[00:00] topyli: I tried stuff like crunchbang and easy peasy, linux mint fluxbox and more, but on my Eee 1000, UNR has so far been far superior, most stuff really works, like attaching external screens/projectors and stuff [00:01] Stealthii: the xserver-xorg-core version is 1.6 ... [00:01] yes, but that's the version of xserver [00:02] Stealthii: Xorg 7.4 afaik, but not sure [00:02] on my, not latest revision, xserver-org is 1:7.4~5ubuntu18, whatever that means [00:03] 7.4 is what I expected, just confirming [00:03] there was a new fglrx released today, [00:04] I have a camcorder with a 1394 interface. What is the best way to import the video? [00:04] have others had problems with the hp mini 1000 sound not playing on the main speaker [00:05] but can play on the earbuds [00:06] hello , any body help me plz , there is mikrotik hotspot server on my network , and user name and password page dont open through ubuntu and it open's through windows ? [00:07] If I install jaunty, can modify sources.list and DOWNgrade to Intrepid or Hardy? Can I go from Jaunty all the way back to hardy in one apt-get update/ dist-upgrade or have I got to do Jaunty to Intrepid then Intrepid down to Hardy? [00:07] JorgeJorgesson: kino [00:07] IntuitiveNipple: thanks [00:08] spikyharold: no, there is no downgrade facility [00:08] spikyharold: Don't think you can downgrade like that. The versions you have are higher than hardy etc, so it won't show anything to upgrade [00:09] doesn't Debian offer such a feature? I'm sure I've gone sid to stable an back [00:09] any body help me plz [00:10] IntuitiveNipple: the nicks just get better! [00:11] can you not downgradeb Debian, even if its just one generation at a time? [00:11] spikyharold: the best way to do it is keep /home/* as a separate volume and have separate installs or use virtual machines [00:12] Or, would anyone know if I can download Dells 'belmont' Mini 12 customised Ubuntu from anywhere? [00:12] I don't want the non-free codecs [00:12] it can have them stripped [00:13] but I want to try it on the mini 10 [00:13] to get my psb gfx working :( [00:13] Jaunty seems to completely ignore power management settings [00:14] nipbuntu? [00:16] Anybody here been successfully in getting accelerated pouslbo gfx working under Ubuntu? [00:16] successful [00:17] I do feel cheated by intel on this one [00:17] hm, if I want to reset the gnome-panel back to default layout, without losing important stuff like my gnome-keyring, could I just move/remove a file/folder or something under .gnome2 (or something)? [00:18] I actually bought this damn thing because intel, up until pouslbo, normally had A1 open source support in xorg for all there chipsets [00:18] I get the following when trying to use my 1394 camcorder....raw1394 kernel module not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw1394! [00:19] JorgeJorgesson: sudo modprobe raw1394 [00:19] spikyharold: nothing back [00:20] thats correct [00:20] try your camera app again- is it kino? [00:20] yes kino [00:20] What else to try? [00:20] There are some other 1394 modules [00:20] I forget [00:21] -v to modprobe might reveal something [00:21] lib1394-8 installed [00:21] modprobe video1394 [00:22] modprobe ohci1394 [00:22] nothing back video.... [00:23] nothing back ohci [00:23] JorgeJorgesson: Have you tried running dvgrab from terminal? [00:24] spikyharold: no..... [00:24] also do a [00:24] modprobe ieee1394 [00:24] try capturing with [00:24] ieee...nothing [00:24] dvgrab capture.dv [00:26] JorgeJorgesson:Is your firewire card being found? Is it a pci or onboard or.. firewire [00:26] type lspci [00:26] Onboard [00:26] laptop [00:26] Worked fine with suse [00:27] Have you also done a [00:27] modprobe dv1394 [00:27] 03:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) [00:27] (sudo) [00:28] sudo modprobe dv1394 [00:28] nothing back [00:29] JorgeJorgesson: Have you tried turning off your camera, plugging it back in turned on and turned off after having loaded all those extra modules? [00:30] ok, never mind. Thanks for the try. I'll just go to another computer and use XP. It works [00:30] Thanks though! [00:30] np [00:30] It just does not work in Ubuntu. [00:30] Not a biggy. [00:30] hey guys, need some help. Just installed rc and my system is locking up every few minutes (4 times now) [00:31] hard lock, no mouse/cursor or anything [00:31] JorgeJorgesson: YOu're under Jaunty right? [00:31] spikyharold: yup [00:31] spikyharold: Have you tried it under intrepid? [00:31] Nope, one install [00:31] it's impossible to tell what happening since it hard locks, any advice? [00:31] I have another fallback machine with XP for most of my hardware that Ubuntu does not work with. [00:32] IT has my printers, scanners, digital cameras and now my video camera [00:32] JorgeJorgesson: You might have more luck with intrepid [00:32] spikyharold: can't stick with old stuff forever. [00:32] Anyways, gotta run. Thanks again [00:33] JorgeJorgesson: If you do get your camera working, kdenlive has just had a new release [00:33] and its getting good now [00:33] nah, I'll stick with xp [00:33] It works [00:33] :) [00:34] too much work to get hardware working under Ubuntu. [00:34] JorgeJorgesson: Stick with HP! [00:34] I agree. [00:34] HP stuff just works! [00:34] Everything HP, all scanners and printers just work under LInux with ONE driver!! [00:34] XP is nice, i just like to fight with my hardware [00:35] I really like that [00:35] Yup, same experience. [00:35] HP works [00:35] This is an HP (Compaq) laptop though. [00:35] spikyharold, that isn't true, hp has several models that don't. see hplip page for example [00:35] Ok, gotta run. [00:35] Later [00:35] but my hp laptop's wireless card doesnt work with linux *or* vista out of the box [00:36] Bye Jorge! [00:36] solorvox: Yeah but its near as dammit true [00:36] in hardy it took like three reboots to work [00:36] i'm not leaving :p [00:36] We've got HP gear of all ages at my work [00:37] I can get a 15 year old HP printer, plug it into Linux and it normally just works- all the HP stuff I've trid has worked, anyway [00:37] just my experience [00:37] much better than epson [00:38] i like my mac printer, but the ribbon broke and i had to buy a new one [00:38] hm, I removed .gconf/apps/panel and got a new panel upon login, but I don't see the system/software update applet/icon ... [00:38] (jaunty UNR, latest dist-upgrade) [00:39] Can someone help me with sound issues? My sound WAS working ok except that it would stop working after a while, from time to time. Now it is totally not working. Trying restarting, powering down, etc... no luck. [00:39] My sound works when I boot with Knoppix so I know the hardware is not hosed. [00:40] tried both alsa, pulse and oss? enabling/disabling channels in alsa-mixer or something like that? [00:40] loquitus_of_borg: Have you tried disabling pulseaudio? alsaconf? [00:41] spikyharold: I am not quite sure how to do either of those... can you please specify? [00:41] System -> Prefs -> Sound [00:41] Change everything there to your ALSA analog settings [00:41] flips01: how do I "try" alsa, pulse, oss? I mean, I tried selecting those devices in prefs-> sound and still it made no difference. [00:42] flips01: what do I enable and disable? [00:42] disable pulseaudio [00:42] by setting efverything to alsa [00:42] spikyharold: as in replace all the autodetects with alsa? [00:42] yes [00:43] spikyharold: there are two alsa's... one with the sound card prefixed, and then just alsa by itself [00:43] do you get any static sound from your speakers? [00:43] I get some when the system starts... a few clicks... and then nothing [00:44] loquitus_of_borg: right click the volume control in gnome-panel and choose "Open Volume Control" and choose device there ... enable/disable tracks under preferences there (track names might be wrong/confusing sometimes) ... and also choose devices under prefs->sound [00:44] (keep in mind this all used to work from time to time) [00:44] cwillu - hey man, hows things? update -- still getting freezes. i wish i never updated that intel-video driver ;) [00:44] something simmilar happened to me today and PCM was turned to mute in alsa... [00:44] what is the current solution to getting the intel driver to work well? [00:45] i wish i knew EruditeHermit. They have release numerous instances of them, at one time, it was working great and then another release came along and it started freezing again [00:46] flips01: not muted on there... [00:46] spikyharold: put it all on alsa. no diff [00:46] loquitus_of_borg: Did you not hea [00:46] hear anything when you pushed the test buttons [00:47] spikyharold: nothing. [00:48] loquitus_of_borg: Is firefox open? [00:49] closed it now. [00:49] loquitus_of_borg: you could boot knoppix and see which sound system (alsa/oss/pulse) is used and which kernel modules loaded (lsmod) [00:49] I've had the official adobe flash player cause sound probs [00:49] sometimes I need to kill FF [00:49] flips01: well the thing is that I am pretty sure the right drivers are loaded on here... because it was working before and it still shows the drivers loaded [00:50] loquitus_of_borg: You checked your speakers/ headphones and tried rebooting after changingto ALSA? [00:50] spikyharold: I should reboot after changing it all to alsa in sound preferences? [00:51] You shouldn't need to really no [00:51] but just in case theeres some rogue wee app you've not killed [00:51] spikyharold ah... [00:51] I don't think it would matter. [00:51] but I could tyr [00:51] try [00:57] yo yo yo [00:59] ActionParsnip returns! === spikyharold is now known as danboid [01:00] Anyone here going to the Jaunty launch party in Manchester (UK) this time next week? [01:01] Are there any kubuntu-devel in here ? [01:02] there are some problems on update-notifier script and [01:02] it makes QtCore crash [01:02] and it makes whole Kde4 crash [01:02] and only mouse can move but whole X freeze [01:02] Apr 18 01:45:49 mylaptop kernel: [ 2410.813309] kwrited[3718]: segfault at 48954f2d ip b6bd7dd9 sp bffe7844 error 4 in libc-2.9.so[b6b68000+15c000] [01:02] Apr 18 01:47:11 mylaptop kernel: [ 2494.860910] python[15808]: segfault at 1c ip b7ae9821 sp bfbc3820 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.5.0[b7984000+238000] [01:03] sevenhill: please dont flood [01:06] sevenhill: log a bug [01:17] loquitus_of_borg: interesting spelling [01:17] Haha [01:18] So folks... my sound card WAS working in Jaunty. Now it does not. I did not change anything. I rebooted to the Intrepid live CD, compiled and installed the Creative Labs driver for my sound card, and my card works fine there... (in OSS, not ALSA)... but in Jaunty... nothing [01:18] help! [01:18] how about locutus_of_boring [01:18] I prefer my mis-spelling [01:19] you didn't install the Intrepid one on Jaunty? [01:19] Skapare: I did. used to work on Jaunty. stopped working. no reason I can think of [01:19] maybe reinstall the old one back ... do over, but compile in Juanty? [01:20] Skapare: already tried that [01:20] if you just go back to the old driver, does it work again? [01:20] "I did not change anything" <-- doesn't seem to be true ... you did