[00:00] <apachelogger> canonical ain't gonna like this
[00:00] <apachelogger> like not at all
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> then they should fix their prodocut
[00:00] <apachelogger> true
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> and I should fix my spelling
[00:00] <apachelogger> frist rant
[00:00] <apachelogger> then fix rosetta
[00:00] <apachelogger> then fix JontheEchidna's spelling
[00:00] <apachelogger> roadmap to 9.10
[00:01] <apachelogger> oh, along the way KDE should be update, that is minor though
[00:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also why would they fix the product if there are houndres of ubuntu lemmings willing to take up with the crippled interface and all the annoyances
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if it would be possible to add rosetta suppor to lokalize, so there could be a "translate this template in lokalize" download link
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> currently you have to wait for it to export it to the po, then send you an email once its done
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> brb
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> ok, now the locale kcm isn't translated
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> The trash KCM is fine except for the days plural
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> the plural is broken in both dolphin and konq
[00:16] <apachelogger> maybe an export problem?
[00:16] <apachelogger> we had that once
[00:16] <apachelogger> or maybe it just wasn't i18n'ed in the first place ;-)
[00:16]  * JontheEchidna apt-file updates so he can find the trash kcm
[00:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, binding localize should be possible
[00:18] <apachelogger> considering it supports plugins IIRC ... that of course assumes that the fancy lp api exposes rosetta at all
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> if it does it'd probably be in python, which krosspython handles just fine :)
[00:20] <apachelogger> antoher thing I love about rosetta
[00:20] <apachelogger> anyway
[00:20] <apachelogger> I should go to bed
[00:20] <apachelogger> I think
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> nini
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> fail: mDays->setSuffix( " days" );
[01:57] <claydoh> arghh wiki problems :(
[01:57] <claydoh> anyone have anything specific they want to ensure gets mentioned in the release notes?
[01:58] <claydoh> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Final/Kubuntu when it comes back
[02:23] <shtylman> does anyone else experience periodic plasma desktop failures (aka icons begin to dissapear and widgets go transparent) when using jaunty with nvidia prop. drivers
[02:33] <ScottK> shtylman: That's happened to me a couple of times with Intel.
[02:34] <ScottK> claydoh: Does it talk about the lpia images for Intel Atom?
[02:34] <claydoh> not yet :)
[02:34] <shtylman> ScottK: interesting...figured it was possibly isolated to nvidia, but this broadens the problem a bit
[02:34] <claydoh> is that kubuntu specific?
[02:34] <ScottK> claydoh: Feel free to slap rgreening into providing some cool information on that.
[02:35] <ScottK> Kuubntu hasn't had them before.
[02:35] <claydoh> aahhhh
[02:35] <claydoh> sweet
[02:35] <ScottK> Not even if the letters are in the right order.
[02:35] <ScottK> Before it was just Ubuntu MID.
[02:35]  * claydoh dreams of having a netbook
[02:36] <ScottK> One of the really cool things about KDE4 is that we didn't need to develop a special netbook edition.  It just works.
[02:37] <claydoh> wow that's better than our Big Sister
[02:37] <ScottK> shhhh.
[02:37] <ScottK> And don't put it that way in the release notes, it might upset some people.
[02:37] <claydoh> no, 5 would not do that
[02:38] <claydoh> s/5/I
[02:38]  * ScottK was wondering what keyboard has 5 and I close to each other.
[02:38] <claydoh> not mine I don't know how I did that one
[02:39] <ScottK> Blame HAL.
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> wow, apachelogger's startkde locale-detecting magic works wonderfully
[02:39]  * JontheEchidna wiped the locale settings from kdeglobals, and KDE correctly detected Imperial measurement, time, etc
[02:40] <claydoh> I won't slap rgreening, he is a neighbor, relatively speaking
[02:40] <ScottK> It's OK.  I hear he likes that stuff.
[02:47] <claydoh> ScottK: probably rgreening does, every Newfie I have met has been a little, um, off, and they talk funny too :)
[02:47] <ScottK> Right, small isolated island, cold and lonely in the winter ....
[02:48]  * ScottK probably shouldn't mention he lived in Iceland for a year.
