[00:30] <christian_> Hi...what will be the difference in the new notification system as 8.10?
[00:32] <christian_> I tried to install the prerelease but it didnt even boot
[00:32] <christian_> :\
[00:34] <charlie-tca> I don't think will see a big difference from the users view. Most of it is behind the scenes.
[00:34] <christian_> hm...i heared there was some rumour because of this and many users wanted the old one back...
[00:36] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: hey to test i need to install daily image?
[00:37] <charlie-tca> yes, either on hardware or in a virtual machine
[00:37] <Kangarooo> couse i have already daily image from 10 april .. i installed that one and working on it now..
[00:37] <christian_> im very new to the ubuntu thing so im stupid...is there a way to completly encrypt the aprtitions?
[00:37] <charlie-tca> You need to test today's images. Too much has changed since 10 april.
[00:37] <Kangarooo> ou.. :( i dont want reinstall..
[00:37] <charlie-tca> !daily
[00:38] <charlie-tca> christian_: yes, you can do an encrypted installation, using the entire disk
[00:38] <christian_> is it point and click or shell-wizard magic?
[00:39] <zoredache> christian_: it is pretty easy to setup
[00:39] <charlie-tca> It is using the alternate installation cd, so it is command line, but there are nice graphics to help you
[00:40] <zoredache> you just need to choose the correct item off a menu and let it do its work for you...  If you want a complex configuration things can get difficult
[00:40] <christian_> ah
[00:40] <Kangarooo> ok 3h to download
[00:40] <Kangarooo> ill learn to backup fast data :)
[00:41] <christian_> when i install the current prerelease does it upgrade itself when the final version gets out?
[00:41] <Kangarooo> ouh and can i use ext4 on partial drive? 1st is wind..
[00:41] <charlie-tca> yes, christian_
[00:41] <christian_> :D
[00:41] <zoredache> having good backups is strongly reccomended... if you loose your passphrase you are sol...
[00:41] <Kangarooo> imean partition?
[00:41] <charlie-tca> You just run the updates
[00:41] <charlie-tca> I don't think I would use ext4, Kangarooo
[00:41] <christian_> what would be the preferred filesystem for encryption?
[00:41] <charlie-tca> It does still have some issues.
[00:42] <Kangarooo> passphrases? what pass[rases?
[00:42] <charlie-tca> christian_: ext3 also
[00:42] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: the passphrases are for encrypted drives.
[00:43] <Kangarooo> i have ext4 on ubuntu 9.04 old computer and pretty good.. but other laptop is with needed files so if ext4 can make BIGbadBoom hen i wont :)
[00:43] <christian_> so everything gets encrypted besides /boot, right?
[00:43] <zoredache> christian_: yes
[00:43] <christian_> nice
[00:44] <zoredache> christian_: unless you make things different on purpose
[00:44] <Kangarooo> maybe u can tell whats best backup way? or programm?
[00:44] <christian_> so prepare for new world order on my machine ;)
[00:44] <christian_> at least a little less paranoia
[00:45] <Kangarooo> and will it also save all programms? or names of installed programms from synaptic? so with one click i cann install all them again?
[00:45] <zoredache> it seems like they would simply install a hardware based keylogger, and wait for you to reboot...
[00:45] <christian_> is there also a daily build for [X]ubuntu?
[00:45] <Kangarooo> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[00:46] <christian_> cool...
[00:46] <charlie-tca> !daily
[00:46] <christian_> oh...a nice bit to play...
[00:46] <charlie-tca> you need the /dail/ if you are going to encrypt
[00:46] <Kangarooo> with wat to backup my xubuntu files and folders? and programms?
[00:46] <charlie-tca>  /daily/
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: I have recommended back up solutions.
[00:47] <charlie-tca> I have *no*
[00:47] <christian_> some of you said i need the alternate install but there is only the desktop version :\
[00:47] <zoredache> shouldn't that be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[00:48] <zoredache> ubottu: you need to learn how to be more context sensitive... when you are in #xubuntu you should talk about ubuntu
[00:48] <zoredache> err, xubuntu rather
[00:48] <christian_> hehe
[00:49] <christian_> is there also a hardened kernel in ubuntu-land....like the one in gentoo perhaps?
[00:49] <charlie-tca> crap, yes
[00:49] <zoredache> Kangarooo: I like rsync, dirvish, partimage, dd, or tar depending on the specific needs of the backup
[00:49] <charlie-tca> It used to, too
[00:49] <Kangarooo> i dont wanna mees with firefox and pidgin files.. and i want all programms to be in place..
[00:50] <christian_> do you mean me, charlie?
[00:51] <charlie-tca> yes, christian_ . Please use the xubuntu daily image
[00:52] <Kangarooo> zoredache: whitch saves all destop and music folders? and also saves all programms? or saves names of programms and on getting it back it installs them back?
[00:52] <christian_> oki....thank you for your kind help
[00:52] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: might be a bad idea, you may wind up reinstalling all your programs if you reinstall
[00:53] <christian_> uh...one question left...is there even a smaller desktop system of ubuntu?
[00:53] <zoredache> christian_: you could try and use flux, or lxde
[00:53] <Kangarooo> im downloading daily Desktop.. its ok? or for tests is needed alternate?
[00:54] <charlie-tca> christian_: I think xubuntu is the smallest one out, with a GUI. There is the server image, which doesn't have a GUI.
