[00:29] @JontheEchid: I found the problem with the opengl lib === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [01:15] eeeewwwwwwwwwwwww [01:15] nhandler is gnoming it up on the planet [01:17] I bet all the dudes in #ubuntu-devel were going "eww, JontheEchidna is KDEing up the planet with his silly weather wallpaper" :P [01:17] haha [01:26] any idea why Login Manager in SYstem Settings opens in a new window? apparently it doesnt do that in trunk [01:27] I just compile the port to KDE4 Konversation, I think is very good, I think that quassel was a very bad choice for jaunty [01:28] 1) konversation wasn't available when the decision needed to be made [01:28] 2) a lot of people are happy with quassel [01:28] good evening back to my sound problem, when i boot from the kernel for 2.6.27-11 i have sound, but if i boot from kernel 2.6.28-11 i get no sound, any ideas? [01:28] +1 to seele [01:29] quassel are beatiful, but doesn't have complete support for irc functions [01:29] ex: doesn't have DCC [01:29] :( [01:29] Further, the "buffers" are very uncomfortable [01:30] :/ [01:30] Gon: I actually have learned to enjoy how quassel is setup and how it works [01:31] however i bet that konverstation for kde4 will be eventually packaged if it isn't and available for install [01:31] :) [01:31] it will be backported [01:32] I think Konversation is the best we could have an eventual 9.04.1 [01:32] :D [01:33] there will be no 9.04.1, jaunty is not LTS [01:33] :( [01:33] there will be backports available [01:33] and to be honest, quassel has my vote to remain the default irc client [01:34] without dcc? [01:34] :s [01:36] that :s thingie crashed my system [01:36] :P [01:37] I thought that the paradigm of kde4, was able to have non-castrated software as some other desktop manager whose icon is a foot [01:37] xD [01:43] Gon: The main use case for the IRC client on CD is for user support. DCC isn't needed for that. Konversation is still around and can be used. [01:44] I expect it will be an interesting discussion around the default for 9.10. [01:44] ok [01:45] Sput: What are the odds of DCC support for 0.5? [01:45] He's one of the quassel devs. [01:46] Gon: One of the other advantages for us is that because Quassel is a relatively smaller project being the default client for Kubuntu is a big deal for them. They are very responsive when we have suggestions/feedback. [01:47] Konversation was already known and easy to use [01:48] But not KDE4. [01:48] :s [01:48] Although we didn't quite make it, we made the decision as part of a feature goal for Jaunty to have only KDE4 apps on the CD. [01:49] IIRC we got everything except OOo integration to KDE4. [01:52] seele: The Login Manager needs root permissions. If we didn't open it in a separate window with admin permissions it wouldn't work at all :( [01:53] K3b is the only other thing that isnt' KDE4 [01:54] the frustrating thing is that it was *almost* good enough, but burning CD/DVD images was busted [01:56] so when I do apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4c2a, adept-manager show up even though I've not had that package installed since hardy [01:56] is there any way to get rid of it? [01:56] (for the rdepends listing) [01:56] s/for/from [01:59] lol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu [01:59] * JontheEchidna points at the Kubuntu desktop pic [02:00] Since when did we become Kubundora? [02:00] HA! [02:00] :/ [02:00] actually, it's not so funny [02:02] blasphemy! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kubuntuoffice.png [02:02] OMG [02:02] gotta admit that that's pretty snazzy looking... [02:02] Wine is an amazing thing [02:02] pfft [02:02] blender [02:03] you put your Wine in a Blender? [02:03] :D [02:03] i would [02:04] sheesh, we have 4.2.3 next week eh? [02:04] and 4.3 beta the following week [02:04] yep [02:04] awesome [02:05] we're gonna wanna get some merges in before then though... [02:05] my poor CPU [02:05] eeew [02:06] why not wait till post 4.2.3 to merge, then karmic should be good to go [02:07] before KDE 4.3 anything [02:07] is what I meant to say [02:07] ah, good :) [02:07] oh [02:07] also come to think of it I made kdeplasma-addons depend on kdewallpapers and kdebase-workspace-wallpapers in trunk :D [02:08] ha! [02:08] not a hard dependency, but you'll get a lot of not weather wallpapes if you don't have those [02:08] actually, why even bother with merging 4.2* in karmic? why not just jump into 4.3? [02:09] you mean, wait for 4.3 of some sort to hit debian, then merge?