[02:48] <claydoh> actually I have wanted tp visit Newfoundland, the pictures frommthose I have met are utterly beautiful
[02:49] <claydoh> And Iceland would be nice to visit too
[02:49]  * claydoh was b orn in Alaska, must be in my blood I do like the cold months as much as the warm ones
[02:54] <dtchen> i dislike warm climates
[02:54] <dtchen> much love for alaska, minnesota, wisconsin, etc.
[02:55] <claydoh> I do like the desert too,
[02:55] <claydoh> but its hard to find a place with both :)
[02:55] <ScottK> Iceland has deserts.
[02:56] <ScottK> I knew a guy who got the glass on one side of his SUV frosted due to sandblasting in a wind storm.
[02:56] <claydoh> well desert more like New mexico or Arizona
[02:57] <ScottK> There's actually glaciers and desert right next to each other.
[02:57] <claydoh> I want it all- ocean cold, snowy winters and hot, but dry summers
[02:58] <claydoh> and of course no tornadoes or hurricanes
[02:58] <ScottK> No hurricanes in Iceland, just hurricane force winds weren't unusual in winter.
[02:59] <claydoh> and they have awesome cool trucks too :)
[03:00] <ScottK> Do they?  I was there ~20 years ago.
[03:01] <claydoh> i think so, seen articles and video of them, and recently Top Gear tv show drove some to the north pole
[03:02] <claydoh> super wide tires, high articulation suspension mods, ice-specific body gear
[03:04] <ScottK> Interesting.
[03:05] <claydoh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Trucks has some good links
[03:06] <ScottK> OK, not that interesting.
[03:06] <claydoh> lol
[03:07]  * ScottK goes to investigate the laundry.
[03:41] <shtylman> damn...plasma failed again :(
[03:46] <dtchen> kubuntu dvd i386 live session testing completed
[03:48]  * JontheEchidna would test dvds if he had a dvd burner
[03:48] <dtchen> (didn't try amarok, though, so don't know if 362538 is triggered)
[03:48] <dtchen> i'll test it for amd64 in a couple hours
[03:54]  * ScottK notes with disgust we have two different packages that provide /usr/bin/emma and /usr/bin/Emma
[04:03] <dtchen> err
[04:04] <dtchen> the ubiquity test (kubuntu dvd i386) failed utterly with 512 MB RAM and 256 MB swap
[04:04]  * dtchen tries with mem=768M
[04:06] <nixternal> AMD64 Alternate CD was a charm on 2 different machines
[04:07] <dtchen> oh, and here's a gem:
[04:07] <nixternal> gem install libsqlite3-ruby
[04:08] <dtchen> if you use the desktop installer, you don't have pulseaudio installed by default
[04:08] <dtchen> if you use the alternate or dvd installers (regardless which frontend installer on the dvd), you get pulseaudio installed and activated by default
[04:08] <nixternal> shoot, I shsould have used the desktop installer :)
[04:09] <ScottK> dtchen: How'd that happen?
[04:09] <dtchen> ScottK: i have no clue; i remember being puzzled about this symptom a couple weeks ago
[04:09] <ScottK> Can it be removed?
[04:10] <ScottK> If so, I think it's worth a release note.
[04:10] <dtchen> i haven't investigated why it's even ending up on the alternate or dvd images
[04:10] <dtchen> but, yes, it can be removed in kubuntu
[04:10] <dtchen> desktop works fine without it
[04:11] <ScottK> dtchen: Would you please file a bug against kubuntu-meta with a task on ubuntu-release-notes with some text on how one removes it?
[04:12] <dtchen> ScottK: sure, i just need to test it more thoroughly on this dvd i386 image
[04:13] <ScottK> dtchen: Thanks.  Once there's a task against ubuntu-release-notes, slangasek will get it and pull it into the document.
[05:14] <maco> ScottK: something else dtchen just spotted that i can reproduce: kpackagekit uses the "install this!" hover image (showing a green +) on things that are available to remove (should show a red -)
[05:14] <dtchen> right, my use case is: install using ubiquity from kubuntu dvd i386, then attempt to remove pulseaudio using kpackagekit
[05:14] <maco> not for all packages though, interestingly enough.
[05:15] <maco> on pulseaudio it shows the green plus on top of the big grey -
[05:15] <maco> on ...what was the package just above pulseaudio in your list?
[05:15] <maco> it showed the red - on top of a bigger red -
[05:15] <maco> ("install me!" still shows a small green + on top of a large green +)
[05:16]  * ScottK has never actually used kpackagekit.
