[02:25] <seele> ScottK: FYI https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarylandTeam/Events/ReleaseParties/Jaunty
[05:11] <nixternal> grrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:12]  * nixternal wonders if Kontact will ever catch up to Outlook Express
[05:12]  * nixternal kicks it hard
[05:33] <yao_ziyuan> what about update notifiers now? will they be a single, cross-DE solution?
[05:33] <yao_ziyuan> currently, i must modify /usr/bin/update-notifier-kde to use update-manager from time to time
[05:39] <maco> so apparently there's some documentation somewhere that disagrees greatly with the common wisdom of this channel.  emmajane says the docs she saw said to use IMAP because DIMAP was awful and buggy. which is backwards...
[06:34] <kb9vqf> nixternal: try Thunderbird; it works very well with an Outlook Express-like interface
[09:03] <Lure> a|wen: thanks for taking care of exiv2
[09:16] <a|wen> Lure: no problem
[10:12] <Tonio_> a|wen: your exiv upload got accepted :)
[11:03] <a|wen> Tonio_: yup, i saw ... now it's time for relaxing and enjoying the ride until release ;)
[11:06] <ScottK> seele: Thanks.
[12:31] <a|wen> Tonio_: around?
[13:51] <jjesse> morning
[14:49] <Quintasan> hi
[14:57] <rgreening> o\ Quintasan
[14:57] <rgreening> o/ :)
[14:57] <Quintasan> oh god I shouldn't be here @_@
[14:57] <rgreening> lol
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> o/
[14:58] <Quintasan> I have exams on wednesday and I should be learning :D
[14:58] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: \o
[15:01]  * Quintasan lacks motivation to learn
[15:24]  * Riddell spots http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20090420.1/
[15:58] <seele> why is kpackagekit using a gnome dialog? are we not using kpolicykit?
[16:02] <rgreening> seele: a missing package
[16:03] <rgreening> theres a dep still missing
[16:03] <rgreening> Tonio_: ^^
[16:03] <seele> rgreening: ok good to know
[16:03] <rgreening> seele: see if you have libpackagekit-qt11 installed
[16:04] <seele> mmm.. do i get an apt-get hint for how to do that?
[16:04] <rgreening> apt-cache policy libpackagekit-qt11
[16:04] <rgreening> see if it reports installed
[16:05] <seele> libpackagekit-qt11: Installed: 0.3.14-0ubuntu4 Candidate: 0.3.14-0ubuntu4
[16:05] <seele> looks like it
[16:05] <rgreening> hmm... 1 sec
[16:06] <rgreening> apt-cache policy policykit-kde
[16:09] <Tonio_> rgreening: it depends on policykit-kde | policykit-gnome
[16:10] <Tonio_> so the kde is installed if the gnome component isn't there
[16:10] <seele> policykit-kde: Installed: (none) Candidate: 0.0+svn920907-0ubuntu1
[16:10] <seele> ah, so install policykit-kde then?
[16:10] <Tonio_> rgreening: I cannot force policykit-kde only, since that'll install half of kde for gnome users....
[16:10] <rgreening> So, Tonio_why aren't we forcing/requesting the kde in our seed?
[16:10] <seele> policykit-gnome: Installed: 0.9-1ubuntu3 Candidate: 0.9-1ubuntu3
[16:10] <rgreening> seele: install the kde package.
[16:10] <Tonio_> seele: yeah, if you have policykit-gnome installed, it won't install the -kde one
[16:10] <seele> so are the deps messed up? why would policykit-gnome be installed?
[16:11] <Tonio_> seele: that's not ideal, but still the best we can do...
[16:11] <rgreening> so, what installed the gnome one?
[16:11] <seele> is that a jaunty requirement?
[16:11] <Tonio_> seele: you probably installed it a long time ago when testing kpackagekit and policykit-kde wasn't working
[16:11] <seele> is there a problem with policykit-kde?
