| === nubae1 is now known as Nubae | ||
| LaserJock | nubae1, highvoltage: around? | 14:32 |
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| LaserJock | stgraber: you up yet? | 14:32 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: yup | 14:45 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: you watching -devel at all? | 14:45 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: what's weird is that you're up yet :) | 14:45 |
| stgraber | I try to, what did I miss ? | 14:46 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: well, I got an email this morning | 14:46 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: 1) we need a release announcement | 14:46 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: 2) Edubuntu is being dropped from releases.ubuntu.com to cdimage.ubuntu.com | 14:47 |
| LaserJock | so we have no mirroring | 14:47 |
| LaserJock | and we'll need to update all download pages | 14:47 |
| stgraber | hmm, ok ... so no more "official" support for edubuntu ? | 14:47 |
| stgraber | for the website, I don't have any access on it, are we using something similar to ubuntu.com for the download page ? | 14:48 |
| stgraber | if so we may need to update the code no ? | 14:48 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: slangasek says that dropping to cdimages.u.c doesn't say anything about support directly | 14:49 |
| nubae1 | hi LaserJock | 14:49 |
| nubae1 | long ime no see | 14:49 |
| nubae1 | time | 14:49 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: so my assumption is that Canonical is still supporting it, we just got replaced by Ubuntu Netbook Remix on releases.ubuntu.com | 14:49 |
| LaserJock | nubae1: yeah, has been | 14:49 |
| nubae1 | I've get some of the edubuntu jaunty pages ready... I guess tomorrow is launch day? | 14:50 |
| stgraber | well, yeah but you loose mirroring ... and we all know how fast cdimage usually is :) | 14:50 |
| stgraber | nubae1: yeah | 14:51 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: exactly, slangasek said we have to come up with our own mirroring | 14:51 |
| LaserJock | i.e. I don't think that's exactly going to happen by tomorrow | 14:51 |
| nubae1 | own mirroring? what does that mean practically? | 14:51 |
| LaserJock | so we need a release announcement ASAP and we need to change the download page on edubuntu.org | 14:51 |
| LaserJock | nubae1: it means we're screwed for getting the .iso downloaded ;-) | 14:52 |
| nubae1 | ah lovely... what about using p2p? | 14:52 |
| nubae1 | could upload the iso to linuxtracker | 14:52 |
| LaserJock | nubae1: well, if we have seeds | 14:52 |
| nubae1 | well wouldn't that kinda take care of itself if people start downloading? | 14:52 |
| nubae1 | I can put up an iso on my server (100mb connection) | 14:53 |
| nubae1 | if needs be | 14:53 |
| * nubae1 wonders what kind of traffic there will actually be for the edubuntu cd | 14:54 | |
| === nubae1 is now known as Nubae | ||
| LaserJock | I really don't know | 14:55 |
| LaserJock | I've never seen any stats on it | 14:55 |
| LaserJock | with the app bundles I think a lot of people are better off just installing over the internet | 14:55 |
| Nubae | well, we could put up an rsync server for incremental updates and serve the image p2p too | 14:56 |
| ogra | you should be able to get them on the torrent tracker, ask steve | 14:57 |
| ogra | not irroring doesnt mean they cant be added to the ubuntu tracker | 14:57 |
| ogra | *mirroring | 14:57 |
| LaserJock | ogra: good thought | 14:57 |
| Nubae | where will the image be served from though thats the question | 14:58 |
| ogra | cdimage | 14:58 |
| Nubae | ok | 14:58 |
| LaserJock | anyway, primary focus for the moment needs to be getting a release announcement written | 14:58 |
| Nubae | LaserJock: did u get my mail about the edubuntu-extras apps? | 14:58 |
| LaserJock | Nubae: I did, I have it starred in gmail, just haven't had any time for Ubuntu for a while | 15:00 |
| Nubae | I assumed as much :-) | 15:00 |
| LaserJock | Nubae: thanks for them | 15:00 |
| Nubae | yeah, I actually ran the apps too, to make sure they were all working and such | 15:01 |
