[00:29] <aleite> @JontheEchid: I found the problem with the opengl lib
[01:15] <vorian> eeeewwwwwwwwwwwww
[01:15] <vorian> nhandler is gnoming it up on the planet
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> I bet all the dudes in #ubuntu-devel were going "eww, JontheEchidna is KDEing up the planet with his silly weather wallpaper" :P
[01:17] <vorian> haha
[01:26] <seele> any idea why Login Manager in SYstem Settings opens in a new window? apparently it doesnt do that in trunk
[01:27] <Gon> I just compile the port to KDE4 Konversation, I think is very good, I think that quassel was a very bad choice for jaunty
[01:28] <seele> 1) konversation wasn't available when the decision needed to be made
[01:28] <seele> 2) a lot of people are happy with quassel
[01:28] <jjesse> good evening back to my sound problem, when i boot from the kernel for 2.6.27-11 i have sound, but if i boot from kernel 2.6.28-11 i get no sound, any ideas?
[01:28] <jjesse> +1 to seele
[01:29] <Gon> quassel are beatiful, but doesn't have complete support for irc functions
[01:29] <Gon> ex: doesn't have DCC
[01:29] <Gon> :(
[01:29] <Gon> Further, the "buffers" are very uncomfortable
[01:30] <Gon> :/
[01:30] <jjesse> Gon: I actually have learned to enjoy how quassel is setup and how it works
[01:31] <jjesse> however i bet that konverstation for kde4 will be eventually packaged if it isn't and available for install
[01:31] <Gon> :)
[01:31] <vorian> it will be backported
[01:32] <Gon> I think Konversation is the best we could have an eventual 9.04.1
[01:32] <Gon> :D
[01:33] <vorian> there will be no 9.04.1, jaunty is not LTS
[01:33] <Gon> :(
[01:33] <vorian> there will be backports available
[01:33] <vorian> and to be honest, quassel has my vote to remain the default irc client
[01:34] <Gon> without dcc?
[01:34] <Gon> :s
[01:36] <vorian> that :s thingie crashed my system
[01:36] <vorian> :P
[01:37] <Gon> I thought that the paradigm of kde4, was able to have non-castrated software as some other desktop manager whose icon is a foot
[01:37] <Gon> xD
[01:43] <ScottK> Gon: The main use case for the IRC client on CD is for user support.  DCC isn't needed for that.  Konversation is still around and can be used.
[01:44] <ScottK> I expect it will be an interesting discussion around the default for 9.10.
[01:44] <Gon> ok
[01:45] <ScottK> Sput: What are the odds of DCC support for 0.5?
[01:45] <ScottK> He's one of the quassel devs.
[01:46] <ScottK> Gon: One of the other advantages for us is that because Quassel is a relatively smaller project being the default client for Kubuntu is a big deal for them.  They are very responsive when we have suggestions/feedback.
[01:47] <Gon> Konversation was already known and easy to use
[01:48] <ScottK> But not KDE4.
[01:48] <Gon> :s
[01:48] <ScottK> Although we didn't quite make it, we made the decision as part of a feature goal for Jaunty to have only KDE4 apps on the CD.
[01:49] <ScottK> IIRC we got everything except OOo integration to KDE4.
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> seele: The Login Manager needs root permissions. If we didn't open it in a separate window with admin permissions it wouldn't work at all :(
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> K3b is the only other thing that isnt' KDE4
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> the frustrating thing is that it was *almost* good enough, but burning CD/DVD images was busted
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> so when I do apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4c2a, adept-manager show up even though I've not had that package installed since hardy
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> is there any way to get rid of it?
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> (for the rdepends listing)
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> s/for/from
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> lol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[01:59]  * JontheEchidna points at the Kubuntu desktop  pic
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> Since when did we become Kubundora?
[02:00] <vorian> HA!
[02:00] <vorian> :/
[02:00] <vorian> actually, it's not so funny
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> blasphemy! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kubuntuoffice.png
[02:02] <vorian> OMG
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> gotta admit that that's pretty snazzy looking...
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> Wine is an amazing thing
[02:02] <vorian> pfft
[02:02] <vorian> blender
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> you put your Wine in a Blender?
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> :D
[02:03] <vorian> i would
[02:04] <vorian> sheesh, we have 4.2.3 next week eh?
[02:04] <vorian> and 4.3 beta the following week
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> yep
[02:04] <vorian> awesome
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> we're gonna wanna get some merges in before then though...
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> my poor CPU
[02:05] <vorian> eeew
[02:06] <vorian> why not wait till post 4.2.3 to merge, then karmic should be good to go
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> before KDE 4.3 anything
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> is what I meant to say
[02:07] <vorian> ah, good :)
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> oh
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> also come to think of it I made kdeplasma-addons depend on kdewallpapers and kdebase-workspace-wallpapers in trunk :D
[02:08] <vorian> ha!
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> not a hard dependency, but you'll get a lot of  not weather wallpapes if you don't have those
[02:08] <vorian> actually, why even bother with merging 4.2* in karmic? why not just jump into 4.3?
