[00:12] <nhandler> mdke: Thanks a lot for filling up my inbox ;)
[00:17] <mdke> nhandler: hmm?
[00:18] <nhandler> mdke: You just edited half the wiki
[00:22] <mdke> nhandler: that goes in your inbox???
[00:23] <mdke> anyway, yeah I've been doing some housekeeping :)
[00:41] <Rocket2DMn> I'm interested to see how the doc team progresses after we have finished this housecleaning effort
[00:41] <Rocket2DMn> I think it's going to be a fun summer
[00:41] <Rocket2DMn> I'm pumped :)
[00:43] <mdke> :)
[00:52] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, I'm not sure I can commit to the OpenWeek wiki session
[00:52] <Rocket2DMn> I may be able to make it and answer some questions, but I can't guarantee that I can have prep time to help prepare a session
[00:53] <Rocket2DMn> Too many things happening with work and life and all that, and I might be moving around that time
[00:53] <Rocket2DMn> I'd be happy to review anything you have and provide some input on it though if you'd like
[00:54] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: not to worry, I appreciate the offer of help, I will probably take you up on it :)
[00:54] <Rocket2DMn> cool
[00:55] <mdke> man it's got late
[00:55] <mdke> amazing how easy it is to edit wiki pages in bed
[00:58] <Rocket2DMn> amazing how easy it is to edit wiki pages and not go to bed!
[01:02] <mdke> yeah
[01:02] <mdke> that too
[01:09] <mdke> it's funny, some people have a good vibe about the discussions going on at the moment, and others don't
[01:09] <mdke> :(
[01:20] <Rocket2DMn> thats true mdke , but when you get lots of input, I think that is bound to happen
[01:20] <Rocket2DMn> overall I think we are moving in a positive direction
[01:35] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: let's hope so, optimism is the best policy
[01:36] <Rocket2DMn> heh, I know I keep bugging you about this, but I think you need to make a new thread on the forums for getting people involved
[01:36] <mdke> anyway, night
[01:36] <Rocket2DMn> gnight
[01:36] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yeah. keep bugging me. I'd really like to have a mirror of the ubuntu-doc list on the forum with a sticky about getting involved
[01:37] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: but I gave up pestering Ryan about it after the first couple of years, dunno if you would have more luck
[01:37] <Rocket2DMn> I can stick whatever you want
[01:37] <Rocket2DMn> I'm forum staff
[01:37] <mdke> I mean the mirroring bit
[01:38] <Rocket2DMn> you mean you want the emails to be posted on the forum somewhere?
[01:38] <Rocket2DMn> I think you're confusing me
[01:39] <mdke> yes, back in the old days it used to be done for the ubuntu-devel list
[01:39] <mdke> so that each mailing list thread appeared as a forum thread
[01:39] <mdke> I'd love something like that for the ubuntu-doc list, but I don't know if the functionality for doing it has been lost
[01:39] <Rocket2DMn> I don't think that will fly these days, they are working on simplifying the forums, they won't want to add anything like that
[01:40] <Rocket2DMn> Sorry
[01:40] <mdke> ok, I appreciate the wish to simplify
[01:40] <Rocket2DMn> I think having an up to date thread in Tutorials and Tips will help, and perhaps one in the Development section at a key time in the dev cycle might catch some users, too
[01:40] <mdke> ok
[01:41] <Rocket2DMn> you can go to sleep now :) peace
[01:41] <mdke> ok, really good night now
[01:41] <j1mc> later, mdke
[07:59] <mdke> morning all
[08:01] <bhuvan> hi mdke, morning!
[08:18] <mdke> hi there bhuvan
[08:34] <persia> mdke, At least my laptop can boot from SD (figuring this is a better forum)
[08:35] <persia> Where it gets tricky is that I don't know if we have any tools that can extract the contents of .iso images and put them on SD cards for internal readers today.
[08:35] <persia> I know usb-creator currently only supports USB-attached storage.
[08:46] <mdke> persia: sorry didn't notice you had joined here
[08:46] <persia> mdke, Understood: I'm rarely here, but thought it was only appropriate if I'm trying to write docs :)
[08:46] <mdke> persia: very pleased to have you indeed
[08:47] <persia> I can't promise much time :)
[08:47] <mdke> persia: ok, I see. what do you think about my last email then (except for the question about isos, which you've now answered)
[08:47] <persia> That aside, I'm just reading your email.
