 The only complicatiing factor is that the NSA was up there unspecified reasons (I suppose a radio telescope can read all sorts of interesting things off of other people's satellites)
[01:35] <esp17> hi guys - any advice how to gain permission to access files and folders on a mounted mac hard drive from a ubuntu live CD session?
[02:30] <rocko> e s p e r a n t o
[02:30] <rocko> s a l u t o n
[03:29] <J_Litewski> how would i check to see what kernel I'm using?
[03:36] <xy|ox> J_Litewski, uname -a
[03:37] <J_Litewski> ah, ty
[03:38] <DemonicSins420> hi
[03:39] <DemonicSins420> anyone here able to get call of duty 5 dedicated server running xubuntu?
[03:40] <DemonicSins420> I am thinking of installing xubuntu for it but would like to get some feedback if anyone here have successfuly installed a dedicated server.
[03:44] <J_Litewski> trying to set up aircrack-ng to see if i can't crack my own router
[04:08] <DemonicSins420> use bt4 for that.
[04:08] <DemonicSins420> I am thinking of installing xubuntu for it but would like to get some feedback if anyone here have successfuly installed a dedicated server.
[04:08] <DemonicSins420> anyone here able to get call of duty 5 dedicated server running xubuntu?
[04:11] <manpoole> will xubuntu work with 128mb ram?
[04:21] <DemonicSins420> where is the help in this room?
[04:22] <zerothis> How to I use a wireless print sever? I the server is detected by my card.
[04:24] <n2diy> Folks, there are only 66 users here, and all of them are volunteers. You have a better chance of getting answers in #ubuntu.
[04:24] <zerothis> DemonicSins420: this room require patience. Most people are either AFK or don't know. But sooner or later the right person will come and see. I find this channel more helpful than #ubuntu with its 1400+ simultaneous users. Yet another reason I prefer xbuntu instead of gnome
[04:28] <n2diy> zerothis: I agree, and there are a lot of newbies helping newbies in #ubuntu, and that isn't a good mix.
[04:29] <manpoole> help... xubuntu boots up with the live cd fine until x starts then black screen
[04:30] <manpoole> with messed up xubuntu logos at top of the almost completely black screen
[04:30] <n2diy> manpoole: what is the make and model of your graphics card?
[04:31] <manpoole> let me see
[04:31] <zerothis> n2diy: plus, you ask you question and it scrolls away as 100 lines of chat follow. 20 new people join, you ask again, someone complains you already asked (but I didn't ask the 20 new people nor the countless that were AFK when I hasked 100 lines ago)
[04:32] <n2diy> zerothis: roger all that, and Xubuntu works well on old HW.
[04:33] <zerothis> or cheap new hardware
[04:33] <n2diy> zerothis: I collect most of my hardware off the curb.
[04:34] <manpoole> n2diy i have no idea its old lol
[04:35] <n2diy> zerothis: this box is a PII, and my backup box is a plain jane Pentium.
[04:35] <zerothis> n2diy: same here. I resell them for $5 to $100 usually, and accept trade-ins.
[04:36] <n2diy> zerothis: that is what I'm gearing up to do! Are you making any money yet?
[04:38] <manpoole> n2diy i toook the card out and am trying the integrated one
[04:38] <manpoole> it says nothing on the card except for made in mexico
[04:38] <manpoole> buit i think it has 16 mb
[04:39] <n2diy> manpoole: 10-4, there should be an FCC ID number on the card, you can google that to find out what it is.
[04:41] <manpoole> sweet
[04:41] <manpoole> yeah but the integrated booted
[04:42] <manpoole> what does a fcc id look like?
[04:43] <manpoole> sweet i found another video card in my dressor
[04:43] <manpoole> and  lots more ram hope it fits
[04:43] <zerothis> I have other income. I deal with people who've been bamboozled into believing they can't afford or are otherwise not able to use a computer. I make it clear that my products are limited and they won't with new off-the-shelf software (that's over priced, under featured, and flash-java-3D-bloated anyhow). But they do word processing, browse the net, load and edit photos from cameras, make mp3 from CDs, and some even play DVDs. M
[04:44] <n2diy> manpoole: it should indicate it is an FCC ID number. Usually the are three letters, and then a bunch of numbers.
[04:45] <manpoole> Dell NVidia TNT2 Pro graphics card with 16MB of SGRAM
[04:45] <zerothis> and of course they will all play games, which is the only ligitimate use of a computer :)
[04:48] <n2diy> zerothis: good for you. Building boxes from salvage here, have one ready to go in the "wild".
[04:58] <zerothis> I have 'business associates' with the local fire clean-up crew and at city dump. Amazing that people through away perfectly good machines just because they caught fire, melted, were them doused or buried under trash, and the damaged 4GB memory is fused to the mother board with only 591.177 MB left usable. "Linux can work around little details like that", I tell them
[05:00] <manpoole> n2diy 256 ram now and the live cd runs extremely slow....
[05:00] <manpoole> will the hd install be that musch quicker?
[05:01] <n2diy> manpoole: what's the cpu?
[05:04] <manpoole> 1.5 ghz
[05:04] <manpoole> Pentium III-933 CPU
[05:04] <manpoole> actually the second ones right
[05:05] <n2diy> manpoole: that should run ok, are you seeing any errors?
[05:06] <manpoole> nope
[05:06] <manpoole> i am running the integrated graphics
[05:06] <manpoole> but that shouldnt be the problem
[05:06] <manpoole> maybe my cdrom is just slow?
[05:08] <n2diy> manpoole: yes, that could be. Do you know there are no standards on how to write to a CDROM? So burining and reading are a hit or miss operation.
[05:11] <manpoole> the install gui cannot make it past timezones it so slow
[05:12] <n2diy> you might have to let it cook?
[05:13] <Golden_Babyking> hello?
[05:14] <Golden_Babyking> i'm trying to install xubutu 8.04 and i need some help
[05:15] <manpoole> where do i get the xubuntu alternate iso?
[05:16] <Golden_Babyking> hmmm
[05:20] <manpoole> n2diy do you think it will work better on the alternate cd?
[05:21] <n2diy> manpoole:yes
[05:22] <Golden_Babyking> i'm looking for a fast os, is xubuntu the right choice?
[05:23] <Golden_Babyking> n2diy: i'm looking for a fast os, is xubuntu the right choice?
[05:24] <n2diy> Colden_Baby, in the Ubuntu family, yes.
