[00:00] <ikus060> it's me again, I'm looking for a Cloning tool for ext4. I have a 80Gig hdd and have it on my new 250Gig hdd.
[00:00] <mrwes> !dd
[00:00] <mrwes> er
[00:00] <ikus060> mrwes: I guest dd is what clonezilla use, right ?
[00:00] <BUGabundo> osubuck: of course
[00:01] <ikus060> mrwes: don't you have any HowTo ??
[00:01] <BUGabundo> Newk: no, its not
[00:01] <osubuck> BUGabundo: what would be the procedure to upgrade to the final from the RC?
[00:01] <BUGabundo> ikus060: clonezilla uses many tools
[00:01] <BUGabundo> I think that one you used was partimage
[00:01] <ikus060> BUGabundo: with ext4, it's using dd
[00:01] <BUGabundo> osubuck: the same for any update: $ update-manager
[00:01] <Newk> BUGabundo, lik i hear the startup sound and all, and then its fine it loads up all working but there is a delay
[00:02] <BUGabundo> ikus060: is it? didn't know
[00:02] <ikus060> BUGabundo: parimage doesn't support ext4 yet
[00:02] <BUGabundo> ikus060: thanks for the heads up
[00:02] <osubuck> BUGabundo: so i can just run the update manager as i normally do and it will do all of it for me?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> Newk: what GPU card, an Filesystem?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> osubuck: I run UM 4 times a day
[00:02] <Newk> its from a wubi install
[00:02] <Newk> BUGanundo
[00:03] <Newk> using the nvidia 180 drivers
[00:03] <osubuck> ok because i might just go ahead and get the RC then just keep it up to date and have the final :D
[00:03] <Newk> compiz etc working wit them
[00:03] <BUGabundo> Newk: use TAB to autocomplete nicks
[00:04] <Newk> BUGabundo, sori bout that...
[00:04] <BUGabundo> Newk: it's the 1st time I hear such a report.
[00:04] <BUGabundo> please file a bug on launchpad
[00:04] <BUGabundo> Newk: $ ubuntu-bug nvidia-glx-180
[00:04] <BUGabundo> Newk: also try to disable Compiz, and see if that works
[00:04] <Newk> BUGabundo, yeah its jus strange, like as if the display hasnt like started yet but all the rest has
[00:05] <BUGabundo> Newk: it could be xorg acting up
[00:05] <Newk> BUGabundo, ok sidenote, wheres sessions gone??
[00:06] <BUGabundo> Newk: can you stop GDM and use startx ?
[00:06] <Newk> BUGabundo, dont no how to do it
[00:06]  * BUGabundo mumbes about 2nd compiz crash in 24h
[00:06] <BUGabundo> Newk: ok... won't push you there then
[00:06] <kole> BUGabundo,  - compiz wont work for me either
[00:06] <kole> annoying as heck
[00:07] <Newk> BUGabundo, where is the "sessions" gui gone?? for configuring startup programs
[00:07] <Newk> BUGabundo, never mind
[00:07] <Halow> Newk:  You hit it. It's called "startup" now.
[00:08] <mrwes> startup apps :)
[00:08] <mrwes> Startup is for Windows
[00:08] <mrwes> heh
[00:08] <Halow> ;P Sorry. Apparently XFCE lacks such a GUI.
[00:12] <Bartman_> hey guys
[00:12] <Bartman_> any ideas on slow/choppy scrolling in Firefox 2,3. IBM T42p
[00:12] <Bartman_> glxinfo says DRI is enabled...
[00:13] <Bartman_> but using SGI driver.. shouldn't it be ATI? Now that they changed Xorg to not include xorg.conf I'm a little lost checking this kind of stuff
[00:14] <crdlb> Bartman_: what GPU, precisely?
[00:14] <crdlb> SGI just means mesa, ie an open source driver
[00:14] <Bartman_> I believe it's a... shoot... Fire mobility.... let me check
[00:14] <Bartman_> again
[00:14] <crdlb> lspci | grep -i vga
[00:15] <Bartman_> 9600 mobility it looks like from google
[00:16] <Bartman_> m10 fireGL mobility t2
[00:17] <crdlb> fglrx has dropped support, so you've been "demoted" to the radeon driver
[00:17] <Bartman_> :(
[00:17] <Bartman_> demoted.. .lol
[00:17] <shiznebit>  the latest xorg is broken :(
[00:17] <Bartman_> darn
[00:18] <histo> ?
[00:18] <Bartman_> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ATI_Mobility_FireGL_T2
[00:18] <histo> Not broken here
[00:18] <Bartman_> what ver of xorg are we using
[00:18] <Bartman_> in 9.04
[00:18] <crdlb> xserver 1.6
[00:19] <Bartman_> that wiki says fglrx has 3d support for it
[00:19] <crdlb> Bartman_: one thing that might help is to add Option "AccelDFS" "true" to Section "Device" of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:19] <Bartman_> isn't xorg.conf gone?
[00:19] <crdlb> it's disabled by default for AGP because it's unstable on some agp bridges
[00:20] <crdlb> fglrx supports xserver 1.6 with the beta that is in the jaunty repos
[00:20] <Bartman_> xorg.conf= blank
[00:20] <crdlb> but in that beta, they dropped support for anything below r600
[00:20] <tty> how many systems has jaunty broken this far?
[00:20] <crdlb> ie HD *
[00:20] <tty> i refer to the topic, of course.
[00:20] <crdlb> tty: 7
[00:20] <tty> really? :)
[00:20] <crdlb> Bartman_: it should have a skeleton configuration
[00:21] <crdlb> tty: nope
[00:21] <Bartman_> it's totally blank
[00:21] <crdlb> Bartman_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[00:21] <crdlb> will make it, then
[00:21] <Bartman_> how do you guys remember this stuff off the top of your head like this?
[00:21] <Bartman_> sheesh
[00:21] <Bartman_> :)
[00:22] <histo> X isn't broken here
[00:22] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:22] <BUGabundo> we just use it a lot
[00:22] <crdlb> I could say I make aliases, but I'd be lying
[00:22] <crdlb> I'm far too lazy
[00:22] <shiznebit> histo: have you tried playing any opengl games ?
[00:23] <histo> yes
[00:23] <histo> shiznebit: play them fine here
[00:24] <shiznebit> histo: what card are you using ?
[00:24] <histo> shiznebit: nvidia
[00:24] <histo> 8400gs
[00:25] <shiznebit> histo: well your the lucky one :)
[00:25] <histo> I've never had a problem with X on jaunty.  Just with pulseaudio.
[00:26] <Bartman_> ok, added option "accelDFS" "true", reboot and see what happens
[00:26] <tty> whens the release slated for
[00:26] <histo> You guys messing around with ati cards?
[00:26] <histo> tty: thursday
[00:26] <tty> planned to be done in a few days i herd
[00:26] <BUGabundo> crdlb: I have more alias then the original .bashrc has text lines
[00:27] <tty> histo:  whats the new stuff?
[00:27] <tty> new shiny kernel??
[00:27] <histo> tty: ext4 new kernel faster boot times.  Its a lot faster than intrepid imo
[00:27] <Bartman_> ya.. I have an ATI card in the laptop I'm using
[00:27] <shiznebit> histo: yeap on ATI
[00:27] <histo> tty: ext4 is optional
[00:27] <BUGabundo> tty: read the release notes
[00:27] <Bartman_> want to trade me for a laptop with a NVIDIA card
[00:27] <histo> Bartman_: shiznebit have you guys read the release notes? About exa
[00:27] <tty> ext4 is new or something ?
[00:27] <BUGabundo> histo: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[00:27] <shiznebit> histo: yeap
[00:27] <crdlb> Bartman_: note that the O in Option needs to be capitalized
[00:27] <BUGabundo> tty: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[00:28] <BUGabundo> sorry histo
[00:28] <Bartman_> ya, got it crdlb
[00:28] <Bartman_> what's that histro?
[00:28] <crdlb> that stuff is for intel, not radeon
[00:30] <Bartman_> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx
[00:30] <Bartman_> how about some of the stuff in the speed section of that page
[00:30] <histo> I thought there was stuff in the notes for ati
[00:30] <crdlb> you're not using fglrx
[00:30] <Bartman_> ooooh, ya
[00:30] <Bartman_> :P
[00:30] <Newk> BUGabundo, ok submitted my bug, its so strange, its only marginally quicker if i disable compiz ... still a 10-15 min black screen wit only cursor ??
[00:30] <Newk> sex*
[00:30] <Newk> sec*
[00:31] <crdlb> histo: there ought to be, but I'm not seeing it
[00:31]  * Bartman_ reboot
[00:31] <crdlb> there's nothing to say other than "don't upgrade if you're really attached to fglrx" though
[00:31] <BUGabundo> Newk: strange! is it a fast machine? do you have tomboy?
[00:32] <Newk> wel lik its a decent dual core, 4gig ram, ok ...
[00:32] <Newk> yeah i hav tomboy
[00:32] <Newk> bu not runnin
[00:34] <Bartman_> nope still crappy scrolling
[00:34] <BUGabundo> Newk: ok.... there was this old bug where tomboy applet added 10 secs to login
[00:34] <Bartman_> I think it got worse after my last update today
[00:34] <Bartman_> it's really bad on slashdot.com
[00:34] <Newk> BUGabundo, i think i may hav found a fix, wait two secs
[00:35] <Bartman_> ya, it's much worse than it used to be before doing apt-get upgrade today...
[00:36] <crdlb> Bartman_: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:36] <Bartman_> eeh, what ever.. I don't feel like trying to figure this out all night.. maybe it'll get better
[00:36] <Bartman_> what's the pastebin url again?
[00:36] <crdlb> !pastebin
[00:37] <BUGabundo> bah crdlb as more coffe then me
[00:37] <BUGabundo> I better go to bed
[00:37] <BUGabundo> you guys and galls can take care of this for now, right?
[00:37] <crdlb> caffeine is for the weak
[00:37]  * BUGabundo doesn't drink coffee
[00:39] <Bartman_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/155029/
[00:40] <crdlb> Accel has two c's
[00:40] <Bartman_> dooh
[00:41] <Bartman_> yes it does
[00:41] <Bartman_> see anything else bad?
[00:42] <Bartman_> god these new MS commercials about people finding there perfect PC make me sick
[00:43] <crdlb> nothing jumps out
[00:43] <Bartman_> what driver am I using again?
[00:44] <crdlb> radeon
[00:44] <Bartman_> ATI makes it right?
[00:44] <Bartman_> should I look up any tweaks people may have for it?
[00:46] <crdlb> ATI contributes to it
[00:46] <mrwes> ATI doesn't like the EXA acceleration
[00:46] <mrwes> and that's default in Jaunty
[00:47] <Bartman_> thanks for the info guys, you ubuntu guys are always very helpful
[00:47] <crdlb> mrwes: aren't you thinking of intel?
[00:47] <BUGabundo> I think he is
[00:47] <mrwes> hrmm..no I had the same problem with my ATI V250 card
[00:48] <crdlb> for radeon, the only choices are XAA and EXA
[00:48] <mrwes> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
[00:48] <crdlb> EXA was slow here until I found out about AccelDFS (RV200)
[00:48] <mrwes> right...and I had to change to XAA to get compiz to work
[00:48] <histo> Thats what I was saying about the release notes crdlb Bartman_
[00:48] <mrwes> couldn't even enable it
[00:49] <mrwes> what's AccelDFS?
[00:51] <Jordan_U> crdlb, Walk on the wild side, use UXA and get redirected direct rendering :)
[00:51] <donpdonp> upgraded from 8.10. kernel wouldnt boot (missing root FS), and X windows is in software rendering mode (Intel card, works in 8.10)
[00:51] <donpdonp> i hope its not released like that.
[00:51] <shiznebit> mrwes: "Not really sure what it does but it stands for accelerated EXA DownloadFromScreen. If EXA works for you then this can be used as an extra performance increase. The manual says it is turned off by default due to issues with AGP so you are warned."
[00:51] <Bartman_> gonna reboot see what happens
[00:51] <mrwes> ahh...EXA didn't work at all, I'm using XAA
[00:52] <crdlb> Jordan_U: not with radeon :>
[00:53] <crdlb> mrwes: acceldfs just makes exa faster
[00:53] <Jordan_U> crdlb, Oh, misread :)
[00:53] <mrwes> ahh..ok
[00:53] <shiznebit> crdlb: if your on a laptop will it do anything
[00:54] <Bartman_> better.. but still crazy choppy on slashdot.com
[00:54] <Bartman_> I still think it's related to the latest updates I installed just now
[00:55] <Bartman_> it chops faster now...
[00:55] <Bartman_> but other sites scroll just fine... odd
[00:56] <crdlb> shiznebit: yes
[00:56] <shiznebit> Bartman_: if your interested about different options, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6971991&postcount=6
[00:57] <Bartman_> looking thanks
[00:57] <shiznebit> crdlb: thanks crdlb
[00:57] <digitaloktay> bug 114739
[00:57] <Bartman_> I'll stick all the Options in there and see what happens
[00:58] <digitaloktay> hi ubuntu+1 ;)
[01:00] <yml> hello good evening
[01:00] <digitaloktay> good evenig yml
[01:00] <digitaloktay> +n
[01:01] <yml> I would like to know if someone is familiar with the alsa
[01:01] <yml> and the way the enhancement is integrated in the current releases
[01:02] <digitaloktay> changing the topic to karmic koala, when jaunty released?
[01:02] <yml> Yesterday I have been reporting this issue : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/363870
[01:02] <Bartman_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/363238
[01:03] <Bartman_> seems to be related to EXA, they say switching to XAA fixes it
[01:03] <Bartman_> I'll try that next
[01:03] <aboSamoor> I have this error using update-manager http://paste.ubuntu.com/155039/
[01:04] <yml> and dtchen have been kindly updating the issue and letting me know that the pb is fixed in alsa-driver trunk
[01:06] <yml> so I would like to know if this means that the deb package for ubuntu is going to be fixed for 9.04 or only for the next ubuntu version ?
[01:06] <donpdonp> is there a GUI for KVM management in Jaunty? i heard there was
[01:07] <crdlb> aboSamoor: first off, don't use sudo
[01:08] <crdlb> I'm not sure what the problem is though
[01:08] <crdlb> unless that's it, which seems unlikely
[01:09] <dotblank> Anyone hav issues with save dialog being really slow?
[01:12] <geek_> I'm trying to get jaunty working on a system that needs a custom xorg.conf file. I notice that the xorg.conf in the system is... well empty. Can i just replace this with an older one i have, and still have things work?
[01:12] <dotblank> I seem to have alot of issues with the new xorg server is there a way to roll back a version?
[01:13] <crdlb> dotblank: not really
[01:13] <crdlb> geek_: what exactly does it need?
[01:13] <donpdonp> it looks like the initrd for 9.4 does not have the reiserfs driver. just a theory as to why the system didnt boot after upgrade from 8.10
[01:14] <geek_> crdlb: it uses a non standard resolution nothing seems to pick up
[01:14] <crdlb> geek_: you can still add that sort of thing
[01:14] <crdlb> the only bits that may be ignored are input devices (and I'm not sure about that)
[01:14] <geek_> http://greytech.livejournal.com/1974.html
[01:14] <geek_> crdlb: well, its... empty
[01:14] <crdlb> it's not supposed to be
[01:15] <crdlb> it should be a skeleton, but feel free to use your old one
[01:15] <crdlb> (sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg will write that skeleton)
[01:16] <geek_> ahh
[01:16] <geek_> that will help ;p
[01:17] <digitaloktay> bug 114739 adding new comment,
[01:20] <aboSamoor> this update to compiz 1:0.8.2-0ubuntu8 is really annoying, my video card now is blocked !
[01:21] <crdlb> you can override the blacklist
[01:21] <crdlb> but blame intel :/
[01:24] <dotblank> New Wave Theme is awesome!!!
[01:29] <cajun2> I'm up-to-date. At the beginning of last week, I had a kernel error that kept my laptop from recovering from standby. After that, no drives will mount except for root.  Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this? The error was automatically reported. I ran fsck in recovery mode and it only scanned my root drive. How do I make it scan my other drives?
[01:31] <histo> cajun2: fsck /dev/xxx
[01:33] <fakhrij> what about jaunty release party?
[01:41] <cajun2> when I do that, this is what happens
[01:48] <histo> fakhrij: in #ubuntu-release-party
[01:50] <aboSamoor> can you help me ? eid@eid-laptop:~$ aplay -l
[01:50] <aboSamoor> aplay: device_list:217: no soundcards found...
[01:50] <geek_> XD
[01:50]  * geek_ got xubuntu jaunty working on a anchient PIII ;p
[01:51] <geek_> i just need to check for one major issue i had with older versions and i'm good
[01:51]  * Dekkard has it on a p111 800 coppermine
[01:51] <Dekkard> ancient enough?
[01:51] <geek_> Dekkard: PIII 733 coppermine, 128 mb ram
[01:51] <Dekkard> oooh.. not much ram eh?
[01:51] <geek_> i've actually gotten an older version of kubuntu on a PIII 450, but it had a lot of ram
[01:51] <geek_> ya
[01:52] <geek_> i figure push comes to shove, i can swap it for lxde
[01:52] <Dekkard> on old systems.. I think ram is the major issue.. when it comes to swapping its just ugly
[01:52] <geek_> i must say, this release boots REALLY fast
[01:52] <thiebaude> geek_: or put fluxbox or blackbox on it
[01:53] <geek_> Dekkard: even more so when its a laptop
[01:53]  * Dekkard is running lxde now.. 
[01:53] <geek_> thiebaude: Prolly LXDE
[01:53] <Jaxxel> will the release candidate upgrade to the 9.04 proper?
[01:53] <Dekkard> i think lxde is faster than the boxes
[01:53] <geek_> next step is networking
[01:53] <thiebaude> i tried lxde
[01:53] <kklimonda> Jaxxel: yes
[01:53] <Jaxxel> cool, thanks...
[01:54] <aboSamoor> i lost rge
[01:55] <meatcar> hey guys, i'm back with my webcam problems. I have looked again, and my webcam is based on sn9c102. It is a no-name cam that my dad got in trinidad. i'm trying to set it up with skype, but it always shows up black and white, and laggy in linux. EasyCam is not availble, since its for hardy. just wondering if i should just install any avaible driver and hope for the best?
[01:55] <aboSamoor> i lost sound can you help me ?
[01:55] <thiebaude> i think i'll try lxde agian
[01:56]  * Dekkard is not a sound kind of guy..
[01:56] <Dekkard> but when you open the mixer does it show more than one device?
[01:57] <geek_> o0
[01:57]  * geek_ has a wierd error message
[01:58] <Dekkard> dinner
[01:59] <geek_> when i try to run sudo i get "sudo: timestamp is too far in the future" ;p
[01:59] <geek_> I'm obviously a time traveller
[01:59] <mase_work> geek_: well done :)
[01:59] <inasmu> geek_: I used to get that problem when my system clock was set wrong
[01:59] <geek_> thats possible with this specific piece of junk ;p
[02:03] <slicslak> just installed Jaunty and having troubles getting flash to work properlly.  at a regular site with flash, it first shows a big play button (causing me to thing this isn't flash??!)  but at hulu.com or cbs.com when trying to watch a show it doesn't show anything.  any ideas?
[02:04] <bruce89> !swfdec
[02:04] <DG19075> !flash
[02:05] <bruce89> slicslak: in other words, you've installed swfdec
[02:06] <slicslak> ahh, k
[02:08] <slicslak> wicked, thanks guys
[02:09] <szf> @aboSamoor - sound, fixed mine last nite (fin!) what's up?
[02:10] <szf> for all the long tutorials on restoring sound, the answer on this hda-intel system was in the groups membership
[02:10] <aboSamoor> szf: trying to modprobe the snd_intel_hda i got [ 6103.978426] snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_add_slave
[02:10] <aboSamoor> [ 6103.980616] snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_card_new
[02:11] <szf> this is 9.04 w/ pulse, right?
[02:11] <aboSamoor> szf: yes
[02:13] <aboSamoor> szf: how can I solve that ?
[02:13] <szf> im gonna go with the only thing that worked for me - are you marked as a user of pulse, pulse-access, pulse-rt in /etc/groups?
[02:14] <szf> i had very strange 'hardware' probs until i added my $USER/$GROUPNAME to /etc/groups
[02:14] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: are you using the most recent kernel?
[02:14] <aboSamoor> I am not in those groups
[02:14] <szf> add them
[02:15] <szf> then logout/login
[02:15] <szf> maybe work?
[02:15] <aboSamoor> kklimonda: Linux eid-laptop 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:57:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:16] <kklimonda> those unknown symbols are weird.. it should't happen..
[02:17] <aboSamoor> kklimonda: I tried to upgrade alsa using the shell script, because I have a problem with the mic
[02:17] <aboSamoor> kklimonda: now, I lost the sound
[02:17] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: oh.. you should't do it :/
[02:18] <aboSamoor> kklimonda: how can reverse back >
[02:19] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: can you show me this script?
[02:19] <kklimonda> or rather a page you got it from.
[02:20] <aboSamoor> the one available for upgrading alsa http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046137
[02:21] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: try this: ``sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic''
[02:22]  * aboSamoor restarting 
[02:23] <kklimonda> damn, those scripts should be banned..
[02:24] <bruce89> the Twitter influence
[02:27] <aboSamoor> kklimonda: it is not working
[02:28] <aboSamoor> kklimonda: I think i should follow szf solution
[02:28] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: ``sudo apt-get install --reinstall libasound2 linux-sound-base alsa-base''
[02:28] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: your problem isn't in permissions but in borked libraries.
[02:29] <szf> @kklimonda: from following the thread unfold i'm inclined to agree w/ you
[02:30] <ienorand> Is there a way to revert installed/modified/removed themes back to complete vanilla state?
[02:30] <aboSamoor> kklimonda: is logout enough ?
[02:30] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: modprobe snd-hda-intel
[02:31] <aboSamoor> kklimonda: FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[02:35] <Pollywog> is there an adobe reader package for Jaunty or should I use the one for Intrepid or Hardy?
[02:35] <Pollywog> I do not see one in Medibuntu
[02:36] <kklimonda> Pollywog: there is adobe reader in medibuntu
[02:36] <Pollywog> I do not see it
[02:36] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: hmm
[02:37] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: try to run this script with -r option
[02:37] <Pollywog> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ jaunty free non-free
[02:37] <Pollywog> that is what I am using
[02:37] <gbear14275> I thought I read somewhere a howto to enable package download via bittorrent... anyone remember something like that?  or have a pointer... google is being a pain
[02:38] <aboSamoor> kklimonda: which script ?
[02:38] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: the one you have used to install newer alsa
[02:38] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: ``sudo ./AlsaUpgrade-1.0.x-rev-1.16.sh -r''
[02:39] <kklimonda> Pollywog: it's there - i can't give you exact link because i've borked my ipv6 (long story ;]) but I've installed it from medibuntu repositories few days ago.
[02:39] <kklimonda> oh well..
[02:40] <crdlb> kklimonda: are you using amd64?
[02:40] <kklimonda> crdlb: yes
[02:40] <crdlb> that would be why
[02:40] <kklimonda> oh right - acroread is in partner repository for i386
[02:40] <crdlb> according the their web repo browser, it's missing for x86
[02:40] <thiebaude> iam trying to put a terminal icon on the desktop, where do i find terminal in usr/bin?
[02:41] <crdlb> thiebaude: just drag it from the menu?
[02:41] <thiebaude> im not able because i cant get into gnome so i have to use blackbox
[02:42] <crdlb> you generally don't want to put direct links to executables on your desktop, but instead use .desktop files which are what compose your menu
[02:42] <DG19075> easiest way to do it
[02:42] <crdlb> thiebaude: uh, so which desktop are you referring to, then?
[02:43] <crdlb> afaik, none of the *box WMs come with a fancy desktop manager
[02:43] <thiebaude> crdlb: i have the gnome desktop without panels and stuff like that, the only way i can use it is by adding programs by using the launcher command,
[02:43] <thiebaude> its a long story
[02:44] <crdlb> cp /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop ~/Desktop/
[02:44] <crdlb> that should work for gnome
[02:44] <thiebaude> thanks alot, i cant wait till my 9.04 cd arrives
[02:44] <crdlb> also, did you try failsafe gnome?
[02:44] <crdlb> have you tried making a new user to see if it's a configuration problem?
[02:44] <thiebaude> yea, x freezes, major problem with intel
[02:45] <geek_> thiebaude: happens with kubuntu too. It seems to have stopped for some reason for me tho
[02:46] <geek_> thiebaude: happens with kubuntu too. It seems to have stopped for some reason for me tho
[02:46] <Barridus> anyone tried "fakeraid" in Jaunty?
[02:46] <Barridus> (aka softraid, etc)
[02:46] <crdlb> thiebaude: I would expect that all intel freezes would go away if you disabled Accel entirely with Option "NoAccel" "true"
[02:47] <thiebaude> crdlb: my xorg is empty
[02:47] <crdlb> xorg.conf
[02:47] <thiebaude> yup
[02:47] <crdlb> please don't call it 'xorg', it's very ambiguous :/
[02:47] <geek_> thiebaude: xorg.conf? ya, it seems to be unless you explicitly get one
[02:48] <crdlb> somebody screwed up :/
[02:48] <crdlb> run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:48] <thiebaude> i've been using this same i815 since 6.06
[02:49] <geek_> this is amusing
[02:49] <crdlb> ouch
[02:49]  * geek_ notes the laptop he's working on seems faster when i ssh to it, than when i run things on it
[02:53] <Moc> Im probably going to downgrade to 8.10...
[02:54] <crdlb> ok!
[02:54] <mase_work> Moc: yeh I think a few people will need to do that myself included.
[02:54] <rm```> why
[02:54] <kklimonda> Moc: why?
[02:54] <geek_> Moc: issues with KDE4?
[02:54] <kklimonda> also "downgrading" isn't easy to do - you will probably have to reinstall 8.10..
[02:54] <mase_work> Moc: going to keep it installed until testing is finished to report bugs and help out then go back to intrepid
[02:55] <mase_work> well re-install as kklimonda pointed out
[02:55] <Moc> Language switching key doesn't work, vlc control bar can't be link with video window, I had 3 crash so far at random interval with no log or kernel panic info
[02:55] <rm```> :(
[02:56] <mase_work> Moc: do you have an intel chipset ?
[02:56] <Moc> mase_work: yes
[02:56]  * geek_ hasn't had too many issues, got a 955. I have random freeups and thats about it
[02:57] <Moc> pidgin integration with the new popup msg isn't that great, I dont mind the popup about the msg, but the pidgin msg icon in the tray bar is annoying
[02:57] <mase_work> Moc:  i have 2 systems, one on intel and my work one which is using the binary nvidia driver.Unfortunately the nvidia desktop at work is the stable one, so i'm not entirely sure that those crashes are directly related to kde
[02:58] <mase_work> as i get them alot on the intel machine
[02:58] <mase_work> but the same software running on here is fine
[02:58] <Moc> mase_work: Im using gnome
[02:58] <mase_work> Moc: ah ok
[02:58] <mase_work> that sucks then
[02:58] <mase_work> gnome should be pretty stable
[02:58] <Moc> first time in 64bit also
[02:58] <mase_work> ah k
[02:59] <Moc> I might have to disable compiz, might be related to it
[02:59] <Moc> I know I found compiz slower on 9.04 than on 8.04
[02:59] <mase_work> Moc:  again that is related to the intel driver status atm
[02:59] <Moc> video = nvidia
[03:00] <mase_work> i thought you said you had intel before when i asked ?
[03:00] <mase_work> 11:26] <mase_work> Moc: do you have an intel chipset ?
[03:00] <mase_work> [11:26] --> cky has joined this channel (n=cky@98.104.209.249).
[03:00] <mase_work> [11:27] <Moc> mase_work: yes
[03:01] <Moc> chipset is intel, video gpu is nvidia
[03:01] <crdlb> -_-
[03:01] <mase_work> nvidia for me is working fine
[03:02] <Moc> one thing that annoy me is Im trying to use rymthbox instead of audacious, but I can't seem to find a way to get the play/next/prev button in my panel
[03:03] <Moc> oh, and I wish thunderbird supported the new notify method. ..
[03:03] <Moc> I never and probably never will like evolution, It need an GUI revamp
[03:04] <kklimonda> indeed
[03:04] <Moc> oh, and in openoffice, in the wizzard, I can't see the tool to add language for the spell check
[03:05] <Moc> ha k it was moved
[03:05] <jtholmes> charlie-tca, have you performed any of the raid testing yet
[03:06] <Moc> btw, is it risky to use ext4 ?