[05:16] <maco> er, large grey +
[05:16] <dtchen> so users attempting to remove pulseaudio from a default install from both alternate and dvd installers (all frontends on dvd) won't be able to use kpackagekit to remove pulseaudio
[05:16] <maco> hey you didnt test to see if it could remove them
[05:16] <dtchen> yes i did.
[05:16] <maco> oh
[05:16] <maco> i thought it was just the hover image. you're saying it actually can't remove them either? damn
[05:16] <maco> wait what yes it can
[05:16] <dtchen> thankfully, they can open a Konsole and use apt-get remove pulseaudio (or apt-get --purge remove pulseaudio or aptitude purge pulseaudio ...)
[05:17] <maco> i just clicked and *then* it turned into the little red - on top of the big red -
[05:17] <dtchen> it didn't here, and this is a fresh install
[05:17] <maco> and apply said it was gonna remove pulseaudio
[05:17] <maco> oh yeah...good point, i dist-upgraded
[05:17] <dtchen> i tested both before refreshing and after refreshing
[05:17] <maco> by the way, what's with kpackagekit's konsole spew? dang..."SHOW UI! GO UI!"
[05:56] <dtchen> ScottK: just in case you need to be kept current, it's bug 364962
[08:28] <sebas> Is Kubuntu using KCModules written in Python?
[08:28] <sebas> (in KDE4)'
[10:14] <Tonio_> sebas: yep
[10:14] <Tonio_> sebas: the printers manager for example
[10:20] <Tonio_> sebas: see /usr/share/applications/kde4/kcm-scpk.desktop
[11:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: k3b 1.65.0alpha1 out
[11:42] <Riddell> davmor2: do you know if anyone has tested upgrade from an alternate CD?
[11:42] <davmor2> Riddell: No
[11:42] <davmor2> Why?
[11:43] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[11:44] <Riddell> davmor2: because it's a recommended upgrade method, we really ought to test it works
[11:44] <davmor2> Riddell: Good point Although I always thought that everyone just used update manager
[12:13] <Riddell> claydoh: "Intel Atom Support" you mean we have a build in ports?
[12:20] <ScottK> Riddell: He does.  rgreenging was signing it's praises recently.
[12:20] <ScottK> rgreening even.
[12:31] <Sput> ScottK: looks like you'll be getting the "click on systray brings quassel to front if it's obscured by windows" and "click on blinking tray also selects the right channel" soonish
[12:31] <ScottK> Sput: Excellent.
[12:31] <Sput> the former will only be happening for users with KDE support though :/
[12:31] <Sput> and for windows users, for that matter
[12:32] <ScottK> That'd be all the users here unless they rolled their own, so that's fine with me ....
[12:32] <Sput> yep
[12:32] <Sput> I also think better that than nothing :)
[12:33] <Sput> well, that's assuming I can easily use KSystemTrayIcon, but I don't see a large problem there
[12:33] <Sput> they do an amazing amount of window manager magic to figure out if the application window is fully visible, which I'm not willing to reimplement in pure Qt :)
[12:48] <ScottK> Sounds quite reasonable.
[12:51]  * Quintasan needs a quick bzr tutorial
[13:10] <jtholmes> Riddell, ping
[13:30] <ScottK> Quintasan: Do you know svn?
[13:30] <Quintasan> ScottK: a little bit
[13:31] <ScottK> You can use bzr co and bzr ci and use it like svn if you just need to do something quick.
[13:31] <apachelogger> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
[13:31] <ScottK> If you don't have committ access then you'll want to read up on branching and push your own branch somewhere.
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> I am stumped by bug 318503
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> It's got a correct translation in rosetta, in a po export from rosetta, and, from what I can see, is even correct in the shipped .mo
[13:35] <apachelogger> QA
[13:35] <apachelogger> god damnit QA
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, that trash kcm plural bug is an upstream issue
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> untranslatable string
[13:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no, it is our issue because we published upstream's WIP code
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> no we didn't
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> the trash kcm was part of the stable release
[13:38] <apachelogger> aaah
[13:38] <apachelogger> so what did we patch?
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> adding that kcm to appear in dolphin too
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> it used to only appear in konqueror
[13:38] <apachelogger> ic
[13:38] <apachelogger> upstream!