[05:25] <Golden_Babyking> how about out of all the linux distros....?
[05:25] <manpoole> oooh and my usb keyboard doesnt work in the bootlader menu do you think it will work on the alternate cd install?
[08:18] <manpoole> how do i load the ndiswrapper in a fresh install of xubuntu?
[08:26] <gabkdlly> manpoole: hi
[08:26] <gabkdlly> manpoole: there is a GUI to help you do this, give me a second and I will try and find it for you
[08:27] <gabkdlly> manpoole: it is called ndisgtk
[08:31] <gabkdlly> manpoole: it is not installed by default, but I believe it ships on the CD
[08:31] <gabkdlly> !synaptic | manpoole
[08:31] <gabkdlly> manpoole: just in case you need help installing the package :)
[08:33] <manpoole> cool
[08:33] <manpoole> ohhh and its actually on xubuntu
[08:33] <manpoole> but i figured it be the same
[08:34] <manpoole> wait nm
[08:34] <manpoole> oh and i did the alternative install
[08:35] <manpoole> ndisgtk is not availible through synaptic
[08:36] <manpoole> well at least on the alternative install without the internet
[08:38] <manpoole> brb
[08:45] <gabkdlly> manpoole: check if you have ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 on the CD
[08:46] <gabkdlly> manpoole: it allows you to configure ndiswrapper on the command line, which I guess you won't mind since you did go with the alternative install :)
[09:07] <manpoolee> i installed windows wifi driver using ndiswrapper
[09:07] <manpoolee> it connects to a wifi network but the internet does not work
[10:31] <Grrai> morning! Question: running Xubuntu 8.10 (dual boot with Win. Vista) on Acer Asp.7730G. Got wireless working with <modprobe acer-wmi> and <echo >1... >. Now, wireless LED works "most" of the time, at startup. But sometimes it doesn't, then pressing the wireless button starts it; and sometimes even that won't work. In that case I restart the computer until it does work. Not a tragic problem, but I don't understand why loading that modul
[10:31] <Grrai> e is that random? Any ideas?
[10:32] <knome> the only thing i can think of is that it is not shut down properly
[10:32] <knome> and that's why it can't load properly
[10:33] <knome> might also be something to do with the wireless button
[10:33] <Grrai> so, to rule out not shutting down propperly, what can I do?
[10:35] <knome> i'm not sure and i have to go
[10:35] <knome> i hope somebody can help you
[10:35] <Grrai> oks, byes!
[10:35] <Grrai> :)
[10:35] <knome> you can also try #ubuntu as this doesn't sound like a xubuntu-specific problem
[10:35] <knome> good luck! ->
[10:36] <knome> (or even #ubuntu-fi)
[10:36] <Grrai> thanks
[10:36] <Grrai> I am bad at describiing my problems in finnish :P
[10:36] <Grrai> ( not native )
[11:18] <aa7788> hi! I have error in CPU and M/B temp... What I can do? hddtemp works fine. http://pastebin.com/m51d3bddf (sorry my english is bad) :)
[12:54] <BSE> hi guys and gals :)
[12:56] <BSE> I have a little problem. I sometimes connect to university VPN, and as soon as I do it, all programs seem to use it for internet connection.
[12:57] <BSE> How can I set it up, so just one specific soft use it? [rdesktop]
[13:23] <smtx> hi
[13:23] <rocko> goodbye smtx
[13:23] <BSE> :o
[13:23] <rocko> nice knowing you while you are now leaving smtx :(
[13:23] <smtx> i have a little trouble getting the soundcard in my ibm t41 to work
[13:24] <rocko> that does not sound good
[13:24] <rocko> hahahhaa
[13:24] <rocko> funny
[13:24] <rocko> I made a funny
[13:24] <smtx> well :) it worked until i installed fluxbox
[13:24] <smtx> and started it
[13:24] <rocko> I see
[13:24] <rocko> maybe you need to reconfigure your sound
[13:24] <smtx> lsmod lspci -nn and hwinfo --sound seem to show it right
[13:25] <smtx> but the mixer under xfce does not show it anymore
[13:25] <smtx> is there an easy way to reinstall that?
[13:25] <BSE> mixer?
[13:26] <BSE> probably via apt-get? I am new to the whole linux/xubuntu stuff
[14:19] <smtx> :/
[14:19] <smtx> still no success
[14:19] <smtx> arg!
[14:19] <smtx> multimedia + linux = nightmare
[14:19] <cody-somerville> smtx, Whats your problem?
[14:20] <smtx> my sound does not work anymore in my xubuntu
[14:20] <smtx> but it worked after install
[14:20] <smtx> i installed fluxbox and flashplayer since then it does not work
[14:20] <smtx> its an ac97 from intel
[14:21] <cody-somerville> smtx, You can't get any sound at all?
[14:21] <smtx> also looked through it with lsmod lspci -nn and hwinfo --sound
[14:21] <smtx> no sound at all yes
[14:21] <cody-somerville> smtx, And you've verified that it isn't a hardware issue?
[14:22] <smtx> aumix is on alsa-utils not maybe thats the prob?
[14:22] <smtx> cody-somerville: no hardware issue
[14:22] <smtx> it worked after install
[14:22] <smtx> only after installing fluxbox it was broken
[14:22] <smtx> maybe its also flashplayer
[14:22] <cody-somerville> Does uninstalling those packages fix the issue?
[14:23] <smtx> i allready uninstalled fluxbox
[14:23] <smtx> did not fix it
[14:23] <cody-somerville> and have you rebooted since installing/uninstalling?
[14:24] <smtx> yeah of course
[14:26] <etank> is there a way to make apps (terminal, orage, etc) from opening at login?
[14:26] <etank> i want orage to be in the tray but not show a window on the desktop
[14:27] <etank> really i only want the desktop to show at login with no windows at all
[14:28] <cody-somerville> etank, Thats from your saved session
[14:28] <cody-somerville> smtx, If you boot the live cd, does sound work?
[14:29] <etank> cody-somerville: i have not left those apps running at a shutdown though
[14:30]  * etank tests something. biaf
[14:32] <smtx> yeah
[14:32] <smtx> cody-somerville: i just reinstalled the multimedia stuff
[14:32] <smtx> ill take a reboot and see if it works now
[14:32] <smtx> brb
[14:35] <etank> hmmm ... orage still shows on the desktop at login but terminal isn't
[14:35] <etank> so that is a slight improvement
[14:35] <etank> cody-somerville: does Xfce have compiz?
