[00:00] <flips01> topyli: I tried stuff like crunchbang and easy peasy, linux mint fluxbox and more, but on my Eee 1000, UNR has so far been far superior, most stuff really works, like attaching external screens/projectors and stuff
[00:01] <flips01> Stealthii: the xserver-xorg-core version is 1.6 ...
[00:01] <Stealthii> yes, but that's the version of xserver
[00:02] <yofel> Stealthii: Xorg 7.4 afaik, but not sure
[00:02] <flips01> on my, not latest revision, xserver-org is 1:7.4~5ubuntu18, whatever that means
[00:03] <Stealthii> 7.4 is what I expected, just confirming
[00:03] <Stealthii> there was a new fglrx released today,
[00:04] <JorgeJorgesson> I have a camcorder with a 1394 interface.  What is the best way to import the video?
[00:04] <spiderz13> have others had problems with the hp mini 1000 sound not playing on the main speaker
[00:05] <spiderz13> but can play on the earbuds
[00:06] <kebomix_1> hello , any body help me plz , there is mikrotik hotspot server on my network  , and user name and password page dont open through ubuntu and it open's through windows ?
[00:07] <spikyharold> If I install jaunty, can modify sources.list and DOWNgrade to Intrepid or Hardy? Can I go from Jaunty all the way back to hardy in one apt-get update/ dist-upgrade or have I got to do Jaunty to Intrepid then Intrepid down to Hardy?
[00:07] <IntuitiveNipple> JorgeJorgesson: kino
[00:07] <JorgeJorgesson> IntuitiveNipple: thanks
[00:08] <IntuitiveNipple> spikyharold: no, there is no downgrade facility
[00:08] <mjwitter> spikyharold: Don't think you can downgrade like that. The versions you have are higher than hardy etc, so it won't show anything to upgrade
[00:09] <spikyharold> doesn't Debian offer such a feature? I'm sure I've gone sid to stable an back
[00:09] <kebomix_1> any body help me plz
[00:10] <spikyharold> IntuitiveNipple: the nicks just get better!
[00:11] <spikyharold> can you not downgradeb Debian, even if its just one generation at a time?
[00:11] <IntuitiveNipple> spikyharold: the best way to do it is keep /home/* as a separate volume and have separate installs or use virtual machines
[00:12] <spikyharold> Or, would anyone know if I can download Dells 'belmont' Mini 12 customised Ubuntu from anywhere?
[00:12] <spikyharold> I don't want the non-free codecs
[00:12] <spikyharold> it can have them stripped
[00:13] <spikyharold> but I want to try it on the mini 10
[00:13] <spikyharold> to get my psb gfx working :(
[00:13] <Venko> Jaunty seems to completely ignore power management settings
[00:14] <spikyharold> nipbuntu?
[00:16] <spikyharold> Anybody here been successfully in getting accelerated pouslbo gfx working under Ubuntu?
[00:16] <spikyharold> successful
[00:17] <spikyharold> I do feel cheated by intel on this one
[00:17] <flips01> hm, if I want to reset the gnome-panel back to default layout, without losing important stuff like my gnome-keyring, could I just move/remove a file/folder or something under .gnome2 (or something)?
[00:18] <spikyharold> I actually bought this damn thing because intel, up until pouslbo, normally had A1 open source support in xorg for all there chipsets
[00:18] <JorgeJorgesson>  I get the following when trying to use my 1394 camcorder....raw1394 kernel module not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw1394!
[00:19] <spikyharold> JorgeJorgesson: sudo modprobe raw1394
[00:19] <JorgeJorgesson> spikyharold: nothing back
[00:20] <spikyharold> thats correct
[00:20] <spikyharold> try your camera app again- is it kino?
[00:20] <JorgeJorgesson> yes kino
[00:20] <JorgeJorgesson> What else to try?
[00:20] <spikyharold> There are some other 1394 modules
[00:20] <spikyharold> I forget
[00:21] <flips01> -v to modprobe might reveal something
[00:21] <JorgeJorgesson> lib1394-8 installed
[00:21] <spikyharold> modprobe video1394
[00:22] <spikyharold> modprobe ohci1394
[00:22] <JorgeJorgesson> nothing back video....
[00:23] <JorgeJorgesson> nothing back ohci
[00:23] <spikyharold> JorgeJorgesson: Have you tried running dvgrab from terminal?
[00:24] <JorgeJorgesson> spikyharold: no.....
[00:24] <spikyharold> also do a
[00:24] <spikyharold> modprobe ieee1394
[00:24] <spikyharold> try capturing with
[00:24] <JorgeJorgesson> ieee...nothing
[00:24] <spikyharold> dvgrab capture.dv
[00:26] <spikyharold> JorgeJorgesson:Is your firewire card being found? Is it a pci or onboard or.. firewire
[00:26] <spikyharold> type lspci
[00:26] <JorgeJorgesson> Onboard
[00:26] <JorgeJorgesson> laptop
[00:26] <JorgeJorgesson> Worked fine with suse
[00:27] <spikyharold> Have you also done a
[00:27] <spikyharold> modprobe dv1394
[00:27] <JorgeJorgesson> 03:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)
[00:27] <spikyharold> (sudo)
[00:28] <spikyharold> sudo modprobe dv1394
[00:28] <JorgeJorgesson> nothing back
[00:29] <spikyharold> JorgeJorgesson: Have you tried turning off your camera, plugging it back in turned on and turned off after having loaded all those extra modules?
[00:30] <JorgeJorgesson> ok, never mind.  Thanks for the try.  I'll just go to another computer and use XP.  It works
[00:30] <JorgeJorgesson> Thanks though!
[00:30] <spikyharold> np
[00:30] <JorgeJorgesson> It just does not work in Ubuntu.
[00:30] <JorgeJorgesson> Not a biggy.
[00:30] <solorvox> hey guys, need some help.  Just installed rc and my system is locking up every few minutes (4 times now)
[00:31] <solorvox> hard lock, no mouse/cursor or anything
[00:31] <spikyharold> JorgeJorgesson: YOu're under Jaunty right?
[00:31] <JorgeJorgesson> spikyharold: yup
[00:31] <spikyharold> spikyharold: Have you tried it under intrepid?
[00:31] <JorgeJorgesson> Nope, one install
[00:31] <solorvox> it's impossible to tell what happening since it hard locks, any advice?
[00:31] <JorgeJorgesson> I have another fallback machine with XP for most of my hardware that Ubuntu does not work with.
[00:32] <JorgeJorgesson> IT has my printers, scanners, digital cameras and now my video camera
[00:32] <spikyharold> JorgeJorgesson: You might have more luck with intrepid
[00:32] <JorgeJorgesson> spikyharold: can't stick with old stuff forever.
[00:32] <JorgeJorgesson> Anyways, gotta run.  Thanks again
[00:33] <spikyharold> JorgeJorgesson: If you do get your camera working, kdenlive has just had a new release
[00:33] <spikyharold> and its getting good now
[00:33] <JorgeJorgesson> nah, I'll stick with xp
[00:33] <JorgeJorgesson> It works
[00:33] <spikyharold> :)
[00:34] <JorgeJorgesson> too much work to get hardware working under Ubuntu.
[00:34] <spikyharold> JorgeJorgesson: Stick with HP!
[00:34] <JorgeJorgesson> I agree.
[00:34] <JorgeJorgesson> HP stuff just works!
[00:34] <spikyharold> Everything HP, all scanners and printers just work under LInux with ONE driver!!
[00:34] <DrMrHorse> XP is nice, i just like to fight with my hardware
[00:35] <spikyharold> I really like that
[00:35] <JorgeJorgesson> Yup, same experience.
[00:35] <JorgeJorgesson> HP works
[00:35] <JorgeJorgesson> This is an HP (Compaq) laptop though.
[00:35] <solorvox> spikyharold, that isn't true, hp has several models that don't.  see hplip page for example
[00:35] <JorgeJorgesson> Ok, gotta run.
[00:35] <JorgeJorgesson> Later
[00:35] <DrMrHorse> but my hp laptop's wireless card doesnt work with linux *or* vista out of the box
[00:36] <spikyharold> Bye Jorge!
[00:36] <spikyharold> solorvox: Yeah but its near as dammit true
[00:36] <DrMrHorse> in hardy it took like three reboots to work
[00:36] <elpargo> i'm not leaving :p
[00:36] <spikyharold> We've got HP gear of all ages at my work
[00:37] <spikyharold> I can get a 15 year old HP printer, plug it into Linux and it normally just works- all the HP stuff I've trid has worked, anyway
[00:37] <spikyharold> just my experience
[00:37] <spikyharold> much better than epson
[00:38] <DrMrHorse> i like my mac printer, but the ribbon broke and i had to buy a new one
[00:38] <flips01> hm, I removed .gconf/apps/panel and got a new panel upon login, but I don't see the system/software update applet/icon ...
[00:38] <flips01> (jaunty UNR, latest dist-upgrade)
[00:39] <loquitus_of_borg> Can someone help me with sound issues? My sound WAS working ok except that it would stop working after a while, from time to time. Now it is totally not working. Trying restarting, powering down, etc... no luck.
[00:39] <loquitus_of_borg> My sound works when I boot with Knoppix so I know the hardware is not hosed.
[00:40] <flips01> tried both alsa, pulse and oss? enabling/disabling channels in alsa-mixer or something like that?
[00:40] <spikyharold> loquitus_of_borg: Have you tried disabling pulseaudio? alsaconf?
[00:41] <loquitus_of_borg> spikyharold: I am not quite sure how to do either of those... can you please specify?
[00:41] <spikyharold> System -> Prefs -> Sound
[00:41] <spikyharold> Change everything there to your ALSA analog settings
[00:41] <loquitus_of_borg> flips01: how do I "try" alsa, pulse, oss? I mean, I tried selecting those devices in prefs-> sound and still it made no difference.
[00:42] <loquitus_of_borg> flips01: what do I enable and disable?
[00:42] <spikyharold> disable pulseaudio
[00:42] <spikyharold> by setting efverything to alsa
[00:42] <loquitus_of_borg> spikyharold: as in replace all the autodetects with alsa?
[00:42] <spikyharold> yes
[00:43] <loquitus_of_borg> spikyharold: there are two alsa's... one with the sound card prefixed, and then just alsa by itself
[00:43] <Kamitsukai1> do you get any static sound from your speakers?
[00:43] <loquitus_of_borg> I get some when the system starts... a few clicks... and then nothing
[00:44] <flips01> loquitus_of_borg: right click the volume control in gnome-panel and choose "Open Volume Control" and choose device there ... enable/disable tracks under preferences there (track names might be wrong/confusing sometimes) ... and also choose devices under prefs->sound
[00:44] <loquitus_of_borg> (keep in mind this all used to work from time to time)
[00:44] <yow|x2> cwillu - hey man, hows things? update -- still getting freezes. i wish i never updated that intel-video driver ;)
[00:44] <Kamitsukai1> something simmilar happened to me today and PCM was turned to mute in alsa...
[00:44] <EruditeHermit> what is the current solution to getting the intel driver to work well?
[00:45] <yow|x2> i wish i knew EruditeHermit. They have release numerous instances of them, at one time, it was working great and then another release came along and it started freezing again
[00:46] <loquitus_of_borg> flips01: not muted on there...
[00:46] <loquitus_of_borg> spikyharold: put it all on alsa. no diff
[00:46] <spikyharold> loquitus_of_borg: Did you not hea
[00:46] <spikyharold> hear anything when you pushed the test buttons
[00:47] <loquitus_of_borg> spikyharold: nothing.
[00:48] <spikyharold> loquitus_of_borg: Is firefox open?
[00:49] <loquitus_of_borg> closed it now.
[00:49] <flips01> loquitus_of_borg: you could boot knoppix and see which sound system (alsa/oss/pulse) is used and which kernel modules loaded (lsmod)
[00:49] <spikyharold> I've had the official adobe flash player cause sound probs
[00:49] <spikyharold> sometimes I need to kill FF
[00:49] <loquitus_of_borg> flips01: well the thing is that I am pretty sure the right drivers are loaded on here... because it was working before and it still shows the drivers loaded
[00:50] <spikyharold> loquitus_of_borg: You checked your speakers/ headphones and tried rebooting after changingto ALSA?
[00:50] <loquitus_of_borg> spikyharold: I should reboot after changing it all to alsa in sound preferences?
[00:51] <spikyharold> You shouldn't need to really no
[00:51] <spikyharold> but just in case theeres some rogue wee app you've not killed
[00:51] <loquitus_of_borg> spikyharold ah...
[00:51] <loquitus_of_borg> I don't think it would matter.
[00:51] <loquitus_of_borg> but I could tyr
[00:51] <loquitus_of_borg> try
[00:57] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[00:59] <spikyharold> ActionParsnip returns!
[01:00] <danboid> Anyone here going to the Jaunty launch party in Manchester (UK) this time next week?
[01:01] <sevenhill> Are there any kubuntu-devel in here ?
[01:02] <sevenhill> there are some problems on update-notifier script and
[01:02] <sevenhill> it makes QtCore crash
[01:02] <sevenhill> and it makes whole Kde4 crash
[01:02] <sevenhill> and only mouse can move but whole X freeze
[01:02] <sevenhill> Apr 18 01:45:49 mylaptop kernel: [ 2410.813309] kwrited[3718]: segfault at 48954f2d ip b6bd7dd9 sp bffe7844 error 4 in libc-2.9.so[b6b68000+15c000]
[01:02] <sevenhill> Apr 18 01:47:11 mylaptop kernel: [ 2494.860910] python[15808]: segfault at 1c ip b7ae9821 sp bfbc3820 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.5.0[b7984000+238000]
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> sevenhill: please dont flood
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> sevenhill: log a bug
[01:17] <Skapare> loquitus_of_borg: interesting spelling
[01:17] <loquitus_of_borg> Haha
[01:18] <loquitus_of_borg> So folks... my sound card WAS working in Jaunty. Now it does not. I did not change anything. I rebooted to the Intrepid live CD, compiled and installed the Creative Labs driver for my sound card, and my card works fine there... (in OSS, not ALSA)... but in Jaunty... nothing
[01:18] <loquitus_of_borg> help!
[01:18] <Skapare> how about locutus_of_boring
[01:18] <loquitus_of_borg> I prefer my mis-spelling
[01:19] <Skapare> you didn't install the Intrepid one on Jaunty?
[01:19] <loquitus_of_borg> Skapare: I did. used to work on Jaunty. stopped working. no reason I can think of
[01:19] <Skapare> maybe reinstall the old one back ... do over, but compile in Juanty?
[01:20] <loquitus_of_borg> Skapare: already tried that
[01:20] <Skapare> if you just go back to the old driver, does it work again?
[01:20] <Skapare> "I did not change anything" <-- doesn't seem to be true ... you did change the driver
[01:20] <loquitus_of_borg> Skapare: there is no old driver. Ubuntu does not have out-of-the-box support for my card. so I need to download the source for the driver from creative, compile, and install it.
[01:21] <loquitus_of_borg> sound overall stopped working.
[01:21] <loquitus_of_borg> so I rebooted to a cd
[01:21] <Skapare> "my sound card WAS working in Jaunty" <--- THIS old driver
[01:21] <loquitus_of_borg> to see if the sound worked there.
[01:21] <loquitus_of_borg> Skapare: that's still what I am running now (same source). I rebuilt it 10 minutes ago just as a sanity check
[01:23] <Skapare> loquitus_of_borg: so you installed Jaunty, then compiled the sound driver, it worked, you compiled it all over again, then it didn't work
[01:24] <Skapare> and why did you compile it all over again without any changes if it worked the first time?
[01:24] <loquitus_of_borg> Skapare: almost. installed Jaunty, compiled sound, it worked... it stopped working, I rebooted to intrepid off a cd, compiled sound there, it worked, rebooted back to installed Jaunty, recompiled sound here, no working
[01:25] <Skapare> so it worked for a while ... then stopped for no apparent reason ... you rebooted ... did it work for a while and stop again, or just not work at all?
[01:26] <loquitus_of_borg> Skapare: when it was working initially... it was still flaky... sometimes it would die, but rebooting would "fix" that.
[01:26] <loquitus_of_borg> so this morning when it stopped working, I thought a reboot would correct that. it did not.
[01:26] <Skapare> sounds like a flaky sound card or a flaky driver ... does recompiling it again remove flakes?
[01:26] <loquitus_of_borg> Skapare: no.
[01:27] <Praveen> question... how do i change the position of the new notifications in jaunty?
[01:27]  * Skapare thinks there ought to be some .deb for this maybe on launchpad.net or something
[01:29] <maxb> Praveen: you don't, they're not configurable :-(
[01:30] <Praveen> that sucks
[01:30] <danboid> consider yourself notified
[01:30] <Skapare> yes it does
[01:31] <maxb> I think all you can do is move your top gnome-panel, and they follow it from screen to screen
[01:33] <Praveen> i also want to remove the crackle
[01:33] <Praveen> lets say im watching a movie
[01:33] <Veinor> maxb: I'm 99% sure that's the way it works
[01:33] <Praveen> and i get a message via pidgin. i also get some crackle
[01:43] <JorgeJorgesson> does amarok work in 9.04?  I can't get the sound to work.  Banshee works just fine
[01:44] <DG19075> prefers alsaplaer
[01:44] <JorgeJorgesson> I'm using alsa
[01:45] <DG19075> alsaplayer gives me tight segues between tunes
[01:45] <JorgeJorgesson> Ok, so amarok does not work then?
[01:46] <DG19075> haven't used amarok much....did more with audacious and rhythmbox
[01:47] <JorgeJorgesson> Ok, good enough
[01:57] <wirechief> JorgeJorgesson: i tried amarok and the sound was not working same with rhythmbox, i had to use alsamixer to enable/disable and renable 958 D then it started to work.
[02:00] <Skapare> will there be USB key / SD card images also (in addition to ISO) for Jaunty, or do people have to run an unverified binary program as root to make their own USB key / SD card image?
[02:01] <wirechief> Skapare just use usb-creator
[02:01] <thiebaude> hi wirechief
[02:02] <wirechief> Skapare System>Adminstration>USB startup creator
[02:02] <wirechief> hi thiebaude
[02:02] <JorgeJorgesson> wirechief: my rhythbox plays fine
[02:02] <wirechief> JorgeJorgesson yes mine too
[02:02] <thiebaude> my install of 9.04 wasn't successful ,wirechief
[02:03] <wirechief> thiebaude: was a error found ?
[02:03] <thiebaude> wirechief: the same x freezing on the i815
[02:03] <JorgeJorgesson> wirechief: but amarok will not.  I like amarok because of its integration with shoutcast.  No other player has that
[02:03] <wirechief> thiebaude: man thats really bad.
[02:04] <dan457> songbird
[02:04] <thiebaude> np, i went back to 8.10, in the mean time i have ordered the 9.04 cd
[02:04] <wirechief> JorgeJorgesson: something perhaps with this bug  ive been chasing all day, it affects amarok too
[02:04] <thiebaude> maybe a fresh install will work
[02:05] <thiebaude> wirechief: instead of an upgrade
[02:05] <Skapare> wirechief: so I have to first install intrepid so I can make a USB image?
[02:05] <wirechief> thiebaude: also check the media on the first boot
[02:05] <DG19075> and i found the launcher for the root terminal doesn't work.......
[02:05] <wirechief> Skapare no
[02:05] <thiebaude> kewl, yea before i install it use the live cd
[02:05] <wirechief> Skapare it works with 9.04
[02:05] <JorgeJorgesson> dan457: songbird?
[02:05] <thiebaude> i love songbird
[02:06] <dan457> JorgeJorgesson, made by mozilla.  not in repo, but you can find .deb's for it.
[02:06] <Skapare> wirechief: OK, let me see if I understand this right ... in order to make a USB key to install Ubuntu, I have to be running Ubuntu
[02:06] <wirechief> Skapare i found i had to add a bootcheat though  at the grub line to prevent running into a intramfs busy box add rootdelay=90
[02:07] <wirechief> Skapare no
[02:07] <wirechief> Skapare what distro are you using ?
[02:07] <thiebaude> JorgeJorgesson: if you want songbird there is a site getdeb that has a .deb for it
[02:07] <JorgeJorgesson> dan457: checking it out now
[02:07] <cwillu> Skapare, no.  In order to use the usb creator that ubuntu comes with, you need to be running ubuntu.  There are instructions on how to do the process manually from windows though
[02:07] <JorgeJorgesson> thiebaude: the standard download won't work?
[02:07] <Skapare> wirechief: various ... this wasn't what my question was about
[02:08] <thiebaude> JorgeJorgesson: thats where i get songbird
[02:08] <wirechief> cwillu i had lots of questions for you on the  bugfix for freeze
[02:08] <cwillu> Skapare, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick has the relevant instructions
[02:08] <Skapare> cwillu: not running Windows (I assume you mean the Redmond based closed-source so-called-OS)
[02:08] <thiebaude> JorgeJorgesson: it isn't in synaptic
[02:08] <cwillu> Skapare, the instructions for any os
[02:09] <Skapare> cwillu: the unetbootin way?
[02:09] <ienorand> Skapare: unetbootin are available for windows & has packages for severl distros...
[02:09] <JorgeJorgesson> ok, not sure here.....I dont' install things outside the repos.  I dont' think that is an option for me
[02:09] <Skapare> ienorand: source?
[02:09] <thiebaude> ok
[02:09] <wirechief> Skapare unetbootin or with usb-creator
[02:09] <dtchen> loquitus_of_borg: please run `ubuntu-bug pulseaudio'
[02:09] <dtchen> loquitus_of_borg: then tell me the bug # that is filed
[02:09] <Skapare> wirechief: let's get back to my original question
[02:10] <Skapare> wirechief: but from the sounds of it, I'm presuming the answer is "no"
[02:10] <ienorand> Skapare: Untebootin: "Packages available: Ubuntu Debian openSUSE Gentoo"
[02:10] <cwillu> Skapare, there are 4 different approaches that should work from any given linux distro, as well as the exact manual steps
[02:11] <Skapare> cwillu: manual steps w/o unetbootin?
[02:11] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: is pulseaudio being used? i assume it is because you mentioned rhythmbox. please check with `pgrep pulseaudio'
[02:11] <JorgeJorgesson> So, in 9.04, from the standard repos, shoutcast is out.  Correct?  Amarok does not work?
[02:11] <cwillu> Skapare, yes, on the link I sent you, in the section "Manual Approach"
[02:11] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: no alsa
[02:12] <Skapare> cwillu: OK ... just wanted to be sure ... too many people send me to unetbootin all the time
[02:12] <dan457> songbird works fine with shoutcast
[02:12] <JorgeJorgesson> dan457: not with 9.04
[02:12] <thiebaude> dan457: yup
[02:12] <JorgeJorgesson> dan457: not with the repos
[02:12] <cwillu> Skapare, next time, consider reading the page first.  At least, read the table of contents at the top of the page that says this already
[02:12] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: can you verify by running that pgrep command?
[02:13] <ienorand> Skapare: sorry...
[02:13] <dan457> Not on repo's no, but works fine on all 4 boxes here
[02:13] <cwillu> wirechief, yep?
[02:13] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: *while using rhythmbox and the music is audible*
[02:13] <Skapare> cwillu: I've been burned by that before ... I don't want to take the time to do what might be the same old dead end
[02:13] <wirechief> cwillu i had a EE in my attempt at using the PPA from Bryce and have started basically all over
[02:13] <cwillu> Skapare, then welcome to my ignore list :(
[02:14] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: 3576 is the response I get
[02:14] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: then you *are* using pulseaudio
[02:14] <Skapare> cwillu: I'm just suggesting to clarify ... making sure that "manual" isn't "how to run unetbootin manually"
[02:14] <cwillu> wirechief, can you give me the usual pastebin of /var/log/Xorg.0.log from a failed session, and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[02:14] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: My volume control says alsa
[02:15] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: that doesn't matter
[02:15] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: that's just the mixer interface
[02:15] <thiebaude> !alsa
[02:15] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: ok, not sure how that helps me though.  A little confused here
[02:15] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: i'm walking you through troubleshooting
[02:15] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: ok, got you
[02:16] <Skapare> cwillu: I can tell immediately looking at it, those manual steps won't work for my USB sticks
[02:16] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: i presume rhythmbox is still audible?
[02:16] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: yup
[02:16] <Skapare> cwillu: the reason is they are formatted ext2, not fat
[02:16] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: please pastebin the output from: pactl stat|grep ^D
[02:17] <Skapare> cwillu: maybe we go back to my original question, which was NOT "how can I make a USB key image"
[02:17] <cwillu> wirechief, still there?
[02:17] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: no need to pastebin:
[02:17] <JorgeJorgesson> Default Sample Specification: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
[02:17] <JorgeJorgesson> Default Sink: alsa_output.pci_1002_4370_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0
[02:17] <JorgeJorgesson> Default Source: alsa_input.pci_1002_4370_sound_card_0_alsa_capture_0
[02:18] <wirechief> cwillu i wish i had saved it, i made a picture of it though. would have to get it uploaded to someplace, i made a comment on the launchpad bug will see if i can find it. however too much has changed now. i was wondering if you could give me suggestions on my current  though.
[02:18] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: ok, good. please install the `pavucontrol' package.
[02:18] <wirechief> cwillu i can paste what i currently have
[02:18] <corinth> I'm getting weird characters in odd places in the RC. Using 64-bit. http://i44.tinypic.com/23h4z78.png
[02:19] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: afterward, open it (Applications> Sound & Video> PulseAudio Volume Control) and look at the Playback tab while amarok is playing
[02:19] <cwillu> wirechief, sure.  Include uname -a as well
[02:20] <Brucidus> neat, a recently released bios update fixed the acer aspireone atheros wifi problems, it's automagic now, no farting around with blacklists
[02:20] <wirechief> cwillu http://pastebin.com/f61514ca3
[02:20] <cwillu> thanks
[02:20] <Skapare> cwillu: I'll assume the answer to my _original_ question is "no" ... so then my next question in that case is, where to contribute another method that isn't as complicated?
[02:20] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: working......................
[02:20] <wirechief> cwilli Linux wirechief-laptop 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:21] <cwillu> wirechief, give me xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log too
[02:21] <wirechief> cwillu ok
[02:21] <Brucidus> is there a log that can be tail'ed that shows what files have copied so far in a nautilus directory copy?
[02:21] <cwillu> wirechief, are you trying to back things out?, or what's your goal right now?
[02:22] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: tell me if amarok appears in the playback tab
[02:22] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: nothing appears
[02:22] <wirechief> cwillu i would of liked to of gotten all the patches  in. but running into depends issues and i get really confused.
[02:23] <wirechief> cwillu xorg.conf  http://pastebin.com/f30e4c083
[02:23] <thiebaude> looks familiar
[02:24] <wirechief> cwillu Xorg.0.log  http://pastebin.com/f1fb0ffbd
[02:24] <cwillu> thiebaude, you're back!  I take it things didn't work out?
[02:24] <cwillu> wirechief, is https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test what you were using?
[02:24] <thiebaude> cwillu: no not this time, but im using 8.10 and i ordered the 9.04 cd
[02:24] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: ok, what's the output from `sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*' ?