[00:54] <charlie-tca> Tests are needed for both, Kangarooo
[00:54] <Kangarooo> ok :)
[00:54] <christian_> i know...but im searching for a slick desktop version
[00:54] <zoredache> Kangarooo: to get a backup of what packages you have install with apt you can use 'sudo dpkg --get-selections > package_selections'
[00:54] <christian_> so far xubuntu is fine for me, but who knows better...
[00:57] <Kangarooo> ouh so if i havent installed with synaptic then i wont see? so i wont get backup for packeges with .debdownloads and command line installs?
[00:57] <zoredache> Kangarooo: anyway it sounds like you need to make a backup of /etc, /home, and /var/lib/dpkg.  What device/media do you have available to backup too?
[00:57] <zoredache> Kangarooo: yes, that will get synaptic add/remove programs stuff as well...
[00:57] <Kangarooo> i have another partition - window.. but safer would be to other pc witch has ubuntu 9.04
[00:58] <n2diy> what's the trick to playing dvds? I've installed the VLC player, installed libdvdread, and ran the script, but still no joy?
[00:59] <Kangarooo> zoredache: and will i also get with that command stuff installed with .deb and with command line?
[00:59] <zoredache> Kangarooo: it should... you could run the command to get the selections and look... Just open the file in a text editor
[00:59] <Kangarooo> i mean will that command show stuff with has been intalled with command line
[01:00] <zoredache> Kangarooo: the best way to know is simply to try it and check
[01:00] <Kangarooo> i did that command but it didnt do anything
[01:01] <Kangarooo> sudo dpkg --get-selections > package_selections
[01:02] <zoredache> it created a file named package_selections
[01:02] <zoredache> open it
[01:04] <christian_> do you know the name of the hardened kernel? I dont find infos...
[01:05] <Kangarooo> ah in /usrname folder :) yes there are many and even witch i haven intalled but are needed.. i some easy way to get only what ive been checking in add remove and  sysanptic?
[01:08] <zoredache> Kangarooo: I that information may exist, but I am not sure how to get too it easily
[01:08] <Kangarooo> yes it shows all witch has been installed from apt-get and syanptic and add remove and .deb files but that files contains too much info.. i would like 4 example only thouse who ive installet - so without dependent pacakges.. and best way would be with dates?.. full calendar type info
[01:09] <Kangarooo> ok so sadly this is little too much time taking file when ill try to find witch i have installed and witch i need..
[01:09] <Kangarooo> aah maybe i just can pop that file in system? to read and install.. ?
[01:09] <charlie-tca> Should be the same kernel
[01:09] <christian_> uh...i found it: sudo aptitude install selinux ....there we go
[01:10] <charlie-tca> I never have installed selinus, myself.
[01:10] <zoredache> well if you simply open that file you should be able to pretty easily remove all the stuff you don't recognize
[01:10] <christian_> but i dont know, if this is 'just' the nsa patches....even dont know if i should trust nsa :\
[01:11] <zoredache> christian_: the sourse is available... if you are paranoid you can look through the source, and you can even rebuild the packages from scratch
[01:11] <christian_> or i should go to the doctor ...with my paranoia
[01:13] <christian_> well i hope the crowd is better than mine....so i give it a try in a feew minutes
[01:14] <christian_> then i need tor-router...
[01:17] <christian_> vpn because of my wep-encrypted-wlan...
[01:17] <christian_> what else do i need to be as secure as possible?
[01:18] <zoredache> you need a faraday cage
[01:18] <christian_> ah...yes...because of mind-reading issues, right?
[01:19] <christian_> hehe
[01:19] <zoredache> best to have one that is for your entire computer room, a second around your computer, and a third around your head....  It is the only way to be sure
[01:19] <christian_> lol
[01:20] <christian_> and then they got me because of a key logger
[01:21] <zoredache> well see that is the trick.  You have to basically soldier all your peripherals like your keyboard and mouse directly to the motherboard...   That way they can't quickly just insert a device inline
[01:21] <christian_> then im accused by Paris Hilton because I downloaded and watched her naked poppin...
[01:21] <zoredache> of course they might just choose to torture you
[01:22] <christian_> I already have an orange dress for that purposes
[01:23] <christian_> whats with that trusted computing platform?
[01:23] <christian_> the peripherals there are not secured as far as i know
[01:24] <christian_> should be an additional chip i heared
[01:25] <christian_> ok its ot
[01:25] <christian_> uh...download finished...bye
[02:21] <d3ads0ul> anyone around that can help me with my video card?
[02:21] <J_Litewski> d3ads0ul, what card do you have?
[02:21] <d3ads0ul> nvidia riva tnt2 64
[02:22] <J_Litewski> eth...
[02:23] <J_Litewski> that's an old card
[02:23] <J_Litewski> lets see
[02:23] <d3ads0ul> yeah
[02:24] <d3ads0ul> i was hoping it would be good enough to handle youtube full screen
[02:24] <d3ads0ul> the onboard couldnt
[02:25] <d3ads0ul> its an old 1100 celeron, 512mb ram
[02:27] <J_Litewski> geeze
[02:27] <J_Litewski> i'm not sure how to help you man, i tend to stay away from the TNT series cards
[02:28] <d3ads0ul> thanks for trying.  i guess ill wait until i get my other computer working
[02:50] <slashdotfx> can I use the linux-image-server for desktop use?