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> I worked with pinotree to confirm the bug
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190313
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> oh!
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> it just got fixed
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> a bit too late for that, though :/
[13:42] <apachelogger> general question: do langpacks not get updated?
[13:42] <ScottK> They do.
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> that's what I was about to ask
[13:42]  * ScottK has no clue how.
[13:42]  * apachelogger neither
[13:42] <apachelogger> oh
[13:43]  * jussi01 waves at apachelogger
[13:43] <apachelogger> that is another nice thing about rosetta, there are pretty much no up-to-date resources on how all that crap works
[13:43] <apachelogger> yo jussi01
[13:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: Saves me having to feel guilty about not caring.
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> So do we want to SRU kde svn 957547 as soon as possible? Or should we just wait for it in KDE 4.2.3 proper and hope that upstream did the translations so that our Ubuntu translators don't do a sub-par translation that gets stuck there forever?
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> The fact that I have to ask this question is pretty sad in itself
[13:47] <ScottK> 4.2.3.
[13:47] <apachelogger> oh
[13:47] <apachelogger> we never uploaded kde-l10n-* to -updates
[13:48] <apachelogger> and I doubt it would be very much liked
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> good point
[13:48] <apachelogger> you'll have to talk to Riddell and probably pitti
[13:49] <apachelogger> since they apparently are members of the secret division of ubuntu-translation-internals
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> so I wiped my locale section from kdeglobals last night after I was done in spanishland
[13:50] <ScottK> Very scary
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> the locale detection in startkde works great
[13:50]  * ScottK notices he has a $WORK meeting in 40 mintes, it's 20 minutes away and he's not dressed yet.  Later.
[13:51] <apachelogger> hm, I am meeting someone in 15 minutes and am not dressed either
[13:51] <apachelogger> oh dear
[13:51] <ScottK> Depends on the type of meeting.
[13:52] <apachelogger> hm, it's 3pm here
[13:52] <apachelogger> not the time for the kind of undressed meeting
[13:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: anyways, qt built on jaunty ... I am now trying to get kdesupport to build, which is not that easy due to constant upstream breakage
[14:04] <dpm_> [14:42] <apachelogger> general question: do langpacks not get updated? => Here you can find more information on this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu/LanguagePacks
[14:11] <jtholmes> Riddell, davmor2 i just upgraded 8.10 using the alt cd and it went fairly well few kde crashes along the way but installer completed and booted into 9.04 ok but a few glitches
[14:23] <Riddell> jtholmes: hrm, glitches aren't good
[14:24] <jtholmes> Riddell, kded4 plasma and dolphin crashed along the way but no effect on upgrade process
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> kded4 at least doesn't like HAL restarting underneath its feet during upgrades of any sort
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> We did fix the plasma/dolphin crashes on upgrades in jaunty, I know
[14:25] <jtholmes> that would make sense
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> was this an upgrade from a stock 8.10?
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> or one with KDE 4.2?
[14:26] <jtholmes> stock 8.10 yes, but not one with all the current 8.10 upgrades
[14:27] <jtholmes> did not have kde 4.2
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> ok, then that's probably why those crashes happen
[14:28] <jtholmes> plasma and dolphin appeared to crash with signal 6,  kded with sig 11
[14:29] <jtholmes> i can rerun if desired, would take about 1.5 hrs with updates etc.
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> I think you would have to use KDE 4.2 to be not affected by those crashes
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> well, I think the kded4 would happen regardless (I get that with normal updates in 9.04)
[14:31] <jtholmes> does fully updated 8.10 contain 4.1 or 4.2 kde
[14:33] <AvanLoon> I reported some bugs for the Kubuntu 9.04 RC which I thought were quite important, but still haven't gotten any attention
[14:33] <AvanLoon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/363131
[14:33] <AvanLoon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/363113
[14:33] <jtholmes> I will run it again and update 8.10 before upgrade via CD
[14:34] <AvanLoon> has anyone else experienced these bugs, or have they been fixed in the latest daily image already, or are these bugs possibly duplicates?
[14:37] <AvanLoon> is there anyone here who is not idle?
