[00:20] <Stargazer> For some reason *server isn't connecting automatically when i plug in the eth cable.
[02:18] <Stargazer> How would i access a server that i have right next to me through PuTTy ?
[02:18] <vraa> stargazer, you can use ssh perhaps
[02:19] <Stargazer> Right, but how do i know what to go to ?
[02:19] <Stargazer> The Host Name for example.
[02:20] <vraa> assuming computer A is what you want to access, and computer B is what you are using now, i would isntall putty on computer B, and openssh server on computer A, then in putty you connect to the hostname of computer B and it'll ask for login info
[02:20] <vraa> http://unixwiz.net/images/putty-openssh-3.gif  <-- see that for an example
[02:21] <vraa> http://myweb.csuchico.edu/images/putty_config.gif
[02:33] <mattt> ouch, just got bit by the inode ratio change on lenny
[03:33] <twb> mattt: what is that, I haven't heard of it.
[03:33] <twb> mattt: are you talking about ext3's number of blocks per inode?
[04:22] <rags> I need to make a clone of my ubuntu installiation....Wht tools to use...Partimage?
[04:25] <jtaji> rags: clonezilla is nice (it's based on partimage)
[04:26] <twb> rags: it depends how much you want to "clone".
[04:26] <twb> Do you want to clone at the disks' block layer?  At the filesystem layer?  Merely the list of installed applications and debconf preferences?
[04:28] <rags> I want an exact clone...so block layer I guess...
[04:28] <rags> I want a backup disk...so tht if anything goes wrong with this one I can just plug in the backup and get the server up.
[04:29] <twb> If it's for business continuity (disaster recovery), you probably want a filesystem-level backup.
[04:29] <rags> so basically an exact clone...
[04:29] <twb> That is, all the files stay the same, but they might be arranged differently PHYSICALLY on different blocks on the backup disk's filesystem.
[04:29] <rags> ya..tht'll do..
[04:29] <twb> rags: well this is why I ask what you mean by "exact".
[04:30] <rags> kk...as long as it boots up fine.
[04:30] <twb> rags: are you backing up over network, or to an external HDD, or what?
[04:30] <rags> no...both are internal
[04:30] <rags> sata drives...
[04:31] <twb> rags: ah, OK, in that case you might want RAID.
[04:31] <twb> rags: are you aready using RAID?
[04:31] <rags> no
[04:31] <twb> RAID1 makes two (or more) disks block-level identical.
[04:32] <twb> This means that either disk can die without the system breaking.
[04:32] <rags> this is preparatin for raid actaully....I will be RAIDing it next..but I want a backup b4 tht...
[04:32] <twb> Ah, OK :-)
[04:32] <twb> If it's just a temporary backup, probably you want a quick-and-dirty hack.
[04:32] <twb> If the temporary backup disk is the same size, you can just dd the entire disk from one to the other.
[04:33] <rags> ya..somthing like tht..
[04:33] <rags> it is of the same size...
[04:33] <rags> partimage won't be faster then dd?
[04:33] <twb> I'm not familiar with partimage.
[04:34] <twb> It will only be faster if it doesn't make a block-level backup.
[04:34] <rags> hmm...k
[04:35] <twb> So let me just make sure I understand.
[04:35] <rags> This is so tht if I mess up with RAID I can still get the server running.
[04:35] <twb> You have THREE disks, and want to backup up the first one to the third.  Then you're going to remove the third disk and make the first and second disks into a RAID1.
[04:36] <rags> yup...
[04:36] <rags> exactly
[04:36] <twb> OK, that's fine.
[04:36] <twb> Just remember that once dd finishes, you should remove the third disk before you boot again.
[04:37] <twb> Ubuntu will get confused if you have two disks with the "same" filesystem on them -- it might boot from the wrong disk.
[04:37] <rags> this will be exact clones right...with the same UUID's...
[04:37] <twb> Exactly
[04:38] <rags> k...great..thx...I'll use dd.
[05:31] <twb> _volatile
[05:31] <twb> ubottu: volatile
[05:32] <twb> Is there any equivalent to volatile.d.o for Ubuntu LTS?
[05:32] <twb> e.g. clamav definitions
[05:49] <JanC> twb: I'm not sure, but can't you use upstream for definitions?
[05:49] <twb> JanC: I *could*, but then I would be using whatever filthy upstream has, not Ubuntu's nicely integrated whatever
[05:50] <twb> Another example (which still amazes me) is that libpurple (pidgin) is in volatile.
[05:50] <twb> Apparently because the AIM client needs to change regularly or something
[05:50] <JanC> libpurple is in ubuntu main AFAIK  ;)
[05:51] <twb> JanC: volatile is still main
[05:51] <twb> volatile is like security; it's an extra repo on top of the stable repo
[05:51] <JanC> Ubuntu doesn't have "volatile"
[05:51] <JanC> only -updates
[05:51] <twb> I wonder if hardy-updates is actually the same as lenny/volatile
[05:51] <JanC> maybe
[05:52] <JanC> more or less, to some extent, etc.  ;)
[05:52] <JanC> policies are different I think
[05:52] <JanC> -backports exists too
[05:53] <JanC> but for virus definitions, I don't think either Debian or Ubuntu changes anything
[05:55] <JanC> unless they have a dedicated AV-team of at least 5-6 people, which I doubt  ;)
[05:58] <twb> backports would correspond to b.p.o
[05:59] <twb> (Actually if it was up to me clamav wouldn't even be ON this box, since the only clients are also Ubuntu, and one of the two sites is not connected to the internet.)