[02:50] <slashdotfx> I had 4GB ram, while generic can't detect them all
[02:55] <thismamacooks200> 3D was working great. But suddenly games run less that 1 fps. but, glxgears runs at 205+ fps. I have an Intel card.
[03:34] <J_Litewski> how do i change permissions of a folder?
[03:35] <thismamacooks200> J_Litewski: the chmod command
[03:35] <J_Litewski> ok, example?
[03:35] <thismamacooks200> sudo chmod 777 folder
[03:36] <J_Litewski> ok
[03:36] <J_Litewski> ty mamacook
[03:36] <thismamacooks200> give complete access to everyone to that folder
[03:36] <J_Litewski> kk
[03:36] <thismamacooks200> sudo chmod 777 -R folder <- also the files inside
[03:37] <J_Litewski> kk
[03:37] <J_Litewski> i just added i folder in / called svn and i want the GUI to be able to add stuff to it
[03:40] <J_Litewski> gha
[03:41] <J_Litewski> i found a file on a svn server and i can't connect to it
[03:43] <J_Litewski> thismamacooks200, are you any good with svn commands?
[03:44] <thismamacooks200> I know it stands for subversion, that's about it. I am totally dependant on someone making a tar.gz package of sourcecode for me
[03:45] <J_Litewski> ah lol
[03:45] <J_Litewski> i'm trying to get a injection speed patch for my wireless dongle
[03:46] <J_Litewski> and i found it on the DD-WRT svn
[03:46] <J_Litewski> and i can't connect to it
[03:46] <J_Litewski> and it's kinda bumming me out
[04:01] <J_Litewski> How do I apply patches?
[04:40] <zoredache> J_Litewski: get the source for the software that you are patch, then use the 'patch' command to apply the patch.  The exact details depend on the patch
[04:41] <zoredache> it usually something like doing patch -p1 < filename.patch while in the root directory of the package
[04:51] <PudgeyPimp> Hello all!
[04:51] <PudgeyPimp> I have an odd Xubuntu Issue
[04:52] <PudgeyPimp> I'm running Xubuntu 8.10 , on P3 700 MHZ, 256 MB ram IBM T20 laptop
[04:52] <PudgeyPimp> Whenever I run synaptics package manager to update my system it will run for a few mintues fine and then the whole system freezes completely.
[04:53] <PudgeyPimp> The same will happen when I use the command prompt to update instead.
[04:53] <PudgeyPimp> Which made me think maybe It's an issue with the Swap, so I changed the swappiness to 10 and it will run and update and not freeze.
[04:54] <PudgeyPimp> But instead of freezing after a few minutes, my ethernet connection will die which doesn't work until I unplug it and log out of my session and then plug it back in.
[04:54] <PudgeyPimp> The ethernet is a Netgear USB Ethernet adapter thing.
[04:54] <PudgeyPimp> What's the deal?
[04:56] <PudgeyPimp> I'm thinking it's either a driver issue for a piece of hardware for my laptop, or it's possesed by the devil... But it's definately one of the two I'm thinkin'
[05:00] <PudgeyPimp> please calm down people, I can only adress one person at a time.
[05:00] <PudgeyPimp> Address**
[05:09]  * zoredache shrugs (I only use apt-get from the cli)
[05:11] <Mood> PudgeyPimp: try a wired line connection to take usb stick out of the equation
[05:20] <PudgeyPimp> I would, but the ethernet port is broken
[05:20] <PudgeyPimp> So i'm forced to use this horrible USB adapter until I decide this laptop is worth spending anything on and getting a wireless pcmcia card
[05:21] <PudgeyPimp> Zoredache - even if i use apt-get from terminal it will give issues
[05:21] <zoredache> really?
[05:21] <PudgeyPimp> Yes, It's got me very puzzled
[05:22] <PudgeyPimp> I can get updates to work for literally a few moments and then hard freeze which ctrl-alt-F4, Backspace, etc. won't get me out of.
[05:23] <PudgeyPimp> I'm blowing out the install right now, and trying over but I'm 94.6% it's still going to be an issue
[05:23] <PudgeyPimp> It did this with ubuntu so I thought maybe I need to use xubuntu instead to use less memory... guess what, still same issue.
[05:24] <PudgeyPimp> I've cried over this once already I'm ashamed to say...
[05:24] <PudgeyPimp> (joke..)
[05:29] <n2diy> xubuntu comes with firefox, is there another browser I could use, with an integrated mail app, other than evolution? Or, should I just install Thunderbird?
[05:31] <zoredache> thunderbird is installed by default usually..
[05:31] <zoredache> there are several other browsers and email clients you can install
[05:32] <n2diy> zoredache: ok, hadn't checked yet, so firefox/thunderbird is as light weight as I can hope to get?
[05:33] <zoredache> no, you didn't ask for lightweight...   for light weight...  firefox is not light....  But it is going to support the web the best
[05:37] <zoredache> I generally only use webmail so I don't have much to reccomend when it comes to email clients...
[05:39] <n2diy> zoredache: ok, tnx. I think opera might play with email, have to go check.
[05:56] <Hetor> hey
[06:31] <zoredache> ubottu, don't leave us
[07:46] <xerxes> does xubuntu use a hardened kernel?