[14:35] <etank> and is there a way to get the system bell to actually work?
[14:36]  * cody-somerville has to take the dog out, brb
[14:38] <remink> How to stop the windows regrouping in XFCE 4.4 ?
[14:41]  * etank goes to a movie and will check back later
[14:45] <cody-somerville> remink, Which regrouping?
[14:46] <remink> cody-somerville: Mhmhm, sorry, it's on emesene finaly
[14:53] <fortunev> what is the application to put the power management icon in my system tray
[14:54] <cody-somerville> fortunev, You need to modify your power management configuration
[14:54] <cody-somerville> Click Applications > Settings > Power Management
[14:55] <fortunev> cody-somerville: I am using fluxbox, and dont see a power management on the menu
[14:55] <cody-somerville> You'll want to visit #fluxbuntu then for support with fluxbox.
[14:55] <fortunev> ok thanks
[14:56] <cody-somerville> No problem
[15:16] <kromar> hi
[15:17] <kromar> i have a problem after reinstalling grub bootloader, when the login screen appears my keyboard and mouse stop responding. any idea what could be the problem
[15:17] <kromar> ?
[15:19] <cody-somerville> Is it possible that maybe something else has caused that?
[15:19] <cody-somerville> and the reboot to test your reinstalled bootloader is the first opportunity you've had to see it?
[15:20] <kromar> well i installed new hardware yesterday but had to return the mainboard so im on the old stuff again... you think that could cause the problem?
[15:33] <kromar> so any idea how to get my keyboard/mouse input back?
[15:41] <cody-somerville> kromar, Potentially
[15:42] <cody-somerville> kromar, What exactly happens?
[15:42] <kromar> well i start up and on the login screen i have no controll over my mouse and keyboard
[15:43] <cody-somerville> Do you know what a VT is?
[15:44] <kromar> no.. what is a vt?
[15:44] <cody-somerville> kromar, It stands for virtual terminal
[15:44] <cody-somerville> Can you try pressing CTRL+ALT+F1 when your problem happens
[15:44] <cody-somerville> It should bring you to virtual terminal #1
[15:44] <cody-somerville> What I'd like you to try is reconfiguring your xserver
[15:45] <cody-somerville> Simply login and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", answer any questions it has to the best of your ability (feel free to ask for help), and then type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" to restart the login screen.
[15:46] <kromar> well how can i log in if my keyboard does not respond?
[15:46] <Ruadh> Hi all
[15:47] <charlie-tca> kromar: did you try starting in recovery mode?
[15:47] <charlie-tca> !hi | Ruadh
[15:49] <cody-somerville> kromar, Try and find out ;]
[15:49] <cody-somerville> kromar, If it doesn't work, it indicates a different problem than what we're currently pursuing
[15:51] <kromar> hmm seems that ctrl+alt+f1 works, why do the other keys not respond?
[15:52] <cody-somerville> kromar, Probably because your xserver is misconfigured due to your hardware changes
[15:54] <kromar> hm reconfigured, still not working:/
[15:54] <kromar> and why does this also affect the mouse?
[15:55] <cody-somerville> kromar, and you restarted gdm?
[15:56] <kromar> whats gdm?
[15:56] <cody-somerville> Did you do the  "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" ?
[15:56] <kromar> no what does that do?
[15:58] <kromar> done, no change
[15:59] <cody-somerville> and did you do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[16:01] <kromar> yes i did
[16:01] <cody-somerville> kromar, try this: "sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade"
[16:05] <kromar> 0 upgraded, 0 installed, 0 removed....
[16:05] <kromar> still not working....
[16:06] <kromar> dont know maybe i wait till my mainboard arrives and reinstall everything...
[16:07] <cody-somerville> Can you upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere?
[16:08] <SiDi> (me sometimes has GDM refusing to recognise his whole keyboard/touchpad till he unplugs the USB mouse / shuts down the bluetooth mouse)
[16:09] <kromar> nope the computer is not on a network at the momen
[16:09] <kromar> t
[16:09] <cody-somerville> kromar, usb thumb drive might work if you have one
[16:10] <kromar> what should that be?
[16:10] <cody-somerville> You could transfer the file to a usb thumb drive and then upload from the computer you're using to speak with us
[16:10] <kromar> i dont get it why it doesent recognize my input devices anymore, all i did is reinstalled the grub loader and it stoped working:/
[16:11] <kromar> and that tut how to reinstall it could need some more details, its very vague..
[16:15] <kromar> cody-somerville: i really have no idea how to do such a thing, im using this system for 2 weeks or so...
[16:15] <Ruadh> bbl
[16:16] <kromar> how do i access the terminal from the installation cd?
[16:17] <kromar> ctrl+alt+f1?
[16:18] <kromar> nope...
[16:18] <charlie-tca> kromar: desktop/live cd should be Ctrl+alt+f2
[16:19] <kromar> doesent work...
[16:19] <charlie-tca> f2, f3, f4 has text on it, f5, f6 should work
[16:21] <kromar> f5=accessibility, f6=other options
[16:22] <kromar> please can someone tell me how to access the terminal from the isntallation cd?
[16:22] <charlie-tca> I don't think you can access a TTY from the installation menu.
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Since there are no terminals defined at that menu, there are none to access
[16:23] <kromar> "All you need to do is access the terminal using the installation CD/DVD of your GNU/Linux operating system."
[16:24] <charlie-tca> you have to have the cd running
[16:24] <kromar> so i need to start the system from the disc to access it?
[16:24] <charlie-tca> as in "try xubuntu without installing it"
[16:24] <charlie-tca> when you get to the desktop, you can have a terminal
[16:24] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:25] <kromar> ok that should be added to the tutorial as noobs like me dont really understand such things:D
[16:26] <charlie-tca> I don't know what tutorial that is.
[16:26] <kromar> found it on the ubuntu page
[16:26] <charlie-tca> There are thousands of such pages.
[16:27] <kromar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[16:29] <charlie-tca> So, which section starting with "boot from a live cd" was it?
[16:39] <kromar> so any other ideas how to get my keyboard/mouse working?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Does it work if you start in recovery mode from the GRUB menu>?
[16:46] <kromar> what should i select ther from the recovery menu? resume normal boot?
