[00:05] <Szadek> i have sound ... but i dont know waht happened
[00:06] <Szadek> i reboot using the other kernel , nothing happened , rebooted again using the latest , and sound works again well this is strange
[00:07] <BUGabundo> Szadek: es tuga?
[00:07] <Szadek> bugabundo : sim
[00:07] <BUGabundo> didn't see you on #ubuntu-pt
[00:09] <Szadek> well , i prefer here , so i can train my english writting =)
[00:09] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:09] <BUGabundo> please join us there _too_
[00:09] <Szadek> but you're right ill join there too
[00:09] <Szadek> there i am =)
[00:11] <zbrahead91> Hello?
[00:12] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: hi
[00:13] <zbrahead91> Anyone else got any sound issues?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> some do sure
[00:13] <BUGabundo> what's up with you zbrahead91?
[00:13] <zbrahead91> How to fix them please :(
[00:13] <cjae> Hi,, when using the plasma dashboard in kubuntu 9.04 can I have the widgets I install opnly show when I use "show the plasma dashboard"?
[00:14] <cjae> only*
[00:14] <zbrahead91> I have startrek and cannot watch. The ulyimate travesty
[00:14] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: you have to talk to dtchen. but he is way now
[00:14] <zbrahead91> well, hear :p
[00:14] <zbrahead91> >.<
[00:14] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: file a bug and he will get in touch with you , or you can ping him back in here when he comes back
[00:15] <zbrahead91> Hmm
[00:15] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: for bug use: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[00:15] <BUGabundo> but try opening alsamixer on terminal and see if everything is unmuted
[00:15] <zbrahead91> How do I switch (temporarily) to OSS?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> $ pasuspend APPTORUN
[00:16] <BUGabundo> that will give you alsa
[00:16] <Volkodav_> no updates last 2 days - is it all done for release ?
[00:16] <zbrahead91> alsa fails to according to Sounds
[00:16] <zbrahead91> I updated today
[00:16] <zbrahead91> last nights updates, methinks
[00:16] <zbrahead91> which broke my audio >:(
[00:17] <zhurai> question: what exactly is the difference between ext3 and ext4?
[00:17] <kklimonda> Volkodav_: more or less
[00:18] <zhurai> ...>_>
[00:18] <BUGabundo> zhurai: google for it. too many to enumerate here
[00:18] <kklimonda> Volkodav_: there may be some last minute exceptions in universe but nothing big.
[00:18] <kklimonda> zhurai: check wikipedia
[00:18] <zhurai> I am >_>
[00:18] <kklimonda> there is nice article about ext4 afair
[00:18] <zbrahead91> !ext4
[00:18] <Volkodav_> netbook remix seems to have some issues
[00:18] <thots> http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page , some info on ext4
[00:18] <zbrahead91> !ext3
[00:19] <zbrahead91> Ooo-err Ubottu needs updating :p
[00:19] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: feel free to susgest a factoid
[00:19] <zbrahead91> SOUND LIVES \ o /
[00:20] <zbrahead91> Unmuting headphones did the trick, odly
[00:20] <BUGabundo> nice!
[00:20] <zbrahead91> #I also PPA'ed 0.9.15
[00:20] <zbrahead91> Star trek, come to pappy :D
[00:20] <zbrahead91> bye and thanks BUGabundo + rep to you
[00:27] <mrwes> Is there going to be a final kernel update on the 23rd?
[00:29] <Hammer89> Just updated to 9.04... impressed so far. Working flawlessly.
[00:30] <coz_> guys just noticed that ryhthmnbox opens to systray  not windowed  and I see not setting to change that?
[00:31] <drinkycrow> i don't think you can
[00:32] <coz_> drinkycrow, what rythmbox?
[00:32] <drinkycrow> yeah
[00:32] <coz_> drinkycrow,  sure  it always opened windowed until jaunty
[00:32] <drinkycrow> i'm running intrepid and it doesn't open windowed
[00:32] <drinkycrow> it didn't in hardy either
[00:32] <coz_> drinkycrow,  yeah it did in both for me
[00:32] <drinkycrow> idk what to tell you
[00:32] <drinkycrow> i did a fresh install of intrepid 3 days ago and that's not how it happens
[00:32] <coz_> drinkycrow,  no biggied just something I noticed
[00:33] <mrwes> I'm opened to the screen
[00:33] <mrwes> er mine
[00:33] <fizk> In jaunty, why does shutdown just logout the user?
[00:33] <coz_> mrwes,  you opened to the window?
[00:34] <mrwes> yah
[00:34] <mrwes> Lemme try it again...hold
[00:34] <coz_> mrwes, thats been typical here as well until  jaunty
[00:34] <fizk> sorry
[00:34] <mrwes> coz_, yep -- opened straight to the Window
[00:34] <coz_> fizk,   are you hitting the shutdown icon on the panel?
[00:34] <fizk> does anyone know why shutdown leads to logout?
[00:35] <fizk> yup
[00:35] <coz_> mrwes,  yeah its suppose to open windowed
[00:35] <mrwes> version 0.12.0
[00:35] <coz_> fizk,  mm  I generally just go to System/shutdown
[00:35] <coz_> mrwes, let me check here
[00:36] <fizk> coz_: System -> Shutdown ?
[00:36] <coz_> mrwes,  mmm same version here   maybe I will uninstall and reinstal
[00:36] <coz_> fizk,  are you running gnome or kde?
[00:36] <fizk> coz_: i don't see that
[00:36] <fizk> coz_: gnome
[00:36] <BUGabundo> coz_: fizk that's no longer there!
[00:36] <mrwes> anyone else running gnome-do?
[00:36] <BUGabundo> FUSA now removes that
[00:36]  * BUGabundo screams to mrwes MEEEEEEEEE
[00:36] <coz_> BUGabundo,  oh!  I am upgrading the beta here it is still there
[00:36] <mrwes> heh...Bu
[00:37] <BUGabundo> coz_: shouldn't
[00:37] <mrwes> BUGabundo, I just installed it -- seems pretty kewl
[00:37] <mrwes> never used it before
[00:37] <coz_> BUGabundo,  I have  a dbus command actually I use to shutdown the system or call up the UI
[00:37] <fizk> shutdown leads to logout...a bug, no?
[00:38] <fizk> i shouldn't be the only one
[00:38] <coz_> fizk,  open a terminal and paste this command see if it is what you want to see
[00:38] <coz_> fizk,     dbus-send --dest=org.gnome.SessionManager /org/gnome/SessionManager org.gnome.SessionManager.Shutdown
[00:38] <BUGabundo> mrwes: when you find the ALL Plugins you will like it even more
[00:38] <BUGabundo> fizk: AFAIK you are the only one
[00:39] <coz_> mrwes, just installed what?
[00:39] <fizk> BUGabundo: dang
[00:39] <mrwes> BUGabundo, yah I'm actually looking at that now
[00:39] <mrwes> coz_, gnome-do
[00:39] <coz_> BUGabundo,  which app are you talking about?
[00:40] <coz_> oh   ok  I didnt like that one :)
[00:40] <BUGabundo> am I lagged? I saw the reply before the question
[00:40] <BUGabundo> coz_: there's no way you don't like it! only if you don't use it or you are a MOUSE crazy person
[00:40] <mrwes> wow...even one for SSH
[00:40] <coz_> BUGabundo,  no I have a wacom tablet that I use with Easystroke
[00:40] <BUGabundo> I hate mice, so having a keyboard do all with 3 chars is GREAT
[00:40] <coz_> much nicer
[00:41] <cecko> hi all, where should i look to get help getting my microphone to work?
[00:41] <mrwes> yah I like doing things from the keyboard too
[00:41] <kklimonda> hmm.. i just got a weird bug. when i change screen brightness both old and new notification is displayed
[00:41] <BUGabundo> cecko: what's up ?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> this is crazy. 8 ppl asking audio question in 4 h? what happened last night?
[00:42] <kklimonda> probably because g-p-m for root is launched..
[00:42] <cecko> BUGabundo I'm on dell precision m4400 running kubuntu jaunty and the mic is not working
[00:43] <BUGabundo> cecko: open alsamixer on a terminal and check to see if all levers are unmuted
[00:44] <coz_> ah uninstalled and reinstalled rhythmbox  it now opens windowed :)
[00:44] <cecko> BUGabundo ok, (i have tried kmix already) fyi this is not since last night only .)
[00:44] <mrwes> no updates today aye?
[00:45] <kklimonda> mrwes: there were few packages updated but nothing big.
[00:45] <BluesKaj> non yet , prolly saving them up for thurs
[00:45] <mrwes> ahh
[00:45] <coz_> cecko,  which mike is this ..make and model I mean?
[00:45] <mrwes> BUGabundo, can I execute a bash aliases from gnome-do?
[00:46] <cecko> coz_ could you suggest where to find that info?
[00:46] <BUGabundo> mrwes: never tested
[00:47] <coz_> cecko,  well actually the best place to go for audio issues  on any system is  #alsa  channel
[00:47] <coz_> cecko,  they would most likely be  more capable of getting to the root of the issue more quickly
[00:48] <mrwes> BUGabundo, you can open a terminal, just don't know how to pass the aliases to it from gnome-do
[00:48] <BUGabundo> mrwes: time to write a plugin?
[00:48] <cecko> coz_ to my root as well? ok, I'm going there .)
[00:48] <coz_> cecko,  what do you mean?
[00:48] <mrwes> BUGabundo, I don't know how to do that :(
[00:48] <coz_> cecko,   just go to the alsa channel
[00:49] <coz_> cecko,   #alsa   or   /join #alsa
[00:49] <cecko> coz_ thank you
[00:49] <mrwes> BUGabundo, do you use the superkey and spacebar ?
[00:49]  * magcius wonders if osd-notify has improved since he last played with it.
[00:50] <coz_> cecko,  not trying to push you away here guy:)  its just that the alsa chennel had much more experienced people. hopefully, to deal with sound specific issues including hardware compatability
[00:51] <BUGabundo> mrwes: yes of course
[00:51] <mrwes> BUGabundo, oh...I was wondering if the bind keys can be changed
[00:51] <magcius> Can some people answer some silly questions about notify-osd?
[00:51] <magcius> I want to see if it is worth wasting my time again.
[00:51] <BUGabundo> mrwes: it can
[00:52] <BUGabundo> magcius: what's up ?
[00:52]  * BUGabundo starts to be very very tired! 1am here
[00:52] <magcius> BUGabundo, does it still cut off messages and shrink images to a really silly size?
[00:52] <BUGabundo> img size here looks good
[00:52] <mrooney> silly is a very relative term
[00:52] <BUGabundo> even to big some times
[00:52] <magcius> BUGabundo, it was around 50x50 for me.
[00:52] <coz_> magcius,   what is it you want to know ?
[00:53] <BUGabundo> and messages are still trunked when too big, but they are BIG enough
[00:53] <magcius> BUGabundo, are multiline messages supported?
[00:53] <BUGabundo> I see at least 8 lines of test
[00:53] <BUGabundo> let me test it with a really long text
[00:54] <magcius> Okay.
[00:54] <magcius> So this is good for starters.
[00:54] <BUGabundo> $ notify-send fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[00:54] <BUGabundo> just shows 3 lines there
[00:54] <BUGabundo> but that's because its all HEAD
[00:54] <BUGabundo> body is much longer
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I just don't know how to do it
[00:55] <Tekno> humm
[00:55] <Tekno> is it possible to chat between users with notify-send :D
[00:55] <Tekno> ?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> ahh "space"
[00:55] <BUGabundo> Tekno: no of course not
[00:55] <coz_>  magcius  "maybe " this could help?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[00:56] <Tekno> write + notify would be cool
[00:57] <BUGabundo> magcius: I just tested and it has 3 lines for HEAD and 10 for BODY
[00:57] <timc> Hey, how do i disable the notification system?
[00:57] <Tekno> c
[00:57] <BUGabundo> timc: go back to ibex
[00:57] <BUGabundo> you can't do it on jaunty
[00:57] <mrwes> heh
[00:57] <mrwes> it's hard coded correct?
[00:57] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo, Sure about that, that doesn't sound right
[00:57] <BUGabundo> but some apps can do it too, like pidign
[00:58] <timc> so every time someone signs on pidgin, i will have a pop up notification?
[00:58] <BUGabundo> Jordan_U: do you know how?
[00:58] <magcius> Yeah... images are still extremely small.
[00:58] <magcius> But it's better.
[00:58] <BUGabundo> timc: no! you can change that on pidgin Plugins
[00:58] <BUGabundo> magcius: how big is your screen? its fine for me
[00:58] <mrwes> damn...gnome-do is sick
[00:58] <mrwes> heh
[00:58] <magcius> BUGabundo, 1600x1200
[00:58] <magcius> I hate gnome-do.
[00:59] <BUGabundo> magcius: file a bug to make the image vectorial and depdent on the screen size and resolution ?
[00:59] <magcius> Its TinyURL plugin is useless... it doesn't copy to the clipboard.
[00:59] <timc> i missed it first time around BUGabundo, thanks.
[00:59] <mrwes> and fast!
[00:59] <magcius> BUGabundo, or just use the original size?
[00:59]  * BUGabundo slaps magcius for talking down on DO
[00:59] <magcius> What's the point of a TinyURL plugin if it just shows you the URL on the screen?
[00:59] <magcius> And you can't even select it.
[01:00] <BUGabundo> magcius: do you really want a 800px avatar there?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> magcius: fill free to fix the plugin
[01:00] <magcius> BUGabundo, notify-send showed the original size and when apps needed to shrink they shrunk it themselves.
[01:01] <BUGabundo> didn't know
[01:01] <magcius> s/notify-send/notification-daemon/
[01:01] <magcius> Also, is there a way to turn on Compiz without having it reset all my settings?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[01:01] <magcius> And turn off all my plugins?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> magcius: alt+F2: compiz --reload ?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> magcius: alt+F2: compiz --replace ?
[01:02] <Halow> Why not tab to the "open url" the plugin makes, then copy it? o_0
[01:02] <Halow> For the Tiny url plugin.
[01:02] <magcius> Halow, because maybe firefox is closed?
[01:03] <magcius> Halow, and it takes like 10s to open up?
[01:04] <Halow> Hmmm... wonder just how hard it is to change those....
[01:06] <Halow> Actually....
[01:06] <magcius> BUGabundo, okay I just did that and gnome-panel isn't showing :(
[01:06] <Halow> magcius: You can copy it straight to clipboard. Tab to where it says open and press the down arrow and gives a wide range of options.
[01:10] <BUGabundo> magcius: really ? then you messed your WM. did you enable dontzap?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> other wise you need to go to a TTY and restart GDM
[01:18] <Hammer89> is there any way to change the settings for the indicator applet?
[01:19] <BUGabundo> Hammer89: NO
[01:20] <magcius> notify-osd seems to be sloooow
[01:20] <magcius> oh wait, it only shows one at a time???
[01:20] <kklimonda> magcius: yes
[01:20] <magcius> urggh... why?
[01:21] <kklimonda> magcius: design decision?
[01:21] <magcius> Is there a way to make it override the last notification?
[01:21] <magcius> Through notify-send?
[01:22] <kklimonda> magcius: i don't think so.
[01:23] <magcius> Things that differ from the de-facto implementation in a project that serves to be a replacement shouldn't be left to "design decisions"
[01:23] <magcius> That's an extremely immature design decision then.
[01:23] <magcius> I'm going to say that a lot of users are going to go unhappy.
[01:24] <magcius> Yes, it looks prettier, but when you set out to make a replacement the functionality should be the same.
[01:25] <daftykins> if you don't like it you don't have to run jaunty
[01:25] <magcius> ...
[01:25] <daftykins> no really, i'm just saying
[01:26] <kklimonda> magcius: there is gnome-stracciatella-session package which provides "clean" GNOME session (with notification-daemon instead of notify-osd and few other changes)
[01:26] <Paavi2_0> can anyone tell me which audio backend swfdec uses on jaunty?
