[00:00] <wirechief> Skapare yes, i think that is a good target
[00:00] <ienorand> Sniper606: Theoretically it should be the same... but depending on how much breakage and configuring you've had...
[00:00] <Skapare> wirechief: from that, it looks like they have an ISO inside an ISO
[00:00] <Sniper606> no breakge in rc1 everything is perfect
[00:01] <Sniper606> in the beta i had a bad problem, no /etc/fstab but no problems at all in rc1
[00:01] <wirechief> Skapare I seem to remember just copying it to the place indicated.
[00:02] <wirechief> Skapare your idea would to only have one .iso
[00:02] <ienorand> Sniper606: And this is an installed-from-rc? Then it shouldn't make a difference.
[00:02] <Skapare> wirechief: I'll have to see more details about how they did it ... but my grub config is different ... yes, only one file whether it is called .iso or .img
[00:02] <spartan2276> How can I reinstall the default Xserver-xorg OSS drivers
[00:03] <aaron__> fuzzy: I installed the 'Broadcom STA wireless driver' from the restricted drivers manager, if that helps
[00:03] <SectionOne> Hello All.. what would you guys recommend as far as hardware specs for an Ubuntu file server handling about 20 Windows XP/Vista computers?
[00:03] <spartan2276> I'v bee trying to chroot from a live cd and running sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx but it wont work
[00:03] <Skapare> wirechief: the script source to build is in the same directory as the test image:  http://slashusr.net/ubuntu/
[00:04] <wirechief> Skapare all those .isos are compatible with ubuntu.
[00:04] <Skapare> wirechief: grab the tarball ... no docs yet so you are on your own for now to explore how it works
[00:04] <Skapare> wirechief: is there a URL to the page for that project?
[00:05] <Skapare> when I come up with a project name for mine, I'll make a page for it
[00:05] <wirechief> Skapare which the hybrid.iso ?
[00:05] <Skapare> yeah
[00:06] <Skapare> with all the USB keys and SD cards around, I think distros should come on hybrid iso/img files
[00:06] <wirechief> Skapare just take the name of the file off and you have the directory
[00:06] <Skapare> OK, I'll look ... gotta go afk for a waiting phone call
[00:07] <wirechief> Skapare ok will check your webpage out
[00:08] <spartan2276> Is there any way to remove the ATI-drivers from a Live CD do I can login in again through GUI?
[00:10] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, The liveCD doesn't have fglrx on it
[00:11] <drbobb> hello, is sftp support broken in jaunty's dolphin?
[00:12] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: I know that, but my install does
[00:13] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: so I want to remove it from my main install and reinstall the OSS drivers so that I can use the system again
[00:13] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, Sorry, misunderstood, the chroot should work. Are you getting an error?
[00:13] <spartan2276> yes doing chroot and still getting an error
[00:13] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: this is what I did using chroot
[00:14] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx
[00:14] <wirechief> Sniper606 i just du to keep things current
[00:16] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: take a look at the error http://pastebin.com/m32e840b6
[00:17] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, Ahh, are you still in the liveCD session?
[00:17] <spartan2276> yes
[00:17] <spartan2276> this is the only way I can use my PC
[00:17] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, What is the mountpoint for the chroot?
[00:17] <spartan2276> /media/disk
[00:18] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, try running "sudo mount -o bind /dev /media/disk/dev" and "sudo mount -o bind /proc /media/disk/proc"
[00:19] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, That should make /dev and /proc available in the chroot, it looks like the removal script relies on at least /dev being available
[00:19] <spartan2276> ok so should I sudo chroot /media/disk again?
[00:22] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, No, just re run apt-get remove
[00:23] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: oops already did it and it worked, now how can I install the OSS default drivers
[00:23] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, They shouldn't have ever been removed
[00:23] <spartan2276> Jordan_U: can I run this sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[00:24] <Jordan_U> spartan2276, Yes
[00:24] <spartan2276> K let me try that
[00:24] <spartan2276> K let me try and reboot from normal session, thanks
[00:27] <Naynay> I take it that the ATI proprietary driver is still broken
[00:27] <Naynay> AMD only released a newer version of it a few days ago
[00:27] <DanaG> broken how?
[00:28] <DanaG> This bug, perchance?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[00:28] <Naynay> could be
[00:28] <Naynay> is that bug fixed?
[00:30] <Jordan_U> Naynay, fglrx is available for jaunty, they gave a pre-release version for Ubuntu so it could be tested during the development cycle
[00:31] <lifi> and most things are still broken :p
[00:31] <Naynay> Oh OK. Yes, that's the bug I was referring to
[00:32] <fuzzytwo> hey i'm trying to compile the compat-wireless nightly (4-19-09) in jaunty and i'm seeing errors trying to load the module, http://pastebin.com/m76a4b646
[00:32] <DanaG> The thing for me was that all versions even with Intrepid, were all broken.
[00:32] <DanaG> So, it wasn't just Jaunty for me.
[00:33] <fuzzytwo> does anyone know what ksize is supposed to be?
[00:33] <Naynay> ah
[00:33] <dust> i can only hear music in my front speakers!??! i got 6.1 speakers
[00:34] <on5sl> vlc is buggy like hell on ym machine?ubuntu completely freezes when going fullscreen
[00:34] <fuzzytwo> dust: are you playing a 2 channel audio file?
[00:34] <on5sl> i had to reset my pc...sometimes he crashes sometimes not.. Soem output from vlc: http://pastebin.com/d76de41c8
[00:34] <Naynay> vnc, you mean?
[00:35] <on5sl> vlc i mean
[00:36] <Naynay> Ahm of course. Now that I think about it, that's actually confusing. Both have fullscreen modes
[00:38] <dust> sorry, lost link
[00:38] <DanaG> Quick, somebody get a broom!  =þ
[00:38] <dust> any ideas on getting all my speakers soundable
[00:39] <fuzzytwo> dust:
[00:39] <fuzzytwo> have you tried a dvd with 5.1 dts or dd encoding?
[00:40] <dust> fuzzytwo: some thx trailers
[00:40] <fuzzytwo> did they work?
[00:40] <fuzzytwo> what did you watch them in?
[00:42] <dust> hmm
[00:42] <dust> totem
[00:42] <fuzzytwo> yea don't do that
[00:42] <fuzzytwo> totem uses gstreamer for output
[00:43] <fuzzytwo> and has a handy habit of mucking surround
[00:43] <dust> btw, when testing OSS it plays in all speakers
[00:43] <dust> pulseaudio only 2front and alsa 2front
[00:43] <fuzzytwo> i suggest you use something with a xine or vlc as the backend
[00:43] <dust> oss 5.1
[00:43] <fuzzytwo> it's because of your speaker arrangement
[00:44] <dust> how do i get 6.1 with pulseaudio or alsa
[00:44] <dust> i got creative sound blaster audigy 2 zs
[00:44] <fuzzytwo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=595412
[00:44] <fuzzytwo> try that
[00:44] <DanaG> oh, you can either install pulseaudio 0.9.15 from the PPA, or edit daemon.conf.
[00:44] <fuzzytwo> i use a turtle beach and a sony STR-DV10 to make my surround
[00:44] <fuzzytwo> but that is spdif out
[00:44] <dust> .asoundrc
[00:45] <dust> in /home/dust ?
[00:45] <fuzzytwo> yes
[00:46] <dust> fuzzytwo: should i use pulseaudio or alsa in output device preference for the audio category
[00:46] <dust> in the first chouse?
[00:46] <fuzzytwo> for all your stereo stuff
[00:47] <mylogic> anyone have any fun advise on intel's GM965 x3100 vid card and desktop effects?
[00:47] <fuzzytwo> and if you are not using spdif out use pulse
[00:47] <fuzzytwo> mylogic, try the dri2
[00:47] <mylogic> manually edit my xorg conf and restart xorg?
[00:48] <fuzzytwo> i have been using dri2 on my laptop
[00:48] <fuzzytwo> and aside from a random artifact once in a while it works really well
[00:48] <MarcN> no torrent for jaunty unr?
[00:48] <mylogic> where is the xorg.conf located at, can't remember off of the top of my head
[00:49] <fuzzytwo> MarcN, it's not released yet
[00:49] <mylogic> there are torrents for it though
[00:49] <wirechief>  try /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:49] <fuzzytwo> mylogic, all system wide conf files belong in /etc
[00:49] <mylogic> ah yes, that sounds right
[00:49] <mylogic> yeah, it's been a long time since I've done much manually conf editing, since back with gentoo and XFree heh
[00:49] <histo> MarcN: there is a torrent ont he download page
[00:50] <MarcN> fuzzytwo: my question should have been "no torrent for jaunty unr rc?" ;-)
[00:50] <histo> MarcN: www.ubuntu.com/testing
[00:51] <MarcN> histo: ah, I was looking at the 9.04 page here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[00:51] <mylogic> fuzzytwo: where do you change what vid driver is used? doesn't seem to be in xorg.conf
[00:51] <histo> MarcN: k np
[00:51] <histo> mylogic: xorg.conf isn't used anymore but if you specify a driver in there and the module is loaded it will use it.
[00:52] <mylogic> ah, what's the the line to add
[00:52] <MarcN> histo: that route takes me to where I started.  see torrents for other isos, but not the unr
[00:53] <histo> MarcN: whats the unr?
[00:53] <mylogic> hrm, I might just live without desktop effects until it's fully supported, shouldn't be long I wouldn't imagine
[00:53] <MarcN> histo: the bootable USB version for netbooks.
[00:53] <histo> mylogic: i've been using them for years
[00:53] <histo> MarcN: ahh no idea on that one.
[00:54] <MarcN> histo: my damn cable connection says 10+ hours.
[00:54] <mylogic> histo: I'm guessing you have an intel GM965 too?
[00:54] <MarcN> I think comcast is traffic shaping large downloads
[00:54] <histo> mylogic: ughhh intel cards have issues
[00:55] <mylogic> I haven't had any problem in the past, especially since I got this one preloaded with ubuntu (dell)
[00:55] <fuzzytwo> mylogic, your not changing your video driver just look at the jaunty beta annoucement
[00:55] <mylogic> I know, I saw it
[00:55] <fuzzytwo> it's documented there
[00:55] <mylogic> hmm
[00:56] <fuzzytwo> add it as an option to
[00:56] <fuzzytwo> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[00:56] <fuzzytwo> in that device section
[00:56] <fuzzytwo> i think that is where it belongs
[00:56] <mylogic> yeah, where is this documented again? Surely I'm not that blind these days
[00:57] <fuzzytwo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[00:58] <fuzzytwo> seach that page for EXA
[00:58] <histo> There are some issues with intel chipsets
[00:58] <mylogic> ah, ok
[00:58] <fuzzytwo> i'm using it just fine on a 915 setup
[00:59] <mylogic> so currently, it's trying to use UXA... I see
[00:59] <MarcN> does update-manager -d just change apt/sources.list from intrepid to jaunty and then dist-upgrade?
[00:59] <histo> well the preffered method now i blieve is to do-release-upgrade -d
[01:00] <Jordan_U> MarcN, No, it does additional checks
[01:00] <major> flash is buggy and jerky
[01:00] <major> any fix
[01:01] <MarcN> Jordan_U: okay.  I';ll try that route.  hoping for a little faster/more stable firefox/flash on my netbook
[01:03] <dust> fuzzytwo: hey
[01:04] <fuzzytwo> ?
[01:04] <dust> fuzzytwo: my rear right speaker is mute when i try that testaudio
[01:04] <dust> probably it's brokern the element 6.1 box
[01:04] <fuzzytwo> read up on alsa speaker arrangement and mapping
[01:05] <dust> fuzzytwo: it's same in windows vista
[01:05] <fuzzytwo> you can use aplay to direct sound at that exact channel
[01:05] <fuzzytwo> if you do that, try to swap the speaker out for another one to see if it's a hardware element
[01:06] <dust> fuzzytwo: that's complicated.
[01:06] <dust> fuzzytwo: LFE to Rear Right would be nice
[01:06] <fuzzytwo> not really
[01:06] <dust> can you help?
[01:06] <fuzzytwo> not really
[01:06] <dust> i need to change LFE to Rear Right
[01:06] <fuzzytwo> i push all my surround out via spdif
[01:06] <dust> fuzzytwo: i dont know what that is?
[01:06] <fuzzytwo> then do all my buggery in my receiver
[01:07] <fuzzytwo> i use a fiber optic link from my sound card to my home theater receiver
[01:07] <dust> fuzzytwo: is it possible to change LFE to use Rear Right
[01:07] <fuzzytwo> i believe so, you have to read up on alsa speaker mapping
[01:07] <dust> fuzzytwo: what is that
[01:07] <fuzzytwo> it's what that asoundrc file is all about
[01:07] <fuzzytwo> google it
[01:07] <dust> hmm
[01:09] <dust> mhmmm
[01:09] <dust> coul dyou help some plz
[01:09] <dust> fuzzytwo:
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> you know
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> i'll trade you
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> you fix my wireless card
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> and i'll fix your speakers
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> :p
[01:09] <dust> heh.
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> oh and by the way, you've only got 20 minutes
[01:09] <fuzzytwo> get to cracking
[01:10] <dust> use gnome heh
[01:10] <fuzzytwo> sorry you lose
[01:10] <dust> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc
[01:10]  * fuzzytwo goes back to work
[01:10] <dust> i found that site
[01:14] <Lasivian> where can I download 9.04?
[01:15]  * Lasivian sighs
[01:15]  * Lasivian noticed the topic a tad late
[01:15] <rm```> ubuntu.com
[01:15] <Lasivian> rm```: yeah, but it's not linked from anything I saw
[01:15] <Lasivian> i'm just tired :P
[01:15] <rm```> there is a huge banner at the top of the page saying DOWNLOAD the release candidate now :P
[01:17] <Pollywog> does sound work in Jaunty or does it not work for me because I did an upgrade and not a clean install?
[01:19] <Pollywog> Nvidia also did not work well for me and almost every upgrade I have done in Ubuntu resulted in Nvidia problems that a clean install fixed
[01:19] <wirechief> Pollywog proprietary drivers are troublesome.
[01:20] <fujimitsu_> sound works
[01:20] <wirechief> Pollywog my sound works though
[01:20] <Pollywog> well is there something that can be done about it?
[01:20] <Pollywog> lk
[01:20] <Pollywog> k thanks
[01:20] <wirechief> Pollywog i had to use alsamixer and set and reset 958 d
[01:20] <Pollywog> then I think the problem is the upgrade, I will copy my files and then do a clean install
[01:21] <Pollywog> did you upgrade?
[01:21] <Pollywog> I upgraded from Intrepid
[01:21] <wirechief> Pollywog why not just use the live until the final comes out ?
[01:21] <Pollywog> too slow
[01:21] <fujimitsu_> i did fresh install , but i have done upgrades and had no sound issues..
[01:21] <fuzzy> use it on a usb stick
[01:22] <Pollywog> that is even slower than the live CD
[01:22]  * wirechief if you can get it to work on a usb stick
[01:22] <fuzzy> it works great for me on a usb stick
[01:22] <Pollywog> I have never been able to get it to work well on a stick
[01:22] <wirechief> fuzzy mine did too until lately
[01:23] <fuzzy> i just did it today
[01:23] <fuzzy> live cd and the install
[01:23] <fujimitsu_> you should just reinstall.. set a small partition for it and test out
[01:23] <fuzzy> made the usb stick in 8.10
[01:23] <hil> use a good usb-stick ;) mine reads 35MB/sec, my old HD's are slower
[01:23] <Pollywog> though I found a way to make a stick using a procedure I found for netbooks and that one works as an installer though it is very slow
[01:23] <wirechief> fuzzy did you download the daily build today and it worked with usb ?
[01:23] <fuzzy> i took
[01:23] <fuzzy> the ubuntu 9.04 i386 cd iso
[01:24] <Pollywog> thanks for the info
[01:24] <fuzzy> i found chilling in another folder, i don't have a dvd burner, and the usb stick is too small for it
[01:24] <g4lv4tr0n> hi just upgraded to jaunty and reinstalled dvb-utils but when i try to scan for channels there is no /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples folder ???
[01:24] <dust> xit
[01:25] <g4lv4tr0n> jaunty ftw!!! :)
[01:26] <g4lv4tr0n> nice to see wine and wow are working again no more access violation
[01:26] <g4lv4tr0n>  
[01:26] <g4lv4tr0n> hi just upgraded to jaunty and reinstalled dvb-utils but when i try to scan for channels there is no /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples folder ???
[01:26] <AaronMT> No need to repeat.
[01:26] <wirechief> fuzzy what version of usb-creator do you have ? mine is 1.0.16 and its not creating a workable usb.
[01:26] <uda> someone mind helping me with nvidia dual monitor? was working great till i set one monitor to 'off' and i havent been able to get it back at all
[01:27] <uda> 2nd monitor doesnt even appear in layout anymore in nvidia x server settings
[01:29] <Lasivian> "Terminated"
[01:29] <Lasivian> hope that's what it's supposed to do
[01:30] <ienorand> Pollywog: usb speed depends on the usb... I run entire jaunty of a 8bg stick... and it's comparable to hd.
[01:30] <g4lv4tr0n>  
[01:30] <g4lv4tr0n>  
[01:30] <g4lv4tr0n> hi just upgraded to jaunty and reinstalled dvb-utils but when i try to scan for channels there is no /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples folder ???
[01:30] <g4lv4tr0n>  
[01:31] <Halow> !flood | g4lv4tr0n
[01:31] <AaronMT> !patience | g4lv4tr0n
[01:31] <g4lv4tr0n> sorry my bad
[01:31] <Lasivian> ok, I was upgrading and it suddenly shutdown with a new shutdown screen (smaller ubuntu logo and letters, then it said "Terminated" and now it's a black screen but the machine is physically on
[01:32] <g4lv4tr0n> has anyone got the /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples folder ?
[01:32] <Lasivian> I have this sinking feeling
[01:33]  * wirechief hands Lasivian a towel
[01:34] <Lasivian> so this is bad I assume?
[01:34] <Halow> uda: Have you restarted X? Checked the cables?
[01:34] <wirechief> Lasivian i dont know, what were you doing ? upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 ?
[01:34] <wafic> hi all
[01:34] <uda> yes and yes
[01:34] <Lasivian> wirechief: yes
[01:34] <ienorand> Lasivian: ctrl+alt+f1... resiub...
[01:35] <wirechief> Lasivian what graphics card do you have ?
[01:35] <Lasivian> ctrl-alt-f1 does nothing
[01:35] <Lasivian> it's an Acer Aspire One notebook
[01:35] <wirechief> Lasivian , Nvidia, Intel, ATI  ?
[01:35] <Lasivian> hrrm, one sec
[01:35]  * ienorand braces, is it an intel?
[01:36] <Halow> uda: Hm. The only trouble I had with my nvidia card and dual screens was when I didn't double check my wires. :)
[01:36] <uda> Halow, ive been trying to fix it for a couple of days now. at point, ive been able to move the mouse off one screen to where the other would be, but with nothing visible on the 2nd monitor, and it still not showing in nvidia settings
[01:36]  * wirechief drum roll  begins....
[01:38] <Lasivian> Intel GMA950
[01:38] <ienorand> Lasivian: What you could try as a last "clean" shutdown attempt is hold down alt+printscreen (or alt+sysrq) then press the keys REISUB, in that order.. with about 2 or more seconds between each keypress
[01:39] <wafic> did any one used winehq
[01:39] <Lasivian> ienorand: while holding those down?
[01:39] <wirechief> Lasivian  well i dunno thats perhaps newer than the intel945 and do the REISUB but was trying to get some more information like is the hd light still blinking ?
[01:40] <Lasivian> drive light isn't running
[01:40] <ienorand> Lasivian: whilst holding alt+sysreq
[01:40] <Lasivian> nothing
[01:41] <wirechief> heres a good howto http://techpatterns.com/forums/about911.html
[01:41] <ienorand> Lasivian: Ok, hard reboot.
[01:41] <Lasivian> booting the 8.10-looking screen
[01:42] <ienorand> wirechief: Hmm, is there a preserence of syncing before or after killing processes?
[01:42] <ienorand> *preference
[01:42] <wirechief> ienorand: it usually just works as indicated in that howto
[01:43] <wirechief> ienorand: i have never had a crashed filesystem when ive used that proceedure
[01:43] <Lasivian> logged in to a blank flesh-colored screen
[01:43] <wirechief> and thanks to intel ive had to use it very frequently
[01:43] <ienorand> wirechief: Yea, but i learned the reisub (raising elephants is so utterly boring :) ) combo, with sync after kill...
[01:44] <Lasivian> nothin works, well poo
[01:45] <ienorand> Lasivian: what point do you get to?
[01:45] <wirechief> Lasivian you can do dpkg --configure -a   then apt-get install -f then apt-get dist-upgrade see what happens
[01:46] <ienorand> Lasivian: go for recovery mode if you have no termianl
[01:46]  * wirechief not very good at fixing things when you cannot see the other end
[01:47] <ienorand> s/termianl/terminal
[01:48] <Lasivian> ienorand: it goes through the 8.10 looking name/password, then I get a flesh screen and nothing responds, restarting gnome
[01:49] <ienorand> Lasivian: Ah, ok, then you should be able to get to terminal using ctrl+alt+f1, and try wirechief's commands
[01:53] <wirechief> ienorand probably needs to get that 8.10 completely up-todate with du then try a upgrade to 9.04 if thats what is desired.
[01:55] <Lasivian> wirechief: running the first command
[01:55] <Lasivian> thanks for the help btw guys :)
[01:55] <Lasivian> thankfully, I made a full backup just before doing this, so if it dies I won't be distraught, heh
[01:56] <Lasivian> i'm tempted just to erase the damn thing
[01:56] <wirechief> Lasivian: well chalk it up to learning ;)
[01:56] <Lasivian> yeah
[01:57] <wirechief> Lasivian and keep a note file with all the commands given for later....
[01:57] <Lasivian> my years of Windows knowledge do me scant little now
[01:57] <wirechief> Lasivian: i left it 2 years ago (hasnt looked back)
[01:57] <Lasivian> i'm working on about 6 months
[01:58] <wirechief> Lasivian: linux was very confusing for at least 2 to 3 months for me but i was determind to learn it.
[01:58] <Lasivian> some habits die hard, like the idea that I can run an old kernel with a new version, that's still odd terrain
[01:58] <Lasivian> and often I know "what" I want to do, but not the command or location of the button in Ubuntu
[01:59] <uda> anyone able to help me with nvidia twinview losing one of my monitors?
[01:59] <Lasivian> that's REALLY frustrating.. finding that happening in Vista and Office 2007 made me finally give it up completely
[01:59] <macman_> hi all .. ever since i updated to jaunty firefox updated to .. now when i go to a flash site it has a play button .. when i click it nothing happens .. any ideas ?
[01:59] <wirechief> Lasivian:  i got a lot of good experience with both sidux and kanotix but Ubuntu has really come a long way for ease of use.
[02:00] <Lasivian> macman_: I know i've been having alot of issues with 3.0.8 myself
[02:00] <macman_> anyway to fix ?
[02:00] <Halow> macman_: Using flash block?
[02:00] <macman_> Halow: what is flash block ?
[02:00] <Lasivian> haven't delved into it, but I get a feeling it's not Jaunty-related
[02:00] <Halow> macman_: That sounds like a no. :)
[02:01] <Halow> macman_: It's an extension that blocks flash from starting automatically (think unwanted ads) unless you allow them.
[02:01] <wirechief> Lasivian: actually kanotix uses all Ubuntu kernels and the scripts make installing Nvidia a breeze
[02:01] <Lasivian> yeah, but if that was the cause he'd click and play
[02:01] <Lasivian> he's clicking and not playing
[02:01] <Lasivian> sounds like the flash install is broken
[02:02] <macman_> Halow: how do i check this to see if it is blocking it or something
[02:02] <Halow> Well, it usually gives a small play button to flash it blocks, so...
[02:02] <Lasivian> macman_: I would try the 3.0.8 release package stright from mozilla on their ftp site
[02:02] <macman_> Lasivian: so apt-get remove firefox and then install the 3.0.8 ?
[02:02] <wirechief> macman_: what is the url for this flash site ?
[02:02] <Lasivian> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.8/linux-i686/en-US/
[02:03] <Halow> macman_: You can check which Firefox extensions you have in Tools>Ad Ons.
[02:03] <Lasivian> macman_: no, you can have both installed
[02:03] <Lasivian> macman_: tho if you want to blow away the existing one go ahead
[02:03] <Halow> The beta for Firefox is also in the repos, as far as I know.
[02:03] <macman_> i have shockware flash 9.0 r999
[02:04] <Lasivian> Halow: the ubuntu 3.0.8 firefox package is goofy, when I went with Mozilla's release directly it ran a hell of alot better and fixed a few quirks :/
[02:04] <Lasivian> nothing to lose by trying it I figure
[02:04] <Halow> macman_: Ah... I'm not using shockwave. I'm using the "flashplugin-nonfree" (adobe) from the repos.
[02:04] <macman_> thats what i thouth i ws using
[02:04] <macman_> let me rm it
[02:05] <Lasivian> Adobe has a flash ubuntu package on their site btw
[02:05] <Lasivian> but I have not toyed with that, I dislike flash :P
[02:05] <macman_> Halow: not working .. how can i get this fixed or can i ?
[02:05] <Halow> I like installing things from the repos. Not having to run around everywhere to get updates is a wonderful thing. :)
[02:06] <Lasivian> Halow: normally I completely agree, but Firefox 3.0.8 PO'd be bigtime
[02:06] <Halow> macman_: Do you have flashplugin-nonfree? Try (without quotes) "dpkg -l flashplayer-nonfree" in terminal.
[02:06] <Halow> It should tell if it's installed or not.
[02:06] <macman_> yes i do .. i will check
[02:06] <gadjo> hello
[02:06] <gadjo> please help me with this issue
[02:06] <gadjo> i'm trying to install 2 packages, which depend each one on the other
[02:06] <gadjo> tmp$ sudo -u root dpkg -i libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb g++-4.0_4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb
[02:06] <gadjo> Selecting previously deselected package libstdc++6-4.0-dev.
[02:06] <gadjo> (Reading database ... 125185 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:06] <gadjo> Unpacking libstdc++6-4.0-dev (from libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb) ...
[02:06] <gadjo> Selecting previously deselected package g++-4.0.
[02:07] <gadjo> Unpacking g++-4.0 (from g++-4.0_4.0.3-1ubuntu5_i386.deb) ...
[02:07] <gadjo> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libstdc++6-4.0-dev:
[02:07] <gadjo>  libstdc++6-4.0-dev depends on libc6-dev (>= 2.3.5-1ubuntu5); however:
[02:07] <gadjo>   Package libc6-dev is not installed.
[02:07] <Halow> Yikes...
[02:07] <gadjo> dpkg: error processing libstdc++6-4.0-dev (--install):
[02:07] <gadjo>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:07] <Halow> !paste |gad
[02:07] <gadjo> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of g++-4.0:
[02:07] <ienorand> !pastebin
[02:07] <gadjo>  g++-4.0 depends on libstdc++6-4.0-dev (= 4.0.3-1ubuntu5); however:
[02:07] <gadjo>   Package libstdc++6-4.0-dev is not configured yet.
[02:07] <gadjo> dpkg: error processing g++-4.0 (--install):
[02:07] <gadjo>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:07] <gadjo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:07] <gadjo>  libstdc++6-4.0-dev
[02:07] <gadjo>  g++-4.0
[02:07] <gadjo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/154405/
[02:08] <macman_> yes i do have it hal
[02:08] <macman_> Halow: *
[02:08]  * Lasivian gets the shovel to move out the spam
[02:08]  * Lasivian gets some hip waders too
[02:08] <Halow> gadjo: When I have more than one .deb to install at a time, it helps to put them together in a folder (with no other debs), and change to that directory and run "sudo dpkg -i *.deb".
[02:09] <Halow> macman_: Hm. Well, maybe shockwave is interfering with it? You can disable the plugin, right?
[02:09] <macman_> yea
[02:09] <macman_> i disabled it Halow and now i get an error when i get to a flash site
[02:10] <Lasivian> wirechief: so what do those three commands you gave me do exactly?
[02:10] <macman_> Halow: im removeing firefox and readding it
[02:10] <Lasivian> hrrm
[02:10] <Halow> macman_: OK. If you're going that route, purging might be best.
[02:10] <Lasivian> macman_: I would try Adobe's flash package first
[02:11] <Strider^> i made some USB sticks from Ubuntu 9.04 RC iso and i get a busybox when i boot them
[02:11] <Lasivian> this feels oddly familiar
[02:11] <macman_> Lasivian: where did you say it was ?
[02:11] <Lasivian> macman_: one sec
[02:11] <wirechief> Halow that doesnt always work well, especially if the depends on one affect the other.
[02:12] <wirechief> Lasivian it should make sure you are completely upto date with 8.10 then you can do the 9.04 upgrade
[02:12] <wirechief> Lasivian lacking that you can have a borked 9.04 right out of the gate
[02:13] <Lasivian> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10_for_Linux_(.deb)
[02:14] <Halow> wirechief: Hm. Well, I'd been told it would handle them in a way to make them handle dependencies as needed. I've not seen it fail, but I know I haven't seen everything.
[02:14] <Lasivian> wirechief: ahh, ok. I know I was on an older kernel, -7
[02:14] <Lasivian> the newer kernels wouldn;t boot correctly
[02:14] <wirechief> Lasivian but myself, I always get the .iso from the daily-build and use it for recovery or whatever if needed (good to have a disk) also the daily build is very close to being a finished final
[02:14] <Lasivian> yeah, my other machine is making a usb install stick as we speak :)
[02:15] <wirechief> Lasivian what relase 9.04 ?
[02:15] <Lasivian> yeah
[02:16] <Lasivian> hrrm, which disc should I snag for installing on a mac mini?
[02:16] <andruk> if I want/need MPX, i can just grab the X server source for jaunty and config it in, right?
[02:16] <wirechief> if you get booted to it i sure would like to know what version of usb-creator  and casper  that you have.. use dpkg -l |grep usb-creator   to find the version
[02:17] <Strider^> damn
[02:17] <Strider^> the RC has a bug, it will not boot from USB
[02:17] <macman_> Lasivian: no good .. didn't work
[02:18] <wirechief> Halow usually you can do that, I have. but just like i tried all the .debs to install the bug fix versions of mesa it didnt work as i thought.
[02:18] <Lasivian> wirechief: oh, i'm using unetbootin on windows
[02:18] <Lasivian> macman_: well poo
[02:18] <Lasivian> teh notebook dumped me to a useless gnome login again
[02:18] <macman_> this isn't good
[02:18] <macman_> i want my flash lol
[02:18] <Strider^> btw why does it take so long to create a USB disk ? it took more than an hour for me
[02:18] <macman_> Lasivian: purging didn't work
[02:18] <Lasivian> macman_: you think YOU got problems, lol
[02:19] <wirechief> Lasivian ok well i tried that too (it dropped me into a initramfs busy box)
[02:19] <macman_> yea .. but i want my flash
[02:19] <macman_> :P
[02:19] <pwnguin> where does the pdf printer store finished jobs?
[02:19] <macman_> pwnguin: where ever you tell it to
[02:19] <Lasivian> Strider^: took about 10 minutes for me
[02:19] <pwnguin> macman_: it didnt ask
[02:19] <macman_> pwnguin: you have to tell it where to save
[02:20] <Halow> I made a USB of xubuntu-alternate just the other day. It took maybe 15 mins, and booted fine.
[02:20] <Lasivian> I think i'll just boot the sucker, I have a backup that was minutes old when I started this :P
[02:20] <ienorand> pwnguin: which one?
[02:20] <macman_> pwnguin: go to file print
[02:20] <pwnguin> ienorand: not entirely sure. whatever firefox finds
[02:20] <Strider^> well it's faster for me to download the iso than create the USB drive
[02:20] <ienorand> pwnguin: normally ~/ or ~/ODF
[02:20] <macman_> click on print to file .. type your name and do you save location and click pdf for the output and click print
[02:20] <ienorand> s/ODF/PDF
[02:21] <Strider^> so i'll rewrite the syslinux directory with the one from the dailyb build instead
[02:21] <pwnguin> macman_: i have 3 options. 1) print to file, 2) deskjet blah blah 3) PDF
[02:22] <ienorand> Strider^: busted usbdisk?
[02:22] <Lasivian> I like the new "KITT" loding screen
[02:22] <pwnguin> macman_: after that i just get a dialog
[02:22] <ienorand> pwnguin: print to file normally dumps in home folder
[02:22] <Strider^> ienorand,  yeah
[02:22] <pwnguin> ienorand: as a .ps =(
[02:23] <Lasivian> I was shocked, I destroyed a usb stick the other day
[02:23] <Lasivian> I unplugged it by accident while I was formatting ntfs, totally screwed it
[02:23] <ienorand> pwnguin: and you can't set that to pdf?
[02:24] <histo> okay I can see a difference with ext4
[02:24] <pwnguin> ienorand: ah. neat. it didnt always have that
[02:24] <histo> unless i'm going crazy
[02:24] <ienorand> pwnguin: thats
[02:25] <Lasivian> ooh, I think i'll just wait and download the netbook remix
[02:25] <Lasivian> wish I had seen that first
[02:25] <Picklesworth> err, is Pidgin normally so unstable? I just hopped back to Empathy but I miss its nice buddy list :(
[02:26] <ienorand> pwnguin: sorry, that's from the cups-pdf package... All works?
[02:27] <pwnguin> ienorand: yep.
[02:27] <pwnguin> still makes me wonder what's wrong with the pdf printer
[02:27] <belred> i have 2 installs of ubuntu 9.04.  in both i didn't change the repository settings.  one includes all deb-src lines uncommented in sources.list.  the other doesn't have any deb-src lines.  in both cases, the synaptic>settings>repositories>ubuntu software wont let me toggle source code on or off.  i don't understand how this happned
[02:28] <_chun> I'm having a problem in jaunty: the new onscreen notifications don't seem to play too well with fullscreen apps (like vlc) -- every notification causes the desktop to flicker on and off, which gets pretty annoying. is there any way to change that behaviour? (pretty new to ubuntu/linux so apologies if I'm slow)
[02:28] <pwnguin> ienorand: actually, cups-pdf isn't installed
[02:30] <badfish69> _chun: turn off visual effects?