[03:07] <geek_> Moc: ya
[03:07] <jtholmes> moc i dont think i would put it on my primary or prodcution machines yet
[03:07] <geek_> i think they would have fixed the issue by now, but i wouldn't put it on a primary system
[03:07] <thiebaude> crdlb: what was that xorg.conf command again
[03:08] <crdlb> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[03:08] <thiebaude> thanks alot
[03:08] <Moc> I'll RSync every 5 min then hehe
[03:08] <geek_> hmm
[03:08] <geek_> any suggestions for a lighter web browser than firefox, that'll do flash and java?
[03:08] <thiebaude> crdlb: i'll need to also edit my xorg.conf file
[03:09] <thiebaude> geek_: arora
[03:09] <thiebaude> its fast
[03:09] <geek_> thiebaude: will it pick up the flash and java plugins automatically?
[03:10] <crdlb> there's a way to find out :)
[03:10] <thiebaude> yes, in 9.04 it will, but no other ubuntu's
[03:10] <geek_> i'm running 9.04 ;p
[03:10] <thiebaude> should have no problem
[03:11] <geek_> installing right now ;p
[03:11] <thiebaude> kewl
[03:11]  * crdlb is using epiphany-webkit
[03:12] <geek_> crdlb: i'll give that a shot too
[03:12] <geek_> While i like firefox, its too ramhungry for that box
[03:12] <thiebaude> arora uses qt 4.4
[03:12] <geek_> is that good or bad? ;p
[03:12] <thiebaude> geek_: i dont know,lol
[03:13] <thiebaude> and i thought google chrome was fast, when i was experimenting with it on xp last month
[03:14] <geek_> thiebaude: i'm actually suprised i'm getting decent performance off a box with 128 mb ram
[03:14] <ether_c> just curious, if any changes happen between the RC and the release, will they come through the package manager?
[03:14] <geek_> ether_c: yes
[03:14] <thiebaude> geek_: what are you running?
[03:14] <thiebaude> i have 512 mb
[03:14] <crdlb> thiebaude: chromium seems to work reasonably well
[03:15] <crdlb> other than being hideous
[03:15] <geek_> thiebaude: 128mb ;p
[03:15] <thiebaude> yea, the look of it
[03:15] <ether_c> geek_, cool: so there's no downside to installing the RC and then updating (programs being in debug-mode, etc.)?
[03:15] <thiebaude> oh, gnome?
[03:15] <geek_> ether_c: no
[03:15] <geek_> thiebaude: xfce
[03:15] <ether_c> geek_, aweso, thanks
[03:15] <thiebaude> i got a weid setup now
[03:16] <geek_> thiebaude: its an IBM a20p PIII 733, 128 mb ram, 1400x1050 15 inch screen (the best part of the box) DVD drive (!!!) no ethernet (!!!!!!!!) one usb port (words escape me) i use for wireless
[03:17] <thiebaude> geek_: i got a dell optiplex 1gz 512mb very cheap intel grahics card video 130gb hd etc pIII
[03:18] <thiebaude> geek_: but you know one thing, the flash in 9.04 is very good on this machine
[03:19] <geek_> thiebaude: the only showstopper right now is youtube slideshows in full screenm and i haven't tested cideo playback
[03:19] <geek_> thiebaude: ram is the critical bit. i have a PIII 450 that can handle kde 3.5 with no issues
[03:19] <thiebaude> geek_: have you tried blackbox?
[03:19] <geek_> thiebaude: not yet
[03:23] <geek_> thiebaude: oddly, its doing better than intrepid, which was having 10% processor usage on idle
[03:24] <thiebaude> geek_: in gnome idling is about 130mb in blackbox it about 80mb, then with arora using 25mb
[03:25] <thiebaude> flash uses the most memory
[03:28] <Moc> only thing annoying about aurora is that ALT-d doesn't work
[03:29] <crdlb> Moc: ctrl-l ?
[03:29] <CrocoJet> Is "Brasero disc burner" with some bugs at "progress bar" when burning dvd?
[03:29] <crdlb> that's the gnome standard shortcut for selecting the location entry, I'm not sure if kde uses it too
[03:30] <Moc> It feel more confortable to use alt-d
[03:30] <crdlb> I don't see how
[03:30]  * ienorand just had a near-death experience... saved by manual fsck and prayers the our Penguin Lord
[03:31] <crdlb> ctrl+l is about the most optimal key binding possible
[03:33] <bruce89> GNOME HIG says Ctrl-D is "Add Bookmark"
[03:33] <geek_> ienorand: those can be quite nervewracking
[03:33] <thiebaude> ienorand: cutting edge :)
[03:33] <crdlb> bruce89: alt, not ctrl
[03:33] <bruce89> Table 10-8
[03:34] <bruce89> ah
[03:34] <crdlb> it's an IEism for selecting the address bar
[03:35] <bruce89> "Delete from cursor to end of word"
[03:36] <bruce89> HIG says to not use Alt at all, as this is for the window manager
[03:36] <crdlb> no, alt is also for menu accelerators
[03:37] <bruce89> and that
[03:37] <crdlb> which is kind of what alt-d is on IE (iirc, they underline the first d in Address)
[03:37] <bruce89> mnemonics
[03:37] <Moc> for me, pressing alt-d is natural, since I rest 1 finger on edge of space, and the other on d, so movement is very limited and I personally find it quicker
[03:40] <crdlb> Moc: if you use two hands, ctrl+l is fine
[03:40] <crdlb> just retrain yourself :)
[03:41] <crdlb> alt-d it won't work in any other apps anyway
[03:41] <Moc> well most of the time my right hand is still on the mouse, so I am already in the location bar before my rightend get to the keyboard so I have to just type the address.
[03:42] <Nhawdge> For the release of 9.04 what time do the repositories show up, more specifically what timezone on 23rd will jaunty be available for updates? (trying to plan a release party)
[03:42] <bruce89> +01:00
[03:43] <Nhawdge> bruce89: Thanks!
[03:43] <thiebaude> Nhawdge, i wonder if its 5 hrs ahead of US eastern time zone
[03:43] <bruce89> UT+0100 that is
[03:43] <thiebaude> bruce89, kewl, thanks
[03:48] <ckw> Hello all.  I'm using the 9.04 RC and for some reason ubuntu is not recognising my SD card.  I have plugged it in via an internal, URB connected reader, and it worked fine on Hardy.  THe reader has a status light when media is inserted, so it at least thinks it's functioning properly.
[03:48] <ckw> It also has an integrated USB port, which is working properly
[03:48] <Moc> urm, Terminal Service client doesn't work work
[03:48] <ckw> Any known bugs?
[03:48] <ckw> Terminal Service Client?
[03:49] <Moc> Terminal Server Client I mena
[03:49] <ckw> Oh.  Thought you were talking about my issue
[03:52] <ckw> Ah well, I guess I'll have to do my editting via window$
[03:52] <jmarsden> ckw: You might want to look in your logs (/var/log/messages) and dmesg output for anything relevant that appears when you plug the SD card in?
[03:52] <jmarsden> ckw: You can avoid Windows, surely... boot from an Intrepid LiveCD or something :)
[03:53] <ckw> Alright, something changed.  It now is recognizing the slots on the reader
[03:53] <ckw> but not hte card when it is in hte slots
[03:53] <Moc> My only windows need is for game, and VMWare Infrastructure client !
[03:53] <geek_> the gnome network manager is called nmapplet right?
[03:54] <geek_> or whatever xubuntu uses...
[03:54] <Veinor> geek_: The process name is NetworkManager
[03:54] <ckw> Last 50 lines of /var/log/messages: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d3ff7d532
[03:54] <geek_> Veinor: i need th packae name
[03:55] <Veinor> I want to say it's gnome-network-admin
[03:55] <jmarsden> geek_: Then dpkg -S `which NetworkManager`   # should tell you?
[03:56] <ckw> I have the feeling this is some sort of bug in the mounting t\software
[03:56] <Veinor> Nope, it's just network-manager. :|
[03:56] <geek_> network-manager: /usr/sbin/NetworkManager
[03:56] <mase_work> just out of curiosity can those mainline kernel ppa's be installed in intrepid ?
[03:57] <Veinor> But network-manager-gnome contains the applet.
[03:57] <jmarsden> ckw: Line 16 of your paste suggests that the device was detected as /dev/sdc, so you can fdisk -l /dev/sdc and see what is there?
[03:57] <Barridus> anybody here have better luck getting a softraid/fakeraid going in jaunty?
[03:57] <Barridus> better than i, rather :D
[03:57] <ckw> That's my USB drive\
[03:57] <ckw> which is working fine
[03:57] <ckw> and is mounted at /dev/sdc
[03:58] <ckw> I'm looking for my SD card
[03:59] <jmarsden> OK.  Did this work fine in Intrepid?
[03:59] <ckw> Which should be in sd[d-g]
[03:59] <ckw> Yeah, it worked perfect in intrepid
[04:01] <jmarsden> It's starting to look like you found a regression bug, ... I'd suggest filing a bug in LaunchPad at this point.
[04:02] <ckw> Alright, will do
[04:04] <Moc> in scribus, the Properties Window width is too small by default
[04:04] <kole> so it seems with the recent upgrade my chipset has been blacklisted in compiz... any permenent work arounds?
[04:05] <Stupendoussteve> kole: The intel one?
[04:05] <kole> yup
[04:06] <Stupendoussteve> kole: You can disable the blacklist, one sec
[04:06] <kole> ok
[04:06] <Surlent777> quick question...I tried the daily Kubuntu build yesterday, as much to try the 64-bit part of it as to see what to expect, and I noticed that it has the beta Amarok player by default. Does anyone know if they'll make a simple way to revert, etc. or if I should try and manually hold that one back?
[04:07] <Stupendoussteve> kole: See http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist - If you get random freezes I suggest blacklisting it again
[04:07] <kole> well
[04:07] <kole> i did what that page said earlier
[04:08] <kole> and... well... i just finished reinstalling the operating system
[04:08] <geek_> hmm
[04:08] <geek_> looks like lxde has their own network manager
[04:09] <Surlent777> geek_: If that knoppix CD I tried is any indication, yeah, it seems to
[04:09] <kole> like the first option works fine but its temporary... i want something that works every time... the third option broke ubuntu
[04:11] <Stupendoussteve> kole: In what way? It disables the check through a file rather than cli, only
[04:12] <danbeck> In my network connections preferences, on the VPN tab, the Add button is grayed out.  Is there something you have to turn on to be able to create vpn connections?
[04:17] <Stupendoussteve> danbeck: According to ubuntu help (F1 on desktop) you need to install network-manager-openvpn, network-manager-pptp and/or network-manager-vpnc (for openvpn, MS or Cisco)
[04:17] <geek_> Surlent777: trying to get a jaunty/lxde setup up... and... hoping i don't break anything in the process, since i need a custom xorg.conf file
[04:18] <danbeck> Stupendoussteve, thanks, I was seeing from a google search that I was missing something.  I was assuming that it was just installed already.  Thanks
[04:19] <ckw> jmarsden: This have everything needed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/364420
[04:22] <ckw> By the way, the link from that bot is wrong.  It's linking to some bug about the calendar from 3 years ago
[04:23] <kklimonda> ?
[04:24] <Surlent777> geek_: Unfortunately, aside from clearing that minor question up, I know very little of lxde, and the network managers kind of scare me right now...I've kind of got my wired set up with prayer and rubber bands at the moment...the result of having started with a 6.06 CD...I mean, it connects at system startup, but no network manager ever lists it (although it deals with wireless just fine)
[04:24] <ckw> kklimonda: for me at least, "bug 264420" links to the mozilla bugzilla
[04:25] <geek_> Surlent777: sounds like it uses the config file (which is the old school way of doing it)
[04:25] <ckw> Gah, mistyped
[04:25] <geek_> i broke it, BTW ;p
[04:25] <thiebaude> haha geek_
[04:25] <geek_> thats life ;p
[04:25] <Surlent777> geek_: Until I talked to debianguy a few weeks back, my wired didn't want to work at all
[04:25] <geek_> i'll just reinstall xubuntu desktop
[04:26] <Surlent777> geek_: Have you ever had Xfce on an 8.04 suddenly decide it doesn't want to load it's panels anymore?
[04:27] <kklimonda> ckw: you mean that when you follow this link bug 364420 you end up at mozilla bugzilla?
[04:27] <ckw> Yes
[04:28] <kklimonda> weird
[04:28] <geek_> Surlent777: no.
[04:28] <ckw> Link URL: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364420
[04:28] <geek_> i acutally only installed xubuntu jaunty on that old box to bootstrap a lxde install
[04:28] <ckw> ...
[04:28] <ckw> Stop responding to my messages ubottu... :P
[04:28] <Surlent777> geek_: Well, it did to me yesterday...I guess I should go google-hunting, but it's not that high a priority
[04:32] <Surlent777> I'm more concerned with trying to make my upgrade go as smoothly as possible...last two were pretty crazy. That reminds me, has there been any updates on the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace controversy, and will there be anything I can do to restore that useful behavior?
[04:33] <kklimonda> Surlent777: install package dontzap
[04:33] <kklimonda> and then do ``dontzap --disable''
[04:34] <Surlent777> kklimonda: Awesome, thanks I'm going to write that down right now. Do I need to sudo that?
[04:34] <kklimonda> yes
[04:40] <msi> hi
[04:40] <Surlent777> yo
[04:40] <msi> who change spanish
[04:40] <Surlent777> the people, over time
[04:40] <thiebaude> lol
[04:41] <msi> ubuntu spanish please
[04:41] <xangua> msi: spanish ¿?
[04:41] <msi> yeat
[04:43] <xangua> msi: go to #ubuntu-es
[04:45] <HiveDrone> hello
[04:46] <HiveDrone> I have just a few minutes ago become aware of a problem with the remote desktop (VNC) in ubuntu
[04:46] <HiveDrone> or not problem, rather a feature not discribed as it should be
[04:48] <dia> Im having an issue with jaunty locking-up randomly.. I was wondering of what i should use to find out why its doing this.. After lock-up, a reboot is needed...
[04:49] <msi> thanks
[04:51] <HiveDrone> I have to go in a few minutes for work, just wanted to let you guys know that, when switching on under "preferences" "Remote Desktop" it gives the option of "Configure network automatically" if switching that on, it acts it seems like upnp, and that is not clear in the setting. So in other words I found out my desktop VNC port 5900 was forwarded through my routers upnp to the internet. In other words leaving it right open if I
[04:51] <dia> #$ck UPNP
[04:52] <HiveDrone> ?
[04:53] <HiveDrone> what dia?
[04:54] <dia> ?
[04:54] <dia> Im having an issue with Ubuntu locking-up randomly.. I was wondering, what should I use to find out why its doing this.. After lock-up, a reboot is needed...
[04:54] <HiveDrone> is it a total freeze?
[04:54] <dia> indeed
[04:55] <dia> New pc build
[04:55] <HiveDrone> try and check the cpu cooler, and or the temp. of your cpu, and since its a new build check that the thermal paste is okay between the cooler and the cpu
[04:56] <dia> there is about 150dollars in cooling...
[04:56] <dia> 2heat sinc
[04:56] <dia> 2nd*
[04:56] <HiveDrone> oki, but still a small thing liek the thermal paste will render all teh $$$$ useless
[04:57] <dia> k, thx
[04:57] <dia> This isnt a known issue with this distro?
[04:57] <kklimonda> dia: there is a known problem with ext4
[04:57] <HiveDrone> not that I know of, but I am not a developler
[04:57] <dia> Also, it wont reboot at the startup screen
[04:58] <dia> Is there anything i can setup do dump some debugging info?
[04:58] <HiveDrone> gotta go, tc, hope you get your problem solved
[04:58] <dia> ill try to double check that, thx hive
[04:58] <td123> dia: how about trying 8.10 and checking if that happens
[04:59] <dia> Can i just install 8.10 without wiping this out?
[04:59] <td123> 9.04 still has some known freezing bugs
[05:00] <td123> check your temprature though
[05:00] <dia> figured, you cant downgrade, but never tried a seperate install of a previous disro, will this cause any problems?
[05:00] <td123> whatever you want to try (personally, I would try to diagnose it)
[05:02] <dia> brb, checking paste
[05:02] <mysticdarkhack> hello
[05:02] <td123> dia: did you apply the paste yourself
[05:03] <mysticdarkhack> can anyone tell me why or how I can get totem to play mms live streams?
[05:03] <td123> (when I built mine, amd already pre-pasted my cpu :D)
[05:03] <td123> mysticdarkhack: I don't know about totem, but I know if you install vlc, it plays mms just fine
[05:04] <td123> mysticdarkhack: totem is probably missing some codecs though if that helps you
[05:04] <td123> mysticdarkhack: search "gstreamer" in add/remove programs
[05:04] <td123> it's one of those codecs
[05:05] <mysticdarkhack> ty
[05:05] <mysticdarkhack> but
[05:05] <mysticdarkhack> vlc can't seem to play it sometime
[05:05] <mysticdarkhack> I'm just seeing why these two player won't play mms
[05:05] <mysticdarkhack> I got mplayer work
[05:05] <td123> dunno
[05:05] <mysticdarkhack> probably need to test xine
[05:06] <td123> whatever works
[05:06] <mysticdarkhack> lol yeah
[05:06] <td123> I personally just used mplayer to download streams and watch them later :D
[05:08] <dash|x58> does jaunty have ralink support?
[05:12] <mage_> so linux-image-* now has modules as well as the kernel itself?
[05:32] <cnwesleywang> two days left, my laptop still no sound. can anybody help me?
[05:33] <Guest62117> question: my linux keeps randomly typing previous things i typed before while im typing
[05:33] <dougmmms> i'm sure this question has been asked a lot (i was in here last week talking about it) and i'm not complaining.  i discovered xorg, gem, and the intel 2.6 driver don't work well together (i.e. high xorg cpu usage resulting in a slow desktop).  i've looked at several bug reports on launchpad, is there any place where news on the issue is updated?
[05:34] <dash|x58> guest, you've got a hacker
[05:34] <Guest62117> a hacker?
[05:34] <Guest62117> how so?
[05:34] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, what are the details of your sound card / issues regarding sound?
[05:34] <dash|x58> someone is hacking you
[05:34] <Guest62117> somebody is monitoring what i am doing
[05:34] <Guest62117> how do i fix the hacker problem?
[05:34] <dash|x58> yeah there you go
[05:34] <dash|x58> thats the hacker!
[05:35] <Guest62117> it doesnt happen to me when i run vista though
[05:35] <dougmmms> Guest62117, what exactly do you mean? please elaborate
[05:35] <dougmmms> give an example
[05:35] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : http://pastebin.ca/1397972
[05:35] <dash|x58> are they watching you through a VNC?
[05:35] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, hmmm, i have a similar (if not the same) card
[05:36] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms:  do you have this sound problem?
[05:36] <Guest62117> like say i said hello to a friend 5 minutes ago
[05:36] <Guest62117> then that elbuy them some head and shouldersl
[05:36] <Guest62117> ssee that happened again
[05:36] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, no. does sound work on the 9.04 live cd?
[05:36] <Guest62117> what should id o
[05:37] <Guest62117> why is it only happening in linux?
[05:37] <paul68> when I change to jaunty is it better to use the ext3 format or change to the ext4? secondly can ext4 work with ext3 in for example filetransfers?
[05:37] <dougmmms> Guest62117, i'm still not quite clear.  i'm only a novice user.  did the problem exist on the live cd?
[05:37] <Guest62117> no i have it installed in a partition
[05:38] <dougmmms> Guest62117, how did you install it?
[05:38] <Guest62117> i installed it while running windows
[05:38] <calc> paul68: stick to ext3 until 9.10 or 10.05
[05:38] <calc> er 10.04
[05:38] <dougmmms> paul68, ext3 is still more stable
[05:38] <dougmmms> Guest62117, using wubi?
[05:38] <Guest62117> im using ubuntu
[05:38] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : I have not try that. download livecd is a little big thing for me.
[05:39] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : I m just upgrade from 8.10 directly.
[05:39] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, i'd suggest having a copy of the cd (you can get one for free i believe from the ubuntu shipit service)
[05:39] <Guest62117> so basically like say i typed a link in my browser earlier... then later on i'll be typing something else and it will just show up into my text without doing anything
[05:39] <paul68> calc: dougmmms: ok will do that, what is the benefit of using ext4 over 3 just curious
[05:39] <dougmmms> paul68, speed
[05:39] <calc> paul68: faster but still isn't stable enough imho
[05:40] <dougmmms> Guest62117, you might be hitting a key by accident.
[05:40] <Guest62117> which key?
[05:40] <Guest62117> im just buy them some head and shoulderstypbuy them some head and shouldersbuy them some head and shouldersi
[05:40] <Guest62117> see
[05:40] <Guest62117> thats what happens
[05:40] <Guest62117> im typing regular
[05:40] <dougmmms> i don't know.  just speculation.
[05:40] <paul68> dougmmms: :calc: in speed as in seconds I suppose right?
[05:40] <Guest62117> im not sure whats going on
[05:40] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : so many things there, I do not want to do a fresh install even it works.
[05:41] <dougmmms> calc, is there an easy front-end for xorg configuration for guest's problem? rather than resetting xorg with the dpkg line in xorg.conf?
[05:41] <calc> not sure default always works for me
[05:41] <dougmmms> same
[05:42] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : I can download,that's ok. no need waster resource in the ubuntu shipit service.
[05:42] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : still I want finger out the problem, I have google that and I m not the only one.
[05:43] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, ok... one sec, let me find the sound config
[05:43] <dougmmms> go to: system->preferences->sound
[05:43] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms, ok and all Audo Detecte
[05:44] <dougmmms> hmmm ok. for sound events:  sound playback, click on the drop down and try 'Pulse Audio"
[05:44] <dougmmms> and click on test
[05:44] <Guest62117> do u guys know what my problem is?
[05:45] <dougmmms> Guest62117, i haven't heard of the error and I've never experienced it myself
[05:45] <dougmmms> Guest62117, have you tried rebooting?
[05:45] <dougmmms> the clipboard cache would be cleared out
[05:45] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms  since I meet this problem for a while and somebody said it is pulseaudio problem,I have remove it from my system,I m now using alsa I think.
[05:45] <Guest62117> yes this is an ongoing problem
[05:46] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, i don't know much, but i honestly wouldn't recommend that
[05:46] <dougmmms> it's the default audio framework now
[05:47] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms  test work seems fine but just no sound.
[05:47] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, open up the terminal->type sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[05:47] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, then it's not working
[05:48] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : done,then?
[05:48] <dougmmms> Guest62117, i'm at a loss, then.  the only suggest i have is....  opening up a terminal and type:  sudo apt-get install sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:48] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms:  maybe reboot?
[05:49] <dougmmms> i don't know if you'd have to, but yeah
[05:49] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms: ok
[05:49] <dougmmms> Guest62117, that updates xorg (sort of resets it to default if i understand correctly).  you'll have to reboot afterwards.
[05:50] <_akahige_> in the last few days, when I print PDF's (via cups) the fonts are all grainy and jagged. anybody else seeing this? is there a fix for it?
[05:51] <Guest62117> wow i have no idea what  a termina is
[05:51] <dougmmms> Guest62117, go to applications->accessories->terminal (it's the command line)
[05:54] <Guest62117> thanks
[05:54] <Guest62117> will i have to reboot right away?
[05:55] <dougmmms> yeah
[05:55] <dougmmms> for any change to take effect
[05:55] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : no lucky.
[05:56] <Guest62117> in terminal it says type password but i am unable to type anything into terminal
[05:56] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms: may I have one copy of your /etc/modprobe.d directory and /var/lib/alsa/asound.state?
[05:58] <dougmmms> i doubt that will help
[05:58] <dougmmms> this may:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1110922
[05:58] <dougmmms> read through that
[05:58] <Guest62117> the command doesnt work
[05:58] <Guest62117> i tried the command on terminal
[05:58] <Guest62117> it doesnt recognize
[05:59] <Guest62117> i copy pasted
[06:00] <dougmmms> Guest62117, that was my fault: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:00] <Guest62117> thanks!
[06:00] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : in 8.10 my sound card works fine. this problem comes after I upgrade to 9.04.
[06:00] <Guest62117> it says warning
[06:01] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms : or can you tell me if it is there in your system:/var/lib/alsa/asound.state?
[06:01] <Guest62117> then i typed yes
[06:01] <Guest62117> and it went crazy
[06:01] <dougmmms>  that probably wasn't the correct input then
[06:02] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, if what is there? that file? it is
[06:02] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms: can you just copy paste the content?
[06:02] <dougmmms> one second
[06:03] <Guest62117> i copy pasted exactly what youg ave me
[06:04] <dougmmms> cnwesleywang, http://paste.ubuntu.com/155134/
[06:04] <dougmmms> Guest62117, at this point, i'd suggest reinstalling ubuntu through wubi
[06:04] <dougmmms> using the same process you did originally, i imagine
[06:08] <SandGorgon> in Kubuntu RC - I uninstalled a few apps like kopete, kmail etc  (using the package manager). I ran kbuildsycoa4 after that and rebooted once - I still have the icons for these apps in the launcher (question mark icons)
[06:11] <anr78> I have unchecked the "remember running applications..", but still apps keep starting when I log in. Anything else I need to do?
[06:14] <cjae> anyone here have nvidia 180 working with seperate x screens working in kubuntu 9.04?
[06:14] <cnwesleywang> dogmmms: don't know what is the exactly reason but it works now.
[06:15] <cjae> also does anyone else have the flash non free plugins blocked?
[06:15] <cjae> -s
[06:16] <cnwesleywang> dougmmms: thanks.
[06:23]  * cjae look at clock on the wall
[06:29]  * cjae uses hand
[06:29] <cjae> knock knock
[06:30] <geek_> cjae: i don't
[06:32] <cjae> geek_: x screens or flash?
[06:33] <geek_> flash
[06:34] <geek_> works fine for me, though it might be off the medibuntu repos
[06:34] <cjae> ahh
[06:34] <DaemonLee> Aight. Anyone got a minute?
[06:35] <DaemonLee> It involves a problem with Transmission and Firefox.
[06:35] <geek_> sorry if i'm slow. I'm trying to... grok an apple system (well designed... as if...) and checking if an older box i have can be used for movies
[06:43] <geek_> DaemonLee: both together? seems odd
[06:43] <DaemonLee> Well, doesn't seem to be so bad.
[06:43] <DaemonLee> But, it's with Firefox, and Transmission Web GUI...
[06:43] <DaemonLee> and when you add a torrent, it locksup.
[06:59] <cjae> hi anyone know how to get rid of the silly star on your home folder in kde 4.2 on9.04?
[07:13] <plonky> any ideas on how to fix the flash problem in jaunty?
[07:13] <plonky> tried a removal and re-install
[07:13] <dROg> what problem precisely ?
[07:14] <plonky> flash sites crash
[07:14] <plonky> or dont play correctly
[07:14] <plonky> the flash buttons are not active in firefox
[07:15] <plonky> i've installed flash player 10
[07:15] <plonky> is there anything else i could install?
[07:15] <|ns|nR8> i just install restricted extras and it installs flash
[07:15] <|ns|nR8> and all works fine
[07:15] <plonky> from synaptic?
[07:15] <|ns|nR8> command line
[07:16] <plonky> could you guide me?
[07:16] <|ns|nR8> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:16] <plonky> checking...
[07:17] <popey> of course you can do that from synaptic too
[07:17] <plonky> i'm still abit of a noob to understanding how all of this works
[07:17] <|ns|nR8> you gotta have restricted sources activated in sources.lst
[07:17] <plonky> i've been corrupted by windows
[07:17] <plonky> :(
[07:17] <MindVirus> Flash is fucked. Please help.
[07:18] <plonky> heh
[07:18] <|ns|nR8> or go to system menu- administration, software sources
[07:18] <|ns|nR8> make sure restricted sources is enabled
[07:18] <|ns|nR8> then open terminal and type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:18] <MindVirus> |ns|nR8, me?
[07:18] <MindVirus> Sorry, probably not.
[07:18] <|ns|nR8> um
[07:19] <|ns|nR8> i was telling plonky how i installed my flash
[07:19] <|ns|nR8> and it works fine
[07:19] <|ns|nR8> you could try remove yours
[07:19] <|ns|nR8> and try that method
[07:19] <|ns|nR8> if its not to late
[07:20] <dROg> work's fine on me
[07:20] <plonky> nope still not right
[07:20] <|ns|nR8> that was fast
[07:20] <plonky> starcraft2.com
[07:20] <|ns|nR8> takes half an hour for me to complete that
[07:20] <plonky> can you see if this site plays correctly
[07:20] <|ns|nR8> but io have slow internet
[07:21] <mefisto__> I can't get kaffeine to play encrypted dvds. it complains about needing libdvdcss, which is installed
[07:22] <|ns|nR8> use a different player ?
