[00:08] Anyone in here have the jaunty kernel git repo? [00:10] kees: I would be happy if we could document all distinct jaunty issues though; it's one thing not to manage to have them working, but another to be aware of it ;-) [00:10] kees: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/364345 is what I filed so far [00:10] Launchpad bug 364345 in linux "Misses many important kernel configs" [Undecided,New] [00:11] Apart of the cups bug [00:11] kees: Should I file more bugs for the apparmor side of the issues? [00:11] lool: okay, cool. I just filed 364358 and flipped 364290 to "apparmor" instead of kernel. [00:12] Thanks! [00:12] lool: np, thanks for helping me debug it :) [00:12] kees: I'm happy to give you remote access to an installed system if that can help further testing if you like [00:13] lool: if possible, that'd be great. I'd like to debug why the one of the qrt tests fails too (unrelated to all this stuff). [00:13] kees: Do you have IPv6? [00:14] lool: I don't have an ipv4/v6 gateway set up, and neither of my ISPs support it :( [00:14] That's ok [00:14] jameswf: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty.git [00:21] statik: ping [00:21] statik: you going to be at the MySQL O'Reilly conf this week? [00:22] mneptok: do you mean the Oracle-SQL O'Reilly conf ? :-) [00:28] spm: i mean the MariaDB .5 Conference. 1.0 is next year. ;) [00:28] heh === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [00:42] soren: fyi, ubuntu-server ISOs are going to be respun; linux-server needs to be moved from main to restricted now that it depends on linux-restricted-mumble-tweet [00:42] kirkland: ^^ (not sure who all is doing ISO testing this round) [01:39] hey folks, can anyone help me to report a bug in jaunty? [01:40] i don't know the cause of it, in wich application, i just know the symptom [01:41] Pretto, whats the symptom? [01:42] the problem is that all video player closes when i have "Virtual 2560 800" in Xorg's display section [01:43] sorry, in the screen section cody-somerville [01:43] think we should mess with the apt-get -moo easter egg on ubuntu? [01:44] No, it deserves not to be messed with :-) [01:45] well apt-rpm messed with it [01:49] It doesn't look like a cow :( [01:49] apt-rpm's -moo is more cow-like [01:51] and it says "Use the moo, Luke" [01:51] http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/426298-post14.html [01:52] aptitude's moo support is better :) [01:53] There's an open bug about the realism of the cow. [01:54] any help cody-somerville ? [01:54] Pretto, Filing it against the apps that crash is probably a good start [01:55] cody-somerville, so i must filing every video player? [01:55] You can't possibly have tried *every* video player, have you? [01:55] Pretto, Maybe xorg-server would be better than [01:56] cody-somerville, what about mplayer, vlc, xine, gxine, gnome-mplayer [01:56] Pretto, just file it against xserver-xorg [01:56] cody-somerville, ok [01:56] thank you [02:31] mneptok: no, unfortunately i won't be there [02:34] slangasek: have updated the release notes, in case there is a respin, please remove it [03:01] statik: grim. :( [03:58] Rafik_: net problems? [04:00] I've been wondering about that myself. Based on the timing I would guess it's because of long WHO replies or something. [04:01] slangasek: i can do some iso testing tomorrow [04:02] slangasek: mathiaz is at the mysql conference in santa clara [04:02] slangasek: i can cover for him [04:02] slangasek: are the iso's ready now? [04:02] slangasek: my cronjob should pick them up at 6am tomorrow [04:03] kirkland: I think it's been some time since he respun, so I'd guess they are. [04:03] kirkland: they're ready now, yes [04:03] serial 20090421.1 [04:03] slangasek: oh, great, then i have them now [04:03] slangasek: i've been informally testing them already, then, and haven't hit anything yet. i'll make sure to record my results tomorrow [04:04] yay [04:06] slangasek: how's the blood pressure this release? [04:10] kirkland: a little bit higher after finishing this coffee; but reasonable overall [04:11] slangasek: good to hear then, overall ;-) [04:26] Full