[02:25] <thiebaude> i think a fresh install will most likely work
[02:25] <thiebaude> instead of an upgrade
[02:25] <thiebaude> cwillu: but im tempted,:)
[02:25] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: http://www.pastebin.ca/1395474
[02:26] <cwillu> thiebaude, well, upgrades should work.  re: your video trouble, you just kinda walked into a perfect storm that we're having :p
[02:26] <wirechief> cwillu i saw that link and users trying it but i wanted to have all the PPA's from Bryce installed, unless what i have currently is enough. i think i am missing drm
[02:26] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: it doesn't look like amarok's trying to play any music files, however.
[02:26] <thiebaude> i have been using ubuntu since 6.06 and never seen it so bad with a RC
[02:26] <cwillu> wirechief, that ppa is the summation of fixes he's found.  Generally, you don't want to mix ppa's like that
[02:26] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: can you try playing some music file and re-pastebin the previous fuser command?
[02:26] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: that would make sense, as I hear none
[02:27] <ienorand> Skapare: Sorry, what was your original question? Ubuntu not supplying a usb creator for initial install? Since untbn exists I don't know if there is any need...?
[02:27] <cwillu> wirechief, pastebin me your /etc/apt/sources.list, I'll see if I can give you a replacement that'll work
[02:27] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: I have no music files
[02:27] <wirechief> cwillu  ok , right, i would have apples and oranges
[02:27] <Skapare> ienorand: hold on, phone call
[02:28] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: you should have quite a few ogg vorbis and wave files
[02:28] <wirechief> cwillu hopefully i didnt screw that up too, i # out all the stuff except for Bryces in one of my attempts so one of them might be not correct.
[02:28] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: try /usr/share/example-content/Ubuntu_Free_Culture_Showcase/Invocation.ogg , for instance
[02:28] <wirechief> cwillu ok
[02:28] <cwillu> wirechief, well, you'd have a glass eye with eye surgery and a bionic implant, which would all be getting in each others way :p
[02:29]  * wirechief hahaha
[02:29] <thiebaude> :)
[02:29] <wirechief> cwillu sources.list http://pastebin.com/f534ca206
[02:30] <cwillu> wirechief, okay, give me a minute
[02:30] <wirechief> cwillu sure
[02:33] <wirechief> cwillu at one point i had all but one bug fixed mesa7.4 installed and then i noticed that stupid /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so not being found
[02:33] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: http://www.pastebin.ca/1395477
[02:33] <cwillu> wirechief, okay, if you had the -dbg debs installed, those dependendcies will probably break, as they don't exist for some of the ppa packages
[02:34] <wirechief> cwillu yep thats what happend
[02:35] <cwillu> wirechief, it's not a big deal though, just use aptitude, and let it figure out a good solution (basically, say no to a solution if it doesn't end up with the packages you actually want)
[02:35] <wirechief> cwillu i did have those -dbg debs installed. (cruel trick for beginners)
[02:35] <cwillu> :)
[02:35] <cwillu> wirechief, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test has instructions for this repository
[02:35] <wirechief> cwillu wil aptitude just install the bugfixed .debs then ?
[02:36] <cwillu> wirechief, basically
[02:36]  * wirechief WHEW
[02:36] <cwillu> wirechief, you can tell aptitude that you really really want a particular version
[02:36] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: have you configured phonon to fall back to pulseaudio?
[02:36] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: it should do so automatically if you've installed kubuntu-desktop alongside ubuntu-desktop
[02:36] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: ??????
[02:36] <cwillu> wirechief, you'll _need_ to be running 2.6.30rc2 out of the mainline repository (that's included on that link)
[02:36] <corinth> I'm getting weird characters in odd places in the RC. Using 64-bit. http://i44.tinypic.com/23h4z78.png
[02:37] <cwillu> wirechief, but then we'll be able to get useful debugging info if/when things crash
[02:37] <cwillu> wirechief, you have another machine you can ssh from?
[02:37] <wirechief> cwillu yes
[02:37] <cwillu> wirechief, and ssh installed on this one?
[02:37] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: do you have Kubuntu installed alongside Ubuntu?
[02:37] <cwillu> (or whichever one is the intel)
[02:37] <ienorand> Skapare: Well, I'm off for bed, but the point I was coming to is that source for unetbootin seem to be here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gezakovacs/unetbootin/devel-new/files and in my opinion unetbootin should probably be advertised on the downloads section for all other-than-ubuntu users as the easiest way to get a liveusb...Sorry if I didn't understand you
[02:37] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: is there nothing else that integrates well with shoutcast?  That is native to Gnome?
[02:38] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: no I do not
[02:38] <wirechief> cwillu yes it worked before for me when i was freezing and i got the logs from the reg before and after test
[02:38] <cwillu> oh, goodf
[02:38] <thiebaude> JorgeJorgesson: when you use shoutcast you have options of which media player to use
[02:39] <JorgeJorgesson> thiebaude: I use a media player to integrate with shoutcast.  Not the other way around
[02:39] <wirechief> cwillu i have the intel reg tester on this machine and did before and after on the regs , the after with the ssh in machine
[02:40] <thiebaude> JorgeJorgesson: i use songbird, which works great with shoutcast
[02:40] <JorgeJorgesson> thiebaude: I understand.  But that is not a part of the repos.
[02:40] <wirechief> cwillu so what do i need to do to prepare for this test of https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test
[02:41] <cwillu> wirechief, sounds like you already did it
[02:42] <wirechief> cwillu ok just follow the instructions on that link then.
[02:42] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: I assume the only way to run amarok is to install the full blown kubuntu as well?
[02:42] <cwillu> wirechief, might want to enabled -proposed if you haven't already, that's where the bug fixes are going to be showing up
[02:42] <thiebaude> JorgeJorgesson: when you use shoutcast it opens its own media player
[02:43] <cwillu> wirechief, at least until they've been tested to work and can be released in an sru
[02:43] <Skapare> ienorand: OK, if you are still around, my original question was if a USB key (or SD card) image was going to be made available for download (ultimately ISOs will some day become obsolete, IMHO)
[02:43] <JorgeJorgesson> thiebaude: sorry I've never tried directly through my browser.
[02:43] <Booh> I've done dist-upgrade at the minute... and I loose network-manager.  (I use xubuntu)
[02:43] <wirechief> cwillu ok , this sru does that show up when you dist-upgrade at some point in time ?
[02:44] <thiebaude> JorgeJorgesson: check it out its cool, go to the shoutcast website if you want to
[02:44] <thiebaude> and the quality is very good
[02:44] <Booh> how to start network-manager by hand?
[02:44] <JorgeJorgesson> thiebaude: it does work....indeed!
[02:45] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: no, you just need to configure phonon/its backend to use pulseaudio
[02:45] <thiebaude> JorgeJorgesson: that feature is new, i use to could open it in any media player i wanted
[02:45] <cwillu> wirechief, sru = stable release update:  basically any update that shows up in the normal repositories in a released version of ubuntu
[02:45] <calc> Skapare: hmm iso
[02:46] <calc> Skapare: hmm iso's will become obsolete once usb keys are essentially free :)
[02:46] <calc> Skapare: since cd's already are
[02:46] <wirechief> cwillu ok great
[02:46] <cwillu> wirechief, the -proposed repositories is where those get tested immediately before they're released to the world
[02:46] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: is this a clean install of jaunty or a dist-upgrade? Do you have an ~/.asoundrc ?
[02:46] <thiebaude> JorgeJorgesson: have you tried, pandora?
[02:46] <Meinte> true calc, i hate throwing away all those cd's/dvd's i dont use anymore :)
[02:46] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: dist-upgrade
[02:46] <wirechief> cwillu ah ok, well thats good to know.
[02:47] <wirechief> cwillu i have a backup of my sources.list so not worried about mucking it up to much.
[02:47] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: no.asoundrc
[02:47] <cwillu> wirechief, okay, then the aptitude install package=version trick is probably all you need to know
[02:47] <cwillu> wirechief, aside from, you know, which version to put in there :p
[02:48] <JorgeJorgesson> thiebaude: no, no pandora....a repo program?
[02:48] <Barridus> the bar hasn't moved in a long time in this gnome directory copy.  granted it's big with lots of files, but i'm worried something is wrong.  is there some way to see what is happening if anything?  cpu use is high
[02:48] <wirechief> cwillu i have most of the current updates and can proceed to "GO" and collect $200
[02:48] <Booh> how to start network-manager by hand?
[02:48] <Barridus> like a file log to tail?
[02:48]  * cwillu watches wirechief land on baltic, and charges wirechief $350 for the privilege
[02:49] <nebbes> grahh! I want to play games but I don't want to lose ext4 =[
[02:49] <wirechief> cwillu thanks for the information and upgrading my knowledge
[02:49] <JorgeJorgesson> thiebaude:  does the toolbar work in ubuntu?
[02:49] <cwillu> nebbes, eh?
[02:50] <nebbes> cwillu: can't play games on ubuntu =[ its really slow
[02:50] <cwillu> nebbes, intel?
[02:50] <Barridus> nebbes, what does that have to do with ext4
[02:50] <nebbes> cwillu: yes, q6600 and a 8800gt
[02:50] <cwillu> oh, nvidia
[02:50] <nebbes> Barridus: I don't want to lose ext4 by switching to windows
[02:51] <Barridus> nebbes, oh i get you now.
[02:52] <Barridus> so there's no way to -tail some log or something to see if this gnome copy is doing anything or where it is?  the gui window is vague XD
[02:52] <cwillu> Barridus, from where to where?
[02:53] <Barridus> cwillu, from a windows box to my desktop.  it's a copy i made of my /home last week.  i was gonna copy it to desktop with gnome, then sudo cp it back to home
[02:53] <cwillu> Barridus, "watch df /mount/point/you\'re/copying/too" and watch for a number that's increasing :p
[02:54] <cwillu> Barridus, rsync would give you more info, and handle interruptions a little better, but if you're copying from an smb share, I don't know that it'll help
[02:55] <Barridus> yeah i don't know how to do smb file ops via command
[02:55] <JorgeJorgesson> I think I got disconnected there
[02:55] <cwillu> Barridus, oh, wait
[02:56] <Barridus> aha!
[02:56] <cwillu> Barridus, are you copying over your home directory while you're logged in?
[02:56] <Barridus> i think i have my old fstab backed up
[02:56] <Barridus> i could retrieve the fstab setting for that share
[02:56] <Barridus> oh no, nevermind, i can't
[02:56] <JorgeJorgesson> thiebaude: pandora is a gimp add on
[02:56] <Barridus> cwillu, i was going to reboot as livecd to do the actual final copy
[02:57] <cwillu> Barridus, okay
[02:57] <Barridus> yeah i figured that would be bad XD
[02:57] <cwillu> Barridus, gnome mounts will show up in ~/.gvfs/
[02:57] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen:  you give up?
[02:57] <cwillu> Barridus, which means you can rsync from that folder directly, after you've opened the mount point in gnome
[02:58] <cwillu> Barridus, however, the permissions on the files will probably be screwed up, so you'll need to change ownership and reset the permissions as appropriate
[02:59] <cwillu> Barridus, another time, making a big tar ball with sudo tar ... will create a single file that will preserve permissions and ownership information
[02:59] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: no, i'm in the middle of apt-hunting
[03:00] <Barridus> cwillu, ~/.gvfs/ is empty
[03:00] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: thanks...!
[03:00] <Barridus> and that share is mounted, i'm browsing it
[03:00] <Barridus> wait, i think it broke
[03:01] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: I don't want to have to go back to XP, but everything is pulling me that way!
[03:01] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: does amarok's configuration/settings panel allow you to choose the sound device?
[03:01] <MrKeuner> hi, can I find svg version of the abstract background image Flow.png?
[03:02] <cwillu> Barridus, hmm.  Maybe you need to install gvfs-fuse first, but I thought that was included by default now
[03:02] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: nope
[03:02] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: and it worked with the local file.
[03:02] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: I think it is an error with the app in an internet stream
[03:03] <Barridus> cwillu, i have gvfs-fuse installed
[03:04] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: not a problem, really.  Thanks for knocking yourself out.  Really, I have an XP machine where my printers, scanners, webcam, camcorder and now radio player works
[03:05] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: ok, so local files do work?
[03:05] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: yes, I thought I said so.  The file you asked me to play.  I posted the pastebin
[03:07] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: really, I feel guilty here.  Carry on with someone that has a solvable problem.  I have an XP installation that works.  No issue
[03:08] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: ok, np. i just needed to eliminate alsa and pulseaudio as problem points (since i maintain them).
[03:08] <JorgeJorgesson> dtchen: hey, you tried.
[03:08] <JorgeJorgesson> it didn't work.
[03:08] <dtchen> well, it appears they aren't if local file(s) work
[03:08] <JorgeJorgesson> amarok does not work on a Compaq R4000
[03:09] <JorgeJorgesson> I understand the frustration of new Linux users
[03:09] <JorgeJorgesson> I have an old compaq r4000 and still it does not work with the latest and greatest, most popular release of Linux
[03:10] <JorgeJorgesson> I understand
[03:10] <JorgeJorgesson> XP works
[03:10] <JorgeJorgesson> With all my stuff
[03:10] <JorgeJorgesson> And everything I throw at it
[03:10] <JorgeJorgesson> Just an insight.
[03:10] <JorgeJorgesson> Linux might be a good text based server.
[03:11] <JorgeJorgesson> Something that is not touched for a year
[03:11] <Barridus> cuz of one computer?
[03:11] <JorgeJorgesson> And a HPa1211n
[03:11] <JorgeJorgesson> Toshiba a10
[03:12] <Barridus> i've installed ubuntu on a bunch of stuff, of varying age
[03:12] <dtchen> JorgeJorgesson: there's likely a way to make it work. if you have access to a release party or installfest, you can try that.
[03:12] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: modern driver development tends to focus on modern computers ... sure, it would be nice if old computers could be made to work better
[03:12] <JorgeJorgesson> There are three
[03:13] <Barridus> and i have 4 pc's of various age running it right now here at home, plus two at work
[03:13] <JorgeJorgesson> Barridus: fantastic...I wish I were as lucky....
[03:13] <Barridus> the issue is that drivers are provided for nvidia by nvidia
[03:13] <JorgeJorgesson> Broadcom issues, ATI issues
[03:13] <JorgeJorgesson> 1394 issues
[03:13] <JorgeJorgesson> Amarok issues
[03:13] <Barridus> if they choose not to care about getting an old compaq, or a particular hp, able to run linux then it's not linux's
[03:13] <JorgeJorgesson> It goes on and on
[03:13] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: corporate manufacturer lawyer issues
[03:14] <Barridus> linux's fault *
[03:14] <JorgeJorgesson> ?
[03:14] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: I can assure you Linux would work better on those machines if they opened their hardware specs and/or their driver source code
[03:15] <Barridus> yeah
[03:15] <JorgeJorgesson> I'm sorry, you wanted users to change to linux?  Not understanding here.
[03:15] <Barridus> if not, you gotta rely on them to deliver the goods
[03:15] <cwillu> Barridus, gvfs-fuse installed, okay, then if .gvfs is empty then nothing is currently mounted
[03:15] <cwillu> Barridus, sorry, I have to run :/
[03:16] <Barridus> no it is now cwillu, i think i'm going again.  thanks a ton have a good night (?)
[03:16] <Barridus> by "going" i mean "copying" ;)
[03:16] <JorgeJorgesson> But in order to switch you want me to go back to the manufacturers and strong arm them to re-engineer their software drivers to a minority operating system?
[03:16] <JorgeJorgesson> Did I understand this?
[03:16] <Barridus> no
[03:16] <Barridus> they'll eventually do it on their own
[03:16] <Barridus> linux is in a big upswing
[03:17] <JorgeJorgesson> Ok, I must be missing something here, sorry.
[03:17] <Barridus> intel already did
[03:17] <Barridus> their gpu is open source
[03:17] <rm```> is there an easy way to enable or disable encrypted home directories after creating an account?
[03:17] <JorgeJorgesson> Well, you guys tried to help me out and i thank you.
[03:17] <Barridus> i think you are missing something JorgeJorgesson
[03:18] <JorgeJorgesson> It just is not working for my machines
[03:18] <Barridus> i'm not sure what it is, i think perhaps you're just "seeing" what you want to see here
[03:18] <Barridus> prolly due to frustration
[03:18] <JorgeJorgesson> Barridus: I see my machines with a non-functioning o/s
[03:18] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: not exactly want you to do that ... just saying that support between certain hardware and open source software tends to be weaker because the hardware manufacturers make choices that cause that
[03:19] <Barridus> JorgeJorgesson, what happens exactly?  they can't all fail the same on completely different hardware
[03:19] <JorgeJorgesson> shapare: no problem at all.
[03:19] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: I have old old machines here that work fine on Linux ... they aren't made by the hardware manufacturers that tend to be problematic ... I made the machines and when I did, I carefully selected parts known to not have these issues
[03:20] <JorgeJorgesson> Barridus: I said....one is for sound, one is for video, one is for printer.
[03:20] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: the biggest problems come from the biggest corporations that have to go through so many corporate lawyers to make decisions
[03:20] <JorgeJorgesson> Barridus: I don't mean to stir the pot here, I'm sorry.  Just frustrated.
[03:20] <Barridus> sound could be a pulseaudio issue
[03:21] <Barridus> pulseaudio is "flaky" on some soundcards, the alternative is to use alsa which is more reliable
[03:21] <JorgeJorgesson> Barridus: on one machine.  then there is the scanner, printer, barcode scanner.
[03:21] <JorgeJorgesson> And so on
[03:21] <DG19075> I've had no troble at all with this old repackaged emachines
[03:21] <Barridus> video only when proprietary drivers are loaded?
[03:21] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: these corporations, for example, actually do LESS development themselves, and end up "buying" the development from outside, licensing other company's intellectual property ... making releasing stuff all that much more complicated
[03:22] <Barridus> you *never* had video output on it once ubuntu was loaded?
[03:22] <dtchen> Barridus: meaning "alsa-only", correct? because pulseaudio uses alsa.
[03:22] <Barridus> dtchen, yes that's what i meant, thank you
[03:22] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: to the extent that _we_ can choose NON-emcumbered hardware, the more we can make sure Linux works in a larger number of future machines
[03:22] <Barridus> how was that disabled again dtchen?
[03:23] <JorgeJorgesson> I'm sorry guys....I've switch all my 5 machines over to Linux but there is always something that does not work on each one.  I'm only one guy and making excuses for each one is tiring.
[03:23] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: video, audio, wireless, tend to be the more problematic area
[03:23] <Barridus> well not much more to say that won't sound token
[03:24] <JorgeJorgesson> shapare: those are the only things that computers work on
[03:24] <Barridus> plus he's trying to get barcode scanners and such going
[03:24] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: hard drives, USB controllers, tend to be less problematic
[03:25] <Barridus> oh jorge heh
[03:25] <dtchen> Barridus: disable autospawn in /etc/pulse/client.conf and touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart
[03:25] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: the 2 latest machines I built, everything works on
[03:25] <JorgeJorgesson> shapare: thank god, as video audio and wireless could work without those!  (kidding)
[03:25] <JorgeJorgesson> Well, I don't know here.  I tried.
[03:25] <Barridus> i have an acer aspireone netbook, the wifi was always a pain to get going.  every bug report and such blamed linux.  i did the new bios update on the machine today and it's now instantly automagic :)
[03:26] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: if you build your own computer, you can pick and choose parts that are known to work better
[03:26] <Barridus> so sometimes linux is just a scapegoat when it's the manufacturer of the hardware's fault
[03:26] <JorgeJorgesson> I have 5 HP machine....what shoudl I do
[03:27] <Skapare> Barridus: so they finally fixed the ACPI?
[03:27] <JorgeJorgesson> And you cannot blame a manufacturer that makes their machines work with 90% of the software out there
[03:27] <Barridus> thanks again,  dtchen.  i'll write that down
[03:27] <Barridus> Skapare, it was the acer_wmi issue
[03:27] <JorgeJorgesson> Linux wants to gain market share, correct?  The best way is not to sit and wait for hardware guys to conform.
[03:27] <JorgeJorgesson> Plain and simple
[03:27] <Barridus> that wifi kill switch, it would report to linux the wifi was "killed" regardless if it was or not
[03:27] <Skapare> Barridus: OK ... don't have an AAO so I don't know it
[03:27] <Barridus> yeah
[03:28] <Skapare> Barridus: I'm looking at getting an EEE in the next couple weeks
[03:28] <Barridus> wifi lights would be be blinking, it would find access points... but then fail to connect cuz it thought it was "off"
[03:28] <JorgeJorgesson> Linux needs to make releases/distos to conform to hardware platforms.  Not the reverse
[03:28] <Barridus> cool, hope you've had the same great luck with it as i have with this acer.  netbook's are grand
[03:29] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: doable for hardware platforms that are openly documented
[03:29] <JorgeJorgesson> Go nuts
[03:29] <Barridus> is it the EEE with nvidia?  i thought i read something problematic in here the other day
[03:29] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: but I'd argue hardware interfaces need to be more standardized ... not make a new one for every new hardware design
[03:29] <Barridus> JorgeJorgesson, Linux needs to make?
[03:29] <Barridus> who's "Linux"
[03:30] <rm```> linux torvalds!
[03:30] <JorgeJorgesson> shapare:  You mean Apple?
[03:30] <Barridus> i think you don't quite understand what linux is
[03:30] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: You mean Apple?
[03:30] <Skapare> Barridus: don't know ... I know the ubuntu-eee/easypeasy derivative works on it ... and supposedly jaunty-unr will
[03:30] <Barridus> Skapare, ah great, you'll love it then :D
[03:31] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: no, I means adopt standards for how the drivers access the hardware, and stick to it
[03:31] <Barridus> i didn't care for UNR personally, Skapare.  i might give it a go again later on.
[03:31] <JorgeJorgesson> Barridus: I think you hit the nail on the head.  I don't understand and I don't think I am the typical user.
[03:32] <JorgeJorgesson> Barridus: I am a desktop productivity user
[03:32] <Skapare> Barridus: I found too many glitches in the UNR netbook-launcher ... I'll go with plain ubuntu and customize it a bit
[03:32] <JorgeJorgesson> Barridus: I want to do my work and with others
[03:32] <Skapare> Barridus: but have EP and UNR handy to "steal" their solutions if I have issues
[03:32] <Barridus> Skapare, yeah exactly.  there's a lot of nice tips out there to get something superfunctional
[03:33] <Barridus> like set the DPI of gnome fonts and menus down to 96, etc
[03:33] <Skapare> Barridus: and with respect to the "boot USB key" issues I raised earlier, I have my own solution to that ... I was just curious if I have to do it for Jaunty, too (answer: yes I do)
[03:33] <Barridus> have you used unetbootin?
[03:33] <Skapare> Barridus: I tried to ... quite a mess it made
[03:34] <Barridus> hmmm.
[03:34] <Skapare> Barridus: I took a very different approach which worked fine
[03:34] <Barridus> i think there were other methods
[03:34] <Barridus> oh you got one?  cool
[03:34] <Skapare> Barridus: I created grub based "booter" images ... you just concatenate them in front of the ISO file ... that makes the bootable image for USB key
[03:35] <Barridus> JorgeJorgesson, yeah i'm sorry you've had crap luck.  but i think you've heard the buzzwords "open source", "cloud computing", and others more and more lately
[03:35] <Skapare> Barridus: http://slashusr.net/ubuntu/ <-- available for Intrepid right now ... I'll work on Juanty ones this weekend
[03:36] <Skapare> Barridus: and I need to write documentation ... but the simple directions:  cat ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.boot ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso > /dev/usbkey
[03:36] <Barridus> Skapare, ah neat!
[03:36] <Skapare> Barridus: the tarball in that directory is the script that builds the .boot files
[03:37] <Skapare> Barridus: to build the .boot files it has to have the .iso file to extract kernel and initrd and calculate sizes
[03:38] <Barridus> interesting, wish i had a spare usb key atm
[03:38] <Skapare> Barridus: if you want to have BOTH an image for CD and an image for USB key, my way only need to download the ISO and a 10MB boot prefix
[03:38] <JorgeJorgesson> Barridus: no, not really.  Just in a threatening way.  Nothing constructive.  What MS did to be successful was find a way to make the O/S work on a platform basis.  Until Linux does this en masse, nothing will happen.  You will just leave frustrated people behind.
[03:38] <Skapare> Barridus: so its as effective as using unetbootin in saving download bandwidth
[03:39] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: Microsoft did it by telling the manufacturers to do it and send them the drivers
[03:39] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: So what....they did it.
[03:40] <rm```> JorgeJorgesson: I agree with you partially, over the years I've had different issues with different distros and various pieces of hardware, but 9.04 works well for me
[03:40] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: it comes down to: manufacturers must make drivers for the OSes they want, or be left behind
[03:40] <Venko> JorgeJorgesson: Lets be fair, what Microsoft really did was provide an OS to computer retailers for a fraction of the price of competitors and then use it for vendor lockin
[03:40] <rm```> I believe that part of the issue is hardware manufacturers being unwilling to release documentation or make linux drivers
[03:40] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: Microsoft being the "monopoly" could strong arm anyone
[03:40] <Venko> That's why MS was successful
[03:40] <rm```> there's only so much time you can put into reverse engineering
[03:40] <Skapare> Venko: exactly ... Microsoft is very innovative ... in business process
[03:41] <JorgeJorgesson> Venko: I don't understand what you are saying
[03:41] <solorvox> ok guys, can anyone tell me how stable the encrypted home directory stuff is?  I was getting lock-ups (hard) every few seconds, so I re-formatted to from ext4 to ext3.  Just got another one with a kernel opps.
[03:41] <Barridus> and the downside of that paradigm, is that MS doesn't have to care.  bow to them, or stuff it.  and that includes accepting all the security problems, cuz they don't have to really care about that either until they lose a market slice with bad press
[03:41] <Venko> JorgeJorgesson: You said Microsoft was successful because they made the OS work on a platform basis
[03:42] <solorvox> I checked and someone already filed a bug for the kernel oops, but no one has replied yet.
[03:42] <Venko> I was saying they were very successful because they provided their OS at a loss to secure vendor lock-in
[03:42] <solorvox> is anyone else using the encrypted home directory feature of 9.04?
[03:42] <JorgeJorgesson> Venko, you don't make billions by providing an o/s at a loss
[03:42] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: the linux share is growing ... just slowly ... the problem is, many people who are frustrated with microsoft leap into linux without knowing these limitations and issues, and get turned off of linux because their particular hardware has issues
[03:43] <Barridus> i think i am, but not sure if i did pick that or not
[03:43] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: provide linux on a platform basis and all will be well
[03:43] <Barridus> JorgeJorgesson, you make billions by being a company
[03:43] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: who cares about bullshit releases
[03:43] <Barridus> which is something Linux isn't?