[07:22] <plonky> the flash buttons are not working correctly
[07:22] <plonky> :/
[07:22] <plonky> player like?
[07:22] <mase_work> mefisto__: there is a script you have to run in /usr/something/somewhere
[07:22] <|ns|nR8> site works for me
[07:22] <dotblank> any of you noticed slow performance with dialogs after resume?
[07:22] <plonky> :(
[07:22] <mase_work> mefisto__: can't remember the name but if you google you will find it
[07:22] <popey> vlc?
[07:23] <mase_work> dotblank: its just slow for me all the time :)
[07:23] <mefisto__> mase_work: that script just installs an older version of libdvdcss. I tried that but it made no difference
[07:23] <plonky> i also exerience the slowness
[07:23] <popey> !dvd | mefisto__
[07:23] <dotblank> well like this, normally 200ms but now takes 20 secs
[07:23] <mase_work> mefisto__: sorry, out of ideas then
[07:24] <plonky> any ideas what "NaN" means in the middle of a flash vid?
[07:24] <dotblank> guys pray the upgrade works for me! just finished restarting now
[07:25] <badfish69> no
[07:25] <dotblank> usplash works
[07:26] <mefisto__> plonky: it means "not a number" but I don't know why you would see that playing a flash video
[07:26] <plonky> the flash video is playing...but the buttons are not active
[07:27] <plonky> weird
[07:27] <mefisto__> plonky: so it's a .swf file?
[07:27] <mefisto__> or is it embedded in a webpage?
[07:27] <plonky> embedded
[07:27] <plonky> its a blizzard page
[07:27] <plonky> starcraft2
[07:28] <plonky> youtube works fine though
[07:28] <mefisto__> plonky: link?
[07:28] <mefisto__> plonky: probably a poorly created webpage or flash
[07:29] <plonky> http://www.starcraft2.com/
[07:29] <plonky> the menu at the top under the vid is not active
[07:29] <plonky> and its very slow
[07:29] <dotblank> 9.04 installed in under 20 mins absolutely no problems :)
[07:32] <nibsa1242b> dotblank: same here... only I did an upgrade so it took about 90 mins... no problems except my tracker database got corrupted and it fixed some sound issues that I had... can't wait until they release the fglrx driver
[07:33] <dotblank> anyone have a nexuiz 2.5 debs or ppa?
[07:33] <mefisto__> plonky: so where do you see NaN? on that main page in the video, or somewhere else?
[07:34] <plonky> middle of the video in orange
[07:34] <plonky> like while the vid id playing
[07:34] <plonky> *is
[07:34] <plonky> i'll take a screen shot
[07:35] <plonky> same place where you can see the flash loader
[07:35] <mefisto__> plonky: I don't see it. how did you install the flash plugin?
[07:35] <plonky> like % done
[07:36] <plonky> .deb
[07:36] <plonky> is that menu working below the vid?
[07:36] <mefisto__> plonky: from adobe.com or from ubuntu repos?
[07:36] <plonky> from adobe
[07:36] <plonky> the site runs incredibly slow
[07:37] <dotblank> hmm brasero is the only package that didn't upgrade and requires "distribution update"
[07:37] <mefisto__> plonky: just clicked "movies" in the menu and it took me to the page, although it took a while
[07:38] <plonky> :(
[07:38] <plonky> i'm going to try a re-install again
[07:39] <dotblank> hmm how is brasero the only one not upgraded
[07:40] <plonky> wtf?
[07:40] <plonky> i removed everything and its working?
[07:40] <plonky> thats not right
[07:40] <plonky> :/
[07:41] <plonky> *confused*
[07:41] <dotblank> hmm
[07:41] <dotblank> that fixed it, by reinstalling brasero
[07:43] <mefisto__> plonky: you may have had 2 flashplugins installed
[07:43] <plonky> hmmm
[07:44] <plonky> i suspect you are right
[07:44] <mefisto__> plonky: I remember seeing messages like that when I accidentally installed a debug version of flashplayer (I downloaded it because I wanted the standalone swf player)
[07:44] <plonky> thanks for the help
[07:45] <St0n3-C0l> Hmm any i810 user here ?
[07:57] <manpoole> I am considering going from jaunty 32 to jaunty 64 bit would i see any performance difference?
[08:13] <frederick85> when I run world of warcraft the enter button keeps pressing itself! What could be causing this?
[08:14] <marcreichelt> hi there
[08:14] <frederick85> hi
[08:15] <marcreichelt> I ran the Kubuntu 9.04 RC LiveCD, and Plasma somehow hang up
[08:16] <frederick85> during the installation?
[08:16] <marcreichelt> I had a console open to that time, and I was able to use it even after the menu bars and the task bar was frozen
[08:16] <marcreichelt> no, I used the Live system
[08:17] <marcreichelt> is this bug known - and if not, what can I do to provide you with useful information? :)
[08:18] <frederick85> I don't really know that much myself
[08:20] <marcreichelt> maybe I should boot the LiveCD first and try to force this error again
[08:21] <frederick85> before you go you wouldn't know anything about how to fix a problem with wine would you?
[08:21] <AK_Dave> frederick85: aside from removing wine? No.
[08:21] <marcreichelt> hmm - report a bug to the wine developers? ;)
[08:22] <marcreichelt> I use wine myself for 2 or 3 applications, but I am no developer of it
[08:22] <frederick85> well it's an old version of wine in jaunty
[08:22] <AK_Dave> frederick85: Is it a problem with wine, or is the problem that the game you want to use doesn't work in wine?
[08:23] <frederick85> the problem is I run a game and it's like the enter key is being held down
[08:23] <frederick85> Almost got into trouble for flooding #Ubuntu
[08:23] <AK_Dave> frederick85: Wine in Jaunty is current as of the code freeze.
[08:24] <frederick85> sure theres not a newer version from source?
[08:25] <AK_Dave> frederick85: Perhaps from winehq.org
[08:27] <St0n3-C0l> does someone use intel and has D845 ?
[08:28] <marcreichelt> so, now that I know how irssi basically works, it is time to boot the Kubuntu 9.04 Live system
[08:28] <marcreichelt> brb
[08:29] <dotblank> New pulse audio device controller = win!
[08:34] <SandGorgon> in Kubuntu RC - I uninstalled a few apps like kopete, kmail etc  (using the package manager). I ran kbuildsycoa4 after that and rebooted once - I still have the icons for these apps in the launcher (question mark icons) . anyone know do to get rid of that?
[08:41] <gurut> hello can anyone please help me I have run into a strange problem my /etc/passwd file is not accessable so I cant use my OS at all. When I boot into jaunty with the desktop cd and try to access the file it gives me this error:rm: cannot remove `passwd': Stale NFS file handle
[08:42] <dotblank> the new deluge seems to be much better
[08:42] <marcreichelt> hmm, regardless of my actions, Plasma does not want to hang up...
[08:50] <loquitus_of_bor1> Any way for me to get Jaunty to install some newer kernel or something?
[08:50] <loquitus_of_bor1> my freaking sound card stopped working
[08:53] <td123> loquitus_of_bor1: better report it if it hasn't been already reported
[08:53] <loquitus_of_bor1> td123: where?
[08:53] <shadeslayer> hi,is the ubuntu wiki down?
[08:54] <td123> launchpad.net
[08:54] <td123> click on ubuntu and jaunty bugs
[08:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> an on the fly question: I recall there's an easy way to boot without X, e.g. appending an argument to the kernel on boot
[08:54] <shadeslayer> shipit too
[08:54] <td123> file one if it hasn't been filed yet
[08:54] <shadeslayer> Le-Chuck_ITA: removing ro splash?
[08:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> shadeslayer: no I want to boot without X because it hangs the whole system due to an upgrade in jaunty
[08:55] <td123> shadeslayer: I think he means to not have x boot at all (/me thinks)
[08:55] <shadeslayer> ok
[08:55] <td123> Le-Chuck_ITA: change your runlevel to 3
[08:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> also I need to turn on networkmanager without nm-applet. If I use ifconfig on the command line from the recovery mode, it says "network is off"
[08:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> td123: thanks
[08:56] <dotblank> Le-Chuck_ITA: you can do this 2 ways, append init=/bin/bash to boot or start in recovery mode
[08:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dotblank: both don't start basic services, but td123 solution won't work :) there is rc3.d/S30gdm in /etc
[08:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> however I can remove it from my intrepid installation
[08:57] <gravityreloaded> hello evrybody
[08:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that is, accessing the jaunty partition from my intrepid
[08:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but for the network it is really complicated. I need to use apt directly on the system.... hmmm perhaps I can use a chroot?
[08:57] <gravityreloaded> has anyone encountered the bug where your explorer dissapears and browse is limited to shell?
[08:58] <gravityreloaded> I have a solution
[08:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: what bug?
[08:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> aaaaaargh
[08:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> intrepid can't access ext4!
[08:59] <gravityreloaded> "My Computer" stopped working - files inaccessible xcept from shell
[08:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> me dumb
[08:59] <gravityreloaded> :s
[08:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: ok :) never saw that one
[08:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I assume I'll be able to chroot from the live system, which means
[08:59]  * Le-Chuck_ITA reboots
[08:59] <AK_Dave> gravityreloaded: My Computer ???
[09:00] <gravityreloaded> y
[09:00] <gravityreloaded> ikonia: I eventually found the answer here : http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2009/04/awful-nautilus-brasero-bug-in-jaunty.html
[09:00] <AK_Dave> gravityreloaded: You mean like Nautilus->Computer ?
[09:00] <gravityreloaded> y
[09:01] <gravityreloaded> I could only browse in shell
[09:01] <gravityreloaded> that blog saved my installation
[09:02] <gravityreloaded> Becaus I uninstalled Brasero (I prefer gnomebaker), my nautilus was corrupted :p
[09:02] <AK_Dave> gravityreloaded: I never experienced that bug.
[09:02] <gravityreloaded> I didn't realise what the problem was at all
[09:02] <AK_Dave> gravityreloaded: I learned a long time ago with Ubuntu to not get too excited about uninstalling default software.
[09:02] <gravityreloaded> and I don't know what chmod  does
[09:04] <gravityreloaded> can any one explain what this command does: udo chmod a-r /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-2.0/libnautilus-brasero-extension.so
[09:04] <gravityreloaded> *sudo
[09:04] <gravityreloaded> I know it fixed my bug but can't imagine why?
[09:04] <AK_Dave> sudo = superuser powers, chmod = change file mode bits
[09:05] <gravityreloaded> chmod is the most ilusive for me
[09:05] <AK_Dave> gravityreloaded: 'man sudo' and 'man chmod' or 'chmod --help'
[09:05] <gravityreloaded> sudo of course I know
[09:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi again, I am now on the live system... how can I get the previous version of a package?
[09:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I can't find it on packages.ubuntu.com
[09:09] <gravityreloaded> AK_Dave: so, the command I referenced above removes brasero from configuration start-up? I guess nautilus was trying to load a program which did'nt exist...
[09:10] <rumpel> i dist-upgraded yesterday and everything runs fine ^^
[09:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rumpel you lucky :
[09:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[09:11] <dotblank> his breed is more common then you think
[09:11] <gravityreloaded> I installed from alpha ISO, have updated about 1Gb and everything is now fine :-8
[09:11] <rumpel> first time from within ubuntu's upgrade option
[09:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but where are the damn previous versions if they exist at all?
[09:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I want to report the bug but I need to be able to test :)
[09:11] <gravityreloaded> I have a problem with skype actually
[09:11]  * Le-Chuck_ITA will moderate his language in the future
[09:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: no mic?
[09:12] <gravityreloaded> no sound goes crackly
[09:12] <gravityreloaded> and I have to re-log
[09:12] <gravityreloaded> almost destroyed my speakersd
[09:12] <gravityreloaded> :p
[09:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah :) did you try removing pulseaudio and related packages, and then to use alsa?
[09:12] <gravityreloaded> google-earth also doesn't fly :(
[09:13] <gravityreloaded> pulseaudio?
[09:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I noticed skype does NOT apply sound settings unless you change the "allow skype to set the mixer levels"
[09:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: yes darling :)
[09:13] <gravityreloaded> ye but it goes crackly every time
[09:13] <gravityreloaded> I use it just for chat
[09:13] <SandGorgon> VirtualBox 2.2 - kubuntu 9.04 guest. The guest loses networking after saving state -> restore. Anyone experience this?
[09:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dunno. I have to try ekiga again.
[09:14] <loquitus_of_bor1> Is there a way to switch from using pulse to used esd ?
[09:14] <gravityreloaded> what's the safest way to remove pulseaudio and what does it do? I think it was installed by default
[09:15] <loquitus_of_bor1> gravityreloaded: I am not sure but I think pulseaudio is totally screwing with my sound card
[09:16] <gravityreloaded> :o
[09:16] <gravityreloaded> I thought it was necessary for certain audio applications like rosegarden etc
[09:16] <gravityreloaded> like multi-track audio stuff
[09:17] <gravityreloaded> dosn't jack server need it for example?
[09:17] <dotblank> remove it in the package manager
[09:17] <gravityreloaded> there are lots of them
[09:18] <gravityreloaded> :s
[09:18] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: http://www.pulseaudio.org/
[09:18] <rumpel> would it need a reconfiguration of xserver?
[09:18] <gravityreloaded> ikonia: thanks
[09:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: wait a sec: you need also to remove the various pulseaudio packages. E.g. if you type apt-get remove pulse<TAB> then you'll see them
[09:18] <loquitus_of_bor1> How do I switch from using pulseaudio to ESD?
[09:18] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: most of the projects have their own home page
[09:18] <loquitus_of_bor1> it appears both are installed
[09:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: pulseaudio is cool but it's not yet in shape IMHO
[09:19] <gravityreloaded> ikonia: I solved my browsing problem mentioned yesterday
[09:19] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: errr....great ?
[09:19] <gravityreloaded> yep
[09:19] <loquitus_of_bor1> Le-Chuck_ITA: not sure but I think Pulseaudio might be the reason why my sound card stopped working. maybe some update. not sure... what can I do to remove pulse and/or replace it with something else?
[09:19] <rumpel> @ gravityreloaded what was the solution?
[09:19] <gravityreloaded> I had to do this: sudo chmod a-r /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-2.0/libnautilus-brasero-extension.so
[09:20] <rumpel> o.O
[09:20] <ikonia> gravityreloaded: ah, so the library wasn't readable
[09:20] <gravityreloaded> http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2009/04/awful-nautilus-brasero-bug-in-jaunty.html
[09:20] <gravityreloaded> right
[09:20] <gravityreloaded> I did that command reloggoed and it was all back to normal
[09:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> loquitus_of_bor1: apt-get remove pulse<TAB> and you'll see them all. Remove them. But please *read* the messages that will tell  you dependent package sthat will be removed too. E.g. removing ubuntu-desktop is quite fine.
[09:21] <yoasif> irc related question: i want to register this nick (the nick was last used 15 weeks ago)... who do i talk to to get it dropped?
[09:21] <ikonia> yoasif: join #freenode
[09:21] <loquitus_of_bor1> Le-Chuck_ITA: that's what I was wondering about... I can remove ubuntu-desktop?
[09:21] <yoasif> ikonia: thanks
[09:21] <ikonia> loquitus_of_bor1: why do you want to do that ?
[09:21] <ikonia> loquitus_of_bor1: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[09:22] <loquitus_of_bor1> ikonia: I do not know why my sound card just stopped working... it was working fine for a while.
[09:22] <loquitus_of_bor1> so I am suspecting based on all the reports about Pulse, that it is to blame
[09:22] <loquitus_of_bor1> and hence want to remove it and see
[09:22] <ikonia> loquitus_of_bor1: so why do you want to remove ubuntu-desktop ?
[09:22] <loquitus_of_bor1> the driver for the sound card is the same as it was when the sound was working
[09:22] <loquitus_of_bor1> ikonia: when you remove pulse, it seems to want to remove ubuntu-desktop too
[09:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ikonia: ubuntu-desktop depends on pulseaudio
[09:23] <ikonia> loquitus_of_bor1: ok, so because of the depencey
[09:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> loquitus_of_bor1: ubuntu-desktop is only a metapackage assuring that you have the "base" ubuntu environment. It happens sometimes that you disagree with it and you have to remove it
[09:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> If we only could do that with people.
[09:23] <gravityreloaded> lol
[09:24] <loquitus_of_bor1> Le-Chuck_ITA: so if I remove pulse audio and ubuntu-desktop goes with it, I am not gonna blow my system up and/or lose my desktop right?
[09:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Guys I will be in serious trouble with jaunty. I am now running the live system and my Xorg works fine. The installed system worked fine when installed from this live system (yesterday's daily). Then after some usage X is "screwed". It won't start, just a black screen. Now I checked and I have the *same* version of the intel driver in the installed system and in the live.
[09:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> What next?
[09:25] <gravityreloaded> I get told "Unable to lock /var/lib/dpkg" when I apt-get remove pulse
[09:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> In fact, I didn't remember to have done a system upgrade
[09:26] <rumpel> @ gravityreloaded perhaps another update-manager (whatever) in the background?
[09:26] <gravityreloaded> don't think so
[09:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> loquitus_of_bor1: yes you can
[09:26] <rumpel> @ gravi when its locked, it seems to be used by another process...
[09:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: are you root?
[09:26] <gravityreloaded> yes
[09:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then there might be the automatic apt-get update running
[09:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ps aux |grep apt
[09:27] <gravityreloaded> :x
[09:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> update not upgrade :)
[09:28]  * Le-Chuck_ITA reports the bug and cries
[09:28]  * gravityreloaded is reluctant to take this pulse bug an further :p
[09:30] <gravityreloaded> rather than remove can I just de-activate pulse instead?
[09:31] <rumpel> removing is simpler
[09:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: problem is that pulseaudio auto-spawns and you never know which program is going to try to use it
[09:32] <gravityreloaded> ok
[09:32] <gravityreloaded> but it won't break my system?
[09:32] <loquitus_of_bor1> sound fixed!
[09:33] <gravityreloaded> my directories can't be locked because of rhythmbox playing?
[09:33] <gravityreloaded> ...maybe?
[09:34] <gravityreloaded> :o I had synaptic running on other desktop :p
[09:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> guys I am really in trouble. X is black on startup. How did it happen. This is why I am in trouble: I didn't do anything but reboot
[09:34] <gravityreloaded> "couldn't find packet pulse
[09:35] <rumpel> @ Le-Chuck_ITA just black? nothing else?
[09:35] <gravityreloaded> how do I remove pulse if it's not there?
[09:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> some chromatisms :)
[09:35] <gravityreloaded> !pulse
[09:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> some color variations that have colors in common with the desktop. The system runs, I can tell this beause if I press the power switch it reboots after a while
[09:35] <rumpel> @ Le-Chuck_ITA  hmm.. maybe switch to console, stop X, dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg (?)  and restart x
[09:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> can't switch to console.
[09:36] <rumpel> CTRL-ALT-FX?
[09:36] <gravityreloaded> I also have that problem
[09:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> blocked
[09:36] <gravityreloaded> y
[09:36] <gravityreloaded> me too
[09:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> X captures the keyboard
[09:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: when do you have this?
[09:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> always? and what video card do you have?
[09:37] <gravityreloaded> I have nvidia 6200
[09:37] <rumpel> do you reach login-screen?
[09:37] <gravityreloaded> can't ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:37] <gravityreloaded> I have automatic login
[09:37] <gravityreloaded> maybe sthng to do w it
[09:38] <rumpel> hmm... maybe thers a bot option, that will not start X... then you can try repair it with dpkg-reconfigure... just an idea
[09:38] <rumpel> a boot option
[09:38] <gravityreloaded> anyway when I "sudo apt-get remove pulse" it returns "can't find pulse"
[09:38] <rumpel> @ gravityreloaded  you need the exact package name
[09:38] <rumpel> @ gravityreloaded try "aptitude search pulse"
[09:39] <gravityreloaded> rumpel: ok
[09:39] <rumpel> or apt-get remove pulse<tabtab>
[09:39] <gravityreloaded> yes lots of results
[09:39] <rumpel> pick the relevant one ^^
[09:39] <gravityreloaded> which one do I remove?
[09:39] <rumpel> pulseaudio?
[09:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rumpel: I have automatic login
[09:40] <gravityreloaded> rumpel: ok my ubuntu-desktop was also removed...
[09:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: what video card do you have and are you typing from the system?
[09:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/364488
[09:40] <rumpel> @ Le-Chuck_ITA and CTRL-ALT-F2 (e.g.) wont work?
[09:40] <gravityreloaded> I have geforce 6200
[09:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rumpel: X seems to have locked the keyboard
[09:41] <rumpel> bummer
[09:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it may be a console switch issue!
[09:41] <gravityreloaded> maybe to do with no-dead-keys
[09:41] <gravityreloaded> ?
[09:41] <gravityreloaded> :s
[09:41] <rumpel> then you have to boot into console somehow... i guess
[09:41] <gravityreloaded> I had to change all kinds of things to get my accents working ok...
[09:42] <gravityreloaded> the most drastic way to do that is remove graphics drivers hehe
[09:42] <gravityreloaded> lol then u HAVE to text-boot
[09:42] <gravityreloaded> personally I'm not bothered about lsing that option
[09:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: but can you use that system, are you using it now? I am a bit confused.
[09:43] <gravityreloaded> I'm on system
[09:43] <gravityreloaded> brb have to re-log
[09:43] <gravityreloaded> ---finish pulse remove :)
[09:44] <rumpel> pulse also use a big portion of my eee-ressources :/
[09:45] <rumpel> lag in movies... sux ^^
[09:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes I don't understand why insisting on shipping it before fixing it. I never met an intrepid or jaunty system where pulseaudio is not the cause of audio problems.
[09:47] <rumpel> good question
[09:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: can we finish this synchronisation of news on the bug please :)
[09:47] <gravityreloaded> right
[09:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: so you have a jaunty system with that bug. What video card, and, are you using it? If so how?
[09:47] <gravityreloaded> I'm trying to get my mike working
[09:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok
[09:48] <gravityreloaded> test call etc
[09:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> video card?
[09:48] <gravityreloaded> 6200
[09:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok then I found a similar bug
[09:49] <gravityreloaded> I can't make double screen because resolution too low on screen (640x480)
[09:49] <gravityreloaded> lol screen from stone age
[09:49] <rumpel> oldschool
[09:49] <gravityreloaded> if same resolution would probably work
[09:49] <gravityreloaded> don't know - it's all I've got to go on
[09:52] <rumpel> hmm... i have evolution in indicator-applet 0.1 of 9.04, does i still need alltray to run evolution comfortably in background?
[09:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Aha. There's something called a "Backtrace" in the Xorg log. Who said I shouldn't be reading bug reporting guidelines...
[09:52] <gravityreloaded> I got sound now but test call feedback sounds incredibly low volume compared to my windows skype
[09:52] <rumpel> I'm too lazy to check it by myself ^^
[09:53] <gravityreloaded> is there a microphone boost somewhere?
[09:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: go to the mixer, configure it to show recording levels (another crazy gnome thing) and make it higher
[09:53] <rumpel> checked right-click menu for audio-control, gravityreloaded ?
[09:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> don't put it at max level or it will distort your voice
[09:54] <gravityreloaded> THANKS to whoever suggested removing pulse - at least I don't get crackle every time I start skype
[09:54] <gravityreloaded> my levels are all at top
[09:54] <gravityreloaded> I need extra mic boost :p
[09:55] <gravityreloaded> rumpel check
[09:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is there a bug on asking polite removal of pulse until it works?
[09:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't want to enter another debate but somebody should...
[09:55] <rumpel> for support i better should switch to english gnome layout ^^
[09:56] <gravityreloaded> that would help hehe
[09:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what's the name of the channel for xorg development in ubuntu?
[09:56] <rumpel> whats the english term for the "janitor" in administration panel, new in 9.04? =8)
[09:56] <gravityreloaded> I removed pulse and things seem normal - my volume sliders are a bit les messy
[09:56] <rumpel> sounds funny in german ^^
[09:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> janitor
[09:56] <rumpel> lol
[09:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in italian too, is it "parent" in german?
[09:57] <gravityreloaded> computer janitor
[09:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> a latin word I guess
[09:57] <gravityreloaded> sounds like our personal butler ^
[09:57] <rumpel> in german its "computer-janitor".... but sounds a lot like from the 70s...
[09:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> that makes me think of adding an old-school demo when it starts up
[09:59] <gravityreloaded> has anyone been successful in making skype calls yet? Or resolving the youtube bug?
[09:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I do make skype calls
[09:59] <gravityreloaded> In youtube I can only see picture when changing to full screen or back again - and then I only see one frame :p
[09:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> After removing pulse and rebooting you have to change all in gnome audio settings to use alsa, and skype to use hw:0 or whatever is yur real card. And you have to guess there
[10:00] <gravityreloaded> my microphone sounds too low...
[10:00] <gravityreloaded> I got sound just with re-log
[10:00] <gravityreloaded> but too quiet
[10:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: did you find your recording volume in gnome mixer?
[10:01] <gravityreloaded> Le-Chuck_ITA: I did
[10:01] <gravityreloaded> Le-Chuck_ITA: and all is on max
[10:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> try to enable all controls and see if there is a mic boost
[10:02] <gravityreloaded> right- yes there is - just like in windows hehe
[10:03] <badfish69> anybody with an audigy tried out jaunty yet?
[10:03] <badfish69> i remember the fix in hardy was real dirty
[10:04] <gravityreloaded> Le-Chuck_ITA: incredibly quiet even with boost
[10:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gravityreloaded: then don't know what else to do :)
[10:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah
[10:04] <gravityreloaded> probably the fault of my mike
[10:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is perhaps the cross saying "allow skype to control mixer settings" checked in skype audio settings? if so
[10:04] <gravityreloaded> in windows it sounds quiet when I record
[10:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> your settings are not being considered indeed
[10:05] <gravityreloaded> but windows skype seems to fix it
[10:05] <yoasif> q
[10:05] <gravityreloaded> in google earth my flight sim just sits on the ground :(
[10:06] <gravityreloaded> and can't watch youtube videos
[10:07] <gravityreloaded> does anyone know how to fix those bugs? I understand they are talked about, but I don't have patience to go through encyplopedias of forums to find out
[10:07] <gravityreloaded> maybe someone has an easy answer?
[10:08] <gravityreloaded> I never managed to boot with USB pen-drive either
[10:08] <gravityreloaded> says linux iso is missing
[10:08] <gravityreloaded> :s
[10:19] <gravityreloaded> wood skin looks nice in chatzilla :)
[10:27] <gravityreloaded> rumpel: thanks for fixing my sound bug. Removing pulseaudio definitely seems to be the way forward
[10:28] <gravityreloaded> gotta go now
[10:28] <gravityreloaded> see you tomorrow
[10:28] <rumpel> @ gravityreloaded wasnt my idea ^^
[10:28] <gravityreloaded> oh
[10:28] <gravityreloaded> thought it was
[10:28] <gravityreloaded> anyway alll suggestions were appreciated
[10:28] <rumpel> @ gravityreloaded i just advised to remove it
[10:28] <rumpel> have fun :)
[10:28] <gravityreloaded> ye thanks
[10:28] <gravityreloaded> not fun - work now
[10:28] <gravityreloaded> building a wall
[10:29] <gravityreloaded> ^
[10:34] <Bodsda> !info ed
[10:40] <BUGabundo> we still carry ed? uau
[10:42] <Armageddon> hello
[10:42] <mogul218_> good morning all.....I submitted a bug this weekend on launchpad regarding a "1 blocked update - flashplugin-nonfree-10.0.22.87ubuntu1 (i386) and the bug report was taken down because they claimed that all that was needed to do was run sudo apt-get update to fix it.  Well I have done that before and after reporting the bug and this blocked update still wont' go away....has anyone else come across this?
[10:43] <mogul218_> i'm testing kubuntu jaunty on this machine
[10:44] <Armageddon> i need to update ubuntu 9.04 but i have no access to the internet on the laptop, is there any way to update it without having to connect it ? like download the update in another way ?
[10:44] <chunk_of_app> hey - is it ok to install jaunty? I know it's still RC but will there be any changes before it's released on thursday?