test coverage for ubuntustudio disks, all tests have had at least one result. [06:31] LaserJock: ffmpeg is not allowed to be on any ISOs (bug #364440); we need to either cut kino out of edubuntu, or ffmpeg out of kino [06:31] slangasek: yeah, I just got the bug [06:31] ok [06:32] I'm reviewing Debian bug #457988 now, to see which approach is actually sensible [06:32] hmm, seems to be fairly core functionality for kino, so that doesn't help [06:34] we also have kino seeded on the DVD and on ubunutstudio [06:34] ubuntustudio, too [06:34] Debian bug 457988 in kino "kino: Please add Recommends: ffmpeg" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/457988 [06:39] slangasek: how about we drop it? [06:39] drop which? [06:39] slangasek: would that cause too much mess? [06:39] slangasek: kino [06:40] it's been part of the DVD seed in Ubuntu for quite a while, so I'm inclined to think that it would be better to drop the recommends on ffmpeg [06:40] slangasek: I mean, we can bump ffmpeg to Suggests but LP already has bugs from people requesting ffmpeg as they can't import videos without it [06:40] slangasek: ok [06:40] but leaving things as-is, and having ffmpeg just not pulled in unless you have the network available, might also be acceptable [06:41] I'm going to wait for cjwatson to wake up so I can get his opinion [06:41] LaserJock: do I have your permission to proceed with whatever edubuntu changes are appropriate, to match what we decide for the other images? [06:41] slangasek: yes [06:41] okie [06:41] slangasek: I don't have any special affinity for it. It's a bit dead and buggy. [06:42] slangasek: but if we can keep it that's good to as it is our only video editing software [06:42] ah, heh [06:42] seems to be a common problem in educational software [06:43] "dead upstream, kinda buggy, but darn it, it's all we got" [06:45] sbeattie: in the case of an edubuntu install w/o network, does the install complete, or does it bail because ffmpeg's deps can't be satisfied? [06:48] slangasek: using the add/remove installer, it asks if you'd like to attempt install anyway, even though some packages couldn't be found; if you say okay (vs cancel) it does successfully install. [06:48] (just libavcodec52 doesn't get installed) [06:52] good morning [06:55] sbeattie: hrm, it installs ffmpeg without libavcodec52? [06:56] that would be a deeper bug, the deps shouldn't allow that [06:57] slangasek: sorry, I take that back, it did not install ffmpeg [06:57] ok; that's what I expected [07:02] Good morning [07:03] asac, kees: yes, pam-foreground has gone for good for ages; our CK has a compatibility patch which creates the /var/run/console/* stamps [07:25] pitti: morning [07:49] TheMuso: can you please apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/155171/ to the ubuntustudio ship seed? [08:02] hi [08:07] asac: hey, you already had the patched libxcb for 220628 on your ppa.. mind pushing that to jaunty-proposed? [08:21] persia: can iso files be used to install from a card reader too? === mkorn is now known as thekoern_ === thekoern_ is now known as thekorn_ === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [08:26] mdke: if you can boot from the card reader, sure? [08:28] slangasek: ok, thanks. [08:35] pitti: we don't have a DVD seed [08:36] TheMuso: well, the alt seed, which only fits on a DVD. [08:36] TheMuso: yes, it needs to be applied to the ship seed [08:37] TheMuso: right, as I said, ship seed [08:37] oops, what the others said [08:39] woops, we had that in there, but it got lost somehow. [08:39] * TheMuso sighs, a respin means more testing tomorrow. [08:41] yes, sorry [08:41] np [08:41] pushed [08:41] this should have been caught a long time ago; we apparently had this in intrepid too [08:42] As I said, I caught it for studio earlier in jaunty, and addressed it, however some fiddling with the seeds recently to put the RT kernel back in again somehow got it lost. [08:42] TheMuso: depending on what we decide (when cjwatson wakes up), we will probably need one more change to ubuntustudio seeds plus an ubuntustudio-meta upload; will you be around to help with that? [08:43] slangasek: I can be. [08:43] ok, thanks [08:44] Oh well, at least it will mean the others don't have to re-test, and testing again for me is no big deal. [09:03] how can i set the owner:group and the permissions for a directory (/var/lib/appname) when i build a debian package? [09:04] i build a deb-package for a django-web-application [09:09] is there no debian team for such things, with documentation? [09:20] c [09:23] d [09:30] evand: hi, are you there? [09:30] ogra: hm, the UNR stick still fails to be recognized on my wife's PC [09:30] (from the BIOS) [09:31] pitti, but the machine can boot from usb ? [09:31] ogra: yes [09:31] hmm [09:31] ogra: but it looks like the partition table is totally screwed [09:31] oh, it's mounted as a raw device [09:31] aww [09:31] so that isn't a normal usb HD for the bios [09:31] it should only have one vfat partition [09:31] but rather like an USB CR-ROM? [09:31] evand: it's about a bug (310804) on usb-creator. You did commited a fix, but the bug is still witht the issues and the fixes are there since 3 weeks. could you or someone commit the fix, please? [09:32] ogra: well, it doesn't have any kind of partition table _at all_ [09:32] * pitti tries with USB-CDROM or USB-FDD [09:32] thats really strange [09:32] if you plug it into your ubuntu machine it should be automounted [09:35] ogra: yes, automounting works, but as I said, raw device (/dev/sdb) [09:35] ogra: I got it to boot with "USB-CDROM" in the BIOS [09:35] TheMuso: please unseed kino from ubuntustudio; we're keeping the recommends as-is [09:35] ogra: but now I get a "boot:" prompt and nothing happens [09:35] TheMuso: which means it can't go on the ISOs [09:35] ogra: and if I press "enter", it says image "linux" not found [09:35] what does file say about the image ? [09:36] slangasek: Right, I guess I need to re-upload meta then. [09:36] oh, wait, you get a bootprompt [09:36] TheMuso: correct [09:36] ogra: yes, it's the syslinux prompt, I assume [09:37] yeah, hmm, and there shouldnt be a partition table actually [09:37] * ogra just checked his image ... [09:37] slangasek: Ok so why are we removing kino? Is it pulling in libavcodec via another package as well? [09:37] TheMuso: yes, kino Recommends: ffmpeg [09:37] and the recommends: is logically correct [09:37] slangasek: Right, thanks. [09:38] ogra: hm, still works in KVM [09:38] ogra: perhaps the booting as "USB-CDROM" broke syslinux somehow [09:38] not sure, it shouldnt write to it, should it ? [09:38] ogra: and I agree, it'd probably be more robust to have a standard partition table and a bootable partition, then the bios woudl just recognize it as a normal hd [09:39] yes [09:39] we do that for the armel image [09:39] slangasek: ok unseeded, let me rebuild meta [09:39] TheMuso: yep, thansk [09:39] it has two partitions ... but the mobile and UNR images used to work that way still [09:40] so its a bit weird that your machine doesnt boot it [09:40] TheMuso: please close bug #364440 in the changelog [09:40] Launchpad bug 364440 in ubuntustudio-meta "edubuntu-desktop installs ffmpeg which depends on libavcodec52 but is not on install media" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364440 [09:40] slangasek: gotcha [09:40] * TheMuso gives meta five to rebuild. [09:41] ogra: I played with this silly Award bios some more; USB-CDROM/USB-FDD don't work, but USB-HDD works [09:41] ogra: s/works/boots/; but with -HDD I get the broken lilo prompt [09:42] ogra: usually (with a partition) I don't select any USB-* stuff, it just appears as a normal hard disk [09:42] * pitti tries to boot in his Dell, bbl [09:42] well, USB-HDD should dtrt [09:45] slangasek: would it not make sense to drop the ffmpeg recommendation from kino? [09:46] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457988 was why recommends were added to kino [09:46] Debian bug 457988 in kino "kino: Please add Recommends: ffmpeg" [Normal,Closed] [09:46] ah [09:46] righto [09:47] ogra: hah, it boots on my Dell [09:47] yay [09:47] but given that there seem to be BIOSes out there that cant boot unpartitioned we should consider a partitioning scheme for KK for UNR [09:47] pitti, can you file a bug for that ? [09:47] StevenK, ^^^^ [09:48] we have the code on cdimage already for the armel live image so shouldnt be to hard to re-use that [09:49] ogra: will do, when I add my testing results to the ISO tracker [09:49] slangasek: woo hold on, we actually also seed ffmpeg. I guess I'd better unseed that as well. [09:49] great [09:49] TheMuso: yes [09:50] * TheMuso restarts meta build [09:51] slangasek: we also ship ffmpeg2theora. Is that also affected? [09:51] thats in universe however [09:52] I like that UNR starter, it's really nice [09:52] although it does depend on libavcodec52 so I guess its affected. [10:00] ogra: back to my normal system; do you have a LP project for the UNR image builder? [10:01] TheMuso: sadly, yes [10:01] pitti, ubuntu-cdimage should work for a start [10:01] slangasek: np removed, and meta is rebuilding seed lists. [10:02] * TheMuso is not bothered by all this removal, but knows the studio video user community may be less than happy. :) [10:07] ogra: done, bug 364506 [10:07] Launchpad bug 364506 in ubuntu-cdimage "UNR does not boot: no partition table" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364506 [10:07] thanks [10:08] also recorded in iso tracker [10:08] pitti: is apport already disabled in jaunty?? [10:09] mnemo: yes [10:09] ah ok [10:11] tjaalton: is jaunty-proposed already open? [10:12] asac, yes [10:12] * ogra uploaded to it already [10:13] ogra: thanks. [10:13] tjaalton: so yeah. i can push that to -proposed [10:15] pitti: there seems to be something really odd going on with the at_console thing [10:15] asac: --verbose ? [10:16] Hi there. I have experienced a very bad system blocker on the latest upgrade of xorg in jaunty. The server crashes on startup and keyboard is locked. I reinstalled and it was there again. I reported basic info in bug #364488. I need to go to work now but could some of you take a look at the bug, ask more information etc? It might go in the release notes if there's no time to fix the bug right now. But it's very serious. [10:16] Launchpad bug 364488 in xorg "After some day of installation, Xorg won't start anymore (black screen and locked keyboard)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364488 [10:16] asac: excellent, thanks [10:17] pitti: sorry. my tbird hung. couldnt find the id so quickly: bug 360818 [10:17] Launchpad bug 360818 in network-manager-vpnc "NetworkManager.vpn fails -- nm-vpn-connection.c.900: NeedSecrets " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360818 [10:18] pitti: so both parties communicating have uid=0 [10:18] but dbus doesnt like that. interestingly, adding an allow for at_console suddenly makes that work [10:18] TheMuso: how's the upload coming? [10:19] slangasek: still waiting for meta to rebuild lists. Distance to the UK and bandwidth being used by downloaders is making things a little slower than normal. [10:19] bandwidth in this case is the DC bandwidth [10:19] my connection only has the rebuilding of lists using download bandwidth so my end is clear [10:19] pitti: is there a dbus log or soemthing i can enable to get more info about which rule matches for the user (and leads to a deny)? [10:19] TheMuso: oh; if that's an issue, I may be able to do it here faster, let's see [10:21] slangasek: I'm up to armel so it should be done in short order. ports.u.c is a little quicker than archive.u.c it seems [10:21] thats how it appears anyway [10:21] slangasek: done, packaging up and uploading. [10:21] TheMuso: ah, you win :-) [10:22] slangasek: uploaded [10:23] thanks [10:23] slangasek: thank you for bringing that to my attention. [10:23] no problem :) [10:24] Ok, unless there is antyhging else pressing, I'll test tomorrow, and I'll be off and on for the rest of the evening, but mostly off I'd say. [10:25] TheMuso: ok, later :) [10:28] ogra: do you know whether the OEM Services 8.04 UNR image was partitioned? (i.e. is bug 364506 a regression from that or not?) [10:28] Launchpad bug 364506 in ubuntu-cdimage "UNR does not boot: no partition table" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364506 [10:29] cjwatson, i