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magciusAmpelbein, mpd DOES support Album Artist BTW.00:38
Ampelbeinmagcius: yeah, in git-HEAD. but not in the version we have in the archives ;-)00:38
magciusAmpelbein, that's an Ubuntu issue then. Use a PPA for now.00:39
KIAazeI noticed the PPA build system automatically uses the PPA as source for other packages. Will this work too if I upload a Jaunty package depending on an Intrepid package in the same PPA?00:39
magciusAmpelbein, it kind of makes no sense to log a bug against NOT the development version.00:39
magciusAmpelbein, also, try #mpd00:40
Ampelbeinmagcius: it is a bug in the ubuntu-repositories. sidenote: i didn't file it, i don't even use mpd. i was just looking through triaged-bugs in uni/multiverse to see what has already been fixed upstream and is worth including.00:40
magciusAh, okay.00:40
magciusWorth including in what?00:41
Ampelbeinmagcius: next ubuntu version or perhaps as a SRU/backport in hardy/intrepid/jaunty00:41
magciusAmpelbein, what do you maintain?00:41
Ampelbeinmagcius: nothing in particular, but i am on the road to achieve MOTU so i am looking for opportunities00:42
Ampelbeinmagcius: btw: lets switch to /msg, #launchpad is not really appropriate for such discussion ;-)00:43
* magcius is a music producer so every time he sees MOTU he thinks "Mark of the Unicorn." He needs to get out of that habit.00:43
Ampelbeinheh00:43
magciusI don't know anything about the Ubuntu maintenance structure, but I think you would have to contact the mpd package maintainer for rebuild.00:44
Ampelbeinmagcius: ubuntu works different than debian. there are no single-maintainers for the packages. There are teams who maintain everything, MOTU (=Masters of the Universe) being one of them. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment for more information00:47
magciusThat seems a little overzealous and silly.00:48
Ampelbeinmagcius: yet appropriate. packages which are not core-packages reside in universe (or multiverse if there are licensing issues). it shouldn't be taken too serious.00:49
magciusBut packages should be maintained and built by someone who knows how.00:50
magciusAssigning someone to work on the packages he knows best seems yet more fitting.00:51
Ampelbeinand if that someone drops out for whatever reason the package is orphaned and needs to be adopted by someone else. so why not have a team take collective care of the packages? one can always concentrate on few packages to "maintain".00:52
magciusThen he should be responsible, opt out and delegate someone to take his place.00:53
Ampelbeinmagcius: you can come to #ubuntu-motu if you feel there is something wrong with the current ubuntu-way. i think it works well for now.00:54
Ampelbeinand the point is: if there is a new upstream version, I don't have to wait for the maintainer to finally start working on it, I can just do the update myself and have it sponsored.00:55
KIAaze<KIAaze> I noticed the PPA build system automatically uses the PPA as source for other packages. Will this work too if I upload a Jaunty package depending on an Intrepid package in the same PPA? -> The answer is no. ;)01:06
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maxbKIAaze: but, you can copy the intrepid-package into the jaunty distroseries within your PPA, and then it will01:43
wgrantmagcius: We have only a few dozen active developers. Having maintainers for each would mean we'd all need to maintain hundreds of packages.01:45
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sorenI've seen mailing lists on Launchpad that had private archives... Can I set that up myself for one of my teams or do I need one of you guys to do it?08:03
noodles775Hi soren, let me know if this question/answer helps:08:16
noodles775https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/4098008:16
sorennoodles775: I'm afraid not. a) That pertains to PPA's, not mailing lists, and b) it doesn't really have an answer except for kiko telling the person asking the question that he'll tell him out-of-band when it's available :)08:28
noodles775soren: sorry, I misunderstood "private archives" to mean private personal archives... my mistake.08:29
* noodles775 checks faq again...08:29
noodles775So soren, I'm not 100%, but as far as I can see, a private mailing list comes with a commercial (private) subscription... worth checking with barry as to whether that's the rule?08:33
sorennoodles775: I'll ping him when he gets online. He's in EST somewhere, isn't he?08:34
noodles775Yep.08:34
sorennoodles775: Cool. Thanks.08:35
Rafikhello world08:36