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> you mean, wait for 4.3 of some sort to hit debian, then merge?\
[02:09] <vorian> yes
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> I like the sound of that
[02:09] <vorian> since 4.3 will be the focus etc... :)
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> that way we don't have to worry so much about rebuilding 40 times for .install changes
[02:10] <vorian> right-o
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> which is why it took us 2 weeks to do this last time
[02:10] <vorian> haha
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> we were a week late, if I remember
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> and it was my first time as ninja coordinator
[02:11] <Gon> [20:59] <JontheEchidna> lol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[02:11] <Gon> [20:59] * JontheEchidna points at the Kubuntu desktop  pic
[02:11] <Gon> [21:00] <JontheEchidna> Since when did we become Kubundora?
[02:11] <Gon> WTF!
[02:13] <jjesse> back to that wikpedia picture, whose desktop is that?  doesn't look at all like mine
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> It's definitely not default
[02:14] <ScottK> I'd merge 4.2.2 (since we know it's the same version), skip 4.2.3 for Karmic (just jaunty-proposed), and go straight to the 4.3 beta in Karmic.
[02:14] <nixternal> why do puppies decide to go to the bathroom right under the computer desk?
[02:14] <vorian> cuz it's warm and safe
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> I should post my desktop w/ the Dark Knight skydome on wikipedia :D
[02:15] <ScottK> Because that's where they get your attention and attention == love even if you're yelling.
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> s/desktop/desktop cube
[02:15]  * vorian likes his current desktop
[02:15] <vorian> http://machine-crusade.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/foo.png
[02:16] <jjesse> nixternal: don't you beet them?
[02:16] <nixternal> I need to
[02:16]  * ScottK wonders how vegetables got into the conversation?
[02:16] <jjesse> vorian: i get a blank file whne i click on your destkop link
[02:16] <nixternal> heh, just caught that
[02:16] <jjesse> me too
[02:16] <vorian> oh?
[02:17] <jjesse> ah now it shows up
[02:17] <vorian> ah, ok :)
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> vorian: which plasma theme is that?
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> reminds me of KDE 4.0 in a good way
[02:17] <vorian> oxyglass more
[02:17]  * JontheEchidna always did like that glass ring around the plasmoids in 4.0
[02:17] <vorian> yes!
[02:18] <vorian> that was the best
[02:18] <jjesse> oxyglass?
[02:18] <vorian> although, the kewlness on the kicker is the stasks plasmoid
[02:18] <Gon> [21:17] <vorian> oxyglass more <= beatiful theme
[02:18] <Gon> is my current theme :D
[02:19] <vorian> ^5 Gon
[02:19] <vorian> :)
[02:19] <jjesse> ooo oxyglass looks nice :)
[02:19] <vorian> it's 'oxyglass more'
[02:19] <Gon> without compositing looks nice too
[02:19] <vorian> there are like 3 oxyglass themes iirc
[02:20]  * vorian steals cake whilst everyone is looking for new themes
[02:26] <jjesse> is there a widget that shows my tasks from kontact?
[02:32] <nixternal> stasks needs to fix its memory leaks before I try it again
[02:32] <nixternal> it was the reason my laptop kept locking up
[02:35] <jjesse> ah
[02:35] <joshjtl> hey folks... anyone recommend a tag editor for audio files? (kde4 prefferably)
[02:41] <ScottK> vorian: Great post.  Thanks.
[02:41] <vorian> no man, thank you
[02:42] <Gon> a question...
[02:43] <Gon> why kdepimlibs5-dev has libboost as dependency?
[02:43] <ScottK> seele: Are you connected with http://www.wouwlabs.com/blogs/anniec/?p=30 project at all?
[02:43] <ScottK> Gon: Because kdepimlibs builds against boost so you'll want those headers available too.
[02:44] <Gon> :o
[02:57] <nhandler> vorian: Sorry about the gnome script, but I needed something to make my gnome desktop more useful while restricted to an ubuntu live cd
[03:02] <ScottK> I totally can't believe no one has mentioned that the comics widget has lolcats now.
[03:11] <ScottK> OK, so here's an interesting problem ....  When I click on the K menu, only the bottom millimeter or two and a little square in the upper right/left corner appears.  I tried shutdown/restart and it's still there.
[03:17] <Sir-Gon> theme fail?
[03:21] <ScottK> Sorted it.
[03:21] <ScottK> Switched to classic menu style and switched back.
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> whoa, neat: http://leogg.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/ubuntu-cd-labels/
[04:09] <nixternal> http://matthew.gwos.org <- is that even possible?
[04:09] <vorian> DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:10] <vorian> nixternal: do you want a free ipod?
[04:11] <nixternal> nope
[04:12] <nixternal> I am sure there is some poor sap at starbucks who might want one though
[04:12] <vorian> /hilight http://matthew.gwos.org
[04:13]  * vorian has almost a dozen links to the same damn destination
[04:14] <vorian> i should have known better, as it's gwos.org
[04:15] <nixternal> ya, I just learned about that myself
[04:15] <nixternal> nhandler got me with one that was even worse than being rick rolled
[04:15] <vorian> does it go "HEY EVERYONE! I'M LOOKING AT ....."
[04:15] <nixternal> nhandler: oh dude, I am so adding that to my presentation for saturday....everyone can follow along by going to http://matthew.gwos.org
[04:15] <nixternal> vorian: yup
[04:15] <vorian> haha
[04:16] <ScottK> This is one time I'm glad for Quassel's web link preview function.
