[14:32] <LaserJock> nubae1, highvoltage: around?
[14:32] <LaserJock> stgraber: you up yet?
[14:45] <stgraber> LaserJock: yup
[14:45] <LaserJock> stgraber: you watching -devel at all?
[14:45] <stgraber> LaserJock: what's weird is that you're up yet :)
[14:46] <stgraber> I try to, what did I miss ?
[14:46] <LaserJock> stgraber: well, I got an email this morning
[14:46] <LaserJock> stgraber: 1) we need a release announcement
[14:47] <LaserJock> stgraber: 2) Edubuntu is being dropped from releases.ubuntu.com to cdimage.ubuntu.com
[14:47] <LaserJock> so we have no mirroring
[14:47] <LaserJock> and we'll need to update all download pages
[14:47] <stgraber> hmm, ok ... so no more "official" support for edubuntu ?
[14:48] <stgraber> for the website, I don't have any access on it, are we using something similar to ubuntu.com for the download page ?
[14:48] <stgraber> if so we may need to update the code no ?
[14:49] <LaserJock> stgraber: slangasek says that dropping to cdimages.u.c doesn't say anything about support directly
[14:49] <nubae1> hi LaserJock
[14:49] <nubae1> long ime no see
[14:49] <nubae1> time
[14:49] <LaserJock> stgraber: so my assumption is that Canonical is still supporting it, we just got replaced by Ubuntu Netbook Remix on releases.ubuntu.com
[14:49] <LaserJock> nubae1: yeah, has been
[14:50] <nubae1> I've get some of the edubuntu jaunty pages ready... I guess tomorrow is launch day?
[14:50] <stgraber> well, yeah but you loose mirroring ... and we all know how fast cdimage usually is :)
[14:51] <stgraber> nubae1: yeah
[14:51] <LaserJock> stgraber: exactly, slangasek said we have to come up with our own mirroring
[14:51] <LaserJock> i.e. I don't think that's exactly going to happen by tomorrow
[14:51] <nubae1> own mirroring? what does that mean practically?
[14:51] <LaserJock> so we need a release announcement ASAP and we need to change the download page on edubuntu.org
[14:52] <LaserJock> nubae1: it means we're screwed for getting the .iso downloaded ;-)
[14:52] <nubae1> ah lovely... what about using p2p?
[14:52] <nubae1> could upload the iso to linuxtracker
[14:52] <LaserJock> nubae1: well, if we have seeds
[14:52] <nubae1> well wouldn't that kinda take care of itself if people start downloading?
[14:53] <nubae1> I can put up an iso on my server (100mb connection)
[14:53] <nubae1> if needs be
[14:54]  * nubae1 wonders what kind of traffic there will actually be for the edubuntu cd
[14:55] <LaserJock> I really don't know
[14:55] <LaserJock> I've never seen any stats on it
[14:55] <LaserJock> with the app bundles I think a lot of people are better off just installing over the internet
[14:56] <Nubae> well, we could put up an rsync server for incremental updates and serve the image p2p too
[14:57] <ogra> you should be able to get them on the torrent tracker, ask steve
[14:57] <ogra> not irroring doesnt mean they cant be added to the ubuntu tracker
[14:57] <ogra> *mirroring
[14:57] <LaserJock> ogra: good thought
[14:58] <Nubae> where will the image be served from though thats the question
[14:58] <ogra> cdimage
[14:58] <Nubae> ok
[14:58] <LaserJock> anyway, primary focus for the moment needs to be getting a release announcement written
[14:58] <Nubae> LaserJock: did u get my mail about the edubuntu-extras apps?
[15:00] <LaserJock> Nubae: I did, I have it starred in gmail, just haven't had any time for Ubuntu for a while
[15:00] <Nubae> I assumed as much :-)
[15:00] <LaserJock> Nubae: thanks for them
[15:01] <Nubae> yeah, I actually ran the apps too, to make sure they were all working and such
[15:02] <LaserJock> slangasek says that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/jaunty/rc/edubuntu-9.04-rc-addon-amd64.iso.torrent works
[15:04] <LaserJock> ok, so what needs to go into the release announcement?
