| nhandler | mdke: Thanks a lot for filling up my inbox ;) | 00:12 |
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| mdke | nhandler: hmm? | 00:17 |
| nhandler | mdke: You just edited half the wiki | 00:18 |
| mdke | nhandler: that goes in your inbox??? | 00:22 |
| mdke | anyway, yeah I've been doing some housekeeping :) | 00:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm interested to see how the doc team progresses after we have finished this housecleaning effort | 00:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think it's going to be a fun summer | 00:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm pumped :) | 00:41 |
| mdke | :) | 00:43 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, I'm not sure I can commit to the OpenWeek wiki session | 00:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | I may be able to make it and answer some questions, but I can't guarantee that I can have prep time to help prepare a session | 00:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | Too many things happening with work and life and all that, and I might be moving around that time | 00:53 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'd be happy to review anything you have and provide some input on it though if you'd like | 00:53 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: not to worry, I appreciate the offer of help, I will probably take you up on it :) | 00:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | cool | 00:54 |
| mdke | man it's got late | 00:55 |
| mdke | amazing how easy it is to edit wiki pages in bed | 00:55 |
| Rocket2DMn | amazing how easy it is to edit wiki pages and not go to bed! | 00:58 |
| mdke | yeah | 01:02 |
| mdke | that too | 01:02 |
| mdke | it's funny, some people have a good vibe about the discussions going on at the moment, and others don't | 01:09 |
| mdke | :( | 01:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | thats true mdke , but when you get lots of input, I think that is bound to happen | 01:20 |
| Rocket2DMn | overall I think we are moving in a positive direction | 01:20 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: let's hope so, optimism is the best policy | 01:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | heh, I know I keep bugging you about this, but I think you need to make a new thread on the forums for getting people involved | 01:36 |
| mdke | anyway, night | 01:36 |
| Rocket2DMn | gnight | 01:36 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: yeah. keep bugging me. I'd really like to have a mirror of the ubuntu-doc list on the forum with a sticky about getting involved | 01:36 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: but I gave up pestering Ryan about it after the first couple of years, dunno if you would have more luck | 01:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | I can stick whatever you want | 01:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm forum staff | 01:37 |
| mdke | I mean the mirroring bit | 01:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | you mean you want the emails to be posted on the forum somewhere? | 01:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think you're confusing me | 01:38 |
| mdke | yes, back in the old days it used to be done for the ubuntu-devel list | 01:39 |
| mdke | so that each mailing list thread appeared as a forum thread | 01:39 |
| mdke | I'd love something like that for the ubuntu-doc list, but I don't know if the functionality for doing it has been lost | 01:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't think that will fly these days, they are working on simplifying the forums, they won't want to add anything like that | 01:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | Sorry | 01:40 |
| mdke | ok, I appreciate the wish to simplify | 01:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think having an up to date thread in Tutorials and Tips will help, and perhaps one in the Development section at a key time in the dev cycle might catch some users, too | 01:40 |
| mdke | ok | 01:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | you can go to sleep now :) peace | 01:41 |
| mdke | ok, really good night now | 01:41 |
| j1mc | later, mdke | 01:41 |
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| mdke | morning all | 07:59 |
| bhuvan | hi mdke, morning! | 08:01 |
| mdke | hi there bhuvan | 08:18 |
| persia | mdke, At least my laptop can boot from SD (figuring this is a better forum) | 08:34 |
| persia | Where it gets tricky is that I don't know if we have any tools that can extract the contents of .iso images and put them on SD cards for internal readers today. | 08:35 |
| persia | I know usb-creator currently only supports USB-attached storage. | 08:35 |
| mdke | persia: sorry didn't notice you had joined here | 08:46 |
| persia | mdke, Understood: I'm rarely here, but thought it was only appropriate if I'm trying to write docs :) | 08:46 |
| mdke | persia: very pleased to have you indeed | 08:46 |