spmnoodles775: soren: istr that private lists need to be set that way at creation/approval time08:38
spmsoren: so if you have one you'd like, that should be doable. I suspect you won't need a commercial subscription? :-)08:38
noodles775spm: Yeah, I'm not sure, I couldn't find any related faq. Great.08:38
sorenspm: I don't see "Make private" sort of checkbox anywhere on the form for creating a mailing list?08:38
spmnoodles775: there may not be one. yet. :-/08:39
sorenspm: No, for this one, I probably won't need a special subscription. :)08:39
spmsoren: you wouldn't be able to. it'd someting myself or one of the other admins would do - as part of the list approval I suspect.08:39
sorenWell... Not any more special than it already is :)08:39
spmheh08:39
sorenspm: I see, ok.08:39
sorenspm: If there's an existing mailling list with an archive we wouldn't mind throwing away, would it be possible to nuke it and recreate as a privately archived list?08:40
spmsoren: easily. have nuked a few now. is great fun! ;-)08:40
sorenspm: :)08:40
spmbut may be worth checking with barry if you want the archive?08:41
sorenspm: I'm checking up on that..08:43
spmsoren: appears the change doesn't even need to mess around with the list. can be done fairly easily.08:46
sorenspm: Oh, great. Can you do it?08:46
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mdzI'm seeing an oops on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/+bug/35951810:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 359518 in acroread "acroread failed to update in 8.10" [Medium,Triaged]10:22
mdzOOPS-1208EA22210:22
Kangarooohow to repport a bug? i found correct projec i ca view bugs but i dont see button to report one wher can i find it?10:34
wgrantKangarooo: On the Bugs tab of the project, you can find the 'Report a bug' link in the top right. It should be green.10:35
Kangarooono its really not there.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website see? maybe they disable posibility to report?10:37
wgrantKangarooo: That's not a project - that's a team.10:37
wgrantIt doesn't really make sense to file a bug on a group of people!10:37
LarstiQKangarooo: https://edge.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website is the project10:38
Kangaroooah now i understood.. teams has many projects and projects only have bugs :) ok :D10:38
jtvmdz: I'll have a look, thanks10:42
wgrantThat bug works on staging.10:43
wgrantMaybe it decided that it didn't want to make any more people suffer the deluge of 'unsubscribe' messages.10:43
jtvmdz: I get it too.  I'm checking for existing bugs, and filing one if necessary.10:44
mdzjtv: thanks10:46
jtvmdz: bug 36504410:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 365044 in malone "KeyError when requesting bug page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36504410:49
mdzjtv: subscribed, thank you10:50
jtvBjornT, did you see it?10:54
intellectronicajtv: i'm looking at it now10:57
jtvintellectronica: speaking of which....  ;-)10:57
* wgrant points out that +text works fine, which might be useful.10:58
intellectronicajtv: sorry for not getting to your review. got home very late. allenap agreed to take over, since he's ocr today10:58
jtvintellectronica: ok, thanks.  I'll be annoying to him for a bit.10:58
jtvNo need to punish your helpful nature all the time.10:58
intellectronicawgrant: aha. another interesting fact is that it works fine on staging, so this must be because of a recent change10:58
wgrantintellectronica: Right. I wonder if it's the comment hiding combined with change interleaving?10:59
wgrantintellectronica: I did mention the staging workyness up there a bit.10:59
intellectronicawgrant: yes, that's quite possible. sorry, just got in and didn't follow the scrollback yet10:59
wgrantintellectronica: That is of course a wild guess, but that change seems slightly relevant.11:00
intellectronicawgrant: it probably is11:01
wgrantI wondered when I saw that bug if you'd considered that case...11:01
intellectronicaanother interesting fact is that it doesn't always oops11:01
wgrantI've never had it not oops.11:02
intellectronica60% oopsing for me so far11:02
wgrantIt also works on prod, so it's not bugged data.11:03
wgrantErm. Now +text is oopsing.11:06
wgrantAh, and now it works.11:06
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wgrantcprov: Thanks for those API exports! That was nice and quick.11:28
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geseris there an easy way to see how many (and which) HTTP request the use of the LP API generates? I want to see if it's worth to try to optimize my script to generate less HTTP requests11:47