[03:43] <Venko> JorgeJorgesson: Sure you do
[03:43] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: I want it to work on my hardware
[03:43] <Barridus> then make it work
[03:44] <Venko> JorgeJorgesson: You make it the standard and required for businesses
[03:44] <Venko> Then you start charging ridiculous amounts
[03:44] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: there is still the driver issue ... your manufacturer chose to lock you into windows and leave you hanging on linux
[03:44] <JorgeJorgesson> I don't understand the fight in Linux.  Make it work on my hardware.  A popular platform.
[03:44] <Barridus> who make it work?
[03:44] <JorgeJorgesson> Understand your market
[03:44] <Barridus> who are you asking to make it work?
[03:45] <JorgeJorgesson> Ok, never mind
[03:45] <Venko> You also use your vendor lock-in to stop competition from emerging by threatening PC vendors to remove their Windows distribution license if they bundle competing software on Windows machines
[03:45] <JorgeJorgesson> You don't get it.
[03:45] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: Microsoft handles drivers very much like Linux developers do:  common interfaces they make the drivers ... wierd proprietary interfaces they expect the manufacturer to do so
[03:45] <Barridus> actually i do get it
[03:45] <Venko> Then you also charge more to them for Windows if they sell multiple OS options for computers
[03:45] <Barridus> that's why i'm here
[03:45] <JorgeJorgesson> I dont' care about drivers
[03:45] <JorgeJorgesson> Or hardware suppliers
[03:45] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: you need to ... that's where the problem lies
[03:45] <JorgeJorgesson> I bought a laptop
[03:45] <JorgeJorgesson> I want it to work
[03:46] <Barridus> My car's at the body shop
[03:46] <Barridus> I want it to be repaired already
[03:46] <Barridus> (not a joke :p)
[03:46] <JorgeJorgesson> Right, you do
[03:46] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: and you think microsoft made it work for windows?
[03:46] <JorgeJorgesson> Do I care if ford made the radio?
[03:46] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: microsoft did NOT ... the manufacturer did ... Microsoft has the clout to force the manufacturer to do the work
[03:47] <Barridus> obviously not, cuz then you'd be clear on who makes what for what
[03:47] <Venko> Furthermore the manufacturers often do a poor job
[03:47] <PhotoJim> JorgeJorgesson: if Ford sold you a radio that wouldn't get stations in your area that you wanted, you'd consider a different car.  So too should you consider the laptop that runs the OS you want.
[03:47] <rm```> Microsoft started small, and now they're in a very good position where a manufacturer will have to make their hardware work on Windows, or no-one will buy it
[03:47] <Barridus> you're just pointing the finger at an invisible antagonist for your worries
[03:47] <Venko> A lot of FOSS gnu/linux drivers are better than their Windows counterparts
[03:47] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: on the Linux side ... Linux developers are very willing to do ALL the driver development FOR the manufacturers ... once they have the documentation for the hardware
[03:47] <Skapare> rm: exactly
[03:48] <bjsnider> it takes money to release documentation
[03:48] <solorvox> you guys are way off topic
[03:48] <Barridus> gonna afk for a bit until "ZOMG OS WARZ" cools off here.
[03:48] <bjsnider> amd had to hire people specifically to go thru the documentation they have and then release it
[03:48] <JorgeJorgesson> Ok, I'm fighting a losing battle here.  I'm sorry, I gave it a shot on my machines.  It did not work, but you guys tried and I thank you.
[03:49] <Skapare> bjsnider: they can release the same doc that the "drivers for windows" developers used, and put it on torrent for the bandwidth
[03:49] <bjsnider> obviosly it isn't that simple
[03:49] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: sorry to hear we are unable to make a driver for your hardware
[03:49] <solorvox> is there a way to turn off the home dir encryption without reinstall?
[03:50] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: if you ever get into the business of making computer hardware, send us the hardware specs so we can make drivers for that
[03:50] <rm```> heh, I was wondering about that a few minutes ago solorvox
[03:50] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: no worries, I still have the xp discs.  I can get them working
[03:50] <rm```> you can just make a new account
[03:50] <solorvox> rm```: are you using it?
[03:50] <rm```> no
[03:50] <bjsnider> what was jorgesson's problem?
[03:51] <solorvox> oh, I've got lockups and kernel oops, trying to find the source.  went from ext4 to 3, now have to try that
[03:51] <rm```> the --encrypt-home option for adduser will create a user account with an encrypted home directory
[03:51] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: you can also go buy hardware that "just works" when you are ready to buy more, at www.system76.com and other places like it
[03:51] <solorvox> ah, ok, I will try that
[03:51] <Barridus> brb
[03:51] <rm```> so you could try making a new account without that option, to avoid it messing up
[03:51] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: or do like I do and buy boards from Linux friendly companies and build your own
[03:51] <solorvox> maybe I can get lucky and copy my existing data out first. :p
[03:51] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: I already have these.  Might as well use them
[03:52] <rm```> but there is probably a simpler way to decrypt everything
[03:52] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: yes, you might as well ... Vista?  no, XP
[03:52] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: xp
[03:52] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: for sure
[03:52] <bjsnider> vista's better than xp
[03:52] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: I still use XP for where I need to use Windows
[03:52] <solorvox> rm```: if you find it, let me know... going to be doing it the hard way in the mean time
[03:52] <JorgeJorgesson> Skapare: see, you still need to use.....
[03:53] <rm```> vista is nice, in my opinion (please don't hurt me)
[03:53] <Skapare> bjsnider: for bigger machines (and my new desktop is plenty), yes it is
[03:53] <rm```> but the reason I use gnu/linux is for the software freedom, that is very important to me
[03:53] <JorgeJorgesson> rm```: Vista is not as bad as everyone would lead you to believe.
[03:53] <solorvox> seriously guys, take this OS crap to another channel, it's not only off topic but is source of endless flames
[03:53] <JorgeJorgesson> Not as good either!
[03:54] <bjsnider> rm```, so for you, it is about ideology
[03:54] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: very occasionally use Windows ... because I am used to the look and feel of Visio ... and need to test web sites in Explorer
[03:54] <JorgeJorgesson> Actually, solorvox is right.
[03:54] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: one machine with a plug-in drive to switch to Windows
[03:54] <rm```> bjsnider: partially it is, but I like using Linux anyway and I used it long before I cared about free software
[03:54] <bjsnider> me too
[03:55] <Skapare> JorgeJorgesson: I also have 2 Solaris boxes :)
[03:55] <rm```> DRM makes me ballmer-rage :(
[03:55] <bjsnider> windows and linux both have major weaknesses though, but different ones
[03:55]  * Skapare hands rm a chair
[03:56] <JorgeJorgesson> guys, really, solorox was right.  Not on topic
[03:56]  * rm``` throws the chair at microsoft/securom/[insert villain here] and shouts a lot
[03:57] <DG19075> will never go back to Windows....
[03:57]  * Skapare hands rm a barcalounger
[04:04] <coz_> hey guys...big update just now...anything to be aware of before I reboot? :)
[04:04] <dtchen> beware your next-of-kin. and the black guardian.
[04:05] <coz_> :)
[04:05] <coz_> ok so no real issues then?
[04:05] <dtchen> not that i've experienced.
[04:05] <coz_> ok thanks :)
[04:08] <PhotoJim> and don't eat yellow snow.
[04:08] <Barridus> alright, back.  i tried to mount my encrypted /home in the live cd to copy my backup files back.  it won't let me access it from livecd.  what can i do?  just cp -ax it all back while running off the installed os?  or perhaps after terminating xorg first?
[04:09] <Barridus> or gdm rather
[04:09] <PhotoJim> is your intention to not use encrypted /home anymore?
[04:09] <Barridus> oh i want it encrypted still, i'm just restoring from backup since the install is new
[04:12] <Skapare> Barridus: raw sector backup or a tarball?
[04:12] <Barridus> i just copyed over the tree with owner/permission
[04:12] <Barridus> rsync'ed over, rather
[04:13] <Skapare> Barridus: to another hard drive I take it
[04:13] <Barridus> yeah on a windows box across the network
[04:13] <Barridus> the files are all back on my ubuntu Desktop
[04:13] <Skapare> so you need to get the Live CD to understand how to mount it encrypted, or else do this later once the system is installed
[04:13] <Barridus> i was gonna do the final copy to their home
[04:14] <Barridus> oh man, really?
[04:14]  * Skapare needs to look into doing an encrypted disk, partition, or filesystem, some day
[04:14] <Barridus> well maybe i'll skip it then
[04:15] <Skapare> whenever I install new systems, I always install fresh, then repopulate /home afterwards
[04:15] <Barridus> the docs and such can be moved in now, it's the settings i'll lose, but whatever
[04:15] <Barridus> yeah that's what i did here, Skapare.  didn't occur to myself i shot myself in the foot with encryption though XD
[04:15]  * Skapare makes notes about his settings as he does them, then re-installs to make the notes are correct
[04:16] <Skapare> make sure
[04:17] <Skapare> you did the rsync when the fs was mounted, so it appeared clear ... so your backup files are not encrypted
[04:17] <Skapare> so when you re-install, just re-enabled the encryption ... doesn't even have to be the same key (but of course you need to remember the new one if you change it)
[04:17] <Skapare> then rsync back
[04:20] <Barridus> hmm, where is encryption?
[04:22] <Barridus> how would i encrypt or unencrypt the home folder?
[04:22] <dinkus> alright - just got Jaunty up and running on my MacBookPro 4,1 - followed the instructions per the ubuntu help wiki... and now my keyboard doesn't work...
[04:22] <dinkus> any one have any ideas?
[04:23] <dinkus> worked before i followed the wiki instructions
[04:23] <Volkodav> wiki for jaunty ?
[04:24] <dinkus> well... whatever this is... its maybe not a wiki
[04:24] <dinkus> but yea
[04:24] <dinkus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro4-1/Jaunty
[04:24] <nztal> Skapare, how do you keep your encrypted /home on the alternate cd when reinstalling ?  you just need the key that was generated ?
[04:25] <dinkus> anyone? don't everyone try to help all at once... the writing gets too hard to follow
[04:26] <Volkodav> dinkus did you update jaunty and how did you install ?
[04:26] <dinkus> i installed from a live cd.
[04:26] <dinkus> i followed the instructions verbatim
[04:26] <PhotoJim> dinkus: not sure if you're being humourous or taking a stab at us, but we're not getting paid to type instant responses. :)
[04:26] <PhotoJim> my instinct is to reconfigure x.  that will require that you log in with a different (USB) keyboard temporarily, most likely.
[04:27] <dinkus> everything worked yesterday fine... then i saved the files as per the instructions and after reboot noting.
[04:27] <Volkodav> I have my 5.1 macbook pro running jaunty ok
[04:27] <dinkus> yea... i can get to the system by booting through a live cd and then editing something... i just dont know where to go to look.
[04:27] <PhotoJim> reconfiguring X with the actual system running will be easier.  do you have or can you borrow a USB keyboard?
[04:27] <dinkus> on that wiki... could have been this issue: sudo gedit /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi  - ?
[04:27] <dinkus> photojim - i dont
[04:28] <PhotoJim> dinkus: no desktop in your household?
[04:28] <Volkodav> what CD did you use for install ?
[04:28] <dinkus> photojim - nope...
[04:28] <dinkus> RC candidate
[04:28] <dinkus> desktop edition
[04:28] <Volkodav> so keyboard is dead ?
[04:29] <dinkus> its got to be something to do with that wiki because it worked before I made the changes... is there anything in the wiki you could see that i could have done to kill it?
[04:29] <dinkus> volkodav - yup. doesn't see it at all
[04:30] <Volkodav> touchpad works ?
[04:30] <dinkus> yea.. no problems there
[04:30] <dinkus> the new changes (e.g. left click etc...) all work great now... just the keyboard dissappeared
[04:30] <dinkus> i had some other problems with the wiki that i managed to get around... but not everything worked as per it said it should.
[04:31] <dinkus> so maybe something just dead
[04:31] <Volkodav> did that happened after update or just after install ?
[04:31] <dinkus> install worked fine
[04:31] <dinkus> after the update
[04:31] <PhotoJim> did you do a soft reboot or a hard reboot?
[04:31] <dinkus> i installed... then rebooted... then fixed the wifi - rebooted... then made trackpad and keyboard changes... then dead (trackpad works tho)
[04:31] <PhotoJim> if soft, you might try a hard
[04:31] <dinkus> blacklist usbhid - this have anything to do with it?
[04:32] <dinkus> photojim - i can try that... i'm booted into my OSX right now... so i'll see if anything else comes up... then try
[04:32] <PhotoJim> dinkus: worth a try.  I don't think it will work, but there is a chance it will if it's a weird hardware configuration issue.
[04:32] <dinkus> what did blacklisting the USBHID do?
[04:32] <dinkus> that wasn't the issue was it?
[04:33] <Volkodav> I suggest you wait a week for a release and try the latest updates
[04:33] <PhotoJim> dinkus: it prevents your system from using that driver.  hid is for human interface devices like mice and keyboards via USB.
[04:33] <dinkus> volkodav - problem is everything else works... i'd rather not restart from scratch... i can... but it would be nice to update from wtihin my install... not re-install because i cant type or give root pass
[04:34] <dinkus> photojim - so maybe removing that line that i put in would get things up and going again.
[04:34] <dinkus> i'll try hard boot and then remove that line if i can borrow a usb keyboard from someone.
[04:35] <dinkus> welp... this is a start... thanks guys.
[04:35] <Volkodav> it seems to me you borked something during that wiki
[04:35] <dinkus> perhaps...
[04:35] <Volkodav> god knows what it is
[04:36] <PhotoJim> dinkus: what I see in that howto thinks it's just used for the touchpad, so in theory it shouldn't matter...
[04:36] <dinkus> that wiki needs some updating... rEFIt never needed to do anything... no partition syncing problems at all...
[04:36] <dinkus> photojim - thats exactly right.. its the theory that always gets us tho.
[04:36] <dinkus> out boys.
[04:36] <Volkodav> there are partiton syncing on 5.1 left and right so that part is a safety layer
[04:37] <jschall> release is very soon, right?
[04:39] <PhotoJim> next week.
[04:39] <PhotoJim> I think.  or very early the following.
[04:39] <PhotoJim> !jaunty
[04:40] <PhotoJim> April 23, evidently.
[04:40] <PhotoJim> So a week today.
[04:43] <Finnish> I've got this very strange problem with HDMI on my 23" screen, can someone help me?
[04:50] <DooohHead> any wifi related problems with Jaunty?
[04:52] <DooohHead> anyone know of any reported problems with wifi using Jaunty?
[04:52] <Athenon> I just upgraded to 9.04rc....when I go to upgrade (finish the upgrade)...the update manager.  When I go to the update manager and click "Partial upgrade", it goes through the first step then immediately closes without warning or error.  It does this every time I go there, so apparently something isn't getting installed right.  any ideas?
[04:52] <Athenon> The upgrades shown under "Distribution Upgrade" are brasero and liblucene2-java
[04:54] <Athenon> I mean, it's nothing crucial....it installed and runs fine aside from that.  But it may be a bug perchance?
[04:55] <dan457> Use synaptic
[04:55] <The_Drizzle> How's Jaunty coming along?
[04:59] <Athenon> ok cool awesome thanks
[05:15] <ugliefrog> anyone having problems in firefox, where youre keyboard and mouse freezes up
[05:27] <ugliefrog> anyone having problems in firefox, where youre keyboard and mouse freezes up
[05:27] <dan457> Not here
[05:35] <ghindo> Gmail isn't loading on Firefox properly - is anybody else having this problem?
[05:36] <dan457> On one box ya
[05:39] <adoleo> ghindo: It's been fine for me
[05:45] <Aleksey_S> dtchen : hello
[05:46] <perlsyntax> is the release candidate stable?
[05:46] <perlsyntax> for  ubuntu 9.04
[05:48] <dan457> Depends
[05:49] <perlsyntax> i just download it
[05:49] <perlsyntax> it look stable to me
[05:50] <dan457> Works on most of my stuff.  I've had issues with intel 815 or any new ati video so far.
[05:50] <perlsyntax> i have no probs with it
[05:51] <cyclobs> hey guys, trying to set up partitions here, i want to set up 2 partitons. mainly 1 for /home. can i just set up 1 partition for /home and another for / or do i have to set up every other partition as well?
[05:51] <dan457> yes
[05:52] <dan457> do a / and one for /home
[05:52] <cyclobs> ah awesome, thanks
[06:39] <Trewas> upgrade to jaunty was otherwise uneventful but unfortunately nvidia's driver still doesn't work correctly with two monitors (set as separate screens) :(
[06:39] <dan457> does here
[06:40] <Trewas> when running compiz actually, works fine with metacity
[06:40] <dan457> using compiz here
[06:40] <dan457> 9800GT
[06:40] <Trewas> bug 290774
[06:41] <Trewas> so the second monitor (actually tv) has a black bar in the right side because it has higher resolution than the first monitor
[06:42] <dan457> you can set the monitors to different resolutions
[06:43] <Trewas> yes, they are set to correct resolutions, but with compiz the second monitor apparently cannot be higher resolution than the first one (due to nvidia bug)
[06:43] <Trewas> hrm which has the obvios solution, I should buy a new monitor with >=full-hd resolution :)
[06:44] <dan457> lol
[06:44] <Moc> The key shortcut to switch keyboard language (Both(left,right) ALT key) doesn't work
[06:44] <dan457> or switch primary screens
[06:47] <Moc> it been broken since 8.10 (8.04 worked fine)
[06:48] <Trewas> actually that doesn't help because currently the monitor is 1280x1024 and tv 1360x768, so whichever is the primary, the other has higher resolution in x or y direction
[06:49] <Trewas> most probably use two monitors with twinview/xinerama, where it works correctly, so the bug is not very visible :(
[06:50] <Trewas> but that sucks when the screens are really separate
[07:08] <belred> where in ubuntu 9.04 is the upgrade notification?
[07:08] <thalias09> Hi there. I get these "perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset),  LC_COLLATE = "C", LANG = "de_DE.UTF8"  are supported and installed on your system." warnings after an apt-get. ...
[07:09] <Moc> well, there is no update yet, so you get no notification I guess
[07:09] <thalias09> ... I already run "locale-gen de_DE.UTF8"
[07:10] <belred> Moc: when i used kde, there was an icon that displayed when there were updates, but i don't see it in gnome
[07:10] <thalias09> What should I do to not get these warnings, please?
[07:10] <Moc> belred: I dont see the update icon unless there is an update
[07:10] <belred> there has been updates every day since i installed ubuntu
[07:12] <thalias09> And the locales package is also installed
[07:12] <belred> Moc: i just ran the upgrade manager and there was a lot of updates, but i never got a notification
[07:13] <racecar56> i gotta go, bye peoplez
[07:13] <Moc> belred: same here then
[07:13] <Moc> maybe it was disabled in the rc ?
[07:14] <aaron____> hello. I'm having some trouble connecting to a particular wireless network in the jaunty release candidate
[07:15] <aaron____> there are some I can connect to fine, but the my own won't even give me a connection dialog like the other, unsecured ones do
[07:15] <aaron____> can anybody give me some advice, please?
[07:15] <belred> Moc: i never ran ubuntu before.  i've used kubuntu for years.  maybe gnome doesn't have this feature.
[07:16] <aaron____> sorry, I meant kubuntu
[07:16] <aaron____> the new network management applet
[07:18] <fug> i recently changed my file system from ext3 to 4 and everything was working great until the second reboot at which point i now receive the error 13 invalid or unsupported executable format
[07:19] <fug> only option i have now is to edit the grub menu
[07:19] <fug> since i cannot boot into recovery
[07:21] <fug> actually i can get to  busy box with an older kernel
[07:21] <SandGorgon> guys.. is anyone using nvidia graphics cards on kde... is it usable ?
[07:25] <mac_vr> hi all... i keep getting 408 errors with launchpad and a few other sites... any help here?
[07:28] <mac_vr>  hi all... i keep getting 408 errors with launchpad and a few other sites... any help here?
[07:29] <Veinor> has anyone here heard of apt-p2p?
[07:32] <mac_vr>  hi all... i keep getting 408 errors in jaunty ,with launchpad and a few other sites... any ideas what could be wrong??
[07:35] <Skapare> anyone know why there is no .jigdo file for the "desktop" ISOs, but there is for "alternate" and "server" ?
[07:35] <andresmh> i'm running Pidigin on Jaunty and I would like to know how I can make the Pidgin events to show up using the new Jaunty notification?
[07:36] <Veinor> Go to Tools>Plugins
[07:36] <Veinor> Enable libnotify popups.
[07:37] <andresmh> thanks Veinor, it's already enabled
[07:37] <Veinor> Hmm.
[07:37] <Veinor> Try highlighting it and clicking configure plugin, see what's checked
[07:37] <DanaG> ugh, stupid Tracker... prompts over and over and over again with "corrupted index"
[07:38] <DanaG> I hit reindex... it asks me again right away, on top of the other "are you sure?" dialog.
[07:38] <andresmh> all it's checked Veinor
[07:38] <Veinor> Weird. And you're not getting notifications when people send you messages?
[07:38] <Veinor> Try opening a terminal and running notify-send foo bar
[07:38] <andresmh> no, i just get the new chat window pop under
[07:39] <andresmh> Veinor,  notify-send foo bar worked
[07:39] <Veinor> Hmm.
[07:40] <andresmh> also Gwibber is showing notifications
[07:40] <andresmh> it's just pidgin i think
[07:40] <Veinor> Sounds like a pidgin issue then
[07:40] <andresmh> is there a way I can "revert" pidgin to its factory settings?
[07:41] <Veinor> I think if you rename ~/.purple
[07:41] <Alexia_Death> anybody here using knetworkmanager?
[07:42] <Veinor> To something else, it should delete preferences.
[07:52] <DanaG> stupid notify-osd and pidgin:
[07:52] <DanaG> just gave me a notification:
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[07:53] <DanaG> is offline
[07:53] <DanaG> is offline
[07:57] <inasmu> Is there any way to log in to the Guest Account without using the user switcher? i.e. from GDM or a locked screen?
[08:00] <mac_vr>  hi all... i keep getting 408 errors in jaunty ,with launchpad and a few other sites... any ideas what could be wrong??
[08:01] <Veinor> HTTP 408?
[08:02] <mac_vr> Veinor: yeah
[08:02] <Veinor> Does that happen all the time?
[08:02] <mac_vr> its been happening for the past 3 days
[08:02] <Veinor> I mean, does it happen eery time you try to connect?
[08:03] <droid7> is there any fix for video tearing with intel gm9xx cards?
[08:03] <mac_vr> i'v tried to access from firefox/epiphany/terminal but it just keeps timing out!
[08:03] <mac_vr> Veinor: yes everytime... i cant even file a bug regarding this!
[08:04] <Veinor> Every browser too?
[08:05] <Veinor> Like, did you try installing lynx and using it?
[08:05] <mac_vr> Veinor: didnt try lynx, but since i got it from the terminal tooo, i'd expect the same from lynx
[08:06] <Veinor> Hmm.
[08:06] <Veinor> Which sites does it happen on?
[08:06] <mac_vr> launchpad
[08:07] <Veinor> Any others?
[08:07] <Shoonyata> Hi all, has anyone tried to install jaunty on a alu iMac ?
[08:07] <Veinor> Also, did you try rebooting or connecting to the internet a different way?
[08:09] <mac_vr> Veinor: i
[08:10] <Shoonyata> Nobody ?
[08:10] <mac_vr> Veinor: i'v been trying everything , reboot/ new profile
[08:10] <Veinor> Maybe it's your connection
[08:11] <Veinor> Like, what happens when you just try pinging it?
[08:11] <droid7> what's UXA?
[08:12] <mac_vr> Veinor: i tried the same page from windows[dual boot] from same system, but page works fine in windows
[08:12] <mac_vr> Veinor: i didnt try ping.. how do i do it?
[08:12] <Veinor> open up a terminal and run ping launchpad.net
[08:13] <shell32> how about wine in jaunty?
[08:14] <shell32> alow?
[08:14] <mac_vr> Veinor: it just is going on and on...
[08:14] <Veinor> What's it saying
[08:14] <shell32> how about wine in jaunty?
[08:14] <Veinor> Are they all doing the same thing?
[08:14] <Veinor> shell32: I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work
[08:15] <mac_vr> Veinor: 64 bytes from vanadium.canonical.com (91.189.90.211): icmp_seq=110 ttl=43 time=327 ms <<<repeating
[08:15] <blackmoon> hi, i'm unable to play video in vlc in the main window of program (even if the "include video in interface" option is enebled). someone else have this problem?
[08:15] <Veinor> OK, so you can ping it. That's normal.
[08:16] <mac_vr> Veinor: ok... so why am i not able to post /comment or report bug?
[08:16] <Veinor> What happens if you open a terminal, cd to /tmp, and run wget launchpad.net
[08:16] <Veinor> Wait.
[08:16] <mac_vr> wait
[08:16] <mac_vr> ?
[08:16] <Veinor> Does that just happen whenever you try to post a comment or when you go to launchpad.net
[08:16] <Veinor> ?
[08:17] <Shoonyata> Hi has somebody installed Jaunty on an iMac ?
[08:17] <Veinor> I mean, if you just open up your browser and go to launchpad.net, does it work?
[08:18] <mac_vr> sorry i had this discussio here yeterday, so forgot to mention form begining...only when i try to post a comment/report bug on launchpad... i have this timing out problem
[08:18] <Veinor> Ahhh.
[08:19] <Veinor> I'm going to try posting a comment, see if I can replicate.
[08:20] <mac_vr> Veinor: others are able to , but just not me!!!. i'v tried from my windows partition , it works from there! but just from ubuntu i'm not able to!
[08:20] <Veinor> Hmm. I have no clue why that would be, to be honest.
[08:21] <mac_vr> Veinor: today i tried to post the bug via mail, using thunderbird... so was uploading the pgp key to launchpad keyserver... i got 408 error!
[08:24] <droid7> is there any fix for video tearing with intel gm9xx cards?
[08:31] <mac_vr> Veinor: same problem with the ubuntu forums website too... anyway someone could check this? could this be an ip block?
[08:38] <Skapare> anyone know why there is no .jigdo file for the "desktop" ISOs, but there is for "alternate" and "server" ?
[08:46] <eagles0513875> mac_vr: hey how did it go with kmyfirewall
[08:54] <mac_vr> eagles0513875: got toooo confused!!!
[08:55] <eagles0513875> :(
[08:55] <mac_vr> was very sleepy when i tried it , so  ended up with no firewall!
[08:55] <eagles0513875> mac_vr: dont give up on it youll have yourself a very powerful iptable firewall
[08:56] <mac_vr> eagles0513875: will try again, but i think i have to read the instructions.. will be trying in the free time..
[08:56] <eagles0513875> mac_vr: good luck im in the process of setting up me own server on me own laptop with it as well
[08:56] <khunt> I have installed flah from the adobe site but firefox keeps using swdec which doesnt work on the website I am trying to view how do
[08:57] <eagles0513875> !flash
[08:57] <khunt> I get rid of swfdec and use flash
[08:57] <Assid> yoza
[08:57] <shell32> webcam in jaunty cant use with acer 4520
[08:57] <eagles0513875> khunt: see that link
[08:57] <Assid> are we ready to roll
[08:58] <shell32> WE LEAVE THE MICROSOFT
[08:58] <mac_vr> shell32: the webcam wont work... i'v given up on it too.. the webcam will work in the kernel 2.29/30 ... if u want the cam working u can try that kernel... thats the only solution
[09:00] <shell32> where i can get????
