[00:00] <Halow> Yeah, OSD doesn't follow the notifcation area at all.
[00:02] <_akahige_> BUGabundo: I installed Firefox 3.5 from synaptic, but it didn't replace 3.0.x, which is still installed and running. dumb question, but what am I missing...?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> of course not
[00:03] <BUGabundo> they are installed both in parelel
[00:03] <BUGabundo> $ firefox-3.5
[00:03] <BUGabundo> that will start FF 3.5 for you _akahige_
[00:03] <mrwes> couldn't he use a symbolic link?
[00:04] <BUGabundo> what for?
[00:04] <BUGabundo> what it to be default?
[00:04] <mrwes> yah
[00:04] <BUGabundo> galternatives ?
[00:04] <_akahige_> what's going to be best for the upgrade path?
[00:05] <nxnn14> Hi, I recently installed 9.04 and am having trouble with crashing when using mysql
[00:05] <BUGabundo> upgrade for what?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: is there a bug for it on launchpad?
[00:05] <_akahige_> BUGabundo: 3.0 to 3.5
[00:05] <BUGabundo> bug 359885
[00:05] <BUGabundo> _akahige_: guess the usual ?
[00:06] <nxnn14> bugabaundo: I have not looked to see if there is, should I do that? It crashes in a few different ways also
[00:06] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: humm not my area, but LP would be a good starting point
[00:06] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: was it a fresh install?
[00:06] <nxnn14> ok
[00:07] <nxnn14> ya
[00:07] <_akahige_> BUGabundo: if 3.5 is stable (and in my experience, it's been vastly better than 3.0), I'd have thought the PTB would have only installed version, like they did with the 3.0 beta
[00:07] <BUGabundo> _akahige_: wrong
[00:08] <_akahige_> BUGabundo: obviously.  :)
[00:08] <BUGabundo> hardy got 3.0b because of LTS
[00:08] <BUGabundo> 3 years support would be impossible to be done for 2.x
[00:08] <BUGabundo> jaunty is 18 month support and 3.5 is in Universe
[00:09] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: it was a fresh install with the beta
[00:09] <_akahige_> but it got it in beta and the beta replaced 2.0.x, as I recall. didn't install them in parallel
[00:09] <BUGabundo> plus 3.5 is still beta, and with no known release date
[00:09] <BUGabundo> _akahige_: too long for me to remember.... I already used 3.x back then
[00:10] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: what happens? give me more details, please
[00:10] <_akahige_> me, too. no worries.
[00:10] <BUGabundo> and run $ubuntu-bug mysql
[00:11] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: humm 4.1 or 5.0?
[00:13] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: not sure, sorry so I am importing a rather large database using the source command, around 5 gb, and it continually crashes after a gb or so. Sometimes it just freezes and sometimes it completely shutoffs and restarts
[00:14] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: I also find that firefox crashes a lot as well say once every 10 webpage loads or so
[00:14] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: $ apt-cache policy mysql-server-4.1
[00:14] <BUGabundo> and
[00:14] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: $ apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0
[00:14] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: have you run a mem test and fsck recently??
[00:14] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: I also tried running the file in the failsafe terminal and it crashed then too so I figure it is specifically mysql
[00:15] <nxnn14> BUGabundo:  am right now actully
[00:15] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: what do those commands do?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> let me know what version do you have
[00:15] <BUGabundo>   !paste ! nxnn14
[00:15] <BUGabundo>   !paste | nxnn14
[00:15] <BUGabundo> ianc: nay
[00:15] <mrwes> heh
[00:15] <nxnn14> oooooooooooooo, 5.0 didn't realize that is what you meant earlier
[00:16] <BUGabundo> s/nay/hay
[00:16] <mrwes> blah even
[00:16] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: test mem and disk
[00:16] <BUGabundo> if data inport fails again, file a bug
[00:17] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: gotcha will try that and let you know
[00:20] <thiebaude> hi BUGabundo
[00:21] <BUGabundo> hey
[00:22] <Twigathy> woo, and even pulse didn't break on upgrade.
[00:23] <Twigathy> mpd did though, though there was a workaround. (bug #357385)
[00:32] <sebsebseb> hi
[00:37] <BUGabundo> sebsebseb: hi
[00:37] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: :)
[00:38] <patapouf_> Hi All, I'm using Jaunty for quite a while (since Alpha4). I'm running it on my ThinkPad T43p. I experience a performance issue with the 3D acceleration. I know that I'm using 'radeon' driver so I might expect low performance with 2D and 3D, but it's sems that my soundcard ans my video card are interconnected !! For every 3D animation, my music stop for some ms. Do any body experience this problem ?
[00:39] <rlaager> patapouf_: I don't know anything at all about your card, but in general, if it's doing 3D in software, it could be maxing out your CPU.
[00:39] <patapouf_> rlaager: my card is a Radeon Mobility X300, so it's not supported by fglrz anymore. :(
[00:40] <patapouf_> rlaager: is there anyway to tweak the driver so that 3D animation get lower priority ?
[00:40] <Twigathy> hm, might have found a vlc bug - I used to be able to doubleclick the video window and have it fullscreen on that window
[00:40] <Twigathy> Now it just fullscreens to the right hand screen
[00:40] <Twigathy> sorry, fulscreen on that screen. (Xinerama/twinview/nvidia)
[00:41] <Twigathy> Anyone run into this?
[00:41] <dan457> I 'm using twinview, not xinerama, and don't have that issue.
[00:42] <Twigathy> hm
[00:42] <dan457> even using compiz with no problems
[00:42] <dan457> 9800GT.  though.
[00:42] <Twigathy> ah, yep, "Xinerama" "0" in my xorg.conf..
[00:43] <Twigathy> 9600GT here
[00:43] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: I see something similar with you tube vids
[00:43] <dan457> I've tried xenerama, more stable with just twinview
[00:43] <BUGabundo> set full screen and it will go to the wrong monitor
[00:46] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: hm, odd. Oh well. I can live with using my other screen for videos, but it's a little annoying c_c
[00:47] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: yeah
[00:47] <BUGabundo> if you happen to file a bug, let me know
[00:47] <Twigathy> well... I don't think it's a bug, it's probably some arcane set of flags in several config files which need setting up properly ;)
[00:50] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: http://jbopensrc.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/quickfix-vlc-fullscreen-dual-monitor-wrong-monitor/ sound slike it should work but does not
[00:52] <bhuey> folks, I'm having a problem with the NVidia configuration in that the screen that comes up is blank and my monitor doesn't see a signal
[00:53] <bhuey> I don't see any errors that are meaningful with the X log, but I don't know what the procedure for this is in this prerelease
[00:53] <bhuey> Anybody know the procedure to set up the NVidia binary driver for X ?
[00:54] <BUGabundo> bhuey: after normal boot or suspend/hibernte resume?
[00:54] <bhuey> after normal boot
[00:54] <BUGabundo> NV driver ?
[00:54] <bhuey> I do a manual star of the gdm
[00:54] <bhuey> It's loaded into the kernel
[00:54] <BUGabundo> or nvidia one?
[00:54] <BUGabundo> ok then it's a bug
[00:54] <bhuey> I can tell from the lsmod, yes, nvidia
[00:54] <BUGabundo> what GPU card?
[00:54] <bhuey> not sure
[00:55] <BUGabundo> you don't know your card?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> $ lspci |grep vga
[00:55] <BUGabundo> $ lspci |grep VGA
[00:55] <bhuey> GeForce 6600 GT
[00:56] <BUGabundo> o install the closed driver just use Hardware Drivers on Systeam->Admin
[00:56] <bhuey> I did it manually
[00:56] <Tefad> Ti4400 woooo
[00:56] <BUGabundo> s/o/to/
[00:56] <bhuey> the driver is install
[00:56] <bhuey> glx is 180
[00:56] <bhuey> those components are in
[00:56] <BUGabundo> bhuey: humm manually? apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 ?
[00:56] <bhuey> yeah, but it already was installed
[00:56] <BUGabundo> have you run $ nvidia-xconfig ?
[00:57] <bhuey> I have nvidia-settings already installed
[00:57] <bhuey> BUGabundo: yes
[00:57] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:57] <bhuey> it's a different config than the regular one
[00:57] <BUGabundo> so it's a nvidia bug!
[00:57] <bhuey> ok
[00:57] <BUGabundo> that's gonna be hard to fix
[00:57] <BUGabundo> do have another machine in the same network?
[00:57] <bhuey> no
[00:58] <BUGabundo> if so , you could try to ssh to your PC and see the reason of not working
[00:58] <bhuey> BUGabundo: this is not a problem with the configuration then, right ?
[00:58] <BUGabundo> ok, file a bug, and let X devs take of it
[00:58] <BUGabundo> not sure
[00:58] <bhuey> BUGabundo: I'm sshed now :)
[00:58] <bhuey> o
[00:58] <BUGabundo> lolol
[00:58] <bhuey> should I reinstall all of it
[00:58] <bhuey> BUGabundo: I'm not a noob
[00:58] <BUGabundo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingX
[00:58] <BUGabundo> oh
[00:58] <bhuey> although I play one on TV
[00:58] <BUGabundo> we never know who is on the other side
[00:59] <bhuey> I'm a kerne developer :)
[00:59] <BUGabundo> on tv? like as in actor?
[00:59] <bhuey> kernel
[00:59] <bhuey> BUGabundo: just joking about the acting
[00:59] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:59] <bhuey> but I am a developer
[00:59] <BUGabundo> then my advice is to go to #ubuntu-x
[00:59] <BUGabundo> and ask there
[01:00] <bhuey> BUGabundo: the regular configuration works otherwise
[01:00] <BUGabundo> you should get better feedback, since you know what you are doing
[01:00] <bhuey> but I'd like to get the actual nvidia driver installed and functional
[01:00] <BUGabundo> "works for me" on 8400
[01:00] <bhuey> ok thanks
[01:00] <BUGabundo> let us know how it goes
[01:00] <BUGabundo> and if you file a bug, also let me know, so I can track it for other users
[01:02] <bhuey> BUGabundo: no reply yet, but I'll wait
[01:03] <DanaG> heh, gotta' love notify-osd.
[01:03] <DanaG> "Home"
[01:03] <DanaG> "network connected"
[01:03] <DanaG> No icon.
[01:03] <DanaG> Isn't it supposed to show an icon?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> DanaG: there was a bug about that
[01:05] <BUGabundo> its supposed to be fix
[01:05] <BUGabundo> DanaG: UM lagging on your side?
[01:05] <DanaG> Note that I am using Tangerine icons.
[01:06] <BUGabundo> bhuey: usual stuff for that (and other core) channels
[01:06] <nycerine> hey, is there any "known" bug regarding fglrx with 9.04 that slows down resizing / opening / maximizing etc windows?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> DanaG: bug then ?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> DanaG: see if it works for human
[01:06] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: So, I ran memtest, I have 2 gbs of ram and got some errors when I ran them together, however, they each passed fine individually, what does that mean?
[01:08] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: hummm the need to run again, a longer test?
[01:08] <BUGabundo> or that they are/were not correctly put in place
[01:09] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: ok so run them again together? should i change the test, if so what should i change
[01:09] <DanaG> BUGabundo: works with Human.
[01:10] <BUGabundo> DanaG: file bug on theme (and maybe add notifications tag)
[01:10] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: check the longer test
[01:10] <BUGabundo> I fail to recall its name
[01:10] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: with both sticks installed?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> and make sure mems are correcly put in place
[01:10] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: yeah, try both
[01:10] <nxnn14> ok
[01:11] <nxnn14> ok
[01:11] <BUGabundo> since that was what failled
[01:11] <BUGabundo> so your bug was most prob mem fail
[01:12] <DanaG> oh, new updates today.
[01:13] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: bit fade test?>
[01:13] <mint3> they even updated update manager
[01:13] <nxnn14> it says its 90 min
[01:16] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: anything you find interesing
[01:16] <BUGabundo> 90mins sounds short
[01:16] <BUGabundo> mine took 3h
[01:17] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: wow, the first one was only 30 for both and like 20 min each
[01:17] <macman_> guys .. ever since jaunty i noticed a big performance issue
[01:17] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: fast machine?
[01:18] <BUGabundo> macman_: isn't that good ?
[01:18] <macman_> BUGabundo: i mean as far as laggy
[01:18] <macman_> firefox is going slow etc ..
[01:18] <patapouf_> macman_: well... if you can reinstall it from scratch, you will be fix if it's your update that cause the problem.
[01:18] <macman_> ok
[01:18] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: somewhat, but nothing too nice lol
[01:18] <macman_> patapouf_: i have a windows paritition i want to save .. how can i back that up ?
[01:19] <patapouf_> macman_: but if you can do it on a seperate drive (to don't loose your config) it's a good idea
[01:19] <BUGabundo> patapouf_: full reinstall is not always the solution
[01:19] <BUGabundo> we should 1st try to find the reason for them
[01:19] <macman_>  ./dev/sda2   *        9633       11661    16297942+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[01:19] <patapouf_> BUGabundo: I know, we start the discussion on #ubuntu
[01:20] <BUGabundo> ok
[01:20] <BUGabundo> no thread in here
[01:20] <BUGabundo> hehe
[01:20] <patapouf_> BUGabundo: macman_ think the problem is related to it's upgrade (my self I don't think so)
[01:20] <nxnn14> BUGabundo:  do i need a live disk to do the fsck?
[01:20] <BUGabundo> macman_: do you have another disk or PC?
[01:20] <BUGabundo> if som try clonezilla
[01:20] <macman_> BUGabundo: no .. just this one
[01:20] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: you can do it from recovery console
[01:21] <BUGabundo> but livecd is always better
[01:21] <BUGabundo> macman_: no disk? then how do you plan to make the backups to??
[01:21] <macman_> just 1 laptop dual booting xp and ubuntu
[01:21] <BUGabundo> DVD?
[01:21] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: ok, so i should do it with live cd then? or is it ok for the recovery console?
[01:21] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: RC is okayish
[01:21] <patapouf_> macman_: I have an idea for you, start with the livecd
[01:22] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: nice answer :)
[01:22] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:22] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: fixed my vlc problem ;0
[01:22] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: only one partition ?
[01:22] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: how?
[01:22] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: two, i have home seperate
[01:22] <BUGabundo> maybe its fixes mine
[01:22] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: some hidden options in the vlc conf
[01:22] <BUGabundo> ahh
[01:22] <BUGabundo> but mine was on Firefox
[01:22] <Twigathy> if you goto advanced mode, video outputs you can select the screen :)
[01:22] <Twigathy> yeah, don't know about firefox...
[01:22] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: wait! Display = 0 ?
[01:22] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: also i just bought a new HDD around a month ago, so it should be fine, the memory may be the issue tho
[01:23] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: nope, display=1 :o
[01:23] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: just check everything... bad mem could get you bad data
[01:23] <Dougshell> hey guys...im having trouhble finding changes in jaunty that are not gnome related
[01:23] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: no... 1 sets on secondary screen
[01:23] <Twigathy> oh hey, interesting. If I fullscreen a youtube vid of the right hand display ff dies :D
[01:23] <Dougshell> is most everything under the hood
[01:23] <Twigathy> *on
[01:23] <BUGabundo> you want in Primary, right?
[01:23] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: see, now I'm not sure. ;)
[01:24] <Twigathy> I'll have a closer look tomorrow
[01:24] <BUGabundo> ping me back Twigathy
[01:24] <Twigathy> ok
[01:24] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: ok will do, is it a bad idea to do the disk check in the recovery console, like what could go wrong
[01:24] <BUGabundo> I have to go to bed too
[01:24] <swayed> Hi - If I download the "jaunty-desktop-i386.iso" - Is this a new build everyday even though the name of file would stay the same ? ?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: nothing go wrong
[01:24] <BUGabundo> but if u are using the disk, it may not be able to fix everything
[01:25] <BUGabundo> I usualy set ti manually to RO
[01:25] <BUGabundo> but that's too advanced for most users
[01:25] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: ok, sounds good what if the memory and hdd turn out ok, any ideas?
[01:25] <BUGabundo> swayed: if you got it from cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live, YES
[01:25] <BUGabundo> nxnn14: 1st test
[01:25] <BUGabundo> then conculusions
[01:25] <Dougshell> also what is teh best way to update to ext4...but also get performance gains on old files
[01:26] <nxnn14> BUGabundo: i know i know, :) i am just impatient
[01:26] <Dougshell> just copy paste delete copy paste?
[01:26] <BUGabundo> macman_: so you want to nuke your current ubuntu install and keep windows?
[01:26] <Dougshell> because you only see increase in performance on newly written files correct
[01:27] <BUGabundo> Dougshell: force fsck and otuche  every file
[01:27] <BUGabundo> bed time!
[01:27] <swayed> BUGabundo, Cool - will check it out. Place I got my last .iso was from - < http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ >
[01:27] <Dougshell> what.?
[01:27] <BUGabundo> ping / dent / memo / email me anything you guys need...
[01:28] <BUGabundo> bye
[01:28] <Dougshell> sorry how would i do that
[01:28] <Dougshell> and how long would it take on say 500gb of data
[01:28] <BUGabundo> Dougshell: man fsck.ext4
[01:28] <Dougshell> ok and what about the touch
[01:28] <BUGabundo> hours... many many hours
[01:28] <BUGabundo> man touch ?
[01:28] <BUGabundo> ehe
[01:28] <rlaager> Dougshell: I read in the ext4 wiki that some of the gains can only happen with a reformat. If you want to go all the way, you're going to have to copy the data off, reformat, and copy back. Personally, I'm going to wait a bit.
[01:29] <cwillu> rlaager, there's not much though
[01:29] <Dougshell> the longer you wait wont change that
[01:29] <cwillu> rlaager, you can turn on extents without reloading
[01:29] <rlaager> Dougshell: I'm waiting for safety reasons.
[01:29] <cwillu> and delayed allocation doesn't need anything at all
[01:29] <Dougshell> well i mean it gives me an excuse  to seperate home and / partitions
[01:29] <Dougshell> its just i dont want to have to do all my addons again
[01:29] <Dougshell> cause i really suck and compiling from source and stuff like that
[01:30] <rlaager> cwillu: I know. It's only flex_bg that requires a reformat, I think.
[01:30] <Dougshell> are there situations in which ext3 is better then ext4 or is it an upgrade all around
[01:30] <Dougshell> flex_bg?
[01:31] <rlaager> cwillu: But if someone is asking about performance for old files too, they probably want to go all the way with it. Reformatting also implicitly defragments everything.
[01:31] <Dougshell> also i have a question tha tmay not be entirely jaunty related...i haev a no gui boot...and i notice now i see a print out of a misuse of mkdir in my bootup
[01:31] <cwillu> Dougshell, if you run applications that hard-code in some assumptions about ext3's journalling behaviour, and they've been living in a cave for the last 10 years, then ext3 can be safer
[01:32] <Dougshell> like its telling me how to properly use mkdir
[01:32] <cwillu> rlaager, so does a dist-upgrade :p
[01:32] <Dougshell> so maybe i have a bad script or somethign
[01:32] <Dougshell> how do i find out...
[01:32] <cwillu> rlaager, (any time a package is upgraded, everything except its config files are being rewritten)
[01:32] <cwillu> and config files aren't going to gain much from extents
[01:33] <rlaager> cwillu: Dougshell doesn't have 500GB of stuff installed from packages.
[01:34] <Dougshell> no its mostily movies and music
[01:35] <rlaager> Also, FWIW, in my testing, ext4 was not creating contiguous files after a reformat, even when being told the size via fallocate().
[01:35] <mrwes> anyone else notice the notification area does not resize itself when icons are removed?
[01:35] <mrwes> leaving blank spaces
[01:37] <mrwes> er
[01:37] <Dougshell> so what the only way is to back everythign up to hdd, switch to ext4dev or ext4 then copy everything back over
[01:37] <Dougshell> and then every time a file is modified it becomes ext4 correct
[01:38] <cwillu> Dougshell no. Any time a new file is written, it's written using extents
[01:38] <cwillu> there's no such thing as an 'ext4' file though
[01:38] <nxnn14> I am running memtest with 2 gb of ram. Each stick passes fine on their own, but when in toghether there are lots of errors
[01:38] <nxnn14> any ideas?
[01:38] <Dougshell> oh
[01:38] <Dougshell> jsut liek there is no ext3 file
[01:38] <cwillu> pretty much
[01:39] <Dougshell> its a extends file with the 3rd iteration of extends being used
[01:39] <Dougshell> ok ..so what is the best way to get thi sdone without a reinstall
[01:39] <Dougshell> (which I may still do...)
[01:39] <cwillu> only ext4 features that ext3 can handle, and ext4 features that ext3 _can't_ handle
[01:39] <Dougshell> i just want the faster boot time and faster fsck
[01:39] <cwillu> faster boot time will come from installing updates normally
[01:39] <maxflax> whats the deal with offing the extra effects in compiz?
[01:40] <cwillu> faster fsck needs a new partition to enable the feature
[01:40] <Dougshell> also i dont have seperate home and / partitons
[01:40] <Dougshell> so can i not even upgarde to ext4 inplace
[01:40] <Dougshell> maybe a reinstll is best
[01:40] <Dougshell> im about to deploy anyways...so i might as well do all the updates i can and get this thing ready for deployment
[01:42] <alteregoa> high
[01:42] <alteregoa> can i update to rc1 with a software raid5 without editing fstab?
[01:43] <maxflax> no one that have any idea why the burn,beam ect effects is gone in the Jaunty compiz?
[01:44] <nxnn14> I am having some trouble with crashing so am running memtest with 2 gb of ram. Each stick passes fine on their own, but when in together there are lots of errors, any ideas?
[01:44] <cwillu> maxflax, have you install compiz-fusion-plugins-extras and/or compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported?
[01:44] <rlaager> nxnn14: Are you testing with them in one slot but with both you're using two slots?
[01:44] <maxflax> cwillu - yes
[01:44] <nxnn14> rlaager:  my first thought, but no, each left in its own slot when alone
[01:45] <alteregoa> is 7gb enough free space for update?
[01:46] <cwillu> maxflax, because I'm looking at compizconfig animiations add-on, and I see burn and beam
[01:46] <maxflax> cwillu - But I belive that they should be in the main plugins thou
[01:46] <maxflax> cwillu - I had them before doing the upgrade to jaunty
[01:46] <Tefad> nxnn14: you have dual channel enabled or something?
[01:47] <cwillu> maxflax, "no one that have any idea why the burn,beam ect effects is gone in the Jaunty compiz?"
[01:47] <nxnn14> Tefad:  what do you mean?
[01:47] <maxflax> cwillu - after the Jaunty upgrade the options to select extra effects was gone
[01:47] <cwillu> maxflax, what are you talking about?
[01:48] <cwillu> appearances still has 'extra', but that's not how you go about turning on things like burn and beam
[01:48] <Dougshell> hey where is the boot log stored...like if there is an error in the boot where can i look at it...it flies by to fast fo rme to read
[01:48] <maxflax> cwillu - The compiz effects on minimize and ect
[01:49] <maxflax> cwillu - Like the burn and beam effect is gone
[01:49] <cwillu> maxflax, where?
[01:49] <cwillu> what panel are you looking at?
[01:49] <maxflax> effects
[01:50] <cwillu> appearances | effects never had the ability to select particular effects
[01:50] <cwillu> unless you're talking about the compiz-configurator, which isn't installed by default
[01:50] <cwillu> (compiz-config-settings-manager I think it's called)
[01:50] <Dougshell> anyone>
[01:51] <cwillu> Dougshell, /var/log/dmesg
[01:51] <Dougshell> i just want to read what it is saying about mkdir every time i boot
[01:51] <maxflax> cwillu - yes the compizconfig
[01:51] <cwillu> maxflax, the setting is still there, as long as you have the plugins packages installed
[01:51] <maxflax> cwillu - I have the plugins packages installed
[01:51] <Dougshell> cat /var/log/dmesg | head ?
[01:51] <cwillu> maxflax, system | preferences | CompizConfig Settings Manager
[01:52] <alteregoa> heh
[01:52] <alteregoa> in fstab ther is a ext3 drive, how can i convert or mount it as ext4?
[01:52] <cwillu> !ext4
[01:52] <cwillu> alteregoa, the release notes have a link regarding that
[01:53] <cwillu> alteregoa, you really want to read the known issues first though
[01:53] <maxflax> cwillu - So you have the burn and beam effects available in jaunty?
[01:53] <cwillu> maxflax, I already told you, animations add-on in ccsm
[01:53] <Dougshell> ok what im looking for is not in there
[01:54] <Dougshell> basically i see some info about mkdir in my boot...almost as if i typed the command in improperly. and its trying to tell me the correct usage
[01:54] <cwillu> Dougshell, not head, unless you only want to see the last 10 lines
[01:54] <Dougshell> what woudl call that
[01:54] <Dougshell> head would be first 10 i thoguht
[01:54] <Dougshell> tail is last 10
[01:54] <Dougshell> right?
[01:54] <cwillu> either way, there's alot more than 10 relevant lines
[01:54] <Dougshell> either wayt its not showing what im looking for
[01:54] <Dougshell> do you understand what im looking for>
[01:55] <Dougshell> ?
[01:55] <cwillu> Dougshell, have you looked through the file though?
[01:55] <cwillu> not just the head?
[01:55] <Dougshell> yes
[01:55] <maxflax> cwillu - I would happily enable that in the ccsm but the option is gone in Jaunty , I had it there in Intrepeid - so why is it gone?
[01:56] <Dougshell> its not in there
[01:56] <cwillu> maxflax, if you have compiz-fusion-plugins-extras installed, then it's there
[01:56] <cwillu> if you don't have it installed, it's not
[01:56] <cwillu> Dougshell, can you be more specific as to when it shows up?
[01:56] <Dougshell> ok....
[01:56] <Dougshell> as im booting
[01:57] <Dougshell> i have no splash
[01:57] <Dougshell> so i see the raw boot process
[01:57] <Dougshell> it says please wait...
[01:57] <maxflax> I can double check but Im 100% certain that I have installed the package .. checking brb
[01:57] <Dougshell> then abunch of stuff about mkdir and how to use the command and differnt use cases fly by
[01:57] <Dougshell> like when yo uuse a command wrong
[01:57] <Dougshell> and it tells you how to use it
[01:57] <DanaG> Something odd: I just tried opensolaris livecd... and they include the nvidia binary driver!
[01:57] <Dougshell> its like that
[01:58] <DanaG> That's what a non-GPL OS gives you.  =þ
[01:58] <Dougshell> so it has me thinking tha tI have a script installed that has a bad implementation of mkdir
[01:58] <Dougshell> and i need to find out why and where
[01:58] <cwillu> maxflax, I'm running jaunty, and am looking at the setting right now, and am looking at the list of files that compiz-fusion-plugins-extra installs, which includes that plugin
[01:58] <cwillu> :p
[02:00] <Dougshell> think i found it
[02:00] <Dougshell> looked in etc/init.d foudn the only two scripts in ther emade by me..only one had mkdir
[02:00] <maxflax> cwillu I got compiz-fusion-plugins-extra 0.8.2 installed but no animations addons
[02:00] <Dougshell> rebooting to verify success
[02:01] <maxflax> cwillu - Are u running 32 or 64bits?
[02:02] <maxflax> saw now on forum that Im not the only one.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1103516
[02:03] <maxflax> but no explaination for it is given there
[02:08] <dn4> Does anyone know where I can get ahold of a bootable iso of jaunty for x86
[02:08] <dn4> got it
[02:10] <DanaG> hah: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/357218
[02:10] <Skapare> dn4: online?
[02:10] <rm```> LOL
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[02:12] <DanaG> is online
[02:12] <DanaG> is online
[02:12] <DanaG> =þ
[02:12] <histo> Is it possible to x forward a 3d app?  Or is displaying of hte app purely handled on the client side?
[02:13] <myk_robinson> what just happened? I ran updates, and now I cannot enable desktop effects. I am on a laptop with Intel 965GMA graphics
[02:13] <KyleK> DanaG: so whats the fix for that? open it up in gimp and just save it?
[02:13] <DKcross> Go ubuntu!:D
[02:13] <DKcross> got ubuntu?
[02:14] <DanaG> myk_robinson: you read the changelogs?
[02:14] <DanaG> aptitude changelog compiz
[02:14] <DanaG> on command line.
[02:14] <myk_robinson> no, lemme look.
[02:14] <DanaG> I make it a policy to always check changelogs.  =þ
[02:14] <myk_robinson> didnt know that command :)
[02:14] <DanaG> I'm a bit obsessive-compulsive about it.
[02:15] <DanaG> you can also use that to check changelogs ahead of time.