dont think it was but i'm not sure [10:30] can you find out? [10:30] (or somebody on your team) [10:30] calc: i had something similar once, but that was a hal-state issue/bug i couldnt reproduce after reboot. [10:31] calc: if it persists for you after reboot, it would be precious if you could see which packages got updated in the last few days for you (as it worked before) [10:32] ogra: mdz says there's no partition table on the original UNR image either, so this can wait until karmic [10:33] cjwatson, oh, indeed, its wasnt intended for jaunty at all [10:33] cjwatson, we have code that produces partitioned images already and should be easy to port over, the bug was only thought as a reminder for KK [10:33] asac: you could try to start it in the foreground with sudo DBUS_DEBUG_OUTPUT=1 dbus-daemon --nofork [10:34] asac: (warning, untested) [10:34] cjwatson, another thing, what should happen if i boot a liveimage with oem-config/enable=true ? i seem to land in a normal live session here [10:35] pitti: ok. i ask [10:36] pitti: dan said that dbus might do funny things if root user is always "at_console" ... thats not the case right? [10:36] ogra: that's correct, but the installer will run in OEM mode when you start it; the first obvious visible effect of that will be that the title bar is different, and you get a text entry box on the first page asking you for an identifier for the current batch of machines [10:37] ah, k, i somehow was expecting a fullscreen installer [10:37] asac: no, root is not in fact "at_console" unless you have an open su - session [10:38] cjwatson, right, looks different, great [10:39] the extra text makes it a wee bit to big for 600 vertical pixels in german (half of the buttons are behind the panel) [10:39] pitti: interesting. [10:40] ogra: fullscreen is for "Install Ubuntu" mode, or if you use 'ubiquity --only' [10:40] ah, right [10:41] * ogra is impressed, seems to work so far on armel === foka_ is now known as foka [10:58] anyone know if the nvidia freeze bug is going to be fixed for jaunty ? or bug 355155 [10:58] Launchpad bug 355155 in linux "Computer hard locks randomly with ubuntu jaunty" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355155 [11:04] oly: unlikely [11:04] thats a shame, especially considering how many users have nvidia cards [11:05] does that mean we should use the ones from the nvidia site [11:05] oly: how about you contact nvidia about their drivers? [11:06] i could do, but really dont know what to report, its locks completely so no logs have errors [11:06] doesn't look like many people are hitting it, fortunately [11:07] oly: how are we supposed to be able to fix it, when we don't have the source to do so? [11:07] i'm not sure if/how you can get more logs though, seeing as i doubt nvidia provide debug symbols either? [11:07] Magic [11:07] yeah, thats true but devs generally have a better idea what to look for / report [11:08] oly: install the package "ssh" and connect into your machine from another machine... then after the lockup happens, save "dmesg" and "xorg.log" and send them to NVidia [11:09] ok, i will give that a try be intresting to see if that works [11:09] oly: beware though that nvidia purposely makes the log output suck because they don't print stacktraces etc because they dont have debug symbols... [11:10] nvidia-bug-report.sh is meant for sending bugs to them [11:10] mnemo: but it's a hard lock? [11:10] tjaalton: ahh, so there is a script! [11:11] Hobbsee: yes, it's their's and comes with the package [11:11] mnemo: i thought of suggesting ssh myself, but if it's properly hardlocked, it won't respond to commands by ssh either [11:11] do you run the script when i manage to ssh in or after i have had to reboot [11:11] tjaalton: one learns something new every day... [11:11] Hobbsee: :) [11:11] well by hardlock i mean keyboard / mouse does not work cant get to a terminal with ctrl + alt + f1 or anything like that [11:11] Hobbsee: xorg often hangs so that ssh still responds... but of course if the kernel hangs there isn't much to do [11:12] oly: it could be fixed in the new driver version (180.51) [11:13] is