| bhuey | pwnguin: just one of the monitors ? not both | 02:16 |
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| bhuey | if that's the case, I might move to that driver | 02:16 |
| bhuey | I like the proprietary driver though because of GLX | 02:17 |
| pwnguin | bhuey: im fairly certain ive rotated my tablet and the vga output remained the same | 02:19 |
| pwnguin | you might be able to do that with nvidia | 02:19 |
| bhuey | do you have instructions or is it pretty much something that you play with when you install the drivers and run the screen configuration utilities ? | 02:19 |
| bhuey | I was able to do that to the entire scene, but not the individual monitor | 02:19 |
| bhuey | and a Google search yielded nothing informative regarding this | 02:20 |
| pwnguin | what you need to do is read the very long and boring nvidia manual in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx with an eye towards xrand | 02:23 |
| pwnguin | r | 02:23 |
| bhuey | hmmm, ok | 02:23 |
| bhuey | there's no info on rotating just the screen but the entire view itself | 02:36 |
| pwnguin | bhuey: well you could always try out raof's stuff and see if you like it | 03:33 |
| bhuey | pwnguin: does he hang out here ? | 04:22 |
| pwnguin | raof? yes | 04:22 |
| RAOF | Man, it takes a long time to build an ubuntu kernel. | 04:22 |
| pwnguin | technically, nouveau is experimental | 04:22 |
| pwnguin | so if it fails for you, don't get super angry or expect anything | 04:23 |
| RAOF | Also, if you've got a geforce 8 or 9 card, use a compositing manager, or a bunch of stuff won't work. | 04:23 |
| superm1 | RAOF, are you building with debuild -b, or did you follow the simplified steps? | 04:26 |
| superm1 | the normal debian packaging will build a ton of variants you probably wont care about | 04:26 |
| RAOF | VARIOUS_ENVIRONENT_VARIABLES fakeroot debian/rules binary-mmiotrace | 04:26 |
| RAOF | IE: I'm just building the flavour I'm interested in. | 04:26 |
| superm1 | okay good | 04:26 |
| RAOF | There just happens to be one metric buttload of modules to build. | 04:27 |
| RAOF | I'll probably farm it out to a PPA once I'm reasonably sure it works; having an MMIO trace capable kernel would be useful for a number of people. | 04:27 |
| superm1 | i'm not familiar with MMIO trace, what is that? | 04:28 |
| pwnguin | its a reverse engineering tool | 04:28 |
| pwnguin | for charting memory mapped I/O | 04:29 |
| RAOF | "Kindly log every memory-mapped IO operation performed by this kernel module, so I can see what it does" | 04:29 |
| superm1 | Ah, i see | 04:29 |
| pwnguin | i think you can guess which module this might be applied to | 04:29 |
| RAOF | fglrx :P | 04:29 |
| superm1 | perhaps it starts with n and rhymes with cydia | 04:29 |
| bhuey | pwnguin: i'll wait for him to come on sometime and ask him how to go about doing this | 04:30 |
| RAOF | bhuey: You mean raof? :) | 04:30 |
| superm1 | is there a performance hit in operating such a kernel (by the overhead of logging all that data)? | 04:30 |
| bhuey | btw, I love that you folks have done all of this work for Ubuntu | 04:31 |
| bhuey | RAOF: same character ? | 04:31 |
| bhuey | ok, I can see lower case like I use to :) | 04:31 |
| RAOF | superm1: There's a huge performance hit when you're actually tracing; X startup takes in the order of minutes. | 04:31 |
| bhuey | RAOF: yeah, I'd appreciate some pointers as to how to rotate just one of my screen so that I can use it in portrait mode of sorts. | 04:31 |
| superm1 | RAOF, but the tracing can be enabled and disabled on demand? | 04:31 |
| RAOF | superm1: And apparently even when it's not active there's a couple of MB overhead per CPU. | 04:31 |