[09:01] <mac_vr> idont know about kernels... u might want to ask> ur question again... for upgrading the kernel[check that link i had given u for the correct kernel]
[09:04] <khunt> flash still doesnt work firefox is using the free flash plugin swfdec and not the proper flash plugin how do i force it?
[09:11] <egonw> moin, I did a fresh install of 9.04 RC1 ... the live CD had sound, but the install does not... new account, empty home folder...
[09:11] <egonw> using the kubuntu RC, and KDE desktop
[09:11] <ugliefrog> hell all, I crashed my sys with 9.04 tday, up and running again in 8.10. My question is when the release is final will 8.10 get alot of updates to. Because 9.04 so far freezes my sys up
[09:14] <kazagistar> so, I just tried to boot off the live-cd of the release candidate
[09:14] <kazagistar> it instantly kernel-paniced
[09:15] <kazagistar> I used the AMD64 disk on a computer with an i7 disk and a nVidea 9800 graphics card
[09:15] <andresmh> i installed 9.04 and applying all the updates via Update Manager. Does it make any sense for me to re-install 9.04 once it's released?
[09:16] <ugliefrog> I did fresh install too, but my sys kept having random freezes
[09:19] <timfrost> kazagistar: what is the system CPU?  The 64-bit kernel won't boot (and will panic) if the CPU isn't a supported 64-bit CPU.
[09:20] <kazagistar> its a quad core 64-bit... I am using a brand new i7 from Intel
[09:21] <kazagistar> timfrost: I installed debian and it seemed to work fine, so it is not a hardware problem
[09:24] <macvr> ikonia: hi
[09:24] <macvr> ikonia: i had problems with the webpages, connecting to launchpad...
[09:25] <macvr> ikonia: i also have similar problems connecting to ubuntu forums
[09:25] <klb_> does anyone else have problems with lagging flash movies in firefox?
[09:26] <klb_> works fine on micro$ os http://starcraft2.com/features/battlereports/2.xml
[09:27] <macvr> klb_: i'm watching flash video , right now... i working fine here
[09:28] <klb_> macvr, no lagging?
[09:28] <CQ> hello, I have a hardy laptop, how can I best get it to jaunty? apt-get dist-upgrade isn't doing it...
[09:28] <macvr> nope..
[09:29] <CQ> and setting pre-release sources active in adept isn't either
[09:29] <klb_> macvr, what player are you using?
[09:29] <macvr> klb_: adobe
[09:30] <klb_> macvr, and firefox
[09:30] <depape> omebody know something about this?
[09:30] <depape> hi, I have a bug with gnome-panel with jaunty, the order of the applets/controls changed after I logged in/out.
[09:30] <macvr> klb_: adobe 10 in firefox... u?
[09:31] <klb_> macvr, the same
[09:32] <macvr> klb_: by lagging u mean difference between voice and pics?
[09:32] <klb_> macvr, yes and and stopping
[09:32] <klb_> macvr, even while the buffer is full
[09:33] <macvr> klb_: i had that prob ,earlier but now working fine
[09:33] <kazagistar> so if I get kernel panics when I try to run the server install, would a older version, like a alpha or beta have any chance of working better?
[09:35] <klb_> macvr, could you tell me wich package you have installed?
[09:36] <macvr> klb_: adobe 10.0.22.87-2
[09:36] <bigbrovar> One of the feature i was praying would be implemented in ubuntu is the ability of Intel GMA965 cards to support dual monitor and compiz at the same time. my pray was answered then the mesa package with the fix was release as update during the the beta, however to my dismay upon installing the ubuntu rc (clean install) its back to the bad old days :(, am unable to have compiz and dual monitor again.. everytime i try to setup dual monitor, compiz get di
[09:36] <bigbrovar> sabled .. can any one confirm this
[09:36] <klb_> macvr, oki, what is the name of the deb package?
[09:37] <macvr> adobe-flashplugin...? i dont understand wht u r asking
[09:37] <arkygeek> hi.  we have jaunty installed and running very nicely on an acer aspineOne.  One glitch however, is that apps like QtiPlot have completely scrambled menus and info windows.  The font is absolutely scrambled.  any hints?
[09:37] <timfrost> CQ: upgrade to a new release isn't automatic. To get from hardy to jaunty, you will need to do 2 upgrades (hardy->intrepid, then intrepid->jaunty)  Basics: do a full update of hardy using update-manager, then run 'sudo update-manager -c' to look for a new distribution (more options will be available because hardy is an LTS release) - this will update to intrepid.  Fully update intrepid, then run 'sudo update-man
[09:38] <CQ> timfrost: thanks, found it already, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[09:38] <CQ> it does work directly.
[09:38] <depape> can someone tell me if vpnc with SSL support will make it into Jaunty ? I'm already missed it in intrepid
[09:39] <arkygeek> it seems like other Qt based apps are doing the same
[09:39] <timfrost> CQ: there are probably several similar instruction pages.  Good luck with  the upgrade.
[09:39] <soc> does someone know if that prerelease-version of the proprietary amd catalyst driver will be updatetd to the stable one, released today?
[09:40] <CQ> timfrost: it's a clean install, so it's no risk
[09:46] <arkygeek> I am just going to repeat this one more time (sorry!).  We have jaunty installed and running very nicely on an acer aspineOne.  One glitch however, is that apps like QtiPlot have completely scrambled menus and info windows.  The font is absolutely scrambled.  any hints?
[09:49] <soc> arkygeek: could it be that the fonts are too big or too small?
[09:49] <soc> afaik there were many changes to dpi-related things lately ...
[09:50] <arkygeek> i set the font sizes to 96 dpi in xorg.conf
[09:51] <arkygeek> I added Option "NoDDC" to Devices  and  DisplaySize 195 113  to the Monitor Section
[09:51] <arkygeek> rebooted, and no change
[09:52] <arkygeek> soc: is there anything else I can try?
[10:08] <aaron> can anybody tell if there's something I'm missing when it comes to installing digikam in jaunty?
[10:08] <aaron> it says I have to uninstall libgpod4-nogtk but trying to do that tells me it will uninstall amarok2
[10:09] <aaron> it seems like it's set up so that the 2 programs can't exist simultaneously
[10:11] <Aison> with jaunty I allways get these strange errors when restarting the networking
[10:11] <Aison> http://rafb.net/p/ROMzPU35.html
[10:11] <Aison> why?
[10:11] <dennda> Hi. I removed the new notification applet from the panel. How can I restore it? I cannot find it in "Add to Panel"
[10:12] <aaron> dennda: how did you remove it?
[10:12] <dennda> aaron: by right clicking and "remove from panel"
[10:12] <dennda> i think
[10:12] <dennda> how else would i?
[10:12] <aaron> are you talking about the device notifier?
[10:12] <dennda> not quite
[10:12] <aaron> I don't know, I wasn't aware it was possible to do it at all, if it's what I'm thinking of
[10:13] <dennda> I'm talking about the little envelope icon that informs you about messages in pidgin, evolution, etc
[10:13] <aaron> the little blue icon with the 'i' in it that pops up info on file transfers and thinks?
[10:13] <bazhang> dennda, in kubuntu?
[10:13] <aaron> oh
[10:13] <dennda> No, ubuntu with gnome
[10:14] <aaron> oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about kubuntu. I don't know for gnome
[10:26] <maccam94> i'm getting a lot of wget tcp kernel errors
[10:26] <maccam94> [43586.051428] TCP(wget:15654): Application bug, race in MSG_PEEK.
[10:27] <soc> arkygeek: no idea, maybe you could search for this bug on launchpad?
[10:29] <aaron> it looks like I've found the 'answer' to my problem, although it was a little bit scary
[10:30] <aaron> I had to uninstall libgpod4-nogtk and install libgpod4
[10:30] <aaron> let it uninstall amarok, then install digikam, then reinstall amarok and now I have everything running together
[10:30] <aaron> that should be fixed before actually releasing, although I don't know how
[10:31] <ernie_eu> hi I want to download 9.04 RC, the question is: when final version will be released, is it better to make then fresh install again ?
[10:32] <nandemonai> I see no problem updating RC to final through update manager.
[10:32] <nandemonai> I'm not going to reinstall and I've been using since early beta.
[10:34] <ernie_eu> nandemonai: uh-huh, but usually it recommended to make new install, not update.. or not ?
[10:35] <nandemonai> ernie_eu: I don't think it's reccomended to do a fresh install unless something has broken. Updates should be fine.
[10:35] <ernie_eu> nandemonai: ok, thank you, I will give it a try :)
[10:40] <Aison> ach, wtf is going on here :(   not even nslookup http://kh.google.com works
[10:40] <Aison> I allways get ** server can't find http://kh.google.com: NXDOMAIN
[10:40] <Aison> but only on one of my ubuntu machines
[10:41] <Aison> resolv.conf looks right
[10:42] <penthief> nslookup kh.google.com
[10:43] <Aison> ah yes :(
[10:43] <penthief> :)
[10:46] <Aison> is googleearth somehow blocked? I can't still use it
[10:48] <kklimonda> hey, i've just noticed that cpu scaling for cores is independent - ie. both cores can be running on different speeds.. is it for real? afair  in the past it was impossible to set speed for each core..
[10:51] <Praveen> when upgrading from intrepid to jaunty, my windows fonts dont seem to be working. i have msttcorefonts installed
[10:52] <Praveen> and i have done sudo fc-cache -fv as well
[10:54] <pucko-> how long does it usually take for a "fix released" on launchpad to work itself into the repositories?
[10:55] <kklimonda> "a while" ;)
[10:55] <kklimonda> it should be on main server immediately but it takes time to sync mirrors.
[10:57] <pucko-> so within a day or two?
[10:57] <pucko-> ok..
[10:58] <pucko-> had this annoying problem that X uses 100% cpu on intel graphics
[10:58] <kklimonda> few hours
[11:00] <drbobb> hmm with jaunty, i'm even starting to _like_ kde4 - but i want my transparent panels back ;-/
[11:00] <xolve> Hello. Desktop effects didn't work in intrepid on intel 845 graphics chip, but they did work in hardy. Does desktop effects work in jaunty on intel 845.
[11:00] <pucko-> xolve, right now there seems to be a problem with most intel graphic boards...
[11:01] <pucko-> xolve, although, if they didn't work in intrepid I don't know
[11:01] <xolve> well release notes say that it has been *fixed*. I can't understand with propriety nvidia drivers they work. But not with opensource intel.
[11:02] <pucko-> huh?
[11:03] <xolve> pucko-, ?
[11:03] <kklimonda> is it worth to disable one core to preserve battery?
[11:04] <pucko-> all I know is that there is a problem with the current xorg-xserver-video-intel
[11:04] <Omar87> My system refuses to continue the upgrade.
[11:05] <Omar87> It downloaded 51 files out of 69, and then it refused to go on, stating that there's a problem with the connection or something.
[11:17] <Praveen> fonts in firefox look weird eventhough i have msttcorefonts installed
[11:18] <Praveen> why is that?
[11:18] <Praveen> i upgraded from intrepid to jaunty yesterday
[11:22] <anderson> how to sudo without password ?
[11:23] <anderson> anderson        ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[11:23] <anderson> no effect
[11:24] <xolve> Hello. Desktop effects didn't work in intrepid on intel 845 graphics chip, but they did work in hardy. Does desktop effects work in jaunty on intel 845.
[11:25] <mrwes> Compiz can not be enable with this card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
[11:25] <mrwes>  -- worked with 8.10
[11:25] <mrwes> xolve, I think there are issues with Intel: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1126944
[11:30] <Praveen> fonts in firefox are not correct eventhough i have msttcorefonts installed
[11:34] <iElec> hey guys
[11:34] <iElec> is this a place to report RC bugs?
[11:36] <lanoxx-> i just booted from a usb key into the jaunty rc
[11:36] <lanoxx-> horrible :(
[11:36] <iElec> after upgrade from 8.10 my system does not boot
[11:36] <lanoxx-> iElec, please give us more information
[11:36] <yofel> iElec: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu just say that you're using 9.04 in the bug report
[11:36] <iElec> loading bar shows up and then just some anomalies
[11:36] <iElec> can I elaborate here?
[11:36] <iElec> or should submit the bug rather
[11:37] <lanoxx-> rather a bug, if you have enough information
[11:38] <lanoxx-> i just tried to install xchat-gnome inside the livecd... it failed with libc6 errors
[11:41] <Praveen> fonts in firefox are not correct eventhough i have msttcorefonts installed
[11:41] <hemi770> hi all
[11:42] <hemi770> i have dual monitors, ATI 4870 ... all good with default drivers in Jaunty R/C, but the restricted drivers don't pick up both screens, and then the display applet hangs when i open i
[11:43] <hemi770> *it
[11:43] <hemi770> anyone else seen that?
[11:43] <Tecn1> hey, guys...
[11:44] <Tecn1> I'm using the 9.04 Release Candidate and my ntfs partitions won't mount during boot.  anyone know why? (my fstab => http://dpaste.com/35111/ )
[11:45] <mrwes> Tecn1, can you mount after booting?
[11:45] <mrwes> sudo mount -a
[11:46] <Tecn1> ntfs-3g: Failed to access volume '/dev/disk/by-uuid/bc48731c4872d51c': No such file or directory
[11:46] <Tecn1> mrwes: in short, no
[11:46] <balachmar> Hi, I just upgraded a system and now it won't boot. It drops to busybox shell. I have checked the UUID's in both the fstab and the menu.list from grub and they are fine. compared with blkid
[11:46] <bXi> heya
[11:47] <bXi> i'm having issues with the little popup that shows up when i change songs in rythmbox for example
[11:47] <balachmar> However when I go to /dev/disk in the busybox shell there is no by-uuid directory.
[11:47] <bXi> can i somehow disable it for some events?
[11:47] <mrwes> Tecn1, run blkid to check the UUID
[11:49] <iElec> aha, xorg 1.6 and fglrx is a no go
[11:49] <iElec> is that corret?
[11:49] <iElec> correct*
[11:51] <iElec> yep.
[11:52] <balachmar> Hmm, an older 27 instead of 28 kernel does work...
[11:53] <Tecn1> mrwes: one of the ntfs partitions mounted the first time i used sudo mount -a and the other went after correcting the uuid.  this still doesn't explain why the one that had the right uuid didn't mount on boot
[11:53] <hemi770> iElec: i'm having trouble with the restricted ATI drivers
[11:54] <iElec> I did apt-get remove --purge fglrx
[11:54] <iElec> and system boots:)
[11:54] <iElec> looks like the support will come just after the 9.04 release
[11:54] <hemi770> mine was booting but display applet crashes
[11:54] <hemi770> that's cool i can wait
[11:55] <hemi770> even better, suspend and resume worked with it unlike intrepid
[11:55] <hemi770> :D
[11:55] <hemi770> fingers crossed that keeps on happening
[11:56] <hemi770> i was wondering if i should report the display applet crashing somewhere though
[11:59] <balachmar> However the gdm greeter seems to be crashing... and I am stuck with 7 packages that encounter errors. One of which is mythbuntu-desktop...
[11:59] <icewaterman> anyone running the 64-bit version of jaunty?
[11:59] <lanoxx-> im just following the discussion about the new update policy stuff, like update manager poping up once in a week or every day if there are security updates available, thats not an improvement in my oppinion
[12:00] <hemi770> icewaterman: yes
[12:00] <icewaterman> hemi770: any serious drawbacks?
[12:00] <lanoxx-> who ever came up with that idea didnt think it through.
[12:00] <hemi770> icewaterman: it fixes just about every minor hassle or workaround i had with 8.04 and 8.10
[12:00] <lanoxx-> I really hope there is a way to get the reboot and updates available icons in the upper panel back
[12:00] <hemi770> just the restricted ATI drivers for me so far, but even they've improved
[12:01] <icewaterman> hemi770: java plugin, flash player, both working?
[12:01] <balachmar> icewarerman: I am running a 64bit system as well. And no drawbacks for me...
[12:01] <balachmar> icewarerman: yep both working
[12:01] <icewaterman> hemi770: i am using the open source ati drivers on 32-bit
[12:01] <icewaterman> dunno if they also work on 64-bit
[12:01] <hemi770> the open source drivers are sweet and have improved
[12:01] <hemi770> works nice with dual screens now
[12:01] <hemi770> i have 4870
[12:02] <mrwes> Tecn1, you verified the mount point too?
[12:02] <hemi770> i just like wobbly windows
[12:02] <Tecn1> mrwes: yes.
[12:02] <icewaterman> hemi770: ok, one issue might be zattoo, dunno if that works on 64-bit
[12:02] <hemi770> java working in FF unlike intrepid ... flash also working fine so far
[12:03] <icewaterman> hemi770: what about openoffice?
[12:03] <hemi770> dunno i use vi
[12:03] <hemi770> haven't fired it up yet
[12:04] <balachmar> How can I make the system try to reinstall itself (like an upgrade) without actually performing a complete reinstall?
[12:04] <mrwes> Tecn1, which one didn't mount? The /XP line?
[12:04] <icewaterman> hemi770: vi vs openoffice is a huge problem if you want diagrams...
[12:04] <hemi770> 1 sec
[12:05] <hemi770> it's 3.0 and it just opened an old .rtf fine
[12:05] <Tecn1> mrwes: neither mounted on boot, /XP mounted with mount -a the first time, and /media/Storage mounted with mount -a after i fixed its UUID.
[12:05] <icewaterman> hemi770: thx, i think i will install it.
[12:06] <icewaterman> hemi770: are there install cds for the release candidate?
[12:06] <mrwes> hrmm
[12:07] <kklimonda> icewaterman: yes - check topic
[12:07] <Tecn1> could this be a bug that needs to be reported and fixed for the ginal release?
[12:07] <hemi770> icewaterman: yes
[12:08] <Tecn1> mrwes: brb, restarting
[12:09] <icewaterman> kklimonda: thx, in irssi the topic is cut off after the beginning, so i can only manually read the topic by /topic
[12:09] <icewaterman> btw, what happened to the opera browser in the ubuntu partner repository?
[12:12] <Aison> I tested everything now, but googleearth can't login to it's servers on my ubuntu
[12:13] <Rods_Tiger> I've got ubuntu 9.04 running on this Acer Aspire One netbook and now it's working (the wireless wasn't initially a few weeks ago but I've finally got it to).
[12:14] <Rods_Tiger> Now, how do I get the 8GB SD card to 'join' with the normal home directory folders, like the Acer Aspire One's Linpus Linux does - it joins the SD card in the 'storage expansion' slot on the left, together with the home folders, so you can't see the difference.
[12:14] <mrwes> Tecn1, you're in CT ?
[12:14] <Tecn1> yes
[12:14] <mrwes> me too :)
[12:15] <mrwes> weird
[12:15] <Tecn1> mrwes: not Storage mounts during boot, but XP doesn't
[12:15] <Rods_Tiger> At the moment, I'm seeing the left SD card as a separate 8GB drive - that's not how it should be on here.
[12:15] <Tecn1> *now
[12:15] <mrwes> hrmm is that path correct /XP ?
[12:15] <Tecn1> yes
[12:16] <Tecn1> in fact, it mounts with mount -a
[12:16] <Tecn1> just not during boot
[12:16] <mrwes> it's a local drive?
[12:16] <mrwes> I'm in Middletown, and you?
[12:17] <Tecn1> ...
[12:17] <Tecn1> wtf
[12:17] <Tecn1> are you fucing with me?
[12:17] <mrwes> me?
[12:17] <Tecn1> yes
[12:17] <mrwes> why do you ask that?
[12:17] <Tecn1> I'm in fucking middletown
[12:17] <mrwes> no
[12:18] <Tecn1> O.o
[12:18] <mrwes> I live in the WestLake area
[12:18] <mrwes> what are the odds of that sheit
[12:18] <mrwes> heh
[12:18] <kklimonda> Tecn1: btw, do you really have to mount it during boot? it should mount automatically when you access it from nautilus. FWIW I think fstab should only contain few entries required to boot system...
[12:19] <mrwes> kklimonda, without an entry in fstab how does it know the mount point?
[12:20] <Tecn1> kklimonda: for one, it doesn't mount with nautilus either... secondly, I'm not planing on accessing it with nautilus.
[12:20] <kklimonda> mrwes: hal handles it - mounts volumes into /media/<LABEL> or /media/disk
[12:20] <mrwes> ahh right
[12:20] <balachmar> I have a mythtv box. And I want to do a fresh install without having to backup all the recordings (I simply can't because I have too little space). All the recordings are somewhere in /var/lib and /var/lib is a separate partition. Is it safe to do a complete reinstall and hope that the recordings are untouched? (I can just reuse existing partitions, right)
[12:21] <mrwes> long as you don't format the partition
[12:21] <kklimonda> Tecn1: there are no messages during boot about this partition?
[12:21] <mrwes> yah...check dmesg | tail
[12:22] <kklimonda> it's weird that mount -a works fine. afaik that's how ubuntu mounts partitions during boot
[12:22] <Tecn1> kklimonda: nope, just the ubuntu splash
[12:22] <balachmar> mrwes would the same be true for mysql databases? or is it better to actually dump them (they are not that big...
[12:22] <mrwes> yah
[12:24] <mrwes> seems the volume is not available right at boot time...shrug
[12:24] <kklimonda> Tecn1: disable splash by removing quiet and splash from entry when you are in grub.
[12:24] <hemi770> i installed mysql this afternoon after copying my old /var/lib/mysql over to /var/lib and it seems fine so far
[12:25] <kklimonda> Tecn1: also dmesg |grep <partition node name. eg. sdb1> may show something
[12:26] <mrwes> Tech1 isn't 0 1  1=only for root/boot partitions?
[12:26] <mrwes> change that to a '2'
[12:27] <mrwes> shrug
[12:27] <Praveen> can anyone help me with a font problem in jaunty
[12:38] <drbobb> hey can anyone confirm that sun's virtualbox works correctly in jaunty?
[12:38] <dtchen> drbobb: 2.2 works fine here.
[12:38] <drbobb> and to be sure, i don't mean jaunty in a vm, i mean launching vm's in jaunty
[12:39] <drbobb> it's pretty essential for me if i am to switch my workstation to kde4
[12:40] <dtchen> drbobb: i use vbox pretty extensively for *ubuntu testing
[12:41] <dtchen> drbobb: throughout jaunty development, i was testing my development snapshots of alsa* and pulseaudio* on bare metal and in various vbox vms.
[12:42] <dtchen> drbobb: you probably should just install it and try it, because no amount of user testimony is really going to change your experience.
[12:45] <kklimonda> dtchen: virtualbox uses alsa and works fine with pulseaudio?
[12:45] <kklimonda> this is the worst drawback of vmware :/
[12:46] <dtchen> kklimonda: vbox's pulseaudio subsystem works fine here
[12:46] <kklimonda> dtchen: and it works fine with host? no shuttering, no problems with access to devices?
[12:46] <dtchen> kklimonda: correct.
[12:46] <dtchen> kklimonda: be aware that i'm running my own kernel with audio fixes that will be in a jaunty SRU kernel.
[12:47] <dtchen> kklimonda: (http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/)
[12:47] <dtchen> which reminds me that i need to respin those for the -11.42 upload
[13:03] <drbobb> dtchen: thanks. I can't risk a nonfunctional setup on my workstation, and restoring from backup is always a hassle and waste of time
[13:04] <Newbee> hello
[13:04] <drbobb> so i'd rather see that odds are it will work fine, but obviously there are no guarantees
[13:08] <Trewas> drbobb: fwiw xp in vitualbox works in jaunty
[13:08] <rene_> hi room
[13:12] <Newbee> I have a problem with my display resulution. when I start jaunty the display ist blurry and when I open the display settings everything is ok but i have to du this after each reboot.
[13:12] <Newbee> what can I do?
[13:14] <drbobb> Trewas: ok that's good enough for me
[13:30] <exco1> what could be the cause for my dialogs to take forever to show (e.g "save as")?
[13:40] <milkncat> Hi there
[13:40] <milkncat> i installed kde to 9.04 rc but desktop effects doesn't work. it works with gnome tho
[13:40] <bardyr> Hey, is there any way i can install ubuntu rc alternative with a usb stick?
[13:41] <bazhang> !usb
[13:41] <milkncat> Got an error, Failed to activate desktop effects using the given config options..check your x config..also consider changing advanced options bla bla..
[13:41] <milkncat> can anyone help?
[13:41] <bardyr> bazhang, that only support the desktop/live versions
[13:42] <milkncat> btw, it works so slow
[13:42] <bazhang> bardyr, you want text install? netboot?
[13:42] <Lint01> will be updates held until release?
[13:42] <Lint01> or they will be available immediately?
[13:43] <kklimonda> Lint01: what updates?
[13:43] <bardyr> bazhang, i want the raid features of alternative and install it using a usb stick
[13:43] <bazhang> Lint01, just keep updating and it will be final
[13:43] <kklimonda> Lint01: right now only important fixes are being accepted.
[13:43] <bazhang> bardyr, not sure if unetbootin supports that or not
[13:44] <lanoxx-> #33295
[13:44] <lanoxx-> #332945
[13:44] <bazhang> bardyr, you can /msg ubottu netboot for links to see
[13:44] <bardyr> bazhang, it does not, and i dont have the extra hardware to do net boot
[13:45] <bazhang> bardyr, no idea then sorry
[13:45] <lanoxx-> bardyr, you can download a tool called Unetbootin to write an ubuntu iso to a usb key
[13:45] <lanoxx-> bardyr, but not if you use this tool then the stick must be cleanly formated before
[13:47] <bardyr> lanoxx-, i know, the problem is not to install ubuntu on a usb stick, the problem is that the alternative cd actively forces you to use a cd-rom
[13:47] <m[a]tt> hi
[13:47] <m[a]tt> i just installed 9.04, but after installation my monitor resolutions is wrong
[13:47] <m[a]tt> its 1024x768 instead of 1280x800
[13:47] <m[a]tt> it was correctly recognized in live cd mode
[13:48] <kklimonda> m[a]tt: what graphic card do you have? can you change resolution using System->Preferences->Display?
[13:48] <m[a]tt> kklimonda: intel 4500 onboard
[13:48] <m[a]tt> 1024x768 is the max resolution in the display dialog
[13:49] <lanoxx-> bardyr, oh sorry
[13:49] <m[a]tt> it displayed 1280x800 during the live cd mode
[13:49] <m[a]tt> (in the dialog)
[13:49] <uffo> why kubuntu 9.04 rc do not display folder sharing options ???
[13:50] <m[a]tt> kklimonda: after the installation of some missing language support files it displayes 1280x800 now, sorry
[13:57] <uffo> why kubuntu 9.04 rc do not display folder sharing options ??? has anyone tested it
[14:00] <tpfennig> can somebody tell me why aptitude is part of ubuntu-minimal if in fact you should never use it on Ubuntu?
[14:01] <kklimonda> why?
[14:04] <Omar87> My system refuses to continue the upgrade.