that making it into jaunty ? [11:13] guessing not now, synaptics shows 180.44 as latest in the repo [11:14] maybe as a backport [11:14] apparently it's a "prerelease" [11:15] okay, well i may wipe the machine anyway just to rule out something left over from a previous upgrade [11:25] anyway thxs for the ideas on how to debug :) [11:34] how odd. 7.10 desktop CD doesn't boot for me in kvm [11:35] bryce: where do I find info on what you need from i965 owners? [11:36] directhex, it probably knows that it's EOLed this week :) [11:36] ogra, i wanted to check something :/ [11:37] ogra, goes nuts & eats my CPU when isolinux should be doing something like shopwing a boot menu :/ [11:37] let's try the alt cd [11:37] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/359392/comments/92 [11:37] Ubuntu bug 359392 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965] X freezes starting on April 3rd" [Critical,Triaged] [11:38] Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-freeze-test also has descriptions === yofel is now known as yofel_ === yofel_ is now known as yofel__ === yofel__ is now known as yofel === Adri2000_ is now known as Adri2000 [12:30] mnemo: that's true. I had that for a while under intel [12:36] TheMuso: I'm tentatively pointing to http://ubuntustudio.org/9-04_release_note for Ubuntu Studio in the release announcement; does this look correct to you, and will content be available by Thursday? [12:37] slangasek: I have nothing to do with the website I'm affraid. [12:37] TheMuso: who do I talk to for that? [12:38] slangasek: I think either _MMA_ / Cory or luisbg whenever they are around. _MMA_ is not always in here, actually he hardly ever is in here however. [12:38] They should be around in a couple of hours if memory serves. [12:38] yes, I've noticed this :/ [12:38] luisbg: ping [12:39] TheMuso: well, luisbg is UTC-2 IIRC, so I guess he might be around (or at least awake) [12:39] slangasek: yeah [12:39] slangasek: and _MMA_ is on freenode, but not in any channels atm. [12:42] superm1: is http://mythbuntu.org/9.04/release [12:42] superm1: ...where you want me pointing for release? [12:46] TheMuso: something seems awry still with ubuntustudio; libavcodec52 has been successfully blacklisted, kino and ffmpeg2theora are off, but ffmpeg and the other ffmpeg libs are still there [12:51] TheMuso: however, the seeds look correct, so I guess this is my problem, not yours [12:57] slangasek: Germinate bug? [12:57] surely not [12:57] s/bug/problem/ [12:57] that, maybe [12:57] I did actually mean problem, silly tired brain [12:59] The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [12:59] amarok-common libfftw3-3 libtunepimp5 libifp4 libruby1.8 libnjb5 libofa0 [12:59] Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. [12:59] hrm, thats a freshly installed system ... (ubuntu-desktop) ... [13:02] ogra@oem-desktop:~$ LANG=C dpkg -l amarok-common [13:02] No packages found matching amarok-common. [13:02] mvo: why does it want to remove nonexisting packages ? [13:04] ogra@oem-desktop:~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get autoremove [13:04] ... [13:04] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [13:04] * ogra_babbage is confused [13:06] ogra_babbage: oh? hm, what kind of install is this? [13:07] thats an armel desktop install [13:07] (on the babbage board as you might guess by the nick) [13:07] i ran sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ... that got me the above autoremove msg [13:08] i dont get that message on any other apt action though [13:09] ogra: could you please run "sudo apt-get autoremove -o Debug::pkgAutoRemove=true" ? the output is probably long [13:09] ogra: what command did produce the autoremove message? [13:09] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [13:09] its the first three lines before it lists what it will install [13:10] ogra: interesting [13:10] funny, I suspect its a side effect of the resolver [13:11] the autoremove code checks if something is installed or marked for install [13:11] ergh, the debug settin spills a lot of output [13:11] It's a feature! [13:12] ogra: -o