[00:12] mdke: Thanks a lot for filling up my inbox ;) [00:17] nhandler: hmm? [00:18] mdke: You just edited half the wiki [00:22] nhandler: that goes in your inbox??? [00:23] anyway, yeah I've been doing some housekeeping :) [00:41] I'm interested to see how the doc team progresses after we have finished this housecleaning effort [00:41] I think it's going to be a fun summer [00:41] I'm pumped :) [00:43] :) [00:52] mdke, I'm not sure I can commit to the OpenWeek wiki session [00:52] I may be able to make it and answer some questions, but I can't guarantee that I can have prep time to help prepare a session [00:53] Too many things happening with work and life and all that, and I might be moving around that time [00:53] I'd be happy to review anything you have and provide some input on it though if you'd like [00:54] Rocket2DMn: not to worry, I appreciate the offer of help, I will probably take you up on it :) [00:54] cool [00:55] man it's got late [00:55] amazing how easy it is to edit wiki pages in bed [00:58] amazing how easy it is to edit wiki pages and not go to bed! [01:02] yeah [01:02] that too [01:09] it's funny, some people have a good vibe about the discussions going on at the moment, and others don't [01:09] :( [01:20] thats true mdke , but when you get lots of input, I think that is bound to happen [01:20] overall I think we are moving in a positive direction [01:35] Rocket2DMn: let's hope so, optimism is the best policy [01:36] heh, I know I keep bugging you about this, but I think you need to make a new thread on the forums for getting people involved [01:36] anyway, night [01:36] gnight [01:36] Rocket2DMn: yeah. keep bugging me. I'd really like to have a mirror of the ubuntu-doc list on the forum with a sticky about getting involved [01:37] Rocket2DMn: but I gave up pestering Ryan about it after the first couple of years, dunno if you would have more luck [01:37] I can stick whatever you want [01:37] I'm forum staff [01:37] I mean the mirroring bit [01:38] you mean you want the emails to be posted on the forum somewhere? [01:38] I think you're confusing me [01:39] yes, back in the old days it used to be done for the ubuntu-devel list [01:39] so that each mailing list thread appeared as a forum thread [01:39] I'd love something like that for the ubuntu-doc list, but I don't know if the functionality for doing it has been lost [01:39] I don't think that will fly these days, they are working on simplifying the forums, they won't want to add anything like that [01:40] Sorry [01:40] ok, I appreciate the wish to simplify [01:40] I think having an up to date thread in Tutorials and Tips will help, and perhaps one in the Development section at a key time in the dev cycle might catch some users, too [01:40] ok [01:41] you can go to sleep now :) peace [01:41] ok, really good night now [01:41] later, mdke === Taim_ is now known as Taim [07:59] morning all [08:01] hi mdke, morning! [08:18] hi there bhuvan [08:34] mdke, At least my laptop can boot from SD (figuring this is a better forum) [08:35] Where it gets tricky is that I don't know if we have any tools that can extract the contents of .iso images and put them on SD cards for internal readers today. [08:35] I know usb-creator currently only supports USB-attached storage. [08:46] persia: sorry didn't notice you had joined here [08:46] mdke, Understood: I'm rarely here, but thought it was only appropriate if I'm trying to write docs :) [08:46] persia: very pleased to have you indeed [08:47] I can't promise much time :) [08:47] persia: ok, I see. what do you think about my last email then (except for the question about isos, which you've now answered) [08:47] That aside, I'm just reading your email. [08:47] * mdke nods [08:47] While there are deficiencies in the tools, I'm not sure there's a lot of difference between various ways to attach flash media to a device. [08:47] So, some tools are buggy, and can't write to USB or non-USB, etc. [08:48] Or can't read .iso files or .img files. [08:48] But I'm not sure that the total experience is that different. [08:49] I still want a landing page, and based on your last email will create one (FromImgFiles), but I wonder if it's not worth reviewing the available tools, filing bugs, and trying to have a consistent solution for each of Ubuntu, foreign Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X that just does the right thing. [08:49] that would be a laudable long-term aim, definitely [08:49] although usb-creator's name in particular suggests a limited scope :) [08:50] ideally, there would be one tool for burning iso and img files to any media on all OSs :) [08:50] but that's a big project, I guess [08:50] in the short term, i guess we'll just have to do what we can [08:52] ok, I have to scoot off to work now, I'm be on email though [08:52] catch you later and thanks again for the work [08:52] persia: remind me at some stage to talk to you about bluetooth documentation too... :) [08:53] heh. I've not followed bluetooth so closely this cycle, but I ought to be able to test stuff and help with that next week sometime. [08:53] Have a good day, and I'll go poke some upstreams to try to get a tool working. [08:53] thanks :) [15:12] mdke, Has a spec been scheduled for UDS yet? [16:05] I've gotten some feedback that the term "flash media" used at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles is confusing. Does anyone have any recommendations on a good way to rephrase? [16:08] removable media? [16:08] Well, except CDs and DVDs are also removable, and you can't write .img files to them. [16:09] Sure [16:09] but Windows doesnt refer to CDs and DVDs as removable media IIRC [16:09] * cody-somerville is thinking of the removable media icon in the system tray [16:10] Hrm. I'm not sure I want to adopt Windows nomenclature when it conflicts with the traditional interpretation of English. [16:10] I think you should say removable media and then explain how ISO files write to cds/dvds and this img file is for usb thumb drives, SD media, , etc. [16:12] Yeah, I suppose I'll have to do that: I was hoping to avoid the explanation. [16:12] OR better yet, just forget about SD cards [16:12] And give instructions on how to install from USB Thumb Drives [16:13] Well, the instructions aren't actually any different (except for some card readers that don't report the insert event) [16:13] And then create another page for SD Cards and just have it redirect to USB Thumb drives [16:15] Or another option is to go from the angle of "installing Ubuntu when CD/DVD isn't an option". Then you don't have to get technical, just say "If you can't install from CD/DVD, you can also do so using a usb thumb drive, SD card, or other types of removable media..." [16:18] mdke, What do you think of getting rid of docbook and just using the wiki for documentation? [16:39] cody-somerville, Except this isn't about the media used: it's about the format of the downloaded file. [16:40] Depending on the download, people may well want this even when they have an optical drive available. [19:45] cody-somerville: on your first question, not to my knowledge. did you have a particular subject in mind? traditionally our specs don't get scheduled for UDS, because there aren't enough doc contributors attending [19:45] cody-somerville: on the second question, i think it would be nice, but can't see my way to how it could happen [19:46] cody-somerville: a sound system of importing documents from the wiki to the desktop help system is pretty difficult to achieve, at least for Gnome [19:46] upstream hasn't managed it, and they are working in a different direction at the moment (a simpler markup than docbook) [19:47] cody-somerville: maybe someone could pull it off though, I don't know