\ [02:09] yes [02:09] hmm [02:09] I like the sound of that [02:09] since 4.3 will be the focus etc... :) [02:09] that way we don't have to worry so much about rebuilding 40 times for .install changes [02:10] right-o [02:10] which is why it took us 2 weeks to do this last time [02:10] haha [02:11] we were a week late, if I remember [02:11] and it was my first time as ninja coordinator [02:11] [20:59] lol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu [02:11] [20:59] * JontheEchidna points at the Kubuntu desktop pic [02:11] [21:00] Since when did we become Kubundora? [02:11] WTF! [02:13] back to that wikpedia picture, whose desktop is that? doesn't look at all like mine [02:14] It's definitely not default [02:14] I'd merge 4.2.2 (since we know it's the same version), skip 4.2.3 for Karmic (just jaunty-proposed), and go straight to the 4.3 beta in Karmic. [02:14] why do puppies decide to go to the bathroom right under the computer desk? [02:14] cuz it's warm and safe [02:15] I should post my desktop w/ the Dark Knight skydome on wikipedia :D [02:15] Because that's where they get your attention and attention == love even if you're yelling. [02:15] s/desktop/desktop cube [02:15] * vorian likes his current desktop [02:15] http://machine-crusade.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/foo.png [02:16] nixternal: don't you beet them? [02:16] I need to [02:16] * ScottK wonders how vegetables got into the conversation? [02:16] vorian: i get a blank file whne i click on your destkop link [02:16] heh, just caught that [02:16] me too [02:16] oh? [02:17] ah now it shows up [02:17] ah, ok :) [02:17] vorian: which plasma theme is that? [02:17] reminds me of KDE 4.0 in a good way [02:17] oxyglass more [02:17] * JontheEchidna always did like that glass ring around the plasmoids in 4.0 [02:17] yes! [02:18] that was the best [02:18] oxyglass? [02:18] although, the kewlness on the kicker is the stasks plasmoid [02:18] [21:17] oxyglass more <= beatiful theme [02:18] is my current theme :D [02:19] ^5 Gon [02:19] :) [02:19] ooo oxyglass looks nice :) [02:19] it's 'oxyglass more' [02:19] without compositing looks nice too [02:19] there are like 3 oxyglass themes iirc [02:20] * vorian steals cake whilst everyone is looking for new themes [02:26] is there a widget that shows my tasks from kontact? [02:32] stasks needs to fix its memory leaks before I try it again [02:32] it was the reason my laptop kept locking up [02:35] ah [02:35] hey folks... anyone recommend a tag editor for audio files? (kde4 prefferably) [02:41] vorian: Great post. Thanks. [02:41] no man, thank you [02:42] a question... [02:43] why kdepimlibs5-dev has libboost as dependency? [02:43] seele: Are you connected with http://www.wouwlabs.com/blogs/anniec/?p=30 project at all? [02:43] Gon: Because kdepimlibs builds against boost so you'll want those headers available too. [02:44] :o [02:57] vorian: Sorry about the gnome script, but I needed something to make my gnome desktop more useful while restricted to an ubuntu live cd [03:02] I totally can't believe no one has mentioned that the comics widget has lolcats now. [03:11] OK, so here's an interesting problem .... When I click on the K menu, only the bottom millimeter or two and a little square in the upper right/left corner appears. I tried shutdown/restart and it's still there. [03:17] theme fail? [03:21] Sorted it. [03:21] Switched to classic menu style and switched back. [04:07] whoa, neat: http://leogg.