[01:26] <magcius> If you provide something as a feature that's different, you don't go OUT OF YOUR WAY to force your differences on the user.
[01:26] <magcius> You provide a "legacy mode"
[01:26] <kklimonda> magcius: to be honest I don't know what fd.o specification says about it
[01:26] <daftykins> you're talking like this is the only OS where changes are forced upon users - care to look at Windows over the years magcius ? :P
[01:26] <kklimonda> notification-daemon isn't really standard by itself.
[01:27] <magcius> daftykins, and that's why I don't use it? Duh.
[01:27] <magcius> kklimonda, it's the de facto implementation.
[01:27] <daftykins> -_-
[01:27] <daftykins> so run Intrepid if you have issues :P
[01:27] <daftykins> and you're the one i'm saying 'duh' about, jesus
[01:27] <geek_> lol
[01:27] <BUGabundo> guys calm down! this is Off Topic, okay?
[01:27] <Paavi2_0> i get sound on rhythmbox et co. but with swfdec there's no sound. it does show the videos though...
[01:28] <magcius> And you still provide no solution.
[01:28] <BUGabundo> plus much as already been written about that on blogs, LP, and MLs
[01:28] <kklimonda> magcius: it doesn't matter imho - it doesn't follow specification in few points afaik so copying it's behaviour may not be the right way.
[01:28] <magcius> kklimonda, notification-daemon follows the exact freedesktop.org specification because the developers wrote BOTH.
[01:29] <kklimonda> magcius: it isn't true - i know at least one place where notification-daemon doesn't follow specification.
[01:29] <magcius> kklimonda, things that were not in the specification (like queueing behavior, possibility of actions, image resizing) is where they differ.
[01:29] <magcius> kklimonda, where?
[01:30] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: magcius: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic. thanks
[01:31] <magcius> How is this off the topic of the next Ubuntu?
[01:31] <BUGabundo> magcius: because its WontFix at the higher level
[01:32] <magcius> BUGabundo, then I'll fork notify-osd.
[01:32] <danbhfive> magcius: maybe you can just install notification-daemon?
[01:32] <magcius> danbhfive, but that's not an option when Jaunty releases for good.
[01:33] <BUGabundo> magcius: sure. great idea. maybe you can get a massive amount of user to use it
[01:33] <kklimonda> magcius: for example body text markup - specification says that only few (listed) tags are to be used by notifications.
[01:33] <kklimonda> magcius: but notification-daemon happili accept everything and so developers take it for granted.
[01:34] <kklimonda> magcius: and when doesn't current queue work for you?
[01:34] <magcius> And also, the volume indicator applet is broken on my system.
[01:35] <kklimonda> magcius: then file bug - obviously it should work
[01:35] <magcius> I don't want it to be labeled wontfix because I'm using OSSv4.
[01:36] <BluesKaj> !oss
[01:36] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[01:38] <magcius> Okay, this is broken.
[01:39] <magcius> If I notify-send -u normal test then 2 ms later do notify-send -u critical test2 the other one doesn't override it.
[01:41] <BUGabundo> magcius: $ ubuntu-bug notify-osd
[01:41] <kklimonda> magcius: critical notification does override all queued normal notifications.
[01:41] <rushton> hi all, sorry if this has been asked (a lot) before, but am i able to get effectively what will be released tomorrow instead of the rc?
[01:41] <magcius> kklimonda, all queued? Shouldn't a critical override the current notification?
[01:42] <BUGabundo>  !daily | rushton
[01:42] <rushton> oh excellent, thankyou
[01:42] <geek_> rushton: well, in theory, you should be able to install, and update to get a disk equivilent to the nightly builds
[01:42] <BUGabundo> magcius: I've been powdering that too
[01:42] <BUGabundo> I hate to not get the Disconection from NM in time
[01:44] <jtholmes> the nightly builds have actually stopped what is there now will only be respun if the problem is release critical otherwise as I understand it what is in the daily and current dirs etc. will be released
[01:45] <kklimonda> magcius: not according to NotifyOsd wiki page.
[01:45] <rushton> yeah that's why i thought the daily/nightly builds would be as good as the real thing :P
[01:45] <kklimonda> magcius: don't know what specifications says about it - from quick look they don't mention it at all.
[01:45] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: I see there from 20
[01:45] <BUGabundo> so they are running
[01:46] <Zelut> BUGabundo: yo, can you help me a bit more with this sound issue? I'm still stuck.
[01:46] <jtholmes> BUGabundo, some are from 20 and some are 20.1, 21.1, 21.3  21.4  but only minor changes
[01:47] <BUGabundo> Zelut: not much. you have to wait for dtchen
[01:47] <jtholmes> rushton, you should be able to upgrade now (barring catastrophic problem) and run update after the
[01:47] <jtholmes> release on thrus
[01:47] <jtholmes> thurs
[01:48] <ShackJack> Hi all - weird sound issue with recent Gateway install - speaker makes an intermittent "clicking" sound (?!) I don't have computer with me - just wondering if anyone's run across a similar issue?
[01:48] <rushton> yep, sounds good. thanks
[01:48] <Zelut> BUGabundo: thanks.
[01:48] <ShackJack> ^^ Sound system didn't default to PulseAudio for some reason, so I figure maybe I'd trying changing that to see if it stops the issue...
[01:48] <BUGabundo> ShackJack: known bug
[01:48] <jtholmes> rushton that way you beat the rush (ton) :>)
[01:48] <BUGabundo> ShackJack: bug 345627
[01:49] <BUGabundo> I forgot to rsync all my images today
[01:49] <BUGabundo> I'm doomed tommorow
[01:49] <geek_> jtholmes: lol. If you really wanted to beat the rush, you can always order a disk ;p
[01:49] <BUGabundo> cwillu I guess I'll have to testrun your script
[01:49] <geek_> (i admit i did, got impatient, then downloaded it ;p)
[01:49] <BUGabundo> geek_: thanks for remind me that I forgot yet again to make my special request
[01:50] <ShackJack> BUGabundo: Thanks - though I'm not sure that's it -for some reason the install didn;'t default to PulseAudio ... and it's more of a distinct "clicking" vs. scratching/crackling...
[01:50] <BUGabundo> aahh
[01:50] <jtholmes> geek_, true, true, but tooooo many of us like the long waits :)
[01:50] <geek_> jtholmes: I have a disk in the mail ;p
[01:50] <ShackJack> BUGabundo: I will have the owner try switching to PulseAudio though to see if that cures it... Don't know why fresh instll didn't default to that though...
[01:50] <geek_> ok, its for the box which keeps having its hard dtive die ;p
[01:51] <jtholmes> geek_, do you have slow comm line
[01:51] <rushton> heh i'm actually not usually so impatient, just need to do an install today :P
[01:52] <geek_> jtholmes: cable net. And i use axel to download. I tend to keep a recent official ubuntu disk in my toolkit in case
[01:52] <aprilhare> hey
[01:52] <mattwj2002> aprilhare are you running ipv6?
[01:52] <geek_> that way if someone wants to try it, i give them the disk, and order a new one
[01:52] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: ipv6 up and running :)
[01:52] <mattwj2002> how are you doing that?
[01:52] <mattwj2002> ipv6 proxy?
[01:52] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: miredo
[01:53] <mattwj2002> miredo ?
[01:53] <mattwj2002> !miredo
[01:53] <geek_> jtholmes: i got a nearly 800 kbps download speed using it ;p
[01:53] <jtholmes> geek_, well what is on  /cdimage now I suspect will not change much tomorrow everything but the kub dvd's has been tested for major show stopper bugs
[01:53] <geek_> ... DVD?
[01:53] <aprilhare> aye package in intrepid/jaunty - lets you tunnel ipv6 through routers etc
[01:53] <jtholmes> geek_, lucky u i get about 376
[01:53] <geek_> jtholmes: well i was using a threaded downloader
[01:54] <jtholmes> geek_, what is axel
[01:54] <geek_> i need to work out how to make it handle mirrors though, then i can spread out the load
[01:54] <geek_> jtholmes: its like wget, but it downloads with multiple threads
[01:54] <aprilhare> has anyone got the problem or knows how to fix a situation where the update manager doesn't realise that you have updated your package information recently? it thinks its been 8 days ago but it was 2 minutes ago..
[01:54] <geek_> makes better use of your connection
[01:54] <jtholmes> geek_, interesting will have to look into it
[01:55] <geek_> jtholmes: one tip, use the alternate display mode. the standard display mode uses up a load of CPU
[01:55] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: install miredo and enjoy ipv6 goodness
[01:55] <mattwj2002> sweet
[01:55] <mattwj2002> :D
[01:55] <geek_> aprilhare: which tunnel broker does that work with?
[01:55] <jtholmes> geek_, ok thanks
[01:55] <BUGabundo> geek_: jtholmes: using rsync makes that so insignificant!
[01:55] <aprilhare> geek_: it contacts either the m$ teredo server or a ubuntu one if memory serves
[01:55] <geek_> BUGabundo: there's a fast rsync mirror?
[01:55] <geek_> ahh
[01:56] <jtholmes> BUGabundo, i see, i always use rsync
[01:56] <BUGabundo> geek_: axel won't help you when the single copy of daily is on cdimage
[01:56]  * aprilhare throws things at his update manager
[01:56] <geek_> BUGabundo: it will help as long as there's a http download thing ;)
[01:56] <BUGabundo> geek_: not faster, but saves you from downloading it all again
[01:57] <mattwj2002> aprilhare do I have to restart or anything?
[01:57] <geek_> hmm
[01:57] <aprilhare> no
[01:57] <mattwj2002> let me try to restart pidgin
[01:57] <geek_> anyone know how i can get the gnome network manager accessable in another desktop environment?
[01:58] <BUGabundo> geek_: I know it works with KDE
[01:58] <BUGabundo> actually I think you want nm-applet
[01:58] <BUGabundo> network-manager is a system daemon
[01:58] <mattwj2002> hmm
[01:59] <geek_> ahh
[01:59] <geek_> thats what i needed
[01:59] <geek_> BUGabundo: lxde in my case
[01:59] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: try web browsing to http://ipv6.google.com/ and admire animated google icon
[02:00] <mattwj2002> o.I
[02:00] <aprilhare> well... when it isnt earth day that is.
[02:00] <mattwj2002> oops
[02:00] <mattwj2002> o.O
[02:00] <aprilhare> heh
[02:00] <aprilhare> first time i've seen the animated icon disappear
[02:01] <racecar56> is there a fglrx for ati radeon 2400?
[02:01] <darthanubis> nemo, it was a BIOS setting preventing the install cd from continuing
[02:01] <darthanubis> I don't know which one
[02:01] <darthanubis> I got it installed now
[02:01]  * aprilhare chose nvidia geforce 9500 instead of ati radeon card
[02:01] <aprilhare> gt even
[02:02] <darthanubis> just bought that card today
[02:02] <darthanubis> for $32!!!
[02:02] <racecar56> aprilhare my laptop has a geforce... anyway i dont care
[02:02] <racecar56> aprilhare just IS there?
[02:02] <xerxes> Hi...i have jaunty installed and want to use tor, but aptitude says, it has no installation candidate
[02:02] <xerxes> How do i fix that?
[02:02] <BigMoopies> Will Xubuntu be out in 2 days along with Kubuntu/Ubuntu ?
[02:03] <racecar56> ya
[02:03] <BUGabundo> xerxes: go to their site and read the wiki
[02:03] <racecar56> april 23rd... today's 21st...
[02:03] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, everything is suppose to come out thursday
[02:03] <shaga> tried axel. loving it :)
[02:03] <BigMoopies> Yes
[02:03] <BUGabundo> xerxes: tor as been removed and blacklisted from Ubuntu archives
[02:03] <shaga> thanks for recommendation whoever it was
[02:03] <xerxes> I did that and they managed that with deb, but i dont find deb
[02:03] <BUGabundo> for not being up to date
[02:03] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, Any special time?  Like can I download it in the morning ?
[02:03] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, Or will it be in the afternoon
[02:03] <aprilhare> racecar56: just is there what? :)
[02:03] <racecar56> aprilhare is there a fglrx for ati radeon 2400?
[02:04] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, reason I ask is I have limited bandwith besides 1-6 AM
[02:04] <xerxes> What does that mean, BUGabundo?
[02:04] <BUGabundo> BigMoopies: after 16h UTC
[02:04] <aprilhare> racecar56: sorry wouldn't have clue was making general comment about my choice of gfx cards sorry
[02:04] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, you could download the cdimages now they wont change that much and any changes can be handled with updates
[02:04] <BigMoopies> BUGabundo, 16 UTC = ? CDT?
[02:04] <BUGabundo> BigMoopies: just get the daily and the rsync if there are any changes!
[02:04] <racecar56> aprilhare k, i dont really care that i have ati, and i don't really like ati but i just happen to have one
[02:05] <BUGabundo> BigMoopies: timeanddate.com ?
[02:05] <aprilhare> racecar56: wasn't making comment re you
[02:05] <aprilhare> making comment re me :)
[02:05] <BigMoopies> BUGabundo,  10 am
[02:05] <BigMoopies> BUGabundo, I guess it can wait till Friday
[02:05] <igorgue> where are the compiz blacklisted cards?
[02:05] <BUGabundo> xerxes: means you have to search on their site
[02:05] <thiebaude> Hi BUGabundo
[02:06] <BUGabundo> BigMoopies: why? get it today! then rsync
[02:06] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: really? I better go to bed!
[02:06] <jtholmes> BigMoopies,  you wont like the download speeds on friday
[02:06] <thiebaude> its 2am there?
[02:06] <BUGabundo> yep
[02:06] <xerxes> BUGabundo: They do it with deb, but there is no deb on my jaunty
[02:07] <BUGabundo> xerxes: I never used tor, so I don't know. I'm just passing the info I read on the ML
[02:07] <BUGabundo> there should be a deb for it on tor site
[02:07] <geek_> hmm
[02:08] <BUGabundo> YAY finally read all but one email from devel and devel-discuss. time to celebrate by hitting the #pillow
[02:08] <BUGabundo> bye guys
[02:08] <thiebaude> geek_: my 9.04 is fixed
[02:08] <geek_> wierd. looks like lxde dosen't work with nm-applet for some reason
[02:08] <geek_> thiebaude: yay
[02:08] <thiebaude> i edited my xorg.conf file
[02:08] <xerxes> yeah..but i didnt find the deb-programm for jaunty
[02:09] <BUGabundo> geek_: yes known bug
[02:09] <BUGabundo> now I'm really out
[02:09] <xerxes> im new to the debian/ubuntu thing so im stupid
[02:09] <geek_> BUGabundo: bleh
[02:09] <Paavi2_0> lxde didn't work with wine's "icons" on notification area either - it doesn't show them at all
[02:09] <thiebaude> geek_: i got lxde, im going to check it out
[02:09] <geek_> i just need it to stay online ;p
[02:10] <stooj> Hello all
[02:11] <racecar56> hi
[02:11] <jtholmes> stooj hello
[02:14] <racecar56> does fglrx work for ati radeon 2400? i want to know before i upgrade
[02:15] <BooVeMan_work> can I use sid packages in jaunty?
[02:15] <BooVeMan_work> like the tor package?
[02:15] <DanaG> racecar56: that's an R600 series card, so yes, it should be supported in Jaunty.
[02:15] <nemo> darthanubis: what's your laptop model?
[02:15] <DanaG> Just watch out for this bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[02:16] <racecar56> DanaG, yay :D
[02:16] <nemo> darthanubis: there are a couple of possible suspects
[02:16] <mase_work> BooVeMan_work: wouldn't recommend it. there is no guarantee of binary compatibility
[02:16] <racecar56> DanaG, mk
[02:16] <DanaG> Just remember the "aticonfig --acpi-services=off" command mentioned.
[02:16] <racecar56> ya
[02:16] <darthanubis> nemo, it is a desktop I built nforce 680i
[02:16] <mase_work> BooVeMan_work: you can grab the source from sid and recompile it on your jaunty box
[02:17] <racecar56> DanaG, so i install it with ati's package, not jockey?