[16:47] <charlie-tca> select root and check if the keyboard works at this point
[16:48] <kromar> yes it works
[16:48] <charlie-tca> a simple "exit" typed at the prompt, then resume normal boot
[16:48] <charlie-tca> when the login screen comes up, see if it is working again
[16:48] <kromar> nope not working... also no response from the mouse:/
[16:49] <charlie-tca> :(
[16:50] <charlie-tca> Is this USB or bluetooth?
[16:51] <kromar> this really gets on my nerves after the damaged hardware i got yesterday:/ bad week for me...
[16:51] <charlie-tca> I know the feeling. I lost several hard drives and two cd drives in a week
[16:51] <kromar> the mouse is usb the keyboard is the old thing, cant remember the name right now
[16:51] <charlie-tca> PS2
[16:51] <kromar> exactly
[16:52] <charlie-tca> Try switching the ports in back of the computer, but you have to shutdown to do it.
[16:52] <kromar> the strange thing is that the lights on the keyboard and the mouse work but no input:/
[16:52] <charlie-tca> I would be looking for a bent pin in one of the connectors, I think
[16:53] <kromar> but it works if i start the system from the install cd, i cant think of a reason why i should change the ports...
[16:53] <charlie-tca> They are so tiny, they can bend easy. I did that once and had the same thing
[16:53] <charlie-tca> you are right.
[16:54] <charlie-tca> If it works from the desktop cd, it should work from the installed system. Try Grub menu, recovery mode, Xfix, maybe.
[16:55] <charlie-tca> It is something in "X", but I don't know what.
[16:56] <kromar> xfix?
[16:56] <charlie-tca> In the menu, cursor down to it
[16:56] <kromar> already tried that, doesent change anything
[16:57] <smtx> re
[16:57] <smtx> so i found out that my sound is okay
[16:57] <smtx> kernel module is loaded
[16:57] <smtx> and before i startX i can play sound with aplay
[16:58] <kromar> an other question, if i want to run the 64bit version, do i need to reinstall the system?
[16:58] <smtx> but after starting xfce the sound seems broken
[16:58] <smtx> could that be related to the fact that i uninstalled gdm? Oo
[16:58] <smtx> kromar: 64bit software runs only on 64bit operating systems ... except on mac osx there its a bit different
[16:58] <charlie-tca> kromar: yes,
[16:59] <charlie-tca> There is a very difficult procedure to updgrade from 32-bit, but if it is broken, I would reinstall
[16:59] <kromar> ok if i need to reinstall then there is no need to break my head over ths problem...
[16:59] <smtx> kromar: 64bit os makes only sense with 8gb or more ram
[16:59] <smtx> if you dont have that it makes no sense
[17:00] <charlie-tca> smtx: explain that. 32-bit can only access 3.2GB ram, what do you do if you have 4 or 6 installed?
[17:00] <smtx> hmm okay if 6 it depends
[17:00] <kromar> well i might upgrade from 4 to 8 in a short time
[17:00] <smtx> on 4 stay with the 32bit
[17:01] <charlie-tca> why should I lose almost a gig?
[17:01] <smtx> no no its not that easy
[17:01] <smtx> 32bit os means each machine-code-word in asm is 32bit long
[17:01] <smtx> 64bit means its 64bit long
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Oh yes, it is. 32-bit accesses only 3.2GB, If I have 4GB installed, I lose almost one gig
[17:01] <smtx> that means if you install the 64bit system you may access all the 4gig of ram yes
[17:02] <kromar> if i have 64bit hardware why would i choose a 32bit system?
[17:02] <smtx> but you loose much more since the os itself doubles its overhead during the longer machine-code-instructions
[17:02] <smtx> so you loose the power
[17:02] <kromar> so 64bit is slower than 32 bit? o_O
[17:02] <smtx> and the missing 0.8gb doesnt make sense if having additional if loosing more due to the bigger operating-systems-command-overhead
[17:02] <charlie-tca> kromar: if you have less than 4GB ram, you won't see an increase in speed unless you are doing a lot of heavy processing
[17:02] <smtx> kromar: exactly
[17:03] <smtx> so on 6gb it may come in question
[17:03] <smtx> but i would say if 64bit go and get at least 8gb ram
[17:03] <smtx> anything else is just ... crap
[17:03] <charlie-tca> I run VBox, doing 4 installs at a time in 4GB ram. It matters here
[17:03] <smtx> ^^
[17:03] <smtx> yeah i do also a lot of virtual machine stuff
[17:03] <charlie-tca> 32-bit could not keep up when I tried it
[17:03] <smtx> building complete networks with vmwarestuff
[17:03] <smtx> so ram is not expensive this times
[17:03] <smtx> go get some
[17:04] <charlie-tca> system maxed out at 4GB
[17:04] <smtx> charlie-tca: how much ram?
[17:04] <smtx> hmm i really doubt the difference
[17:04] <smtx> you may access up to 3.5 gb ram ore more with PAE and a graphics card without much ram
[17:04] <charlie-tca> I guess you are allowed to doubt. I see it in real time here
[17:04] <smtx> charlie-tca: any benchmarks or is it just felt speed?
[17:05] <charlie-tca> It is felt, like it takes several minutes to run firefox in 32-bit with 4 installations running in VBox.
[17:05] <charlie-tca> It is almost as fast with/without those installs using 64-bit
[17:06] <smtx> charlie-tca: several minutes to run firefox? Oo
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Slow enough to not try to run the installations at one time
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Trying to run 16 installations every day, it matters
[17:06] <smtx> hmm maybe linux handles it a bit better than the windows pedants
[17:07] <charlie-tca> Of course it does.
[17:07] <smtx> but in general switching to 64bit systems with 4gb or less makes no sense
[17:07] <charlie-tca> Only in windows
[17:07] <charlie-tca> In linux, you do not see the performance loss with 4 GB ram
[17:08] <smtx> but its the same principle
[17:08] <ktebit>  I just installed the xubuntu 9.04 release candidate, this time I used ext4 and damn it is lightning fast. An fsck took like 10 seconds.
[17:08] <ktebit> Is 3 gig of swap with 2 gigs of ram enough?
[17:08] <smtx> the address-lenght becomes 64bit lenght also 8bytes
[17:08] <charlie-tca> But you are talking Microsoft code!
[17:08] <smtx> while in 32bit its 4 byte
[17:08] <smtx> so more overhead
[17:08] <ktebit> anyone?
[17:09] <ktebit> Also, right now I have xchat connected to two servers, firefox with 5 tabs open, and pidgin running in XFCE and I am using around 330 mb of ram. Is this pretty good or could be better or about right or what?