[15:04] <Nubae> cool well thats that then, we can put a torrent link up on torrenttracker too, if one needs a mirror
[15:05] <LaserJock> 1) releases.u.c -> cdimage.u.c
[15:05] <LaserJock> 2) app bundles
[15:06] <LaserJock> 3) basic install instructions
[15:06] <LaserJock> 4) perhaps the Firefox bug being fixed?
[15:06] <LaserJock> 5) any LTSP stuff stgraber has?
[15:07] <stgraber> LaserJock: probably, I've done a blog post recently about that, we can probably get some items out of it
[15:07] <ogra> make a big point about compiz support ;)
[15:08] <ogra> people like that
[15:08] <LaserJock> ogra: you've got the most experience with this, does the outline above seem reasonable?
[15:08] <ogra> yes, i think so
[15:08] <LaserJock> tbh I never read these announcements so I'm not positive what all goes in them ;-)
[15:08] <stgraber> ogra: yeah, dual-head and compiz are things people tend to like :)
[15:09] <ogra> well, RichEd did everything for the last two/three releases ... i'm not that trained anymore for non mobile stuff :)
[15:09]  * Nubae wonders if anyone reads them ;-)
[15:09] <LaserJock> ogra: do we need separate "announcement" and "release notes"?
[15:09] <stgraber> ogra: though we should maybe discuss turning LDM_DIRECTX on by default, it's not good from a security point of view but will give a lot better user experience (talking for karmic)
[15:09] <ogra> phew, no idea
[15:09] <stgraber> ogra: I still get some people complaining about video softwares and similar being slow or LTSP being a lot slower than desktop and that's really just SSH eating all their cpu
[15:09] <ogra> stgraber, totally oppsed by me ... sorry security first ...
[15:10] <ogra> video players should be localapps nowadays
[15:11] <stgraber> ogra: well, I guess maybe we should make it easier for users to switch between secure and non-secure then. A ldm button would be cool :)
[15:11] <stgraber> ogra: agreed for localapps but we'd need working gconf first or we'll have to use something else than totem
[15:11] <ogra> a radiobutton in the options ... but not shown by default
[15:12] <ogra> switchable by the admin through a lts.conf option
[15:12] <ogra> but not as a choice for the user by default
[15:13] <ogra> its 100% insecure transport vs 100% secure transport you are trading there ...
[15:13] <ogra> we sadly dont have different levels here
[15:14] <stgraber> well, it's more secure than XDMCP :)
[15:14] <ogra> not really
[15:14] <stgraber> with DIRECTX the login is still sent through ssh
[15:14] <ogra> yes, but thats about it
[15:14] <ogra> your online banking password you type into the https page is compromised
[15:16] <stgraber> ok, added a few LTSP security items to my todolist for LTSP. Basically getting the switch from secure to insecure in ldm (through a lts.conf option) and allow an admin to force a warning message for users connected using DIRECTX
[15:26] <LaserJock> OK, I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseNotes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseAnnouncement
[15:26] <LaserJock> please please pretty please add to it
[15:29] <LaserJock> I got up early so I could work on my dissertation before a meeting with my advisor
[15:29] <LaserJock> so I need to kinda bail
[15:29] <LaserJock> but I'll check in later
[15:29] <stgraber> ok, I'll work on something for LTSP
[15:29] <stgraber> (even if it's technically not edubuntu ... :))
[15:31] <LaserJock> it's relevant to Edubuntu users
[15:31] <LaserJock> but yeah, it's a bit tricky
[20:03] <LaserJock> anybody work on the Release Announcement/Notes?
[20:30] <LaserJock> good grief, what do we even call what we're releasing?
