[07:51] <savvas> kwwii: sorry to bother you, but could you check if bug 349572 is a gnome-icon-theme problem?
[13:15] <thorwil> digest mode should be disabled
[13:36] <kwwii> hrm, where would be the best place to discuss suggested improvements for panel themeing?
[13:38] <thorwil> kwwii: in what scope? currently the gnome people don't even know what to do with applets in that gnome shell thing
[13:39] <thorwil> and a first attempt at making the gnome shell themeable is some ruby to change things in the code(!?)
[13:39] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, that was kinda what I was thinking too
[13:40] <kwwii> thorwil: guess I want to make the existing gnome panel look halfway decent for karmic
[13:41] <thorwil> kwwii: document the problem, define what we want as solution, see if it can be developed in-house as patch?
[13:41] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, already started that...just trying to figure out what to do with it when I am done :p
[13:42] <andreasn> kwwii, #gnome-art proably? benzea or thos should know
[13:42] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, good point
[13:43] <kwwii> andreasn: although I am guessing that most of what I want is more of a distro problem
[13:43] <kwwii> like setting the gconf key to stretch the panel bg by default
[13:43] <thorwil> kwwii: only tell us ubuntu people about it, wait until other will complain and bitch about going-alone and not contributing and all that ...  making it widel known that way ;)
[13:43] <kwwii> we have a policy of not touching gconf keys when updating
[13:44] <andreasn> maybe you should talk to vuntz in that case
[13:45] <andreasn> what kind of stuff did you have in mind? like just a gradient or more advanced stuff like a pattern?
[13:46] <andreasn> vuntz should be around in #gnome-hackers
[13:46] <andreasn> on gimpnet
[13:46] <andreasn> and he's in there talking about the panel _right now_
[13:49] <kwwii> andreasn: thinking about how to allow a theme to set a gconf key :)
[13:55] <andreasn> http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Artwork
[13:55] <andreasn> "Get better panel theming. For example the panel could let the engine render on top of the background image. So it would be possible to make the panel transparent from the theme."
[13:55] <andreasn> can't remember if it was benzea or Cimi that wanted to work on it though
[13:56] <kwwii> hehe, that all sounds very good
[13:58]  * thorwil would like to see combined vertical and horizontal multi-stop gradients and a transparency map
[14:03] <kwwii> thorwil: well, the stuff i want to do with a pixmap does both of those - the cheap way :)
[14:37] <savvas> can someone check bug 349572 please? Should those icons be in gnome-icon-theme ?
[14:40] <kwwii> savvas: yeah, just commented on it...not much we can do now for jaunty
[14:41] <savvas> thanks :)
[14:41] <andreasn> savvas, packagekit specific icons should be installed by packagekit
[14:42] <savvas> andreasn: that's the direct answer I was looking for :) so gnome-icon-theme is invalid?
[14:43] <andreasn> I don't recall that any icons were removed from gnome-icon-theme recently
[14:44] <savvas> ok, I'll have to forward it upstream :) thank you both!
[14:44] <andreasn> np, hope it works out
[15:09] <savvas> oh crap, I thought packagekit-gnome -> gnome was upstream whereas it is freedesktop, heh :)
[15:18] <kwwii> thorwil: btw, I asked arusha (christina kokott) to have a look at the wiki structure and report any ideas, etc
[15:18] <kwwii> thorwil: it's good because a) she is a new member and has never seen it before) and b) this is what she does for a living :)
[15:43] <thorwil> kwwii: cool :)
[17:41]  * thorwil browses http://www.christina-kokott.de
[17:44]  * thorwil continues with http://kokott.co.uk
[20:26] <dashua> Just ordered a Mini-9 w/ Bluetooth, Webcam, Ubuntu for $199.
[20:26] <dashua> Not bad.
[20:26] <knome> hmm
[20:26] <kwwii> hope you have tiny fingers
[20:27] <kwwii> other than that the machines are awesome
[20:27] <dashua> Ha, yeah.
[20:28] <dashua> I hope Jaunty runs good on it.
[20:28] <dashua> I'm sure it will.
[20:29] <dashua> I need to study for an exam all summer and this will be easier to transport than my Dell XPS m1530.
[20:29] <dashua> Much more expendable too.
[20:31] <thorwil> use one of these if fingers not tiny enough: http://www.print-speed.de/images/product_images/popup_images/2083_0.jpg :>
[20:31] <dashua> I was looking at the 10 but RAM is locked at 1 Gig.  Not so good.
[20:32] <SiDi> dashua: im jealous
[20:32] <dashua> thorwil: Is that a pencil sharpener?
[20:33] <dashua> SiDi: I wanted to score one before when they $199, but no bluetooth or webcam.
[20:33] <thorwil> dashua: that, too
[20:33] <dashua> Now, it's a good deal.
[20:33] <kwwii> dashua: we've been doing all our testing on mini-9's
[20:33] <dashua> kwwii: Sweet.
[20:34] <dashua> Compiz run good, do you know?
[20:34] <dashua> I have a feeling I'll have to mess with UXA.
[20:34] <SiDi> dashua: they're more expensive here. and dell france charges for ubuntu. i tried to get a vostro with no os or ubuntu, it was 750 € for the crappy hardware, while for 710 i had almost the best hardware with vista
[20:34] <kwwii> dashua: yes, it runs great
[20:35] <dashua> kwwii: Man, I am getting excited :D
[20:35] <dashua> SiDi: This is a Vosto
[20:36] <dashua> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=bqcw9nz&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&kc=productdetails~laptop-vostro-a90&dgc=BF&cid=7421&lid=197378
[20:36] <SiDi> dashua: i meant a 1510:p
[20:36] <dashua> Man, Jaunty is going to boot like the wind with an SSD.
[20:36] <dashua> SiDi: Ah
[20:38] <dashua> Yeah, the Ubuntu spec'd Dells are as impressive as their Windows counterparts
[20:38] <dashua> I bought this Dell w/ Vista which lasted about 20 minutes.
[20:38] <dashua> But there was no XPS m1530 when I bought, just the 1330
[20:39] <dashua> *are not
[20:40] <SiDi> the fact is that here its not legal to sell it with an os and not to offer the same one without os :P
[20:41] <dashua> Damn
[20:41] <dashua> Yeah, there was a box for exporting outside the U.S.
[20:45] <SiDi> dashua: i cant believe the PCs are the same and the ubuntu one is $100 cheaper
[20:45] <SiDi> i do wish they were offering so decent offers here in france :|
[20:47] <dashua> Maybe they changed. Before their prices were really that good.
[20:47] <dashua> weren't*
[21:16] <SiDi> kwwii: are you around ?
[23:15] <kwwii> SiDi: wassup?
[23:16] <SiDi> I wanted to know where i could grab the sources of jaunty's gdm
[23:16] <SiDi> apart from a jaunty installed partition since i'm having trouble with mine :p
[23:16] <SiDi> i'd like to check how you did to edit the gdm menus in your theme
[23:23] <kwwii> check the source in launchpad
[23:24] <SiDi> thanks
[23:26] <kwwii> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gdm-themes for instance
[23:26] <SiDi> thanks, found it already
[23:26] <SiDi> i sometimes dont think about the obvious solutions :D
[23:27] <kwwii> sometimes I want to suggest lmgtfy.com to people :p
[23:31] <kwwii> time for sleep..night all
[23:34] <SiDi> night kwwii