a few releases ago [13:46] hm [13:46] Kamping_Kaiser: now what? :-( [13:47] dayo2, you find its new location [13:57] Kamping_Kaiser: i used `locate libnss-ldap.conf` and it came up empty [14:02] good morning, i have a little doubt, a company contacted me to setup a linux server, it basically needs to setup a network security server, i can do it, but i dont know if i can handle M$ user policies whit some ubuntu aplication o if btw i will have to setup a windows server i will not like it so much [14:03] MS User Policies? Can you confirm what you mean by that? [14:06] ropetin: that nasty things that the companies uses to restrain their employes of doing anithing funny whit their computers... [14:06] ;) [14:06] like block some pages, and do they cant install software [14:07] So you will be using Squid or something similar to restrict access? [14:08] yes, but i need to know btw if i cant use some app to create some kind of ad domain without using that nasty OS [14:10] do you understand me? [14:10] the option i think is installing something like vmware and installing the servers on it [14:11] New bug: #362896 in dhcp3 (main) "dhcp3-client fails to run /sbin/dhclient-script with apparmor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362896 [14:11] but i dont wanna use nothing of windows [14:51] is there a page that explains when various point updates to 8.04 will come out? [14:58] Kamping_Kaiser, sure - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule [14:58] 8.04.3 is in July (TBC) [14:58] MagicFab___, cheers [15:20]

: Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Can You tell me please what file should I change? /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname? Thank You! [15:20] jurism: your host name is not fully qualified [15:21] yes, it is ubuntu, how to change to my real hostname? My real hostname is bwap.org [15:21] This may be /etc/mailname, or the combination of the host name in /etc/hostname (loaded on boot) and the FQDN for that hostname in libnss, which usually means /etc/hosts [15:21] <_ruben> the way you send mail is flawed .. sending from www-data@whatever usualy is not what you want [15:21] _ruben: right. [15:22] _ruben: although if it's just the message )from [15:22] _ruben: although if it's just the message (not envelope) from, it doesn't matter so much if it's just panic mail [15:22] 127.0.0.1 localhost bwap.org 127.0.1.1 ubuntu this I have in hosts file [15:23] Cf. cron's mail output "Cron daemon " [15:23] <_ruben> twb: most ppl tend no to not care about mail for www-data@ .. hence it shouldnt be used for envelope from either [15:24] _ruben: my point was that it's not technically wrong, it's just silly if he's trying to send mail to real people, rather than just to himself [15:25] Never mind [15:25] This is from PHP script sent only for me. It worked fine for me, now I changed mailname to bwap.org and e-mail is sent only it is stored in spam folder now :) [15:27] <_ruben> twb: ah ok === MagicFab___ is now known as MagicFab === lamont` is now known as lamont === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [16:32] New bug: #362951 in mtx (main) "Bash completion does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362951 [16:51] Hey there i'm using ubuntu server 8.10 - I'm using a SATA drive and i've downloaded, just partitioned the system and it's asking me to insert another CD [16:51] Ubuntu server 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 [16:51] can someone advise what's going on ? [16:52] it's asking you to insert the install CD [16:53] but its already inserted ? [16:53] then maybe it's damaged, or your CD/DVD drive wasn't properly recognized, or something along those lines [16:53] do you have multiple cdrom devices? [16:53] 1 cdrom drive.. i done a CRC check thing on the CD and it came back 100% [16:53] before installing. [16:53] did you try removing the cd, and reinserting it? [16:53] I just got by the partitiotn manager and it asked me for another CD [16:53] (when it asks you insert it) [16:54] i'm doing that now giovani [16:54] I'd think that would be the first thing to try ... [16:55] well? [16:55] it won't let me eject [16:55] prob because it's in use for the install. [16:55] dr4g > type eject in a console [16:55] unlikely that it's in use if it's asking you to insert it [16:55] ctrl-alt-f2 to get a shell [16:55] during the install [16:55] i will reboot it and try to install again [16:56] thanks [16:56] nope, don't do that yet [16:56] (reboot) [16:56] ok im in busybox [16:56] ok, to type eject [16:56] so* [16:57] tried to use './cdrom' as device name but it is no block device [16:57] unable to find or open device for `cdrom` [16:58] have you tried only 'eject' [16:58] yes [16:58] i typed the eject command [16:58] doesn't work? [16:58] it shows the above output [16:59] sounds like either problem hardware, or a bad cd [16:59] cd is fine [16:59] the cd may not be fine [16:59] will need to test new cd-rom drive then [16:59] the checksum thing came back fine ? [16:59] 100% [16:59] that doesn't assure that the cd doesn't have any issues [16:59] okay [16:59] ls -dl /dev/cdrom [16:59] optical media is extremely unstable [17:05] cd cdrom [17:05] oops [17:05] lol [17:05] wrong keyboard [17:07] ivoks: Nice. [17:07] ScottK: thanks [17:13] giovani back to the install screen again [17:13] i didn't notice what percentage it died at last time. [17:16] worked this time ! [17:16] likely a bad optical read [17:17] nice. just typed in my password and its configuing-apt [17:17] configuring apt [17:17] "scanning the cd-rom.." i just hope it doesn't die here. [17:18] ok giovani this is going to be a development server.. its asking me about updates [17:18] ok? [17:18] do you recommend it to install security updates automatically ? [17:18] or manual. [17:19] dr4g: that would be up to your administration style [17:19] I would never let updates install automatically [17:19] giovani ok thanks. [17:19] but that's me [17:19] i personally wouldnt this is security updates thought not package ones. [17:20] uh huh [17:29] giovani ok i've screwed up grub, i left the box blank hoping it would take the first partition on the first SCSI drive, but it hasn't so i need to go in and hack the grub file. Are you able to advise me on this ? [17:29] left what box blank? [17:29] I don't know what you've done [17:30] the box when it was asking what parition i want grub on [17:30] hd0 kind of thing [17:30] i'm putting the live CD in, and going into the console, is that the way to go editing ? [17:35] ivoks: are you there? [17:37] jmedina: yes [17:37] have you used any bare metal restore in bacula? [17:37] nope [17:38] Im thinking in building a ubuntu livecd with some bacula tools [17:38] that would be nice [17:38] probably only bacula-client and bacula-console-qt, one requirement will be LVM support, raid [17:39] so the only thing I need to use is download config files with proper configs [17:41] i've never looked at bare metal restore [17:41] jmedina i need to install grub again, do you recommend going through the live CD onto the shell ? [17:41] i never backup stuff that i can restore without problems [17:41] like /usr [17:44] ivoks: how do you act in a system disaster? the fastest method to restore complete system, I always used clonezilla for system image backup [17:44] now I want to use bacula [17:45] whats the 'apt' function for doing a search [17:46] jmedina: i reinstall the server [17:46] jmedina: and ther recover from backup [17:46] jmedina: for really critical servers (that can't be 2 hours down), i just set up cluster [17:47] ok, probably I misunderstood, I think you say you dont backup /usr [17:47] dr4g: apt-cache [17:47] jmedina: correct, i don't [17:47] jmedina: i backup /etc /var /srv /home /root [17:47] so you reinstall software/updates bal bla bla that you dont include in data backup [17:48] jmedina: correct, i reinstall server - dpkg --get-selections is very helpfull [17:48] ivoks: another method I was thinking is using bacula with raw partition backups [17:49] there's lvm for that [17:49] lvm snapshot and that's it [17:49] backing up /dev/sda1 (system os) it has a "spare option" wich only backups used data, then I thought, damn Im using lvm :D [17:53] ivoks thanks [17:54] ivoks: when you use lvm snapshot, how do you archive backups [17:54] dd, rsync, tar? [17:55] for linux images I mont snapshot and use rsync + tar which save space [17:55] dd is not an option because space [18:02] ivoks: you just started a meme :P [18:03] anyone know how to add the graphical 'users and groups' tool to ubuntu server? [18:04] assuming I've already installed xorg and a WM [18:04] there's a graphical users and groups tool? [18:04] Smellican: guis aren't supported here [18:04] * Smellican cries [18:04] I would install a Web Interface for that [18:05] Smellican: GUIs massively waste resources, totally not recommended on servers [18:05] I am well aware of what GUIs do [18:05] I am comfortable at the command line [18:05] upper management, however, is not [18:05] well that's why they're not supported [18:05] upper management should use ebox [18:05] and not local GUIs [18:05] !ebox [18:05] ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox [18:06] I'm familiar with ebox [18:06] the admin tool that is part of the desktop edition is what my boss specifically wants [18:06] I figured there must be a package name for it [18:06] gnome system tools [18:06] there may not be -- it may be a part of some huge gnome metapackage [18:07] ah [18:07] that's probably it [18:07] grrr I really don't want to install gnome [18:07] got fluxbox atm [18:07] gnome-system-tools doesn, at first glance, require gnome [18:07] try installing it, and look at the dependencies [18:12] I will [18:12] thank you [18:15] yea it needs gtk of course tho [18:15] ]79 pkgs [18:15] :'( [18:15] o well [18:15] we just use this machine for ftp [18:15] no biggy [18:15] put ftp accounts into ldap [18:16] and manage ldap from whatever computer you want [18:16] not my decision to make [18:17] gnome tools already installing anyway [18:17] ok, now is the time when you should move to #ubuntu :) [18:17] well I have no more questions [18:17] :P [18:17] hehe === sirderigo is now known as sirderigo-epg === sirderigo-epg is now known as sirderigo [19:03] * lamont looks around for someone with phat bandwidth [19:03] ScottK: around? [19:03] lamont: how phat? [19:03] lamont: Yep [19:15] New bug: #363039 in samba (main) "running smbmount with no params segfaults" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363039 [19:17] hello there [19:18] I'm getting an error msg when I try to start mrtg, can you guys help me? [19:32] henriquelm: can only help if you paste the error message (if it's more than 2-3 lines, please use pastebin) [19:32] giovani, thanks, will do [19:34] giovani, http://pastebin.ca/1395160 === mdz_ is now known as mdz [19:35] sounds like a question for #mrtg [19:36] ok, Have tried that already but the channel is almost empty [19:37] you're less likely to find a MRTG guru here :) [19:37] I think I'm setting something wrong on the router [19:39] Hi, hopefully someone can help me I'm setting up courier with mysql support but upon logging in I'm getting a failed login and my logs are showing that the db isn't being asked... [19:39] giovani, thanks anyway [19:39] i've got logs if anyone is willing to help === eressolar is now known as w3wsrmn [19:52] henriquelm: still problems with mrtg+snmp? [19:53] jmedina, yes [19:53] henriquelm: from mrtg machine try: [19:53] snmpwalk -v1 -c public 192.168.2.1 [19:54] Your router is not reponding, probably your snmp agent is not responding in the local network [19:54] if is a ubuntu server [19:54] snmpd by default only listen in 127.0.0.1 [19:54] if you want to allow remote conections you need to chance /etc/default/snmpd [19:55] jmedina, I gonna have to install the snmpwalk here [19:56] henriquelm: yeap snmp-utils [20:00] jmedina, I don't have this folder here /etc/default/snmpd [20:01] jmedina, I will install the snmpd now [20:02] henriquelm: no,well I told you that only if your snmp server you are queryng is linux [20:02] you dont need snmpd to query snmpd servers [20:02] with mrtg+perl modules [20:02] who is 192.168.2.1? [20:02] my snmp server is a wireless adsl2 modem + router [20:03] So i don't need smpd then? [20:03] nop [20:03] ok [20:03] ok and you want to graph from mrtg machine [20:03] ok fist install snmp-utils [20:03] and try the query I post you [20:03]