wgrantgeser: You can get it to print out all the requests it makes.11:47
wgrantSomewhere in httplib.11:47
thekorn_geser, import httplib2; httplib2.debuglevel = 123423411:49
thekorn_before    import launchpadlib11:49
geseris this magic number somewhere explained?11:50
thekorn_geser, no, it just has to be != 011:51
thekorn_so True for python11:51
geserah, so setting it to 1 would have the same effect?11:51
thekorn_yes11:52
thekorn_sorry for complicating things11:52
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geserthe Etag for an object I request through the LP API shouldn't change between requests, right? (the requests are < 1 sec apart)12:27
savvasis it just me or is the "Bug attachments" margin outside of its box? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit-gnome/+bug/249104 (menu on the right)13:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 249104 in packagekit-gnome "FTBFS on sparc due to false positive warning and -Werror" [High,Triaged]13:02
jtvsavvas: I see a filename running outside the box13:34
savvasjtv: that's the one!13:34
jtvsavvas: though it'd probably do that anyway because of browsers being shy about breaking lines.13:34
savvasoh ok :) firefox 3.0 here!13:35
jtvsavvas: same here.  Don't think there's much we can do about it.  :-/13:35
savvasthe weird thing is..13:35
savvasah no, nothing13:35
savvasyou're right13:36
jtvWell, maybe a tooltip.  But there's also the link preview, of course.13:36
savvasdon't worry, midori shows it fine :)13:37
savvasthanks13:37
savvasOOPS-1208EB36914:20
savvason https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/+bug/35951814:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 359518 in acroread "acroread failed to update in 8.10" [Medium,Triaged]14:20
savvasand reproduceable :P14:20
wgrantsavvas: Bug #36504414:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 365044 in malone "KeyError when requesting bug page" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36504414:21
wgrantsavvas: It works on launchpad.net14:21
savvasawesome!14:21
savvasjust disabled it, thanks :)14:21
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pancakehow can i upload release tarballs in launchpad? i did it some time ago and im unable to find the link ://15:14
savvaspancake: create a milestone and then create a release15:19
savvaspancake: try it out on http://staging.launchpad.net :)15:19
pancakeoh i see15:19
pancakeok15:19
savvasit's a demo where whatever changes you do will be lost15:20
pancakenot very userfriendly :P15:20
savvasthat's what I thought at first, but it's developer-friendly :)15:20
pancakedevelopers use the shell, webs and icons are confusing to me15:20
savvasa milestone shows the bugs you're targetting, and a release is the product of all that bug-squashing :P15:20
pancakeyep, but i have no bugs reported :P i fix them before they are reported ;)15:21
savvaser..15:22
savvascheck your trunk15:22
pancake?15:22
savvashttps://edge.launchpad.net/project/trunk15:22
savvasthere's a "Create a release" link on the right15:22
pancakethat's only on edge?15:22
savvasyep15:22
pancakeah im using the 'stable' interface15:22
savvasjust head to edge, it's not that unstable if you ask me :)15:23
pancakeok15:23
savvasand you can easily disable it at http://launchpad.net (where you'll see a button to disable it for 2 hours) if anything goes wrong15:23
savvashere's the group: https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-beta-testers15:24
pancakeok thanks .)15:25
pancakehttps://launchpad.net/elisa-plugin-httpinput/trunk/0.2 released15:26
mdzis it possible to search for bugs by date range using the launchpad API?15:33
mdze.g., "iterate over all of the Ubuntu bugs reported in the past three days"15:33
savvasmdz: I just head to the "newest first" and grab them from there - I don't know the api though :)15:35
savvasorderby=-date_last_updated15:36
savvasthere should be something similar in the api15:36
mdzsavvas: I don't see anything in the docs15:36
savvasand sorry, not newest first, bug "most recently changed"15:36
savvasI'll check15:36
mdzI can get the N most recent bugs filed on all of Launchpad, but that's not quite what I want15:37
intellectronicamdz: date range is not yet possible, but ordering by dates is15:37
mdzintellectronica: hmm. I'm guessing that asking for all Ubuntu bugs ordered by date is probably not a good idea?15:38
mdzare they lazy loaded?15:38
intellectronicamdz: the come in batches, so you could iterate until you reach your cutoff date15:38