[02:15] <myk_robinson> okay, blacklist GM965 until the freeze with the intel driver is fixed.
[02:15] <myk_robinson> How can I revert back to the previous?
[02:15] <DanaG> so you'd have to add the SKIP_CHECKS thing.
[02:16] <myk_robinson> here's the lines in question
[02:16] <myk_robinson> * debian/patches/028_compiz_manager_blacklist:
[02:16] <myk_robinson>     - blacklist GM965 (8086:2a02) until the freeze with the intel
[02:16] <myk_robinson>       driver is fixed (LP: #359392)
[02:16] <DanaG> ~/config/compiz/compiz-manager:
[02:16] <DanaG> SKIP_CHECKS = yes
[02:17] <maxflax> i dont really feel like having to do a clean install of it all just because the upgrade made the animation addons  for compiz disapear!! anyone got a solution
[02:17] <myk_robinson> DanaG: I dont have this file
[02:17]  * dn4 is going to do an install PC Desktop on an HP Pavilion a347x
[02:17] <DanaG> make one.  =þ
[02:18] <DanaG> It's a simple text file, with just that one line.
[02:18] <myk_robinson> thanks
[02:18] <myk_robinson> should the path for ~/config be ~/.config ?
[02:18] <DanaG> yeah.
[02:18] <DanaG> I copied that bit from a google result; the page was wrong.  Good catch!
[02:19] <myk_robinson> okay, now do I just need to log out and back in?
[02:20] <KyleK> is jaunty net installable?
[02:20] <DanaG> actually, you should be able to just alt-f2, and compiz --replace
[02:21] <myk_robinson> still getting desktop effects cannot be enabled.
[02:21] <dn4> Does anyone have a picture of what Jaunty Jackalope looks like
[02:21] <DanaG> I think SKIP_CHECKS is case-sensitive.
[02:21] <myk_robinson> the terminal is giving reference to that file, I will double check it
[02:29] <unko> hey guys. how do i get the "new" ati drivers like the open source ones...
[02:43] <dn4> to bad there are no torrents for the RC
[02:44] <rlaager> dn4: There are, right next to the HTTP downloads as always.
[02:46] <dn4> I stand corrected
[02:46] <dn4> Most excellent
[02:46] <dn4> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso.torrent  <--- DOWNLOAD
[02:54] <pwnguin> i think its time to dist-upgrade
[02:54] <pwnguin> and avoid the "new release
[02:54] <pwnguin> and avoid the "new release" rush
[02:56] <unko> hey guys... are the new ati drivers like built into ubuntu 9.04? like the new open source ati drivers
[02:57] <DanaG> unko: there's a PPA (personal package archive) with newer ATI open-source drivers.
[02:58] <unko> DanaG, WHERE!!
[02:58] <DanaG> !g tormodvolden ppa
[02:58] <DanaG> er
[02:58] <DanaG> where's my /google plugin?  =þ
[02:58] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+archive/ppa
[02:58] <DanaG> there.
[03:04] <unko> thanks
[03:09] <CrocoJet> I was trying install "wallpaper-tray" but I think is not working in ubuntu 9.04. Someone knows other program to change wallpapers in random mode?
[03:15] <adelie42> sorry, I really hate this change. how do I re-enable ctrl-alt-backspace, and ctrl-alt-f1?
[03:17] <zed> the red updates available icon doesnt appear when i have updates ready to install
[03:17] <zed> is that normal on 9.04 ?
[03:19] <zed> ya know the one that appears in notification area top right
[03:19] <zed> no one use 9.04 ?
[03:19] <adelie42> I think they finish downloading first
[03:19] <zed> nah mine are set just to notify
[03:19] <zed> in 8.10 soon as apt-get update finished it would show the icon
[03:24] <DanaG> That lack of update notification is "to clean up things abusing the notification area" -- as if update..... notifications.... are abusing the .... notification.... area.
[03:24] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/332945
[03:25] <DanaG> fix released? bull.
[03:29] <QPrime> DanaG: That is one change that I disagree with... if there is one app that has every right to use the notification area its the update notifier.  Most of the other changes I've come around to agree with, but this one I still think is silly.  :(
[03:30] <DanaG> To me, anything that pops up without me initiating it, earns an immediate "**** OFF AND DIE!" response.
[03:30] <DanaG> It doesn't matter what that thing is.
[03:31] <QPrime> DanaG: I tend to agree.
[03:38] <un2him> will there be any new artwork in jaunty final? I am using rc now
[03:39] <_dan_> some new backgrounds are in
[03:43] <zed> ok found the fix for update notifier
[03:43] <zed> i should of just googled to start with
[03:43] <un2him> how is dual monitor support in jaunty?
[03:51] <anxiolytic> I upgraded to Jaunty. Everything works perfectly except for the weirdest problem I've ever had in my life. Sound comes from somewhere inside my computer instead of my speakers
[03:51] <anxiolytic> It's scratchy and low, but I can pretty much listen to anything - but I have no idea where the sound is coming from
[03:52] <anxiolytic> perhaps my dvd drive
[03:52] <QPrime> anxiolytic: pc speaker
[03:52] <anxiolytic> QPrime: yeah? I didn't think it was capable of producing anything but annoying beeps. I can listen to complex music on this
[03:53] <anxiolytic> also I have pcspkr blacklisted
[03:54] <QPrime> anxiolytic: some sound chipsets connect the pc speaker to the audio output.  check your audio volume settings and see if pc speaker sound is enabled
[03:54] <QPrime> anxiolytic: I'm guessing you are using a name-brand system? (dell, getway, compaq, etc)
[03:55] <QPrime> *gateway
[03:55] <anxiolytic> QPrime: It's mute in alsamixer, but I still hear it. The main problem is that I don't have sound coming from my speakers anymore - it worked perfectly in hardy. I was using ALSA (removed pulse)
[03:55] <fuzzy> Hi, i've got a atheros 5007 EG that i'm having loads of trouble with, I started with an 8.10 install, tried the ath5k and ndiswrapper module with no luck ( modules would load, but NetworkManger would not associate ).  I upgraded to 9.04, using the ath5k from backports i can get it to associate once, poor network performance, then disconnect after a minute or so
[03:55] <Sludge321> Could anyone help me with a data loss problem I've just experienced using gedit and editing a file via ftp? Does gedit save temporary files anywhere?
[03:55] <anxiolytic> Nah, it's a custom built system. The motherboard is good
[03:56] <fuzzy> does anyone have any suggestions i can try, ( i've tried everything i can find with google )
[03:57] <QPrime> anxiolytic: Hmmm... thats interesting. enabled switches like jack sense?
[03:57] <fuzzy> after the first association with the wap ( WPA-psk ) the card won't associate again
[03:58] <anxiolytic> QPrime: I have an audigy but I blacklisted emu10k1 and I use the onboard audio. What's jack sense?
[03:58] <anxiolytic> (audigy is still connected, but not in use)
[03:58] <fuzzy> I have two laptops ( 9.04 and 8.10 ) and one desktop ( 8.10 ) that have no problems associating with this access point ( Ubiquiti Nanostation 2 )
[03:59] <anxiolytic> QPrime: Is this the culprit? snd_pcsp
[03:59] <QPrime> anxiolytic: used on some sound cards to detect whats connested to the jack (fixes things like mic. and line-out reversal.
[03:59] <anxiolytic> anxiolytic: I can't --force remove it. ERROR: Removing 'snd_pcsp': Resource temporarily unavailable
[04:00] <anxiolytic> er, QPrime*
[04:00] <anxiolytic> QPrime: but ubuntu sounds come from my speakers
[04:01] <QPrime> anxiolytic: http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Bug-522758-alsa-base-module-snd-pcsp-renamed-snd_pcsp-proble--ftopict496559.html  <-- might be of some help
[04:06] <anxiolytic> QPrime: thanks. It seems I have a lot of configs that I did not allow to replace my existing ones, when updating ubuntu. Is there a dpkg command to go through the system and just apply all these configs? blacklist.conf.dpkg-new alsa-base.conf.dpkg-new etc
[04:06] <QPrime> anxiolytic: if the module blacklist fixes the issue then you might want to file a bug report, this will affect a number of users not using pulse.
[04:07] <anxiolytic> QPrime: the blacklist.conf.dpkg-new file has the module blacklisted already so I guess that's my fault
[04:08] <QPrime> yeah, thats always an issue when you have a customized system and go for an upgrade with selective config file replacement.  :(
[04:13] <anxiolytic> QPrime: any way to force off snd_pcsp without restarting?
[04:16] <QPrime> you might try /etc/init.d/alsasound stop  then try a rmmod on snd_pcsp
[04:17] <QPrime> anxiolytic: you might try /etc/init.d/alsasound stop  then try a rmmod   (sorry I was afk for a minute)
[04:17] <QPrime> might work.
[04:20] <QPrime> anxiolytic: btw, were you having issues with pulse under hardy?  Intrepid was pretty good with pulse, and I have not experienced any issues with jaunty and pulse.
[04:24] <shiznebit> how would one go about programming the power button to run a script when pressed ? i have tried editing /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn. But jaunty does not seem to respect those settings
[04:25] <anxiolytic> QPrime: I couldn't get skype to work w/ pulse in hardy or intrepid
[04:25] <shiznebit> the script if you are interested: http://paste.ubuntu.com/153788/
[04:26] <Tekno> pulse is shit
[04:27] <shiznebit> Tekno  maybe but atleast it ahs improved
[04:27] <anxiolytic> I'm gonna install and try it on jaunty. but I never had a prob with alsa
[04:27] <anxiolytic> QPrime: thanks for everything
[04:27]  * QPrime stays away from the sound server war... pulse is a good concept, but released by distros too early.  personally he thinks pulse is gonna be pretty good as it matures.
[04:27] <Technoviking> do any mail notifiers work with notify-osd yet?
[04:28] <DG19075> is waiting for pulseaudio to get the kinks out before he runs it.....alsa will do just fine, tyvm!
[04:30] <QPrime> DG19075: give it a year... you'll be in love with pulse ;)
[04:30] <KyleK> wheres a good place to ask developeresque questions about ubuntu?
[04:31] <DG19075> QPrime: I hope so....seems to be quite involved to set up now....
[04:32]  * QPrime fondles his network remote host sound sinks... its quite gratifying to play sound on the wifes laptop from any PC when she least expects it  ;)
[04:32] <QPrime> Mmmm... pulse *muhahahaha*
[04:33] <DG19075> I use Audacity to record content once in awhile for the radio station I work at, so the quality has to be good enough for air....
[04:35] <calc> QPrime: you can also log into her computer directly and play music... even without pulse
[04:35] <QPrime> calc: not nearly as devious ;)
[04:37] <QPrime> DG19075: Pulse and ALSA are joined at the hip (same drivers).  what has been your issue with pulse quality?
[04:39] <DG19075> QPrime: Just the setup has me scratching my head....at leas talsa and oss work from the get go
[04:40] <RishiRamraj> Hi All. I'm having trouble connecting my apple bluetooth devices on startup in a new 9.04 install. Need some help diagnosing the problem. Is this the right channel to ask?
[04:41] <QPrime> DG19075: hmmm... fair enough.  but i think within the year pule will begin to push other sound servers out of the picture.  it really is a decent concept, and builds on alsa quite nicely.
[04:41] <DG19075> I'd probably pick it up with a step-by-step guide, tho.....
[04:42] <QPrime> DG19075: between jack and pulse I think the bases for sound enthusiast and sound pro getting covered quite nicely.
[04:43] <DG19075> it sure sounds it
[04:44] <DG19075> There was a link to setting up pulse posted in here last night but I forgot it.....
[04:46] <QPrime> RishiRamraj: I'm sure someone will have some advice, stick around and post again in a little bit.
[04:47] <RishiRamraj> QPrime: Will do. Do you know anything about the error codes from probe in dmesg?
[04:48] <QPrime> RishiRamraj: only what google tells me ;)
[04:48] <RishiRamraj> I've been able to isolate the problem and reproduce it, but I'm not sure how to interpret the error code. Google seems to be confused as well unfortunately :(
[04:49] <RishiRamraj> QPrime: dmesg gives me this:
[04:49] <RishiRamraj> apple 0005:05AC:030C.0002: parse failed
[04:49] <RishiRamraj> apple: probe of 0005:05AC:030C.0002 failed with error -14
[04:50] <QPrime> RishiRamraj: what device is it?
[04:50] <RishiRamraj> QPrime: The apple bluetooth keyboard and mighty mouse.
[04:51] <RishiRamraj> QPrime: The behaviour is very specific. I can get them functioning properly.
[04:51]  * QPrime has a sudden urge to watch cartoons.
[04:51] <RishiRamraj> QPrime: On startup, I have to click on one of them, and then click on the other then the other works. If I then disconnect and reconnect the first in bluetooth preferences, they both work.
[04:53] <QPrime> RishiRamraj: alas, I have zero bluetooth experience (and even less with any of apples products)
[04:53] <histo> everyone still having audio issues?
[04:53]  * QPrime scores a negative number with apple hardware!
[04:53] <RishiRamraj> QPrime: No worries. I'll keep digging till I find a solution :)
[04:54] <histo> Keep losing audio etc.. I just finally am trying pulseaudio again we'll see how ti goes.
[04:54] <QPrime> RishiRamraj: :)
[04:56] <QPrime> histo: the pulseaudio mojo will solve all your issues ;)
[04:57] <histo> QPrime: pulseaudio was the original problem I removed it and problems went away. But I haven't been around to see if there were updates lately since it wasn't installed.
[04:58]  * QPrime rubs his pulseausio sound server... "Its ok baby, *I* still love you"
[04:59] <QPrime> histo: you were having pulse issues on Jaunty or on an older release?
[04:59] <histo> jaunty
[04:59] <histo> Audio would just drop and you ouwl dhave to kill pulseaudio to get it back.
[05:00] <histo> or restart X
[05:00] <DanaG> Mmmm, PA 0.9.15.  Now with AirPort Express support... not that I have any of such devices.
[05:01] <QPrime> histo: I was just checking through the jaunty pulse updates, there have been quite a few.
[05:02] <histo> QPrime: yes hopefully its fixed according to one thread though some changes didn't make feature freeze and there will be issues.
[05:03] <QPrime> histo: 0.9.13-2ubuntu5 looked like a fairly big one (including hal and driver issues)
[05:05] <Nautilus__> I just installed the  newest Ubuntu, and everything seems to be OK -except- for the mouse drawing... the 'blit' doesn't work right. Any suggestions?
[05:06] <histo> what is a 'blit'?
[05:06] <Nautilus__> the technique of reading/writing a pixel area to the video memory
[05:06] <QPrime> bit block transfer
[05:07] <Nautilus__> iow, the area surrounding the cursor is messed up
[05:07] <QPrime> usually used to simulate hardware sprites on screen
[05:07] <Nautilus__> it can be s/w or h/w
[05:08] <QPrime> Nautilus__: what video driver are you using?
[05:08] <Nautilus__> dunno, just installed jaunty, not real experienxed with *nix
[05:08] <QPrime> Nautilus__: what video card?
[05:09] <Nautilus__> dont know, just on-board  an old gateway. is there a hardware manager I can see?
[05:09] <Nautilus__> ah, "Hardware drivers"
[05:10] <Nautilus__> no proprietary drivers
[05:10] <QPrime> ' lspci | grep VGA' from a console if you want to feel all unixy
[05:12] <Nautilus__> "terminal" just came up with a white screen, no prompt
[05:12] <Nautilus__> window, not screen
[05:13] <ajavid> when will jaunty release?
[05:13] <Nautilus__> 23rd?
[05:13] <ajavid> its nearing the end of the month
[05:14] <ajavid> fantastic
[05:14] <Nautilus__> has a countdown on site
[05:14] <ajavid> well i only go to kubuntu website
[05:14] <ajavid> i didn't see a counter
[05:14] <QPrime> Nautilus__: hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a vty run the lspci command then ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to your desktop... if you have video issues your desktop might not reappear tho
[05:16] <SandGorgon> it was a pain getting skype to work with Intrepid - how is the experience in jaunty ?
[05:16] <shiznebit> less painfull
[05:16] <SandGorgon> that is what is keeping me from trying out jaunty - i need skype for work
[05:16] <QPrime> Nautilus__: thought actually when you are on a text vty you only need to use alt-f7 to get back to the desktop ;)
[05:17] <shiznebit> install from skypes repositories: http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/
[05:17] <Nautilus__> Intel Corp 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[05:17] <SandGorgon> the problem was getting mic to work
[05:17] <shiznebit> oh yea that might be a bit of a itch
[05:17] <SandGorgon> whoaaaa.. guys u got to check out Ubunchu - the Ubuntu Manga ....
[05:18] <Halow> SandGorgon:  I read that! Too funny.
[05:18] <Nautilus__> Pricey: Intel Corp 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[05:18] <QPrime> Nautilus__: there have been a number of reports of issues with intel video and the new xorg 1.6  use your google-fu and take a look around - I know that many of these intel/xorg issues have been resolved.
[05:18] <Nautilus__> oops, sorry. I meant qprime
[05:18] <shiznebit> SandGorgon: just make sure to unmute mic in you sound preferences
[05:19] <SandGorgon> shiznebit: ahh.. that thing still happens... thanks
[05:19] <nroot7> Can I install Jaunty from ISO of alternate cd, without burning it?
[05:19] <Nautilus__> QPrime: cool
[05:20] <DasEi> nroot7:could use usb
[05:20] <DasEi> !install
[05:21] <JorgeJorgesson> I appear to be having a problem with java on my 9.04 installation.  I can't seem to get java enabled websites to work in Firefox
[05:21] <DasEi> nroot7:you can convert to ext 4 for further files, too
[05:23] <RishiRamraj> QPrime: Found the problem; looks like I need to install the latest version of the hid-apple driver.
[05:24] <QPrime> RishiRamraj: I bow to your searching skills  :)
[05:24] <shiznebit> JorgeJorgesson: java you installed sun's java package from Application -> Add/Remove ?
[05:25] <JorgeJorgesson> shiznebit: yes
[05:25] <_akahige_> I've been running the Firefox beta from Mozilla. it's been perfect until the latest round of gtk updates, when everything went wonky. should that be considered a bug, since FF is obviously referring to those libs, or let it go because it's an unsupported beta?
[05:25] <RishiRamraj> QPrime: Is there an easy way to do that in debian/ubuntu, short of compiling and installing a kernel from scratch?
[05:26] <shiznebit> JorgeJorgesson: and the Sun Java 6.0 java plugin
[05:29] <JorgeJorgesson> shiznebit: I believe so
[05:29] <QPrime> RishiRamraj: unless its available as a dynamic kernel module then my guess is no :(  but I am certainly not authoritative on these matters.
[05:31] <QPrime> RishiRamraj: it would be very useful for you to find a bigger brain on this and get a better answer.
[05:31] <shiznebit> JorgeJorgesson: if    sudo apt-get install sun-java-plugin     returns already installed im out of ideas
[05:33] <RishiRamraj> QPrime: lol, I'll see what I can do :) The reason my search was successful; I finally decided "screw it, I'll just look at the source code" :s
[05:34] <JorgeJorgesson> shiznebit: I was mistaken.  I had jre6 installed but not the plug in!
[05:34] <JorgeJorgesson> shiznebit: thanks a bunch for your help.
[05:35] <shiznebit> JorgeJorgesson: no problem
[05:35] <QPrime> RishiRamraj: the joy of open source :)
[05:35] <shiznebit> anyone get Wake-On-Lan working with jaunty ? is it a PITA ?
[05:36] <QPrime> shiznebit: isn't WoL kinda os agnostic?
[05:38] <shiznebit> your right, but i have been having problems getting it to actually awake :(
[05:39] <shiznebit> so i was just curoius if someone had gotten it to work
[05:40] <QPrime> shiznebit: WoL (at least the AMD magic packets) have never worked properly for me :(  but I have to admit that I have not invested much time into it.
[05:42] <KyleK> what happens if i select server stuff and Ubuntu Netbook Remix?
[05:42] <histo> Isn't there a way to defrag ext4 to redo the extents?
[05:42] <shiznebit> QPrime: i see, guess its back to banging my head trying to figure it out
[05:44] <QPrime> shiznebit: IIRC there are several WoL packet formats.  make sure you are using the correct one and that your Mobo is supplying power to your nic for WoL
[05:45] <QPrime> shiznebit: if its an on-board nic then you should be fine, if its an add in then also make sure you have you WoL lead attached to you Mobo
[05:45] <QPrime> s/you/you're
[05:45] <shiznebit> hmmm, it is an onboard nic
[05:46] <QPrime> shiznebit: if you wanna chat about WoL, I'm in offtopic.
[05:47] <shiznebit> ok QPrime thanks
[05:47] <harvest> I installed The Widget Factory but can not seem to find where to launch it. Any idea's ?
[05:49] <histo> If I convert to ext4 from my understanding the files written under ext3 will not bennefit.  Is there a way to fix it so that the files will bennefit?
[05:50] <Tefad> would probably have to be done offline
[05:50] <Tefad> to affect all files
[05:50] <histo> well i'm trying now to move the files to a folder then copy them back
[05:50] <Tefad> tar and pipes i think might be one way
[05:51]  * Tefad shrugs
[05:51] <histo> There has to be a way.
[05:51] <histo> anyhoot i'm going to sleep while this copys the files 61gb total proly take bout an hour
[05:52] <Tefad> maybe longer.
[05:57] <DasEi> histo: only reformatting would help you there
[06:11] <quad|> hey, got a problem with installing the RC. somehow i didn't find this listed as a bug. The partitioner won't recognize my hdd. It sees the whole thing (/dev/sda , 80GB) as unpartitioned space, which is incorrect. same thing shows up in gparted. any clues?
[06:11] <_akahige_> I can't seem to be able to rename my gnome workspaces to match each other. is this a bug?
[06:12] <|ns|nR8> ext4 quad| ?
[06:13] <quad|> ntfs + ext3
[06:14] <quad|> tbh, i have a bunch of partitions... 2 ntfs, 1 ext2 (boot), 2 ext3, 1 swap... none of them show up, all it sees is a big empty disk
[06:19] <SandGorgon> quad|: whoa.. u should file a bug with `sudo lshw --sanitize` pasted in it
[06:19] <quad|> i'm thinking whether it's similar to this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-971149.html :-s
[06:21] <SandGorgon> quad| : that depends on whether ur hdd is corrupted and unusable, or it is working fine and it is only with RC livecd that you have this problem. Try an older livecd (preferably hardy) and see
[06:22] <quad|> okay, will do. 8.10 however is installed and working fine (i didn't check what gparted says, but i can mount the partitions, no probl)
[06:40] <jordanl> my sound broke after upgrading to 9.04 RC
[06:42] <jordanl> can someone help me debug this? i'm not too familiar with the alsa/pulseaudio system
[06:46] <ricochet> jordanl: when mine broke i just had to turn up the volume on the speakers in the alsa mixer.. for some reason its set to mute as default
[06:47] <jordanl> i checked that
[07:02] <Halow> *yawn*
[07:02] <Halow> Wrong window. :O
[07:13] <Blinkiz> Hi. I have a virtualization server based on "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-virt-server". It contains kvm.. Now I have my laptop that I want virt-manager on. But I don't understand why dependence for virt-manager is kvm?! I don't want to install kvm on my laptop, I only want virt-manager. I use virtualbox on my laptop
[07:13] <Blinkiz> How can I install virt-manager without installing its dependence?
[07:14] <_akahige_> When I rename my gnome desktops, the name won't "stick". I've got 1,2,3,4, and "workspace 5".  anybody else seeing this?
[07:19] <badfish69> what's the thing i use to make the bootable usb?
[07:19] <shaga> I was thinking of the same thing
[07:20] <shaga> I know some programs for it but would be cool to get a recommendation on what windows-program to use for that
[07:20] <shaga> gonna install it on acer aspire one
[07:23] <badfish69> i found it
[07:23] <badfish69> usb-creator in the repo
[07:24] <badfish69> shaga, i've heard good things about unetbootin
[07:24] <shaga> yeah, have used it on installing it
[07:25] <shaga> not jaunty but earlier versions
[07:26] <badfish69> i backed up my netbook to a shared network drive on my vista machine
[07:27] <badfish69> so if jaunty gives it the bone, i can still restore with some mirror program integrated into a bartpe
[07:28] <shaga> I have used dropbox
[07:28] <mimcpher> Is anybody using xmonad+gnome on jaunty?
[07:28] <shaga> only to save most important stuff
[07:29] <badfish69> i only have a 7 gig hdd on my netbook
[07:29] <badfish69> so i backed up the whole thing, mbr and all
[07:29] <badfish69> worst case scenario, i can return it to its xp state over the network
[07:29] <shaga> hmm. thats not very bad idea to back everything up
[07:29] <mimcpher> Storage is cheap, backing everything up is nice.
[07:29] <Tugle> is there a way to configure notify-osd?
[07:31] <Tugle> I was told no, but is that going to change in future releases?
[07:31] <badfish69> everything i needto restore the netbook, is on a 5 gig partition on my desktop box
[07:33] <shaga> was it hard to create?
[07:33] <shaga> no idea how I could do that
[07:34] <sgodsell> I dual boot my netbooks using sd cards as / (root).  So I can have multiple OS and versions on different cards  ;-)
[07:35] <Blinkiz> Heay, how can I force installation of a package without its dependence?
[07:37] <badfish69> shaga> was it hard to create?
[07:37] <badfish69> no, but i did everything in windows
[07:37] <badfish69> it took me a good 2 days of reading and trial and error
[07:37] <badfish69> but it's really a 45 minute process tops
[07:37] <sdakpos> hi
[07:37] <sdakpos> i have weird problem with Jaunty
[07:37] <shaga> I have tinyxp on it and on desk I use windows
[07:38] <shaga> hmm, gotta try it
[07:38] <badfish69> i dont think tinyxp has the networking capabilities
[07:38] <shaga> hmm. you mean lan capabilities?
[07:38] <badfish69> yeah
[07:38] <sdakpos> somehow my desktop path have changed, all my desktop icons are in /home/user/`/ instead of /home/user/Desktop but the Desktop directory is still there
[07:38] <shaga> I've played warcraft 3 on it on lan :p
[07:38] <badfish69> what version of win is on your desktop?
[07:38] <shaga> xp sp3
[07:39] <badfish69> you know how to make a network share?
[07:39] <badfish69> i used a partition
[07:39] <shaga> yeah, I have already
[07:39] <badfish69> let me dig up the name of this program here quick
[07:39] <shaga> ok, thanks :)
[07:39] <badfish69> macrium reflect
[07:39] <badfish69> hell
[07:40] <sdakpos> anyone? ;[
[07:40] <badfish69> if you're running tinyxp there's no point really
[07:40] <badfish69> i backed up my oem sp3 installation
[07:40] <badfish69> trimmed it up with xplite first
[07:40] <bazhang> !offtopic
[07:40] <shaga> perhaps not, it's pretty fast to "install"
[07:40] <sdakpos> how is it possible that path do desktop have changed? how can i change it back?
[07:40] <alteregoa> quit
[07:40] <shaga> well.. I'll start installing jaunty now then :p
[07:41] <badfish69> i'm still waiting on the dl
[07:42] <badfish69> 30 minutes
[07:42] <badfish69> i tried it once but couldn't get wireless lan working
[07:42] <badfish69> that's why i backed up before i'm going to try an install
[07:42] <sgodsell> badfish69, what is your netbook? model?
[07:43] <badfish69> inspiron 910
[07:44] <sdakpos> somehow my desktop path have changed, all my desktop icons are in /home/user/`/ instead of /home/user/Desktop but the Desktop directory is still there
[07:44] <sdakpos> how can i fix this?
[07:45] <bronson> Why is apt-get using ipv6?
[07:45] <bronson> 0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:6b0:e:2018::163)]
[07:45] <bronson> Takes forever to time out.
[07:46] <rlaager> bronson: It sounds like you have a broken IPv6 configuration.
[07:47] <bronson> rlaager, pretty sure it's just default Jaunty.  I didn't change anything.
[07:48] <bronson> I think this is the beta install.
[07:48] <badfish69> it's still beta for 6 days
[07:48] <bronson> Any idea how to turn it off?
[07:48] <bazhang> badfish69, /join #ubuntu-ops
[07:48] <bronson> badfish69, isn't it rc now?
[07:48] <rlaager> bronson: Can you pastebin (or /msg me) the results of running "ifconfig" on your machine?
[07:48] <badfish69> rc?
[07:49] <bronson> rlaager, coming up
[07:49] <bronson> badfish69, release candidate.  between beta and release.
[07:50] <bronson> rlaager, http://gist.github.com/97953
[07:50] <rlaager> bronson: On a side note, I'm more curious why on earth us.archive.ubuntu.com looks up to something in .se!