| persia | I can't promise much time :) | 08:47 |
| mdke | persia: ok, I see. what do you think about my last email then (except for the question about isos, which you've now answered) | 08:47 |
| persia | That aside, I'm just reading your email. | 08:47 |
| * mdke nods | 08:47 | |
| persia | While there are deficiencies in the tools, I'm not sure there's a lot of difference between various ways to attach flash media to a device. | 08:47 |
| persia | So, some tools are buggy, and can't write to USB or non-USB, etc. | 08:47 |
| persia | Or can't read .iso files or .img files. | 08:48 |
| persia | But I'm not sure that the total experience is that different. | 08:48 |
| persia | I still want a landing page, and based on your last email will create one (FromImgFiles), but I wonder if it's not worth reviewing the available tools, filing bugs, and trying to have a consistent solution for each of Ubuntu, foreign Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X that just does the right thing. | 08:49 |
| mdke | that would be a laudable long-term aim, definitely | 08:49 |
| mdke | although usb-creator's name in particular suggests a limited scope :) | 08:49 |
| mdke | ideally, there would be one tool for burning iso and img files to any media on all OSs :) | 08:50 |
| mdke | but that's a big project, I guess | 08:50 |
| mdke | in the short term, i guess we'll just have to do what we can | 08:50 |
| mdke | ok, I have to scoot off to work now, I'm be on email though | 08:52 |
| mdke | catch you later and thanks again for the work | 08:52 |
| mdke | persia: remind me at some stage to talk to you about bluetooth documentation too... :) | 08:52 |
| persia | heh. I've not followed bluetooth so closely this cycle, but I ought to be able to test stuff and help with that next week sometime. | 08:53 |
| persia | Have a good day, and I'll go poke some upstreams to try to get a tool working. | 08:53 |
| mdke | thanks :) | 08:53 |
| cody-somerville | mdke, Has a spec been scheduled for UDS yet? | 15:12 |
| persia | I've gotten some feedback that the term "flash media" used at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles is confusing. Does anyone have any recommendations on a good way to rephrase? | 16:05 |
| cody-somerville | removable media? | 16:08 |
| persia | Well, except CDs and DVDs are also removable, and you can't write .img files to them. | 16:08 |
| cody-somerville | Sure | 16:09 |
| cody-somerville | but Windows doesnt refer to CDs and DVDs as removable media IIRC | 16:09 |
| * cody-somerville is thinking of the removable media icon in the system tray | 16:09 | |
| persia | Hrm. I'm not sure I want to adopt Windows nomenclature when it conflicts with the traditional interpretation of English. | 16:10 |
| cody-somerville | I think you should say removable media and then explain how ISO files write to cds/dvds and this img file is for usb thumb drives, SD media, <insert other examples here>, etc. | 16:10 |
| persia | Yeah, I suppose I'll have to do that: I was hoping to avoid the explanation. | 16:12 |
| cody-somerville | OR better yet, just forget about SD cards | 16:12 |
| cody-somerville | And give instructions on how to install from USB Thumb Drives | 16:12 |
| persia | Well, the instructions aren't actually any different (except for some card readers that don't report the insert event) | 16:13 |
| cody-somerville | And then create another page for SD Cards and just have it redirect to USB Thumb drives | 16:13 |
| cody-somerville | Or another option is to go from the angle of "installing Ubuntu when CD/DVD isn't an option". Then you don't have to get technical, just say "If you can't install from CD/DVD, you can also do so using a usb thumb drive, SD card, or other types of removable media..." | 16:15 |
| cody-somerville | mdke, What do you think of getting rid of docbook and just using the wiki for documentation? | 16:18 |
| persia | cody-somerville, Except this isn't about the media used: it's about the format of the downloaded file. | 16:39 |
| persia | Depending on the download, people may well want this even when they have an optical drive available. | 16:40 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: on your first question, not to my knowledge. did you have a particular subject in mind? traditionally our specs don't get scheduled for UDS, because there aren't enough doc contributors attending | 19:45 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: on the second question, i think it would be nice, but can't see my way to how it could happen | 19:45 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: a sound system of importing documents from the wiki to the desktop help system is pretty difficult to achieve, at least for Gnome | 19:46 |
| mdke | upstream hasn't managed it, and they are working in a different direction at the moment (a simpler markup than docbook) | 19:46 |
| mdke | cody-somerville: maybe someone could pull it off though, I don't know | 19:47 |
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