[08:33] <roccity_> is there a way to boot into text mode? in slackware you can edit /etc/inittab but cant see that in xubuntu
[09:30] <SiDi> hello world
[09:31] <SiDi> i'm having a problem with xfce's session saving feature :p
[09:31] <SiDi> i once checked the box of the quit dialog in order to save my session, and now this session is loaded each time i boot up (but i ofc unchecked the checkbox in the quit dialog))
[09:42] <BSE> yeah, same here :D
[09:42] <BSE> I had to save "clean" session
[09:42] <BSE> as I really not appreciated double XChat and double Pidgin
[09:46] <BSE> so its not much a feature :)
[09:47] <SiDi> BSE: how to "clean" it ?
[09:47] <SiDi> where's the file to rm -rf ?
[09:48] <BSE> SiDi: manualy closed everything and than "saved session"
[09:48] <BSE> I am noob, so I used most straightforward option :D
[09:49] <SiDi> BSE: ew :( that means i have to clean my processes :p
[09:49] <SiDi> thanks anyways ;p
[09:50] <BSE> hmm, as I think about it... heh... yeah
[09:51] <BSE> I didn't cleaned the processes :[
[09:51] <BSE> and I wonder why there is such a mess :o
[10:00] <BSE> SiDi: well, I looked on my processes, and nope, nothing messed because of that, so just kill apps you run yourself
[10:01] <SiDi> thanks BSE :)
[10:01]  * SiDi crosses fingerhe wont forget a lisp routine, or something similar :p
[10:06]  * SiDi just moved his /tmp to tmpfs and fucked up his PC. *rebooting*
[10:06] <SiDi> f***d up  :x
[10:11] <SiDi> It works \o/
[10:12] <BSE> i was surprised by number of sharing daemons :D I should clean it probably, but first I have to understand why there is so many of them :o
[10:12] <SiDi> What do you mean ?
[10:13] <BSE> i have 8 nfsd processes running
[10:13] <BSE> 2 smbd
[10:13] <SiDi> I seriously wanna know where is the file that stores those autostart sessions and wipe it :/
[10:15] <BSE> is there something in ~/.config/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc ?
[10:16] <SiDi> Nothing, apparently :)
[10:16] <SiDi> I need to go
[10:16] <SiDi> see you everyone
[10:16] <BSE> see ya
[13:19] <DiecastMessiah> Hailz all i have a dumb question
[13:20] <DiecastMessiah> in my updater there is a fakeroot thing.. but wouldn't that allow virus easier access??
[13:23] <BigMoopies> any idea when Jaunty will be on ShipIt ?
[13:30] <DiecastMessiah> so should i worry about this fakeroot package the updater wants to install?
[13:31] <PROject-Emerald> Are there major differences between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu? Or purely GUI?
[13:32] <DiecastMessiah> just the x- desktop and yeah its up to you
[13:32] <DiecastMessiah> X is faster but a little harder to use..
[13:32] <DiecastMessiah> in terms of menus and things.. you have to do thing more manually
[13:33] <DiecastMessiah> Ubuntu uses Gnome as defaul and Kubuntu is the KDE
[13:34] <DiecastMessiah> but if you have a older computer or want the fastest you can get Xubuntu is the best course
[13:35] <DiecastMessiah> damn he leave and i kept talking for no reason LOL
[14:01] <rgl> hi
[14:03] <rgl> will xfce 4.6.1 be in xubuntu 9.04?
[14:13] <Hetor> rgl: yes
[14:13] <Hetor> or no
[14:14] <rgl> huh?
[14:14] <rgl> its too late to include it?
[14:14] <Hetor> don't know, not a dev
[14:15] <Hetor> but you can always upgrade Xfce to 4.6.1 :)
[14:15] <rgl> from the backports repo?
[14:16] <Hetor> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-guelfucci/ppa/ubuntu hardy main
[14:16] <Hetor> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 0E23917F5D9DCE6C
[14:16] <Hetor> gpg --export --armor 0E23917F5D9DCE6C | sudo apt-key add -
[14:16] <Hetor> and you can install new Xfce
[14:19] <rgl> sweet. thx :)
[14:20] <Hetor> np
[14:21] <lorenzosu> !it
[14:21] <Hetor> oh, if you are running Interpid, replace hardy with interpid
[14:31] <J_Litewski> finally!
[14:31] <charlie-tca> rough day?
[14:31] <J_Litewski> rough connect :/
[14:31] <J_Litewski> i had to do /join #xubuntu three times
[14:32] <J_Litewski> lol
[14:32] <J_Litewski> anyways, charlie-tca, do you know how to apply patches?
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I try not to.
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I have to have someone walk me through them.
[14:32] <J_Litewski> ah
[14:32] <J_Litewski> crud
[14:33] <J_Litewski> i have a bunch of patches for my rtl8187 driver i want patched so i can get a semi-decent signal with it
[14:34]  * J_Litewski googles
[14:34] <charlie-tca> Should be a ReadMe / text file that tells how to do it with the patch
[14:35] <J_Litewski> nope
[14:35] <J_Litewski> there would be if aircrack-ng.net was up
[14:36] <J_Litewski> but, since the server overdid it it with traffic this month, i'm flying blind
[15:18] <Ruadh_> Hi all
[15:27] <nineteenfingers> my apologies for posting OT, but this is a big deal and needs the attention of anyone who uses the internet in Europe - see details here http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79002 and contact your MEP as a matter of urgency NOW - it'll be too late tonight. Spread the word to as many people as you can please.