[16:11] <rgreening> Tonio_: could the polocykit-kde be added to desktop seed?
[16:11] <seele> hmm
[16:11] <ScottK> Not now.
[16:11]  * seele tries to remember when the last reinstall was
[16:12] <seele> oh well
[16:12] <seele> as long as everyone else gets -kde
[16:12] <ScottK> seele: What does aptitude why policykit-gnome tell you?
[16:12] <Tonio_> rgreening: the "policykit-kde" package miht be droped and going to kdebase-workspace
[16:12] <rgreening> oh
[16:12] <rgreening> ok...
[16:12] <ScottK> Tonio_: Then kdebase-workspace can just provide it.
[16:12] <Tonio_> seele: yep, any new kpk installation will install policykit-kde
[16:12] <Tonio_> and kde users having policykit-gnome aren't that many
[16:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: yeah that makes sense
[16:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: on the other hand, I don't want to force a static dep on policykit-kde right now... seele's case is very specific since she tested kpackagekit at the last UDS afaicr :)
[16:14] <seele> hmm.. do i have to also remove -gnome? it is still using the gnome dialog
[16:14] <seele> Tonio_: no, i'm pretty sure i reinstalled since UDS
[16:14] <Tonio_> seele: you have to restart kde for the kded service to start, that's why it'll use gnome right now
[16:14] <seele> but i might have tested it afterwards and dont remember
[16:14] <Tonio_> seele: hum.... well you can try to remove -gnome
[16:14] <seele> oh blah, i'm not going to do that
[16:15] <Tonio_> I must say I don't know, when both are started, which one policykit is gonna use as default frontend....
[16:15] <Tonio_> possibly gnome indeed, which sucks :/
[16:15] <seele> damn, i removed -gnome but i still need to restart kde
[16:16] <Tonio_> seele: as said, that's a kded module....
[16:16] <Tonio_> seele: tou can start it manually or logout/login
[16:16] <Tonio_> seele: you can try to manually start the kde service associated
[16:17] <Tonio_> seele: it doesn't appear in the services list so yeah, you have to relog....
[16:18] <Tonio_> seele: that won't be a problem when it's part of kdebase-workspace, but right now this is a bit painfull...
[16:29] <seele> there we go, pretty qt graphics
[16:35] <seele> are security updates and regular updates listed separately in the overview list? i'm trying to figure out why all the updates are hidden in a tree widget
[16:38] <seele> hmm.. "The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!" we still have that problem?
[16:41] <Riddell> CDs are up, go test!
[16:43] <Riddell> anyone who doesn't test ISOs is smelly!
[16:44] <Mamarok> yes sir!
[16:57]  * seele is still grumpy about the shoes :P
[17:02] <kanonmat_> what's the difference between kubuntu desktop and kubuntu alternate?
[17:03] <Tm_T> kanonmat_: alternate install is not containing live desktop
[17:03] <Riddell> kanonmat_: desktop is the live installer, alternate is the text installer
[17:05] <Riddell> ~twitter update I admit it, the shoe wasn't seele's, she has far better taste
[17:06] <Riddell> seele: the "too much time to process" bug is annoying and glatzor doesn't seem to be around much to be poked, it probably just needs the timeout increased which could be a SRU
[17:22]  * JontheEchidna downloads ISO
[17:26] <nixternal> hola
[17:28] <jherland> Hi, just a small note (triggered by Riddell's blog post): I've successfully upgraded a Kubuntu 8.04 system to 9.04 beta using the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[17:31] <a|wen> jherland: good to hear :)
[17:31] <jherland> A couple of nits, though:1. Although the system was originally installed from a Kubuntu 8.04 CD, I still had to install kubuntu-desktop before the Distribution Update tool could do its job.2. After installing and rebooting X11 failed to start because of an fglrx issue. I rebooted in failsafe mode, and uninstalled the fglrx driver, and now everything works well
[17:35] <a|wen> jherland: the -desktop needs to be installed ... sometimes you end up uninstalling together with another program; maybe a check for any -desktop/-server package would be a good add-on to the upgrader for next release
[17:35] <seaLne> a|wen: yeah that would be a good test to add
[17:36] <Pollywog> When I try to change network connections in Kubuntu Jaunty, the screen turns black and I get an error about Plasma
[17:36] <Pollywog> I am not quite sure how to get debugging output for an error that arises from an applet
[17:37] <Pollywog> I was trying to get the applet to NOT show wireless connections, since this is a desktop
[17:37] <jherland> a|wen: Yeah, I guess I had a pretty minimal KDE install on 8.04 (at least kubuntu-desktop dragged in a lot of other packages...)