[02:17] <DanaG> There
[02:17] <jtholmes> BooVeMan_work, jaunty is not necessarily a image copy of  sid
[02:17] <DanaG> There's a newer 9.4 official out now.
[02:17] <geek_> aprilhare: hmm, just curious, if i got miredo, is my ipv6 ip address the one for eth0 or teredo?
[02:17] <BooVeMan_work> ok
[02:17] <BooVeMan_work> thanks
[02:17] <DanaG> you'd want to run theirs with --buildpkg Ubuntu/jaunty
[02:18] <aprilhare> geek_: the ipv6 ip is provided via teredo and the packets go via the teredo server (i think).
[02:18] <darthanubis> brb
[02:18] <aprilhare> i don''t know much about it i just enjoy it :)
[02:18] <aprilhare> heh
[02:18] <geek_> aprilhare: ya but which is my ip address ;p
[02:18] <racecar56> DanaG, kk
[02:19] <aprilhare> geek_: both, of course
[02:19] <geek_> hmm
[02:19] <geek_> i can't seem to be pinged from either ><
[02:19] <aprilhare> both the ipv4 and ipv6 ips would be valid and the ipv6 ip would correspond to the machine you're using
[02:20] <racecar56> DanaG, what about a radeon 9500?
[02:20] <mattwj2002> hi aprilhare
[02:20] <DanaG> racecar56: that'll need the open-source driver.
[02:20] <mattwj2002> why can't I do a ping6 to google.com
[02:20] <racecar56> DanaG, cool, woot
[02:20] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: hello - do ping6 ipv6.google.com
[02:20] <racecar56> DanaG, i only use the fglrx cause my cards don't work with the open source one
[02:21] <mattwj2002> oh there it goes
[02:21] <mattwj2002> :D
[02:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the OSS drivers have recently gained some power management support and very basic 3D support for R600.
[02:21] <DanaG> Not enough for compiz, though.
[02:21] <aprilhare> --- ipv6.google.com ping statistics --- 9 packets transmitted, 8 received, 11% packet loss, time 8017ms; rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 389.769/538.931/1486.948/359.366 ms, pipe 2
[02:21] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, "rsync" ?
[02:21] <racecar56> DanaG, ok
[02:22] <geek_> ahh http://testmyipv6.com/ helped ;p
[02:23]  * DanaG 's IPv6 address is 2002:4709:3419:1:290:4bff:fec9:6397 (TCP port 37481).
[02:23] <aprilhare> i created a little icon "restart miredo" for any troubles i run into - uses command gksudo /etc/init.d/miredo restart
[02:23] <DanaG> I have my router doing my translation.
[02:23] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, So you want me to download the RC copies
[02:23] <BigMoopies> ?
[02:23] <aprilhare> ooooo more ipv6
[02:23] <racecar56> DanaG, we were told long ago when we ordered this thing (the 9500) that it was a ati vampire, and i THINK it's a 9500, is it?
[02:24] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, are you familiar with rsync command
[02:24] <aprilhare> DanaG: my router and modem are too stupid for such things
[02:24] <DanaG> Vampire?
[02:24] <racecar56> DanaG, yeah
[02:24] <DanaG> my router runs dd-wrt.
[02:24] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, No
[02:24] <racecar56> DanaG, i for some reason remember it being a 9500
[02:24] <DanaG> Not sure what you mean by vampire.
[02:24] <aprilhare> dd-wrt?
[02:24] <racecar56> DanaG, ill trry to find stats
[02:25] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, and you dont have any 9.04 cd's whatever on hand, alphas etc.
[02:25] <DanaG> racecar56: you thinking of this?  http://www.driverheaven.net/news/12955-ati-gargoyle-clock-screensaver.html
[02:25] <DanaG> oh wait, that's 9800.
[02:25] <DanaG> 9700 was the 3-headed dog.
[02:25] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, No. I am using Hardy.  I was wanting to run Jaunty live to see if it screws up like Intrepid
[02:25] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, Before I install
[02:25] <bitmonk1> can i upgrade to jaunty at the command line from intrepid?
[02:26] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, ok what flavor do you want  ubuntu kubuntu
[02:26] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, Xubuntu
[02:26] <bitmonk> all of the instructions i see are to use update-manager -d and that requires me to install gnome, which i'd rather not on this lightweight cloud server..
[02:26] <aprilhare> DanaG: my netgear router would not run such a thing. too stupid.
[02:26] <kklimonda> bitmonk: do-release-upgrade -d
[02:26] <bitmonk> ah ok..
[02:26] <DanaG> What router, including model number?
[02:26] <bitmonk> thanks, i was wondering if i could set dev, should have just tried -d ;d
[02:26] <DanaG> bitmonk: try do-dist-upgrade?
[02:26] <jtholmes> ok let me look up the xubuntu dir and then i will paste the commands for you
[02:27] <bitmonk> there we go, jaunty.tar.gz coming :)
[02:27] <racecar56> DanaG, hold on im gonna get out the vid card and see
[02:27] <aprilhare> DanaG: wgr614v6
[02:27] <DanaG> V6... may be dd-wrt-able.
[02:27] <bitmonk> thanks kklimonda
[02:27] <DanaG> Mine was a V3.
[02:27] <jtholmes> !paste
[02:27] <Volkodav_> I found tomato better the dd-wrt
[02:28] <DanaG> I don't like tomatoes.  =tþ
[02:28] <darthanubis> welkl fresh install held pver /home from debian, deleted all .pulse files, and no sound expect when gdm starts
[02:28] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, rsync looks like SFTP commands
[02:28] <Volkodav_> lighter and more stable too
[02:28] <DanaG> http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=44439&highlight=wgr614v6
[02:29] <aprilhare> dd-wrt says mine is a work in progress
[02:29] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, perhaps but i wouldnt know about sftp commands
[02:29] <Volkodav_> see if tomato supports it
[02:29] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, either way.. Is it possible to get Xubuntu Jaunty .. uh.. RCsomething now ?
[02:29] <BigMoopies> (and run it live)
[02:30] <racecar56> DanaG, just got the card...
[02:30] <racecar56> DanaG, heres the stuff
[02:31] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, yes hold on i am putting together 4 commands to handle it for you
[02:31] <racecar56> DanaG, RV280Se/128M/HP
[02:31] <BigMoopies> :-\
[02:31] <racecar56> DanaG, LPNH2
[02:31] <racecar56> DanaG, RV200 series...
[02:32] <geek_> aprilhare: mine is 52001:0:53aa:64c:1c7e:185b:c442:efa8 port 8352
[02:32] <DanaG> RV200-ish is a 9200 or such, isn't it?
[02:32] <racecar56> DanaG, i knew it was a 9xxx
[02:33] <racecar56> DanaG, but i wasn't sure, shure thought it was a 9500
[02:33] <racecar56> DanaG, hmm
[02:33] <racecar56> DanaG, i took a guess and thought it was a 9500, but i guess i was wrong
[02:34] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, paste.ubuntu.com/155661  note that lines 4 and 5 are long lines
[02:34] <xerxes_> hmm...i tried to get the tor-version of debian sid, but apt-get says:  NO_PUBKEY CFF71CB3AFA44BDD...how to manage that?
[02:35] <xerxes_> aw...i meant the debian version of tor, of course
[02:35] <BigMoopies> I'll just wait.
[02:35] <darthanubis> no sound :((
[02:35] <darthanubis> this has to be the worst scenario
[02:36] <geek_> xerxes_: sounds like it expects the repo to be signed
[02:36] <xerxes_> Can anyone help me?
[02:36] <xerxes_> So yunty only works with signed yaunty repos?
[02:37] <kklimonda> xerxes_: no - you have to add public to to keyring
[02:37] <kklimonda> public key*
[02:37] <xerxes_> how to do that?
[02:38] <wirechief> xerxes_:  use this and substitute the key gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 1C79A27CD5E81909
[02:38] <genii> Hm, "yaunty"
[02:38] <wirechief> then
[02:38] <kklimonda> xerxes_: ``sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com CFF71CB3AFA44BDD''
[02:38] <wirechief> gpg -a --export 1C79A27CD5E81909 | sudo apt-key add -
[02:39] <wirechief> hehe well ok you got it
[02:42] <xerxes_> yeah...that worked fine...thanx wirechief...what did i do?
[02:42] <wirechief> xerxes_: now you gotta do apt-get update
[02:42] <wirechief> xerxes_: to see if it liked it
[02:43] <kklimonda> xerxes_: you have added public key that was used to sign debian repository to your keyring.
[02:43] <xerxes_> yeah i did that..and after that the apt-get install...it worked fine
[02:43] <wirechief> xerxes_: that key you were looking for will add that repo to your  key-ring
[02:43] <xerxes_> ah
[02:43] <wirechief> xerxes_: fine
[02:43] <xerxes_> i have no clue about that key-stuff
[02:44] <xerxes_> i think i must study that when time is left
[02:44] <wirechief> xerxes_: its in the debian manual ;)
[02:44] <xerxes_> jo
[02:45] <xerxes_> does tor start automatically every time i boot up the machine?
[02:45] <wirechief> xerxes_: just save that coding for next time, i use a .doc file on google, that way i can access my junk from any of my three computers ;)
[02:45] <xerxes_> or do i need to configure something
[02:45] <wirechief> xerxes_: i dont even know what tor is ;) just saw you needed to add the key to your ring
[02:46] <xerxes_> cool...tor is an anonymizing router software
[02:46] <xerxes_> it hides your ip
[02:46] <xerxes_> for the bad guys and wannabes like me :D
[02:47] <wirechief> xerxes_: ;)
[02:47] <kindofabuzz> why you wanna be a bad guy?
[02:47] <DanaG> oh, sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:47] <xerxes_> i want to see Paris Hilton poppin on the net and dont want to be killed by her bodygards for that :D
[02:47] <DanaG> that's the command-line update-manager.
[02:48] <kindofabuzz> xerxes_, paris hiton looks like a pretty stick
[02:48] <robin0800> kindofabuzz: Perhaps he's a bad guy already?
[02:48]  * wirechief has to catch a train bye
[02:48] <xerxes_> Well she reminds me of my ex-girlfriend
[02:48] <kindofabuzz> xerxes_, no body?
[02:49] <xerxes_> well its Paris Hilton in 16:9
[02:50] <kindofabuzz> anyone got a good mail sever setup guide?
[02:54] <racecar56> i gotta go... if anyone wants me then ill be on #ubuntu
[02:54] <kindofabuzz> you can't have 2 or more channels open? =)
[02:54] <racecar56> just trying to make looking at multiple channels less frantic
[02:54] <kindofabuzz> hehe
[02:54] <racecar56> as im only on one :P
[02:54] <racecar56> cya
[02:54] <sebsebseb> oh well this channel
[02:54] <sebsebseb> is going bye bye soon
[02:54] <sebsebseb> again
[02:54] <racecar56> really?
[02:54] <racecar56> O_o
[02:54] <sebsebseb> yes
[02:55] <sebsebseb> once 9.04 is out
[02:55] <racecar56> k
[02:55] <sebsebseb>   #ubuntu is suppourt for 9.04 as well
[02:55] <kindofabuzz> well then it will be for 9.10
[02:55] <racecar56> nah.. i wont leave
[02:55] <racecar56> ill stay
[02:55] <sebsebseb> yes  and then 9.10 development here, when that starts
[02:55] <racecar56> lolz
[02:55] <racecar56> thats a while away
[02:55] <kindofabuzz> i'm sure it's already started
[02:55] <racecar56> it is
[02:55] <racecar56> i think
[02:56] <kindofabuzz> kinky koala?
[02:56] <racecar56> i know they have the code name for it.. i think they have 10.04's also
[02:56] <racecar56> something along those lines
[02:56] <sebsebseb> well at least one guy has left Ubuntu, because of 9.04
[02:56] <racecar56> y
[02:56] <kindofabuzz> 10.04 lesbian lioness
[02:56] <sebsebseb> ,because of it's changes to Gnome
[02:56] <sebsebseb> no  shutdown and logout in the system menu etc etc
[02:56] <sebsebseb> no new gdm  etc
[02:56] <racecar56> k
[02:56] <shavlir> so if I have a random system hang after login in 9.04, is this the correct place to ask?
[02:57] <sebsebseb> shavlir: at the moment, but not on April 23rd
[02:57] <shavlir> :-)
[02:57] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, huh? no shutdown in system menu? i have it
[02:57] <geek_> ;p
[02:57] <magcius> Isn't that #ubuntu+2 ?
[02:57] <shavlir> If I had to guess, I'd say it is a graphics problem, but I can't say for sure.  some strange things I see are that xorg.conf is blank, and the xorg process is only taking up 24m in dram.
[02:57] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: no shutdown and logout in the system menu yeah
[02:57] <geek_> xorg.conf being blank is normal
[02:57] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: unless fusa is removed or whatever
[02:57] <geek_> strangely enough
[02:57] <racecar56> ubuntu+2 redirects to here
[02:57] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, oh that was his problem, that's weird
[02:57] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: not just that
[02:58] <shavlir> it hangs as soon as I try to do anything cpu intensive like open firefox or browse the programs menu
[02:58] <geek_> hmm
[02:58] <geek_> thats odd
[02:58] <geek_> my taskbar went blank
[02:58] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: notify-osd, launchpad-integration, fusa, gdm, gpm
[02:58] <geek_> shavlir: what kinda graphics card?
[02:59] <shavlir> ati radeon
[02:59] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: the changes they have made to fusa, and the non-use of the new gnome-{display,power}-manager
[02:59] <kindofabuzz> meh
[02:59] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: just copied in what he told me a little while ago
[03:00] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: and he has a point about getting KDE 4.2 in there, but not new Gnome stuff
[03:00] <racecar56> will #ubuntu+1 be about 9.10 when 9.04 comes?
[03:00] <sebsebseb> racecar56: once development starts yeah
[03:00] <sebsebseb> racecar56: and there's something relivant to say about 9.10
[03:01] <kindofabuzz> I'm switching to OpenGEU once they get the 9.04 version of it out.. The 8.10 version is nice but they are still in "beta" with 8.10
[03:01]  * genii knocks at the door of #ubuntu-release-party
[03:01] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: what's  OpenGEU?
[03:01] <racecar56> hi genii
[03:01] <sebsebseb> genii: yeah the hype each release, but  9.04 isn't that great really
[03:01] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, e17 based ubuntu
[03:01]  * genii hands racecar56 a coffee
[03:01] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: oh  enlightment/
[03:01] <sebsebseb> ?
[03:01] <kindofabuzz> yeah
[03:01] <kindofabuzz> it's nice, try it out sometime
[03:01] <genii> sebsebseb: I wait usually for the LTS releases
[03:02] <sebsebseb> genii: ,but not this time?
[03:02] <genii> sebsebseb: I have 9.04 on a dev partition for testing, otherwise not much excited about it
[03:02] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: yeah I have installed enlightment into Ubuntu before, but then it's like, how do I use it?
[03:02] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: Elive I heard is all nicely set up though, for people to try
[03:03] <shavlir> the livecd also hangs for me (also after login), so I had to install with "safe mode"
[03:03] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, OpenGEU is very easy to use. Elive charges $ though
[03:03] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: uh?  I think Elive is free to download?
[03:03] <racecar56> evil is hiding in elive o.o
[03:03] <racecar56> heehee
[03:03] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ok OpenGEU  that's a wm?
[03:04] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, not what i read the other day, well it's free to run the livecd, but if installed, they want money. i
[03:04] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: distros that  want money, suck
[03:04] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I mean want people to buy it
[03:04] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, e17 is the wm, then it has it's own version of Compiz, it's really fast
[03:04] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: which has it's own compiz?
[03:04] <kindofabuzz> i forget what their 'compiz" is called
[03:05] <kindofabuzz> yeah
[03:05] <racecar56> enlightenment?
