=== nubae1 is now known as Nubae [14:32] nubae1, highvoltage: around? [14:32] stgraber: you up yet? [14:45] LaserJock: yup [14:45] stgraber: you watching -devel at all? [14:45] LaserJock: what's weird is that you're up yet :) [14:46] I try to, what did I miss ? [14:46] stgraber: well, I got an email this morning [14:46] stgraber: 1) we need a release announcement [14:47] stgraber: 2) Edubuntu is being dropped from releases.ubuntu.com to cdimage.ubuntu.com [14:47] so we have no mirroring [14:47] and we'll need to update all download pages [14:47] hmm, ok ... so no more "official" support for edubuntu ? [14:48] for the website, I don't have any access on it, are we using something similar to ubuntu.com for the download page ? [14:48] if so we may need to update the code no ? [14:49] stgraber: slangasek says that dropping to cdimages.u.c doesn't say anything about support directly [14:49] hi LaserJock [14:49] long ime no see [14:49] time [14:49] stgraber: so my assumption is that Canonical is still supporting it, we just got replaced by Ubuntu Netbook Remix on releases.ubuntu.com [14:49] nubae1: yeah, has been [14:50] I've get some of the edubuntu jaunty pages ready... I guess tomorrow is launch day? [14:50] well, yeah but you loose mirroring ... and we all know how fast cdimage usually is :) [14:51] nubae1: yeah [14:51] stgraber: exactly, slangasek said we have to come up with our own mirroring [14:51] i.e. I don't think that's exactly going to happen by tomorrow [14:51] own mirroring? what does that mean practically? [14:51] so we need a release announcement ASAP and we need to change the download page on edubuntu.org [14:52] nubae1: it means we're screwed for getting the .iso downloaded ;-) [14:52] ah lovely... what about using p2p? [14:52] could upload the iso to linuxtracker [14:52] nubae1: well, if we have seeds [14:52] well wouldn't that kinda take care of itself if people start downloading? [14:53] I can put up an iso on my server (100mb connection) [14:53] if needs be [14:54] * nubae1 wonders what kind of traffic there will actually be for the edubuntu cd === nubae1 is now known as Nubae [14:55] I really don't know [14:55] I've never seen any stats on it [14:55] with the app bundles I think a lot of people are better off just installing over the internet [14:56] well, we could put up an rsync server for incremental updates and serve the image p2p too [14:57] you should be able to get them on the torrent tracker, ask steve [14:57] not irroring doesnt mean they cant be added to the ubuntu tracker [14:57] *mirroring [14:57] ogra: good thought [14:58] where will the image be served from though thats the question [14:58] cdimage [14:58] ok [14:58] anyway, primary focus for the moment needs to be getting a release announcement written [14:58] LaserJock: did u get my mail about the edubuntu-extras apps? [15:00] Nubae: I did, I have it starred in gmail, just haven't had any time for Ubuntu for a while [15:00] I assumed as much :-) [15:00] Nubae: thanks for them [15:01] yeah, I actually ran the apps too, to make sure they were all working and such [15:02] slangasek says that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/jaunty/rc/edubuntu-9.04-rc-addon-amd64.iso.torrent works [15:04] ok, so what needs to go into the release announcement? [15:04] cool well thats that then, we can put a torrent link up on torrenttracker too, if one needs a mirror [15:05] 1) releases.u.c -> cdimage.u.c [15:05] 2) app bundles [15:06] 3) basic install instructions [15:06] 4) perhaps the Firefox bug being fixed? [15:06] 5) any LTSP stuff stgraber has? [15:07] LaserJock: probably, I've done a blog post recently about that, we can probably get some items out of it [15:07] make a big point about compiz support ;) [15:08] people like that [15:08] ogra: you've got the most experience with this, does the outline above seem reasonable? [15:08] yes, i think so [15:08] tbh I never read these announcements so I'm not positive what all goes in them ;-) [15:08] ogra: yeah, dual-head and compiz are things people tend to like :) [15:09] well, RichEd did everything for the last two/three releases ... i'm not that trained anymore for non mobile stuff :) [15:09] * Nubae wonders if anyone reads them ;-) [15:09] ogra: do we need separate "announcement" and "release notes"? [15:09] ogra: though we should maybe discuss turning LDM_DIRECTX on by default, it's not good from a security point of view but will give a lot better user experience (talking for karmic) [15:09] phew, no idea [15:09] ogra: I still get some people complaining about video softwares and similar being slow or LTSP being a lot slower than desktop and that's really just SSH eating all their cpu [15:09] stgraber, totally oppsed by me ... sorry security first ... [15:10] video players should be localapps nowadays [15:11] ogra: well, I guess maybe we should make it easier for users to switch between secure and non-secure then. A ldm button would be cool :) [15:11] ogra: agreed for localapps but we'd need working gconf first or we'll have to use something else than totem [15:11] a radiobutton in the options ... but not shown by default [15:12] switchable by the admin through a lts.conf option [15:12] but not as a choice for the user by default [15:13] its 100% insecure transport vs 100% secure transport you are trading there ... [15:13] we sadly dont have different levels here [15:14] well, it's more secure than XDMCP :) [15:14] not really [15:14] with DIRECTX the login is still sent through ssh [15:14] yes, but thats about it [15:14] your online banking password you type into the https page is compromised [15:16] ok, added a few LTSP security items to my todolist for LTSP. Basically getting the switch from secure to insecure in ldm (through a lts.conf option) and allow an admin to force a warning message for users connected using DIRECTX [15:26] OK, I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseNotes and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseAnnouncement [15:26] please please pretty please add to it [15:29] I got up early so I could work on my dissertation before a meeting with my advisor [15:29] so I need to kinda bail [15:29] but I'll check in later [15:29] ok, I'll work on something for LTSP [15:29] (even if it's technically not edubuntu ... :)) [15:31] it's relevant to Edubuntu users [15:31] but yeah, it's a bit tricky [20:03] anybody work on the Release Announcement/Notes? [20:30] good grief, what do we even call what we're releasing? [20:30] is it Edubuntu 9.04 or is it Ubuntu Educational Addon 9.04 :/ [20:40] LaserJock: I like the latter, the former seems like an actual OS/version of ubuntu [20:40] (like it used to be) [20:41] There are still plenty of people asking about Edubuntu thin clients, thinking it's still built in [20:41] how does this sound: "The Edubuntu team is proud to announce Edubuntu 9.04 Ubuntu Educational Addon." [20:41] I think that's redundant imho [20:41] the people are Edubuntu team, right? And we're releasing the Ubuntu Educational addon [20:41] so "The Edubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 9.04 Educational Addon. [20:41] there ya go [20:42] i like that [20:44] That gives the feeling that the Edubuntu team can do much more than simply the "Ubuntu Educational Addon" [20:44] such as advocation, etc [20:44] other s/w projects [20:44] which the sky is the limit, really [20:48] ok, opening paragraph: [20:48] The Edubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 9.04 Educational Addon, continuing Edubuntu's tradition of integrating the latest and greatest open source educational software with the high-quality, easy-to-use Ubuntu distribution. [20:49] Lns: ^^ seem OK? [20:51] LaserJock: looks good to me =) [21:09] Lns: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseAnnouncement [21:09] Lns: please read that and let me know if something needs changing [21:11] LaserJock: just looking over, might be good to change "As an addon to Ubuntu, it offers regular releases,..." to "The Ubuntu Educational Addon offers regular releases,..." [21:12] as not to confuse edubuntu w/uea [21:12] Lns: ok, I wondered about that one [21:12] LaserJock: also "Edubuntu comes with the fully integrated iTalc classroom management" ... should prolly be changed to uea [21:13] should I mention edubuntu-desktop-kde [21:13] and next par.. "The base Ubuntu 8.10 and Edubuntu add-on" s/Edubuntu/uea [21:13] it's not on the CD, but I think Kubuntu users would be interested to know it exists [21:13] * Lns shrugs [21:13] sure, maybe as something like a "also, the edubuntu-desktop-kde" [21:14] imho most of the "edubuntu" wordage should be changed to uea [21:14] besides the reference to the project/people itself [21:17] it's a bit difficult [21:17] because, for instance, the edubuntu-desktop-kde is technically outside the Ubuntu Educational Addon [21:17] but it's important for users to know about [21:17] yeah [21:18] well maybe for "most" cases we should do that then - there just seems to be a lot of confusion still, and it'd be good to clarify in the webpage etc. [21:24] Lns: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/9.04/ReleaseAnnouncement [21:36] Nubae: ^^? [21:36] 9.04 is out now ? [21:38] Ahmuck: in a matter of hours I believe [21:38] Ahmuck: you mind reading that announcement and letting me know if anything is confusing/wrong/missing? [21:39] i hate the bots [21:39] i ask a question, i'm a person, not a bot asking the question [21:39] LaserJock: ok, thx [21:39] sure, i'll read the announcement [21:42] LaserJock: looks good [21:42] Is there a FOSS (or even free) alternative to Rosetta Stone? [21:42] Ahmuck: ok, good [21:43] For learning something like German [21:46] poseidon: Some of my schools use RS too, that's an interesting question [21:49] Well I've looked and asked around. I thought I would try one more time in here. [21:50] RS is like $200-500+ USD. It's ridiculous