[17:38] <a|wen> jherland: if you uninstall some of the parts that has been decided as "core-components" you are a bit on your own as it is now :)
[17:39] <jherland> a|wen: Nah, that's ok. Not planning to uninstall anything...
[17:39] <Pollywog> the applet that causes the error is the one in the tray that looks like a plug
[17:40] <Mamarok> is there a known bug with Strigi not running? Can't even activate it
[17:41] <a|wen> Pollywog: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash <-- look at the part about -dbgsym packages
[17:41] <Pollywog> ty I think I have the dbg package installed, I installed kdenetwork-dbg
[17:42] <a|wen> Pollywog: you should install plasma-widget-network-manager-dbgsym and kdebase-workspace-dbg
[17:42] <Pollywog> ty
[17:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[17:45]  * a|wen waves to apachelogger
[17:45]  * apachelogger rewaves
[17:46] <a|wen> apachelogger: better translations?
[17:46] <apachelogger> no
[17:46] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact stracing systemsettings indicates that it doesn't even read any desktop'_*.mo file
[17:46] <a|wen> oh ... thought we got new lang-packs with them?
[17:47] <apachelogger> well, the files are there, systemsettings just doesn't seem to be using them
[17:49]  * a|wen tries to install one of the languages that was broken ...
[17:50] <apachelogger> the menu is now translated, systemsettings is not
[17:50] <apachelogger> actually, not at all ... not even in the menu Oo
[17:50] <apachelogger> the KCMs themself are translated though
[17:55] <a|wen> danish still works ... still installing onw of the other languages
[17:55] <apachelogger> true, danish works
[17:56] <apachelogger> fun \o/
[17:56] <apachelogger> strace doesn't mention a read on desktop_ either :P
[17:59] <Pollywog> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/154817/
[17:59] <Pollywog> there were errors in trying to install the dbg
[18:00] <a|wen> apachelogger: thai works as well (and that was on the list of broken ones)
[18:01] <a|wen> Pollywog: please try to do an aptitude update and try again
[18:01] <apachelogger> a|wen: try german
[18:01] <Pollywog> k
[18:01] <apachelogger> maybe my setup is screwed
[18:02] <a|wen> oh, they have huge langpack-files :P
[18:03] <apachelogger> hm
[18:03] <apachelogger> hold on right there
[18:03] <apachelogger> a|wen: how did you change the language?
[18:03] <a|wen> apachelogger: kde systemsettings
[18:03] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:03] <apachelogger> me too
[18:03] <apachelogger> baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad idea
[18:03] <apachelogger> default setup doesn
[18:03] <apachelogger> 't have that settings et
[18:03] <apachelogger> *set
[18:04] <a|wen> apachelogger: oh ... so where should i then try to change it?