[03:05] <kindofabuzz> yeah
[03:05] <faileas> kindofabuzz: which distro?
[03:05] <kindofabuzz> OpenGEU
[03:05] <kindofabuzz> http://opengeu.intilinux.com/Home.html
[03:05] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ok thanks i'll check that one out to
[03:06] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I guess better to run that from a Live CD,  than  in a virtual machine?
[03:06] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, yeah the livecd works great, even the compositing
[03:06] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I am going distro trying crazy, once I got 9.04 final on with Ext4.  at the moment  a  upgraded  8.10, to alpha6, to beta, to rc,  install,  which  well has some problems
[03:07] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: yeah I always thought Elive probably better to run from a Live CD, than in a vm?  and I guess same thing for  this opengeu
[03:07] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I mean if it's using compiz or something like compiz?
[03:07] <kindofabuzz> it's not compiz though, lemme find out what it's called
[03:08] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I guess try  those out in virtualbox first, and  can always make a live cd  as well if I want to
[03:08] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ok thanks well,   going away from computer
[03:08] <kindofabuzz> later
[03:08] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ,but can read what it's called etc, when I get back
[03:09] <faileas> kindofabuzz: they do have just a repo i think i didn't recall em expecting to pay for an install
[03:10] <kindofabuzz> faileas, taken from elive's site: For the next stable release, it is planned to allow the download totally free. Instead of pay for the download you should pay just for the installation. This means that the live mode is entirely free and you should pay only if you want to install Elive in your hard disk.
[03:11] <faileas> ahh
[03:11] <faileas> e live... i thought you meant opengeu
[03:11] <kindofabuzz> no
[03:11] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, it's called Echomorph
[03:12] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ok thanks bye
[03:12]  * kindofabuzz packs a bowl
[03:14] <shavlir> :-( no one wants to help me with my system hang?
[03:14] <jtholmes> shavlir, what is going on
[03:15] <racecar56> should i upgrade to 9.04rc?
[03:15] <shavlir> my keyboard stops working and mouse becomes choppy after login when I try to do anything cpu intensive like open firefox or browse the programs menu
[03:15] <racecar56> or should i wait until its released?
[03:16] <jtholmes> shavlir, ubuntu or kubuntu or ??
[03:16] <shavlir> I am competely updated to the latest, did a safe-upgrade this morning
[03:16] <shavlir> regular
[03:16] <shavlir> 9.04
[03:16] <jtholmes> shavlir, ubuntu
[03:16] <shavlir> yes
[03:17] <shavlir> alternate install with dmraid...but it does the same thing on the livecd too
[03:17] <DasEi> shavlir: checked your logs for errors / what a machine ?
[03:18] <jtholmes> shavlir, DasEi has the start of the solution
[03:18] <shavlir> xorg.0.log has an error, somethign do do with entry poitn failed
[03:18] <shavlir> reverting to softwar render
[03:19] <DasEi> shavlir: which graphics ?
[03:19] <shavlir> radeon hd2400
[03:19] <racecar56> i have that too
[03:20] <DasEi> shavlir: did you check hardware-drivers ?
[03:20] <shavlir> what do you mean by check? I'm just using the whatever the default is
[03:20] <shavlir> xorg.conf is blank, so that's kind of cinfusing
[03:21] <DasEi> shavlir: under system you'll find a option for prop. drivers > enable if possible
[03:21] <DasEi> hardware-drivers
[03:21] <robin0800> shavlir: system/hardware drivers
[03:21] <jtholmes> shavlir, xorg.conf is dynamic now
[03:21] <shavlir> can't get there, hangs if I browse the programs menu
[03:22] <robin0800> shavlir: log out and choose failsafe
[03:22] <DasEi> shavlir: can you boot safe boot / terminal (ctrl-alt-f1), then : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:23] <shavlir> failsafe still hangs, I'll try the reconfigure now
[03:24] <Tecna> does anyone know why my dvds won't play?
[03:24] <faileas> Tecna: got libdvdcss installed?
[03:24] <Tecna> let me check
[03:25] <robin0800> Tecna: Get it from vlc's site
[03:25] <DasEi> Tecna: or try vlc itself
[03:26] <faileas> Tecna: i recommend adding the medibuntu repos, they have a copy of that and other useful things there
[03:26] <pace_t_zulu> has anyone noticed that when you change screen resolutions, panel objects and applets can get disorganized and out of order?
[03:27] <racecar56> yes
[03:27] <racecar56> although im on 8.10
[03:27] <robin0800> DasEi: VlC dosen't include that lib though it is available on there site
[03:27] <racecar56> i remember replacing my monitor from a 1280x1024 to a 1680x1050 and BOY things went wacko
[03:27] <DasEi> robin0800, which dvd- lib ?
[03:27] <shavlir> DasEi: robin0800: jtholmes: reconfigure using frame buffer didn't work, same hang
[03:28] <Tecna> faileas: what are medibuntu repos
[03:28] <DasEi> shavlir, I won't use framebuffer;; xorg.0.log ? also check syslogh/kernellog
[03:28] <faileas> Tecna: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu I'm suprised you haven't heard of them
[03:29] <robin0800> DasEi: libdvdcss2 its a dvd decryption libary
[03:30] <DasEi> robin0800, aah, see/know ; until now vlc's own codecs could handle every dvd I found , Tecna
[03:31] <DasEi> Tecna: medibuntu is good to check, else sudo apt-get install vlc (standalone Player)
[03:32] <Naynay> Proprietary AMD/ATI driver still doesn't work
[03:32] <robin0800> DasEi: Coundl't play Dark Knight without it
[03:32] <Naynay> just tried it only an hour ago on a fresh installed system
[03:33] <darthanubis> got my sound back
[03:33] <darthanubis> I think it was some sound gconf file in ~
[03:33] <DasEi> Naynay, ubuntus prop or the one from vendor ?
[03:34] <DanaG> Naynay: define "doesn't work" -- and what hardware?
[03:34] <darthanubis> Ubuntu J.J. is Dynomite!
[03:34] <Naynay> ok
[03:34] <tretle> hi, Im trying to compile a program on jaunty and I am getting an error regarding qt headers and libraris
[03:35] <tretle> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:35] <Naynay> Doesn't work as in AMD64 RC CD install. Immediate patching up the latest version, and then installation of the restricted driver for AMD/ATI cards
[03:35] <kindofabuzz> install QT then
[03:35] <tretle> I think its installed
[03:35] <Naynay> My hrdware is two Radeon HD 3870 s in crossfire
[03:35] <kindofabuzz> evidently not
[03:35] <tretle> is qt4 not backwards compatible with 3
[03:35] <kindofabuzz> you have to install the QT dev packages
[03:35] <Naynay> all done from the gnome desktop. No fancy CLI work done here
[03:35] <racecar56> im on 3 irc channels and its getting frantic...
[03:36] <Stupendoussteve> Only 3? ;P
[03:36] <Naynay> Upon reboot, x doesn't start
[03:37] <Naynay> this bug has been around a while. I figured it might have been dealt with by now, so close to release
[03:37] <racecar56> yeah
[03:37] <racecar56> #ubuntu is flooding
[03:37] <Naynay> mind you, that it's amd64, not i386. Maybe i386 driver works. I don't know.
[03:38] <Stupendoussteve> No it's just busy
[03:39] <racecar56> thats what i meant
[03:39] <crdlb> tretle: what is it?
[03:39] <tretle> lol, a procedural planet generator from 2003 :D
[03:39] <crdlb> tretle: Qt4 were compatible with Qt3, it wouldn't be called Qt4 :>
[03:40] <crdlb> if Qt4 were*
[03:40] <tretle> http://www.vterrain.org/Packages/IUE/
[03:40] <racecar56> it should have been qt 3.10...
[03:41] <shavlir> man this is frustrating
[03:41] <tretle> thats what I am trying to compile
[03:41] <crdlb> tretle: I would start with libqt3-dev to start
[03:41] <crdlb> err remove one of those 'start's
[03:42] <crdlb> racecar56: what?
[03:42] <crdlb> you mean 'would have'?
[03:42] <crdlb> hmm, that package doesn't exist :/
[03:42] <racecar56> yeah
[03:43] <racecar56> why, does qt 3.10 exist?
[03:43] <racecar56> i didn't think so
[03:43] <crdlb> you've lost me
[03:43] <kindofabuzz> lol i made the front page pic of our local newpaper. that's me standing up with back to camera: http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=TN_CA&ref_pge=lst
[03:43] <tretle> I have libqt3-mt-dev installed already but its still bringing up the error
[03:44] <crdlb> tretle: the exact same error? :/
[03:44] <racecar56> O_o
[03:44] <shavlir> blue shirt or yellow shirt?
[03:44] <crdlb> tretle: you could try libqt3-compat-headers
[03:44] <tretle> crdbld - yes, I installed that when I tried last night
[03:44] <crdlb> from libqt3-mt-dev's desc
[03:44] <racecar56> good idea
[03:44] <racecar56> it works for me
[03:45] <tretle> Im not a kde user so I am unsure as to what package could be causing the issue which is why I came for help on irc
[03:46] <kindofabuzz> shavlir, that's me in the backgroung with my left hand playing with my ponytail lol it's was 4:20 on the dot and i was walking instead of partaking =)
[03:47] <tretle> bothe the compat headers and dev version of qt3-mt do not help
[03:47] <racecar56> O_o works for me
[03:48] <mbeierl> anyone here know if there's anything new in jaunty that can help me with umts/hsdpa/hsupa cell modems?
[03:48] <shavlir> kindofabuzz: if you arent looking closely, the red logo on the back of your shirt makes it look like you have an uber pony tail
[03:48] <tretle> racecar56 - are you talking about the problem I am having?
[03:49] <mbeierl> My only external indicator on the modem indicates I'm getting hsupa connectivity, but only umts speeds...
[03:49] <kindofabuzz> shavlir, lol sure does
[03:49] <racecar56> tretle yes
[03:49] <tretle> are you using kde?
[03:49] <racecar56> no
[03:49] <racecar56> gnomoe
[03:49] <racecar56> *gnome
[03:50] <tretle> but you have successfully gotten to the make stage with that code?
[03:50] <racecar56> not that exact code, i havent tried
[03:50] <racecar56> but others seem to work fine with it
[03:50] <crdlb> tretle: pastebin the config.log
[03:51] <racecar56> good idea
[03:52] <racecar56> should i upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 or should i wait until it comes to stable?
[03:53] <tretle> http://pastebin.com/m58c132bb
[03:53] <tretle> racecar56 - it is stable
[03:53] <racecar56> tretle stable as in release
[03:54] <tretle> only problem I have run into in weeks is trying to compile code which is untouched since 2003 :D lol
[03:54] <racecar56> lold
[03:56] <jtholmes> racecar56, if you have any of the video types having problems then i would wait
[03:56] <racecar56> jtholmes, if you mean with video cards, then if there isn't a fglrx then ill wait
[03:56] <crdlb> ugh, this buildsystem looks a little bad
[03:57] <jtholmes> racecar56, i wouldnt know about fglrx i was referring to the talk on this channel the last two hours :)
[03:57] <crdlb> there is a fglrx, but only for r600+
[03:57] <crdlb> (and that's not going to change)
[03:58] <tretle> crdlib - its from 2003 :D lolz, Though I want to see how it runs and use it as
[03:58] <tretle> a base for experimentation
[03:58] <tretle> remove stupid dependencies and rewrite it
[03:59] <tretle> a game depending on qt is pretty weird
[03:59] <crdlb> heh, it is old, they consider 20 MB to be big :)
[03:59] <racecar56> lol
[03:59] <tretle> I know, I actually laughed out loud when I read that :D
[03:59] <racecar56> that IS quite a few 3.5" floppys
[03:59] <racecar56> even high density
[04:00] <racecar56> i once saw a download for 10mb to be big..
[04:00] <racecar56> dont remember year though
[04:00] <crdlb> and 34 seconds later, I have it
[04:00] <racecar56> lol
[04:00] <racecar56> i waited forever for something that is 30 mb ._. firefox is so slow
[04:01] <tretle> Its the only engine for procedurally generating planets available licenced under the gpl though, the only other open source equivalent was one which was under the mit licence and i don't like that licence
[04:01] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, what does FF have to do with your d/l speed?
[04:01] <crdlb> tretle: ...
[04:01] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, in the 8 KB/s
[04:02] <yoasif>  whats wrong with the mit license?
[04:02] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, O_O
[04:02] <crdlb> you realize the MIT/X11 license is just extremely permissive, so you can just use the GPL for your modifications?
[04:02] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, that's either the server or your connection, not the browser
[04:02] <tretle> well, to put it another way every other open implementation is only partially open, developers want you to write code but they also want to sell your code
[04:02] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, tried wget and it was in the mb/s
[04:02] <tretle> once the project matures
[04:03]  * kindofabuzz shrugs
[04:03] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, if anything is worse than wget its horrible
[04:03] <faileas> lol
[04:03] <faileas> wget is actually pretty fast
[04:03] <crdlb> tretle: so don't contribute under that license
[04:03] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, ff isn't your only choice you know
[04:03] <faileas> granted there's faster things
[04:03] <mbeierl1> no 3g modem users here?
[04:03] <racecar56> no
[04:03] <racecar56> im using cable
[04:04] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, im not dumb enough to not know that... if i was i would have been using IE on windows all my life
[04:05] <faileas> racecar56: i tend to copy the download link and use axel or wget for most part ;p
[04:05] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, what's IE and windows?
[04:05] <kindofabuzz> =)
[04:05] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, ._.
[04:05] <faileas> lol
[04:05] <racecar56> faileas, i do too, but all the losers these days use javascript to download
[04:05] <faileas> i don't use IE even on windows ;p
[04:06] <racecar56> i _HATE_ ie
[04:06] <kindofabuzz> I haven't even been on a windows box in like 2 years
[04:06] <racecar56> and i don't like windows one bit
[04:06] <kindofabuzz> i'd probably feel retarded on one.
[04:06] <racecar56> sadly i still have to use it because all these buttheads wont make linux stuff
[04:06] <crdlb> wow, people in #ubuntu+1 dislike IE and Windows?
[04:06]  * crdlb is shocked
[04:07] <kindofabuzz> crdlb, i don't dislike them, just like other things =)
[04:07] <racecar56> i HATE IE but i dont hate windows, but i dont like it either
[04:07] <racecar56> but i don't trust micro$oft at all, i only use window$ because i have to in some cases
[04:07] <racecar56> i dualboot
[04:07] <genii> The "windows apathy" syndrome
[04:08] <yoasif> crdlb: haha
[04:08] <racecar56> genii btw the server project is stuck as molasses
[04:09] <kindofabuzz> i have absolutly no need to run windows
[04:09] <racecar56> i wish i could get my server to run ubuntu
[04:09] <racecar56> i have to use it because MANY things i need use it
[04:09]  * tretle used to dual boot years ago but just got rid of it one day and every now and then when I am forced to help friends on their machines I am amazed with how horrible it is to use, networking, erratic file transfer estimations, anti virus software wasting resources, etc
[04:09] <racecar56> and the buttheads won't make linux versions, and it lags wine
[04:09] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, like what?
[04:10] <DanaG> racecar56: what's worse is mod_rewrite... so if you try to wget a file... you get an html file.
[04:10] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, screen capture, as i make movies, and all the linux ones that i know suck
[04:10] <faileas> lol
[04:10] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, ahh ok. lemme see some of your work
[04:10] <shavlir> does anyone know what video drivers the "safe" live cd uses? those seem to work for me, while the normal stall hangs
[04:10] <faileas> tretle: i actually don't mind windows. Its os x that annoys me
[04:10] <tretle> one thing I actually like from microsoft is the new office though
[04:10] <shavlir> "safe graphics mode" that is'
[04:10] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, youtube
[04:10] <crdlb> shavlir: vesa, I guess
[04:10] <faileas> racecar56: you could run ubuntu, and run a windows VM in it
[04:11] <yoasif> racecar56: why not try debian/bsd
[04:11] <racecar56> faileas, i do that
[04:11] <racecar56> faileas, its just some things dont work in vm
[04:11] <shavlir> crdlb: how do I force those after install?