[10:45] <rm```> I installed flash (64-bit) manually by moving libflashplayer.so (downloaded from adobe) to /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins, mogul218_
[10:45] <rm```> it works fine for me
[10:45] <rm```> I don't know about your bug but if you're having problems with the updater, that might be worth trying
[10:45] <Armageddon> chunk_of_app: RC means Release Candidate so there will be some changes but im pretty sure they will consider them in the updates you will preform later :)
[10:46] <chunk_of_app> thanks... I don't want to wait... but I don't want to have to reinstall in two days... *impatient*
[10:47] <Armageddon> well im not pretty sure but i dont think you will have to reinstall
[10:47] <rm```> chunk_of_app: I downloaded one of the daily builds and installed it on my production machine, everything is working really well *fingers crossed*
[10:47] <mogul218_> rm I will try the manual method but i'm more concerned about this blocked update not leaving my update alert screen
[10:47] <Armageddon> cause i already have it installed
[10:47] <BUGabundo> chunk_of_app: why reinstall?
[10:47] <chunk_of_app> didn't know if RC would update to release level
[10:48] <KyleK> i always seem to reinstall ubuntu when theres a rc around, i just install updates the week after
[10:48] <mogul218_> it was suggested that the version i have is a later version than the update manager one and this is why it is blocked in the first place
[10:48] <rm```> it will update
[10:48] <chunk_of_app> :D ok, thanks
[10:48] <rm```> mogul218_: try sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-nonfree
[10:48] <rm```> and reinstall
[10:48] <mogul218_> ok will try that
[10:49] <Armageddon> is there anyway to download updates on a pc that has connection to the internet and then install them on the other which doesnt ?
[10:49] <KyleK> ubuntu bugzilla uses a launchpad account right?
[10:49] <Armageddon> KyleK:  are you talking to me ?
[10:49] <KyleK> anyone here :D
[10:50] <rumpel> !offline | Armageddon
[10:50] <aprilhare> does anyone have a problem where update manager doesn't seem to have a grip on how long it's been since you last updated? mine reckons 8 days ago - but it was today. it puts this ! symbol in the notification area and is generally not particularly useful
[10:50] <Armageddon> thank you rumpel
[10:51] <Armageddon> guys the website asks about the distribution that i have ! what does that means ?
[10:51] <BUGabundo> Armageddon: aptoncd, apt-zip
[10:51] <mogul218> rm that worked tyvm for your help
[10:52] <BUGabundo> KyleK: what's "ubutnu bugzilla" ?
[10:52] <drinkycrow> !bugzilla
[10:52] <aprilhare> BUGabundo: its bugs. zilla. in ubuntu.
[10:52] <BUGabundo> aprilhare: lol
[10:52] <Armageddon> BUGabundo: it says dapper , edgy and a list :/ which one shall i choose
[10:52] <BUGabundo>  !launchpad | KyleK
[10:52] <Armageddon> !APTonCD
[10:52] <rm```> thats good, I guess if its working fine now you can keep using the package instead of installing it manually
[10:52] <rumpel> @ Armageddon "cat /etc/issue" in cosole
[10:52] <rumpel> console
[10:53] <BUGabundo>  !paste | Armageddon
[10:53] <KyleK> KyleK: yes
[10:53] <SandGorgon> anyone using 9.04 as a VM ? what do you use for sound input - pulseaudio or alsa... need it for skype
[10:54] <joaopinto> pulseaudio does not work for skype, at leasr on my RM
[10:54] <joaopinto> I mean, for input
[10:54] <Armageddon> BUGabundo: dude i have no internet on that laptop :/ im on another pc in my university lab and i have no access to that laptop at the moment :/
[10:55] <SandGorgon> joaopinto: do you use alsa ?
[10:55] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: I had it works this cycle! haven't tried in a few weeks
[10:55] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, I select my hw device
[10:56]  * KyleK is going to attempt submitting a bug without reading anything on the launchpad site before hand :D
[10:56] <JMFTheVCI> has the latest intel graphics driver broken compiz & other visual effects? My lappy on boot this morning has no visual effects and tells me that they cannot be enabled
[10:56] <BUGabundo> Armageddon: easiset way? open synaptic choose the pachages you want, generate a GetList, move that to another pc, download the files with the script, import back to synaptic, install the apps
[10:56] <BUGabundo> KyleK: 1st create an accoutn on launchpat
[10:56] <Armageddon> BUGabundo: does the list works on windows ?
[10:57] <BUGabundo> KyleK: then user $ ubuntu-bug PACKAGENAME to submit the bug
[10:57] <BUGabundo> it will do all you want
[10:57] <BUGabundo> Armageddon: it uses wget, so its no easy, but you can copy the URLs to another download manager
[10:58] <Armageddon> BUGabundo: i will try that at the moment i have my laptop next to me, if i need any help ill ask here
[10:59] <mnemo> JMFTheVCI: at least one intel chipset had a serious crash bug while using DRI so DRI was disabled on that chipset which would make compiz stop working
[11:00] <mnemo> JMFTheVCI: what chipset do you have? please run "lspci -nn | grep VGA" and paste output
[11:01] <KyleK> BUGabundo: i'm not sure what package to attach it to netbooting the installer
[11:01] <Armageddon> BUGabundo: still there ? ubuntu is up and running whats next ?
[11:01] <BUGabundo> KyleK: netbooting???
[11:01] <henry-nicolas> Hello everybody, I would like to use the new PA mixer default with gnome 2.26 but I did just found that link : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/322909
[11:01] <henry-nicolas> So, there is definitively no way to get the new mixer ? I found this should be an option...
[11:02] <BUGabundo> Armageddon: open synaptic choose the pachages you want, generate a GetList, move that to another pc, download the files with the script, import back to synaptic, install the apps
[11:02] <KyleK> BUGabundo: instead of booting the installer with a installer cd I used gPXE
[11:02] <Armageddon> BUGabundo: but the packages are not updates !
[11:03] <KyleK> Armageddon: yea they are
[11:03] <Armageddon> ok :/
[11:03] <BUGabundo> Armageddon: I never said updates... I said apps!
[11:04] <BUGabundo> KyleK: I don't know! maybe ubiquity
[11:07] <mogul218> Armageddon check this page out to see if a there is a method for you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades
[11:07] <Armageddon> thanks mogul218
[11:10] <JMFTheVCI> mnemo: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03)
[11:10] <JMFTheVCI> [I just had to reboot]
[11:13] <JMFTheVCI> mnemo: I am running with the intel driver.
[11:13] <mnemo> JMFTheVCI: and what is "glxinfo | grep direct" saying?
[11:14] <JMFTheVCI> mnemo: direct rendering : yes
[11:14] <mnemo> ah so then DRI is not disabled on your chipset
[11:15] <Bodsda> !info wordnet
[11:15] <JMFTheVCI> I have had my external VGA port on the go and using "display" to change the screens said that it changed my xorg config. WOuld that have killed compiz etc
[11:16] <mnemo> JMFTheVCI: do you use dual monitors?
[11:16] <KyleK> !info dig
[11:17] <JMFTheVCI> No, I use the lappy display and then occaionaly use an external
[11:17] <mnemo> JMFTheVCI: I looked around in the bug reports and I can't find any issues exactly like yours... try asking in #ubuntu-x and/or file a bug report using the command "ubuntu-bug xorg"
[11:20]  * aprilhare tends to say connecting monitors via vga is so 20th century.
[11:20] <aprilhare> does anyone have a problem where update manager doesn't seem to have a grip on how long it's been since you last updated? mine reckons 8 days ago - but it was today. it puts this ! symbol in the notification area and is generally not particularly useful
[11:21] <KyleK> aprilhare: vga initializes faster after plugging it in/rebooting :)
[11:21] <aprilhare> KyleK: hmmmm not so sure about that
[11:22] <JMFTheVCI> mnemo: It was a widescreen external monitor. it took a lot of giggling with the "display" tool to get both screens to look correct and it asked me to logoff several times. When I went back to just the lappy screen. Compiz was dead. Visual effects back to none.
[11:22] <aprilhare> if there is a difference it would be milliseconds
[11:22] <aprilhare> and i've found that dvi allows me to see momentarily displayed information more rapidly
[11:23] <nilfilter> howdy
[11:23] <aprilhare> hell o
[11:26] <nilfilter> 2.6.29.1: Any idea why the broadcom wl module *only* connects if loaded manually (i.e. insmod wl.ko)? If copied to /lib/modules/2.6.29.1/extra, for instance, and doing a depmod -a, no connection possible due to encryption issues.
[11:27] <nilfilter> BTW, I patched and compiled the broadcom sta driver myself.
[11:28] <drbobb> Hello, all those suffering due to regressions in graphics hardware support might be interested: apparently, the last Xorg version that my graphics card worked decently with was the one in Hardy. Now I've found that I can (sort-of) painlessly downgrade Xorg to the Hardy version, and enjoy a flicker-free display once again.
[11:28] <drbobb> The downside: the downgrade breaks the keyboard mapping ;-(
[11:29] <drbobb> I would really appreciate some help from anyone with a slight understanding of the outrageously baroque process of keyboard configuration in Linux/X11
[11:29] <Armageddon> oh btw, in the ubuntu 64bit i had a problem when using the shutdown button under the account name, it used to restart the pc and doesnt shut it down
[11:30] <Armageddon> so now im using the terminal to shutdown
[11:30] <JMFTheVCI> big submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/364544
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[11:31] <drbobb> Please, if anyone feels (s)he can help, PM me, I'll get back to you soon
[11:33] <Armageddon> JMFTheVCI: i was asking if it was a known bug or not thats all :/
[11:33] <dooglus> my PC just froze for a few minutes while update-apt-xapian-index ran
[11:34] <dooglus> it happens occasionally.
[11:34] <JMFTheVCI> armageddon: not sure. I don;t think so. But there are a lot of intel bugs with external monitoris
[11:34] <dooglus> how can I view the results of that job?  the README isn't clean
[11:34] <Armageddon> JMFTheVCI: its AMD
[11:35] <dooglus> /var/lib/apt-xapian-index/README says "To query the database, open it as ``/var/lib/apt-xapian-index/index``." - but open it in which application?
[11:36] <dooglus> /var/lib/apt-xapian-index/index contains the single line "flint /var/lib/apt-xapian-index/index.2" but I don't have any program called 'flint', and neither do the repos, as far as I can tell
[11:37] <Armageddon> JMFTheVCI: whats the package ? :/
[11:37] <JMFTheVCI> xorg?
[11:38] <JMFTheVCI> intel driver?
[11:38] <JMFTheVCI> not certain.
[11:38] <Armageddon> well me neither :/
[11:38] <Armageddon> whats xorg ?
[11:39] <JMFTheVCI> xorg - X11 - runs the screen basics - resoultion/refresh rates etc
[11:40] <Armageddon> oh ok thanks but i dont think its xorg
[11:40] <Armageddon> JMFTheVCI:  can i activate my ATI/AMD driver without having internet on the pc where ubuntu is installed ?
[11:41] <JMFTheVCI> why would a driver or graphics need an internet connection?
[11:43] <Armageddon> it says the driver needs to be activated i try to activate it but it doesnt work it asks for internet connection :/
[11:44] <Armageddon> actually i just tried it, it crashes with an error, i mean an error window with nothing written in it just a close
[11:46] <TarBar> Are there any main differences between ubuntu 8 and 9?
[11:47] <aprilhare> TarBar: yes. one is labelled 8, the other is labelled 9. and ext4. and everything else listed on ubuntu.com
[11:47] <TarBar> hmmmm
[11:47] <TarBar> Well I just took the lazy approach, I might do some reading
[11:47] <TarBar> Oh and ext4 sounds evil.
[11:48] <aprilhare> tis not evil, is filesystem
[11:48] <aprilhare> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[11:48] <TarBar> LIES!
[11:48] <TarBar> Lol
[11:48] <TarBar> thanks for the link.
[11:48] <aprilhare> truthteller be i
[11:48] <aprilhare> ready on April 23rd, 2009
[11:49] <TarBar> :)
[11:49] <aprilhare> so two more days roughly (in .au)
[11:49] <TarBar> How the hell did you know I was from au
[11:49] <TarBar> :O!
[11:50] <TarBar> Or are you talking about Au time..
[11:50] <aprilhare> my irc-fu is unquestioned
[11:50] <TarBar> IC
[11:50] <aprilhare> and talking about .au time
[11:50] <TarBar> oh
[11:50] <TarBar> k
[11:50] <TarBar> So ubuntu currently uses ext3?
[11:50] <aprilhare> aye
[11:51] <aprilhare> or ext2 i suppose
[11:51] <TarBar> hmm
[11:51] <aprilhare> depends on how much you like journalling
[11:51]  * TarBar hopes the upgrade it easy and not dangerous.
[11:51]  * aprilhare checks and discovers he indeed uses ext3
[11:52] <aprilhare> the upgrade is not dangerous. still, check by booting a jaunty cd
[11:52] <aprilhare> can't be too careful
[11:53] <TarBar> Check what?
[11:53] <TarBar> the filesystem?
[11:53] <TarBar> o.o
[11:56] <drbobb> Hello, all those suffering due to regressions in graphics hardware support might be interested: apparently, the last Xorg version that my graphics card worked decently with was the one in Hardy. Now I've found that I can (sort-of) painlessly downgrade Xorg to the Hardy version, and enjoy a flicker-free display once again.
[11:56] <drbobb> The downside: the downgrade breaks the keyboard mapping ;-(
[11:57] <drbobb> I would really appreciate some help from anyone with a slight understanding of the outrageously baroque process of keyboard configuration in Linux/X11
[12:00] <topyli> drbobb: you might have better success with that if you asked a question :)
[12:02] <topyli> iirc x doesn't handle keyboards anymore, it's all moved to evdev
[12:03] <Flynsarmy> Is the archive manager FINALLY going to let you drag files out of it into folders in 'list view' mode in jaunty?
[12:03] <Flynsarmy> File Roller
[12:03] <drbobb> topyli: pretty obvious, isn't it - I need help on how to start debugging the kbd mapping breakage
[12:05] <topyli> umm didn't file-roller always let you drag stuff out?. as for list mode, it's still broken
[12:09] <aprilhare> is it wise to upgrade to ext4 now or should we wait a while longer?
[12:10] <peace> i am on ext4 since alpha 4 release
[12:11] <drinkycrow> i've been told it's ok for root, but to keep user accounts on ext3
[12:11] <drinkycrow> something about possible data loss and whatnot
[12:11] <peace> have you some important stuff?
[12:11] <peace> save in a externeal disk
[12:12] <peace> like i did
[12:15] <joaopinto> aprilhare, it is safe to use ext4, there have been some issues with files being truncated during system crashes, some patches were applied to minimize that
[12:18] <Salac> hey/c
[12:18] <TychoQuad> my usb modem won't work unless it's connected when the system is turned on. from what i've read, it's a bug with the latest kernel. i still have my ibex kernel installed on this machine, will i encounter any problems running that one instead?
[12:19] <void^> i've been on ext4 since some alpha release without problems, but i haven't had any crashes either
[12:19] <peace> me too void
[12:19] <Assurbanipal> hi guys, i have kubuntu 9,4 installed and face a lot of problems with my desktop. window management gets crazy, my mouse is almos unusuable. is there anybody that has a clue what the problem might be?
[12:20] <peace> bad video driver?
[12:20] <SandGorgon> Assurbanipal: i'm having problems with mouse as well.
[12:20] <SandGorgon> Fiddle with the mouse advanced-settings and try to see if that mitigates the problems
[12:23] <Assurbanipal> is this because of the mouse or is it a kde problem?
[12:25] <Assurbanipal> i have tried mosth things i could think of, switch to a usb mouse after removing the ps2 mouse i normaly have,remove close drivers...change windows management settings...nothing seems to solve the problem
[12:29] <peace> Assurbanipal: i think is hardware problem \ kernel
[12:29] <peace> here kde4 works great
[12:29] <Assurbanipal> do u think if i switch to older kernel it will be ok??
[12:30] <Assurbanipal> it seems not even keyboard shortcuts work ok...
[12:31] <Assurbanipal> i think it is a window management problem...since windows do not respond to keyboard too
[12:33] <Noqq> I'm about to make a swap file, using this guide: http://www.linux.com/feature/113956    Nut I do not get the part to go into the root mode. I need to type something like; su -, then the guide tells me to enter password, but I do not get prompted to enter my password
[12:33] <SandGorgon> Assurbanipal: i dont think it is a kernel issue - it is a kde defaults issue. I use KDE on a VM and I can see the difference in KDE vs gnome
[12:33] <Assurbanipal> so,how could i solve this crazy problem???it has turned my system unusable!!!
[12:33] <Assurbanipal> and all of a sudden!
[12:38] <Assurbanipal> anyone could suggest anything?
[12:39] <SandGorgon> Assurbanipal: try deleting your ~/.kde4 directory (you will lose all settings) and see
[12:40] <peace> SandGorgon: instead of deleteing just rename
[12:41] <Assurbanipal> i am now goint to try with the previous kernel and i ll tell you the results..
[12:41] <drbobb> hello can anyone help me solve this issue: Hardy's Xorg + Jaunty's kernel = broken keyboard mapping, AltGr emits KP_Enter, stuff like that
[12:42] <TychoQuadver2> I need some help with my usb 3g modem. under Ibex, i could connect the thing to the computer at any time and the computer would instantly see it and allow me to connect with it using the network manager. However, under jaunty it will only be seen if i have it connected while booting the computer, and will be lost if i disconnect it until restart. I thought it was a kernel bug, but i started the computer with ibex's kernel
[12:42] <TychoQuadver2> and it still didn't work as intended
[12:42] <SandGorgon> drbobb: AFAIK jaunty was patched to use a newer Xorg - I'd suggest a clean install
[12:43] <Assurbanipal> i am on older kernel now and seems to work ok...is this helping to address the problem?
[12:43] <drbobb> SandGorgon: if you wonder why I want to use such a combo, see above
[12:44] <drbobb> In short, my vga will not work correctly with Jaunty's Xorg
[12:44] <drbobb> plz PM me if any hints, will be back shortly
[12:50] <Noqq> do you always need to type sudo firest?
[12:57] <Noqq> I'm trying to edit the /etc/stab, but I do not have the permission to save it. What now?
[12:58] <Noqq> I mean, /etc/fstab
[12:58] <Peace-> sudo
[12:58] <Peace-> use sudo
[12:58] <Peace-> or gksudo , or kdesudo
[12:58] <Noqq> Peace-: Where do I place sudo? I'm in text editor now, just want to save it. (over the original)
[12:58] <Peace-> close you text editor
[12:58] <Peace-> have you ubuntu or kubuntu
[12:58] <|ns|nR8> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[12:59] <Peace-> no
[12:59] <Peace-> gksudo
[12:59] <Noqq> Peace-: Why 'gk'?
[12:59] <Peace-> sudo is not suited for graphical application
[12:59] <zash_> or install the nautilus-sudo thingy
[12:59] <Noqq> Peace-: Ubuntu
[12:59] <zash_> nautilus-gksu
[12:59] <Peace-> Noqq: becasue you can have problem with sudo
[12:59] <Peace-> with gksudo gedit you can go safetly
[13:00] <Peace-> to edit your stuff
[13:00] <Peace-> there a lots of topic about this issue
[13:00] <Peace-> !gksudo
[13:01] <Noqq> Peace-: I'm in, thanks. Just gotta add the /extraswap line now and I'm done. Then I can go and find out how to get wireless internet. :)
[13:01] <Peace-> xD
[13:04] <Noqq> Wasn't there a document on getting wireless internet on ubuntu on the official website? :\
[13:06] <Peace-> !wifi
[13:06] <Peace-> !wifi | nomego
[13:06] <Peace-> sorry
[13:06] <bigjocker> oes anyone knows why the update-manager applet is not showing updates in jaunty?
[13:06] <Peace-> bad tab
[13:06] <bigjocker> does*
[13:07] <bigjocker> if i execut aptitude full-upgrade on the console it shows a plethora of updates
[13:07] <bigjocker> hmm
[13:07] <bigjocker> execute*
[13:11] <drinkycrow> #ubuntu-vn ?
[13:12] <drinkycrow> oops
[13:12] <drinkycrow> wrong chan
[13:18] <drinkycrow> will there ever be an ubuntu release where midi just works?
[13:18] <Peace-> here works
[13:18] <drinkycrow> prboom music will just come out
[13:20] <BigMoopies> any idea when we will see jaunty on shipit ?
[13:21] <BigMoopies> after the download release ?
[13:21] <drinkycrow> i think it's time for me to go to bed
[13:21] <drinkycrow> i misread 'shipit'
[13:23] <BigMoopies> :-\
[13:24] <eagles0513875> has anything changed between the last beta nad rc
[13:33] <TychoQuadver2> I need some help with my usb 3g modem. under Ibex, i could connect the thing to the computer at any time and the computer would instantly see it and allow me to connect with it using the network manager. However, under jaunty it will only be seen if i have it connected while booting the computer, and will be lost if i disconnect it until restart. I thought it was a kernel bug, but i started the computer with ibex's kernel
[13:33] <TychoQuadver2> and it still didn't work as intended
[13:35] <shashi__> Can we download now itself the coming 9.04 version on 23rd ? .
[13:36] <shashi__> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20090421.2/ . Is this image is the golden image of 9.04 ?
[13:36] <Pitel> facepalm
[13:36] <TychoQuadver2> 9.04 isn't gold yet
[13:36] <TychoQuadver2> 24'th of april
[13:38] <PROject-Emerald> Is Jaunty a lot different than Hardy?
[13:39] <TychoQuadver2> i suggest you read one of the many reviews littering the internets
[13:41] <Megarain> Okay, I can't seem to remember if my build is RC or beta, easy way to check?
[13:41] <Megarain> And if so, is there a way for me to update?
[13:41] <mrwes> Is Brasero more reliable now in gnome 2.26?
[13:43] <Peace-> brasero sucks as always
[13:43] <Megarain> Eh, I've has mixed results.
[13:45] <mrwes> hrmm...bitch having to install all those KDE libs just to run K3b
[13:46] <mrwes> although growisofs works nice from the terminal
[13:47] <Megarain> If I was using the beta would it auto udate to the RC?
[13:47] <Pici> !final
[13:48] <Megarain> I keep updated. I need to know a way to confirm. You know, thurough testing and all?
[13:48] <mrwes> lsb_release -rd
[13:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:50] <Megarain> mrwes: Only giving me that its 9.04. Nothing about rc, beta, etc.
[13:50] <mrwes> don't think it will
[13:50] <mrwes> nor will uname -a
[13:51] <Pici> Megarain: The idea of an RC/beta/alpha is just a snapshot of the archive at a moment in time, it doesn't have any other meaning or discernable differences from a daily release besides when the snapshot was taken.
[13:51] <Noqq1> How do you enter "update-manger -d" in jaunty? Can't get to it trough alt+f2. Tells me there is no such file.
[13:52] <steveccc> does anyone know if the date of release for 9.04 has shifted or is it still thurs
[13:52] <Pici> Its still the 23rd.
[13:52] <mrwes> sudo update-manager -d
[13:52] <mrwes> you need r00t perms to run that
[13:53] <steveccc> has anyone done any tests of ext3 vs ext4 - is there much of a difference with regard to performance?
[13:54] <Megarain> Informal info on my hand sees faster boot, seek, and write time.
[13:54] <kklimonda> steveccc: for example: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_benchmarks&num=1
[13:57] <steveccc> kklimonda: thanks for the link - it looks impressive - its just whether you trust it or not I guess (with regards to data corruption etc
[14:00] <steveccc> how many people here will be migrating all o their data disks onto ext4 or are you all holding back until its been established for a while?
[14:02] <kklimonda> steveccc: well - a lot of people has migrated to ext4 already and there are no known bugs in vanilla kernel.. but there is one ugly bug in ubuntu though 330824 - I couldn't reproduce it here but it's a problem for some people.
[14:02] <kklimonda> oh well - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/330824
[14:02] <kklimonda> stupid ubottu :P
[14:05] <topyli> i've been hit by that bug a few times when doing upgrades. not lately though i think
[14:07] <shadeslayer> steveccc: have my data on fat32 all my linux on ext4
[14:08] <shadeslayer> btw anyone try out koffice?
[14:08] <steveccc> shadeslayer: i presume on fat32 because of dual booting is it
[14:08] <Gullstad> Is Ubuntu Januty going to be launched without a fix for compiz (worst case scenario)?
[14:09] <shadeslayer> steveccc: plan on doing that later,right now i only have ubuntu on my hd,though i created a partition for windows,which ill use for playing crysis and such
[14:09] <kklimonda> Gullstad: do you have LP link for this bug?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Gullstad , I think they're working on it , altho it's not a real serious prob in my case , but some ppl have reported total freezes and lockups while running compiz
[14:10] <Gullstad> Sec. I think I read about it in the forums. It's basicly blacklisting alot of videocard due to unstable preformance, and crashes.
[14:11] <Gullstad> Yeah, here to. My card got blacklisted, and now I'm using metacity.
[14:11] <Gullstad> Not the same "feel" to it :P
[14:11] <BluesKaj> which card Gullstad ?
[14:11] <Gullstad> BluesKaj: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Gullstad, oh the intel chip problem. You're lucky to have any graphics at all from the reports I've seen
[14:13] <Gullstad> Wasnt't the problem with compiz?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> not necessarily . resolution and X probs
[14:14] <Gullstad> Oh-shit. I noticed that X had been unstable, but it got worse starting BETA. Then it got better in RC, could stay on for hours, but then it crashed without notice.
[14:15] <Gullstad> Haven had a problem since my card got blacklisted, and I'm beeing set to use metacity
[14:15] <dns53> i've got a problem with my x and a nvidia card, sometimes during boot the laptop keyboard and touch pad do not work, if i connect a usb device it works fine
[14:15] <Gullstad> Bad timing - two days to go :P
[14:15] <dns53> it only appears to happen when i have a dvd in the drive
[14:17] <shadeslayer> this might seem dumb but i have a sim card slot at the back,can i access the phonebook using it? its behind the battery
[14:18] <Gullstad> It's probly just for 3G connection?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Gullstad: i think so
[14:19] <shadeslayer> so i cant?
[14:19] <minimec> Hi. I have random system freeces testing jackalope in daily use. I guess it's a compiz thing, but I am not sure. It could also be a combination of compiz with gnome-do in 'docky' mode. My GPU is an old raden 9600 (RV350) and the opensource ati driver.
[14:19] <Gullstad> I don't think so, but I don't have any experience
[14:19] <minimec> Did anyone of you have some similar problems?
[14:20] <Gullstad> minimec: It's a BIG known problem. They are working hard on it. As I understand it's X and compiz that is unstable
[14:20] <Gullstad> I have the same problem, but I disabeled compiz.
[14:20] <Gullstad> running metacity it's stable.
[14:21] <shadeslayer> compiz runs fine here,nvidia card
[14:21] <Gullstad> It's an intel-chipset thing, as far as BluesKaj explained.
[14:21] <dns53> shadeslayer you should theoretically be able to but you need more knowledge than i have
[14:22] <minimec> Gullstad: THX for the info. Did you hear about bluetooth problems also? I can't access my files on my SonyEricsson W310. It works with USB...
[14:22] <Gullstad> minimec: The bundeled bluetooth-application shipped with ubuntu is very limited.
[14:22] <shadeslayer> dns53: hehe,well i was being hypothetical,now since i know it can be done,ill look around google for answers
[14:23] <ljuwaidah> woohoo!
[14:23] <dns53> shadeslayer cool, i was about to suggest you ask openmoko os somewhere similar where they work with gsm devices
[14:23] <ljuwaidah> 329 people waiting for 9.04 and it's still 2 days away!
[14:23] <Pici> !party
[14:23] <ljuwaidah> oh!
[14:24] <ljuwaidah> only 8 people? :(
[14:24] <minimec> Gullstad: I am rather pleased with the 8.04 and 8.10 bluetooth solutions. Works like charm with my bluetooth devices. Thx again for the info ;)
[14:24] <shadeslayer> ljuwaidah: 7 excluding you :O
[14:25] <ljuwaidah> shadeslayer: umm... yeah! thanks fro doing the math!
[14:25] <ljuwaidah> great! now it's 6
[14:25] <shadeslayer> heh,i failed in maths this sem
[14:25] <ljuwaidah> it really is counting down, ROFL
[14:26] <minimec> Gullstad: ... well I have to agree that I have to twaek the bluetooth.conf for my Logitech Di Novo ... :)
[14:26] <ljuwaidah> minimec: it's a pain in the ass (are we allowed to use that word here?) to get the stereo headphones working
[14:26] <ljuwaidah> well
[14:26] <ljuwaidah> it's easy to get them working, actually, it's just annoying having to use pulseaudio's controls to switch to it
[14:27] <tinjaw> I am having problem with nvidia driver and Jaunty RC
[14:27] <tinjaw> It was working, then I did a fresh install and now it won't work.