[18:04] <apachelogger> KDE reads the LANG var and uses the appropriate language, which might be what is causing the problem
[18:04] <apachelogger> a|wen: language-selector, or maybe export LANG
[18:06] <apachelogger> wth
[18:06] <apachelogger> a|wen: now my systemsettings speaks german
[18:06] <apachelogger> IMHO all the localization stuff is pretty much messed up alright
[18:08] <a|wen> apachelogger: as long as you set it in kde systemsettings it looks to work
[18:11] <apachelogger> it also works in a new account
[18:11] <apachelogger> I really don't know
[18:11] <apachelogger> a|wen: other people had the same issue according to the bug report
[18:11] <apachelogger> maybe some caching is going on
[18:12] <a|wen> apachelogger: could be ... kde likes caching in many areas
[18:12] <a|wen> but working in a new account is great improvement IMO
[18:12] <apachelogger> hm
[18:13] <apachelogger> hooray \o/
[18:13] <apachelogger> my mom won't be able to install software
[18:13] <Pollywog> plasma-widget-network-manager is broken, according to aptitude
[18:13] <Pollywog>  
[18:13] <a|wen> apachelogger: oh yeah; that one is not translated anywhere it seams
[18:14] <a|wen> Pollywog: "apt-cache show plasma-widget-network-manager"?
[18:15] <apachelogger> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kpackagekit
[18:16] <apachelogger> it would appear to me that we did not import any existing translation
[18:17] <Pollywog> well I suppose someone will fix it sometime
[18:17] <Pollywog> ty
[18:17] <Pollywog> not a critical problem anyway
[18:17] <a|wen> Pollywog: if aptitude says it is broken ... it means that it is not installed correctly on your machine
[18:17] <a|wen> apachelogger: that was the part i feared when they changed the .desktop-mangler so late; that some packages would be forgotten :/
[18:18] <Pollywog> yes but I have not fooled around yet with the system
[18:18] <apachelogger> a|wen: not only desktop_ is affected
[18:18] <Pollywog> I only installed from the CD last night
[18:18] <Pollywog> so I did not break it
[18:19] <a|wen> apachelogger: indeed; nothing is imported
[18:20] <a|wen> Pollywog: did you try to apply system updates
[18:20] <apachelogger> that is the main problem I, as developer, am having with rosetta ... you gotta check everything because there is a 99% chance something either didn't get imported or add to the imports list or whatever
[18:20] <apachelogger> the workload rosetta alone causes could easily be used to create a new operating system
[18:20] <Pollywog> just the usual 'apt-get update' and apt-get upgrade
[18:21] <Pollywog> maybe I should use aptitude all the time
[18:21] <Pollywog> rather than apt
[18:21] <a|wen> apachelogger: there should be some sort of overview or warning at least ... but you're right; rosetta is pain!
[18:22] <a|wen> Pollywog: aptitude is the preferred one i'd say ... "sudo aptitude install" should try to repair everything; check if that doesn't solve it
[18:22] <Pollywog> ty
[18:23] <apachelogger> the main problem I, as someone who cares about translators, am having with rosetta is that there is a 99% chance that the translator will translate KDE 3 stuff because the interface can't cope with KDE 3 vs. KDE 4 because holy gnome never did such a switch since ubuntu got started
[18:24] <apachelogger> and to top that, I can't even fix it because it is still not open source ... which is the biggest of all problems: using a closed source development structure to do open source development
[18:24] <a|wen> that part sucks as well!
[18:26] <Pollywog> a|wen: aptitude fixed it
[18:27] <Pollywog> ty
[18:27] <a|wen> yay! 1-0 to aptitude once again :)
[18:27] <a|wen> Pollywog: np
[18:27] <eean> Riddell: your blog wasn't very specific on what ISO to test :)
[18:30] <a|wen> eean: welcome :) ... see topic if you want to join in
[18:31] <eean> ok, that link better not list five dozen isos :)
[18:31]  * eean looks
[18:31] <eean> ok thats easy enough
[18:40] <Riddell> eean: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20090420.1/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20090420.1/
[18:45] <Pollywog> The debugger crashes too
[18:45] <Pollywog> the output says the stack trace was unusable
[18:45] <Pollywog> :(
[18:45] <Pollywog> I guess the debugger needs debugging too
[18:49] <seele> Riddell: is glazor the packagekit maintainer?