[02:30] <belred> how can i toggle the source code option?
[02:31] <Strider^> _chun, you have an nvidia card ?
[02:31] <andruk> you know, if you have to turn off visual effects to get things working, then the things that wont work with visual effects turned on are either closed source, broken, or both...
[02:31] <_chun> Strider^: yep, 8600gt
[02:31] <pwnguin> ienorand: it must have been uninstalled at some point and left the pdf printer settings around
[02:31] <pwnguin> ienorand: thanks for the tips
[02:31] <Lasivian> where are the files stored that determine how your gnome panels are laid out?
[02:31]  * andruk glares at Mathematica
[02:32] <Strider^> i think it's a problem with the current driver in jaunty, hope this will get fixed soon
[02:32] <dereck> hey guys, I chose to enable encrypted home directories. HOw can I safely change my password, makeing sure that it updates my wrapped passphrase?
[02:32] <ienorand> pwnguin: I am not sure, but at least for me I had to install that to get pdf printing...
[02:33] <pwnguin> ienorand: this is a very old ubuntu install. all sorts of random things go off course
[02:36] <belred> wow, i just figured it out... maybe a bug? i switched from the US server to the main server and i was able toggle the source code on/off
[02:44] <gundam_rx78nt1> Have there been any fix for the network manager in jaunty that doesn't permit wireless connections to wpa-eap?
[02:47] <Omen_20> jaunty is going to have native support for PPC right?
[02:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> Have there been any fix for the network manager in jaunty that doesn't permit wireless connections to wpa-eap?
[02:48] <badfish69> i think the release date should be in /topic
[02:53] <cwillu> Lasivian, gconf-editor -> apps -> gnome-panel will show you
[02:54] <Lasivian> cwillu: i'm pulling off a backup unfortunately
[02:58] <Frijolie> hey all
[02:58] <Frijolie> i'm having performance issues with my lappy
[02:59] <Frijolie> things are taking a long time to register---you type something in a terminal and it's 5+ seconds before it's displayed
[02:59] <wirechief> cwillu so far no crashes (only when i tested the script and i posted the freeze_dump.txt )
[03:02] <Frijolie> any ideas?
[03:02] <wirechief> Frijolie what does htop show?
[03:02] <ienorand> wirechief: it's an intel btw :/
[03:03] <Frijolie> hehe, yeah it's Intel
[03:03] <Frijolie> I'm installing htop now
[03:03] <wirechief> well intel has been blacklisted
[03:03] <Frijolie> so I'm lucky to have any type of display at all?
[03:03] <wirechief> intel problems shouldnt be happening now.
[03:03] <drinkycrow> help
[03:03] <drinkycrow> theres a heart in my firefox
[03:04] <Frijolie> my compiz did recently kill on me
[03:04] <wirechief> i have the problem but the blacklisting is keeping me from freezing
[03:04] <ienorand> drinkycrow: Is it all yucky and sticky?
[03:04] <Frijolie> yeah and my computer also has been freezing at random times requiring a power off
[03:04] <ienorand> drinkycrow: :) ... Heart?
[03:04] <badfish69> it's horrible
[03:05] <badfish69> yeah
[03:05] <badfish69> for adding to bookmarks
[03:05] <wirechief> Frijolie well i would disable compiz and see if it stops
[03:05] <Frijolie> i've restored compiz back to working order..
[03:05] <badfish69> what a terrible icon
[03:05] <Frijolie> why was Intel blacklisted again?
[03:05] <ienorand> badfish69: What, is it changed?
[03:06] <wirechief> Firjolie because of freezes
[03:06] <badfish69> the heart icon for adding a bookmark in firefox on jaunty
[03:06] <badfish69> it's awful
[03:06] <badfish69> it makes me feel like less of a man just using it
[03:06] <ienorand> badfish69: That normally is a star?
[03:06] <Frijolie> wirechief, it was working fine in Intrepid
[03:07] <wirechief> have disabled compiz with sudo chmod a-x /usr/bin/compiz  while the
[03:07] <wirechief> freeze was occuring ..
[03:07] <badfish69> idk
[03:07] <badfish69> i don't even see it in intrepid
[03:07] <Frijolie> Is this Jaunty or Intel problem?
[03:07] <wirechief> Frijolie: mesa
[03:07] <wirechief> mesa 7.4
[03:07] <Frijolie> mesa = drivers, right?
[03:08] <wirechief> bug 359051
[03:08] <Frijolie> this supposed to be fixed before final release?
[03:08] <wirechief> Frijolie: yes well there are several packages involved see the bug
[03:09] <wirechief> Frijolie: they are working on it. but in the mean time intel has been blacklisted.
[03:09] <Frijolie> ok, so this would have happened to me if I would have stuck with Intrepid then.
[03:09] <Frijolie> I guess it's just coincidence because I upgraded about the same time ~April 3rd
[03:10] <wirechief> Frijolie: probably not. you had mesa 7.3 or so
[03:10] <wirechief> Frijolie: you can always check your /var/log/dpkg.log   for  mesa and see when and what got installed
[03:11] <ienorand> wirechief: Would the intel driver downgrade help in this case?
[03:11] <wirechief> Frijolie: just  do cat /var/log/dpkg.log |grep mesa
[03:12] <wirechief> ienorand: well that was the first thing they did was have intel users downgrade mesa to 7.3
[03:12] <starcannon> wirechief can you confirm that downgrading mesa to 7.3 solves the freezes?
[03:12] <Venko> Hey, I just turned on my machine to find out that Compiz has stopped working (trying to enable it throws "Desktop effects could not be enabled"). It was working fine until now
[03:12] <wirechief> ienorand:  but newly updated 9.04 intel is being blacklisted
[03:12] <Frijolie> wirechief, 2009-04-05 04:09:56 install libgl1-mesa-glx <none> 7.3-1ubuntu3
[03:12] <wirechief> starcannon: yes. it stopped happening for me
[03:13] <starcannon> wirechief nice thanks for that
[03:13] <wirechief> check out the bug url for details
[03:13] <Frijolie> wirechief, 2009-04-05 04:31:43 upgrade mesa-utils 7.3-1ubuntu3 7.4-0ubuntu1
[03:13] <wirechief> bug 359051
[03:14] <Frijolie> so it was "upgraded" on the 5th
[03:14] <starcannon> wirechief yeah just did, Andres Mujica was even nice enough to link to the mesa  .debs required to downgrade mesa
[03:14] <wirechief> starcannon: yes they are all listed in the bug report ;)
[03:15] <wirechief> there are lots of intel945 users that are affected but the blacklisting helps keep them from freezing, its just the ones that want to use compiz and dont understand why it doesnt work
[03:16] <gundam_rx78nt1> Have there been any fix for the network manager in jaunty that doesn't permit wireless connections to wpa-eap?
[03:16] <Venko> wirechief: I use intel graphics. My Compiz stopped working today - what's the fix you're discussing?
[03:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> I can connect with no problems to a wpa-psk
[03:17] <wirechief> Venko read the bug url
[03:17] <wirechief> https://launchpad.net/bugs/359392
[03:18] <Frijolie> also, I've noticed that the update applet never shows that there's packages available for update
[03:18] <Frijolie> software update orange star lookin' thing never appears
[03:18] <wirechief> Frijolie: yes well there is a solution to that in the upgrade notes for jaunty
[03:18] <Frijolie> but as soon as I check via terminal theres a bunch
[03:19] <Frijolie> when I said "upgrade", I meant I did a fresh install--reformatted my hard drive
[03:19] <wirechief> Frijolie:  i use apt-get  to get my stuff.
[03:19] <Halow> Frijolie: bug #332945
[03:19] <Frijolie> also when I update via terminal and a reboot is required i also don't get that icon in the notification bar
[03:20] <Frijolie> is that related?
[03:20] <clearscreen> Uhm... apparently my ext3 partitions have misteriously turned into ext4 (I assure you: I have not converted or formatted them myself), and at boot grub now complains that ext4 format is not supported
[03:20] <clearscreen> What's going on?! I didnt do anything! :(
[03:20] <Halow> Frijolie: Yeah.
[03:20]  * wirechief well i gotta go , train is here have fun
[03:20] <Frijolie> Halow, alright I'll check out that article Halow
[03:20] <Frijolie> thanks wirechief
[03:21] <Solidus_> wow, holy crap.  tethering my blackjack for use as a modem was instamagic in jaunty!  i could never get it even to work before in previous versions
[03:23] <Frijolie> Solidus_, wish I could say the same for my BlackBerry
[03:23] <Solidus_> it just said basically "phone detected" and asked what phone provider.  i said AT&T and i'm on the internet.
[03:25]  * Skapare is back
[03:25] <Skapare> wirechief: I looked more at that Kanotix stuff.  Looks like they are using 2 filesystems, ISO plus another.  There is some description on how to do it, but it's not complete that I can see.  Mine has a script to do it for you (still needs work to have a better user interface)
[03:26] <Lasivian> well crap... I get "Could not find kernel image: linux"
[03:29] <Venko> I've installed those packages and restarted my session. I still can't get Compiz to work and it was working fine until I turned on my machine today.
[03:30] <Venko> When I try to enable it is says searching for drivers and then says the desktop effects could not be enabled
[03:39]  * Lasivian tries making the usb stick again
[03:42] <badfish69> are there as many themes on the desktop version as on the unr?
[03:43] <badfish69> i really like some of the new ones
[03:50] <cwillu> badfish69, gnome-themes is where they come from afaik
[03:51] <cwillu> badfish69, which isn't installed in ubuntu by default, but it's simple to install
[03:56] <mikegriffin> so i have seen firefox go grey a few times, thinking it was flash causing it i did some troubleshooting. recently i saw mythfrontend do the same thing. is this an ubuntu thing or a gnome thing or what?
[03:57] <Halow> mikegriffin: That's a GNOME thing, as far as I'm aware. They do it when things "stop responding" and if you try to close them it will give you the option to force quit them.
[03:58] <mikegriffin> interesting. probably is still flash related
[03:59] <mikegriffin> it was very similar to the windows you must confirm go grey thing
[03:59] <Halow> I find flash makes it happen to Firefox often. Sometimes Java as well.
[04:00] <mikegriffin> i actually was watching hulu, interestingly enough i thought right click => flash settings => bump cache would help but the settings option was dimmed
[04:00] <mikegriffin> i have yet to retry
[04:01] <cwillu> mikegriffin, it only goes grey if the process hasn't responded to the window manager in 'x' seconds, which generally means it isn't responding to the mouse or keyboard either
[04:01] <mikegriffin> well i mean after i was in charge again
[04:01] <cwillu> oh, in the flash
[04:01] <cwillu> yes, a script has the ability to disable things in that menu
[04:02] <cwillu> I think there's an adobe website address that'll talk to the flash player to allow you to set the defaults
[04:02] <mikegriffin> yea, tried it. only lets you set per site cache settings afaict
[04:03] <mikegriffin> i think i might try removing the .deb that downloads the tgz from adobe.com and install it manually
[04:03] <cwillu> mikegriffin, that won't fix anything
[04:03] <mikegriffin> i had never even seen said deb before actually
[04:03] <mikegriffin> i wasnt sure if it depends on the latest version of flash or a hardcoded one, in other words i was going to try an upgrade
[04:04] <cwillu> mikegriffin, http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[04:05] <cwillu> if the version reported in the box is the same as the version in the table for linux (10.0.22.87), you have the latest version
[04:08] <mikegriffin> while on the topic, are the 'other two' functional/stable?
[04:09] <cwillu> other two?
[04:09] <mikegriffin> when you hit a flash site with no plugin, you are presented with flash-nonfree (adobe) gnash and something else iirc
[04:10] <cwillu> gnash is where wine was 4-5 years ago
[04:10] <cwillu> useful for somethings, glitchy but usable for others, completely broken for most :p
[04:10] <mikegriffin> ouch
[04:10] <cwillu> works for youtube though
[04:11] <mikegriffin> you ever have a problem where the audio just crashes suddenly and you close the browser and then have to issue a kill since the sound doesnt actually stop?
[04:12] <mikegriffin> i have seen it on my workstation and box at home (listening to pandora)
[04:15] <pwnguin> did i miss the ubuntu free culture showcase announcement?
[04:22]  * Milos_SD-aWay is Away, Reason: ( Spavam!!! ) | Since: ( Sunday, April 19, 2009. 21:25:36 ) Xlack v2.1
[04:27] <cwillu> !away > Milos_SD-aWay
[04:31] <mase_work> hey guys, where is the suspend resume script ?
[04:32] <mase_work> nm found it
[04:36] <mikegriffin> thanks cwillu i will ask #gnome my remaining questions
[04:45] <Brandie> I need some help, I'm on a laptop with 20 mins of battery life left. and my main pc is not booting. I keep getting "Aborted because bad gzip magic numbers" And "VFS unable to mount root to FS
[04:47] <cky> Brandie: Sounds like your initramfs is corrupted. You need to boot with your Ubuntu CD, and pick "rescue".
[04:48] <cky> Beyond that, I can't remember the procedure, because I'm more used to fixing the system from the command-line (update-initramfs -u)
[05:05] <duncan_nz> Is it a known problem that paths with links in don't work the same as normal paths?
[05:06] <duncan_nz> Several apps including Rhythm won't work with file at ~/Music which is actuall at /dev/media/sda2/privat/m/music...
[05:10] <[MindVirus]> What's going on with the Intel graphics drivers?
[05:10] <mase_work> they fscked :)
[05:10] <mase_work> they're rather
[05:11] <[MindVirus]> I know.
[05:11] <[MindVirus]> Any progress?
[05:11] <Brandie> Can somone help me fix my problem with ubuntu not booting please?...
[05:11] <shiznebit> so all the hype about UXA was pointless ?
[05:11] <Brandie> "bad gzip magic number error?"
[05:12] <Brandie> I'm on the Live cd at the moment. But I dunno what to do now...
[05:12] <vigo> Brandie: fix or repair grub or update grub. I would have to look,
[05:12] <Brandie> Yea, I figured It was to do with grub
[05:12] <Brandie> but How do I do that? ._.
[05:13] <vigo> Brandie: looking now, could be a bad loader, i.e. bad download or broken one, still looking
[05:14] <Brandie> well it was working, but I uh... download this thing to customize grub from the add/remove
[05:14] <Brandie> and now grub doesnt work! =D
[05:15] <alex_mayorga1> Brandie: supergrub
[05:15] <Brandie> hmm?
[05:15] <vigo> Brandie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351&highlight=fix+grub
[05:16] <Brandie> follow that guide?
[05:17] <Brandie> okay
[05:17] <Brandie> hope this worked...
[05:21] <vigo> Brandie: That might be the fix that you are looking for, I just tapped the forums and saw that.
[05:21] <tywashere> Thank you SOO MUCH
[05:21] <tywashere> It worked. Thank you.....!
[05:21] <tywashere> I love you guys <3 I don't know what I would do without you...
[05:22] <vigo> Buy us cookies
[05:22] <Level1> hi, when I run the ubiquity installer, it stops between the keyboard layout screen and the partition manager screen
[05:22] <tywashere> how long have you tried waiting?
[05:22] <Skapare> mmmm ... chocolate chip cookies
[05:22] <tywashere> It takes a LOT of time to load... haha
[05:22] <Level1> tywashere: maybe a minute.  But the progress bar disappears
[05:23] <tywashere> okay
[05:23] <Level1> I'll try waiting longer
[05:23] <tywashere> try just leaving it for a while
[05:23] <tywashere> I have to wait upwords of 5 minutes for it to load
[05:23] <tywashere> and I'm on a quad core ;)
[05:24] <tywashere> okay, heres one for you guys, My volume controller. Resets when I restart
[05:24] <Level1> well, its nothing to do with processor speed and everything to do with the way the linux kernel interacts with the disks.  So if your disks are complicated, you can have the fastest processor in the world, it won't matter
[05:24] <tywashere> the "Mixer tracks" IVe got
[05:24] <tywashere> Well, Cd's arent exactly the fastest media to read from =P
[05:24] <Skapare> cpu speed is generally not going to make it faster ... installers get slow when there is more stuff to check, like drivers for devices and things
[05:25] <tywashere> fair enough
[05:25] <Skapare> a DVD could do faster than CD ... high end SD cards and USB keys can be even faster (not the cheap ones)
[05:25] <tywashere> can you boot a uh "Live cd" from a usb disc :P?
[05:25] <tywashere> If you catch mah drift...
[05:25] <Skapare> you can burn your CD-size ISO on DVD if you want (and have a burner for)
[05:26] <Skapare> only if the image is made for usb (hard drive) booting
[05:26] <tywashere> You know what i mean =D
[05:26] <Skapare> usb cd/dvd drive will work with ISO ... can your BIOS boot from USB cd/dvd ... some can't
[05:26] <tywashere> so, To my previos question. Why does my volume wheel reset what it controlls all the time?
[05:27] <Skapare> you mean USB flash key, SD memory card (usually attached via USB), or a USB external hard drive ... those cannot be boot from if written with an ordinary ISO image and no special software
[05:27] <tywashere> It might have to do with the fact I have 3 sound cards ;)
[05:28] <vigo> tywashere: Uhm, yes, it could
[05:28] <Level1> Partman failed with exit code 141. Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken.
[05:28] <tywashere> click yes
[05:28] <Skapare> there are ways to make a bootable USB hard drive or key ... unetbootin is one ... and I have a program I wrote today that turns an ISO into an ISO that can be boot up from a hard drive
[05:28] <tywashere> YES
[05:28] <Level1> I have some ntfs disks that are in a very broken state
[05:28] <Level1> I thought partman would just ignore them
[05:28] <tywashere> Reformat them?
[05:28] <felixsulla> Is this new version of Ubuntu coming out soon going to be packaged by default with Open Office 3 adn Firefox 3?
[05:29] <Level1> Well, I'd like to at least try to recover the data on them, just not right now
[05:29] <tywashere> I know they are available as updates.
[05:29] <Skapare> felixsulla: try the beta and see
[05:29] <Skapare> or is that rc now
[05:29] <tywashere> They arent in the beta
[05:30] <tywashere> they are released as updates as far as I know...
[05:30]  * Skapare considers beta == rc ... but knows others treat them different somehow
[05:30] <felixsulla> Bah.
[05:30] <shiznebit> oh wow, we are at RC
[05:30] <rlaager> felixsulla: Jaunty has OpenOffice 3 and Firefox 3, yes.
[05:31] <tywashere> but vigo I use my SB audigy for sound, and line-in input... and my onboard for microphone and recording. But the third one is the one on my ATI hd4850...
[05:31] <felixsulla> rlaager: You mean to say someone on IRC was pulling my leg..
[05:32] <vigo> tywashere: I disabled my Onboard Intel thing and just went with an ATI/Radeon, much less confusion on the system.
[05:33] <tywashere> How am I suposed to even use the sound on my ati card ffs? D=
[05:33] <vigo> You have a PCI card?
[05:33] <tywashere> YEa
[05:34] <tywashere> SB audigy.
[05:34] <tywashere> But my sb audigy, It's mic port doesnt work in ubuntu!
[05:34] <vigo> That should be enough or more to run just about anything.
[05:34] <tywashere> so I use the azalia one... wich is louder
[05:35] <tywashere> pluss I need t ohave my ps3 and 360 ont he line-in soI can hear them through my favorite headphones.
[05:35] <vigo> I run my Sound Out to a home Receiver/AMP, have done that since win9x
[05:36] <tywashere> haha
[05:36] <tywashere> it all works man, It's just that On start-up it switches my sound cards around xD!
[05:37] <vigo> Actually takes a lot of load off the CPU and other stuff. plus I can Rock the Casbah! block party style.
[05:39] <uda> anyone able to help me with nvidia twinview losing one of my monitors?
[05:40] <DanaG> hah: http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6655&libid=1&p=8
[05:41] <DanaG> My laptops have all had PCI-based sd card readers, not USB-based.
[05:48] <Moc> Freaking VLC is annoying in 9.010
[05:50] <xangua> Moc: what is annoying of VLC ¿
[05:52] <Level1> why doesn't ubuntu make it easy to mount ntfs without jumping through hoops?
[05:52] <Level1> I thought this was fixed a long time ago
[06:01] <mase_work> Level1: what do you mean jumping through hoops ?
[06:02] <Level1> well, when I click on the disk in dolphin, I get a little pink error massage to the effect of, there was some problem mounting the disk.  I tihnk it has something to do with root permissions.  The disks mount without hassle from the command line; why can't dolphin do it?
[06:06] <cb_> Hello, I just downloaded ubuntu9.04 i run 8.04 and i wanna do a clean install. When i boot up the ubuntu9.04 and try to install with no acpi and other options off and get a blank screen once i actualy hit the INstall button? Any ideas? Toshiba sat a70
[06:08] <cb_> Hello, I just downloaded ubuntu9.04 i run 8.04 and i wanna do a clean install. When i boot up the ubuntu9.04 and try to install with no acpi and other options off and get a blank screen once i actualy hit the INstall button? Any ideas? Toshiba sat a70
[06:09] <cb_> Hello, I just downloaded ubuntu9.04 i run 8.04 and i wanna do a clean install. When i boot up the ubuntu9.04 and try to install with no acpi and other options off and get a blank screen once i actualy hit the INstall button? Any ideas? Toshiba sat a70
[06:10] <daftykins> don't keep repeating.
[06:10] <Skapare> we can hear you, please don't repeat ... at least not so often
[06:10] <mase_work> if people can help they will
[06:10] <cb_> :>
[06:26] <paul68> I have a question concerning the creative labs XF1 sound cards is there a better support in the new release for this type of card or is it still the same as in 8.10?
[06:26] <Arodon> hey, I'm having problems with fairly regular soft-lockups on Jaunty, but don't know what's causing it (just a vague suspicion that it might be my Intel graphics). Where should I be looking to try to pinpoint the problem, or at least the subsystem at fault? and/or what should I file the bug under if I can't find any clues?
[06:27] <mase_work> Arodon: are you using UXA ?
[06:29] <Arodon> mase_work: no, it's EXA. I'm running without an xorg.conf
[06:29] <mase_work> k
[06:30] <nowannemo> hey guys... have had jaunty installed for a while already, wondering if you guys had any optimal .fonts.conf settings for lcd... seeing lots of stuff online, but i dont know how outdated they might be
[06:39] <macvr> hi all ... i had a few crashes... my x keeps restarting where do i check for the roors?
[06:41] <macvr> errors?
[07:01] <dotblank> can I upgrade 8.10 right now to 9.04?
[07:05] <ninadsp> dotblank: yes... please check out the download page on ubuntu.com for instruction on how to upgrade...
[07:06] <ninadsp> dotblank: don't forget to read the entire page... especially if you have conflicting hardware... :)
[07:06] <dotblank> well I just did update-manager -d
[07:06] <dotblank> and it looks like it says it will take 20 mins
[07:07] <ninadsp> dotblank: yes that is all that you need to do... hmmm.. that will be just updating the file lists...
[07:07] <dotblank> I get 1.5mb/s down from my mirror
[07:07] <ninadsp> once the file list is downloaded, all the packages will be downloaded.. after which it spends upto 2 hours to install/upgrade/remove packages...
[07:07] <ninadsp> depending on your h/w ofcourse.. :)
[07:08] <dotblank> :(
[07:08] <dotblank> actually its going at 1.7 now
[07:08] <ninadsp> dotblank: lucky you.. i got speeds of anything between a few bytes per second to 50 kbps...
[07:08] <ninadsp> :(
[07:08] <dotblank> I love fiber
[07:09] <ninadsp> dotblank: i too get fiber.. but thats only the lan... i am on a shared network at a college... :)
[07:09] <dotblank> ninadsp: Have you tried selecting best mirror?
[07:09] <dotblank> ouch
[07:09] <ninadsp> dotblank: i used the closest one.. which i always use for other updates as well...
[07:09] <dotblank> you should get your college to have a mirror
[07:09] <ninadsp> but that isnt the bottleneck.. :)
[07:10] <ninadsp> dotblank: we do have a cacher at our college... but that has the packages for 8.10... not 9.04.. i am the guy who experiments most with ubuntu on our campus.. :)
[07:10] <ninadsp> so i normally am the first guy to play with the newer versions..
[07:10] <dotblank> when will you cache 9.04? release day?
[07:11] <ninadsp> later i guess... the iso will be downloaded in a day or so after the release...
[07:11] <dotblank> cause on release day all mirrors are going to get hit hard
[07:11] <ninadsp> but packages will take time...
[07:11] <ninadsp> yeah... they always do.. though i am not sure if our cacher is available to anyone outside our subnet...
[07:12] <ninadsp> a very silly configuration... to be honest...
[07:12] <dotblank> im going to have to run a cacher cause of my 20+ ubuntu VMs
[07:12] <cajun> I'm up-to-date. At the beginning of last week, I had a kernel error that kept my laptop from recovering from standby. After that, no drives will mount except for root.  Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this?
[07:13] <ninadsp> dotblank: hmm... or u could just copy the entire /var/cache/apt/archives.. :)
[07:13] <ninadsp> cajun: i beleive u must have done a fsck on all the partitions?
[07:13] <dotblank> its in vms, doing that manually would take for ever
[07:14] <ninadsp> dotblank: never used vm's too much.. u'd know better.. :)
[07:14] <dotblank> wow 50% done
[07:14] <cajun> nina: no I haven't. can I do that while I'm logged in and running other apps? or is that the system check after so many root mounts?
[07:15] <ninadsp> cajun: a fsck has to be performed when the drive is unmounted.. so if ur home is on the root partition, you could give it a try...
[07:15] <cajun> it worked fine prior to that error.
[07:15] <cajun> just run fsck?
[07:15] <ninadsp> cajun: unless absolutely necessary, i'd recommend a reboot and use teh recvery mode to fsck
[07:15] <dotblank> I really fsck my drive while mounted... bad move
[07:15] <SJr> The SHIFT key is being ignored in all qt based applications, any ideas
[07:15] <cajun> ok
[07:15] <ninadsp> cajun: pls check the man page for fsck for more info... :)
[07:15] <cajun> ok thanks
[07:16] <ninadsp> dotblank: how did u do that? afaik, fsck gives an error and exits when asked to check a mounted drive
[07:16] <SJr> weird unplugging my keyboard and replugging it in fixed it
[07:17] <dotblank> ninadsp: I was dump and on gentoo and i did a force
[07:17] <dotblank> dumb*
[07:17] <dotblank> ninadsp: Soo much time lost spent configuring gentoo
[07:18] <ninadsp> dotblank: never been down that path.. been happy with ubuntu for almost 2 yrs... tried fedora once... but came back to ubuntu... :)
[07:18] <binvij> hi-I am getting the error "desktop effects could not be enabled" in ubuntu 9.04. Initially the desktop affects worked, i did some patching yesterday and this seems to break it
[07:20] <ninadsp> dotblank: gtg.. c ya l8r! :)
[07:20] <dotblank> hmm
[07:20] <dotblank> can you paste glxinfo?
[07:21] <binvij> its a huge output
[07:22] <hifi> binvij: pastebin
[07:22] <Z3ro3X> I upgraded to 9.04 and converted / and /home from ext3 to ext4.  Everything went with out any problems.  Now how do I defrag my data so that every thing is completely up to date?
[07:22] <dotblank> do glxinfo > textfile.txt
[07:22] <hifi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[07:22] <dotblank> then open the text file
[07:24] <binvij> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d705a6a47
[07:25] <dotblank> the best method is this "glxinfo > /tmp/glx.txt && gedit /tmp/glx.txt&"
[07:25] <dotblank> I hate sgi...
[07:26] <binvij> you should be able to download the txt file with glxinfo from the above link
[07:26] <dotblank> just did
[07:27] <dotblank> binvij: can you do lspci | grep VGA
[07:27] <binvij> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[07:28] <binvij> this was working initially
[07:28] <dotblank> I don't think you have the intel drivers installed
[07:28] <binvij> ohh
[07:28] <dotblank> or you are not using them
[07:28] <binvij> how to go about it ?
[07:28] <dotblank> well you should be able to click hardare drivers and activate i
[07:28] <dotblank> it
[07:29] <binvij> its not in the list
[07:29] <dotblank> hmm
[07:39] <vart_> it seems to me I read something about disabling GM965 drivers due to some bug causing crash - you need to look for the bug desription and probably wait for the fix...
[07:40] <binvij> this has been reported before http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130135
[07:41] <cb_> Hello i am installing Ubuntu9.04 currently have 8.04 dual booting with windowsxp, I dont want xp anymore so i wanna do a clean install of 9.04, I have both DVD's but once i get to step 3 on both of configuring the keyboard layout and hit ok, It says it loading partion manager and never does anything else. Has anyone seen this problem?
[07:41] <Noq> Request: I need somenoe that caan help me for a sec with a part of installing the Ubuntu NetBook Remix.
[07:43] <AK_Dave> cb: that could be a bad dvd.
[07:44] <AK_Dave> Noq: 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-netbook-remix' usually does the trick.
[07:44] <cb_> AK_Dave 2 bad dvd's?
[07:44] <cb_> i have the alternite also
[07:45] <AK_Dave> cb: you burned them yourself?
[07:45] <Noq> AK_Dave: I'm on XP
[07:45] <cb_> AK_Dave yes
[07:45] <cb_> httpdss://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-916637.html
[07:45] <vart_> cb_: maybe you should try to run gparted before install and repartition your drive outside it?
[07:45] <AK_Dave> cb: Then yes, you could have as many bad dvds as you mis-burned.
[07:46] <cb_> AK_Dave i dont tend to have bad burns
[07:46] <cb_> my lacie roxs
[07:46] <cb_> passed disk test fyu
[07:46] <AK_Dave> cb: but vart is right, use gparted to set up your partitions and THEN run the installer. I prefer gparted livecd for this.
[07:46] <Noq> AK_Dave: I'm stuck at using the program Flaashnul to write the .img to my usb. So Ican use that usb to install ubuntu 9.04 on this netbook.
[07:46] <AK_Dave> cb: slowest possible burn speed?
[07:46] <cb_> safest yes
[07:47] <AK_Dave> cb: Thats not what I said. I didn't say "safest" I said "slowest". What did you use to burn them?
[07:47] <cb_> ok i guess i could remove my os and hope it works
[07:47] <cb_> 4x
[07:47] <AK_Dave> Noq: I don't do Windows support.
[07:47] <cb_> someone had this problem in 8.10
[07:47] <cb_> httpdss://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-916637.html
[07:47] <AK_Dave> Noq: I really just don't know how to write a .img using Windows.
[07:48] <httpdss> hehe got you! cb_ ;) ...
[07:48] <Noq> Hopefully this question can be related to this #: If Igot 8.04 installed, can I already use the update manager to go to RC 9.04? Or do I need to wait till thursday?
[07:49] <AK_Dave> cb: I have had my best luck with linux installs by booting a gparted or knoppix CD, doing all my partition management ahead of time, and then rebooting with the ubuntu installer.
[07:49] <AK_Dave> Noq: You should go through Intrepid first.
[07:49] <cb_> AK_Dave i want to use the encryption option in 9.04
[07:49] <cb_> dont really wanna partion twice
[07:49] <AK_Dave> Noq: You should do ALL of the available Hardy updates, do 'update-manager -d' to get to Intrepid. Do all the upgrades there. Repeat, and you should (with some luck) be at Jaunty.
[07:50] <AK_Dave> cb: The encrypted /home has nothing to do with partitioning. It encrypts folders, not partitions, even if your /home is a seperate partition.
[07:50] <SandGorgon> Noq: i suggest you do a clean install - ubuntu aint arch
[07:50] <cb_> AK_Dave i want FULL DISK encryption
[07:50] <cb_> not just home
[07:51] <AK_Dave> cb: Again, that has nothing to do with partitioning.
[07:51] <cb_> really?
[07:51] <cb_> cause i think it does
[07:51] <AK_Dave> cb: really.
[07:51] <Noq> AK_Dave: You mean by inteprid, 8.10?
[07:52] <vart_> Noq: you could try http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ - i used it on linux susesfully, it has a version for win
[07:52] <cb_> you telling me dm-crypt doesnt encrypt a partion sir?
[07:52] <AK_Dave> cb: You establish all of  your partitions. Think of them as big warehouses. Now you want ext4 or xfs or reiserfs. Thats like painting the warehouse. gparted builds your walls, and does some basic interior work, but encryption is the interior build-out.
[07:52] <Noq> vart_ I was just about to ask. But I like to have someone that has already done this.
[07:52] <AK_Dave> cb: I'm telling you dm-crypt doesn't partition your drive!!
[07:52] <cb_> aware
[07:53] <AK_Dave> Noq: Intrepid is 8.10, yes.
[07:53] <AK_Dave> cb: If dm-crypt doesn't partition your drive, then it has NOTHING to do with partitioning.
[07:53] <AK_Dave> cb: Why do you think you need full disc encryption?
[07:54] <cb_> AK_Dave :>
[07:55] <cb_> without full disk encryption someone can mount and alter /boot
[07:55] <AK_Dave> cb: You can't encrypt /boot
[07:55] <AK_Dave> cb: try again.
[07:55] <cb_> err srry your right
[07:55] <AK_Dave> cb: I think you should do a lot more homework before you encrypt anything.
[07:56] <cb_> windows was fully encrypted heh
[07:56] <Noq> Anyone got a approx. time how long it will take to update to 9.04? (from 8.10)
[07:56] <topyli> i have no idea why i should encrypt a system. data, sure
[07:56] <AK_Dave> cb: Do you want to hide your warez from the cops? Gee, won't they figure out something is up when your 500gb drive has a 100mb partition on it and claims everything else is empty?
[07:56] <vart_> Noq: depends on you bwd if you download packages from inet
[07:57] <AK_Dave> Noq: Right now, with no mirrors to speak of, and huge demand, you're probably talking "hours".
[07:57] <cb_> AK_DAVE you cant tell free space from encrypted data as everything is over written
[07:57] <cb_> try again
[07:57] <AK_Dave> cb: HAH! I pull your drive, I read the label, I google it, and its supposed to be a 500gb drive. You lose!