[14:04] <Omar87> It downloaded 51 files out of 69, and then it refused to go on, stating that there's a problem with the connection or something.
[14:04] <kklimonda> "or something" doesn't sound right
[14:04] <kklimonda> i'd do something to fix it
[14:04] <kklimonda> ;)
[14:05] <Schalken> Does anybody know much about the new sound stuff in GNOME?
[14:05] <kklimonda> Omar87: try doing apt-get update and then again apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:05] <penguin42> Omar87: The exact error would probably be useful; also just check if your disk is full
[14:05] <flox> tpfennig: i use aptitude every day... what is your problem ?
[14:06] <tpfennig> flox: the problem is, as far as I investigated, that synaptic and Ubuntus update manager use apt-get and so if i use aptitude i get a mix of both. what we should not do!?
[14:06] <Tecna> does anyone know why my resolution keeps changing back to 800x600 every time I restart?
[14:06] <penguin42> Tecna: Are you using KDE?
[14:06] <Tecna> gnome
[14:06] <penguin42> oh
[14:06] <penguin42> there's a known KDE bug of that, but I've not seen that on Gnome
[14:07] <Omar87> penguin42: According the System Monitor, my disk is approximately 66.7% full.
[14:07] <penguin42> that sounds OK - it was just worth checking
[14:08] <Tecna> wait, I think I found the problem...
[14:08] <flox> tpfennig: i see no problem, except that they keep different log files
[14:09] <Tecna> my nvidia configurator isn't writing to xorg.conf
[14:09] <penguin42> ah nvidia
[14:09] <kklimonda> tpfennig: they all work on the same package database so there is no problem
[14:09] <Tecna> where should I report this bug?
[14:09] <flox> tpfennig: finally all package information is stored on dpkg side "/var/lib/dpkg" and used by both
[14:09] <tpfennig> kklimonda, flox: I read a lot of different stuff
[14:09]  * tgpraveen thinks all said and done nvidia is best choice if one is using linux os
[14:09] <kklimonda> Omar87: then run apt-get dist-upgrade in terminal and copy whole error message to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[14:10] <kklimonda> tgpraveen: nah - imo intel is better choice if you are not playing games.
[14:10] <kklimonda> nvidia drivers lack some nice features
[14:11] <kklimonda> Tecna: how do you install nvidia drivers?
[14:11] <sultan> At Select Language Arabic lists appear in English
[14:11] <tgpraveen> kklimonda: yeah nvidia is gr8 with games and compiz. could u tell me what features it lacks?
[14:11] <Omar87> Plus, I also have another problem, with every notification sound (e.g: some on logged in or out on Pidgin), there's this annoying cracking sound (smthn like: TRACK TRACK TRACK TRACK!!! -sounds stupid, in know but that's the best I could find to describe how it sounds :)-)
[14:11] <Tecna> kklimonda: this time, they were automatically installed when I enabled compiz
[14:11] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:13] <kklimonda> Tecna: the truth is ubuntu isn't using xorg.conf to set resolution in most cases anymore..
[14:14] <marlock> hi
[14:14] <marlock> i'm using jaunty, and i'm affected by the intel video bug
[14:14] <kklimonda> Tecna: but maybe nvidia is still using it. what happens when you click "Save to X Configuration File" ?
[14:14] <marlock> is there anyone that has a workorund for it?
[14:15] <cwillu> kklimonda, nvidia still uses it in many cases, yes
[14:15] <kklimonda> Tecna: from nvidia-settings
[14:15] <Tecna> kklimonda: it says it can't create the backup
[14:15] <kklimonda> Tecna: are you running it as root?
[14:15] <Tecna> yes
[14:15] <kklimonda> cwillu: yeah, i forgot that nvidia is still in stone age when it comes to xrandr support..
[14:15] <exco1> what could be the cause for my dialogs to take forever to show (e.g "save as")?
[14:16] <Tecna> but I just worked around it by pressing "Show preview" and copy/pasting into xorg.conf myself
[14:16] <marlock> is there anyone that is affected by the intel xorg bug?
[14:16] <flox> exco1: slow disk?
[14:16] <flox> exco1: or overcrowded destination folder?
[14:16] <cwillu> kklimonda, well, in the sense that they've had xrandr1.2-like support for their cards for nearly a decade longer than we have :p
[14:17] <Tecna> kklimonda: restarting X to test
[14:17] <penguin42> marlock: I have a few
[14:17] <cwillu> kklimonda, is it any wonder that they don't take us seriously when we tell them about our silicon age when they saw us bumbling around in our own stone age for so long?
[14:17] <kklimonda> cwillu: sure - but now that xrandr 1.2/1.3 support is here it would be nice to actually use it.
[14:17] <cwillu> give it time
[14:18] <penguin42> marlock: As of jaunty I seem to get occasional pointer corruption after resume that doesn't go away until I restart X, I get some corruption under KDE as well
[14:18] <kklimonda> cwillu: oh come on - they are working on xrandr 1.2 support for over a year already ;)
[14:18] <marlock> penguin42: and do you have anyworkoround for it?
[14:18] <cwillu> xrandr1.2 is quite new in the grand scheme of things
[14:18] <kklimonda> and they have time to work on vdpau ;)
[14:18] <penguin42> marlock: No
[14:18] <marlock> penguin42: i noticed that xorg has an abnormal ram usage
[14:18] <cwillu> kklimonda, they're not going to drop other features to do it though, and xrandr only recently gained the ability to handle multiple cards in anything approaching a sane manner (which again they've supported the whole time)
[14:19] <marlock> penguin42: more is the uptime and the more is the ram usage.....
[14:19] <penguin42> marlock: RAM useage on Xorg is often misleading
[14:19] <marlock> penguin42:after some hours it gets about 250 MB
[14:19] <marlock> penguin42: i arrived also to 500 MB
[14:19] <penguin42> marlock: Yeh, I'm not sure it's actually using all that - although it does show in top
[14:20] <kklimonda> cwillu: i guess it's matter of priorities - I haven't seen linux with SLI setup but I've laptop with nvidia card and lack of xrandr 1.2 is painful ;)
[14:20] <marlock> penguin42: it's very bad , and i can't find anything on internet
[14:20] <cwillu> kklimonda, :()
[14:20] <cwillu> bah, meant :)
[14:20] <marlock> penguin42: all the bugs reported are about performance
[14:20] <penguin42> marlock: Are you sure it's bad and not just misleading in the way it's displayed?
[14:20] <marlock> penguin42: that is another problem
[14:20] <marlock> penguin42: no no , it's bad
[14:21] <perlsyntax> does anyone know where i can get  psyco for ubuntu 9.04 i can find it in my package apt-get
[14:21] <marlock> penguin42: i arrived to have 86 % ram used and 57 % swap used, with no programs opened
[14:21] <cwillu> perlsyntax, python's psyco?
[14:21] <marlock> only xorg usage
[14:21] <perlsyntax> that what it call
[14:22] <cwillu> python-pysco
[14:22] <vart> Omar87?
[14:22] <penguin42> marlock: That's a little odd; for example while my Xorg has a virtual size of 440M, it's only 69M resident
[14:22] <cwillu> bah
[14:22] <kklimonda> perlsyntax: but there is no psyco for amd64
[14:22] <cwillu> psyco
[14:22] <marlock> penguin42: now i'm using the old xserver-xorg-video-intel package and i've no problem
[14:22] <penguin42> marlock: Oh I see, if you have a difference like that then I guess that's more relevant
[14:23] <marlock> penguin42: i would like to know if when the stable release is out they resolve the bug
[14:23] <perlsyntax> i try that and say np ackage found in the command line.
[14:23] <perlsyntax> no package
[14:24] <perlsyntax> odd
[14:24] <penguin42> marlock: I doubt there will be many changes between now and the release
[14:24] <cwillu> perlsyntax, I misspelled it, python-psyco
[14:24] <drbobb> dang, there's another ugly regression in support for SiS chips in jaunty's xorg: when i plug my latop into my tv via the external vga socket, the system freezes intermittently
[14:24] <marlock> penguin42: now my xorg has 482 mb in virtual and 165 resident
[14:24] <cwillu> penguin42, there's probably going to be an sru addressing a bunch of intel regressions
[14:24] <drbobb> so video playback becomes out of the question
[14:25] <marlock> penguin42: if they can't resolve this bug, all the intel users will be sad with jaunty
[14:25] <marlock> penguin42:very sad....
[14:25] <cwillu> marlock, ^^^
[14:25] <perlsyntax> maybe kklimonda is right
[14:25] <perlsyntax> i got the 64 bit one
[14:25] <penguin42> marlock: Well, the memory useage there doesn't bother me much (says he with 3GB) - my only real Intel problem on X is the resume issue
[14:26] <kklimonda> perlsyntax: i am - there was never psyco for 64 bits and there are no plans to support it
[14:26] <perlsyntax> i see
[14:26] <marlock> penguin42: yes but i've only 1GB
[14:26] <Tecna> what's particularly annoying is that nvidia still fails to include Option	"AddARGBGLXVisuals"	"True"
[14:26] <marlock> penguin42: and the video memory is shared...not dedicated
[14:26] <perlsyntax> then i download the i386 for the laptop then.
[14:26] <perlsyntax> thank any ways
[14:26] <kklimonda> perlsyntax: it wont work with 64 bit python
[14:26] <cwillu> perlsyntax, kklimonda, the psyco developer is on the pypy team
[14:26] <kklimonda> perlsyntax: you will need 32 bit chroot
[14:26] <kklimonda> cwillu: i know
[14:27] <cwillu> pypy is the closest thing to a successor that psyco is going to have
[14:27] <kklimonda> but pypy is.. in development ;)
[14:27] <marlock> penguin42: it's unsopportable that i can run my ubuntu for more than some hours
[14:27] <cwillu> well, it can run django unmodified now
[14:27] <perlsyntax> boy do i like ubuntu 9.04
[14:27] <cwillu> kklimonda, ^
[14:27] <marlock> penguin42: after that i have to restart system
[14:27] <penguin42> marlock: If you do   http://techpatterns.com/forums/about687.html   on your X server what's using all the memory? For me it's things called resource0,2, and 3 - I don't know what they are, it's odd
[14:27] <penguin42> marlock: Ah, that sucks
[14:27] <marlock> penguin42: llol
[14:28] <cwillu> kklimonda, it's actually less than an order of magnitude slower than cpython now, which is actually really impressive considering that they aren't jitting it yet
[14:28] <marlock> penguin42: this article is too old
[14:28] <penguin42> marlock: No, pmap -d still works
[14:29] <marlock> penguin42: it's only a xorg problem, it's not caused by programs like firefox
[14:29] <penguin42> marlock: OK, well file a bug then - making sure no one else has
[14:29] <marlock> penguin42: i tried to started pc without opening programs
[14:29] <cwillu> marlock, if that article was reffering to xrestop, then it's still relevant
[14:30] <vart> Ihave some messages in dmesg that I'd like to get rid of. How do I know the module name that left specific messag eso I could blecklist it?
[14:30] <cwillu> s/reffering/referring/
[14:31] <Sage`> i want to say thanks for the beta version
[14:31] <Sage`> works better then hardy did on my laptop
[14:31] <Sage`> was able to detect my vCard no problem :)
[14:31] <marlock> penguin42:this is the result with pmap -d on xorg process
[14:32] <penguin42> don't paste it - please
[14:32] <marlock> penguin42:mapped: 513640K    writeable/private: 187360K    shared: 314128K
[14:32]  * penguin42 forgot about xrestop
[14:33] <penguin42> cwillu: Hmm xrestop only shows a small amount of memory (25M) against top showing 446M - I expect it's some artifact of the way device memory mapping is done, but don't know
[14:34] <f1assistance> will I have to reinstall 9.04 when final release?
[14:34] <kklimonda> f1assistance: no
[14:34] <penguin42> f1assistance: Probably not
[14:34] <cwillu> f1assistance, it's the same repository, just just do a normal update
[14:34] <f1assistance> awesome...that makes me happy, I've got everything working soo well...:)
[14:36] <f1assistance> or I should say it just works! Impressive...
[14:36] <Sage`> i gotta say this beta version may keep me on ubuntu for another 6 months
[14:37] <penguin42> Sage`: What is it that's particularly made you like it?
[14:37] <Sage`> Well on the previous versions of ubuntu it wouldn't read my hardware mainly my graphics card
[14:38] <Sage`> it was able to say hey thats an nvidia 9700 GTS
[14:38] <exco1> flox: sorry, didn't notice you - no, that's not the problem ... also dialog boxes without disc access take ages  (e.g. network-manager -> edit)
[14:38] <Sage`> vs my last ubuntu it was like uhh thats some sort of nvidia card but i'm not sure which
[14:38] <penguin42> nod
[14:39] <Sage`> i just wish that it came with a way already built in to turn off compiz and switch to something a lil less flashy
[14:39] <cwillu> Sage`, it's all the same driver though
[14:39] <cwillu> Sage`, appearances | desktop effects | none
[14:40] <penguin42> my 2 big problems are Intel X stability (although it's better than it was - the cursor corruption is a PITA) and Intel audio popping sounds - although there is a test kernel that fixes that (with a different bug!)
[14:40] <Sage`> ah thanks cwillu (use to the icon)
[14:40] <cwillu> Sage`, that's been there since gutsy :p
[14:41] <FiveAcres> I am having a compositing problem since morning updates that I hadn't seen before.
[14:42] <FiveAcres> I have to run fusion-icon after a restart to get compositing to work.
[14:42] <penguin42> FiveAcres: What graphics card?
[14:42] <FiveAcres> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[14:43] <penguin42> I thought I saw a compiz change of blacklisting 965 until some Intel fixes went in?
[14:43] <FiveAcres> I don't know about a blacklist:  where would I find information about it?
[14:44] <robin0800> FiveAcres: hace you tried uax accelleration?
[14:44] <penguin42> FiveAcres: Top of /usr/share/doc/compiz/changelog.Debian.gz  - I'm not sure if this is related or not
[14:44] <FiveAcres> robin0800:  I wouldn't begin to know about uax accelleration
[14:45] <robin0800> !uax
[14:46] <cwillu> uxa
[14:46] <coz_> hey guys I am trying out anew thing  twitux :)  but it keeps asking for a password to unlock the default keyring
[14:47] <virtuald> is it safe to use ext4 with the new kernel?
[14:47] <coz_> my user password does not work
[14:47] <penguin42> cwillu: Is it something you just turn on or does it just work?
[14:47] <Vorbote> penguin42, doubtful I have a GM965 working here (but I'm cheating, I've compiled my own 2.6.29.1 kernel thus I have *real* KMS  working).
[14:47] <robin0800> !uxa
[14:47] <penguin42> Vorbote: KMS?
[14:47] <cwillu> penguin42, we're using exa by default for now:  uxa has some lingering stability issues
[14:47] <Vorbote> penguin42, kernel mode setting
[14:47] <cwillu> penguin42, AccelMethod "UXA" in the device section will select it
[14:47] <Vorbote> penguin42, that's a requirement for UXA working well...
[14:48] <cwillu> Vorbote, there's a ppa for mainline kernels you know
[14:48] <cwillu> Vorbote, eh?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> By default the Intel driver continues to use EXA so the AccelMethod option within the xorg.conf must be set to UXA."
[14:48] <Vorbote> cwillu, of course but you can't stop an old hand of setting up things his way. And yes I clamor in the desert. :-)
[14:48] <penguin42> cwillu: I'm running with an old X config - do I have to explicitly turn EXA on? I see a warning in my Xorg0.log 'WW intel(0): DRI2 requires UXA
[14:49] <BluesKaj> intel graphics ? read this : http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2008122901535RVSW
[14:49] <cwillu> penguin42, exa is the default unless you specifically change it to something else
[14:49] <cwillu> penguin42, that warning is harmless
[14:49] <penguin42> oh actually, it looks like it does use it: (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
[14:49] <penguin42> cwillu: Cool
[14:49] <Sage`> i use an internal made external hdd via sata port, why is it i need permissions to use it?
[14:50] <penguin42> cwillu: I suspect it's the fun of these changes that's introduced a few instabilities - although I'll admit to being confused how my mouse corruption problem is even possible - if it was just corrupt video memory I'd expect it to fix it if I changed pointer or theme
[14:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: OK, so that seems to be saying UXA will be wonderful when it's stable
[14:53] <penguin42> (or EXA will be once it's gained stuff from UXA?)
[14:58] <Aison> is there something like a builtin firewall in jaunty?
[14:58] <Aison> googleearth is no longer working here, it cant authenticate to it's servers
[14:58] <mogul218> !wubi
[14:59] <penguin42> Aison: There is a firewall, but I don't think it's on by default
[15:00] <penguin42> Aison: Seems to be working here - I've had similar problems in the past though - what Google earth version do you have?
[15:00] <penguin42> 4.3.7284.3916 (beta) Jul 8 2008 seems OK here
[15:00] <penguin42> (What a version number!)
[15:01] <Aison> penguin42, newest one, version 5.0.11337.1968
[15:01] <penguin42> interesting
[15:01] <Aison> maybe it's somehow related to my desktop effects
[15:02] <penguin42> Aison: Doubt it (although I'm not using desktop effects)
[15:02] <Aison> the funny thing is, in Google Earth - Options everything is grayed
[15:02] <DJones> Can somebody help me work out why my nvidia graphics card isn't prompting me to use a restricted driver, lspci lists it as 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV15BR [GeForce2 Ultra, Bladerunner] (rev a4)   I know its old, but it worked perfectly in 8.10 and a Geforce2 Go in my laptop is detected in 9.04
[15:03] <penguin42> Aison: Oh that is odd - it seems happy to let me change any of them
[15:03] <Aison> DJones, I remeber something that newer drivers arent working with older cards
[15:03] <BluesKaj> penguin42, maybe the ops might add a statement about the intel media probs to the infobot ...there seems to be a lot of ppl with this problem.
[15:04] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Well X normally seems a bit of a fight
[15:04] <thiebaude> yup x freezes
[15:05]  * penguin42 hasn't seen any freezes for a few weeks now - early Alphas were hopeless
[15:05] <DJones> Aison: that sounds about right, although I've always used the older drivers with no problem, its just annoying that it doesn't seem to be detected
[15:05] <Aison> maybe you need to apt-get the modaliases
[15:06] <Aison> DJones, search for nvidia modaliases with synaptic and install them
[15:07] <Aison> then reboot and then it should be detected
[15:07] <DJones> Aison: I'll have a look, thanks
[15:08] <DJones> Aison: Just checked, according to synaptic, all the nvidia modaliases are installed
[15:08] <Aison> then it's strange
[15:08] <DJones> yep, very
[15:09] <Aison> as strange as my GoogleEarth don't work
[15:09] <DJones> I never use that
[15:13] <DJones> Any idea what package I should report a bug against for this?
[15:14] <Aison> no, i'm not that familiar with ubuntu ;) i'm a gentoo user ^^
[15:15] <Aison> but I installed ubuntu on my parents machine ^^
[15:15] <Aison> what package ships this lib: libminizip.so?
[15:15] <penguin42> Aison: apt-file is great for answering those questions
[15:15] <DJones> !info libminizip
[15:15] <Aison> ok
[15:16] <Aison> because ldd on googleearth-bin reports missing ./libminizip.so => not found
[15:16] <thiebaude> cwillu: good morning
[15:16] <penguin42> Aison: Oh, I suspect that's in the google earth package
[15:16] <BluesKaj> Aison , which google earth version ?
[15:16] <Aison> penguin42, maybe, but I did: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/google-earth ldd /opt/google-earth/googleearth-bin
[15:17] <penguin42> Aison: In my google-earth unpack it's in the top level unpacked directory
[15:17] <Aison> BluesKaj, version 5.0.11337.1968
[15:17] <Aison> penguin42, here also, but it's not found?!?
[15:17] <Aison> wtf....
[15:18] <penguin42> Aison: Which file are you ldd'ing ?
[15:18] <Aison> googleearth-bin
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Google Earth 5.0.11337.1968 (beta)
[15:18] <penguin42> Aison: Yeh, but the shell script googleearth will set up LD_LIBRARY_PATH etc
[15:19] <Aison> see my comment above -;
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Aison , that beta version needs to be opened with kdesudo in the "run command"  , then it works fine
[15:20] <cwillu> thiebaude, poke poek
[15:20] <thiebaude> haha
[15:20] <Aison> BluesKaj, just tried, but no help
[15:21] <Aison> maybe my ubuntu is fucked up...
[15:21] <thiebaude> cwillu: i cant wait for my 9.04 cd
[15:21]  * penguin42 did have a period a year or so ago where one version of google-earth refused to connect
[15:21] <Aison> are there some integrity check tools for ubuntu? eg. forced dependency check etc...?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Aison , kdesudo googleearth ?
[15:22] <Vorbote> Aison, far more than in gentoo, if that's what you mean. Yet, you need the software to be integrated into the package manager system.
[15:22] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeuch
[15:24] <Vorbote> Aison, it occurs to me... Why don't you add the google-earth paths to ldconfig.conf, rerun ldconfig to try again=
[15:24] <penguin42> Vorbote: No!
[15:24] <penguin42> Vorbote: The libs that come with Google earth are there own special versions, you risk screwing lots of other stuff up by doing that
[15:24] <penguin42> There's nothing wrong with the ldd saying those things are missing, they'll find it when run by the script
[15:25] <BluesKaj> Aison , dunno what the gnome command is,  gtksudo googleearth /
[15:25] <Vorbote> penguin42, possible. I never use google-earth. /me uses a real GIS.
[15:25] <cwillu> BluesKaj, gksudo
[15:25] <BluesKaj> Aison , it has to be in your /home/username dir
[15:26] <wirechief> cwillu good morning .. seems to work ok so far although i am not having much success with the repro.sh
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ok cwillu , thx ..i haven't used gnome in 5 yrs so i forget stuff :)
[15:28] <wirechief> cwillu it blows out  here...repro.sh: 20: arithmetic expression: expecting EOF: "1280        1280 * 0"
[15:29] <[TheAsp]> I'm trying to burn the alternate install cd onto a 700mb disc, and it won't fit...  Anyone know of a smaller version?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> [TheAsp]: try using the daily image. it is 698MB
[15:31] <charlie-tca> !daily
[15:31] <charlie-tca> That would be the RC with updates
[15:32] <Vorbote> [TheAsp], if you got the cd image some days back, it is probably oversized. You can update to a more recent daily with rsync, jigdo or jigit.
[15:33] <[TheAsp]> The daily is larger
[15:33] <charlie-tca> What size do you show?
[15:33] <[TheAsp]> The daily: 732276736
[15:33] <Vorbote> [TheAsp], if you are using a cd-rw it may have dead sectors.
[15:34] <[TheAsp]> Nope, cd-r
[15:34] <charlie-tca> The daily will fit a 700MB cd-r
[15:34]  * [TheAsp] adds memorex to the never buy again list
[15:34] <Vorbote> [TheAsp], The size in bytes will fit a 700MB cdr, divide by 8 to have a real estimate.
[15:35]  * Vorbote oops, I'm confusing my DSL calculation tricks. Erase that.
[15:36] <Vorbote> [TheAsp], divide by 1024
[15:36] <ienorand> [TheAsp]: Well there are some media that is only 650mb, they're rare but at least on cd-rw (i.m.exp.) pops upp now and then.
[15:36] <[TheAsp]> The disc says 700mb on the top.  I do beleive they are crap though
[15:36] <charlie-tca> [TheAsp]: You could download xubuntu and then install ubuntu-desktop
[15:36] <Vorbote> ienorand, you were born yestarday :-) 650MB media was the rule in the 90's and early 00's
[15:37] <[TheAsp]> charlie-tca: Awesome.
[15:37] <charlie-tca> The daily is only 623MB
[15:37] <bertodsera> hi again, among the load parms I see an acpi=off, does that mean that simply acpi will turn it on, or do I need acpi=on?
[15:37] <bertodsera> or is it on by default?
[15:37] <ienorand> Vorbote: Yea, guess thoses discs we have lying around at home are somewhat ancient...
[15:38] <[TheAsp]> Why isn't there a netinst version of the alternate cd?
[15:38]  * charlie-tca not telling how many he has
[15:38] <Vorbote> ienorand, in fact, in the early 90's cdrs were 450MB/500MB if memory serves (and that was a*a lot* <chuckles>).
[15:39] <ienorand> Vorbote: Well, compared to floppies, of course, :)
[15:39] <cwillu> Vorbote, 650, no?
[15:40] <cwillu> 650 is the capacity of a normal 72 minute audio cd
[15:40] <cwillu> i.e., every cd ever :p
[15:41] <Vorbote> cwillu, but in those ages (when the Cranberries where the hottest thing) data cd's were marketed as a different thing and were smaller.
[15:41]  * Vorbote listening to you know what :-)
[15:42] <[TheAsp]> Zombie was an awesome song...
[15:43] <sirjoebob> hey all. i upgraded to the 9.04 rc and am having issues with conky disappearing anytime i draw a selection box over it and my desktop icons do the same (only while conky is running) i am using the 180 nvidia proprietary driver and everything else (including compiz effects) works fine. it all worked great under the 8.10 release. anyone have any ideas?
[15:43] <Vorbote> US$ 1800 for a cd burner... It was cheaper to use DDT tapes, yuck.
[15:43] <Vorbote> s/DDT/DDS/
[15:43] <ienorand> [TheAsp]: And no usb stick lying around that you could use?
[15:45] <Sage`> i might have missed this but can't you upgrade to 9.04 by pressing F2 then typing something?
[15:45] <Vorbote> sirjoebob, do you have any message about a library crash or something? (check dmesg and check the end of /var/messages and /var/log/syuslog with the log viewer).
[15:46] <cwillu> Sage`, update-manager -c -d
[15:46] <[TheAsp]> ienorand: As it happens I do, but the xubuntu cd should do what I want...  I'm switching from i386 to amd64.
[15:47] <sirjoebob> Vorbote, negative
[15:47] <Sage`> has anyone here played around with Virtual Machines on 9.04
[15:47] <ienorand> [TheAsp]: Why oh why? You waste a cd, that could have lived, could've been free!
[15:47] <hyper_ch> anyone running kde 4.2.2? since yesterday (or today) I noticed that, even when I have a movie playing in the foreground, the screensaver kicks im after a dew minutes
[15:48] <atlef> Sage`: i have virtualbox installed
[15:48] <Vorbote> sirjoebob, then try starting conky from a terminal window and check the possible error messages.
[15:48] <hyper_ch> Sage`: running vmware workstation on jaunty
[15:48] <[TheAsp]> ienorand: When my box stops booting in a few months, I'll have something to fix it with. :)
[15:48] <ienorand> [TheAsp]: True :)
[15:48] <sirjoebob> Vorbote, shows none. launches as it did in 8.10 and just has weird graphical glitch problems. the monitors work fine.
[15:49]  * Vorbote always uses cd-rw and dvd-rw for his distro hopping and updating. Saving the environment.
[15:49] <atlef> Vorbote: +1
[15:49] <[TheAsp]> I usually just upgrade without the cd... :P
[15:49] <hyper_ch> Vorbote: why not booting from usb stick?