| bhuey | I can rotate the entire virtual view but not just one monitor. I'd like to know how to rotate just one monitor | 04:32 |
| RAOF | Yeah. Tracing can be enabled & disabled at will. | 04:32 |
| bhuey | if it is possible | 04:32 |
| RAOF | bhuey: With nouveau? | 04:32 |
| bhuey | RAOF: any driver | 04:32 |
| bhuey | I'm using nvidia right now | 04:32 |
| superm1 | but with that overhead on a per cpu basis, definitely not a good idea to have available on a production kernel | 04:32 |
| bhuey | until nouveau gets full glx support, it's not a viable option for me | 04:32 |
| RAOF | superm1: Right. Otherwise I'd just be asking the kernel team to enable it. | 04:32 |
| superm1 | RAOF, well if it aides upstream development significantly, you can possibly ask the kernel team to set up a PPA that spits out kernels with it enabled like the mainline builds do for upstream kernel releases | 04:33 |
| RAOF | Possibly. Or I can just do what I'm doing, and shove a -mmiotrace flavour in my nouveau PPA. | 04:34 |
| RAOF | If that turns out to be too hard, I'll ask the kernel team. | 04:34 |
| superm1 | right | 04:34 |
| bhuey | RAOF: do any of the drivers to that ? | 04:51 |
| RAOF | bhuey: Oh, sorry. | 04:51 |
| RAOF | bhuey: Yes. Any driver that supports XRandR 1.2 will do that. | 04:51 |
| bhuey | yeah, but for just one screen | 04:51 |
| RAOF | The nvidia driver *doesn't*, and I'm not sure if you can. | 04:51 |
| bhuey | I've got a dual screen setu | 04:51 |
| bhuey | setup | 04:51 |
| RAOF | The nvidia driver doesn't support XRandR 1.2. | 04:52 |
| bhuey | I can rotate it, but only the entire image | 04:52 |
| RAOF | If you can't do it in nvidia-settings, you can't do it. | 04:52 |
| bhuey | ok, that supports multiple screens then right ? | 04:52 |
| bhuey | ok | 04:52 |
| bhuey | but noveau does this ? what about glx support ? | 04:52 |
| RAOF | Nouveau does this. There's no 3d support, however. | 04:52 |
| bhuey | nouveau | 04:52 |
| bhuey | hmmm | 04:52 |
| bhuey | I'll have to suffer with the nvidia driver then | 04:53 |
| RAOF | (That's not entirely accurate: there's 3d support ranging from "can play OpenArena flawlessly" to "glxgears causes kernel panic". The drivers switch from one state to another on a semi-regular basis) | 04:53 |
| bhuey | glx support is critical | 04:54 |
| bhuey | how's progress with that ? do you know ? | 04:54 |
| RAOF | Slow. | 04:54 |
| pwnguin | a quick note, bhuey's video card: 6600gt =) | 04:54 |
| bhuey | yeah, it's hard stuff | 04:54 |
| bhuey | pwnguin: thanks :) | 04:54 |
| bhuey | I really appreciate this help btw | 04:54 |
| RAOF | pwnguin: Yeah, I remembered. I think the *current* state of glx on his card is "glxgears will show artefacts the first time you run it, will kill X the second". | 04:55 |
| bhuey | great | 04:55 |
| pwnguin | bhuey: it seems like you have a choice mainly, between "smooth 3d graphics" and "rotates individual screens" | 04:55 |
| bhuey | the nvidia driver wins | 04:55 |
| pwnguin | then i guess we | 04:55 |
| pwnguin | then i guess we're done here | 04:55 |
| bhuey | ok | 04:55 |
| bhuey | until the next release :) | 04:55 |
| bhuey | thanks | 04:55 |
| * RAOF wouldn't expect supported 3d with nouveau in Karmic, either. | 05:55 | |
| RAOF | Although I would hope it to be the default driver for nvidia cards. | 05:55 |
| RAOF | Well, I hope the PPAs don't mind building the kernel. I wonder how many hours it'll take. | 06:26 |
| superm1 | RAOF, i know when rtg and those guys push to ppas, they have a way to make sure the ppa won't build all the flavours too, so unless you fully hacked up debian/control to only have your tracable flavour, you might want to check about that | 06:28 |
| RAOF | Whoops. I think that'll build all the flavours. | 06:34 |