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> jtholmes: normally KDE 4.1
[14:38] <jtholmes> AvanLoon, cant answer the question but based on the date of 363131 you were using the RC of 4.17.9 I believe the latest one(s) are either 4.20 or 4.21 or later so try one of them the dailys are not being made as we are in RC timeframe
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> jtholmes: you have to add the KDE 4.2 repos manually to get KDE 4.2
[14:39] <jtholmes> JontheEchidna, ok I will redo whole process with updated 8.10 before upgrading from alt kde cd and lets see what happens
[14:46] <AvanLoon> jtholmes: I used the RC mentioned here – http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-rc – but AFAIK there was only one RC?
[14:50] <jtholmes> AvanLoon, that is not the current/latest RC do you know how to get the latest RC
[14:56] <AvanLoon> jtholmes: AFAIK that's the only RC announcement I read on the Kubuntu website, I don't know where to get the latest
[14:59] <jtholmes> AvanLoon, go to here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ and get either  i386 or 64 bit whichever you use and you will have the latest besure to get the MD5SUMS file also and run md5sum on the jaunty you download before burning it
[15:02] <AvanLoon> jtholmes: in that case I was confused, you were talking about the latest RC, but I already used the daily image of 19 april from that page as I mentioned in bug #363131
[15:03] <jtholmes> AvanLoon, i dont see any 4.19  files on that page
[15:04] <jtholmes> AvanLoon, this is a developers channel lets take further conversations to  #ubuntu+1
[15:05] <jtholmes> AvanLoon, just ping me on #ubuntu+1 if you need further assistance
[15:06] <AvanLoon> jtholmes: that page displays the latest daily build, and it displayed the 19 april image when I visited that page at 19 april
[15:06] <AvanLoon> jtholmes: thanks for your help, but I don't need further assistance
[15:58] <pascalFR> Bug #260918:
[15:58] <pascalFR> This report is public
[15:58] <pascalFR> I hope this is fixed in jaunty
[15:59] <pascalFR> i have to try the RC
[16:04] <apachelogger> hm
[16:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[16:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are the virtual buildds broken or something?
[16:05] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive/staging/+build/956904/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kde-nightly-kdesupport_20090422+svn957549-0neon1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:05] <apachelogger> check the package install portion
[16:05] <apachelogger> apparently it builds on amd64 even though the daemon is supposed to be i38
[16:05] <apachelogger> 6
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> I've had that happen to me once or twice before
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> I don't know how/what fixed it
[16:06] <apachelogger> I got that for almost every build neon build
[16:41] <apachelogger> !info quassel jaunty
[16:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: maybe section should be changed to kde?
[16:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/plasma-widget-quickaccess/+pots/desktop-plasma-widget-quickaccess
[16:49] <apachelogger> btw
[16:49] <apachelogger> sidebar on the right
[16:49] <apachelogger> download translations
[17:00] <Quintasan> can anyone send files to phone using kbluetooth4?
[17:01] <seaLne> Quintasan: can you get kbluetooth to connect to anything apart from input device?
[17:01] <Quintasan> seaLne: yeah
[17:01] <Quintasan> seaLne: I can get to part with choosing device to send the file
[17:02] <seaLne> from the add device dialogue? (i couldn't)
[17:02] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:02] <Quintasan> I get kbluetooth4(22635) ObexSession::slotConnectError: Session Connect Error  "org.openobex.Error.ConnectionRefused"   "Connection refused"
[17:02] <Quintasan> when sending
[17:03] <seaLne> well you got further than i got
[17:03] <Quintasan> :/
[17:03] <Quintasan> I wonder if we should include it in jaunty
[17:03] <Quintasan> This isn't even working
[17:04] <Quintasan> *** glibc detected *** kbluetooth4-inputwizard: double free or corruption (out): 0x00007fff63e9cd20 ***
[17:04] <Quintasan> lol
[17:04] <Quintasan> and a freaking long backtrace
[17:05] <seaLne> it crashes if you remove a dongle or restart bluez
[17:05] <Quintasan> all I did was closing Add Bluetooth device dialog :D
[17:05] <Quintasan> and it's still working
[17:06] <seaLne> ah did you just see input device listed as an option?