[15:49] <Vorbote> sirjoebob, that's strange. Does it work OK if you disable compiz?
[15:49] <Sage`> okay, i was thinking about switching from partitions to VM's however since i have 2 different responses perhaps you can explain to me something why use VM over partition
[15:50] <hyper_ch> Sage`: running multiple system at the same time
[15:50] <atlef> Sage`: i do not understand what you mean
[15:50] <[TheAsp]> Sage`: any chance you are talking about LVM?
[15:50] <Sage`> hyper_ch, got it (thanks hyper)
[15:50] <hyper_ch> I run up to 4 virtual OSes at the same time
[15:51] <Vorbote> hyper_ch, far cheaper in this here parts and I can hold on to older install images for a while. Say, I update my ubunt installer in their cdrws every six months.
[15:51] <Sage`> amd64 or 86?
[15:51] <hyper_ch> host 64bit
[15:51] <hyper_ch> guests vary
[15:51]  * Vorbote has stompu fingers today.
[15:51] <Vorbote> s/stompu/stompy
[15:52] <Sage`> atlef, why did you choose VirtualBox over VMware?
[15:53] <Sage`> or is it one of those things in the end it doesn't matter which you use?
[15:53] <simmer> hi i upgraded to jaunty and i am getting random xserver crashed with a gdm_slave_xioerror_handler error in syslog. there are a lot of bugs in launchpad with this error - does anyone know of the cause/fix?
[15:53] <sirjoebob> Vorbote, negative. Same issue
[15:53] <simmer> I have an ati x1300 and im using the opensource driver (not fglrx)
[15:54] <atlef> Sage`: no reason, just tried that first
[15:54] <Sage`> hyper_ch, any reason as to why you chose VMware over the other products out there?
[15:54] <Vorbote> sirjoebob, that's bad news :-( I'd suggest you try with the nv driver if you can to make sure it isn't the prpietary driver for your card (you did mention it is an Nvidia, right?)
[15:55] <hyper_ch> Sage`: hmmm, runs smooth, better networking IMHO, direct x support
[15:55] <sirjoebob> Vorbote, yea. Thanks for the help. I will give that a shot.
[15:56] <hyper_ch> anyone running kde 4.2.2? since yesterday (or today) I noticed that, even when I have a movie playing in the foreground, the screensaver kicks im after a dew minutes
[15:56] <Sage`> hyper_ch, i use to have that problem in some of my older versions
[15:57] <hyper_ch> Sage`: what problem? kde 4.2.2 and screensaver?
[15:57] <Sage`> the screen saver
[15:59] <Sage`> sadly to say when i looked for the fix nobody could give me a straight answer so i ended up turning off the Screen Saver
[15:59] <hyper_ch> I only have thar problem since today or yesterday I think
[16:01] <relicgeek> I just installed kubuntu 9.04 - two 4 gb partions for root and /home both using the ext4 file system first boot appears stuck at the 'starting up' screen for a while...
[16:02] <relicgeek> is this normal, or am i experiencing a bug? its a fresh install
[16:02] <hyper_ch> relicgeek: you know that ext4 has a serious "bug" that could result in dataloss?
[16:03] <relicgeek> hyper_ch: yeah.
[16:03] <relicgeek> hyper_ch: you think it might be related to that?
[16:04] <hyper_ch> haven't used ext4 yet... I value my data
[16:04] <relicgeek> lol
[16:04] <relicgeek> i backed up my data ;p
[16:05] <relicgeek> i just need to know if i should bother waiting or wipe it and reinstall
[16:06] <vart> relicgeek: you could read release notes...
[16:07] <relicgeek> vart: might have missed something... anything specific to this?
[16:10] <relicgeek> only known issue mentioned on the download page relates to kmail
[16:11] <vart> relicgeek: there was something about possible freeze during boot on some hardware, I do not know if it applies...
[16:12] <f1assistance> do you think the zfs file system will be made available in a future version of Ubuntu?
[16:12] <relicgeek> vart: its a bog standard c2d based laptop. Intel everything. If you got a link maybe i can check
[16:14] <relicgeek> f1assistance: zfs sounds more useful on servers than desktops and laptops. I suppose if debian supports it, ubuntu will too, well or vice versa
[16:15] <vart> relicgeek: have you looked through this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Other%20known%20issues ?
[16:15] <relicgeek> var: not yet
[16:16] <relicgeek> vart: hmm, nothing that seems applicable
[16:18] <belred> how can i get ubuntu to notify me when updates are available? kubuntu does this, but i can't find a way to do this in ubuntu.
[16:19] <wirechief> cwillu the script works..freeze_bug.txt uploaded
[16:20] <xangua> belred: in 'gconf-editor' go to /apps/update-notifier and change the value from TRUE to FALSE
[16:20] <Praveen> can anyone help me with a font problem in jaunty
[16:20] <Praveen> i've installed msttcorefonts. but firefox does not use them
[16:25] <belred> xangua: thanks, i didn't realize it was set to 7 days by default
[16:25] <[TheAsp]> charlie-tca: It burnt, thanks!
[16:25] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:26] <[TheAsp]> In 24 hours I should be good... http://xkcd.com/349/
[16:26] <belred> xangua: is gconf-editor available from the menu be default?
[16:27] <belred> xangua: nevermind, i just found it
[16:27] <xangua> Alt+F2>gconf-editor>enter
[16:27] <xangua> go to apps/update.notifier and change the 'auto_launch' value from TRUE to FALSE
[16:27] <xangua> belred:
[16:29] <eternal_p> morning all..quick question...I cannot enable more than one desktop with compiz...if I flip to a second one, I lose the top or bottom pannel
[16:29] <eternal_p> also, when I flip, it stays on the first box in the compiz window manager, bottom screen
[16:29] <lfaraone> Hi, I plugged in a USB device and although syslog says that it's been attached as sdb, it doens't appear in /dev.
[16:29] <Aison> eternal_p, gnome?
[16:29] <eternal_p> yup
[16:29] <Aison> hmm
[16:29] <[4-tea-2]> howdy
[16:29] <eternal_p> thats what I said
[16:30] <[4-tea-2]> I'm using Gnome's NetworkManager to admin my network connections, I need to run a script when one of the devices comes up, can someone tell me where to put it or what to do with it?
[16:33] <[4-tea-2]> Hmmm. I'll change the script to work from /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/
[16:34] <tobi> anyone here with problem with fonts in qt/kde programs?
[16:34] <tobi> like this:
[16:34] <tobi> http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6076/scribus.png
[16:36] <BluesKaj> [4-tea-2] , dunno for sure but if it's a bash script , maybe /etc/init.d/  could work
[16:36] <f1assistance> is there a minimum processor speed for 9.04?
[16:36] <relicgeek> hmm
[16:37] <relicgeek> i'm having the same issue with an ext3 root partition - it seems stuck at a screen saying starting up. 4 GB root and 4gb home partitions
[16:37] <f1assistance> or recommended?
[16:38] <The_Joe_> Can you actually upgrade from Beta to RC?
[16:39] <The_Joe_> I did update-manager -d but it's just doing a normal update by the looks of it
[16:39] <jbotalan> why is the evil system beeper enabled by default?
[16:40] <[4-tea-2]> BluesKaj: /etc/init.d/ is only used for scripts executed when the runlevel changes, e.g. during boot or shutdown. I needed a place that is used when a certain network interface becomes active (and I found it).
[16:40] <Vorbote> f1assistance, it depends on your needs. For a desktop, I've installed Xubuntu in a pentium ii with 96MB and it flies (until you start openoffice.org, of course).
[16:40] <ienorand> The_Joe_: Automatic updates will do that...
[16:40] <BluesKaj> ok, [4-tea-2]
[16:40] <BluesKaj> f1assistance , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[16:40] <The_Joe_> ienorand, I get that...
[16:42] <f1assistance> BluesKaj: thanks, exactly what I was looking for...
[16:42] <jbotalan> it makes a full-volume beep, and it beeps several times upon shutdown. the livecd always did that to me, but now the distro is installed on a hard drive and it's doing the same thing
[16:42] <cousteau> why is nautilus segfaulting on the LiveCD?
[16:43] <ienorand> The_Joe_: alpha-beta-rc-final are no *definite* releases, so just upgrading will get you from one to the other...
[16:43] <f1assistance> BluesKaj: will it be the same for 9.04?
[16:43] <The_Joe_> jbotalan, Just blacklist the pc speaker
[16:43] <cousteau> 0xb61db7dd in ?? () from /usr/lib/libbrasero-media.so.0
[16:43] <The_Joe_> ienorand, Yes but RC > Beta so I would prefer to upgrade. I just wanted to know if it was possible
[16:44] <jbotalan> The_Joe_: I know I can do that...but where is the system beep useful at _all_?
[16:44] <The_Joe_> jbotalan, When you have no speakers?
[16:44] <ienorand> The_Joe_: Just run update-manager.
[16:44] <The_Joe_> I don't like it either...
[16:44] <The_Joe_> ¬¬ I did.
[16:45] <The_Joe_> I said that.
[16:45] <BluesKaj> f1assistance , i believe so , since most reports so far indicate that 9.04 is faster than 8.10 so i assume it's more efficient
[16:45] <Barridus> does simply installing QT-based apps bloat down the performance of gnome on weaker hardware?  or not until you actually *run* them
[16:45] <f1assistance> BluesKaj: thanks again
[16:45] <ienorand> Barridus: I'd guess it just takes up diskspace...
[16:46] <xangua> Barridus: they will simple use a little more memory
[16:46] <Eruaran> kubuntu update notifier is broken
[16:46] <Barridus> ok then, thanks :)
[16:46] <Eruaran> Its always in my system tray saying 39 updates available
[16:46] <jbotalan> i suppose. i don't know who i'd talk to, but it really seems to be a bug. why turn on a system beep on a desktop image?
[16:46] <xangua> Barridus: if you want your qt apps look more like Gnome/GTG you can use this> http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Styles/GtkStyle
[16:46] <Eruaran> even when all latest updates have been installed
[16:46] <xangua> it only works fot qt4 apps
[16:47] <xangua> https://launchpad.net/~martin-espinoza/+archive/ppa < Here is the deb
[16:48] <tobi> xangua: isn't that integrated into qt 4.5?
[16:48] <tobi> I don't think you need to instl that anymore
[16:48] <xangua> yes it is, when is qt5 going out tobi ¿
[16:49] <xangua> qt5 is not in my repositorie
[16:49] <tobi> qt4.5 is in ubuntu 9.04
[16:49] <xangua> nop, i am using it
[16:50] <xangua> in Jaunty is qt4.4.4
[16:50] <ntfs> Hey, I'm considering installing Jaunty with ext4 as the fs, but I've heard there is some bug where it'll nom all my data and such.  Is this the case?
[16:50] <Barridus> xangua, thanks for the link.  i'll evaluate once i get some qt stuff going (skype, etc)
[16:51] <xangua> ntfs: using it since a week ago and nothing has deleted or mystery disapeared
[16:51] <ntfs> xangua, okay cool
[16:51] <xangua> the only bad is that i have an Intel video card
[16:51] <ntfs> why is that bad?
[16:51] <xangua> and it freezes somethimes with compiz, so i disable it
[16:51] <ntfs> ahh
[16:52] <ntfs> I have nvidia, I'm hoping for decent performance :)
[16:53] <cousteau> does anybody know why brasero segfaults on RC?
[16:53] <cousteau> and nautilus segfaults due to brasero
[16:53] <Eruaran> In Jaunty were using Qt 4.5
[16:53] <Barridus> xangua, there's an intel issue atm?  i got one in this netbook
[16:54] <xangua> segfaults¿? cousteau ¿??
[16:54] <cousteau> "Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0xb80077dd in ?? () from /usr/lib/libbrasero-media.so.0"
[16:54] <Pollywog> The Jaunty desktop installer does not seem to allow one to choose to encrypt the drive.  Does the alternate installer for Jaunty have this?
[16:54] <tobi> xangua: are you sure? I have 4.5.0-0ubuntu4 here
[16:54] <Pollywog> I believe it does
[16:55] <xangua> jum.... do yo uadd a repositorie or something tobi ¿
[16:55] <xangua> ooh i see it
[16:56] <xangua> qt5 yes you are right
[16:56] <cousteau> problem fixed: I uninstalled brasero and libbrasero-media
[16:56] <cousteau> now nautilus works
[16:57] <cousteau> but it's a strange problem
[16:59] <Emme_NK> Hi!
[16:59] <Emme_NK> I'm trying to get 802.11n working with my Intel 5300 adapter...
[16:59] <Emme_NK> I only can get up to 54MBps
[17:00] <xangua> what's wrong with Nautilus cousteau ¿
[17:00] <Emme_NK> are the 11n/Draft-N features (Link aggregation,...) disabled in the jaunty kernel?
[17:00] <PhotoJim> 54 MB/s is excruciatingly fast.  you might mean 54 Mbps. :)
[17:00] <Emme_NK> of course :)
[17:00] <cousteau> xangua: it didn't work; when I started it I got a "Segmentation fault"
[17:00] <cousteau> but after removing Brasero it worked
[17:02] <gause> is ubuntu 9.04 any better than 8.10
[17:02] <Lyth1> Is anyone else having a problem with fonts being displayed?
[17:02] <Eruaran> gause: yes
[17:02] <cousteau> I'm gonna install Jaunty on a testing HD
[17:03] <m0RrE> are you using raid?
[17:03] <Lyth1> Is there a known issue with fonts being displayed improp[erly
[17:03] <gause> is it possible to upgrade 8.10 to 9.04?
[17:04] <m0RrE> i haven't noticed anything with the fonts?
[17:04] <xangua> gause: yes
[17:04] <xangua> jum...........
[17:04] <m0RrE> gause: yes, apt+f2, update-manager -d
[17:04] <Lyth1> How do I update from beta to RC
[17:04] <m0RrE> alt*
[17:04] <gause> thanx
[17:04] <Eruaran> kubuntu's update notifier is broken, where should I report this ?
[17:04] <Lyth1> How do I update from beta to RC
[17:05] <Emme_NK> Lyth1: just continue to "aptitude update" + "aptitude dist-upgrade"...
[17:05] <rm```> Lyth1 run update manager
[17:05] <Emme_NK> or via update manager
[17:05] <atlef> Lyth1: if you have updatet you are olready there
[17:05] <Lyth1> Do I need to add any repositories?
[17:05] <Emme_NK> no
[17:05] <rm```> no, it should be automatic
[17:05] <Emme_NK> the prereleases are only snapshots of the ongoing development
[17:05] <Lyth1> Hmm, then the problem isn't caused by Jaunty
[17:06] <wirechief> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904   for those who like to read
[17:06] <Lyth1> Anyone know why allf onts would appear idential
[17:07] <kBang> perhaps your gtkrc-2.0
[17:08] <kBang> what is the last line in your gtkrc file, Lyth1 ?
[17:08] <Lyth1> Where is that?
[17:08] <kBang> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 I believe
[17:09] <Lyth1> Not there
[17:10] <kBang> well if you don't have a /home/username/.gtkrc-2.0, maybe thats the problem...
[17:10] <kBang> it is a hidden file
[17:10] <kBang> be sure your view is set to show hidden
[17:11] <Lyth1> where is it again
[17:11] <Lyth1> I don't seem to have that file
[17:11] <kBang> in your base user directory, usually /home/lyth1/.gtkrc-2.0, for example
[17:11] <Lyth1> I checked there, nothere
[17:11] <kBang> be sure your View is set to Show Hidden Files
[17:11] <Lyth1> it is
[17:12] <kBang> hrm...then make one maybe
[17:12] <Lyth1> What should I put in it
[17:12] <kBang> sec let me see if there is an good example on the net
[17:13] <wirechief> kBang: http://pastebin.com/f38587872
[17:14] <wirechief> thats mine
[17:14] <Barridus> anyone know why i peridically get "The following packages have been kept back:" from apt-get upgrade?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/153539/
[17:14] <Lyth1> I just managed to fix it!
[17:15] <PhotoJim> Barridus: you have to do aptitude dist-upgrade to install some upgrades sometimes.
[17:15] <kBang> nice
[17:15] <kBang> How so Lyth1?
[17:15] <kBang> your theme engine should be setting it automatically
[17:15] <Lyth1> sudo fc-cache -f -v
[17:15] <kBang> ahh your font cache wasn't updated
[17:15] <kBang> >.<
[17:15] <[4-tea-2]> Barridus: it also happens sometimes when updated packages have been uploaded to the repository, but their updated dependencies are not available yet.
[17:16] <Barridus> ok thanks guys, both could be it i guess (although i'll try PhotoJim's idea first)
[17:16] <Lyth1> Ubuntu: The most amusing frustration
[17:17] <f1assistance> is there an app that will tell me what the hardware is on my system or what it knows about?
[17:17] <Barridus> PhotoJim, ok it was dist-upgrade.  what does that mean then?
[17:17] <PhotoJim> flox: a really good terminal-based one is lshw
[17:17] <hil> Better than the most frustrating amusement from redmont ;)
[17:17] <PhotoJim> Barridus: truthfully?  I don't know.  dist-upgrade is intended for major upgrades.  but I'm not sure how the packages are marked to make the differentiation.
[17:18] <[4-tea-2]> Barridus: it also means that you should switch to aptitude. :)
[17:18] <cousteau> looks like the installer is a zillion times faster than Hardy's one
[17:18] <PhotoJim> Barridus: I agree that aptitude is better, although it has dist-upgrade too. :)
[17:18] <Barridus> yeah i use both.  depends what i'm doing
[17:19] <PhotoJim> I'd stick to one.  if you use aptitude exclusively your dependency checking will work better, if I trust what I've read.
[17:19] <Barridus> it's fun to just quickly type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo reboot" then walk to the restroom
[17:19] <[4-tea-2]> Barridus: be aware that on some systems (not sure about jaunty), apt-get will not mark packages as "manually installed", thus a later aptitude run might delete them.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> guys, aptitude has safe-upgrade , where apt doesn't ..don't ask me if it's safer ?
[17:20] <PhotoJim> Barridus: I use safe-upgrade instead of upgrade.  can't tell you if it's better.  probably is :)
[17:20] <Barridus> [4-tea-2], not sure what you mean
[17:20] <cousteau> isn't aptitude just a front-end to apt-get?
[17:20] <[4-tea-2]> cousteau: no
[17:20] <PhotoJim> bbiab
[17:20] <Barridus> cousteau, no but it's a common misconception
[17:21] <[4-tea-2]> Barridus: aptitude will clean up packages that "are not longer used", ie. packages that have not been installed manually and are no longer needed by other packages.
[17:21] <cousteau> good to know
[17:21] <wirechief> Barridus do you do sudo killall gdm before you dist-upgrade ?
[17:22] <Barridus> well i've never done dist-upgrade...
[17:22] <[4-tea-2]> Barridus: "apt-get install somepackage" does not know how to mark packages as "somepackage was installed manually and should stick around" on some systems (e.g. Debian etch, lenny)
[17:22] <Barridus> well i "tested" it but didn't say "y"
[17:23] <[4-tea-2]> Barridus: you might want to try starting aptitude in GUI mode (just "aptitude")
[17:23] <Barridus> wouldn't killall gdm be sorta bad if you hadn't exited to the true terminal?
[17:24] <wirechief> well sure,  with ctrl-alt f2 or so
[17:24] <Barridus> i've sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop before for other purposes but after ctrl-alt-f2
[17:24] <[4-tea-2]> Barridus: it takes a moment to see how it works, but I think it's worth it. It's been my preferred package management tool for years.
[17:24] <Trewas> [4-tea-2]: actually apt-get also marks which packages have been installed manually, it just does not remove not needed automatically installed packages automagically (like aptitude), you have to use apt-get autoremove
[17:24] <Barridus> [4-tea-2], i've used it tons already but thanks
[17:25] <Barridus> i didn't start with apt-get :)  i haven't been using linux that long, so i started with gui stuff until i became familiar with why it worked
[17:25] <wirechief> Barridus i think i read in a forum on dreamlinux the use of sudo killall gdm from a ctrl-alt f2 terminal is the recommened way to keep from smucking your gdm stuff with updates.
[17:26] <Barridus> good to know, i'll look into that myself then
[17:26] <wirechief> Barridus other distros like sidux , kanotix have scripts to drop into init 3 and they do their apt-get dist-upgrade from there.
[17:26] <Barridus> i really never did updates very often at all, i used to run hardy
[17:26] <Barridus> and updates were very rare
[17:27] <wirechief> Barridus and they said this was basically doing the same as those scripts... i do not know but i have been using that method to du
[17:27] <Arnos> Does upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 RC using "update-manager -d" work under a Wubi installation?  is it safe?
[17:27] <cousteau> jaunty installed! now I have to test it
[17:28] <xangua> jum....
[17:28] <bop> After the upgrade my evince is not diplaying pdfs anyone has any ideas?
[17:28] <Barridus> wirechief, i love learning stuff so thank you
[17:28] <wirechief> cousteau checkout the usb startup feature
[17:28] <Barridus> or at least being hinted there's something interesting to learn XD
[17:29] <Eruaran> just did my dist upgrade before
[17:29] <Eruaran> restarted after kernel updates
[17:29] <wirechief> Barridus well its only from what i have gotten from reading like in that dreamlunix forum, i thought it was interesting thats how they do there du's
[17:29] <Barridus> it makes sense logically
[17:29] <Barridus> why not cut down all variables except the internet connection and dist-upgrade
[17:29] <Barridus> nothing to potentially collide
[17:30] <Arnos> Does upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 RC using "update-manager -d" work under a Wubi installation?  is it safe?
[17:30] <wirechief> Barridus it does. unfortunately dreamlinux does not work for me at all in any of my testing of it.
[17:30] <Barridus> i'm half tempted to try that now actually
[17:31] <wirechief> Arnos (i dont know) but have you read http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[17:31] <Barridus> wirechief, i'm on a new install atm, so nothing much to lose
[17:31]  * wirechief doesnt use wubi
[17:31] <wirechief> Barridus cool
[17:31] <Arnos> wirechief: Yes I have, the page doesn't mention Wubi
[17:32] <Barridus> Arnos, i've never updated wubi but i suspect it will prolly work.  be sure to look around thoroughly first
[17:32] <wirechief> Barridus i found a bug with the usb-creator  when you use it with persistence it drops you to a initramfs shell unless you use a boot cheat rootdelay=90
[17:32] <Arnos> look around where?
[17:32] <Barridus> i only used wubi for a few hours before i said "SOLD!" and busted out the partitioner XD
[17:33] <Barridus> Arnos, google?  i doubt there will be many wubi'ers in these chans
[17:33] <charlie-tca> What about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades
[17:33] <wirechief> Barridus i am about to test it again the bug is 276822
[17:33] <Barridus> wait
[17:33] <hallowname> um i have a bug on jaunty i cant find a reference too. whenever i use 'svn' on more than 100mb of data. complete lockup. only sysrq responds. tips?
[17:34] <Barridus> can you clarify what you mean?  my live usb crapped out yesterday with persistence.  said it ran out of space and then locked up on that error
[17:34] <Barridus> during maybe the 5th boot?
[17:34] <wirechief> hallowname if you are totally locked up you can use RSEIUB
[17:35] <hallowname> wirechief: i kno. i have to when i try to svn more than 100mb of data. which i need to do a lot. lol. i need a working svn somehow..
[17:35] <[4-tea-2]> hallowname: I got a similar problem, related to a Broadcom NIC using the tg3 driver.
[17:35] <hallowname> [4-tea-2]: huh? causing svn to lock down the computer?
[17:36] <hallowname> i cant 'apt-get -b source subversion' either... build failure... =[
[17:36] <Barridus> wirechief, or you mean the bug occurs during the actual gui of the making process?
[17:36] <[4-tea-2]> hallowname: causing the computer to lock up when I send a lot of data, no matter what.
[17:36] <hallowname> [4-tea-2]: gotcha. i can download tarballs all day here. just svn locks it up.
[17:37] <wirechief> Barridus no, when you boot from the newly made stick you have to use f6 and then add the cheat to the grub boot line
[17:37] <[4-tea-2]> hallowname: I can download as much I want. I only have problems when I send a lot of data. Does svn send a lot of data when comparing a 100MB repository?
[17:37] <Arnos> ah, here we are: "Once Ubuntu is installed with Wubi you can dist-upgrade it as usual from within Ubuntu." -ago
[17:37] <hallowname> [4-tea-2]: ah it does. but i torrent all day. uploads are fine.
[17:37] <[4-tea-2]> hallowname: anyway, if you got a Broadcom NIC, you might consider it as a possible source of the problem. If not, probably not. ;)
[17:38] <wirechief> Arnos did you find a link on that ?
[17:38] <Barridus> wirechief, ohhhh ok.  sorry i had a usb stick booting issue yesterday unrelated, and i think i just read what i "wanted" to read
[17:38] <hallowname> [4-tea-2]: no i dont =] thx tho
[17:38] <ienorand> Arnos: Where did you find that, I wa looking for it as well.
[17:38] <Arnos> ienorand: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1107950
[17:38] <Arnos> ienorand: third post down
[17:39] <Barridus> speaking of booting from usb.  what if the "persistence" is full and the stick won't boot?
[17:39] <cousteau> is ext4 stable?
[17:39] <ienorand> Arnos: Got it, I was looking mostly at wiki... I guess it should be added to the wiki somewhere...
[17:39] <atlef> !ext4
[17:39] <Barridus> i was never able to use ubuntu's boot stick maker before jaunty, it never worked.  i used unetbootin
[17:40] <Barridus> cousteau, it's been fine for me for weeks
[17:40] <Barridus> even with shuffling data-filled partitions around and resizing, etc
[17:40] <hallowname> cousteau: good here too
[17:41]  * hallowname kicks svn
[17:41] <cousteau> 'cause I installed jaunty using the automatic partitioning and it used ext3
[17:41] <cousteau> (and I wanted to test the ext4)
[17:41] <wirechief> Barridus unetbootin is available in jaunty just apt-get unetbootin
[17:41] <hallowname> cousteau: you have to manually tell it to use ext4 :)  cuz the pl are still scared of it
[17:42] <wirechief> Barridus but this issue with rootdelay affected both cd-creator and unetbootin for me
[17:42] <robin0800> cousteau: ext3 is still the default
[17:42] <ienorand> cousteau: The problem, at least that _was_ , is the one about data being lost on computer reset during operations... I think at least one of the bugs there have been fixed...
[17:42] <cousteau> so it's not a good idea to use ext4 yet?
[17:42] <Barridus> wirechief, ah, didn't know unetbootin was in repo now.  it wasn't a while back
[17:43] <wirechief> Barridus if you see the busybox shell you will know exactly what im talking about *g*
[17:43] <cousteau> (I'm going to use it anyway on my test HD)
[17:43] <hallowname> cousteau: use it :) its fast. if it screws u, u should have had backups.
[17:43] <wirechief> Barridus yes, i have both
[17:43] <dtchen> cousteau: the fact that it's not used by default in Ubuntu should say something
[17:43] <Barridus> so any idea how to clear the persistence data?
[17:43] <Barridus> if it will no longer boot?