[07:58] <AK_Dave> cb: Then I look at the partition table that I can see, and all I see is a 100mb /boot partition. I say "linux" and "encrypted". Not rocket science.
[07:58] <cb_> they cant force you to hand over your encryption keys
[07:58] <cb_> sir
[07:58] <cb_> read yro
[07:58] <AK_Dave> cb: You don't know your legal rights.
[07:59] <cb_> sir your mis informed
[07:59] <AK_Dave> cb: Nope.
[07:59] <AK_Dave> cb: Well informed.
[07:59] <cb_> so you know canadian law eh?
[07:59] <cb_> dick
[08:00] <AK_Dave> cb: Cross the border. Once. Please.
[08:00] <cb_> with an encrypted laptop? sure
[08:00] <topyli> maybe you should move this to pm or #ubuntu-offtopic. i don't think this is a jaunty problem or any sort of ubuntu problem
[08:00] <cb_> might mail my drives
[08:00] <AK_Dave> cb: They'd love to have your encrypted laptop at the border, pal. Its been done. You'd lose.
[08:00] <cb_> cracking AES?
[08:01] <cb_> good luck sir
[08:01] <AK_Dave> cb: irrelevant
[08:01] <cb_> dumping your memory maybe
[08:01] <AK_Dave> cb: border cops don't need to crack it. They just assume the worst of you. Its happened before.
[08:03] <fakeer> removed NM, installed WICD. none worked and now can't install anything neither NM nor WICD. I'm stuck without internet in Jaunty. Any way to reinstall NM with Beta or RC LiveCD . (can't connect to internet at all )
[08:03] <AK_Dave> cb: bottom line is this, since you don't seem to understand. Jaunty's encryption on install is an encrypted /home IF you enable it. But it isn't enabled by default. It isn't full disc. You can get full disc with extra effort and the alternate disc, but full disc isn't 100% of the disc and law enforcement doesn't need to crack your encryption to put you away.
[08:04] <topyli> fakeer: no ethernet?
[08:04] <cb_> AK_Dave i have the full disc howto infront of me
[08:05] <vart_> fakeer: have you tried to add cd as a repository?
[08:05] <AK_Dave> cb: Good. Then go for it.
[08:05] <Noq> Anyone can help me with writing the .img file to an usb? (I'm using Windows)
[08:05] <cb_> AK_Dave : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9834495-38.html
[08:05] <cb_> first hit in google
[08:06] <AK_Dave> cb: Thats an ancient article, its an opinion, and it is not supported by US case law. In other words, the author is wrong. Dead wrong. Anyone who follows either Wired or Slashdot could tell you.
[08:07] <cb_> i read both
[08:07] <lanoxx> is there anyone here who bothers about bug #332945
[08:07] <cb_> daily
[08:07] <AK_Dave> cb: Bottom line: that higher courts have ruled the opposite.
[08:07] <cb_> i dont think so i canada
[08:07] <lanoxx> both?
[08:07] <vart_> Noq: have you tried Unetbootin?
[08:07] <AK_Dave> cb: cross the border, put it to the test.
[08:07] <cb_> i dont think so i canada
[08:08] <Noq> No, I told before that I don't want to take the risk with installing, I don't want a corrupt .img file.
[08:08] <cb_> do i need bold or something?
[08:09] <kole> best idea? just blow up the computer... then they wont find anything :)
[08:09] <cb_> httpdss://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/07/judge-rules-defendan.html : last year
[08:10] <AK_Dave> cb: Please have fun. You have all the instruction you need to knock yourself out.
[08:11] <cb_> startlmhosts: Can't open lmhosts file /etc/samba/lmhosts. Error was No such file or directory
[08:11] <cb_> might be a issue there
[08:12] <vart_> Noq: it is just flash usb, if you fail to write it - just reformat and try again. I do not see your point
[08:12] <Noq> vart_: What if it completes writing and I'm going to install it. What  if it gets stuck there?
[08:13] <fakeer> topyli: vart_: No ethernet. Actually there's no network manager so nothing connects. Though I've only wi-fi available.    Tried CD as repository gives same error "File not found: you tried to install a file that does not(or no longer) exist"
[08:13] <cb_> AK_Dave : even if i partion everything Ubuntu install will still freeze at the same point?
[08:13] <cb_> i dont see why it wouldnt
[08:14] <cb_> its just failing to fully load partion manager
[08:14] <vart_> Noq: if you afraid that the image is written with errors - use the current installation to fdisk it before booting from it...
[08:15] <vart_> have you updated list of packeges after you added the cd as repository?
[08:16] <DASPRiD> hi there, where to find documentation about how to integrate a program with the new indicator-applet?
[08:16] <vart_> fakeer: you can try to  boot from liveCD and download packege to the disk fo later use...
[08:16] <fakeer> vart_: yes, however gives downloading error that i think is for universe and other online repositories
[08:17] <Noq> vart_: I havent done anything yet, I have the .img file on my main pc. I don't know what fdisk is. Sorry.
[08:17] <fakeer> vart_: you mean dowloading .deb packages for NM and related packages.. I tried but same error I get even then
[08:17] <vart_> fakeer - it could be due to version - try to uncheck online repositories
[08:18] <fakeer> vart_: hey i am offline so the online repo download error's are fine i guess... how shall they reload themeselves... adn packages in CD are added... but the error that comes is the same which came when i tried externally downloaded .deb packages from my windows partition
[08:20] <lanoxx> its really strange how many people complain about bug #332945 and still there doesnt seem to be any attempt to fix this :(
[08:20] <vart_> Noq: if you afraid to install due to incorrect livecd - I'd do the following, create cd, boot from it, try to work from it some time... you could even copy all contents of the cd to temp drive to check that all files are readable before you actually start the install
[08:23] <vart_> fakeer: I really do not have other idea exect to figure out the exact version of the package on the cd and request this version instead of the latest. because the latest version will be looked for in the online i think and it could fail
[08:31] <fakeer> vart_: you have any idea whether i can update my ubuntu partition using LiveCD
[08:31] <fakeer> ?
[08:36] <J-_> Does the Wacom Bamboo Fun tablet work in Jaunty via hotplug? Or, do I need to configure it like I had to in 8.04?
[08:39] <ninadsp> fakeer: you'll need to use the alternate cd to upgrade.. a live cd cant do that
[08:44] <fakeer> ninadsp: alternate CD?
[08:44] <fakeer> shall it install the missing NM on my system??
[08:45] <Noq> What's the easiest way to md5sum check the .img file?
[08:47] <ninadsp> fakeer: hey... sorry.. hadn't read every thing you said... have you tried using ifconfig to set up your network?
[08:47] <fakeer> ninadsp: I just added Alternate RC CD in download.. what to do after I have burned the Alt CD.. or can i do it without using a physical CD..??
[08:48] <ninadsp> fakeer: i mounted the alternate cd to /cdrom, cd'ed to the directory, and then did a 'sudo ./cdromupgrade'
[08:48] <fakeer> ninadsp: didn't try and i don't have much knowledge of cmds...though always ready to learn.. :0
[08:48] <ninadsp> that took care of it all.. didnt need to burn the alternate.. :)
[08:48] <ninadsp> fakeer: i've had lots of trouble with NM... so i use ifconfig if i have a problem... check out the man page.. man ifconfig...
[08:49] <Noq> Who was refering me to unetbootin to write the .img file again? pm me for a sec.
[08:49] <ninadsp> fakeer: or you could do a simpler thing... sudo ifdown eth0 and then sudo ifup eth0
[08:50] <fakeer> ninadsp: right now i am in windows (as no net in Jaunty) so will check it there....and i will not my wi-fi settting from here in win
[08:50] <fakeer> ninadsp:  but as i see..there's no NM ..so I hope no driver for my Intel 4965..so how can i connect to internet using ifconfig or the last command u mentioned????
[08:51] <ninadsp> fakeer: sure.. if you want to set up your wifi, you might need to modify the command as ifup ath0 or wifi0... or you can always do a 'sudo ifdown -a' and 'sudo ifup -a'
[08:52] <ninadsp> fakeer: NM manages network connections... ifconfig does the same... manages your interfaces... so once ur wifi/ethernet is up, u can go about setting ur proxy and connecting.. :)
[08:52] <ninadsp> fakeer: do check the man pages... for ifconfig, ifup and ifdown... they are the same family of cmds..
[08:53] <ectospasm> If I download Jaunty now... is there any difference between that and what's supposed to be released this week?
[08:53] <ectospasm> ...full release, I mean.
[08:53] <ectospasm> official, yada yada yada
[08:53] <ninadsp> ectospasm: yes there will be.. but you can always update to the latest packages...
[08:53] <ectospasm> so it's just a simple "aptitude update && aptitude -y full-upgrade"?
[08:54] <Jordan_U> ectospasm, Yes, there are a few bugs that will be fixed before release that are noted in the RC release notes
[08:54] <ninadsp> ectospasm: after installing the RC i mean.. yes
[08:55] <fakeer> ninadsp: sure..thanks..but i will try first alternate CD upgrade method..using cmds mentioned by u.... 1st cd to the mounted cdrom and then sudo ./cdromupgrade .. ok??
[08:56] <ectospasm> thanks for the info guys
[08:56] <ninadsp> fakeer: yes... to mount the cd you'll need 'sudo mount -t iso9660 /path/to/iso /cdrom'
[09:01] <fakeer> ninadsp: ok
[09:01] <fakeer> ninadsp: what if NM still doesn't installs?? though i hope it should..
[09:03] <ninadsp> fakeer: it will... it is a part of the default applications.. it's required by ubuntu-desktop afaik
[09:04] <Noq> I used unetbootin to write the .img file to my usb. I used the option 'Daily_Live', cause there wasn't a 9.04 option of course. Is the usb written correctly?
[09:06] <shaga> why didnt you just download the .img file? and afaik flashnul is for .imgs, unetbootin for .isos
[09:06] <Noq> I didn't understand flashnul. I type in 'flashnul =p' hit enter, and the program shuts down
[09:07] <shaga> oh it's you Noqq
[09:07] <Noq> Ye.. still. (
[09:07] <shaga> it should shut down with that :)
[09:07] <Noq> http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1373/usbk.jpg  these files are on my usb after writing with unetbootin
[09:08] <shaga> does you flashnul work any similiar way? http://pastebin.com/d5dd8fa11
[09:08] <shaga> that's how it should
[09:08] <cwillu_clone> I just noticed a new annoyance (or at least figured out what it was):  every reboot, my "Front" channel gets reset to 50%.  I don't have a volume control bound to that channel though
[09:08] <Noq> shaga: no, not at all
[09:09] <Noq> shaga: I start flashnul.exe, enter flashnul -p to check drives, press enter, and nothing happens, it shuts down.
[09:09] <shaga> hmm. seems like you have something in your flashnul, where did you take it?
[09:09] <Noq> from the main site, it was russian though, translated it with google
[09:11] <shaga> oh, sounds right
[09:11] <shaga> btw, this is how my netbook remix looks like http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/433548/netbook_remix.jpg
[09:11] <shaga> dont mind the XP, on my gaming pc currently
[09:11] <Noq> way different yes
[09:12] <shaga> ubuntu-9.04-rc-netbook-remix-i386.img used that one
[09:12] <Noq> yep
[09:12] <Noq> but i used unetbootin to write it to my usb, so i shouldn't do that. I need to use flashnul.
[09:13] <shaga> hmm.. now I think I know some idea
[09:13] <shaga> did you start up your cmd prompt as a administrator?
[09:13] <shaga> not sure if flashnul works on a regular user on vista machines
[09:13] <shaga> that looks xp tho
[09:13] <Noq> I'm XP, and I think I'm admnistrator, cause theres only 1 account om my comp.
[09:14] <shaga> ok, it's not the problem then
[09:14] <Noq> For the record shaga, I use my main pc (xp, 1 user) to download and write the usb, later on i use it to install it on this neetbook.
[09:14] <Noq> lemme get a screenshoot from how flashnul looks.
[09:14] <shaga> yeah, same situtiation here yesterday
[09:15] <shaga> ok
[09:15] <shaga> one idea came to my mind if you are on a fast network connection. download regular .iso, put it on cd and boot up the live
[09:15] <shaga> then you can use linux command 'dd'
[09:17] <AK_Dave> Noq: Ubuntu MobileTeam has some good how-to on making a bootable USB for UNR.
[09:17] <AK_Dave> Noq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting
[09:17] <Noq> AK_Dave: If I'm correct, that is the Flashnul method
[09:17] <AK_Dave> Noq: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[09:18] <Noq> AK_Dave: Sorry i was wrong, this is the linux way, i'm on windows
[09:18] <AK_Dave> Noq: If neither approach works for you, then I don't know what to suggest.
[09:18] <Noq> http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2708/flashnul.jpg
[09:18] <Noq> thats how my flashnul looks
[09:19] <AK_Dave> Noq: Unetbootin uses Windows. If that doesn't work, redownload the iso.
[09:19] <shaga> did you use flashnul - p
[09:19] <shaga> or flashnul -p
[09:19] <Noq> ye, read the last line of the cmd, i used flashnul -p
[09:19] <shaga> you typed flashnul - p on it :)
[09:20] <Noq> ow, i always do flashnul -p, sorry, mistype on that one.
[09:20] <shaga> np
[09:21] <shaga> there seems to be one another way also on making that stick
[09:21] <Noq> AK_Dave: I'm not doing .iso, I'm doing the .img file for unr.
[09:21] <shaga> "The Cygwin Way" http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_from_USB_stick#The_Cygwin_Way
[09:21] <AK_Dave> Noq: Why don't you use the iso?
[09:22] <Noq> AK_Dave: Is there an .iso for UNR? Cause I didn't seen it on the ubuntu 9.04 doownload section.
[09:22] <Noq> f there is, I feel really stupid
[09:23] <AK_Dave> Noq: Yes, just download the standard desktop .iso and burn it. Install it. Then after you run the update-manager the next thing you install is ubuntu-netbook-remix as a package. 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-netbook-remix'.
[09:24] <AK_Dave> Noq: Bunch of other stuff to install, buncha netbook how-to stuff, over on www.ubuntumini.com
[09:25] <Noq> AK_Dave: I will start the .iso 9.04 download right now.
[09:25] <shaga> Noq: did you try out that Cygwin way I just linked you?
[09:25] <Noq> AK_Dave: w.. btw, I use UnetBootin to write .iso's, since my netbookdoesn't have a diskdrive. What option do I need to choose?
[09:25] <shaga> that should work also
[09:25] <Noq> shaga: That option is on linux right?
[09:25] <shaga> nope
[09:26] <shaga> it's for windows
[09:26] <AK_Dave> Noq: Did you see the link I gave you for using unetbootin?
[09:26] <AK_Dave> Noq: This link - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[09:28] <Noq> shaga: where do i get cygwin files?
[09:28] <shaga> for example http://www.cygwin.com/
[09:29] <Noq> AK_Dave: I know how unetbootin works, but what do i choose as an option on the upper right bar?
[09:29] <Noq> AK_Dave: Since there is no 9.04 option, only 8.10 and lower.
[09:29] <shaga> no need. you can just pick the "disk image"
[09:29] <shaga> and use .iso
[09:29] <AK_Dave> Noq: I don't know what unetbootin looks like, so I can only presume that the link I showed you with pictures and instructions has the information you need.
[09:30] <shaga> I've used unetbootin couple times. with images, you dont need to choose distribution
[09:30] <Noq> shaga: Ow.. so upper bars can leave blank?
[09:30] <shaga> yeah
[09:30] <shaga> that "distribution" select
[09:31] <Noq> shaga: Ok, handy. However, what are those bars for anyway then? lol
[09:31] <shaga> but you should manage making unr stick also with that cygwin. cant guide you through that put should be quite easy
[09:31] <shaga> that option is for download
[09:32] <shaga> it downloads the image and then writes it
[09:32] <shaga> but it doesnt have like Jaunty rc in it
[09:32] <jamie> Will Jaunty Have Drivers for more hardware
[09:32]  * AK_Dave gets a kick out of the fact that the picture of unetbootin on help.ubuntu.com shows using it to install Linux Mint.
[09:33] <Noq> shaga: I'm going to use cygwin.com for a sec. lemme take a quick look on main pc
[09:33] <shaga> that should work and I hope it does :)
[09:34]  * AK_Dave loves the USB Creator tool in Ubuntu.
[09:40] <shaga> btw. if cygwin doesnt work for you and you end up using .iso/unetbootin, you can install it on your netbook and use that system to create .img unr stick
[09:40] <shaga> or just burn it on cd, boot into live on your desktop pc(xp) and use that to create it
[09:41] <AK_Dave> shaga: If Noq puts Jaunty desktop on his netbook he can apt-get install ubuntu-netbook-remix and be done with it.
[09:41] <shaga> just some workarounds if you want to make that stick
[09:41] <shaga> AK_Dave: that's one way also :)
[09:42] <AK_Dave> shaga: It works. :)
[09:42] <shaga> I wouldnt go that one tho as I like to use .img if it's for netbooks.. I can sleep a little bit better :)
[09:42] <Noq> Sigh.. ho annoying to do this, I need to follow up AK_Dave's way. Again downloading the whole .iso.. and update from there. Another 30mins to wait :(
[09:42] <shaga> it works
[09:43] <Noq> Cygen is tuck on installation. And can't really be bothered to fool around more with cmd's. Thanks though shaga.
[09:43] <AK_Dave> Noq: It will work. Unetbootin with the desktop .iso and then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop-remix
[09:43] <shaga> np, .iso way definitely works :)
[09:44] <shaga> now it's time to make some coffee and watch some tv episodes. hf :)
[09:44]  * AK_Dave scrapped Hardy off his netbook and did Jaunty desktop -> UNR this exact way.
[09:44] <AK_Dave> Well, not so exact. I was able to use USB Creator on an Intrepid box to make the stick instead of Unetbootin
[09:45] <Nirrad1st> Hello. I am using Ubuntu 9.04 and I have installed " connectd " application. But I dont know where to find it ? Thanks if you can help.
[09:46] <shaga> have you tried # whereis connectd
[09:46] <shaga> anyway, off I go
[09:46] <Nirrad1st> no , but i will right now.
[09:46] <AK_Dave> Nirrad1st: start typing the command name and then press tab a couple times.
[09:48] <henry-nicolas> Hi, I'm currently trying Jaunty and there is no ruby package, is that normal ?
[09:48] <Noq> ye shaga, thanks for helping amte.
[09:50] <Nirrad1st> both ideas didnt pan out. connectd is a system monitor utility. That i was hoping to try instead of GKrellM system monitor. Or if someone could suggest another alternative that offer temp reading and fan rpm's  plus other features.
[09:52] <timfrost> henry-nicolas: There are lots of ruby-related packages.  The main package appears to be ruby-full.
[09:52] <lanoxx> bug #332945: "Thank you for your bug report. That is a feature, not a bug, and has already been reported." The last time I heard this it came from a MICROSOFT spokes person, and all most everybody I know or read about complaint about this way of Microsoft handling things... Its really sad we are seeing this now in the Linux world
[09:53] <henry-nicolas> timfrost: ruby-full doesn't provide the ruby package while screenruler is requiring the ruby package, therefore, it isn't installable
[09:56] <timfrost> henry-nicolas: That sounds like a bug in ruby-full (it should have an attribute 'Provides: ruby').  Since ruby is in universe, it should be possible to get that fixed
[09:57] <henry-nicolas> timfrost: indeed, I confirm, ruby-full doesn't provide ruby. What should I do to report that correctly ?
[10:00] <timfrost> henry-nicolas: file a bug against ruby-full. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[10:00] <BlackDex> Hello there
[10:00] <BlackDex> i have a weird thing
[10:00] <BlackDex> the network graph says that there is network activity
[10:00] <BlackDex> like more then 1GB/s
[10:01] <BlackDex> even when there is a 100MB/s connection
[10:01] <zash_> BlackDex: 100MegaByte/sec ?
[10:01] <zash_> also, compression?
[10:01] <BlackDex> Also when i unplug the network, it keeps sending accourding to the network graph
[10:02] <BlackDex> i mean Mb/s sorry
[10:03] <BlackDex> is there a way to see which program (if any) is transmitting things?
[10:03] <unomi> man netstat
[10:03] <BlackDex> well that i already checked
[10:04] <unomi> apparently not :p
[10:04] <unomi> netstat will tell you what is doing what
[10:04] <unomi> you could also get nettop
[10:04] <BlackDex> if it was that obvouis, i would come here :)
[10:04] <unomi> which is a bit more friendly
[10:04] <unomi> exactly
[10:05] <henry-nicolas> timfrost : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-defaults/+bug/364026
[10:05] <BlackDex> but.. i closed all apps i know off with network connections..
[10:05] <BlackDex> MySQL, Dns, apache etc... etc...
[10:05] <BlackDex> did a netstat
[10:05] <BlackDex> and no active connections
[10:06] <BlackDex> also used netwatch, same result, nothing strange
[10:06] <BlackDex> but i wonderd if there was an app that can see me which program is using xKb/s on the network
[10:07] <unomi> netstat  -ecpA inet
[10:07] <unomi> will not show you the rate, no
[10:07] <unomi> for that you can use nettop
[10:08] <unomi> sorry
[10:08] <unomi> iftop
[10:08] <unomi> apt-get install iftop if you dont have it
[10:09] <timfrost> henry-nicolas: that should help.  No idea how long it will take to be processed though.
[10:10] <BlackDex> unomi: Ah thx.. Ill try to figure it out :)
[10:15] <BlackDex> according to iftop there is no activity with that a high rate :S
[10:18] <jmarsden> BlackDex: Are you looking at a graph showing traffic on your loopback interface by accident, maybe? "When I unplug the network it keeps sending"... sounds like loopback traffic to me.
[10:20] <DASPRiD> hi there, where to find documentation about how to integrate a program with the new indicator-applet?
[10:20] <aapzak> anyone here moved resolvconf from 07 to a later time during init?
[10:21] <Noqq> I'm about to startup my bootable usb with 9.04 on it. When I first run trough Live mode, can I use GParted to partition my drive? And after that install Ubuntu on that space?
[10:25] <aapzak> Noqq: yes, that should be possible
[10:29] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes.... i've done that a few times before..
[10:30] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, it's now on bootscreen of ubuntu. Waiting to go in live, than i'll need to figure out ohw it works to partition.
[10:31] <ninadsp> Noqq: have you used the partition manager before? it should be very easy...
[10:32] <Noqq> ninadsp: No I'm now in Ubuntu live, searching for a partition manager.
[10:33] <ninadsp> Noqq: system>administration>partition manager
[10:33] <Noqq> ninadsp: would be awesome if you could drag me trough this proces. (If it doesn't take too long, don't want to ruin our time)
[10:33] <ninadsp> Noqq: its a very easy to use... sure.. have some time :)
[10:33] <drinkycrow> i dont have system
[10:33] <drinkycrow> im on nr
[10:34] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, I'm in, for your information, I got C:\ (60gb, NTFS) and D:\ (80gb, NTFS), on C:\ there is Windows, and I want to make Dual Boot.
[10:34] <ninadsp> Noqq: setup the partitions as you want them... keep the ubuntu partition as ext3/ext4 as per your choice...
[10:35] <ninadsp> Noqq: i'd suggest 14-15 gb of disk space for ubuntu.. min 10 gb
[10:35] <ninadsp> and alteast 1x or 2x your ram for swap...
[10:35] <Noqq> ninadsp: I'm on Netbook, (im typing mirc with my main pc, installing currently on Netbook)
[10:35] <thekorn> hi, has anyone ever installed jaunty ( > beta) from an usb stick created with usb-creator?
[10:36] <Noqq> ninadsp: However, what you mean with 1x or 2x ram? And how do I make the partition, just right click on the drive and make it?
[10:36] <frybye> thekorn - yes thank you! ;=)
[10:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.... how much free space do you have on your D drive?
[10:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: you could resize it, and reduce its size... to create enough space for ubuntu..
[10:37] <frybye> thekorn: hang on - not sure what soft I used for it off hand..
[10:37] <Noqq> ninadsp: But I want Dual Boot, so shouldn't it be on the same drive as windows is installed?
[10:37] <frybye> thekorn: and it was a hdsd card not a stick but same story..
[10:37] <ninadsp> Noqq: na... u need different partitions to for both os's.. they will still be on the same disk though
[10:38] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ow, and I'm in the Resize part now. I have chosen for: 12gb of free space Presending, 74gb left, Xgb following. What is the following part?
[10:38] <thekorn> frybye: ok, but why thanking me? ;)
[10:38] <ninadsp> Noqq: and i'd rather resize D:/ than C:/....
[10:38] <Noqq> ninadsp: ok will do, but what is the 'Following' option?
[10:38] <ninadsp> Noqq: this is from the partition manager? right?
[10:39] <ninadsp> Noqq: gimme a min.. i'll check up the part manager... been ages since i opened it...
[10:39] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ye, I'm currently in the screen to resize my empty D:\, for making a partition for Ubuntu to install.
[10:40] <ninadsp> Noqq: ahhh... i don't have it installed... :( and i've got an update happening.. so cant install and check gparted.. :(
[10:40] <Noqq> ninadsp: Gimme a sec., I will type as clear as I can what my screen says now.
[10:40] <ninadsp> Noqq: sure...
[10:41] <Noqq> Free Space Perceding: 0, New Size: 62738, Free Space Following: 0
[10:41] <BlackDex> pc crashed :S
[10:41] <Noqq> Those are the 3 options that are underneath eachother.
[10:42] <victim> yesterday i updated 8.10 to jaunty, which was fine, today there were some updates (5 plus 2 blocked) which i applied, there was an error http://www.pastie.org/452140 where should i report it?
[10:42] <BlackDex> im currently using etherape to check where the network traffic is comming from, but i can't find it
[10:42] <BlackDex> nothing seems to produce that kind of network traffic
[10:43] <aapzak> is there noone here who fixed the resolvconf error during init? Its started too early , anyone here moved resolvconf back in the line?
[10:43] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok... it's resized the partition and created a new one i assume?
[10:44] <Noqq> ninadsp: I don't know what to fill in at, "Free Space Perceding" and "Free Space Following"
[10:44] <Noqq> ninadsp: What will be the option that gives me the free space for ubuntu to install?
[10:44] <ninadsp> Noqq:ohh... alright got it...
[10:45] <ninadsp> Noqq: leave free space preceding to 0... set the free space following to watever size u want for (ubuntu + swap) in gb x 1000
[10:46] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, i left preceding at 0, and chose for 12000 in following free space
[10:46] <ninadsp> it is asking you how much space to create while resizing the partition... btw, are u resizing c: or d: ?
[10:46] <Noqq> D:
[10:46] <ninadsp> ok... go ahead and crete that free space...
[10:47] <ninadsp> Noqq:  sorry it took me so long to catch up.. :)
[10:47] <Noqq> ninadsp: Now there is also a checkbox underneath these fillouts, "Round to cylinders?"
[10:47] <Noqq> ninadsp: No problem, youre great help.
[10:47] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes... do round it to cylinders... the numbers will change slightly...
[10:48] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, then I'm ready to accept the resize I guess
[10:48] <ninadsp> would be better for your hard disk.. selecting tht option
[10:49] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ok, clicked Resize, now I click the "Apply", at the top?
[10:49] <Noqq> ninadsp: Cause it tells me it's pending to partition, and the partitioned part is 'unallocated'
[10:50] <tweakster> hello. i can't seem to play mp3's or movies with 9.04.. it just exits the program or log me out
[10:50] <Noqq> Nvm.. it's busy.
[10:51] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes... i am facing a little lag... network issues i guess
[10:51] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes... apply the changes... or you could at the same time, ask it to mark some of the space as ext3/4 and some part as swap
[10:51] <ninadsp> tweakster: i assume you have installed the necessary codecs?
[10:51] <tweakster> i have yes
[10:52] <ninadsp> tweakster: then i am not the right person to help you... please wait around... :)
[10:52] <Noqq> ninadsp: It's done. However, it still tells me it's unallocated. Can I still go and install Ubuntu and choose that 'unallocated'part?
[10:52] <tweakster> tjhanks you nina
[10:52] <victim> tweakster: can you start the player from the command line?
[10:52] <ninadsp> Noqq: two options.. you can create a partition of ext3/4 on that space right now, and then start the installer, or let the installer do it for u...
[10:53] <tweakster> victim: i can load the player, just when i try to actually play something it shuts down
[10:53] <Noqq> ninadsp: I'll let the installer do it.
[10:54] <ninadsp> Noqq: also, be sure to keep some space for your swap partition.. unless you have a 3 or 4 gb ram, and are not going to keep your system on for a long period at a time
[10:54] <Noqq> ninadsp: when do I get to choosethat?
[10:54] <ninadsp> Noqq: go ahead and start the installer then.. it'll be on the desktop... when on the partitions step of the process, select the partition that you just created for the root
[10:55] <Noqq> ninadsp: ok, I started the installation, from there I can choose what partition to install and what ram I want to use? (I got 1gb of ram, told you, netbook) :)
[10:55] <ninadsp> Noqq: from the 12 gb that you just made, you can allocate about 10 gb as your root, in the partitioning step in the installer, and the rest 2 gb for swap... assuming you want that much swap
[10:56] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok... it's recommended that swap space be the same or a multiple pf the ram.. to go for 1 gb or 2 gb of swap...
[10:56] <ninadsp> Moqq: yes.. it'll be the third step if i am not wrong.. the partitions manager...
[10:57] <ninadsp> Noqq: or it might be the 4th... dont remember.. :)
[10:57] <Noqq> ninadsp: It's good mate. The installation is user-friendly for newcomers like me.
[10:58] <Noqq> inadsp: OK! I'm in the partition part now. Let's see..
[10:58] <fakeer> ninadsp: jaunty alternate CD has completed 72% downlaod.. If Network Manager doesn't installs after cdromupgrade then i will get back to you again..
[10:58] <ninadsp> Noqq; yes it is... even i had a lot of fun with it... setting ut up on a lot of systems...
[10:58] <ninadsp> fakeer: sure.. if i am still here, i'll be glad to help.. or u can ask others...
[10:58] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. select the unallocated space, and click on the 'new partition' button
[10:59] <Noqq> ninadsp: d'oh.. still stuck. :(
[10:59] <ninadsp> Noqq: set the size as 10 or 11 gb... it takes a little time to scan the disk... :)
[10:59] <Noqq> ninadsp: It tells me to use entire disk, or use partition (advanced), I see the Free Space in the bar above the installer, but How to select it?
[11:00] <ninadsp> Noqq: there will be a manual option.. the advanced one i guess...
[11:00] <tweakster> ninadsp: strange thing is it used to work ; ;
[11:00] <ninadsp> Noqq: yes.. the advanced option... thats what i always use...
[11:00] <Noqq> ninadsp: Yes, I chose that one, but I can't choose where to install it.
[11:00] <ninadsp> tweakster: maybe an update broke it?
[11:01] <tweakster> ninadsp: i hope not :)
[11:01] <SandGorgon> how do you get a list of ALL installed packages on kpackagekit ?
[11:01] <ninadsp> Noqq: could you tell me the options on that page? there will be some 3 options... one is using the entire disk, one is teh advandced one
[11:01] <dooglus> the first time I plug my phone in, it gets automounted.  if I unmount it, and replug it, it doesn't.  is there any way I can have it mounted a 2nd time?
[11:02] <ninadsp> Noqq: i remember a manual option, where it allowed me to play with the partitions...
[11:02] <tweakster> ninadsp: it's "movie player" that shuts down.. maybe i should try re-installing it? not sure what program it really is
[11:03] <ninadsp> twekster: that is totem media player... tried using vlc or any other alternative like mplayer?
[11:03] <Noqq> ninadsp: Yep, I'm in the part where to choose what partition. But the partition I made before is 'unusable'.
[11:03] <tweakster> ninadsp: true i have and the same thing ; ; however i still get thumbnail previews or i can hang mouse over mp3 and it will play
[11:03] <ninadsp> Noqq: ohh!
[11:04] <ninadsp> Noqq: the partition manager never gave me such an error before...!
[11:05] <ninadsp> Noqq: me trying to google... pls hang around...
[11:06] <Noqq> ninadsp: I an however click on my D:\, and do 'edit partition' and get like the list of 'ntfs, ext3, ext4, fat32', and choose 'New Partition Size'.
[11:07] <ninadsp> Noqq: that will format your entire d drive...
[11:08] <Noqq> ninadsp: there isn't anything on that D drive anyway. But I don't want to make my D drive all Empty, I want to keep a part of D accessable for Windows.
[11:09] <ninadsp> Noqq: i guess i know why that error is occuring... there is a limit on the number of partitions that can be made on a drive... so i had to make a logical partition on my system, which had a few more partitions under it...
[11:09] <ninadsp> and i'd done it using the partition manager from system>admin...
[11:10] <tweakster> ninadsp: could you check http://pastebin.com/d3b9e0912 please?
[11:10] <Noqq> ninadsp: When I made it possible to have more partitions, it would work? I don't need to redo my partition I just made?
[11:10] <ninadsp> Noqq: you can cancel the current install process and do this... open gparted again..
[11:10] <ninadsp> Noqq: it can be done...
[11:11] <ninadsp> weakster: checking.. gimme a min...
[11:11] <tweakster> ninadsp: thaqnk you nina
[11:12] <ninadsp> Noqq: in gparted, select the free space that you had just created, and make a new partition there... a 10 or 110 gb partition in ext3 or ext 4
[11:13] <ninadsp> tweakster: from what i understand, it is an error with totem... did you try googling the first line of the error?
[11:13] <Noqq> ninadsp: "It is not possible to create more than 4 primary partitions"
[11:13] <ninadsp> tweakster: it might have been already reported as a bug...
[11:13] <tweakster> Details: serial 76 error_code 11 request_code 132 minor_code 19 that line google it?
[11:13] <ninadsp> Noqq: does it show any options? like creating a secondary partition?
[11:14] <Noqq> ninadsp: The free space I made from my D:\, is showing in gparted to be gray and unallocated. When I highlight this partition and press 'New' above, it tells me the error of no more partitions than 4.
[11:15] <ninadsp> tweakster: nopes.. the one with /var/lib/python-support
[11:15] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. please hold on...