[07:50] <bronson> pastebin appears to be timing out.  owell.
[07:50] <bronson> maybe related.  :)
[07:51] <bronson> yeah, that's odd too.
[07:51] <rlaager> bronson: Your wlan0 has a 6to4 interface with an IPv4 address of 192.168.11.151. Do you have some sort of NAT device (like an Apple Airport) acting as your router? If so, is it behind a second NAT device?
[07:52] <bronson> rlaager, unfortunately yes.
[07:52] <bronson> I'm behind 2 nats.
[07:52] <Betatesting> ;-)
[07:53] <rlaager> bronson: Out of curiosity, what device is your computer's gateway (i.e. the router closest to your computer)?
[07:53] <Betatesting> okay, so I'm having an issue getting the desktop animations to work
[07:53] <bronson> rlaager, 0.0.0.0         192.168.2.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 wlan0
[07:53] <bronson> 192.168.2.1 is the first nat, 192.168.11.1 is the second.
[07:53] <bronson> (first == closest)
[07:53] <Betatesting> i get the following error: Desktop effects could not be enabled
[07:54] <rlaager> bronson: Yeah, what's the device at 192.168.2.1?
[07:54] <bronson> a new Belkin 802.11n access point.
[07:54] <Betatesting> Desktop effects could not be enabled
[07:54] <bronson> I needed the gigabit ports, my old WRT54GL is just too slow.
[07:54] <Betatesting> glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"
[07:54] <Betatesting> unknown chip id 0x9442, can't guess.
[07:54] <Betatesting> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.4
[07:55] <Betatesting> im running a ati radeon 9800pro
[07:56] <Betatesting> 64 bit core 2 quad
[07:56] <rlaager> bronson: Interesting. What model? I've been looking for something that does IPv6. As to your problem, *I* think it's wrong to create a 6to4 address from a private IP. Any chance you can get rid of the second layer of NAT?
[07:57] <bronson> rlaager, I will in the next week or so.
[07:57] <bronson> but why does a second nat cause an ipv6 issue?
[07:58] <perscitus> Did they disable Drag & Move Panels?
[07:58] <bronson> rlaager, pretty sure I have this guy http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=459569
[07:59] <pwnguin> anyone know what the name for the new madwifi driver is?
[07:59] <rlaager> bronson: Because your computer has a globally valid (in this case 6to4) IPv6 address, it's trying to use IPv6 to contact the archive server. Assuming your packets even make it to the archive server in the first place (and they might not, if the second NAT doesn't pass that protocol), when it tries to respond, the traffic goes to the nearest 6to4 gateway.
[07:59] <rlaager> It then has to try to send the traffic to 192.168.11.151, which obviously won't get it back to you since that's not publicly routeable.
[08:00] <sdakpos> pwnguin: madwif?
[08:00] <pwnguin> sdakpos: module madwifi not found
[08:00] <sdakpos> pwnguin: madwifi-ng
[08:00] <bronson> rlaager, ok, that makes sense.
[08:00] <rlaager> In *my* opinion (and I'm very new to IPv6), your Belkin should see that its public IP is a private address and simply not advertise the IPv6 6to4 address.
[08:00] <Betatesting> brb thx for reading... im sure your still pondering my issue
[08:00] <pwnguin> sdakpos: not found
[08:02] <rlaager> bronson: Googling for "Ubuntu disable IPv6" might help you. Obviously, the right solution is to either get rid of the dual-NAT or get your Belkin's firmware fixed, but those may not be feasible for you.
[08:02] <bronson> yeah, at this point disabling ipv6 sounds easiest.
[08:03] <sdakpos> pwnguin: try ath5k
[08:03] <pwnguin> sdakpos: huh
[08:03] <pwnguin> i thought i tried that
[08:04] <sdakpos> pwnguin: does it work?
[08:04] <pwnguin> sdakpos: any idea why it's in my blacklist?
[08:04] <pwnguin> yes
[08:05] <sdakpos> pwnguin: no idea ;)
[08:05] <bronson> rlaager, just to make sure i'm understanding...  2002 says it's a 6to4, c0a8:b97 is the ipv4 address?
[08:05] <pwnguin> sdakpos: oh, hold on
[08:05] <bronson> And my router assigned the 6to4 using DHCP?
[08:05] <pwnguin> err nm
[08:06] <pwnguin> (i thought i was in the old kernel still, but nope)
[08:08] <bronson> It's making sense now.  rlaager, I'd say you nailed it.  Thanks!
[08:09] <rlaager> bronson: No problem. Thanks for the tip on the router you're using.
[08:12] <betatesting> Still having this issue with reboot
[08:12] <betatesting> Is this a coomon issue with this version
[08:14] <badfish69> what issue?
[08:15] <betatesting> glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"
[08:15] <betatesting> unknown chip id 0x9442, can't guess.
[08:15] <betatesting> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.4
[08:15] <betatesting> desktop wont use extras setting
[08:15] <betatesting> for gnome
[08:15] <betatesting> I have an ATI 9800 pro
[08:21] <betatesting> installing nautilus-open-terminal did nothing
[08:24] <betatesting> is this broken in jaunty?
[08:25] <betatesting> whats a good mp3 player for ubuntu?
[08:25] <badfish69> rhythmbox
[08:25] <betatesting> thx
[08:25] <pwnguin> i use rhythmbox but its apparent its not actually all that good
[08:25] <pwnguin> people swear by amarok
[08:26] <badfish69> i've always quite liked rhythmbox
[08:27] <cky> Audacious. :-)
[08:27] <cousin_luigi> hello
[08:27] <bazhang> !test
[08:27]  * cousin_luigi recently upgraded to jaunty, but the update manager doesn't appear to be working anymore
[08:27] <cousin_luigi> the output of `ps ax` suggests it's running
[08:27] <pwnguin> badfish69: its not a bad UI, but theres about a billion segfaults in LP
[08:28] <badfish69> lp?
[08:28] <pwnguin> launchpad
[08:29] <badfish69> no wireless ;[
[08:30] <badfish69> when i view connections: i see 'auto eth0' under the 'wired' tab
[08:30] <badfish69> nothing under wireless
[08:30] <badfish69> meaning it's not picking up my wireless, correct?
[08:31] <Praveen> i have MSTTCOREFONTS installed in jaunty. but firefox does not seem to use the fonts. please help me.
[08:31] <badfish69> wait
[08:31] <badfish69> i do have wireless
[08:32] <badfish69> maybe
[08:32] <SandGorgon> Praveen: either set fonts in Firefox separately or change system fonts to use msttcorefonts in System->Preferences->appearance
[08:32] <badfish69> w00t!
[08:34] <Praveen> SandGorgon: but that wasnt the case in intrepid
[08:34] <Praveen> SandGorgon: something has changed
[08:34] <betatesting> does anyone here have the fancy animation on their jaunty?
[08:35] <pwnguin> the new deluge confuses me =(
[08:38] <betatesting> glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"
[08:41] <jschall> how long till release?
[08:42] <jmarsden> jschall: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[08:47] <jschall> cooooooool
[08:49] <jmarsden> jschall: You can also see http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown if you want to get a countdown :)
[08:51] <badfish69> none of them count seconds :[
[08:52] <badfish69> this thing's been stuck at 82%, 'scanning the mirror' for a good 10 minutes now
[08:53] <nandemonai> Hmmm weird..
[08:54] <nandemonai> Can someone try a search in 'About Ubuntu' and see if clicking the results works?
[08:54] <nandemonai> For me it just says 'Loading'.. Getting impatient and clicking it again closes the window.
[08:57] <badfish69> nandemonai: what is about ubuntu?
[08:57] <nandemonai> System -> About Ubuntu
[08:58] <nandemonai> It's yelp. IE: yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu
[08:58] <nandemonai> I'm filing a bug now.
[08:58] <atlef> it works here
[08:58] <badfish69> i haven't been able to install yet
[08:59] <nandemonai> Oh? Wierd. Was replying to a post in the Ubuntu forums, they had the same issue though on Intrepid. I tested here (jaunty) and it doesn't seem to work.
[09:00] <nandemonai> atlef: You clicked on a result yeah?
[09:01] <atlef> nandemonai: yep
[09:01] <nandemonai> Odd, I see some old results in launchpad but nothing in Jaunty. Perhaps the issue has cropped up again.
[09:02] <cousin_luigi> how do I make sure the update applet is running?
[09:03] <badfish69> is jaunty going to have that thing where i can click with the wheel on the mouse and move around the screen like in iwndows?
[09:05] <betatesting> installing envy FIXED THE ISSUE
[09:06] <betatesting> Anyone with ATI card and want comwiz to work correctly can use envy
[09:06] <betatesting> thank you
[09:06] <cwillu> !worksforme
[09:07] <betatesting> Well works for me
[09:07] <betatesting> 9800 pro
[09:07] <bazhang> dont advise that here betatesting
[09:07] <betatesting> hm...
[09:07] <cwillu> betatesting, filing a bug that it didn't Just Work on launchpad.net would be appreciated
[09:07] <bazhang> !envy > betatesting
[09:07] <betatesting> alrighty, just figured something is better than nothing
[09:08] <bazhang> in this case not
[09:08] <betatesting> wish someone would have suggested something not supported for me
[09:09] <ripps> Can someone tell me how to exclude an architechture from building, I have a package that builds in all architectures except amd64
[09:11] <ripps> If there are any MOTU's here, can you help me in #ubuntu-motu?
[09:14] <rlaager> ripps: Is it "Architecture: !amd64" or something like that?
[09:14] <ripps> rlaager: Thanks
[09:14] <rlaager> ripps: I think I might be thinking of dependencies.
[09:15] <tsimpson> rlaager: they are already getting help in #ubuntu-motu
[09:16] <badfish69> is it normal to see a bunch fo squashfs errors during the shutdown right after install?
[09:16] <badfish69> oh well
[09:16] <badfish69> it seems to be loading fine
[09:30] <crazy_bus> I read that there's a place to configure the new notification system but can't seem to find it.  Can anyone help?
[09:32] <whoreface> what cli command can i use to determine my wireless chipset?
[09:34] <atlef> lspci
[09:35] <PrebenR> Every time I start my computer the master volume is muted. How can I change this or is it a jaunty bug?
[09:37] <whoreface> could write a script to run at startup
[09:39] <PrebenR> yes, but shouldn't it be possible to get the machine to store the state?
[09:39] <PrebenR> one could do that with alsa in the old days
[09:39] <lemsx11> is it known that opening OpenOffice 3.0 yields an error?
[09:40] <lemsx11> "Error loading BASIC of document" ... file:///.../WebWizard/....
[09:40] <whoreface> there's a lot of things with linux sound taht *should* be possible that just aren't without a bunch of dirty hacks
[09:40] <whoreface> and volume isn't real high on the bug list i'd imagine
[09:42] <PrebenR> I guess, although it is important. However I notice a ton of bugs with jaunty...
[09:42] <_lemsx1_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1083783
[09:42] <cousin_luigi> jaunty RC solved a few problems I had on intrepid
[09:42] <topyli> after yesterday's updates, epiphany stopped working with many sites like google reader. also dropdown menus are broken. i think what broke is javascript. anyone else see this?
[09:43] <_lemsx1_> i posted something there earlier about Jaunty asking to insert a disc (the same as the one used to install)
[09:43] <PrebenR> _lemsx1_, I don't get any errors with OO 3
[09:43] <_lemsx1_> PrebenR: thanks... i wonder why i see those
[09:43] <PrebenR> _lemsx1_, ** (soffice:4756): WARNING **: unable to get gail version number
[09:44] <_lemsx1_> PrebenR: fixed... rm -fr ~/.openoffice*
[09:44] <PrebenR> _lemsx1_, this is the only thing I see running oo froma terminal
[09:44] <_lemsx1_> PrebenR: old crap
[09:44] <_lemsx1_> now no more errors
[09:44] <_lemsx1_> the alternate CD stuff is definitely a bug
[09:45] <PrebenR> Do anybody have problem with that when you open firefox it doesn't show the startpage, just empty area so you can see the background image of your desktop?
[09:45] <PrebenR> I guess it is either a firefox or compiz bug
[09:45] <PrebenR> doesn't always happen
[09:46] <_lemsx1_> PrebenR: what's your startup page? start.ubuntu.com/9.04 ?
[09:46] <PrebenR> localhost
[09:47] <PrebenR> running lighttpd
[09:47] <PrebenR> could also be a problem, but I don't have anything setup with it at the moment
[09:48] <PrebenR> anyway I'll soon switch from xfce4 to dwm :-)
[09:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all, I have not been upgrading my system for a week (I was away). I upgraded, and X blocked meanwhile (perhaps because of the new, broken, intel driver). Then I rebooted and X was not working (black screen with a small piece of dust where the mouse pointer should be). Then I rebooted in safe mode and ran "dpkg --pending  --configure". Since then, jaunty won't even boot: the kernel blocks right after loading usb drivers.
[09:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> So in a word: recent updates have completely trashed my jaunty test system. Did you see any recent bug on that?
[09:49] <PrebenR> Le-Chuck_ITA, what is the specs on your computer?
[09:49] <_lemsx1_> Le-Chuck_ITA: I just did a fresh install and then upgraded to whatever the system gave me. everything is fine
[09:49] <armornick> hey guys, since the release is coming up, how's the thing with the intel drivers?
[09:49]  * _lemsx1_ uses Nvidia drivers
[09:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> PrebenR: _lemsx1_: yes I think it's a problem of my hardware
[09:49] <armornick> I heard the intel drivers slow down your computers
[09:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> armornick: did you try it?
[09:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> PrebenR: I have an intel core duo system
[09:50] <fbn> Hi, Jaunty is not asking to install nVidia drivers, where can I enable them?
[09:50] <armornick> Le-Chuck_ITA: well, I prefer not to update until the final release
[09:50] <PrebenR> Le-Chuck_ITA, I have upgraded 3 computers, 1 C2D Q9550, one old AMD Athelon XP2400 and a Eee 1000H and have not had problems with jaunty upgrade
[09:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> armornick: try a live usb or livecd  and see if it is slow for you. In that case, please ping ubuntu-devel-discuss, it seems that I am the only one worried.
[09:51] <_lemsx1_> fbn: what do you mean?
[09:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> armornick: but please be nice when you do that :)
[09:51] <PrebenR> fbn, see in you system or administartor menu for Hardware Drivers
[09:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> PrebenR: yes I guess that :) I meant to ask if any of you saw such serious bugs "passing by" here or on launchpad
[09:51] <fbn> _lemsx1_: 8.10 asked me if I want to install nvidia drivers after initial boot, Jaunty does not
[09:52] <_lemsx1_> fbn: do lspci|grep VGA. figure out what card you have. then do: apt-cache show nvidia-glx-173|grep YOURCARD
[09:52] <_lemsx1_> fbn: oh i see
[09:52] <fbn> PrebenR: it says no proprietary drivers are  in use, I know that and I would like to enable them :)
[09:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> armornick: there is the "UXA" mode which is fast, but ... it breaks for so many, and I guess also for me, since my X session blocks every now and then
[09:52] <fbn> _lemsx1_: I know that I have an nvidia card, and Ubuntu asked to install the driver before and now I'm stuck
[09:52] <_lemsx1_> fbn: i install nvidia-glx-173 by hand then i used the Hardware GUI to enable it
[09:52] <PrebenR> fbn, if you cannot choose one maybe you lack a pacakge
[09:53] <fbn> _lemsx1_: okay that would be a workaround. but do I have to report this as a bug? because many people will have problems if Ubuntu does not ask about nvidia driver installation any more ...
[09:54] <fbn> PrebenR: how should an end user know that, and more: which package? :)
[09:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> could some please point me to the latest jaunty "released" iso?
[09:54] <_lemsx1_> fbn: dunno... did you upgrade or did a clean install?
[09:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or the daily, even better?
[09:54] <PrebenR> fbn, did you upgrade?
[09:54] <fbn> _lemsx1_: clean install of release candidate
[09:54] <fbn> PrebenR: no
[09:54] <_lemsx1_> Le-Chuck_ITA: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks
[09:55] <_lemsx1_> fbn: did you login for the first time?
[09:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sheet, there's only the alternate for the daily
[09:55] <fbn> anybody using nvidia grapics card here? did Jaunty ask to install the drivers like 8.10 did?
[09:55] <fbn> _lemsx1_: yes
[09:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I'd like to test he live system, is there some way?
[09:55] <_lemsx1_> fbn: on your startup there should be a Hardware Drivers item and that should've mentioned the missing drivers
[09:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> NO I am stupid it seems
[09:56] <_lemsx1_> fbn: Startup Applications Preferences (now) and in my case it does have a "Check for new hardware drivers" item
[09:56] <fbn> _lemsx1_: yes that's excactly what I'm missing on Jaunty
[09:56] <PrebenR> fbn, I don't remember now, but I installed *one* package that installed all the nvidia drivers
[09:56] <_lemsx1_> fbn: are you sure you didn't copy your $HOME dir from an old installation?
[09:57] <PrebenR> fbn, does sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[09:57] <PrebenR> help
[09:57] <PrebenR> help?
[09:57] <fbn> _lemsx1_: that check for new hardware drivers is there and enabled
[09:57] <fbn> _lemsx1_: no, I'm sure :)
[09:57] <_lemsx1_> fbn: odd... report it as a bug then
[09:57] <fbn> PrebenR: thanks, but I don't want to "fix" it manually, I would like to know if this is a bug or not because most users won't be able to fix it manually
[09:58] <fbn> _lemsx1_: okay. I'll do one more reboot maybe it works then
[09:58] <lanoxx> in jaunty the scrolling emulation does not work correctly (with thinkpad trackpoints)
[09:58] <lanoxx> is that known?
[09:59] <PrebenR> fbn http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1026512.html
[10:00] <PrebenR> 2) Wait for nVidia to adapt their proprietary driver to the X server 1.6 API
[10:00] <PrebenR> maybe that is the problem?
[10:00] <jirka_> Good morning I would ask if there is any way how to enable desktop effects with fglrx drivers in kubuntu 9.04. When I turn them on screen goes black and then I have to manually disable them in kwinrc file. In kubuntu 8.10 everything works fine and on another PC with older card and opensource drivers it works too.
[10:00] <PrebenR> no nvidia drivers fro 1.6
[10:01] <_lemsx1_> PrebenR: i'm using nvidia on xorg 1.6
[10:01] <PrebenR> jirka_, have you installed Catalyst 9.4?
[10:01] <_lemsx1_> PrebenR: i installed it by hand
[10:01] <PrebenR> _lemsx1_, exactly
[10:01] <PrebenR> _lemsx1_, I also had to install Ati driver by hand
[10:01] <_lemsx1_> jirka_: ah, i remember that bug... very old
[10:02] <Whoopie> Hi, I burned the jaunty live CD and it booted fine. But I got the login screen and had to enter username/password. But what are the user credentials?
[10:02] <jirka_> I have installed catalyst that came with kubuntu 9.04RC and 3D acceleration in games is working fine
[10:02] <_lemsx1_> jirka_: but i have since switched to nvidia. can't help
[10:02] <PrebenR> jirka_, follow this page: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_restricted_drivers_manually
[10:02] <PrebenR> jirka_, and replace intrepid with jaunty
[10:02] <_lemsx1_> Whoopie: ouch... try "ubuntu" with password "ubuntu" ?
[10:02] <Whoopie> _lemsx1_: tried that ;)
[10:02] <PrebenR> _lemsx1_, ?
[10:03] <PrebenR> _lemsx1_, try where
[10:03] <_lemsx1_> Whoopie: that's something... i used the alternate CD (raid1+lvm2 needed)
[10:03] <jirka_> PrebenR: OK I will try it
[10:04] <Whoopie> _lemsx1_: just wanted to see how jaunty looks like. Running hardy atm
[10:04] <acuster> hey all, network-manager is not seeing my wireless card. iwconfig scanning sees all the local networks so the system works. nm-tool says "unavailable" for the interface. Any one have ideas/pointers? thanks
[10:05] <_lemsx1_> Whoopie: i was on hardy also... got tempted and upgraded all my systems :-P
[10:05] <Whoopie> hehe
[10:06] <acuster> hmm, that should be "iwlist eth1 scanning"
[10:06] <_lemsx1_> acuster: the GUI does not see it but the cli one does?
[10:07] <shaga> just tried installing rc netbook remix on my netbook(acer aspire one). installer/live didnt even load. "Not enough memory to load specified kernel."
[10:07] <shaga> that netbook has 512mb
[10:09] <acuster> no. The applet says: "device not ready"; and nm-tool says "State: unavailable". However, the hardware appears to be working since I can scan
[10:09] <_lemsx1_> oh my... amarok 2 is a mess... i hope i don't have to downgrade :-(
[10:10] <_lemsx1_> shaga: no "shared memory" (say with the video card) /
[10:11] <_lemsx1_> acuster: did you try the typical (ugly) fix? (i.e. reboot)
[10:11] <shaga> hmm. I've installed ubuntu on it before. gotta check all the bios options through
[10:11] <shaga> bios reports video memory to be 8mb
[10:11] <shaga> and cant change that
[10:12] <acuster> yeah, I've tried lots of things over several days
[10:12] <acuster> :-)
[10:13] <_lemsx1_> shaga: did you read the minimum specs for the netbook installation?
[10:13] <acuster> is nm-supplicant a separate program?
[10:14] <acuster> NetworkManager: supplicant_interface_acquire: assertion `mgr_state == NM_SUPPLICANT_MANAGER_STATE_IDLE' failed
[10:14] <_lemsx1_> acuster: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <_lemsx1_> acuster: make sure you are not missing something
[10:15] <acuster> nothing missing
[10:16] <_lemsx1_> acuster: ok... i'd need to install Jaunty on my oqo to be sure... but after release and a month has gone by :-)
[10:16] <shaga> _lemsx1_: looking for the page
[10:17] <shaga> cant seem to find it
[10:17] <jacobw-uk> hi there, i've installed jaunty netbook remix on my acer aspire one (1gig ddr/120gig hdd) and neither the LH nor RH SD slots are working
[10:17] <jacobw-uk> the wiki says that the LH one should work out of the box, is this a kernel issue?
[10:18] <_lemsx1_> jacobw-uk: you might want to pair up with shaga ;-)
[10:18] <shaga> only if it would be possible to install ubuntu first :p
[10:19] <_lemsx1_> shaga: you might have the wrong install media then...
[10:19] <shaga> jacobw-uk: did you have any problems in booting with usb stick? like "not enough memory"
[10:20] <acuster> aha! /etc/init.d/wpa-ifupdown is of size 0
[10:20] <acuster> lovely
[10:20]  * _lemsx1_ installs ubuntu-restricted-extras and goes to get some rest
[10:20] <acuster> wtf!?
[10:20] <shaga> I picked ubuntu-9.04-rc-netbook-remix-i386.img and used unetbootin to make the usb boot stick with it
[10:21] <shaga> it chose floppy as a type
[10:22] <jacobw-uk> shaga: no i didn't
[10:22] <shaga> strange
[10:22] <shaga> what program did you use to make that stick?
[10:23] <jacobw-uk> usb-imagewriter
[10:23] <shaga> damn, dont have linux around currently so cant use it :/
[10:23] <jacobw-uk> i follow the instructions on the wiki
[10:23] <jacobw-uk> *followed
[10:23] <Noqq> Hey all, actually got one simple question I think for everyone: I'm downloading the .img file now for my USB, so I can install on my Netbook. But when I installed it and the full release comes in 3 days, how can I easily update?
[10:24] <jacobw-uk> Noqq, the update manager will keep you updated
[10:24] <acuster> how do we ask the dpkg/apt system for the package which provides a particular file?
[10:24] <Noqq> jacobw-uk, so I can easily install today, work with it abit, and on 23rd of april I automatically receive the notification to update to full?
[10:25] <jirka_> Now I have installed new drivers from ati and it is working, Is there any way how to tell people that are managing the drivers that in final relase there should be included this new version?
[10:26] <jacobw-uk> Noqq: yes, but there will probably be updates each day or two leading upto the 23rd, just install all the updates when promped and you'll have the same version of everything as the final release on the release day
[10:26] <jacobw-uk> acuster: `dpkg -S FILENAME`
[10:27] <acuster> thanks
[10:27] <acuster> reinstalling wpasupplicant has fixed things
[10:27] <acuster> cheers all
[10:29] <shaga> testing flasnul now for making the boot stick
[10:30] <acuster> aaaahhhh, much better.
[10:30] <acuster> thanks again all.
[10:30] <atlef> shaga: why not get unetbootin for this task?
[10:31] <shaga> atlef: tried it already
[10:32] <atlef> did it not work?
[10:32] <shaga> nope
[10:32] <shaga> "Not enough memory to load specified kernel."
[10:32] <shaga> and people with the same system have been installing it
[10:32] <shaga> acer aspire one
[10:33] <atlef> shaga: ok, sorry to hear that you can not get it to work. you could try the alternate cd, and install in cli
[10:33] <atlef> !cli
[10:34] <shaga> now it works
[10:34] <atlef> ok
[10:34] <jacobw-uk> shaga: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1105218.html
[10:34] <shaga> thanks anyway :)
[10:34] <jacobw-uk> shaga: jaunty netbook remix on the AA1
[10:34] <Noqq> I can't seem to open the USB Image Writer given in the tutorial from Ubuntu itself. How to open a .deb file?
[10:34] <shaga> jacobw-uk: thanks
[10:36] <Noqq> Can U only run the .img option from your usb device if u already got Ubuntu installed?
[10:39] <starcannon> Hiya everyone, I'm reading some good things about Jackalope in the ubuntuforums.org, it sounds like a kickaxe release
[11:04] <aboSamoor> Hi, on my laptop the font for arabic language in firefox changed for some sites, how can I fix that ?
[11:08] <DRaGoNx> i'm back, pulseaudio is out ! :)
[11:09] <DRaGoNx> sudo apt-get install teamspeak-client
[11:11] <DRaGoNx> still no microphone in teamspeak-client (PulseAudio removed) any help?
[11:13] <DRaGoNx> installing audacity to test the mic...
[11:22] <DRaGoNx> i cannot make my microphone works in Audacity, any help?
[11:23] <Administrator___> .
[11:23] <njsf_> Hi, USB NetBook remix did not install Grub. Any special grub I should be putting on menu.lst or just pointing it to the proper partition and kernel will do ?
[11:24] <vincenzo_ml> Hi all, was there usb breakage recently? My system didn't boot anymore... where can I find more info? should it be added to the topic?
[11:25] <kklimonda> vincenzo_ml: i don't know anything about it - can you provide more info? maybe some bugreport?
[11:26] <vincenzo_ml> kklimonda: I just saw !jaunty | usbnotbooting on #ubuntu and came here to ask :)
[11:26] <vincenzo_ml> !jaunty | usbnotbooting
[11:26] <vincenzo_ml> my system blocks after some usb messages at boot :)
[11:26] <kklimonda> nah, it's just a generic message
[11:26] <kklimonda> if you have some problems you should file a bug
[11:27] <kklimonda> this "Lots of breakage between now and Aprin 23rd" is misleading..
[11:27] <vincenzo_ml> aaaaaaaaaaaaah
[11:27] <vincenzo_ml> I hate you all :)
[11:27] <vincenzo_ml> ok the daily live is booting anyway so my theory was wrong :)
[11:28] <vincenzo_ml> I didn't know today's date until now.
[11:28] <kklimonda> :D
[11:28]  * vincenzo_ml reinstalls
[11:30]  * vincenzo_ml thinks the new timezone selection dialog in ubiquity is *great*
[11:30] <kklimonda> vincenzo_ml: the one with weird colors?
[11:31] <vincenzo_ml> yes it has the current time updated in realtime!
[11:48] <Definitely> Hey All. I remember in Ubuntu Intrepid i was able to turn off CPU Limiting on Demand. It was called PowerNowd service or smth like that. In Jaunty there is still default limiting on demand, but i don't see powernowd, so where can I turn off that thing off ?
[11:49] <kklimonda> Definitely: there is gnome applet which controls it..
[11:50] <kklimonda> Definitely: if you need cli interface then you can install cpufrequtils (i think)
[11:50] <Definitely> For Quad core's i can't always play with gnome appletr.
[11:50] <Definitely> Everytime i reboot it start limiting on demand again..
[11:50] <Definitely> It is such a stupid idea for PC's.
[11:51] <kklimonda> well, actually it's pretty smart - saves energy and ondemand scales CPUs pretty fast
[11:51] <Definitely> No it isn't.
[11:51] <Definitely> It loads nautilus in lower speed.