[04:16] <nhandler> nixternal: I have my own subdomain there ;)
[04:16] <vorian> good old kingbahamhut
[04:16] <nhandler> vorian: I would have expected you to recognize a ck link by now
[04:16] <vorian> yup
[04:16]  * vorian is getting sluggish
[04:18] <vorian> I need to change my hackergotchi
[06:56]  * a|wen want the new aptitude
[06:56] <a|wen> Aptitude::ProblemResolver::Hints { "reject pulseaudio"; };
[06:56] <a|wen> that's the feature i'm missing :)
[06:56] <Quintasan>  :D
[06:56] <Quintasan> Hi btw. :D
[06:58] <a|wen> hi Quintasan
[06:58] <a|wen> you're iso-testing?
[06:59] <a|wen> :)
[07:14] <sime_> the upgrade killed apt-cacher-ng here...
[07:31] <blizzz> mh, again flash videos do lack sound :(
[07:33] <nukem2525> is there going to be an upgrade path between 8.04 w/ KDE3 and 9.04 w/ KDE3 or will it require a fresh install?
[07:46] <a|wen> kb9vqf: i think you're the only one able to answer that one ^^
[08:02] <a|wen> nukem2525: he doesn't seem to be around atm. I think you'll have to wait till he shows up
[08:03]  * a|wen hugs vorian
[08:03] <a|wen> great post :)
[08:03] <nukem2525> any idea about his normal hours?
[08:10] <tsimpson> I would guess that it would require a patched dist-upgrade tool to go from 8.04 -> 9.04
[08:11] <nukem2525> what are the odds of one being made availible?
[08:11] <tsimpson> depends on how many people know how to do it and how long that'll take to make
[08:12] <tsimpson> it'd be a little complex because it'd need to know the package translation path
[08:12] <tsimpson> so (some-kde-package) -> (some-kde-package)-kde3
[08:13] <tsimpson> but I don't know enough about the remix to say for sure how easy/difficult that'd be
[08:13] <nukem2525> Ill probably end up doing a fresh install anyway
[08:13] <nukem2525> I messed up a couple things im to lazy to fix
[08:14] <nukem2525> now I just need to decide whether im willing to try KDE4 again
[08:14] <nukem2525> or not
[08:16] <a|wen> nukem2525: when was the last time you tried it?
[08:16] <nukem2525> i tried 4.0 and 4.1
[08:17] <a|wen> nukem2525: a great deal has happened till 4.2 ... anything particularly problematic?
[08:18] <nukem2525> the network manager blew up several times
[08:18] <nukem2525> random X crashes
[08:19] <a|wen> did you try the intrepid release; or the 4.0.0 / 4.1.0 versions?
[08:19] <nukem2525> 8.10
[08:19] <nukem2525> when it first released it had 4.0 right?
[08:20] <a|wen> nukem2525: it had 4.1.2 upon release
[08:20] <a|wen> it's at 4.1.4 now
[08:20] <nukem2525> kk, I tried that as well as the 8.04 KDE4 remix
[08:21] <a|wen> nukem2525: okay ... the hardy remix cd was really only for early adopters; after that kde4 has matured a lot
[08:22] <a|wen> nukem2525: you can always give it a try ... live-cd's are a great invention in that regarg
[08:22] <nukem2525> ya I knew when I went in that the remix wouldn't be very stable but I was a bit disappointed after I had so many issues with 8.10
[08:24] <nukem2525> I had it on 2 machines and both messed up pretty bad
[08:24] <a|wen> it has been working out great for me ... no problems with crashes or anything
[08:25] <a|wen> but with kde 4.2.2 i'd say that kde is now ready for everybody
[08:27] <nukem2525> Ill give it another shot but the only thing im looking for that KDE3 doesn't provide is Amarok 2
[08:30] <a|wen> yeah; amarok2 is great :)
[08:31] <nukem2525> Ive been banging my head against the desk trying to compile it on my mac since it came out
[08:33] <a|wen> that does also sound like a challenge
[08:34] <nukem2525> Ive talked to the macports maintainer about updating the port but they are still using an old version
[08:34] <nukem2525> so Ive been trying to do it myself
[08:36] <a|wen> what i've heard, kde compiling on mac should still be a lot of tweaked, just to get something out of it
[08:37] <nukem2525> I had no problem with KDE, I used macports to install 4.2
[08:40] <a|wen> when it is in macports it's another story
[09:45]  * a|wen just talked to a friend that has upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 ... everything just went smooth for her!
[09:51] <rickspencer3> a|wen: sweet!
[09:51] <a|wen> it looks good
[11:14] <a|wen> omg! what a speed-gain you can have in some of the apps by using "--graphicssytem raster"
[11:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: How did help.kubuntu.org go? Anything left to do?
[11:40] <ScottK> All the upgrades have gone smoothly here, including one 8.04 to 9.04
[11:41] <Riddell> awooga
[11:43] <Tm_T> hooray (:
[11:44] <ScottK> Riddell: One nit that doesn't appear to hurt anything is that the 8.04 -> 9.04 upgrade ended up with guidance-power-manager installed.
[11:54] <ScottK> Someone is working on a release announcement for Kubuntu, right? claydoh?