[14:27] <shadeslayer> wont work?
[14:28] <tinjaw> Seeing lots of traffic on forums, etc. about same problem.
[14:28] <tinjaw> Seems xorg may be foobar in latest update
[14:28] <atari> hi
[14:28] <tinjaw> yes, getting EE no device found
[14:28] <tinjaw> using nv driver works
[14:28] <tinjaw> but nvidia 173 or 180 give problem
[14:28] <ljuwaidah> I remember it was pretty exciting waiting for 8.10's release.. I hope it'll be as fun this time too, see you guys @ #ubuntu-release-party
[14:28] <ljuwaidah> later
[14:28] <ljuwaidah> GB
[14:29] <drinkycrow> i found a bug in the netbook remix
[14:29] <tinjaw> think there is a conflict with something that was recently updated
[14:29] <shadeslayer> !bug> drinkycrow
[14:29] <minimec> ljuwaidah: How is the sound quality on these headphones? I was thinking about buying a SonyEricsson c702 with stereo bluetooth.
[14:30] <tinjaw> I did an install of 9.04 beta about 2/3 weeks ago and all was working fine.
[14:31] <tinjaw> When you do a fresh install of 9.04, does it immediately go out and update?
[14:31] <tinjaw> I don't think so, but just checking.
[14:31] <thiebaude> !jaunty
[14:32] <canen> moring all
[14:32] <tinjaw> How do I go about troubleshooting this issue?
[14:33] <Gullstad> minimec: I ment in the sence of filebrowing cellphones :)
[14:33] <thiebaude> hi canen
[14:33] <tinjaw> I have working system with nv driver.
[14:33] <tinjaw> All I need to is install nvidia 173 or 180 and breaks.
[14:33] <canen> i can't seem to get kopete to obey my minimum font size settings in the chat display
[14:33] <tinjaw> Can "fix" with sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia* and reboot
[14:33] <canen> this has been an issue for a while
[14:33] <canen> seems to stuck at 10px
[14:33] <canen> anyone seeing this?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> sure,if i knew how to help i would have gladly helped
[14:37] <minimec> Gullstad: But in general I have to say that I like jackalope I think... I think they use some new drivers for my wlan stick too. Connection looks more stable...
[14:37] <bigjocker> tinjaw, do you install those drivers using the hardware drivers gui or using aptitude?
[14:38] <tinjaw> bigjocker: former
[14:38] <tinjaw> clarification
[14:39] <tinjaw> I initially installed using hardware drives gui
[14:39] <tinjaw> but after initial install and rollback, that is no longer an option
[14:39] <tinjaw> I then use the synaptic package manager on subsequent (re)installs
[14:40] <bigjocker> tinjaw, what's the problem you experience after installing the driver? what card model do you have?
[14:40] <tinjaw> after rollback, the hardware drives gui reports "no proprietary drivers are in use on this system."
[14:40] <tinjaw> I have dual 8800GTs
[14:40] <tinjaw> reboot stays in console
[14:41] <tinjaw> xorg log shows EE no device found
[14:45] <tinjaw> I don't *think* this is an nvidia problem per se. I see similar talk around the web about ATI driver as well
[14:45] <tinjaw> I think this is an xorg thing
[14:48] <Shappie__> Hello, is there a way s
[14:48] <Shappie__> to disable RandR in kubuntu 9.04?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> trying to edit xorg.conf results in a lot of probs with X finding the HW due to it's severe dependence on HAL , so adding or deleting anything in xorg can break the system ...it's a real PITA IMO
[14:50] <tinjaw> I need to go off to a meeting. Will revisit this nvidia driver issue when I return.
[14:51] <thiebaude> BluesKaj: does X freeze?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> X won't recover in some cases so you end up at the TTY prompt or worsw
[14:53] <Shappie__> You can alwast revert to default xorg right?
[14:53] <Shappie__> If you first backup it...
[14:54] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, xorg resorts to generic graphics drivers in some cases , especially intel
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Shappie__ , yes
[14:58] <amikrop> mvo: Hello there. Any news from the "activate nVidia Hardware Drivers" bug?
[14:59] <cwillu> amikrop, most up to date information will be on the bug report
[14:59] <cwillu> oops, you named somebody specific, nvm :p
[14:59]  * cwillu pokes mvo with a stick
[15:00] <amikrop> cwillu: Oh, ok. I haven't seen any information on the bug report.
[15:01] <cwillu> amikrop, if you know the person who's responsible for it, my usual rebuke isn't relevant :p
[15:02] <amikrop> cwillu: ;-) :P
[15:02] <thiebaude> cwillu lol
[15:03] <mvo> amikrop: could you please attach the /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log from the upgrade? that is useful to figure why the nvidia driver was not upgraded properly. as for the jockey problem, that is more a question for pitti
[15:04] <amikrop> mvo: I have done so ;)
[15:04] <Gullstad> minimec: I'm gonna be happy when I can use compix without freezing my computer again :P
[15:04] <Gullstad> minimec: Kinda deppendent on the AWN dock :P
[15:04] <deany> with an empty xorg.conf how can I check which driver my card is using (its a radeon)
[15:05] <cwillu> deany, /var/log/xorg.0.log will tell you, although it'll be the ati driver by default
[15:05] <amikrop> mvo: Isn't that http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25786476/main.log it?
[15:05] <cwillu> deany, "ati" is equivalent to "radeon"
[15:06] <deany> is radeon the opesource "accelerated" driver or just a generic 2D make-do driver?
[15:06] <mvo> amikrop: sorry, my bad, I looked at a outdated page
[15:07] <Shappie__> deany: radeon got 3D support for all cards except the HDxxxx cards
[15:07] <Shappie__> what ATi card you have?
[15:07] <deany> 256mb mobility 9800
[15:07] <Shappie__> Ok than you should have 3D support with the radeon opensource driver ;)
[15:07] <deany> good enough to play doom3/Q4 , but mostly only UT2004
[15:07] <amikrop> mvo: never mind :)
[15:08] <Shappie__> I dont know how good the 3D support is. But its enough for compiz effects as far as i know...
[15:08] <minimec> Gullstad: I use e17 in general. So I don't mind. But gnome-do starts to be quiet interesting, as you can also use it without compiz and the docky mode (compiz only) is AWN-like
[15:08] <deany> hmm.. what about options to tweak it, like vsync, as there is no app like there is with the ATI catalysts
[15:08] <mvo> amikrop: could you please add /var/log/dist-upgrade/xorg_fix_intrepid.log" ?
[15:09] <mvo> amikrop: the main.log looks alright
[15:10] <BluesKaj> mvo , "my bad " is ghetto english, it's not cool here , even tho want to be so
[15:11] <deany> got my daily iso on usb ready to go full on jaunty in a minute:)
[15:11] <Gullstad> minimec: I hate gnome-do's dockymode :P
[15:11] <amikrop> mvo: done
[15:11] <Gullstad> But gnome-do is GREAT
[15:12] <minimec> Gullstad: Ok... i give AWN a chance ;)
[15:12] <mvo> BluesKaj: oh? sorry for that
[15:13] <BluesKaj> mvo, no problem :)
[15:14]  * mvo will use mea cupla instead from now on
[15:15]  * drbobb suggests mea CULPA instead
[15:16] <mvo> amikrop: thanks, this file looks ok as well :) is the nvidia-glx-173 driver still installed?
[15:16] <drbobb> btw my bad used to be hippie before it was ghetto iirc (oh how OT can one get)
[15:17] <mvo> amikrop: and what does /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dist-upgrade-200904192251 contain ? still driver "nvidia" ?
[15:18] <amikrop> mvo: It's installed, yes.
[15:20] <amikrop> mvo: http://dpaste.com/36247/
[15:21] <lifi> anyone with working fglrx and dual-head conf? i wounder if jaunty is still unusable with fglrx...
[15:22] <mvo> amikrop: thanks, that looks all ok, it seems like the upgrade did not misconfigure your system. could you try to boot with that config and attach the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file please?
[15:22] <mvo> lifi: it depends on your card, fglrx support for r500 chips got removed, its now r6xx, r7xx. but the free ati driver is pretty good with r5xx these days
[15:24] <amikrop> mvo: Boot with what config? Do the "fake activation" procedure and then reboot?
[15:24] <lifi> mvo, i got a r6xx card... fglrx is working, but randr is still broken... so that means dual-head is useless and compiz is buggy (window maximize)
[15:25] <Roy_M> Hi, just testing out jaunty now. Is there any way to use fdisk to partition my hdd rather than the gui provided?
[15:25] <mvo> amikrop: just make sure that "driver "nvidia" is set in the xorg.conf - this will most likely not work, but it will hopefully produce a Xorg.0.log that gives a clue what is wrong
[15:26] <mvo> amikrop: the pci id is listed as supported in the nvidia-glx-173 fwiw
[15:27] <amikrop> mvo: You ask me to try to activate the 173 driver, then reboot, and then paste Xorg.0.log, right?
[15:29] <amikrop> mvo: By the way, this is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://dpaste.com/36251/
[15:30] <amikrop> mvo: As you can see, my current /etc/X11/xorg.conf says nothing about nvidia.
[15:30] <mvo> amikrop: yes, please activate 173 and check in xorg.conf if the nvidia driver then is in the xorg.conf
[15:31] <drbobb> hello can anyone help me solve this issue: Hardy's Xorg + Jaunty's kernel = broken keyboard mapping, AltGr emits KP_Enter, stuff like that
[15:31] <amikrop> mvo: Before, or after a reboot?
[15:31] <mvo> amikrop: if it is, please reboot and check if the Xorg.0.log contians information about nvidia and attach that please
[15:31] <amikrop> ok
[15:31] <drbobb> all those suffering due to regressions in graphics hardware support might be interested: apparently, the last Xorg version that my graphics card worked decently with was the one in Hardy. Now I've found that I can (sort-of) painlessly downgrade Xorg to the Hardy version, and enjoy a flicker-free display once again.
[15:31] <drbobb> The downside: the downgrade breaks the keyboard mapping ;-(
[15:31] <mvo> amikrop: please check for the driver before the reboot, without the driver "nvidia" in the xorg.conf xorg will just use "nv"
[15:31] <drbobb> I would really appreciate some help from anyone with a slight understanding of the outrageously baroque process of keyboard configuration in Linux/X11
[15:33] <amikrop> mvo: OK, this is my xorg.conf after the unsuccessful activation of 173: http://dpaste.com/36253/
[15:33] <amikrop> mvo: It contains nvidia, so I reboot
[15:33] <amikrop> and I paste Xorg.0.log
[15:33] <yml> I am getting some hard time to get the sound working on my new laptop hp dv6-1030ef
[15:34] <yml> I am using this issue to track my progress
[15:34] <amikrop> mvo: rebooting...
[15:34] <yml> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/363870
[15:36] <yml> I have also built a report with the script from the alsa people if that can help someone : http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=833c8db84403c34e6384e3fed8c32021afd6a860
[15:38] <amikrop> mvo: OK, rebooted in low-graphics mode. This is my Xorg.0.log http://dpaste.com/36255/
[15:39] <Gullstad> minimec: You bastard! If I can't use AWN, you can't either!! :P
[15:39] <mvo> amikrop: thanks, please attach this file to the bugreport
[15:39] <mvo> amikrop: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[15:39] <amikrop> mvo: OK :S
[15:46] <mvo> amikrop: so it seems the problem is that you boot with 2.6.27-7 instead of 2.6.28
[15:47] <amikrop> mvo: The truth is that I kept all of my old configuration files (even menu.lst) during the upgrade.
[15:48] <amikrop> mvo: (btw, I added Xorg.0.log to the bug report)
[15:48] <amikrop> mvo: So, should I change my menu.lst or something, and then reboot?
[15:50] <mvo> amikrop: booting with 2.6.28 will fix the problem
[15:51] <minimec> amikrop: "##default num" should have value 'default   0' to boot the newest kernel in your menu.lst you can also type 'ESC' when grub starts
[15:52] <jamalfanaian> Hi, I'm having an issue.. I just did an update and changed some configs with amdcccle and can't get it to work :(
[15:52] <jamalfanaian> every time the login screen comes it is just a distorted version of the boot screen and i see no login screen
[15:53] <amikrop> mvo: OK. Thank you very much for everything. :-)
[15:53] <jamalfanaian> i've tried to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in recovery mode but it didn't fix it :\
[15:53] <amikrop> minimec: Alright, I manually edited menu.lst ;)
[15:56] <minimec> jamalfanaian: Ok. You tried to use the fglrx driver and now reconfigured the xserve-xorg with dpkg-reconfigure. I think, you are almost dine. Try 'sudo aticonfig --initial now'.
[15:57] <minimec> jamalfanaian: then reboot...
[15:58] <jamalfanaian> minimec: Ok let me try that, I'm waiting for it to finish a forced disk check and I should be able to get it in recovery mode and try that, thanks :)
[15:58] <Laibsch> Can somebody please recreate http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-rc-alternate-i386.jigdo
[15:58] <Laibsch> ?
[15:58] <Laibsch> There are about 150+ files in that jigdo which cannot be downloaded anymore because they have been superseeded
[16:02] <jamalfanaian> minimec: THANK YOU!!! That solved the problem! :D
[16:02] <minimec> jamalfanaian: No problem.
[16:02] <amikrop> mvo: It worked, thanks a lot :-)
[16:03] <mvo> amikrop: please put that in the bugreport as well, maybe jockey should warn about this
[16:04] <amikrop> mvo: done so ;)
[16:18] <weltall2> does anyone know when the dual separate x screen bug will be fixed?
[16:19] <weltall2> (everything opened on the second xscreen is opened in the first one)
[16:32] <dragger> Hello, my pc wont login after i type password and username
[16:32] <dragger> ?
[16:32] <dragger> its appear blank screen with just mouse curser
[16:33] <minimec> dragger: That sounds like ATI in combuination with compiz ;)
[16:34] <dragger> i removed compiz
[16:34] <dragger> So, what can i do ?
[16:36] <dragger> minimec, you still there
[16:36] <minimec> dragger: <ctrl><alt>F1 then login 2.) 'sudo adduser logintest' 3.) 'sudo killall gdm' 4.) 'sudo gdm && exit' 5.) try to login as user logintest
[16:37] <minimec> dragger: Let's see if this is a user config problem or a system config problem...
[16:39] <daveDev> if install 9.04 now i can update to 9.10 with out reinstalling?
[16:39] <minimec> daveDev: You will.
[16:39] <geek_> daveDev: yes
[16:40] <daveDev> thanks. i need to encypt my hd so i don't want to fool with reinstalling afterwards
[16:40] <acicula> i am using the intel driver(gma4500) and jaunty, but i have no backlight control anymore and i can only switch between two low brightness settings. Is this a known issue with the new intel driver?
[16:40] <dragger> minimec, The same problem
[16:41] <BluesKaj> yes, there many issues with intel graphics on jaunty
[16:41] <minimec> dragger: what card are you using and what driver?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> err there are
[16:41] <weltall2> no one has experienced the problem with 2 separate x screen where the SCREEN system variable is screwed up?
[16:41] <geek_> acicula: i'm using a slightly older chipset but i don't seem to have that issue with an x 3100
[16:41] <dragger> minimec, really idk
[16:41] <dragger> this is new pc in my work
[16:42] <dragger> Can i reset configuration ?
[16:43] <minimec> dragger: do 'lspci |grep VGA' in a console
[16:45] <acicula> geek_: there is a solution in the form of a lenovo-sl-driver, but it makes my system(Gui?) hang
[16:46] <minimec> dragger: you can reset the configuration doing a 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. If you (or Ubuntu) installed the 'property driver' you will have to remove that one first.
[16:49] <amikrop> By the way, what is the desktop background image of Jaunty Jackalope?
[16:50] <nvivo> Hi. Please, does anyody know how should I disable the touchpad in kubuntu 9.04?
[16:51] <nvivo> Do I still need to mess around with SHMConfig manually on the hal fdi files?
[16:51] <sebsebseb>  lol now I got a nice stop  sign  where the updater is.  and  I hover over  and   it says:   An error occured when checking for updates.  Ah well this messed up 8.10 to alpha6, to beta, to rc, upgrade is going bye bye soon :)  and then being replaced with a nice clean install of  9.04 final with Ext4
[16:51] <dragger> minimec , combatible controller intel
[16:52] <ctw> hi
[16:52] <SN0WB4LL> hi
[16:52] <SN0WB4LL> is EXT4 stable?
[16:53] <minimec> dragger: Intel should not be a problem. So you can just 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. I don't have any INtel card, but they support linux quiet well.
[16:53] <ctw> I upgraded my Jaunty install last night and now cannot boot anymore: Grub gives me the following error: 'Error2: Bad file or directory type' -- any advice?
[16:53] <Rods_Tiger> How do I get my computer to just log in automatically without stopping to ask for my password after it has logged in, for 'network manager'.
[16:53] <ctw> I'm using jfs
[16:53] <sebsebseb> Ext4 is stable enough now, by the sounds of things
[16:53] <ctw> I've tried doing an fsck but everything seems to be clean
[16:53] <sebsebseb> ctw: why jfs?
[16:53] <Rods_Tiger> it says unlock keyring and it seems 'network manager' is the thing being obstructive
[16:53] <SN0WB4LL> so, do you recommend me install EXT4?
[16:54] <sebsebseb> weird I can't autocomplete your name,  yeah  9.04  is pretty pointless without Ext4 really
[16:54] <ctw> sebsebseb: I made that decision a long time ago after reading a comparisons of filesystems ... it seemed best for handling large files at the time and now I'm kind of stuck with it
[16:54] <ctw> sebsebseb: any idea what might be going on?
[16:54] <kklimonda> SN0WB4LL: there is one ugly bug (#330824) in ubuntu.. migrating is your call..
[16:54] <sebsebseb> ctw: why is it better for large files?
[16:55] <sebsebseb> ctw: and no since I don't know enough about file systems
[16:55] <ctw> sebsebseb: I think it was rated as faster ... as I said I made that decision a long time ago
[16:55] <ctw> sebsebseb: the issue seems to be with grub though
[16:55] <sebsebseb> ctw: well Ext4 is meant to be much faster than Ext3
[16:55] <ctw> sebsebseb: I'm hoping that there is a way for me to rescue my system without a re-install
[16:55] <SN0WB4LL> kklimonda: mhhhh, but 2 days ago, the bug will be repair?
[16:55] <SN0WB4LL> sorry for my english :P
[16:56] <Rods_Tiger> what I want is to just switch the computer on and it does all the starting up without my intervention. Having to go to it and type in the password into 'unlock keyring' is not what I want.
[16:56] <sebsebseb> SNOWB4LL  by what I have seen of 9.04,  with Ext3, it is pretty pointless.
[16:56] <kklimonda> SN0WB4LL: I don't know if it will be repaired soon.. it's hard to reproduce but painful for those who are affected..
[16:56] <ctw> when I log in with an old kernel, I can boot, but I get a lot of errors indicating that libraries are missing (I did a complete dist-upgrade) ... does anybody here know how to fix this?
[16:57] <ctw> I can't even run apt-get anymore
[16:57] <ctw> because of the errors
[16:57] <SN0WB4LL> kklimonda: so, upgrade or no? :S
[16:57] <nvivo> anyone has any idea on how to disable the touchpad while typing on kubuntu 9.04?
[16:57] <sebsebseb> !touchpad
[16:58] <SN0WB4LL> ok thanks :)
[17:00] <slacker_nl> hello does anyone know if ubuntu 9.04 has a KDE 3.5.x package?
[17:01] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: sadly  8.10, and 9.04 do not have KDE3 avaialbe in the repo
[17:01] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: there is a way to install, but not sure about having both KDE3 and 4
[17:01] <slacker_nl> i don't want kde4
[17:01] <regeya> kde4 is quite an adjustment, isn't it slacker_nl
[17:01] <ctw> did anybody else run into the 'Error2: Bad file or directory type' message after upgrading?
[17:01] <slacker_nl> i want 3.5
[17:01] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: yeah I don't like KDE4 much either
[17:02] <slacker_nl> regeya: i think its too bloated
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: 8.04 has KDE3 in the repo :)
[17:02] <nvivo> ok.. it seems i still need to manually enable SHMConfig then
[17:02] <regeya> heh
[17:02] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: that i know, i'm running 8.04
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl:  maybe you should just stay with 8.04 for now
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: I mean nothing that amazing in 8.10 or 9.04
[17:02] <nvivo> why is this never fixed? I mean, notebooks are so common, why SHMConfig is not enabled by default?
[17:02] <regeya> slacker_nl: I've noticed if I shut off most the special effects, it seems to run better, but I still dislike the panels
[17:02] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: i've upgraded to 8.10 and it broke my intel driver
[17:02] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: and 8.04 is the long term suppourt release, so that will still be getting updates, when 8.10 and 9.04 no longer are
[17:03] <slacker_nl> so I'm staying at 8.04 for a long time ;)
[17:03] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: oh right I see,  old graphics card?
[17:03] <slacker_nl> no, not really
[17:03] <slacker_nl> some bug with a intel driver, it was fixed in a later release but that wasn't in 8.10
[17:03] <slacker_nl> iirc
[17:03] <swirvbox> Has anyone had success with evolution mapi ?
[17:03] <slacker_nl> lemme find the bug
[17:04] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: I am glad I  haven't  updated,  the other computer from  8.04 to 8.10, don't want to be stuck with a unsuppourted 8.10 on there,  or  have to go 9.04 on there
[17:04] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: on my own computer oh sure, I want the latest etc etc, but for the other computer a family one, 8.04 is great
[17:05] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: I have used Ubuntu since the second release of 2005, and by what I have seen of  9.04,  and what I know about it,  I am not sure if I can tell loads of people to upgrade to it yet.  I will have to clean install this  slightly messed up install here and there,  and  put a nice clean install of 9.04 final with Ext4,  before I can recommend people to upgrade or not, more properly
[17:06] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/256142
[17:06] <minimec> Gullstad: I gave AWN a chance, but i start to love that gnome-do docky ;)
[17:06] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: 8.04 was nice, 8.10 was nice,  9.04  does not seem properly worth the upgrade for many people.
[17:06] <slacker_nl> hehe
[17:06] <slacker_nl> i have seen many people upgrading to 9.04
[17:06] <slacker_nl> and they seem to be happy
[17:07] <slacker_nl> but I was just curious regarding kde
[17:07] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl:  you use Gnome?
[17:07] <slacker_nl> since I didn't like the sudden upgrade to alpha kde4.x
[17:07] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: if you want KDE3 just run it in 8.04 :)
[17:07] <slacker_nl> i run kde3.5 in 8.04 ;)
[17:07] <genii> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-jaunty-kde3-remix-beta   as well
[17:07] <slacker_nl> i was curious
[17:07] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl:  8.04   3 years suppourt on the desktop
[17:08] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: 8.10 and 9.04 only a year and half on the desktop
[17:08] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: so got another 2 years of suppourt on the desktop with 8.04
[17:09] <slacker_nl> i have a server too
[17:09] <slacker_nl> so that is 5 year support on 8.04 iirc
[17:09] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: newer is not always better, and  8.04 has certain advantages over 8.10 and 9.04,  just like 8.10 will have over 8.04 and 9.04,  and 9.04 will over  8.04 and 8.10, but it depends on the computer and the user.   for example I read that 9.04 is meant to have better suppourt for  atheros wireless,  would that effect me personally nope, since I am hardwired :)
[17:09] <dstar> anyone know why emacs-snapshot-x on kubuntu jaunty doesn't completely maximize vertically?
[17:09] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: yes exactly 5 years of suppourt for hte server, and yeah 8.04 is recommend for servers
[17:10] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: with Ubuntu it is not about what is new, it's about what is still suppourted :)
[17:10] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: naturalley most users are going to be using the latest version though
[17:10] <slacker_nl> hahahaa
[17:10] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: why why ha ha?
[17:11] <slacker_nl> had to laugh regarding the supported statement (breakage of my X with the 8.10 upgrade)
[17:11] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: to be honest  Ubuntu's website should be more clear about  how   it's meant to be about what is suppourted. and how these non LTS releases are just build up releases to another LTS
[17:11] <slacker_nl> i'm not a guy who want the latest and greatest
[17:11] <slacker_nl> i've never really looked at the ubuntu website
[17:11] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: stay with 8.04 then makes a lot of sense in your situation :)
[17:12] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: by the way KDE3 is sadly no longer developed, hence why distros are getting rid of it.  hence why 8.04 is the last one to have it available in the repo
[17:12] <slacker_nl> only need it for the downloads, and even that is not often, since all my boxes are upgraded from some ancient release
[17:12] <slacker_nl> i blame kde for the mishap ;)
[17:12] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: I think suppourted or not, KDE3 should still be an option in the Ubuntu repo
[17:12] <slacker_nl> me too
[17:13] <topyli> heh
[17:13] <topyli> and gnome 2.4
[17:13] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: KDE3 is more stable than KDE4 I think, but not entirely sure
[17:13] <topyli> err, 1.4
[17:13] <yoasif> KDE3 needs to be forked if people care that much about it... likely not going to happen because KDE4 is supposed to be a superset of KDE3 (eventually)
[17:13] <sebsebseb> topyli: heh heh maybe, in fact I want to try those :)
[17:13] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: it was when 8.10 was released imo
[17:13] <slacker_nl> I know a kde user who switched to gnome because of kde4
[17:13] <topyli> sebsebseb: it's just that all this whining about kde4 reminds me of gnome2 :)
[17:13] <slacker_nl> he didn't like it
[17:14] <sebsebseb> yoasif: yeah I don't think that many people cared about the Mozilla Suite really, but that got forked, Seamonkey
[17:14] <sebsebseb> topyli: I hate KDE4 basically,  except for how some of it's apps that I use got much better, but I use those in Gnome anyway :)
[17:14] <slacker_nl> actually, a co-worker of mine is using seamonkey
[17:14] <yoasif> sebsebseb: i'm still using seamonkey as an alternate browser
[17:14] <mint3> gnome i find is better sebsebseb
[17:14] <sebsebseb> mint3: yeah  Gnome is rather good with some KDE apps in it as well :)
[17:15] <sebsebseb> KDE3 has been around for years, and so is rather stable,  why does good software have to die?
[17:16] <sebsebseb> uhmmmm  well I would run Kubuntu KDE3 sometimes, but use Ubuntu/Gnome :)   however Knoppix and what not, KDE3 was so good there
[17:16] <yoasif> sebsebseb: someone needs to support it... you can set up a foundation if you want ;)
[17:16] <sebsebseb> yoasif: ha ha no money for that,  plus  I don't program anything yet
[17:16] <sebsebseb> yoasif: and I don't care enough about KDE3 not being suppourted  to  want to
[17:16] <sebsebseb> yoasif: and I can always continue to virtual machine 8.04 for KDE3 or whatever,  when it's no longer suppourted
[17:17] <topyli> i guess this discussion benongs to #ubuntu-offtopic though
[17:17] <sebsebseb> topyli: maybe to some extent
[17:17] <topyli> (since i don't think you're having kde3 problems in jaunty)
[17:17] <sebsebseb> topyli: no  I got KDE4 problems instead :d
[17:17] <mint3> plasmoids on kde are ok tho
[17:18] <tommychurch> atleast there is life in this room some of the other ones you need to check and see if you have a toe tag on in them
[17:18] <topyli> sebsebseb: ok, those belong here, if they're specific to the upcoming ubuntu release :)
[17:18] <yoasif> i have a real question...
[17:18] <sebsebseb> topyli: yeah  when I upgraded 8.10 to alpha6, my KDE4 went rather bad indeed.  well I had the KDE4.2 PPA in 8.10.   well my KDE apps still work in Gnome :) so I didn't care enough to try and fix it.  ,but  would log into KDE4 and it would be the background. a  like cricle on the top right. and could right click for some options
[17:18] <yoasif> im running seamonkey and it warns me on every start that "You're using an old stable version of SeaMonkey (1.1.15), while we offer a newer version which contains important security fixes."
[17:19] <yoasif> why are we not shipping 1.1.16?
[17:19] <topyli> sebsebseb: that of course is a 100% unsupported upgrade path
[17:19] <sebsebseb> topyli: no  log in sound in Ubuntu, and  the upgrades from  alpha6, to beta, to rc,  haven't done anything much it seems, nothing that I could notice. and my   help last time I looked. still mentions how shutdown and logout is in the system menu.