[17:44] <dtchen> cousteau: if you really want ext4, you might want Fedora 11, which has even more patches for ext4
[17:44] <wirechief> Barridus and you select unetbootin from the Applications >System tools
[17:45] <wirechief> Barridus well i havent exceeded my 1gb of persistence but would expect you could just delete files and make room.
[17:45] <hggdh> cousteau, if you are going to use ext4, it is a good idea to set the partitions *after* upgrading
[17:45] <reya276> Where can I get the Ubuntu-Restricted-Extras packages
[17:45] <cousteau> I can't believe I already broke the LiveCD session
[17:45] <wirechief> Barridus one other thing that might happen is you boot to a terminal screen, if you do just give startx
[17:45] <cousteau> I can only type, but can't use the mouse nor the keyboard to change the window
[17:46] <dtchen> cousteau: using the latest daily-live?
[17:46] <cousteau> the release candidate
[17:46] <dtchen> cousteau: right, you'd want to rsync to the latest daily-live
[17:46] <Barridus> wirechief, i'll test if i can replicate it later, it wouldn't let me do anything that i remember.  i was in a hurry though so i just rebooted into livecd and remade it
[17:46] <cousteau> I'll have to restart the session
[17:46] <reya276> Where can I get the Ubuntu-Restricted-Extras packages for Jaunty RC1?
[17:46] <dtchen> cousteau: you'll have to do that anyway ;)
[17:47] <xangua> reya276: in Gnome go to Apps> Ad7quit
[17:47] <wirechief> Barridus well thats ok. others seeing this discussion might be helped by it but the instructions are on launchpad bug 276822
[17:48] <wirechief> Barridus see, i was hoping it would jump up with a link,,, some interesting reading about the history of this.
[17:48] <cousteau> :'( :'( :'( Ctrl+Alt+Bksp isn't working
[17:50] <dtchen> cousteau: altgr+sysrq+k
[17:50] <hallowname> cousteau: ctrl+alt+sysrq+ { R,E,I,S,U,B } :)
[17:50] <cousteau> looks like Ctrl Alt F1 still works
[17:50] <cousteau> I'll kill gdm there
[17:50] <Barridus> yeah i looked it up, odd
[17:50] <dtchen> hallowname: that would be a bit extreme ;)
[17:51] <deany> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap
[17:51] <Barridus> ok i'm gonna try that killall gdm   distro-upgrade
[17:51] <wirechief> Barridus perhaps the delay can be shorted, it might depend on the size of the persistence (time to load it up)
[17:51] <Barridus> just for kicks, bbl (hopefully :D)
[17:51] <wirechief> Bye
[17:51] <hallowname> dtchen: he was goin for down time anyway ;p
[17:52] <hallowname> wonder if 'sudo apt-get -b source subversion' will magically work after jaunty's release...
[17:52] <cousteau> fixed...
[17:53] <reya276> xangua: is that the name of the app for the Ubuntu - extras?
[17:54] <xangua> Ubuntu extras is a metapackage that installs flash, java, codecs, fonts, etc
[17:54] <xangua> you can install Ubuntu extras in Ubuntu/Gnome thru Apps> Add/quit
[17:54] <deany> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:54] <deany> and last i checked, it didnt include java this time around
[17:54] <reya276> I know what it is, I've always installed it before by searching for Ubuntu-Restricted and now I can't find it in the repositories
[17:55] <deany> you need medibuntu repo
[17:55] <gnubie> reya276;  you   should find the restricted in synaptics, you may have to turn the concanical 3rd party on.
[17:55] <reya276> ah ok
[17:55] <reya276> thanks
[17:55] <hallowname> jaunty already had ubuntu-restricted-extras in synaptic when i installed... from beta alternate.
[18:04] <abdelrahman> People I'm extremely disappointed from jaunty... I thought it would work smoothly on my laptop...it turned out to be just like hardy!
[18:04] <abdelrahman> no sound, no suspend, no hibernate!
[18:05] <abdelrahman> I have a tx2510us...and ofcourse the wacom packages aren't working out..
[18:05] <abdelrahman> :(
[18:06] <BluesKaj> abdelrahman, intel sound card ?
[18:06] <abdelrahman> realtec
[18:06] <BluesKaj> make sure alsa is installed
[18:07] <abdelrahman> it should be by default? I haven't done anything
[18:07] <abdelrahman> or is it pulseaudio the one default like in hardy
[18:08] <dtchen> alsa is the underlying audio subsystem. it is always installed in Ubuntu.
[18:09] <dtchen> for Ubuntu, pulseaudio is used on top of alsa. for Kubuntu, pulseaudio is not used by default, but it can be configured to be used, and same as the latter for Xubuntu , Mythbuntu, and Ubuntu Studio
[18:09] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio | dtchen
[18:10] <dtchen> BluesKaj: ?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> it's installed by default
[18:10] <dtchen> BluesKaj: i just said that
[18:10] <dtchen> and yes, i know. chocek the changelog for alsa-* and pulseaudio packages.
[18:10] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio i mean
[18:10] <dtchen> s/chocek/check/
[18:12] <slept> hi, I have a very bad experience with dist-upgrade ... when I try to install gnome (things go fine) there is a recomondation to install fam  this creats tons of package collisions
[18:12] <dtchen> abdelrahman: i presume you installed Ubuntu?
[18:12] <abdelrahman> dtchen: yea!
[18:12] <_megabreit_> Hi there!
[18:12] <dtchen> slept: using apt-get/aptitude or using do-release-upgrade/update-manager?
[18:12] <slept> but fam is not one of the packages colliding which seems to be really strange
[18:13] <slept> update-manager
[18:13] <slept> then i removed couple of things /metapackages
[18:13] <dtchen> slept: you shouldn't be using fam; gamin is a drop-in replacement for it
[18:14] <slept> than there shouldn't be the suggestion to install it , right ?
[18:14] <dtchen> abdelrahman: please run the following command: ubuntu-bug pulseaudio
[18:14] <abdelrahman> dtchen: what that should do?
[18:14] <dtchen> slept: depends whether the source package has been updated
[18:15] <dtchen> abdelrahman: it will file a bug against the pulseaudio package. i need the information it gathers to help troubleshoot.
[18:15] <slept> ?
[18:15] <dtchen> slept: arguably, yes, it's a bug to be recommending it. please file a bug against the packages that recommend fam so we can get that fixed in karmic.
[18:15] <slept> dtchen, I don't get it, things should fit together and after a freeze there mustn't be any dependencie problems
[18:15] <abdelrahman> dtchen: mmm ok..let me switch my computer back to ubuntu to do that :D
[18:16] <_megabreit_> I installed 9.04 today, everything went pretty smoothly except the grub configuration... (this didn't even work in the 8.x)
[18:16] <CrocoJet> no more 9.04 beta iso?
[18:16] <dtchen> CrocoJet: no, RC has superceded it
[18:17] <CrocoJet> ok
[18:17] <marvin_> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
[18:17] <marvin_> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
[18:17] <marvin_> 9999999999999999999
[18:17] <CrocoJet> I think "RC" release is almost final, right?
[18:18] <dtchen> CrocoJet: correct, it means "release candidate"
[18:18] <ienorand> CrocoJet: There is still daily...
[18:18] <_megabreit_> The ubuntu installer mixes my disk sequence in a different way as grub recognizes them later... anybody has experienced such behavior?
[18:18] <slept> where was the file containing all the packages ... can't find it ..
[18:18] <CrocoJet> daily came with last updates?
[18:18] <slept> descriton of and dependecies
[18:19] <CrocoJet> sounds more stable, daily, right?
[18:19] <ienorand> _megabreit_: I had that issue, but that was because of installing everything on a separate usb stick (incl grub)
[18:19] <dtchen> CrocoJet: at this point, daily and daily-live snapshot images can be preferred to RC
[18:20] <melkart> http://i39.tinypic.com/2lnxopk.png   <--- there is a missing translation in the jaunty release candidate
[18:20] <CrocoJet> ok
[18:20] <CrocoJet> after final release, do I need change "software source"?
[18:20] <_megabreit_> ienorand: I have 2 IDE and 1 SATA disk in my system... this is probably the reason... BTW: This also happens with Suse...
[18:21] <dtchen> CrocoJet: no
[18:21] <CrocoJet> is automatic?
[18:21] <dtchen> CrocoJet: if you track daily updates until the release, you will be running the release
[18:22] <CrocoJet> to change repository to oficial, not development
[18:22] <ienorand> _megabreit_: Yea, grub was seeing different disk naming than ubuntu... using the drive it was started from as hd0.
[18:23] <slept> dtchen, ok found the package its "gnome-desktop-environment" recommending fam, are you sure that it shouldn't do so ?
[18:25] <bronson> Man this release has sloow graphics.
[18:26] <bronson> I can watch each individual window redraw.
[18:26] <calc> bronson: intel video?
[18:26] <bronson> Intel GMA4500 on Lenovo T500.
[18:26] <bronson> calc, yep
[18:26] <calc> bronson: yea intel video driver is known to be screwed, they are still working on trying to fix it, may even end up being as an update
[18:27] <calc> bronson: more information about the issue is on phoronix
[18:27] <bronson> ah good.  I
[18:27] <calc> bronson: if you disable compiz it should be relatively fast as a temporary workaround
[18:27] <bronson> 'll go read about it.
[18:27] <bronson> I did, still really slow.
[18:28] <calc> hmm i have GMA4500 on ThinkPad X200 and it seems fine for me, but then i don't do anything with 3D
[18:28] <bronson> That's the same as visual effects: none, yes?
[18:28] <yofel> bronson: you can try some of the things here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance
[18:28] <slept> yes, I can confirm that :(  got i945
[18:28] <slept> oh nice
[18:29] <bronson> I don't do 3D either...  Just switching desktops, I can watch each window scan down the screen when being repainted.
[18:29] <bronson> 1600x1200
[18:29] <dtchen> slept: that package shouldn't be installed in Ubuntu by default
[18:29] <calc> bronson: yea
[18:29] <bronson> yofel, thanks for that, I'm off to read.
[18:30] <dtchen> CrocoJet: there's no distinction between official and development repositories from apt's perspective
[18:30] <slept> gnome depends on it
[18:30] <dtchen> CrocoJet: the answer to the question i think you're attempting to ask is: "no, you won't need to change anything if you update now and continue to update daily until the release"
[18:30] <CrocoJet> dtchen, cool .. downloading now from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20090418/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso
[18:30] <CrocoJet> ok, got it ! .. thanks
[18:31] <dtchen> slept: the package 'gnome' shouldn't be installed in Ubuntu by default
[18:32] <cousteau> ok, once jaunty is installed, brasero works fine
[18:35] <slept> dtchen, oh well I wasn't expecting that...
[18:38] <dekkard> how do i get ctrl+alt+backspace back?
[18:38] <slept> could someone (if possible/ owning a fresh install)  do  "dpkg --get-selections >list" and paste it somewhere for download, maybe there are some more packages which shouldn't be installed ...
[18:39] <dtchen> dekkard: install dontzap
[18:40] <wirechief> dekard check this link http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[18:41] <dekkard> do i have to enable it after install or does it just run in the background like a daemon?
[18:41] <wirechief> dkkard it becomes a statement in your xorg.conf
[18:42] <dekkard> coo
[18:42] <dekkard> idiotic getting rid of that command...
[18:42] <wirechief> agrees...
[18:44] <wirechief> dekkard i guess they were having too many people complaining about the terminal because they accidentially did ctrl-alt backspace (i dunno)
[18:44] <dekkard> ahh
[18:44] <dekkard> maybe from emacs users..heh
[18:45] <wirechief> no from people trying to migrate from windows to linux
[18:45] <dekkard> there are only 13,450 keyboard shortcuts after all
[18:45] <dekkard> i gotcha.. just sayin
[18:45] <wirechief> dekkard just wait till you try booting with a usb stick and you end up in a dark box shell intramfs hehe
[18:46] <ienorand> dekkard: wirechief: Actually, as long as alt+sysrq+k works as it should I'm for its removal, it is a far to "natural" combination C-A-D, to have killing your xserver
[18:47] <dekkard> not a bad point
[18:47] <wirechief> ienorand we spend our lifetime in linux learning what C-A-D does and then try a new release and it doesnt work... hmmm maybe it should pop up and tell them what to do
[18:48] <yofel> wirechief: pop up when X hung up? ^^
[18:48] <cousteau> ovo
[18:48] <wirechief> yofel right a new feature... hehe
[18:48] <dekkard> sysrq.. i dun know if i have that key
[18:48] <yofel> dekkard: It's usually the 'Print' key afaik (at least here it is)
[18:48] <ienorand> dekkard: printscreen should be able to substitute...
[18:49] <dekkard> ok..yeah have that
[18:49] <wirechief> yofel if you do a C-A-D you might have more than a headache .. ctrl-alt backspace was a great way to exit
[18:49]  * dekkard using old model m
[18:49] <yofel> wirechief: true
[18:50] <wirechief> yofel and besides. if your totally locked up using RSEIUB is much safer
[18:50] <yofel> wirechief: I know that :P
[18:51] <yofel> dekkard: It you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[18:51] <wirechief> yofel and probably by the time we all remember what that means it will get changed  too *g*
[18:51] <yofel> ^^
[18:52] <ienorand> wirechief: Is it bettter to sunc before or after sigkill and sigterm ?
[18:52] <ienorand> *sync
[18:52] <ienorand> *better
[18:53] <otm> Does anyone know how I can reset the network proxy settings permanently?
[18:53] <dekkard> bbl
[18:53] <otm> I set it up through terminal to work at school but now things like add/remove programs wont work
[18:54] <otm> and I don't know how to reset variables like http_proxy which I think is causing the problem
[18:55] <otm> sure is quiet for 327 Users!
[18:55] <wirechief> ienorand I just found using the key sequence got me out of the trouble i was in quickly and safely and have never had a crashed system from it
[18:56] <Skapare> otm: 323 zombies
[18:56] <wirechief> with intel945 its really a life saver.
[18:56] <hifi> does ubuntu kernel have radeon framebuffer available?
[18:57] <wirechief> ienorand but i keep my home backed up all the time on my ext partition on my usb drive
[18:59] <poningru> halp
[19:00] <poningru> cant get ekiga to work under 64bit ubuntu
[19:01] <Barridus> does evolution work better with exchange if synch'ed locally?
[19:05] <cumulus007> Hi, Ubuntu Jaunty RC won't boot up from my USB stick
[19:05] <cumulus007> is this a known bug?
[19:07] <poningru> cumulus007, no
[19:07] <poningru> whats wrong? and how did you put it in your usb?
[19:07] <cumulus007> with the usb creator
[19:07] <cumulus007> I found this btw:
[19:07] <cumulus007> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/casper/+bug/363038
[19:11] <poningru> cumulus007, then try to recreate the usb
[19:11] <cumulus007> did that 3 times
[19:11] <cumulus007> I'm downloading the daily right now
[19:12] <Pedrolito> if I install the RC, will I need to do a full reinstall when the final version is out in 5 days or will updates do the trick?
[19:12] <daftykins> updates'll probly be fine
[19:13] <Pedrolito> nice
[19:13] <Pedrolito> thanks
[19:16] <bop> anybody having problems with evince after upgrading
[19:17] <bop> ?
[19:25] <yofel> bop: what specific?
[19:28] <bop> it does not open pdf files
[19:28] <bop> eps and svg files are ok
[19:28] <poningru> bop, seems ok let me test again
[19:29] <bop> may be it happens for my configuration i don't know
[19:29] <bop> also acroread and xpdf works fine
[19:35] <_akahige_> is there a way of viewing the list of updated packages by date? something just recently happened that has effected the layout of Firefox buttons and sliders, and I'm trying to see if I can narrow down what it was...
[19:36] <Pici> _akahige_: check /var/log/dpkg.log
[19:36] <St0n3-C0l> has the performance of intel driver in xorg 7.4 improved in ubuntu 9.04 RC?
[19:37] <_akahige_> Pici: thanks
[19:38] <drbobb> hmmm would an older xserver version work in jaunty?
[19:38] <yofel> St0n3-C0l: not really - the benchmarks here are a quite good reference: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_intel_greedy&num=1
[19:39] <St0n3-C0l> thanks
[19:39] <drbobb> my guess is that the xserver's dependencies are not that restrictive..
[19:44] <poningru> _akahige_, no updates should change your layout
[19:44] <poningru> thats the profile
[19:45] <poningru> i.e .mozilla/firefox
[19:45] <poningru> iirc
[19:45] <_akahige_> poningru: I wouldn't think so, and yet... I can't really explain what I'm seeing... if I post a screen grab you mind taking a look?
[19:45] <ienorand> _akahige_: Try runnin firefox -P and create a new profile, if that one looks ok, it will be settings in firefox/extensions/similar.
[19:46] <poningru> sure
[19:46] <poningru> ienorand, no thats extensions folder
[19:46] <poningru> the profile is in ~/.mozilla
[19:47] <ienorand> poningru: Nono, I was saying it will be beacuase of settings and/or extensions and/or something similar the /s were kinda misleading though...
[19:48] <poningru> ah gotcha
[19:49] <_akahige_> poningru: before I post this, let me try the new profile suggestion real quick...
[19:50] <Twigathy> It's been a while since I've done a 'normal' upgrade.... will update-manager -d reboot my machine as soon as it's done or prompt me to do so?
[19:50] <Twigathy> (I have to fiddle with grub before rebooting or else Things Will Go Wrong :>)
[19:51] <poningru> prompt you to do so
[19:52] <Twigathy> excellent :D
[19:53] <makario> Anyone know of a good Gmail checker that uses the new notification system?
[19:58] <kklimonda> is there still some problem with fglrx in 9.04?
[20:00] <deany> makario, enable pop3 and use standard email client...
[20:00] <_akahige_> poningru: I've got two images upped here: http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV2j44Zr http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq2kBfz0  . both shot on a clean profile.
[20:00] <makario> deany, I used to do that, but I've switched to IMAP since I got a G1. More centralized.
[20:01] <makario> deany: And I'm not too big of a fan of IMAP in Evolution.
[20:01] <Bob_Dole> I'm trying to find a way to mount a samba share so that my windows software running under WINE can access it, such as ion the media folder.. on intrepid there was a program "ksamba" or some KDE software I can't find in jaunty that did it for me... mounting it through the "network" thing under places mounts it..but not in a way my windows software can access it.
[20:02] <poningru> _akahige_, why do you have so many profiles?
[20:02] <poningru> just switch to the original one
[20:03] <_akahige_> boredom?  ;)
[20:03] <abstr4kt> hi
[20:03] <Bob_Dole> Also, I'm using jaunty because it actually boots on this system.. Intrepid and Hardy don't, for some reason.
[20:03] <deany> you can use imap tho in your email client?
[20:03] <abstr4kt> anybody have tested flumotion on jaunty??
[20:03] <deany> i use tbird
[20:04] <_akahige_> poningru: there is no "original" profile. nothing clean, anyway
[20:04] <poningru> _akahige_, what do you mean nothing clean?
[20:04] <poningru> whats wrong with it?
[20:05] <antoranz> does anybody know (around) when the netbooks based on ARM?
[20:05] <antoranz> ... will be out?
[20:05] <faresko> Hello
[20:06] <Bob_Dole> I'm thinking about buying one of those MIPS based netbooks.
[20:06] <_akahige_> poningru: all of those profiles have extensions installed, or configs made. if this was an issue with a profile, it makes sense to create a new profile where everything is fresh and clean, right?
[20:07] <antoranz> by the way... will this be solved in the next days? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/355258
[20:08] <deany> the intel bug, still? that was a week ago..  slacking
[20:08] <jacobw-uk> i've got a problem with the xchat-gnome package, it wouldn't install, and the xchat-gnome-common package is 'stuck' on my system being unremovable and also blocking other tasks
[20:08] <_akahige_> poningru: because the profile chooser comes active before any profile is loaded (and exhibits problems similar to the main window on a clean profile), it seems apparent that the issue has something to do with the graphic lib that Firefox is using -- I just don't know what that is
[20:08] <antoranz> I'm already psichologically prepared to lose acceleration with jaunty... but I'd love to get it back
[20:09] <poningru> _akahige_, if you dont care for the data in the profiles what you can do is just rm -rf ~/.mozilla or mv ~/.mozilla ~/mozilla
[20:09] <Bob_Dole> antoranz: there's uax or something new for accel. on intel chips. it has stability issues, I hear.
[20:10] <antoranz> translation: do I forget about it?
[20:10] <antoranz> as It's like a legacy chipset, perhaps it will simply be dropped
[20:10] <_akahige_> poningru: I'm aware of that. what does the number of profiles I've got have to do with the issue of the window layout?
[20:11] <poningru> wait what do you mean window layout?
[20:11] <poningru> I thought you said toolbar layout
[20:11] <Bob_Dole> antoranz: I think waiting for a couple of months and check the status of this new accel. method
[20:11] <Bob_Dole> Let me go make sure of its name
[20:12] <antoranz> so perhaps it will come back? For jaunty? Or kinky?
[20:12] <_akahige_> poningru: nope. sorry. do you see how in the g-news image, the scroll bar has no left edge and disappears into the page background?
[20:13] <antoranz> as I got a new job, perhaps i will be moving to another box (this is rather old, iad it's my wifes so most of the room is taken by güindous)
[20:13] <poningru> _akahige_, and a new profile fixes that? I think thats an issue with the ubuntu/firefox theme you are using
[20:13] <antoranz> Bob_Dole: there's uax and eax, I think
[20:14] <_akahige_> poningru: a new profile does not fix that. the screenshot was take WITH a new profile just to confirm that it wasn't related to the theme or something else in the old profile I was using
[20:14] <poningru> yeah its gotta be an ubuntu theme issue then
[20:14] <poningru> try changing to a different theme
[20:14] <Bob_Dole> antoranz:  Ah, they mention how to get accel. working in the release notes... http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[20:14] <antoranz> really?
[20:15] <antoranz> let me save it so I can check it later (I'm about to leave)
[20:15] <hale3rc> hello!
[20:15] <Bob_Dole> It's near the bottom of the page
[20:15] <hale3rc> how do i update from the beta to the RC?
[20:16]  * Bob_Dole still waiting on an answer for how to mount a samba share to /media instead of "on the desktop" where his windows software can't see it.
[20:16] <_akahige_> poningru: are you sure they're theme related? Firefox is doesn't use gtk theming for its interior window layout
[20:16] <Praveen> hale3rc: update-manager -d
[20:16] <hale3rc> praveen:  that's all i have to do?
[20:17] <antoranz> Bob_Dole... I think I tried with uxa and itdidn't work
[20:17] <antoranz> I'll try just in case
[20:17] <antoranz> talk later!
[20:17] <poningru> _akahige_, sure it does atleast in linux
[20:17] <Bob_Dole> ant: try the "greedy" thing
[20:18] <_akahige_> poningru: then why, when I switch gtk themes do all of the open apps on the desktop shift their scroll bars EXCEPT Firefox?
[20:19] <poningru> _akahige_, do you have a firefox theme installed through ubuntu? let me check if thats even possible
[20:19] <unko> sup guys
[20:20] <unko> ok im wondering if i install jaunty now... and the final release comes out.. will the update mamanger update me to the final realse since im in bets?
[20:20] <unko> beta?
[20:20] <poningru> yes
[20:20] <_akahige_> poningru: I usually use Firefox themes, but like I said earlier, that screenshot was taken with the default theme
[20:20] <poningru> unko, yes
[20:20] <poningru> _akahige_, yeah see the buttons on there are not the default buttons
[20:20] <Praveen> hale3rc: i think so
[20:21] <unko> ok poningru so i should have nothing to worry about if i install it and use it as default desktop right?
[20:21] <poningru> unko, yeah
[20:21] <unko> ok nice
[20:21] <poningru> you can just use the update manager to update to the release
[20:21] <_akahige_> poningru: and those buttons come from... some kind of graphics lib that Firefox is referencing, right...?
[20:22] <unko> beacause, i don't know alot of people were saying there still alot of bugs and glitches and it's gonna be released in five doys so there can't be many bugs
[20:22] <poningru> _akahige_, probably some theme that was installed system wide
[20:22] <mrwes> unko, solid on my end
[20:23] <unko> mrwes, ok nice
[20:23] <poningru> unko, I do have some issues with some particualr software like ekiga and stuff
[20:23] <unko> mrwes, specs?
[20:23] <poningru> so I dont know
[20:23] <mrwes> unko: Dell D600
[20:23] <unko> i never used that so i don't care..
[20:23] <poningru> those bugs will probably not be solved unless they are a huge issue
[20:23] <unko> mrwes, can i pm u?
[20:23] <Heeroo> hi:)
[20:23] <unko> yea..
[20:24] <mrwes> hrm...ok, but I am watching the NBA playoffs :)
[20:24] <unko> hhaa ok
[20:25] <_akahige_> poningru: I saw some theme related updates come through the update manager, but that was days ago, and this problem cropped up today
[20:27] <Heeroo> how can i update my drivers?
[20:35] <Tecna> weird...
[20:36] <Tecna> I can't umount <filesystem> -f
[20:37] <Tecna> isn't -f supposed to FORCE unmount even if the filesystem is busy?
[20:37] <bronson> tecna, crash?
[20:37] <Tecna> what?
[20:37] <bronson> oh, is it an nfs volume?
[20:37] <Tecna> no
[20:37] <bronson> I think it's up to the fs if -f works or not.
[20:38] <Tecna> its ext2
[20:38] <ikus060> Hi all, I'm running Jaunty (with ext4) and I'm looking for a way to recover a deleted file. thanks for help.
[20:38] <bronson> And, I've seen it even with NFS where things would crash and -f wouldn't work.
[20:38] <bronson> ikus060, heh...  you're in uncharted territory.
[20:38] <bronson> If you figure out how, make sure to make a blog post.  :)
[20:39] <Tecna> so how can I umount?
[20:39] <ikus060> bronson: hey hey, so recovering file from ext4 wasn't a requirement ?!
[20:39] <bronson> a reboot will fix it.  :(
[20:39] <bronson> other than that, start killing processes, removing modules, and digging through logfiles maybe.
[20:40] <mrwes> hrmm
[20:40] <Tecna> this is annoying...
[20:41] <poningru> Tecna, do lsof and grep for where that fs was mounted
[20:41] <poningru> but yes if you do sudo umount -f fs
[20:41] <Tecna> there isn't even anything on the drive to be used
[20:41] <poningru> it should umount forced
[20:41] <poningru> do it couple of times
[20:42] <mrwes> Tecna, still learning to mount and umount? :P
[20:42] <bronson> ikus060, not a requirement I think.  It's certainly a nice-to-have but I don't know the state of it.
[20:42] <Tecna> no...
[20:43] <Tecna> mrwes: I think it's another bug, because I'm not doing anything different from any other distro, and it's just not working
[20:44] <mrwes> so report it and see if anyone else is experiencing the same thing
[20:45] <Tecna> I'll report it as soon as I can confirm that it's really a bug and I know exactly how to replicate it
[20:45] <Tecna> wait...
[20:45]  * Tecna checks something
[20:45] <mrwes> Tecna, still having issues with the ntfs mounts?