[06:05] <twb> Hmm, http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso used to work.  Now it is a 404.
[06:05] <twb> Where do old desktop .iso's move to?
[06:06] <JanC> eh, 8.04 should still work
[06:08] <JanC> twb: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ubuntu-8.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[06:08] <JanC> there is an updated iso
[06:09] <twb> And if I don't want an updated ISO?
[06:10] <twb> I have filesystem-level diffs against the original .iso
[06:10] <JanC> twb:   ;)
[06:10] <JanC> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[06:10] <twb> I'm hoping for something like vault.cen- thanks
[06:12] <twb> heh, it looks like one of the two sites I currently have, is working from 8.04.1.
[06:16]  * mattt is in love w/ monit and nagios
[07:02] <MTecknology> !info monit
[07:02] <MTecknology> !info nagios
[07:07] <rags> I am trying to setup RAID1 , am following a howto...it says "If your system has RAID support, you should have a file called /proc/mdstat"...but I don't have this file..does'nt ubuntu have support for RAID?
[07:51] <VK7HSE> rags: What howto are you refering to?
[07:52] <cemc> rags: if you don't have any RAID set up, there's no module loaded, so there's no /proc/mdstat
[08:16] <tbl> Enter text here...hi
[08:18] <a_c_m> morning all
[08:19] <a_c_m> was wondering what ftp server people tend to recommended, need something simple and secure :)
[08:19] <soren> vsftp
[08:20] <a_c_m> soren: thanks, i got recommended that by someone else too... looks like the best choice :)
[08:24] <cemc> me uses pureftpd
[08:25] <cemc> I like how it has puredb, for setting up virtual users easily
[08:25] <a_c_m> humm ok, let me explain further
[08:26] <a_c_m> so we have a website, news site, and want people to be able to upload photos to their account via ftp. We have the harvesting system (Drupal's media mover) to import the data from an anon drop box, but i wanted to see if i could set up the ftp server so that users couldnt see each others uploads.
[08:26] <a_c_m> The upload is only likely to be in the box for a few mins, but still.
[08:27] <Gargoyle> mornin all
[08:27] <a_c_m> would disabling get be enough?
[08:28] <cemc> a_c_m: not sure, they still be able to do a 'ls' I think, no ?
[08:28] <a_c_m> humm true
[08:28] <a_c_m> seeing the filenames is /slightly/ less of an issue
[08:28] <cemc> can't you set up multiple separate directories for every user?
[08:29] <a_c_m> as users might get confused if they see their work uploaded then cant "see" it
[08:29] <cemc> then collect from */ with drupal ?
[08:29] <a_c_m> cemc: i can, but we have 5000+ users and more arriving every day
[08:29] <a_c_m> not all will want to use ftp drop
[08:29] <a_c_m> so
[08:30] <cemc> a_c_m: pureftp has this thing called an upload script, which gets called after a file is uploaded, maybe you can do something with that
[08:30] <a_c_m> humm
[08:31] <cemc> or maybe you could try something with umask, so when a user uploads a file, he can't see it anymore, like chmod it to 0600 for drupal only, or something like that
[08:31] <cemc> (that will confuse users tho)
[08:31] <a_c_m> right
[08:31] <a_c_m> humm
[08:31] <a_c_m> i think thats probably the way to go
[08:32] <cemc> you will have ftp user for every user, or one ftp user for all ?
[08:32] <a_c_m> one for all probably anon
[08:32] <a_c_m> drupal knows who owns the file by an unique token they put on the end of the file
[08:32] <a_c_m> e.g. mypicture.jpg.uaf3f12
[08:33] <cemc> so there are no users in drupal either?
[08:33] <a_c_m> no, in drupal each user has an accoutn
[08:33] <cemc> then maybe you could hack a select for pureftp to get the user and pass for a user from the drupal database
[08:34] <cemc> and with some extra table you can set up ftp accounts with separat dirs or something
[08:34] <cemc> just some wild ideas :)
[08:34] <a_c_m> ceme: yeah may come to that... but atm im going for the fastest solution :)
[08:34] <a_c_m> i think just disable downloads and chmod the file once its uploaded should do the trick
[08:36] <cemc> a restrictive umask should do it
[08:37] <cemc> a_c_m: another idea: not sure if you have antivirus support, or what kind of files will be uploaded there. with pureftp you can rig it to scan for viruses in the uploaded file
[08:37] <a_c_m> jpg's only
[08:38] <rags> Hello...I am trying to setup RAID 1 on my ubuntu server...I just got another hdd of same size. I am trying to use mdadm.
[08:38] <a_c_m> cemc: if your interested, the site is called demotix.com :)
[08:38] <rags> I planned to boot from a live cd and create the arrays...which will hoopefully sync the data...after tht will I be able to just boot into the system..
[08:39] <twb> rags: it's a little tricky because you want to RAIDify existing disks
[08:39] <rags> ther were some documents abt "degraded" raid
[08:39] <rags> ya...
[08:40] <rags> twb:existing disks...which include the boot partition...
[08:40] <rags> I guess I have to mess around with grub..
[08:41] <rags> and fstab..