[04:11] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, umm youtube is huge. am i supposed to guess which ones are yours?
[04:11] <racecar56> yoasif, i do use debian and bsd
[04:11] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, racecar564
[04:11] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, not _ALL_ of them are recorded though, but most are
[04:11] <crdlb> shavlir: you can put Driver "vesa" in Section "Device" of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:12] <shavlir> except xorg.conf is blank
[04:12] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, virtualbox ms-dos is one, i made it a while ago, and i dont use vista anymore
[04:12] <crdlb> shavlir: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[04:12] <racecar56> what does the -phigh do?
[04:12] <tretle> crdlib did u look at the config log?
[04:13] <faileas> racecar56: unless its a game? i doubt, and why would anyone be gaming on a server ;)
[04:13] <racecar56> faileas, some are games, and i can run them somewhat in vm, just i cant host server
[04:13] <crdlb> racecar56: only asks high-priority questions, which seems to be none these days
[04:14] <racecar56> crdlb, ?
[04:14]  * tretle suspects once onlive hits so will microsofts desktop marketshare
[04:14] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, found my stuff yet?
[04:14] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, yeah
[04:14] <racecar56> notice: windows live backwards is evil
[04:14] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, kk
[04:14] <crdlb> tretle: my suggestion would be to use the MIT-licenced one ;>
[04:14] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, whaddya say
[04:15] <jtholmes> shavlir, i think you can also boot with  vga=vesa  as a kernel parameter
[04:15] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, haven't seen anything really that'd i'd be interested in watching. no offense lol
[04:15] <DanaG> evil swodniw?
[04:15] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, k, thats fine
[04:15] <racecar56> DanaG, lold
[04:15] <racecar56> DanaG, swodniw = lolwut
[04:15] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, about to watch your cars gone wild
[04:16] <faileas> tretle: the technology might take a few years. you need a 5 mbps internet line for that ;)
[04:16] <jtholmes> shavlir, dont mess with xorg.conf unless you know what you are doing it is now mostly dynamic
[04:16] <kindofabuzz> well your My first Cars game movie
[04:16] <racecar56> kk
[04:16] <DanaG> speaking of "windows live" backwards.... you get "evil swodniw"
[04:16] <racecar56> that one is over a year old
[04:16] <DanaG> =þ
[04:18] <shavlir> jtholmes: so if I specify Driver "vesa" it wont work?
[04:18] <crdlb> it will work
[04:18] <tretle> wonder whether onlive will be on ubuntu too
[04:19] <jtholmes> shavlir, specify vesa where?
[04:19] <shavlir> in xorg.conf
[04:19] <shavlir> i suppose I could try the kernel param
[04:19] <crdlb> that's not related to X
[04:19] <jtholmes> shavlir, it will work but you have to know the syntax of xorg.conf
[04:19] <DanaG> heh, remember my decapitated laptop?   Oddly enough, vesa does not work on it!
[04:19] <racecar56> from #ubuntu: "racecar56: STILL going CrAzY without the dumb FGLRX, i wish it would work!"
[04:19] <DanaG> Does not work... as in... won't start at all.
[04:19] <racecar56> it wont install right O.o
[04:20] <racecar56> it says installing for a millisecond and stops
[04:20] <crdlb> racecar56: consider it a feature
[04:20] <jtholmes> shavlir, do you know how to edit grub menu when booting
[04:20] <crdlb> shavlir: did you run the dpkg-reconfigure command?
[04:20] <shavlir> I did run the reconfigure, but it didnt help
[04:20] <shavlir> same hang
[04:20] <shavlir> I do know how to edit grub menu
[04:21] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, whaddya say
[04:21] <shavlir> I'll keep trying random stuff
[04:21] <andresmh> so I am trying to revert to Xorg 2.4 following this instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4 but I get E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.4. Any ideas?
[04:21] <crdlb> shavlir: I didn't suggest it would fix the hang
[04:21] <crdlb> shavlir: but it _did_ give you a non-blank xorg.conf
[04:21] <jtholmes> shavlir,  then add  vga=vesa to the kernel line and see if things work
[04:21] <crdlb> that won't affect X
[04:22] <crdlb> X does its own modesetting for now (pre-KMS)
[04:22] <racecar56> !ati
[04:23] <robin0800> mbeierl1: Yes I'm using a usb stick 3g modem
[04:23] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, just another capture of a gme. why are you playing kids games? =)
[04:23] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i have NO EARTHLY clue
[04:23] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i make these clips from boredom
[04:24] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, i used to be a big gamer, until i discovered Linux, plenty of things to do in linux (the geek factor)
[04:24] <kindofabuzz> t...o keep busy
[04:24] <kindofabuzz> ...to*
[04:24] <shavlir> crdlb: jotholmes: yay! no more hangs if I specify Driver vesa in xorg.conf
[04:24] <shavlir> I'll put off fglrx to another day :-)
[04:24] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i want to make more vids that need screen capture, but all the linux video recorders _S_U_C_K_
[04:25] <andresmh> so I am trying to revert to Xorg 2.4 following this instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4 but I get E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.4. Any ideas?
[04:25] <Lasivian> anyone else having a problem with khubd using 100% cpu?
[04:25] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, so all i can make is all this
[04:25] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, wine them =)
[04:25] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, you SURE it's gonna work?
[04:25] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, recordmydesktop doesn't cut it?
[04:25] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i'd imagine it's impossible
[04:25] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, oh boy does it suck
[04:25] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, no, but won't hurt to try
[04:26] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, it lags, it uses a uncommon format
[04:26] <jtholmes> shavlir, excellent so the driver being loaded has problems with your hardware or it has a bug
[04:26] <kindofabuzz> uncommon format? huh?
[04:26] <jtholmes> shavlir, do you know about ubuntu-bug  for reporting bugs
[04:26] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, it helps to turn compiz off with RMDT
[04:27] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i dont have compiz running, i have 0 desktop effects
[04:27] <Lasivian> hrrm, ksoftirqd is taking the other cpu as well
[04:27] <Lasivian> not good
[04:27] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, it makes things flicker
[04:27] <faileas> hmm
[04:27] <faileas> anyone remember what that yakuake style programme that was gtk based was called?
[04:27] <crdlb> tilda
[04:28] <shavlir> jtholmes: I do not know about ubuntu-bug. shoudl I report this?
[04:28] <faileas> thanks
[04:28] <Lasivian> anyone know how I can restart khubd?
[04:28]  * faileas is still working on wolfbane
[04:28] <faileas> er..
[04:28] <jtholmes> shavlir, yes
[04:28] <faileas> my jaunty/xfce bows ;p
[04:28] <faileas> box
[04:29] <jtholmes> shavlir, but you have to know what driver is loading for your video when not using vesa do you know how to do that
[04:29] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, oh and a reminder for you: i dont use the things that i record all the time...
[04:29] <jtholmes> shavlir, using  lspci -vvv  etc.
[04:29] <shavlir> right
[04:30] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, the stuff i make in movies aren't used hardly
[04:30] <shavlir> I'll do it tomorrow
[04:30] <jtholmes> shavlir, ok then lsmod  etc and put all that info in one file and then run ubuntu-bug and it will walk u thru it  then attach the  file containing all the info you gathered to the but
[04:30] <jtholmes> but=bug
[04:30] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, that and i use windows cause nobody made a linux version of windows movie maker
[04:30] <shavlir> kindofabuzz: I'm curious, since you have the same gfx card as me, what happens when you try the livecd
[04:31] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, there are all kinds of linux things much better than windows movie maker i believe
[04:31] <kindofabuzz> shavlir, how do you know what card i have?
[04:31] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, like...?
[04:31] <shavlir> because you told me you had an hd2400
[04:31] <racecar56> and i do too
[04:31] <racecar56> same exact card
[04:32] <shavlir> short term memory ftw :-)
[04:32] <Lasivian> I guess rebooting is the only way eh?
[04:32] <kindofabuzz> shavlir, i never said that
[04:33] <racecar56> i will try to restart...
[04:33] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, avidemux
[04:33] <kindofabuzz> !avidemux
[04:33] <shavlir> crap, it was racecar56
[04:34] <shavlir> not kindofabuzz
[04:34] <jtholmes> ah so racecar56 is the problem  :)
[04:34] <jtholmes> shavlir, anyhow you know what is going on so please try and report it
[04:35] <kindofabuzz> what happened?
[04:35] <shavlir> jtholmes: will do
[04:35] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, that's not windows movie maker-like thats an EDITOR....
[04:36] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, it can't even save (for me)!
[04:36] <racecar56> O_o
[04:36] <kindofabuzz> it can't save? what?
[04:37] <kindofabuzz> whatso WMM isn't an editor? then what is it then?
[04:37] <racecar56> OH NOES i installed the FGLRX and it STILL lags like a mitsumi reading an ubuntu live cd!
[04:37] <Lasivian> wonder if this is related to me trying a brand new kernel
[04:37] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, windows movie MAKER
[04:37] <kindofabuzz> so what does that mean?
[04:37] <Stupendoussteve> racecar56: Have you ever opened WMM?
[04:38] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, i have used it bazillions of times, yes
[04:38] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, dosen't it MAKE movies?
[04:38] <Stupendoussteve> No
[04:38] <kindofabuzz> so it's makes the movies? i don't get it? another program for lazy windows users?
[04:38] <Stupendoussteve> A camera does
[04:38] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, you can edit movies but only movies you made with IT
[04:38] <racecar56> -_-
[04:38] <Stupendoussteve> That makes no sense
[04:39] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, there's avidemus, cinelerra, kino, and a few more
[04:39] <Stupendoussteve> It encodes the files
[04:39] <racecar56> you put together pics & movies...
[04:39] <racecar56> and smushes them into 1
[04:39] <Stupendoussteve> any editor does that
[04:39] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, thats what they all say
[04:39] <kindofabuzz> ummm that's what you do with an editor
[04:39] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, and they ALL suck.
[04:39] <kindofabuzz> you haven't even tried them
[04:39] <racecar56> yes i have
[04:39] <Stupendoussteve> Obviously an editor edits movies, it doesn't make them :D
[04:40] <Stupendoussteve> iMovie is somehow magical in that it does both
[04:40] <racecar56> avidemux edits movies, you change how 1 file is...
[04:40] <racecar56> is NOT what im looking for
[04:40] <kindofabuzz> i don't see a product called windows movie maker being better than something like avidemux
[04:40] <racecar56> avidemux edits movies
[04:40] <racecar56> you edit 1 file
[04:41] <kindofabuzz> you edit movies clips to make a movie
[04:41] <racecar56> cinelerra is a fork bomb
[04:41] <racecar56> for me
[04:41] <racecar56> don't even know how to use it
[04:41] <kindofabuzz> well learn?
[04:41] <racecar56> -.- it lags
[04:41] <kindofabuzz> i bet you can do much more with it than WMM
[04:42] <racecar56> im pretty sure i could, but im not advanced
[04:42] <Stupendoussteve> racecar56: Seen kdenlive?
[04:42] <Stupendoussteve> It's a nonlinear editor, kind of like WMM is
[04:42] <kindofabuzz> ahh hence the windows movie maker rocks!
[04:42] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, i have heard of it, but never launched it
[04:42] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, i happen to have it installed
[04:42] <kindofabuzz> Kino too
[04:42] <racecar56> ......maybe i should peek at kino again
[04:42] <faileas> lol
[04:43] <Stupendoussteve> Nonlinear editor doesn't make movies. Duh. :P
[04:43] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, you're on linux, don't be afraid to learn something. =)
[04:43] <Stupendoussteve> To be fair, avidemux is a video file editor
[04:43] <racecar56> kdenlive is just like cinerella, makes me crash like i just did
[04:43] <racecar56> DOH
[04:43] <racecar56> misspell
[04:44] <Stupendoussteve> Interesting
[04:44] <racecar56> i crashed
[04:44] <racecar56> *cinelerra
[04:44] <racecar56> my stupid "So and so has crashed" that comes every time i start comp just bugged me
[04:44] <Stupendoussteve> It might be worth figuring out why all these programs crash, or sending a bug report
[04:44] <racecar56> uhm..
[04:44] <racecar56> ok
[04:45] <racecar56> take 2... ill try kdenlive again
[04:45] <racecar56> not this time
[04:47] <racecar56> brb
[04:58] <racecar56> back
[04:58] <racecar56> step 2: find a decent recording software
[04:58] <TheFunkbomb> So, how do you guys like Jaunty so far?
[04:58] <racecar56> i like it
[04:59] <racecar56> i use it in a vm
[04:59] <TheFunkbomb> I see
[04:59] <TheFunkbomb> How does it compare to 8.10?
[04:59] <danbhfive> big better badder newer
[04:59] <racecar56> new themes... better gnome
[04:59] <TheFunkbomb> how stable?
[04:59] <racecar56> i like 2.26 better
[04:59] <racecar56> i find it pretty reliable
[04:59] <kindofabuzz> stable
[05:00] <racecar56> i say it's pretty good for a release
[05:00] <TheFunkbomb> very interesting.
[05:00] <zhurai> of course, cause it's 2 more (or 1 more depending on where you are) day till it is released
[05:00] <racecar56> i say it was worth releasing on rc
[05:00] <TheFunkbomb> Right
[05:00] <racecar56> xD
[05:00] <racecar56> rc was cool enought
[05:00] <racecar56> *enough
[05:00] <TheFunkbomb> How did you guys update?  Clean install or update?
[05:00] <zhurai> I dled the RC and installed it on my laptop
[05:00] <zhurai> clean
[05:00] <racecar56> clean install obviousle
[05:00] <racecar56> *obviously
[05:00] <racecar56> because i installed to vm
[05:01] <TheFunkbomb> right, right
[05:01] <zhurai> mostly, for me cause I moved all the shit to another area (windows partition).
[05:01] <TheFunkbomb> perhaps, I will ghost 8.10 to my external
[05:01] <racecar56> how the heck....
[05:01] <zhurai> as well as for me (laptop uses ath5k) might as well just do a clean install just in case if it doesn't like the ath5k build I already had installed
[05:02] <TheFunkbomb> and then try a fresh install of 9.04
[05:02] <racecar56> what screen capture software is the best? i'd mostly like xvidcap that worked
[05:02] <TheFunkbomb> I don't like istanbul
[05:02] <zhurai> me neither
[05:02] <racecar56> its CRASHY
[05:02] <zhurai> it didn't tape my video correctly
[05:03] <racecar56> is there such thing as a xvidcap that works?
[05:03] <zhurai> no idea
[05:03] <zhurai> never tested it
[05:03] <racecar56> xvidcap is horrible
[05:03] <zhurai> I just then went into windows partition and then taped using fraps afterwards O_o'
[05:03] <dotblank3> racecar56: gtk record my desktop
[05:03] <racecar56> i click record and it freezes, can't stop it.. and it isn't even recording
[05:03] <zhurai> then again, I'd wish there was an alternative to all the windows shit, so I can nuke the windows already o/
[05:03] <racecar56> dotblank3, sucks
[05:04] <TheFunkbomb> I swear to God, if those people don't stop turning off the desktop computer at night, I'm going to break their faces.  Now I have to walk all the way downstairs to boot it.
[05:04] <racecar56> zhurai, im with you
[05:04] <TheFunkbomb> oops wrong chan.  sorry
[05:04] <zhurai> hmm...
[05:04] <racecar56> lold
[05:04] <dotblank3> racecar56: nah its ok, it just doesn't seem to handle certan apps well though
[05:04] <racecar56> dotblank3, i dont like it, it lags baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
[05:04] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: You should look up WoL
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> WoL?
[05:05] <dotblank3> racecar56: better computer?
[05:05] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, sounds like you need better ram and a better vid card
[05:05] <racecar56> world of laughter?