mdzintellectronica: oh good, I'll try that15:38
mdzintellectronica: what is the type of order_by?15:40
intellectronicamdz: ehrm ... string :-/15:40
kikowell, what would it be otherwise? :)15:41
mdzbugs = ubuntu.searchTasks(order_by='date_created')15:41
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mdzlaunchpadlib.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error15:41
intellectronicamdz: any of the values available in the web search15:41
intellectronicamdz: datecreated, i think. let me check15:41
mdzintellectronica: it's date_created on the bugtask object15:41
mdzintellectronica: datecreated works15:41
intellectronicamdz: and in your case, '-datecreated'15:42
mdzintellectronica: yep, figured that out, thanks15:42
savvasmdz: you want them by date created or by date recently changed?15:44
savvasactually never mind, I guess you've got it :)15:44
mdzTypeError: can't compare offset-naive and offset-aware datetimes15:49
mdzhint?15:49
mdzI'm comparing against datetime.datetime.utcnow()15:50
james_wmdz: if you save datetime.datetime.utcnow() as dt then you should be able to compare dt to bug_task.date_created.replace(tzinfo=dt.tzinfo)15:54
james_w(as lp returns all dates in UTC, but you get offset-naive objects from launchpadlib)15:55
mdzjames_w: that's basically what I ended up doing...I took bug_task.date_created and smashed .tzinfo to None15:57
hyperairhow does rosetta grab translations from a package?16:02
henningehyperair: through the build process16:02
hyperairhenninge: at which stage?16:03
hyperairhenninge: and where does it import the translations from?16:03
hyperairlike po/*.po?16:03
hyperairor something?16:03
henningehyperair: after the build in soyuz the translation files are taken from the package and uploaded to rosetta.16:04
hyperairhenninge: define translation files16:04
henningehyperair: that is done by a script16:04
hyperairhenninge: which files are considered translation files?16:04
henningehyperair: usually .po and .pot files.16:04
henningehyperair: I am assuming you are talking about Ubuntu packages, right?16:05
hyperairhenninge: indeed i am.16:05
henningehyperair: mozilla has .xpi files.16:05
hyperairhenninge: i see. after translations are done, how are they distributed to the users?16:05
cprovhyperair: `apt-cache show pkgbinarymangler`, that's what is used to strip translations in build time.16:06
henningehenninge: the Ubuntu translations done in Launchpad are only for the main component16:06
henningehyperair: ^16:06
henningehyperair: and they are distributed through the language packs.16:06
hyperairhenninge: ah i see.16:07
hyperaironly for stuff in main eh16:07
henningehyperair: any other package must bring their own translations ...16:07
hyperairright16:07
hyperairhenninge: thanks16:07
savvasthe language-pack-xx ? :)16:08
henningehyperair: welcome16:08
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sorenI need someone to help me create a private team on staging.16:39
intellectronicasoren: i think mthaddon can help?16:49
sorenintellectronica: kiko's helping already. Thanks, though :)16:50
intellectronicacool16:50
magciusHmm... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/notify-osd16:50
magciusThere seems to be a bug with the graph renderer there.16:51
intellectronicamagcius: what's the bug? it looks fine to me16:52
magciusintellectronica, see the weird white thing sticking out?16:56
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magciusI presume that's from rendering a miter joint.16:57
intellectronicamagcius: ah yes. well, a pretty minor bug, but feel free to file it16:58
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rippsThe PPA builder Francium is down, but I have a build stuck in it, what do I do?17:07
cprovripps: talk to me ;)17:07
cprovripps: I will fix in a minute.17:07
rippscprov: thanks17:07
cprovripps: I'm also fixing the *bug*, so i don't have to do that for the rest of my life.17:08
cprovripps: building somewhere else, for real.17:11
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mdzintellectronica: can I get bug comments via the API?17:34
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mdzah, they're called messages17:35
intellectronicamdz: yes. bug.messages17:36
mdzintellectronica: is iterating over bug.messages and reading the subject slow (will it download all of the message bodies as well)?17:36
intellectronicamdz: yes, you can't get a partial object17:38
thumperintellectronica: it does batch it though doesn't it?17:57
intellectronicathumper: yes indeed17:58