| LaserJock | slangasek says that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/jaunty/rc/edubuntu-9.04-rc-addon-amd64.iso.torrent works | 15:02 |
| LaserJock | ok, so what needs to go into the release announcement? | 15:04 |
| Nubae | cool well thats that then, we can put a torrent link up on torrenttracker too, if one needs a mirror | 15:04 |
| LaserJock | 1) releases.u.c -> cdimage.u.c | 15:05 |
| LaserJock | 2) app bundles | 15:05 |
| LaserJock | 3) basic install instructions | 15:06 |
| LaserJock | 4) perhaps the Firefox bug being fixed? | 15:06 |
| LaserJock | 5) any LTSP stuff stgraber has? | 15:06 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: probably, I've done a blog post recently about that, we can probably get some items out of it | 15:07 |
| ogra | make a big point about compiz support ;) | 15:07 |
| ogra | people like that | 15:08 |
| LaserJock | ogra: you've got the most experience with this, does the outline above seem reasonable? | 15:08 |
| ogra | yes, i think so | 15:08 |
| LaserJock | tbh I never read these announcements so I'm not positive what all goes in them ;-) | 15:08 |
| stgraber | ogra: yeah, dual-head and compiz are things people tend to like :) | 15:08 |
| ogra | well, RichEd did everything for the last two/three releases ... i'm not that trained anymore for non mobile stuff :) | 15:09 |
| * Nubae wonders if anyone reads them ;-) | 15:09 | |
| LaserJock | ogra: do we need separate "announcement" and "release notes"? | 15:09 |
| stgraber | ogra: though we should maybe discuss turning LDM_DIRECTX on by default, it's not good from a security point of view but will give a lot better user experience (talking for karmic) | 15:09 |
| ogra | phew, no idea | 15:09 |
| stgraber | ogra: I still get some people complaining about video softwares and similar being slow or LTSP being a lot slower than desktop and that's really just SSH eating all their cpu | 15:09 |
| ogra | stgraber, totally oppsed by me ... sorry security first ... | 15:09 |
| ogra | video players should be localapps nowadays | 15:10 |
| stgraber | ogra: well, I guess maybe we should make it easier for users to switch between secure and non-secure then. A ldm button would be cool :) | 15:11 |
| stgraber | ogra: agreed for localapps but we'd need working gconf first or we'll have to use something else than totem | 15:11 |
| ogra | a radiobutton in the options ... but not shown by default | 15:11 |
| ogra | switchable by the admin through a lts.conf option | 15:12 |
| ogra | but not as a choice for the user by default | 15:12 |
| ogra | its 100% insecure transport vs 100% secure transport you are trading there ... | 15:13 |
| ogra | we sadly dont have different levels here | 15:13 |
| stgraber | well, it's more secure than XDMCP :) | 15:14 |
| ogra | not really | 15:14 |
| stgraber | with DIRECTX the login is still sent through ssh | 15:14 |
| ogra | yes, but thats about it | 15:14 |
| ogra | your online banking password you type into the https page is compromised | 15:14 |
| stgraber | ok, added a few LTSP security items to my todolist for LTSP. Basically getting the switch from secure to insecure in ldm (through a lts.conf option) and allow an admin to force a warning message for users connected using DIRECTX | 15:16 |
| LaserJock | OK, I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseNotes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseAnnouncement | 15:26 |
| LaserJock | please please pretty please add to it | 15:26 |
| LaserJock | I got up early so I could work on my dissertation before a meeting with my advisor | 15:29 |
| LaserJock | so I need to kinda bail | 15:29 |
| LaserJock | but I'll check in later | 15:29 |
| stgraber | ok, I'll work on something for LTSP | 15:29 |
| stgraber | (even if it's technically not edubuntu ... :)) | 15:29 |
| LaserJock | it's relevant to Edubuntu users | 15:31 |
| LaserJock | but yeah, it's a bit tricky | 15:31 |
| LaserJock | anybody work on the Release Announcement/Notes? | 20:03 |
| LaserJock | good grief, what do we even call what we're releasing? | 20:30 |
| LaserJock | is it Edubuntu 9.04 or is it Ubuntu Educational Addon 9.04 :/ | 20:30 |