change the driver [01:20] Skapare: there is no old driver. Ubuntu does not have out-of-the-box support for my card. so I need to download the source for the driver from creative, compile, and install it. [01:21] sound overall stopped working. [01:21] so I rebooted to a cd [01:21] "my sound card WAS working in Jaunty" <--- THIS old driver [01:21] to see if the sound worked there. [01:21] Skapare: that's still what I am running now (same source). I rebuilt it 10 minutes ago just as a sanity check [01:23] loquitus_of_borg: so you installed Jaunty, then compiled the sound driver, it worked, you compiled it all over again, then it didn't work [01:24] and why did you compile it all over again without any changes if it worked the first time? [01:24] Skapare: almost. installed Jaunty, compiled sound, it worked... it stopped working, I rebooted to intrepid off a cd, compiled sound there, it worked, rebooted back to installed Jaunty, recompiled sound here, no working [01:25] so it worked for a while ... then stopped for no apparent reason ... you rebooted ... did it work for a while and stop again, or just not work at all? [01:26] Skapare: when it was working initially... it was still flaky... sometimes it would die, but rebooting would "fix" that. [01:26] so this morning when it stopped working, I thought a reboot would correct that. it did not. [01:26] sounds like a flaky sound card or a flaky driver ... does recompiling it again remove flakes? [01:26] Skapare: no. [01:27] question... how do i change the position of the new notifications in jaunty? [01:27] * Skapare thinks there ought to be some .deb for this maybe on launchpad.net or something [01:29] Praveen: you don't, they're not configurable :-( [01:30] that sucks [01:30] consider yourself notified [01:30] yes it does [01:31] I think all you can do is move your top gnome-panel, and they follow it from screen to screen [01:33] i also want to remove the crackle [01:33] lets say im watching a movie [01:33] maxb: I'm 99% sure that's the way it works [01:33] and i get a message via pidgin. i also get some crackle [01:43] does amarok work in 9.04? I can't get the sound to work. Banshee works just fine [01:44] prefers alsaplaer [01:44] I'm using alsa [01:45] alsaplayer gives me tight segues between tunes [01:45] Ok, so amarok does not work then? [01:46] haven't used amarok much....did more with audacious and rhythmbox [01:47] Ok, good enough [01:57] JorgeJorgesson: i tried amarok and the sound was not working same with rhythmbox, i had to use alsamixer to enable/disable and renable 958 D then it started to work. [02:00] will there be USB key / SD card images also (in addition to ISO) for Jaunty, or do people have to run an unverified binary program as root to make their own USB key / SD card image? [02:01] Skapare just use usb-creator [02:01] hi wirechief [02:02] Skapare System>Adminstration>USB startup creator [02:02] hi thiebaude [02:02] wirechief: my rhythbox plays fine [02:02] JorgeJorgesson yes mine too [02:02] my install of 9.04 wasn't successful ,wirechief [02:03] thiebaude: was a error found ? [02:03] wirechief: the same x freezing on the i815 [02:03] wirechief: but amarok will not. I like amarok because of its integration with shoutcast. No other player has that [02:03] thiebaude: man thats really bad. [02:04] songbird [02:04] np, i went back to 8.10, in the mean time i have ordered the 9.04 cd [02:04] JorgeJorgesson: something perhaps with this bug ive been chasing all day, it affects amarok too [02:04] maybe a fresh install will work [02:05] wirechief: instead of an upgrade [02:05] wirechief: so I have to first install intrepid so I can make a USB image? [02:05] thiebaude: also check the media on the first boot [02:05] and i found the launcher for the root terminal doesn't work....... [02:05] Skapare no [02:05] kewl, yea before i install it use the live cd [02:05] Skapare it works with 9.04 [02:05] dan457: songbird? [02:05] i love songbird [02:06] JorgeJorgesson, made by mozilla. not in repo, but you can find .deb's for it. [02:06] wirechief: OK, let me see if I understand this right ... in order to make a USB key to install Ubuntu, I have to be running Ubuntu [02:06] Skapare i found i had to add a bootcheat though at the grub line to prevent running into a intramfs busy box add rootdelay=90 [02:07] Skapare no [02:07] Skapare what distro are you using ? [02:07] JorgeJorgesson: if you want songbird there is a site getdeb that has a .deb for it [02:07] dan457: checking it out now [02:07] Skapare, no. In order to use the usb creator that ubuntu comes with, you need to be running ubuntu. There are instructions on how to do the process manually from windows though [02:07] thiebaude: the standard download won't work? [02:07] wirechief: various ... this wasn't what my question was about [02:08] JorgeJorgesson: thats where i get songbird [02:08] cwillu i had lots of questions for you on the bugfix for freeze [02:08] Skapare, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick has the relevant instructions [02:08] cwillu: not running Windows (I assume you mean the Redmond based closed-source so-called-OS) [02:08] JorgeJorgesson: it isn't in synaptic [02:08] Skapare, the instructions for any os [02:09] cwillu: the unetbootin way? [02:09] Skapare: unetbootin are available for windows & has packages for severl distros... [02:09] ok, not sure here.....I dont' install things outside the repos. I dont' think that is an option for me [02:09] ienorand: source? [02:09] ok [02:09] Skapare unetbootin or with usb-creator [02:09] loquitus_of_borg: please run `ubuntu-bug pulseaudio' [02:09] loquitus_of_borg: then tell me the bug # that is filed [02:09] wirechief: let's get back to my original question [02:10] wirechief: but from the sounds of it, I'm presuming the answer is "no" [02:10] Skapare: Untebootin: "Packages available: Ubuntu Debian openSUSE Gentoo" [02:10] Skapare, there are 4 different approaches that should work from any given linux distro, as well as the exact manual steps [02:11] cwillu: manual steps w/o unetbootin? [02:11] JorgeJorgesson: is pulseaudio being used? i assume it is because you mentioned rhythmbox. please check with `pgrep pulseaudio' [02:11] So, in 9.04, from the standard repos, shoutcast is out. Correct? Amarok does not work? [02:11] Skapare, yes, on the link I sent you, in the section "Manual Approach" [02:11] dtchen: no alsa [02:12] cwillu: OK ... just wanted to be sure ... too many people send me to unetbootin all the time [02:12] songbird works fine with shoutcast [02:12] dan457: not with 9.04 [02:12] dan457: yup [02:12] dan457: not with the repos [02:12] Skapare, next time, consider reading the page first. At least, read the table of contents at the top of the page that says this already [02:12] JorgeJorgesson: can you verify by running that pgrep command? [02:13] Skapare: sorry... [02:13] Not on repo's no, but works fine on all 4 boxes here [02:13] wirechief, yep? [02:13] JorgeJorgesson: *while using rhythmbox and the music is audible* [02:13] cwillu: I've been burned by that before ... I don't want to take the time to do what might be the same old dead end [02:13] cwillu i had a EE in my attempt at using the PPA from Bryce and have started basically all over [02:13] Skapare, then welcome to my ignore list :( [02:14] dtchen: 3576 is the response I get [02:14] JorgeJorgesson: then you *are* using pulseaudio [02:14] cwillu: I'm just suggesting to clarify ... making sure that "manual" isn't "how to run unetbootin manually" [02:14] wirechief, can you give me the usual pastebin of /var/log/Xorg.0.log from a failed session, and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? [02:14] dtchen: My volume control says alsa [02:15] JorgeJorgesson: that doesn't matter [02:15] JorgeJorgesson: that's just the mixer interface [02:15] !alsa [02:15] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [02:15] dtchen: ok, not sure how that helps me though. A little confused here [02:15] JorgeJorgesson: i'm walking you through troubleshooting [02:15] dtchen: ok, got you [02:16] cwillu: I can tell immediately looking at it, those manual steps won't work for my USB sticks [02:16] JorgeJorgesson: i presume rhythmbox is still audible? [02:16] dtchen: yup [02:16] cwillu: the reason is they are formatted ext2, not fat [02:16] JorgeJorgesson: please pastebin the output from: pactl stat|grep ^D [02:17] cwillu: maybe we go back to my original question, which was NOT "how can I make a USB key image" [02:17] wirechief, still there? [02:17] dtchen: no need to pastebin: [02:17] Default Sample Specification: s16le 2ch 44100Hz [02:17] Default Sink: alsa_output.pci_1002_4370_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0 [02:17] Default Source: alsa_input.pci_1002_4370_sound_card_0_alsa_capture_0 [02:18] cwillu i wish i had saved it, i made a picture of it though. would have to get it uploaded to someplace, i made a comment on the launchpad bug will see if i can find it. however too much has changed now. i was wondering if you could give me suggestions on my current though. [02:18] JorgeJorgesson: ok, good. please install the `pavucontrol' package. [02:18] cwillu i can paste what i currently have [02:18] I'm getting weird characters in odd places in the RC. Using 64-bit. http://i44.tinypic.com/23h4z78.png [02:19] JorgeJorgesson: afterward, open it (Applications> Sound & Video> PulseAudio Volume Control) and look at the Playback tab while amarok is playing [02:19] wirechief, sure. Include uname -a as well [02:20] neat, a recently released bios update fixed the acer aspireone atheros wifi problems, it's automagic now, no farting around with blacklists [02:20] cwillu http://pastebin.com/f61514ca3 [02:20] thanks [02:20] cwillu: I'll assume the answer to my _original_ question is "no" ... so then my next question in that case is, where to contribute another method that isn't as complicated? [02:20] dtchen: working...................... [02:20] cwilli Linux wirechief-laptop 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [02:21] wirechief, give me xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log too [02:21] cwillu ok [02:21] is there a log that can be tail'ed that shows what files have copied so far in a nautilus directory copy? [02:21] wirechief, are you trying to back things out?, or what's your goal right now? === Brucidus is now known as Barridus [02:22] JorgeJorgesson: tell me if amarok appears in the playback tab [02:22] dtchen: nothing appears [02:22] cwillu i would of liked to of gotten all the patches in. but running into depends issues and i get really confused. [02:23] cwillu xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/f30e4c083 [02:23] looks familiar [02:24] cwillu Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/f1fb0ffbd [02:24] thiebaude, you're back! I take it things didn't work out? [02:24] wirechief, is https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test what you were using? [02:24] cwillu: no not this time, but im using 8.10 and i ordered the 9.04 cd [02:24] JorgeJorgesson: ok, what's the output from `sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*' ? [02:25] i think a fresh install will most likely work [02:25] instead of an upgrade [02:25] cwillu: but im tempted,:) [02:25] dtchen: http://www.pastebin.ca/1395474 === mogul218 is now known as mogul218- [02:26] thiebaude, well, upgrades should work. re: your video trouble, you just kinda walked into a perfect storm that we're having :p [02:26] cwillu i saw that link and users trying it but i wanted to have all the PPA's from Bryce installed, unless what i have currently is enough. i think i am missing drm [02:26] JorgeJorgesson: it doesn't look like amarok's trying to play any music files, however. [02:26] i have been using ubuntu since 6.06 and never seen it so bad with a RC [02:26] wirechief, that ppa is the summation of fixes he's found. Generally, you don't want to mix ppa's like that [02:26] JorgeJorgesson: can you try playing some music file and re-pastebin the previous fuser command? [02:26] dtchen: that would make sense, as I hear none [02:27] Skapare: Sorry, what was your original question? Ubuntu not supplying a usb creator for initial install? Since untbn exists I don't know if there is any need...? [02:27] wirechief, pastebin me your /etc/apt/sources.list, I'll see if I can give you a replacement that'll work [02:27] dtchen: I have no music files [02:27] cwillu ok , right, i would have apples and oranges [02:27] ienorand: hold on, phone call [02:28] JorgeJorgesson: you should have quite a few ogg vorbis and wave files [02:28] cwillu hopefully i didnt screw that up too, i # out all the stuff except for Bryces in one of my attempts so one of them might be not correct. [02:28] JorgeJorgesson: try /usr/share/example-content/Ubuntu_Free_Culture_Showcase/Invocation.ogg , for instance [02:28] cwillu ok [02:28] wirechief, well, you'd have a glass eye with eye surgery and a bionic implant, which would all be getting in each others way :p [02:29] * wirechief hahaha [02:29] :) [02:29] cwillu sources.list http://pastebin.com/f534ca206 [02:30] wirechief, okay, give me a minute [02:30] cwillu sure [02:33] cwillu at one point i had all but one bug fixed mesa7.4 installed and then i noticed that stupid /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so not being found [02:33] dtchen: http://www.pastebin.ca/1395477 [02:33] wirechief, okay, if you had the -dbg debs installed, those dependendcies will probably break, as they don't exist for some of the ppa packages [02:34] cwillu yep thats what happend [02:35] wirechief, it's not a big deal though, just use aptitude, and let it figure out a good solution (basically, say no to a solution if it doesn't end up with the packages you actually want) [02:35] cwillu i did have those -dbg debs installed. (cruel trick for beginners) [02:35] :) [02:35] wirechief, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test has instructions for this repository [02:35] cwillu wil aptitude just install the bugfixed .debs then ? [02:36] wirechief, basically [02:36] * wirechief WHEW [02:36] wirechief, you can tell aptitude that you really really want a particular version [02:36] JorgeJorgesson: have you configured phonon to fall back to pulseaudio? [02:36] JorgeJorgesson: it should do so automatically if you've installed kubuntu-desktop alongside ubuntu-desktop [02:36] dtchen: ?????? [02:36] wirechief, you'll _need_ to be running 2.6.30rc2 out of the mainline repository (that's included on that link) [02:36] I'm getting weird characters in odd places in the RC. Using 64-bit. http://i44.tinypic.com/23h4z78.png [02:37] wirechief, but then we'll be able to get useful debugging info if/when things crash [02:37] wirechief, you have another machine you can ssh from? [02:37] cwillu yes [02:37] wirechief, and ssh installed on this one? [02:37] JorgeJorgesson: do you have Kubuntu installed alongside Ubuntu? [02:37] (or whichever one is the intel) [02:37] Skapare: Well, I'm off for bed, but the point I was coming to is that source for unetbootin seem to be here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gezakovacs/unetbootin/devel-new/files and in my opinion unetbootin should probably be advertised on the downloads section for all other-than-ubuntu users as the easiest way to get a liveusb...Sorry if I didn't understand you [02:37] dtchen: is there nothing else that integrates well with shoutcast? That is native to Gnome? [02:38] dtchen: no I do not [02:38] cwillu yes it worked before for me when i was freezing and i got the logs from the reg before and after test [02:38] oh, goodf [02:38] JorgeJorgesson: when you use shoutcast you have options of which media player to use [02:39] thiebaude: I use a media player to integrate with shoutcast. Not the other way around [02:39] cwillu i have the intel reg tester on this machine and did before and after on the regs , the after with the ssh in machine [02:40] JorgeJorgesson: i use songbird, which works great with shoutcast [02:40] thiebaude: I understand. But that is not a part of the repos. [02:40] cwillu so what do i need to do to prepare for this test of https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test [02:41] wirechief, sounds like you already did it [02:42] cwillu ok just follow the instructions on that link then. [02:42] dtchen: I assume the only way to run amarok is to install the full blown kubuntu as well? [02:42] wirechief, might want to enabled -proposed if you haven't already, that's where the bug fixes are going to be showing up [02:42] JorgeJorgesson: when you use shoutcast it opens its own media player [02:43] wirechief, at least until they've been tested to work and can be released in an sru [02:43] ienorand: OK, if you are still around, my original question was if a USB key (or SD card) image was going to be made available for download (ultimately ISOs will some day become obsolete, IMHO) [02:43] thiebaude: sorry I've never tried directly through my browser. [02:43] I've done dist-upgrade at the minute... and I loose network-manager. (I use xubuntu) [02:43] cwillu ok , this sru does that show up when you dist-upgrade at some point in time ? [02:44] JorgeJorgesson: check it out its cool, go to the shoutcast website if you want to [02:44] and the quality is very good [02:44] how to start network-manager by hand? [02:44] thiebaude: it does work....indeed! [02:45] JorgeJorgesson: no, you just need to configure phonon/its backend to use pulseaudio [02:45] JorgeJorgesson: that feature is new, i use to could open it in any media player i wanted [02:45] wirechief, sru = stable release update: basically any update that shows up in the normal repositories in a released version of ubuntu [02:45] Skapare: hmm iso [02:46] Skapare: hmm iso's will become obsolete once usb keys are essentially free :) [02:46] Skapare: since cd's already are [02:46] cwillu ok great [02:46] wirechief, the -proposed repositories is where those get tested immediately before they're released to the world [02:46] JorgeJorgesson: is this a clean install of jaunty or a dist-upgrade? Do you have an ~/.asoundrc ? [02:46] JorgeJorgesson: have you tried, pandora? [02:46] true calc, i hate throwing away all those cd's/dvd's i dont use anymore :) [02:46] dtchen: dist-upgrade [02:46] cwillu ah ok, well thats good to know. [02:47] cwillu i have a backup of my sources.list so not worried about mucking it up to much. [02:47] dtchen: no.asoundrc [02:47] wirechief, okay, then the aptitude install package=version trick is probably all you need to know [02:47] wirechief, aside from, you know, which version to put in there :p [02:48] thiebaude: no, no pandora....a repo program? [02:48] the bar hasn't moved in a long time in this gnome directory copy. granted it's big with lots of files, but i'm worried something is wrong. is there some way to see what is happening if anything? cpu use is high [02:48] cwillu i have most of the current updates and can proceed to "GO" and collect $200 [02:48] how to start network-manager by hand? [02:48] like a file log to tail? [02:48] * cwillu watches wirechief land on baltic, and charges wirechief $350 for the privilege [02:49] grahh! I want to play games but I don't want to lose ext4 =[ [02:49] cwillu thanks for the information and upgrading my knowledge [02:49] thiebaude: does the toolbar work in ubuntu? [02:49] nebbes, eh? [02:50] cwillu: can't play games on ubuntu =[ its really slow [02:50] nebbes, intel? [02:50] nebbes, what does that have to do with ext4 [02:50] cwillu: yes, q6600 and a 8800gt [02:50] oh, nvidia [02:50] Barridus: I don't want to lose ext4 by switching to windows [02:51] nebbes, oh i get you now. [02:52] so there's no way to -tail some log or something to see if this gnome copy is doing anything or where it is? the gui window is vague XD [02:52] Barridus, from where to where? [02:53] cwillu, from a windows box to my desktop. it's a copy i made of my /home last week. i was gonna copy it to desktop with gnome, then sudo cp it back to home [02:53] Barridus, "watch df /mount/point/you\'re/copying/too" and watch for a number that's increasing :p [02:54] Barridus, rsync would give you more info, and handle interruptions a little better, but if you're copying from an smb share, I don't know that it'll help [02:55] yeah i don't know how to do smb file ops via command [02:55] I think I got disconnected there [02:55] Barridus, oh, wait [02:56] aha! [02:56] Barridus, are you copying over your home directory while you're logged in? [02:56] i think i have my old fstab backed up [02:56] i could retrieve the fstab setting for that share [02:56] oh no, nevermind, i can't [02:56] thiebaude: pandora is a gimp add on [02:56] cwillu, i was going to reboot as livecd to do the actual final copy [02:57] Barridus, okay [02:57] yeah i figured that would be bad XD [02:57] Barridus, gnome mounts will show up in ~/.gvfs/ [02:57] dtchen: you give up? [02:57] Barridus, which means you can rsync from that folder directly, after you've opened the mount point in gnome [02:58] Barridus, however, the permissions on the files will probably be screwed up, so you'll need to change ownership and reset the permissions as appropriate [02:59] Barridus, another time, making a big tar ball with sudo tar ... will create a single file that will preserve permissions and ownership information [02:59] JorgeJorgesson: no, i'm in the middle of apt-hunting [03:00] cwillu, ~/.gvfs/ is empty [03:00] dtchen: thanks...! [03:00] and that share is mounted, i'm browsing it [03:00] wait, i think it broke [03:01] dtchen: I don't want to have to go back to XP, but everything is pulling me that way! [03:01] JorgeJorgesson: does amarok's configuration/settings panel allow you to choose the sound device? [03:01] hi, can I find svg version of the abstract background image Flow.png? [03:02] Barridus, hmm. Maybe you need to install gvfs-fuse first, but I thought that was included by default now [03:02] dtchen: nope [03:02] dtchen: and it worked with the local file. [03:02] dtchen: I think it is an error with the app in an internet stream [03:03] cwillu, i have gvfs-fuse installed [03:04] dtchen: not a problem, really. Thanks for knocking yourself out. Really, I have an XP machine where my printers, scanners, webcam, camcorder and now radio player works [03:05] JorgeJorgesson: ok, so local files do work? === pace_t_zulu_ is now known as pace_t_zulu [03:05] dtchen: yes, I thought I said so. The file you asked me to play. I posted the pastebin [03:07] dtchen: really, I feel guilty here. Carry on with someone that has a solvable problem. I have an XP installation that works. No issue [03:08] JorgeJorgesson: ok, np. i just needed to eliminate alsa and pulseaudio as problem points (since i maintain them). [03:08] dtchen: hey, you tried. [03:08] it didn't work. [03:08] well, it appears they aren't if local file(s) work [03:08] amarok does not work on a Compaq R4000 [03:09] I understand the frustration of new Linux users [03:09] I have an old compaq r4000 and still it does not work with the latest and greatest, most popular release of Linux [03:10] I understand [03:10] XP works [03:10] With all my stuff [03:10] And everything I throw at it [03:10] Just an insight. [03:10] Linux might be a good text based server. [03:11] Something that is not touched for a year [03:11] cuz of one computer? [03:11] And a HPa1211n [03:11] Toshiba a10 [03:12] i've installed ubuntu on a bunch of stuff, of varying age [03:12] JorgeJorgesson: there's likely a way to make it work. if you have access to a release party or installfest, you can try that. [03:12] JorgeJorgesson: modern driver development tends to focus on modern computers ... sure, it would be nice if old computers could be made to work better [03:12] There are three [03:13] and i have 4 pc's of various age running it right now here at home, plus two at work [03:13] Barridus: fantastic...I wish I were as lucky.... [03:13] the issue is that drivers are provided for nvidia by nvidia [03:13] Broadcom issues, ATI issues [03:13] 1394 issues [03:13] Amarok issues [03:13] if they choose not to care about getting an old compaq, or a particular hp, able to run linux then it's not linux's [03:13] It goes on and on [03:13] JorgeJorgesson: corporate manufacturer lawyer issues [03:14] linux's fault * [03:14] ? [03:14] JorgeJorgesson: I can assure you Linux would work better on those machines if they opened their hardware specs and/or their driver source code [03:15] yeah [03:15] I'm sorry, you wanted users to change to linux? Not understanding here. [03:15] if not, you gotta rely on them to deliver the goods [03:15] Barridus, gvfs-fuse installed, okay, then if .gvfs is empty then nothing is currently mounted [03:15] Barridus, sorry, I have to run :/ [03:16] no it is now cwillu, i think i'm going again. thanks a ton have a good night (?) [03:16] by "going" i mean "copying" ;) [03:16] But in order to switch you want me to go back to the manufacturers and strong arm them to re-engineer their software drivers to a minority operating system? [03:16] Did I understand this? [03:16] no [03:16] they'll eventually do it on their own [03:16] linux is in a big upswing [03:17] Ok, I must be missing something here, sorry. [03:17] intel already did [03:17] their gpu is open source [03:17] is there an easy way to enable or disable encrypted home directories after creating an account? [03:17] Well, you guys tried to help me out and i thank you. [03:17] i think you are missing something JorgeJorgesson [03:18] It just is not working for my machines [03:18] i'm not sure what it is, i think perhaps you're just "seeing" what you want to see here [03:18] prolly due to frustration [03:18] Barridus: I see my machines with a non-functioning o/s [03:18] JorgeJorgesson: not exactly want you to do that ... just saying that support between certain hardware and open source software tends to be weaker because the hardware manufacturers make choices that cause that [03:19] JorgeJorgesson, what happens exactly? they can't all fail the same on completely different hardware [03:19] shapare: no problem at all. [03:19] JorgeJorgesson: I have old old machines here that work fine on Linux ... they aren't made by the hardware manufacturers that tend to be problematic ... I made the machines and when I did, I carefully selected parts known to not have these issues [03:20] Barridus: I said....one is for sound, one is for video, one is for printer. [03:20] JorgeJorgesson: the biggest problems come from the biggest corporations that have to go through so many corporate lawyers to make decisions [03:20] Barridus: I don't mean to stir the pot here, I'm sorry. Just frustrated. [03:20] sound could be a pulseaudio issue [03:21] pulseaudio is "flaky" on some soundcards, the alternative is to use alsa which is more reliable [03:21] Barridus: on one machine. then there is the scanner, printer, barcode scanner. [03:21] And so on [03:21] I've had no troble at all with this old repackaged emachines [03:21] video only when proprietary drivers are loaded? [03:21] JorgeJorgesson: these corporations, for example, actually do LESS development themselves, and end up "buying" the development from outside, licensing other company's intellectual property ... making releasing stuff all that much more complicated [03:22] you *never* had video output on it once ubuntu was loaded? [03:22] Barridus: meaning "alsa-only", correct? because pulseaudio uses alsa. [03:22] dtchen, yes that's what i meant, thank you [03:22] JorgeJorgesson: to the extent that _we_ can choose NON-emcumbered hardware, the more we can make sure Linux works in a larger number of future machines [03:22] how was that disabled again dtchen? [03:23] I'm sorry guys....I've switch all my 5 machines over to Linux but there is always something that does not work on each one. I'm only one guy and making excuses for each one is tiring. [03:23] JorgeJorgesson: video, audio, wireless, tend to be the more problematic area [03:23] well not much more to say that won't sound token [03:24] shapare: those are the only things that computers work on [03:24] plus he's trying to get barcode scanners and such going [03:24] JorgeJorgesson: hard drives, USB controllers, tend to be less problematic [03:25] oh jorge heh [03:25] Barridus: disable autospawn in /etc/pulse/client.conf and touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart [03:25] JorgeJorgesson: the 2 latest machines I built, everything works on [03:25] shapare: thank god, as video audio and wireless could work without those! (kidding) [03:25] Well, I don't know here. I tried. [03:25] i have an acer aspireone netbook, the wifi was always a pain to get going. every bug report and such blamed linux. i did the new bios update on the machine today and it's now instantly automagic :) [03:26] JorgeJorgesson: if you build your own computer, you can pick and choose parts that are known to work better [03:26] so sometimes linux is just a scapegoat when it's the manufacturer of the hardware's fault [03:26] I have 5 HP machine....what shoudl I do [03:27] Barridus: so they finally fixed the ACPI? [03:27] And you cannot blame a manufacturer that makes their machines work with 90% of the software out there [03:27] thanks again, dtchen. i'll write that down [03:27] Skapare, it was the acer_wmi issue [03:27] Linux wants to gain market share, correct? The best way is not to sit and wait for hardware guys to conform. [03:27] Plain and simple [03:27] that wifi kill switch, it would report to linux the wifi was "killed" regardless if it was or not [03:27] Barridus: OK ... don't have an AAO so I don't know it [03:27] yeah [03:28] Barridus: I'm looking at getting an EEE in the next couple weeks [03:28] wifi lights would be be blinking, it would find access points... but then fail to connect cuz it thought it was "off" [03:28] Linux needs to make releases/distos to conform to hardware platforms. Not the reverse [03:28] cool, hope you've had the same great luck with it as i have with this acer. netbook's are grand [03:29] JorgeJorgesson: doable for hardware platforms that are openly documented [03:29] Go nuts [03:29] is it the EEE with nvidia? i thought i read something problematic in here the other day [03:29] JorgeJorgesson: but I'd argue hardware interfaces need to be more standardized ... not make a new one for every new hardware design [03:29] JorgeJorgesson, Linux needs to make? [03:29] who's "Linux" [03:30] linux torvalds! [03:30] shapare: You mean Apple? [03:30] i think you don't quite understand what linux is [03:30] Skapare: You mean Apple? [03:30] Barridus: don't know ... I know the ubuntu-eee/easypeasy derivative works on it ... and supposedly jaunty-unr will [03:30] Skapare, ah great, you'll love it then :D [03:31] JorgeJorgesson: no, I means adopt standards for how the drivers access the hardware, and stick to it [03:31] i didn't care for UNR personally, Skapare. i might give it a go again later on. [03:31] Barridus: I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't understand and I don't think I am the typical user. [03:32] Barridus: I am a desktop productivity user [03:32] Barridus: I found too many glitches in the UNR netbook-launcher ... I'll go with plain ubuntu and customize it a bit [03:32] Barridus: I want to do my work and with others [03:32] Barridus: but have EP and UNR handy to "steal" their solutions if I have issues [03:32] Skapare, yeah exactly. there's a lot of nice tips out there to get something superfunctional [03:33] like set the DPI of gnome fonts and menus down to 96, etc [03:33] Barridus: and with respect to the "boot USB key" issues I raised earlier, I have my own solution to that ... I was just curious if I have to do it for Jaunty, too (answer: yes I do) [03:33] have you used unetbootin? [03:33] Barridus: I tried to ... quite a mess it made [03:34] hmmm. [03:34] Barridus: I took a very different approach which worked fine [03:34] i think there were other methods [03:34] oh you got one? cool [03:34] Barridus: I created grub based "booter" images ... you just concatenate them in front of the ISO file ... that makes the bootable image for USB key [03:35] JorgeJorgesson, yeah i'm sorry you've had crap luck. but i think you've heard the buzzwords "open source", "cloud computing", and others more and more lately [03:35] Barridus: http://slashusr.net/ubuntu/ <-- available for Intrepid right now ... I'll work on Juanty ones this weekend [03:36] Barridus: and I need to write documentation ... but the simple directions: cat ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.boot ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso > /dev/usbkey [03:36] Skapare, ah neat! [03:36] Barridus: the tarball in that directory is the script that builds the .boot files [03:37] Barridus: to build the .boot files it has to have the .iso file to extract kernel and initrd and calculate sizes [03:38] interesting, wish i had a spare usb key atm [03:38] Barridus: if you want to have BOTH an image for CD and an image for USB key, my way only need to download the ISO and a 10MB boot prefix [03:38] Barridus: no, not really. Just in a threatening way. Nothing constructive. What MS did to be successful was find a way to make the O/S work on a platform basis. Until Linux does this en masse, nothing will happen. You will just leave frustrated people behind. [03:38] Barridus: so its as effective as using unetbootin in saving download bandwidth [03:39] JorgeJorgesson: Microsoft did it by telling the manufacturers to do it and send them the drivers [03:39] Skapare: So what....they did it. [03:40] JorgeJorgesson: I agree with you partially, over the years I've had different issues with different distros and various pieces of hardware, but 9.04 works well for me [03:40] JorgeJorgesson: it comes down to: manufacturers must make drivers for the OSes they want, or be left behind [03:40] JorgeJorgesson: Lets be fair, what Microsoft really did was provide an OS to computer retailers for a fraction of the price of competitors and then use it for vendor lockin [03:40] I believe that part of the issue is hardware manufacturers being unwilling to release documentation or make linux drivers [03:40] JorgeJorgesson: Microsoft being the "monopoly" could strong arm anyone [03:40] That's why MS was successful [03:40] there's only so much time you can put into reverse engineering [03:40] Venko: exactly ... Microsoft is very innovative ... in business process [03:41] Venko: I don't understand what you are saying [03:41] ok guys, can anyone tell me how stable the encrypted home directory stuff is? I was getting lock-ups (hard) every few seconds, so I re-formatted to from ext4 to ext3. Just got another one with a kernel opps. [03:41] and the downside of that paradigm, is that MS doesn't have to care. bow to them, or stuff it. and that includes accepting all the security problems, cuz they don't have to really care about that either until they lose a market slice with bad press [03:41] JorgeJorgesson: You said Microsoft was successful because they made the OS work on a platform basis [03:42] I checked and someone already filed a bug for the kernel oops, but no one has replied yet. [03:42] I was saying they were very successful because they provided their OS at a loss to secure vendor lock-in [03:42] is anyone else using the encrypted home directory feature of 9.04? [03:42] Venko, you don't make billions by providing an o/s at a loss [03:42] JorgeJorgesson: the linux share is growing ... just slowly ... the problem is, many people who are frustrated with microsoft leap into linux without knowing these limitations and issues, and get turned off of linux because their particular hardware has issues [03:43] i think i am, but not sure if i did pick that or not [03:43] Skapare: provide linux on a platform basis and all will be well [03:43] JorgeJorgesson, you make billions by being a company [03:43] Skapare: who cares about bullshit releases [03:43] which is something Linux isn't? [03:43] JorgeJorgesson: Sure you do [03:43] Skapare: I want it to work on my hardware [03:43] then make it work [03:44] JorgeJorgesson: You make it the standard and required for businesses [03:44] Then you start charging ridiculous amounts [03:44] JorgeJorgesson: there is still the driver issue ... your manufacturer chose to lock you into windows and leave you hanging on linux [03:44] I don't understand the fight in Linux. Make it work on my hardware. A popular platform. [03:44] who make it work? [03:44] Understand your market [03:44] who are you asking to make it work? [03:45] Ok, never mind [03:45] You also use your vendor lock-in to stop competition from emerging by threatening PC vendors to remove their Windows distribution license if they bundle competing software on Windows machines [03:45] You don't get it. [03:45] JorgeJorgesson: Microsoft handles drivers very much like Linux developers do: common interfaces they make the drivers ... wierd proprietary interfaces they expect the manufacturer to do so [03:45] actually i do get it [03:45] Then you also charge more to them for Windows if they sell multiple OS options for computers [03:45] that's why i'm here [03:45] I dont' care about drivers [03:45] Or hardware suppliers [03:45] JorgeJorgesson: you need to ... that's where the problem lies [03:45] I bought a laptop [03:45] I want it to work [03:46] My car's at the body shop [03:46] I want it to be repaired already [03:46] (not a joke :p) [03:46] Right, you do [03:46] JorgeJorgesson: and you think microsoft made it work for windows? [03:46] Do I care if ford made the radio? [03:46] JorgeJorgesson: microsoft did NOT ... the manufacturer did ... Microsoft has the clout to force the manufacturer to do the work [03:47] obviously not, cuz then you'd be clear on who makes what for what [03:47] Furthermore the manufacturers often do a poor job [03:47] JorgeJorgesson: if Ford sold you a radio that wouldn't get stations in your area that you wanted, you'd consider a different car. So too should you consider the laptop that runs the OS you want. [03:47] Microsoft started small, and now they're in a very good position where a manufacturer will have to make their hardware work on Windows, or no-one will buy it [03:47] you're just pointing the finger at an invisible antagonist for your worries [03:47] A lot of FOSS gnu/linux drivers are better than their Windows counterparts [03:47] JorgeJorgesson: on the Linux side ... Linux developers are very willing to do ALL the driver development FOR the manufacturers ... once they have the documentation for the hardware [03:47] rm: exactly [03:48] it takes money to release documentation [03:48] you guys are way off topic [03:48] gonna afk for a bit until "ZOMG OS WARZ" cools off here. [03:48] amd had to hire people specifically to go thru the documentation they have and then release it [03:48] Ok, I'm fighting a losing battle here. I'm sorry, I gave it a shot on my machines. It did not work, but you guys tried and I thank you. [03:49] bjsnider: they can release the same doc that the "drivers for windows" developers used, and put it on torrent for the bandwidth [03:49] obviosly it isn't that simple [03:49] JorgeJorgesson: sorry to hear we are unable to make a driver for your hardware [03:49] is there a way to turn off the home dir encryption without reinstall? [03:50] JorgeJorgesson: if you ever get into the business of making computer hardware, send us the hardware specs so we can make drivers for that [03:50] heh, I was wondering about that a few minutes ago solorvox [03:50] Skapare: no worries, I still have the xp discs. I can get them working [03:50] you can just make a new account [03:50] rm```: are you using it? [03:50] no [03:50] what was jorgesson's problem? [03:51] oh, I've got lockups and kernel oops, trying to find the source. went from ext4 to 3, now have to try that [03:51] the --encrypt-home option for adduser will create a user account with an encrypted home directory [03:51] JorgeJorgesson: you can also go buy hardware that "just works" when you are ready to buy more, at www.system76.com and other places like it [03:51] ah, ok, I will try that [03:51] brb [03:51] so you could try making a new account without that option, to avoid it messing up [03:51] JorgeJorgesson: or do like I do and buy boards from Linux friendly companies and build your own [03:51] maybe I can get lucky and copy my existing data out first. :p [03:51] Skapare: I already have these. Might as well use them [03:52] but there is probably a simpler way to decrypt everything [03:52] JorgeJorgesson: yes, you might as well ... Vista? no, XP [03:52] Skapare: xp [03:52] Skapare: for sure [03:52] vista's better than xp [03:52] JorgeJorgesson: I still use XP for where I need to use Windows [03:52] rm```: if you find it, let me know... going to be doing it the hard way in the mean time [03:52] Skapare: see, you still need to use..... [03:53] vista is nice, in my opinion (please don't hurt me) [03:53] bjsnider: for bigger machines (and my new desktop is plenty), yes it is [03:53] but the reason I use gnu/linux is for the software freedom, that is very important to me [03:53] rm```: Vista is not as bad as everyone would lead you to believe. [03:53] seriously guys, take this OS crap to another channel, it's not only off topic but is source of endless flames [03:53] Not as good either! [03:54] rm```, so for you, it is about ideology [03:54] JorgeJorgesson: very occasionally use Windows ... because I am used to the look and feel of Visio ... and need to test web sites in Explorer [03:54] Actually, solorvox is right. [03:54] JorgeJorgesson: one machine with a plug-in drive to switch to Windows [03:54] bjsnider: partially it is, but I like using Linux anyway and I used it long before I cared about free software [03:54] me too [03:55] JorgeJorgesson: I also have 2 Solaris boxes :) [03:55] DRM makes me ballmer-rage :( [03:55] windows and linux both have major weaknesses though, but different ones [03:55] * Skapare hands rm a chair [03:56] guys, really, solorox was right. Not on topic [03:56] * rm``` throws the chair at microsoft/securom/[insert villain here] and shouts a lot [03:57] will never go back to Windows.... [03:57] * Skapare hands rm a barcalounger [04:04] hey guys...big update just now...anything to be aware of before I reboot? :) [04:04] beware your next-of-kin. and the black guardian. [04:05] :) [04:05] ok so no real issues then? [04:05] not that i've experienced. [04:05] ok thanks :) [04:08] and don't eat yellow snow. [04:08] alright, back. i tried to mount my encrypted /home in the live cd to copy my backup files back. it won't let me access it from livecd. what can i do? just cp -ax it all back while running off the installed os? or perhaps after terminating xorg first? [04:09] or gdm rather [04:09] is your intention to not use encrypted /home anymore? [04:09] oh i want it encrypted still, i'm just restoring from backup since the install is new [04:12] Barridus: raw sector backup or a tarball? [04:12] i just copyed over the tree with owner/permission [04:12] rsync'ed over, rather [04:13] Barridus: to another hard drive I take it [04:13] yeah on a windows box across the network [04:13] the files are all back on my ubuntu Desktop [04:13] so you need to get the Live CD to understand how to mount it encrypted, or else do this later once the system is installed [04:13] i was gonna do the final copy to their home [04:14] oh man, really? [04:14] * Skapare needs to look into doing an encrypted disk, partition, or filesystem, some day [04:14] well maybe i'll skip it then [04:15] whenever I install new systems, I always install fresh, then repopulate /home afterwards [04:15] the docs and such can be moved in now, it's the settings i'll lose, but whatever [04:15] yeah that's what i did here, Skapare. didn't occur to myself i shot myself in the foot with encryption though XD [04:15] * Skapare makes notes about his settings as he does them, then re-installs to make the notes are correct [04:16] make sure [04:17] you did the rsync when the fs was mounted, so it appeared clear ... so your backup files are not encrypted [04:17] so when you re-install, just re-enabled the encryption ... doesn't even have to be the same key (but of course you need to remember the new one if you change it) [04:17] then rsync back [04:20] hmm, where is encryption? [04:22] how would i encrypt or unencrypt the home folder? [04:22] alright - just got Jaunty up and running on my MacBookPro 4,1 - followed the instructions per the ubuntu help wiki... and now my keyboard doesn't work... [04:22] any one have any ideas? [04:23] worked before i followed the wiki instructions [04:23] wiki for jaunty ? [04:24] well... whatever this is... its maybe not