[17:19] <sebsebseb> topyli: and I know it's unsuppourted
[17:19] <sebsebseb> topyli: I expected issues
[17:20] <sebsebseb> topyli: anyway I am preperating my computer, so I can get rid of this messed up Ext3 install, and put a nice clean  install of  Ubuntu 9.04 final  with Ext4 :)
[17:21] <tommychurch> whats going to be different  about this new  9.04
[17:21]  * sebsebseb says from about a month of using,  9.04 with Ext3, really does not seem worth it
[17:21] <sebsebseb> tommychurch: the only major change is the optional Ext4 file system
[17:21] <topyli> sebsebseb: yeah if you had done a clean in the first place, you would be able to talk about jaunty issues in the first place :)
[17:21] <sebsebseb> tommychurch: well and there are under the hood improvements, such as  better  wireless supopurt, and arm
[17:21] <tommychurch> how does that effect  anything  if i may ask  benefits
[17:21] <sebsebseb> topyli: ha ha  yeah maybe
[17:22] <topyli> right now you're talking about issues in some mysterious bastard system you built in your laboratory at night
[17:22] <sebsebseb> topyli: ha ha not quite, but one where updates went wrong yes
[17:22] <yoasif> sebsebseb: new packages, as always
[17:22] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, are you really "that convinced", that ext4 is superior to ext3 ?
[17:22] <kklimonda> yoasif: security patches were backported to 1.1.15
[17:23] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: by what I have been told, it's worth trying :)
[17:23] <topyli> BluesKaj: look at the numbers!
[17:23] <timc> Hey, how do i disable the notification system?
[17:23] <slacker_nl> guys, thnx for the info regarding 9.04 and kde3.5
[17:23] <slacker_nl> i'm off
[17:23] <BluesKaj> topyli , what numbers ..gotta URL ?
[17:23] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: and if   9.04  with Ext4 isn't that superiror to Ext3, well I wonder how long I will be staying with 9.04, because for example  how  they removed shutdown and logout from the system menu, really does get at me, oh sure I can remove fusa to get it back, but what if I want both
[17:23] <yoasif> kklimonda: ah gotcha
[17:23] <mackk431> #flame
[17:24] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I have used Ubuntu since second release in 2005,  I am going to be doing a lot of virtual machine trying once I got a clean install of 9.04 with Ext4
[17:24] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: who knows I might try a distro that I like better, but  I have been rather loyal to Ubuntu, and so stuck with it for so long
[17:24] <yoasif> sebsebseb: what distro would you try?
[17:24] <sebsebseb> yoasif: oh loads of OS's I want to try
[17:25] <slacker_nl> i would go for opensolaris or one of the BSD clones
[17:25] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: yeah I  want to try those :)
[17:25] <slacker_nl> if i would leave ubuntu
[17:25] <yoasif> haiku!
[17:25] <yoasif> http://www.haiku-os.org/
[17:25] <sebsebseb> I want to try more advanced stuff as well,  Gentoo, Sabyon,  ArchLinux, Slackware, etc  etc
[17:25] <slacker_nl> the opensolaris meets debian fork looks nice
[17:26] <coz_> hey guys... has any progress been made to speed up nauilus open dialog?  I just spen 30 minutes doing a project that would normally only take 3 minutes... it's painfully slow
[17:26] <slacker_nl> nexeta it is called..
[17:26] <sebsebseb> well I nearly tried those distros on old computer, before the hardware buggered up nicely
[17:26] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, I'm asking a question, not trying to be critical of ppls choices here ...I would also consider using ext4 if it's worth the effort to do a clean install , but I am kinda happy with jaunty so far .
[17:26] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: boot up times are meant to be faster and things,  a lot of people have said 9.04 with Ext4 is better than Ext3
[17:27] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: and the disk check is meant to be really quick
[17:27] <yoasif> sebsebseb: Gentoo is dying... the rest, i would just jump into debian unstable or experimental ;)
[17:27] <sebsebseb> yoasif: Gentoo is dying what?
[17:28] <yoasif> sebsebseb: interest is starting to wane... more people interested in arch and ubuntu etc nowadays
[17:28] <kklimonda> sebsebseb: they have had a lot of organizational problems in last months/years..
[17:28] <sebsebseb> yoasif: well  Ubuntu has been the major noobs distro since 2004/5
[17:28] <yoasif> yeah what kklimonda said as well
[17:29] <sebsebseb> yoasif: hence why it's got most desktop Linux users,  which is good as well, since then can pretty much ignore suppourting other distros
[17:29] <sebsebseb> yoasif: help suppourt Ubuntu, help it gain much more market share, Windows lsoes market share :)  and more apps go cross platform
[17:29] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb, bootup time is not a biggie with me , it still beats the wifes vista pc , and when I boot up in the morning the login is up and ready when I get my first cup of coffee.  :)
[17:29] <weltall2> can someone help me with a dual xscreen bug only in 9.04?
[17:32] <LiMaO> !ask | weltall2
[17:32] <mint3> !asl
[17:32] <mogul218> hey all I attempted to have 3 ntfs partitions mounted automatically at start up and 2 of the 3 mount successfully but the third doesn't.  When I attempt to mount manually i get this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/155425/ Here is a copy of my FSTAB http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/155433/
[17:32] <weltall2> i've tried but i got no answer :S
[17:33] <weltall2> practically
[17:33] <LiMaO> weltall2: well, try it again. people are always getting in and out of the channel.. maybe someone can help you now
[17:33] <weltall2> every application i open on the second monitor opens on the first the only way to make things open there is using the terminal and doing DISPLAY=":0.1" application
[17:33] <weltall2> i think the display enviroment variable is wrongly defined
[17:34] <BluesKaj> sebsebseb , i was  a windows guy for yrs til i started to dabble in Linux about 10 yrs ago , but the cli made me aconvert
[17:34] <weltall2> and being this tested on a live it's a bug not a misconfiguration on my end
[17:34] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: indeed the shell is so much more powerful,  in  Linux distros and Unix
[17:34] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: DOS it's like LOL
[17:34] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: in fact their are sadly still retards, that use it for partitining
[17:34] <BluesKaj> never did much DOS
[17:35] <yoasif> sebsebseb: not true with Powershell in vista and above
[17:35] <sebsebseb> BluesKaj: I did a course and they used DOS for partitioning, and I was like what the?  and thought of the Gparted Live CD or something :)
[17:35] <sebsebseb> yoasif: powershell  vista add ons?
[17:35] <LiMaO> shouldn't you people be talking in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:35] <mphill> Are the karmic repos created when the tool chain is uploaded
[17:35] <sebsebseb> LiMaO: maybe
[17:36] <BluesKaj> powershell in vista ...hmmm ?
[17:36] <thiebaude> this channel is more relaxed than #ubuntu
[17:36] <LiMaO> it's kinda difficult to keep track of users' real problems when some are talking about dos and vista
[17:36] <LiMaO> thiebaude: still we try to keep on topic
[17:37] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: true, but I was here once talking off topic when this  channel was rather dead, and later people suggest going to offtopic
[17:37] <thiebaude> LiMaO: i agree
[17:37] <tommychurch> the ubuntu 64 channel is dead
[17:37] <bigjocker> ERROR: there's no such channel #ubuntu-offtopic? on this server
[17:37] <thiebaude> yesterday everyone was offtopic,lol
[17:37] <sebsebseb> !ot
[17:37] <mint3> !offtopic
[17:37] <LiMaO> bigjocker: no question mark, it's #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:37] <sebsebseb> that needs to be updated for this channel :d
[17:37] <sebsebseb> the bot should know which channel it is  in
[17:37] <mint3> the bot seems sleep
[17:37] <mint3> y
[17:38] <sebsebseb> well  this channel is going bye bye again on Thursday
[17:38] <bigjocker> LiMaO, i know ... i'm just being pedantic ;)
[17:38] <thiebaude> so this channel will be #ubuntu on thursday or how does that go?
[17:38] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: yep
[17:38] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: I think it's Thursday when it happens
[17:38] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: they will like lock this channel or something, so people can't join
[17:38] <thiebaude> so this channel will be 9.10
[17:39] <LiMaO> thiebaude: this channel will be closed upon the official release of 9.04. people should go to #ubuntu
[17:39] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: when  9.10 development starts, this one becomes 9.10 talk yeah
[17:39] <tommychurch> why
[17:39] <thiebaude> kewl, i cant wait
[17:39] <BluesKaj> bigjocker it's #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:39] <LiMaO> thiebaude: this channel will be reopened by the time there is anything to talk/ask/report about 9.10
[17:39] <thiebaude> wow, #ubuntu will be 8.04 8.10 and 9.04 that will be busier
[17:40] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: yeah maybe
[17:40] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: ,but probably most people here are also in #ubuntu
[17:40] <sebsebseb> what really gets me about Ubuntu really
[17:40] <LiMaO> thiebaude: actually we tell everyone to upgrade, so it won't be that bad =P
[17:40] <sebsebseb> is the amount of lurkers
[17:40] <sebsebseb> that never chat
[17:40] <mint3> i dont understand how your number 1
[17:40] <sebsebseb> 1526  nicks in #ubuntu right now,  right, but most of those never even chat there
[17:40] <thiebaude> LiMaO: yea, cant wait until my 9.04 cd
[17:41] <mint3> 9.04 looks good
[17:41] <thiebaude> mint3: it sure boots fast
[17:41] <mint3> i have been impressed. been using it since the beta came out.
[17:41] <mint3> so far, i had no glitch.
[17:41] <sebsebseb> I am waiting for people to ask about shutting down and logging out 9.04, since they got removed from the system menu, if I see that in #ubuntu  it will make my day
[17:41] <thiebaude> i cant use 9.04 because my X freezing
[17:41] <weltall2> every application i open on the second monitor opens on the first the only way to make things open there is using the terminal and doing DISPLAY=":0.1" application so i think there is some misconfiguration of enviromental variables. the problem is that this happens on a live cd so i assume it's not something i did.
[17:42] <sebsebseb> above that was meant to say, looking forward to
[17:42] <thiebaude> sebsebseb: yea, i remember that
[17:42] <weltall2> any ideas?
[17:42] <mint3> weltall2, whats the problem lad ?
[17:42] <thiebaude> brb
[17:42] <weltall2> well i can't use the second monitor without doing that thing
[17:43] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: 3 suppourted releases, well better than only 2 or only 1?
[17:43] <weltall2> everything opens on the first one if i use the gnome menu
[17:44] <weltall2> (note i've a menu in either screen as i don't use xinerama but two separate x screens)
[17:50] <weltall> sorry firefox crashed
[17:51] <Las1> hrrm
[17:51] <Las1> i'm not showing a "card0" in /dev/ after upgrading
[17:52] <Mint`> !safari
[17:52] <Lasivian> crap, looks like I have this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/357290
[17:53] <Lasivian> what is UXA?
[17:53] <thiebaude> it looks familiar,lol
[17:54] <mrwes> Is Gnome-do supported in Jaunty
[17:56] <mrwes> !gnome-do
[17:56] <Lasivian> anyone good with video? I don;t follow this bug :/
[17:57] <Gullstad> minimec: Oh-well.. your dumb :P
[17:58]  * Lasivian grovels
[17:58] <emma> hi folks.
[17:58] <emma> I have been hearing a lot of generally positive feedback about Jaunty. It seems like a pretty cool release.
[17:59] <minimec> Gullstad: Looks that 'mrwes' is on my side... ;)
[17:59]  * Lasivian really wants to know how to move from EXA to UXA
[17:59] <sebsebseb> emma: yeah it's alright
[18:00] <Lasivian> that seems to fix this bug, but I don;t know how to make that switch, or even where to start looking :/
[18:00] <Gullstad> minimec: AWN has more features, and has more features. I think :P
[18:02] <minimec> Gullstad: maybe, but that gnome-do docky is quiet easy to handle.
[18:03] <Newbee> hello
[18:04] <Newbee> i have kubuntu jaubty and my sound fails frequently. now i cannot put out any sound. kde tells me that the device doesn't wok. what can i do to fix this?
[18:05] <ripps> Lavivian: Add "Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"" to the Device section of your xorg.conf
[18:05] <ripps> Beware, UXA can still be quite unstable
[18:05] <Newbee> i have intel hda sound on my notebook
[18:06] <ripps> Lasivian: ^ (sorry, mistyped your name)
[18:07] <Lasivian> ripps: thanks
[18:10] <yml> Newbee: which kind of laptop is it ?
[18:11] <Newbee> yml: thoshiba satelite with intel chipset
[18:11] <yml> I have also a sound issue with hp DV6 1030ef
[18:12] <yml> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/363870
[18:12] <yml> there is 3 days that i have been trying my best to get my kubuntu make some noise without success
[18:13] <yml> I would be satisfied if at least the headphones was working
[18:15] <Lasivian> whoa, uxa seems slower for everythign :S
[18:16] <ripps> Lasivian: I told you was still unstable
[18:16] <Lasivian> ripps: well, seemed worth trying
[18:17] <ripps> Lasivian: Newer kernels have more optimizations for UXA, but it still a while before there'll be gains in performance.
[18:18] <Lasivian> ripps: yeah, and EXA is simply a known bug in the works so i'm kinda screwed either way
[18:19] <Newbee> how can i restart alsa?
[18:20] <coz_> Newbee,    sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[18:20] <coz_> that should work
[18:20] <Newbee> doesn't exist and this sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[18:21] <Newbee> doesn't help
[18:21] <coz_> Newbee,  are you using alsa or pulseaudio?
[18:21] <Newbee> coz_: I don't konw. how can i find this out?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> coz_ , alsa and pulseaudio aren't mutually exclusive , they depend on each other
[18:22] <BluesKaj> !alsa
[18:22] <Lasivian> ripps: I suppose I should just go back to EXA and disable all 3D effects
[18:22] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[18:22] <Lasivian> not like I really need them
[18:23] <Lasivian> this might be a horribly silly question but how long do bugs usually hang around before they are fixed in Ubuntu?
[18:23] <Newbee> ubottu: i use kde and cannot find this option
[18:24] <ripps> Lasivian: You might want to try out one of the newer mainline kernels to see if it fixes your problem
[18:24] <ripps> !mainline
[18:24] <coz_> Newbee,  what does   ps ax | grep pulseaudio   read out from terminal
[18:24] <ripps> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[18:24] <Lasivian> ripps: hrrm, how do I do that?
[18:24] <Newbee> 9489 ?        Ssl    0:02 pulseaudio -D
[18:24] <Lasivian> i'm guessing not through the package system
[18:25] <ripps> ^ Goto the link, follow the directions
[18:25] <Lasivian> hrrm, tempting but i'm concerned as well, heh
[18:25] <coz_> Newbee,  well I am not sure I alsways remove pulseaudio on my systems  so I really cant help
[18:26] <Lasivian> heh, "The kernel team does not support these kernels, use them at your own risk. "
[18:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all. Suppose one wanted to get rid of skype for video calls. I tried ekiga in jaunty,and to my surprise it is now able to do a good echo test with video. But video quality can not compete with skype - seems a matter of bandwidth. Do you have any favourite client for video chat or should I just stick with skype atm?
[18:30] <Newbee> when I log in, sound normaly works. and then from one moment to the other it fails. reboot helps, but i'd like to fix it. doesn't anyone know what I could do about it? this is really a show stopper in my eyes.
[18:33] <coz_> Newbee,  unfortunately I personally dont use pulseaudo and am not well versed in KDE to tell you where to go  in the menus... maybe perhpas check   gstreamer-properties from the terminal ?
[18:33] <coz_> i am sure that someone here is more familiar with this and working with kde
[18:34] <yoasif> Newbee: file a bug report and use alsa-info.sh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[18:34]  * ripps hasn't used KDE since 2005
[18:35] <Newbee> both commands were not found
[18:35] <coz_> Newbee,  gstreamer-properties was not found?
[18:35] <Newbee> yes
[18:36] <yoasif> coz_: does kde use gstreamer?
[18:36] <Newbee> that's what it told me. I think with KDE xine ist mostly used
[18:36] <weltall> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-main-menu/+bug/345595 => here it is my issue with ubuntu 9.04
[18:36] <coz_> yoasif,  oh  I am not sure
[18:36] <coz_> Newbee,  you may also benefit by going to  #kde channel and asking there
[18:36] <yoasif> Newbee: do this in a terminal wget http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh -O alsa.sh && bash alsa.sh
[18:36] <yoasif> and try going to #alsa
[18:37] <yoasif> and also filing a bug report
[18:38] <Newbee> yoasif: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=f1267b4187f9ea36ecf91eec5a033e081bc2ea82 may it help to reload the mentioned kernel modules?
[18:39] <yoasif> Newbee: i dont know much about audio, honestly but post that link in your bug report, that is what you will be asked for to start with anyway
[18:39] <yoasif> and you can try posting that link in #alsa and see if they can help as well
[18:40] <yoasif> audio bugs should be posted to linux-source
[18:40] <yoasif> let me get you a link to make it simpler for you
[18:40] <shaga> anyone here on acer aspire one & Jaunty?
[18:40] <shaga> having some problems with integrated mic
[18:41] <shaga> it skips and wont take a clear voice
[18:41] <yoasif> shaga: see the forums (ubuntuforums.org), i saw somethings on there about that
[18:41] <shaga> ok, will check. thanks
[18:42] <yoasif> Newbee: post a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[18:42] <tinjaw> Ok. I'm back. Let's see if we can troubleshoot this issue.
[18:43] <tinjaw> I have 9.04 beta.
[18:43] <tinjaw> I have dual nvidia 8800GT
[18:43] <Pollywog> A light bulb icon popped up on my task bar and asked me to set a passphrase to encrypt my home directory but it did not accept all my input and now I am afraid of being locked out of the system
[18:43] <BluesKaj> Newbee , what's your soundcard ?
[18:43] <Pollywog> is there a way to fix this without a reinstall?
[18:44] <tinjaw> when I attempt to run the proprietary drivers I can't get x to start.
[18:44] <tinjaw> when I go back to generic drivers all is well
[18:44] <Newbee> BluesKaj: I guess it is a realtec chip. but I don't actually know.
[18:44] <tinjaw> the twist is that this *was* working for the past 2-3 weeks.
[18:44] <tinjaw> It only broke when I did a fesh install yesterday.
[18:44] <BluesKaj> Newbee , in the Konsole : aplay -l
[18:45] <DarthFrog> Does anyone here use Thunderbird with Jaunty?
[18:46] <coz_> Pollywog,  you can delete a key  or even add a new one  I am not sure if thats what you want
[18:46] <Pollywog> coz_: yes that is the option I seek
[18:47] <Pollywog> since I do not think the one I entered was correctly entered and I might be locked out of the system after a reboot
[18:47] <coz_> Pollywog,   ok first I have never done this but  I believe to add a key you would   sudo cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/HARDDISK    to delete  a key I believe   you do     sudo cryptsetup luksDelKey /dev/HARDDISK
[18:47] <coz_> Pollywog,  however I would check with someone on that to be sure first  before doing it
[18:47] <Pollywog> thanks I can google uusing what you told me
[18:48] <Newbee> BluesKaj: Karte 0: Intel [HDA Intel], Gerät 0: ALC268 Analog [ALC268 Analog]
[18:48] <Newbee> BluesKaj: Karte 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], Gerät 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI]
[18:49] <tinjaw> Installing nvidia-glx-180 via Synaptic
[18:51] <BluesKaj> !intel HD audio
[18:52] <deeta> Hiya, I had the misfortune of experiencing a power-blackout during upgrading to jaunty, not surprisingly somethings broke, most obviously the xserver. (does not recognise keyboard or mouse) would anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> !HDA
[18:56] <genii> !intelhda
[18:57] <Pollywog> coz_: I think my system is using something called ecryptfs
[18:58] <Pollywog> I am Googling for a way to reset the passphrase
[19:00] <BluesKaj> BBIAB
[19:01] <MikeH> Are there any issues with upgrading to Jaunty with an ATI card now? (I remember reading a short while back that there were no ATI drivers for the new X server version?)
[19:01]  * Lasivian hugs ripps
[19:01] <Lasivian> ripps: 251fps with the pipes screensaver I like so much
[19:02] <deeta> Anybody around who could assist me with fixing X? :)
[19:03] <coz_> Pollywog,  ok  good luck on that :)
[19:04] <Pollywog> coz_: I think I fixed it but I am going to backup some files before my next reboot
[19:04] <Pollywog> it was ecryptfs-manager
[19:05] <Pollywog> I added a passphrase with that command
[19:06] <ripps> Lasivian: Your welcome
[19:06] <coz_> Pollywog,  ok cool  let me know if that works
[19:07] <ripps> MikeH: There's no catlyst drivers for r300-r500 cards in Jaunty, r600+ are supported by catalyst. The Open source Radeon drivers work fro r200-r700.
[19:08] <MikeH> I have a 4850
[19:08] <MikeH> which means the proprietory drivers will work?
[19:09] <ripps> MikeH: That's a RV770, it'll work with catalyst, and has limited support in radeon
[19:09] <ripps> But it should work with both
[19:09] <MikeH> ripps: By catalyst you mean the drivers from ATI's site?
[19:10] <ripps> MikeH: yes
[19:10] <ripps> fglrx
[19:10] <MikeH> great news
[19:10] <MikeH> I was worried about nothing :) - Update in progress
[19:11] <MikeH> Is KDE 4.2 stable in Jaunty? Does anyone here use it?
[19:11] <tas> Here we go
[19:11] <transsoup> @MikeH KDE 4.2.2
[19:12] <tas> Hello all, I have a question about upgrading to Jaunty from Intrepid
[19:12] <dekkong> Hello Guys
[19:12] <MikeH> awesome, have the performance issues been addressed?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> !ask | tas
[19:12] <MikeH> I had terrible problems with 4.2 beta under Intrepid
[19:13] <dekkong> I'm trying to download sun-java6-jre for Ubuntu 9.04 but it takes forever :/
[19:13] <tas> Basically, I wanna know if installing it also reinstalls GRUB. I have a Windows partition and it took me quite awhile to install Ubuntu without killing the Windows mbr. So I'd like not to go through that mess again
[19:13] <BluesKaj> tas , if you do a network upgrade , grub will remain un touched
[19:13] <ripps> MikeH: If your concerned about compatiblity, burn an iso with the jaunty rc and see if there's any problems in the livecd
[19:13] <tas> Perfect
[19:14] <transsoup> @MikeH in my opinion it seems to be a bit more stable, but since I'm using gnome or the basic shell, I can't say for sure
[19:14] <Lasivian> how can I see which mouse button is which button # to Gnome?
[19:14] <MikeH> I suspect it'd keep your grub config if you update through upgrade-manager, I'll also guess that if it does upgrade it, it'll install it in the same place.
[19:14] <tas> Thank you, Blues. How do I go about doing that? update-manager -..what was it, k?
[19:14] <Lasivian> it's this little program I can;t remember and my google-fu sucks today :S
[19:15] <MikeH> ripps, transsoup: I'm not worried as such, I'd like to use it, but I've gone back to using gnome. I guess I'll just wait and see - if it's usable now, I'll go back to it :)
[19:15] <tas> Oh, also, if I use updage manager, will it automatically upgrade to the RC version?
[19:15] <ripps> tas: yes
[19:15] <tas> Or some other Beta or Alpha version of Jaunty?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> tas , use the command line , either apt or aptitude .. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:15] <tas> Mkay, thans
[19:15] <MikeH> Hrm, I was told that it wasn't advised to use upgrade/dist-upgrade
[19:15] <MikeH> and that i should use update-manager.
[19:16] <tas> O:
[19:16] <tas> How do I use Update-manager?
[19:16] <MikeH> update-manager -d
[19:16] <tas> Ah, thanks
[19:16] <MikeH> at the top it'll tell you about 9.04 and give you a button to "upgrade"
[19:16] <BluesKaj> update manager is buggy
[19:16] <MikeH> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview <-- tas
[19:16] <ripps> Many people misunderstand the alpha, beta, rc names. There's only one repository "Jaunty". The repository itself is automatically updated to from alpha->beta->rc->full
[19:17] <Pici> MikeH: You shouldnt use upgrade/dist-upgrade to upgrade from one release to the next, but just normally upgrading from within one release to the latest packages is fine
[19:17] <tas> So when the full version comes out, I should run update-manager -d again, correct?
[19:18] <MikeH> tas: no, once you're running Jaunty, you can update;dist-upgrade
[19:18] <tas> ah, thanks
[19:18] <tas> I'll go too it then
[19:18] <MikeH> Pici: I know, sorry, I assumed the advice was on upgrading to Jaunty from another version
[19:18] <tas> Last question; Anyone know if Jaunty supports rebooting on a Macbook 5,1?
[19:19] <ripps> Jaunty is Jaunty, there is no other jaunty that can be installed
[19:19] <Pici> Use update-manager -d when you want to go from a release to the next development release. i.e: to Karmic when that gets started.
[19:20] <tas> O: Allright
[19:20] <tas> I guess I'll disconnect now and let the upgrade run its course
[19:20] <tas> Thank you all
[19:21] <ripps> Y'know every release, there's people asking if they have to do special upgrades from alpha->beta->rc. Isn't there an alias that we can call to explain it?
[19:22] <hifi> has anyone tried to dist-upgrade from debian, ever? :)
[19:22] <Gullstad> debian to ubuntu?
[19:22] <hifi> yeah
[19:23] <Gullstad> Should work, but upgrades tend to leave a mess.
[19:23] <hifi> I'm up to clean it up, if it still boots
[19:23] <Gullstad> Yeah, and that :P
[19:23] <hifi> though I could just reinstall
[19:24] <Gullstad> I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 I think, and endend up with the nice message "No Operating system" when rebooting :P
[19:25] <hifi> if it fscks up my partitions then I'll be mad, otherwise I don't care what happens if my /home survives
[19:25] <Technoviking> no updates in more than 24 hours, Woot!
[19:25] <Gullstad> hifi: You should reboot though P
[19:27] <Gullstad> I mean backup
[19:27] <Gullstad> :P
[19:27] <MikeH> hr
[19:27] <MikeH> *hrm
[19:27] <MikeH> I might try installing lenny on a vm and attempting dist-upgrade to jaunty
[19:27] <MikeH> interesting question hifi :)
[19:29] <hifi> I'll try it tomorrow, just for the heck of it
[19:29] <hifi> if the mess is too big to clean up I'll just reinstall
[19:32] <hifi> it's from sid to jaunty so some package versions should be around the same
[19:34] <TheDJACR> Hello!
[19:34] <TheDJACR> Which is better for an install: Daily or RC?
[19:34] <djhash> hey, are there known issues regarding xorg "No Devices detected, Fatal server error: no screen found"
[19:34] <TheDJACR> djhash: Check launchpad
[19:35] <djhash> ok..
[19:35] <TheDJACR> :)
[19:35] <TheDJACR> Anyone having issues with Tracker corrupting itself?
[19:35] <ber2> hi everyone... I have a problem with my "Software sources" lately, I am unable to run "apt-get update" since a few days ago... does it have anything to do with the fact that I am running a 9.04 Beta?
[19:36] <Pici> ber2: What sort of problems?
[19:36] <ber2> well, I cannot download the files that contain the lists of packages
[19:37] <ber2> my network connection is fine, and I have tried some different mirrors... but it will always stop at the "jaunty-security" repo
[19:38] <Pici> hm
[19:38] <usergr> I Have no sound in kubuntu 9.04 RC. Can you help me?
[19:39] <usergr> If it matters I installed kubuntu-desktop on my current ubuntu installation
[19:40] <Pici> ber2: Can you browse to its location in a web browser?
[19:40] <mnemo> usergr: no sound with live CD as well?? (i.e. not an installed/updated version)
[19:40] <jtholmes> TheDJACR, the daily is the RC at the moment
[19:40] <mnemo> usergr: if you boot the live CD and dont have sound, then please run alsa-info.sh and attach the output to a new bug report in launchpad
[19:41] <Lasivian> hrrrm, it's not xinput
[19:41]  * Lasivian scratches her head and tries to think
[19:41] <usergr> Thank You!
[19:41] <Assid> yoza
[19:42] <panic1c> anyone using jaunty with nouveau?
[19:42] <panic1c> I'm getting a 1 sec delay on maximizing/restoring windows from dock
[19:43] <panic1c> the delay is also present if I switch to a workspace that has any windows on it
[19:43] <Assid> nouveau?
[19:43] <panic1c> yes
[19:43] <ber2> Pici: yes, I can browse to the location
[19:43] <Assid> you sure its not cause of your graphicv card?
[19:43] <panic1c> Assid: What do you mean?