[11:51] <Definitely> I press to open and i need to wait. If i turn that thing off, everything goes like on air. :)
[11:51] <kklimonda> maybe nautilus is held back by disk i/o ?
[11:51] <kklimonda> oh?
[11:51] <kklimonda> weird
[11:51] <shaga> now done installing rc netbook remix. it's pure goodness and feels very efficient. only facing one problem, integrated mic aint workin too well.. it works but it has lots of pops, too many to have it recording clearly enough to hear what was recorded..
[11:52] <kklimonda> it scales without any delay here
[11:52] <Definitely> If i am buying Quad processor it means that i don't want to save my energy :)
[11:52] <shaga> acer aspire one. anyone else has this problem?
[11:52] <kklimonda> that's true
[11:52] <kklimonda> Definitely: you can't set up governor to "Performance" using gnome applet?
[11:52] <Definitely> kklimonda: I can, but each time I reboot for all cores it starts limiting again :/
[11:57] <Howbag> Hey guys! on a small eee here.. how can I update to jaunty without installing the big apps that come with it? I mean Gimp is useless on this thing, and I got like 2 gigs of storage :/
[11:58] <Howbag> im actually on a 8.04 system, so i guess i have to go through 8.10 first
[11:59] <kklimonda> yeah
[11:59] <jagadeesh> while logging I chose KDE window manager. I do not see any applet. Is it default behavior of kde4.2?
[11:59] <jagadeesh> I am using Jaunty Jackalope
[12:05] <Howbag> kklimonda, was that to what I said? you dont have ny idea how to exclude packages?
[12:05] <kklimonda> Howbag: you can download alternate cd and do minimal installation
[12:05] <kklimonda> Howbag: then just install packages you need
[12:05] <kklimonda> Howbag: you can't upgrade 8.04 to 9.04
[12:06] <Howbag> Okey thanks
[12:06] <Howbag> yeah i guess, gotta upgrade to 810 first
[12:11] <afflux> my media keys (play/pause, stop, previous, forward, start media player - *not* volume) stopped working yesterday. xev shows the corresponding keysyms so it seems g-s-d doesn't catch them. anyone noticed a similar issue?
[12:11] <usbnotbooting> anybody have any suggestions about how to get dell inspiron 5100 to grub successfully and boot to an external usb.  I got error 21.  I tried re-installing grub manually and force it to setup on hd0 and point to sdb.  I still got error21.  I know the Dell Bios for 5100 isn't able to boot off of the flash usb, but it does have USB slots so I figure it should boot off of usb.  Anyone have any suggestions.
[12:12] <usbnotbooting> Yes it is Jaunty Jackelope.
[12:15] <usbnotbooting> I just downloaded the bios utility and see if it helps:  http://ftp.us.dell.com/bios/I5100A32.exe
[12:17] <shaga> how to add weather applet to netbook remix look?
[12:18] <Howbag> shaga, can
[12:18] <Howbag> t you just click the gnome menu?
[12:18] <Howbag> right click and add?
[12:18] <shaga> nope
[12:18] <shaga> because of the maximus
[12:19] <Howbag> oh
[12:19] <shaga> tried enabling default gnome look and add there.. when I switched back to netbook look, its not there
[12:35] <shadeslayer> hi i seem to have the network app that loads in the notification area,any ideas?
[12:35] <shadeslayer> i can see my bluetooth icon but not the wifi one
[12:39] <BUGabundo> humm he weny way
[12:39] <BUGabundo> shadeslayer: png
[12:39] <BUGabundo> *pong
[12:39] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: yes?
[12:39] <BUGabundo> yes seems todays updates are kiling NM-applet
[12:39] <BUGabundo> just start it over
[12:40] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: how??
[12:40] <BUGabundo> alt+f2 and type nm-applet
[12:40] <BUGabundo> shadeslayer: did it work?
[12:42] <kklimonda> damn, i just got some weird kernel bug with ecryptfs..
[12:43] <kklimonda> anyone had this problem: http://pastebin.com/m5d8aa438 ?
[12:44] <shaga> anyone using x360 pc controller on jaunty?
[12:47] <coz_> hey guys .. I am getting a "could not download all repository indexes" error from synaptic. Known?
[12:48] <coz_> also   E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:48] <kklimonda> coz_: some other process is locking dpkg database?
[12:48] <coz_> mm  I dont see that but let me check
[12:49] <BUGabundo> coz_: ps auxw | grep apt
[12:49] <coz_> BUGabundo,    python /usr/lib/packagekit/aptDBUSBackend.py
[12:50] <BUGabundo> update-manager ?
[12:50] <coz_> sorry about that
[12:51] <BUGabundo> lunch - away
[12:51] <coz_> BUGabundo,  http://pastebin.com/m5c43a923
[12:51] <coz_> apparently it is ok now
[12:52] <coz_> sorry to bug you guys
[12:54] <dns53> update manager does check for updates randomly so you must have been unlucky
[13:05] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo: sorry for that,power outage here
[13:06] <shadeslayer> can someone look at bug 363616 and confirm it for me?
[13:07] <shadeslayer> just want to see if it affects only me or others too
[13:16] <deany> having trouble with a t-mobile mobile dongle and setting up in jaunty.  ive got the apn right but its not doing anything.
[13:19] <BUGabundo> back
[13:19] <BUGabundo> deany: file a bug
[13:20] <robin0800_> deany: print apn
[13:20] <BUGabundo> shadeslayer: did it work?
[13:20] <BUGabundo> man he really has the timming
[13:21] <externalusbnotbo> The ubuntu main server is only allowing me to download at roughly 5kbytes/second.  Is this normal?
[13:21] <deany> general.t-mobile.uk
[13:21] <kklimonda> externalusbnotbo: no
[13:21] <kklimonda> externalusbnotbo: try other mirror
[13:21] <deany> number is *99#
[13:21] <deany> I dont even think its being detected.
[13:22] <balachmar> How do I revert to the package maintainer version of /var/lib/dpkg/aternatives/x-window-manager ?
[13:22] <externalusbnotbo> right now I'm only getting 3.5KB/s downloading at all the different mirrors in China and the states.
[13:22] <BUGabundo> externalusbnotbo: it can happen with a lot of new users
[13:22] <BUGabundo> try another mirror or torrents
[13:23] <BUGabundo> externalusbnotbo: could be your ISP
[13:24] <robin0800_> deany: user is user and password is wap correct?
[13:24] <eagles0513875> im having some issues getting shoutcast to start im on ubuntu server jaunty
[13:25] <eagles0513875> i know this isnt the server channel but its dead
[13:25] <deany> lsubb reveals nothing...so i guess im dead in the water
[13:25] <deany> lsusb*
[13:25] <OliverKrueger> Did jaunty changed the way, usb devices are handled? I have a connected usb cam whose power led is always on since jaunty although I have no application running which uses the cam.
[13:25] <eagles0513875> when i try to start the shoutcast script i get bash: ./sc_serv: no such file or directory and im in the directory where the conf is
[13:26] <Cameron> 4 days to go.. sweet
[13:30] <robin0800_> deany: download wvdial and run it in a terminal with sudo it should find yor dongle
[13:30] <shaga> fast question. swfdec, adobe flash or gnash?
[13:30] <shaga> cant decide :)
[13:31] <deany> Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory
[13:32] <deany> im actually bootin from a liveusb stick jaunty with latest updates. i`ll try wvdial on my main 8.10.
[13:32] <robin0800_> deany: its /dev/ttyUSB0
[13:33] <eagles0513875> anyone a shoutcast expert on here
[13:33] <deany> robin0800_, there isnt a ttyUSB
[13:35] <BUGabundo> shaga: flash :(
[13:35] <shaga> :)
[13:38] <deany> robin0800_, i know its not jaunty related but im getting the same on my "real" install of 8.10 too. there is no ttyUSB*
[13:38] <deany> --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60
[13:38] <deany> --> Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory
[13:39] <robin0800_> deany: its plugged into usb ?
[13:39] <deany> yup
[13:39] <deany> blue ligjt flashing twice every few seconds.
[13:39] <deany> light*
[13:40] <deany> lsusb displays this line. Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0af0:7501 Option     ive read NV option is something to do it tho
[13:40] <robin0800_> deany: Well it wont be dev/modem then that is internal or serial port
[13:41] <deany> its a G1 dongle
[13:42] <robin0800_> deany: Download gnome-ppp and try that note you must run this with gksu to let it access pppd
[13:43] <deany> I thought network manager was made for this :(
[13:45] <robin0800_> deany: It is but its not working for you  gnome-ppp uses wvdial a terminal program to run ppp
[13:45] <deany> still no go
[13:45] <deany> in gnome-ppp setup it lists /devmodem and /dev/ttyS0 to ttyS3
[13:46] <deany> "detect"  does nothing
[13:49] <robin0800_> deany: try typing /dev/ttyUSB0
[13:49] <stefanlsd> Does anyone know how i adjust CPU freq with hal?  Its running at 800mhz and im not sure why
[13:49] <deany> even tried it on a netbook with 8.04 and no go.  guess i have to crawl back to windows
[13:52] <Shappie> Hello, somebody can help me setting up a dualscreen setup using fglrx driver? (ATi HD3850 card, kubuntu 9.04 up to date)
[13:53] <Shappie> I got 2 20inch DVI screens plugged into my computer. And i would like to use a big desktop mode. So i can drag and drop programs around the two screens.
[13:55] <Shappie> I also just reinstalled the OS so that everything is clean...
[14:01] <Shappie> Nobody can help me?
[14:01] <BUGabundo> Shappie: I don't use ati
[14:01] <Shappie> ok
[14:01] <Shappie> The problem is i normally use RandR but fglrx doesnt support RandR
[14:01] <Shappie> And the aticonfig command for dualhead doesnt quite work...
[14:01] <atlef> Shappie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=301941
[14:02] <Shappie> and when i try to activate fglrx the program jockey-kde crashes
[14:03] <BUGabundo> Shappie: $ xrandr --auto helps?
[14:03] <BUGabundo> or using the -ati driver instead?
[14:03] <BUGabundo> maybe you can get extra help on #ubuntu-x
[14:04] <Shappie> what for channel is ubuntu-x?
[14:05] <jagadeesh> I installed kubuntu-desktop and after login I did not find any applets and desktop icons
[14:05] <jagadeesh> am I missing something?
[14:06] <BUGabundo> jagadeesh: have you read release notes?
[14:07] <jagadeesh> BUGabundo: any quick help for impatient?
[14:07] <BUGabundo> there are a few hints for kubuntu you may want to read
[14:07] <BUGabundo> see link in /topic
[14:08] <jagadeesh> ok
[14:08] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[14:08] <Definitely> How I can disable CPU Frequency Scaling in Jaunty ? There is no powernowd nomore :/
[14:08] <jagadeesh> thanks for link
[14:08] <Shappie> atlef: I looked into your link but the guide is pretty old. I found on the last page someone with the same problem
[14:08] <Shappie> he got a solution so ty for the link. I will try it!
[14:09] <atlef> Shappie: sorry, didn't check the age of the thread
[14:09] <Shappie> atlef: np i think i found something there :)
[14:10] <atlef> Shappie: you could also check the unofficial ati site : http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page
[14:10] <BUGabundo> Definitely: why do u need that?
[14:11] <Definitely> Because my Quad Core Q6600 2,4 Ghz cpu is limited all cores
[14:11] <Definitely> to 1,6 Ghz
[14:11] <Definitely> It is such a stupid idea for me
[14:11] <Definitely> I need performance.
[14:11] <Shappie> Yea, the guy in in that thread said to install lastest ATi drivers so now im on that site following instructiond ;)
[14:11] <BUGabundo> atlef: don't recommed non-archive drivers please
[14:11] <Definitely> Nautilus opens slower when CPU is limited.
[14:11] <Shappie> Definitility: That is just for energy saving. As soon as you need the extra speed it will be used
[14:11] <BUGabundo> Definitely: if you do something that actually needs power won't they all be used as needed?
[14:11] <atlef> BUGabundo: ok, didn't know
[14:12] <Shappie> My E6750 on 2.67GHz runs on 2Ghz most of the time
[14:12] <Shappie> when you need the extra performance it wil go up to 2.67ghz
[14:12] <BUGabundo> atlef: we are in a state that need to fixed the existing bugs, not open more
[14:12] <Definitely> BUGabundo: NAUTILUS OPENS SLOWER when CPU is limited. I tested that. I wana get full performance.
[14:12] <Definitely> I don't want to save energy
[14:12] <Definitely> That's why I bought Quad Core CPU.
[14:12] <BUGabundo> Definitely: my C2D is at 1.2 and easilly goes up to 2.4 when needed
[14:12] <Shappie> Yea BUGabundo same here...
[14:12] <Definitely> I wana always be at 2,4 Ghz.
[14:13] <Shappie> why?
[14:13] <Definitely> because to work faster.
[14:13] <Definitely> It never uses 2,4 Ghz for any work.
[14:13] <Shappie> but i think there is a applet for you...
[14:13] <BUGabundo> Definitely: NO, you bought a C4Q to use it when needed! please safe the World ok ?
[14:13] <Shappie> you use gnome?
[14:13] <Definitely> Yeah i use gnome.
[14:13] <Definitely> BUGabundo: I don't want to save world
[14:13] <Definitely> I wana get performance.
[14:13] <BUGabundo> Definitely: the kernel wil go UP as soon as it needs to!
[14:13] <Shappie> As far as i know there is a applet for processor speed
[14:13] <Definitely> Can you simply just say how to turn off that shit :) ?
[14:13] <atlef> Definitely: maybe it needs to be disabled in the BIOS
[14:13] <BUGabundo> if it doesn't then it's a bug
[14:13] <Shappie> you can add it to your panel ;)
[14:13] <BUGabundo> you should file it and it will get fixed
[14:14] <BUGabundo> you are the 1st here to mention such a behaviour!
[14:14] <Definitely> Shappie: Each time i reboot
[14:14] <Definitely> it is reseted to limit again.
[14:14] <Shappie> ok
[14:14] <BUGabundo> either your board/bios as a bug or kernel does
[14:14] <Shappie> then i dont know ;)
[14:14] <Definitely> BUGabundo: maybe here, but not in bios.
[14:14] <Definitely> My BIOS is ok
[14:14] <Definitely> it works with Winblows properly
[14:14] <Shappie> If i were you i wouldnt worry about it...
[14:14] <Definitely> Doh
[14:14] <BUGabundo> the applet can do the work
[14:14] <BUGabundo> just needs to be set uid to root
[14:14] <Definitely> The Applet reset configs
[14:14] <Definitely> each time i reboot.
[14:14] <BUGabundo> by running sudo dpkg --reconfigure gnome-applet
[14:15] <Definitely> ...............
[14:15] <BUGabundo> Definitely: just because Windows Works, doesn't mean there isn't a bug in the BIOS
[14:15] <Definitely> It wasn't any kind of this problem with Mac OS X and Winblows and Fedora
[14:15] <BUGabundo> just means windows is stupid and does stuff other then the HW tells it to do
[14:15] <timc> i have the same problem as BUGabundo. it is annoying to reset it every restart.
[14:15] <Definitely> So what's the point to blame my BIOS ?
[14:15] <Shappie> Definitely BUGabundo just gave you the answer...
[14:16] <Definitely> Shappie: he doesn't
[14:16] <BUGabundo> timc: did you file a bug? Definitely seems not to want to
[14:16] <Shappie> lol he did
[14:16] <Shappie> you have to set uid to root...
[14:16] <timc> sorry, i meant Definitely.
[14:16] <BUGabundo> Shappie: he is not reading.... just shooting against us
[14:16] <Shappie> ye indeed :(
[14:16] <Definitely> Ok i will do that.
[14:16] <Shappie> [15:14:38] <BUGabundo> the applet can do the work
[14:16] <Shappie> [15:14:44] <BUGabundo> just needs to be set uid to root
[14:16] <Shappie> [15:14:45] <Definitely> The Applet reset configs
[14:16] <Shappie> [15:14:47] <Definitely> each time i reboot.
[14:16] <Shappie> [15:14:58] <BUGabundo> by running sudo dpkg --reconfigure gnome-applet
[14:16] <BUGabundo> you can also just echo in boot the profile you want!
[14:17] <BUGabundo> but I would advise you to do that
[14:17] <kklimonda> Definitely: an ugly fix would be to add line
[14:17] <Shappie> Try that first if that doesnt work come back and we look further
[14:17] <BUGabundo> all current CPU studies show that CPU/Kernel load handling is better done in real time
[14:17] <kklimonda> echo "performance" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/scaling_governoer
[14:17] <BUGabundo> it *SHOULD* go up when needed
[14:17] <kklimonda> scaling_governor
[14:17] <timc> actually, my apologies BUGabundo. i didn't notice i was in +1. i'm still on intrepid.
[14:17] <BUGabundo> unless the app is niced not to
[14:17] <Shappie> and with me it does go up when needed
[14:18] <Definitely> timc: Disable powernowd service then.
[14:18] <BUGabundo> timc: np
[14:18] <kklimonda> Definitely: to rc.local
[14:18] <BUGabundo> Definitely: please file a bug if your CPU doesn't go up to MAX when the OS load requires it too
[14:18] <Definitely> BUGabundo: Doooooooh.
[14:18] <BUGabundo> Definitely: $ ubuntu-bug linux
[14:19] <Definitely> If your OS always will use all cpu PERformance it will work faster
[14:19] <BUGabundo> its that easy
[14:19] <Definitely> If your os will use only when it needs
[14:19] <BUGabundo> Definitely: FALSE
[14:19] <Definitely> it will work slower like now.
[14:19] <kklimonda> Definitely: it shouldn't be noticable
[14:19] <Shappie> Definitely: Watch your language... be nice to each other.. You are getting free support and you act like this?
[14:19] <Definitely> My Nautilus opens in 1-2 seconds with Limit
[14:19] <Definitely> Without limtis
[14:19] <Definitely> it opens when i ask.
[14:19] <kklimonda> Definitely: ondemand governor should scale up processor as soon as it requires more power
[14:19] <BUGabundo> the time to get it up 4 level of scals is two cpu cycles
[14:19] <BUGabundo> nothing I know ends before that
[14:19] <kklimonda> Definitely: and how long with ondemand?
[14:19] <Definitely> kklimonda: Scaling isn't as fast as nautilus needs for opening.
[14:20] <BUGabundo> Definitely: if that happens you may have discovered a bug! that's why I already told you to file a bug 4x
[14:20] <kklimonda> Definitely: works here - nautilus opens in 2-3 seconds.
[14:20] <Definitely> kklimonda: 2-3 seconds ? such a slow time.
[14:20] <Definitely> :)
[14:20] <jagadeesh> BUGabundo: release did not answer my applet display problem.
[14:20] <BUGabundo> mine takes 1 sec
[14:20] <BUGabundo> let me time it for you
[14:20] <BUGabundo> $ time nautilus
[14:20] <BUGabundo> real	0m0.317s
[14:20] <BUGabundo> user	0m0.036s
[14:20] <BUGabundo> sys	0m0.028s
[14:21] <BUGabundo> beat that
[14:21] <BUGabundo> didn't even used CPU for it
[14:21] <BUGabundo> now pastebin yours Definitely
[14:21] <kklimonda> Definitely: most of the time is lost on stating directory and it doesn't really depend on cpu
[14:21] <Definitely> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/154057/
[14:21] <Shappie> lol :P
[14:22] <Definitely> without limits
[14:22] <kklimonda> Definitely: and with limits?
[14:22] <BUGabundo> oh much faster then mine
[14:22] <BUGabundo> but I "only" have a 2.4 C2D
[14:22] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:22] <BUGabundo> on a laptop
[14:22] <kklimonda> it's not really a test
[14:23] <Definitely> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/154060/
[14:23] <Definitely> 2x slower with limits.
[14:23] <BUGabundo> 0,1 sec?
[14:23] <BUGabundo> are you kidding me ?
[14:23] <Definitely> Dunno how it counts
[14:23] <Definitely> but i feel.
[14:23] <BUGabundo> Definitely: what HDs do you have?
[14:23] <kklimonda> what you would have to measure is time from running nautilus command up to the moment when folder is displayed
[14:23] <BUGabundo> HDD or SSD?
[14:23] <Definitely> HDD
[14:24] <BUGabundo> RAID?
[14:24] <Definitely> Linux is with EXt4 in IDE HDD 120 GB
[14:24] <Definitely> I dunno what raid means :D
[14:24] <BUGabundo> then you don't have it
[14:24] <BUGabundo> is ext4 fresh formated or upgraded from ext3 ?
[14:25] <Definitely> But a speed is realy noticeble for my eyes. :)
[14:25] <Definitely> Fresh Formated
[14:25] <Definitely> The same was with intrepid with EXT3
[14:25] <Definitely> the speed was noticeble, but i disable cpu limiting by disabling powernowd
[14:25] <Shappie> Im off for a reboot. brb
[14:26] <kklimonda> Definitely: add line
[14:26] <kklimonda> for i in 0 1 2 3; do echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu$i/cpufreq/scaling_governor; done
[14:26] <kklimonda> to /etc/rc.local before exit 0
[14:26] <BUGabundo> Definitely: file a bug, and let kernel team do there job
[14:27] <BUGabundo> post also those messures
[14:27] <BUGabundo> autch! just got all my screen corrupted!
[14:27] <BUGabundo> should have taken a print screen
[14:28] <Definitely> kklimonda: I this tested ?
[14:29] <shaga> hmm.. ubuntu netbook remix defaults to ext3 in partitioning. I think I'm in need of a reinstall to get ext2 instead :/
[14:29] <shaga> ssd here
[14:29] <BUGabundo> shaga: why?
[14:29] <kklimonda> Definitely: At worst it just wont work
[14:29] <BUGabundo> disk wear out?
[14:29] <shaga> yeah
[14:29] <shaga> and also I've heard it takes more battery
[14:29] <Definitely> kklimonda: brb first need to reboot to check BUGabundos suggesting which i safer i think :)
[14:30] <kklimonda> Definitely: when i run it on my c2d it switches governors for both cores to performance
[14:30] <Barridus> shaga, yeah definitely use ex2 for ssd
[14:31] <Shappie> I got fglrx to work now. Now i only have to enable dualscreen
[14:32] <Shappie> Normally you can do this in the Catalyst Control Center. But if i try to choose for big desktop i cant. The only option is : unknown.
[14:32] <slevin_kalevra> which is the best place to discuss gnome 3??
[14:32] <Shappie> So it looks like he dont understand how my screens are setup...
[14:32] <kklimonda> slevin_kalevra: desktop-devel-list on gnome mailing lists
[14:32] <Barridus> shaga, you may find some of this relevant to you (reduce SSD wear section) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne110L
[14:33] <nibsa1242b> Need help diagnosing why CPU usage is at 100% & full CPU speed while not doing anything
[14:33] <Barridus> i don't have a SSD but i'm always seeing those tips for those that do.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:34] <nibsa1242b> Also, where did the channel list go in X-CHAT... its very confusing
[14:34] <shaga> Barridus: I did that some time ago.. havent checked yet but I thought netbook remix Jaunty would be optimised for netbooks with ssd/hdd
[14:34] <nibsa1242b> ok, figured out I had to enable sidebar
[14:34] <shaga> so it would have tweaks integrated or something
[14:34] <robin0800> BluesKaj: its the middle of the afternoon here UK
[14:34] <Barridus> shaga, well ssd and hd are totally different
[14:34] <Barridus> i have a hd netbook myself i use ext4
[14:35] <shaga> yeah, reinstalling now to get ext2
[14:35] <shaga> not sure if I should make a ram drive at all..
[14:35] <BluesKaj> robin0800 , well it's 9:35 in the morning here :)
[14:35] <slevin_kalevra> kklimonda: irc channel needed n ot mailing list then?
[14:35] <nibsa1242b> Ok... high cpu issue - dbus-daemon is using ~30%, tracker-indexer 18%, python 7%, python 7%. Yet, CPU usage shows 100%.
[14:36] <Barridus> shaga, up to you, and up to the speed of your SSD.  i've seen some that take hours to do system patch writes
[14:36] <BluesKaj> robin0800,  here=Ontario Canada
[14:36] <shaga> heh, thanks for the tips
[14:36] <Barridus> sure ::D
[14:36] <Barridus> -:
[14:37] <nibsa1242b> by the way, did upgrading to Jaunty cause the tracker database to become corrupted for anyone else?
[14:37] <Barridus> but then again it was in xp those netbooks were, i imagine a lot of that was poor os or installation thereof, but i'm sure a lot of it was the charactistics of the SSD models
[14:37] <Barridus> shaga, how long did the ubuntu fresh install take?
[14:38] <shaga> about 15-20 minutes
[14:38] <Barridus> ah cool
[14:38] <Barridus> also, i might mention I don't use the netbook remix, you might try without too.  it just modifies gnome really
[14:39] <nibsa1242b> <--- good things about Jaunty --- My sound w/ Pulse seems to be working properly with no issues.
[14:40] <shaga> it is switchable through the gui
[14:40] <Barridus> yeah but it glitches up
[14:40] <Barridus> or at least *did* i should say.  switching back and forth would destroy my panels
[14:41] <shaga> I tried two times and it went well :)
[14:41] <Shappie> BUGabundo: Should i start a forum thread for my dualscreen setup?
[14:41] <Barridus> i just find setting nautilus to use single clicks to launch things is fine, and also setting the DPI in xorg as well as changing the fonts to 9point
[14:42] <Barridus> shaga, give it a real stress test.  it would only happen occasionally, but it was extremely annoying to happen when you weren't expecting it
[14:42] <shaga> heh, I will. lets hope it keeps on working
[14:42] <Barridus> yeah let me know please
[14:42] <Barridus> i'd like to have it as a switchable option
[14:43] <Barridus> although i could just test it myself when i have time
[14:44] <shaga> I'll tell if it stops working :)
[14:45] <Roberth1> hello
[14:45] <Barridus> so you put the netbookremix install .img on a usb key?
[14:45] <Barridus> shaga^
[14:45] <shaga> yeah
[14:46] <Barridus> what tool did you use to do that
[14:46] <nibsa1242b> how do I set up Flash on 9.04? flashplugin-nonfree is already installed 10.0.22.87ubuntu2 however I have no flash
[14:46] <shaga> didnt work with unetbootin
[14:46] <Roberth1> does 9.04 have an updated drm that supports r600/r700 chipsets from ati?
[14:46] <shaga> used something else, let me look for it
[14:46] <Barridus> yeah
[14:46] <shaga> used flashnul
[14:46] <deany> Barridus, dd if=file.img of=/dev/whateverusb bs=1024
[14:46] <Roberth1> Barridus: yeah to what?
[14:47] <nibsa1242b> shaga: flashnul, ok I'll look into that
[14:47] <Barridus> Roberth1, to shaga, sorry
[14:47] <shaga> dd for linux
[14:47] <shaga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR#From%20Windows%20Command%20Prompt%20using%20flashnul did it like that
[14:48] <Barridus> thanks shaga, deany
[14:49] <macvr> hi all... i'm having problems with my firewall,  how do i check if port is open?
[14:51] <nibsa1242b> ok, got my flash working... I just had to reinstall flash-plugin installer... during the upgrade I lost my Internet connection, so it couldn't download flash when it wanted to.
[14:52] <Barridus> medibuntu is handy for things like installing flash, you used it
[14:52] <Barridus> ?
[14:52] <thiebaude> !medibuntu
[14:53] <yml> Hello, I am testing the RC of kubuntu on an HP DV6 1030 ef. most of the things I have tested work out of the box except the sound
[14:53] <confrey> hi everybody
[14:54] <yml> aplay -l give me this : http://dpaste.com/35492/
[14:54] <confrey> I've installed kubuntu beta 9.04, but I can't find qcpi-cpufreq module.... why?
[14:55] <yml> on #kubuntu I have been directed here because people told me that I might find more information here on this specific issue
[14:56] <Shappie> Is there a gmail mail checker plasmoid available?
[14:56] <robin0800> yml: alsa or pulse audio?
[14:56] <Shappie> for kubuntu 9.04 ofc
[14:56] <Roberth1> anyone?
[14:56] <yml> robin0800: I think I am using pulse audio
[14:56] <Trewas> confrey: frequency scaling modules are now built-in
[14:56] <Elob> Heya
[14:57] <Elob> I am getting hundreds of debsums: checksum mismatch computer-janitor-gtk file /usr/share/applications/computer-janitor messages
[14:57] <yml> at least this is what is selected in multimedia
[14:57] <Elob> When running debsum
[14:57] <Elob> and it seems to fail on ever *.desktop file
[14:57] <Elob> eg debsums: checksum mismatch app-install-data file /usr/share/app-install/desktop/zapping.desktop
[14:57] <Elob> is this normal?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> robin0800 , pulse audio and alsa work together...alsa runs on top of Pulseaudio
[14:58] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[14:58] <yml> and when i start to read a cd I can visualize the sound on pavucontrol or pavumeter but I do not hear anything
[14:58] <BluesKaj> !alsa
[15:04] <confrey> anybody using eeepc?