[08:41] <cemc> rags: not just with grub, you need to update the initrd image to get raid stuff in if I'm not mistaken
[08:42] <cemc> a_c_m: looks pretty decent ;)
[08:42] <a_c_m> cemc: thanks, one of our images was on the front page of the Guardian newspaper in the UK last weekend :)
[08:43] <rags> is there no simpler way?...man I thought it will be as simple as just synching the disks...Solaris was way easier...
[08:48] <cemc> rags: this is not Solaris ;) I never actually done what you want to do, so maybe there is another way...
[08:52] <rags> well found a good how-to...keeping fingers crossed...here if any one interested..
[08:52] <rags> http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/RAID-1_in_a_hurry_with_grub_and_mdadm
[08:53] <rags> cemc:you're right abt the initrd image...
[08:57] <twb> Sorry, my boss caught me
[08:57] <twb> rags: what you need to do is create a degraded array, copy the data from the non-RAID disk to the array, then add the original disk into the array
[08:57] <twb> rags: and you're right, the MBRs need to be handled specially -- most easily by just running grub-install.
[08:58] <twb> I'm assuming you're doing software RAID, btw.
[09:00] <rags> twb: yes...usinf mdadm..
[09:03] <rags> so it's liking mimicking a failed disk in raid1...
[09:06] <twb> Right, you start out with a degraded array
[09:07] <kraut> moin
[09:09] <rags> thx..
[09:40] <encmonkey> howdy!  I just tried upgrading 8.10 64 bit server install to 9.04 rc.  It has a 4 port nic that had a working bond0 eith eth0 and eth2 in it in 8.10 that goes away in 9.04.  It seems like 9.04 doesn't like the nic bonding so much
[09:43] <encmonkey> actually, from the looks of things the bonding module doesn't get loaded by default.
[10:25] <_ruben> hrm .. ages ago i managed (up to a point) to rename my vlan interfaces to arbitrary names .. if only i could remember how .. sigh
[10:41] <soren> _ruben: Back in the olden days, there was a "ifrename" tool.
[10:42] <soren> _ruben: It's only 5 lines of C, but I don't see any userspace tools to do it anymore, actually.
[10:42] <soren> udev can do it, but I've not used it to do it to vlan devices.
[10:44] <_ruben> soren: udev does seem to be the most appropriate way .. but either my search-fu is lacking, or im the first the try .. im guessing its not the latter ;)
[10:58] <_ruben> sweet .. got it to work with udev
[10:58] <_ruben> and a pre-up/post-down in interfaces(5)
[11:07] <soren> _ruben: Can I see?
[11:48] <_ruben> soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/152709/
[11:54] <soren> _ruben: How do you guarantee that that particular interface is vlan0005?
[12:07] <_ruben>         pre-up vconfig set_name_type VLAN_PLUS_VID
[12:07] <_ruben>         pre-up vconfig add bond0 5
[12:07] <_ruben> that oughta be enough (in my experience)
[13:19] <beawesomeinstead> Does anyone know a way to modify sudo PATH without recompiling sudo?
[13:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> can it be set in /etc/sudoers? (edit with visudo)
[13:23] <beawesomeinstead> Kamping_Kaiser: for some reason ubuntu guys compile sudo with --with-secure-path option: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/192651
[13:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> aaah.
[13:25] <beawesomeinstead> hm, then i wonder if fix was released on 2008-06-12, why doesn't it work in 8.10?
[13:27] <beawesomeinstead> and 9.04 beta btw
[13:27] <ropetin> Because it isn't really a fix to the issue?  At least thats how I read it
[13:28] <dayo2> i'm following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication   and it says to edit /etc/libnss-ldap.conf  after installing libnss-ldap, among other things. but there is no /etc/libnss-ldap.conf  file anywhere on my server :-/
[13:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> dayo2, iirc it was deprecated a few releases ago
[13:46] <dayo2> hm
[13:46] <dayo2> Kamping_Kaiser: now what? :-(
[13:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> dayo2, you find its new location
[13:57] <dayo2> Kamping_Kaiser: i used  `locate libnss-ldap.conf` and it came up empty
[14:02] <sirderigo> good morning, i have a little doubt, a company contacted me to setup a linux server, it basically needs to setup a network security server, i can do it, but i dont know if i can handle M$ user policies whit some ubuntu aplication o if btw i will have to setup a windows server i will not like it so much
[14:03] <ropetin> MS User Policies?  Can you confirm what you mean by that?
[14:06] <sirderigo> ropetin: that nasty things that the companies uses to restrain their employes of doing anithing funny whit their computers...
[14:06] <sirderigo> ;)
[14:06] <sirderigo> like block some pages, and do they cant install software
[14:07] <ropetin> So  you will be using Squid or something similar to restrict access?
[14:08] <sirderigo> yes, but i need to know btw if i cant use some app to create some kind of ad domain without using that nasty OS
[14:10] <sirderigo> do you understand me?
[14:10] <sirderigo> the option i think is installing something like vmware and installing the servers on it
[14:11] <sirderigo> but i dont wanna use nothing of windows
[14:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there a page that explains when various point updates to 8.04 will come out?
[14:58] <MagicFab___> Kamping_Kaiser, sure - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[14:58] <MagicFab___> 8.04.3 is in July (TBC)
[14:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> MagicFab___, cheers
 Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Can You tell me please what file should I change? /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname? Thank You!