[11:16] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ow, and in the error it tells me to first create an extended partition. Sorry for not noticing immediately.
[11:16] <ninadsp> Noqq: its alright... extended partitions was what i was looking for.. :)
[11:17] <ninadsp> and i'd just found something abt it on the forums..
[11:18] <ninadsp> Noqq: create that extended partition, and in it create your root... and a swap partition...
[11:18] <Noqq> ninadsp: can you link that forum topic, cause I don't know how to make an Extended partition.
[11:18] <ninadsp> Noqq: after you are done with that, fire up the installer again, and ask it to use the existing partitions...
[11:18] <ninadsp> Noqq: just a min
[11:19] <dooglus> the first time I plug my phone in, it gets automounted.  if I unmount it, and replug it, it doesn't.  is there any way I can have it mounted a 2nd time?
[11:19] <tweakster> ninadsp: i found something here... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-gdata/+bug/336706 but i'm not really understanding it ; ;
[11:20] <ninadsp> Noqq: can you see something about a logical partition?
[11:20] <ninadsp> tweakster: well, if there is a fix/workaround given on that page, you could try that... but i dunno much about python...
[11:20] <Noqq> ninadsp: a 'logical' partition? No.
[11:21] <tweakster> ninadsp: ok thank you
[11:22] <ninadsp> Noqq: the thread i am reading is this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=107726 but it doesnt have the solution, ie how to use gparted... googling..
[11:23] <Noqq> ninadsp: I seriously can't do anything with the free space I made. It's unallocated and when I highlight it, I can only choose option 'New', but then I get the error "No more than 4 aprtitions.."
[11:23] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. please hold on...
[11:25] <henux> ubuntu 8.10 repos seem to have many different packages containing inetd -- inetutils-inetd, netkit-inetd etc. which package should i use to install inetd daemon, or should i go with xinetd?
[11:25] <henux> and btw, im trying to set up svnserve with *inetd
[11:26] <henux> thanks
[11:28] <ninadsp> Noqq: can you delete that 12 gb of space tht you made? as in does it show up as a partition or as a free space?
[11:29] <ninadsp> Noqq: i forgot some of the things u said b4.. so sorry for asking again...
[11:29] <Noqq> ninadsp: It's a unalloacted free space, can't delete it.
[11:30] <ninadsp> Noqq: and how many other partitions exist? c: and d: right? which makes it just three...
[11:30] <ninadsp> Noqq: no option to make a new partition? i do know this must be frustrating...
[11:31] <Noqq> C, D, E (fat32, small one), and some Uknown partition, with a ! next to it.
[11:31] <Noqq> ninadsp: I'ts a new netook, so everything should be installed correctly. Never did something weird.
[11:31] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. the ! next to it means that it is either mounted, or there is some free space there...
[11:32] <nyso> hi there, how can i activate for my intel gma950
[11:32] <nyso> UXA
[11:32] <ninadsp> Noqq: ok.. there are already 4 partitions, which is why it is giving the error... what does gparted say when you try to click in the unkown partition?
[11:33] <nyso> xorg.conf seems a little bit empty
[11:33] <ninadsp> someone here who could help with creating an extended partition with gparted?
[11:33] <aapzak> nyso: a bit empty or totally empty?
[11:33] <Noqq> ninadsp: double click, gives the information of the space/how it's used. Right click, only tells me to select 'New', not able to delete it or how to format it.
[11:34] <nyso> aapzak: a bit... http://pastebin.com/m18d4e6f4
[11:34] <ninadsp> Noqq: how is it used? and how much space does it take?
[11:34] <Noqq> ninadsp: the one I made is 12gb, and further blank, can't choose how to use it as a NTFS or Ext3 as example.
[11:34] <aapzak> nyso, just add Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" to the device section
[11:35] <ninadsp> Noqq: and when you select 'New' for that, you get the error of being unable to create a partition... right?
[11:35] <aapzak> nyso: you'll need to restart X ofcourse, and keep track of you memory load for the X process
[11:35] <rumpel> !upgrade
[11:36] <mikebeecham> Hi guys
[11:36] <mikebeecham> just installed Jaunty
[11:36] <Noqq> ninadsp: Ye, then I get the error I can't make more than 4 aprtitions.
[11:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: well.. your problem is to create the extended partition.. once you can create that, you can go ahead and complete the installer...
[11:36] <mikebeecham> wow, is all I can say..although the growl thingy is annoying me already!
[11:36] <nyso> aapzak: thx :)
[11:36] <Noqq> ninadsp: But HOW do I make the Extended Partition? :P
[11:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: please ask people here how to do it.. i have to go right now...
[11:36] <aapzak> nyso: what are you going to use it for?
[11:36] <Noqq> ninadsp: ok
[11:36] <ninadsp> Noqq: so sorry cant help you...
[11:37] <ninadsp> Noqq: hope it gets solved soon... :)
[11:37] <Noqq> ninadsp: ye hope so
[11:37] <nyso> aapzak: well, my intel gma950 is very slow and i've read that uxa can solve this
[11:38] <aapzak> nyso: I'm curious how it works out for you, didn't do anything for me
[11:38] <mikebeecham> guys..is there anyway to disable the notification panel in the top-right corner?
[11:38] <mikebeecham> I cant seem to find a setting
[11:38] <nyso> brb
[11:39] <Praveen> anyone know where to find the intrepid human GDM theme. i hate the one in jaunty
[11:41] <nyso> aapzak: re and it works fast now .9
[11:41] <incubii> Is there a way to configure the new notification system in Jaunty?
[11:41] <nyso> :)
[11:42] <Praveen> incubii: last time i asked it was no. shouldnt have been released in this kind of shape
[11:45] <Noqq> I have ubuntu 9.04 now running live, can I make a backup first from my Windows files?
[11:53] <tj83> is it coming in 3 days or not? i have heard someplace they missed the boat on release schedule?
[11:56] <incubii> thanks Praveen. Just annoying that i can't set the damn thing to fade or make it bigger
[11:57] <Praveen> incubii: yes i find it annoying too
[11:57] <Praveen> incubii: hopefully it is fixed in 9.10
[11:58] <Praveen> incubii: if you do a bit of searching there is a way to go back to the old notifications
[11:58] <tj83> is it coming in 3 days or not? i have heard someplace they missed the boat on release schedule?
[12:05] <aapzak> tj83: does it matter that much? RC was on time, I don't like rushjob results, so I hope they release when they're ready
[12:06] <tj83> no aapzak your completely right... 8.10 was a good example of that in my opinion, but curious none the less.
[12:06] <victim> tj83: where did you hear this?
[12:07] <victim> where is this 'someplace'?
[12:07] <tj83> word of mouth, didnt claim it to be true, figured this was good place to ask
[12:07] <tj83> guess we will know in 3 days if its up on the main stream download page.
[12:07] <victim> sounds like jealous gossip
[12:08] <victim> I would shrug my shoulders and ignore it, I wouldn't repeat it without stating that it was an unfounded statement
[12:09] <tj83> ha, ok, now i'm the bad guy lol, anyways. i think i can wait 72 hrs for my answer :P
[12:10] <tj83> been running 9.04 for about 2 weeks now, i must say, Lookin good!
[12:11] <tj83> i am just anxious to say to others, GO FER IT! ya know, and until its official... dont wanna do that.
[12:11] <aapzak> tj83: if you're already on 9.04 it won't make much of a difference anyway :)
[12:11] <aapzak> oyeah
[12:14] <tj83> yea, i have had less headache out of 9.04 pre-release than 8.10 post release  and believe me, i tried to stick it out with 8.10, only to find myself back in 8.04. hopefully 9.04 wont be a  repeat of that.
[12:18] <rconan> tj83: funny... I found 8.04 to be poor at release and ended up sticking with 7.10
[12:22] <ubuntu> does anybody know how i can decrypt my /home partition using ecryptfs?
[12:22] <ubuntu> i reinstalled jaunty by deleting root ( / ) , but my encrypted /home partition was untouched
[12:22] <ubuntu> bur now i only see one file on /home, called Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop
[12:22] <ubuntu> but i cannot launch it
[12:22] <ubuntu> i appreciate any help!!
[12:23] <KelloggsFrosties> having a problem with connecting to vpnc with network-manager (kde). is this a known issue?
[12:26] <ubuntu> anybody can help me with my encrpted /home partition?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> i was going to ask the same thing,in 8.10,there was option to encrypt your home folder
[12:27] <ubuntu> yes but i want to decrypt my /home
[12:28] <ubuntu> but i reinstalled jaunty by formating / root
[12:29] <ubuntu> damn it im screwed up without my data
[12:30] <shadeslayer> ubuntu: how did you encrypt it btw?
[12:31] <ubuntu> with the jaunty alpha 6 installer
[12:31] <ubuntu> he just asked me for my loginpassword
[12:31] <shadeslayer> i didnt see it in my installer,:(
[12:31] <ubuntu> can i use this to decrypt it?
[12:31] <dooglus> what is 'tor' called in jaunty?  I can't find it
[12:31] <aaron> maybe this is a dumb question but is there a way to create a nepomuk tag representing a person so I can tag my photos in gwenview with it?
[12:32] <dooglus> !info tor
[12:32] <dooglus> !info tor interpid
[12:32] <aaron> I have an address book set up, I just don't see a way to select one of them for a tag
[12:32] <dooglus> !info tor intrepid
[12:32] <tj83> how can i make the update manager ignore a broken package? has anyone used cedega in 9.04? did you have to force install?
[12:38] <Lasivian> hrrrm
[12:38] <Lasivian> I have booted off a usb image, and i'm wanting to use that machine to rewrite the usb stick with another image
[12:38] <Lasivian> is that possible, or will it need the first image to keep running?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> tj83: i'd contact cedega regardng the upgrade, see what they recommend
[12:46] <faker123> ninadsp: Hey .. I'm upgrading using Alternate CD , but it's not installing networking manager in the list of packages it will be installing
[12:48] <robin0800_> faker123: kde?
[12:49] <faker123> robin0800_: Gnome
[12:49] <faker123> robin0800_: i had installed using jaunty beta and just right now upgraded using RC alternate CD
[12:50] <Lasivian> well crap... the usb startup disk creator cannot use a .img
[12:50] <robin0800_> faker123: theres something in the release notes about having to add the nm applett on an upgrade but thought that was only kde
[12:51] <faker123> hmm
[12:52] <faker123> robin0800_: for the last 6-7 days ..i have been shfting b/w ubuntu-vista.. i hate to do it..both for vista is not free and for the tiresome effort it needs
[12:54] <cwillu_clone> Lasivian, if it's just expecting a cd, then mount the image using a loopback
[12:55] <Lasivian> it's expecting an iso
[12:55] <Lasivian> tho, perhaps a cd image would work
[12:57] <faker123> robin0800_: trying booting in rescue mode from alt cd...see what happens........
[12:59] <faker123> I  sincerely believe that ubuntu/and other distro should think learning a thing or two from OSs like Windows and Mac.. I don't think being non free means...everything's bad there...
[13:00] <faker123> sometimes or most of the times it becomes a nightmare for less geeky linux/open source enthusiasts
[13:01] <shadeslayer> faker123: if you use linux you are bound to be called a geek,accept the fact
[13:01] <faker123> :) but see.. what a nightmare i am going through
[13:02] <shadeslayer> faker123: i know,setting up ubuntu/linux is a nightmare for the first week,after that youl love it
[13:02] <faker123> shadeslayer: atleast there should be basic features in the LiveCd or Alt Cd like..you can reinstalled a broken package...
[13:03] <Lasivian> the issue is we have been spoonfed windows and mac babyfood for years
[13:03] <faker123> shadeslayer: nope.. i used 8.04 for almost 3 months..and then skipped 8.10...now used 9.04 for almost 20 days without any problem but when i removed NM and installed WICD  and then tried to reinstall NM..all hell break loose :)
[13:04] <shadeslayer> yeah,its click and install etc
[13:04] <Lasivian> if i ever have a child they will be born with a copy of Linux and a Dvorak keyboard
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> Lasivian: like it :)
[13:04] <zash_> Lasivian: oh yeah!
[13:04] <faker123> Lasivian: you cannot accept everyone to be linux experts even from 50 yrs from now
[13:04] <Noqq> Is installing Ubuntu 9.04 from my USB Bootable save without first making partitions? Meaning that I choose to let Ubuntu automatically installs itself correctly.
[13:04] <rconan> Lasivian: "born with", the surgery for that could be quite drastic :p
[13:05] <Lasivian> faker123: if I had grown up with Linux instead of Windows there would be no issue figuring out Linux issues for me now
[13:05] <shadeslayer> that applies for everyone :P
[13:05] <faker123> Lasivian: there are people who has a right that they can use an Open Src OS just out of the box.. ( though i dont qualify for that) :)
[13:06] <Lasivian> this is like being in a dictatorship for most of your life, then being dragged to a democracy and not knowing what the hell people are talking about with this "voting" crap
[13:06] <petsounds> heelo, i have probelm with my mouse going crazy and move everywhere after installing to kubuntu 9. 04 rc, so i doing a test with ubuntu 8. 10 in my other hard disk once, the problem never appear. it's a pity cause i really love kde, maybe folks around here can help me
[13:07] <Noqq> Is installing Ubuntu 9.04 from my USB Bootable save without first making partitions? Meaning that I choose to let Ubuntu automatically installs itself correctly.
[13:07] <shadeslayer> petsounds: ooh sounds like something i had in 8.10
[13:07] <aapzak> I think installing Ubuntu is easier than installing Windows actually
[13:07] <faker123> Lasivian:  nope..the analogy  doesn't fit here
[13:07] <Lasivian> faker123: in any analogy it's simply a change in viewpoint from what someone has always known
[13:08] <shadeslayer> petsounds: i think you have to add a line something like ionumux in the config file
[13:08] <faker123> petsounds: give GNOME a try... I love it... ;)
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> faker123: try lxde, love it ;)
[13:08] <petsounds> shadeslayer, maybe u can write a lil more detail cause i'm just average user.
[13:09] <shadeslayer> petsounds: im googling right now
[13:09] <rconan> petsounds: are you using multiple screens
[13:09] <rconan> ?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> petsounds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/216797
[13:09] <petsounds> faker123, i have two OS. i use gnome and kde, both is a winner to me
[13:10] <shadeslayer> petsounds: searching for a better explanation
[13:10] <shadeslayer> petsounds: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1530#Touchpad%20speed%20is%20lame
[13:11] <petsounds> rconan, i am not using multiple screen
[13:11] <thiebaude> yo
[13:12] <shadeslayer> petsounds: your tochpad jumps around right?
[13:12] <petsounds> yes sir
[13:12] <petsounds> what should i do to fix it shadeslayer?
[13:13] <shadeslayer> petsounds: open your grub menu.lst
[13:14] <shadeslayer> petsounds: can you open it?? or may i provide the command?
[13:14] <petsounds> yes please
[13:14] <petsounds> he..he
[13:16] <shadeslayer> petsounds: gnome i guess?
[13:16] <petsounds> i'm on kubuntu right now
[13:16] <Noqq> I'm right now at the installment of Ubuntu 9.04 at the partition part. What do I need to choose?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> petsounds: gksu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[13:16] <Noqq> I don't want XP deleted.
[13:16] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[13:16] <petsounds> kdesudo, right?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[13:17] <petsounds> ok next?
[13:18] <shadeslayer> replace ro quiet splash i8042.nomux=1
[13:18] <shadeslayer> you wont have i8042.nomux=1 just add that to the kernel part
[13:19] <Lasivian> arg
[13:19] <Lasivian> this netbootin img just constantly fails
[13:19] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: i hate unetbootin,didnt work even once for me
[13:19] <petsounds> just paste this command quiet splash i8042.nomux=1 ?
[13:19] <Lasivian> I don;t have any other machine to work with
[13:19] <shadeslayer> petsounds: no,paste the kernel part for me here
[13:19] <Lasivian> I couldn't get the img written with a livecd boot
[13:20] <Lasivian> how else can I write a img to usb drive?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: use dd
[13:20] <Lasivian> dd?
[13:20] <Noqq> Can someone please hlp me trough the part of installing ubuntu? I'm stuck at the partition section.
[13:21] <rconan> Noqq: are you trying to dual-boot?
[13:21] <thiebaude> Noqq: what happens at that part?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-101780.html
[13:21] <petsounds> sorry, on the terminall or on kate?
[13:21] <Noqq> rconan: Yes, I want Dual Boot
[13:22] <Noqq> thiebaude: I got 2 drives, C/80gb/NTFS, D/70gb/NTFS
[13:22] <rconan> Noqq: what exactly is the problem? are both your OSs on the same drive?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> petsounds: what happened?
[13:22] <Noqq> rconan: I only got Windows installed now, I want dual boot with Ubuntu 9.04
[13:22] <rconan> Noqq: are you intending to install to the same drive as windows?
[13:22] <thiebaude> Noqq: im going to hand you off to rconan because i got to go
[13:23] <Noqq> rconan: C is on Windows, D is empty. I'll do whatever is needed to get Dual Boot.
[13:23] <shadeslayer> petsounds: http://pastebin.com/d3f43e24d
[13:23] <Noqq> thiebaude: np.
[13:23] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: thanks
[13:23] <rconan> well you can either shrink C and install linux there (assuming there is free space) or install to part or all of D
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: no problems
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: would you prefer a wiki?
[13:23] <petsounds> i don't know what should i paste in here
[13:24] <Noqq> rconan: But I can't choose to what drive it will install.
[13:24] <rconan> Noqq: what does it say?
[13:24] <Noqq> rconan: Ow, I can choose. But what drive should I pick to install? Theyre both NTFS, and on C is Windows
[13:24] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[13:25] <shadeslayer> petsounds: paste your grub menus.lst
[13:25] <shadeslayer> not here tho,in pastebin
[13:25] <rconan> Noqq: it should offer you some options like "shrink <something> and install in free space" or "use whole drive <something>"
[13:25] <rconan> and you can pick
[13:26] <Noqq> rconan: I chose for the Advanced option. Not the use whole disk, cause it told me it would delete Windows XP.
[13:26] <petsounds> make new post there?
[13:26] <rconan> Noqq: so you're in the manual partition editor now?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:26] <petsounds> ok
[13:26] <petsounds> wait
[13:26] <shadeslayer> petsounds: sure
[13:27] <Noqq> rconan: I'm in the installer, Prepare Partitions.
[13:27] <petsounds> ok done
[13:27] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: apparently the livecd isn't running right on my mac mini
[13:27] <Lasivian> so I only have windows to work with right now
[13:28] <rconan> Noqq: I can't remember what the graphical installer looks like for 9.04 since I used the alternative for my install... you need to decide whether to shrink the windows install and keep D empty or use D for linux
[13:28] <fakeer123> Lasivian: No success.. tried alternate CD upgrade.. and then even tried by booting into rescue mode..but i can't connect to internet using NM(as it didn't install) nor i can use ifconfig
[13:28] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: hmm,what about a wubi install and using that?
[13:28]  * Lasivian thinks
[13:29] <Noqq> rconan: But when I used GParted to shrink like 12gb of my D:\, the free space was unallocated and I couldn't use it for installment of Ubuntu.
[13:29] <fakeer123> Lasivian: hmm..have to leave..lab is closing......
[13:29] <rconan> Noqq: once you've shrank the partition you have to make a new on the in the free space
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: you can make a USB image from there,itll have the USB creator
[13:30]  * shadeslayer thinks where petsounds wandered off to
[13:30] <Noqq> rconan: Then I got the error I couldn'make morethan 4 partitions.
[13:31] <Lasivian> I got the 8.04 on the mac mini running again, trying that
[13:31] <rconan> Noqq: how many partitions do you already have on there?
[13:31] <rconan> you only really need to make 2 for ubuntu
[13:32] <petsounds> i have paste in pastebin
[13:32] <Noqq> rconan: I got 4, C and D, both NTFS. And the 3rd is FAT32 with only 5gigs. and the 4th is some small thingy with no format and 41mb.
[13:33] <rconan> Noqq: oh... I didn't realise C and D were both on the same disk... I assumed they were different disks...
[13:33] <rconan> Noqq: is there anything on the 3rd partition?
[13:33] <shadeslayer> petsounds: then please paste the link here
[13:33] <Noqq> rconan: ye, it has used like 2gbs of the 5gb.
[13:34] <Noqq> rconan: But if I knew how to make a extended partition, than maybe it would work.
[13:34] <coz_> hey guys any news about powermangement?  the monitor is still sleeping after 10 minutes
[13:34] <rconan> Noqq: is there a reason for it being separate? it would probably be easiest and best to move everything off the 3rd partition so you have some contiguous free space at the end of the drive and then make two new partitions in that
[13:35] <petsounds> http://pastebin.com/m723007e9
[13:35] <histo> no one has said anything in #ubuntu for 5 minutes?
[13:35] <Noqq> rconan: I dunno, I bought the netbook as it was.
[13:35] <Pici> histo: yes
[13:35] <Lasivian> what is the "bs" option of the dd command?
[13:35] <rconan> Noqq: sounds like an odd partition layout... what is the 2GB of stuff?
[13:36] <histo> Pici: is there a netsplit or something going on that i'm missing with this client?
[13:36] <Pici> histo: just no questions or answers :)
[13:36] <Noqq> rconan: Don't know, when I was in Windows itself, only C and D were actual drives where i could in stall stuff in it. Further there was nothing else.
[13:36] <shadeslayer> petsounds: see line 135?
[13:36] <Noqq> rconan: I only got 1HDD, doesn't fir in more in a netbook.
[13:36] <Noqq> fit*
[13:36] <shadeslayer> petsounds: http://pastebin.com/d5b82fbb6
[13:37] <rconan> ok then... I'd say delete the 3rd and 4th partitions and make new ones for ubuntu in the space at the end of the drive (you did say you'd shrank D right?)
[13:37] <Noqq> Ye
[13:37] <Noqq> rconan: But I don't know if it's safe to delete those partitions.
[13:37] <petsounds> i see it, and then?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> see my paste,replace line 135 with line 135 in http://pastebin.com/d5b82fbb6
[13:37] <rconan> Noqq: if it's visible in windows it can hardly be being used :p
[13:38] <rconan> Noqq: worst case it probably has some recovery data on it which you don't need
[13:38] <petsounds> yes sir isee that
[13:38] <shadeslayer> petsounds: in your menu.lst
[13:38] <wirechief> rconan maybe he can use the 12gb as all extended, once he creates that then make logical partitions from it  ;)
[13:38] <petsounds> replace it?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:39] <rconan> wirechief: he could but it sounds like he has 5GB of wasted stuff too
[13:39] <Noqq> wirenchief: Ye, that sounds better, but I don't know to make a extended
[13:39] <rconan> Noqq: if you boot a livecd I can run you through makign an extended partition using fdisk...
[13:40] <shadeslayer> petsounds: then save and run sudo update-grub and reboot
[13:40] <petsounds> ok
[13:40] <wirechief> rconan 12gb is not much room for extended though, you would really like to have the whole thing for partitioning.
[13:40] <Noqq> rconan: I currently got my bootable usb with a live version 9.04 running next to me on my netbook.
[13:40] <rconan> Noqq: you need to have a free primary partition number to make the extended in...
[13:40] <rconan> ok then... run fdisk
[13:40] <rconan> "fdisk /dev/sda" in fact
[13:40] <petsounds> done
[13:40] <Noqq> rconan: ... wich isn't possible, casue I got 4 partitions. C, D, FAT32, and the unkown one. Damn.. :(
[13:40] <rconan> oh... actually "sudo fdisk /dev/sda" even
[13:41] <shadeslayer> petsounds: so PC rebooting?
[13:41] <rconan> Noqq: run fdisk, we'll work something out
[13:41] <petsounds> no
[13:41] <Noqq> rconan: ok lemme lok it up
[13:41] <shadeslayer> petsounds: then please reboot
[13:41] <petsounds> ok
[13:41] <petsounds> brb
[13:41] <shadeslayer> bye
[13:42]  * shadeslayer has a suspicision he didnt run update-grub
[13:43] <shadeslayer> any command to see who is connected to my ad hoc network?
[13:43] <Noqq> rconan: ok, filled in the sudo command in the terminal, however, I received some notice about that my cylinders are at different rounds, wich can cause delay of booting stuff.
[13:45] <rconan> Noqq: doesn't matter
[13:45] <rconan> Noqq: is fdisk running now?
[13:45] <rconan> if so type "p" and pastebin what it says
[13:45] <petsounds> so far so good, thanks guru
[13:45] <Lasivian> sudo is one thing I have not managed to get used to, heh
[13:46] <shadeslayer> petsounds: no problem and im no guru,i just happened to have the same problem ;)
[13:46] <DASPRiD> hi there, where to find documentation about how to integrate a program with the new indicator-applet?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> bye guys,see ya later and keep up the awesome work ;)
[13:47] <wirechief> shadeslayer try nmap 192.168.1.1/24 you can see if you have ports open
[13:50] <Noqq> rconan: http://pastebin.com/m7500c2a9
[13:51] <petsounds> one more question shadeslayer, i am installing ubuntu 8. 10 on my gf pc, since she doesn't have internet connection in her house. i am using aptonCD from my pc to install other program like inkscape, vlc, and gstreamer codec, but it seems error. i do it three times and still error. what did i miss?
[13:51] <coz_> dependencies
[13:52] <petsounds> more detail please
[13:53] <coz_> petsounds, I havenet use aptoncd for a while  and I am not sure about this however...if you install,, say inkscape... from the repository ..it wil also pull down necessary dependencies  it needs in order to run
[13:53] <coz_> petsounds, do you remember the error messages?
[13:53] <rconan> Noqq: that looks dodgy... apparently EEEs use those last two partitions for "Boot Booster" whatever that is
[13:54] <Noqq> rconan: Strange, there is a Netbook Remix for 9.04, why wouldn't I be able to install it?
[13:54] <petsounds> i forget but when i open add/remove programs it is asking for cd with ubuntu inside
[13:54] <coz_> petsounds,  ok and you have that cd correct?
[13:55] <Noqq> rconan: Or I could go and install everything in D:\. Then I still got 60gb left for Windows. and 60gb for Ubuntu.
[13:55] <cousin_luigi> hello
[13:55] <cousin_luigi> what is the update applet called?
[13:55] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  update-manager  ?
[13:56] <rconan> Noqq: that would work
[13:56] <cousin_luigi> coz_: I mean the one that appears in the tray
[13:56] <Noqq> rconan: Thank for help though, got driving lessons now.
[13:56] <petsounds> i insert that but no luck, still error. is there a way to install program without having internet connection? i try to download on getdeb.net but i can find vlc or inkscape there
[13:56] <rconan> Noqq: cool.. have fun
[13:56] <rconan> don't know if I'll be aroudn when you get back
[13:56] <petsounds> * can't
[13:56] <Noqq> rconan: Thanks! :)  And I will see how I will do that with D:\
[13:56] <rconan> but someone will be able to help
[13:56] <Ventero> cousin_luigi: update-manager?
[13:56] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  I believe that is part of the update-manager  not sure though
[13:57] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  update notification
[13:57] <wirechief> Nogg  you best have a external backup before you decide to modify that EEE  otherwise you could lose your windows and not have a recovery
[13:57] <coz_> cousin_luigi,   update-notifier
[13:57] <cousin_luigi> coz_: thanks
[13:58] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  no problem
[13:58]  * wirechief oh well.
[13:58] <cousin_luigi> coz_: oh..it was running already
[13:58] <cousin_luigi> but not notifying
[13:59] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  mmm   ok did you run update from the terminal?
[13:59] <cousin_luigi> coz_: yes
[13:59] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  it will be a sleeping process if that's what you mean
[13:59] <cousin_luigi> coz_: indeed, but updates stopped showing up
[14:00] <Ventero> cousin_luigi: You're talking about the little red arrow-notifier?
[14:00] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  could be there are none at this time you co uld  try  sudo apt-get update  then  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:00] <cousin_luigi> Ventero: I think so, cant' recall the exact colour atm
[14:00] <cousin_luigi> coz_: why dist-upgrade?
[14:00] <coz_> cousin_luigi,   Apt-get upgrade is useful for general maintenance. It looks at what is installed on your system, and updates it with the latest patches, etc.
[14:01] <coz_> cousin_luigi,   apt-get dist-upgrade will be able to remove packages in favor of other, higher priority packages. Both use the package manager so they both use package dependencies. You can run dist-upgrade for regular server maintenance if you want.
[14:01] <Ventero> Check gconf-editor for apps/update-notifier/ for auto_launch, if it's enabled, the arrow doesn't show up anymore - which is standard behaviour in Jaunty
[14:01] <cousin_luigi> could it be a glitch from this not being a clean install but an upgrade from intrepid?
[14:02] <petsounds> what about my question coz?
[14:02] <cousin_luigi> actually it stopped showing up since that switch
[14:02] <coz_> petsounds,  let me sroll back hold on
[14:02] <Ventero> Yeah, as I said, this is new standard behaviour in Jaunty, cousion_luigi
[14:02] <petsounds> ok
[14:02] <Ventero> See here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/332945
[14:02] <cousin_luigi> oh
[14:02] <coz_> petsounds,  let me check dependencies for inkscape hold on
[14:03] <petsounds> okay
[14:03] <Ventero> cousin_luigi: Running "gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false"
[14:03] <Ventero> will switch back to the old behaviour.
[14:04] <cousin_luigi> done
[14:04] <coz_> petsounds, ok here's what you do to find the dependencies   open synaptick package manager...hit Search.. type inkscape...when that comes up look below for the "Dependencies"  tab
[14:04] <coz_> petsounds, there is a whole list of them.. many of which are probably already onboard
[14:04] <Lasivian> sigh
[14:04] <Lasivian> the netbook image installs ext3 :S
[14:05] <cousin_luigi> may I inquire how is the update notifier useful in jaunty?
[14:06] <topyli> Lasivian: what's wrong with that?
[14:06] <panaggio> every time I start my computer, I have to go trhu single user netroot, then resume, so that I can use network
[14:06] <petsounds> coz_ : i write it down cause i'm not at her house right now, and after that?
[14:06] <cousin_luigi> bbl
[14:06] <panaggio> and my network manager does not show any network interfaces (and I have two)
[14:06] <Lasivian> topyli: slow SSD drives work much better with ext2
[14:06] <coz_> cousin_luigi,  well to notify you of updates....in all honesty I generally disable update notifications and simply rin ap-get update and dist-upgrade ...especiall on new version
[14:07] <topyli> Lasivian: that's debatable. ext3 happens to be default, you can easily change that
[14:07]  * topyli uses ext4
[14:07] <Lasivian> topyli: didn;t see an option in the image install
[14:07] <coz_> petsounds, well if you satisfy all of the dependencies it should install with no problems
[14:08] <coz_> petsounds, you might also want to download the inkscape deb pacakge to take home with you also
[14:08] <topyli> Lasivian: you have to do the partitioning manually
[14:08] <coz_> petsounds, or any of the applications that did not install from AptonCd
[14:08] <Lasivian> topyli: that's what I didn;t see an option for
[14:08] <Lasivian> retrying, I might have missed it
[14:08] <topyli> oh, that would be a problem then :\
[14:08] <deany> narrowed this wine bug down a little.  any wine type folder browser locks my pc up, not even RSEIUB works.  However, its only when I disable compiz effects, with them on its fine, and its also fine with them off if I disable "let window manager control windows" option in wine.#
[14:13]  * Lasivian lives dangerously and sets no swap partition
[14:13] <shaga> I have no swap either on my netbook
[14:13] <shaga> too scared on using swap on ssd
[14:13] <petsounds> coz_ : as far as i know inkscape is a substitue for corel, and i heard about wine which is can run corel draw on linux machine, she have dual boot computer. is there any different or feature that is not working if she using wine?
[14:14] <coz_> petsounds,  not sure what you mean.... inkscape,,, in my opinion .. is far superior for vector graphics
[14:15] <amikrop> mvo: Hello there. Yesterday, I upgraded to Jaunty RC. I am using nVidia (I was using nvidia-glx-new until Intrepid, when I had to switch to 173 according to a document I read). After my first boot with 9.04 I was forced to low graphics mode. I rebooted in recovery mode and did a xfix, then the screen resolution was OK. But I was using the nv open source driver. I started Hardware Drivers, selected "nvidia 173 driver [Recommended]" and h
[14:15] <amikrop> it "Activate". It siad Downloading and Installing the Driver, reached 100%, but the driver was still not activated.
[14:15] <Lasivian> what is the mount point for a primary partition, \ ?
[14:15] <shaga> /
[14:15] <Lasivian> er / I mean
[14:15] <Lasivian> thanks
[14:15] <deany> There is no accelerated ATI driver in jaunty ?  Its not showing one available
[14:15] <coz_> petsounds,  if she is used to corel  then perhaps..since it is dual boot.. she should just go into windows for that applications.. however  inkscape  does take a bit of time to get used to the interface  but then there are also thousands of tutorials for it online
[14:16] <amikrop> mvo: And everytime I make this attempt to activate the driver, I go to "low graphics mode" after the next boot, so I guess the driver gets partially installed.
[14:16] <shaga> if you have lots of space. it's cool to have /, /boot, /home and swap as a different partitions
[14:16] <shaga> but on my 8gb ssd(netbook), only going for /
[14:16] <amikrop> mvo: I explained my problem here yesterday, and I was told to file a bug report and let you know :-)
[14:16] <deany> ati aint supporting my mobility 9800 no more either, 9.3 is the last driver.. Im now legacy to them :)
[14:17] <Lasivian> shaga: yeah, 8gb aspire one here with 1.5 ram
[14:17] <deany> shame, because ati`s are much much better
[14:17] <shaga> I have only 0.5 ram but it doesnt bother me :)
[14:17] <shaga> but yeah, aspire one here also
[14:17] <Lasivian> damn what is this? Ubuntu is warning me about not making a swap partition
[14:17] <shaga> it sure does
[14:17] <Lasivian> that's soemthing I expect windows to do!
[14:17] <shaga> just press continue
[14:17] <shaga> it's rare that one doesnt want swap partition
[14:18] <deany> shaga, http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/09/04/four-tweaks-for-using-linux-with-solid-state-drives/
[14:18] <Lasivian> and that my password is only 6 characters.. geez
[14:18] <Lasivian> shaga: it's the principle of the thing!