[08:47]  * mdke nods
[08:47] <persia> While there are deficiencies in the tools, I'm not sure there's a lot of difference between various ways to attach flash media to a device.
[08:47] <persia> So, some tools are buggy, and can't write to USB or non-USB, etc.
[08:48] <persia> Or can't read .iso files or .img files.
[08:48] <persia> But I'm not sure that the total experience is that different.
[08:49] <persia> I still want a landing page, and based on your last email will create one (FromImgFiles), but I wonder if it's not worth reviewing the available tools, filing bugs, and trying to have a consistent solution for each of Ubuntu, foreign Linux, Windows, and Mac OS X that just does the right thing.
[08:49] <mdke> that would be a laudable long-term aim, definitely
[08:49] <mdke> although usb-creator's name in particular suggests a limited scope :)
[08:50] <mdke> ideally, there would be one tool for burning iso and img files to any media on all OSs :)
[08:50] <mdke> but that's a big project, I guess
[08:50] <mdke> in the short term, i guess we'll just have to do what we can
[08:52] <mdke> ok, I have to scoot off to work now, I'm be on email though
[08:52] <mdke> catch you later and thanks again for the work
[08:52] <mdke> persia: remind me at some stage to talk to you about bluetooth documentation too... :)
[08:53] <persia> heh.  I've not followed bluetooth so closely this cycle, but I ought to be able to test stuff and help with that next week sometime.
[08:53] <persia> Have a good day, and I'll go poke some upstreams to try to get a tool working.
[08:53] <mdke> thanks :)
[15:12] <cody-somerville> mdke, Has a spec been scheduled for UDS yet?
[16:05] <persia> I've gotten some feedback that the term "flash media" used at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles is confusing.  Does anyone have any recommendations on a good way to rephrase?
[16:08] <cody-somerville> removable media?
[16:08] <persia> Well, except CDs and DVDs are also removable, and you can't write .img files to them.
[16:09] <cody-somerville> Sure
[16:09] <cody-somerville> but Windows doesnt refer to CDs and DVDs as removable media IIRC
[16:09]  * cody-somerville is thinking of the removable media icon in the system tray
[16:10] <persia> Hrm.  I'm not sure I want to adopt Windows nomenclature when it conflicts with the traditional interpretation of English.
[16:10] <cody-somerville> I think you should say removable media and then explain how ISO files write to cds/dvds and this img file is for usb thumb drives, SD media, <insert other examples here>, etc.
[16:12] <persia> Yeah, I suppose I'll have to do that: I was hoping to avoid the explanation.
[16:12] <cody-somerville> OR better yet, just forget about SD cards
[16:12] <cody-somerville> And give instructions on how to install from USB Thumb Drives
[16:13] <persia> Well, the instructions aren't actually any different (except for some card readers that don't report the insert event)
[16:13] <cody-somerville> And then create another page for SD Cards and just have it redirect to USB Thumb drives
[16:15] <cody-somerville> Or another option is to go from the angle of "installing Ubuntu when CD/DVD isn't an option". Then you don't have to get technical, just say "If you can't install from CD/DVD, you can also do so using a usb thumb drive, SD card, or other types of removable media..."
[16:18] <cody-somerville> mdke, What do you think of getting rid of docbook and just using the wiki for documentation?
[16:39] <persia> cody-somerville, Except this isn't about the media used: it's about the format of the downloaded file.
[16:40] <persia> Depending on the download, people may well want this even when they have an optical drive available.
[19:45] <mdke> cody-somerville: on your first question, not to my knowledge. did you have a particular subject in mind? traditionally our specs don't get scheduled for UDS, because there aren't enough doc contributors attending
[19:45] <mdke> cody-somerville: on the second question, i think it would be nice, but can't see my way to how it could happen
[19:46] <mdke> cody-somerville: a sound system of importing documents from the wiki to the desktop help system is pretty difficult to achieve, at least for Gnome
[19:46] <mdke> upstream hasn't managed it, and they are working in a different direction at the moment (a simpler markup than docbook)
[19:47] <mdke> cody-somerville: maybe someone could pull it off though, I don't know