[15:35] <cody-somerville> oh wow
[15:35] <cody-somerville> thats scary :(
[15:38] <nineteenfingers> cody-somerville - just a bit eh? hence me risking a Kline by posting it OT in 4 channels - i hate spam generally - but when you consider it could make the difference between being able to access these very IRC channels or not it's a biggie
[15:53] <SiDi> nineteenfingers: aware of that
[15:53] <SiDi> the problem is that this **** kinda comes from the deputees of my so democratic country
[15:54] <nineteenfingers> SiDi - know the feeling - my lot are pushing pretty hard for this kind of thing too
[15:56] <SiDi> well, ive been following the debates at the french AN about the "anti-piracy" law
[15:56] <SiDi> its really awful
[15:57] <SiDi> they dont understand what they do, but they're about to leave an organisation that is not regulated by judiciary authorities choose how networks should be watch, which kind of networks should be watch
[15:57] <SiDi> and who will condemn persons on the basis of accusations coming from private companies
[15:58] <SiDi> and no proof is needed. you'll have to *buy* a government spyware in order to proof you're innocent.
[16:01] <ablomen> (and it wont run on linux)
[16:01] <SiDi> (and no linux/unix user would ever accept this to run on their pc, actually)
[16:02] <SiDi> (i'm doing politics, we've got enough with the cops harrassing/aggressing us, the media (that almost all belong to the main party) and government's diffamation and propaganda, we dont need to also have generalised spywares all over the country. this has nothing to do with piracy, they're after us, as usual)
[16:03] <Slonkie> heh
[16:04] <ablomen> imho, its mostly just the lack of knowledge people in power have over anything internet related
[16:06]  * ablomen points to the whole pirate bay judging, which is just plain wrong, not because my opinion about filesharing, but about the fact that torrents contain no copyrighted material
[16:06] <ablomen> and the same lack of knowledge is the main reason of 90% of the debates in dutch parlement about internet related stuff, including censorship etc
[16:08] <SiDi> yeh
[16:08] <SiDi> they condemned them for doing something legal (even if not legitimate or honnest)
[16:10] <ablomen> yep, and every other search site does the same thing, even in that reasoning you can sue my company for linking to google maps, which links to google, which links to torrent files...
[16:14] <SuperJediWombat> The media buttons (including volume) do not work on my laptop with a clean 9.04rc install. Any ideas on what I can try?
[16:14] <mackk431> what is different on xubuntu in comparison with ubuntu or kubuntu?
[16:14] <SuperJediWombat> Xubuntu uses xfce, ubuntu gnome, kubuntu kde.
[16:15] <mackk431> ty
[16:15] <genii> mackk431: xfce,gnome,and kde are all desktop environments. xfce is the lightest resource-wise of the three making it good for lower end machines
[16:15] <SuperJediWombat> Desktop enviroments, xfce is similar to Gnome only its supposed to be faster
[16:16] <SuperJediWombat> The media buttons (including volume) do not work on my laptop with a clean 9.04rc install. Any ideas on what I can try?
[16:18] <Slonkie> Try making the shortcuts in keyboard settings
[16:25] <Slonkie> so you'll have to add "aumix -v-10" for down volume and "aumix -v+10" for up volume
[16:25] <SuperJediWombat> Slonkie: Thank you!
[16:26] <SuperJediWombat> any idea what the "command" for mute is?
[16:27] <SuperJediWombat> Quotes should be around "mute"
[16:27] <Slonkie> aumix -v0
[16:29] <SuperJediWombat> You're on a roll.
[16:30] <Slonkie> (just checkin' the shortcuts for my own keyboard :D)
[16:33] <SuperJediWombat> I use ubuntu on my main PC, trying xubuntu on my laptop.
[16:34] <SuperJediWombat> Seems a fair bit faster so far.
[16:36] <kromar> hi, if i upgrade to 9.04 beta to test it, is it possible to revert to 8.10?
[16:36] <Ruadh> re
[16:36] <charlie-tca> kromar: not easily.
[16:37] <kromar> ok...
[16:37] <kromar> i read that some amd driver wont work, is that the one for the gpu?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> If you are planning to upgrade to 9.04 anyway, it won't matter, though. We are testing the final image now
[16:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know which driver that is.
[16:37] <kromar> it will be released on the 23?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Yes
[16:38] <Slonkie> I'm experiencing quite an slow start up with xubuntu 9.04 atm. it's the part where it's loading the panels that's slow
[16:38] <Slonkie> Is there anything to do to fasten this up a lil' ?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: are you up to date?
[16:38] <Slonkie> yes
[16:39] <Slonkie> Just checked for new updates, there's none
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: should be fixed shortly after the release, maybe
[16:40] <Slonkie> all right cool
[16:41] <charlie-tca> We will be upgrading xfce to 4.6.1, that should fix it
[16:42] <SuperJediWombat> Whats the easiest way to access a samba share from my xubuntu 9.04 laptop?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> use gigolo
[16:43] <SuperJediWombat> Thanks, looking into it now.
[16:43] <BooVeMan_work> mount -t cifs -o "username=,password="  //serverip/share /mnt
[16:44] <rgl> charlie-tca, are you an xubuntu contributor?
[16:44] <charlie-tca> SuperJediWombat: I think it is Applications -> System -> Remote filesystems
[16:44] <charlie-tca> rgl: yes
[16:45] <SuperJediWombat> BooVeMan_work: thats what I have been using previously, I was hoping for something easier.