[05:05] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: Wake on Lan
[05:05] <racecar56> ha ha
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> Is that like WoW and LOL?
[05:05] <racecar56> XD
[05:05] <racecar56> world of laughter?
[05:05] <racecar56> dotblank3, i have a computer from 2007...
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> dotblank3, it's an XP machine
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> and they turn it off at night
[05:05] <dotblank3> racecar56: that doesn't mean anything
[05:05] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, anything wrong with a computer from 2007?
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> I can't remote connect and run updates if it's off
[05:05] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: its supported in most bioses
[05:05] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, 2gb mem, 4 core
[05:06] <racecar56> dotblank3, 2gb mem, 4 core
[05:06] <racecar56> dotblank3, anything wrong?
[05:06] <TheFunkbomb> dotblank3, but does it work if the whole system is off?
[05:06] <dotblank3> racecar56: harddrive is huge when doing screen cap
[05:06] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: yes
[05:06] <racecar56> dotblank3, 500gb
[05:06] <DanaG> oh yeah, you have to tweak things a bit to get ubuntu not to take the damned interface down on suspend.
[05:06] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: You may notice that ethernet ports light up despite being off
[05:06] <TheFunkbomb> Maybe I'll just break their faces anyway
[05:07] <racecar56> dotblank3, roughly 247 gb free...
[05:07] <dotblank3> racecar56: space is irrelevant its all about speed
[05:07] <racecar56> dotblank3, my windows partition is only like 55 gb, and... quad core, i said that
[05:07] <racecar56> dotblank3, would a quad core help?
[05:08] <dotblank3> racecar56: Speed of your hardrive.. read write throughput
[05:08] <racecar56> dotblank3, sata
[05:08] <dotblank3> racecar56: still not enough data
[05:08] <DanaG> heh, my school (Cal Poly) talks about sustainability... and then leaves at least 1000 P4-based computers on all night, every night.
[05:08] <racecar56> dotblank3, what would work?
[05:08] <dotblank3> copy a large file somewhere on your drive. how fast does it transfer
[05:08] <racecar56> ummm........
[05:08] <DanaG> Some Intel NICs support wake-on-LAN from poweroff.
[05:08] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, you ssaid that compiz is weird on your system too, i have compiz running on an old 1.5Ghz and have no problems, something is wrong with your system somewhere then
[05:09] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, no, its drivers that fail
[05:09] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, if i run compiz any 3d thing flickers
[05:09] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, ahh, well i use legacy drivers
[05:09] <dotblank3> DanaG: TheFunkbomb: any bios dated year 2000 and greater have WoL its almost mandatory
[05:09] <kindofabuzz> old card
[05:09] <TheFunkbomb> dotblank3, and that comes stock?
[05:09] <TheFunkbomb> in the bios?
[05:09] <racecar56> radeon 2400 hd?
[05:10] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: if its a nic built into the mobo then it will work.. if its a pci nic then you have to sometimes use a WoL cable
[05:10] <TheFunkbomb> ugh
[05:10] <TheFunkbomb> I'll just tell her to leave the computer on
[05:10] <racecar56> my nic in the mobo just in case u didnt know
[05:10] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: most of the time it just works though
[05:10] <racecar56> my video card isn't in mobo
[05:10] <racecar56> i have no idea what is in my mobo...
[05:11] <dotblank3> racecar56: we need a benchmark... how fast does your drive copy files?
[05:11] <loquitus_of_bor1> How do I play DVD's in Jaunty?
[05:11] <TheFunkbomb> I'm installing it.  We shall see
[05:11] <kindofabuzz> !dvd
[05:11] <racecar56> so... back to xvidcap, what's wrong?
[05:12] <loquitus_of_bor1> kindofabuzz: what about DVD's in 9.04?
[05:12] <dotblank3> racecar56: try disabling compiz and then run gtk-record-my-desktop
[05:12] <racecar56> dotblank3, i haven't a big file
[05:12] <kindofabuzz> loquitus_of_bor1, it will be the same
[05:12] <racecar56> dotblank3, and i DONT have compiz
[05:12] <loquitus_of_bor1> kindofabuzz: thanks
[05:12] <racecar56> dotblank3, i dont even have my drivers
[05:12] <racecar56> dotblank3, for vid card
[05:12] <dotblank3> racecar56: well theres your problem
[05:13] <racecar56> dotblank3, they refuse to install
[05:13] <TheFunkbomb> it won't work, probably because she turned the power strip off
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[05:13] <dotblank3> racecar56: this isnt a recording program issue its a driver issue
[05:13] <racecar56> dotblank3, kk (mumbles yet my laptop dosen't work with this either and it has all of the drivers in the world it needs)
[05:14] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: LoL, but also note that WoL has to be turned on in the bios (potential security threat is why by deafult its off)
[05:14] <TheFunkbomb> right
[05:14] <TheFunkbomb> I'll just make her leave the computer on.
[05:14] <DanaG> Some NICs also need you to boot Windows and set it from there.
[05:14] <dotblank3> DanaG: What a horrible nic
[05:14] <DanaG> TheFunkbomb: what sort of integrated NIC does it have?
[05:14] <DanaG> I don't have such a card that needs that.
[05:14] <TheFunkbomb> I have no idea
[05:15] <DanaG> lspci -nn can tell you.
[05:15] <racecar56> ahhhhh still dosen't work
[05:15] <racecar56> oh btw anyone want my lspci? ill pastebin it
[05:15] <TheFunkbomb> The whole reason it's set up for remote desktop is because she's too lazy to run windows update and the virus scan
[05:15] <TheFunkbomb> so I do them at like 12am
[05:15] <dotblank3> When I first used WoL I remote turned on about 10 servers in a a garage.. it was very cool...
[05:16] <DanaG> One thing that sounds fun: wake a machine, and then play audio from it.
[05:16] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: use ubuntu and auto-install updates
[05:16] <DanaG> Bonus points if you play mic audio through it -- from a mic on your end.
[05:16] <TheFunkbomb> dotblank3, she won't use Ubuntu.  I tried
[05:16] <manpoole> why the move to diable ctrl alt backspace?
[05:17] <TheFunkbomb> Also, here is another lol part.  She doesn't like me remote desktoping because she doesn't want me to see what she's doing.
[05:17] <dotblank3> DanaG: this one computer had really bright LEDs and at night would light up the room. WoL was complete awesome with that.. it would scare ppl
[05:17] <racecar56> http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f76e2ec6a lspci
[05:17] <zhurai>  <manpoole> why the move to diable ctrl alt backspace? <-- it says in the release notes....
[05:17] <TheFunkbomb> I should also mention that I know all her passwords because I set the computer up
[05:18] <zhurai> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled by default in Xorg
[05:18] <zhurai> The Ctrl-Alt-Backspace key combination to force a restart of X is now disabled by default, to eliminate the problem of accidentally triggering the key combination. Users who do want this function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or by running the command dontzap --disable.
[05:18] <zhurai> @manpoole: there you go
[05:18] <Jordan_U> DanaG, More fun is to use a voice synthesizer while someone is using the computer, at first giving generic sounding error messages then slowly responding more and more humanly to what the person is doing to freak them out :)
[05:18] <racecar56> it helps me alot because all of these programs are running bad because of stupid jockey-gtk that refuses to install _ANY_ driver
[05:19] <manpoole> its hard to believe that could accidentally be hit
[05:19] <racecar56> yeah]
[05:19] <zhurai> *shrug*
[05:19] <zhurai> just do that command then o/
[05:19] <kindofabuzz> when XP first came out i didn't know about the voice recognition feature and it was on. i kept on getting weird things being typed into any text box. i thought i was being hacked, it was just XP listening to me because mic was on
[05:19] <manpoole> heh
[05:19] <zhurai> kindofabuzz: LOL
[05:19] <racecar56> ok
[05:20] <racecar56> i have my lspci a few lines up
[05:20] <racecar56> if anyone wants it
[05:20] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: I would suggest running a headless session over vnc yet i keep forgetting about windows limits and cost (terminal server is the only thing that can really do that)
[05:20]  * zhurai isn't in his linux partition(s) right now anyways
[05:20] <DanaG> ah: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
[05:20] <racecar56> what
[05:20] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, i need the contents of your ~/.ssh too, problem may be there.
[05:20] <kindofabuzz> =)
[05:20] <TheFunkbomb> Or... I could just let the machine crash and burn
[05:21] <TheFunkbomb> works for me!
[05:21] <DanaG> google for rtl8111 wol
[05:21] <DanaG> or rtl8168b wol
[05:21] <DanaG> and the word "linux"
[05:22] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, all that is in there is known_hosts, want that?
[05:22] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, i was kidding man
[05:22] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, ummmmmm................................................................................................. ok
[05:24] <racecar56> DanaG, specific links?
[05:24] <Cameron> I am running jaunty, and I have desktop effects enabled for one user account, but when I switch to another user account, desktop effects isn't enabled.  When I enabled it via apperance preferences, it says "desktop effects cannot be enabled"
[05:25] <DanaG> I'[m doing homeverk, so I can't be digging around in specific links.  :(
[05:25] <DanaG> Wait, is the computer a Windows one or a Linux one?
[05:25] <zhurai> ....
[05:25] <DanaG> It's easy to do in Windows -- look in device manager.
[05:25] <zhurai> \o
[05:25] <racecar56> DanaG, both
[05:25] <dotblank3> Cameron: whoa weird...
[05:25] <zhurai> DanaG:who are you talking to...
[05:25] <racecar56> DanaG, i dualboot
[05:25] <DanaG> racecar56.
[05:25] <zhurai> oh
[05:25] <DanaG> The one that needs waking, I mean.
[05:26] <racecar56> DanaG, want me to go into window$?
[05:26] <DanaG> Hmm, check in Linux first.
[05:26] <racecar56> DanaG, im in it now
[05:26] <racecar56> DanaG, so do what
[05:26] <DanaG> ethtool is one thing to try.  man ethtool.
[05:26] <racecar56> "The program 'ethtool' is currently not installed." so i install it....
[05:27] <racecar56> done
[05:27] <dotblank3> racecar56: wait.. what is your problem again?
[05:28] <racecar56> DanaG, xvidcap freezes after starting to record, and jockey-gtk refuses to install fglrx
[05:29] <racecar56> http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f3a246811 is the return of 'ethtool eth0'
[05:30] <Jordan_U> racecar56, Refuses in what way?
[05:30] <racecar56> Jordan_U, it says "Installing driver..." for a millisecond and then dissapears
[05:30] <Cameron> dotblank3: yeah.. and if I logo out of the first user, and login as the second user (so only 1 user is logged in) it will then allow me to enabled desktop effects !
[05:30] <DanaG> racecar56: try it on command line.
[05:31] <racecar56> dotblank3, xvidcap freezes after starting to record, and jockey-gtk refuses to install fglrx
[05:31] <DanaG> the driver install.
[05:31] <racecar56> i did
[05:31] <DanaG> odd... the official 9.4 one doesn't work?
[05:31] <racecar56> i tried gtk and cmd
[05:31] <DanaG> do it the --buildpkg way.
[05:31] <racecar56> ack the official 9.x SUCK
[05:31] <DanaG> That way it gives debs.
[05:31] <racecar56> they make 3d flicker (on windows)
[05:31] <racecar56> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cool
[05:31] <racecar56> never known that
[05:31] <Cameron> dotblank3: and then if I switch back to the other user, their desktop effects is disabled.. so, its like only one user can have it enabled at a time
[05:32] <racecar56> DanaG, WARNING: Official ATI drivers ALWAYS kill my Ubuntu.
[05:32] <Tokenekie> Hi, I have a question about the usb-creator package. It might be a bug. It does NOT involve initramfs/busybox
[05:32] <DanaG> define "kill"
[05:32] <racecar56> DanaG, they make my computer unaccessible (places > computer) fails
[05:33] <DanaG> Odd... I see no reason for it to do that.
[05:33] <DanaG> You always do --buildpkg way, not the bare install, right?
[05:33] <racecar56> NO.
[05:33] <racecar56> this was long ago
[05:33] <crdlb> no need to yell
[05:34] <racecar56> "DanaG: do it the --buildpkg way." "racecar56: never known that"
[05:34] <Tokenekie> Can anyone help me with a possible bug regarding the usb-creator package?
[05:34] <DanaG> ah.
[05:34] <racecar56> Tokenekie, what is it
[05:35] <racecar56> restarting X so i can see if i finally fixed my vid card's drivers
[05:36] <Salajadin> hi all
[05:36] <Salajadin> im new here
[05:36] <racecar56> hi
[05:36] <Salajadin> new to irc
[05:37] <Tokenekie> racecar56: I have a 4GB usb drive (FAT 32) and when I adjust the slider for persistence all the way to the left, the usb-creator will not create any persistence filespace
[05:37] <racecar56> i was new 3 months ago... never was interested until then
[05:37] <Tokenekie> racecar56: However, if I allocate less that 1.2 GB of space, usb-creator successfully creates the persistence filespace
[05:37] <Salajadin> i installed jaunty 2weeks ago the not sofinal version
[05:37] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: this is by design
[05:38] <racecar56> http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f2c4e7bdf ummmmmmm.... glxgears ODD outpud
[05:38] <racecar56> *output
[05:38] <Salajadin> what are persistence filespaces for?
[05:38] <racecar56> Tokenekie, weird
[05:38] <racecar56> Salajadin, so you wont lose data
[05:38] <Salajadin> hmm
[05:38] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: Would it make sense to make this a new feature? Especially for usb drives capable of storing much more data?
[05:38] <racecar56> Salajadin, if you download (etc) during live cd
[05:38] <Salajadin> so is it like a cache
[05:38] <racecar56> i have a 4GB also
[05:38] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: Why would it be by design anyway?
[05:38] <racecar56> but its a ext2
[05:38] <Salajadin> it is not a filesystem?
[05:39] <DanaG> racecar56: hmm, maybe some opengl libs are not diverted properly?
[05:39] <DanaG> Oh, and check the xorg log.
[05:39] <Salajadin> hmmm i think its more of like a swap forusb?
[05:39] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: Persistent data is support by that utility..
[05:39] <racecar56> DanaG, the heck? wheres xorg log...
[05:39] <DanaG> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:39] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: if you move all the way to the left that means 0 bytes can be used for modified data
[05:40] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: it would be beter to just use discard on shutdown
[05:40] <DanaG> If you plan to make a persistent liveusb... why not just make an installed system?
[05:41] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: Well if that was the case, then I should be able to allocate, say, 2GB for persistence (out of a 4GB drive)
[05:41] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: But I cant even do that
[05:41] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: you should be able too....
[05:41] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Compression
[05:41] <DanaG> ah.
[05:41] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: will the slider not move?
[05:41] <racecar56> xorg log looks bad
[05:41] <DanaG> Does it save changes just to home, or to all?
[05:42] <DanaG> And does it have that stupid persistent-net-generator that makes me end up with eth16 if I move a drive around a lot?
[05:42] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: Nope. The program loads the ISO files, then right when it starts to make the persistence filesystem it exits with a return status of 0
[05:42] <DanaG> 16 is an exaggeration... but I have seen udev rules for up to eth8.
[05:42] <Jordan_U> DanaG, All ( except some things like the kernel because the unionfs isn't mounted until after the kernel is loaded
[05:42] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: I then have effectively created a non-persistent, but working, live USB
[05:42] <robin0800_> Tokenekie: What format is the stick
[05:42] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: wierd.. do you have all filesystem tools... anyway this can be done manually..
[05:42] <DanaG> Jordan_U: ah, so I'd have to use a bare, anyway.
[05:43] <racecar56> ahh SHOOT i cant copy the xorg log because it lags on scrolling!
[05:43] <Tokenekie> robin0800_: It is formated in fat32
[05:43] <DanaG> !info pastebinit
[05:43] <DanaG> then pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:43] <racecar56> k
[05:43] <Jordan_U> DanaG, A bare what?