[17:09] <charlie-tca> ktebit: It should be
[17:09] <ktebit> isnt 3 a bit of overkill?
[17:09] <SiDi> windows and 64bits mostly dont make sense because the poor windows devs didnt understand they should also compile their apps for 64bits systems
[17:09] <smtx> ktebit: uninstall gdm
[17:09] <smtx> or use fluxbox
[17:09] <smtx> its much lighter ^^
[17:09] <charlie-tca> not if you want to suspend/hibernate
[17:09] <smtx> the fastest one would be openbox
[17:09] <SiDi> ktebit, i have 4gb of ram and i just dont use any swap. It reduces HDD I/O
[17:10] <smtx> SiDi: it makes sense.. one example... adobe cs4 suite ... or cinema4d
[17:10] <charlie-tca> smtx: why would he need lighter if he is using 330MB of 2GB?
[17:10] <SiDi> If you use apps that do use all your ram then you can make some swap
[17:11] <SiDi> i'm usually about 700-1gb of ram, without swap, and i always have  apps like ff and xchat opened
[17:11] <smtx> charlie-tca: no idea what he is planning maybe vm-stuff
[17:11] <SiDi> (i'm though honnestly surprised of seing i drop to less than 50mb ram if i shutdown xorg :P)
[17:12] <smtx> i mostly stick around 300mb ram used of 1gb
[17:12] <charlie-tca> The big ram user is firefox. It takes about 100mb. You can use less ram with epiphany-browser
[17:12] <charlie-tca> and still use the firefox plugins
[17:12] <smtx> yeah.. and over here its eclipse too... eclipse is a ram nightmare
[17:12] <ktebit> well ive been playing with 9.04 for a while now and i havent been able to do enough to make it use the swap space
[17:13] <charlie-tca> It takes a lot, but if you use suspend, you must have enough swap to accept all of the ram space
[17:13] <ktebit> what do you suggest I do charlie ?
[17:14] <charlie-tca> use what you have. It works well, doesn't it?
[17:14] <charlie-tca> Why change if it isn't broken?
[17:14] <ktebit> yeah everything has been fine with 3
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Then I would not fix it.
[17:17] <ktebit> hmmmm
[17:18] <charlie-tca> The last working system I "fixed" broke so bad I had to reinstall the os on it
[17:25] <ktebit> heheheh
[17:25] <ktebit> hehehehehehehehhehe
[17:26]  * charlie-tca did NOT think it was funny at the time
[17:38] <Traveler51> Hi anyone know how to fix problem when install can't detect the cd-rom?
[17:40] <Traveler51> a window opens says it wants additional drivers for the cdrom
[17:41] <Traveler51> compaq presario 1260 amd k6-ii 333mhz 290mb ram Xubuntu 8.10 i386 alternative install
[17:43] <Ruadh> later
[17:49] <Traveler51> help anyone
[17:50] <manpoole> on another computer wireless adapter it will see a network connect to it but no internet.... any ideas?
[17:52] <UKGent> got twin-view working fine across two monitors  on my Nvidia Xserver Settings but cannot get it to work on seperate xwindows. Pretty happy with the way it is but has anyone ever managed to get it working on separate x windows ?
[17:52] <ramrod> i tried last week
[17:53] <ramrod> didnt work
[17:53] <ramrod> but i tried not very long because twin view works for me
[17:54] <UKGent> ramrod thanks for that. I have done quite a bit of research and fiddled around but I don't really want to break my xwindows. Yes - I agree , twin-view is fine. Just annoys me when I can't get things to work thats all lol
[17:55] <manpoole> hey on wireless connections i can connect to the wifi router but still doesnt give me the internet
[17:55] <ramrod> haha i know what you mean but i dont wanted to mess my x up so i left it as it is
[17:55] <ramrod> ^^
[17:55] <manpoole> using a ndiswrapper
[17:55] <UKGent> I must say that I really like xubuntu and I have tried other ubuntu set ups
[17:55] <smtx> re once again
[17:55] <smtx> power supply was broken
[17:56] <smtx> so my sound is working in the shell without xorg and xfce
[17:56] <smtx> but after starting up xfce it does not work anyomre
[17:56] <UKGent> xfce is definitely more forgiving of being experimented with IMO
[17:56] <smtx> -omre +more
[17:56] <UKGent> I used to break my regular ubuntu x win regularly lol
[17:58] <UKGent> see you guys later. It is tea time here in the good 'ole UK
[17:58] <ramrod> ^^ cu
[18:04] <SiDi> smtx, got pulse running ?
[18:05] <smtx> no alsa
[18:06] <smtx> and i just think its because my user is not in the audio group
[18:06] <smtx> just adding him and then restarting xfce
[18:09] <smtx> hmm  it still does not find a sounddevice :&
[18:09] <smtx> when trying aplay -l
[18:11] <SiDi> ew :/
[18:12] <manpoole> uhm i dont have a network gui in settings?
[18:12] <charlie-tca> smtx: double-click the speaker and make sure you actually have some controls.
[18:12] <manpoole> i did the alternative install
[18:12] <smtx> charlie-tca: no controls
[18:12] <manpoole> how do i get this?
[18:12] <smtx> :(
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Then you need to add some
[18:12] <smtx> i guess i have to reinstall the kernel
[18:12] <smtx> so the alsamodule gets resettet
[18:13] <charlie-tca> no, just add controls
[18:13] <smtx> how?
[18:13] <charlie-tca> click select controls, add at least master and pcm
[18:13] <smtx> it is not finding my device under xfce
[18:13] <charlie-tca> Sound card: is empty?
[18:13] <smtx> no
[18:13] <smtx> without x and xfce startet it works
[18:13] <smtx> just after starting xfce its not working
[18:14] <smtx> aplay runs fine without xfce startet and x off
[18:14] <smtx> but after starting it it does not work because it cannot find the device
[18:14] <charlie-tca> in the mixer, is there anything in Sound Card (first item)?
[18:14] <smtx> no
[18:14] <smtx> nothing
[18:14] <charlie-tca> oops
[18:14] <smtx> yeah
[18:14] <smtx> reinstll the kernel ... hope it fixes the prob :D
[18:15] <charlie-tca> yeah
[18:15] <smtx> brb
[18:19] <charlie-tca> bbl
[18:20] <smtx> re
[18:20] <smtx> yeah sound works :)
[18:20] <smtx> whatever i did... its gone
[18:24] <cody-somerville> :)
[18:29] <smtx> so now up to the next problem xD
[18:29] <smtx> i have a ibm notebook
[18:30] <smtx> and that has some strange us keyboard layout
[18:30] <smtx> and some stuff is not where its on the keyboard
[18:31] <smtx> i allready did a lot of googling for a keyboard layout but it seems no one avail for ibm laptops?