[16:46] <BooVeMan_work> SuperJediWombat: to me thats fairly easy :-D
[16:46] <SuperJediWombat> On my main PC i just have it in fstab, but on the laptop it causes slowdowns on startup because the wifi isn't enabled.
[16:47] <SuperJediWombat> By easy I mean fast.
[16:47] <rgl> charlie-tca, nice :)
[16:47] <SuperJediWombat> As in, click a button on the pannel and have it mount.
[16:47] <rgl> charlie-tca, xfce 4.6.1 will make it to xubuntu 9.04
[16:48] <charlie-tca> It will not make the release date, but will be an upgrade after the fact
[16:51] <rgl> I see. its fine :)
[16:52] <rgl> charlie-tca,  Hetor said one could use http://ppa.launchpad.net/jerome-guelfucci ppa archive to try 4.6.1.  is that the recomended repo to use?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is
[16:53] <rgl> ok thanks :)
[17:06] <SuperJediWombat> Would it be possible to put a launcher on the pannel to mount my samba share, without prompting for my pass?
[17:07] <BooVeMan_work> I reckon - create a line in fstaba with reference to a creditials file
[17:08] <BooVeMan_work> SuperJediWombat: like: //192.168.0.3/Temporal /fs_temporal cifs user,iocharset=utf8,uid=1000,gid=100,auto,rw,user,credentials=/etc/fstab_smb_credentials 0 0
[17:08] <SuperJediWombat> If I have an entry in fstab, can it mount without needing sudo?
[17:09] <BooVeMan_work> yes
[17:09] <BooVeMan_work> if the mountpoint is accessible tp the user
[17:09] <SuperJediWombat> Great. Thanks.
[17:10] <SuperJediWombat> "noauto" to not auto mount on boot?
[17:10] <BooVeMan_work> content of the credentials file: two lines one username= - two password=
[17:10] <BooVeMan_work> yes
[17:11] <SuperJediWombat> Got it, thanks for the help.
[17:35] <deadlyallance127> i want to make a dvd that has psubuntu and some files on it i have the iso and the files and a blank dvd can this be done ?
[17:36] <CppIsWeird> deadlyallance127, open the iso up in an some program able to edit iso's. stick your files in some directory on in the iso, burn the iso.
[17:37] <deadlyallance127> cpplsweird what programs can edit isos?
[17:38] <CppIsWeird> google
[17:38] <deadlyallance127> nevermind google is my friend
[17:38] <CppIsWeird> im not trying to be a dick, ive never done it on linux.
[17:40] <deadlyallance127> i know i found one in google 5 secends after i asked
[17:40] <zoredache> about the only way I know how to do it is to extract the contents and then rebuild the iso with mkisofs at the cli... but mkisofs needs lots of cli options and I don't know what you would need
[17:46] <CppIsWeird> I've got a backup of one of my laptops and i don't know what i used to back it up, the directory structure looks like this: disk, parts, sda1.ntfs-img, sda2.ntfs-img. sda3.ntfs-img, sda-chs.sf, sda-mbr, sda-pt.parted, sda-pt.sf
[17:52] <basajaun> anybody expert at printing
[17:53] <basajaun> ?
[17:53] <BooVeMan_work> !linuxprinting
[17:53] <BooVeMan_work> !cups
[17:53] <BooVeMan_work> HTH
[17:54] <basajaun> Ok let me precise I need to print 4 post card format on a single sheet can't find any printing options for that
[17:55] <BooVeMan_work> gimp -> stick an rotate the four -> print as one?
[17:56] <BooVeMan_work> sorry - no printing expert
[17:57] <basajaun>  thanks BooVeMan_work
[17:57] <basajaun> *
[18:17] <theuser1>  which is faster and better. rdp vnc or rmi ?
[18:18] <zoredache> faster and better for what?
[18:21] <theuser1> zoredache:  remot connection ofcourse
[19:45] <kromar> whats the difference between GNOME and KDE services that can be enabled in "Session and Startup"?
[19:46] <ramrod> hi guys i need a little advice
[19:46] <Slonkie> !hi | ramrod
[19:46] <ramrod> i installed xubuntu on the laptop of my father and there are two things which take a lot of memory
[19:47] <ramrod> i made a screenshot
[19:47] <ramrod> http://img3.imagebanana.com/view/b9u5st9o/Bildschirmfoto.png
[19:47] <ramrod> the top 2
[19:47] <ramrod> on my pc theres is only one of this commands listet and it takes only 1,2mb memory
[19:48] <ramrod> can someone tell me what command this is?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> If he only has one Thunar window open, delete one.
[20:26] <ramrod> damn i timed out
[21:27] <xerxes> uh...at least Ive got xubuntu 9.04 installed...im deeply satisfied
[21:52] <xerxes> rezising a xterm window in xubuntu 9.04 is sloooow and uses all processor resources...any idea why?
[21:54] <xerxes> !ubottu: xterm in xubuntu 9.04 is very slow
[21:55] <BooVeMan_work> you expect to much from poor ubottu
[21:55] <BooVeMan_work> !xterm
[21:56] <BooVeMan_work> ubottu left for lunch....
[21:57] <cody-somerville> xerxes, do you have compositing enabled?
[21:57] <BooVeMan_work> !xterm
[21:58] <likemindead> If I've installed Xubuntu 9.04 Beta (which I'm loving), I don't need to do a fresh install April 23rd, do I? Updates will get me the same thing, right?