[20:30] <LaserJock> is it Edubuntu 9.04 or is it Ubuntu Educational Addon 9.04 :/
[20:40] <Lns> LaserJock: I like the latter, the former seems like an actual OS/version of ubuntu
[20:40] <Lns> (like it used to be)
[20:41] <Lns> There are still plenty of people asking about Edubuntu thin clients, thinking it's still built in
[20:41] <LaserJock> how does this sound: "The Edubuntu team is proud to announce Edubuntu 9.04 Ubuntu Educational Addon."
[20:41] <Lns> I think that's redundant imho
[20:41] <Lns> the people are Edubuntu team, right? And we're releasing the Ubuntu Educational addon
[20:41] <LaserJock> so "The Edubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 9.04 Educational Addon.
[20:41] <Lns> there ya go
[20:42] <Lns> i like that
[20:44] <Lns> That gives the feeling that the Edubuntu team can do much more than simply the "Ubuntu Educational Addon"
[20:44] <Lns> such as advocation, etc
[20:44] <Lns> other s/w projects
[20:44] <Lns> which the sky is the limit, really
[20:48] <LaserJock> ok, opening paragraph:
[20:48] <LaserJock> The Edubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 9.04 Educational Addon, continuing Edubuntu's tradition of integrating the latest and greatest open source educational software with the high-quality, easy-to-use Ubuntu distribution.
[20:49] <LaserJock> Lns: ^^ seem OK?
[20:51] <Lns> LaserJock: looks good to me =)
[21:09] <LaserJock> Lns: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseAnnouncement
[21:09] <LaserJock> Lns: please read that and let me know if something needs changing
[21:11] <Lns> LaserJock: just looking over, might be good to change "As an addon to Ubuntu, it offers regular releases,..." to "The Ubuntu Educational Addon offers regular releases,..."
[21:12] <Lns> as not to confuse edubuntu w/uea
[21:12] <LaserJock> Lns: ok, I wondered about that one
[21:12] <Lns> LaserJock: also "Edubuntu comes with the fully integrated iTalc classroom management" ... should prolly be changed to uea
[21:13] <LaserJock> should I mention edubuntu-desktop-kde
[21:13] <Lns> and next par.. "The base Ubuntu 8.10 and Edubuntu add-on" s/Edubuntu/uea
[21:13] <LaserJock> it's not on the CD, but I think Kubuntu users would be interested to know it exists
[21:13]  * Lns shrugs
[21:13] <Lns> sure, maybe as something like a "also, the edubuntu-desktop-kde"
[21:14] <Lns> imho most of the "edubuntu" wordage should be changed to uea
[21:14] <Lns> besides the reference to the project/people itself
[21:17] <LaserJock> it's a bit difficult
[21:17] <LaserJock> because, for instance, the edubuntu-desktop-kde is technically outside the Ubuntu Educational Addon
[21:17] <LaserJock> but it's important for users to know about
[21:17] <Lns> yeah
[21:18] <Lns> well maybe for "most" cases we should do that then - there just seems to be a lot of confusion still, and it'd be good to clarify in the webpage etc.
[21:24] <LaserJock> Lns: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseAnnouncement
[21:36] <LaserJock> Nubae: ^^?
[21:36] <Ahmuck> 9.04 is out now ?
[21:38] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: in a matter of hours I believe
[21:38] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: you mind reading that announcement and letting me know if anything is confusing/wrong/missing?
[21:39] <Ahmuck> i hate the bots
[21:39] <Ahmuck> i ask a question, i'm a person, not a bot asking the question
[21:39] <Ahmuck> LaserJock: ok, thx
[21:39] <Ahmuck> sure, i'll read the announcement
[21:42] <Ahmuck> LaserJock: looks good
[21:42] <poseidon> Is there a FOSS (or even free) alternative to Rosetta Stone?
[21:42] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: ok, good
[21:43] <poseidon> For learning something like German
[21:46] <Lns> poseidon: Some of my schools use RS too, that's an interesting question
[21:49] <poseidon> Well I've looked and asked around.  I thought I would try one more time in here.
[21:50] <poseidon> RS is like $200-500+ USD.  It's ridiculous