[15:05] <confrey> I was hoping this ubuntu version works better, but it's incredibly slow, I was waiting for new xorg, new kernel and new intel driver, but nothing chamges
[15:07] <Barridus> regular jaunty rc works out of box on the aspireone
[15:07] <Barridus> (assuming your bios are up to date on the acer)
[15:08] <shaga> havent updated bios(bought it last summer) and everything except integrated mic(at least well enough) worked oob
[15:08] <Barridus> i've heard the non-intel gpu netbooks are a pain, since nvidia and ati are slooooooooooooooow in releasing their proper drivers
[15:08] <Barridus> proprietary*
[15:11] <Barridus> not sure what you have, confrey, but you may be somewhat stuck until your gpu maker gets off their butt
[15:11] <thiebaude> but i dont understand about intel, been using it since 6.06
[15:14] <Barridus> context, thiebaude ?
[15:15] <thiebaude> yea, Barridus, i was referring to the x freezing,lol
[15:16] <thiebaude> Barridus: i went ahead and ordered the 9.04 cd
[15:16] <Barridus> oops heh..  so you have intel gpu?
[15:16] <thiebaude> oh yea
[15:16] <thiebaude> i815
[15:16] <Barridus> ok i just assumed you had one of the nvidia or ati eee's
[15:16] <siavash_> can anyone  help me disable kwin for compiz in kubuntu 9.04?
[15:16] <thiebaude> Barridus: i wish i did
[15:16] <Barridus> since i usually hear that program associated with it
[15:16] <thiebaude> lol
[15:16] <Barridus> yeah i bet
[15:17] <Barridus> i'll only go intel for linux boxes until further notice
[15:17] <thiebaude> Barridus: i'am sure a clean install will do the job
[15:17] <Barridus> maybe
[15:17] <thiebaude> Barridus: usally the older intels are great on linux
[15:17] <BluesKaj> siavash_ , you don't need to disable kwin , just switch window managers
[15:18] <BluesKaj> to compiz
[15:18] <Barridus> gotta love the reality of companies trying to keep proprietary secrets in the open source and transparent world
[15:18] <siavash_> BluesKaj: how? I installed compiz but couldn't get it to work
[15:19] <thiebaude> Barridus: i dont know i thought intel was working with the ubuntu devs
[15:19] <Barridus> yeah when i first installed hardy on this acer, you could not believe what a huge grin i had when it booted out of box with compiz working
[15:19] <BluesKaj> siavash_ , compiz -fusion and emerald ?
[15:19] <Barridus> when my first ever ubuntu experience was a black-screen xorg glitch on an old nvidia dell :p
[15:19] <thiebaude> Barridus: the ubuntu's before 9.04 works right out of the box no problems at all
[15:20] <siavash_> BluesKaj: I don't know about emerald
[15:20] <thiebaude> the new xorg might be the problem
[15:20] <siavash_> BluesKaj: I got used  kPackageKit
[15:21] <Barridus> learning linux?  $0.  troubleshooting an empty xorg.conf?  $0.  learning linux from the beginning and handcreating a xorg.conf for something you aren't even sure of the specs of?  priceless.
[15:21] <siavash_> BluesKaj: Now I have no compiz and alt+F2 doesn't work :(
[15:21] <thiebaude> Barridus: soo true, my xorg is always empty
[15:22] <BluesKaj> siavash_ , look for emerald and compiz-fusion in the packagekit
[15:22] <Barridus> yeah and the nvidia driver would default the video out to the vga port instead of the laptop panel
[15:22] <BluesKaj> !adept
[15:22] <Barridus> that was untimately the problem, they never fixed that
[15:23] <siavash_> BluesKaj: got it
[15:24] <BluesKaj> xorg.conf is beditable anymore , the HAL dependence is too great , any changes breaks X ...that's been my experience.
[15:25] <siavash_> BluesKaj: is there a way i can get alt+f2 back?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> err xoerg.conf is barely editable
[15:26] <BluesKaj> siavash_ , the run command alt+F2 works on my seyup , but right ckick on the desktop and choose it in the dialog box that pops up
[15:27] <siavash_> hah that works
[15:32] <siavash_> BluesKaj: I installed compiz, but now it's all weird
[15:33] <bardyr> How can i disable ipv6?!?! all internet is almost completely broken because it tries using ipv6
[15:33] <siavash_> BluesKaj:compiz thinks i have 2 spaces where pager thinks i have 1
[15:33] <thiebaude> bardyr: in firefox about:config
[15:33] <bardyr> thiebaude, its not just firefox, its apt-get, and all other application
[15:34] <thiebaude> ok
[15:40] <siavash_> BlueKaj: did you have a similar problem?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> no
[15:40] <siavash_> it's all messed up
[15:40] <siavash_> haha
[15:40] <ramvi> What do I write into terminal to install all languages in jaunty? (I don't need writing aid and so on.) I just want to be able to select all languages available to ubuntu without installing anything.
[15:42] <Strider^> hi
[15:42] <BluesKaj> siavash_ , then uninstall/purge it , then reinstall\
[15:42] <siavash_> BlueKaj: It's good now
[15:43] <siavash_> BlueKaj: but it seems like i have to run compiz manually everytime I restart
[15:43] <siavash_> BlueKaj:can i fix that?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> siavash_, dunno how to fix that or if it's eevn possible , maybe in sys settings/login
[15:45] <BluesKaj> I have the same prob
[15:45] <siavash_> oh
[15:46] <Strider^> anyone knows how to use the ia32-apt-get package ?
[15:46] <siavash_> there must be a way to automatically run something when the system boots
[15:46] <BluesKaj> I don't use compiz all that much unless i need 3 or 4 pages open simultaneously
[15:46] <Strider^> it seems that there is a new way to install 32bit packages in jaunty
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Strider^ , search ia32 in your pkg manager
[15:47] <zash_> ramvi: http://p.zash.se/8cyIlg.txt
[15:47] <zash_> ramvi: that gives you all language meta-packages
[15:47] <ramvi> thanks zash_1
[15:47] <zash_> ramvi: so, sometging like sudo aptitude install $( that command ) should work
[15:48] <siavash_> i bet you can do it through sessions
[15:49] <Strider^> BluesKaj, i have no problem installing the package, i'm just trying to figure out the proper way to install 32 bit programs on my 64bit system
[15:49] <dns53> siavash_ system > preferences > startup applications
[15:49] <siavash_> dns53 Thanks
[15:49] <BluesKaj> siavash_ , I had some freezes yesterday while using compiz , so don't expect perfection yet
[15:49] <siavash_> BlueKaj that's alright
[15:50] <siavash_> BlueKaj it's a RC
[15:50] <BluesKaj> Strider^ , if you have ia32 installed then the 32 bit pkgs should install and run without probs.
[15:51] <siavash_> dns53 isn't that for gnome?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> !ia32
[15:51] <shadeslayer> hi suppose i set up a adhoc wifi network,how do i check which devices are connected?
[15:51] <dns53> yes, but there is probably something similar in kde and xfce
[15:51] <Strider^> hmm
[15:52] <siavash_> dns53 found it, Autostart in System Settings. It's my first experience in KDE so I'm still getting used to it
[15:52] <shadeslayer> network:/// ??
[15:53] <dns53> shadeslayer probably worth a try i just run nmap and scan for computers myself but that's just me
[15:53] <Strider^> well i'll try reinstalling ia32-apt-get hoping that it will not break my sources.list this time
[15:54] <siavash_> I was pleasently surprised to see BTNX working in 9.04
[15:54] <shadeslayer> dns53: is nmap gui?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Strider^ , look in adept or kpackage manager and search ia32 , the apps may have a different name but ia32 is underlying engine so to speak.
[15:55] <dns53> nmap is the tool used to scan your network for computers and what ports they have open
[15:55] <Strider^> in jaunty there are very few packages starting with ia32
[15:55] <shadeslayer> dns53: no imean is the app gui or cli ??
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Strider^ , ia32-apt-get won't do it
[15:55] <Strider^> i have the libs installed
[15:55] <shadeslayer> * i mean
[15:56] <Strider^> got epxe to work fine
[15:56] <Strider^> epsxe sorry
[15:56] <dns53> cli but there are wrappes, windows has a gui
[15:56] <Strider^> now i'm trying to get mplayer
[15:56] <shadeslayer> oh cli,i want something GUI since im not the who is going to use it
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Strider^ , ia32 adapts 32 bit packages to run on 64bit , you don't need apps that are named as such
[15:57] <dns53> nmapsi4 zenmap are gui's
[15:57] <BluesKaj> mplayer has a 64 bit version I'm sure
[15:58] <Strider^> but how do i tell the package manager to install the 32bit version
[15:58] <Strider^> yes, i'd like both 32 and 64bit versions of mplayer
[15:58] <BluesKaj> why ?
[15:58] <Strider^> so i can use w32-codecs
[15:58] <dns53> install the 32 bit compat libraries, download the dpkg and run dpkg --ignore-arch or something
[15:59] <dns53> there is win64 codecs as well
[15:59] <Strider^> yes but it's not the same as win32 codecs
[15:59] <Strider^> not as many codecs are in w64
[16:02] <dns53> well then just install the 32 bit package manually and tell it to ignore the archatecture, there is a package that allows you to run 32 bit apps on a 64 bit machine
[16:03] <unko> what the command to do update distro? isn't it like update-manager -d ?
[16:04] <dns53> yes, though you need to turn on devel releases in the sources gui as it is not released yet
[16:04] <Strider^> if i install a 32bit package, won't that conflict with the 64bit version of the same package ?
[16:04] <dns53> yes
[16:06] <topyli> is everybody's epiphany broken or is it just me? looks like we have no javascript
[16:08] <crdlb> topyli: 'enable javascript' checked in preferences? :)
[16:08] <siavash_> BlueKaj: Do you get the error: "Configuration file "/home/User/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc"not writable."?
[16:09] <topyli> crdlb: yes :)
[16:11] <soc1> hi
[16:11] <soc1> does someone know if ship-it sends 32bit or 64bit cds?
[16:11] <crdlb> topyli: I'm using epiphany with webkit mainly, but the epiphany-gecko in the repos seems to work here
[16:12] <crdlb> I assume firefox works?
[16:12] <soc1> there is only a quantity option, but no explanation if these cds will be 64bit or 32bit ...
[16:12] <topyli> crdlb: yes firefox works
[16:12] <the_dark_warrio> has anyone experienced problems with two monitors? When I open synaptic or anything that uses gksu, that black screen which fades the desktop is bugged.
[16:15] <deany> whats it gonna take for jaunty to stop askin for the password for the keyring to connect to my wifi network. ive set the keyring pass to the pass of the user logged in...
[16:17] <TheRealBigApple> Hi! Is it normal that the progress bar in Totem isn't orange, anymore?
[16:18] <TheRealBigApple> http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6836/screenshotpkinternetzen.png
[16:18] <TheRealBigApple> In Banshee its the same
[16:18] <crdlb> then, I would say yes ...
[16:19] <ajavid> hey
[16:19] <ajavid> crdlb, !!!
[16:19]  * crdlb isn't using human though
[16:19] <ajavid> whats up
[16:19] <ajavid> you may know me as stoned
[16:19] <TheRealBigApple> Ok, thx!
[16:19] <ajavid> from compiz-confusion
[16:20] <ajavid> :)
[16:20] <crdlb> TheRealBigApple: "Human-Clearlooks" will give you the old look
[16:20] <crdlb> ajavid: how could I forget? :)
[16:20] <ajavid> :)
[16:20] <TheRealBigApple> I don't miss it, I just were not sure if its normal. ;)
[16:26] <amikrop> Hello. If I upgrade now to the RC, will I get the final, official, stable release in 4 days just with daily updates?
[16:26] <amikrop> (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade)
[16:31] <edgy> Hi, I can boot into my genric kernel but not in to linux-image-2.6.28-11-server, I can't see the login screen which I guess is an X issue, any hint?
[16:35] <Abron_Gru> amikrop : yes
[16:36] <amikrop> Abron_Gru: ok, thank you
[16:36] <crdlb> edgy: not that it shouldn't work, but why do you need X with a -server kernel anyway?
[16:39] <edgy> crdlb, ok forget about X now, I just want to see the login prompt, I can't
[16:39] <edgy> crdlb, actually I only want to try xen
[16:42] <SuperQ> I'm having crash issues with 9.04-RC (live cd copied to USB flash drive), amd64.  Sometimes I see a small amount of video corruption.  Mouse still works, everything else is frozen
[16:42] <SuperQ> That is, mouse cursor moves, but can't click on anything.
[16:43] <crdlb> edgy: what video driver and how did you install it?
[16:45] <MTecknology> Can you guys install tor? I try to install it but it says "No candidate version found for tor". I try to run tor and it tells me apt-get install tor to install it
[16:45] <MTecknology> E: Package tor has no installation candidate
[16:46] <crdlb> apt-cache policy doesn't show it here
[16:46] <MTecknology> odd
[16:46] <MTecknology> ok
[16:48] <SeySayux> why is jaunty so laggy compared to intrepid? i'm using kde 4.2, but on intrepid it worked great, but now it looks almost like i'm trying to run vista on a pentium II ...
[16:50] <SeySayux> and these weird black lines through my windows, what's that?
[16:50] <Barridus> hi guys/gals. is there a command to deliberately trigger monitor power saving?
[16:51] <edgy> crdlb, ati fglrx using jockey
[16:51] <edgy> MTecknology, i remember its deleted because of maintenance issue
[16:52] <MTecknology> edgy: thanks
[16:52] <crdlb> edgy: maybe a fglrx problem :/
[16:52] <crdlb> the driver in jaunty is just a beta
[16:52] <SuperQ> Barridus: that doesn't sound like a 9.04 specific issue
[16:52] <henry-nicolas> Hello everybody, I just installed 9.04 yesterday (working fine), a simple question : I would like to use the new sound mixer introduced in gnome 2.26 (working on top of pulseaudio), this one : http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.26/#rnusers.volume
[16:52] <henry-nicolas> I'm still getting the old one, any idea on how to get the new ?
[16:52] <SeySayux> i guess that since 'it works for [you]', i'm just gonna see if those updates i just installed something....
[16:54] <the_dark_warrio> There is a bug with the New Wave theme, on GVim tab bar. Has anyone noticed this?
[16:57] <SeySayux> if Ubuntu can't do something simple as rendering a window, letting me move a window without 'teleportations', or let me type 5 letters after each other, i'm back to vista
[16:58] <SuperQ> SeySayux: Seriously, that kind of threat is really non-productive
[16:59] <void^> !doesntwork
[16:59] <SeySayux> and *please*, when are they going to disable that *annoying* tap-to-click? the person that made that the default surely is the same one that made 1600x1200 the 'default' resolution if your resolution cannot be recognized
[16:59] <SeySayux> hey, didn't i say what doesn't work?
[17:00] <SuperQ> SeySayux: Just go back to vista, this is a channel for productively fixing bugs in a beta release
[17:00] <SeySayux> a beta release that's due to a week.
[17:00] <SeySayux> even less
[17:00] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: my ubuntu works like a charm
[17:01] <elob> I think I have found a bug
[17:01] <SeySayux> nice attitude, "It works for me, so if other people have problems, well, that's not my problem" *annoying* tap-to-click
[17:01] <elob> If you run a full screen application on your left desktop
[17:01] <elob> then you switch to your right desktop
[17:01] <elob> then back to the left
[17:01] <elob> the icon on the mini display moves to the right then back to the left quickly
[17:02] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: maybe you should start saying what hardware you have, and try to elaborate more the bugs you have found
[17:02] <SuperQ> elob: by "switch to your right desktop" do you mean moving the mouse cursor?
[17:02] <elob> SuperQ: by desktop I mean workspace
[17:02] <SuperQ> elob: or do you mean picking up the full screen app by the top bar and moving it
[17:03] <SuperQ> ok
[17:03] <SeySayux> graphics card: intel gma x3100, complains: black lines, serious lag on desktop (ie "teleportation" of windows)
[17:03] <elob> Using the mini-workspace selector in the bottom right SuperQ
[17:03] <SeySayux> wireless card: broadcom 4328: complaint: not recognized
[17:03] <elob> As you move from the right to the left workspace, the icon in the left hand view moves to the right, then back to the left SuperQ
[17:03] <SeySayux> keyboard: came with my laptop; complaint: well, it seems to work...
[17:04] <crdlb> SeySayux: yes, the intel driver is terrible this cycle
[17:04] <SeySayux> touchpad: came with my laptop. complaint: terribly annoying tap-to-click
[17:04] <crdlb> and broadcom h/w is terrible :/
[17:04] <SeySayux> and, is the intel driver going to be fixed in 5 days?
[17:04] <crdlb> system > prefs > mouse > touchpad
[17:04] <SeySayux> kubuntu...
[17:04] <crdlb> I don't see how it could, but maybe :|
[17:05] <crdlb> I would guess kde has a similar panel
[17:05] <SuperQ> elob: Would you please take screen shots (pressing the print screen button) and create a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[17:05] <SuperQ> elob: Do you see this with Ubuntu 8.10?
[17:05] <elob> Not sure SuperQ, I don't think so
[17:05] <elob> I will try and take screenshots
[17:05] <SuperQ> elob: Thanks
[17:06] <SeySayux> motion sensor: apple motion sensor. complaint: it finally works, i can enjoy playing neverball by tilting my laptop. can we now get to fixing the wireless and graphics?
[17:06] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: you may give ndiswrapper a try. It installs the windows drivers http://www.google.com.br/search?q=ndiswrapper
[17:07] <edgy> crdlb, if it's fglrx why I can boot into generic kernel?
[17:07] <crdlb> intel has done poor driver release management, it's really not ubuntu's fault
[17:07] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: and, i find a driver for my wireless card where? not like the broadcom site is very helpful...
[17:07] <crdlb> edgy: because fglrx has a kernel module?
[17:07] <papampam> Hi. I installed 9.04RC on my Presario CQ40-310AU (AMD Turion X2). Everything works except that there's no sound :( How do I get the sound back?
[17:07] <elob> its quite hard to get a screenshot
[17:07] <henry-nicolas> anybody, no idea why I don't get the PA sound mixer with Jaunty ?
[17:08] <SuperQ> papampam: try this:
[17:08] <SuperQ> papampam: cat /dev/sndstat
[17:08] <SuperQ> papampam: that should tell you if Ubuntu is able to load the sound driver
[17:08] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: maybe you can search on the notebook vendors site. For example, you can download broadcom drivers in Dell site
[17:08] <SuperQ> Card config:
[17:08] <SuperQ> HDA Intel at 0xee240000 irq 17
[17:08] <SuperQ> that's what mine looks like
[17:08] <Pollywog> anyone else having a problem with Firefox in Jaunty where it does not really shut down when closed?
[17:09] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: i don't really think that my vendor offers windows drivers for download... and surely 'kextwrapper' doesn't exist yet?
[17:09] <Pollywog> I had lots of problems with Nvidia after the upgrade but the only annoyance now is this Firefox problem
[17:09] <papampam> SuperQ: Do you want to see what the command says?
[17:10] <Pollywog> I think I will do a clean install once Jaunty is stable
[17:10] <SeySayux> luckily i haven'tt tried the webcam and the microphone yet... *annoying* tap-to-click
[17:10] <SeySayux> s/tt/t
[17:11] <papampam> SuperQ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/154158/
[17:11] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: to disable tap-click, go to System > Mouse, Touchpad tab
[17:11] <SeySayux> sigh.... kubuntu
[17:11] <elob> SuperQ: I can't get a picture of it
[17:12] <elob> I can illustrate what happens if you like, then upload it
[17:12] <elob> But it only happens for a split second
[17:12] <elob> A movie would be better
[17:13] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: what's the name of gnome's mouse-settings dialog, so i can install it?
[17:14] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: take a look in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046677
[17:17] <xpek> which version of vsftpd is included in the jaunty repositories?
[17:17] <zash_> xpek: 2.0.7-0ubuntu1
[17:18] <xpek> thank you zash_
[17:18] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: I will take a look
[17:18] <xpek> I suppose I'll have to wait for karmic before I get implicit SSL then
[17:19] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: gnome-mouse-properties
[17:19] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: okay, i'll try installing that
[17:19] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: it can't really find it...
[17:20] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: I don't think thats supposed to be found. Have you read the link I've sent you?
[17:21] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: maybe your notebook have an option to disable this with the function key Fn+something
[17:21] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: yes i *aarg* did. but i'm searching what the naming policy is for hal fdi-files, as i already have an appletouch.fdi, so can one choose any abritrary name?
[17:21] <papampam> Hi. I installed 9.04RC on my Presario CQ40-310AU (AMD Turion X2). Everything works except that there's no sound :( How do I get the sound back?  Please look: http://paste.ubuntu.com/154158/
[17:21] <Barridus> i'm getting some text appearing briefly for a second during the loading splash.  is this logged somewhere so i can look at it in detail?  (so fast i can't read it, but i think it's power management)
[17:23] <mimcpher> Barridus: check /var/log/dmesg and syslog
[17:23] <mimcpher> Maybe daemon.log too?
[17:24] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: Don't know. Have you tried creating the same file name described on the forum?
[17:24] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: i haven't really tried anything yet
[17:25] <Barridus> mimcpher, i'm assuming these logs are earliest at the top, most recent entries bottom?
[17:26] <mimcpher> right Barridus
[17:26] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: it seems you can
[17:26] <mimcpher> (this is true in general:  the way filesystems work, appending to a file is much quicker, so this is how they're done)
[17:27] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: ;)
[17:27] <mimcpher> Oi, in System -> Administration, there's a "log file viewer".  Was this around in 8.10?  I don't recall seeing it before.  Though I wouldn't have been looking.
[17:28] <BonezAU_> I *think* it's new
[17:28] <SeySayux> i've also found a driver for ndiswrapper, so only thing left is the intel driver... isn't there a way to use intrepid's driver instead?
[17:29] <Barridus> mimcpher, ok thanks for the direction on where this stuff is logged.  now to do a reboot loop until i manage to commit an identifyable word from the error to memory :)
[17:29] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: what was you intel hardware?
[17:29] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: x3100
[17:29] <SeySayux> it should work with the xserver-xorg-intel driver
[17:35] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: It seems that hardware is not well supported..
[17:36] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: thanks, captain obvious
[17:36] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: this thread may give a little help
[17:36] <the_dark_warrio> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=814891
[17:38] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: help, in the sense that it made me feel better since i'm no longer alone.
[17:39] <SeySayux> but it's weird that in intrepid, it was a very decent driver, and in jaunty, even vesa works better...
[17:39] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: Maybe you should report a bug
[17:40] <SeySayux> i did that once, reporting a bug...
[17:40] <rhsanborn> Can you upgrade from 8.1 to 9.04 beta and then when they put out the production release upgrade from 9.04 beta, to 9.04 prod?
[17:40] <the_dark_warrio> If it's late now, they may fix it for the next version. By this time, you can still use Intrepid, which is very good
[17:41] <nibsa1242b> rhsanborn: yes, you can upgrade to 9.04 Release Candidate, and then once the full version comes out the RC should automatically upgrade itself
[17:41] <SeySayux> the_dark_warrio: or i use that other unix-based system... that one which works perfectly on all hardware it will ever be installed on...
[17:42] <SuperQ> Crap
[17:42] <SuperQ> Yup, 9.04 is crashing on this box
[17:42] <the_dark_warrio> SeySayux: Thats right, and no need to troll
[17:43]  * SuperQ blames the nvidia drivers
[17:43] <rhsanborn> nibsa1242b: tyvm. Will try it. Hoping for better ACPI support...
[17:43] <SuperQ> well, I haven't even had a chance to install the restricted drivers
[17:43] <SuperQ> hrm
[17:44] <nibsa1242b> SeySayux: Ubuntu often has regressions esp with sound and graphics, if you need a 100% stable system its often best to wait about 2-4 weeks after release, check the bug reports and forums for your specific hw and then upgrade... or at the very least test with the live cd before installing a new version
[17:44] <SuperQ> unless the restricted drivers are on by default onw
[17:44] <nibsa1242b> rhsanborn: the live cd may be able to tell you that
[17:45] <nibsa1242b> SuperQ: I know there are no restricted drivers available for my ATI Radeon X800 XL right now.
[17:45] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: Yea, this box has nvidia in it
[17:45] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: Hard locks are the worst to debug
[17:46] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: I'm not getting the flashing kernel panic light, so I'm good there
[17:47] <SuperQ> time to boot to single user mode
[17:47] <nibsa1242b> SuperQ: yes, hard lock are no fun
[17:49] <savvas> hi! is it a known problem that when you use "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" (and perhaps apt-get) the packagekit icon tooltip (in the tray/notification area) in gnome still shows that there are "xx updates" to be done?
[17:50] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: Have you seen the new screen feature?
[17:50] <nibsa1242b> how do I fix my middle mouse button behavior? since the upgrade the middle mouse button opens a new tab and acts like a left click... its highly annoying, it should only open a new tab
[17:50] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: screen as in console multiplexor
[17:50] <nibsa1242b> SuperQ: *goes to look*
[17:51] <SuperQ> backup your existing screenrc
[17:52] <SuperQ> this new fancy screen profiles
[17:52] <nibsa1242b> SuperQ: I only have one screen, is it really going to do much for me?
[17:53] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: screen is a classic console tool
[17:53] <nibsa1242b> ahh ok
[17:54] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: It allows you to have multiple windows open on a terminal
[17:54] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: and detatch/resume them
[17:54] <nibsa1242b> ahh ok
[17:54] <nibsa1242b> I'm normally in X, so I just use tabs in the terminal
[17:55] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: It's useful when you're connected to a remote machine via ssh
[17:55] <diana> erm, any1 have any idea where did my network manager go? upgraded 8.10 to 9.04, and now i cant find it, lol
[17:55] <d3xter> hey guys
[17:55] <nibsa1242b> SuperQ: I bet it is.
[17:55] <nibsa1242b> Need help... getting error " bash: fg: no job control " in terminal
[17:56] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: are you running the "fg" command?
[17:56] <SuperQ> nibsa1242b: that's what generates that message
[17:57] <d3xter> i've got a little problem with my netgear wlan-stick. after every 2 min the connection is interrupted for about 5-10 seconds and afterwards wpa_supplicant says "CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS". is it possible, that my connection interrupts when it scans for new networks?
[17:57] <nibsa1242b> no, I get that as soon as I open a terminal, or log into a console
[17:57] <Barridus> anyone have any experience troubleshooting a persistently mounted windows shares?  it works fine, but i'm getting a delay on shutdown and i'm led to believe it is disabling networking before it is unmounting the share
[17:57] <SuperQ> d3xter: I think I saw that on a card a long time ago
[17:57] <SuperQ> d3xter: some card drivers don't interact well with scanning requests
[17:58] <pwnguin> whats this system->preferences->database access properties tool about?
[17:58] <d3xter> SuperQ, the same happends with windows :-S
[17:58] <d3xter> so maybe both drivers are bad or it is hardware related
[17:58] <SuperQ> d3xter: Sounds like hardware to me
[17:58] <SuperQ> d3xter: Unfortunately, I can only suggest trying a different brand/model card
[17:59] <mimcpher> d3xter: Yeah: this sounds hardware, but it may be possible to work around with software.
[17:59] <d3xter> thats what I've supsected
[17:59] <mimcpher> (I have no idea how to actually go about the working around right now)
[18:00] <nibsa1242b> d3xter: just get a mini pci / mini pci-e card know to behave well if you have a laptop; if you've got a desktop get a wireless bridge buy.com has the ZyXel P-330W on sale for 24.24 after MIR right now... I've been using one of those as a bridge for the past year.
[18:03] <edgy> crdlb, you have any idea whether I can enable xen in the generic kernel?
[18:03] <d3xter> ok thanks guys
[18:03] <nibsa1242b> How do I reconfigure my mouse buttons... they are messed up since the upgrade
[18:05] <quibbler> a few apps such as vlc, pokerth, and skype have distorted text when the application is opened. there is only lines a dots in place of letters. has anyone experienced this problem and what can be done about it.
[18:07] <crdlb> edgy: no idea, sorry
[18:08] <edgy> crdlb, np, thanks
[18:09] <dcollins117> quit
[18:13] <deany> i can connect to my wifi if its broadcasting SSID and no protection.. I cant however connect while hidden SSID and WPA-PSK set.  It tries to connect for like 2mins, then it prompts for the password, which ive given it already when i set it up, so i type password again, still no joy.  I looked in the connection properties and the password it keeps saving is 1 long random gibberish password thats NOT the one i keep setting.  This is on a mini pre-installed wit
[18:13] <deany> h 8.04 from dell and works fine, not even the dumb keyring prompts.