[12:00] <Riddell> ScottK: hrm, that should be removed in the final upgrade stage
[12:00] <Riddell> release announcement is mostly https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/RC/Kubuntu turned into html for kubuntu.org
[12:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Maybe it was and I missed it.  I'll double check next time I have access to the machine.
[12:00] <Riddell> I'm about to do upgrade tests too
[12:01] <ScottK> Riddell: We just need to settle on a URL and make sure slangasek has it to include in his announcement.
[12:01] <ScottK> Ah. I see you already took care of it.
[12:02] <Riddell> the easy part I did, take more effort to actually write the html :)
[12:03] <ScottK> Well you also took care of the part it's impossible to fix after the fact.
[12:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we need more KDEing anyway :P
[12:29] <apachelogger> hm
[12:29] <apachelogger> uh
[12:29] <apachelogger> ah
[12:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, nhandler: how about denting+weather?
[12:29] <apachelogger> magic plasma and magic KDE microblogging lib should make that a charm
[12:29] <apachelogger> then again, why bother with having the dents on one's desktop when you can has $plasmoid
[12:30] <apachelogger> oh dear
[12:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: i386 build of amarok-nightly 20090421+svn956946-0neon1 in ubuntu intrepid RELEASE
[12:30] <apachelogger>  Build started 44 minutes ago on thallium (virtual) and finished 16 minutes ago taking 27 minutes
[12:31] <Nightrose> wohoooooooooooooooo
[12:31]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger 
[12:31] <apachelogger> try
[12:31] <apachelogger> then
[12:31] <apachelogger> hug
[12:31] <Nightrose> haha
[12:31] <Nightrose> ok
[12:31] <Riddell> the liblastfm issue is going to be a problem with Amarok :(
[12:31] <Nightrose> Riddell: rex dieter already mentioned it and Leo is aware of it
[12:32] <Nightrose> he'll try to find out what can be done about it
[12:32] <Riddell> ah, good
[12:51] <claydoh> ScottK: yes I am, though not quite so early in the am ;)
[12:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/d789ae658
[12:54] <claydoh> i would like some input from you folks on what you think should be highlighted in the notes, even the little things
[12:55] <claydoh> I have a decent sized list already, but think I will miss something you think is important
[13:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: force-overwrite
[13:19]  * apachelogger needs to head back to work
[13:20] <Sput> amarok is a nightmare for packagers :>
[13:30] <ScottK> claydoh: Excellent.  Just making sure we didn't forget.
[13:34] <claydoh> ScottK: no, we didn't forget, though rockbox is distracting me so i have to put it away
[13:47] <rmrfslash> Does anyone know if the radeonhd 1.2.5 driver is going to be released with or before the final Kubuntu 9.04? Supposedly this version addresses resume-from-ram video issues.
[13:47] <ScottK> rmrfslash: 9.04 will be released with what it has now.
[13:48] <rmrfslash> I see.
[13:48] <ScottK> We're at the "unless the world is going to explode or someone will get sued, no more changes" stage.
[13:49] <rmrfslash> That's a good state to be in
[13:49] <rmrfslash> Is the version that's in 9.04 now going to stay that way until 9.10 or...?
[13:49] <rmrfslash> Are these subject to upgrades
[13:51] <a|wen> rmrfslash: patches can be added; but complete version upgrades of radeonhd is not likely
[13:51] <ScottK> After release, we only change for security fixes or major issues.  The rules for non-security updates are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/
[13:52] <a|wen> rmrfslash: have you looked at the radeon driver in itself? don't know which gfx-card you have, but it might have caught up with it
[13:52] <rmrfslash> bummer
[13:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: already done that of course ;-)  just wanted to let you know
[14:33] <Riddell> ScottK: you're right about guidance-p-m, asking mvo
[14:33] <Riddell> New DVDs are up for testing!  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20090421.1/
[14:40] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 364620
[16:50] <claydoh> Riddell: ScottK do we want to have download mirrors listed in the release notes? I noticed we did not do so for Intrepid
[16:52] <Riddell> claydoh: no since we put them on kubuntu.org and it has a download page (with a magicially updating list of mirrors)
[16:52] <Riddell> so we just point to that
[16:52] <claydoh> cool, I thaought as much
[16:56] <claydoh> Riddell: any personal fave jaunty feature you have, that you want mentioned?
[17:01] <claydoh> lol accidental ctrl-alt-backspace
[17:02] <nukem2525> will there be an upgrade path between 8.04 w/ KDE3 and 9.04 w/ KDE3 or will it require a fresh install?
[17:03] <Riddell> claydoh: system-config-printer-kde has been incorporated into system settings and improved
[17:04] <Quintasan> I wonder why Details >> button is disable in KPackageKit while downloading and installing
[17:04] <Riddell> nukem2525: yes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 testing welcome
[17:05] <nukem2525> that will preserve KDE3?
[17:07] <Riddell> nukem2525: well no, it will upgrade to 9.04
[17:08] <nukem2525> what Im asking is if I can upgrade to the 9.04 KDE3 remix
[17:08] <Riddell> nope
[17:08] <nukem2525> awww
[17:08] <Riddell> could try your luck with a dist-upgrade I suppose
[17:08] <nukem2525> I suppose I would have to manually select packages?