[18:50] <Riddell> seele: yes
[18:50] <Riddell> glatzor
[18:50] <Riddell> Sebastian Heinlein
[18:51] <Riddell> he's the packagekit apt maintainer I should say
[18:51] <seele> ah ok
[18:55] <Pollywog> very strange..  'update-alternatives --config x-session-manager' does not give me a choice between gdm and kdm, I had to use dpkg-reconfigure to change the session manager
[19:15] <jtechidna-livecd> looking good
[19:22] <Tscheesy> people quite often ask for smaller/smoother Font - wouldn't it be an Option to include Androids Droid-Fontset in Kubuntu? i don't know the licence though
[19:23] <Tscheesy> these are meant: http://www.wuala.com/Tscheesy/Public/Fonts?lang=de
[19:23] <ScottK> I think we have it.
[19:24] <ScottK> I think it's droid-ttf or something similar
[19:24] <Tscheesy> yes - thei're calles like this - good news then
[19:24] <jtechidna-livecd> oh, I guess closing the window closes Quassel by default
[19:25] <Tscheesy> jtechidna-livecd : you need to disconect from core ;)
[19:25] <jtechidna-livecd> core? eh? I'm just poor mr user on the livecd trying to get networking going on his toaster
[19:25] <jtechidna-livecd> :P
[19:26] <jtechidna-livecd> lol @ this bit in the docs: Kubuntu includes the very best translations and accessibility infrastructure that the Free Software community has to offer, to make Kubuntu usable by as many people as possible.
[19:26] <Tscheesy> jtechidna-livecd : the pakaging is not ideal.. this is with the quassel-client
[19:27] <ScottK> jtechidna-livecd: It does seem this will be the best translated Kubuntu in a while, not that that's saying much.
[19:27] <jtechidna-livecd> "very best" made me almost spit vanilla coke out my nose
[19:28] <ScottK> That would have burned.
[19:28] <Tscheesy> it's a big issue in german support-foum
[19:28] <jtechidna-livecd> yeah, once when I was a kid I tried to drink soda through a staw with my nose
[19:28] <Tscheesy> +r
[19:29] <jtechidna-livecd> that was the last (and only) time I ever tried that
[19:32]  * nixternal takes it the translation in kubuntu-docs were OK as there hasn't been 1 bug or complaint just yet that I can find
[19:34] <Tscheesy> nixternal : the kubuntu-docs look fine - but the User see's the missing KDE-Translations first anyway..
[19:34] <nixternal> lol, good, so the ohter translations are hiding my flaws :)
[19:34] <Riddell> Tscheesy: what missing KDE translations?
[19:35] <nixternal> woohoo, RMS is following me on Identi.ca :)
[19:35] <Tscheesy> System Settings in the Mainmenu for example
[19:35] <Riddell> Tscheesy: what language?
[19:35] <Tscheesy> German here
[19:36] <Riddell> ok I'll try a german install shortly
[19:36] <Riddell> although it was all translated for me last I tried
[19:36] <Tscheesy> Riddell : thx
[19:37] <apachelogger> uhm
[19:37] <apachelogger> nixternal, Tscheesy: I am getting the main category not translated
[19:37] <nixternal> apachelogger: in documentation?
[19:38] <apachelogger> neither the index of it , neither the subcategory names, neither the about kubuntu index....
[19:38] <apachelogger> nixternal: aye
[19:38] <apachelogger> actually about kubuntu doesn't seem to be translated at all
[19:38] <nixternal> well the index didn't get translated because rosetta still had templates from 6.06 in there that people kept translating
[19:38] <apachelogger> ...
[19:39] <apachelogger> ......