[18:13] <droid7> anyone been able to fix the video tearing with intel video cards?
[18:15] <Barridus> can someone help me understand what "sudo update-rc.d -f umountnfs.sh remove" and "sudo update-rc.d umountnfs.sh stop 15 0 6 ." do?  i found it as a solution to an issue, but it doesn't seem to work in jaunty as it did in hardy.
[18:16] <Barridus> (i'm assuming it changes or tries to change the order in which persistently mounted network shares are demounted so it occurs before networking is terminated and causes a hang"
[18:18] <mxboy15u> can someone help me with what should be a simple question?
[18:18] <mxboy15u> when i insert a thumb drive it mounts it read only
[18:18] <mxboy15u> i cannot delete anything...how can this be fixed?
[18:19] <dtchen> remount it rw
[18:19] <dtchen> if that's really the issue.
[18:19] <mxboy15u> is there a graphical way of doing this?
[18:20] <mxboy15u> it says it is a read only file system
[18:20] <Amaranth> mxboy15u: There is no graphical way of doing that
[18:21] <Amaranth> mxboy15u: Is this thumbdrive actually an OS X setup iPod?
[18:21] <mxboy15u> nope
[18:21] <mxboy15u> just a standard thumb drive
[18:21] <mxboy15u> so how do i mount it appropriately?
[18:21] <ola_> hello
[18:21] <PhotoJim> upgraded my secondary laptop to Jaunty last night.  only problem was a crash on package ca-certificates.  I did an aptitude reinstall ca-certificates... seems ok.  all else good.
[18:22] <ola_> i have a problem while playing clips on youtube on fullscreen
[18:22] <ola_> slow framrate
[18:25] <jschall> try turning off desktop effects. they kill a lot of things' performance, which is why they shouldn't have been added a year or so ago, they should still be off by default.
[18:26] <Amaranth> jschall: err, works fine here
[18:26] <ola_> jschall: tried that no diffrence =/  have a dell laptop with the Intel 775 grapics card
[18:28] <jschall> Amaranth: they do make a difference to a lot of things, even with my overclocked q6600, 4gb ddr1066, 8800gts. that said, i do still use CF, especially since i quit world of warcraft.
[18:28] <Amaranth> it's just compiz, actually
[18:29] <Amaranth> but yeah, there are some fun problems with nvidia
[18:29] <Amaranth> funny how turning on compiz by default didn't get nvidia off their butts to fix the problems but KDE4 did
[18:29] <jschall> Amaranth: and DRI2, you can't play games with it without nvidia.
[18:30] <Amaranth> sure you can, I have been with intel before DRI2
[18:30] <Amaranth> fullscreen games, anyway
[18:30] <jschall> Amaranth: i wasn't even able to get glxgears to work properly.
[18:30] <droid7> is it possible to use hardy's intel graphics driver on jaunty?
[18:31] <Amaranth> if the window for the game is actually a fullscreen window (and not just a window that is the size of the screen like wine) compiz basically turns off
[18:31] <jschall> that hasn't been my experience, especially with wine games
[18:31] <Amaranth> it unredirects the window and puts it up on front of everything else
[18:31] <Amaranth> jschall: I just told you wine was the exception as they don't make real fullscreen windows
[18:32] <jschall> sweet, then i can play tux racer with compiz no problem!
[18:33] <jschall> what about real games, though?
[18:33] <Amaranth> jschall: We take the same stance KDE does: if it isn't our bug we aren't going to go over the top working around it, fix the real problem
[18:33] <jschall> the bastards need to release them natively
[18:33] <Amaranth> In this case the bug is WINE doesn't make fullscreen windows
[18:33] <Amaranth> We actually have a workaround for this but it doesn't work well
[18:34] <Amaranth> Hell, it's probably disabled
[18:34] <Amaranth> Also, you have to have unredirect fullscreen windows enabled in compiz. It's the default but you may have disabled it
[18:34] <jschall> microsoft should just make a perfect-quality version of wine
[18:34] <jschall> i'd pay the same as a windows license for that
[18:35] <ola_> anyone have a fix for fullscreen flash on Intel chipsets?
[18:35] <Amaranth> We really do go to great lengths to fix actual bugs in compiz and even workaround some of the worst problems in other programs/drivers but there is only so much that can be done
[18:35] <ola_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/314928
[18:35] <jschall> ola_: i had that problem a while back, trying to think what caused it
[18:36] <jschall> ola_: are these youtube videos?
[18:36] <Amaranth> oh man, I hope you don't have the 945 chipset with the crazy memory setup
[18:36] <ola_> i added echo "base=0xF0000000 size=0x08000000 type=write-combining" >| /proc/mtrr and it works but after reboot its the same
[18:36] <ola_> jschall: all flash fullscreen is "dragging" and low framrate..in window its normal
[18:37] <Amaranth> With the GEM enabled intel driver 2D performance is pretty terrible with certain 945 chips as they can't do tiled surfaces
[18:37] <Amaranth> A newer kernel (2.6.30-rc2, I think) fixes that problem but makes a common OpenGL call incredibly slow, that has to be fixed in mesa
[18:38] <jschall> Amaranth: wine is a big trainwreck, imo
[18:38] <Amaranth> jschall: Yeah, they're only now starting to focus on making their stuff work well with the system
[18:39] <Amaranth> jschall: Before it was all "this is a surface we draw on and screw the rest" but now they're trying to do proper entries in the menu and such
[18:39] <ola_> guess i shall wait for a bugg fix on updates..?
[18:39] <Amaranth> Hopefully they'll get to "following window manager specs" soonish
[18:39] <jschall> Amaranth: maybe they'll make winecfg not crappy
[18:39] <Amaranth> ola_: A fix for that is unlikely to come before 9.10
[18:39] <Amaranth> jschall: They're replacing it with a control panel
[18:39] <crdlb> legacy fullscreen support was disabled by default in 0.8.2
[18:39] <jschall> ola_: cheap ati video card.
[18:39] <Amaranth> ola_: If that is actually your problem, anyway
[18:39] <crdlb> it worked horribly
[18:40] <jschall> ola_: do it!
[18:40] <Amaranth> crdlb: It needed to only apply to wine so it wouldn't break other applications
[18:40] <Amaranth> It sucked having totem open fullscreen but not fullscreen
[18:40] <Amaranth> Showing the UI for both modes and not exiting fullscreen
[18:40] <ola_> i have a Intel 775 chipset on my hp laptop and seems like all with intel 775/995 have the same flash problem..
[18:41] <jschall> ola_: oh, laptop :(
[18:41] <ola_> yeah :P
[18:41] <jschall> is there a 775 chipset? isn't that the name of the socket?
[18:42] <Tekno> array
[18:42] <Amaranth> ola_: lspci | grep VGA
[18:42] <ola_> 775 is the name of a AMd socket to i belive
[18:42] <DanaG> lga775 is Intel.
[18:42] <DanaG> AMD had 754 and 939 and now AM2.
[18:43] <ola_> echo "base=0xF0000000 size=0x08000000 type=write-combining" >| /proc/mtrr
[18:43] <ola_> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[18:44] <ola_> uhm looks like i have the 965 chipset
[18:44] <shaga> DanaG: there have been countless amd sockets :p
[18:44] <shaga> like socket a for example
[18:44] <ola_> thunderbird :D
[18:45] <dust> http://pastebin.com/m5ef092bf
[18:45] <dust> please help me getting 6.1 speakers avail in ubu
[18:46] <aViN187> Hi, someone know a tut or site for solving problem with nvidia quadro nvs 160m on 9.04 ?
[18:47] <jschall> hmm, i should start cleaning up my home directory to get ready for jaunty
[18:48] <jschall> i always clear out my config files and keep my data
[18:50] <td123> I always fresh install :P
[18:51] <dust> anyone?
[18:51] <td123> my "home directory" is just a folder on a usb stick :P
[18:51] <petsounds> hello, can anyone write a command to uninstall google picasa?
[18:58] <Barridus> anyone have any idea which symlink in /etc/rc6.d is the one that terminates networking?  i'm assuming S35networking, but i don't exactly have the mastery of linux to say for sure.  i may have discovered a bug that appeared in the last round of updates
[19:01] <Barridus> anyone know much about shutdown script symlink ordering?
[19:02] <tc111> why would this line make the script run continuously: * 2,9,17,23    * * *	root		/etc/init.d/aptmirlpia > /dev/null 2>&1
[19:04] <Upayavira> tc111: because the script is broken and carries on running? That cron line says run every few hours. So it can only keep running because the script itself fails to stop
[19:05] <genii> Or the script taks longer than the interval between runnin it
[19:05] <Upayavira> Evolution is downloading my mails, but not displaying them (they're in .evolution/mail/local/Inbox, but not displayed in the UI). Is this a known bug? (kinda undermined Evolution's usefulness!)
[19:05] <tc111> Upayavira: the script checks if it is already running and exits if if finds the PID... but, once the scripts exits, it immediately starts again.
[19:07] <Upayavira> tc111: so, you're seeing it start up again, even without it being re-invoked by cron? Even if you comment it out (with a #) in your crontab?
[19:08] <Barridus> nobody knows what symlink in /etc/rc6.d terminates networking on shutdown?
[19:08] <Barridus> there's one called networking but it's greek to me
[19:09] <tc111> Upayavira: yes, once the PID file is deleted as the initial script exits, the script will immediately launch itself again. i can mark it as non-executable and it won't start again, but once marked executable, it will immediately start
[19:10] <Barridus> so close to this, just need some context so i can research further
[19:11] <siavash_> can someone help me with grub issues?
[19:11] <siavash_> I had 2 windows installations. I had one on sda1 and then I installed one on sdb1. But now sda1 is gone and I can't boot into sdb1
[19:12] <BUGabundo> siavash_: does it work if you choose from BIOS what disk to boot?
[19:13] <_lemsx1_> anybody knows how to make Amarok play sounds? i already install libxine1-ffmpeg
[19:13] <_lemsx1_> i guess it never talks to pulseaudio for some reason
[19:16] <hmw_pidgin> did i get it right, that jaunty (gnome 1.6) does not work with fglrx?
[19:17] <hmw_pidgin> i cant get my machine back to working... purged fglrx... this is so annoying
[19:17] <_lemsx1_> hmw_pidgin: gnome 2.6 you mean
[19:17] <hmw_pidgin> oh, sure
[19:17] <BUGabundo> hmw_pidgin: what gnome to do with fglrx ?
[19:17] <_lemsx1_> hmw_pidgin: and i guess you mean "compiz"
[19:18] <BUGabundo> actually to be precise gnome 2.6.1
[19:18] <macvr> BUGabundo: hi... remember a few days ago i had problems with, web browsing/commenting on launchpad,ubuntu forums... i resolved the problem, it was since my router firewall had reset... but could u help me understand the problem?
[19:18] <hmw_pidgin> i read some forum entries, and i wonder, where all the fglrx howtos are gone... they changed a lot in the most favorite ubuntu sites, and now i cant find any good tutorials anymore
[19:19] <hmw_pidgin> no copiz, i just want it to show graphics. it even doesnt like vesa. when trying to modprobe fglrx, it said something about "out of memory" ... huh!?
[19:19] <BUGabundo> hmw_pidgin: wouldn't help! lots have changed! old stuff is no good anymore
[19:19] <BUGabundo> macvr: maybe DNS cache probs
[19:19] <hmw_pidgin> i have a radeon9600 and a voodoo banshee and want this setup to do triple-head. did work after 40hrs of configuration desaster with 8.04
[19:20] <Chr|s> ahhh this week 9.04 offically comes out :)
[19:20]  * genii pokes at -release party
[19:21] <Upayavira> hmw_pidgin: don't know if it is relevant, but I just reinstalled from scratch to Jaunty, and am no longer using fglrx. and compiz works very well.
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[19:21] <noodlesgc> why does #ubuntu-release-party forward here?
[19:22] <hmw_pidgin> i dont need/want compiz, and compiz wouldnt allow more than 1024 for the two screens, and i have a voodoo banshee, which also prevents compiz from running. i just wanted to see ANY hires gfx. I give up. Maybe I win the lottery and can afford to buy a new computer...
[19:22] <hmw_pidgin> crappy ATI stuff argh
[19:22] <BUGabundo> noodlesgc: because we love you too much to let you go
[19:23] <genii> Well, high end ATI stuff, with crappy drivers
[19:23] <macvr> BUGabundo: the actual initial setting was that the modem was set to "bride" and the router was set as DHCP > BUT  it had reset so that the MODEM was a PPPOE client, and the router firewall settings were not being activated, the router firewal permissions were not working... this is only in UBUNTU, but it worked in WINDOWS, is this a bug?
[19:23] <macvr> ^BRIDGE
[19:23] <hmw_pidgin> do you know a graphics adapter with three VGA connectors, that works with ubuntu?
[19:23] <BUGabundo> macvr: double NAT?? you were lucky it worked
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> hmw_pidgin: you can get an entry level geforce card for pence which will be much better
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> !hcl | hmw_pidgin
[19:24] <macvr> BUGabundo: i guess that was the problem, but the tech from the ISP had set it up like that!!! how come it worked in windows
[19:24] <hmw_pidgin> hahah... my card is listed as compatible
[19:25] <hmw_pidgin> alright... thanks for your time
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> hmw_pidgin: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18106.html
[19:26] <hifi> hmw_pidgin: I use a Radeon 9200 PCI card for dual-head
[19:26] <dust> how do i change pulseaudio to 6ch from 2ch?
[19:26] <macvr> BUGabundo: i did aslo have the DNS problem reported when using xchat. it said that the forward, return DNS didnt match with the wrong settings..
[19:26] <hifi> hmw_pidgin: my point being you can buy a cheap PCI card to get any number of screens up :)
[19:27] <macvr> BUGabundo: ^also HAD
[19:27] <hmw_pidgin> ActionParsnip: after trying virtually every possible combination, i came to the conclusion, that you cannot use compiz with a radeon+voodoo combo. Each card allone was quite easy to install.
[19:27]  * BUGabundo seems macvr needs to sleep a bit
[19:28] <Barridus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/154236/ the contents of my rc6.d symlinks.  K15umountnfs.sh has nothing above it numberwise that would terminate networking before the network share is unmounted, yet that is happening causing a hang
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> hmw_pidgin: i couldnt comment on compiz, i think its worthless
[19:28] <Barridus> err, the ls of /rc6.d not contents
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> hmw_pidgin: maybe you need extra config for the cards, usually older hardware is super supported
[19:29] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: don't say that! compiz alone helped me "sell" ubuntu many many times
[19:29] <macvr> BUGabundo: i know... that weird problem, had me searching for everything... but the stupid ISP techs, had rest the router!
[19:29] <hmw_pidgin> ActionParsnip: the only combination, that worked, was fglrx with xinearam + the driver for voodoo. touching the config almost always destroyed the setup totally. I will try getting new hardware.
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> hmw_pidgin: i'd recommend an nvidia solution personally
[19:30] <hifi> eww, blobs
[19:31] <BUGabundo> hifi: not that intel is specially good this cycle
[19:31] <hmw_pidgin> i've heard great things about nvidia and want to try. just need some money. Anyone wants to donate?
[19:31] <hifi> I'd go with radeon
[19:31] <hifi> radeonhd and radeon open source drivers are doing great
[19:32] <odinsbane> did anybody lose the system>preferences>appearance>visual effects  ability after rescent compiz/mesa driver updates?
[19:32] <odinsbane> s/anybody/ anybody else.
[19:33] <ienorand> odinsbane: as in no compiz?
[19:33] <odinsbane> ienorand: sure
[19:35] <BUGabundo> I'm using compiz
[19:35] <BUGabundo> started it from fusion icon
[19:35] <Upayavira> hmw_pidgin: have you upgraded? have you tried live CD?
[19:35] <ienorand> odinsbane: I'm running latest... on nvidia propr. Works fine on this side...
[19:36] <hmw_pidgin> Upayavira: i installed fglrx and destroyed my system.
[19:36] <odinsbane> I've got some crap intel card that was causing my system to crash before these updates came and disabled it altogether.
[19:36] <Upayavira> hmw_pidgin: have you tried just booting fresh from the live CD? Try that?
[19:36] <hmw_pidgin> it tries to show the "it didnt work" thing with vesa, but nothing happens, only sysrq-b works
[19:36] <hmw_pidgin> Upayavira: i am 100% confident, that the live cd works
[19:36] <hmw_pidgin> it did yesterday ;-)
[19:37] <hmw_pidgin> even with nice compiz effects, but only single screen
[19:37] <Upayavira> hmw_pidgin: that is probably because live CD isn't using fglrx
[19:37] <Upayavira> ahh
[19:37] <ienorand> odinsbane: Oh, Intel...
[19:37] <hmw_pidgin> sure, i installed it manually, because i remebered, that it wwas the only driver allowing my triple head setup
[19:37] <DanaG> ATI open-source is getting better and better as time goes on.
[19:37] <DanaG> Plus, nvidia binary breaks 3D on all other cards.
[19:38] <DanaG> And nvidia open-source is crappy.
[19:38] <Upayavira> hmw_pidgin: my second screen is at office - haven't tried it yet.
[19:38] <hmw_pidgin> i'd love to have 3 independent cubes but windows moveable over all of them
[19:39] <hmw_pidgin> is there a trick to get an already running app handed over to another x-server instance?
[19:39] <DanaG> Radeon 9600 should be okay with radeon open-source.
[19:39] <ienorand> DanaG: True... but for this and probably the next couple of releases... I'd probably don't want to stop hugging my nv-card...
[19:39] <DanaG> nvidia is a pain for me.
[19:39] <DanaG> Doesn't suspend and resume reliably on 180 drivers.
[19:39] <DanaG> Suspend and resume works only twice... third resume invariably fails.
[19:39] <hmw_pidgin> DanaG: youre right. It just wont work, if you additionally use a voodoo banshee
[19:39] <DanaG> ATI open-source resumes just about perfectly reliablyy.
[19:40] <m0RrE> is it confirmed that there's problem with dmraid and 2.6.28* kernels?
[19:40] <ienorand> DanaG: I'm actually ok, haven't tried s2disk though, since I'm on a usb stick w/ no swap
[19:40] <Upayavira> DanaG: yeah, and it hibernates too, which my laptop has never done. and, it doesn't crash when I plug in my power cable!!
[19:40] <DanaG> I use s2ram; no point in s2disk.
[19:40] <DanaG> for me, at least.
[19:40] <Upayavira> (ATI that is)
[19:40] <BUGabundo> ienorand: s2disk works for me
[19:41] <DanaG> oh, and nvidia binary causes audio dropouts on lid close, on my laptop that has nvidia.  New one with ATI doesn't have that issue.
[19:41] <BUGabundo> I use them both! depends when how long I'llbe away
[19:43] <ienorand> Also since i normally use my laptop as semi-desktop, and keep the battery unplugged, it would be nice to be able to s2disk for moving it around briefly... But I'm waiting with the final disk install until release-ish.
[19:44] <nroot7> while installing ubuntu jaunty
[19:45] <nroot7> I am getting the error "failed to determine the codename for the release"
[19:45] <nroot7> debootstrap error
[20:00] <_lemsx1_> does amarok2 uses pulseaudio?
[20:00] <ActionParsnip> nroot7: did you md5 check your iso that you downloaded as well as verify the disk once burned?
[20:01] <_lemsx1_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/330797
[20:01] <_lemsx1_> nevermind
[20:01] <DanaG> wtf... I moved my audio stream to a different device, and the volume sliders moved on their own!
[20:07] <manpoole> how will jaunty support open source ati drivers?
[20:07] <manpoole> is there a continued effort to evolve the drivers?
[20:08] <manpoole> and would you consider ext4 reliable?
[20:08] <lasivian__> hiya
[20:09] <lasivian__> I have an Aspire One notebook running 8.10, what are the odds i'll get screwed by upgrading?
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> manpoole: not heard anything myself, ext3 is tried and tested so i'll be hanging with that personally, read some sites
[20:09] <jeiworth> manpoole: hmm i haven't heard anything otherwise, why shouldn't it? and as for ext4, i'd say it's sufficiently reliable for everyday use, i wouldn't use it on a server though
[20:09] <manpoole> im a linux noob but if you do manage to screw anything up you could always boot pupppy linux from a usb and repartition everything
[20:10] <lasivian__> is ext4 journalling?
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> lasivian__: can't see any issues
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> manpoole: the desktop cd is a live cd also
[20:10] <jeiworth> manpoole: yes, or any other live linux distro for that matter ;)
[20:11] <jeiworth> lasivian__: afair yes
[20:11] <BUGabundo> lasivian__: if that fails, just install UNR fresh
[20:11] <manpoole> my hd failed the other day i booted to puppy and reparitioned skipping the effected section and here am alive and well lol
[20:11] <BUGabundo> lasivian__: yes it is
[20:12] <manpoole> my hd probably isnt too dependable anyway i want to give ext4 a shot
[20:12] <semiotic> Has anyone tried the RC on a Dell mini 9?  Any reports?
[20:13] <manpoole> jeiworth have you tried ext4?
[20:13] <manpoole> im pretty confident you the rc should be pretty close to the release on the 23
[20:14] <manpoole> but on the 23 i would upgrade to the final to be safe
[20:14] <jeiworth> manpoole: only in a vm, ii'm a bit hesitant to convert my ext3 just yet ;)
[20:14] <manpoole> well i dont really have any valuable data so im willing to do anything to see a perfomance increase
[20:15] <manpoole> if ext4 is being offered as an option on the install cd I think it has built quite a reputation
[20:15] <semiotic> what's the biggest performance advantage of ext4 over ext3?
[20:16] <_lemsx1_> semiotic: google is your friend
[20:16] <manpoole> faster boots and something about it stores data in a way that speeds up everything i took there word for it
[20:17] <BUGabundo> manpoole: its available on the install...
[20:17] <_lemsx1_> if you google "ext4 vs xfs" you will get a better answer
[20:17] <shadeslayer> hi,i need a quick solution to this,hopefully ill get one, when i do sudo apt-get update,i get sudo: unable to resolve host shadeslayer,how do i correct this although the command runs fine
[20:18] <semiotic> Gotcha ... reading now
[20:18] <_lemsx1_> shadeslayer: edit /etc/hosts
[20:18] <manpoole> have you tried it BUGabundo?
[20:18] <shadeslayer> and?
[20:18] <ikonia> shadeslayer: put your hostname in the /etc/host file
[20:18] <jeiworth> manpoole: well, as i understand it it simply keeps the data in the cache longer (iirc 30 or 60sec) before it syncs it with the hdd, ext3 does (also iirc) every 3sec or so (5?)
[20:18] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:18] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you need a resolvable hostname to use sudo
[20:18] <_lemsx1_> shadeslayer: typically you will need: 127.0.1.1 shadeslayer
[20:18] <shadeslayer> gotcha
[20:19] <BUGabundo> manpoole: I have tried the instaler several times. never used ext4
[20:20] <shadeslayer> yayy thanks alot,and i found the tool i was looking for montioring my adhoc networ ;),its etherape
[20:20] <Upayavira> manpoole: just upgraded to Jaunty (actually, fresh re-install) and am using open source ATI drivers, and for first time am very happy
[20:20] <manpoole> It seems everyone is scared of ext4 I think I'm going to bite the bullet
[20:20] <shadeslayer> *network
[20:20] <manpoole> what kind of card?
[20:20] <shadeslayer> manpoole: ext4 here,loving it
[20:20] <shadeslayer> manpoole: me?
[20:20] <manpoole> oh what kind of hd?
[20:20] <Jim__> i have a problem with video after an ibex -> jaunty upgrade. any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu.com/154260/
[20:21] <shadeslayer> manpoole: its a 320 GB Western digital drive
[20:21] <jeiworth> shadeslayer: do you also have os partition as ext4? i read something about grub not yet oficially supporting booting from ext4?
[20:21] <kklimonda> jeiworth: it works fine
[20:21] <shadeslayer> jeiworth: yeah
[20:21] <kklimonda> jeiworth: but you must remember to run grub-install if you upgrade ext3 to ext4
[20:21] <shadeslayer> ill pastew my fdisk for you all
[20:21] <jeiworth> ok thanks, will look into it ;)
[20:21] <shadeslayer> kklimonda: i didnt need to :P
[20:22] <manpoole> shadeslayer i was wondering if it was a solidstate i think those are supposed to have the most benefit of speed
[20:22] <manpoole> can you notiuce a performance increase?
[20:22] <Upayavira> jeiworth: you need to upgrade your grub
[20:22] <shadeslayer> manpoole: nope,its a regular HD,boot time down from 38 sec to 27
[20:22] <Upayavira> old one doesn't support it
[20:23] <manpoole> Upayavira what kind of ati do you have?
[20:23]  * shadeslayer wonders how he didnt have to update grub,he installed a complete fresh copy
[20:23] <manpoole> I've got a 1650 pro
[20:23] <Upayavira> I'm using a Thinkpad T60
[20:23] <shadeslayer> manpoole: http://pastebin.com/m706ee2bf
[20:23] <jeiworth> ok thanks, might get some improvements yet on this lameo laptop-drive
[20:24] <_lemsx1_> anybody uses amarok at all ?
[20:24] <jeiworth> cya, bbl
[20:24] <_lemsx1_> i cannot get this thing to have sound while pulseaudio has control of the audio card
[20:24] <shadeslayer> Upayavira: is updating grub necessary if you install a absolute fresh copy,a new partition table etc?
[20:25] <semiotic> shadeslayer: I was wonderin the same thing
[20:25] <Upayavira> shadeslayer: I'm no expert - however, if you use the Jaunty grub, you'll be fine
[20:25] <Upayavira> that's my understanding
[20:26] <manpoole> thats what i understood upayavira
[20:26] <shadeslayer> cause i didnt need to update grub,it ran fine from the start
[20:26] <Upayavira> ie. if you installed ext4 onto Intrepid, grub wouldn't cope
[20:26] <manpoole> although you could update it right?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> ah i see,but if you make a new partition table a new grub is written\
[20:27] <shadeslayer> ok im off,bye all
[20:27] <Upayavira> shadeslayer: if you upgrade to Jaunty, then you get the new grub
[20:27] <shadeslayer> yeah,oh and btw empathy's giving problems with yahoo accounts,anyone encounter that?
[20:28] <manpoole> ati plus Jaunty gives me compiz and video at the same time fglrx couldnt provide that, that alone makes me really love Jaunty
[20:28] <dhalsim> which is the best. fresh install or upgrade?
[20:28] <GrimmVarg> hei guys, just wondering if anybody has tried grub2+ubuntu on a macbook ?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> fresh install IMHO
[20:29] <manpoole> yeah I like it fresh too
[20:29]  * shadeslayer partition table was deleted by the alpha CD :(
[20:29] <Jim__> my video issue http://pastebin.com/m257fa71f
[20:29] <shadeslayer> used a beta pen drive to correct it
[20:30] <shadeslayer> ok bye
[20:31] <DanaG> GrimmVarg: you mean grub2 efi?  I've tried it on a non-Apple UEFI laptop.
[20:31] <DanaG> There's a forum thread with fixes for grub.efi.
[20:32] <luckyone> hello, any netbook/Intel 945GME users in here?
[20:33] <GrimmVarg> DanaG: ah, sweet, see I'm trying to run Ubuntu on my macbook and I want to be able to use the "other" graphic card to save power
[20:33] <BUGabundo> luckyone: hi. I'm not, but what do you need?
[20:33] <luckyone> I think I am having some trouble with my graphic card when trying to play 3d games
[20:33] <BUGabundo> luckyone: yes performance lost, is a known issue! its on the release notes
[20:34] <DanaG> hmm, I don't think they've figured out the gpu switching, though.
[20:34] <DanaG> I think that's pathetic... switch between a weak 9400 and an even weaker 9200... why bother?
[20:34] <DanaG> If it were 9600, it'd make sense, but not with the 9200.
[20:35] <luckyone> BUGabundo: are there known issues/workarounds for it? do you have a link to the release notes?
[20:35] <GrimmVarg> DanaG: its NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT vs NVIDIA GeForce 9400M
[20:35] <shiznebit> BUGabundo: are there any known issues with x freezing, requiring a full reboot ?
