| robsta | hiya | 14:16 |
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| kwwii | hi robsta | 14:17 |
| SiDi | hello | 14:17 |
| robsta | thorwil, around? | 14:18 |
| thorwil | robsta: no, i have to go outside, reste vom efeu von einer garagenwand abkratzen :} | 14:41 |
| thorwil | back in 1 or 2 hours | 14:41 |
| robsta | thorwil: have fun, good work so far, but we need to talk about composite widgets | 14:42 |
| thorwil | robsta: back | 16:53 |
| robsta | thorwil: so, composite widgets don't work just by drawing them up | 16:54 |
| thorwil | robsta: i know that's why i added a layer | 16:55 |
| robsta | oh? tell me more | 16:55 |
| thorwil | robsta: the different arrows and buttons for SpinButton and ComboBoxEntry are free standing on the widget-graphics layer | 16:55 |
| thorwil | robsta: but have the base widget graphic as background on a "context" layer | 16:56 |
| thorwil | robsta: one more layer that needs to be hidden on export, but you can work on the sub-widgets in context | 16:56 |
| robsta | hmm | 16:57 |
| robsta | not sure i get it | 16:57 |
| thorwil | robsta: get the latest pioneer.svg, please | 16:57 |
| robsta | thorwil: there is no "export" | 16:57 |
| thorwil | robsta: btw, you should subscribe to receive commit messages | 16:57 |
| robsta | thorwil: everything is done when the theme is loaded, things are located via plates | 16:58 |
| robsta | thorwil: so we would need overlapping plates | 16:58 |
| thorwil | robsta: what i meant with export is editing time vs using-time ;) | 16:58 |
| robsta | ok | 16:58 |
| thorwil | robsta: we already need to hide the background layer, right? at least to get alpha for rounded edges and such | 16:59 |
| robsta | i think so | 16:59 |
| robsta | thorwil: just looking at the plates, things make more sense now | 16:59 |
| robsta | thorwil: but the up/down spin-button-arrow need to be on separate plates | 17:00 |
| thorwil | robsta: ok | 17:01 |
| thorwil | robsta: i wonder if those plates should have the exact size of the sub-widget graphics, or the size of the desired active area or what? | 17:01 |
| robsta | thorwil: size of the active area | 17:03 |
| thorwil | ok | 17:03 |
| robsta | thorwil: arrows are drawn using CSS "background-image" | 17:03 |
| thorwil | robsta: i will adjust the plates now. also started CheckButton yesterday | 17:04 |
| thorwil | robsta: how is the entry drawn, then? | 17:05 |
| thorwil | entry part of spinbox | 17:05 |
| robsta | thorwil: that is an actual GtkEntry | 17:05 |
| robsta | thorwil: but we have to hack things, so the arrow appear inside | 17:05 |
| robsta | thorwil: will be challenging | 17:06 |
| thorwil | robsta: sounds confusing. but the arrows will be drawn on top of the GtkEntry graphic, with proper alpha? | 17:07 |
| robsta | thorwil: not sure yet | 17:07 |
| robsta | thorwil: we need an entry that doesn't have the right border | 17:07 |
| robsta | or better, the GtkSpinButton plate must not cover the arrows | 17:08 |
| robsta | so basically spin-button will have 3 plates, "entry", "arrow-up", "arrow-down" | 17:08 |
| robsta | the problem will then be that arrows are not redrawn when focus moves into the entry | 17:09 |
| robsta | so we need a hack | 17:10 |
| robsta | (if at all possible) | 17:10 |
| robsta | thorwil: drop me a mail if you have any questions, i'm monitoring the repo | 17:12 |
| thorwil | ok | 17:12 |
| thorwil | so now the standing questions is whether it will be slicing or layering for the arrows | 17:13 |
| robsta | thorwil: ? | 17:13 |
| thorwil | robsta: what we just went through. starting one line above your "not sure yet" ;) | 17:14 |
| robsta | thorwil: let me use my mad graphics skills http://www.gnome.org/~robsta/tmp/spin-button-plates.png | 17:16 |
| robsta | this is how the plates will have to be arranged | 17:16 |
| thorwil | robsta: with no overlap. that's slicing, then | 17:17 |
| robsta | ok | 17:17 |
| robsta | yes, sub-widgets are separate, not drawn on top of each other | 17:18 |
| thorwil | so the "spin and combo context" layer can go. actually makes this simpler to handle | 17:18 |
| robsta | yes, things are not composed in gtk | 17:19 |
| robsta | everything is arranged in tiles, which makes it so hard to have sub-widgets appear "inside" | 17:20 |
| thorwil | but it means you need to stretch the arrows for taller SpinButtons :( | 17:20 |
| thorwil | robsta: couldn't you do a composite of the arrow background with arrow graphics that won't be stretched before passing that on? | 17:21 |
| robsta | thorwil: think not, have to investigate | 17:24 |
| thorwil | ok. i see the Human Spinbox has the focus frame drawn around the entry part, excluding the arrows. now i know why. sucks | 17:25 |
| robsta | thorwil: afaik the spin button just draws arrow primitives next to the entry part | 17:25 |
| robsta | thorwil: not saying it's impossible but needs hacks | 17:26 |
| thorwil | i was under the impression all about gtk themeing is a hack? ;) | 17:26 |
| robsta | that'd be too harsh | 17:27 |
| robsta | it has its roots in the pre-css era, that explains a lot | 17:27 |
| robsta | just like retrofitting css onto netscape 4 was problematic ... | 17:28 |
| robsta | thorwil: anyway, will the theme stay with hard corners? | 17:28 |
| robsta | or could we get like 3 px roundings some day? | 17:28 |
| robsta | the arrows look very pointy too | 17:28 |
| thorwil | robsta: drawing "traditional" arrow buttons wouldn't be a problem. easy way out regarding focus, but still the stretching problem | 17:29 |
| thorwil | robsta: this theme has hard corners to be nonbuntu and to speed up the creation | 17:30 |
| thorwil | robsta: if you really want changes you shall have them, but i would prefer to pull this through to then have a round of what-would-robsta-like | 17:31 |
| robsta | thorwil: sure, maybe once i'm about to use it as my main theme | 17:32 |
| thorwil | robsta: i expect a need for tweaks once we can see it in use in any case | 17:32 |
| robsta | thorwil: i'll try to set up a theme this week, so at least TheWidgetFactory works | 17:34 |
| thorwil | good | 17:35 |
| robsta | ok, see you | 17:38 |
| thorwil | cya! | 17:38 |
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