[17:06] <Quintasan> I right-click on tray icon, Device Manager and I have New or Remove option
[17:06] <Quintasan> and my phone listed there
[17:07] <Quintasan> lol, my dongle is pretty good, I closed my phone in shelf and covered it with a plastic container and it's still detected
[17:09] <Quintasan> I'm sure we would have same fuctionality with kbluetooth from svn :P
[17:10] <seaLne> i just wish i could get my headset to work :(
[17:12] <jtholmes> JontheEchidna, Riddell  reloaded 8.10 from cd, did all upgrades, then upgraded to 9.04 via alt cd and same things, installer worked fine,  plasma, dolhpin and kded all died
[17:13] <jtholmes> i am at the restart prompt now in case you want some logs
[17:13] <Quintasan> seaLne: have you tried gnome bluetooth tools?
[17:13] <Quintasan> they work
[17:14] <seaLne> Quintasan: no, will try that later thanks
[17:15] <Quintasan> seaLne: I managed to connect to my phone and send files, it should work with your headset too :)
[17:37] <steveire> Hi.
[18:49] <Riddell> steveire: apachelogger keeps talking about making a Kubuntu netbook remix but I don't know if there much upstream to be used yet
[18:50] <apachelogger> plasma-mid is unsable
[18:50]  * Riddell wonders if that's unstable or usable
[18:50]  * steveire too
[18:50] <apachelogger> unusable :P
[18:51] <steveire> I arrived back in Dublin today by the way
[18:51] <apachelogger> that looks weird too though
[18:51] <apachelogger> anyway
[18:51] <Riddell> steveire: from where?
[18:51] <apachelogger> IMHO 9.10's remix should just deal with the basics and a complete version with plasma-mid should be targetted for 10.04
[18:52] <steveire> Riddell: Well, Frankfurt most recently, but I've been on the road since FOSDEM. http://steveire.blogs.ie/category/no-plan
[18:52] <steveire> Which means I might finally be able to help out with neon :)
[18:54]  * smarter notes that a netbook remix would probably benefit a lot from using arora instead of konqueror
[18:58] <apachelogger> smarter: how so?
[19:00] <Quintasan> grr, why mplayerthumbs doesn't store thumbnails in a dir or a file?
[19:09] <smarter> apachelogger: it's faster and lighter in my experience
[19:09] <smarter> (lighter in mem usage)
[19:09] <apachelogger> faster is only webkit
[19:10] <apachelogger> and once kdewebkit is usable remix (and possibly kubuntu itself) shoudl use it
[19:10] <apachelogger> the mem footprint needs to be checked out though
[19:11]  * Quintasan will test webkitkde
[19:28] <apachelogger> eean: ping
[19:30] <eean> apachelogger: pong
[19:36] <apachelogger> eean: do you still use suse?
[19:36] <eean> yep
[19:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[19:36] <apachelogger> eean: ah, never mind, I reproduced the bug already :)
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[19:37] <eean> ok
[19:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kde bug 171185
[19:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please get some kde dood to look at it
[19:38] <apachelogger> our bug 281407
[19:38] <eean> "!konqueror", did someone dent that bug? :)
[19:38] <apachelogger> lol
[19:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wstephenson might be interested since suse ships with firefox as default browser
[19:39] <apachelogger> unless they worked around the issue of course :P
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> heh
[19:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 359517
[19:42] <apachelogger> do we need a MIR for libindi?
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> I think so
[19:43] <apachelogger> needs evaluation
[19:43] <apachelogger> why does indi conflict libindi?
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> lol, searching for "suse bugtracker" on google brings up LP first hit
[19:43] <Quintasan> :D
[19:43] <apachelogger> uh
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> *suse bugilla
[19:43] <apachelogger> oh
[19:43] <apachelogger> uh
[19:44] <apachelogger> uhm
[19:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you haz google profile?
[19:44]  * Quintasan hates the default Oxygen color
[19:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I have a strong feeling that indi is libindi
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> google profile?
[19:44] <apachelogger> some werid motu doods did not see that
[19:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[19:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: meaning do you have a google account
[19:45] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:45] <apachelogger> wow
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> yes
[19:45] <apachelogger> that is worth a blog
[19:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: customized search
[19:45] <apachelogger> I get ubuntu related hits for almost every search I do
[19:45] <apachelogger> anyway
[19:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: look at indi and libindi0
[19:45] <apachelogger> see version
[19:45] <apachelogger> see hompage
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> 0.5, 0.6
[19:45] <apachelogger> see description
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> so they didn't remove the old indi package?