[05:43] <MeI> hello everyone, got a problem with youtube playing my flash, i already have flash install with the newest version and youtube still prompts me to install flash
[05:43] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: I had a hard time following the online tutorial for setting up a persistent file system. I dont know if it was outdated or anything
[05:43] <DanaG> a bare install.
[05:43] <DanaG> no unionfs.
[05:44] <racecar56> yay
[05:44] <racecar56> http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f7a42d06c it is MILES long
[05:44] <Jordan_U> DanaG, What are you trying to do?
[05:44] <racecar56> MeI, noscript
[05:44] <racecar56> MeI, maybe
[05:44] <DanaG> I have an installed system that I like to usb-boot on various computers.
[05:44] <racecar56> MeI, if you dont have it, then what browser you using?
[05:45] <DanaG> Too bad nvidia binary driver breaks *.
[05:45] <Salajadin> is there a channel for pxe booting in ubuntu?
[05:45] <Tokenekie> Can anyone else verify that they have installed a persistent live USB with more than 2GB allocated to their persistent filesystem?
[05:45] <MeI> racecar56, i have flashplugin-nonfree installed, I am using firefox
[05:45] <racecar56> MeI, :/ swfdec might work better
[05:45] <Tokenekie> Talking about Jaunty
[05:46] <racecar56> DanaG, i posted link to xorg log, got it?
[05:46] <DanaG> oh.
[05:46] <MeI> racecar56, swfdec ? how do i find it?
[05:47] <racecar56> MeI, sudo apt-get install swfdec && sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree
[05:47] <DanaG> key:   (WW) fglrx(0): Failed to open DRM connection
[05:47] <DanaG> Looks like fglrx isn't loaded.
[05:47] <racecar56> bah humbug
[05:47] <racecar56> weird
[05:47] <racecar56> uninstall + reinstall it? i dunno
[05:47] <MeI> racecar56, can find the package swfdec??? I just upgraded to Jaunty
[05:48] <DanaG> racecar56: check dmesg.
[05:48] <racecar56> MeI, dosent work?
[05:48] <DanaG> and check if 'radeon' is loaded.
[05:48] <MeI> racecar, no package found
[05:48] <DanaG> loaded == in lsmod
[05:48] <racecar56> DanaG, should i | tail it? or not
[05:48] <DanaG> or | less
[05:48] <Skapare> is there an RSYNC mirror with the RC isos?
[05:48] <racecar56> yeah
[05:49] <MeI> racecar56, i reinstalled flash and still no cookie
[05:50] <KyleK> I'm having a problem with Xorg, the keyboard/mouse aren't functional when Xorg is running
[05:50] <racecar56> MeI, dang, ask someone else as im using intrepid, i might not be able to help
[05:50] <racecar56> MeI, sorry
[05:50] <MeI> racecar, it is cool thanks :)
[05:50] <racecar56> MeI, k no problem
[05:50] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent tells me to create two partitions on my live USB. However, the way that the persistent usb I have that was created by usb-creator only have 1 partition according to fdisk -l. Is the package using the same method to create a persistent usb?
[05:51] <Tokenekie> Sorry about the grammar, messed up a bit there. I meant to say that my current live-usb only has 1 partition.
[05:51] <racecar56> DanaG, AHAHAHAHA, i found evidence
[05:52] <racecar56> DanaG, at least a clue
[05:52] <DanaG> whazzat?
[05:52] <racecar56> DanaG, wait as i catch it on printscreen
[05:52] <DanaG> you know, you can dmesg | less
[05:52] <racecar56> has nothing to do with dmesg
[05:53] <DanaG> is it in some log file somewhere?
[05:53] <racecar56> no
[05:53] <racecar56> apport
[05:53] <michasb> Hum, I find it silly that OpenLDAP in Jaunty uses cn=config without asking to set a cn=admin,cn=config password OR providing a means to update the configuration.
[05:53] <groensal> so, is this where the release party will be at?
[05:53] <michasb> Still trying to figure it out...
[05:53] <Tokenekie> Can anyone help me verify if a problem I have encountered with the usb-creator package is a bug, or a missing feature?
[05:54] <KyleK> hmm maybe i can run an older version of Xorg
[05:54] <racecar56> groensal, #ubuntu-release-party i think
[05:54] <groensal> racecar56: cool thanks :)
[05:54] <racecar56> groensal, kk
[05:55] <racecar56> DanaG, http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8627/linuxrestrictedmodulesf.jpg
[05:56] <DanaG> ah.
[05:56] <michasb> Progress: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenLdapCnConfigMigration
[05:56] <DanaG> Perhaps you need to boot a same kernel you have built the modules for.
[05:56] <DanaG> ... or something.
[05:56] <KyleK> aww is puc down?
[05:56] <racecar56> DanaG, ummm... huh?
[05:57] <Tokenekie> Can anyone help me verify if a problem I have encountered with the usb-creator package is a bug, or a missing feature?
[05:57] <DanaG> hmm, try running aptitude dist-upgrade in console, perhaps.
[05:57] <SandGorgon> what do you guys do to make firefox look good on Kubuntu 9.04 ?
[05:57] <maco> DanaG: usually how it works....if the module's not built for your running kernel, it won't load
[05:58] <maco> SandGorgon: set GTK to use GTK themes and not bother trying to make it do Qt emulation, because the tabs will just look wrong
[05:58] <DanaG> google for qgtkstyle\
[05:58] <DanaG> er, wait, that's the other way.
[05:58] <DanaG> maco:  But if a package has failed to update... you might have your system in an inconsistent state where headers != running version.
[05:59] <SandGorgon> maco: where do I set GTK to use GTK themes?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> SandGorgon, Might want to ask in #kubuntu but you can try the qt-gtk theme engine ( which is really fun because it's Firefox's XUL emulating your qtk theme which is in turn simply an emulation of your qt theme )
[05:59] <maco> SandGorgon: systemsettings -> appearance -> gtk styles & themes
[05:59] <hifi> when the release party starts exactly
[06:00] <maco> hifi: that depends on your city
[06:00] <hifi> lets say GMT
[06:00] <SandGorgon> I just want Firefox to look decent - that is the biggest problem with transitioning to KDE
[06:00] <maco> uh...so you want the Ubuntu UK LoCo's release party in London?
[06:01] <hifi> umm, the big release?
[06:01] <hifi> it supposedly in one day
[06:01]  * DanaG has to go get ready for bed.  10PM.
[06:01] <maco> oh you want to know what time the CD images come out?
[06:01] <DanaG> Class at 8am tomorrow => I get up at 6:15 or so.
[06:01] <hifi> yup
[06:01] <maco> the usual answer is: at some point while there is at least 1 timezone that still calls it Thursday
[06:02] <Tokenekie> Can anyone help me verify if a problem I have encountered with the usb-creator package is a bug, or a missing feature?
[06:02] <maco> the second half of the usual answer is: every time you ask, it's delayed by 2 hours
[06:02] <hifi> roger that :)
[06:03] <Jordan_U> Tokenekie, Depends, what is the bug / missing feature ?
[06:03] <hifi> I have never been here when its released so I was just curious
[06:04] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: I have a 4GB (fat32) usb drive and I wish to allocate the maximum amount of remaining data to persistency. However if I do that, usb-creator exits with a return status of 0 the moment it begins to write the persistent filesystem. This problem does NOT happen if I allocate 1.2GB or less to persistency
[06:04] <DanaG> hmm, try allocating 1.2 and resizing?
[06:04] <DanaG> maybe?
[06:05] <DanaG> if it's a partition, that is.
[06:05] <Tokenekie> DanaG: How do I resize
[06:05] <Tokenekie> oh
[06:05] <DanaG> Or is it a loop mount?
[06:05] <DanaG> I'm not sure how the persistence works.
[06:05] <Jordan_U> Tokenekie, Sounds like a bug to me
[06:05] <Tokenekie> DanaG: No I dont believe it is a partition
[06:05] <DanaG> dang.
[06:05] <Tokenekie> DanaG: I am unsure myself really
[06:05] <DanaG> time to go off nowzzz.
[06:06] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Now that you mention it it should be a loop mount though, or at least that should be an option instead of a separate partition
[06:07] <Salajadin> i think its like a swap thing
[06:07] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: Do you have any knowledge about the usb-creator bugs? There is an entry on launchpad talking about a similar issue but I cant verify if it is the same issue. I dont want to keep duplicating bugs.
[06:08] <Jordan_U> Tokenekie, Can you link to the bug report? I don't know much about usb-creator but I can probably tell you if it's a dupe
[06:08] <KyleK> hey im running jaunty but when I run the X server the keyboard stops responding
[06:10] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/346700, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/332485
[06:12] <KyleK> okay its a problem with Xorg
[06:12] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: Just to reiterate, my usb-creator does not "fail". So link 2 might not be the same issue.
[06:13] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: Instead usb-creator just doesnt even attempt to create the persistence. It exits with a status 0
[06:13] <Tokenekie> I hope someone else has these problems. Please mention if it has, therefore we know it is an actual bug, not just a problem with my particular instance.
[06:15] <manpoole> question what are some of the startup aps i can diable on a desktop?
[06:15] <racecar56> i am so tired of all these dumb slow scrolls
[06:15] <manpoole> for faster bootup
[06:15] <Salajadin> bluetooth
[06:15] <manpoole> did it
[06:15] <Salajadin> disable it
[06:16] <Salajadin> and visual assistance
[06:16] <manpoole> power manager is that only for laptops?
[06:16] <Salajadin> and remote desktop
[06:16] <manpoole> disabled those too
[06:16] <Salajadin> yep
[06:16] <PictureMan2k9> Is it possible to run the RC CDs LIVE?
[06:16] <manpoole> so i can disable power manager
[06:16] <PictureMan2k9> or are they install only?
[06:17] <manpoole> didnt know if that had anything to do with screen turning off
[06:17] <Salajadin> disable check for new hardware
[06:17] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: i think they do live
[06:17] <manpoole> i disabled powe manager
[06:17] <Salajadin> and nothing happened right?
[06:17] <manpoole> seahorse daemon what is that
[06:17] <manpoole> well i havent rebooted since disableing power manager
[06:18] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: I don't see the Xubuntu version
[06:18] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: its well hidden *g*
[06:18] <faileas> one moment
[06:18] <Jordan_U> Tokenekie, It's not a duplicate, it may be caused by the same underlying bug but I would file it and let the developers figure that out, possibly mentioning that the other bug might be related
[06:18] <faileas> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/rc/
[06:19] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: Thanks, ill get on that
[06:19] <Salajadin> seahorse is used to manage encryption keys
[06:19] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: that will work
[06:19] <Salajadin> disable print queu if you dont have printer on
[06:19] <racecar56> ok so where is xorg log again?
[06:20] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: I reckon http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/rc/xubuntu-9.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso is what I want
[06:20] <Salajadin> and disable the evolution alarm
[06:20] <manpoole> salajadin any thing else to a faster boot?
[06:20] <Salajadin> wait imma give you a link
[06:20] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: no
[06:20] <Jordan_U> PictureMan2k9, The alternate CD is not live
[06:20] <faileas> alternate disks arn't live
[06:20] <PictureMan2k9> err
[06:20] <Salajadin> i use this whenever i optimize ubuntu
[06:20] <racecar56> nvm
[06:21] <manpoole> ohh... didnt disable print queue i have a printer but does that just keep the scheduled prints from the previous session?
[06:21] <Salajadin> it's sort of like my ubuntu checklist
[06:21] <Salajadin> yep
[06:21] <Salajadin> but
[06:21]  * faileas tends to prefer the 'mini' version over alternate anyway
[06:21] <Salajadin> you can disable it when you dont have anyprintjobs
[06:21] <DanaG> Easier to leave it enabled.
[06:21] <manpoole> sweetness
[06:21] <DanaG> Otherwise you have to predict when you'll want to print.
[06:21] <PictureMan2k9> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/rc/xubuntu-9.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso .
[06:21] <faileas> ya
[06:21] <faileas> that'll work
[06:22] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: I'm wanting to see if I have the same trouble as Intrepid would give me.  I'm guessing the Live version will work perfect, as Intrepid messed up Live too ?
[06:22] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: Or should I wait for the real release to test it
[06:22] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: its a live disk
[06:22] <faileas> what's the worst that could happen?
[06:23] <Salajadin> does your machine have two cores
[06:23] <Salajadin> manpoole
[06:23] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: It shoots beams out of my DVD+/-RW , and makes me praise the Sacred X-Men Cow
[06:23] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: or something
[06:23] <manpoole> yes?
[06:23] <racecar56> DanaG, pastebinned dmesg http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f4de5bfc2
[06:24] <faileas> or something
[06:24] <racecar56> shoot
[06:24] <faileas> actually, one previous release did have the tendancy to bork a certain common network card ;p
[06:24] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: yeah anyway.  Intrepid doesn't work with my NIC, it makes it twinkle around and never gets an IP# (DHCP?)
[06:24] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: The router light just flashes over and over, same thing with directly connecting to the modem
[06:24] <manpoole> ohhh yes two cores
[06:24] <Salajadin> ok
[06:24] <manpoole> didnt see that
[06:24] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: i don't know that issue with Hardy
[06:24] <PictureMan2k9> don't have*
[06:25] <Salajadin> manpoole, http://news.softpedia.com/news/Optimize-Ubuntu-8-04-for-Speed-86405.shtml
[06:25] <Salajadin> i use this
[06:25] <Salajadin> it works on jaunty too
[06:25] <manpoole> my dell bios is crazy slow
[06:25] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: yet Intrepid works just fine on my old p2 450 MHz.  *shrugs*
[06:25] <manpoole> but im going to give it a try
[06:25] <faileas> lol
[06:26] <Salajadin> but if your not confident on using some of the fixes here don't dare use them
[06:26] <faileas> i have a PIII 450 ;p
[06:26] <Aleksey_S> hi all
[06:26] <faileas> its running as a server tho
[06:26] <manpoole> well did you use them and the work?
[06:26] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: My niece is using the old P2 now with XP
[06:26] <Salajadin> manpoole, use at your own risk
[06:26] <manpoole> thats good enough for me
[06:26] <Salajadin> yep every single one of em
[06:26] <manpoole> im up to a risk
[06:26] <manpoole> im running ext4 afterall lol
[06:28] <eso> hay guys
[06:29] <maverick> No sound.. just a static or hum...... a faint crackling sound....
[06:29] <maverick> running jaunty RC
[06:29] <Aleksey_S> maverick: what programs did you test?
[06:30] <vart> maverick: try to blacklist the pc speacker module
[06:31] <moj0rising> hi. I'm trying to find the CD ROM device name on my system.  I can see that it is mounted as /home/us/.gvfs/cdda/mount/on/sr0/ but I don't know what is mounted there. If I use the mou t command I can't seem to find it. Can anyone point be in the right direction?
[06:31] <moj0rising> it's usually something like /dev/cdrom
[06:31] <maverick> vart: i mean, i try to listen to my mp3 songs and that's all i hear.... just low static.. when i had installed jaunty beta..and downloaded codecs..it was fine.. i made some changes in volume control manager pr sth.....
[06:31] <maverick> Aleksey_S: vart :    how to do that???
[06:33] <vart> maverick: so maybe it just muted? could you undo your changes?
[06:34] <Salajadin> mojorising, try sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[06:34] <Veinor> Who here is gonna have a release party? 8D
[06:35] <Salajadin> i believe theres info on your mounts infstab
[06:36] <vart> maverick: sudo modprobe -r pcspkr                      - to temporary disable it
[06:37] <Salajadin> manpoole, how's it going?
[06:37] <maverick> vart: I tried.. I had perhaps changed audio driver/card..but no use.... [no, not muted]..... i also tried to do sth like making every setting to default.....but that didn't work either....
[06:38] <manpoole> just reading about it
[06:38] <manpoole> thinking about trying concurrent booting
[06:38] <manpoole> the hd speed up has a lot of confusion in the comments
[06:38] <manpoole> and im on ext4
[06:38] <maverick> vart: disabled it...i am trying to listen to the songs again...
