[09:39] <asac> hi
[13:32] <asac> good ia32-libs fixed
[13:32] <asac> whats next ;)
[13:33] <asac> ?
[13:33] <asac> bug 364074
[14:27] <asac> dtchen: so pulseaudio sometimes i need to start pulseaudio from command line to get working sound. does that mean it crashed? also that pulseaudio from command line still exits if it has buffer issues. is that a bug or only happens because i miss some "dont exist" switch on command line?
[14:27] <asac> (i dont have crash files for it)
[14:58] <gnomefreak> asac: can you please log into the admin page for mailing list. I left 2 that i dont understand what they mean. one is in eglish and other is in french
[15:05] <asac> gnomefreak: let me check
[15:05] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[15:09] <asac> gnomefreak: both rejected. we never accept mails that are not english :)
[15:09] <asac> gnomefreak: btw, thanks a lot for all your work on the moderation queue. next upload of icedove will revert the moziilla Maintainer stuff so the mail load will be reduced
[15:11] <gnomefreak> asac: moderation queue? I just got up. cnt handle big words until i wake up a bit
[15:11] <asac> gnomefreak: admindb of mailing list == moderation queue
[15:12] <gnomefreak> asac: ah ok :)
[17:06] <asac> bug 354305
[20:04] <BUGabundo> hi guys
[20:04] <BUGabundo> are we ready for release?
[20:04] <asac> i hope so ;)
[20:04] <asac> currently my bugmail folder hangs ;) ... so i cannot continue to read
[20:05] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:05] <BUGabundo> do you need mine?
[20:05] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:05] <BUGabundo> I have NM* here
[20:05] <BUGabundo> I can tar it for you
[20:06] <asac> nah ;) ... i only have mozilla related bugs in this huge mail db ;)
[20:08] <gnomefreak> asac: any plans on patching firefox 3.0.x for the right click menu bug?
[20:09] <BUGabundo> what bug gnomefreak?
[20:09]  * gnomefreak thinks its annouying but not really an important fix
[20:09] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: bug 197313
[20:09] <gnomefreak> huh
[20:09] <BUGabundo> heeh
[20:09] <BUGabundo> is that the right click?
[20:09] <gnomefreak> Bug 187313] Re: [MASTER] right click (with button release) mightactivate ran
[20:10] <gnomefreak> opps
[20:10] <BUGabundo> ahh tath one
[20:10] <gnomefreak> that bug
[20:10] <asac> gnomefreak: no. it will be fixed in a few days
[20:10] <gnomefreak> asac: ok
[20:10] <BUGabundo> that's SOO  old
[20:10] <BUGabundo> I've had a friend mentioning it to me a while ago
[20:10] <asac> iceweasel?
[20:10] <BUGabundo> let me give him the good news
[20:11] <asac> since when do we have iceweasel bugs?
[20:11] <gnomefreak> asac: any firefox branding not sure why iceweasel is mentioned though
[20:11] <gnomefreak> i will fix it
[20:11] <asac> well. the bug has a iceweasel target
[20:11] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm. ok its not an ubuntu thing
[20:11] <asac> so keep it open
[20:12] <gnomefreak> i was going to add FF if it wasnt there already
[20:13] <gnomefreak> asac: you doing iceweasel or are we handing that off to Mike?
[20:14] <gnomefreak> what is Nexradix?
[20:15] <BUGabundo> asac: I already discussed this with gnomefreak a few weeks
[20:15] <gnomefreak> you did?
[20:16] <BUGabundo> is there a *good* wiki on how to debug and manually add support for
[20:16] <asac> gnomefreak: we dont care for non-ubuntu distros
[20:16]  * gnomefreak bangs head against desk
[20:16] <BUGabundo> unrecognised 3G dongles?