[15:20] <twb> jurism: your host name is not fully qualified
[15:21] <jurism> yes, it is ubuntu, how to change to my real hostname? My real hostname is bwap.org
[15:21] <twb> This may be /etc/mailname, or the combination of the host name in /etc/hostname (loaded on boot) and the FQDN for that hostname in libnss, which usually means /etc/hosts
[15:21] <_ruben> the way you send mail is flawed .. sending from www-data@whatever usualy is not what you want
[15:21] <twb> _ruben: right.
[15:22] <twb> _ruben: although if it's just the message )from
[15:22] <twb> _ruben: although if it's just the message (not envelope) from, it doesn't matter so much if it's just panic mail
[15:22] <jurism> 127.0.0.1 localhost bwap.org 127.0.1.1 ubuntu this I have in hosts file
[15:23] <twb> Cf. cron's mail output "Cron daemon <root@FQDN>"
[15:23] <_ruben> twb: most ppl tend no to not care about mail for www-data@ .. hence it shouldnt be used for envelope from either
[15:24] <twb> _ruben: my point was that it's not technically wrong, it's just silly if he's trying to send mail to real people, rather than just to himself
[15:25] <twb> Never mind
[15:25] <jurism> This is from PHP script sent only for me. It worked fine for me, now I changed mailname to bwap.org and e-mail is sent only it is stored in spam folder now :)
[15:27] <_ruben> twb: ah ok
[16:51] <dr4g> Hey there i'm using ubuntu server 8.10 - I'm using a SATA drive and i've downloaded, just partitioned the system and it's asking me to insert another CD
[16:51] <dr4g> Ubuntu server 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386
[16:51] <dr4g> can someone advise what's going on ?
[16:52] <giovani> it's asking you to insert the install CD
[16:53] <dr4g> but its already inserted ?
[16:53] <giovani> then maybe it's damaged, or your CD/DVD drive wasn't properly recognized, or something along those lines
[16:53] <ivoks> do you have multiple cdrom devices?
[16:53] <dr4g> 1 cdrom drive.. i done a CRC check thing on the CD and it came back 100%
[16:53] <dr4g> before installing.
[16:53] <giovani> did you try removing the cd, and reinserting it?
[16:53] <dr4g> I just got by the partitiotn manager and it asked me for another CD
[16:53] <giovani> (when it asks you insert it)
[16:54] <dr4g> i'm doing that now giovani
[16:54] <giovani> I'd think that would be the first thing to try ...
[16:55] <giovani> well?
[16:55] <dr4g> it won't let me eject
[16:55] <dr4g> prob because it's in use for the install.
[16:55] <yann2> dr4g > type eject in a console
[16:55] <giovani> unlikely that it's in use if it's asking you to insert it
[16:55] <giovani> ctrl-alt-f2 to get a shell
[16:55] <giovani> during the install
[16:55] <dr4g> i will reboot it and try to install again
[16:56] <dr4g> thanks
[16:56] <giovani> nope, don't do that yet
[16:56] <giovani> (reboot)
[16:56] <dr4g> ok im in busybox
[16:56] <giovani> ok, to type eject
[16:56] <giovani> so*
[16:57] <dr4g> tried to use './cdrom' as device name but it is no block device
[16:57] <dr4g> unable to find or open device for `cdrom`
[16:58] <ivoks> have you tried only 'eject'
[16:58] <dr4g> yes
[16:58] <dr4g> i typed the eject command
[16:58] <ivoks> doesn't work?
[16:58] <dr4g> it shows the above output
[16:59] <giovani> sounds like either problem hardware, or a bad cd
[16:59] <dr4g> cd is fine
[16:59] <giovani> the cd may not be fine
[16:59] <dr4g> will need to test new cd-rom drive then
[16:59] <dr4g> the checksum thing came back fine ?
[16:59] <dr4g> 100%
[16:59] <giovani> that doesn't assure that the cd doesn't have any issues
[16:59] <dr4g> okay
[16:59] <ivoks> ls -dl /dev/cdrom
[16:59] <giovani> optical media is extremely unstable
[17:05] <dr4g> cd cdrom
[17:05] <dr4g> oops
[17:05] <dr4g> lol
[17:05] <dr4g> wrong keyboard
[17:07] <ScottK> ivoks: Nice.
[17:07] <ivoks> ScottK: thanks
[17:13] <dr4g> giovani back to the install screen again
[17:13] <dr4g> i didn't notice what percentage it died at last time.
[17:16] <dr4g> worked this time !
[17:16] <giovani> likely a bad optical read
[17:17] <dr4g> nice. just typed in my password and its configuing-apt
[17:17] <dr4g> configuring apt
[17:17] <dr4g> "scanning the cd-rom.." i just hope it doesn't die here.
[17:18] <dr4g> ok giovani this is going to be a development server.. its asking me about updates
[17:18] <giovani> ok?
[17:18] <dr4g> do you recommend it to install security updates automatically ?
[17:18] <dr4g> or manual.
[17:19] <giovani> dr4g: that would be up to your administration style
[17:19] <giovani> I would never let updates install automatically
[17:19] <dr4g> giovani ok thanks.
[17:19] <giovani> but that's me
[17:19] <dr4g> i personally wouldnt this is security updates thought not package ones.
[17:20] <giovani> uh huh
[17:29] <dr4g> giovani ok i've screwed up grub, i left the box blank hoping it would take the first partition on the first SCSI drive, but it hasn't so i need to go in and hack the grub file. Are you able to advise me on this ?
[17:29] <giovani> left what box blank?