[17:09] <Riddell> yes
[17:09] <nukem2525> I suppose I can give KDE4 another shot
[17:10] <Riddell> good choice :)
[17:38] <Tscheesy> Riddell : i have Probs with the DVD-Download, got two times an error at the very last moment.. something like File Access Error, then when i try to resume - it restarts - in FF with and without Downloadmanager
[17:52] <Riddell> Tscheesy: use rsync
[17:52] <Riddell> see KubuntuFiles
[17:53] <Tscheesy> i'll give it another try - so i asume it works in principle
[18:00] <Riddell> Tscheesy: are you using rsync?
[18:01] <Tscheesy> actually  -the old one got overwritten with a restart
[18:08]  * Riddell updates https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 for final
[18:11] <Riddell> claydoh: do you know what happened to kubuntu forums in the end?
[18:12] <claydoh> no, not sure if the owner even found out, but the host fixed it
[18:13] <Riddell> claydoh: do you admin access to kubuntu-users?
[18:13] <claydoh> after a smart member figured out where it was hosted, contacted them directly
[18:13] <claydoh> Riddell: no I don't have it
[18:14] <Riddell> claydoh: not my choice of password :)
[18:14] <claydoh> lol
[18:14] <claydoh> works for me
[18:14] <Riddell> claydoh: is the kubuntuforums admin is still active?
[18:15] <claydoh> not much, afaik
[18:15] <Riddell> hmm, that's a bit worrying
[18:16] <claydoh> I am pretty much the only one doing much, it doesn't need any modersting much
[18:16] <claydoh> if that made any sense
[18:19] <Riddell> claydoh: mm, but not a great idea to have a website hosted by someone who doesn't seem to care much if it disappears
[18:19] <Riddell> Tscheesy: rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/dvd/current/jaunty-dvd-i386.iso .
[18:19] <Tscheesy> thx - was hackin' here :D
[18:20] <claydoh> Riddell: I agree, esp as he seems to travel a lot, makes it hard to contact him
[18:38] <claydoh> Riddell: I don't have any printer config options in my system settings am I missing something?
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: I think it may have somehow slipped back to the advanced tab :(
[18:43] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: I don't have it there either
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> I should commit the change for placing it in the General tab to trunk now that I have commit access
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: weird
[18:43]  * claydoh needs screenshots
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> how inconvenient, pastebin.ca  is down
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6466/49735984.png
[18:47] <claydoh> ahhh gwenview (and digika are sooooo filled with awesomeness
[18:49] <Riddell> Subject: SERIOUSLY--TAKE ME OFF YOUR LIST!
[18:49] <Riddell> claydoh: may be a good opportunity to use your kubuntu-users powers :)
[18:49] <Riddell> From: Kayt Free <kayt.free@gmail.com>
[18:50] <Riddell> "   Getting these constant e-mails is really pissing me off...TAKE ME OFF
[18:50] <Riddell>    YOUR LIST! I've asked at least three times now!
[18:50] <Riddell> "
[18:50] <Riddell> I wonder if she wants off the list
[18:52] <daskreech> JontheEchidna: can I assume it's raining where you are?
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> daskreech: yeah
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> and it was so warm the last few days to :( (relatively speaking)
[18:54] <claydoh> I removed and reinstalled systemsettings, and now get the printer config, only have this
[18:54] <claydoh> http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1368/85614026.png
[18:55] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: I don' have as many buttons on mine, feeling shortchanged :)
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> that's because the hardware driver one is only on my computer
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> and it doesn't do anything to boot
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> well, anythign useful
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> aside from crashing systemsettings
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> you could also install kgrubeditor
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> kcron for the task scheduler
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> kdenetwork-filesharing for samba
[18:57] <claydoh> Riddell: assuming that email was to you? maybe sent before I added my email to the admin list
[18:58] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: ill just use the defaults for my screenshot :)
[18:58] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: thought I had sometthing busted here
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> nah
[19:07] <Riddell> claydoh: to kubuntu-users-owner@lists.ubuntu.com
[19:09] <claydoh> Riddell: her email is not in the member list for kubuntu-users
[19:12] <claydoh>  but I had mailman send an unsub confirmation
[19:12] <claydoh> to the address
[19:13] <Riddell> claydoh: could be googlemail.com ?
[19:14] <claydoh> not as far as I can see
[19:38] <Mr_Grieves|> Hrm, knetworkmanager doesn't start on its own anymore.
[19:39] <Mr_Grieves|> Short of adding it to the autostart config file, is there a setting to fix that?
[19:39] <blizzz> JontheEchidna: did you get my email?
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> blizzz: oh, right. I forgot about that :)
[19:40] <blizzz> well then, this is a reminder :)
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> I did look over it, but I just forgot to get back to you guys
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> where it says "It turned (OUT?) a somewhat-obscure"
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> turned could probably be changed to "transformed" for clarity
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> otherwise it looks great
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> Using my LP picture is fine too. I should really think about updating it, though, since it was taken last july...