[20:16] <asac> gnomefreak: its just a different distro so whoever runs that distro should take care
[20:16] <BUGabundo> calm down guys... let me write it all
[20:16] <asac> no need to forward or anything
[20:16] <BUGabundo> diff subject ehehe
[20:16] <gnomefreak> someone is already assigned to it however im will to bet my life on he has no plans to fix this
[20:17] <asac> gnomefreak: just ignore that
[20:17] <gnomefreak> k
[20:17] <asac> gnomefreak: its not ubuntu. its not upstream aka we dont care ;)
[20:17] <gnomefreak> goo dpoint
[20:18] <BUGabundo> so, my question asac? is there?
[20:19] <gnomefreak> asac: in tbirds preferenves what font setting controls only the <message pane>
[20:19] <gnomefreak> some mails read extreamly small while others are normal size :*
[20:19]  * BUGabundo feels ignored
[20:19] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: you are
[20:19] <gnomefreak> :)
[20:20]  * BUGabundo asks to be pinged back, when both are available
[20:22] <gnomefreak> ok i see that it is caused by unicode encoding
[20:25] <asac> BUGabundo: not sure which question you refer to
[20:25] <asac> BUGabundo: noadays almost all 3g dongles that have a driver will work
[20:26] <asac> so no. there is nothing similar easy as adding a hal-info entry, because everything that could be dealt with in hal is now automagically detected
[20:27] <asac> BUGabundo: if a modem is not detected, but the driver is loaded and so on, you should have /sys/class/tty/ttyUSB or ttyACM or other entries
[20:27] <asac> BUGabundo: run /lib/udev/nm-modem-probe --verbose --export on those paths to see if it detects GSM or CDMA capabilities
[20:27] <BUGabundo> ok good to know
[20:28] <BUGabundo> there is a common modem here that still doesn't work
[20:28] <BUGabundo> wait wait.. .let me save those commands
[20:28] <asac> BUGabundo: there are cases where /lib/udev/nm-modem-probe works right, but NM still doesnt see them. those are usually udev bugs
[20:28] <asac> or bugs in the udev rules we ship
[20:28] <asac> but no easy guidelines how to fix them
[20:29] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:29] <BUGabundo> so in those cases, file a bug on udev
[20:29] <asac> so buggg
[20:29] <BUGabundo> and what logs?
[20:29] <asac> BUGabundo: file them on NM first so we can pre-triage them
[20:29] <asac> BUGabundo: the output of the nm-modem-probe command is a good log
[20:30] <asac> also complete syslog
[20:30] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:30] <asac> and output of udevadm info --query=all --path=/sys/class/tty/... --attribute-walk
[20:30] <BUGabundo> is that on the NM guidelines?
[20:30] <asac> and lshal
[20:30] <asac> BUGabundo: no. please add that to the DebuggingNetworkManager page
[20:30] <asac> BUGabundo: maybe open a 3G paragrah there
[20:30] <BUGabundo> can't we put an hook on apport for that?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> since now pitti says apport "knows everything"
[20:31] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:31] <asac> thats tricky as we dont know which tty is supposed to be the right one
[20:31] <asac> we can check that in karmic
[20:31] <asac> probably we can do something in combination with hal
[20:32] <BUGabundo> ok, ill be here to remember you guys on this
[20:32] <BUGabundo> but by then, we will have nm 0.8 and the new modem manager, right'
[20:32] <BUGabundo> ?
[20:32] <asac> BUGabundo: feeel free to just add those four commands to that page ;)
[20:32] <asac> thanks
[20:32] <BUGabundo> editing now
[20:32] <asac> BUGabundo: unlikely that 0.8 will be ready for karmic
[20:32] <asac> more like 0.7.2 or .3
[20:33] <BUGabundo> really? I thought it was at good rithom upstream
[20:34] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: what was last post you saw from me?
[20:34] <asac> BUGabundo: 0.6 to 0.7 took how long? ;)
[20:35] <asac> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-March/msg00084.html
[20:35] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: wait
[20:35] <BUGabundo> (08:22:26 PM) gnomefreak: ok i see that it is caused by unicode encoding
[20:35] <gnomefreak> damn
[20:35] <BUGabundo> hehe 2 years
[20:35] <asac> not 2 years, but 20 month or so
[20:35] <gnomefreak> asac: when you add patch for right click bug can you add another patch or 2?