[19:46] <apachelogger> nah
[19:46] <apachelogger> they did not even know there is one!
[19:46] <apachelogger> and the 2 acking motus did not notice
[19:46] <apachelogger> neither did the archive admin
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> -.-
[19:46] <apachelogger> that is an epic fail of QA :P
[19:47] <apachelogger> also, we screwed up in disabling indi but not updating the indi package in main... leaving in disabled
[19:48] <apachelogger> I suggest that we file bug reports with cirtical importance and milestoned when we have to remove a feature temporary
[19:48] <apachelogger> that way we won't forget to renable it :)
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> we totally forgot, that's for sure
[19:49] <Quintasan> what about kbluetooth4?
[19:49] <apachelogger> yeah, filing a bug should prevent that pretty much
[19:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you take care of that kfmclient stuff and I try my luck on triaging that bug
[19:50] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: is kbluetooth4 installed by default?
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> kdebluetooth is installed by default
[19:50] <apachelogger> hm
[19:51] <apachelogger> ha!
[19:51] <Quintasan> I think we should mention it is mosty unusable, seaLne was unable to add his headset and I can't even send files to my phone
[19:52]  * Quintasan is sad that he must use gnome-bluetooth
[19:53] <apachelogger> hm
[19:53] <apachelogger> funs
[19:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Riddell screwed up :P
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> in what regard?
[19:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: in 0.5 they had a monolithic source package in 0.6 multiple source packages
[19:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: he uploaded both versions
[19:55] <apachelogger> hm
[19:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: all seems to be packaged of 0.6 ... but in universe
[19:56] <apachelogger> kdeedu needs a testbuild without libsbigudrv-dev, but with libindi-dev as build-deps
[19:56] <apachelogger> but at least libindi0 needs an MIR
[19:56] <apachelogger> indi from main needs a removal request
[19:57] <apachelogger> kdeedu needs to be changed to use libindi0, indi dep needs to be dropped from kstars
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: this should be the aim of kubuntu-mid: http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/09/power-of-plasma.html
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> :D
[19:59] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:59] <apachelogger> it should?
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> just kidding, of course
[20:01] <apachelogger> really?
[20:01] <apachelogger> I actually found that very sound
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> turning it into a gnome clone?
[20:02] <a|wen> Quintasan: after deleting my settings and start over after 4.2.2 was out i was (for the first time) able to both send and receive files using bluetooth
[20:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[20:03] <apachelogger> smooth migration :P
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> one step closer to getting ubuntu-users to migrate to kubuntu?
[20:04] <apachelogger> aye aye
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> hmm, interesting
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> Oxygen Connections looks awful in KDE 4.2 though
[20:05] <apachelogger> bug 359517
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> with multirow taskbars
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> I should re-do Oxygen Connections
[20:07] <apachelogger> aye aye
[20:07] <apachelogger> or fix kubuntu bugs :P
[20:07] <a|wen> apachelogger: kdeedu doesn't even build-depend on any indi; it probably just need to be added as a build-depend (and the hard-coded depend of kstars should be removed)
[20:08] <apachelogger> a|wen: indi is universe
[20:08] <a|wen> libindi-dev added as a build-depend
[20:08] <apachelogger> a|wen: the libsbigudrv-dev is the build dep
[20:08] <apachelogger> from indi 0.5
[20:08] <apachelogger> get your facts straight :P
[20:08] <a|wen> oh my, what a name
[20:09] <apachelogger> +1
[20:10] <Quintasan> night everyone
[20:10] <apachelogger> nini Quintasan
[20:10] <a|wen> nn Quintasan
[20:12] <a|wen> apachelogger: http://packages.debian.org/sid/indi ... looks like it is the right one we have in main; we just need to get up-to-date ?
[20:12] <apachelogger> a|wen: read what I wrote in the bug description
[20:15] <a|wen> apachelogger: indi is built off of kdeedu it looks like ... look at the source package for indi in debian
[20:18] <Nightrose> Riddell: ping
[20:19] <apachelogger> a|wen: I don't think there is any indi within kdeedu source anymore
[20:19] <apachelogger> they must build the package from SVN
[20:24] <a|wen> apachelogger: well, their indi package magically comes out of their kdeedu tarball ... there is nothing in their diff.gz
[20:29] <apachelogger> a|wen: there is no indi in there
[20:29] <apachelogger> neither in SVN
[20:29] <apachelogger> they just pull it from the indi svn at sf.net and version it according to the previously applied scheme when indi was still part of kdeedu
[20:30] <a|wen> apachelogger: i'm wondering what debian then have in their indi package
[20:31] <apachelogger> a|wen: indi?