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/ubuntu-cd-labels/ [04:09] http://matthew.gwos.org <- is that even possible? [04:09] DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! [04:10] nixternal: do you want a free ipod? [04:11] nope [04:12] I am sure there is some poor sap at starbucks who might want one though [04:12] /hilight http://matthew.gwos.org [04:13] * vorian has almost a dozen links to the same damn destination [04:14] i should have known better, as it's gwos.org [04:15] ya, I just learned about that myself [04:15] nhandler got me with one that was even worse than being rick rolled [04:15] does it go "HEY EVERYONE! I'M LOOKING AT ....." [04:15] nhandler: oh dude, I am so adding that to my presentation for saturday....everyone can follow along by going to http://matthew.gwos.org [04:15] vorian: yup [04:15] haha [04:16] This is one time I'm glad for Quassel's web link preview function. [04:16] nixternal: I have my own subdomain there ;) [04:16] good old kingbahamhut [04:16] vorian: I would have expected you to recognize a ck link by now [04:16] yup [04:16] * vorian is getting sluggish [04:18] I need to change my hackergotchi [06:56] * a|wen want the new aptitude [06:56] Aptitude::ProblemResolver::Hints { "reject pulseaudio"; }; [06:56] that's the feature i'm missing :) [06:56] :D [06:56] Hi btw. :D [06:58] hi Quintasan [06:58] you're iso-testing? [06:59] :) [07:14] the upgrade killed apt-cacher-ng here... [07:31] mh, again flash videos do lack sound :( [07:33] is there going to be an upgrade path between 8.04 w/ KDE3 and 9.04 w/ KDE3 or will it require a fresh install? [07:46] kb9vqf: i think you're the only one able to answer that one ^^ [08:02] nukem2525: he doesn't seem to be around atm. I think you'll have to wait till he shows up [08:03] * a|wen hugs vorian [08:03] great post :) [08:03] any idea about his normal hours? [08:10] I would guess that it would require a patched dist-upgrade tool to go from 8.04 -> 9.04 [08:11] what are the odds of one being made availible? [08:11] depends on how many people know how to do it and how long that'll take to make [08:12] it'd be a little complex because it'd need to know the package translation path [08:12] so (some-kde-package) -> (some-kde-package)-kde3 [08:13] but I don't know enough about the remix to say for sure how easy/difficult that'd be [08:13] Ill probably end up doing a fresh install anyway [08:13] I messed up a couple things im to lazy to fix [08:14] now I just need to decide whether im willing to try KDE4 again [08:14] or not [08:16] nukem2525: when was the last time you tried it? [08:16] i tried 4.0 and 4.1 [08:17] nukem2525: a great deal has happened till 4.2 ... anything particularly problematic? [08:18] the network manager blew up several times [08:18] random X crashes [08:19] did you try the intrepid release; or the 4.0.0 / 4.1.0 versions? [08:19] 8.10 [08:19] when it first released it had 4.0 right? [08:20] nukem2525: it had 4.1.2 upon release [08:20] it's at 4.1.4 now [08:20] kk, I tried that as well as the 8.04 KDE4 remix [08:21] nukem2525: okay ... the hardy remix cd was really only for early adopters; after that kde4 has matured a lot [08:22] nukem2525: you can always give it a try ... live-cd's are a great invention in that regarg [08:22] ya I knew when I went in that the remix wouldn't be very stable but I was a bit disappointed after I had so many issues with 8.10 [08:24] I had it on 2 machines and both messed up pretty bad [08:24] it has been working out great for me ... no problems with crashes or anything [08:25] but with kde 4.2.2 i'd say that kde is now ready for everybody [08:27] Ill give it another shot but the only thing im looking for that KDE3 doesn't provide is Amarok 2 [08:30] yeah; amarok2 is great :) [08:31] Ive been banging my head against the desk trying to compile it on my mac since it came out [08:33] that does also sound like a challenge [08:34] Ive talked to the macports maintainer about updating the port but they are still using an old version [08:34] so Ive been trying to do it myself [08:36] what i've heard, kde compiling on mac should still be a lot of tweaked, just to get something out of it [08:37] I had no problem with KDE, I used macports to install 4.2 [08:40] when it is in macports it's another story [09:45] * a|wen just talked to a friend that has upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 ... everything just went smooth for her! [09:51] a|wen: sweet! [09:51] it looks good [11:14] omg! what a speed-gain you can have in some of the apps by using "--graphicssytem raster" [11:20] nixternal: How