[14:18] <petsounds> coz_ : her windows are full with viruses from her campus. anyway i'm going to her house later and do what you teach me with dependacies thing. thanks
[14:18] <Lasivian> shaga: Linux is supposed to say "yes ma'am!" even if it proceeds to shit itself horribly! ;)
[14:18] <shaga> thanks deany didnt know all of those tricks :)
[14:19] <coz_> petsounds, ah ok
[14:19] <shaga> Lasivian: I see your point but it's targeted for masses nowadays ;)
[14:19] <shaga> and mass doesnt even know whats /
[14:19] <coz_> petsounds,  then  I would have her switch to inkscape or  just install over the windows installation
[14:21] <Lasivian> deany: I didn;t know about that 4th one, thanks
[14:21] <amikrop> mvo: that's the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/363872
[14:21] <Lasivian> shaga: I was assuming it was / but well, i'm a chick and I ask for confirmation from humans because *I* might well be wrong. If everyone did that the OS wouldn;t have to ;)
[14:22] <shaga> just for you to know, I wasnt talking about that you dont know.. it just gave me an idea for that example :)
[14:22] <Lasivian> of course, heh
[14:23] <Lasivian> unrelated issue, if one has a linux softraid can you easily add more disks to it?
[14:23] <shaga> but yeah, linux distributions has come a long way
[14:23] <shaga> I still remember that day when I installed my first linux. it was some old redhat. I went to the sound options, there was just text "nothing here, yet :)"
[14:24] <Lasivian> i'm thinking of moving a raid 5 from hardware to software in the near future
[14:24] <shaga> or something similiar
[14:24] <Lasivian> I tried Redhat but LILO and I never got along well
[14:24] <shaga> this happend like 10 years ago or so
[14:25] <shaga> no idea on that raid thing but hope you get some help :)
[14:26] <petsounds> coz_ : it's kinda embarassing but sometimes we doing webcam chat back when i use windows, it's almost one year ago since i migrating to linux and i found that my Creative webcam doesn't work so we can't chat with mebcam anymore. if u don't mind can guide me to make my cam work under linux?
[14:26] <Lasivian> yeah, my redhat attempt was about a decade ago too, after that I had a freebsd web server for about 4 years, but I didn;t try that on my notebook, i'm not masochistic enough
[14:27] <Lasivian> I want my notebook webcam to take a picture every minute and email it to me
[14:27] <shaga> haha, some are :D
[14:27] <Lasivian> so if someone steals my notebook it reports who did it
[14:28] <shaga> would be cool if touchpad could get fingerprints
[14:28] <Lasivian> a keylogger that mails it's data back would be nice too
[14:28] <Lasivian> i'm considering not requiring a login for just that reason
[14:28] <Lasivian> so whoever finds it would use it not knowing it's sending me their data
[14:28] <shaga> :)
[14:28] <coz_> petsounds, not sure guy which cam is it?
[14:29] <petsounds> you mean my webcam brand?
[14:29] <coz_> petsounds,  yes  and model number
[14:30] <petsounds> creative web cam chat
[14:30] <petsounds> sorry, creative live cam chat
[14:30] <coz_> petsounds, hold on
[14:30] <petsounds> sure thing
[14:31] <deany> Looks like im back to intrepid if I cant play a decent 3D game (no driver for my ATI anymore, and the open source one isnt an option as far as 3D performance goes).
[14:33] <mvo> amikrop: if that happend during a intrepid->jaunty upgrade, please attach /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log as well
[14:33] <coz_> petsounds,  do you have an application to view that cam in chat?  perhaps  pidgin  and to test it you may want to install camorama to see if the system is picking it up
[14:33] <petsounds> i'm using kopete
[14:33] <petsounds> and it say device/generic
[14:33] <coz_> petsounds, oh you are running KDE?
[14:33] <petsounds> yes sir
[14:34] <coz_> petsounds,  and does Kopete have a video window ?
[14:34] <petsounds> yes
[14:34] <coz_> petsounds, does the cam work in that video window?
[14:34] <coz_> do you see a picture
[14:34] <amikrop> mvo: ok
[14:34] <petsounds> no just black screen
[14:35] <coz_> petsounds, was there a waringin when you opened Kopete that the camera could not be found?
[14:35] <coz_> petsounds,  check in the Kopete preferences  you may be able to start it from there howver... i am not up on all of the web cams supported on ubuntu
[14:35] <coz_> but I am googling :)
[14:36] <petsounds> ok wait
[14:37] <amikrop> mvo: done
[14:37] <coz_> petsounds,  the only problem with creative products is that they are created for window use,,, and if it does not work you will have to discuss this with someone more familiar with cam driver installations onubuntu than me.
[14:37] <petsounds> kopete detected that web cam is connected but still no display
[14:38] <coz_> petsounds, mm
[14:39] <coz_> petsounds,  this may help but from what I read it is iffy at best   http://www.rastageeks.org/ov51x-jpeg/index.php/Ov51xJpegHackedInstall
[14:39] <petsounds> well okay, but can u recommend what brand of webcam which is run under linux?
[14:39] <andresmh> after updating my Jaunty installation I cannot longer use Compiz. I get "Desktop effects cannot be enabled". Any ideas?
[14:39] <coz_> petsounds,   logitech  cams seems to work well
[14:39] <coz_> petsounds,  let me see if I can find a list of known cams for ubuntu hold on
[14:39] <DASPRiD> andersk, what does compiz --replace in the console say?
[14:40] <petsounds> ok logitech then
[14:40] <coz_> petsounds,  here is one article  http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2008/03/28/webcams-that-just-work-with-ubuntu/
[14:40] <petsounds> thanks
[14:41] <coz_> petsounds,  another probably more reliable  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams
[14:41] <petsounds> i don't know if skype run under linux
[14:41] <petsounds> he..he
[14:41] <coz_> petsounds,  yes skype has a linux version
[14:41] <petsounds> oh thanks god
[14:42] <coz_> petsounds,  you may also want to at least read through this   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[14:42] <wirechief> abdresmh  are you using intel945 graphics ?
[14:42] <andresmh> wirechief, yes
[14:42] <wirechief> andresmh: compiz has been disabled because the intel945 has been blacklisted there is a freeze bug currently being worked on to resolve the issue
[14:43] <coz_> petsounds, if you are unfamiliar with any of the commands  talked about there  dont do them until you can discuss it withj someone... you can also go to #linux   channel in case no one here is avaiable for that particular issue    I am not sure they can help but   mulitiple channels can sometimes be an advantage when troubleshooting
[14:43] <andresmh> wirechief, well, actually this is what lspci returns: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[14:43] <petsounds> yes sir
[14:44] <wirechief> andresmh: ok well if you have any questions on freezes see bug 359392
[14:44] <andresmh> wirechief, is there a way I can revert to the version of compiz that was working?
[14:45] <wirechief> andresmh: its not compiz, its mesa 7.4 that is causing the trouble
[14:45] <wirechief> andresmh check out the link to the bug for more information
[14:45] <petsounds> coz_ : how to install skype is it with sudo apt-get install skype?
[14:45] <DanaG> petsounds: not only does Creative not support Linux... they didn't even support Windows Vista for nearly a full year after its release.  Oh, and they still produce and SELL products that they've "Discontinued" and "Desupported"!
[14:45] <DanaG> So yeah, ditch Creative.
[14:46] <coz_> petsounds,  I believe it is yes but let me check hold on
[14:46] <DanaG> didn't support Vista _well_, that is.
[14:46] <coz_> petsounds, oo aparently not hold on
[14:46] <petsounds> DanaG : yes sure, but i can play Creative Prodikeys under linux
[14:47] <petsounds> ok coz
[14:48] <coz_> guys is there a skype package available for jaunty?
[14:50] <coz_> petsounds,  generally skype is in the repository but I am not seeing it here
[14:50] <petsounds> coz, i can download skype for linux on their official site
[14:50] <Ventero> It's in the medibuntu-repository
[14:51] <petsounds> the one with .deb, right?
[14:51] <coz_> petsounds,  yes but you know  pidgin is already installed on ubuntu which is not proprietary and that should work just as well
[14:51] <petsounds> can i install pidgin on kde?
[14:51] <coz_> petsounds,  yes you will need the .deb pacakge unless you want to compile it manually
[14:51] <coz_> petsounds,  oh I for got you are on KDE  I dont know
[14:52] <coz_> petsounds,  hold on let me see if kde has an equivlelant
[14:52] <petsounds> okay
[14:53] <coz_> petsounds, actually go to  #kde   channel they are far better equipped to talk about kde applications
[14:53] <coz_> petsounds,  just   /join #kde
[14:53] <coz_> petsounds, from what I am reading skype for linux has issues right now
[14:53] <icewaterman> did anyone manage to run googleearth on jaunty (amd64)?
[14:54] <Lasivian> I wish we could make the system usage graph the background somehow
[14:54] <Lasivian> certainly would be unobtrusive then
[14:54] <coz_> Lasivian,  graph the backgroun?
[14:54] <coz_> background
[14:55] <Lasivian> coz_: have the background be the graph of cpu/mem usage
[14:55] <petsounds> ok i will coz
[14:55] <Ventero> Lasivian: Try conky :P
[14:55] <coz_> Lasivian,  yikes  wouldnt that be gpu/cpu intensive?
[14:56] <Lasivian> coz_: probably, i'm just brainstorming
[14:56] <coz_> petsounds,  yeah I dont want to sound like I am pushing you away but having #kde   #linux  #ubuntu  #ubuntu+1 # compiz   etc  as regularly visited channels opensmore opportunity to solve issues
[14:56] <coz_> Lasivian, ah I see :)
[14:56] <Lasivian> two tiny colored lines in the panel bar would be cool as well
[14:56] <coz_> Lasivian, so full screen system monitor?
[14:57] <Lasivian> unobtrusive but obvious
[14:57] <petsounds> no its okay coz
[14:57] <Lasivian> giving it a tiny section of the panel bar wastes space to not show much data really
[14:59] <gravityreloaded> can any1 help me get my files to browse again?
[14:59] <gravityreloaded> i click my computer
[14:59] <gravityreloaded> then it tries ... and gives up
[15:00] <andresmh> wirechief, can I just revert the mesa files prior to the blacklisting?
[15:01] <gravityreloaded> not even anerror msg
[15:01] <Ned2> does Jaunty come with the newest version of virtualbox?
[15:02] <ikonia> !info vbox
[15:02] <ikonia> !info virtual-box
[15:02] <ikonia> typical
[15:02] <ikonia> hang on
[15:02] <Ned2> ok
[15:02] <gravityreloaded> it does exist actuallt
[15:02] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: I know it does, the name is wrong
[15:02] <ikonia> !info virtualbox
[15:03] <deany> there is no puel vbox for jaunty yet
[15:03] <Ventero> !info virtualbox-ose
[15:03] <gravityreloaded> I have virtual-box in jkaunty
[15:03] <ikonia> Ventero: thank you !
[15:03] <Ventero> No problem ;)
[15:03] <gravityreloaded> ubotto must be wrong hehe :)
[15:03] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: no, as I said the name I was using was wrong
[15:03] <Ned2> that's cool, thanks for the info guys
[15:03] <petsounds> coz_ : i think i'm gonna buy logitech webcam tomorrow, and i also want to buy tv tuner which is run under linux, can u tel me what brand and series of tv tuner which is run under linux?
[15:04] <ikonia> petsounds: http://www.linuxtv.org/
[15:04] <petsounds> i did googling but it confusing me
[15:04] <petsounds> to many brand
[15:04] <coz_> petsounds,  ooo that one I have no idea  hauphog maybe?? you may want to google    ubutnu tv tuner cards
[15:04] <coz_> haupaug
[15:04] <coz_> not sure how that is spelled
[15:04] <ikonia> petsounds: too many ? that just means you have a selection to chose from
[15:05] <petsounds> i just want to know what people here usually use
[15:05] <ikonia> haupage
[15:05] <gravityreloaded> ikonia can I have a little help in this room? I don't have a lot of time... back to work soon!! - inlunch break
[15:05] <ikonia> petsounds: it doesn't matter what people use
[15:05] <petsounds> haupage
[15:05] <petsounds> okay
[15:05] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: ask, if someone knows, they will answer
[15:05] <coz_> petsounds, thats not a guarantee it will work though
[15:05] <gravityreloaded> i did
[15:05] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: then no-one knows
[15:05] <petsounds> why?
[15:05] <coz_> petsounds,  I did have a haupauge once that worked
[15:05] <gravityreloaded> if you prefer I'll come c~back tomorrow
[15:05] <ikonia> petsounds: read the link I sent you
[15:05] <coz_> petsounds,  but this takes a bit of research hold on
[15:06] <gravityreloaded> try again - I have no hurry
[15:06] <petsounds> ok to you both
[15:06] <petsounds> hmm, how about nvidia?
[15:06] <ikonia> what about it ?
[15:06] <petsounds> is it okay?
[15:07] <ikonia> certain cards are better supported than others
[15:07] <ikonia> !nvidia | petsounds
[15:07] <coz_> petsounds,  there are expensive cards like this   http://pchdtv.com/
[15:07] <coz_> petsounds,   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100021
[15:07] <petsounds> $114 out of budget. he..he
[15:08] <ikonia> guys, try ##hardware
[15:08] <petsounds> i am looking for tv tuner for about $50
[15:08] <ikonia> petsounds: try ##hardware - read the links I gave you
[15:08] <coz_> petsounds, yeah :)   but if you keep googling  or take ikonia 's suggestion  you will find one   but I wouldnt rush into it until you are sure it is a good working card
[15:08] <coz_> petsounds, same for the webcams
[15:09] <coz_> ok   I have to break here
[15:09] <kane77> hi
[15:10] <petsounds> ikonia, what tv tuner you have?
[15:10] <ikonia> petsounds: it doesn't matter - read the link I sent you to select what YOU want
[15:11] <kane77> I have problem with tracker.. it always gives me this warning: There was error while performing indexing: Index corrupted, what do I do about it?
[15:11] <petsounds> i mean if you have tv tuner that work, i'll have the same as you
[15:13] <petsounds> i once have telebit with phillips chipset saa713 but seems not work under ubuntu/kubuntu.
[15:15] <ikonia> petsounds: the URL I sent you explains what works and what doesn't and the limitations
[15:18] <deany> whats the state of play with the default ati driver in jaunty and playin a game like ut2004?  or do I need to wait for fglrx to be released (its now considered a legacy card too..)
[15:19] <petsounds> ikonia, i'm going with hauppauge.
[15:19] <petsounds> it's affordable
[15:19] <ikonia> ok
[15:29] <Lasivian> sigh
[15:29] <Lasivian> all that headache for nothing
[15:29] <Lasivian> looks like the webcam issue I upgraded to try and fix was hardware related
[15:30] <Tecna1> I'm noticing a pattern with my system, and I'm wondering if anyone else is experiencing this...
[15:30] <Lasivian> something in the connector for the screen got screwed when I tok the laptop apart
[15:30] <victim> no, I don't have your system ;)
[15:30] <Tecna1> victim: lo- wait that wasn't funny.
[15:32] <Tecna1> anyway... I'm using the 9.04 RC and filesystems appear to be busy when they really aren't
[15:32] <Tecna1> this keeps me from modifying them, including umount
[15:33] <Lasivian> and my bluetooth is still broken
[15:34]  * Lasivian sighs
[15:34] <Tecna1> can anyone else verify this please?
[15:34] <ikonia> Tecna1: keeps you from modifying them ?
[15:34] <ikonia> Tecna1: in what way mofidying ?
[15:36] <atlef> crap, BANKID no longer works in firefox. something broke it. *need to google*
[15:36] <Tecna1> ikonia: for example, truecrypt can't create hidden volumes because it says the filesystem is busy.
[15:37] <saeva> yo
[15:37] <saeva> where the hell is Tor in jaunty?
[15:37] <ikonia> saeva: in the repos ?
[15:37] <amikrop> mvo: If you need some more information, or have any progress, please, let me know. ;-)
[15:37] <ikonia> Tecna1: doesn't truecrypt need exclusive locking ?
[15:37] <Tecna1> but the biggest problem is that i can't umount
[15:38] <saeva> ahem
[15:38] <saeva> ikonia: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=tor&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[15:38] <ikonia> Tecna1: what does fuser $mount_point say ?
[15:38] <ikonia> saeva: ok - there is your answer, it's not in jaunty
[15:39] <saeva> ikonia: damn you smartass-and unhelpful-when-wrong-sourpuss!
[15:39] <ikonia> saeva: please control yourself, that's uncalled for
[15:40] <ikonia> I'm looking to see if it's being replaced at the moment for you
[15:41] <Noq> Do I get Dual Boot when I have Windows installed at C:\, and I install Ubuntu on my NTFS D:\ drive?
[15:42] <Ventero> Heh, torbutton-extension recommends the packet tor, which isn't availabe :D
[15:42] <Pici> Noq: Ubuntu does not support being installed on an NTFS partition, you'd need to format to something else (ext3)
[15:42] <ikonia> yup, looks like it's not been packaged yet/at all
[15:42] <Noq> Pici: I understood that one, sorry that I explained it wrong.
[15:43] <Noq> But do I get Dual Boot this way?
[15:43] <histo> ughhh pulseaudio still all buggered up.  Drops audio after playing a few minutes of urban terror.
[15:43] <Lasivian> anyone else find the desktop of the netbook img more like a straightjacket?
[15:44] <Ventero> Any idea why my mouse-cursor is lagging when I'm downloading something and any progress-window (i.e. Firefox' download-window/update-manager) is open?
[15:52] <ghabit> Hello. I need help. I cannot finish download iimage with jigdo because of this http://pastebin.com/d13e0aee9 errors, advise me plese.
[15:52] <ghabit> I am using this http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-rc-alternate-i386.jigdo jigdo file
[15:53] <sdg> Where can I get a Jaunty installer for my 256MB USB drive?
[15:54] <ghabit> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[15:55] <sdg> ghabit: I've already looked there.
[15:55] <sdg> ghabit: I don't want UNR.
[15:55] <sdg> ghabit: I want Ubuntu.
[15:55] <ghabit> UNR?
[15:56] <atlef> sdg: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/jaunty/
[15:56] <sdg> ghabit: Where can I get a Jaunty installer for my 256MB USB drive?
[15:56] <sdg> atlef: Thanks.
[15:56] <atlef> sdg: you are welcome
[15:57] <ghabit> Anyone knows about issue with jigdo?
[15:57] <sdg> Now I just need to figure out how to put the netboot onto my USB...
[15:57] <atlef> sdg: unetbootin
[15:57] <sdg> atlef: I tried that.
[15:58] <sdg> atlef: It doesn't have an option for 9.04 netboot
[15:58] <atlef> sdg: download the right iso from the link i gave you and point unetbootin to that
[15:59] <syockit> sdg: it has an option for custom iso
[15:59] <Raulin> My laptopfan stopped working after a recent upgrade from hardy -> jaunty. Is there any sort of fancontrol in linux?
[16:00] <cellofellow> why is the package "tor" not available in jaunty?
[16:00] <sdg> syockit: Ah yes. :)
[16:01] <cellofellow> !info tor jaunty
[16:01] <syockit> !info tor intrepid
[16:01] <syockit> hmm, probably they messed up the packaging and didn't manage to repair it in time
[16:02] <syockit> probably you have to wait for backports
[16:02] <syockit> i.e. if they ever package one
[16:02] <cellofellow> :(
[16:02] <cellofellow> can they fix it?
[16:02] <drbobb> i'm wondering whether it's possible to downgrade Xorg to a previous version, without downgrading/breaking the rest of jaunty
[16:03] <Skapare> drbobb: I know a way to find out
[16:03] <drbobb> yeah, try it - igues
[16:03] <drbobb> s
[16:03] <ghabit> atlef: netboot iso is 11 mb size? Or I am mistake?
[16:04] <syockit> drbobb: you have to downgrade the whole xorg family, mesa/dri/glx stuff included. that is, if the de (gnome/kde) do not depend on newer xorg, which I think is the case
[16:04] <drbobb> what is the case: that they depend, or that they don't?
[16:04] <Skapare> ghabit: sounds about right
[16:04] <Noqq> Is it usefull to have 50gb with Ubuntu?
[16:05] <Skapare> Noqq: 50GB for package files?  no ... for your own data, maybe ... movies use up space fast
[16:05] <trappist> hey I just did apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and I've got a bunch of updates but it didn't have to download them.  is my box downloading package updates while I'm not looking?
[16:06] <Noqq> What if I put from those 50gb, like 30gb back in C:\ (where Windows is installed)
[16:06] <Noqq> Is there a chance it might get my C:\ corrupted?
[16:06] <Skapare> Noqq: your choice ... put your space where you need it
[16:06] <drbobb> my problem being that support for my video chip has regressed seriously, and it's not likely to be fixed anytime soon
[16:07] <Skapare> Noqq: if windows formats it, I would not call that corrupted, but just lost data
[16:07] <Skapare> drbobb: so try a backversion .deb for it and see
[16:08] <drbobb> yep that's what I'll do. My point in asking is, maybe it's obvious to someone that can't work, and I would be just wasting my time
[16:08] <atlef> ghabit: yes it is, and you have to install every thing but the base packages yourself. take a look at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[16:09] <syockit> drbobb: I used to downgrade xorg to hardy version when I was on Intrepid. It was a kind of pain, but somehow worked out
[16:09] <syockit> drbobb: about the case, gnome/kde usually won't depend on latest version of xorg from my experience
[16:09] <drbobb> syockit: ok thanks
[16:10] <Tecna1> Noqq: I actually prefer to have a separate partition (better yet, a separate drive) for personal data, so I don't have to backup and restore when changing OSs
[16:10] <syockit> drbobb: you can use aptitude and explore breaking packages. add intrepid as source, and try marking xorg packages to previous version
[16:11] <drbobb> the hardy version worked pretty much ok for me, the current one makes it pretty much impossible to watch videos or movies - too much flicker
[16:11] <Noqq> I shrinked my D:\, now I got some 'unallocated' space, How do I get this free space to my C:\?
[16:11] <zoggy> Noqq: resize the c:\
[16:12] <Tecna1> Noqq: gparted can also grow your "C:\"
[16:13] <Noqq> zoggy: No, I want my C:\ file to be bigger, cause I don't want my D:\ (where I'm gonna install Ubuntu) to be so big.
[16:13] <Tecna1> Noqq: do you know what "resize" means?
[16:13] <Noqq> Techna1: Yes, make it biger/smaller. But somehow I can't see the optino to make it bigger.
[16:13] <syockit> Noqq: depending on where the unalloc space is created, you probably have to move D:\ to the end
[16:15] <Tecna1> Noqq: what partition editor are you using?
[16:15] <Noqq> For your information.. I want C:\ (where Windows is installed) to be bigger. So I shrinked my D:\ (wich is mpty, NTFS, wich is gonna be for Ubuntu) to place that free space to C:\. So my D:\ isn'that big, so I don't leave behind usefull space.
[16:15] <Noqq> Tecna1: The one built-in at live cd from Ubuntu
[16:16] <Tecna1> Noqq: you've already been told once that Ubuntu cannot be installed to NTFS
[16:16] <Noqq> Tecna1: I know, but I make the D:\ .ext3
[16:17] <Noqq> I just first want some space from D:\ to C:\.
[16:17] <Tecna1> and why are you calling them "C:\" and "D:\"?
[16:17] <Noqq> Because they are called like that...
[16:17] <syockit> Noqq: try installing gparted during live cd. it should install the required things for resizing ntfs partition. use that instead of the installer built-in
[16:17] <Tecna1> are you trying to install a wubi?
[16:17] <Noqq> No.
[16:17] <histo> Noqq: use gparted from the live cd
[16:18] <histo> !who | Noqq
[16:18] <Noqq> I got GParted in front of me now.
[16:18] <Noqq> !tab
[16:18] <histo> Noqq: then you should be able to resize the partitions
[16:19] <syockit> Noqq: hmm, on jaunty live, I assume? strange if it won't allow ntfs enlarge...
[16:19] <Noqq> histo: Somehow I can't. I shrinked one disk, that unallocated space I want to be added to C:\.
[16:19] <histo> Noqq: then you would have to expand the parittion to use the unallocated space
[16:19] <Tecna1> Noqq: If you're running a live cd, then there is no "C:\" nor "D:\"
[16:19] <syockit> Noqq: btw, where is the unallocated space located? between C: and D:, or after D:?
[16:19] <Tecna1> I call troll.
[16:19] <histo> Tecna1: there is if he's resizing ntfs
[16:19] <Noqq> After D:\
[16:19] <histo> or fat32
[16:20] <syockit> Noqq: then you have to move the partition. i don't remember if there is an option to move...
[16:20] <histo> Noqq: resize the C: and expand it to use the remaining free space.
[16:20] <Noqq> Tecna1: It's right in front of me. 2 NTFS drives. C:\ and D:\.
[16:20] <sdg> syockit: It complains with "missing operating system" :(
[16:21] <Tecna1> besides, why do you have an NTFS where you're preparing to install Ubuntu?
[16:21] <Noqq> Tecna1: Because I havn't done anything yet. I needed help, so I joined this channel.
[16:21] <syockit> sdg: what, how? what did you install/uninstall? did you make sure aptitude doesn't complain of any breakage?
[16:21] <Noqq> Tecna1: I first want the resizing done, then I format the D:\ to get Ubuntu on it.
[16:22] <sdg> syockit: It won't boot.
[16:22] <Tecna1> Noqq: alright... then lets start from the begining...
[16:22] <Noqq> Tecna1: Thanks.
[16:22] <Tecna1> Noqq: is "D:\" empty, or at least backed up?
[16:22] <Noqq> Tecna1: All empty.
[16:22] <Tecna1> Noqq: Delete it
[16:23] <syockit> sdg: that's very bad indeed. Probably it removed the most essential packages for booting. you have to use live cd for repairing... lots of chrooting
[16:23] <Noqq> Tecna1: Delete? Hm.. u sure?
[16:23] <sdg> syockit: The USB won't boot.
[16:23] <sdg> syockit: So it won't install.
[16:23] <Noqq> Tecna1: Don't get me wrong, I trust you.
[16:23] <syockit> sdg: eh?
[16:23] <syockit> sdg: oh, you're the one with the netboot...
[16:24] <Tecna1> Noqq: If it's empty, then it's just getting in the way while you modify C:\
[16:24] <sdg> syockit: Yes.
[16:24] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok, lemme delete it.
[16:25] <Noqq> Tecna1: Deleted.
[16:25] <Tecna1> Noqq:  then please verify for me that you're using gparted.  what does your title bar say?
[16:26] <Noqq> Tecna1: /dev/sda - GParted
[16:26] <Tecna1> (if you're not using gparted, the next step can mess things up)
[16:26] <Tecna1> alright.
[16:26] <Noqq> Tecna1: :)
[16:26] <Pici> Noqq: Are you using Jaunty?
[16:27] <Noqq> Pici: Yes, just downloaded the .iso from 9.04, booting right now from usb.
[16:27] <syockit> sdg: I suppose you downloaded mini.iso ?
[16:27] <sdg> syockit: Yes.
[16:27] <Tecna1> Noqq: wait a couple minutes while I load up gparted so I'm not leading blindly
[16:28] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok
[16:28] <spanisheyessmile> hello all
[16:28] <Lasivian> hrrm
[16:28] <Lasivian> I booted and all I see is the background
[16:30] <Tecna1> Noqq: is C:\ at the begining of your drive?
[16:30] <syockit> sdg: it seems over these years netboot has become a bit more complex than the one I used to do. I need to look into it further...
[16:31] <spanisheyessmile> I have a question that someone might have some answers to but I must say firstly that I have only just begun to use linux
[16:31] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ye
[16:31] <Lasivian> hrrm, I have no panels
[16:32] <Lasivian> how can I add a panel to gnome via keyboard
[16:32] <Tecna1> Noqq: select it and choose the resize option
[16:33] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ow hey! Now I can see that the bar can be extended!
[16:34] <Noqq> Tecna1: Now were getting somewhere. I want to have 25gb left on the drive that I'm gonna make for Ubuntu.. so lemme calculate how much I need to put on C:\.
[16:34] <Tecna1> Noqq: that's because you deleted "D:\" which was in the way.
[16:34] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ye, too much partitions probably? However, lemme see how mcuh I need to put on C:\ to let D:\ have 25gb left.
[16:35] <PerryArmstrong> this is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/154774/  i am not able to upgrade to 9.04 beta version..i get errors from the sources.list... can anyone help
[16:35] <Tecna1> Noqq: when you create a new partition for Ubuntu, It will not be called "D:\"
[16:35] <Tecna1> Calling it that is a habit you need to break.
[16:36] <daveDev>  i am in need to reinstall ubuntu with encrypted hard drive. I'm debating if i should install the release candidate of ubuntu9 or should i just wait till the final release. will i be able to just update automatically when the final release comes out without having to reinstall?
[16:36] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok sorry. :( But it's loading the new drives now. Than I guess it's time to format the new drive we made to .ext3/4?
[16:37] <Tecna1> Noqq: we haven't gotten to the step to create the new drive yet until just now.
[16:37] <Tecna1> did you skip ahead?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> daveDev: If you update jaunty, it will be the same as the final by that time. There is no need to reinstall the final version
[16:37] <daveDev> thanks
[16:38] <PerryArmstrong> this is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/154774/  i am not able to upgrade to 9.04 beta version..i get errors from the sources.list... can anyone help
[16:38] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ow. I don't know. I filled in the amount I wanted to be added to my Windows drive (wich is now 119gb), now I applied that and got 25gb left of unallocated space.
[16:38] <syockit> PerryArmstrong: can you comment out the lines with deb cdrom (by inserting # at the start of the line) and try sudo apt-get update
[16:39] <daveDev> what would be the best way to encrypt your harddrive with jaunty (with dual booth if possiable). if you could point me to a good thread i'd really appricate it
[16:40] <tedcr> Any help would be appreciated.  I have am having trouble running emacs when I login remotely.  I am getting a message "undefined color: black" (this is true even in the gnome terminal).  I saw some threads referring to this, but I didn't see any work around.
[16:40] <Tecna1> Noqq: now create a new partition in the unallocated space
[16:40] <Raulin> Crap, my laptopfan won't start at all, if I echo 0 > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state the return is "ACPI: Device does not support D1"
[16:40] <Tecna1> DON'T format to NTFS
[16:40] <syockit> tedcr: is it in the list of known bugs (on launchpad)?
[16:41] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ye, I'm in the partition menu now.
[16:41] <Tecna1> Noqq: format it to ext3
[16:42] <tedcr> syockit: I am not sure--but there were related issues with x that were listed there
[16:43] <Tecna1> ext4 is not yet completely stable in jaunty, but will be in the final release 3 days from now.  you should be able to convert after updating
[16:43] <Noqq> Tecna1: Will it be a primary partition? And what do fill in at the 'Following MiBs', 'MiBs Used', 'Precending MiBs'?
[16:44] <Tecna1> Noqq: make it primary, and leave "Following MiBs" at "0" and "MiBs Used" at maximum
[16:45] <Noqq> Tecna1: It's now set at: 0 preceding space, 25002 new space, 0 free space following
[16:45] <tedcr> syockit: it is bug #358678
[16:45] <Lasivian> what files do I pull from my old backup to make the gnome desktop look like it used to?
[16:46] <Noqq> Tecna1: Do I need to label it?
[16:46] <Tecna1> Noqq: after creating the partition, format it to ext3 and then continue with your install.  I suspect you'll have some questions about that, so feel free to ask when you get to it.
[16:46] <Tecna1> Noqq: labeling is a good idea
[16:46] <Tecna1> make it unique
[16:46] <spanisheyessmile> sorry, I have a complicated question and it is probably far out of my knowledge so I will need newbie step by step
[16:46] <Tecna1> Noqq: I suggest "Jaunty"
[16:46] <Noqq> Tecna1: Call it something like Udrive (ubuntu-drive) is something normal?
[16:47] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok, I know what you mean.
[16:47]  * Lasivian grovels
[16:47] <mbeierl> spanisheyessmile: !ask
[16:47] <mbeierl> !asl
[16:47] <mbeierl> !ask
[16:47] <Lasivian> I can;t do anything, my desktop is totally blank after I installed Jaunty
[16:48] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok! It's made, starting up installation.
[16:50] <spanisheyessmile> ok, I am running a dual boot system with windows vista and ubuntu. I had no problem the first time I used ubuntu with my wireless card (atheros 5007eg) and the internet worked perfectly but when I went to use it again, it does not connect to internet at all
[16:50] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok, I'm partition part of installation. Now I just highlight the Jaunty I made, and click Forward?
[16:50] <DASPRiD> Lasivian, gtweakui (install if required) -> system -> preferences -> gtweakui - nautilus -> use nautilus to show desktop
[16:50] <DASPRiD> something like that
[16:50] <Tecna1> Noqq: no.  hold on
[16:50] <Lasivian> dashua: I have no panel, so no menus :P
[16:51] <Tecna1> Noqq: it should say something about manual partitioning somewhere
[16:51] <Lasivian> just a blank desktop and a terminal window
[16:51]  * Lasivian sighs
[16:52] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ye, I knew about that option. I'm in the Advanced section, to choose a partition manually.
[16:52] <Tecna1> yes, choose manual.
[16:52] <Tecna1> oh jeeze... we forgot one thing
[16:53] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ye?
[16:53] <Tecna1> Noqq: go back to gparted
[16:53] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok, abort installation I assume?
[16:53] <Tecna1> yes
[16:53] <Tecna1> Noqq: how much RAM do you have?
[16:53] <Noqq> Tecna1: And don't worry mate, youre great help.
[16:53] <Noqq> Tecna1: Only 1gb of RAM, it's on a netbook.
[16:54] <mbeierl> spanisheyessmile: sorry, I am not an expert in the atheros cards
[16:54] <mbeierl> can anyone here help out?
[16:54] <mbeierl> !atheros
[16:54] <Tecna1> Noqq: use gparted to shrink your windows partition by 2 gb
[16:54] <Tecna1> wait
[16:54] <wirechief> spanisheyessmile: i would try useing dhclient eth1 or eth0  and see what happens
[16:54] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok
[16:55] <Tecna1> yeah, shrink it 2 gb
[16:55] <wirechief> spanisheyessmile: but do read the WifiDocs  they are a good read.