[20:31] <a|wen> well, it is build from the kdeedu.orig.tar.gz ... but if that one doesn't contain indi i'm a bit at a loss
[20:32] <apachelogger> a|wen: they probably add it
[20:32] <a|wen> to the tarball; not unlikely
[20:33] <apachelogger> it is certainly not in upstreams tarball
[20:33] <apachelogger> anyway, that is all rather unimportant :P
[20:33] <apachelogger> indi is an independent project with independent tarballs, so whatever debian does is awkward
[20:34] <a|wen> looks like it ... but yeah, if it isn't in the upstream tarball, will have to do the shuffling around as described
[20:37] <a|wen> now we just need to find someone with a telescope to test it
[20:43] <apachelogger> as it seems there are some candidates :P
[20:46] <a|wen> true; we just need to convince them to try it out on a karmic alpha
[20:47] <Riddell> evening Nightrose
[20:47] <Nightrose> hey Riddell  :)
[20:47] <Nightrose> Riddell: are you subscribed to the kde mentor list?
[20:47] <Nightrose> (for gsoc)
[20:47] <Riddell> Nightrose: not any more I'm not
[20:48] <Nightrose> ok cause one of your umbrello students from last year wants to do Season of KDE this year (with you i assume)
[20:48] <Nightrose> want me to forward it?
[20:49] <Riddell> Nightrose: actually I have got that e-mail
[20:49] <Riddell> maybe I am still on that list
[20:49] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[20:49] <Nightrose> so you are handeling it?
[20:49] <ghostcube> hmm what date is the final planned to be released ?
[20:51] <Riddell> Nightrose: yes I'll reply thanks
[20:51] <Riddell> ghostcube: manana
[20:52] <Nightrose> thanks
[20:59] <ghostcube> Riddell, -_-
[21:06] <a|wen> ghostcube: 23rd
[21:07] <ghostcube> a|wen, thx
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> hehe: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Jedi+Kubuntux?content=103187
[22:30] <_sime> is there group here going to GCDS? if so which hotel?
[22:36] <claydoh> omg the mailing list is full of people who literally need handholding  :/
[22:36] <claydoh> ok so its really only 2, but realease day is going to b e fun I think :)
[22:37] <tsimpson> if you have an insane definition of "fun", sure
[22:46] <claydoh> tsimpson: I have an insane and sacrastic definition :)
[22:47] <tsimpson> what release day means for me: re-enable my alias for "(user): no, it's not out yet"
[22:47] <tsimpson> and my alias for "(user): no, and stop asking every minute"
[22:51] <claydoh> yup
[22:52] <claydoh> I will be stuck at work all day, so will miss the fun, but that means there will be more fun to catch up with when i get home
[23:34] <Daskreech> kb9vqf: ping
[23:44] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: pong
[23:44] <Daskreech> should I keep seeding?
[23:45] <Daskreech> Eveyone seems to have moved on
[23:45] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Do you have the RC2 torrent files?
[23:45] <Daskreech> no
[23:45] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: That's why ;-)
[23:45] <Daskreech> ;-)
[23:46] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: I'm still getting slammed over here
[23:46] <Daskreech> How many seeders do you have for that?
[23:46] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: Right now, just a couple
[23:46] <kb9vqf> Including myself
[23:47] <Daskreech> How many leechers?
[23:47] <kb9vqf> Earlier I had ~14 downloaders (not leeching, fortunately) for a 1MBit average speed...when bittorrent works, it works very well
[23:48] <kb9vqf> Not sure right now
[23:48] <Daskreech> kb9vqf: It works better when you have like 5 pipes at start. Having one person start of for a popular item is going to start chokes
[23:49] <kb9vqf> We'll need to synchronize something for final release I think...I hate to see what kind of traffic that'll generate :-)
[23:51] <kb9vqf> I'll probably be a day later than the official release, as I still have some minor bugs that need fixing and no time to fix them...
[23:55] <nixternal> apachelogger: great blog post!