[19:39] <apachelogger> righto
[19:39] <nixternal> and probably nobody did translations for your lang either for those
[19:39] <nixternal> for translations, we only accept translations that have at least 65% completion
[19:39] <apachelogger> well, the system documentation is translated
[19:39] <apachelogger> the about kubuntu is just not
[19:39] <nixternal> for instance, we had just over 900 po files, after checking them for completeness, there were only like 400 left at most
[19:40] <sime_> guys, is there anything about 9.04 that I should know about before upgrading from 8.10?
[19:40] <apachelogger> + it's no wonder german is low on kubuntu translators considering we piss them off all the time
[19:40] <nixternal> and some docs were translated more than others
[19:40] <nixternal> lol
[19:40] <nixternal> apachelogger: the translations wouldn't be us pissing them off, it would be them not giving a shit
[19:41] <nixternal> if they don't have everything translated, guess what, it is their fault
[19:41] <nixternal> not mine, not yours, or anyone elses who actively develops kubuntu
[19:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: and if they have and it's not in the product?
[19:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: I am speaking general here
[19:41] <nixternal> if they have translated and it is not there, blame rosetta then
[19:41] <apachelogger> we had at least 2 KDE l10n doods working on german translation in rosetta
[19:41] <apachelogger> both left because of our funky broken stuff
[19:41] <nixternal> i went through a shit load of translations in less than a day
[19:42] <nixternal> the french team had way more once upon a time
[19:42] <nixternal> I would have to partially blame rosetta as they took forever to import our docs, and for some reason they still have all of our old docs
[19:42] <apachelogger> rosetta is to blame in any case
[19:43] <nixternal> would be good if I could at least manipulate the templates a little bit
[19:43] <nixternal> hahaha
[19:43] <apachelogger> for translators not wanting to continue work because it doesn't end up in the product, for exposing completely pointless and outdated stuff to the translators for not importing stuff (in time) for exporting it in broken formats....
[19:43]  * ScottK suggests some blogging about it.
[19:44] <ScottK> Quietly hoping for a miracle doesn't seem to have worked so well.
[19:44]  * apachelogger thinks ScottK would be the perfect guy for that
[19:44]  * ScottK is already on enough bad lists as it is.
[19:44] <apachelogger> I am certainly going to rant
[19:44] <ScottK> Excellent.
[19:45] <apachelogger> oh dear, the german translation mentions the english support list while there is a german one
[19:45] <apachelogger> nixternal: ^ just so you know :P
[19:46] <nixternal> we just need to get rid of documentation
[19:47] <Tscheesy> apachelogger : we have big plans for karmic - but anyway - Kubuntu-docs NEEDS general rewrite with KDE4
[19:48] <apachelogger> what kubuntu-docs need are more people working on them :P
[19:48] <Tscheesy> hmm
[19:48] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:48] <jtechidna-livecd> whoa, the new timezone map is spiffy
[19:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: jockey does not appear to be translated in the menu ... maybe the patch is flawed? ;-)
[19:50] <Viper550> You know Adept?
[19:50] <apachelogger> nixternal: does the english system documentation also refer to kdesu konqueror in the sudo section?
[19:50] <nixternal> apachelogger: yes, that has been filed already
[19:50] <apachelogger> okies
[19:51] <Tscheesy> apachelogger : we tried to replace these with kdesudo - there are more similar Bugs filde lately
[19:51] <apachelogger> nixternal: btw, did anyone take on rewriting KHC yet?
[19:51] <nixternal> nope
[19:51] <nixternal> I have worked with it, and it just needs to get chucked
[19:51] <nixternal> it is not a good help app at all
[19:52] <nixternal> help apps should be simple, like GNOME's Yelp
[19:52] <apachelogger> well, simple but powerful
[19:52] <nixternal> how powerful does it need to be?