[20:35] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[20:35] <BUGabundo> shiznebit: yes there are
[20:36] <ienorand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance
[20:36] <ienorand> and many have found this useful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4
[20:36] <shiznebit> ati opensource not intel
[20:36] <ienorand> shiznebit: I was re-ing luckyone
[20:37] <shiznebit> oh
[20:37] <BUGabundo> shiznebit: fr ati, not that I know of
[20:38] <Shappie_> Hi, is there a way to put RandR 1.2 off in kubuntu 9.04?
[20:39] <Shappie_> When i try to make dualscreen setup using aticonfig in terminal it gives an error because of RandR 1.2 running...
[20:40] <_lemsx1_> fixed my amarok2 issue. just needed to install systemsettings and move pulseaudio to the top of the list
[20:40] <_lemsx1_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1097391.html
[20:41] <Upayavira> dhalsim: I've always upgraded
[20:41] <Upayavira> except this time, when I did a fresh insatll
[20:41] <Upayavira> install
[20:42] <_lemsx1_> i used to do 'upgrades' and then i started noticing things missing when i used somebody else's fresh installs
[20:42] <_lemsx1_> so, now i just backup my data ($HOME) and do fresh installs ;-)
[20:42] <Upayavira> Upgrades usually go well, but there's always a chance that you'll persist any issues you had if you don't do a fresh install. You need to balance time taken to reconfigure from scratch, vs benefits of a more known state
[20:43] <Upayavira> _lemsx1_: isn't $HOME on a separate partition?
[20:43] <Upayavira> then you wouldn't need to back it up
[20:43] <Upayavira> just re-install /
[20:43] <_lemsx1_> Upayavira: yes it is. but i still back up my data
[20:43] <Upayavira> _lemsx1_: fair enough.
[20:43] <_lemsx1_> Upayavira: you can do that with your data ;-) i don't trust things that much
[20:43] <Upayavira> :-)
[20:44] <Upayavira> I had a backup before upgrading. Only issue is that it is on a different continent
[20:44] <_lemsx1_> now that i have amarok2 iron out... i'm moving to setup my sbackup stuff
[20:44] <Upayavira> (in a storage unit, and only I have the key)
[20:48] <_lemsx1_> see... simple backup (sbackup) is painless!
[20:51] <mrwes> rsync is pretty easy too
[20:52] <_lemsx1_> mrwes: yes, but it requires you to think... :-D
[20:52] <_lemsx1_> mrwes: sbackup just works
[20:52]  * BUGabundo loves clonezilla
[20:53] <mrwes> thinking is good -- we need move of it :P
[20:53] <mrwes> more*
[20:53] <mrwes> heh
[20:53] <_lemsx1_> hehe
[20:54] <mrwes> I gotta admit, sbackup is easy -- if you're on a GUI that is
[20:55] <amikrop> Hi. I just upgraded to RC and I had to boot in low graphics mode.
[20:55] <amikrop> Any help would be really appreciated :)
[20:55] <amikrop> I use NVIDIA.
[20:56] <syntac> hi, has anyone had any problems or know of bugs that deal with laptop brightness in 9.04? when i turn up brightness, it maxes out at about 1/3 of the brightness it is capable of
[20:56] <syntac> if i keep pressing brightness up, it just toggles between the 'highest' brightness and one setting below it
[20:57] <amikrop> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV31M [GeForce FX Go5650] (rev a1)
[20:57] <BUGabundo> amikrop: enter recovery console, run XFIX and then reinstall the driver, with Hardware Drivers, in System
[20:58] <amikrop> BUGabundo: how do I enter the recovery console?
[20:58] <amikrop> BUGabundo: recovery mode in GRUB?
[20:58] <BUGabundo> reboot, grub (press Esc), choose recovery
[20:58] <amikrop> BUGabundo: there is no such command as XFIX
[20:59] <dhalsim> new kernel is 2.6.27-11-generic right? I'm only changing title to 9.04
[20:59] <samdaman> my wifi didnt work when i resumed after hibernation so i used a script someone made and modified it for my use and now when i resume from hibernation i can see wireless networks but when i try to join it just says you have been disconnected
[21:00] <samdaman> could someone take allok at my script
[21:00] <BUGabundo> amikrop: yes there is! its one of the last option
[21:00] <amikrop> BUGabundo: Look. Let's say I enter recovery mode. Then, I ge a bash console, right?
[21:01] <amikrop> Should I run XFIX, then?
[21:01] <amikrop> $ XFIX
[21:01] <amikrop> bash: XFIX: command not found
[21:01] <amikrop> that's what I get now
[21:01] <amikrop> Can't I just enable the drivers right now (without entering recovery mode)?
[21:01] <mrwes> lower case maybe?
[21:01] <mrwes> :)
[21:02] <BUGabundo> amikrop: NO. you get a GUI in cursers
[21:02] <amikrop> BUGabundo: oh, ok. thank you ;)
[21:02] <amikrop> cu, rebooting
[21:02] <BUGabundo> how long haven't you use recovery console?
[21:03] <BUGabundo> its not a command! it's a option in the menu
[21:03] <BUGabundo> amikrop: sure. just dpkg reconfigure xserver
[21:03] <BUGabundo> its the same
[21:03] <mrwes> oh yeah...
[21:06] <amikrop> BUGabundo: OK, xfix worked and my resolution is now good. But I can't enable the proprietary driver.
[21:06] <amikrop> I click Activate, I am asked for a password, but then nothing happens.
[21:07] <amikrop> BUGabundo: I choose "NVIDIA accelerated graphics drivers (version 173) [Recommended]
[21:07] <amikrop> That is, the driver I had to switch to, in 8.10.
[21:08] <BUGabundo> don't you have 180??
[21:08] <BUGabundo> plus check ps aux | grep apt to see if nothing else is blocking the apt DB
[21:08] <amikrop> BUGabundo: no, nothing
[21:09] <amikrop> BUGabundo: should I install 180? how?
[21:09] <BUGabundo> is it available?
[21:09] <hwire> How do i enable webdav service in jaunty ?,  wich packages do i need ?
[21:09] <BUGabundo> I'm not sure which runs each GPU card
[21:09] <kaddi> is there a good reason to wait for the 23. to update to jaunty or could I also do it right now if i had the time. I know that jaunty is still beta and not supported and everything, but i would think, that it should be pretty stable by now?
[21:10] <amikrop> BUGabundo: How can I see that?
[21:10] <kaddi> i'm using 8.10 with kde 4.2, will my kde-settings be saved, or will they be removed?
[21:11] <BUGabundo> kaddi: jaunty is now RC not beta
[21:11] <kaddi> ah sry
[21:11] <BUGabundo> make a backup, test a livecd/usb
[21:11] <BUGabundo> read the release notes, and upgrade if it is all ok
[21:11] <kaddi> (should be RC if its going to be released in 4 days :D )
[21:12] <BUGabundo> amikrop: if it is supported it is on Hardware Drivers
[21:14] <amikrop_> BUGabundo: Excuse me, could you tell me again please, if you said anything because I got disconnected :S
[21:14] <dhalsim> system testing doesn't start
[21:14] <BUGabundo> amikrop: if it is supported it is on Hardware Drivers
[21:14] <BUGabundo> dhalsim: humm another users reported that the other day
[21:15] <BUGabundo> somehow it ended with ROOT permission
[21:15] <shaga> system testing works here
[21:15] <BUGabundo> removing the dir fixed it
[21:15] <shaga> netbook remix jaunty rc
[21:16] <badfish69> system testing worked here for jaunty rc too
[21:16] <badfish69> netbook remix anyway
[21:16] <hwire> How do I enable webdav service in jaunty ?
[21:16] <dhalsim> nvidia driver looks disabled in Hardware Drivers, and "glxinfo" gives a segmentation fault
[21:18] <amikrop_> BUGabundo: OK. I choode 173 from Hardware Drivers (the recommended choice).
[21:18] <dhalsim> ctrl+alt+del has been removed, how can I restart X?
[21:18] <amikrop_> BUGabundo: But I click on Activeate and it asks for a password.
[21:18] <amikrop_> I give it
[21:18] <amikrop_> The, it says Downloading and Installing Driver
[21:18] <shaga> dhalsim: does killall X work?
[21:18] <amikrop_> it reacjes 100%
[21:18] <BUGabundo> dhalsim: you meam backspace
[21:18] <amikrop_> * reaches
[21:18] <BUGabundo>  !dontzap | dhalsim
[21:18] <dhalsim> yes
[21:19] <amikrop_> BUGabundo: And it ends.
[21:19] <amikrop_> BUGabundo: But it still says "This driver is not activated".
[21:19] <amikrop_> BUGabundo: Any idea, please? :-)
[21:19] <BUGabundo> sure... nag mvo or pitti when they are online
[21:20] <amikrop_> No, I don't intend to nag.
[21:20] <amikrop_> I would just like a fix for that problem ;)
[21:21] <mrwes> dontzap works perfectly
[21:22] <BUGabundo> amikrop_: not nag in a bad way! nag as in let them know u have a prob
[21:23] <BUGabundo> you can also file a bug, but it will take longer now that every dev is busy with release
[21:24] <mrwes> I'll still file a bug -- at least get it on the board
[21:26] <BUGabundo> of course
[21:31] <yml> I am affected by this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/360862?comments=all
[21:32] <yml> does my understanding is correct if I say that this will be fixed at best with the next . release of the kernel ?
[21:32] <BUGabundo> yml: ping dtchen, to find out more
[21:34] <yml> dtchen: ping :-) is there a place where I can see if this is the case and when it will happen ?
[21:34] <yml> BUGabundo: thank you for the pointer
[21:35] <Phoenix666> is there somebody who has tried jaunty with nvidia cards?
[21:35] <kklimonda> Phoenix666: sure
[21:36] <Phoenix666> kklimonda are there issues with kernel 2.6.29 and nvidia?
[21:36] <kklimonda> Phoenix666: haven't noticed
[21:36] <Phoenix666> Which kind of driver do you use? nvidia 180.x or 185.xx?
[21:37] <kklimonda> 180
[21:37] <kklimonda> there is no 185 in repository
[21:37] <Phoenix666> and graphics is fast? I mean opengl
[21:37] <BUGabundo> mine works okay with stock kernel
[21:38] <Phoenix666> I have nvidia geforce 8400gs. Which card do you have?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> I get 200 FPS on Compiz benchmarck
[21:38] <kklimonda> Phoenix666: I have no idea to be honest.. the only game I've played was nexuiz (or something like that)
[21:38] <BUGabundo> 8400m G
[21:38] <dtchen> yml: please wait; i'm quite busy with errands ATM
[21:38] <dtchen> yml: i will look in ~10 mins
[21:38] <BUGabundo> Phoenix666: let me run grlxgears
[21:38] <kklimonda> Phoenix666: i have quadro which is based on 8400M-GS
[21:39] <Phoenix666> kklimonda and the system is fast booting as said in the forums?
[21:39] <Phoenix666> Is it also more responsive than ibex?
[21:39] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: glxgears isn't really benchmark
[21:39] <amikrop> BUGabundo: Another thing I found out: If I do this "fake driver activation" thing I talked about before, then, if I reboot I get the "low graphics" thing, again.
[21:39] <BUGabundo> 3699 frames in 5.0 seconds = 739.540 FPS
[21:39] <BUGabundo> in full screen
[21:39] <kklimonda> Phoenix666: it works just fine - haven't noticed any slowdowns nor problems
[21:39] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I know but what else do we really have?
[21:39] <yml> dtchen: whenever you can it will be appreciated. Also I am on battery so I might disapear before you get a chance to look at it
[21:39] <amikrop> BUGabundo: I don't know if that helps.
[21:40] <BUGabundo> amikrop: sure... seems that you get the driver partially installed
[21:40] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: probably running some timedemo in nexquiz or similar game would be more reliable.
[21:40] <BUGabundo> try $ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:40] <Phoenix666> I just tried glxgears in fullscreen: 188 FPS
[21:40] <manpoole> what would be the best way of setting up a partitions for a home user with 250 hd?
[21:41] <kklimonda> manpoole: 7-8 GB for /
[21:41] <BUGabundo> Phoenix666: disable VSync
[21:41] <mrwes> I'd use 10-15gb for /
[21:41] <mrwes> :)
[21:41] <Phoenix666> manpoole I suggest 80 GB / and the rest /home
[21:41] <kklimonda> manpoole: some for swap (depends on how much memory you have) and the rest for /home
[21:41] <mrwes> heh
[21:41] <BUGabundo> 15 at least for /
[21:41] <mrwes> right
[21:41] <manpoole> 80 for /?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> I have 10 and its 95% full
[21:41] <manpoole> i was going to use 20
[21:42] <BUGabundo> wait wait
[21:42] <BUGabundo> why not FULL disk for /?
[21:42] <mrwes> BUGabundo, I've used 10 too, and wished I had used 15
[21:42] <amikrop> BUGabundo: The --configure stuff was gaoing to me?
[21:42] <manpoole> if you have a /home
[21:42] <amikrop> * going
[21:42] <BUGabundo> why not FULL disk for /?
[21:42] <kklimonda> mrwes: I have never really used 7GB at home.. but then I don't test new apps every day :)
[21:42] <BUGabundo> no need to have spare disk for home now
[21:42] <BUGabundo> re-install can keeep user data
[21:42] <harvest> Generally speaking - is the Nvidia video card have better support over the ATI video card ? ?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> harvest: yes
[21:42] <mrwes> BUGabundo, what? really?
[21:42] <Phoenix666> manpoole I have 70 Gb and filled for 67%
[21:42] <BUGabundo> mrwes: since Hardy
[21:43] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: sometimes it's nice to have /home at different partition just in case. If you have to reinstall system or you want to change distribution It's easier this way
[21:43] <mrwes> BUGabundo, that's the first I've heard of that
[21:43] <Phoenix666> I installed every thing more or less :)
[21:43] <manpoole> 70 for your root
[21:43] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you should clean it up :)
[21:43] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:43] <BUGabundo> I have a 320GiBs disk (10 /, 8 swap, rest home)
[21:43] <manpoole> bug thats about what i was going to do
[21:43] <kklimonda> well, i guess you can just use lots of apps :)
[21:43] <Phoenix666> for me 10 Gb is too low
[21:43] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: you can reinstall without format /
[21:43] <mrwes> BUGabundo, guess long as you don't format :)
[21:43] <BUGabundo> so no need to have /home on anohter partition
[21:43] <BUGabundo> so no need to worry about disk waste
[21:43] <mrwes> hrmm
[21:44] <BUGabundo> mrwes: of course as long as you DON'T format it
[21:44] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: does it work reliably? It just removes all folders except /home?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> untick the box when installing
[21:44] <Phoenix666> I suggest /home in a different partition not to loose data
[21:44] <harvest> BUGabundo, I did a fresh install of Jaunty using a ATI EAH3450 HDMI - and so far is really buggy when playing video.
[21:44] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: not only home but a few more
[21:44] <amikrop> BUGabundo: I ran "$ sudo dpkg --configure -a" and got no output.
[21:44] <Phoenix666> BUGabund what do you mean disable VSync
[21:44] <Phoenix666> you mean to add an option in xorg.conf
[21:45] <BUGabundo> Phoenix666: open ccsm and disable vsync in General options
[21:45] <manpoole> So i was going to do 4 gigs for /swap 20 gigs for / and the rest to /home
[21:45] <BUGabundo> amikrop: ok so no lack of packages installing
[21:45] <harvest> BUGabundo, Do you know if a Nvidia 9500GT PCI-Express would have better support?
[21:45] <BUGabundo> manpoole: how much ram? do you plan to use hibernate'?
[21:45] <BUGabundo> harvest: don't know
[21:45] <manpoole> 2 gigs
[21:45] <amikrop> BUGabundo: I see. Any recommendations? :)
[21:46] <manpoole> and i never have a plan
[21:46] <BUGabundo> manpoole: I would go with 4GiBs of swap at the beginning of the disk where it is faster and the rest for /
[21:46] <harvest> BUGabundo, Will go do some searching on google & forums - THanks
[21:46] <dtchen> yml: i'm missing information for the bug you commented on
[21:46] <Phoenix666> BUGabundo if you mean Sync to VBlank I have already disabled
[21:46] <BUGabundo> amikrop: no more then before, file a bug and ping mvo or pitti
[21:46] <yml> dtchen: what do you need ?
[21:46] <dtchen> yml: i would prefer that you file a separate bug using `ubuntu-bug alsa-base'
[21:47] <BUGabundo> amikrop: $ ubuntu-bug jockey-gtk
[21:47] <dtchen> yml: you have different hardware to the original reporter of that bug
[21:47] <zsquareplusc> dead link on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/jaunty/rc/ .. where can i get the nslu2 images?
[21:47] <dtchen> yml: and thus, a completely separate issue
[21:47] <BUGabundo> dtchen: can't he add with apport-collect -p alsa-base BUGID
[21:47] <BUGabundo> ?
[21:47] <manpoole> kind of a stupid question dont laugh but can the /swap be ext4? or does it have its own unique extension
[21:47] <amikrop> BUGabundo: Could this be anyhow related? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1026512
[21:47] <Phoenix666> manpoole swap has a particular format
[21:48] <manpoole> okay
[21:48] <dtchen> BUGabundo: please read above; he has completely different hardware. i don't wish to clutter the original bug report with orthogonal causes.
[21:48] <Phoenix666> so no ext4
[21:48] <zsquareplusc> manpoole: swap has its own format. its not that you apply a filesystem to it
[21:48] <BUGabundo> manpoole: swap is swap... not any other FS
[21:48] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ok
[21:48] <Phoenix666> BUGabundo how old are you?
[21:48] <manpoole> alright couldnt remember thanks
[21:48] <Phoenix666> It seems to me you are very prepared
[21:48] <BUGabundo> Phoenix666: why do you ask?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> I just spend here a lot of time
[21:48] <amikrop> BUGabundo: OK, then. Thanks a lot :-)
[21:48] <BUGabundo> been doing this for a long time
[21:48] <dtchen> yml: please tell me the bug report # that is filed
[21:49] <Phoenix666> Just to know if I'm too old or not. I'm 34
[21:49] <yml> dtchen: I run the command
[21:49] <manpoole> I am going to give ext4 a whirl
[21:49] <manpoole> without the /home
[21:49] <BUGabundo> and I read a lot of intel of what is going around Phoenix666
[21:49] <yml> dtchen: which summary do you want ?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> Phoenix666: a bit offtopic but im a few years young, but not much
[21:49] <dtchen> yml: please submit the bug, then tell me the bug #
[21:50] <Phoenix666> OK :(
[21:50] <Phoenix666> I'm old boooh :)
[21:50] <kklimonda> Phoenix666: too old for what? :)
[21:51] <BUGabundo> Phoenix666: don't you worry... we have much older users around
[21:51] <Phoenix666> and which kind of theme do you prefer for jaunty?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> Phoenix666: lets stop with offtopic eheh
[21:51] <kklimonda> Phoenix666: New Wave
[21:51] <xangua> i prefer Shiki Colors Phoenix666
[21:51] <BUGabundo> don't take me bad... its just noisy for others!
[21:51] <harvest> Is there a way in Synaptics to list or see all new or recent apps you have installed ? ?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> either it on #ubuntu-offtopic or PVT
[21:51] <Phoenix666> OK BUGabundi
[21:52] <Phoenix666> OK BUGabundo sorry
[21:52] <BUGabundo> harvest: sure... see History on File
[21:52] <xangua> harvest: in History
[21:52] <BUGabundo> or /var/log/apt/
[21:52] <Phoenix666> harvest you look at history in synaptic
[21:52] <BUGabundo> eheh 3 replies
[21:52] <Phoenix666> more graphical
[21:52] <BUGabundo> you are lucky
[21:52]  * BUGabundo loves CLI
[21:52] <Sinnerboy> Im about to install Jaunty RC cant see where to chose ext4 any help?
[21:53] <harvest> BUGabundo, Thanks again, getting ready to dump this install & reinstall with a Nvidia vid card -
[21:53] <Phoenix666> Sinnerboy it should be during partition if you decide to format
[21:53] <dtchen> Sinnerboy: you have to explicitly chose ext4 during installation
[21:53] <BUGabundo> Sinnerboy: manual disk mode
[21:53] <BUGabundo> then choose ext4
[21:53] <harvest> Phoenix666, Thanks
[21:53] <dtchen> choose*
[21:53] <Sinnerboy> ok got it now thanks
[21:54] <Phoenix666> at phoronix they say that ext4 is faster than ext3
[21:54] <BUGabundo> it is
[21:54] <SuperQ> Phoenix666: yup
[21:54] <shiznebit> is ext4 still prone to the config files being erased if you shutdown ?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> but I use XFS so I don't notice mcuh
[21:54] <BUGabundo> shiznebit: any FS is
[21:54] <Phoenix666> one question if I keep home ext3 and make / in ext4 do I have problems?
[21:54] <yml> dtchen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/363870
[21:55] <BUGabundo> shiznebit: it just happens that ext4 and XFS have bigger allocation time
[21:55] <Noqq> I'm about to use the .iso Dekstop Cd and make it USB Bootable t oinstall on my Eee 1000He Netbook. Does 9.04 has any major bugs right now? Like no wireless internet or anything big?
[21:55] <SuperQ> Phoenix666: you can use ext4 for any fs
[21:55] <kklimonda> Phoenix666: no
[21:55] <shiznebit> BUGabundo: I see
[21:55] <BUGabundo> Noqq:  do you really want/need Desktop? you are better with UNR
[21:55] <BUGabundo> and it already as usb images
[21:56] <sebsebseb> yeah  Noqq wants to put  the RC on  rather than waiting for the final.   I guess  putting the RC on with Ext4, and upgrading would be ok?
[21:56] <harvest> Phoenix666, Would there be a way to save the Synaptic History of installs as a log or text file?
[21:56] <Noqq> BUGabundo, sorry, UNR?
[21:56] <Phoenix666> Because my home is so filled that seems pregnant and I have to buy a new HD to change competely the fs
[21:56] <BUGabundo> ubuntu network remix
[21:56] <BUGabundo>  !unr
[21:56] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: I think I read that 9.04 gets some netbook improvements
[21:56] <kklimonda> Phoenix666: actually you can convert from ext3 to ext4 on the fly
[21:56] <BUGabundo> Noqq: let me get the link with more info
[21:56] <SuperQ> harvest: /var/log/dpkg.log
[21:56] <Noqq> BUGabundo, ow you mean that. Well, if it works just as good and has same options, I prefer that version.
[21:57] <sebsebseb> kklimonda: can't get full Ext4 suppourt by converting  Ext3
[21:57] <BUGabundo> Noqq: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/
[21:57] <harvest> SuperQ, Thank you - appreciate it,
[21:57] <sebsebseb> Phoenix666: for full suppourt you need to clean install for Ext4, for partial suppourt you can  do something to Ext3
[21:57] <kklimonda> sebsebseb: what doesn't work? extends are enabled only for new files. what else?
[21:57] <Noqq> BUGabundo, thanks for the link. But I do not understand how to open up a .img. Is it already made Bootable?
[21:58] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: Noqq is new to Ubuntu
[21:58] <BUGabundo> Noqq: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2009-April/000121.html
[21:58] <sebsebseb> Noqq:  have you even tried Ubuntu or any Linux yet?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> Noqq: those links have a link on how to do that too
[21:58] <DASPRiD> Hi there. I'm currently trying out the release candidate. When copying files via nautilus, the files copy fine, but the copy-dialog is just gray, anyone experiencing the same?
[21:58] <Phoenix666> harvest in /var/log/apt you find log files with the history. you can see as root
[21:58] <BUGabundo> DASPRiD: slow device?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> the gray is Compiz
[21:59] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, not that gray
[21:59] <Noqq> sebsebseb, no.
[21:59] <yml> dtchen: do you need anything else ?
[21:59] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, i see 3 progressbar, but no text
[21:59] <DASPRiD> its the standard gui-gray
[21:59] <BUGabundo> Noqq: ok so ill try to do baby steps ok?
[21:59] <dtchen> yml: please be patient, thanks
[21:59] <DASPRiD> wait, i make a screenshto
[21:59] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, http://home.dasprids.de/screenshot1.png
[22:00] <Noqq> BUGabundo, ye, I'm really stuck at the installment for 9.04 on a usb bootable device.
[22:01] <Noqq> BUGabundo, I understanded the 8.04 .iso method, but now the .img stuff is new to me.
[22:01] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:01] <shiznebit> Noqq: I can try and help, whats up ?
[22:01] <yml> dtchen: It is not that I am  impatient but I am on battery as I told you (20%) so I want to make sure that I give you the best info I can. I appreciate your help vey much thank you
[22:01] <BUGabundo> that's a new gray DASPRiD
[22:01] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, hm?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> Noqq: ok... lets start
[22:01] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, thats the gray of my theme, yeah
[22:02] <BUGabundo> Noqq: get http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/jaunty-netbook-remix-i386.img
[22:02] <BUGabundo> when it is done let me know
[22:02] <DASPRiD> but why are there all gui-elements missing?
[22:02] <Phoenix666> which theme do you use in jaunty?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> don't know
[22:03] <Noqq> BUGabundo, Yep, started the download already when you metnioned about it. At 100mb's now.
[22:03] <BUGabundo> maybe a theme bug?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> Noqq: ok
[22:03] <BUGabundo> when it is done, do:
[22:03] <BUGabundo> sudo dd if=/path/to/your/downloaded.img of=/dev/device/you/saw/in/dmesg bs=1024
[22:03] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, hmm probalby, lemme check
[22:03] <BUGabundo> this means you will need to know where the image is saved
[22:03] <BUGabundo> prob Destkop
[22:03] <BUGabundo> and also what is your USB device
[22:05] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, not a theme bug, trying to disable compiz...
[22:05] <BUGabundo> Noqq: so if you already have the usb pen connected, run $ mount, and you will find the dev
[22:05] <dtchen> yml: im' looking, but my connection is quite jittery
[22:05] <wirechief> yml have you mentioned your problem to the people in #alsa ?
[22:05] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, no, its neither a compiz bug
[22:05] <yml> yes
[22:06] <Noqq> BUGabundo, Ok, got the command lines. And these lines just go in, Start>Run>'cmd'?
[22:06] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, whats the right word for that copy dialog in english? i'll search the bug tracker
[22:06] <BUGabundo> Noqq: ehehe
[22:06] <BUGabundo> Applications->terminal
[22:06] <wirechief> yml ok , they have a nice script for gathering up information about sound  stuff
[22:06] <BUGabundo> DASPRiD: don't know
[22:06] <sebsebseb> would this be a good idea?  instead of  starting over with a new home that I made Ext4.  Move the data into another partition, convert the partition to Ext4, and then move data back.  then I got a proper Ext4 home partition?
[22:07] <sebsebseb> or  I mean move bits and peices
[22:07] <sebsebseb> I  want full Ext4, so looks like I got to start over really
[22:07] <yml> wirechief: nobody told me about
[22:07] <BUGabundo> Noqq: sudo dd if=~/Desktop/jaunty-netbook-remix-i386.img of=/dev/sdb1 bs=1024
[22:07] <BUGabundo> but CHECK if it is really sdb1
[22:07] <mrwes> heh
[22:08] <BUGabundo> Noqq: other wise you may replace some other disk
[22:08] <Noqq> BUGabund, and 'sdb1' is? Thanks for helping though. I currenlt got my usb plugged in, formatted it, FAT32.
[22:08] <dtchen> yml: your issue should be resolved in a current alsa-driver snapshot: http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.bz2
[22:08] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, hm nevermind, restart of nautilus fixed it
[22:08] <wirechief> yml here is the script wget -O alsa-info.sh  http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[22:09] <shiznebit> Noqq you got the flash drive in the usb, only that flash drive ?
[22:09] <yml> dtchen: thank you i am going to check it out
[22:09] <wirechief> yml you can include the report in your bug reporting, it gives lots of information
[22:09] <Noqq> shiznebit, flash drive in the usb? I just got an empty 2g usb now.
[22:09] <dtchen> wirechief: no need for that; we've incorporated it into the alsa hooks for ubuntu-bug/apport-collect
[22:09] <BUGabundo> Noqq: I need to know what device is the USB
[22:10] <Noqq> BUGabund, H:\
[22:10] <wirechief> dtchen great!
[22:10] <BUGabundo> dtchen: if the script was not audicted, how come it went to apport?
[22:10] <yml> wirechief: how can run it ?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> Noqq: press TAB to autocomplet nicks
[22:10] <wirechief> yml in a terminal
[22:10] <BUGabundo> Noqq: are you on windows??????