[19:43] <blizzz> 23th 'd be a good date for a new one ;)
[19:44] <blizzz> thank for inspecting it
[19:46] <blizzz> +s
[20:03] <Quintasan> ok guysm night, wish me luck :3
[20:03] <Quintasan> -m
[20:08] <blizzz> good luck Quintasan
[20:21] <rmrfslash> Hey guys. I was on earlier to ask whether or not there would be a radeonhd driver update between 9.04 and 9.10. I was told by someone (I forgot whom) that "patches will be applied but complete upgrades were unlikely". Obviously, I was disheartened a little as the radeonhd 1.2.5 supposedly fixes some resume issues. Now, after looking around, I found this page: https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+a
[20:21] <rmrfslash> rchive/ppa
[20:22] <claydoh> yup, those are testing packages , won't be official
[20:23] <claydoh> but helpful for those who want/need to be on the edge :)
[20:24] <rmrfslash> On this guys page, there is a deb for radeonhd 1.2.5 for Jaunty and was published 22 hours ago. I installed it, it at least doesn't break things and Xorg.0.log shows that RADEONHD is version 1.2.5. Does tis mean there is a update in the works for Jaunty?
[20:24] <claydoh> no
[20:24] <claydoh> ppa= *personal* package archive
[20:24] <rmrfslash> i c
[20:25] <claydoh> but often they are quite stable and very useful
[20:25] <claydoh> esp in your case it seems :)
[20:27] <rmrfslash> yeah, it works... I have yet to see if it'll resume properly. Though this version was supposed to address that specifically (among other things).
[20:28] <rmrfslash> and was one of the major problems I was experiencing
[20:28] <rmrfslash> and couldn't circumvent
[20:28] <rmrfslash> anyways... im happy.
[20:28] <rmrfslash> :D
[20:31] <claydoh> someone has an itch to scratch, and someone provides the back-scratching stick for it :)
[20:33] <kb9vqf> nukem2525: Not sure if you're still around, but here's what you can do: 1. Copy your ~/.kde folder to ~/.kde3  2. Do the upgrade normally  3. Install kubuntu-desktop-kde3 4. Remove the KDE4 packages that got installed in the upgrade (optional)
[20:33] <kb9vqf> nukem2525: I'll put something on the Wiki page before final
[20:45] <jefferai> apachelogger: ping
[20:45] <apachelogger> jefferai: pong
[20:45] <jefferai> hey, so in your release script
[20:45] <jefferai> you know how you append the include directives for po and doc at the end of CMakeLists.txt?
[20:46] <jefferai> how easy it is to substitute those directives for lines already in the CMakeLists.txt file?
[20:47] <apachelogger> jefferai: easy enough
[20:47] <apachelogger> just need to wrap it in an if($lines present)
[20:47] <jefferai> nah, don't
[20:48] <jefferai> I'll just put in a comment like this:
[20:48] <jefferai> #DOC_INCLUDE
[20:48] <jefferai> #PO_INCLUDE
[20:48] <jefferai> and replace those with add_subdirectory(doc), etc.
[20:48] <jefferai> does that sound easy enough?
[20:49] <apachelogger> jefferai: the problem is that you don't want to use kde's macro for optional sub dir?
[20:49] <jefferai> well, is there a point?
[20:50] <jefferai> I guess that's even better
[20:50] <apachelogger> one might not want to install docs or po ... but especially docs if they are big
[20:50] <jefferai> ok
[20:50] <jefferai> I'll do that
[20:50] <jefferai> I'll make them toggleable
[20:50] <jefferai> and you can take it out of the release script entirely
[20:51] <apachelogger> jefferai: I am really missing context here ... are we talking about amarok or what?
[20:51] <jefferai> yep
[20:51] <apachelogger> well, it needs to stay in the script
[20:51] <jefferai> why?
[20:51] <apachelogger> not only amarok uses that script :P
[20:52] <jefferai> OK, then, it needs to not go at the end of the file
[20:52] <jefferai> and/or not use the KDE optional macros
[20:52] <apachelogger> jefferai: doesn't amarok include KDE's macros?
[20:52] <jefferai> take a look at the CMakeLists.txt file
[20:52] <apachelogger> okies
[20:53] <jefferai> note that KDE deps are only in the WITH_PLAYER section
[20:53] <jefferai> if you're building the utilities, there are no KDE dependencies
[20:53] <apachelogger> ahhhhh
[20:53] <jefferai> except for the KDE macros you introduced with the release script, that is :-)
[20:53] <apachelogger> jefferai: both the po and the docs need KDE macros anyway
[20:53] <jefferai> exactly...so the release script should probably put those macro calls in the WITH_PLAYER section
[20:54] <jefferai> by substituting in for a known value
[20:55] <jefferai> that sound doable?
[20:55] <apachelogger> aye
[20:55] <apachelogger> sec
[20:55] <jefferai> k
[21:11] <apachelogger> the l10n stuff is 100% hack
[21:11] <apachelogger> good thing the refactored version comes with a lot better design
[21:13] <jefferai> apachelogger: so should I modify anything in the Amarok CMakeLists?
[21:13] <apachelogger> jefferai: add the comments you mentioned earlier
[21:13] <jefferai> any specific names?
[21:14] <jefferai> apachelogger: I'll call them DOC_SUBDIR and PO_SUBDIR
[21:15] <jefferai> apachelogger: here's what I put into CMakeLists.txt
[21:15] <jefferai>     #Do not remove or modify these.  The release script substitutes in for these
[21:15] <jefferai>     #comments as appropriate.