[17:29] <giovani> I don't know what you've done
[17:30] <dr4g> the box when it was asking what parition i want grub on
[17:30] <dr4g> hd0 kind of thing
[17:30] <dr4g> i'm putting the live CD in, and going into the console, is that the way to go editing ?
[17:35] <jmedina> ivoks: are you there?
[17:37] <ivoks> jmedina: yes
[17:37] <jmedina> have you used any bare metal restore in bacula?
[17:37] <ivoks> nope
[17:38] <jmedina> Im thinking in building a ubuntu livecd with some bacula tools
[17:38] <ivoks> that would be nice
[17:38] <jmedina> probably only bacula-client and bacula-console-qt, one requirement will be LVM support, raid
[17:39] <jmedina> so the only thing I need to use is download config files with proper configs
[17:41] <ivoks> i've never looked at bare metal restore
[17:41] <dr4g> jmedina i need to install grub again, do you recommend going through the live CD onto the shell ?
[17:41] <ivoks> i never backup stuff that i can restore without problems
[17:41] <ivoks> like /usr
[17:44] <jmedina> ivoks: how do you act in a system disaster? the fastest method to restore complete system, I always used clonezilla for system image backup
[17:44] <jmedina> now I want to use bacula
[17:45] <dr4g> whats the 'apt' function for doing a search
[17:46] <ivoks> jmedina: i reinstall the server
[17:46] <ivoks> jmedina: and ther recover from backup
[17:46] <ivoks> jmedina: for really critical servers (that can't be 2 hours down), i just set up cluster
[17:47] <jmedina> ok, probably I misunderstood, I think you say you dont backup /usr
[17:47] <ivoks> dr4g: apt-cache
[17:47] <ivoks> jmedina: correct, i don't
[17:47] <ivoks> jmedina: i backup /etc /var /srv /home /root
[17:47] <jmedina> so you reinstall software/updates bal bla bla that you dont include in data backup
[17:48] <ivoks> jmedina: correct, i reinstall server - dpkg --get-selections is very helpfull
[17:48] <jmedina> ivoks: another method I was thinking is using bacula with raw partition backups
[17:49] <ivoks> there's lvm for that
[17:49] <ivoks> lvm snapshot and that's it
[17:49] <jmedina> backing up /dev/sda1 (system os) it has a "spare option" wich only backups used data, then I thought, damn Im using lvm :D
[17:53] <dr4g> ivoks thanks
[17:54] <jmedina> ivoks: when you use lvm snapshot, how do you archive backups
[17:54] <jmedina> dd, rsync, tar?
[17:55] <jmedina> for linux images I mont snapshot and use rsync + tar which save space
[17:55] <jmedina> dd is not an option because space
[18:02] <nxvl> ivoks: you just started a meme :P
[18:03] <Smellican> anyone know how to add the graphical 'users and groups' tool to ubuntu server?
[18:04] <Smellican> assuming I've already installed xorg and a WM
[18:04] <giovani> there's a graphical users and groups tool?
[18:04] <giovani> Smellican: guis aren't supported here
[18:04]  * Smellican cries
[18:04] <jmedina> I would install a Web Interface for that
[18:05] <giovani> Smellican: GUIs massively waste resources, totally not recommended on servers
[18:05] <Smellican> I am well aware of what GUIs do
[18:05] <Smellican> I am comfortable at the command line
[18:05] <Smellican> upper management, however, is not
[18:05] <giovani> well that's why they're not supported
[18:05] <giovani> upper management should use ebox
[18:05] <giovani> and not local GUIs
[18:05] <giovani> !ebox
[18:06] <Smellican> I'm familiar with ebox
[18:06] <Smellican> the admin tool that is part of the desktop edition is what my boss specifically wants
[18:06] <Smellican> I figured there must be a package name for it
[18:06] <ivoks> gnome system tools
[18:06] <giovani> there may not be -- it may be a part of some huge gnome metapackage
[18:07] <Smellican> ah
[18:07] <Smellican> that's probably it
[18:07] <Smellican> grrr I really don't want to install gnome
[18:07] <Smellican> got fluxbox atm
[18:07] <giovani> gnome-system-tools doesn, at first glance, require gnome
[18:07] <giovani> try installing it, and look at the dependencies
[18:12] <Smellican> I will
[18:12] <Smellican> thank you
[18:15] <Smellican> yea it needs gtk of course tho
[18:15] <Smellican> ]79 pkgs
[18:15] <Smellican> :'(
[18:15] <Smellican> o well
[18:15] <Smellican> we just use this machine for ftp
[18:15] <Smellican> no biggy
[18:15] <ivoks> put ftp accounts into ldap
[18:16] <ivoks> and manage ldap from whatever computer you want
[18:16] <Smellican> not my decision to make
[18:17] <Smellican> gnome tools already installing anyway
[18:17] <ivoks> ok, now is the time when you should move to #ubuntu :)
[18:17] <Smellican> well I have no more questions
[18:17] <Smellican> :P
[18:17] <ivoks> hehe
[19:03]  * lamont looks around for someone with phat bandwidth
[19:03] <lamont> ScottK: around?
[19:03] <Gargoyle> lamont: how phat?
[19:03] <ScottK> lamont: Yep
[19:17] <henriquelm> hello there
[19:18] <henriquelm> I'm getting an error msg when I try to start mrtg, can you guys help me?