[21:59] <zoredache> no, you might need to do a update if there are any new packages between now and then
[21:59] <likemindead> Yeah, there've been a bunch of updates every day. I make sure I install them ASAP. Thanks.
[22:01] <likemindead> Tilda, FTW.
[22:03] <BooVeMan_work> what may be the reason that my wireless device worked all right until someone recommended to uninstall & purge gdm. so now I have my device showing up and I even see the signal quality with iwlist and I can enable the device and ping myself but I cannot ping anything else.
[22:03] <ramrod> im using still xterm D:
[22:08] <xerxes> what is compositing, sommerville
[22:09] <xerxes> somerville
[22:09] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: someting like 3D effects in your desktop
[22:10] <xerxes> I dont think so
[22:10] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: what uses the CPU xterm or X11 ?
[22:11] <xerxes> I think xterm...mom
[22:13] <xerxes> Well, the process-meter doesnt list x11 or xterm at high peak...only the cpu-meter is full
[22:13] <xerxes> wait i try top
[22:13] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: be aware that 9.04 is still a RC so errors may exist
[22:14] <ramrod> may i drop in my little question again
[22:14] <xerxes> yeah...but xterm is so usual these days
[22:15] <ramrod> i installed xubuntu 8.10 on a laptop and there are 2 processes running which take a lot of memory
[22:15] <ramrod> http://img3.imagebanana.com/view/b9u5st9o/Bildschirmfoto.png
[22:15] <ramrod> on the top of the list
[22:15] <xerxes> ah...its the xorg-server
[22:15] <xerxes> it simply eats my ppower
[22:15] <ramrod> on my desktop pc i have only one  of this running and it takes only 1,5mb
[22:15] <BooVeMan_work> ramrod: there is only one process usning memory and that is X11 - which is pervfectly fine
[22:16] <ramrod> i thougt because they have both different PIDs
[22:16] <BooVeMan_work> ramrod: x11 -> 12.1% is fine
[22:16] <ramrod> man im dumb
[22:16] <ramrod> %
[22:16] <ramrod> not MB
[22:16] <ramrod> thanks alot
[22:17] <BooVeMan_work> ramrod: welome
[22:17] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: have you all updates applied?
[22:17] <BooVeMan_work> what may be the reason that my wireless device worked all right until someone recommended to uninstall & purge gdm. so now I have my device showing up and I even see the signal quality with iwlist and I can enable the device and ping myself but I cannot ping anything else.
[22:18] <xerxes> yes, BooVeMan
[22:18] <xerxes> it is the same with the open nvidia driver and with the propiretary one
[22:20] <xerxes> hmm...i now feel its all window resizing...not only xterm, but there i feel it at most
[22:21] <xerxes> moving is alright
[22:24] <xerxes> 8.10 was fine in this respekt
[22:24] <xerxes> respect
[22:24] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: sorry I'm out of ideas
[22:24] <xerxes> yeah me too
[22:25] <xerxes> i have my installation encrypted..perhaps that causes the lag
[22:25] <MTec007> is it possible to upgrade to 9.04 without losing any files or settings
[22:25] <FelineMonstrosit> Hi, how do I take a screenshot in Xubuntu?
[22:26] <MTec007> i use import
[22:27] <FelineMonstrosit> I take it print screen doesn't work..
[22:27] <MTec007> ive never tried
[22:27] <rgl> hello
[22:28] <xerxes> Feline, do you have the right keymap for your keyboard?
[22:28] <MTec007> if you do 'sleep 3; import -frame NewScreenshot.png'   gives you time to hide terminal and it will let you draw a box around what you want to take a screenshot of and save it to a file automatically
[22:29] <ramrod> i just use the plugin for the paner
[22:29] <ramrod> panel
[22:29] <FelineMonstrosit> so I have to type all of that into terminal every time I want to take a screenshot?
[22:30] <FelineMonstrosit> what's the plugin called? how do I install it?
[22:30] <MTec007> no you can use the plugin as ramrod said
[22:30] <ramrod> screenshooter plugin
[22:30] <ramrod> and it should be installed per default
[22:30] <ramrod> rightclick on your panel "add new item"
[22:30] <FelineMonstrosit> ok thanks
[22:32] <MTec007> (could also make an alias to the command i said)..
[22:35] <xunewb> does anyone know what drivers I would need to look for if installing xubuntu 8.10 onto hp g60 123cl?
[22:37] <xerxes> what should i prefer : selinux or Apparmor?
[22:38] <BooVeMan_work> xunewb: DRIVERS???? you are a Windows user?
[22:38] <xunewb> yes
[22:38] <xunewb> trying not to be
[22:39] <xunewb> I want to be sure that xbuntu will work before i install. Im tired of the spamware and viruses
[22:39] <FelineMonstrosit> My second panel, which is on the left, keeps stopping autohiding. This is the second time this has happened, it just won't go away. I've tried going to the panel settings and switching the autohide on and off but it doesn't work. the only thing that stops it is restarting. this is really annoying, has anyone had the same problem? does anyone know how to solve this?
[22:39] <BooVeMan_work> try the live CD
[22:40] <xunewb> Im getting it now, but I know from exp. that linux distros of all sorts do not work well out of box on a windows based pc
[22:40] <BooVeMan_work> xunewb: when did you try that - like 10 yeasrs ago?