[19:44] <Assid> i.e. your using 3d acceleration
[19:44] <panic1c> launchpad doesn't seem to have anything on the issue
[19:44] <panic1c> no
[19:44] <panic1c> Assid: just composting
[19:44] <usergr> mneno , I logged of and switched to ubuntu but there is no sound again. I hear a hhhh noise now
[19:44] <usergr> mnemo,
[19:45] <Assid> no idea..
[19:45] <magnus__> Hello! I've recently upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04RC. Having the whole HD encrypted and LVM didn't work that well, now the system wont boot anymore. Any suggestions what to do?
[19:45]  * Assid just waits for the next release so i can blast it into the net
[19:45] <mnemo> usergr: download this file -->   http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/file/93548f7b2086/alsa-info.sh
[19:45] <mnemo> usergr: run it and attach the output to a bug report describing the problem
[19:46] <usergr> Is it an executable?
[19:46] <jtholmes> magnus__, where does it stop in grub
[19:46] <transsoup> magnus__: use installer cd rescue mode and manually mount the crypted lvm
[19:46] <mnemo> usergr: its a shellscript
[19:46] <Assid> anyone how what time is the release party expected to be day after?
[19:46] <usergr> how to run it?
[19:47] <Assid> so i can put up some boxes
[19:47] <mnemo> usergr: just do "chmod +x the_file.sh" and then "./the_file.sh"
[19:47] <magnus__> stops at "Loading please wait...." Then after a while it boots a basic shell
[19:47] <mnemo> usergr: use "wget" to download it
[19:47] <nellmathew> hey guys how do i access the home directory of another partition (encrypted)?
[19:47] <Skiessi> do I have to edit some file or is there a command line tool for blacklisting modules?
[19:47] <TheDJACR> LiveUSBs Fail
[19:47] <jtholmes> magnus__, do you know how to edit grub lines
[19:47] <deany> !virus
[19:48] <TheDJACR> But they worked with Beta
[19:48] <magnus__> yes, with some guidance of what to write
[19:48] <usergr> thanks , have a great evening
[19:49] <jtholmes> magnus__, just edit the kernel line and remove the  quite and splash from the end of the line and lets see what causes it to go to busybox shell
[19:50] <deany> um, ive set effects to none,  effects are off.  yet compiz is running, and its set to current and default in gconf-editor.  ive set default to metacity and rebooted and still current is compiz
[19:50] <jtholmes> magnus__, of course boot after removing those values from the kernel line
[19:50] <aboSamoor1> I lost the sound, I got this error when I am trying to modprobe snd-hda-intel "snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_add_slave, snd_card_new"
[19:52] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | aboSamoor1
[19:52] <vart> Skiessi: I add lines like "blacklist lp" to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[19:52] <Skiessi> okay then
[19:55] <magnus__> It says "Check cryptopts=source= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev -r ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/ANID does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
[19:55] <madduck> i am trying to rip to mp3 with sound-juicer; lame is installed, and the mp3 profile is enabled in the preferences, but it does not show up in the select list...
[19:55] <madduck> what gives?
[19:56] <pwnguin> panic1c: nouveau will be slow in situations where compositing will be valuable
[19:56] <IndyGunFreak> BluesKaj: i think that applies more to Gutsy.. that chipset had awful isssues w/ gutsy and feisty
[19:57] <BluesKaj> IndyGunFreak , it's still aproblem
[19:57] <BluesKaj> BBL
[19:57] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: which intel sound device do you have? (lspci output)
[19:57] <IndyGunFreak> BluesKaj: i have it on 3 different machines, no probs at all.
[19:57] <ranim> hi, ubuntu sent me my request of ubuntu 9.04 but i see that it is in RC in the web site,& the final is after 2 day, i want to know if the cd is the RC or final?
[19:58] <thiebaude> ranim: final release
[19:58] <IndyGunFreak> ranim: its probably close to the final..
[19:58] <mnemo> if I have the environment variable "LANG=en_DK.UTF-8" what does the "DK" part mean? because I got english language in ubuntu and I got swedish keyboard keyboard layout... i cant think of anything in my ubuntu which is supposed to be danish (DK) ?!
[19:58] <IndyGunFreak> i wouldn't expect any major changes in the next two days... it seems to be running good.
[19:58] <thiebaude> ranim: of coarse with updates  when you install it
[19:59] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/155512/
[19:59] <bertodsera> Hi all! Is anyone else having problems with the updater?
[19:59] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: very odd.. i've got that exact device on my laptop (i'm on it now)... and its working perfect.. completely updates.
[20:00] <thiebaude> bertodsera: whats wrong with it?
[20:00] <ranim> can i use the same software of ubuntu 8.10 in this version? (virtualbox,monoDev,QT4)
[20:00] <IndyGunFreak> bertodsera: from intrepid to jaunty?.. its probably overwhelmed
[20:00] <thiebaude> ranim: yes
[20:01] <Pici> There was talk about respinning some of the isos, so no, the RC discs are not the final ones.
[20:01] <bertodsera> then mine is simply broken. It got broken on installing the nfs packages and now will wxit after proposing a partial update
[20:01] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: is the mic working ?
[20:01] <bertodsera> I did a forced remove of the pending installs on dpkg but as it turns out it dod not help
[20:01] <bertodsera> dId
[20:01] <IndyGunFreak> bertodsera: i always do clean installs.. so i couldn't tell you much about the upgrade process
[20:01] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: not reall sure, gimme a few minutes
[20:02] <vart> bertodsera: try to manually remove all files from the eapt cache
[20:02] <carl0s-> I deleted smb.conf because it was all cocked up, now I want to restore the default smb.conf. How do I do that?
[20:02] <bertodsera> vart: t trying it
[20:02] <IndyGunFreak> bertodsera: it'll take a second, i'm installing skype.. I meant to do that anyways
[20:03] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: see above.. but it worked fine under Intrepid.. so i can only assume its fine on Jaunty
[20:04] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: it was not working on my laptop I tried to upgrade alsa using the script and after I don't have sound :(
[20:04] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: what script?
[20:04] <TheDJACR> So, Is RC stable enough yet?
[20:04] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046137
[20:05] <Gurpartap> I guess i'm going to repeat a common question
[20:05] <TheDJACR> Also, what's the deal with ext4
[20:05] <Gurpartap> When's it coming out?
[20:05] <Gurpartap> :)
[20:05] <TheDJACR> Gurpartap: 2 Days
[20:05] <Gurpartap> oh lol
[20:05] <Gurpartap> i thought it's 23rd :|
[20:05] <vart> TheDJACR: yes (but I do not use ext4 yet)
[20:05] <Gurpartap> (here) :P
[20:05] <Gurpartap> but it's 22nd. thanks anyways :)
[20:05] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: ext4 isn't enable by default
[20:05] <Gurpartap> bed time
[20:06] <IndyGunFreak> Gurpartap: it seems pretty stable for me though... i dobut much is gonna change overnight..
[20:06] <IndyGunFreak> the torrents are smokin...
[20:06] <TheDJACR> thiebaude: Are there performance issues>/
[20:06] <bertodsera> let's see what happens with apt-get clean
[20:06] <Turl> hi
[20:07] <Turl> I'm having a problem with the CPU Frequency applet
[20:07] <Turl> it doesn't show the frequency!
[20:07] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: yea i have problems, my X freezes
[20:07] <thiebaude> im waiting for my 9.04 cd
[20:07] <Turl> it seems it uses the same font color as the panel background
[20:07] <TheDJACR> thiebaude: With ext4 or RC?
[20:07] <IndyGunFreak> thiebaude: why not download it?
[20:08] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: i might enable ext4
[20:08] <thiebaude> IndyGunFreak: im not able to burn it
[20:08] <IndyGunFreak> oh.
[20:08] <thiebaude> i have 9.04 but cant boot into it, only blackbox
[20:09] <thiebaude> im glad 9.04 let me get to a log-in prompt
[20:09] <TheDJACR> thiebaude: On a flash drive?
[20:09] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: i dont have a flash drive
[20:10] <TheDJACR> thiebaude: Oh. Flash Drive installs have a bug --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/276822
[20:10] <thiebaude> TheDJACR: im sure 9.04 will reconize my system on a fresh install
[20:12] <TheDJACR> The RC doesn't work, but the daily does.
[20:12] <TheDJACR> Also, applets are fscked up
[20:14] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: yes, my mic works.. i just set up skype, and it works fine.
[20:17] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: try this please cat /proc/asound/card*/codec\#*|grep -i codec
[20:17] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: why?.. mine works.
[20:17] <IndyGunFreak> or do you just want the output
[20:17] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: only the output
[20:17] <jeiworth> w00t no updates today? :eek:
[20:18] <Turl> aboSamoor1: mine doesn't work :P can you help me?
[20:18] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1:  Codec: Realtek ALC268
[20:18] <IndyGunFreak> Codec: Conexant ID 2c06
[20:18] <aboSamoor1> Turl: once I can help myself
[20:18] <Volkodav> anybody has jaunty running on netbook ?
[20:18] <unitedpotsmokers> hello guys, good morning
[20:19] <IndyGunFreak> Volkodav: i did, till my netbook took a dump..lol.. gotta send it back to acer
[20:19] <aboSamoor1> IndyGunFreak: ok, it is not the same chip
[20:19] <IndyGunFreak> aboSamoor1: ah, ok..
[20:19] <ber2> Voldokav: I am running Jaunty on an Asus EeePC 901
[20:19] <ber2> Volkodav: I am running Jaunty on an Asus EeePC 901
[20:20] <cwillu> unitedpotsmokers, just ask your question, in full.  Don't ask to ask :p
[20:20] <Turl> anyone from the ubuntu desktop team?
[20:20] <vart> Volcodav: Aspire One
[20:21] <Turl> if anyone can help fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/323064 , it's very important as it's reproducible with a default theme
[20:22] <Volkodav> vart - do you have standard edition or remix ?
[20:22] <Arc> ok now I've gone from asking about QWizard to being asked about the issue im working with mv.com to resolve
[20:22] <vart> i started with standard and installed packets from remix... but have not enabeled most of the things there
[20:23] <cwillu> Arc, :)
[20:23] <checkbit> Hi. I Updated from 64bit 8.10 to 9.04 using update manager, nor both synaptic and update manager throw segmentation faults :(. Any ideas?
[20:23] <Arc> I'm with the NH LoCo - the ISP most of us use and we (along with GNHLUG/etc) promote as the linux-friendly ISP has a problem with Jaunty
[20:23] <checkbit> *now
[20:23] <cwillu> Arc, the query shouldn't be getting through to the root name servers.  What response are they giving for that query?
[20:23]  * cwillu brushes up on his dns :p
[20:23] <Arc> their nameservers "trap" .local and reply with NXDOMAIN so that queries don't go to the root nameservers
[20:24] <ber2> Volkodav: I had lots of trouble with Netbook Remix, so I went back to the classical desktop, the standard edition
[20:24] <Arc> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18459
[20:24] <Arc> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
[20:24] <Arc> ;foo.local.			IN	A
[20:24] <mvo> checkbit: could you try to move away /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin
[20:24] <Arc> local.86400INSOAmv.mv.com. mem.mv.mv.com. 2007112800 36000 3600 604800 86400
[20:24] <IndyGunFreak> ok, here's one annoyance.. how do i stop pidgin from putting the whole message in my taskbar, when soemone IMs me.... i just want it to flash showing i have a message
[20:24] <Arc> cwillu: "shouldn't" - every other ISP does pass .local to root nameservers, and every other ISP passes Avahi's test
[20:24] <checkbit> mvo: rename them to .old?
[20:25] <unitedpotsmokers> cwillu : OK, ahh u also in here? hmm but u dont answer before? i'm still confuse
[20:25] <unitedpotsmokers> hello guys, good morning. i'm using intrepid with vmware. now i upgrade it Jaunty. everything OK, but how to reinstall vmware? because when i try to install vmware tools i need to remove these compenant manually (The following VMware kernel modules have been found on your system that were not installed by the VMware Installer.  Please remove them then run this installer again. : vmmemctl, vmxnet, vmce, vmblock.)
[20:25] <cwillu> unitedpotsmokers, I already told you that #ubuntu isn't the place to ask support questions about jaunty
[20:26] <sebsebseb> I am thinking if there is any good reason for me to do a seperate home partition when I get rid of this 9.04 borked updates install, and do a clean install  of 9.04 final with Ext4.   at the moment I am preperating my computer  moving data, so my Ext3's are ready to go.  however apparantly  without a seperate home,  since Ubuntu 8.04 if doing a reinstall, where home is in /  it would leave the data intact as long as
[20:26] <sebsebseb> didn't tell it to format
[20:26] <Arc> what I would like to be able to do is use dnspktflow, which is part of the dnssec-tools package, to analyze what Avahi is testing *precisely* to help them debug the test
[20:26] <Arc> the problem is that QWizard.pm is a dependency of dnspktflow which is apparently not provided by any Ubuntu package which is where I'm at now
[20:26] <Volkodav> ber2 what kinds issues did you have with remix ?
[20:27] <Arc> I downloaded the source of QWizard but have no idea how to invoke it's Makefile.pm or otherwise install it
[20:27] <checkbit> mvo: you are my HERO!! Thanks!!
[20:28] <vart> IndyGunFreak: open plugins menu and slect MEssage Notification plug-in - in the plugin-config you could select the way notification will work I think
[20:29] <cwillu> Arc, just on the off chance that you haven't run into this, http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal may be useful
[20:29] <IndyGunFreak> vart: thans
[20:30] <Arc> cwillu: I'm well aware, and I've already given their support staff the work-around, but I'm working with their netadmin to resolve the problem so that's not needed
[20:30] <unattached> hi, my cpu freq scaling applet isn't working, although i did a sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector, any help? i cannot set a different frequency or scaling mode, would always stay on ondemand..
[20:30] <Arc> I've been working with them on this for six weeks
[20:30] <cwillu> Arc, the workaround is the default in ubuntu though afaik
[20:30] <Arc> cwillu: Jaunty RC was shipped still testing for unicode .local
[20:31] <cwillu> unicast .local you mean?
[20:31] <Arc> yes
[20:31] <IndyGunFreak> vart: that seems to have done the trick.. thanks
[20:32] <Arc> I don't want or need your support on this, what I need support on is getting dnspktflow working
[20:32] <vart> IndyGunFreak: you're wellcome
[20:32] <IndyGunFreak> vart: i figured i'd find it eventually.. i just didn't think to check the plugins section.
[20:35] <vart> IndyGunFreak: yeah, it was last place to look for... I would prefer to have Notification submenu in the Tools menu for example...
[20:35] <IndyGunFreak> yup
[20:35] <Arc> or perhaps more specifically if anyone knows how to sniff DNS queries
[20:35] <eagles0513875> hey guys i got a question on intrepid i used to be able to purge kubuntu desktop it would remove the kdm and all kde stuff now on a clean install of jaunty i cant do that any more
[20:36] <cwillu> Arc, wireshark or tshark will do it
[20:36] <eagles0513875> has something changed that im not aware of ? i would in its place install the kde-core package and install what i want from there
[20:36] <cwillu> Arc, or even tcpdump on the right protocol/port
[20:40] <deany> coo, a jaunty vbox PUEL deb
[20:40] <deany> (which is the same as intrepid, but labelled for both..hmm
[20:43] <cwillu> Arc, dns_has_local in /usr/lib/avahi/avahi-daemon-check-dns.sh may be useful to look at
[20:47] <bertodsera> still problems on the upgrade manager: http://pastebin.com/d268071ef this is after an apt-get clan
[20:47] <bertodsera> clEan
[20:48] <bertodsera> I can imagine twisted not being there...
[20:48] <bertodsera> Nvidia worries me a bit more
[20:48] <andresmh> can someone explain to me what this means "The -intel driver now uses GEM for memory management. The new UXA acceleration architecture and DRI2 is available as an option." (from  http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview)
[20:49] <andresmh> I have an intel  GM965/GL960 graphics card and I want to know if that sentence is talking to me and if so, what I can do about it
[20:50] <cwillu> andresmh, you can use accelmethod "UXA" to change the default method from exa to uxa
[20:51] <andresmh> cwillu, and wlll that make my graphics work faster, because right now I feel things are a bit sluggish.
[20:51] <cwillu> andresmh, it may, although uxa has some lingering stability issues
[20:51] <cwillu> andresmh, on the other hand, so does exa these days :p
[20:52] <andresmh> cwillu, so how do I check if i'm using uxa or exa? and how do I change from one to the other?
[20:52] <cwillu> andersk, if you haven't changed anything, you're running exa
[20:53] <cwillu> andresmh, you can use accelmethod "UXA" in your xorg.conf to change the default method from exa to uxa
[20:53] <davenull> Has anyone else noticed that jaunty will spontaneously not let you write to /dev/null and you cant open bash?
[20:53] <cwillu> davenull, haven't noticed that, no
[20:54] <davenull> Well, both a friend and I have had the same problem, his was on a clean install
[20:54] <andresmh> cwillu, in which section of the xorg.conf would that be? Googling for UXA xorg doesn't return useful hits so far
[20:54] <cwillu> andresmh, try uxa xorg.conf :p
[20:55] <cwillu> but it just goes in the device section
[20:56] <andresmh> cwillu, oh, according to this http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=538171#p538171 i just need to add:          Option          "AccelMethod"   "UXA"
[20:56] <andresmh> do I also need the  Option          "RenderAccel"   "True" ?
[20:56] <cwillu> andresmh, no, renderaccel is on by default
[20:57] <andresmh> cool. I'll try t just the accelmethod thing then :) i'm going to restart X, if I don't come back it means i messed it up
[20:58] <deany> is this http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads  intrepid/jaunty deb ok to use?
[20:58] <andresmh> cwillu, dude, this is fast!
[20:59] <deany> being its, intrepid AND jaunty
[20:59] <andresmh> cwillu, never saw my laptop this fast!
[21:00] <cwillu> andresmh, I think the plan is to move the default to uxa for 9.10
[21:00] <andresmh> cwillu, i don't know how unstable this is, but even if i have to reboot every day I wouldn't mind
[21:00] <ezzieyguygwuf> should i wait two days to install jaunty or is the release candidate pretty much the same
[21:01] <andresmh> ezzieyguygwuf, why don't you try the livecd?
[21:01] <andresmh> if things work out, just install and then do the updates
[21:01] <cwillu> andresmh, I have a crash every couple days
[21:01] <cwillu> running uxa
[21:01] <andresmh> cwillu, not toooo bad. Are there specific things that make it crash?
[21:02] <ezzieyguygwuf> andresmh: because i want to upgrade but don't want to wait
[21:02] <cwillu> andresmh, not that I've noticed really.  Honestly, we're more concerned about exa at this point :p
[21:02] <andresmh> cwillu, is this UXA unstability documented in some launchpad bug? I'd like to subscribe to it
[21:03] <cwillu> andresmh, there's a whole whack of intel bugs right now, just do a search for your chipset and uxa
[21:03] <cwillu> but note that uxa bugs aren't getting much if any attention for this release
[21:04] <andresmh> cwillu, cool... what is UXA and EXA after all?
[21:04] <andresmh> modes of operation of X?
[21:04] <cwillu> acceleration architectures
[21:05] <bercik> Hello, why me Jockey doesnt show me fglrx driver to install (I am on Kubuntu RC)
[21:05] <cwillu> bercik, what video card are you running?  (chipset?)
[21:06] <andresmh> so are all major Linux distros affected by this Intel graphics issues? are distros like Gentoo or Arch not affected by them?
[21:06] <cwillu> andresmh, it's a combination of the kernel we're using, the fact that intel is moving to uxa pretty heavily, and gem support being quite new
[21:06] <bercik> cwillu: Ati radeon x300 mobility (M22), on i.e. Interpid it was ok
[21:07] <crdlb> :/ why isn't that in the release notes?
[21:07] <cwillu> crdlb, I know, I was just looking for that :/
[21:08] <cwillu> bercik, you need to use the open driver, as ati dropped support for older cards on the fglrx release that works with xorg 1.6, which we're using
[21:09] <cwillu> bercik, it should be working better than it used to though, there's been lots of improvements on the open driver
[21:09] <Nirrad1st> Hello, I was just wondering. When the full release comes out in a couple of days, will I have to re install from scratch or can The release candidate be up graded? And how  would I upgrade?
[21:09] <bercik> i need a good performance, what fglrx offers. And i am almost sure x300 is still supported
[21:09] <cwillu> Nirrad1st, normal package upgrade, nothing special
[21:10] <Nirrad1st> ok great thanks
[21:10] <cwillu> bercik, no, they're not, and the open driver's performance has been dramatically improved lately
[21:10] <cwillu> bug #284408
[21:10] <bercik> ok, so how could i install open driver?
[21:10]  * cwillu pokes ubottu with a stick
[21:11] <thiebaude> 284408
[21:11] <cwillu> bercik, I _think_ you should already be running it, but check that xorg.conf is either largely empty, or has a driver "ati" or driver "radeon" in the device section (either works, they're equivilent)
[21:11] <cwillu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/284408
[21:11] <cwillu> r3xx Hardware does not work with fglrx [EPR#257839]
[21:11] <cwillu> Targeted to  Jaunty   	  Won't Fix   	 Medium
[21:11] <bercik> ah.. i got about 1500 FPS, it sould be almost 3000
[21:12] <cwillu> fps in glxgears?  that doesn't mean much :p
[21:12] <cwillu> or anything, really
[21:12] <bercik> so i am goona try
[21:13] <crdlb> especially between different drivers
[21:13] <cwillu> bercik, consider this as an object lesson in the hazards of proprietary drivers :p
[21:13] <bercik> :)
[21:14] <bercik> Shouldnt fglrx-installer be in package manager?
[21:14] <minimec> bercik: Your card is not supported anymore... http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=2.4.2.3.4&lang=English
[21:14] <cwillu> bercik, xorg-driver-fglrx and company
[21:15] <cwillu> crdlb, hmm, I guess we have two sets of release notes :p
[21:15] <bercik> minimec: damn... they f**ked me now:*
[21:15] <bercik> :P
[21:15] <cwillu> crdlb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes doesn't mention it, but http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview#X.Org%20server%201.6 does
[21:16] <minimec> bercik: I am in the same situation as you ... Give the OS driver a chance. They will improve and there is Gallium *D to come...
[21:16] <bercik> You know, i was alraedy trying to install xorg-driver-fglr, but my X crashed
[21:17] <minimec> 3D ...
[21:17] <bercik> I want to give it a chance, but i have got problems with it
[21:17] <matisse> which device I have to choose for command-line burning?
[21:17] <crdlb> cwillu: it still doesn't explicitly mention the drop in support :)
[21:17] <matisse> /dev/cdrw is ok?
[21:18] <crdlb> just "for R6xx/R7xx"
[21:18] <cwillu> crdlb, what, saying that r6xx and r7xx can use fglrx isn't enough? :p
[21:18] <cwillu> crdlb, I'm reopening the release-notes target on the above bug :p
[21:19] <minimec> bercik: So you have to step back to intrpid or hardy. I have a x1250 working on intrepid.
[21:20] <bercik> minimec: maybe i just have problems with it. I installed xorg-driver-fglrx and Xorg crashed
[21:20] <bercik> Could You send me any good guide to do it?
[21:21] <cwillu> bercik, that's just the fglrx driver, which is the proprietary driver that we just told doesn't work with your card anymore :p
[21:21] <cwillu> bercik, you already have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed
[21:21] <cwillu> which is the one you need to use in jaunty
[21:21] <bercik> ah.. so it is NOT open!:D
[21:21] <cwillu> bercik, that's the problem!
[21:21] <cwillu> bercik, the open driver work fine
[21:22] <bercik> so once again: Could You send me any good guide to OPEN driver please?
[21:22] <cwillu> fglrx == ati's proprietary driver.  ati == the open source driver for ati's hardware
[21:22] <cwillu> bercik, you're almost certainly already running it
[21:22] <minimec> bercik: In a console 'sudo apt-get remove fglrx*' 2.) 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' 3.) sudo reboot
[21:25] <bercik> Ok, i have it done. Now i am going to check if it works. See You if it does:)
[21:30] <bercik> OK, it does:)
[21:31] <bercik> But not without problem. Look please http://rafb.net/p/HdkqsJ74.html
[21:32] <cwillu> bercik, repeat after me:
[21:32] <cwillu> bercik, "glxgears is not a benchmark"
[21:32] <bercik> I dont mean FPS
[21:32] <bercik> i mean the last two lines
[21:33] <cwillu> did it crash, or was that you closing the window?
[21:33] <bercik> cwillu: yes, i closed the window, but i never saw it i.e. On Gentoo
[21:34] <thiebaude> guess what everyone my x freezing is fixed
[21:34] <cwillu> bercik, that's normal when you close the window like that
[21:34] <cwillu> probably just a different default verbosity setting
[21:35] <bercik> if it is...
[21:35] <bercik> thank You :)
[21:35] <cwillu> bercik, try compiz :p
[21:35] <thiebaude> cwillu, i edit my xorg.conf and added "DRI" and "off" to the device section and it works now
[21:36] <bercik> cwillu: Why?
[21:36]  * BUGabundo remains hidden from cwillu stick
[21:37] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[21:37] <cwillu> bercik, better test of performance
[21:38] <BUGabundo> dtchen: did you know that hibernate /resume cycles totally mess pulse audio?
[21:38] <bercik> cwillu: ah .) i only use KWin
[21:38] <thiebaude> its nice to finally have a 9.04 desktop
[21:39] <minimec> cwillu: Hehe... Let me try that. I that  "Option" "DRI" "off" or just "DRI" "off"?
[21:39] <dtchen> BUGabundo: that's not pulseaudio's fault; that's alsa-kernel's
[21:39] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ahhh. do I need to file a bug?
[21:39] <dtchen> BUGabundo: probably not; there are at least a dozen against linux
[21:39] <BUGabundo> totem will not play now.... kmail neither! pidgin does work! and so does mplayer
[21:40] <cwillu> minimec, ati shouldn't have to turn off dri
[21:40] <minimec> cwillu: THX
[21:40] <dtchen> BUGabundo: you should be able to restart pulseaudio (killall pulseaudio && start-pulseaudio-x11)
[21:43] <thiebaude> minimec: yea and performance is great
[21:45] <BUGabundo> lol found a new bug
[21:45] <BUGabundo> cwillu or anyone else can you guys confirm:
[21:45] <BUGabundo> open system monitor and try to KILL a process owned by root
[21:45] <BUGabundo> it *should* ask for GKSU, but mine crashs
[21:46] <cwillu> checkibng
[21:46] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:46] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: hi
[21:46] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: hi
[21:46] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: can you confirm this: open system monitor and try to KILL a process owned by root
[21:46] <BUGabundo>  it *should* ask for GKSU, but mine crashs
[21:47] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: and it seems 9.04 uses less system resources
[21:47] <BUGabundo> yep I notice that too
[21:47] <thiebaude> its been 3 months since this had been broken
[21:47] <minimec> BUGabundo: thiebaude: I can confirm that Jaunty runs rather smooth...
[21:47] <cwillu> BUGabundo, yep, crashes
[21:48] <BUGabundo> cwillu thanks
[21:48] <thiebaude> minimec: so everything went ok
[21:48] <BUGabundo> filling bug
[21:48] <thiebaude> thanks for that link by someone earlier about the release notes
[21:50] <minimec> thiebaude: I have some random system freeces with Jaunty, but I guess it is compiz related and not GPU/xorg.conf ...
[21:51] <minimec> -c+z ..
[21:51] <thiebaude> minimec: i was reading in the release notes to turn off compiz until a fix is found
[21:51] <thiebaude> my intel 815 cant run compiz
[21:52] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/364843
[21:52] <minimec> thiebaude: I am on a testing installation here, so I don't mind.
[21:53] <thiebaude> minimec: and i know when my 9.04 cd arrives i'll do a clean install
[21:54] <michaeldelaney> Hi, quick question: if I'm running Jaunty Alpha/RC and I just keep running all the available updates up to and after the release of Jaunty, will I have the real Jaunty, or do I need to do a dist-upgrade?
[21:55] <thiebaude> michaeldelaney: as long as you keep doing the updates
[21:55] <minimec> thiebaude: why? They will install the fix in the package update. No reason to do a clean install...
[21:55] <thiebaude> minimec: thats true
[21:55] <FoolsRun> bleh. irssi for the lose.