[20:46] <Tecna> no, this is an ext2 fs
[20:46] <mrwes> oh...
[20:46] <Tecna> if you remember my fs tab, it's my /scratch mount
[20:47] <mrwes> not the scratch I don't
[20:48] <Heeroo> how can i update my drivers?
[20:49] <mrwes> drivers?
[20:49] <Tecna> well, i'm trying to unmount it to reformat
[20:49] <mrwes> can't umount using sudo either?
[20:50] <Tecna> i know better than to try to umount without sudo
[20:50] <mrwes> hrmm...
[20:55] <Heeroo> In my login screen the text is to big, how can i change thet?
[20:59] <amikrop> Does RC have any problems with any (proprietary) graphics card drivers?
[20:59] <amikrop> E.g. they are not ready due to Xorg change.
[20:59] <amikrop> Or anything?
[21:04] <yofel> amikrop: nvidia works fine here, there were problems with fglrx, not sure if the new version is already out
[21:05] <amikrop> yofel: ok, thank you :)
[21:07] <macman_> sup all
[21:07] <Saruji> Hello, I have deleted my ubuntu toolbar on jaunty, how can I get it back?
[21:08] <macman_> everytime i do a sudo apt-get install vir i get virtualbox-2.2 .. i want to virtualbox.2.0 .. any ideas to get virtualbox2.0 ?
[21:08] <Tecna> restarting cleared everything up for now
[21:08] <macman_> Saruji: i think you have to re-add the toolbar
[21:09] <Tecna> macman_: I suggest using the force version feature in Synaptic
[21:09] <macman_> Tecna: i tried none of them work
[21:12] <macman_> anyone else ?
[21:12] <deany> im tryin to get my brothers T-mobile dongle to work in jaunty, its not playing.  i setup a new connection in network manaager, and nothing.. just doesnt even look as its trying
[21:12] <macman_> it says virtualbox is in /usr/bin/virtualbox
[21:13] <macman_> but nothing
[21:13] <deany> i thought mobile broadband was supposed to be easy
[21:15] <robin0800> deany:  are you on kde?
[21:15] <deany> gnome
[21:16] <robin0800> deany: did you use the wizard
[21:18] <deany> yes
[21:18] <deany> what else is there to use
[21:19] <deany> the entry is there for it, but its not trying to connect.. there is no "connect" option either.. Ive set to connect auto too
[21:20] <robin0800> deany:  did you check it put the right information in It was wrong in mine the APN was incorrect
[21:20] <deany> I dont know, what is the apn.
[21:20] <deany> im not "at" the pc now
[21:21] <prometheus765> hi, updates icon in notification area does not shows when updates are available, anyone have similar issue?
[21:23] <robin0800> deany: when you are go to edit connection and check the info is correct there It may be easier to connect it to a windows machine and read info from there
[21:25] <robin0800> prometheus765: No Ive never seen it  only in kde never gnome
[21:27] <kristina_> hi, how do I install the nvidia drivers on kubuntu jaunty? seems like there is no driver assistant?
[21:28] <robin0800> deany: Access Point Name
[21:28] <prometheus765> kristina_: check System->Administration->Drivers or Restricted Drivers if you are using gnome
[21:29] <kristina_> prometheus765: nope, kde
[21:32] <prometheus765> kristina_: try adept manager and search for package named 'nvidia-glx-180'. I don't use kubuntu so i don't know if there is a better/easier way to install those drivers
[21:33] <kristina_> prometheus765: ok, thanks
[21:33] <robin0800> deany:  for Uk T-mobile APN = general.t-mobile.uk
[21:34] <Bert_2> Hi, I'm having problems with the user switch applet in the jaunty netbook remix, it appears as a white bar, I can't find the bug on launchpad, is this me or a new bug ?
[21:37] <BigMoopies> What's the "new notification system" stuff this page is talking about that will be in Jaunty? http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/12/canonical-linux-notification-system.ars (or is it even true)
[21:38] <Amaranth> BigMoopies: Most of it is already
[21:39] <BigMoopies> Amaranth, from what I understand it's supposed to cut down on some kind of notifications to the user ?
[21:39] <Amaranth> BigMoopies: It's supposed to make notifications saner
[21:39] <BigMoopies> Amaranth, I guess I'll have to see it to understand it
[21:39] <Amaranth> You'll get just as many or more notifications
[21:40] <Amaranth> Did you watch the video?
[21:40] <Amaranth> If so, imagine basically all of that except the animations
[21:40] <BigMoopies> oh , I thought that was just an image.
[21:40] <BigMoopies> I'll watch it
[21:40] <Amaranth> And some tweaks for how you get notified of new mail or new messages in pidgin
[21:41] <BigMoopies> wow, that looks annoying
[21:41] <BigMoopies> Looks like a big bad super 'Guifications'
[21:41] <BigMoopies> (for pidgin)
[21:50] <mrwes> any additional reports of 'hot' RAM on laptops?
[21:51] <noodlesgc> hey I noticed my gfx card is blacklisted (Blacklisted PCIID '8086:2a02' found). Why? & Will jaunty final ship with this?
[21:54] <noodlesgc> ah, I see the issue here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1129055
[22:01] <deany> its set right
[22:01] <deany> wont connect
[22:01] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[22:02] <hallowname> anyone on ext4 + jaunty here? dont use svn for stuff over 60mb. it will lock up. :D now u know. u can svn to ext3 partitions tho. svn needs fixn.
[22:03] <noodlesgc> hallowname: thats odd. I have used 1+gb files on ext4, and I haven't crashed
[22:03] <noodlesgc> hallowname: oh, you said svn. nvm
[22:03] <deany> login as "t-mobile"      password as mms (default in jaunty setup) and number is *99#.  not working.. this is bs
[22:05] <kristina_> hi, how do I add a new local printer?
[22:06] <jeiworth> kristina_: gnome or kde?
[22:06] <kristina_> jeiworth: kde
[22:06] <m0RrE> http://localhost:631 should do it kristina_
[22:06] <hallowname> noodlesgc: yea everything is golden on ext4 it seems except svn
[22:07] <jeiworth> ok, in the new start menu its (afair) kde -> applications -> system but they also moved it back to system settings
[22:09] <jeiworth> btw is there any way to resize the new style menu? too me it appears very large, which is the reason i switched back to classicc menu
[22:10] <hallowname> jeiworth: y not use lancelot? its resizeable. and cool :)
[22:11] <deany> Anyone got any ideas about this T-mobile dongle?  it wont connect.. its setup with correct apn and "t-mobile" as user (even tried T-Mobile
[22:11] <jeiworth> hallowname: well, primarily i assume because i have never heard of it until now ;o)
[22:11] <jeiworth> got link?
[22:12] <hallowname> jeiworth: oh. its in kdeplasma-addons. with other cool things. its a start menu of sorts. better than kicker imho. prettier than classic.
[22:16] <hallowname> anyone here tried the openbrain plasmoid?
[22:17] <dreamon> After Pressing STRG+ALT+F1 there is only a blank black screen. No Textconsole.
[22:17] <hallowname> dreamon: ur video driver. most likely anyway. dunno tho.
[22:17] <hallowname> dreamon: console cursor or no cursor?
[22:18] <jeiworth> hallowname: hmm looks very nice, but still quite large...
[22:18] <dreamon> hallowname, No Cursor.. only darkness.. STRG+ALT+F7 I can go back to desktop
[22:18] <hallowname> jeiworth: its resizable. grab the sides of it.
[22:19] <hallowname> dreamon: yea driver prollem id guess.
[22:19] <mathijs> Hi, I upgraded to jaunty, all fine, except for my keyboard. I noticed the repeat-delay & rate felt different, but I could adjust them. Thing is, I'm playing games in wine and I notice the repeat rate forces itself there too, while in 8.10 games would just receive press & release events.
[22:20] <mathijs> I did not change my xorg.conf, and my xorg.conf does not contain a keyboard part, so I think this means it's using evdev by default (but that would have been the case in 8.10 too I think)
[22:20] <dreamon> using Nvidia Driver. 1.80
[22:21] <dreamon> might be a problem with the 16:9 format of the notebook lcd
[22:27] <alex_mayorga> any chance this one is fixed in jaunty now https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[22:28] <luckyone> does anyone in here have conduit installed?
[22:28] <dreamon> next problem, my notebook doesnt shutdown 100%.. The display is on.. i can see white display, an how die digits lose lightning. But notebook keeps turned on. So i have to press powerbutton for a few seconds du stop runnig.
[22:28] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: can you test with a livecd/usb?
[22:28] <luckyone> since I upgraded to Jaunty, conduit runs at 49% all the time
[22:28] <BUGabundo> that's the best wsy if it fixes for you!
[22:29] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo, the daily or other, shoot a link and I can check I believe
[22:29] <BUGabundo> dreamon: seems you have a ACPI bug that won't get the proper command
[22:29] <BUGabundo> either you get a BIOS update or need a kernel patch for your laptop
[22:29] <Athenon> jaunty's screen keeps fading to black like every 15-30 minutes and its annoying.  i checked the settings in power management, and its set to "never" on AC power, which is what its using
[22:29] <jeiworth> say, does k9copy try to eat all your mem too when you try to copy a dvd
[22:29] <jeiworth> ?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: daily is fine !daily
[22:30] <BUGabundo>  !daily | alex_mayorga
[22:30] <dreamon> BUGabundo, Is there an easy way to test if the probleme comes from acpi?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> dreamon: humm you better get a kernel team member to answer that
[22:31] <BUGabundo> dreamon: file a bug and ask on #ubuntu-kerneç
[22:31] <macman_> how do you become a team member ?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> dreamon: file a bug and ask on #ubuntu-kernel
[22:31] <BUGabundo> dreamon: $ ubuntu-bug linux
[22:31] <dreamon> BUGabundo, ok. Thanks a lot
[22:31] <BUGabundo> macman_: ask on #ubuntu-motu
[22:32] <MightyTweek> Athenon: I think you may still have the screen saver enabled
[22:32] <Athenon> MightyTweek:  yeah.  it was set to blank screen after 10 mins.  thanks
[22:34] <hallowname> anyone here tried the openbrain plasmoid?
[22:36] <_akahige_> since one of the recent upgrades, I've noticed several problems with Firefox. my pdf printer has disappeared from the print selector (but it's present in other apps).  what can I do to get it back?
[22:39] <shiznebit> hi everyone, i got a question, what do i change  to make my power button run a script instead of using gnome-power-managment settings ?
[22:42] <deany> still having trouble with the t-mobile dongle.  its setup correct with correct APN, im lost..
[22:43] <deany> the password in windows for it is blocked out as usual, but is 2 chars long, whereas the one in ubuntu is set to mms  .?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> deany: mms?
[22:44] <ali1234> the windows dialogs displays "***" regardless of passwordlength
[22:45] <deany> using the wizard, its set to User and mms
[22:45] <deany> ive set the login to T-Mobile and t-mobile and T-mobile
[22:45] <ali1234> also gprs/3g data connections don't need a user/pass, only the correct APN, authentication is done by the sim card
[22:45] <deany> there is no such "wizard" in 8.10 tho..
[22:46] <deany> id try it in 8.10 ottherwise
[22:46] <deany> ok i`ll try no login/pass
[22:46] <ali1234> it wont allow you to leave them blank
[22:46] <ali1234> i usually put in "web/web"
[22:46] <ali1234> because that's what t-mobile told me
[22:46] <ali1234> but it should in theory accept anything
[22:47] <ali1234> does the dongle appear as a serial device? if so try to establish a connection using picocom
[22:48] <rlaager> Can anyone point me to instructions on migrating my encrypted private directory to use filename encryption?
[22:48] <ali1234> you may need extra initialization strings or something
[22:48] <deany> it mounts as a cd too
[22:48] <deany> ZeroCD
[22:48] <deany> with windows bs
[22:48] <deany> webnwalk
[22:48] <ali1234> so it has built in storage too... that isn't unusual for usb devices to have two modes of operation
[22:49] <ali1234> but it should appear as a serial device too i think
[22:49] <deany> my sandisk usb 16gig stick has an isofs too
[22:49] <ali1234> like /dev/ttyUSB0
[22:49] <deany> U3
[22:49] <deany> portable bs
[22:49] <deany> cant remove it
[22:49] <ali1234> this is why i only buy fake chinese rip-offs. they never have stuff like that on :)
[22:50] <deany> got no ttyUSB
[22:50] <deany> ali1234, yeah, and half their capacity lol
[22:50] <ali1234> check dmesg before and after plugging it in
[22:51] <deany> hso: /build/buildd/linux-2.6.27/drivers/net/usb/hso.c: 1.2 Option Wireless
[22:51] <deany>  usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial_generic      i get that
[22:52] <deany> yes, im on 8.10.. i cant be bothered switchin pc`s tnite.. ive tried em both
[22:52] <prometheus765> vlc always shows video in separate window, even if i set option to embed video in player window (in older ubuntu's that works), anyone have similar problem?
[22:52] <deany> i think im just gonna give up and sack any idea of ubuntu for mobile broadband....
[22:53] <BUGabundo> deany: its needs an hack
[22:53] <BUGabundo> from hal or udev
[22:53] <BUGabundo> you have to file a bug and wait for it to be fixed
[22:54] <prometheus765> also totem still shows wrong aspect ratios in all videos
[22:54] <ali1234> dont thinkhso works by a tty so i can't really help you sorry
[22:55] <mrwes> the new version of VLC is designed to show the video in a separate window
[22:55] <mrwes> I like it actually
[22:55] <shiznebit> guys what will be better to use etherwake or wakeonlan in jaunty ?
[22:55] <prometheus765> mrwes: but ther is no controls when video is played fullscreen
[22:56] <mrwes> prometheus765: sure there are from the keyboard
[22:56] <mrwes> spacebar = pause
[22:56] <mrwes> right mouse button?
[22:58] <mrwes> BUGabundo: have you heard any additional reports about hot RAM on laptops?
[22:58] <prometheus765> mrwes: right mouse button works, but in preferences there are settings for gui on fullscreen, also for embedding/unembedding video from player window. In Intrepid all of that worked, now not
[22:59] <BUGabundo> mrwes: was it RAM or HDD?
[22:59] <mrwes> BUGabundo: gotta be RAM -- hddtemp is looking Ok, and the RAM cover is smokin
[23:00] <mrwes> cputemp is good too, there is a thread in the forums on it
[23:00] <BUGabundo> mrwes: 1st time I heard about OS related MEM tempature malfuntion
[23:00] <BUGabundo> I would go with faulty HW 1st
[23:01] <BUGabundo> not at par with how kernel sets mem speed
[23:01] <BUGabundo> apw: ping you around ?
[23:01] <mrwes> BUGabundo: I installed powertop and firefox is the number one cause of wakeup and more so when running flash
[23:01] <BUGabundo> mrwes: yes flash is bad
[23:01] <mrwes> killa
[23:01] <mrwes> there's not a sensor for RAM temp is there?
[23:01] <shiznebit> mrwes: use flashblock
[23:01] <BUGabundo>    4.7% ( 70.5)       firefox-3.6 : schedule_hrtimeout_range (hrtimer_wakeup)
[23:02] <BUGabundo> with no flash
[23:02] <BUGabundo> mrwes: not that I know, on common boards!
[23:02] <shiznebit> mrwes: its a plugin for Firefox
[23:02] <mrwes> hrmm..lemme boot into ubuntu
[23:02] <mrwes> brb
[23:04] <BUGabundo>   18.2% ( 99.0)       firefox-3.6 : schedule_hrtimeout_range (hrtimer_wakeup)
[23:04] <shiznebit> BUGabundo: where are the settings for the acpi powerbutton event ?
[23:04] <BUGabundo> shiznebit: don't know!
[23:05] <BUGabundo> shiznebit: try $ mlocate acpi ?
[23:08] <mrwes> BUGabundo,   27.8% ( 99.7)           firefox : schedule_hrtimeout_range (hrtimer_wakeup)
[23:08] <BUGabundo> its not 100% ehe
[23:09] <mrwes> blah
[23:09] <mrwes> wireless card jumps through the roof on flash too
[23:10] <mrwes>   32.4% (100.0)           firefox : schedule_hrtimeout_range (hrtimer_wakeup)
[23:10] <shiznebit> is that with flash block ?
[23:11] <mrwes> no..lemme install it
[23:12] <_akahige_> when I go to print in Firefox, my printer selector is now empty. cups is installed and available in other apps. can anyone help?
[23:13] <mrwes>   41.5% (100.8)           firefox : schedule_hrtimeout_range (hrtimer_wakeup)
[23:13] <mrwes> sigh
[23:15] <mrwes> with flash vid running:   65.0% (229.2)       <interrupt> : ipw2200, Intel 82801DB-ICH4
[23:16] <shiznebit> mrwes: not an improvment ?
[23:16] <mrwes> wireless card jumps to the top -- is that to be expected?
[23:16] <mrwes> shiznebit, no
[23:16] <Praveen> i have MSTTCOREFONTS installed in jaunty. but firefox does not seem to use the fonts. please help me.
[23:17] <shiznebit> it's video i mean, what can you expect
[23:17] <mrwes> yah
[23:17] <shiznebit> Praveen: firefox uses its native fonts
[23:17] <shiznebit> mrwes: yea wireless will jump cause its downloading the video
[23:17] <Praveen> shiznebit: i dont think so. in intrepid the fonts were much different
[23:18] <Praveen> shiznebit:  i recently upgraded
[23:18] <mrwes> getting a lilttle flicker on flash 10 too
[23:18] <mrwes> little*
[23:18] <mrwes> that's new too
[23:18] <shiznebit> really? what vid card are you using ?
[23:19] <mrwes> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
[23:19] <shiznebit> are you with default x settings ?
[23:20] <mrwes> under 8.10 I could enable compiz | normal, but under 9.04
[23:20] <mrwes> yep OTB
[23:20] <mnk> hi does anyone know how to get the new jaunty notifications working? I have got jaunty now but I only get notifications for pidgin [not volume for example] and also it looks nothing like the one in Mark Shuttleworth's flash video on the jaunty notifications. Can someone PLEASE help?
[23:20] <mnk> ANY help will be appreciated :)
[23:21] <BUGabundo> mnk: $ notify-send foo
[23:21] <BUGabundo> see if that pops up
[23:21] <mnk> what's foo?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> its any text you want
[23:21] <mrwes> works here
[23:21] <mnk> aah ok cool
[23:21] <BUGabundo> mnk: $ notify-send HELLO WORLD
[23:21] <mnk> thanks
[23:21] <mnk> it seems that it is not installed!
[23:21] <mnk> i am installing it now
[23:21] <mnk> how comes it didn't come as default?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> dunno
[23:23] <mnk> ok done
[23:23] <mnk> it comes now
[23:23] <mnk> but again looks nothing like mark's black one
[23:23] <BUGabundo> mnk: $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:23] <BUGabundo> if you are on ubuntu
[23:23] <mnk> yeah i am
[23:23] <BUGabundo> marks is a mokup
[23:23] <BUGabundo> its not the real thing
[23:23] <mnk> but someone on the forums said that his was black
[23:24] <mnk> do i have to reboot or something
[23:24] <mnk> ?
[23:24] <Halow> It should be a translucent grey/black.
[23:24] <mnk> naa it isn't that
[23:24] <Halow> What color is it coming up as?
[23:25] <mnk> yellow or something
[23:25] <mrwes> Mine is black
[23:25] <mnk> it seems to be like the ubuntu theme or something
[23:25] <mrwes> shiznebit, any ideas?
[23:25] <shiznebit> mrwes: you can always go back to the XAA method, jaunty's xorg uses the new EXA method so that might be causing some trouble
[23:25] <mrwes> shiznebit, I'm not familar with that
[23:26] <mnk> is the pidgin notification stuff different?
[23:26] <mnk> cos that was working before?
[23:26] <Halow> Yeah, those are the old style notifications. Hmmm...
[23:26] <mnk> hmm
[23:26] <mnk> so now what?
[23:26] <mnk> the pidgin ones still work even now
[23:26] <mnk> but not with the black / grey colours
[23:26] <Halow> You aren't by chance using the vanilla GNOME? I forget what it was called. Starts with an S...
[23:27] <mnk> no idea
[23:27] <mnk> i just upgraded to jaunty from intrepid
[23:27] <BUGabundo> straciatela
[23:27] <mnk> 2.26.1 is my gnome version
[23:28] <Halow> mnk: Is notify-osd installed as well?
[23:28] <mnk> should i just try to install it?
[23:29] <mnk> how would i know?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> mnk: $ sudo apt-get install notify-osd
[23:29] <mnk> ok so i need that too then?
[23:30] <BUGabundo> not exaclty
[23:30] <mnk> okayyy
[23:30] <mnk> ?
[23:30] <BUGabundo> it should be there
[23:30] <mnk> aah i c
[23:30] <mnk> leme check
[23:31] <danil> Just 5 more days!
[23:32] <mnk> notify-osd is already the newest version.
[23:33] <mnk> hmm
[23:33] <mnk> after the update it seems to be working
[23:33] <mnk> so what kind of things should i be notified for?
[23:34] <mrwes> shiznebit, I'm not familar with XAA -- how do i revert to that?
[23:34] <Halow> mnk: Pidgin, rhythmbox and volume/brightness I can name right away.
[23:34] <Halow> mnk: And wireless connections.
[23:34] <mnk> how can i set the kind of stuff i want notified?
[23:34] <BUGabundo> and power,battery etc
[23:35] <BUGabundo> mnk: you can't! its not configurable by now!
[23:35] <mnk> oh ok
[23:35] <mnk> should i disable libnotify for pidgin?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:36] <deany> i hate the notification thing.. i disabled it
[23:36] <Halow> If you want to turn of pidgin notifications. Other than that, you can choose which events trigger them.
[23:36] <Halow> (messages, sign offs/sign ons, etc)
[23:36] <shiznebit> mrwes: $ sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:36] <mnk> my pidgin isn't notifying me thru this new notifications thingy
[23:37] <mrwes> shiznebit, yah I looked at the xorg.conf -- I don't see a line concerning EXA or XAA
[23:37] <shiznebit> then add the line :      Option         	"AccelMethod"   "XAA"
[23:37] <shiznebit> under Section "Device"
[23:37] <mrwes> under device?
[23:37] <mrwes> right
[23:37] <Halow> mnk: Hm... try it, I guess. That was how I turned mine off. I hated seeing when every single person was available. ;)
[23:37] <mnk> if i disable libnotify for pidgin it will stop on the new notifications?
[23:37] <mnk> or is that the old way?
[23:38]  * Twigathy wonders why ctrl-alt-backspace is now disabled >:(
[23:38] <Halow> Twigathy: Too many accidental triggers.
[23:38] <Twigathy> nnngh, ok
[23:38] <shiznebit> mrwes: then save the file and reboot
[23:38] <mrwes> got it
[23:38] <Twigathy> time to fix my nvidia drivers. The upgrade broke them, apparently :-(
[23:38] <Halow> Twigathy: Alt+Sys Rq+K does it too.
[23:39] <Halow> Twigathy: Or there's this package called dontzap you can install to get it back. ;)
[23:39] <Twigathy> yeah, just read about it. Installing now >_>
[23:39] <mnk> btw
[23:39] <mnk> what is the default jaunty theme?
[23:39]  * Twigathy ctrl-alt-backspaces :D
[23:40] <BUGabundo>  !dontzap
[23:40] <Halow> Twigathy:  ^ That.
[23:41] <mnk> what is the default jaunty theme?
[23:41] <mnk> anyone know?
[23:42] <Halow> mnk: It should still be Human, right?
[23:42] <mrwes> shiznebit, bingo! that worked -- I can enable compiz now
[23:42] <mnk> oh ok
[23:42] <mrwes> damn..that would have been a needle and a haystack of needles
[23:42] <mnk> does anyone use evolution ehre?
[23:42] <mnk> here
[23:43] <the7thmagus1> whenever I start a gnome session, my CPU usage shoots to 99%. computer is noticeably laggy. this doesn't happen in KDE and never used to happen in gnome before. Gnome System Monitor and top/htop in console show that the sum of all processes is below 99%... what's going on?
[23:43] <mnk> when you select an email which has external images, are you able to scroll properly?
[23:43] <mnk> cos mine just goes to the top every second
[23:43] <mnk> while it is loading the images one by one
[23:43] <mnk> VERY annoying
[23:44] <shiznebit> mrwes: good to hear
[23:44] <chipt4> is 9.04 going to be LTS?
[23:44] <shiznebit> mrwes: just remember most of the new feature will appear for the EXA method
[23:45] <shiznebit> chipt4: nope 10.04 will
[23:45] <chipt4> ah ok
[23:45] <Twigathy> erk, angry machine now. nvidia-glx-180 for the nv driver, correct?
[23:46] <the7thmagus1> hello? can anyone help me?
[23:46] <Halow> !ask | the7thmagus1
[23:46] <the7thmagus1> whenever I start a gnome session, my CPU usage shoots to 99%. computer is noticeably laggy. this doesn't happen in KDE and never used to happen in gnome before. Gnome System Monitor and top/htop in console show that the sum of all processes is below 99%... what's going on?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> chipt4: No.. 10.04 might
[23:47] <Halow> Twigathy: I think that is the Nvidia driver. NV is the open one, as far as I know, but I only just started using a Nvidia card a few weeks ago.
[23:49] <mrwes> hrmm
[23:51] <_akahige_> I don't know if I've found a bug, but this is sure weird, and I want to get some feedback to see if I should file anything... I'm running two versions of Firefox: 3.0.x installed from the repos, and 3.1b3 untarred and running local on my desktop. Until today, they've functioned identically (except for 3.1 being better). As of this morning, some Jaunty update caused the beta to no longer honor the desktop gtk theme, and there are n
[23:52] <BUGabundo> _akahige_: any reason for not running 3.5 from archive?
[23:53] <Twigathy> yay, got my nvidia driver working again
[23:53] <Twigathy> dual screens \o/
[23:54] <_akahige_> BUGabundo: nope. I've been running the beta under Intrepid, and only a week ago went Jaunty, so it never occurred to me to look for the beta
[23:55] <BUGabundo> _akahige_: you can get the daily ppa and also have 3.6
[23:55] <BUGabundo> that's what im using
[23:56] <lifi_> anyone know how to change the position from notify-osd?
[23:56] <_akahige_> BUGabundo: is that better than installing 3.5 from the repo?
[23:56] <Halow> lifi: Can't. =(
[23:58] <lifi_> damn it, is it also not possible to get it on e.g. the 2nd lcd?
[23:58] <Halow> lifi: Nope. =( I had that irritation as well.
[23:58] <lifi_> very lame
[23:58] <BUGabundo> lifi_: only way is to move the bar. OSD ballons will show next the clock applet
[23:58] <lifi_> ah yea, i did that
[23:58] <BUGabundo> _akahige_: hum it will be trunk
[23:59] <BUGabundo> lifi_: there's a bug for that
[23:59] <lifi_> i moved my bar from the left lcd to the right one, but osd still shows on the left lcd
[23:59] <lifi_> ah ok, thx
[23:59] <BUGabundo> lifi_ bug 336848