[22:10] <dtchen> BUGabundo: the script didn't get inserted; we poll stuff directly from the fs
[22:10] <wirechief> yml but its included now in the apport
[22:10] <yml> good
[22:10] <Noqq> BUGabund: Yes, XP, (I'm on main pc, got my asus eee pc 1000he next to me)
[22:11] <shiznebit> lol
[22:11] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i.e., there's some duplication of functionality between the script and the alsa/pulseaudio hooks for apport
[22:11] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[22:11] <BUGabundo> Noqq: humm then you need another way
[22:11] <BUGabundo> sorry
[22:11] <dtchen> i'm offline for a few hours
[22:11] <shiznebit> Noqq: have you tried unetbootin ?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> some ppl use unetbootin
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I never did, so I can't help there
[22:12] <shiznebit> Noqq: just download and install unetbootin from http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net
[22:13] <Noqq> shiznebit: I got UnetBootin, used it with 8.10 .iso, but I heard 9.04 is better to get right now.
[22:13] <wirechief> shiznebit ive used unetbootin
[22:13] <Noqq> shiznebit: But since I'm stuck at what file to download for 9.04
[22:13] <shiznebit> Noqq: oh
[22:13] <wirechief> shiznebit just use apt-get install unetbootin its in the ubuntu stuff now
[22:14] <shiznebit> wirechief: huh ?
[22:14] <wirechief> shiznebit yes its in the ubuntu repos
[22:15] <shiznebit> Noqq: download the live cd
[22:15] <Noqq> shiznebit: Ok. But then still.. what is the netbook remix version?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> I would go with the UNR iso then
[22:16] <BUGabundo> and use unetbootin to make it to USB
[22:17] <Noqq> BUGabundo: But it's an .img file, can I use that with UnetBootin aswell?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> don't know
[22:17] <BUGabundo> as I said before, never used it before
[22:17] <BUGabundo> you have both ISOs and IMG on the site
[22:17] <Noqq> BUGabundo: Cause I'm only seeing stuff with IMGwriter, but I cannot open the .deb files and do not understand the stuff around writing .img's
[22:18] <wirechief> shiznebit:  this is the installed version of it on Jaunty          ii  unetbootin                                 304-1                             installer of Linux/BSD distribut
[22:18] <BUGabundo> bah can't find the UNR iso
[22:18] <shiznebit> Noqq: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/
[22:19] <BUGabundo> Noqq: those wikis are for ppl running LINUX
[22:19] <BUGabundo> shiznebit: no ISO there :(
[22:19] <shiznebit> BUGabundo: yea woops
[22:19] <DASPRiD> hm, which player that comes with jaunty does support vdpau by default?
[22:19] <shiznebit> BUGabundo: i dont think it should matter
[22:19] <BUGabundo> DASPRiD: None?
[22:19] <shiznebit> Noqq: h/o ill try
[22:20] <BUGabundo> I know that someone build mplayer with support for it
[22:20] <DASPRiD> BUGabundo, sad, because the vdpau lib is already shipped with jaunty
[22:20] <BUGabundo> shiznebit: do you have wind whre you can try to use the img to run to USB?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> that would work for Noqq
[22:20] <Noqq> shiznebit: is it such a big difference using UNR or the standard Ubuntu?
[22:21] <shiznebit> Noqq: yea its design for the small screen
[22:22] <BUGabundo> Noqq: and has better drivers support for that hardware
[22:22] <mrwes> I see Jaunty commented out my Touchpad settings in xorg.conf -- where is that maintained now?
[22:22] <Noqq> shiznebit: Ok, then I really gonna need to figure out how to make those .img's files bootable from an usb device.
[22:23] <usser> hi is obex share browsing working on nautilus in jaunty?
[22:23] <zash_> usser: yes, i think so
[22:24] <usser> zash_, i get media type not supported every time i try to connect to my phone through bluetooth
[22:24] <Noqq> I'm reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting, is this meant for LINUX users? Or is there a way to use this tutorial on Windows?
[22:24] <zash_> usser: can you send files to the phone?
[22:25] <usser> zash_, yep
[22:25] <shiznebit> Noqq: Linux
[22:25] <zash_> usser: do you use the bt applet to browse?
[22:25] <Noqq> shiznbit: damn.. so .img is only for linux users?
[22:25] <shiznebit> Noqq: no
[22:25] <usser> zash_, sending/receiving even tethering works a charm with blueman, browsing doesnt work with default applet or blueman
[22:26] <soc1> does someone know if ship-it sends 32bit or 64bit cds?
[22:26] <soc1>  there is only a quantity option, but no explanation if these cds will be 64bit or 32bit ...
[22:26] <BUGabundo> Noqq: not sure it will work, but try it your self
[22:26] <Noqq> shiznebit: Ok, so when I got my .img (from 9.04) done downloading, I can use UnetBootin to make it bootable on my USB?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> Noqq: to use the img and unetbootin
[22:26] <zash_> usser: can you browse from some other device?
[22:27] <usser> zash_, thats the only computer with bluetooth i have sadly.
[22:27] <shiznebit> Noqq: I really hope so
[22:27] <Veinor> Hey, if I just got a new external HD, should I format it ext4 or ext3?
[22:27] <Veinor> I'm guessing ext4 because higher version number automatically = better.
[22:27] <Noqq> shiznebit: I'm not trying it, I just got this netbook, and since I'm new to this, I really don't want to screw it up.
[22:28] <zash_> usser: might be a setting somewhere in the phone or something, i have no idea
[22:28] <shiznebit> Noqq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR#From%20Windows%20Command%20Prompt%20using%20flashnul
[22:28]  * lasivian__ upgrades her notebook
[22:28] <lasivian__> wish me luck :S
[22:29] <shiznebit> Noqq: thats for windows but you have to use the commandline
[22:29] <usser> zash_, yea thats what i thought, since its pretty much default install. so it works for you right?
[22:29] <lasivian__> i'monly mostly terrified, not completely terrified
[22:30] <BUGabundo> lasivian__: *Luck*
[22:30] <Noqq> shiznebit: Aw thanks, thats a good small tutorial that I can rely on. One question and then I need to walk dog and maybe come back on my netbook, since it's late. :P
[22:30] <BUGabundo> lasivian__: have you made a tested bakcup of your importante data?
[22:31] <zash_> usser: i don't currently have anything to test with, but i think that it worked with new nokia a while ago
[22:31] <BUGabundo> also lasivian__ have you read the release notes?
[22:31] <Noqq> shiznebit: What does this command do? Make the .img bootable on the usb that is plugged in, or does it run the installment right away?
[22:31] <lasivian__> yes to a backup, no to release notes
[22:31] <Jordan_U> soc1, They used to send out both 32 and 64 bit and have an option, but the last time I tried they also sent out 10 CDs without a special request and were still sending PPC CDs so it may have changed
[22:32] <BUGabundo> lasivian__: girl read on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[22:32] <lasivian__> why
[22:32] <BUGabundo> lasivian__: known issues
[22:32] <soc1> Jordan_U: mhh ok, atm they only send one cd with "jaunty 9.04"
[22:32] <lasivian__> it'salready installing, i'm a newbie, i'll fix what's broken after the fact
[22:33] <BUGabundo> lasivian__: if you are a newbie how will you be able to fix it alone?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> lasivian__: while it instals, read the notes
[22:33] <lasivian__> i'm not alone, i'm here
[22:33] <BUGabundo> are you using UM -d to upgrade?
[22:33] <lasivian__> yeah
[22:33] <BUGabundo> eheeh good call lasivian__
[22:33] <BUGabundo> gnome or KDE?
[22:33] <lasivian__> gnome
[22:34] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:34] <DanaG> Here's what I wanna' figure out: something for an ARM-based Zaurus SL-5500.
[22:34] <shiznebit> Noqq: makes it bootable. also i doubt there is a LIVE feature, but im not sure
[22:35] <BUGabundo> soc1: Jordan_YOU yeah they are sending less and less cds now... I have to make my special request! but they aren't sending as much as I need
[22:35] <BUGabundo> 20 only lasts 1 week
[22:38] <Jordan_U> soc1, Interestingly http://www.kubuntu.org/faq says that 64 bit CDs are available via shipit, but it's entirely possible that they simply haven't updated the FAQ, I haven't yet found an official answer from canonical though
[22:38] <ienorand> BUGabundo: I take it you are a zealous missionary?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> ienorand: ahh??
[22:38] <soc1> Jordan_U: mhhm, interesting ... i sincerely hope they ship 64bit-cds ---
[22:38] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Distributing CDs?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> ahh yes
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I do a great job of promoting Ubuntu
[22:39] <BUGabundo> and give some at events, and in my FOSS classes
[22:39] <shiznebit> BUGabundo:  how do you get the stubborn people to switch ?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> eheh that's a trade secrete
[22:40] <Noqq> damn, flashnul is an annoying program. lol
[22:40] <BUGabundo> of course that GNU/Linux is not for everyone
[22:40] <Noqq> Sorry, was offtopic.
[22:40] <BUGabundo> you just need to know where to it
[22:40] <BUGabundo> Noqq: np
[22:41] <LasBuntu> it would be nice if the upgrade pointed out the things that might not work after the upgrade
[22:41] <LasBuntu> instead of me diging in a zillion and one patch notes
[22:42] <BUGabundo> LasBuntu: it does
[22:42] <ienorand> LasBuntu: It doesn't point at the online release notes when it asks?
[22:43] <LasBuntu> i'm sure the "online release notes" cover a great deal more things than I have installed here, and i'm not even completely sure what is still running on this box
[22:45] <BUGabundo> LasBuntu: run a livecd/usb
[22:48] <shiznebit> will jaunty get the 2.6.29 kernel at some point ?
[22:48] <LasBuntu> BUGabundo, why?
[22:48] <topyli> shiznebit: no
[22:48] <BUGabundo> shiznebit: NO
[22:48] <BUGabundo> bah topyli was faster
[22:49] <BUGabundo> LasBuntu: to test before upgrade
[22:50] <LasBuntu> BUGabundo, too late
[22:50] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:50] <LasBuntu> several things that wouldn;t work in 8.10 and I couldn;t fix were annoying me already
[22:50] <soc1> shiznebit: you can use the mainline kernel if you want
[22:50] <fuzzy> Hi i'm trying to get to the bottom of a Atheros 5007EG ( ath5k ) not working, from everything i read this card is supposed to be fixed in 9.04 and the livecd is supposed to work
[22:52] <fuzzy> after doing a migration from 8.10 ( which it did not work ) trying the backported ath5k & ndiswrapper i moved to 9.04 beta reading it had been fixed there
[22:52] <fuzzy> Reading last night i saw a bug report of someone saying it worked on the livecd and not the hd install
[22:52] <fuzzy> last night i downloaded the livecd to a usb drive and booted it
[22:53] <soc1> i'm running 2.6.29 on my laptop, because my intel wireless causes a kernel dump on shutdown
[22:53] <fuzzy> and i am still having major connectivity problems
[22:54] <fuzzy> no bandwidth, and massive disconnects.  I tried the advice of compiling the current compat-wireless ( nightly snapshot )
[22:54] <fuzzy> and this still did not fix it
[22:54] <fuzzy> i'm wondering if anyone has attempted this card and had any success, and if anyone has any more ideas to try?
[22:54] <wilhart> does anyone use soundblaster audigy 2 zs ?
[22:55] <shaga> I use atheros which is in acer aspire one
[22:55] <shaga> release candinate of Jaunty works just fine out-of-box
[22:55] <fuzzy> thats supposed to be the same card as this
[22:55] <fuzzy> this is an acer aspire 5610Z
[22:55] <fuzzy> shaga, are you using wireless encryption?
[22:55] <shaga> there's also proprietary driver but dont need it
[22:55] <shaga> yeah, wep2
[22:56] <fuzzy> you mean wpa2
[22:56] <shaga> oh, wpa2 yeah
[22:56] <fuzzy> could i get you to pastebin an lspci for me please?
[22:57] <shaga> let me go to my laptop, but yeah. in a minute
[22:57] <fuzzy> i'm starting to think there are very minor revisions of this card and some work and some don't
[22:57] <BUGabundo> shaga: gnome or KDE?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> there's a bug on kde and wpa2
[22:57] <shaga> gnome
[22:57] <fuzzy> also for the record i have tried network manager and wicd
[22:58] <fuzzy> i've been at this for about 4 days now
[22:59] <Jordan_U> fuzzy, Anything relevent in dmesg ?
[22:59] <fuzzy> i'll post a dmesg
[23:00] <fuzzy> from the livecd ( it looks like my compat-wireless nightly build borked my ath5k on the installed side )
[23:01] <shaga> fuzzy: there you go http://pastebin.com/d32c333bf
[23:01] <Noqq> Anyone that knows some basic stuff about flashnul, pm me.
[23:02] <shaga> I used it today to make a bootable usb stick
[23:02] <shaga> but I just followed guide
[23:02] <fuzzy> thanks shaga
[23:02] <Jordan_U> fuzzy, Also, make sure that ath_pci ath_hal etc are not loaded
[23:02] <Noqq> shaga: I think this is really a newb question, but when I try to fill in the cmd line, and press enter, the program shuts down
[23:03] <fuzzy> i've got them blacklisted on the install
[23:03] <shaga> Noqq: hmm.. so you are trying to make a installation stick for Jaunty?
[23:03] <Noqq> shaga: Yep
[23:04] <shaga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR#From%20Windows%20Command%20Prompt%20using%20flashnul I use that guide
[23:04] <Noqq> shaga: I understand what to do, but when I open Flashnul, and fill in the line and press enter, it just shuts down.
[23:04] <Noqq> flashnul -p
[23:04] <darich> random question: anyone know a working Jaunty PPA for Amarok 2.1 beta?
[23:04] <Noqq> Enter, shuts down.
[23:04] <shaga> it should, it's only to get number of the drive you are using
[23:05] <shaga> second line really starts on making a usb stick
[23:05] <fuzzy> shaga can i get you to pastebin a lshal ?
[23:05] <fuzzy> please
[23:05] <shaga> of course
[23:05] <fuzzy> thanks
[23:06] <Noqq> shaga: Is it true installing the UNR, deletes all content on your HDD? So deleting my documents and Windows?
[23:07] <shaga> its normal installation progress
[23:07] <shaga> so you can partition your disk all you want during it :)
[23:07] <Noqq> !p> shaga
[23:08] <ratboy> Installed restricted + VLC and get error when trying to play DVD movie in Totem - This is fresh clean install of latest Jaunty ?
[23:08] <shaga> fuzzy: there http://pastebin.com/d6724d220
[23:08] <fuzzy> ty
[23:08] <Jordan_U> ratboy, libdvdcss isn't in restricted, you need to get separately for legal reasons
[23:09] <Noqq> !pm > shaga
[23:09] <fuzzy> ratboy, are using totem or vlc?
[23:09] <Jordan_U> !dvd | ratboy
[23:10] <shaga> ok.. so you should type "cmd" to run box
[23:10] <shaga> and go to the directory where you have flashnul
[23:10] <ratboy> fuzzy, Ilike VLC better - but like to make sure things work in Totem as well - So I know later on down the road everything works...
[23:11] <fuzzy> well vlc doesn't use dvdcss from what i remember and totem does
[23:11] <Noqq> shaga: ye íve done this
[23:11] <Jordan_U> fuzzy, I think it's that totem ( gstreamer ) doesn't support menus but it will use libdvdcss
[23:11] <shaga> then you just type flashnul -p, check your drives number and then run the second command
[23:11] <fuzzy> i use xine for all my dvd playback
[23:12] <ratboy> fuzzy, Yes I know that - But as I said if it works in Totem then I know I have all the restricted or whatever I need for everything to work.
[23:12] <Noqq> shaga: sigh.. no, it doesn't work. :( Cause when I type 'flashnul - p' and hit enter. The program shuts down.
[23:12] <shaga> it should shut down
[23:12] <fuzzy> it's the only thing that won't process my pcm bitstreams for my spdif
[23:12] <shaga> you only need its verbose
[23:12] <shaga> to see your drives number
[23:12] <Noqq> shaga: Then how do I know my number? Cause I don't get anything to see.
[23:13] <Tesafilmchen> hi all, just tried to install kile, then got a system freeze--> hard restart, now apt is broken
[23:13] <Tesafilmchen> dpkg (Unterprozess): kann post-removal script nicht ausführen: Exec format error
[23:13] <Tesafilmchen> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von tipa (--remove):
[23:13] <Tesafilmchen>  Unterprozess post-removal script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück
[23:13] <ratboy> Jordan_U, I'am not a purist - I do not mind using the restricted codecs, etc. - Can you point in the right direction to find the libdvdcss - Is it in Synaptics?
[23:13] <shaga> Noqq: see that one http://pastebin.com/d5dd8fa11
[23:14] <Tesafilmchen> anyone have an idea to fix it?
[23:14] <shaga> it's how it works on my this os(xp)
[23:14] <shaga> I dont have usb stick in so it doesnt show it
[23:14] <shaga> but it's number was 3
[23:14] <Jordan_U> ratboy, It's not in synaptic, see the link from ubottu
[23:14] <Jordan_U> !dvd | ratboy
[23:14] <fuzzy> http://pastebin.com/m58927a79
[23:14] <ratboy> Jordan_U, Thanks - Will do.....
[23:14] <fuzzy> http://pastebin.com/m58927a79 <- dmesg, etc
[23:17] <shaga> hope he got it working :)
[23:19] <Skapare> is there an ISO for Juanty UNR?
[23:22] <sgodsell> when is the actual release date for 9.04?
[23:22] <kindofabuzz> 4/23
[23:23] <Skapare> 4 days
[23:23] <sgodsell> is it going to make the release date?
[23:23] <kindofabuzz> they should have shot for 4/20 =)
[23:23] <shiznebit> Skapare: i finally found it
[23:23] <Skapare> 4 long grueling days
[23:23] <shiznebit> Skapare: http://oem-images.canonical.com/unr/
[23:23] <kindofabuzz> RC is out now, basically the final release
[23:23] <shiznebit> Skapare: shit i got to tell noqq
[23:23] <fuzzy> kindofabuzz nooo then i wouldn't have gotten to enjoy my holiday
[23:23] <Skapare> shiznebit: is that an ISO or the USB thing?
[23:24] <kindofabuzz> fuzzy, you can make anyday a 4/20 day =)
[23:24] <sgodsell> so the final release to the public is in 4 days for sure?
[23:24] <fuzzy> kindofabuzz, i know, but that is a spirtual holiday to me, that's like putting the release on christmas
[23:24] <kindofabuzz> hehe
[23:25] <Skapare> shiznebit: OK, I see both .iso and .img there ... same file?
[23:25] <shiznebit> Skapare: you can usenetbootin to make the .iso bootable on usb
[23:26] <Tekno> how can i get video with wma audio working ?
[23:26] <Tekno> it has wma9 audio
[23:27] <fuzzy> info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_8086_27d4'  (string)
[23:27] <BUGabundo1> Tekno: install the codecs?
[23:27] <fuzzy> if i see that in lshal can i consider that a uid?
[23:27] <thiebaude> w32 codecs
[23:27] <Tekno> im on 64bit jaunty
[23:27] <BUGabundo1> w64 then
[23:27] <Skapare> shiznebit: actually ... I will use a different tool I just finished ... it turns an ISO into bootable on a USB key/SD card/etc ... while still leaving it as a working bootable ISO
[23:27] <thiebaude> !medibuntu
[23:27] <Tekno> E: Couldn't find package w64codecs
[23:28] <shiznebit> Skapare: ok
[23:28] <thiebaude> the windows codecs are the same thing
[23:28] <fuzzy> shaga, i don't think we have the same wifi cards
[23:28] <fuzzy> i think they are very close, but not the same
[23:28] <Skapare> shiznebit: and thus, once a distro adopts this ... only ONE image file needs to be distributed
[23:28] <thiebaude> it still should work
[23:28] <shaga> fuzzy: could be
[23:28] <Skapare> shiznebit: maybe I can get Canonical to consider it for 9.10
[23:29] <shiznebit> Skapare: what is the name of this tool ?
[23:29] <Skapare> shiznebit: no cool name for it just yet
[23:29] <shaga> hope you get it working
[23:29] <fuzzy> i think it's the backplane for the card
[23:29] <fuzzy> yours is a foxconn
[23:29] <fuzzy> mine is a AMBIT
[23:29] <Skapare> shiznebit: still need to do more testing and polishing
[23:29] <Jordan_U> Skapare, Do you mean that you have a bootloader that loads the iso file from the drive and boots it?
[23:29] <Tekno> I installed w64codecs
[23:29] <Tekno> but no sound
[23:30] <Skapare> Jordan_U: no ... it uses GRUB as the bootloader ... I made a tool that reconstructs the ISO image to work on both
[23:30] <Skapare> Jordan_U: it does apply a couple mods to GRUB (grub legacy)
[23:31] <Jordan_U> Skapare, What do you mean "to work on both" ? How do you install to a flash drive? dd ?
[23:31] <Tekno> VLC does not support the audio or video format "wmap". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this.
[23:31] <Skapare> Jordan_U: dd would work ... to the whole drive, like /dev/sdc
[23:31] <soc1> Tekno: wma with drm?
[23:31] <Skapare> Jordan_U: casper finds the filesystem on the whole drive, and it's mounted as iso9660
[23:32] <Skapare> Jordan_U: so you can d/l one file, burn to ISO and dd to USB key and both will work
[23:32] <Tekno> soc1: its wmv video
[23:32] <Tekno> with wma audio
[23:32] <soc1> mh
[23:33] <soc1> did you try vlc?
[23:33] <wirechief> Skapare so is this a hybrid.iso ?
[23:33] <thiebaude> Tekno: did you install the codecs from medibuntu?
[23:33] <Tekno> soc1: yes
[23:33] <Tekno> thiebaude: yes
[23:33] <Skapare> wirechief: I guess that would be a valid term to describe this
[23:33] <thiebaude> hi wirechief
[23:34] <boo-boo> anyone use kopete?
[23:34] <wirechief> Skapare hmm well i know kanotix has that atm but you can just do cp <package>.iso /dev/sdb  or whatever
[23:34] <wirechief> hi thiebaude
[23:34] <gio> hello folks
[23:34] <gio> I recently upgraded to jaunty
[23:35] <wirechief> Skapare but it isnt persistent
[23:35] <gio> kubuntu jaunty
[23:35] <gio> and I'm having some glitches with the audio
[23:35] <gio> basically from time to time it seems that one application takes the "lock" of the audio system
[23:36] <Skapare> wirechief: what do you mean ... that you can add files later to the ISO?  no ... but you can, after dd-ing to USB key, repartition to add a 2nd partition and use that for extras
[23:36] <gio> for example I just watched some videos on youtube
[23:36] <gio> and now if i try to listen to some music in amarok
[23:37] <Skapare> wirechief: I guess cp <package>.iso /dev/sdb would work, too
[23:37] <gio> I get a notification that says that the alsa device doesn't work and it is switching to .
[23:37] <wirechief> Skapare ok well that sounds neat, having persistence is wanted by a lot of people
[23:37] <gio> anyone know how I can fix these conflicts?
[23:38] <gio> has kubuntu jaunty moved to pulsaaudio?
[23:39] <wirechief> Skapare i havent tried to repartition this particular hybrid.iso (the thought did occur though) do you know why the current usb-creator is broken ?
[23:40] <wirechief> Skapare I am wondering what version of usb-creator or casper is needed to make it work ;)
[23:40] <Skapare> wirechief: I don't know of any brokeness ... as far as I know, ISOs are not intended to be hard-drive bootable
[23:41] <Skapare> on PC a CD/DVD has no partition table and its ISO filesystem begins at sector 0
[23:41] <wirechief> Skapare well i understand a fix was made to usb-creator, it was dropping to a initramfs busy box because of persistence but am curious what to look for that was updated.
[23:41] <gio> anyone?
[23:41] <Skapare> I've not studied usb-creator
[23:42] <Skapare> I focused on making images for downloading that can be copied raw directly to USB key (e.g. not with unetbooting)
[23:42] <fuzzy> gio: i don't know about kbuntu, but pulse has been a part since 8.10
[23:42] <wirechief> Skapare ok. well good luck with your project, sounds like an improvement to current .
[23:43] <Skapare> but I also decided to make it so that it does not destroy its ability to work as a bootable ISO
[23:43] <gio> thanks for the reply fuzzy :)
[23:43] <gio> anyway I think it was not present in 8.10
[23:43] <gio> and in 9.10 ps aux | grep pulse gives me no answer
[23:43] <wirechief> Skapare yes that would be ideal , must be that files have to be in the right place
[23:44] <Skapare> I guess I should look into usb-creator ... and maybe put my stuff underneath its user interface
[23:44] <gio> but I "suspect" the existence of an alsa pulse audio plugin
[23:44] <gio> to make non-kde applications work with kde
[23:44] <gio> actually with kubuntu that has not the pulseaudio daemon
[23:44] <wirechief> Skapare well currently they have both unetbootin and usb-creator in the repos and looks like this breakage had them running fast.
[23:45] <Skapare> wirechief: I do have to make custom mods to the GRUB bootloader source code ... mods that are different for each different ISO ... so I have to rebuild GRUB for each different ISO I do this for
[23:45] <gio> anyway it would be nice to know how to get rid of this problem
[23:45] <fuzzy> gio: did you look in apt?
[23:46] <Skapare> wirechief: I have a sample image up now at http://slashusr.net/ubuntu/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.img
[23:46] <wirechief> Skapare hmm well the one i tested all you did was drop the folder into / root and put coding in standard grub and it would boot to the live
[23:46] <Skapare> wirechief: I'm gonna grab Juanty beta and UNR and try them
[23:47] <Skapare> wirechief: that made an ISO/IMG file?
[23:47] <wirechief> Skapare the .iso was in the folder along with other files.
[23:48] <Skapare> an .iso inside a folder would not be hardware bootable
[23:48] <wirechief> Skapare it got booted from the grub coding
[23:48] <gio> fuzzy: uhm... but I guess the upgrade process should've installed already all the required data
[23:48] <Skapare> from CD media?
[23:49] <Skapare> or just from USB key
[23:49] <gio> I think I will open a topic in the forums
[23:49] <wirechief> Skapare no it was on the Kanotix partition, you could do it both ways either from usb or from the file
[23:49] <gio> and see if other people have experienced the problem already
[23:49] <Skapare> but if you burned that image to a CDROM would that CDROM boot and work?
[23:50] <wirechief> Skapare yes
[23:50] <Skapare> ok
[23:50] <Skapare> so they have one image file ... you can burn it to cdrom or cp it to usb key ... boots either way
[23:50] <wirechief> Skapare i think i have the link for the information on how it was done.
[23:50] <Skapare> I just did it a different way
[23:51] <wirechief> Skapare well either way its pretty cool ..
[23:52] <Skapare> my was used the original ISO as the base image ... replaced the first 512 bytes with MBR and stage1 (that doesn't break an ISO) ... and concatenated kernel, initrd, stage2 at the end ... eventually I'll teach it to access the kernel, initrd from inside the ISO
[23:53] <gio> it seems like some one had this problem already
[23:53] <gio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/314889
[23:53] <Skapare> the limitation in my design is on older CHS-only BIOS, size is limited to 8GB ... which isn't yet a problem for Ubuntu (is for Debian)
[23:55] <Sniper606> So how is the jaunty experience going for everyone?
[23:55] <Sniper606> I installed the rc1 with ext4 and I am very very impressed.
[23:56] <Skapare> Sniper606: I wish I could say ... but I was working on making things boot from a USB key because the only spare machine has no way to boot a CD
[23:56] <ienorand> Sniper606: apart from a bumby start, lovely :)
[23:57] <aaron__> does anybody know why I'm having such a hard time connecting to a WPA2 encrypted wireless network in kubuntu jaunty?
[23:57] <fuzzy> wifi card?
[23:57] <Skapare> Sniper606: I may get beta tried before 4/23 ... gonna build this CD/flash combo image first
[23:57] <aaron__> I could connect to it fine in previous versions of ubuntu
[23:57] <aaron__> and I can connect to other networks with the setup I have now
[23:58] <aaron__> but even when I took off all security on my network I still couldn't get anywhere with it
[23:58] <wirechief> Skapare http://kanotix.com/files/fix/.ng/live-mode-from-hd.txt
[23:58] <ienorand> Skapare: What's that you're cooking?
[23:58] <aaron__> it doesn't even give me a dialog to put in the password, like it does with every other netowork
[23:58] <fuzzy> which wifi card aaron__
[23:58] <Sniper606> Is there any reason why a person should format and reinstall when official release comes out or can I just use package manager to upgrade and if so is there any reason anyone would object to doing it this way? Right now Im on rc1.
[23:59] <Skapare> wirechief: the goal is to no need to rebuild the image by the end user ... it is that the distributed image would be usable both ways
[23:59] <Skapare> ienorand: yeah
[23:59] <aaron__> fuzzy: it's a broadcom BCM 4311