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cjwatsonhi, could somebody look at https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/68267 urgently please? we're using that PPA for urgent toolchain bootstrapping for Ubuntu karmic and Launchpad is saying it's oversized18:55
cjwatsoncprov,herb`,mthaddon: Curtis tells me you can answer the above ^-18:58
cjwatsonah, cprov is on it, thanks :)18:58
jkakarIt may a local (or local ISP) issue, but I'm finding launchpad.net *very* slow right now.19:17
kerncoDoes anyone know if there's been anything done towards making an Eclipse/Mylyn plugin for launchpad bugs and blueprints?19:51
craig_Hi everyone. I've just been reading a bug report on _deleting product series_ of a project. I found that this is what: https://launchpad.net/obsolete-junk is for20:40
craig_How do I reassign a product series to this project? Or is there no way to at the moment?20:40
savvasI guess the people of obsolete-junk can assign it back (?)20:45
craig_I've just filed a deletion request in the launchpad itself answers, hopefully they will do it soon. Was just wondering if it was possible to do this manually.20:47
savvascraig_: you could just set it as "Abandoned"20:47
savvasor Obsolete20:48
craig_I've got them set to Obsolete at the moment, but they still appear in certain instances, such as the bug tracker20:48
craig_I read on a few other deletion requests that the functionality to do this manually is due out soon, is this true do you know?20:49
craig_Or rather, when exactly is it due?20:49
savvasno idea20:50
craig_Ok thanks for the assistance anyway savvas, very much appreciated.20:50
craig_Peace. :)20:50
savvascraig_:  but personally, I would like to have a public "deletion request" so that other people looking for it, or people trying to help them do not get confused20:50
savvasgrr :p20:51
jkakarAny launchpadlib hackers around?  I'm seeing an error I haven't encountered before: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/156106/21:05
jkakarleonardr: ^^?21:06
leonardrlooking21:06
leonardrjkakar, unless someone else is editing those bugs at the same time as you, you've run into bug 33686621:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 336866 in launchpadlib "When adding tag or updating description, lp_save() gives "HTTP Error 412: Precondition Failed"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33686621:06
leonardrit's a high-importance bug that i hope to address soon21:07
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leonardrif someone else is editing those bugs at the same time as you, that's normal behavior intended to prevent conflicts21:07
jkakarleonardr: Ah, thanks.  In case it helps, this is the (bulk of the) code running that produces this issue: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/156109/21:07
barry_abentley: any idea what's causing this? https://pastebin.canonical.com/16688/21:08
abentleybarry_: No, not really, you can bypass it by prefixing "nosmart+".  Which means we can blame spiv.21:09
barry_abentley: okay, thanks will try that21:10
Edgar1hello I need some help in something21:19
Edgar1I'm a newbie in all of this of open source21:19
Edgar1I'm using Ubuntu, I have the OliveGUI of bazaar21:20
Edgar1and I have made some fixes to a file of a project, I got the code of that project by the bzr branch ... command21:20
Edgar1but I want to upload(send) the file I made the fixes to the server21:20
Edgar1how can I do this?21:21
mwhudsonEdgar1: does https://help.launchpad.net/CreatingAHostedBranch help?21:29
Edgar1let see21:33
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Edgar1it work thanks21:48
Strider^hello22:06
Strider^i have some questions about the ssh keys i have to publish in lauchpad to use bzr22:06
Strider^right now i only only ssh to my server with a root account(it's ok i know what i'm doing), i assume i shouldn't publish this key to launchpad right ?22:07
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AmpelbeinStrider^: it's only the public part you publish.22:12
AmpelbeinStrider^: noone can use it to break into your server.22:12
Strider^oh ok, i've used keys with ssh but i assumed that as long as someone had the key then it would be possible to log in without a password22:14
rockstarStrider^, there's two parts of the key: a public part and a private part.  You only upload the public part.22:15
Strider^ok so i publish the public key so that i can log in to launchpad but launchpad looging on my server isn't possible, is that right ?22:17
rockstarStrider^, right.22:17
Strider^lauchpad can't login sorry22:17
Strider^ok thanks22:17
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