[16:55] <spanisheyessmile> wirechief:aren't those for ethernet?? thanks mbeirel and I will look at that ubottu
[16:55] <Tecna1> Noqq: then create a partition in there and format it to linux swap
[16:56] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok, got 2gb of unallocated space again.
[16:56] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok.
[16:56]  * Lasivian finally figures out what can be done
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: really?
[16:56] <Noqq> Tecna1: Aaaw damn.. the same error again. Not more than 4 partitions.
[16:56] <wirechief> spanisheyessmile: sometimes it wireless needs a kick ....but read the docs
[16:57] <Tecna1> Noqq: that's weird.  do you have other partitions?
[16:57] <spanisheyessmile> wirechief: I am going to read those but I am so new to ubuntu that sometimes it is like reading french
[16:58] <wirechief> spanisheyessmile: well the command i gave you will give more information about what is going on with your wifi too.
[16:58] <Tecna1> Noqq: what are your other partitions?
[16:58] <wirechief> spanisheyessmile: i suspect your essid is not known and it gives up trying to find it.
[16:58] <Noqq> tecna1: one with 41mb, and some Unknown one.
[16:59] <wirechief> spanisheyessmile: i right click the network icon next to the time and see if it needs it
[16:59] <Noqq> Tecna1: a FAT32 one with 5gbs and a Unknown one with 41mb.
[16:59] <Noqq> Tecna1: And then you got the the main one with windows, and the one we made for ubuntu.
[17:00] <PerryArmstrong> syockit; while upgrading i get an error that some third party sources have not been found...any idea about that
[17:00] <Tecna1> Noqq: this is why I hate preconfigured machines
[17:00] <wirechief> Tecna1: might be a recovery partition for his EE
[17:00] <spanisheyessmile> wirechief:I am assuming iwconfig???
[17:00] <Tecna1> wirechief: I know
[17:00] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: well, I was stuck at a desktop with no panels, so I was just a tad stuck :P
[17:00] <Tecna1> Noqq: I know a way around that
[17:00] <Noqq> wirechief: Ye, someone said something like that before. But I don't know if it's safe to delete it.
[17:01] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: not even alt+F2?
[17:01] <Lasivian> now, let's see if it works
[17:01] <wirechief> Nogg i wouldnt unless i had it fully backed up.
[17:01] <shadeslayer> wirechief: it might be a EISA partition
[17:01] <Tecna1> Noqq: grow your ext3 partition to fill your unallocated space
[17:01] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: I got a terminal window up and copied the .gconf .gconfd and .gnome2 from my backup disk
[17:01] <wirechief> spanisheyessmile: sure you can do that in a terminal ifconfig  and see if you have a ip and a essid
[17:02] <Tecna1> guys, I got this.  I'm just going to have him set up a swap file
[17:02] <shadeslayer> heh,fancy,i would have simply deleted them and let gnome make new ones instead
[17:02] <Noqq> Tecna1: So back to what we first made?
[17:02] <Tecna1> Noqq: no
[17:02] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: alt-f2 ran things, but it's a tad hard to fix gnome from commandline :P
[17:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[17:02] <Tecna1> Noqq: the result needs to be 2gb extra space on the ext3 partition
[17:02] <mkulke> hello, i just updated to the rc, and everything seems quite ok, but alt-f2 isn't working any more
[17:02] <Tecna1> oh crap
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: true,but not if you know which keys to press ;)
[17:03] <wirechief> shadeslayer: im not familar with EE system pc's and their partitioning  might be a question for google ;)
[17:03] <Tecna1> I have to leave in a few minutes
[17:03] <ienorand> mkulke: for gnome-run?
[17:03] <PerryArmstrong> while upgrading i get an error that some third party sources have not been found...any idea about that
[17:03] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: well I do not :)
[17:03] <Noqq> Tecna1: Ok. :(  Anyoneway, I now got the 25gb .ext3 drive again.
[17:03] <mkulke> ienorand: well for the dialog, where i can enter a line
[17:03] <Noqq> Anyhow*
[17:03] <Tecna1> Noqq: I'm going to PM the rest of the instructions
[17:03] <mkulke> probably gnome-run
[17:03] <Noqq> Tecna1: good, thanks
[17:03] <Lasivian> and it seems moving conf files failed too
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: well alt+F2 is a handy command to learn and i have a keybinding to start a terminal too :P
[17:04] <ienorand> mkulke: Try looking at keyboard shortcuts and see if it's set to something else/blanked.
[17:04] <Lasivian> it's not saving my gnome config when I exit
[17:04] <ienorand> By the way... There is no default keycombo to opent terminal is there?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: i mean using : rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity to reset everything in gnome
[17:05] <mkulke> ienorand: it says: "show the panels run dialog box" on Alt-F2 :/
[17:05] <shadeslayer> ienorand: not that i know of,its disabled from start
[17:05] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: there was a .gnome2 but no .gnome
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: that command takes care of everything
[17:06] <shadeslayer> for me that is,it resets everything in gnome
[17:06] <Lasivian> no, I want to move my gnome settings from my backup before I upgraded
[17:06] <Lasivian> and there is no default session file in gnome under 9.04 either
[17:06] <ienorand> shadeslayer: it annoys me greatly, since every livecd I get on has no keycombo for terminal...
[17:06] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: oh ok,no idea then
[17:06] <wirechief> ienorand:  you can use alt f2 then ask for xterm ;)
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ienorand: join the group
[17:06] <mkulke> is this alt-f2 happening to other users?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> use ctrl+alt+F1 for the biggest terminal
[17:07] <mkulke> or not happening rather :/
[17:07] <wirechief> mkulke: it works here..
[17:07] <PerryArmstrong> while upgrading i get an error that some third party sources have not been found...any idea about that
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: btw what did you do to start up ubuntu on that mini?
[17:08] <Lasivian> shadeslayer: burned a cd
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Lasivian: ah.....what happened to the USB?
[17:09] <PerryArmstrong> while upgrading i get an error that some third party sources have not been found...any idea about that
[17:09] <Lasivian> after I used 8.04 and dd to copy the img to a thumbdrive correctly
[17:09] <Lasivian> which loaded the notebook which I am currently fighting
[17:09] <ienorand> shadeslayer: Yea, true, but it's not very handy, really :)
[17:09] <Lasivian> am I finally past the newbie stage? heh
[17:09] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone help with upgrading to jaunty
[17:09] <shadeslayer> ienorand: i didnt say it was handy :P
[17:10] <wirechief> seems that usb-creator has been fixed with latest daily-build
[17:10] <shadeslayer> PerryArmstrong: please be patient
[17:10] <hallowname> PerryArmstrong: some repos you had added dont have jaunty repos yet i guess.. wait. or turn them off until after the upgrade.
[17:11] <BluesKaj> !pure gnome
[17:11] <ikonia> PerryArmstrong: if you read the upgrade notes you'd see it tell syou to disable 3rd party repos - how can you expect 3rd party packages to have active repo's for an OS that is not yet released
[17:11] <PerryArmstrong> hallowname; i think its with my settings or sources.list.. canyou check it at http://paste.ubuntu.com/154774/
[17:11] <ikonia> PerryArmstrong: it's nothing to do with your settings -
[17:12] <PerryArmstrong> ikonia; so what hallowname has said is the thing??
[17:13] <ikonia> PerryArmstrong: pretty much - it's detailed in the upgrade notes
[17:13] <PerryArmstrong> ikonia; thanks... and to you too hallowname
[17:15] <deany> if im wantin to play a 3d game (ut2004) in jaunty with an ati chipset that ati now deems obselete (argh), is there any point me upgrading or just stayin on intrepid with ati 9.3, or will there be a working fglrx?
[17:19] <JustinJoseph> Challenge Me - http://justinjg.mybrute.com :p
[17:20] <xnguard> Can anyone comment on the progress of getting #297213 resolved, or tell me what I can do to work around it in the meantime?
[17:21] <ikonia> xnguard: wait for the bug to be resolved, updates will appear in the bug report
[17:23] <xnguard> ikonia: It's been open kind of a long time now, and it sounds like a real simple fix.  But it still hasn't been touched, and I assume Jaunty GA's going to happen in the next week or so.
[17:23] <PerryArmstrong> ikonia; the exact error is third party sources disabled...and it asks me to enable it
[17:23] <ikonia> PerryArmstrong: I've explained the issue
[17:23] <ikonia> PerryArmstrong: and explained where it is detailed/explained
[17:23] <ikonia> xnguard: contact the person the bug is assigned to
[17:24] <ikonia> xnguard: or post for an update in the bug report
[17:24] <xnguard> ikonia: There's still no one assigned, and the last person to attempt to contact anyone involved was ignored.
[17:24] <xnguard> All right.
[17:25] <PerryArmstrong> ikonia; okk
[17:25] <cwillu> !328442
[17:25] <cwillu> bug 328442
[17:25] <marcusdavidus> hello
[17:26] <marcusdavidus>  anyone make upgrade from intrepid to rc jaunty ?
[17:26] <marcusdavidus> and dont destroy system
[17:26] <ikonia> !upgrade > marcusdavidus
[17:26] <Noqq> !upgrade > Noq
[17:26] <Noqq> !upgrade > Noqq
[17:26] <KyleK> does thenetbook remix support ext4?
[17:27] <ikonia> KyleK: same as 9.04
[17:28] <marcusdavidus> this gimme nothing imho ikonia im not so n00b to dont restand how it works etc im asking is anyone DID that
[17:29] <ikonia> marcusdavidus: if you are unable to read the instructions I suggest you don't upgrade as it will be too much of a risk using a beta product
[17:29] <marcusdavidus> ikonia im using GENTOO im think im pro im not ask aboute using of beta etc im asking is anyone actually make upgrade to new rc jaunty without problems is so hard to say yes or no jesus
[17:30] <ikonia> marcusdavidus: how can you be a pro - you've just called yourself a n00b
[17:30] <marcusdavidus> i called myslef not so n00b
[17:30] <ikonia> oh, I see
[17:30] <ikonia> marcusdavidus: well read the instructions, it explains how it works
[17:30] <marcusdavidus>  only idiot thinks hes ot n00b no one know everything
[17:31] <ikonia> marcusdavidus: thre are also some interesting reading in the /topic
[17:31] <canen> anyone here experiencing random X crashes using the opensource ati drivers?
[17:32] <ikonia> canen: most people I've seen have had positive things to say about them, however I suspect the card specifics have a lot to do with the stability
[17:32] <marcusdavidus> canen with flash on ?
[17:32] <canen> it goes to the login scree and when logging in i see a brief glimpse of the screen the way it was before it crashed
[17:32] <canen> marcusdavidus: doesn't matter
[17:32] <canen> just crashes randomly
[17:32] <canen> let me put the backtrace somewhere
[17:33] <marcusdavidus> canen:  ati drivers open or closed are hmm obpos
[17:33] <marcusdavidus> obpos > one big piece of sh***
[17:34] <canen> yeah, i know
[17:34] <ikonia> marcusdavidus: please conrol your language
[17:34] <canen> but i can't help it
[17:34] <marcusdavidus> hmm 1 h 35 m to reconnig lets pray to succefull upgrade kids
[17:34] <ikonia> marcusdavidus: if you can't say it without swearing - don't say it please.
[17:34] <canen> http://pastebin.com/m39c8ca0e Xorg.0.log.old
[17:34] <marcusdavidus> ikonia:  wtf is with u u act like 40 years old mac user
[17:36] <PerryArmstrong> ikonia; any idea about this http://paste.ubuntu.com/154806/   i didnt find a solution to this is the upgrade manual
[17:37] <canen> any pointers on the X error?
[17:37] <canen> really hard to test
[17:38] <ikonia> PerryArmstrong: don't think there is a backports / proposed repos on that server
[17:38] <ikonia> PerryArmstrong: disable the reops, try again
[17:39] <wirechief> canen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[17:40] <PerryArmstrong> ikonia; reops??
[17:40] <ikonia> repo's sorry
[17:40] <canen> wirechief: the log includes a backtrace by default
[17:40] <wirechief> canen also use RSEIUB if you freeze completely and lock
[17:40] <canen> it doesn't freeze, just restarts
[17:40] <wirechief> canen am looking for another wiki for freeze s brb
[17:41] <phoenixz> Hi there, since the last update of Kubuntu9.04 beta, I have various issues, X won't start normal anymore (complaining about config), sudden computer freezes (only mouse responds), large X CPU usage (>30 percent on average), huge Quassel CPU usage (>60% on average) etc... Anybody here who might know something about these issues?
[17:41] <wirechief> canen oh ok
[17:42] <wirechief> canen do you want to chat in inquery ?
[17:42] <PerryArmstrong> ikonia; how do i disab;e the repos??
[17:42] <canen> you mean /msg?
[17:42] <PerryArmstrong> ikonia; how do i *disable the repos??
[17:43] <wirechief> canen see my query box
[17:43] <wirechief> canen see my query tab
[17:43] <canen> nope, hold on
[17:43] <wirechief> canen you might need to be registered ;)
[17:44] <canen> i am registered
[17:45] <BluesKaj> PerryArmstrong, why do want to disable the repos ?
[17:46] <PerryArmstrong> BlusKaj; i get this error while upgrading to 9.04 http://paste.ubuntu.com/154806/  i have commented the backports after pasting this error...
[17:47] <PerryArmstrong> BluesKaj; i get this error while upgrading to 9.04 http://paste.ubuntu.com/154806/  i have commented the backports after pasting this error...
[17:49] <yow|x2> anyone have a solution for the intel video card driver freezing? It's driving me nuts (especially since it was fixed a few package releases back)
[17:55] <BluesKaj> PerryArmstrong, those are the wrong repos ...dunno where you got them but , this is my sources.list and it works . Maybe you should copy and paste it into yours. http://paste.ubuntu.com/154814/
[17:56] <PerryArmstrong> BluesKaj; are you sure that your code will work even for mine
[17:56] <BluesKaj> delete the text in yours , it's all off the main server , no locales to interfere
[17:58] <BluesKaj> our servers here are so slow i don't bother witrh them, hence the "main"
[17:58] <PerryArmstrong> Blueskaj; okk so i'll delete the whole text and place yours....will this be safe
[17:59] <BluesKaj> yes, it's std stuff
[17:59] <GrimmVarg> hi guys, Im  trying to install ubuntu 9.04-64bit on my macbook pro. But now for the second time it has stoppet at a fatal error trying to install grub.. on /dev/sda3, has anybody experienced this before?
[18:00] <CrocoJet> I am getting this message when trying to print "unable to open the initial device, quiting". Any idea to solve this problem ?
[18:03] <PerryArmstrong> Blueskaj; thansk
[18:03] <PerryArmstrong> thanks
[18:26] <SuperQ> While testing Jaunty on my machine I had a frequent random graphics driver lockups with the free NV driver
[18:26] <SuperQ> I booted to single user and installed the nvidia binary driver, no more crashes
[18:29] <mirco0> hat einer erfahrung mit dem soundsystem unter Ubu 9.04? bekomme ums verecken keinen 5.1 sound (bass/center). auch das umstellen auf 6 channels in der /etc/pulse/daemon.conf wie unter 8.1 funzt nicht. der alsa soundcheck in der bash erkennt aber alles.... alsa mixer zeigt nur stereo regler.......
[18:33] <zash_> why is tor not in repos?
[18:39] <cwillu> zash_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/328442
[18:39] <cwillu> zash_, feel free to complain there
[18:39] <zash_> cwillu: thanks
[18:39] <cwillu> zash_, it's marked as "Fix Released" for jaunty, which is... special...
[18:39] <wirechief> cwillu no crash running the test script for 45 min
[18:41] <cwillu> wirechief, fancy :)
[18:41] <wirechief> cwillu amazing the first time i ran it , it crashed immediately
[18:42]  * wirechief has bug net in hand
[18:43] <deany> Am i gonna be able to play 3D games in jaunty with my, now unsupported ati 9800?  or is open source good enough to play ut2004
[18:45] <wirechief> deany ask in #phoronix  someone there might know
[18:46] <Twigathy> What on earth is pulseaudio doing chewing up 1/3rd of a CPU!?
[18:47] <Twigathy> (vlc using alsa output (pulse out just freezes vlc :|) + ubuntu+1)
[18:52]  * deany would like to buy a time machine to stop himself buying ati bs 6 yrs ago
[18:54] <jchamm> Hi. I need python2.4-imaging for Plone/Zope but there is no installation candidate? :(
[18:54] <jchamm> Other than that, I love Jaunty!
[18:54] <jchamm> Jaded Jackass would have been a good name too, though.
[19:02] <logophobia> hi, I was wondering. I have a setup with an encrypted HD with cryptsetup/LUKS. I just upgraded, it works almost perfectly. The only issue is that, after I typed my password it gets echod plain text to the console, this didn't happen before. I wonder if this is a security issue?
[19:05] <mbeierl> !de | mirco0
[19:06] <j00bar> howdy -- i've seen a lot of posts regarding it but no solutions yet -- are problems with ath9k just crapping out after several minutes on jaunty as widespread as it seems?
[19:07] <j00bar> i said 9k i meant 5k
[19:10] <pucko-> Hello. Since I upgraded to jaunty beta, I cannot print anything. how would one troubleshoot printing?
[19:10] <j00bar> pucko: contents of /var/log/cups/
[19:12] <pucko-> ah
[19:13] <pucko-> not very helpful message: "SpliX Invalid PPD file version: SpliX V. 2.0.0 but the PPD file is designedfor SpliX V. 2.0.0"
[19:13] <Pici> heh
[19:14] <pucko-> but now that I know what I'm looking for I think I found the relevant bug reports...
[19:16] <archivator> Is it just my configuration or is it by design that the "Device is safe to remove" dialog is no longer a notification?
[19:16] <awkorama> anybody know something about the press conference with mark shuttleworth today?
[19:17] <dust> hello, why can't i hear surround in "just only vlc" no other audio/movie players work surround
[19:18] <dust> cat .asoundrc
[19:18] <dust> i modified that so i got vlc working surroundly
[19:18] <dust> did i miss something?
[19:21] <xb414>  Hello everybody, i just install ubuntu 9.04 on my desktop, but i didn't get the resolution i had under windows (1440x900), can only choose between 4 resolutions ("1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480") --- http://pastebin.com/m63758de2
[19:22] <a931bw> Is there way to get early beta?
[19:22] <Pici> a931bw: See topic, we are on the RC now.
[19:25] <Dougshell> hey guys...the repos that are disabled in the jaunty upgrade will then reenable themselves when the time is right, or do i have to manauly do that
[19:27] <hallowname> Dougshell: manually :) u added the repos.
[19:28] <Dougshell> well i mean there already there...
[19:28] <Dougshell> but they ust say disabled on upgrade to jaunty
[19:28] <ikus060> Hi, I'm using Jaunty with ext4 and i'm looking for a way to 'ghost' my disk. Anybody have a solution ?
[19:29] <Dougshell> ghost?
[19:29] <hallowname> Dougshell: yea, bc there is no jaunty repo for them yet. dont want intrepid packages in ur jaunty install, lol
[19:29] <deany> clonezilla, but make sure its experimental version, for ext4
[19:29] <hallowname> ikus060: backup? i use mksquashfs. and rsync sometimes.
[19:29] <Dougshell> so once the software has a jaunty repo then that will go away on it sokwn
[19:29] <ikus060> wep, ghost. you don't know ghost ? it's a Disk cloning
[19:30] <Dougshell> ok i just use dd if/then
[19:30] <Dougshell> er if/of
[19:30] <ikus060> hallowname: it's not for backup. I want to change my hdd (from a 80gig to a 250Gig)
[19:30] <Dougshell> dude use if/of then resize patition
[19:31] <neorab> If I were to install the RC, will it update to the release (provided I don't do much with it) when it comes or would I have to fiddle around with setting repos and what-not?
[19:31] <ikus060> Dougshell: well .. isn't there any 'user friendly' application to do it ? I'm not really into dd, if, of ..
[19:32] <Pici> !final | neorab
[19:32] <xb414> Hello everybody, i just install ubuntu 9.04 on my desktop, but i didn't get the resolution i had under windows (1440x900), i can only choose between 4 resolutions ("1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480") --- http://pastebin.com/m63758de2
[19:32] <nemo> xb414: your other resolution does seem non-standard
[19:32] <lymeca> Hey, are there the 4 other repos for jaunty yet?
[19:32] <ikus060> exept if there isn't any other solution
[19:32] <Pici> neorab: i.e: yes, it will just update to release.
[19:32] <nemo> xb414: do you use dual monitors?
[19:32] <neorab> thank you
[19:32] <Pici> lymeca: other 4?
[19:32] <xb414> yes
[19:32] <lymeca> jaunty-proposed, jaunty-backports, jaunty-security, and jaunty-updates
[19:32] <php_penguin> Hi, I'm using a fully updated version of 9.04 on amd64 and my processor usage is idling at about 50-55%. there are no programs using anything like that in the system monitor, and the sum of all processes isnt even close to that. is this a common/known problem, any solutions?
[19:32] <Pici> lymeca: I believe so, I'm not on my Jaunty system to check though.
[19:33] <deany> ikus060, http://clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge/experimental/iso-zip-files.php
[19:33] <nemo> xb414: try plugging in the second monitor and firing up System->Administration->Screen Resolution
[19:33] <nemo> xb414: it'll probably add the virtual screen size necessary
[19:33] <nemo> assuming your driver supports
[19:33] <Dougshell> its very user friendly
[19:33] <Dougshell> do a dd then output to a sr1 error
[19:33] <deany> use it via usb boot for both my laptops
[19:34] <nemo> xb414: personally I had the problem that with the virtual screen size, my stupid stupid intel card had horrible performance - couldn't handle the doubling of screen space :-/
[19:34] <Dougshell> it will take like an hour tops
[19:34] <xb414> :s sis's stupid too
[19:35] <nemo> xb414: also.  since I do some dev on hedgewars, we had a user offer this info on setting monitor resolutions manually if gnome doesn't do it for you
[19:35] <nemo> http://hedgewars.org/faq.html#n1304
[19:35] <nemo> xb414: FWIW
[19:35] <nemo> xb414: it should be automatic though
[19:36] <xb414> thx man ;)
[19:36] <a931bw> Shiz i'll better wait becausei wana direct update
[19:37] <php_penguin> Yes, I know, doublepost very naughty, but this is getting annoying: Hi, I'm using a fully updated version of 9.04 on amd64 and my processor usage is idling at about 50-55%. there are no programs using anything like that in the system monitor, and the sum of all processes isnt even close to that. is this a common/known problem, any solutions?
[19:38] <dust> can someone tell me how to enable surrround to banshee/xine/rythmbox
[19:38] <dust> vlc has only surround, i edited a file .asoundrc or something.
[19:39] <Roberth1> hello, uhm I have a pulseaudio issue, I got no sound and pulseaudio volume control shows that pulseaudio is using null
[19:39] <archivator> php_penguin: what about console tools (e.g., top)? Gnome System Monitor can be confusing at times..
[19:39] <php_penguin> archivator: already tried, gnoem system monitor shows the same results at top and ps
[19:39] <php_penguin> top is shoinwg Xorg at 10% as the highest
[19:40] <archivator> How do you get that 50% figure then?
[19:40] <php_penguin> the system monitor panel app
[19:40] <cwillu> php_penguin, what does top show for sys and wait?
[19:41] <php_penguin> 21.1% sy, 0.0%wa
[19:41] <andresmh> since a few updates ago my Jaunty machine graphics feel sluggish.
[19:41] <andresmh> with or without compiz
[19:41] <andresmh> ugh
[19:42] <kernco> flashplugin-nonfree has been a blocked update for a week now.  Is there a reason to not install this update?
[19:43] <cwillu> php_penguin, and user%?
[19:43] <php_penguin> 35% ish
[19:43] <php_penguin> those numbers add up I suppose
[19:43] <cwillu> so there's your 50% :)
[19:43] <cwillu> what's the process using 35% ish?
[19:44] <php_penguin> xorg is using the most, between 10 and 15 avg
[19:44] <php_penguin> everything below that is < 5%
[19:44] <cwillu> is there any animation showing right now?
[19:44] <php_penguin> nope
[19:44] <cwillu> close the process monitor (not top) if it's open
[19:44] <php_penguin> its shut
[19:44] <php_penguin> but the panel app is open
[19:44] <cwillu> any flash open?
[19:44] <cwillu> hmm
[19:44] <php_penguin> no flash
[19:44] <cwillu> try removing that applet temporarily
[19:44] <php_penguin> removed
[19:45] <php_penguin> xorg still at 10-15, 35%us, 19.7%sy
[19:45] <cwillu> what video chipset?
[19:45] <php_penguin> nvidia onboard
[19:45] <archivator> php_penguin: Are you running compiz? Also, are you using any wm other than metacity?
[19:45] <php_penguin> I am using the Dust theme
[19:45] <php_penguin> and yes, effects are on normal
[19:46] <archivator> Try disabling them.
[19:46] <php_penguin> but, my CPU usage was averaging maybe 5% under 8.10
[19:46] <php_penguin> and 8.04
[19:46] <php_penguin> and 7.10
[19:46] <php_penguin> with effects, and dust since 8.10
[19:46] <cwillu> php_penguin, that's nice.  Try disabling them.
[19:46] <cwillu> php_penguin, still need to know if it's compiz that has the new issue or not :p
[19:47] <php_penguin> using human and no effffects
[19:47] <cwillu> php_penguin, normal == compiz
[19:47] <php_penguin> yes, i know
[19:47] <cwillu> needs to be none to disable compiz
[19:47] <cwillu> okay
[19:47] <php_penguin> and its now on "none"
[19:47] <php_penguin> xorg at 9%
[19:47] <php_penguin> 34.2%us, 20.3%sy
[19:48] <cwillu> php_penguin, can you upload a screenshot to imgur?
[19:48] <php_penguin> i'll upload to my own server, quicker
[19:48] <cwillu> k
[19:48] <archivator> php_penguin: out of curiosity, what's the load average?
[19:48] <php_penguin> http://richardlyon.co.uk/uploadr/uploads/ubuntu-test.png
[19:49] <andresmh> is human less CPU intensive than other themes?!
[19:49] <php_penguin> archivator - find out by uptime?
[19:49] <php_penguin> andresmh - just the default theme so most tested
[19:49] <archivator> nah, top has it.
[19:49] <cwillu> andresmh, not really
[19:49] <php_penguin> so it does
[19:49] <php_penguin> 2.69, 2.96, 2.85
[19:50] <andresmh> i hate how after a few weeks of using Ubuntu I always feel the graphics sluggier
[19:50]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick
[19:51] <BluesKaj> andresmh, could be the powernowd/cpu power saver app at work
[19:52] <andresmh> BluesKaj, how do I check that? I'm not running with batteries.
[19:53] <andresmh> I actually wouldn't mind overclocking my CPU for faster performance as most of the time I am running connected to the AC
[19:53] <BluesKaj> scaling back power so the cpu frq is halved  , cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
[19:53] <BUGabundo> cwillu poing back
[19:54] <dust> Roberth1: there?
[19:54]  * BUGabundo confesses this is one of the nicest releases ever, but is a bit buggy!
[19:54] <andresmh> cpuinfo says I'm 800Mhz
[19:54] <cwillu> BUGabundo, just means 9.10 will be nice :)
[19:54] <cwillu> feisty was like that too
[19:54] <andresmh> how can I increase the cpu MHz BluesKaj ?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> eeh
[19:55] <BUGabundo> cwillu everyone always thinks that current is worse then previous
[19:56] <BUGabundo> but general view, testers are reporting jaunty better the ibex.... just a bit of GPU buggy
[19:56] <php_penguin> BUGabundo: I'm pretty sure someone did a comparison and found that the releases have been getting slower
[19:56] <BUGabundo> luckly most audio bugs are iron out
[19:56] <BUGabundo> php_penguin: I don't feel that
[19:57] <cwillu> php_penguin, compiz is actually a huge perceived performance win, as means applications don't have to redraw on every expose event
[19:57] <andresmh> I do feel things are slower
[19:57] <BUGabundo> and have had many other users telling me the same: jaunty is faster, even on older HW
[19:57] <php_penguin> BUGabundo: I couldn't say for sure seeing as I started off with 7.04 on a laptop after moving from Fedora and then 8.04 on this desktop
[19:58] <php_penguin> BUGabundo: and I am using Ext4 on the system partition of this system now, and boot times are up by around 10 seconds on all 3 computers
[19:58] <php_penguin> sorry, I mean they are faster by 10 seconds
[19:58] <BluesKaj> andresmh, install cpufreq-utils and cpufreqd
[19:58] <BUGabundo> hehe
[19:58] <BUGabundo> boots of 10 secs would be nice
[19:58] <php_penguin> BUGbaundo: this machine boots in 30, from power button Firefox
[19:59] <andresmh> BluesKaj, from what I'm reading, cpufreq-utils help you slow down to get more battery life?
[20:00] <cwillu> php_penguin, screenshot still coming?
[20:00] <php_penguin> http://richardlyon.co.uk/uploadr/uploads/ubuntu-test.png
[20:00] <BluesKaj> well. not sure what kind of setup you're using
[20:00] <php_penguin> i posted it ages ago?
[20:00] <cwillu> php_penguin, that'll teach you to not highlight people
[20:00] <BluesKaj> BBl
[20:00]  * cwillu starts hunting for an http://
[20:00] <BUGabundo> php_penguin: can you isntall bootchart and bootchart-java, hack the rc script and post it for us?
[20:01] <php_penguin> if you give me some instructions re hacking the rc script?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> sure
[20:01] <BUGabundo> just add a sleep 60 on line 41
[20:01] <php_penguin> sure
[20:01] <php_penguin> where is this file I am editing?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> file is /etc/rc2.d/S99stop-bootchart
[20:01] <php_penguin> k
[20:02] <php_penguin> richardlyon.co.uk/uploadr/uploads/ubuntu-test.png
[20:02] <BUGabundo> that will make bootchart ONLY stop after gdm
[20:02] <php_penguin> no http ther
[20:02] <php_penguin> okk
[20:02] <cwillu> php_penguin, I'm kinda concerned that x-session-manager, dbus-daemon, gconfd-2 and gnome-settings-daemon are all showing up there
[20:02] <php_penguin> should they not be?
[20:02] <cwillu> actively using cpu time?  no
[20:02] <BUGabundo> php_penguin: don't change like 43... let that sleep be
[20:02] <php_penguin> k
[20:03] <cwillu> they're all daemons, responding to requests, not doing anything at idle
[20:03] <php_penguin> right
[20:03] <php_penguin> this is technically a fresh install last night
[20:03] <php_penguin> although I kept a bunch of stuff from the previous install
[20:03] <php_penguin> only reinstalled cos i borked grub :s
[20:03] <cwillu> php_penguin, you don't have another user logged in do you?
[20:03] <php_penguin> not as far as I know
[20:04] <php_penguin> ok, bootchart installed and file hacked
[20:04] <cwillu> can you put up ~/.xsession-errors?
[20:04] <BUGabundo> php_penguin: when ever you can, please reboot
[20:04] <php_penguin> ok wil do in a sec
[20:04] <BUGabundo> you can also on a 2nd boot profile boot
[20:05] <BUGabundo> and reboot a 3rd time to compare bootcharts
[20:05] <php_penguin> http://richardlyon.co.uk/uploadr/uploads/xsession-errors.txt
[20:05] <php_penguin> gt that link?
[20:06] <cwillu> yep
[20:06] <cwillu> php_penguin, just type cw<tab> on the line and I'll see it
[20:06] <php_penguin> kk
[20:06] <cwillu> php_penguin, another notable thing is that all of those processes are in the hundreds of megs of virtual
[20:06] <php_penguin> which is bad?
[20:06] <cwillu> gnome-panel should not be using 400mb of swap
[20:07] <php_penguin> mhm
[20:07] <cwillu> my desktop's been on for a week, and gnome panel is under 100mb
[20:07]  * BUGabundo checks own for comparion
[20:07] <cwillu> and gnome-settings doesn't even show up on my top sorted by virt
[20:08] <php_penguin> ill reboot, back in a minute - start counting now
[20:08] <BUGabundo> cwillu I have 430 miB in VM for it too
[20:08] <cwillu> ** (vino-server:4439): WARNING **: Remote Desktop server already running; exiting ...
[20:08] <cwillu> you have that over and over again
[20:09] <cwillu> bah, he missed that
[20:09] <cwillu> BUGabundo, check out his xsession
[20:09] <cwillu> near the bottom'ish
[20:09] <cwillu> I think vino-server is getting restarted as fast as it dies
[20:10] <cwillu> causing that load, and potentially exposing a small memory leak
[20:10] <php_penguin> back
[20:10] <cwillu> php_penguin, <cwillu> ** (vino-server:4439): WARNING **: Remote Desktop server already running; exiting ...
 you have that over and over again
[20:10] <php_penguin> yep
[20:10] <sporkboy> just went to jaunty. gps was on /dev/ttyUSB0. no clue where it is now.
[20:11] <cwillu> I think vino-server is getting restarted as fast as it dies, causing that load, and potentially exposing a small memory leak
[20:11] <php_penguin> right
[20:11] <cwillu> php_penguin, you're freshly rebooted?
[20:11] <php_penguin> yep
[20:11] <php_penguin> hard reboot as well
[20:11] <cwillu> php_penguin, does vino-server still show up in top?
[20:11] <php_penguin> as in shutdown, power off, power on
[20:11] <cwillu> and more importantly, does it show up with a changing pid?
[20:11] <php_penguin> yes
[20:11] <php_penguin> and yes
[20:12] <cwillu> there's your problem
[20:12] <php_penguin> its showing in top and the PID is changing
[20:12] <php_penguin> how to resolve then?
[20:12] <cwillu> does the process ring a bell?
[20:12] <php_penguin> nope, I have no clue what it does or why its there
[20:12] <cwillu> have you worked with the gnome vnc server before?
[20:12] <php_penguin> once or twice to view a windows box from afar
[20:12] <cwillu> fresh install, like a wipe and reinstall, right?