[21:55] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: YES
[21:55] <FoolsRun> BUGabundo: yes to which part?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: to running updates (via update-manager
[21:56] <BluesKaj> FoolsRun , if you keep up the upgrades, you'll have the official release when it comes out on thurs
[21:56] <FoolsRun> BUGabundo: I have been, regularly, I was just wondering if the Alpha and RC versions of Jaunty were technically a different distro than the final
[21:56] <FoolsRun> okay, great
[21:56] <FoolsRun> BluesKaj: thanks
[21:57] <BluesKaj> np :)
[21:57] <thiebaude> hi BluesKaj
[21:57] <BluesKaj> hi thiebaude
[21:57] <FoolsRun> Then I get the joy of running a dist-upgrade on my server and finding out what it breaks :)
[21:57] <wirechief-live-k> if anyone is looking for an alternative to downloading the daily build for a fix with the usb startup disk program see [Bug 276822] Re: busybox with (initramfs) / boot: / kernel not found
[21:57] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: NO
[21:58] <minimec> FoolsRun: Use Debian Lenny or Ubuntu HArdy on a server and fool around with your worksatations... ;)
[21:58] <BluesKaj> FoolsRun , don't run dist-upgrade ...you already have the distribution , just need the upgrade
[21:59] <FoolsRun> BluesKaj: sorry, I'm talking about two different machines here.
[21:59] <Hammer89> are there any known issues with the 9.04 Beta and ATI GPU's? (I got a warning when I tried to install it about how I'm using fglrx and how it isn't available on 9.04
[21:59] <FoolsRun> minimec: I use the term "server" loosely. It's just a file/print/web/media-center machine I keep in the house. Doesn't do anything critical and I'm an early-adopter to a fault :)
[22:00] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: upgrade the server with $ do-release-upgrade -d
[22:00] <FoolsRun> BUGabundo: what's the difference?
[22:01] <for3st> there is no 32bit edition of jaunty server.. correct?
[22:01] <tormod> BluesKaj: dist-upgrade installs extra packages to satisfy dependencies, upgrade does not
[22:01] <minimec> FoolsRun: So it's more or less a well configured workstation. Once you have done the dist-upgrade you are using the version you upgraded to. The rest is just package update from the repository...
[22:02] <BluesKaj> !dist-upgrade
[22:02] <FoolsRun> You know what, I'll probably just use the dist-upgrade button in the gui and see how that goes.
[22:03] <BUGabundo> for3st: there should be! why are you saying that?
[22:03] <tormod> I think you are mixing up dist-upgrade and release-upgrade
[22:03] <minimec> Hammer89: These cards have no Jaunty support anymore http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.7&product=2.7.4.3.3.3.1&lang=English
[22:03] <FoolsRun> (plus making that rule for myself will keep me from trying to do a distro upgrade from work which last time hosed my machine pretty badly :) )
[22:03] <BUGabundo> FoolsRun: ubuntu is not like debian. distupgrade won't change release
[22:06] <Hammer89> minimec: I have an ATI Radeon Xpress 200M... which isn't on that list
[22:06] <Hammer89> minimec: wait.. it is on the list...
[22:06] <Hammer89> minimec: I assume this means it would be unwise for me to upgrade?
[22:06] <tormod> Hammer89: Xpress 200M should work fine with the opensource (and default) ati driver
[22:07] <tormod> those cards have no _proprietary driver_ support in Jaunty
[22:07] <for3st> BUGabundo: on preordering ship cd's , if you request jaunty server cd, says only 64bit version.. you can't choose as far as i can see.
[22:07] <Hammer89> tormod: Ah... yeah, I got a message saying 9.04 doesn't support fglrx
[22:08] <aLeSD> hi all
[22:08] <aLeSD> why I can't find cinelerra in the repository ?
[22:08] <minimec> Hammer89: If you are happy with hardy or intrepid... Never change a running system. I guess that there will be a lot of chages in the open source driver, as ATI released the specs for all these cards, specially the newer ones...
[22:08] <thots> Hammer89: Xpress 200m works fine here with the xorg radeon driver, 3d is slow though but works
[22:08] <Lasivian> how can I stop all windows from opening "mazimized"? the 9.04 netbook image does this by default and it's annoying the shit out of me
[22:09] <deany> anyone running vbox PUEL 2.2 from vbox site.. its an intrepid AND jaunty deb.  safe?
[22:09] <Hammer89> How is your performance compared to Intrepid?
[22:09] <minimec> Hammer89: Maybe wait until 9.10. I have a x1250 running here and I stay with driver 9.02!
[22:09] <tormod> "never change a running system" lol - you realize we're in #ubuntu+1 :)
[22:09] <RichardWolfVI> Hello, Jaunty is on RC, and just two days away from release, but X is crashing when playing videos, no matter which player I'm using.
[22:09] <BUGabundo> aLeSD: because its not there?
[22:09] <tormod> RichardWolfVI: intel GPU?
[22:09] <RichardWolfVI> tormod: Yes
[22:09] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: Intel GPU?
[22:09] <aLeSD> lol
[22:09] <Hammer89> minimec: I have a bad habit/addiction with staying on the bleeding edge
[22:09] <tormod> bhow could I guess
[22:10]  * BUGabundo hears an eco from tormod
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> INtel GMA X3500
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> *Intel
[22:10] <minimec> Hammer89: 9.02 is the official relase number of the ATI driver of february 09
[22:10] <BluesKaj> tormod , the dist-upgrade command may have been effective in the past but it hasn't been doing  a proper job lately  ,  apt-get upgrade and aptitude safe-upgrade have worked ok, without too many probs so far.
[22:10] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: what file system? ext4 ?
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: ext3, as far as I'm concerned
[22:10] <Lasivian> tormod: After april 23rd what do we talk about in here?
[22:10] <Lasivian> Ubuntu 10.x?
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> Killer Kangaroo :P
[22:10] <kklimonda> Lasivian: 9.10
[22:10] <RichardWolfVI> X'D
[22:11] <Lasivian> kklimonda: it is out yet in any form?
[22:11] <tormod> Lasivian: after release this channel is aliased to "ubuntu" for a while, then it reopens for 9.10
[22:11] <Lasivian> ahh, ok
[22:11] <BUGabundo> Lasivian: it will be closed for a while!
[22:11]  * tormod hears echos :)
[22:11] <minimec> Hammer89: I tried the Jaunty Live CD with my x1250. THe OPenSource driver was not was not able to display 1680x1050
[22:11] <BUGabundo> tormod: please stop !! eheeehehehehe
[22:12] <Hammer89> minimec: I'm running 1280x800
[22:12] <bercik> cwillu: My Guild Wars game, doesnt run well with the open driver. Is it its fault or my conf?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> 2nd time? that's too much eehehe
[22:12] <tormod> minimec: you should file a bug
[22:12] <minimec> Hammer89: That should go.
[22:12] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo, tormod: any ideas?
[22:12] <Hammer89> I guess I'll try it out... I'm kinda considering a fresh install, anyway
[22:13] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: there are a bunch of serious intel bugs! just check launchad
[22:13] <Hammer89> worst case... I'll just reinstall Intrepid
[22:14] <Hammer89> is running upgrade-manager -d an advisable method for installing 9.04?
[22:14] <minimec> tormod: There is so much going on with the ATI OpenSource driver and the x1250 integrated chipset was (and is) sold for intel and ati solutions. I guess we have to wait a little bit... But I will file a bug in 9.10 ...
[22:14] <dtchen> Hammer89: yes
[22:14] <kklimonda> Hammer89: sure - most of the 9.04 release is ready.
[22:14] <tormod> BluesKaj: dist-upgrade always worked fine with me. but when it says it's gonna remove a lot of seemingly important packages, I wait a bit and "update"'s again.
[22:14] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: I'm aware there are bugs, where should I start?
[22:15] <kklimonda> RichardWolfVI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[22:15] <Hammer89> alrighty... upgrade has begun. Hopefully I wont find any reason to return here... cya
[22:16] <tormod> RichardWolfVI: or read the last days' logs for #ubuntu-x. I have heard about your problem somewhere.
[22:16] <whattey> is upgrade-manager -d how u do it from terminal? thinking of upgrading myself
[22:16] <pastah> yo
[22:16] <pastah> i have a bug report
[22:16] <dtchen> whattey: do-release-upgrade -d
[22:16] <BluesKaj> tormod , I never heard that apt-get upgrade didn't bring required dependencies along with it ..perhaps the sources.list was wrongly edited
[22:16] <kklimonda> !bug > pastah
[22:17] <tormod> BluesKaj: I was unclear: I mean "upgrade" will not update packages whose dependencies will bring in new or remove packages
[22:17] <tormod> *whose _new_ dependencies
[22:17] <BUGabundo> whattey: yes it works from both cli and alt+F2
[22:17] <cwillu> whattey, sudo apt-get install update-manager-core; sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:17] <BUGabundo> whattey: please read the release notes BEFORE upgrading
[22:18] <BUGabundo> whattey: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[22:18] <RichardWolfVI> tormod: Where are such logs
[22:18] <RichardWolfVI> ?
[22:18] <tormod> RichardWolfVI: irclogs.ubuntu.com
[22:19] <pastah> WTF!?!?
[22:19] <pastah> i don't want to register to report a bug!
[22:19] <BUGabundo> pastah: its required
[22:19] <BUGabundo> pastah: what seems to be your prob?
[22:19] <pastah> fuck, here i try to do good, and i'm met by obstacles
[22:20] <tormod> RichardWolfVI: actually bemasc in #intel-gfx just asked about the same
[22:20] <tormod> right now
[22:20] <pastah> kinda kills my good spirit
[22:20] <BluesKaj> !language | pastah
[22:20] <cwillu> aptitude full-upgrade is preferred over apt-get dist-upgrade, it handles dependencies better
[22:20] <cwillu> neither should be used directly to upgrade between releases
[22:21] <pastah> BUGabundo: trying to install with wubi in swedish Vista Business (64 bit)
[22:21] <BUGabundo> cwillu correction update-manager is the recommended
[22:21] <pastah> then i get a typ error for a call to "writelines()"
[22:21] <cwillu> BUGabundo, addition, not correction :p
[22:21] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:22] <pastah> this only happends whin i want to install ubuntu in another language than swedish
[22:22] <BUGabundo> pastah: well that account won't hurt you too much will it?
[22:22] <pastah> BUGabundo: yes it will
[22:22] <pastah> fuck this, i'll install freeBSD insead
[22:22] <whattey> upgrading now \o/ hope not too much breaks ;D
[22:22] <BUGabundo> one less troll
[22:23] <kklimonda> *nods*
[22:23] <BUGabundo> whattey: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[22:23] <cwillu> wait, did he just say that he was going to install bsd because _wubi_ didn't work!?
[22:23] <thiebaude> lol,wubi in windows too
[22:23] <BUGabundo> cwillu don't know! let me read it letter by letter
[22:23] <BluesKaj> good luck witrh bsd ,,if he can't handle wubi , he's in trouble already :)
[22:23] <whattey> aye reading it now
[22:24] <RichardWolfVI> !paste
[22:25] <mphill> Are the karmic repos created when the tool chain is uploaded?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> mphill: yes
[22:26] <dtchen> they're created before the toolchain is uploaded.
[22:26] <dtchen> (they have to exist before any uploads can occur)
[22:27] <mphill> i need karmic
[22:27] <dtchen> s/need/want/
[22:27] <mphill> i'm an ubuntu addict
[22:27] <dtchen> well, you could help with iso testing
[22:27] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:28] <BUGabundo> mphill: use PPAs
[22:28] <mphill> BUGabundo: you should pastebin yours
[22:28] <tormod> mphill: run debian unstable
[22:28] <BUGabundo> some ppl seem to think we need a rolling disto like debian sid
[22:28] <mphill> sid
[22:28] <BUGabundo> mphill: don't want to scare you
[22:28] <mphill> i think they mentioned something liek sid a few years back
[22:28] <dtchen> "grumpy"
[22:28] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:29] <BUGabundo> dtchen: is that the new unstable?
[22:29] <mphill> i would like KMS
[22:29] <dtchen> no
[22:29] <mphill> and brtfs
[22:29] <mphill> maybe oracle will change the license on zfs and dtrace
[22:30] <dtchen> geez, can we get any more buzzwords tossed about in here? ;-)
[22:30] <bercik> Is it possible, that open ati driver couses Guild Wars crash using wine ?
[22:31] <dtchen> bercik: yes, it's possible.
[22:32] <bercik> dtchen: so, "bye bye" games on Linux? i cannot use fglrx
[22:33] <kklimonda> berbmit: it's hard to say - you should try to debug crash and file bug report..
[22:35] <cwillu> bercik, again, welcome to the world of proprietary stuff that we can't really support.  Might check winehq if there's anything relevant though, if it's the application that's crashing, it's really more likely to be a fault in the app or in wine
[22:36] <kklimonda> berbmit: also make sure that you are using the most recent version of wine
[22:36] <cwillu> I mean, yes, changing the driver shows the fault, so the driver is at fault, but....
[22:36] <ienorand> Slight problem here... 45 broken packages, apt-get segfaults when run, synaptic wants to uninstall half my system if I try to fix broken packages...
[22:36] <kklimonda> berbmit: there is ppa for wine on LP. Also winehq provides repository for ubuntu/debian
[22:36] <cwillu> ienorand, during an upgrade from 8.10?
[22:36] <bercik> cwillu: i play GW since years, always was ok with fglrx driver, never with open once
[22:37] <cwillu> bercik, doesn't mean a thing though
[22:37] <Volkodav_> ber2
[22:37] <kklimonda> ienorand: paste your sources.list on http://paste.ubuntu.com/, also message from apt-get would be helpful
[22:38] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: is there a ppa? what is it?
[22:38] <deany> anyone running vbox PUEL 2.2 from vbox site.. its an intrepid AND jaunty deb.  safe?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> I thought Scott only kept a version on winehq
[22:38] <mphill> go to winehq.org
[22:38] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine
[22:39] <ienorand> cwillu: Just running jaunty now... I had a hiccup with ro-mounting filesystem before but after a manual fsck from recovery mode it seemed to work fine... Hmm, stuff like core-utils, cron and dbus (to mention a few) being broken doesn't bode well...
[22:39] <dtchen> deany: yes, it's safe
[22:40] <dtchen> deany: it'll use dkms to build the kernel modules for jaunty's kernel headers
[22:40] <kklimonda> ienorand: it doesn't sound good - can you show us whole error message and your sources.list?
[22:40] <dtchen> deany: and yes, i'm using it right now for iso testing of ubuntu studio
[22:41] <yoasif> somewhat OT, but what would stop a release happening in two days?
[22:41] <deany> dtchen, thanks
[22:41] <dtchen> yoasif: nuclear holocaust
[22:42] <ienorand> kklimonda: Do you know how I can list broken packages using terminal? I can't get them in nice output from synaptic... sources.list :: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/RUQ1LJ
[22:44] <Picklesworth> Hey... has anyone else noticed notify-osd's bubbles being invisible, from time to time?
[22:44] <Picklesworth> Especially volume control ones. Usually if the mouse has been motionless for a while, the notification bubble just doesn't appear.
[22:44] <kklimonda> ienorand: hmm.. how are they broken? Ie. you can't upgrade them because of some unmet dependencies or everything went to hell while you were upgrading and apt-get asks you to run ``dpkg --configure -a'' ?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> Picklesworth: did you left the mouse over it ?
[22:45] <ienorand> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/sfi3wK < this is what aptitude says kklimonda
[22:46] <Picklesworth> BUGabundo: nope. Mouse is on the other side of the screen.
[22:46] <BUGabundo> Picklesworth: I've noticed it sometimes I get 2 volume bubles
[22:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: does it still only shows `dpkg --configure -a' ?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> it was fixed to add SUDO
[22:47] <ienorand> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/Tukrpq < this is what happens to apt kklimonda
[22:47] <Picklesworth> Funny thing with my problem is the bubbles will appear if I mouse over where they should be, so it's like they are starting with alpha set to 0 but still very much exist
[22:48] <kklimonda> ienorand: oh.. and what happens when you do ``sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'' ?
[22:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i don't know :). I never really stop to read it. :)
 cwillu: Just running jaunty now... I had a hiccup with ro-mounting filesystem before but after a manual fsck from recovery mode it seemed to work fine... Hmm, stuff like core-utils, cron and dbus (to mention a few) being broken doesn't bode well...
[22:48] <cwillu> ienorand, what was the hiccup?
[22:49] <cwillu> ienorand, fsck just gets the filesystem itself in a good state, it doesn't say anything about the contents of the file system
[22:49] <BUGabundo> ienorand: do you get just dpkg --configure -a or sudo dpkg --configure -a?
[22:49] <cwillu> ienorand, if apt or dpkg was in the middle of writing something, I'm not surprised that things are in that state
[22:49] <BUGabundo> if the 1st then it's a regression
[22:50] <ienorand> Hmm. strange... seems to have been a temporary hiccup, now after running apt-get update everything is fine, seemingly
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I got that some months agot
[22:51] <BUGabundo> looked like a corrupted apt DB, but then it just worked
[22:52] <ienorand> Oh, the thing before was that in the middle of operation I culdn't write to sources.list (hmm, but I think I've run update since then...) and then as I rebooted I got several warning about system being read-only, then it booted up read only and I had to go into recovery... running manual fsck...
[22:54] <ienorand> It may be that my usb stick doesn't like having ubuntu run from it directly...
[22:54] <kklimonda> oh, you have installed it on usbstick?
[22:55] <ienorand> kklimonda: Yea, I boot and run of it... and I did disable swap an put tmp in ram... but I guess it might be taxing still...
[22:56] <kklimonda> ienorand: It is possible that something has happened and kernel decided to remount filesystem in read only mode. It has happened to me few times when I was using cheap usb pendrive (but it was vfat partiton)
[22:59] <ienorand> kklimonda: True, but as I ran fsck it prompted several times for correcting inconsistencies (I don't know how much ss normal though...), I'm running this one on ext4, so I guess I'm begging for it...
[22:59] <Szadek> hello everybody , i really need help ... i upgraded to jaunty rc and sound dont work anymore =/ someone can help???
[23:00] <nemo> Szadek: what release were you using before that?
[23:00] <dtchen> Szadek: first, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, ...?
[23:00] <Szadek> 8.10 intrepid
[23:00] <Szadek> ubuntu
[23:00] <Szadek> i have also kde 4.2 installed
[23:00] <dtchen> Szadek: ok, first thing you should do is open a Terminal and use alsamixer
[23:01] <dtchen> Szadek: make sure you do not have Master, PCM, Front, or Surround muted or zeroed
[23:01] <Szadek> in alsa mixer everything fine
[23:03] <Szadek> http://pastebin.ca/11 here is my aplay -l output
[23:03] <kklimonda> wrong link
[23:04] <Szadek> sorry for that
[23:06] <Szadek> szadek@Leviathan:~$ aplay -l
[23:06] <Szadek> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[23:06] <Szadek> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
[23:06] <Szadek>   Subdevices: 0/1
[23:06] <Szadek>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[23:06] <Szadek> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital]
[23:06] <Szadek>   Subdevices: 1/1
[23:06] <Szadek>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[23:06] <Szadek> here is
[23:06] <Chr|s> whoa!
[23:06] <Szadek> my pastbin is not working also lool
[23:06] <Chr|s> !enter | Szadek
[23:06] <Szadek> sorry for flooding
[23:06] <Zelut> so I installed 9.04 RC today and my audio is all h0rked. Is the current suggested trick to pull out Pulse?
[23:07] <Chr|s> !pastebin | Szadek
[23:07] <Chr|s> for the future :)
[23:07] <BUGabundo> zelut where are you ?
[23:07] <Szadek> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/155585/
[23:08] <Szadek> working =)
[23:08] <Zelut> BUGabundo: excuse me?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> hey!
[23:08] <BUGabundo> you need to ping dtchen
[23:08] <BUGabundo> he has one nick here and another on identica
[23:08] <Zelut> dtchen: ping
[23:08] <dtchen> Zelut: pong
[23:09] <dtchen> Szadek: that's not enough info to diagnose.
[23:09] <Zelut> dtchen: as you can see, I was referred your way for an audio issue.
[23:09] <Szadek> dtchen what else you need ??
[23:09] <Zelut> dtchen: just installed 9.04RC today, applied all updates. I get playback on login (the drums) but nothing beyond that.
[23:09] <Picklesworth> Hooray! Audio has magically become crackle free on my end :)
[23:09] <dtchen> Szadek: please use (in a Terminal): ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[23:09] <dtchen> Szadek: please use that command to file a bug, and then tell me the bug #
[23:10] <Picklesworth> (Just confirmed it, realizing I was listening to music without cringing)
[23:10] <dtchen> Zelut: sounds like either your mixer volumes are muted/zeroed, or PA is using the wrong sink(s)
[23:10] <dtchen> Zelut: sounds like either your mixer volumes are muted/zeroed, or PA is using the wrong sink(s)
[23:10] <dtchen> ok then
[23:11] <Zelut> dtchen: Master, PCM and Front are unmuted. 100%. PC Beep is muted.
[23:11] <dtchen> Zelut: what's the output from: pactl stat|grep ^D
[23:11] <Zelut> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/d3e0e9bb4
[23:12] <dtchen> Zelut: please pastebin output from: amixer
[23:13] <Zelut> dtchen: http://pastebin.com/d25744159
[23:13] <Zelut> dtchen: interesting.. I'm getting sound from last.fm, but not Skype
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ahh skype!
[23:15] <Zelut> dtchen: ..and setting Skype to "pulse" now fixes that..
[23:15] <BUGabundo> Zelut: where is that skype from?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> Zelut: even Mic ?
[23:15] <Zelut> BUGabundo: I did skype from Medibuntu. no mic support yet..
[23:16] <Zelut> BUGabundo: ohh, those were just muted.
[23:16] <Szadek> dtchen : Bug #364879 =)
[23:16] <dtchen> there will be a new version of Skype soon with PulseAudio support
[23:17] <Zelut> dtchen: BUGabundo: I guess I got it. I guess I assumed/blamed Pulse too quickly.
[23:17] <kklimonda> sigh, sound is so borked for me since pulseaudio transition that I don't even care about it anymore.. :/
[23:17] <kklimonda> well, my internal mic is borked but still.. ;}
[23:18] <dtchen> Szadek: in a Terminal: amixer set 'Analog Loopback',0 mute && amixer set 'Analog Loopback',1 mute
[23:19] <Szadek> done
[23:19] <Szadek> and now ?
[23:19] <dtchen> Szadek: speaker-test -c2
[23:20] <BUGabundo> Zelut: I have better luck with medibuntu skype-static
[23:20] <BUGabundo> I'm on 64 bits, so it helps
[23:21] <Szadek> it is doing something ... i didint stopped yet
[23:21] <Szadek> it didnt *
[23:21] <dtchen> Szadek: right, so it's probably going to the wrong sink
[23:21] <dtchen> Szadek: can you confirm at least the following is audible? speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0
[23:22] <Zelut> wtf. I unmute my mic, close volume control, re-open and its muted again
[23:22] <Szadek> no sound happening ....... it says : Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[23:22] <dtchen> Szadek: try: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0
[23:24] <Szadek> nothing happened , also says Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[23:24] <dtchen> Szadek: sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[23:24] <Zelut> ok. what the hell. I made a Skype test call and it worked. now I can't get it to work again.
[23:25] <dtchen> skype does dumb things behind the user's back with mixer controls.
[23:25] <Szadek> done and now ?
[23:25] <dtchen> Szadek: pastebin the output, please
[23:26] <Szadek> dtchen :http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/155592/
[23:26] <BUGabundo> Zelut: so is that identica avatar yours?
[23:27] <Zelut> BUGabundo: is it me? no. i found it someplace and thought it was funny.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:27] <darthanubis> Install cds boot on my machine, but once I press "install" the screen goes blank with an upper left underscore cursor.
[23:27] <Szadek> i should refer this , is happening in gnome & kde
[23:27] <darthanubis> Same disk i installed 9.04 before I put windows on this machine
[23:28] <nemo> darthanubis: do any of the other boot options work?
[23:28] <darthanubis> after I installed windows first, now the ubuntu install cd for desktop and alternate will not get to the install screen
[23:28] <dtchen> Szadek: pkill knotify4
[23:28] <darthanubis> although the same disk(s) work on my other nvidia enabled 64bit machine
[23:28] <Szadek> done and now ?
[23:28] <darthanubis> nemo, no, I tried check this cd for defects...wait
[23:28] <darthanubis> I think the memtest runs
[23:28] <darthanubis> but not sure at this point
[23:29] <nemo> darthanubis: I was thinking more a safe boot
[23:29] <nemo> say with acpi=off and noapic
[23:29] <nemo> although odd that it worked before windows install
[23:29] <nemo> that should be unrelated
[23:29] <dtchen> Szadek: retry the speaker-test command
[23:29] <Szadek> again Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[23:30] <darthanubis> nemo, I know. I'd hate to wipe my fresh xp64bit install that I setup for gaming, just to see if I can get 9.04 back on this machine
[23:31] <darthanubis> all my other install disks from other distros works fine
[23:31] <darthanubis> I'll try safe boot
[23:32] <Szadek> dtchen :again Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy : i tried the two commands you gave
[23:34] <wirechief-live-k> Szadek: maybe this will let you see whats making it busy...lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[23:35] <Szadek> wirechief-live-k http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/155595/
[23:35] <dtchen> Szadek: please wait a few minutes; i'll need to walk through this with you when i'm finished iso testing
[23:36] <Szadek> ok dtchen =)
[23:37] <Skapare> darthanubis: the order of installation I find works best when making dual-boot windows+linux systems is do partitions first, then install windows, then install linux
[23:38] <Zelut> dtchen: ok. I'm stuck on no input..
[23:38] <wirechief-live-k> Szadek: well that tells a bit of a story ..best to wait on dtchen
[23:38] <Skapare> and windows goes on the first partition of the first drive
[23:38] <Szadek> wirechief-live-k : he is my hope on this =) i need my music to live lool
[23:40] <wirechief-live-k> Szadek: there is a similar bug with no sound on a HP not sure if its related. 363870
[23:40] <wirechief-live-k> bug 363870
[23:44] <dtchen> wirechief-live-k: it's not related. different hardware (HDA codecs revisions)
[23:45] <dtchen> Szadek: your bug is a kernel one; it's a jack sense regression
[23:45] <dtchen> Szadek: you should be able to work around it by using the latest alsa-driver git snapshot
[23:45] <dtchen> Szadek: i'll see what i can do to get the fixes into an SRU post-jaunty-release
[23:46] <Szadek> ohh well i think if i have to compile im lost lool but ill try the script that installs the alsa driver 1.0.19
[23:46] <Szadek> someone posted that on the bug that wirechief said so lets see if it helps
[23:46] <dtchen> 1.0.19 is too old
[23:47] <dtchen> you need current git
[23:47] <Szadek> i have 1.0.18 installed maybe this is the reason
[23:47] <kklimonda> dtchen: there is no ppa with this? More people may come and ask about it and making them compiling alsa-driver from source isn't good idea..
[23:48] <Szadek> Driver version:     1.0.18rc3 // Utilities version:  1.0.18
[23:48] <dtchen> kklimonda: there is no ppa, and doing it in a ppa is the wrong way.
[23:48] <Othor> none of my nautilus scripts are working, is this a known issue?
[23:48] <kklimonda> dtchen: so we should just tell people to wait for sru?
[23:48] <dtchen> kklimonda: it's a linux bug, not an alsa-driver one. note the subtlety: in ubuntu, bugs against alsa-driver are only useful for scripts. actual "no sound" issues are really either linux or pulseaudio.
[23:49] <dtchen> kklimonda: no, they should continue to file bugs against linux, and the bugs will be triaged appropriately
[23:49] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:50] <dtchen> kklimonda: for the appropriate bugs, i'll work on getting the fixes backported for SRUs
[23:50] <kklimonda> dtchen: ok, thanks.
[23:50] <dtchen> any fix that requires a massive change is obviously nixed for an SRU
[23:51] <Szadek> humm , let me try reboot with last kernel before updated to jaunty ... brb ............
[23:51] <kklimonda> dtchen: as we are already on this topic - my internal mic gathers more noise than my voice.. ;}
[23:51] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: reduce Boost?
[23:51] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: then i can hardly hear myself.
[23:52] <dtchen> kklimonda: without knowing additional details, i have no idea
[23:52] <BUGabundo> its a sensitive issue
[23:52] <BUGabundo> when I use a mouth mic I have no trouble
[23:52] <BUGabundo> with built in I have to fine tune until it wors
[23:52] <kklimonda> dtchen: how can i gather more info? I don't feel comfortable with linux sound system :)
[23:53] <dtchen> kklimonda: either "ubuntu-bug alsa-base", or use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[23:53] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I was trying to tune it for few hours doing some weird voodoo magic and nothing really helped.
[23:53] <kklimonda> dtchen: fine, i'll do it tomorrow
[23:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I like to have pauvcontrol... it helps me watch how load it goes