[19:32] <giovani> henriquelm: can only help if you paste the error message (if it's more than 2-3 lines, please use pastebin)
[19:32] <henriquelm> giovani, thanks, will do
[19:34] <henriquelm> giovani, http://pastebin.ca/1395160
[19:35] <giovani> sounds like a question for #mrtg
[19:36] <henriquelm> ok, Have tried that already but the channel is almost empty
[19:37] <giovani> you're less likely to find a MRTG guru here :)
[19:37] <henriquelm> I think I'm setting something wrong on the router
[19:39] <openstandards> Hi, hopefully someone can help me I'm setting up courier with mysql support but upon logging in I'm getting a failed login and my logs are showing that the db isn't being asked...
[19:39] <henriquelm> giovani, thanks anyway
[19:39] <openstandards> i've got logs if anyone is willing to help
[19:52] <jmedina> henriquelm: still problems with mrtg+snmp?
[19:53] <henriquelm> jmedina, yes
[19:53] <jmedina> henriquelm: from mrtg machine try:
[19:53] <jmedina> snmpwalk -v1 -c public 192.168.2.1
[19:54] <jmedina> Your router is not reponding, probably your snmp agent is not responding in the local network
[19:54] <jmedina> if is a ubuntu server
[19:54] <jmedina> snmpd by default only listen in 127.0.0.1
[19:54] <jmedina> if you want to allow remote conections you need to chance /etc/default/snmpd
[19:55] <henriquelm> jmedina, I gonna have to install the snmpwalk here
[19:56] <jmedina> henriquelm: yeap snmp-utils
[20:00] <henriquelm> jmedina, I don't have this folder here /etc/default/snmpd
[20:01] <henriquelm> jmedina, I will install the snmpd now
[20:02] <jmedina> henriquelm: no,well I told you that only if your snmp server you are queryng is linux
[20:02] <jmedina> you dont need snmpd to query snmpd servers
[20:02] <jmedina> with mrtg+perl modules
[20:02] <jmedina> who is 192.168.2.1?
[20:02] <henriquelm> my snmp server is a wireless adsl2 modem + router
[20:03] <henriquelm> So i don't need smpd then?
[20:03] <jmedina> nop
[20:03] <henriquelm> ok
[20:03] <jmedina> ok and you want to graph from mrtg machine
[20:03] <jmedina> ok fist install snmp-utils
[20:03] <jmedina> and try the query I post you
[20:03] <jmedina> with snmpwalk
[20:04] <henriquelm> I couldn't find snmp-utils on ubuntu's synaptics
[20:04] <henriquelm> ok I will look for this package online
[20:05] <henriquelm> What else should I do?
[20:14] <henriquelm> jmedina, where can I find snmp-utils to download?
[20:21] <jmedina> henri, sorry the packages is only "snmp"
[20:21] <jmedina> ups
[21:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: FYI the high load I see on a kvm host is definetly related to when one of the guest is swaping
[21:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: cool
[21:12] <kirkland> mathiaz: did you ever open a bug about that one?
[21:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: nope.
[21:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: I've run into it again as I was trying to do a do-release-upgrade from an intrepid guest with 128 M of ram (which is the default for my vm setup)
[21:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: gotcha
[21:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: looks like you need to bump your default ram up to 256
[21:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: yop - just did that.
[21:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: but I didn't need in intrepid and hardy.
[21:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: so there is definetly something spooky in there.
[21:16] <kirkland> mathiaz: yeah, memory usage has spiked in jaunty
[21:20] <elliotjhug> hi all, I'm trying to do a moveable type install on my ubuntu server and I can't get the cgi pages to execute, I've added ExecCGI to my vhost for the domain but no joy, anything I'm missing?
[21:28] <jmedina> elliotjhug: and what is the error?
[21:29] <jmedina> have you seen in apache error_log?
[21:49] <Faust-C> wow i managed to make a guy mad just by offering to move forward on a project
[21:56] <jmedina> Faust-C: you are good, which project?
[21:56] <Faust-C> jmedina, sec ill show you the link
[21:57] <Faust-C> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/turnkeylinux/+spec/mailserver
[22:00] <Faust-C> now this is mine
[22:00] <Faust-C> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/turnkeylinux/+spec/create-groupware-appliance
[22:00] <Faust-C> hope to get more interested in it....
[22:01] <olcafo> Faust-C: I'm working on deploying Horde with Postfix/Dovecot as a replacement for Exchange in my environment
[22:01] <olcafo> Faust-C: my initial test emplamentation has proven very promising.
[22:02] <Faust-C> olcafo, o rly
[22:02] <Faust-C> we should talk more about this
[22:03] <olcafo> Faust-C: the key components for me is Active Directory Authentication and the user experience
[22:04] <Faust-C> olcafo, i have articles on using LDAP to auth to AD
[22:04] <Faust-C> so far ive gotten FDS to auth to AD and i have stuff on Penrose and OpenLDAP
[22:04] <olcafo> Faust-C: although I have not tested with live subjects other than myself, Funambol with Outlook on windows has proven to work well and should be quite seamless to the clients
[22:05] <Faust-C> olcafo, well you might like to hear about Citadel. it can use funambol and can be setup in like 20-30 mins
[22:05] <olcafo> I plan on keeping Active Directory for the moment. There is really nothing out there that compares when dealing with Windows clients.
[22:05] <Faust-C> there is nothing for windows clients
[22:05] <Faust-C> BUT
[22:05] <Faust-C> you can still leverage items like LDAP for use w/ windows
[22:05] <Faust-C> mail server -> LDAP <-> AD
[22:06] <Faust-C> so you can use any mail platform that can auth to LDAP
[22:06] <olcafo> Faust-C: i didn't like Citadel so much because it's a whole package or nothing. I like to be able to split my services up.