[20:36] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont add a patch. its landed upstream by now
[20:36] <asac> upstream kicked this into all branches
[20:36] <gnomefreak> oh in ~
[20:36] <asac> gnomefreak: what patch do you want?
[20:36] <gnomefreak> ok
[20:38] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:38] <BUGabundo> he is gone
[20:38] <gnomefreak> font is broken damnit
[20:40] <asac> gnomefreak: which font?
[20:40] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: what is your font set at
[20:40] <gnomefreak> asac: mainly firefox and thunderbird
[20:41] <BUGabundo> font? in pidgin ? really big, why?
[20:41] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: everything in FF and message pane in thunderbird are really really small
[20:41] <BUGabundo> don't use TB
[20:43] <gnomefreak> setting tbird to use western encoding shows big but ok, it always reverts back to unicode within a few seconds
[20:45] <gnomefreak> asac: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26378196@N05/3459740111/
[20:46] <gnomefreak> it seems some stay on western and others do not
[20:48] <BUGabundo> asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager#Debugging 3G modems
[20:48] <BUGabundo> is it good ?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> so that's how irrisi looks like... I have to test it some day
[20:57] <BUGabundo> asac: that info is already producing results
[20:57] <BUGabundo> a user just reported that
[20:58] <BUGabundo> zte mf632 problem was hal-info,  hal set as cdma instead gsm
[21:00] <asac> gnomefreak: your screenshot doesnt look that bad
[21:01] <asac> BUGabundo: please reword that so it makes clear that the output of those commands should be attached to bugs
[21:01] <BUGabundo> asac: ok
[21:01] <asac> BUGabundo: also consider to use code blocks for the actual commands
[21:01] <asac> like {{{
[21:01] <asac> text
[21:01] <asac> }}}
[21:02] <asac> BUGabundo: also move that below the Debugging Crashes
[21:02] <BUGabundo> asac: ok... 2nd editing
[21:02] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:02] <asac> thanks
[21:02] <gnomefreak> this is really getting old :(
[21:02] <BUGabundo> np
[21:03] <asac> gnomefreak: is that tbird 3?
[21:04] <gnomefreak> asac: yes sorry
[21:07] <BUGabundo> asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager#Debugging%203G%20modems better?
[21:09] <asac> BUGabundo: please remove the "file bug by instructions" or move that further to the top to a General section
[21:09] <asac> BUGabundo: the nm-modem-probe output is also supposed to be attached
[21:09] <asac> also explain how the "..." are to be substituted
[21:09] <asac> "Some 3G modem are not detected by NM, and generally this are udev bugs. " remove that line
[21:09] <BUGabundo> with a 2 line command?
[21:10] <asac> replace that : "in case your modem is not detected, open a bug and attach the following information:"
[21:10] <asac> BUGabundo: 2 line command? not sure what you mean
[21:11] <BUGabundo> ... with both  ttys
[21:13] <gnomefreak> wordwrap is borked too
[21:15] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:16] <BUGabundo> let me finish another wiki, and ill fix all those
[21:17] <BUGabundo> ohh that was not for me
[21:26] <asac> bug 343270
[21:26] <BUGabundo> again?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> there we go again...
[21:32] <BUGabundo> asac: where exaclty do you want me to move it too???
[21:34] <asac> BUGabundo: someone on top
[21:34] <asac> BUGabundo: like a second item
[21:34] <asac> "Reporting Bugs (General)"
[21:34] <BUGabundo> but that would make 3G more important then common NM debug
[21:35] <asac> BUGabundo: also tell them to use network-manager-applet if the bug is a UI issue
[21:35] <asac> BUGabundo: err. just the ubuntu-bug line
[21:35] <asac> BUGabundo: that doesnt belong to 3G
[21:35] <BUGabundo> ahh
[21:35] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:36] <BUGabundo> dinner is served
[21:36] <BUGabundo> I'll fix it when I come back
[21:42] <gnomefreak> its only 4:41 i guess i should start cooking
[21:50]  * gnomefreak wonders what bug report i commented on 
[21:52] <gnomefreak> ok gone to cook.