[19:52] <apachelogger> KHC certainly is the latter, though an outdated kind of it
[19:52] <nixternal> it just needs to read docbook/html
[19:52] <nixternal> khc isn't powerful at all
[19:53] <nixternal> use search, it sucks, that isn't powerful
[19:53] <nixternal> htdig is dead
[19:53] <apachelogger> nixternal: look at the internals
[19:53] <nixternal> if you want something as busy as khc, then the qt assistant is the best
[19:53] <apachelogger> it interoperates mans and stuff and love and can even access scrollkeeper
[19:53] <nixternal> but still, I think that yelp is clean and simple
[19:53] <apachelogger> nixternal: no argument there
[19:53] <apachelogger> that is why KHC needs a rewrite
[19:53] <nixternal> yelp can do all of that as well I believe
[19:54] <apachelogger> nixternal: last time I checked it didn't expose KDE docs
[19:54] <apachelogger> anyway
[19:54] <apachelogger> first we need a fdo spec :P
[19:54] <nixternal> cuz it only reads xml
[19:55] <nixternal> i think we figured that 3 or 4 more lines of code to make it know that .docbook extensions == .xml for the help
[19:57] <Salze> Hi. I just upgraded to "jaunty" - upgrade from intrepid went fine, except that the ethernet connection dropped during the installation process (and updating via screen from a remote computer was a tip I had read before) and that the ath_pci module was not loaded. I could not get it running via the "Hardware" icon (jockey, I believe). I got it running by manually adding it to the /etc/modules. I now have the problem that "Mobile Broadband" i
[19:57] <Salze>  the Network Management plasmoid. Any hints how to fix that?
[20:13] <jtechidna-livecd> I'm wondering how I can go about adding the rosetta translations for QuickAccess to the upstream (I'm the upstream maintainer now)
[20:13] <Tscheesy> omg- Battery level is detected wrong (as since ever from time to time) - and my Netbook goes to XTremePowersave with no need - this by default in Jaunty
[20:14] <jtechidna-livecd> apachelogger: do you know if apps generally keep the po's in their source tree?
[20:14] <apachelogger> jtechidna-livecd: non-core ones, yes
[20:14] <apachelogger> usually within po/
[20:15] <jtechidna-livecd> any magic I need to do with cmake?
[20:15] <jtechidna-livecd> I can probably hork the po/CMakeLists.txt from amarok (or base mine off theirs) but will I need to do anything further?
[20:18] <jtechidna-livecd> meh, manually checking out po's from Rosetta each time they're changed will get boring real fast
[20:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why rosetta?
[20:27] <joshjtl> hey folks, what package is jaunty using to dectorate gtk apps like kde apps?
[20:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and what are we talking about anyway?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: exporting the translations for the plasma-widget-quickaccess package from rosetta and adding them to the upstream source
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> Rosetta since it already has full translations for 5 languages
[20:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is quickaccess in kde svn?
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> It has its own Launchpad project with its own bzr branch
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> quickaccess would probably just languish in playground if it was in kdesvn. It reimplements a lot of stuff Plasma already offers for the sake of effects
[20:30] <joshjtl> anyone know?
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> Folderview can acheive the same thing, but without navigation and effects
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> joshjtl: gtk-qt-engine, but I would recommend just using gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[20:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I still would recommend using kde svn
[20:30] <joshjtl> thanks
[20:31] <apachelogger> it exposes the source to 3rd party improvements and got a much more sensible handling of translation and stuff
[20:31] <apachelogger> + you could use one of the billion release scripts to craft together source, po and docs
[20:34] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:34] <Riddell> ja, das ist Deutch
[20:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: missing an s :P
[20:35] <Tscheesy> but understood
[20:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you can use amarok's po magic
[20:35] <Riddell> ja, das ist Deustch
[20:35] <Tscheesy> lol
[20:36] <Riddell> translations seem largely working to me
[20:36] <apachelogger> I don't think the combo stch is present in any german word
[20:36] <joshjtl> JontheEchidna: you know kcm-gtk-kde4 looks a lot better at least in firefox
[20:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, though there is some weird caching going on .... or at least I think it is caching
[20:36] <Riddell> kpackagekit and jockey .desktop and Install/About Kubuntu on the live CD don't
[20:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: where's that?