[21:15] <jefferai>     #DOC_SUBDIR
[21:15] <jefferai>     #PO_SUBDIR
[21:17] <apachelogger> meh
[21:17] <apachelogger> I already made the script use _INCLUDE :P
[21:18] <apachelogger> pushy pushy
[21:18] <jefferai> can you change it?
[21:18] <jefferai> it makes more sense to put SUBDIR
[21:19] <jefferai> Sorry
[21:19] <apachelogger> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+junk/extragear-release-script
[21:19] <apachelogger> r38 and r39 if you want to apply it manually
[21:20] <jefferai> apply what?
[21:20] <apachelogger> the changes
[21:20] <jefferai> to where?
[21:20] <apachelogger> your source copy
[21:20] <jefferai> nope
[21:20] <jefferai> :-)
[21:20] <apachelogger> you never know
[21:20] <jefferai> not here
[21:20] <jefferai> but anyways
[21:20] <jefferai> changes in CMakeLists.txt in r957327
[21:23] <apachelogger> hm
[21:24] <apachelogger> that looks broken to me
[21:25] <apachelogger> jefferai: can you swap the order
[21:25] <apachelogger> po currently pulls in the include, if doc is add before the include it probably will make cmake cry
[21:26] <apachelogger> jefferai: or add another comment
[21:26] <apachelogger> #SUBDIR_INCLUDE
[21:26] <jefferai> ok
[21:26] <jefferai> wait what?
[21:27] <jefferai> I swapped the order
[21:27] <apachelogger> ok, works as well
[21:28] <apachelogger> works like a charm
[21:32] <jefferai> great
[21:32] <jefferai> thanks
[21:33] <kb9vqf> nukem2525: The instructions for Hardy-->Jaunty KDE3.5 are up on the Jaunty KDE3 Wiki page
[21:35] <apachelogger> jefferai: you're very welcome
[21:41] <_sime> upgrade to 9.04 went well here.
[22:11] <Tscheesy> Riddell : DVD is nice ..when Stopping -6 Warning-Messages for Open TTY1-6 Pop up .. and WLAN-Manager is not processing the WPA-KEY
[22:13] <Tscheesy> next to missing translations.. but the spoken Blogging about would also help me to get, next time, all the translation documents into local community
[22:16] <Riddell> hhhh
[22:17] <Riddell> Tscheesy: ok, please report on the http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all site
[22:17] <Riddell> _sime: great
[22:19] <Tscheesy> Riddell : do i have a Ubuntu QA Username ? Guess not? isn't it LP or openID?
[22:20] <Tscheesy> i'll create a new one
[22:20] <Riddell> you need to create one
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> we don't support gutsy -> jaunty updates, do we?
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> you have to upgrade to hardy first
[22:26] <dtchen> you're skipping intrepid as a required step for hardy->jaunty?
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> we do support hardy -> jaunty
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> in Kubuntu at least
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> but am I correct in assuming that gutsy -> jaunty is completely unsupported?
[22:27] <dtchen> ok, then yes, you are correct
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[22:28] <Tscheesy> Riddell : this page is tricky for me - You are here : QA Tracker -> Test list -> Result list : i just fill in a comment and Mark as failed?
[22:28] <Tscheesy> in "live session"
[22:29] <Tscheesy> accoring http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession of curse..
[22:36] <Tscheesy> done
[22:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: right no gutsy upgrade to jaunty
[23:00] <apachelogger> we need a QA supervisor dood
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> What would this dood do?
[23:02] <Tscheesy> weight Bug-Reports..
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> triagers weigh bug reports, technically
[23:04] <apachelogger> assign QA tasks and spend most of his time doing QA
[23:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also, technically the triager might do that, but most of the time they will be wrong anyway, unless triager == developer in which case it is assumable that they actually rate the impact of an issue properly
[23:06] <apachelogger> well, if they understand the problem at least ;-)
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> in other words, a triager like me? :P
[23:06] <davmor2> Tscheesy: why did you file your kubuntu issue against ubuntu dvd?  and you've listed bug 1,2,3 on lp as bugs rather then the lp bug number for your issues
[23:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you do unfriendly triage though :P
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[23:07] <apachelogger> hm
[23:07] <apachelogger> someone poke stdin in the eye for that flood
[23:07] <Tscheesy> davmor2 : omg - i didnt know ther's a link - it seemd so..
[23:08] <apachelogger> anyway
[23:08] <jpds> apachelogger: -> tsimpson
[23:08] <apachelogger> we need to do like more promotion for testing
[23:08] <apachelogger> or rather more promotion in general
[23:08] <apachelogger> but especially testing
[23:08] <apachelogger> like we need iso testing and desktop testing and app testing and upgrade testing and translation testing...