[18:58] <manpoole> should the alternate install effect wifi drivers?
[18:59] <rocko> How do I free ubuntu. I have gnu icecat, libre linux kernel. is there any thing else I can do to make sure I only install free software
[19:33] <Brad777> Hello all i'm having a small problem where my DE is crashing here is the error log http://pastebin.com/d36541b17
[19:34]  * cody-somerville takes a look.
[19:35] <cody-somerville> Brad777, Whats the output of dmesg | tail ?
[19:37] <Brad777> cody-somerville, http://pastebin.com/d2853c93a
[19:38] <cody-somerville> It appears xfce4-session is segfaulting for some reason
[19:38] <cody-somerville> What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[19:38] <Brad777> cody-somerville, it's really weird because it works until i close the error box at which point Xubuntu goes back to the login screen... I'm using xubuntu 8.10
[19:40] <cody-somerville> Brad777, Whats the output of "ls /var/crash/" ?
[19:40] <Brad777> nothing
[19:41] <cody-somerville> ah, it wouldn't too cause you're running 8.10
[19:41] <cody-somerville> Brad777, so is this issue reproducible? Is there something you can do to make it crash reliably?
[19:42] <Brad777> cody-somerville, not to my knowledge i mean it happens every time i turn on the computer but idk why
[19:42] <Brad777> cody-somerville, well aside from ghosting my setup lol
[19:42] <cody-somerville> Does it happen randomly or everytime you try to login?
[19:43] <Brad777> cody-somerville, after i log in and get to the desktop it shows the message then if i click the OK button it goes back to the login screen
[19:43] <cody-somerville> What message does it show you?
[19:44] <Brad777> the "Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds.  If you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of diskspace.  Try logging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix this problem."
[19:44] <Brad777> I'm 100% sure that i'm not out of diskspace >_>
[19:45] <cody-somerville> It sounds like maybe something in one of your configuration files might be causing xfce4-session to segfault
[19:45] <cody-somerville> Brad777, Do you know how to get a backtrace?
[19:46] <Brad777> cody-somerville, no :-(
[19:46] <cody-somerville> Brad777, Can you move ~/.config to ~/.config.backup and then try logging in again?
[19:47] <Brad777> cody-somerville, sure brb
[20:05] <Brad777> cody-somerville, THANKS that fixed it
[20:41] <J_Litewski> whats the command line name for the xfce terminal?
[20:42] <knome> J_Litewski, xfce4-terminal
[20:43] <J_Litewski> heh
[20:43] <J_Litewski> that was obvious, wasn't it
[20:43] <J_Litewski> lol
[20:44] <Slonkie> not obvious enough apparently ;)
[20:44] <J_Litewski> :P
[20:44] <J_Litewski> i was trying xfce4-term
[20:44] <J_Litewski> i was close
[20:44] <J_Litewski> now, back to deauthing my router
[21:13] <DiecastMessiah> Hailz all
[21:14] <DiecastMessiah> just a small question about gnome and KDE compatible
[21:15] <DiecastMessiah> right now i have Gnome added on... but if i also turn on KDE... would that take away more of my ram . then just picking on X-system over the other
[21:16] <DiecastMessiah> picking one x-system****
[21:17] <DiecastMessiah> pleia2, hey thanks btw for the help the other day
[21:18] <SiDi> DiecastMessiah, if you don't *use* it, then no
[21:18] <SiDi> When you have GNOME, KDE, and XFCE installed, it doesnt mean the 3 run together
[21:18] <SiDi> you just run one session at a time
[21:18] <SiDi> (but if you set XFCE to load the KDE settings then yes it will take *a little* more RAM)
[21:19] <DiecastMessiah> ohhh soo i cannot have gnome and kde programs running at the same time
[21:19] <DiecastMessiah> oh ok
[21:20] <DiecastMessiah> so do you happen to know if i used KDE only would that be least then gnome
[21:20] <pleia2> DiecastMessiah: do you mean the startup services?
[21:20] <DiecastMessiah> yes in the user and groups settings..
[21:20] <pleia2> and when you say "gnome" and "kde" programs, do you mean gnome and kde themselves, or programs which are part of gnome and kde?
[21:22] <DiecastMessiah> well it looks to me it make gnome or kde Programs compilable with Xfce
[21:23] <pleia2> right, some programs won't work if you don't have those services running, others will just be slower to start up
[21:23] <DiecastMessiah> Sidi answer my first question....... now i wondering if i remove the gnome checkmark and put in the KDE will that free up ever more of my ram
[21:23] <pleia2> you can run gnome programs and kde programs at the same time
[21:24] <DiecastMessiah> yes, but Sidi just told me that it would take a bit more ram...
[21:24] <pleia2> yeah
[21:24] <DiecastMessiah> only have 512.. and just running the OS useing about 147mbs of ram
[21:25] <SiDi> DiecastMessiah, it wont free RAM at all
[21:25] <pleia2> I'd play around with it
[21:25] <DiecastMessiah> k thanks guys
[21:25] <SiDi> DiecastMessiah, go to your xfce settings window
[21:25] <pleia2> see what needs those services running, if nothing you use needs them, don't use them :)
[21:25] <SiDi> then "session and boot" -> "advanced" tab
[21:25] <pleia2> just deal with slower startup times
[21:25] <SiDi> and uncheck everything
[21:25] <pleia2> SiDi: that's what he's referring to, I believe
[21:25] <SiDi> DiecastMessiah, installing GNOME/KDE will only take HDD space, unless you use these apps
[21:26] <DiecastMessiah> right sorry not the user and group but session sorry
[21:26] <SiDi> (My Xubuntu takes 1 GB of RAM :D but without swap :x)
[21:27] <DiecastMessiah> well if i uncheck gnome in there i will not be able to run??