[22:06] <Faust-C> i can understand that
[22:06] <Faust-C> but you can use items like postfix w/ it iirc
[22:07] <olcafo> I'm not too sure on the detail just yet, but I'm looking at the Dovecot LDAP plugin to connect to my Active Directory.
[22:08] <Faust-C> olcafo, o rly, wow youre really hitting it hard
[22:08] <Faust-C> im impressed
[22:09] <olcafo> Faust-C: I just need to get this company away from paying $15000 every two years for Exchange.
[22:09] <Faust-C> olcafo, i need to get my company on a system that doesnt require PST files
[22:09] <Faust-C> well a system period
[22:10] <jmedina> why not zimbra?
[22:10] <jmedina> it cant integrate with AD
[22:10] <Faust-C> cause its $$
[22:10] <jmedina> not community version
[22:10] <jmedina> why use outlook/thunderbird with that greate WUI
[22:10] <olcafo> Faust-C: I get bad vibes from Zimbra because of the Yahoo ownership.
[22:10] <Faust-C> but thats *community* version which means no features
[22:10] <Faust-C> olcafo, agreed
[22:11] <jmedina> Faust-C: what features lacks community version?
[22:11] <Faust-C> jmedina, i want to use a solution that is pure open source
[22:11] <jmedina> Faust-C: does community version has closed source?
[22:11] <Faust-C> sec
[22:12] <Faust-C> jmedina, http://www.zimbra.com/products/product_editions.html
[22:12] <jmedina> zimbra officialy suports ubuntu LTS
[22:12] <olcafo> jmedina: like Citadel, I found Zimbra to be a complete package deal, which is not what I'm looking for really
[22:12] <jmedina> olcafo: there is no need to install all services on 1 server
[22:12] <olcafo> I of course may change my mind if I see that Horde isn't doing what I want it too.
[22:13] <jmedina> you can from thetell which services to install
[22:13] <jmedina> so you can have ldap in one server of course replicated)
[22:13] <jmedina> web in another
[22:13] <jmedina> smtp and imap in ahother box
[22:13] <olcafo> what I do like about Zimbra is that there is commercial support if you need it.
[22:14] <Faust-C> jmedina, but seems like they have given the opensource version more features
[22:14] <jmedina> olcafo: you can dsitribute zimbra services and make them work togheter
[22:14] <Faust-C> at one point they released it as a really stripped version
[22:14] <jmedina> Faust-C: the only features it lacks in community version are movil version, backups, clusters and outlook connector
[22:14] <Faust-C> yeah and we really need backups
[22:14] <olcafo> jmedina: the Outlook connector is pretty key for my clients.
[22:15] <jmedina> well yu can use community scripts
[22:15] <jmedina> most o my clients that ask for zimbra is because they want to get rid from oulook and office licenses
[22:15] <jmedina> they dont want to store mail in client machines
[22:16] <olcafo> getting away from Outlook in this environment is not really an option.
[22:16] <jmedina> one thing I like from zimbra is the community
[22:16] <jmedina> a lot of contributions
[22:16] <jmedina> wikis, forums
[22:16] <Faust-C> olcafo, jmedina we need to hookup and work together on this
[22:16] <Faust-C> i have ESX servers we can use for tests
[22:16] <jmedina> I tried citadel, didnt like it
[22:16] <olcafo> jmedina: using Dovecot IMAP get's away from storing emails on client machines.
[22:17] <jmedina> olcafo: yeap I know
[22:17] <Faust-C> olcafo, man i can SOOOO understand the need for that
[22:17] <jmedina> I like zimbra imap implementation
[22:17] <jmedina> it works really fast with that support for search tags
[22:17] <jmedina> faster searchs
[22:17] <olcafo> I must admit that I am a littel byast toward Dovecot and Postfix since I've been usning them for the past few years.
[22:19] <olcafo> my timeline for this project is "sometime" next year. So my development process is somewhat scattered. I spend time on it when the helpdesk is slow type thing.
[22:20] <olcafo> I think the point to all this is that there are some really good solutions out there.
[22:20] <Faust-C> i want to create a helpdesk appliance lol
[22:20] <olcafo> Faust-C: I use GLPI
[22:20] <olcafo> it has inventory and knowledge base implementations.
[22:20] <jmedina> Faust-C: a few months ago I was doing a comparision for mail collaboration suites
[22:21] <jmedina> or the so called "unified communication systems.."
[22:21] <Faust-C> olcafo, yeah i was looking at it once
[22:21] <Faust-C> havent had the time to look at it in detail
[22:21] <Faust-C> jmedina, heh yeah ive done it as well but i didnt look at semi open source products
[22:23] <olcafo> I think the one thing I will miss about Exchange and Active Directory is the on-stop for users and emails setup. I looks like I'll have to split the two.
[22:24] <Faust-C> not really
[22:24] <olcafo> users here have way too many different email address.
[22:24] <Faust-C> if you auth against LDAP which will auth to AD
[22:24] <olcafo> Faust-C: once you take Exchange out of AD, it looks like you can only pull 1 email address.
[22:25] <Faust-C> yeah ... i didnt think about that
[22:25] <Faust-C> but i dont want multiple email address for one user
[22:26] <olcafo> some issues I haven't look at yet are transfering Flags and server side rules.