[20:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: does your patch assume the .mo is named desktop_ maybe?
[20:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: the caching only gets exposed upon update ... it required a reboot to get a translated systemsettings
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> QuickAccess is looking pretty nice for a 0.8.0 release though: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/quickaccess/trunk/annotate/head%3A/ChangeLog
[20:40] <Riddell> kdelibs being cached there I suspect
[20:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: are you importing translations too?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: this is what apachelogger and I were discussing
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> I plan on exporting what we have from rosetta and including it in the source
[20:43] <Riddell> that seems sensible
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> in the 10 days it was translatable, it was translated into 5 languages
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> but I've already changed some of the strings/added new ones, so they're already a teeny bit out of date :(
[20:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Be sure to mind the licensing documentation as rosetta translations are BSD (IIRC).
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> good point
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> would I need to add a COPYING.BSD?
[20:45] <ScottK> Something like that.  I don't pretend to know the details.
[20:46] <Riddell> the original is GPL (I presume) so the translations are too (GPL trumps BSD)
[20:46] <ScottK> Although true BSD has Copyright Regents of the University of California in it, so that would be a bit odd.
[20:46] <ScottK> True, they could be relicensed as GPL.
[20:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, that jockey one is strange, there's nothing in the code that should make it assume desktop_ in the name
[20:50] <Riddell> it assumes apps don't use desktop_*.po
[20:50] <Riddell> but not the opposite
[20:51] <apachelogger> true
[20:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: BSD doesn't require a copy of the full license to be shipped... unlike fsf licenses
[20:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: "must retain..this list of conditions"
[20:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that not placed in teh translations?
[20:57]  * apachelogger would think that it should be add there :P
[20:57] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:57] <apachelogger> too tired
[20:57] <apachelogger> gotta work today
[20:57] <apachelogger> nini
[20:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: don't think so
[20:58] <apachelogger> see, I can't even think :P
[20:58] <Riddell> but it does say "This file is distributed under the same license as the foo package"
[20:59]  * JontheEchidna is waiting for LP to generate the .po files
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> new mail!
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> heh, it went straight to the trash since I blackhole everything from rosetta :P
[21:10] <Riddell> DVDs are up!
[21:14] <Tscheesy> Riddell : these?:http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/ or here? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> quickaccess translations are in bzr
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> I'll probably do a 0.8 release in between the time jaunty id released and the time when karmic is opened
[21:22] <Riddell> Tscheesy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[21:27] <Tscheesy> 9h download.. so i know why i didn't do a dvd before
[21:34] <ScottK> nixternal: typo in the 'Gentoo is for ricers' blog entry.  Need on richers/ricers.
[21:34] <ScottK> on/one ironically enough
[21:34] <nixternal> yes, already fixed that :p
[21:48] <Tscheesy> Riddell : ok - now it's 1.5h download :) better..
[21:48] <Tscheesy> 1MB/s is not so bad..
[21:55]  * a|wen is over the MOTU sprint and now up-to-date on mail ... time for downloading an ISO
[22:54] <aleite> Hello guys
[22:54] <aleite> I am trying to compile KDe trunk on jaunty
[22:55] <aleite> But it isn't finding Opengl dev files
[22:55] <aleite> What package provides it?
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> which module are you building?
[22:56] <aleite> kdesupport
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> hm
[22:56] <aleite> I just upgraded ubuntu.. and it is not finding opengl anymore
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> libqt4-opengl-dev
[22:57] <aleite> let me see
[22:58] <aleite> still not found
[22:59] <aleite> libqt4-opengl-dev was already installed
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> weird, that package should depend on everything you need
[23:00] <aleite> Well, my kde trunk was working on 8.10... just upgraded now, and opengl is not found anymore
[23:01] <aleite> installed mesa-common-dev libglu1-dev.. and others