debug::pkgdepcache::autoinstall=true as well please [13:12] ogra: fwiw, i just tried to reproduce it in a chroot but was not able to [13:12] damned ... /me curses pidgin ... your commands are full of :P [13:12] mvo: It could be an armel thing? [13:13] it likely is [13:19] mvo, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/autoremove.log [13:20] the autoinstall=true option doesnt give any extra output [13:20] I forget... Where are the release notes? [13:22] soren: ttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes [13:24] Reading state information... Done [13:24] Garbage: amarok-common [13:24] Garbage: libfftw3-3 [13:24] Garbage: libtunepimp5 [13:24] Garbage: libifp4 [13:24] Garbage: libruby1.8 [13:24] Garbage: libnjb5 [13:24] Garbage: libofa0 [13:24] aha [13:33] slangasek: ta [13:34] soren: there's also the 'ubuntu-release-notes' project that can be used if you need to bring something to attention (throughout the release cycle) [13:35] slangasek: Clever :) [13:36] TheMuso: stopmotion *also* recommends ffmpeg [13:36] slangasek: IIRC, sbeattie requested that bug #359338 be in the release notes. looking at the bug, I don't see where that would be flagged [13:36] Launchpad bug 359338 in linux "apparmor paths are broken when using encrypted home on jaunty" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359338 [13:37] jdstrand: the 'ubuntu release notes' task at the top [13:38] * jdstrand still doesn't see the tag, but could be blind [13:38] oh, 'task' [13:38] duh [13:39] slangasek: anyway, as more people are using encrypted home and Private, more people will be affected by this [13:40] jdstrand: you don't need to advocate for it, I was just in the process of writing the release note for that one. :) [13:41] slangasek: :) [13:41] slangasek: thanks === xq_ is now known as xq [14:16] * TheMuso gulps. [14:16] slangasek: if I unseed, could you be so kind as to rebuild meta? [14:22] TheMuso: is unseeding the right thing here? That would seem to leave only dvgrab in the video seed [14:22] slangasek: I don't know what other option we have. Removing the recommends means diverting from debian. [14:23] and likely again removes functionality. [14:23] is that worse than having an empty video seed? [14:23] s/seed/task/ [14:23] I couldn't honestly say, since I'm not a user of such apps. [14:24] * TheMuso checks its source to see whether it actually uses ffmpeg in any way [14:24] TheMuso: point being that there's only one app left in the video seed after this change [14:24] it uses ffmpeg for exports [14:24] slangasek: Yes I know. [14:24] ok [14:25] my opinion is that it makes more sense to repopulate the video task, but drop the video task from the ISO [14:26] hrm ok thats a possibility, yes. [14:26] The only problem that might cause is the video task still appearing to be selectable at install time === asac_ is now known as asac [14:27] TheMuso: it would appear for installation IFF the ubuntustudio-video package is available, which will only be the case when network repos are available [14:27] slangasek: Right. [14:29] * TheMuso attempts to get in touch with other studio devs to see what they think. If not, my gut is we go for it, and deal with the fallout from the community later. [14:31] mvo: upgrading from 8.04 to 9.04 in kubuntu leaves guidance-power-manager (called kde-guidance-powermanager in hardy) installed, but it's marked as ForcedObsoletes in DistUpgrade tool, shouldn't it be removed? [14:32] Riddell: yes it should, could you mail me the main.log file please? === JayFo is now known as JFo [14:37] slangasek: If I don't get a response from anyone before meta gets rebuilt here, we go with the dropping of the video task, but still have it available in the repo etc. [14:37] TheMuso: ok; which way are you rebuilding meta, currently? [14:37] slangasek: which way? the way one always does with regenerating seed lists for a metapackage. [14:38] TheMuso: I mean, in which direction have you modified it [14:38] slangasek: in the seed branch, reverted the video seed back to what it was before I removed kino, ffmpeg etc, but removed video from a dependency of the ship seed [14:38] ok [14:41]