[22:27] <olcafo> there will be a few bumps for the user I'm afraid when this switches over.
[22:28] <jmedina> I not sure if zimbra migration scripts cant migrate filtering rules
[22:28] <Faust-C> olcafo, thats where you really need to think about a groupware suite
[22:28] <Faust-C> cause alot of items are pure MS onl
[22:28] <Faust-C> but brb
[22:29] <olcafo> all Flaggin and most rules are server side with Outlook/Exchange combo, which is nice when switching computers, reseting profiles, and accessing via webmail.
[22:29] <jmedina> Note: Only email messages, calendars, and address books (including distributions lists)are imported from the Outlook server. Other Outlook types, including notes, rules and alerts, and files are not imported. Unless the ZCS Migration Wizard is run on a machine with Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007, tasks will not be imported.
[22:29] <jmedina> sorry :S
[22:31] <olcafo> using the Funambol app with Horde can do calendars, contacts, and tasks. I've found it can probably be used to export from Exchange and import into Horde if not bulk solution is found.
[22:32] <olcafo> not too sure on the Notes.
[22:34] <jmedina> lets see funambol app
[22:34] <olcafo> http://www.funambol.com/
[22:35] <jmedina> which app?
[22:35] <olcafo> I'm looking at the Outlook Sync and the Win Mobile PocketPC Sync
[22:35] <olcafo> https://www.forge.funambol.org/download/
[22:36] <olcafo> I suppose the Win Mobile Smartphone app will probably also be used.
[22:36] <olcafo> I've only so far tested the Outlook one.
[22:36] <jmedina> olcafo: how are you testing outlook sync?
[22:36] <jmedina> agains Exchange?
[22:37] <olcafo> Works pretty good. Set it up to sync every 5 minutes on the client machines and your good to go.
[22:37] <olcafo> jmedina: nope, against a horde install.
[22:37] <jmedina> :O
[22:37] <olcafo> it's really and Outlook to SyncML link.
[22:38] <olcafo> Horde has SyncML functionality.
[22:38] <olcafo> of course having syncing on the client machine means they can change the settings, I'm sure that will probably be a pain.
[22:38] <olcafo> I'll have to look at locking it down somehow.
[22:50] <brohism> I'm having problems with my server not being able to access the Internet.  It can establish connections on the local network no problem, but no access outside of that.  Pinging IP address or domain won't work.
[22:51] <brohism> I've verified that listed DNS servers are accurate
[22:51] <friartuck> brohism got default route? netstat -r
[22:53] <brohism> friartuck: http://pastebin.com/m3aada7c1
[22:53] <friartuck> brohism no default route. that's your problem.
[22:54] <brohism> yeah, I noticed that as soon as I ran the command.  I'll try to fix that.
[22:56] <brohism> friartuck: some more showed up when I went back to my console window http://pastebin.com/m5743a916
[22:57] <friartuck> brohism can you ping .1?
[22:58] <brohism> friartuck: yes
[22:58] <friartuck> brohism hm, try ping 4.2.2.2
[22:59] <brohism> friartuck: no results. It doesn't say it succeeded or failed, it just sat there.
[22:59] <elliotjhug> hi, I'm currently doing an upgrade to my server from 8.04 to 8.10 and it seems to have stopped at console-setup, which I think is because that SSH session has closed (I can't pause it with Ctrl-Z) - I know the apt-get process is still running from PS -A, is it safe to kill the process and restart the upgrade from and apt-get install or should I leave it (bear in mind I have no output from the process right now)
[23:01] <friartuck> brohism I dunno how it should work with two nics. I *think* you should only have one default route. not positive though.
[23:01] <brohism> friartuck: ok, I'll try removing one
[23:02] <brohism> friartuck: that did it, thanks
[23:03] <friartuck> brohism cool. were you doing two nics for redundancy?
[23:04] <brohism> friartuck: no, I was actually trying to set it up so that services accessible inside the network only (Samba, etc.) were on one, and public services were on another, for load-balancing
[23:05] <friartuck> brohism ah. two nics on same network makes things tricky.
[23:06] <brohism> friartuck: yeah, I've done it before on this machine, but it was with a different distro, and it was a few years ago that I configured it
[23:11] <giovani> brohism: so they're not on the same network?
[23:11] <giovani> one is on a DMZ and one is on the LAN?
[23:12] <brohism> giovani: sort of. One is on the LAN, and one is port-forwarded but not on a DMZ
[23:12] <giovani> brohism: why do you want/need separate interfaces then?
[23:13] <kinley> hi there, is the a repasitory for mysql-server-5.1 5.1.33 an ubuntu hardy 8.0.4.2 as backports or sim. ?
[23:13] <giovani> kinley: you mean an unofficial repository?
[23:14] <kinley> better an official ;) but cant find it in hardy backports :(
[23:14] <giovani> 5.1.33 isn't even in jaunty, much less 8.04
[23:14] <giovani> kinley: bleeding-edge packages are almost never provided by distributions
[23:14] <giovani> that's to protect you from new bugs
[23:15] <kinley> 5.1.31-1ubuntu2 is in jaunty
[23:15] <giovani> yes, but you asked for 5.1.33
[23:15] <giovani> whcih was released only a few days ago
[23:15] <kinley> hmhm
[23:16] <giovani> if you want a bleeding-edge version, you need to download and install/compile it yourself from MySQL directly
[23:17] <giovani> sigh