| RAOF | Oh, well. I now know how to make it _not_ build all the flavours. Next upload won't build everytihng :/ | 06:36 |
| * RAOF plays "upload another 90Mb of kernel source to the ppa, this time it'll definitely build only -mmiotrace" | 07:29 | |
| superm1 | well at least you got it fixed now rather than 10 hours from now :) | 07:33 |
| Mirv | RAOF: if Fedora is getting nouveau as default in 11, I'd guess Karmic could as well have nouveau as default... it even supports more cards than nv | 07:43 |
| Mirv | it'd be great, though, I like the message that it's delivering to NVIDIA | 07:44 |
| tjaalton | I'm pretty sure it will be chosen as default.. | 07:46 |
| pwnguin | Mirv: i doubt it'll really make an impact on usage numbers | 08:27 |
| pwnguin | glx is basically vital | 08:27 |
| bryce_ | o/ | 08:58 |
| bryce_ | I registered a UDS session to discuss defaulting to -nouveau | 08:59 |
| ttx | bryce: do you still need more testing/reproduction data points on bug 359392 ? | 09:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 359392 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965] X freezes starting on April 3rd" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359392 | 09:09 |
| bryce_ | ttx: couldn't hurt to have your intel_gpu_dump output for reference | 09:50 |
| bryce_ | ttx: assuming your symptoms, hw, etc. are a match with that bug. If not, you should collect that info, but report as a separate bug report | 09:50 |
| ttx | bryce_: ok, will make my best reproducing it. I'm like seb128, I wasn't ever bitten by it. | 09:50 |
| * bryce_ --> bed | 09:51 | |
| bryce_ | night | 09:51 |
| pwnguin | bryce: i doubt I'll be in attendence, but i fully support the idea | 16:31 |
| jbarnes | bryce, mdz: just to confirm, are you still getting interrupts when the freeze happens? and does the "current sequence" increment in i915_gem_interrupt? | 17:09 |
| bryce | jbarnes: lemme check, I got another freeze yesterday | 18:15 |
| jbarnes | bryce: thanks | 18:16 |
| bryce | oh... you mean while the system is frozen? I'll have to re-freeze it first. Will get back to you | 18:16 |
| jbarnes | yeah while frozen | 18:16 |
| bryce | get some good ideas on fixes over the weekend? | 18:17 |
| jbarnes | unfortunately no :( | 18:17 |
| jbarnes | given the gpu dumps you guys gave me I was hoping it was a render accel problem | 18:17 |
| jbarnes | but at least some reporters tried that and still saw hangs | 18:17 |
| jbarnes | of course that doesn't mean render accel isn't broken, just that it can't be the whole fix | 18:17 |
| bryce | jbarnes: hm bummer, I was hoping the new tools would make these bugs completely transparent. But I guess it's like having a backtrace - it helps capture the state but not what caused it to get into that state | 18:32 |
| jbarnes | yeah for certain kinds of hangs they can really help | 18:33 |
| jbarnes | for others they just give us a few more clues and things to eliminate | 18:33 |
| jbarnes | the last hang info you posted actually seemed ok... I asked anholt to confirm | 18:34 |
| jbarnes | (ok as in we're not failing to track sequence numbers it looks like) | 18:34 |
| bryce | jbarnes: that was my "classic" hang that occurs after several hours use, as opposed to the freeze that occurs from mdz's script | 18:34 |
| bryce | heya apw | 19:10 |
| jbarnes | bryce: also, if the kernel you're running also has my i915 error interrupt patch you could check dmesg when the hang happens | 20:05 |
| * cwillu 's been away for a little while | 20:18 | |
| cwillu | should stock jaunty still have lingering hangs? | 20:19 |
| bryce | cwillu: yeah | 20:28 |
| Caesar | tjaalton: you around? | 23:53 |
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