[20:12] <cwillu> php_penguin, so not the server then
[20:13] <php_penguin> yes, but I kept most of my folders backed up and reinstated
[20:13] <php_penguin> probably stupidly
[20:13] <cwillu> php_penguin, system | preferences | remote desktop -> is allow other users enabled?
[20:13] <php_penguin> it is
[20:13] <php_penguin> untick?
[20:13] <cwillu> php_penguin, well, not really stupid, it should work, but I think that's probably the cause
[20:13] <cwillu> yes
[20:13] <php_penguin> ahah unticked and proc usage has dropped like a brick
[20:13] <cwillu> okay
[20:14] <cwillu> I'm still curious about something
[20:14] <cwillu> are you behind a firewall?
[20:14] <php_penguin> down to 18%
[20:14] <php_penguin> a router
[20:14] <php_penguin> which has a hardware firewall
[20:14] <cwillu> php_penguin, in a terminal, run ps aux|grep -i vnc
[20:14] <BUGabundo> php_penguin: see /var/log/bootchart/
[20:15] <php_penguin> ok its sayig:
[20:15] <php_penguin> rich      7999  0.0  0.0   7528   920 pts/0    R+   20:14   0:00 grep -i vnc
[20:15] <cwillu> okay, that's fine then
[20:15] <cwillu> php_penguin, can you give me another screenshot of top?
[20:15] <php_penguin> sure
[20:15] <php_penguin> and what am I doing with this bootchart?
[20:15] <php_penguin> upload?
[20:15] <php_penguin> http://richardlyon.co.uk/uploadr/uploads/top2.png
[20:16] <cwillu> php_penguin, yes
[20:16] <php_penguin> got that firs link?
[20:16] <cwillu> php_penguin, you've got some flash open I believe, which is murder on cpu usage :p
[20:16] <cwillu> yep
[20:16] <php_penguin> yes it is... eurogamer ads :@
[20:16] <cwillu> php_penguin, flashblock
[20:16] <php_penguin> http://richardlyon.co.uk/uploadr/uploads/rich-desktop-jaunty-20090420-1.png
[20:17] <marcreichelt> hi there
[20:17] <php_penguin> installing...
[20:17] <php_penguin> thanks for your help guys!
[20:17] <marcreichelt> is Kubuntu 9.04 RC proposed to be final?
[20:17]  * cwillu wins again :)
[20:17]  * BUGabundo pads cwillu back
[20:17] <marcreichelt> because Plasma seems to be _really_ unstable (hanged up 2 times today during normal use), and the translations are ugly
[20:17] <BUGabundo> marcreichelt: what do you mean?
[20:17] <cwillu> php_penguin, if you have any lingering weirdness, make a new user with a nice fresh profile and see if you can duplicate it there
[20:18] <php_penguin> ok (y)
[20:18] <cwillu> marcreichelt, what video chipset?
[20:18] <marcreichelt> Intel
[20:18] <php_penguin> cpu usage now at 0% :D *hugs* for you
[20:18] <cwillu> intel has issues :(
[20:18] <marcreichelt> oh :/
[20:19] <marcreichelt> nice, the best open 3D drivers available at the moment, and than _that_---
[20:19] <cwillu> marcreichelt, yep, I know
[20:19] <BUGabundo> we all know
[20:19] <rom1v> hi
[20:19] <cwillu> marcreichelt, perfect storm of xorg 1.6, intel moving to uxa, and us not getting the debugging tools we needed to fix issues until like 2 weeks ago
[20:19] <BUGabundo> rom1v: hi
[20:19] <rom1v> it seems that there is a critical bug in linux kernel in jaunty since an upgrade between alpha 4 and alpha 6
[20:19] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/350268
[20:20] <cwillu> marcreichelt, pastebin your /var/log/xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf and I'll see if I can point you in a good direction
[20:20] <rom1v> (my last comments)
[20:20] <marcreichelt> cwillu: am I right that this is not going to be fixed during 9.04?
[20:20] <marcreichelt> cwillu: too late, already switched back to my backup of Kubuntu 8.04 :/
[20:20] <marcreichelt> but it also happend on the live cd, maybe I can get you some information later
[20:20] <BUGabundo> rom1v: hum new? lean usually tackles linux bugs quite fast
[20:21] <rom1v> It was modified to "incomplete" since I thought it was an hardware problem
[20:21] <rom1v> but after several people have the same problem, I tested with intrepid
[20:21] <rom1v> and it works !
[20:21] <rom1v> not an hardware problem
[20:21] <cwillu> rom1v, need to give an unabridged syslog
[20:21] <cwillu> the whole thing
[20:22] <rom1v> "unabridged"?
[20:22] <rom1v> (I'm not english)
[20:22] <cwillu> rom1v, the whole thing, not just pieces of it
[20:22] <rom1v> ok, so you want me to reinstall jaunty, then ?
[20:22] <rom1v> attach the whole syslog?
[20:22] <cwillu> rom1v, ...
[20:23] <cwillu> rom1v, a reported bug is almost useless if the reporter isn't around
[20:23] <BUGabundo> dtchen: humm nice cloak
[20:23] <bertodsera> Hi! I was installing nfs and got this: http://pastebin.com/m660104a2 Now dpkg seems to be dead. Is there any way out of this?
[20:24] <cwillu> rom1v, the syslog you posted to the bug is missing alot of vital data
[20:24] <rom1v> cwillu, I just reinstalled intrepid, that's why I have no jaunty anymore, so I will reinstall and attach syslog. other logs are needed?
[20:24] <cwillu> rom1v, leave it as a dual boot if you can afford the space and can't just run jaunty exclusively.
[20:24] <rom1v> no, no problem, I will install a new jaunty
[20:24] <BUGabundo> php_penguin: boot in 18 secs? not bad!
[20:24] <cwillu> rom1v, yes, the output of lspci -vvnn, the contents of /var/log/kern.log, and your /etc/fstab
[20:25] <BUGabundo> and with lot of services
[20:25] <php_penguin> BUGabundo: yep its quite nice
[20:25] <cwillu> rom1v, attach those to the bug report, and ping me
[20:25] <rom1v> ok
[20:25] <BUGabundo> humm php_penguin you run update-notifier
[20:26] <drbobb> has anyone noticed bluetooth working only one way?
[20:26] <php_penguin> BUGabundo: is that bad?
[20:26] <BUGabundo> 55sec until you can use FF and pidgin
[20:26] <cwillu> drbobb, I've never noticed bluetooth working at all :p
[20:26] <BUGabundo> very wellm
[20:26] <BUGabundo> mine take much longer
[20:26] <drbobb> ie. i can download stuff from my phone, but can't upload anything to it
[20:26] <BUGabundo> drbobb: maybe! I ve had trouble 2ways too
[20:26] <drbobb> cwillu: it worked near perfectly in hardy, at least for file exchange with phones
[20:27] <BUGabundo> drbobb: now.. I can upload and download...
[20:27] <BUGabundo> I just can't send from phone to PC
[20:27] <BUGabundo> aka receive
[20:28] <cwillu> BUGabundo, I like that band that is vino-server :)
[20:28] <drbobb> BUGabundo: well that's the function that works just fine for me, both now and in hardy
[20:28] <drbobb> but i can't upload anything at all, it just fails to work, silently
[20:30] <BUGabundo> not me
[20:30] <BUGabundo> so we have oposite limitaions
[20:30] <peace> ath5k suck a lot
[20:31] <drbobb> (and I must say I had much more trouble getting bluetooth to work under windows than under kubuntu hardy)
[20:32] <drbobb> ok I looked up the logs, bluetoothd reports a pin_code_request, but seems unable to find an agent to handle it
[20:32] <drbobb> suggestions?
[20:39] <syke> I don't suppose that gcc-snapshot will be updated to 4.4.0-rc1 before jaunty is released?
[20:48] <dust> i want my surround speakers to work in other applications aswell thanin vlc !!!!
[20:52] <BUGabundo> TIP: if you want to write an .img !ubuntu image to #USB from !windows, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Mobile/HowTo/ImageWriting#Writing%20a%20usb%20image%20in%20Windows
[20:55] <ppd> hi. is there anything known about nautilus freezing when opening just about anything in jaunty RC?
[20:57] <alemani> hello, it seems that after upgrade to 9.04 from 8.10 the system got slower... compiz, gnome-do and etc. htop shows 'normal' behavior...
[20:57] <alemani> does anyone know if the intel video drivers are ready to go?
[20:58] <calc> alemani: read phoronix
[20:58] <calc> alemani: intel decided to break their driver... but there are people working on trying to fix it for Ubuntu
[20:59] <alemani> calc: ouch!
[20:59] <alemani> calc: is't under phoronix forums ?
[21:00] <alemani> *it's
[21:00] <calc> alemani: phoronix has written articles about it several times actually
[21:01] <calc> alemani: comparing old intel driver to the new one, and then with greedy option on the new one enabled as well
[21:01] <icewaterman> jaunty works damn good on amd64
[21:03] <yoasif> icewaterman: how much ram do you have?
[21:03] <icewaterman> yoasif: 4GB and i am planning to expand it
[21:03] <icewaterman> plus i do a lot of scientific computing
[21:04] <yoasif> ah nice... only 4gb here so i'm still on 32 :)
[21:04] <icewaterman> its about 25% faster with my cpu on amd64
[21:04] <yoasif> nice :)
[21:04] <yoasif> whaaaaaat
[21:04] <yoasif> where are you getting that stat
[21:04] <calc> yoasif: 64bit could potentially buy you up to 1GB of usable ram if you already have 4GB on it
[21:04] <icewaterman> yoasif: i wrote a program for scientific purposes and benchmarked it
[21:04] <calc> and yes amd64 is faster as well on certain applications
[21:04] <calc> since amd64 arch has many more usable registers than ia32
[21:05] <yoasif> calc: how about speed? i read that /most/ apps won't see a speedup, and can even see a slowdown
[21:05] <calc> yoasif: the number that slow down is probably much less than the number that speed up
[21:05] <calc> aiui the normal speed up is ~ 10-15% averaged across apps
[21:06] <icewaterman> calc: besides, it does no longer hurt to use amd64 distro, flash, java-plugin all available
[21:06] <Tecna> umm...
[21:06] <yoasif> eh maybe i'll give it a shot for karmic once the toolchain goes live
[21:06] <Tecna> I'm having problems unmounting my drives again
[21:07] <yoasif> is flash64 in the repos yet?
[21:07] <Tecna> $ sudo fuser -k /media/Storage
[21:07] <Tecna> Cannot stat /media/Storage: Transport endpoint is not connected
[21:07] <Tecna> I can't even kill the processes
[21:09] <calc> yoasif: no, but 32bit flash is available and works
[21:09] <yoasif> ah i had a ton of bugs with that on intrepid on 64
[21:10] <yoasif> i would have to killall npviewer.bin
[21:10] <yoasif> soured me on 64 for the time
[21:10] <calc> hmm well it still breaks occasionaly... of course even on Windows XP I was always having to restart my browser because flash would crash
[21:11] <calc> from syslog it seems when i have problems with flash it is because it has crashed, it logs the crash messages
[21:11] <Idespnnr> anyone have info on the severe regressions of xorg-intel video drivers with the new jaunty?
[21:11] <kklimonda> Idespnnr: nope
[21:12] <Idespnnr> ok, just thought i would ask.
[21:12] <calc> yoasif: it also seems that the reason firefox seems to eat so much ram is due to flash, when i turned on flashblock firefox started using much less ram
[21:12] <icewaterman> Idespnnr: only that because of the regression i didnt install it on my other box :-)
[21:12] <Idespnnr> haha
[21:12] <Idespnnr> your referring to the drop in performance right?
[21:12] <jeiworth> Idespnnr: aha! i knew that that behaviour was not normal, i am getting 35-50% cpu drain from xorg
[21:13] <jeiworth> xserver, even ;)
[21:13] <Idespnnr> Switching to UXA fixes it but causes hard locks in xorg every so often...
[21:13] <yoasif> calc: yeah, understood, i just experienced far more crashes in 64 than with 32
[21:13] <yoasif> yeah, i already have flashblock and adblock plus installed ;)
[21:13] <calc> Idespnnr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance
[21:13] <jeiworth> well, you could just deactivate desktop effects for now, at least that works on kde
[21:13]  * calc wishes Adobe and Flash would both die
[21:14] <Idespnnr> I ran Kubuntu for a while, without desktop effects. Didnt cut it
[21:14] <icewaterman> jeiworth: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta#Known issues you could have known in advance :-)
[21:14] <calc> even silverlight would be better than the current situation
[21:14] <BUGabundo> yoasif: not yet #flash64
[21:14] <yoasif> haha... don't use it ;)
[21:14] <Idespnnr> calc: thanks. that seems to be exactly what I need
[21:15] <calc> Idespnnr: basically intel broke their drivers and haven't gotten around to fixing them again yet
[21:15] <yoasif> i have to find that weird bug with the scrolling/blinking black overlay on youtube videos on jaunty
[21:15] <Noq> What's the 'sudo...' command to update to Netbook Remix version? I'm running 9.04 of course.
[21:15] <bronson> Hm, my touchpad supports two-finger and three-finger gestures.
[21:15] <bronson> (II) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: buttons: left right middle double triple
[21:16] <bronson> Didn't I read somewhere that Jaunty was supposed to use this by default?
[21:16] <yoasif> another annoying bug
[21:16] <yoasif> calc: how good are you with tracking down bugs?
[21:16] <yoasif> or anyone really
[21:16] <yoasif> trying to provide a better bug report for an obconf error i'm having
[21:16]  * calc is actually pretty busy and should be getting back to work already :\
[21:18] <kklimonda> yoasif: what error?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> Noq: $ update-manager
[21:18] <BUGabundo> no sudo
[21:19] <BUGabundo> yoasif: shoot us with extra info
[21:19] <jeiworth> flash64 works fine here btw
[21:20] <BUGabundo> here too
[21:20] <BUGabundo> I just need to remember to manually upgrade every month
[21:21] <yoasif> BUGabundo: error with obconf?
[21:22] <BUGabundo> obconf? what's that?
[21:22] <yoasif> sorry, obmenu, openbox menu configuration tool
[21:23] <BUGabundo> ahhh don't know anything about that WM
[21:23] <yoasif> worked fine in intrepid, broken in jaunty
[21:23] <yoasif> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/obmenu/+bug/336256
[21:23] <BUGabundo> just that it is light
[21:23] <Noq> BUGabundo: Ow, someone told me yesterday that some sort of 'sudo...' could do it. With the command you send I can choose the update from Netbook/
[21:23] <BUGabundo> Noq: upgrade from 8.10 ? or just normal updates already on jaunty?
[21:23] <yoasif> it just doesn't start... i think it's a python error, but i don't know how to troubleshoot it
[21:24] <kklimonda> yoasif: I'll work on that
[21:24] <BUGabundo> yoasif: does .xsessionerros contain anyting ?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: can you let me know more a bit your self?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> actually, pvt is better
[21:26] <yoasif> BUGabundo: yes, a ton
[21:26] <yoasif> should i grep for something
[21:27] <BUGabundo> yoasif: get kklimonda to help you ... you seem to be in great hands for it!
[21:27] <yoasif> BUGabundo: thanks!
[21:28] <yoasif> kklimonda: what should i do? :)
[21:28] <kklimonda> yoasif: I'll ping you at private.
[21:31] <guntbert> !bot
[21:32] <Tecna> so, does anyone know why my umount and fuser aren't working??
[21:33] <Tecna> Anyone?
[21:34] <Tecna> *crickets*
[21:34] <BUGabundo> money?
[21:34] <Tecna> wut
[21:34] <thiebaude> !topic
[21:34] <Zxcvb> will you be able to upgrade to 9.04 final from 9.04 rc1?
[21:35] <Tekno> of course
[21:35] <Tecna> so... no ideas?
[21:35] <Tekno> just sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:35] <Zxcvb> there is no netbook version of rc1, right?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> Zxcvb: sure there is
[21:36] <BUGabundo> Tekno: better recommend $ update-manager
[21:37] <thiebaude> wassup BUGabundo
[21:37] <BUGabundo> dinner thiebaude
[21:37] <BUGabundo> bbl
[21:37] <thiebaude> yup, almost
[21:38] <thiebaude> enjoy
[21:38] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: im having fish and chips in a little while
[21:39] <Zxcvb> all I see are the desktop and alternate images
[21:40] <Zxcvb> though I would assume the netbook version just sets some flags so things like the openoffice preloader don't run by default
[21:40] <Definitely> Hey All :)
[21:41] <JMFTheVCI> zxcvb: I have a netbook (Samsung NC10) but I don't bother with a netbook variant of Ubuntu. I just tailor things to give more screenspace on my 1024x600 res.
[21:42] <Zxcvb> JMFTheVCI: and set the preloaders not to run automatically, right?
[21:42] <Zxcvb> JMFTheVCI: preloader/quickloader/etc
[21:43] <JMFTheVCI> I have open office quick start and gnome-do as my only startups
[21:43] <JMFTheVCI> the oo-quickstart does make doc opening quicker.
[21:43] <Zxcvb> JMFTheVCI: and it works ok on only 512mb of ram?
[21:43] <JMFTheVCI> I have 2GB in my NC10.
[21:43] <JMFTheVCI> perhaps that the key difference
[21:44] <Zxcvb> was going to stick kubuntu 9.04 on this old dell
[21:44] <JMFTheVCI> can't stand the interface on kubuntu.
[21:45] <cwillu> Zxcvb, openoffice preloader doesn't run by default on any install
[21:45] <JMFTheVCI> gnome wins hands-down for me.
[21:45] <JMFTheVCI> xubuntu might be better for you
[21:45] <cwillu> livecd isn't usable on 256mb, but the installed desktop should work fine on 256mb
[21:45] <JMFTheVCI> cwillu: yup. you turn this on if needed.
[21:46] <Zxcvb> can it be any worse than kde 2.x on a p233 with 128mb ram?
[21:46] <cwillu> I doubt it
[21:46]  * cwillu pokes the bouncing kde icon with a stick
[21:47] <rom1v> in qtconfig (jaunty gnome), none of the changes which can be made have any effect on kde4 applications
[21:47] <rom1v> font size change is not persistent when closing/reopening qtconfig
[21:47] <rom1v> gui style is saved (I chose GTK+), but have no effect on digikam for example
[21:48] <Zxcvb> also, is all the stuff necessary to handle dvd playing and such available in the repositories, or is it necessary to compile it yourself?
[21:50] <calc> Zxcvb: ouch p233 w/128mb ram, reminds me of 1997 :)
[21:50] <Zxcvb> calc: 4gb hdd
[21:50] <rom1v> can somebody help me with qtconfig?
[21:51] <JMFTheVCI> ZX81 & 16K plugin RAM
[21:51] <Zxcvb> calc: still have it laying around somewhere, along with a thinkpad 755cd (486/100, 40mb ram max, the 32mb ram expansion looks kind of like a pcmcia card)
[21:51]  * calc likes his thinkpad x200 :)
[21:52]  * wirechief like his lenovo r61e
[21:52] <calc> Ubuntu runs fine on it, c2d 2.4ghz, 4gb ram, 500gb hd :)
[21:52] <eternal_p> hey all..anyone get USB to work with Virtualbox and Jaunty?
[21:52] <wirechief> calc 500gb drive ?
[21:52] <Definitely> calc: It also runs fine on my Core2Quad Q6600 2,4 Ghz :)
[21:53] <calc> wirechief: seagate momentus 7200.4
[21:53] <calc> wirechief: the thinkpad x200 doesn't come with that, i added it myself
[21:53] <ienorand> Flash crashes, what bug should I be following for latest info? Does Bug #192888 still apply in jaunty?
[21:53] <Zxcvb> going to try booting from a usb stick via a dos floppy and loadlin for the dell
[21:53] <calc> wirechief: the does ~ 100MB/s
[21:53] <calc> er the drive does
[21:53] <wirechief> calc yes im looking at getting another but 320gb
[21:53] <Zxcvb> hopefully the usb drivers (which run in 32 bit real mode, I think) won't interfere
[21:54] <ValentineX> hello any ubuntu jaunty user there?
[21:54] <wirechief> calc i am probably going to trash vista if i run into room problems
[21:54] <JMFTheVCI> Val: this is the place
[21:55] <ValentineX> wirechief: hi u dont use ubuntu?
[21:55] <wirechief> calc might try it in a vm but only if i can limit its size .
[21:55] <wirechief> ValentineX: yes, dual boot
[21:55] <aapzak> ValentineX: most of us probably run Jaunty
[21:55] <bertodsera> where do I fill a bug for 9.04?
[21:56] <calc> wirechief: i stick to xp in a vm since it uses much less memory
[21:56] <ValentineX> JMFTheVCI: oh i have one problem, i am trying to install jaunty from usb but i get error unable to detect cd rom, where i am installing from usb :( jaunty alternate
[21:56] <calc> wirechief: putting vista in a vm sounds painful
[21:56] <ValentineX> aapzak: i also want to run :(
[21:56] <wirechief> calc yes, your right vista is pure pain.
[21:56] <calc> iirc my xp vm only has 512MB allocated for it and it runs fine, for Vista you really need ~ 2GB :\
[21:56] <wirechief> calc i have winxp but the disk is scratched :(
[21:57] <JMFTheVCI> Valentine: Are you sure your BIOS support boot from USB?
[21:57] <calc> wirechief: there are ways to get a xp cd if you already have a license
[21:57] <aapzak> ValentineX: I had that problem on an older laptop too, I guess not all machines can boot and install from usb
[21:57] <BUGabundo> eternal_p: only SUN version supports it... community one doesn't
[21:57] <ValentineX> JMFTheVCI: yes, i run some steps of installation too keyboard detection etc
[21:57] <wirechief> calc yes i have a license not sure i can reuse it on a lappy though.
[21:57] <ValentineX> aapzak: i installed ubuntu 8.10 on my this old pc with usb :(
[21:57] <ienorand> bertodsera: http://launchpad.net what kind of bug
[21:57] <ienorand> ?
[21:58] <calc> wirechief: ah yea depends on what kind of xp license you got
[21:58] <aapzak> ValentineX: ok, thats weird then
[21:58] <BUGabundo> ValentineX: its more like, who doesn't! eheh
[21:58]  * calc has a legitimate VLK
[21:58] <wirechief> calc yes, well it was a upgrade from win98.. and win3.1
[21:58] <aapzak> ValentineX: your solution then is to install 8.10 and upgrade to 9.04
[21:58] <ValentineX> But in third or fourth step... where it tries to copy files from cd rom gives error .. i wonder why it goes to cd rom when i am installing from usb
[21:58] <JMFTheVCI> valentine: I booted to live version and when ubuntu was running ran the install program. I did not install direct from the USB.
[21:59] <eternal_p> BUGabundo: that is what I am running..right from the website
[21:59] <BUGabundo> calc: wirechief OT , ok?
[21:59] <wirechief> calc the computer it was originally used on is sleeping.
[21:59] <calc> wirechief: oh if it wasn't a oem install then you can probably wipe it from wherever it is currently installed and install it on the VM legally
[21:59] <ValentineX> BUGabundo: hey u :D you people introduced linux to me :D
[21:59] <wirechief> hi BUGabundo
[21:59] <bertodsera> initramfs-tools breaks dpkg on installing the nfs packages
[21:59]  * calc hushes about licensing stuff
[22:00] <BUGabundo> ValentineX: ehehe
[22:00] <BUGabundo> nice to know
[22:00] <wirechief> BUGabundo:  OT ?
[22:00] <bertodsera> ienorand: but I'm seeing quite a lot of stuff already there about initramfs-tools
[22:00] <BUGabundo> off topic
[22:00] <BUGabundo>  ! ot | wirechief
[22:00] <wirechief> k
[22:00] <BUGabundo> ValentineX: your nick is not strange to me! where do I know you from '?
[22:00] <bertodsera> anyway, nothing a "sudo dpkg --remove -a" won't cure
[22:00] <wirechief> j #unbuntu-offtopic
[22:01] <wirechief> oop
[22:01] <JMFTheVCI> calc: the windows xp license allows you to run one instance of XP. If you run it in a VM then that is OK. As long as you do not run it somewhere else at the same time
[22:01]  * BUGabundo hands a / to wirechief
[22:01] <ValentineX> aapzak: i have slow net these days otherwise that was my option too, to upgrade from 8.10 to jaunty, but i want to try ext4 :)
[22:01] <ValentineX> BUGabundo: jaiku :D
[22:01] <calc> JMFTheVCI: iirc the licensing for OEM installs on computers is more restrictive than that, but it is OT, so i'm not going to discuss it any further :)
[22:02] <calc> plus the key that is on the bottom of computers/laptops is not the same key as is used to actually install, you have to use magic jelly bean to get that one
[22:02] <calc> and iirc the key on the label isn't even valid
[22:02]  * calc hushes now
[22:02] <JMFTheVCI> calc; now you're in dodgy time.
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ValentineX: ahhh eehe
[22:03] <BUGabundo> calc: again ? :)
[22:03] <drbobb> OK... I tried to solve my issues with Jaunty's video driver by downgrading xserver-xorg + dependencies to the hardy versions.. And it's almost worked, except that now my keyboard is acting funny ;-/
[22:03] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: don't pull by him....
[22:03] <JMFTheVCI> ?
[22:03]  * calc just told JMFTheVCI the rest via privmsg
[22:04] <BUGabundo> eeheh
[22:04] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:04] <BUGabundo> not that I don't like it, I do, but its OT
[22:04] <BUGabundo> don't want to see "you know you" start issuing more kicks
[22:04] <drbobb> AltGR seems to be sending enter, arrow keys, Home/End etc are not being read correctly either
[22:04] <aapzak> drbobb: which video vdriver do you use?
[22:04] <drbobb> SiS
[22:05] <drbobb> Now broken keyboard handling is rather unexpected.. any ideas?
[22:06] <aapzak> didn't know there was anything else besides ati, nvidia and intel
[22:06] <thiebaude> i was waiting for an intel
[22:06] <BUGabundo> SiS ??? does it even work?
[22:06] <drbobb> aapzak: you must be very young
[22:06] <thiebaude> intel doesn't either
[22:06] <aapzak> drbobb: or very old :)
[22:06] <BUGabundo> drbobb: did you have to disable ACPI for it to work?
[22:06] <drbobb> aapzak: too youg to have bought a laptop 4 ys ago
[22:06] <calc> intel usually works except when they decide to break their driver for 2.5/2.6
[22:06] <drbobb> BUGabundo: no I didn't
[22:07] <calc> it probably still works better than SiS though :\
[22:07] <BUGabundo> eheh calc
[22:07] <thiebaude> i dont know been using this intel since 6.06
[22:07] <aapzak> drbobb: I'm rather old, owned a voodoo once :)
[22:07] <calc> thiebaude: intel on 9.04 is broken to varying extent depending on your chipset
[22:07] <drbobb> BUGabundo: I use noapic on the kernel command line, but I forgot what issue that solves
[22:07] <JMFTheVCI> I have intel graphics and I am up-to-date with all fixes. No graphics crashes. Is there something particular that is causing your issues.
[22:07] <voss> Im so happy I got WOW 3.1 working with wine and I found out ubuntu 9.04 automagically detected my samsung printer!
[22:08] <thiebaude> x freezes
[22:08] <calc> JMFTheVCI: not always crashes, it also is much slower than 8.10 for many users
[22:08] <aapzak> JMFTheVCI: how up-to-date are you? I have many issues with G965
[22:08] <thiebaude> im using 9.04 now but only through blackbox
[22:08] <BUGabundo> see my master bug 348626
[22:08] <calc> i think most of the crashing issues for intel 9.04 have been resolved but there are probably others still being worked on
[22:08] <drbobb> SiS worked pretty well back in Hardy.. dunno about Intrepid, skipped that release.. in Jaunty, it works but the screen flickers too much
[22:09] <voss> Whats even funnier, Wow works better in WINE once you get it working than it does in vista!
[22:09] <victim> how do I install the ATI 9.4 drivers (or are they already installed)?
[22:09] <calc> a few weeks ago it would crash every resume for me on intel 4500
[22:09] <histo> pulseaudio still jacked up
[22:09] <thiebaude> calc: i ordered the 9.04 cd, so i'll do a fresh install
[22:09] <JMFTheVCI> I have  Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03). I don't think I have seen any slowdown.
[22:09] <histo> this will be a big issue when release comes
[22:09] <aapzak> I just cannot run KDE on 9.04 with my G965]
[22:09] <calc> thiebaude: ok
[22:09] <Zxcvb> voss: many apps work in wine but not at all in vista
[22:09]  * calc probably has the 9.04 iso on his desktop already
[22:10] <calc> as the call for testing already went out
[22:10] <BUGabundo> I forgot to make my special CD request
[22:10] <drbobb> But what about the keyboard issue? still waiting for ideas.. If I can fix that, I'll be happy for a good while
[22:10] <thiebaude> calc: im pretty sure ubuntu will reconize the intel out of the box
[22:10] <BUGabundo> now marilize will never ship mine in time :(
[22:10] <aapzak> JMFTheVCI: gnome wihout compiz on EXA works fine
[22:10] <calc> thiebaude: yes it recogonizes the intel video cards but they don't work very well... due to intel themselves breaking their driver
[22:10] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: i've been ordering the cd's since 6.06
[22:10] <BUGabundo> me 2
[22:10] <calc> thiebaude: read phoronix articles about the situation if you want to know details
[22:11] <aapzak> calc: multiple problems on intels
[22:11] <JMFTheVCI> aapzak: I have gnome with compiz and it works fine.
[22:11] <calc> i just grab the cd's at UDS each time :)
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I spend more CDs then our LoCoTeam
[22:11] <aapzak> JMFTheVCI: no huge memload after a while?
[22:11] <JMFTheVCI> aapzak, not that I have noticed.
[22:11] <BUGabundo> calc: if you pass along North of Portugal leave me a few
[22:11] <voss> Can you use a amd quad-core with 533 memory?
[22:11] <JMFTheVCI> I only have 2GB and it rarely swaps.
[22:12] <aapzak> JMFTheVCI: gnome seems to run alright, KDE however, swapping starts within half an hour of KDEing
[22:12] <calc> BUGabundo: i'll be flying over it but i doubt they will open the door for me :)
[22:12] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: want me to lend you my email client and inbox?
[22:12] <aapzak> JMFTheVCI: and it will be X which is huge then
[22:12] <thiebaude> haha
[22:12] <calc> BUGabundo: UDS in may is in Barcelona :)
[22:12] <BUGabundo> Mem:          3895       3635        260          0         69       1340
[22:13] <BUGabundo> calc: I know! if it was cheaper, I would go
[22:13] <JMFTheVCI> apzak: KDE was total pants for me. chucked it after 15 mins.
[22:13] <BUGabundo> but out of a job is hard to pay for 5 days in (expensive) barcelona
[22:13] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: I really wish you stop putting down KDE4
[22:13] <aapzak> JMFTheVCI: I'm always switching between Gnome and KDE, they both have things I like
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[22:14] <thiebaude> lol
[22:14] <calc> BUGabundo: yea :\
[22:14]  * Twigathy waves his little xfce4 flag c-c
[22:14] <Zxcvb> not sure about 4.2, but kde 4.x used to require hand editing config files for lots of stuff you could easily do in kcontrol in 3.x
[22:14] <thiebaude> and i wave my blackbox flag,lol
[22:15] <yoasif> KDE4 is slower than GNOME right?
[22:15] <Twigathy> I use ratpoison on the machines up at uni because they have somewhat limited screen real estate :)
[22:15] <aapzak> yoasif: not neccesairy
[22:15] <Zxcvb> yoasif: for now mabye, but gnome will be slower once the .net rewrite is finished
[22:15] <thiebaude> yoasif: i think it is
[22:15] <aapzak> kde4 is pretty fast
[22:16] <aapzak> depending on you videocard :)
[22:16] <Zxcvb> yoasif: assuming they actually go ahead and rewrite all of gnome in .net/C#
[22:16] <yoasif> heh well i just use gnome-panel in openbox
[22:16] <yoasif> and gtk apps otherwise
[22:16] <yoasif> so KDE looks a lot slower than what im doing now
[22:16] <aapzak> :)
[22:17] <aapzak> you might be right, building of the screen takes a lot of time, konsole doesn't scroll as high speed as gnome-terminal
[22:17] <calc> Zxcvb: what .net rewrite?
[22:17] <aapzak> konqueror scrolls slower than firefox
[22:17] <yoasif> aapzak: i'm not a huge fan of compositing, seems to be buggy and slower
[22:18] <aapzak> kate is a fantastic editor but again, scolls slow
[22:18] <aapzak> yoasif: me neither
[22:18] <calc> Zxcvb: only a couple of pieces of gnome are written in .net and i haven't heard of any plans for anything else to be
[22:18] <yoasif> calc: he means mono
[22:18] <aapzak> yeah
[22:18] <Zxcvb> calc: they were talking about rewriting gnome to be based on mono/.net/c#
[22:18] <calc> yoasif: i know
[22:18] <Zxcvb> calc: no C or C++ at all
[22:18] <calc> Zxcvb: where?
[22:18] <aapzak> bad idea
[22:18]  * calc thinks maybe some non-developer crackpot talked about it perhaps ;-)
[22:18] <yoasif> isnt that just gnome 3, and even then, just the "desktop" portion?
[22:19] <olaf-vom> hi everyone -- just upgraded to 9.04-rc, but it seems my nvidia geforce 6150 is broken. (only rather basic graphics-driver.) not sure on how to configure xorg.conf-less X ... any idea you could give me?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I think you guys are confusing WMs
[22:19] <calc> gnome 3 is definitely not a rewrite in MONO
[22:19] <yoasif> i still doubt that kde will be faster, mono is not horribly slow or anythng
[22:19] <BUGabundo> KWIN is much lighter then COMPIZ
[22:19] <aapzak> I dislike building a ground for .net
[22:19] <Zxcvb> calc: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/01/gnome_to_be_based/
[22:19] <calc> gnome 3.0 is for the most part just a deprecation of old bad libraries not used any more or that shouldn't be being used anymore
[22:19] <yoasif> is kwin less buggy than compiz?
[22:19] <aapzak> BUGabundo: kwin != compiz?