a wiki [04:24] but yea [04:24] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro4-1/Jaunty [04:24] Skapare, how do you keep your encrypted /home on the alternate cd when reinstalling ? you just need the key that was generated ? [04:25] anyone? don't everyone try to help all at once... the writing gets too hard to follow [04:26] dinkus did you update jaunty and how did you install ? [04:26] i installed from a live cd. [04:26] i followed the instructions verbatim [04:26] dinkus: not sure if you're being humourous or taking a stab at us, but we're not getting paid to type instant responses. :) [04:26] my instinct is to reconfigure x. that will require that you log in with a different (USB) keyboard temporarily, most likely. [04:27] everything worked yesterday fine... then i saved the files as per the instructions and after reboot noting. [04:27] I have my 5.1 macbook pro running jaunty ok [04:27] yea... i can get to the system by booting through a live cd and then editing something... i just dont know where to go to look. [04:27] reconfiguring X with the actual system running will be easier. do you have or can you borrow a USB keyboard? [04:27] on that wiki... could have been this issue: sudo gedit /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi - ? [04:27] photojim - i dont [04:28] dinkus: no desktop in your household? [04:28] what CD did you use for install ? [04:28] photojim - nope... [04:28] RC candidate [04:28] desktop edition [04:28] so keyboard is dead ? [04:29] its got to be something to do with that wiki because it worked before I made the changes... is there anything in the wiki you could see that i could have done to kill it? [04:29] volkodav - yup. doesn't see it at all [04:30] touchpad works ? [04:30] yea.. no problems there [04:30] the new changes (e.g. left click etc...) all work great now... just the keyboard dissappeared [04:30] i had some other problems with the wiki that i managed to get around... but not everything worked as per it said it should. [04:31] so maybe something just dead [04:31] did that happened after update or just after install ? [04:31] install worked fine === _NeoBlaster is now known as NeoBlaster [04:31] after the update [04:31] did you do a soft reboot or a hard reboot? [04:31] i installed... then rebooted... then fixed the wifi - rebooted... then made trackpad and keyboard changes... then dead (trackpad works tho) [04:31] if soft, you might try a hard [04:31] blacklist usbhid - this have anything to do with it? [04:32] photojim - i can try that... i'm booted into my OSX right now... so i'll see if anything else comes up... then try [04:32] dinkus: worth a try. I don't think it will work, but there is a chance it will if it's a weird hardware configuration issue. [04:32] what did blacklisting the USBHID do? [04:32] that wasn't the issue was it? [04:33] I suggest you wait a week for a release and try the latest updates [04:33] dinkus: it prevents your system from using that driver. hid is for human interface devices like mice and keyboards via USB. [04:33] volkodav - problem is everything else works... i'd rather not restart from scratch... i can... but it would be nice to update from wtihin my install... not re-install because i cant type or give root pass [04:34] photojim - so maybe removing that line that i put in would get things up and going again. [04:34] i'll try hard boot and then remove that line if i can borrow a usb keyboard from someone. [04:35] welp... this is a start... thanks guys. [04:35] it seems to me you borked something during that wiki [04:35] perhaps... [04:35] god knows what it is [04:36] dinkus: what I see in that howto thinks it's just used for the touchpad, so in theory it shouldn't matter... [04:36] that wiki needs some updating... rEFIt never needed to do anything... no partition syncing problems at all... [04:36] photojim - thats exactly right.. its the theory that always gets us tho. [04:36] out boys. [04:36] there are partiton syncing on 5.1 left and right so that part is a safety layer [04:37] release is very soon, right? [04:39] next week. [04:39] I think. or very early the following. [04:39] !jaunty [04:39] Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 23rd, 2009 - Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - Lots of breakage between now and April 23rd - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support. [04:40] April 23, evidently. [04:40] So a week today. [04:43] I've got this very strange problem with HDMI on my 23" screen, can someone help me? [04:50] any wifi related problems with Jaunty? [04:52] anyone know of any reported problems with wifi using Jaunty? [04:52] I just upgraded to 9.04rc....when I go to upgrade (finish the upgrade)...the update manager. When I go to the update manager and click "Partial upgrade", it goes through the first step then immediately closes without warning or error. It does this every time I go there, so apparently something isn't getting installed right. any ideas? [04:52] The upgrades shown under "Distribution Upgrade" are brasero and liblucene2-java [04:54] I mean, it's nothing crucial....it installed and runs fine aside from that. But it may be a bug perchance? [04:55] Use synaptic [04:55] How's Jaunty coming along? === k4v is now known as m4v [04:59] ok cool awesome thanks === kalpik_ is now known as kalpik [05:15] anyone having problems in firefox, where youre keyboard and mouse freezes up [05:27] anyone having problems in firefox, where youre keyboard and mouse freezes up [05:27] Not here [05:35] Gmail isn't loading on Firefox properly - is anybody else having this problem? [05:36] On one box ya [05:39] ghindo: It's been fine for me [05:45] dtchen : hello [05:46] is the release candidate stable? [05:46] for ubuntu 9.04 [05:48] Depends [05:49] i just download it [05:49] it look stable to me [05:50] Works on most of my stuff. I've had issues with intel 815 or any new ati video so far. [05:50] i have no probs with it [05:51] hey guys, trying to set up partitions here, i want to set up 2 partitons. mainly 1 for /home. can i just set up 1 partition for /home and another for / or do i have to set up every other partition as well? [05:51] yes [05:52] do a / and one for /home [05:52] ah awesome, thanks === |Myxb| is now known as Myxb === elpargo_ is now known as elpargo [06:39] upgrade to jaunty was otherwise uneventful but unfortunately nvidia's driver still doesn't work correctly with two monitors (set as separate screens) :( [06:39] does here [06:40] when running compiz actually, works fine with metacity [06:40] using compiz here [06:40] 9800GT [06:40] bug 290774 [06:40] Launchpad bug 290774 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Rotation of second monitor produces screen artifact Ubuntu 8.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290774 [06:41] so the second monitor (actually tv) has a black bar in the right side because it has higher resolution than the first monitor [06:42] you can set the monitors to different resolutions [06:43] yes, they are set to correct resolutions, but with compiz the second monitor apparently cannot be higher resolution than the first one (due to nvidia bug) [06:43] hrm which has the obvios solution, I should buy a new monitor with >=full-hd resolution :) [06:44] lol [06:44] The key shortcut to switch keyboard language (Both(left,right) ALT key) doesn't work [06:44] or switch primary screens [06:47] it been broken since 8.10 (8.04 worked fine) [06:48] actually that doesn't help because currently the monitor is 1280x1024 and tv 1360x768, so whichever is the primary, the other has higher resolution in x or y direction [06:49] most probably use two monitors with twinview/xinerama, where it works correctly, so the bug is not very visible :( [06:50] but that sucks when the screens are really separate [07:08] where in ubuntu 9.04 is the upgrade notification? [07:08] Hi there. I get these "perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LC_COLLATE = "C", LANG = "de_DE.UTF8" are supported and installed on your system." warnings after an apt-get. ... [07:09] well, there is no update yet, so you get no notification I guess [07:09] ... I already run "locale-gen de_DE.UTF8" [07:10] Moc: when i used kde, there was an icon that displayed when there were updates, but i don't see it in gnome [07:10] What should I do to not get these warnings, please? [07:10] belred: I dont see the update icon unless there is an update [07:10] there has been updates every day since i installed ubuntu [07:12] And the locales package is also installed [07:12] Moc: i just ran the upgrade manager and there was a lot of updates, but i never got a notification [07:13] i gotta go, bye peoplez [07:13] belred: same here then [07:13] maybe it was disabled in the rc ? [07:14] hello. I'm having some trouble connecting to a particular wireless network in the jaunty release candidate [07:15] there are some I can connect to fine, but the my own won't even give me a connection dialog like the other, unsecured ones do [07:15] can anybody give me some advice, please? [07:15] Moc: i never ran ubuntu before. i've used kubuntu for years. maybe gnome doesn't have this feature. [07:16] sorry, I meant kubuntu [07:16] the new network management applet [07:18] i recently changed my file system from ext3 to 4 and everything was working great until the second reboot at which point i now receive the error 13 invalid or unsupported executable format [07:19] only option i have now is to edit the grub menu [07:19] since i cannot boot into recovery [07:21] actually i can get to busy box with an older kernel [07:21] guys.. is anyone using nvidia graphics cards on kde... is it usable ? [07:25] hi all... i keep getting 408 errors with launchpad and a few other sites... any help here? [07:28] hi all... i keep getting 408 errors with launchpad and a few other sites... any help here? [07:29] has anyone here heard of apt-p2p? [07:32] hi all... i keep getting 408 errors in jaunty ,with launchpad and a few other sites... any ideas what could be wrong?? [07:35] anyone know why there is no .jigdo file for the "desktop" ISOs, but there is for "alternate" and "server" ? [07:35] i'm running Pidigin on Jaunty and I would like to know how I can make the Pidgin events to show up using the new Jaunty notification? [07:36] Go to Tools>Plugins [07:36] Enable libnotify popups. [07:37] thanks Veinor, it's already enabled [07:37] Hmm. [07:37] Try highlighting it and clicking configure plugin, see what's checked [07:37] ugh, stupid Tracker... prompts over and over and over again with "corrupted index" [07:38] I hit reindex... it asks me again right away, on top of the other "are you sure?" dialog. [07:38] all it's checked Veinor [07:38] Weird. And you're not getting notifications when people send you messages? [07:38] Try opening a terminal and running notify-send foo bar [07:38] no, i just get the new chat window pop under [07:39] Veinor, notify-send foo bar worked [07:39] Hmm. [07:40] also Gwibber is showing notifications [07:40] it's just pidgin i think [07:40] Sounds like a pidgin issue then [07:40] is there a way I can "revert" pidgin to its factory settings? [07:41] I think if you