| Lns | LaserJock: I like the latter, the former seems like an actual OS/version of ubuntu | 20:40 |
| Lns | (like it used to be) | 20:40 |
| Lns | There are still plenty of people asking about Edubuntu thin clients, thinking it's still built in | 20:41 |
| LaserJock | how does this sound: "The Edubuntu team is proud to announce Edubuntu 9.04 Ubuntu Educational Addon." | 20:41 |
| Lns | I think that's redundant imho | 20:41 |
| Lns | the people are Edubuntu team, right? And we're releasing the Ubuntu Educational addon | 20:41 |
| LaserJock | so "The Edubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 9.04 Educational Addon. | 20:41 |
| Lns | there ya go | 20:41 |
| Lns | i like that | 20:42 |
| Lns | That gives the feeling that the Edubuntu team can do much more than simply the "Ubuntu Educational Addon" | 20:44 |
| Lns | such as advocation, etc | 20:44 |
| Lns | other s/w projects | 20:44 |
| Lns | which the sky is the limit, really | 20:44 |
| LaserJock | ok, opening paragraph: | 20:48 |
| LaserJock | The Edubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 9.04 Educational Addon, continuing Edubuntu's tradition of integrating the latest and greatest open source educational software with the high-quality, easy-to-use Ubuntu distribution. | 20:48 |
| LaserJock | Lns: ^^ seem OK? | 20:49 |
| Lns | LaserJock: looks good to me =) | 20:51 |
| LaserJock | Lns: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseAnnouncement | 21:09 |
| LaserJock | Lns: please read that and let me know if something needs changing | 21:09 |
| Lns | LaserJock: just looking over, might be good to change "As an addon to Ubuntu, it offers regular releases,..." to "The Ubuntu Educational Addon offers regular releases,..." | 21:11 |
| Lns | as not to confuse edubuntu w/uea | 21:12 |
| LaserJock | Lns: ok, I wondered about that one | 21:12 |
| Lns | LaserJock: also "Edubuntu comes with the fully integrated iTalc classroom management" ... should prolly be changed to uea | 21:12 |
| LaserJock | should I mention edubuntu-desktop-kde | 21:13 |
| Lns | and next par.. "The base Ubuntu 8.10 and Edubuntu add-on" s/Edubuntu/uea | 21:13 |
| LaserJock | it's not on the CD, but I think Kubuntu users would be interested to know it exists | 21:13 |
| * Lns shrugs | 21:13 | |
| Lns | sure, maybe as something like a "also, the edubuntu-desktop-kde" | 21:13 |
| Lns | imho most of the "edubuntu" wordage should be changed to uea | 21:14 |
| Lns | besides the reference to the project/people itself | 21:14 |
| LaserJock | it's a bit difficult | 21:17 |
| LaserJock | because, for instance, the edubuntu-desktop-kde is technically outside the Ubuntu Educational Addon | 21:17 |
| LaserJock | but it's important for users to know about | 21:17 |
| Lns | yeah | 21:17 |
| Lns | well maybe for "most" cases we should do that then - there just seems to be a lot of confusion still, and it'd be good to clarify in the webpage etc. | 21:18 |
| LaserJock | Lns: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseAnnouncement | 21:24 |
| LaserJock | Nubae: ^^? | 21:36 |
| Ahmuck | 9.04 is out now ? | 21:36 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck: in a matter of hours I believe | 21:38 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck: you mind reading that announcement and letting me know if anything is confusing/wrong/missing? | 21:38 |
| Ahmuck | i hate the bots | 21:39 |
| Ahmuck | i ask a question, i'm a person, not a bot asking the question | 21:39 |
| Ahmuck | LaserJock: ok, thx | 21:39 |
| Ahmuck | sure, i'll read the announcement | 21:39 |
| Ahmuck | LaserJock: looks good | 21:42 |
| poseidon | Is there a FOSS (or even free) alternative to Rosetta Stone? | 21:42 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck: ok, good | 21:42 |
| poseidon | For learning something like German | 21:43 |
| Lns | poseidon: Some of my schools use RS too, that's an interesting question | 21:46 |
| poseidon | Well I've looked and asked around. I thought I would try one more time in here. | 21:49 |
| poseidon | RS is like $200-500+ USD. It's ridiculous | 21:50 |
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