[22:19] <calc> Zxcvb: quoting a 7 year old article, eh?
[22:19] <yoasif> xfce's composition seems pretty stable to me
[22:20] <BUGabundo> aapzak: of course
[22:20] <calc> Zxcvb: perhaps the article is wrong? ;-)
[22:20] <Zxcvb> or they decided against it
[22:20] <BUGabundo> gnome 3.0 will try to rewrite system libs, that are still in ANSI C
[22:20] <calc> Zxcvb: i think miguel wanted it but no one else did so it never happened
[22:20] <aapzak> BUGabundo: then I think kwin is much slower, at least on my intel
[22:20] <BUGabundo> aapzak: shouldn't! kwin is supposed to take advanted of QT
[22:21] <Zxcvb> calc: yeah, rewriting gnome from scratch would be a pain
[22:21] <calc> Zxcvb: iirc it took 4+ years from that article before the first bit was added that used mono (tomboy)
[22:21] <aapzak> kwin compositing is much more clasier though
[22:21] <BUGabundo> Zxcvb: KDE did that! the rewrote everything and ported apps
[22:21] <badfish69> 3 days right?
[22:21] <aapzak> BUGabundo: I cannot run kwin+candy on EXA
[22:21] <calc> Zxcvb: and rewriting a desktop into something slow like java, .net, or python is insane
[22:21] <aapzak> compiz runs very smooth on EXA
[22:21] <BUGabundo> badfish69: around that, yes
[22:22] <calc> BUGabundo: and KDE still hasn't gotten back to the functional level of kde 3.5 several years later
[22:22] <Zxcvb> calc: like emacs, nice (if slow) OS but needs a text editor
[22:22] <BUGabundo> 2 years, 4 cycles
[22:22] <BUGabundo> 4.3 and 4.5 are expected to be Stable
[22:23] <aapzak> BUGabundo: I really like the KDE progress but its far from good enough to use at work
[22:23] <aapzak> and I am/was a KDE fanboy :)
[22:23] <yoasif> QT is so ugly by default though :(
[22:24] <aapzak> noway
[22:24] <yoasif> never really managed to make it look nice
[22:24] <BUGabundo> QT you are talking about SKIN... QT is much more then that
[22:24] <aapzak> taste , lets discuss taste :)
[22:24] <aapzak> besides, I think QT apps look very good
[22:24] <mphill> qt and gtk both make my eyes bleed
[22:24] <BUGabundo> aapzak: lets not!
[22:24] <yoasif> hehe
[22:24]  * BUGabundo renames +1 to offtopic
[22:25] <aapzak> :)
[22:25] <calc> BUGabundo: well it goes away in 4 days anyway :)
[22:25] <aapzak> its a bit on-topic
[22:25] <mphill> they both look like motif to me
[22:25] <Yakibeef> How can i update to jaunty?  I have my software sources set to normal, but I do not get an option to upgrade
[22:25] <BUGabundo> Yakibeef: $ update-manager -d
[22:25] <BUGabundo> please READ the release notes
[22:26] <BUGabundo> Yakibeef: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[22:26] <Yakibeef> Thank you much
[22:27] <aapzak> seems to me reading a releasenote should be easier than droppin into irc channel, fubby
[22:27] <aapzak> funny
[22:27] <yoasif> so when is ubuntu going to look better than osx? ;)
[22:27] <aapzak> hehehe
[22:27] <mphill> soon
[22:27] <aapzak> never
[22:27] <mphill> no way
[22:27] <mphill> gtk 3.0
[22:27] <yoasif> i dunno ive seen some of the stuff for karmic
[22:27] <yoasif> not really liking it too much
[22:28] <mphill> yoasif: what have you seen?
[22:28] <aapzak> best designers work @ apple
[22:28] <BUGabundo> aapzak: ohh that's low
[22:28] <calc> yoasif: 1-2 years probably :)
[22:28] <aapzak> BUGabundo: is it?
[22:28] <calc> ubuntu is getting more designers all the time :)
[22:28] <aapzak> OSX has been looking like this for years
[22:28] <mphill> gnome 3.0 and gtk will probably be a huge push in the right direction
[22:28] <calc> the first bits of the work are going in to 9.04
[22:29] <aapzak> I really like the new notifications
[22:29] <yoasif> mphill: cant find it atm, just some mockups for some new themes
[22:29] <yoasif> on wiki
[22:29] <BUGabundo> calc: canonical just didn't get Nuno Pinheiro!
[22:29] <calc> prior to 9.04 there weren't really anyone working on desktop design for Ubuntu
[22:29] <BUGabundo> that guy works REALLY well
[22:29] <mphill> the new themes in jaunty are slick
[22:29] <mphill> dust
[22:29] <BUGabundo> not cheap, but wonderful work
[22:29] <aapzak> Nuno isn't at apple either, right? Did he do Oxygen?
[22:29]  * BUGabundo hates how dark human looks on white
[22:30] <BUGabundo> aapzak: he did, him and his team
[22:30] <yoasif> ew oxygen looks like crap
[22:30] <aapzak> :)
[22:30] <BUGabundo> I really should file a bug on Dark Theme
[22:30] <yoasif> i much prefer shiki colors and the like
[22:30]  * BUGabundo punchs yoasif
[22:30] <aapzak> oxygen looks very very good
[22:30] <calc> BUGabundo: they are hiring for several other DX people currently
[22:30]  * BUGabundo goes read Code of Conduct
[22:31] <yoasif> oxygen looks like a shoddy copy of osx sorry
[22:31] <calc> iirc Ken, current artwork guy, worked on oxygen as well
[22:31] <aapzak> I love OSX and I like oxygen a lot
[22:31] <yoasif> kde4 looks like a really weird looking mix of osx and 7
[22:31] <BUGabundo> calc: don't know him
[22:32] <aapzak> yoasif: I guess thats the chosen direction
[22:32]  * calc doesn't like oxygen theme much either.. but the people who made the icons definitely know what they are doing
[22:32] <yoasif> for karmic, really? thats so lame :(
[22:32] <BUGabundo> but I had the chance to co-organize TOKAMAK and have 16 KDE core devs with me for 5 days WOOT
[22:32] <yoasif> i mean, i love os x but we need something NICER not something that looks like a shoddy ripoff :/
[22:32] <thiebaude> windows 7 copied kde
[22:33] <aapzak> point for thiebaude
[22:33] <yoasif> thiebaude: yeah, but it still manages to look better (and i really dont like msft)
[22:33] <aapzak> OSX invented the eye-candy, gnome/kde/compiz challenge osx, 7 copies :)
[22:33] <calc> there are some MS patents that actually reference KDE work, been a while since i saw it though so i can't remember the patent number
[22:33] <thiebaude> i cant run win7 and sure cant vista with 512mb
[22:34] <calc> thiebaude: win7 seems to take less resources than vista, but i am not sure how much less
[22:34] <drbobb> I just loaded jaunty on a 5+ year-old HP compaq laptop. Unfortunately, inserting a PCMCIA wifi card makes the kernel panic
[22:34] <thiebaude> calc: true
[22:34] <yoasif> calc: more than xp, less than vista
[22:34] <thiebaude> calc win7 1gb
[22:34] <yoasif> not a bad OS overall, my machine suspends perfectly using it
[22:34] <calc> and Ubuntu less than all of them (at least once xp has a virus scanner/etc)
[22:34] <aapzak> I think OSX is the heaviest, the slowest
[22:35] <yoasif> unlike ubuntu
[22:35] <aapzak> but noone cares about that with osx, funny ey?
[22:35] <yoasif> aapzak: osx is faster than gnome, surprisingly
[22:35] <calc> ubuntu takes ~ 250MB booted into Gnome
[22:35] <aapzak> yoasif: is it?
[22:35] <yoasif> (same hardware, tried it)
[22:35] <thiebaude> calc: thats why i use blackbox
[22:35] <calc> drbobb: do you have the laptop running the newest bios available?
[22:35] <aapzak> then I need a new iMac, the machine anoys me
[22:35] <yoasif> yeah, i have some older vintage boxes (3ghz p4 is now vintage)
[22:36] <thiebaude> most of the time i have 300mb free ram
[22:36] <drbobb> calc: I have no idea
[22:36] <yoasif> but osx definitely runs faster than gnome on it
[22:36] <calc> drbobb: could be a port resource issue that possibly could be fixed with a newer bios
[22:36] <calc> my wife's computer is pretty old, athlon64 3200+, 2gb ram, 250gb hd
[22:37] <aapzak> yoasif: I've got the first Intel mac, it makes me wait a lot :(
[22:37] <drbobb> calc: the reason it was free to play with was that i tried to reinstall XP on it and failed, the windows installer faild to reformat the hdd
[22:37] <yoasif> i want more focus on speeding stuff up, heh
[22:37] <calc> drbobb: ah
[22:37] <BUGabundo> calc: last time I tried a daily image on my laptop 64bits, after boot took 234MiBs
[22:37] <siegie> yoasif: osx must only work one kind of pc, while ubuntu works on ...
[22:37] <BUGabundo> calc: that's *old* ? LOL
[22:37] <thiebaude> xp used the least ram because the min is 64mb
[22:37] <drbobb> so I threw Ubuntu at it to see if I can trigger a drive failure there. Nothing so far
[22:38] <yoasif> siegie: i know that, but os x on the same hardware is faster than gnome
[22:38] <yoasif> thats all that really matters at the end of the day in the speed question
[22:39] <siegie> yoasif: linux can be optimized, remember the 3 seconds boot?
[22:39] <calc> BUGabundo: i'm supposed to give her my current computer around the end of the year
[22:39] <aapzak> siegie: the point was that I claimed OSX was slow
[22:39] <calc> BUGabundo: c2d e6300, 4gb ram, 500gb hd
[22:40] <aapzak> and yoasif knows I was wrong :)
[22:40] <yoasif> hehe
[22:40] <calc> thiebaude: yea but xp in practice uses 400MB+ at boot after loading a few apps on it
[22:40] <calc> thiebaude: esp virus scanners, heh
[22:40] <drbobb> I still need some help.. what has changed so seriously about keyboard handling in recent releases? on my keyboard, mapping of PgUp/PgDn/Home/End etc is all messed up
[22:40] <siegie> aapzak: then apple does a verry bad job, with the advantages they have :)
[22:40] <thiebaude> calc: yup
[22:40] <aapzak> siegie: I was wrong
[22:40] <calc> BUGabundo: well the athlon64 3200+ is 5 years old now
[22:41] <thiebaude> calc: im glad i only have ubuntu 9.04 on this computer
[22:41] <thiebaude> a 9.04 that doesn't work,lol
[22:41] <BUGabundo> calc: my old desktop is a AMD 1.9+ with 512MiBs of ram
[22:41] <BUGabundo> old laptop is a PM 1.7 with 1GiB of RAM
[22:41] <yoasif> i remember when linux was faster than osx ... on my b&w g3, os x 10.1 vs yellow dog linux...
[22:42] <calc> BUGabundo: i had something like that for my previous computer to my wife's current one, oct 2001, athlonxp 1800+, 1GB ram (iirc), 2 100GB HD
[22:42] <yoasif> even without a propietary graphic driver
[22:42] <yoasif> gnome etc have gotten more bloated as osx has slimmed down
[22:42] <yoasif> (bw g3 @ 350mhz)
[22:42] <calc> yoasif: macos 10.5 runs faster on your b&w g3 than 10.1 ?
[22:43]  * calc thought current osx didn't even still run on ppc
[22:43] <aapzak> I believe 10.5 is the last ppc osx
[22:43] <yoasif> calc: nope... 10.2/3 ran faster than 10.1 though
[22:43] <yoasif> and l0.5 does run on ppc, slower though than 10.4
[22:43] <calc> yoasif: ubuntu 9.04 runs faster than older Ubuntu (except for Intel braindamage)
[22:44] <thiebaude> haha
[22:44] <yoasif> calc: where are the speedups coming from? upstream, i assume?
[22:44] <badfish69> intel braindamage?
[22:44] <yoasif> im seeing stuff on the forums about slowdowns though
[22:45] <thiebaude> badfish69: i815
[22:45] <aapzak> I guess a lot depends on how much memory you have'
[22:45] <yoasif> im sure we'll see more of those once jaunty is stable
[22:45] <calc> yoasif: boot speedup was from ubuntu itself, the other parts mostly from upstream and compiler improvements
[22:46] <yoasif> boot speedup concerns me less than my suspend not working ;) sucky to have a laptop without working suspend
[22:46] <calc> yoasif: probably most of the things you are seeing wrt slow downs are due to people having intel video... which slowed down a LOT on 9.04 due to intel screwing up their driver
[22:46] <aapzak> yoasif: even ... if suspends works, we don't care about boot time at all
[22:46] <calc> yoasif: if you had been around to do the suspend/resume testing ~ 1-2 months ago when the call went out yours would work
[22:47] <yoasif> bah... what call? :p
[22:47] <yoasif> ill start hanging out here more though
[22:47] <calc> yoasif: there was a large push to make sure suspend/resume worked on every persons laptop that tested it
[22:47] <yoasif> maybe it can get it fixed for karmic
[22:47] <calc> yoasif: it was on the ubuntu mailing lists
[22:47] <yoasif> calc: yeah, who do i contact about that *now*
[22:47] <yoasif> yeah, i need to get on those too :/
[22:48] <calc> yoasif: uh probably should contact ogasawara
[22:48] <aapzak> I think Intel is working very hard on rigoreus changes in their drivers
[22:48] <BUGabundo> my hibernate works, but 50% of the time it won't power off
[22:48] <aapzak> I hope we'll see lot of improvement soon, they release quite often
[22:48] <calc> aapzak: yea its just taking a lot longer than expected (i suppose) and has been broken for 6 months or so
[22:48] <BUGabundo> plus I get a trace back on shutdown 80% of the time
[22:49] <BUGabundo> I wish I had a better phone camera to take a pic
[22:49] <calc> also file bugs about your problems in launchpad :)
[22:49] <yoasif> calc: how? email?
[22:49] <yoasif> calc: already done
[22:49] <calc> yoasif: yea or via irc
[22:49] <aapzak> calc: isn't intel the most progressive video driver developer? one day we will be very happy with intel
[22:50] <yoasif> yeah i'm not worried about intel, they support linux a good deal
[22:50] <calc> aapzak: yea eventually we will be but after they have made desktop linux unusable for a while :\
[22:51] <calc> someone forward ported the old intel 2.4 x driver so that might work well enough for this release cycle
[22:51] <aapzak> calc: I don't know what you need, but without too much eye candy it works fine?
[22:51] <yoasif> calc: that is crap and you know it. it's up to the distros to make sure things work for end users
[22:51] <calc> aapzak: oh it works fine for me, but anyone who does compositing or 3d it is EXTREMELY slow for
[22:51] <yoasif> shuttleworth says this as well, so it's not like i'm spreading heresy
[22:51] <calc> aiui if you have compiz on it is very slow for most users, i hate compiz and always turn it off, so i don't see many issues myself
[22:52] <aapzak> calc: actually, compiz works very smooth, even with EXA without any options
[22:52] <voss> calc, which intel driver is having the problem?
[22:52] <thiebaude> aapzak: i even tried AccelMethod and UXA and it made it worse
[22:52] <aapzak> voss: x3100, g965 , that family
[22:52] <BUGabundo> calc: humm i like it
[22:52] <calc> yoasif: so... intel 2.4 didn't work at all with new xorg, the intel driver that works with new xorg just plain doesn't work, and so no blame at all rests with upstream... sure
[22:52] <thiebaude> it couldn't even finish booting
[22:52] <BUGabundo> for many months and releases I disabled it too
[22:53] <aapzak> thiebaude: that made my laptop unstable, huge memload on X
[22:53] <BUGabundo> until I got it exaclty was I want Compiz working
[22:53] <cwillu> thiebaude, uxa with vsync on will be horrible
[22:53] <thiebaude> aapzak: i have 9.04 and cant even use it
[22:53] <BUGabundo> now it's a TOOL more then Fancy stuff
[22:53] <calc> the situation was so bad that someone finally stepped up and ported intel x 2.4 driver to new xorg so people could have something halfway reliable to use
[22:53] <voss> aapzak, I have a dell mini 9, it uses 945 chipset. All the rest of my stuff is nvidia
[22:53] <BUGabundo> plus it helps me "sell" Ubuntu
[22:53] <thiebaude> im glad im able to get to a boot menu
[22:54] <calc> voss: the intel driver, it breaks in different ways depending on the chipset you have apparently on 965 it breaks pretty badly
[22:54] <aapzak> voss: then you have the same intel issues we're talking about
[22:54] <thiebaude> i mean log in screen
[22:54] <calc> afaik there is only one main intel driver - xserver-xorg-video-intel
[22:54] <thiebaude> x freezes and then the mouse freezes
[22:54] <voss> aap, I havent had any problems so far with my mini and 9.04
[22:54] <aapzak> voss: depends on what you do
[22:54] <aapzak> UXA is a problem
[22:55] <aapzak> and EXA performs badly
[22:55] <voss> aap, 945 doesnt do much 3d stuff anyway
[22:55] <aapzak> I cannot run KDE on this laptop
[22:55] <thiebaude> aapzak: but ubuntu 8.10 is great
[22:55] <aapzak> I love 9.04 too :)
[22:56] <aapzak> It's just like walking on thin ice, I manage to keep it running but I wish it was easier
[22:56] <aapzak> it is a matter of time
[22:56] <aapzak> overal this release is very pretty
[22:56] <aapzak> and intel will fix this driver
[22:57] <voss> aapzak, No pretty is 9.04 NBR!
[22:57] <thiebaude> aapzak: amazing thing about linux, even though i cant use the 9.04 kernel, i can still use linux
[22:57] <thiebaude> no way windows can do that
[22:57] <voss> 9.04 NBR is gorgeous!
[22:57] <aapzak> thiebaude: you lost me :)
[22:58] <thiebaude> aapzak: i can get to a log in screen and choose gnome or blackbox
[22:58] <voss> I only wish Dell would use it on their mini 9 and 10s
[22:58] <voss> KDE has been problematic since 4.0 anyway
[22:58] <thiebaude> aapzak: and gnome would be the wrong choice
[22:59] <yoasif> anyone in here a packager?
[22:59] <aapzak> voss: like Intel, kde has a nice future, won't take too long
[22:59] <aapzak> thiebaude: you confused me with the 9.04 kernel :)
[22:59] <voss> aapzak, the problem is KDE has a lot of nice features, features that should have waited for kde 4.5 :)
[22:59] <yoasif> i installed jwm but it doesn't create a new entry in the login prompt
[22:59] <thiebaude> aapzak: i think i didn't say that right,lol
[23:00] <aapzak> voss: maybe they released too early, but how else are you going to get beta/test users?
[23:01] <aapzak> it comes with the model
[23:01] <dotblank> hey Anyone noticeing the gtk 2.6 filechooser save dialog is really slow and takes 20 secs to open?
[23:01] <thiebaude> aapzak: i was wondering should they delay it like they did with 6.06
[23:01] <dotblank> with OO.org save dialog is very very slow
[23:01] <AaronMT> dotblank: Where is this dialog?
[23:02] <dotblank> As well as inkscape
[23:02] <aapzak> thiebaude: thisone is hard, when will the driver be alright? I would not delay I think
[23:02] <thiebaude> aapzak: and i wonder will future releases be like this
[23:02] <dotblank> This is weird cause the open dialog is normal
[23:03] <aapzak> thiebaude: I guess its always possible that not everything is working 100%
[23:04] <thiebaude> im going to check if i have 9.04 updates
[23:05] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: I did ! a bunch too
[23:06] <thiebaude> oh ok
[23:06] <thiebaude> i have none,:-(
[23:08] <aapzak> just a couple here
[23:09] <Jordan_U> I get a grub error about "unsupported executable format" when trying to boot 2.6.28-11
[23:10] <Z3ro3X> I've been having random (all though rare) hard lock ups after installing ubuntu 9.04 with / as ext4.  Is this from the new file system or running the RC of ubuntu?
[23:11] <aapzak> btw, I'm looking forward to the xorg fix which fixes the memory leak when using UXA. How can I find out if this upstream fix is already in Ubuntu?
[23:12] <aapzak> Z3ro3X: I've had some lockups (not really, but heavy swapping) on Intel gfx + kde
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Z3ro3X: talk to cwillu. he is our resident speciallist on those bugs
[23:12] <Z3ro3X> cwillu, Hey.
[23:14] <BUGabundo> YAY net split
[23:14] <Z3ro3X> I think I just felt a great disturbance in the force.
[23:16] <Jordan_U> Z3ro3X, Known bug with ext4, unfortunately won't be fixed by release ( or at least doesn't look like it will be )
[23:16] <Z3ro3X> Jordan_U, But is it related to ext4 or a bug in the RC?  That's what I want to know.
[23:19] <Othor> are nautilus scripts broken? none of mine are working
[23:21] <Othor> i tried to make a simple python script that just displays the value of NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATHS in a message box, but it didn't show on the screen
[23:21] <syke> hi
[23:22] <syke> any Canonical folks around?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> syke: a few
[23:23] <BUGabundo> why? does it matter?
[23:23] <syke> I noticed a bug in pmccabe 2.5: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19404556/pmccabe_2.4%2Bnmu1_2.5.diff.gz
[23:23] <syke> -echo "\nAnalyzing $newdir ...\c" >&2
[23:23] <syke> +prnitf "\nAnalyzing %s ..." "$newdir" >&2
[23:24] <syke> the second line is supposed to be printf
[23:24] <BUGabundo> so what you want is a LP dev
[23:24] <BUGabundo> syke: try #launchpad
[23:24] <BUGabundo> or file a bug
[23:24] <meoblast001> hi
[23:24] <meoblast001> has the art team made their contributions yet?
[23:24] <syke> LP dev?
[23:25] <syke> oh, launchpad
[23:25] <aapzak> meoblast001: I think it looks amazing, I'd say they did ;)
[23:25] <meoblast001> new sounds?
[23:25] <meoblast001> tell me new sounds or i'll pop my brain out the back of my skull
[23:26] <aapzak> meoblast001: I never use sounds
[23:26] <meoblast001> aapzak: like the login sounds?
[23:26] <aapzak> ah, still the same I guess
[23:26] <aapzak> meoblast001: as little OS sound as possible
[23:26]  * meoblast001 shoots himself
[23:27] <aapzak> meo?
[23:27] <aapzak> meoblast001?
[23:27] <Othor> are nautilus scripts broken? none of mine are working
[23:27]  * meoblast001 has been getting sick of the same sound for the past 2 years
[23:27]  * aapzak always disables those sounds
[23:27] <BluesKaj> i just disable the dumb sounds
[23:27] <aapzak> meoblast001: I do that since the windows jungle sound theme :)
[23:28] <yoasif> i don't get why sounds are even on by default
[23:28] <meoblast001> aapzak: why can't we have something new every 5 years?
[23:28] <meoblast001> if 9.10 doesn't have new sounds.. i'm making them
[23:28] <meoblast001> and i'll force everyone to like them
[23:28] <meoblast001> >:)
[23:28] <aapzak> :)
[23:29] <BUGabundo> I had my sounds disalbe for 2 years
[23:29] <meoblast001> i'll file a brainstorm entry "New Freaking Sounds.. AHHH"
[23:29] <BUGabundo> brought them back 3 weeks ago
[23:30] <aapzak> the woman I married uses sounds on her msgr, every login/logout produces sound, annoys the %@@& out of me
[23:30] <mrwes> divorce her
[23:31] <void^> married, past tense. see the problem there?
[23:31] <mrwes> :)
[23:31] <aapzak> I can hear my own laptop reboots through her machine :)
[23:31] <meoblast001> aapzak: so that means you would vote yes for new sounds?
[23:31] <syke> will gcc-snapshot be updated to GCC 4.4 RC1?
[23:32] <aapzak> void^: to marry, is a one time activity, which happened in the past :)
[23:32] <meoblast001> aapzak: and lasts a life time :P
[23:32] <Othor> anyone else having issue with nautilus scripts?
[23:32] <aapzak> meoblast001: I never use sounds, could not care less :)
[23:32] <aapzak> meoblast001: exactly
[23:32] <BUGabundo> aapzak: divorce her?
[23:33] <aapzak> hehehe, no way
[23:33] <BUGabundo> Othor: please stop asking , ok?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> aapzak: she is that good?
[23:33] <meoblast001> who agrees with me that the Linux kernel needs to support something like DLL's... where you can basically put SO's in the directory of the executable?
[23:33] <aapzak> she's interesting :)
[23:33] <BUGabundo> can you lend her to me for a while?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> meoblast001: those are called Modules!
[23:33] <Othor> BUGabundo, sorry i thought this was a support channel
[23:34] <aapzak> BUGabundo: we'll see :)
[23:34] <BUGabundo> Othor: it is! asking it 4 times is just "noise"
[23:34] <coppro> random question: What is with libklibcgoobledegookblabla.so?
[23:35] <meoblast001> BUGabundo: so suppose i make a game engine... with multiple versions for each game that uses it.... so i can't make a libmygameengine..... i need to include the .so with the executable.. and each game needs to have it's own mygameengine.so
[23:35] <Mrafrohead> howdy
[23:35] <calc> meoblast001: why would the kernel need to do something instead of the linker?
[23:35]  * BUGabundo felt blasted with meoblast001 sentence
[23:35] <BUGabundo> Mrafrohead: hey
[23:35] <meoblast001> BUGabundo: making fun of my name?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> meoblast001: no....
[23:36] <Mrafrohead> I was referred here from #ubuntu on EFNET.  I am running into a problem with auto-logon.  it is not logging in, instead seems to sit at a black screen and white mouse cursor.
[23:36] <meoblast001> calc: well... more so ELF would
[23:36] <BUGabundo> really I didn't
[23:36]  * calc thinks meoblast001 doesn't understand the basics of how things work or otherwise wouldn't be suggesting to massively increase the amount of ram usage
[23:36] <BUGabundo> pure coincedece... believe me
[23:36] <Mrafrohead> anyone have any idears?
[23:36] <calc> meoblast001: ELF has no need to know where to look for libraries
[23:36] <joaopinto> meoblast001, you can already do that with .so files or just doing a static build
[23:36] <meoblast001> calc: currently, it only looks in /usr/lib... nowhere else
[23:36] <calc> meoblast001: perhaps get a clue first would help?
[23:36]  * Mrafrohead is hoping it is a known problem.
[23:36] <BUGabundo> Mrafrohead: are you using Jaunty ?
[23:36] <Mrafrohead> BUGabundo, yes, I am.
[23:36] <calc> meoblast001: the kernel and the ELF standard have nothing to do with /usr/lib at all
[23:36] <meoblast001> calc: no.. i'm not saying make it a standard like Windows has... but to make it an option for when necessary
[23:37] <meoblast001> calc: then what does?
[23:37] <calc> meoblast001: best solution for you are proposing (afaict anyway) is just to use static linking
[23:37] <BUGabundo> Mrafrohead: how old is your install? do you have an Intel GPU?
[23:37] <calc> meoblast001: the linker is what would need to change and even then that isn't needed since you can use rpath
[23:37] <Mrafrohead> BUGabundo, I did a dist-upgrade this morning when I woke up.  Installed from RC alt ISO day before yesterday.  yes, intel gpu.
[23:37] <calc> meoblast001: i think the issue is you don't have any idea what you are talking about at all
[23:38] <meoblast001> calc: ok :)
[23:38] <aapzak> lol
[23:38] <meoblast001> calc: there's no such thing as a stupid question... just a stupid meoblast001
[23:38]  * calc is trying to be as little rude as possible, but its the truth :)
[23:38] <BUGabundo> Mrafrohead: what filesystem? ext4 ?
[23:38] <Mrafrohead> BUGabundo, yes
[23:38] <aapzak> BUGabundo, Mrafrohead would removing xorg.conf help?
[23:38] <soc> hi
[23:38] <calc> meoblast001: if you want to hardcode a library path into a binary use rpath, if you have no need for the library to be separate to begin with then just static link
[23:38] <BUGabundo> Mrafrohead: ping cwillu... he is the guy that can help you out
[23:39] <soc> can someone tell me if these ship-it cds are 32bit or 64bit?
[23:39] <calc> meoblast001: if you want a real dynamic library install it in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib, etc
[23:39] <BUGabundo> aapzak: better to run XFIX from recovery console
[23:39] <Mrafrohead> BUGabundo, thank you. will do.
[23:39] <meoblast001> calc: yeah..... static would probably be best
[23:39] <BUGabundo> soc: it used to be your choice
[23:39] <BUGabundo> soc: on ibex it was 32 ONLY
[23:39] <BUGabundo> not sure how will jaunty be
[23:39] <calc> meoblast001: using static linking and/or private copies of libraries in the general case is bad because you end up using a LOT more ram
[23:39] <aapzak> BUGabundo: I had some non-working xorg.confs after upgrades but current xorg doesn't need a config at all
[23:40] <BUGabundo> soc: but you can make a special request for 64 bit, I guess
[23:40] <calc> meoblast001: but for truely private libraries that nothing else use it is ok to do that
[23:40] <BUGabundo> aapzak: that's why XFIX is a good idea
[23:40] <meoblast001> calc: oh yeah.. i don't want private copies of libraries.. that has more than just 1 negative side effect
[23:40] <meoblast001> calc: creates a security risk, uses more harddisk space, gives your OS the name Windows
[23:40] <soc> BUGabundo: no, even on the special request site, there is no option
[23:40] <calc> meoblast001: yea it can also cause symbol collisions which is bad also :)
[23:40] <Mrafrohead> aapzak, I don't know about the xorg.conf.  the display is working.  just not continuing on...
[23:41] <kole> soo... all of a sudden all my compiz effects arnt working in jaunty RC... worked yesterday... rebooted and all of a sudden only have 2 workspaces and no cube... in compiz settings it says both are on...
[23:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, did any of you try jaunty on an acer d150x? Is it working *well*?
[23:41] <meoblast001> calc: symbol collisions?
[23:41] <soc> BUGabundo: it isn't even mentioned what they will ship
[23:41] <aapzak> kole: the compiz blacklist got updated
[23:41] <BUGabundo> soc: you are right!
[23:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I only find greek pages on google, I can't read greek yet :)
[23:41] <kole> aapzak, - whats that mean?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> kole: 2 workspaces can give you a CUBE
[23:42] <aapzak> kole: compiz won't start on some chipsets
[23:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that is a coobe
[23:42] <kole> i dont really care about the cube.... i just want 4 workspaces
[23:42] <soc> BUGabundo: do you know if there is an irc-channel with people from canonical/ship-it?
[23:42] <aapzak> kole: got intel gfx?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> soc: no! but if you figure it out, let me know
[23:43] <meoblast001> why do files have the lock symbol on them when i pull them from trash? is that fixed in 9.04?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I guess you could mention if on the special request form soc
[23:43] <calc> meoblast001: different versions of the same library being loaded into the same program
[23:43] <kole> aapzak,  - tis very possible
[23:43] <kole> built in graphics card on my dell
[23:43] <calc> meoblast001: due to other libraries, etc depending on them and pulling in different copies
[23:43] <aapzak> http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[23:43] <soc> BUGabundo: no, the only option is the quantity :-/
[23:43] <kole> but... whyyyy? it worked great before
[23:43] <aapzak> kole: I had that problem after upgrading this morning
[23:43] <BUGabundo> soc: "Why are you requesting these CDs?                        (Your answer must be in English)           "
[23:44] <BUGabundo> there's a form there
[23:44] <meoblast001> calc: well... some day i do want to make my own game engine (after getting game experience from working with Crystal Space), and i want it to not require you to use the same version with every game
[23:45] <aapzak> kole: there are some problems with some chipsets
[23:45] <soc> ah ok, but i guess, if they don't offer a choice, there is no choice ... i don't believe they will pressing some cds just for me
[23:45] <aapzak> kole: checkout the url I pasted before
[23:46] <aapzak> I used the third trick on the page and can run compiz again
[23:47] <kole> so if i use the first one is it perememnent fix?
[23:47] <aapzak> kole: workaround :)
[23:48] <kole> okay but is it permemnent :P
[23:48] <aapzak> I'd use the third if I were you, would not know where to config the first two
[23:48] <kole> i just typed the first one in the terminal and it worked
[23:48] <aapzak> you could do that every time you login :)
[23:49] <aapzak> and now I understand your question :)
[23:49] <aapzak> no, its not permanemt
[23:49] <kole> okay
[23:49] <kole> so i just have to find the file and edit it
[23:49] <aapzak> the file probably doesn't exist yet
[23:50] <aapzak> ~/ is your homedir
[23:50] <aapzak> in your home is a dir .config/compiz
[23:51] <kole> found it
[23:51] <kole> lets see if this works or breaks ubuntu :P
[23:51] <kole> brb
[23:51] <aapzak> it won't
[23:53] <Dougshell> hey guys is there a way to seperate your home folder into a new partition without hey guys...whats teh easiest way to make a home partition
[23:53] <Dougshell> on an install that is already running not a new one
[23:54] <kole> so... it didnt work
[23:54] <aapzak> kole, did you switch effects on?
[23:54] <kole> ...huh?
[23:54] <kole> just tell me what to do step by step :P
[23:55] <aapzak> menu: System -> Preferences -> Appearance
[23:55] <aapzak> tab: visual effects -> normal
[23:56] <kole> desktop effects could not be loaded
[23:56] <aapzak> stupid desktop effects
[23:56] <kole> hmmm
[23:56] <kole> ...and i broke grub on my eeepc... how nice
[23:57] <kole> tonight is just a great night for both my computers to mess uo
[23:57] <aapzak> everything can be fixed but I have to go get some sleep
[23:57] <aapzak> read, google, think ...
[23:57] <aapzak> switch google and read :)
[23:57] <aapzak> and think a lot
[23:58] <osubuck> hi, if i install the ubuntu 9.04 RC how do i upgrade to the final once its out? is there anything special that needs to be done ?
[23:59] <aapzak> goodluck kole
[23:59] <aapzak> bb
[23:59] <Newk> Hey, very pleased with the rc working very good, bu on startup when i login, i get a black screen for mayb 10 seconds???
[23:59] <Newk> is this normal or wat?