did help.kubuntu.org go? Anything left to do? [11:40] All the upgrades have gone smoothly here, including one 8.04 to 9.04 [11:41] awooga [11:43] hooray (: [11:44] Riddell: One nit that doesn't appear to hurt anything is that the 8.04 -> 9.04 upgrade ended up with guidance-power-manager installed. [11:54] Someone is working on a release announcement for Kubuntu, right? claydoh? [12:00] ScottK: hrm, that should be removed in the final upgrade stage [12:00] release announcement is mostly https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/RC/Kubuntu turned into html for kubuntu.org [12:00] Riddell: Maybe it was and I missed it. I'll double check next time I have access to the machine. [12:00] I'm about to do upgrade tests too [12:01] Riddell: We just need to settle on a URL and make sure slangasek has it to include in his announcement. [12:01] Ah. I see you already took care of it. [12:02] the easy part I did, take more effort to actually write the html :) [12:03] Well you also took care of the part it's impossible to fix after the fact. === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [12:28] JontheEchidna: we need more KDEing anyway :P [12:29] hm [12:29] uh [12:29] ah [12:29] JontheEchidna, nhandler: how about denting+weather? [12:29] magic plasma and magic KDE microblogging lib should make that a charm [12:29] then again, why bother with having the dents on one's desktop when you can has $plasmoid [12:30] oh dear [12:30] Nightrose: i386 build of amarok-nightly 20090421+svn956946-0neon1 in ubuntu intrepid RELEASE [12:30] Build started 44 minutes ago on thallium (virtual) and finished 16 minutes ago taking 27 minutes [12:31] wohoooooooooooooooo [12:31] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [12:31] try [12:31] then [12:31] hug [12:31] haha [12:31] ok [12:31] the liblastfm issue is going to be a problem with Amarok :( [12:31] Riddell: rex dieter already mentioned it and Leo is aware of it [12:32] he'll try to find out what can be done about it [12:32] ah, good [12:51] ScottK: yes I am, though not quite so early in the am ;) [12:52] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/d789ae658 [12:54] i would like some input from you folks on what you think should be highlighted in the notes, even the little things [12:55] I have a decent sized list already, but think I will miss something you think is important === rickspencer31 is now known as rickspencer3 === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: RC out! Final release tomorrow! | Final freeze in effect - Test CD ISOs! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [13:19] Nightrose: force-overwrite [13:19] * apachelogger needs to head back to work [13:20] amarok is a nightmare for packagers :> === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: RC out! Final release in two-ish days! | Final freeze in effect - Test CD ISOs! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [13:30] claydoh: Excellent. Just making sure we didn't forget. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: RC out! | Final freeze in effect - Test CD ISOs! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [13:34] ScottK: no, we didn't forget, though rockbox is distracting me so i have to put it away [13:47] Does anyone know if the radeonhd 1.2.5 driver is going to be released with or before the final Kubuntu 9.04? Supposedly this version addresses resume-from-ram video issues. [13:47] rmrfslash: 9.04 will be released with what it has now. [13:48] I see. [13:48] We're at the "unless the world is going to explode or someone will get sued, no more changes" stage. [13:49] That's a good state to be in [13:49] Is the version that's in 9.04 now going to stay that way until 9.10 or...? [13:49] Are these subject to upgrades [13:51] rmrfslash: patches can be added; but complete version upgrades of radeonhd is not likely [13:51] After release, we only change for security fixes or major issues. The rules for non-security updates are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/ [13:52] rmrfslash: have you looked at the radeon driver in itself? don't know which gfx-card you have, but it might have caught up with it [13:52] bummer [13:58] apachelogger: already done that of course ;-) just wanted to let you know === k4v is now known as m4v [14:33] ScottK: you're right about guidance-p-m, asking mvo [14:33] New DVDs are up for testing! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20090421.1/ [14:40] ScottK: bug 364620 [14:40] Launchpad bug 364620 in update-manager "guidance-power-manager remains installed for 8.04 -> 9.04 Kubuntu Upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364620 === barteqx is now known as siekacz === siekacz is now known as barteqx === barteqx is now known as siekacz === sabdfl2 is now known as sabdfl === fenris- is now known as e-jat [16:50] Riddell: ScottK do we want to have download mirrors listed in the release notes? I noticed we did not do so for Intrepid [16:52] claydoh: no since we put them on kubuntu.org and it has a download page (with a magicially updating list of mirrors) [16:52] so we just point to that [16:52] cool, I thaought as much [16:56] Riddell: any personal fave jaunty feature you have, that you want mentioned? [17:01] lol accidental ctrl-alt-backspace [17:02] will there be an upgrade path between 8.04 w/ KDE3 and 9.04 w/ KDE3 or will it require a fresh install? [17:03] claydoh: system-config-printer-kde has been incorporated into system settings and improved [17:04] I wonder why Details >> button is disable in KPackageKit while downloading and installing [17:04] nukem2525: yes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 testing welcome [17:05] that will preserve KDE3? [17:07] nukem2525: well no, it will upgrade to 9.04 [17:08] what Im asking is if I can upgrade to the 9.04 KDE3 remix [17:08] nope [17:08] awww [17:08] could try your luck with a dist-upgrade I suppose [17:08] I suppose I would have to manually select packages? [17:09] yes [17:09] I suppose I can give KDE4 another shot [17:10] good choice :) [17:38] Riddell : i have Probs with the DVD-Download, got two times an error at the very last moment.. something like File Access Error, then when i try to resume - it restarts - in FF with and without Downloadmanager [17:52] Tscheesy: use rsync [17:52] see KubuntuFiles [17:53] i'll give it another try - so i asume it works in principle [18:00] Tscheesy: are you using rsync? [18:01] actually -the old one got overwritten with a restart [18:08] * Riddell updates https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 for final [18:11] claydoh: do you know what happened to kubuntu forums in the end? [18:12] no, not sure if the owner even found out, but the host fixed it [18:13] claydoh: do you admin access to kubuntu-users? [18:13] after a smart member figured out where it was hosted, contacted them directly [18:13] Riddell: no I don't have it [18:14] claydoh: not my choice of password :) [18:14] lol [18:14] works for me [18:14] claydoh: is the kubuntuforums admin is still active? [18:15] not much, afaik [18:15] hmm, that's a bit worrying [18:16] I am pretty much the only one doing much, it doesn't need any modersting much [18:16] if that made any sense [18:19] claydoh: mm, but not a great idea to have a website hosted by someone who doesn't seem to care much if it disappears [18:19] Tscheesy: rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/dvd/current/jaunty-dvd-i386.iso . [18:19] thx - was hackin' here :D [18:20] Riddell: I agree, esp as he seems to travel a lot, makes it hard to contact him [18:38] Riddell: I don't have any printer config options in my system settings am I missing something? [18:42] claydoh: I think it may have somehow slipped back to the advanced tab :( [18:43] JontheEchidna: I don't have it there either [18:43] I should commit the change for placing it in the General tab to trunk now that I have commit access [18:43] claydoh: weird [18:43] * claydoh needs screenshots [18:45] how inconvenient, pastebin.ca is down [18:46] http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6466/49735984.png [18:47] ahhh gwenview (and digika are sooooo filled with awesomeness [18:49] Subject: SERIOUSLY--TAKE ME OFF YOUR LIST! [18:49] claydoh: may be a good opportunity to use your kubuntu-users powers :) [18:49] From: Kayt Free [18:50] " Getting these constant e-mails is really pissing me off...TAKE ME