[21:27] <DiecastMessiah> or will it start the services if i run a gnome type program
[21:28] <pleia2> DiecastMessiah: some gnome programs require it, some just take longer to start up if it's not there
[21:28] <DiecastMessiah> ohhhh
[21:28] <pleia2> DiecastMessiah: uncheck it, find out how your gnome programs do :)
[21:28] <pleia2> same with KDE
[21:28] <knome> SiDi, how come? i am at about 400
[21:28] <knome> SiDi, megs of rams
[21:29] <DiecastMessiah> yeah like right now .. i have pidgin and x-chat running.. and it only taking 400mbs + 8 mb swap
[21:30] <DiecastMessiah> but i get it now... it just to speed up.... so if my only worry is HD space for the extra KDE
[21:30] <SiDi> knome, dunno :D i think my xorg is hungry
[21:31] <knome> :P
[21:31] <SiDi> well i'm at 500 now
[21:31] <SiDi> with exaile and ff closed
[21:31] <knome> hah
[21:32] <SiDi> i'll reinstall at karmic anyways
[21:32] <knome> ;)
[21:32] <SiDi> this is an old ubuntu, there are a lot of crap packages left
[21:32] <knome> reinstallation is for guys who have time
[21:32] <SiDi> (but i cant get rid of gedit/gnome-terminal :x)
[21:32] <SiDi> neh, i'll keep my home <3
[21:33] <DiecastMessiah> so i guess just to clear up... so can i just remove the gnome program and install kde programs instand .. i like KDE more always did with PClinux OS ... but i changed to ubuntu about month gao... and just a few days ago i gone to xubuntu
[21:33] <knome> SiDi, i think i've upgraded this since feisty or dapper :P
[21:33] <knome> DiecastMessiah, yes, but they will use more resources
[21:34] <SiDi> DiecastMessiah, KDE isn't really an exemple of "light" apps
[21:34] <DiecastMessiah> oh sdo gnome is more lightwight then KDE?
[21:34] <knome> SiDi, and converted from ubuntu in the first place :P
[21:34] <DiecastMessiah> so*
[21:34] <knome> DiecastMessiah, basically kde > gnome > xfce
[21:34] <knome> DiecastMessiah, but that is not always completely true for apps.
[21:35] <SiDi> knome, this ranking is for RAM, not for quality, right ? :D </troll>
[21:35] <pleia2> yeah, you really have to evaluate on an app by app basis
[21:35] <knome> SiDi, d'oh!
[21:35] <DiecastMessiah> k thanks alot guys big help
[21:35] <knome> SiDi, then it would be xfce >>>> gnome and kde wouldn't even be in the same page
[21:35] <knome> ;)
[21:35] <knome> DiecastMessiah, np
[21:36] <SiDi> knome, i actually like some things in gnome :P
[21:37] <knome> SiDi, ehm, like constantly (>5 times per day) disappearing panels?
[21:37] <DiecastMessiah> i love xfce over all to know... it really is alot faster open stuff on my
[21:37] <DiecastMessiah> PC
[21:38] <SiDi> knome, they dont here :p
[21:38] <DiecastMessiah> 1.2 cen 512ram 128 6x agp... but my Mobo only handle 4x lol...
[21:40] <SiDi> Lol :P
[21:41] <SiDi> P8100 / 4GB ram / 8400 GM
[21:41] <knome> hey boys
[21:41] <knome> os is not about hardware
[21:41] <knome> it's about monitor size
[21:41] <knome> 2x24" widescreen
[21:46] <DiecastMessiah> well 19" running 1600x1200 and 31.6 wide (1360x768)
[21:46] <DiecastMessiah> :)
[21:46] <BigMoopies> DiecastMessiah, and you can read that?
[21:46] <DiecastMessiah> ????
[21:47] <DiecastMessiah> read what
[21:47] <BigMoopies> text
[21:47] <BigMoopies> web pages, anything
[21:47] <DiecastMessiah> yeah
[21:47] <BigMoopies> Lordy
[21:47] <DiecastMessiah> i change my font to 96dpi
[21:47] <knome> duh
[21:48] <DiecastMessiah> that normal size that windows always uses
[21:49] <DiecastMessiah> i think that what i had to change to ...
[21:49] <DiecastMessiah> tring to find those settings LOL
[21:49] <BigMoopies> I'd still run 800x600 if web pages would fit it still
[21:49] <DiecastMessiah> yes sans 9 set at 96dpi
[21:49] <BigMoopies> Jesus
[21:49] <BigMoopies> You must strain
[21:50] <DiecastMessiah> nope just good eyes i guess
[21:50] <DiecastMessiah> LOL
[21:51] <DiecastMessiah> i always use 1600x1200 ... well at times i run 1280xect
[21:51] <BigMoopies> I don't notice much difference though in my 1024x768 , and my max at 1440x900
[21:51] <BigMoopies> I thought about cranking it on up
[21:52] <DiecastMessiah> well nooo 1440x900 seems like a wide screen res
[21:52] <BigMoopies> It's a 16:9 monitor
[21:52] <DiecastMessiah> that will look like shit really or have problem with full screen games getting cut off or crap
[21:52] <DiecastMessiah> oh ok
[21:52] <BigMoopies> you aren't supposed to talk like that in the channels lol
[21:53] <DiecastMessiah> what support questions only here?
[21:53] <SiDi> knome, i'm on a lappy, you cheat.
[21:53] <SiDi> 15"
[21:54] <DiecastMessiah> oh sorry i see.. using bad word ..
[21:54] <SiDi> 1440x900 is 16/10 tho
[21:54] <BigMoopies> What's the difference ?
[21:55] <SiDi> it'd look crappy
[21:55] <SiDi> if you put at 16/10 res on a 16/9 screen
[21:55] <BigMoopies> Hm.  It's the monitors recommended res
[21:55] <BigMoopies> So I figure it's "16:10" then
[21:55]  * SiDi got a support question. You are allowed to throw rocks at me, I deserve them : how can i mount my ext4 parts from Intrepid, kernel 2.6.27.11 ?
[21:56]  * SiDi hides.
[21:56] <DiecastMessiah> well you sure... drivers don't always detect the right screen res's for some monitors
[21:56] <BigMoopies> DiecastMessiah, Even Dell tells me to run it at that
[21:56] <SiDi> My nvidia drivers have never been wrong, DiecastMessiah !
[21:56] <SiDi> but my windows drivers have, though.
[21:57] <DiecastMessiah> ok cool
[21:57]  * SiDi is a priest of the Nvidia drivers' resolution detection algorithm cult.
[21:57] <DiecastMessiah> yeah... they drivers pick that info up better...