rename ~/.purple [07:41] anybody here using knetworkmanager? [07:42] To something else, it should delete preferences. [07:52] stupid notify-osd and pidgin: [07:52] just gave me a notification: [07:53] [07:53] is offline [07:53] is offline [07:57] Is there any way to log in to the Guest Account without using the user switcher? i.e. from GDM or a locked screen? [08:00] hi all... i keep getting 408 errors in jaunty ,with launchpad and a few other sites... any ideas what could be wrong?? [08:01] HTTP 408? [08:02] Veinor: yeah [08:02] Does that happen all the time? [08:02] its been happening for the past 3 days [08:02] I mean, does it happen eery time you try to connect? [08:03] is there any fix for video tearing with intel gm9xx cards? [08:03] i'v tried to access from firefox/epiphany/terminal but it just keeps timing out! [08:03] Veinor: yes everytime... i cant even file a bug regarding this! [08:04] Every browser too? [08:05] Like, did you try installing lynx and using it? [08:05] Veinor: didnt try lynx, but since i got it from the terminal tooo, i'd expect the same from lynx [08:06] Hmm. [08:06] Which sites does it happen on? [08:06] launchpad [08:07] Any others? [08:07] Hi all, has anyone tried to install jaunty on a alu iMac ? [08:07] Also, did you try rebooting or connecting to the internet a different way? [08:09] Veinor: i [08:10] Nobody ? [08:10] Veinor: i'v been trying everything , reboot/ new profile [08:10] Maybe it's your connection [08:11] Like, what happens when you just try pinging it? [08:11] what's UXA? [08:12] Veinor: i tried the same page from windows[dual boot] from same system, but page works fine in windows [08:12] Veinor: i didnt try ping.. how do i do it? [08:12] open up a terminal and run ping launchpad.net [08:13] how about wine in jaunty? [08:14] alow? [08:14] Veinor: it just is going on and on... [08:14] What's it saying [08:14] how about wine in jaunty? [08:14] Are they all doing the same thing? [08:14] shell32: I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work [08:15] Veinor: 64 bytes from vanadium.canonical.com (91.189.90.211): icmp_seq=110 ttl=43 time=327 ms << hi, i'm unable to play video in vlc in the main window of program (even if the "include video in interface" option is enebled). someone else have this problem? [08:15] OK, so you can ping it. That's normal. [08:16] Veinor: ok... so why am i not able to post /comment or report bug? [08:16] What happens if you open a terminal, cd to /tmp, and run wget launchpad.net [08:16] Wait. [08:16] wait [08:16] ? [08:16] Does that just happen whenever you try to post a comment or when you go to launchpad.net [08:16] ? [08:17] Hi has somebody installed Jaunty on an iMac ? [08:17] I mean, if you just open up your browser and go to launchpad.net, does it work? [08:18] sorry i had this discussio here yeterday, so forgot to mention form begining...only when i try to post a comment/report bug on launchpad... i have this timing out problem [08:18] Ahhh. [08:19] I'm going to try posting a comment, see if I can replicate. [08:20] Veinor: others are able to , but just not me!!!. i'v tried from my windows partition , it works from there! but just from ubuntu i'm not able to! [08:20] Hmm. I have no clue why that would be, to be honest. [08:21] Veinor: today i tried to post the bug via mail, using thunderbird... so was uploading the pgp key to launchpad keyserver... i got 408 error! [08:24] is there any fix for video tearing with intel gm9xx cards? [08:31] Veinor: same problem with the ubuntu forums website too... anyway someone could check this? could this be an ip block? [08:38] anyone know why there is no .jigdo file for the "desktop" ISOs, but there is for "alternate" and "server" ? [08:46] mac_vr: hey how did it go with kmyfirewall [08:54] eagles0513875: got toooo confused!!! [08:55] :( [08:55] was very sleepy when i tried it , so ended up with no firewall! [08:55] mac_vr: dont give up on it youll have yourself a very powerful iptable firewall [08:56] eagles0513875: will try again, but i think i have to read the instructions.. will be trying in the free time.. [08:56] mac_vr: good luck im in the process of setting up me own server on me own laptop with it as well [08:56] I have installed flah from the adobe site but firefox keeps using swdec which doesnt work on the website I am trying to view how do [08:57] !flash [08:57] To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (a recent version for !Dapper is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [08:57] I get rid of swfdec and use flash [08:57] yoza [08:57] webcam in jaunty cant use with acer 4520 [08:57] khunt: see that link [08:57] are we ready to roll [08:58] WE LEAVE THE MICROSOFT [08:58] shell32: the webcam wont work... i'v given up on it too.. the webcam will work in the kernel 2.29/30 ... if u want the cam working u can try that kernel... thats the only solution [09:00] where i can get???? [09:01] idont know about kernels... u might want to ask> ur question again... for upgrading the kernel[check that link i had given u for the correct kernel] [09:04] flash still doesnt work firefox is using the free flash plugin swfdec and not the proper flash plugin how do i force it? [09:11] moin, I did a fresh install of 9.04 RC1 ... the live CD had sound, but the install does not... new account, empty home folder... [09:11] using the kubuntu RC, and KDE desktop [09:11] hell all, I crashed my sys with 9.04 tday, up and running again in 8.10. My question is when the release is final will 8.10 get alot of updates to. Because 9.04 so far freezes my sys up [09:14] so, I just tried to boot off the live-cd of the release candidate [09:14] it instantly kernel-paniced [09:15] I used the AMD64 disk on a computer with an i7 disk and a nVidea 9800 graphics card [09:15] i installed 9.04 and applying all the updates via Update Manager. Does it make any sense for me to re-install 9.04 once it's released? [09:16] I did fresh install too, but my sys kept having random freezes [09:19] kazagistar: what is the system CPU? The 64-bit kernel won't boot (and will panic) if the CPU isn't a supported 64-bit CPU. [09:20] its a quad core 64-bit... I am using a brand new i7 from Intel [09:21] timfrost: I installed debian and it seemed to work fine, so it is not a hardware problem [09:24] ikonia: hi [09:24] ikonia: i had problems with the webpages, connecting to launchpad... [09:25] ikonia: i also have similar problems connecting to ubuntu forums [09:25] does anyone else have problems with lagging flash movies in firefox? [09:26] works fine on micro$ os http://starcraft2.com/features/battlereports/2.xml [09:27] klb_: i'm watching flash video , right now... i working fine here [09:28] macvr, no lagging? [09:28] hello, I have a hardy laptop, how can I best get it to jaunty? apt-get dist-upgrade isn't doing it... [09:28] nope.. [09:29] and setting pre-release sources active in adept isn't either [09:29] macvr, what player are you using? [09:29] klb_: adobe [09:30] macvr, and firefox [09:30] omebody know something about this? [09:30] hi, I have a bug with gnome-panel with jaunty, the order of the applets/controls changed after I logged in/out. [09:30] klb_: adobe 10 in firefox... u? [09:31] macvr, the same [09:32] klb_: by lagging u mean difference between voice and pics? [09:32] macvr, yes and and stopping [09:32] macvr, even while the buffer is full [09:33] klb_: i had that prob ,earlier but now working fine [09:33] so if I get kernel panics when I try to run the server install, would a older version, like a alpha or beta have any chance of working better? [09:35] macvr, could you tell me wich package you have installed? [09:36] klb_: adobe 10.0.22.87-2 [09:36] One of the feature i was praying would be implemented in ubuntu is the ability of Intel GMA965 cards to support dual monitor and compiz at the same time. my pray was answered then the mesa package with the fix was release as update during the the beta, however to my dismay upon installing the ubuntu rc (clean install) its back to the bad old days :(, am unable to have compiz and dual monitor again.. everytime i try to setup dual monitor, compiz get di [09:36] sabled .. can any one confirm this [09:36] macvr, oki, what is the name of the deb package? [09:37] adobe-flashplugin...? i dont understand wht u r asking [09:37] hi.  we have jaunty installed and running very nicely on an acer aspineOne.  One glitch however, is that apps like QtiPlot have completely scrambled menus and info windows.  The font is absolutely scrambled.  any hints? [09:37] CQ: upgrade to a new release isn't automatic. To get from hardy to jaunty, you will need to do 2 upgrades (hardy->intrepid, then intrepid->jaunty) Basics: do a full update of hardy using update-manager, then run 'sudo update-manager -c' to look for a new distribution (more options will be available because hardy is an LTS release) - this will update to intrepid. Fully update intrepid, then run 'sudo update-man [09:38] timfrost: thanks, found it already, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 [09:38] it does work directly. [09:38] can someone tell me if vpnc with SSL support will make it into Jaunty ? I'm already missed it in intrepid [09:39] it seems like other Qt based apps are doing the same [09:39] CQ: there are probably several similar instruction pages. Good luck with the upgrade. [09:39] does someone know if that prerelease-version of the proprietary amd catalyst driver will be updatetd to the stable one, released today? [09:40] timfrost: it's a clean install, so it's no risk [09:46] I am just going to repeat this one more time (sorry!). We have jaunty installed and running very nicely on an acer aspineOne. One glitch however, is that apps like QtiPlot have completely scrambled menus and info windows. The font is absolutely scrambled. any hints? [09:49] arkygeek: could it be that the fonts are too big or too small? [09:49] afaik there were many changes to dpi-related things lately ... [09:50] i set the font sizes to 96 dpi in xorg.conf [09:51] I added Option "NoDDC" to Devices and DisplaySize 195 113 to the Monitor Section [09:51] rebooted, and no change [09:52] soc: is there anything else I can try? [10:08] can anybody tell if there's something I'm missing when it comes to installing digikam in jaunty? [10:08] it says I have to uninstall libgpod4-nogtk but trying to do that tells me it will uninstall amarok2 [10:09] it seems like it's set up so that the 2 programs can't exist simultaneously [10:11] with jaunty I allways get these strange errors when restarting the networking [10:11] http://rafb.net/p/ROMzPU35.html [10:11] why? [10:11] Hi. I removed the new notification applet from the panel. How can I restore it? I cannot find it in "Add to Panel" [10:12] dennda: how did you remove it? [10:12] aaron: by right clicking and "remove from panel" [10:12] i think [10:12] how else would i? [10:12] are you talking about the device notifier? [10:12] not quite [10:12] I don't know, I wasn't aware it was possible to do it at all, if it's what I'm thinking of [10:13] I'm talking about the little envelope icon that informs you about messages in pidgin, evolution, etc [10:13] the little blue icon with