OFF [18:50] YOUR LIST! I've asked at least three times now! [18:50] " [18:50] I wonder if she wants off the list === fenris- is now known as e-jat [18:52] JontheEchidna: can I assume it's raining where you are? [18:52] daskreech: yeah [18:52] and it was so warm the last few days to :( (relatively speaking) [18:54] I removed and reinstalled systemsettings, and now get the printer config, only have this [18:54] http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1368/85614026.png [18:55] JontheEchidna: I don' have as many buttons on mine, feeling shortchanged :) [18:55] that's because the hardware driver one is only on my computer [18:56] and it doesn't do anything to boot [18:56] well, anythign useful [18:56] aside from crashing systemsettings [18:56] you could also install kgrubeditor [18:57] kcron for the task scheduler [18:57] kdenetwork-filesharing for samba [18:57] Riddell: assuming that email was to you? maybe sent before I added my email to the admin list [18:58] JontheEchidna: ill just use the defaults for my screenshot :) [18:58] JontheEchidna: thought I had sometthing busted here [18:58] nah [19:07] claydoh: to kubuntu-users-owner@lists.ubuntu.com [19:09] Riddell: her email is not in the member list for kubuntu-users [19:12] but I had mailman send an unsub confirmation [19:12] to the address [19:13] claydoh: could be googlemail.com ? [19:14] not as far as I can see [19:38] Hrm, knetworkmanager doesn't start on its own anymore. [19:39] Short of adding it to the autostart config file, is there a setting to fix that? [19:39] JontheEchidna: did you get my email? [19:40] blizzz: oh, right. I forgot about that :) [19:40] well then, this is a reminder :) [19:41] I did look over it, but I just forgot to get back to you guys [19:41] where it says "It turned (OUT?) a somewhat-obscure" [19:41] turned could probably be changed to "transformed" for clarity [19:42] otherwise it looks great [19:42] Using my LP picture is fine too. I should really think about updating it, though, since it was taken last july... [19:43] 23th 'd be a good date for a new one ;) [19:44] thank for inspecting it [19:46] +s [20:03] ok guysm night, wish me luck :3 [20:03] -m [20:08] good luck Quintasan === dpm_ is now known as dpm [20:21] Hey guys. I was on earlier to ask whether or not there would be a radeonhd driver update between 9.04 and 9.10. I was told by someone (I forgot whom) that "patches will be applied but complete upgrades were unlikely". Obviously, I was disheartened a little as the radeonhd 1.2.5 supposedly fixes some resume issues. Now, after looking around, I found this page: https://launchpad.net/~tormodvolden/+a [20:21] rchive/ppa [20:22] yup, those are testing packages , won't be official [20:23] but helpful for those who want/need to be on the edge :) [20:24] On this guys page, there is a deb for radeonhd 1.2.5 for Jaunty and was published 22 hours ago. I installed it, it at least doesn't break things and Xorg.0.log shows that RADEONHD is version 1.2.5. Does tis mean there is a update in the works for Jaunty? [20:24] no [20:24] ppa= *personal* package archive [20:24] i c [20:25] but often they are quite stable and very useful [20:25] esp in your case it seems :) [20:27] yeah, it works... I have yet to see if it'll resume properly. Though this version was supposed to address that specifically (among other things). [20:28] and was one of the major problems I was experiencing [20:28] and couldn't circumvent [20:28] anyways... im happy. [20:28] :D [20:31] someone has an itch to scratch, and someone provides the back-scratching stick for it :) [20:33] nukem2525: Not sure if you're still around, but here's what you can do: 1. Copy your ~/.kde folder to ~/.kde3 2. Do the upgrade normally 3. Install kubuntu-desktop-kde3 4. Remove the KDE4 packages that got installed in the upgrade (optional) [20:33] nukem2525: I'll put something on the Wiki page before final [20:45] apachelogger: ping [20:45] jefferai: pong [20:45] hey, so in your release script [20:45] you know how you append the include directives for po and doc at the end of CMakeLists.txt? [20:46] how easy it is to substitute those directives for lines already in the CMakeLists.txt file? [20:47]