[21:57] <SiDi> I should open a LP group for this
[21:57] <DiecastMessiah> lol
[21:57] <SiDi> and self-appoint me High Priest Of The Cameleon's Destiny
[21:58] <SiDi> Slonkie, i had another brilliant idea \o/
[21:58] <Slonkie> Lol
[21:58] <Slonkie> you've gotta bring some of your ideas to life
[21:59] <knome> launchpad is for development
[21:59] <knome> ;P
[21:59] <SiDi> knome, :(
[21:59] <SiDi> I can develop an algorithm that find heretics
[21:59] <SiDi> Does it count ?
[21:59] <knome> SiDi, :P
[21:59] <knome> SiDi, so you did get lp/~sidi after all?
[21:59] <SiDi> Yes :)
[21:59] <knome> yay
[21:59] <DiecastMessiah> i know this is off type tottally .. but if anyone like urban terror... i run a server for time to time.... but i gtg .. visiting a friend in the hosptal.. thanks again all ... but anytakers on a game msg me if ya happen to see me here
[21:59] <SiDi> but not ubuntuforums/~sidi :(
[22:00] <knome> yah
[22:00] <SiDi> DiecastMessiah, good luck to your friend. have a nice day
[22:00] <SiDi> (i mean good luck for going better, not for undergoing ur visit !)
[22:00] <knome> ..haha
[22:00] <DiecastMessiah> lol
[22:00] <SiDi> https://launchpad.net/~sidi *hugs*
[22:00] <DiecastMessiah> later
[22:00] <SiDi> (just noticed it was double sense, really didnt mean)
[22:01]  * knome doesn't really have a saturday feeling
[22:01] <SiDi> I have the feeling of having wasted my day
[22:02] <SiDi> didnt even work, while its my only day left for debugging my client
[22:02] <knome> i worked 8 hours today
[22:02] <Slonkie> that is so offtopic
[22:02] <knome> read: played wii, made some food and watched football :P
[22:02] <SiDi> Slonkie, yeh, and they dont even answer the customers ! :( i still dont know for my ext4 part :D
[22:02] <knome> *but* i was at my working place :P
[22:02] <SiDi> knome, doh :)
[22:02] <Slonkie> lol
[22:02] <SiDi> i went to walk the dogs, way too much :( i went to do shopping, too
[22:02] <SiDi> and thats all
[22:03] <knome> hah
[22:03] <SiDi> yeh, its been a boring day
[22:03] <SiDi> i also noticed twinview worked out of the box with HDMI, but no sound with Pulse/GNOME
[22:03] <SiDi> (wasnt my lappy :o)
[22:03] <knome> right
[22:03] <knome> need to go to sleep
[22:03] <SiDi> good night then
[22:03] <knome> i have to be at my working place in 7 hours watching the telly
[22:03] <knome> see you!
[22:10] <bitsbam> hey all
[22:11] <bitsbam> where is a place that i can learn about what is new in Jaunty for Xubuntu?
[22:11] <SiDi> bitsbam, basically, its the same as for Ubuntu
[22:12] <SiDi> except that we have XFCE 4.6 instead of GNOME 2.26
[22:12] <SiDi> and we wont push the new notification right now
[22:12] <SiDi> (but it can be set to work under Xubuntu 8.10, thus no reason for it not to work under 9.04)
[22:12] <SiDi> XFCE 4.6 introduces some changes in xfce's settings window though
[22:15] <bitsbam> how about samba support? xfce and thunar able to do well browsing samba shares?
[22:16] <bitsbam> i am asking because i am usually on ubuntu or arch, but i have a box that i want to set up for the kids.
[22:16] <bitsbam> xfce4 would be perfect
[22:18] <medoctron> bitsbam have you thought about using pyNeighborhood?
[22:20] <SiDi> bitsbam, jaunty has gigolo now
[22:20] <SiDi> i didnt test it but it seems to do its job
[22:20] <SiDi> either, pyNeighboorhood works
[22:20] <SiDi> (and nautilus too :P)
[22:20] <Slonkie> And then there's the few of us for which none of them works
[22:21] <SiDi> Slonkie, configure ur win network ? :D
[22:21] <bitsbam> thats cool
[22:21] <medoctron> :D
[22:21] <bitsbam> look forward to trying it out
[22:21] <Slonkie> lol it works fine when i'm trying to access it from an windows computer
[22:22] <Slonkie> well going xubuntu on my mediacenter soon too, so i'll be using nfs by then
[22:30] <bitsbam> i don't really need to share via samba, just browse.
[23:08] <slow-motion> hi
[23:08] <J_Litewski> hey
[23:09] <slow-motion> hi J_Litewski
[23:09] <etank> umm .. so where is the shutdown option in xubuntu?
[23:10] <slow-motion> is it possible to check what "size" a memory chip in an usb-stick really has. to check if it is a facked chip or something?
[23:10] <etank> i can log out and then shutdown from the login screen
[23:10] <etank> but not when i am logged in and at the desktop
[23:11] <slow-motion> right click on the gray bar on your screen and add the object
[23:13] <etank> slow-motion: which object?
[23:14] <slow-motion> the one to shut down your pc
[23:14] <etank> Action Buttons is already there but there isnt an option to shutdown or restart
[23:14] <slow-motion> right click on the button and change the options.
[23:15] <etank> there is "Quit", "Lock Screen", and "Quit + Lock Screen"
[23:15] <etank> Quit acts as a logout
[23:15] <slow-motion> take quit
[23:16] <slow-motion> hm
[23:16] <etank> it still doesnt give an option to Shutdown or Restart though
[23:16] <etank> i have to do it from the login screen (assuming gdm)
[23:17] <etank> im pretty sure it was there when i installed last night
[23:17] <slow-motion> cant really help
[23:17] <etank> wondering if this is from a recent update
[23:20] <J_Litewski> speaking of updates, how would i install the Release Canadate if i'm running the Beta?
[23:21] <etank> should be 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade'
[23:22] <etank> J_Litewski: if you are up to date on pathces and updates then you are already running what is in the RC
[23:22] <etank> (someone correct me if i am wrong please)
[23:36] <SiDi> update && upgrade && if needed reboot, and redo first step
[23:36] <SiDi> then dist-upgrade
[23:36] <SiDi> then update && upgrade && reboot
[23:37] <SiDi> and going from beta to rc is just a normal update
[23:37] <SiDi> well, update-manager handles it anyways
[23:38] <deadlyallance189> what is the going rate for data recovery
[23:39]  * SiDi doesn't say Hello either, then.