[23:09] <apachelogger> in a more organized matter that is of course
[23:09] <Tscheesy> davmor2 : cann you wipe it out? i'll write it new tomorrow
[23:09] <davmor2> Tscheesy: It should of been filed again Kubuntu Dvd.  And where it says bug you put in the lp bug number of the issue for future reference :)
[23:10] <davmor2> Tscheesy: I can't but I know a man that can
[23:10] <Tscheesy> ok :( - good
[23:10]  * apachelogger would think that a user can wipe his own entries :S
[23:11] <Tscheesy> yes - but i need to file 3 LP-Bugs first ;)
[23:13] <davmor2> apachelogger: Nope one down side of the way the tracker has been setup.  Something that will hopefully be remedied for karmic
[23:13] <apachelogger> hope so
[23:14] <Tscheesy> davmor2 : so? Bug Nb 1 isnt' appropriate ? :D.. i'll have to do it tomorrow
[23:15] <davmor2> Tscheesy: No! :D
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do these observations still hold up? http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/3460206354/in/set-72157608562200171/
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> Alt+Left is untranslated for me in spanish, but everything else looks ok
[23:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[23:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: though the locale kcm is not translated anyway
[23:17] <apachelogger> it will default to en_US unless the KDE specific setting is set
[23:17] <apachelogger> which should probably be changed
[23:17] <apachelogger> actually
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> looks pretty spanish here to me
[23:17] <apachelogger> the whole language setting there is worth a load of nothing
[23:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: only if set through the kcm
[23:17] <apachelogger> your testcase is flawed
[23:18] <apachelogger> I am wondering if rosetta broke the dolphin strings though
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> so if Ihave es set as your lang at install time, I'd see untransalted strings too?
[23:18] <apachelogger> aye
[23:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just use language-selector to change the system language and nuke Language(s)= from kdeglobals
[23:19] <apachelogger> or create a new user instead of the latter
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> ugh, qt-language-selector was never renamed language-selector-kde
[23:22] <Tscheesy> davmor2 : changed to a (hopefully) tmp state :/
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: is the trash kcm also untranslated when accessed from konqueror?
[23:25] <apachelogger> yes, no, kinda
[23:25] <apachelogger> the item itself is named properly (desktop file??) but the days thingy is still there
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> hmmmmm
[23:25] <apachelogger> ... I think days is actually a kdelibs termy
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> they both use the same kcm, I wonder why that's happening
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> oh
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> +    // Trash
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> +    TrashSettingsPage* trashSettingsPage = new TrashSettingsPage(this);
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> +    KPageWidgetItem* trashSettingsFrame = addPage(trashSettingsPage,
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> +                                                   i18nc("@title:group", "Trash"));
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> I guess it didn't get translated in LP...
[23:27] <apachelogger> that is from use, isn't it?
[23:27] <apachelogger> *us
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I backported it from trunk
[23:28] <davmor2> Tscheesy: that'll do for now :)
[23:28] <apachelogger> *nod*
[23:28] <apachelogger> at this point I would not change any string at all since there is a high possibility it will not get translated
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> It should use the same KCM, but it uses its own string for adding it to dolphin's settings
[23:30] <Tscheesy> davmor2 : uf.. X) ..need my sleep now.. by all
[23:30] <davmor2> bye
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I did add this a month or few ago, but I guess this is also a consequence of us pissing off the german doods?
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> (our patches don't get translated)
[23:30] <apachelogger> I think there are more languages affected than german really
[23:31] <apachelogger> I just happen to know that we pissed them off pretty badly
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> so the question becomes, how the  heck are we gonna get people to translate any of our patches at all in the future?
[23:33]  * JontheEchidna goes to eat
[23:33] <apachelogger> a) talk to them
[23:33] <apachelogger> b) help them
[23:33] <apachelogger> c) beat up rosetta
[23:33] <apachelogger> d) if rosetta doesn't die or become a lot better after beating - not using it
[23:34] <apachelogger> all in all: ensure that translations never ever break for more than a couple of days, and certainly not while the translation related freezes are in effect
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> I am thinking that somebody should probably blog about this either today or tomorrow
[23:37]  * apachelogger will certainly rant about rosetta sometime soon
[23:38] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm off to bed now if there are any kub dvd test left in the morning I'll pick them up :)
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> I mean, blog about the general state of translations for Kubuntu 9.04, dispell some common myths, lay out the plan for the future, etc
[23:39]  * JontheEchidna really goes off to eat now
[23:40] <apachelogger> what myths?
[23:40] <apachelogger> kubuntu l10n is breaking every once in a while
[23:40] <apachelogger> kubuntu l10n stays broken for at least a month
[23:40] <apachelogger> kubuntu l10n is of so crappy quality it hurts to even think about it
[23:40] <apachelogger> not to mention the interface that has to be used
[23:40]  * apachelogger shudders
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> mainly that Kubuntu doesn't use upstream translations
[23:53] <apachelogger> we do
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> exactly
[23:53] <apachelogger> unless rosetta didn't import it
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> right
[23:54] <apachelogger> or exported it in a broken matter
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> that too
[23:54] <apachelogger> or some funky launchpad dood thought it would be a good idea to change the translation
[23:54] <apachelogger> make it overriden for now and forever
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> shit, they can do that?
[23:54] <apachelogger> now they can
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> :/
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, let's just mainly blast rosetta
[23:55] <apachelogger> thing is there is no additional QA needed to do that
[23:55] <apachelogger> nor is there a way to make those changed translations be overridden by $nextupstream import
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> how hard would it be to exclude rosetta entirely from the process?
[23:57] <Riddell> not possible
[23:58] <Riddell> and I quite like being able to add strings
[23:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: add strings?
[23:58] <apachelogger> + possible, just not desirable
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> in theory (maybe?) we could just throw all the po(t)s in a bzr branch and do things like upstream