[22:41] <xunewb> no, like a few months ago
[22:41] <xunewb> ive been through puppy linux, ubuntu, ubuntu se, kubuntu and a few others. the only one so far that works out of box is backtrack 3, wich i think is funny
[22:42] <xunewb> and useful
[22:42] <xunewb> seriously though, beyond the newb bashing does anyone know anything constructive about this?
[22:42] <BooVeMan_work> so what are you referring to with "not work well" - devices nor recognized? or Laptop extra buttons not working
[22:43] <xunewb> all of those issues actually
[22:43] <xunewb> with ubuntu se everything seemed good except that when i tried to initiate the drviers for my gfx card my comp wouldnt boot
[22:44] <xunewb> just a black screen, so i wiped it. now im on xp but there are NO drivers, or at least nothing worth having windows
[22:45] <BooVeMan_work> xunewb: that is the problem with propritary (closed source) drivers
[22:45] <xunewb> I know
[22:45] <xunewb> and lots of other nasties that I also loathe
[22:45] <BooVeMan_work> If it worked with the default dirver why did you tried to change to the nvidia driver in the first place? gamer?
[22:46] <xunewb> becuz it wouldnt let me moved my resolution above 800xwhatever
[22:46] <xunewb> I can push 1280x700 or better
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> now that may happen if the monitor isn't recognized correctly I have the nvidia driver runnign at 1200 x 1600
[22:47] <xunewb> how did you get the driver to work?
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> sorry th nv (open source) driver
[22:47] <xunewb> where did you get it?
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> thats included
[22:47] <xunewb> in xubuntu?
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> its the default for nvidia cards
[22:47] <xunewb> or se?
[22:47] <BooVeMan_work> in X11
[22:48] <xunewb> dude im way behind
[22:48] <BooVeMan_work> ubottu: get some coffee please
[22:48] <xunewb> but my disc is burner is shot now becuz i have no driver. is there a way I can mount and install on another partition from inside windows?
[22:49] <xunewb> mount the iso i mean
[22:49] <BooVeMan_work> deamon tools I think
[22:49] <BooVeMan_work> *daemon
[22:50] <xunewb> ok so let me get this rite... daemon tools>>install to patition. thats it basicly rite?
[22:50] <xunewb> right*
[22:50] <xunewb> sorry i cant spell sometimes
[22:50] <BooVeMan_work> yes - xubuntu install even allows you to resize partitions to make space
[22:51] <BooVeMan_work> xunewb: same here - head faster than fingers
[22:51] <xunewb> sweet. so i can create a new one just from live disc?
[22:51] <BooVeMan_work> a new installation - yes I think so - never done it though - may need to finish it up with the net repositories
[22:52] <xunewb> well so i guess the next q is where can i get x11 at? xubuntu.com is only advertising 8.10
[22:52] <BooVeMan_work> x11 ist the graphical engine included in all modern linux distros
[22:52] <BooVeMan_work> !X11
[22:52] <xunewb> ahh
[22:52] <xunewb> wow, i AM a newb
[22:53] <xunewb> OMG you guys have bot. SWEET!
[22:53] <xunewb> whats the help command to get it to tell me what it knows? like the starting point i guess
[22:54] <xunewb> .!help or something like that
[22:54] <xunewb> !help
[22:54] <xunewb> aha
[22:54] <xunewb> well that was effective
[22:55] <BooVeMan_work> good luck may try this next time:
[22:55] <BooVeMan_work> !help | xunewb
[22:55] <xunewb> this is too good. I love open source. poo on windows for being crap
[22:56] <BooVeMan_work> come back from pidgin :-)
[22:56] <xunewb> I shall
[22:56] <xunewb> thanks again
[22:56] <xunewb> im off to join the ranks
[23:04] <MTec007> i plugged my wireless card into my laptop and it wasnt automatically found
[23:05] <MTec007> what do i have to do to make xubuntu find it
[23:15] <MTec007> does any one know?
[23:26] <BooVeMan_work> MTec007: would that be a usb or a pcmcia wireless card?
[23:27] <MTec007> pcmia
[23:28] <BooVeMan_work> MTec007: what is the line in the output ofsudo lspci which tells you something of wlan?
[23:28] <BooVeMan_work> MTec007: or wireless or atherros or onoco
[23:29] <MTec007> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[23:29] <BooVeMan_work> !wireless | MTec007
[23:30] <BooVeMan_work> look for you chipset which is the Braodcom BCM 4306
[23:30] <BooVeMan_work> !broadcom | MTec007
[23:31] <BooVeMan_work> this bot is unbelievable
[23:31] <BooVeMan_work> ubottu: thanks
[23:33] <MTec007> theres nothing listed for xubuntu 8.10 ?
[23:36] <BooVeMan_work> what I derive from the wiki is that the driver si included only you have do get the firmware
[23:36] <BooVeMan_work> try running b43-fwcutter - thats what stats the wiki page if you read closely
[23:38] <BooVeMan_work> run the proposed lspci -n to find out which rev you rot and proceed respectively or configuring the b43 or b43-legacy
[23:53] <Jabone> hi anybody awake?
[23:53] <Jabone> what is the command in xfce to raise/lower audio volume?
[23:54] <Jabone> I'm trying to get my volume keys working, and there is nothing related to volume in keyboard shortcuts
[23:54] <MTec007> aumix -v+10   or aumix -v-10     the 10 can be changed
[23:56] <Jabone> so i put "aumix -v+10" as a command?