the 'i' in it that pops up info on file transfers and thinks? [10:13] dennda, in kubuntu? [10:13] oh [10:13] No, ubuntu with gnome [10:14] oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about kubuntu. I don't know for gnome [10:26] i'm getting a lot of wget tcp kernel errors [10:26] [43586.051428] TCP(wget:15654): Application bug, race in MSG_PEEK. [10:27] arkygeek: no idea, maybe you could search for this bug on launchpad? [10:29] it looks like I've found the 'answer' to my problem, although it was a little bit scary [10:30] I had to uninstall libgpod4-nogtk and install libgpod4 [10:30] let it uninstall amarok, then install digikam, then reinstall amarok and now I have everything running together [10:30] that should be fixed before actually releasing, although I don't know how [10:31] hi I want to download 9.04 RC, the question is: when final version will be released, is it better to make then fresh install again ? [10:32] I see no problem updating RC to final through update manager. [10:32] I'm not going to reinstall and I've been using since early beta. [10:34] nandemonai: uh-huh, but usually it recommended to make new install, not update.. or not ? [10:35] ernie_eu: I don't think it's reccomended to do a fresh install unless something has broken. Updates should be fine. [10:35] nandemonai: ok, thank you, I will give it a try :) [10:40] ach, wtf is going on here :( not even nslookup http://kh.google.com works [10:40] I allways get ** server can't find http://kh.google.com: NXDOMAIN [10:40] but only on one of my ubuntu machines [10:41] resolv.conf looks right [10:42] nslookup kh.google.com [10:43] ah yes :( [10:43] :) [10:46] is googleearth somehow blocked? I can't still use it [10:48] hey, i've just noticed that cpu scaling for cores is independent - ie. both cores can be running on different speeds.. is it for real? afair in the past it was impossible to set speed for each core.. [10:51] when upgrading from intrepid to jaunty, my windows fonts dont seem to be working. i have msttcorefonts installed [10:52] and i have done sudo fc-cache -fv as well === Kissaki^0ff is now known as Kissaki === _veloc1ty is now known as veloc1ty [10:54] how long does it usually take for a "fix released" on launchpad to work itself into the repositories? [10:55] "a while" ;) [10:55] it should be on main server immediately but it takes time to sync mirrors. [10:57] so within a day or two? [10:57] ok.. [10:58] had this annoying problem that X uses 100% cpu on intel graphics [10:58] few hours [11:00] hmm with jaunty, i'm even starting to _like_ kde4 - but i want my transparent panels back ;-/ [11:00] Hello. Desktop effects didn't work in intrepid on intel 845 graphics chip, but they did work in hardy. Does desktop effects work in jaunty on intel 845. [11:00] xolve, right now there seems to be a problem with most intel graphic boards... [11:01] xolve, although, if they didn't work in intrepid I don't know [11:01] well release notes say that it has been *fixed*. I can't understand with propriety nvidia drivers they work. But not with opensource intel. [11:02] huh? [11:03] pucko-, ? [11:03] is it worth to disable one core to preserve battery? [11:04] all I know is that there is a problem with the current xorg-xserver-video-intel [11:04] My system refuses to continue the upgrade. [11:05] It downloaded 51 files out of 69, and then it refused to go on, stating that there's a problem with the connection or something. [11:17] fonts in firefox look weird eventhough i have msttcorefonts installed [11:18] why is that? [11:18] i upgraded from intrepid to jaunty yesterday [11:22] how to sudo without password ? [11:23] anderson ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL [11:23] no effect [11:24] Hello. Desktop effects didn't work in intrepid on intel 845 graphics chip, but they did work in hardy. Does desktop effects work in jaunty on intel 845. [11:25] Compiz can not be enable with this card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01) [11:25] -- worked with 8.10 [11:25] xolve, I think there are issues with Intel: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1126944 [11:30] fonts in firefox are not correct eventhough i have msttcorefonts installed [11:34] hey guys [11:34] is this a place to report RC bugs? [11:36] i just booted from a usb key into the jaunty rc [11:36] horrible :( [11:36] after upgrade from 8.10 my system does not boot [11:36] iElec, please give us more information [11:36] iElec: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu just say that you're using 9.04 in the bug report [11:36] loading bar shows up and then just some anomalies [11:36] can I elaborate here? [11:36] or should submit the bug rather [11:37] rather a bug, if you have enough information [11:38] i just tried to install xchat-gnome inside the livecd... it failed with libc6 errors [11:41] fonts in firefox are not correct eventhough i have msttcorefonts installed [11:41] hi all [11:42] i have dual monitors, ATI 4870 ... all good with default drivers in Jaunty R/C, but the restricted drivers don't pick up both screens, and then the display applet hangs when i open i [11:43] *it [11:43] anyone else seen that? [11:43] hey, guys... [11:44] I'm using the 9.04 Release Candidate and my ntfs partitions won't mount during boot. anyone know why? (my fstab => http://dpaste.com/35111/ ) [11:45] Tecn1, can you mount after booting? [11:45] sudo mount -a [11:46] ntfs-3g: Failed to access volume '/dev/disk/by-uuid/bc48731c4872d51c': No such file or directory [11:46] mrwes: in short, no [11:46] Hi, I just upgraded a system and now it won't boot. It drops to busybox shell. I have checked the UUID's in both the fstab and the menu.list from grub and they are fine. compared with blkid [11:46] heya [11:47] i'm having issues with the little popup that shows up when i change songs in rythmbox for example [11:47] However when I go to /dev/disk in the busybox shell there is no by-uuid directory. [11:47] can i somehow disable it for some events? [11:47] Tecn1, run blkid to check the UUID [11:49] aha, xorg 1.6 and fglrx is a no go [11:49] is that corret? [11:49] correct* [11:51] yep. [11:52] Hmm, an older 27 instead of 28 kernel does work... [11:53] mrwes: one of the ntfs partitions mounted the first time i used sudo mount -a and the other went after correcting the uuid. this still doesn't explain why the one that had the right uuid didn't mount on boot [11:53] iElec: i'm having trouble with the restricted ATI drivers [11:54] I did apt-get remove --purge fglrx [11:54] and system boots:) [11:54] looks like the support will come just after the 9.04 release [11:54] mine was booting but display applet crashes [11:54] that's cool i can wait [11:55] even better, suspend and resume worked with it unlike intrepid [11:55] :D [11:55] fingers crossed that keeps on happening [11:56] i was wondering if i should report the display applet crashing somewhere though [11:59] However the gdm greeter seems to be crashing... and I am stuck with 7 packages that encounter errors. One of which is mythbuntu-desktop... [11:59] anyone running the 64-bit version of jaunty? [11:59] im just following the discussion about the new update policy stuff, like update manager poping up once in a week or every day if there are security updates available, thats not an improvement in my oppinion [12:00] icewaterman: yes [12:00] hemi770: any serious drawbacks? [12:00] who ever came up with that idea didnt think it through. [12:00] icewaterman: it fixes just about every minor hassle or workaround i had with 8.04 and 8.10 [12:00] I really hope there is a way to get the reboot and updates available icons in the upper panel back [12:00] just the restricted ATI drivers for me so far, but even they've improved [12:01] hemi770: java plugin, flash player, both working? [12:01] icewarerman: I am running a 64bit system as well. And no drawbacks for me... [12:01] icewarerman: yep both working [12:01] hemi770: i am using the open source ati drivers on 32-bit [12:01] dunno if they also work on 64-bit [12:01] the open source drivers are sweet and have improved [12:01] works nice with dual screens now [12:01] i have 4870 [12:02] Tecn1, you verified the mount point too? [12:02] i just like wobbly windows [12:02] mrwes: yes. [12:02] hemi770: ok, one issue might be zattoo, dunno if that works on 64-bit [12:02] java working in FF unlike intrepid ... flash also working fine so far [12:03] hemi770: what about openoffice? [12:03] dunno i use vi [12:03] haven't fired it up yet [12:04] How can I make the system try to reinstall itself (like an upgrade) without actually performing a complete reinstall? [12:04] Tecn1, which one didn't mount? The /XP line? [12:04] hemi770: vi vs openoffice is a huge problem if you want diagrams... [12:04] 1 sec [12:05] it's 3.0 and it just opened an old .rtf fine [12:05] mrwes: neither mounted on boot, /XP mounted with mount -a the first time, and /media/Storage mounted with mount -a after i fixed its UUID. [12:05] hemi770: thx, i think i will install it. [12:06] hemi770: are there install cds for the release candidate? [12:06] hrmm [12:07] icewaterman: yes - check topic [12:07] could this be a bug that needs to be reported and fixed for the ginal release? [12:07] icewaterman: yes [12:08] mrwes: brb, restarting [12:09] kklimonda: thx, in irssi the topic is cut off after the beginning, so i can only manually read the topic by /topic [12:09] btw, what happened to the opera browser in the ubuntu partner repository? [12:12] I tested everything now, but googleearth can't login to it's servers on my ubuntu [12:13] I've got ubuntu 9.04 running on this Acer Aspire One netbook and now it's working (the wireless wasn't initially a few weeks ago but I've finally got it to). [12:14] Now, how do I get the 8GB SD card to 'join' with the normal home directory folders, like the Acer Aspire One's Linpus Linux does - it joins the SD card in the 'storage expansion' slot on the left, together with the home folders, so you can't see the difference. [12:14] Tecn1, you're in CT ? [12:14] yes [12:14] me too :) [12:15] weird [12:15] mrwes: not Storage mounts during boot, but XP doesn't [12:15] At the moment, I'm seeing the left SD card as a separate 8GB drive - that's not how it should be on here. [12:15] *now [12:15] hrmm is that path correct /XP ? [12:15] yes [12:16] in fact, it mounts with mount -a [12:16] just not during boot [12:16] it's a local drive? [12:16] I'm in Middletown, and you? [12:17] ... [12:17] wtf [12:17] are you fucing with me? [12:17] me? [12:17] yes [12:17] why do you ask that? [12:17] I'm in fucking middletown [12:17] no [12:18] O.o [12:18] I live in the WestLake area [12:18] what are the odds of that sheit [12:18] heh [12:18] Tecn1: btw, do you really have to mount it during boot? it should mount automatically when you access it from nautilus. FWIW I think fstab should only contain few entries required to boot system... [12:19] kklimonda, without an entry in fstab how does it know the mount point? [12:20] kklimonda: for one, it doesn't mount with nautilus either... secondly, I'm not planing on accessing it with nautilus. [12:20] mrwes: hal handles it - mounts volumes into /media/