[06:38] <Salajadin> hmmm concurrent booting rocks
[06:38] <manpoole> so im going to skip the hd tweak
[06:39] <Salajadin> thta's the concurrency=shell stuff right
[06:39] <manpoole> what processor do you have?
[06:39] <manpoole> yea
[06:39] <Salajadin> 2 cores
[06:39] <manpoole> silly question. you do not need 64 bit or anything for that do you?
[06:39] <maverick> vart: no..same crackling sound
[06:39] <Salajadin> that setting letsyou utilize more your 2 cores
[06:39] <Salajadin> no
[06:39] <manpoole> yea supposedly
[06:40] <Salajadin> mine is x86
[06:40] <Aleksey_S> maverick: what player do you use?
[06:40] <manpoole> i want to do more research into the concurrent booting before i try it
[06:40] <maverick> vart: is there a way that i can change it to default sound settings.......
[06:40] <maverick> Aleksey_S: songs in rhythm box
[06:40] <manpoole> although i could easily boot to a live cd and change it back
[06:40] <maverick> Aleksey_S: vids in smplayer and vlc
[06:41] <maverick> Aleksey_S: but just sound is the problem
[06:41] <Aleksey_S> maverick: what about system sounds? ubuntu welcome sound etc
[06:41] <vart> maverick: if you do dmesg | grep alsa                 - do you see any problems with the driver initialization?
[06:42] <joetheodd> Can anyone else not update the repos?
[06:43] <maverick> vart: nothing happened...i typed the cmd and nth happened
[06:43] <moj0rising> Salajadin: BIngo. I was able to find it there: /media/cdrom0 .. Thought I checked there already but oh well. Thank you!
[06:44] <maverick> Aleksey_S: no i didn't hear..but in the last session i had muted my speakers..that's why i might not have heard it....
[06:45] <Salajadin> congrats mojo
[06:46] <maverick> Aleksey_S: vart : Can't I just put back every sound property to default...so that I can hear sonds again..and I hope my mp3 codecs aren't disturbed..even if this happens.. i will download them again.....
[06:48] <ajavid> hi
[06:48] <ajavid> does 9.04 kernel 2.6.28-11 have support for ext4 volumes?
[06:48] <dash|x58> why doesn't ndiswrapper work properly in 9.04
[06:49] <dash|x58> it didnt want to accept my windows driver ;[
[06:49] <vart> ajavid: yes
[06:51] <vart> maverick: I do not know how. but I would try to reinstall the alsa driver (alsa-base package etc)
[06:54] <Salajadin> ajavid, yes it supports ext4
[06:54] <Salajadin> imusing that kernel and i have ext4 on my /home partition
[06:54] <maverick> vart: ok..thanks...i will try
[06:55] <theriex> anybody know where I can find a temporary solution to the wireless issues, until the final is released?
[06:55] <vart> !wireless
[06:56] <theriex> gee thanks for the dumb persons guide
[06:56] <maverick> Aleksey_S: hey ..got any thing for me..??
[07:00] <manpoole> Salajadin about to try concurrent booting
[07:00] <manpoole> brb wish me luck
[07:04] <Salajadin> goodluck manpoole
[07:06]  * Skapare finally decided to just go ahead and download the RC despite there being only 2 days, and is writing it on the USB key now
[07:15] <SandGorgon> in kubuntu 9.04, how do I get flash with firefox? I have install ed flashplugin-nonfree and it works OK with konqueror - but doesnt work with FF
[07:30] <petsounds> SandGordon, download from http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/ and select .deb package
[07:31] <paul68> hi did the support for creative labs xfi cards improved in the new release or is it still crappy
[07:32] <loquitus_of_bor1> I have xi fi.... seems to be ok
[07:33] <CaneToad> Once the jaunty official release becomes available, what will the steps be to upgrade from 8.10?  Is it just a matter of pressing Alt+F2 and typing in "update-manager -d" ?
[07:33] <racecar56> no -d because it's gonna be released
[07:34] <racecar56> -d for now until tomorrow
[07:35] <paul68> loquitus_of_bor1: did you have to do something special to make it work or did it work correctly by itself?
[07:39] <racecar56> omg getdeb retired 8.10? i didnt even know they do that! O_O
[07:39] <racecar56> >:(
[07:40] <jpds> racecar56: Once it's removed from the archive/releases, it's a pretty good sign that you need to upgrade. :)
[07:40] <racecar56> maybe i should upgrade to 9.04 right now...
[07:40] <racecar56> i will
[07:40] <racecar56> as soon as i can, i will
[07:40] <racecar56> i tested 8.10 (back in the good ol' days) but i test 9.04 in a vm instead, now
[07:41] <paul68> loquitus_of_bor1: ?
[07:41] <racecar56> just one thing:
[07:41] <CaneToad> racecar56: are you saying that once released it will automatically update from 8.10 to 9.04, or do I have to change some settings for that to happen?
[07:41] <racecar56> my idiotic ati drivers broke
[07:41] <racecar56> CaneToad, no, you have to do it manually, it will tell you to upgrade when you launch update-manager tomorrow, as it will be released tomorrow
[07:42] <racecar56> CaneToad, if you cant wait then to update-manager -d in a terminal or whatever
[07:42] <racecar56> jpds, as soon as i fix my gfx card ill upgrade
[07:42] <jpds> racecar56: Your choice when to do it :)
[07:43] <racecar56> jpds, ill be upgrading fast, i like new versions :>
[07:43] <racecar56> is it good to keep at least 1 of a older version of a kernel?
[07:43] <racecar56> like have 2.6.27-14 and -13
[07:46] <rumpel> Is this a bug, not to have audio-controls (by mouse movement)  in vlc fullscreen in jaunty?
[07:49] <racecar56> im gonna restart a bunch of times and attempt to fix my gfx card
[07:49] <racecar56> ill be back in a bit
[07:53] <drbobb> is there some ubuntu or debian derivative/remix that would be usable on a laptop with 256M RAM?
[07:53] <drbobb> and preferably not Xubuntu, I don't really like Xfce much
[07:54] <rumpel> why not upgrading ram?
[07:55] <drbobb> hard to get ram suitable for older machines
[07:56] <coz_> drbobb,    ebay :)
[07:56] <drbobb> I recently had to stow away a sun ultrasparc server because ram upgrades are not available at a reasonable price
[07:56] <coz_> drbobb,  rdram?
[07:56] <drbobb> one that was in great working order btw
[07:57] <drbobb> ebay is great if u are in the us
[07:57] <rumpel> how much RAM needs Gnome?
[07:57] <coz_> ebay.uk   ebay.it  etc I believe
[07:57] <coz_> rumpel,  what do you have now?
[07:58] <rumpel> Jaunty, 2GByte
[07:58] <coz_> rumpel,  that is more than enough for gnome
[07:58] <yoasif> drbobb: you can try crunchbang lite
[07:58] <drbobb> coz_: it seems that laptop's hdd may die soon
[07:58] <rumpel> was only curious...
[07:58] <drbobb> coz_: not worthwhile investing much in it
[07:59] <coz_> drbobb,   yeah if its a laptop   I wouldnt even bother
[07:59] <rumpel> but where could i look for infos about gnome's ram usage?
[08:00] <yoasif> GNOME will run like crap on that machine heh
[08:00] <rumpel> ah.. got it
[08:00] <drbobb> yoasif: thx i'll look it up
[08:00] <yoasif> http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/about
[08:01] <drbobb> what about the netbook remix? is it only suitable for atom-based machines?
[08:02] <rumpel> whats the fattest gnome-process in mem?
[08:04] <yoasif> drbobb: netbook remix is still heavier than a crunchbang
[08:04] <mnemo> rumpel: here is my GNOME system running right now (8GB machine) --> http://pastebin.com/f3c5ffd9c
[08:04] <yoasif> drbobb: the debian lxde desktop might be something you might want to check out as well
[08:04] <mnemo> rumpel: RSS column is memory size
[08:05] <drbobb> yoasif: crunchbang looks pretty nice indeed.
[08:05] <racecar56> good news: my GFX is fixed! XD
[08:05] <rumpel> @mnemo not very convenient... but tnx. "top" gives me a mem usage around 3-5% of my 2Gigs... ist this possible?
[08:05] <racecar56> XD because i reported bug and now ill have to say its working again
[08:06] <rumpel> Xserver+gnomestuff
[08:06] <topyli> drbobb: netbook remix is gnome. it's not light at all
[08:06] <rumpel> not an urgent question, just out of curiousity
[08:07] <djhash> whats the current recommendation for a driver to be used on ATI Radeon X1950 series on an AMD R790FX chipset?
[08:07] <topyli> well, any lighter than ubuntu anyway
[08:07] <drbobb> topyli: so 1GB RAM is pretty much the minimum for reasonable performance?
[08:08] <racecar56> jpds, i fixed my gfx card, should i update-manager -d or should i wait until tomorrow?
[08:08] <stahlstift> Good Morning - Someone found a not locked Mirror for final? Please Query :)
[08:08] <yoasif> you can just install jaunty and use openbox or fluxbox or lxde for speed
[08:08] <drbobb> yoasif: thx for lxde, I hadn't heard of that one
[08:08] <mnemo> rumpel: here is top sorted by mem --> http://pastebin.com/m13c441db
[08:08] <racecar56> yeah, fluxbox/openbox PWNS
[08:08] <racecar56> at speed
[08:08] <jpds> racecar56: which you want - only critical fixes will go in by then.
[08:09] <crdlb> I use 512MB with "reasonable performance"
[08:09] <racecar56> jpds, just wait?
[08:09] <rumpel> @mnemo tnx. Looks like on my machine...
[08:09] <racecar56> jpds, oh i see what you sayin
[08:09] <jpds> racecar56: You can start upgrade to download all the necessary packages (without installing) with: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d
[08:09] <racecar56> jpds, k
[08:10] <drbobb> I'm curious about the unusual UI in netbook remix, so I'd still like to know whether Atom is actually a requirement, or can it run on a celeron machine?
[08:10] <racecar56> jpds, that seemed to say i had latest
[08:11] <racecar56> jpds, should i use update-manager -d?
[08:11] <jpds> racecar56: Did you change your sources.list to jaunty and run apt-get update?
[08:11] <rumpel> @racecar56 worked for me
[08:11] <racecar56> jpds, oh, no, ill do
[08:11] <stahlstift> drbobb: you can switch to normal mode in the preferences
[08:11] <topyli> drbobb: i'm running gnome on my eeepc with 512M RAM. it's not fast but works well
[08:11] <racecar56> me do now
[08:12] <topyli> drbobb: it will work on 256M too, but you won't enjoy it
[08:12] <mnemo> rumpel: if you care a lot about performance, consider helping out... see for example --> http://live.gnome.org/GnomePerformance and http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction
[08:12] <yoasif> topyli: try using a lighter DE/WM... you'll be happy you did
[08:12] <drbobb> stahlstift: that wasn't my question, i was asking about the cpu requirements
[08:12] <topyli> yoasif: i know
[08:12] <stahlstift> drbobb: I tried yesterday the Netbook Remix with my MSI Wind and it runs really smooth. Both Mode - even Compiz worked
[08:12] <rumpel> @mnemo if its really so small, i dont care about gaining more free ram ^^
[08:13] <topyli> yoasif: the thing is, the window managers and such don't make such a difference if you're running the same apps. those are the memory hogs
[08:13] <yoasif> topyli: it's a bit of everything, i find
[08:14] <stahlstift> The interesting thing is - the most people who are shouting about "this app uses to much ram!" have >4gb ram :)
[08:14] <topyli> yoasif: i've built desktops on fvwm and enlightenment countless times, but i always end up running the gnome daemons because i like what they do. in the end, i've noticed i might as well run gnome
[08:15] <yoasif> topyli: which daemons? they can mostly be replaced with faster alternatives
[08:17] <topyli> yoasif: gnome-settings-daemon and evolution-data-server are essential. that means you need dbus. i like gnome-volume-manager so i run it. and so on. i like computers doing stuff *for* me, that's why i bought one in the first place
[08:17] <rumpel> which would this alternative be for pulseaudio? alsa?
[08:17] <rumpel> pulseaudio on my eee 4g sux :P
[08:18] <Skapare> all those wireless issues I had with bad network-manager not reading the WEP key in Intrepid ... works OK in Jaunty RC ... for 32-bit ... will try 64-bit next
[08:18] <topyli> yoasif: i also end up running gnome-panel because i like some of the applets. then i throw in nautilus because integrates so well with all the rest. then i'm basically just a window manager away from gnome :)
[08:18] <yoasif> topyli: ah, i don't run evolution... alpine here
[08:18] <yoasif> topyli: i find thunar to be faster than nautilus with most of the same features
[08:18] <topyli> yoasif: i want my information synced between all my devices
[08:19] <topyli> yoasif: it's not about file management, i don't do that anyway
[08:19] <Skapare> the only issue I see is network-manager was a little bit aggressive in trying to connect to the first open system (a neighbor) it found as soon as I tried to access it
[08:19] <Skapare> before I could configure the key for my own secured wireless
[08:20] <yoasif> topyli: yeah i have no idea what type of syncing evolution provides, heh
[08:20] <topyli> yoasif: i've been around longer than gnome, i can appreciate the convenience it brings
[08:20] <topyli> yoasif: not evolution, evolution-data-server
[08:21] <J-_> Anyone else having a problem with Banshee deleting either database entries, or mp3s? On my setup, they have to be deleted through the root user, and I'm listening as regular user so I doubt the actual mp3s are affected. I hope not anyway
[08:21] <yoasif> topyli: yeah no idea what that does
[08:21] <topyli> yoasif: basically it lets me sync all my devices over the internet, via syncml. smartphones and other sane devices speak syncml
[08:21] <dagonet> anybody use audacious?
[08:22] <dagonet> i always get this bug > can't play in network shared file
[08:22] <atari> moin
[08:22] <yoasif> topyli: yeah looks like fun... sadly gnome runs slow on my machine (dual core turion) so i just run really light apps
[08:23] <racecar56> upgrading
[08:23] <dagonet> i don't know whether in jaunty has been fixed yet
[08:23] <yoasif> topyli: gnome and apps, rather
[08:23] <atari> has anyone a clue how to get printing working with a samba printer and auth? i always get "can not prompt for authorization"
[08:23] <ghindo> Does anybody know if the Intel issues will eventually be fixed in Jaunty, or will we have to wait till Karmic?
[08:24] <topyli> dagonet: now are you mounting this share? if you do it with nautilus, audacious probably won't work since it doesn't understand gvfs. mount the share by hand into the filesystem
[08:24] <racecar56> atari you got further than me :P
[08:24] <atari> racecar56: hm?
[08:24] <racecar56> atari mine dosent even DETECT any printers
[08:24] <yoasif> topyli: slow login too (an issue when you dont have working suspend)
[08:24] <atari> detect? mine didnt detect the printer either... i just added it manually ;)
[08:24] <racecar56> atari oh, ok
[08:24] <dagonet> topyli:no i didn't mount it
[08:25] <atari> racecar56: let me guess: you try to add a printer which is in an other workgroup?
[08:25] <topyli> yoasif: dunno. either you're a very busy person or there's something wrong with your setup .)
[08:26] <topyli> yoasif: being busy is moot btw, since if you don't let gnome do its stuff, it'll be *you* who has to work more and eventually get less done :)
[08:26] <racecar56> atari no, same
[08:26] <atari> racecar56: k
[08:26] <atari> racecar56: hm
[08:26] <racecar56> atari all of our comps are in the workgroup called WORKGROUP
[08:26] <yoasif> topyli: not sure how it would help me... evolution looks decent, so i may want to look into that instead of alpine
[08:26] <zhurai> hm... question: what time of the day (and what timezone) is the release going to be...well released?
[08:27] <topyli> dagonet: well you should mount it of course, make the files available :)
[08:27] <crdlb> zhurai: expect late
[08:27] <topyli> yoasif: nah, evolution is not worth using just for email
[08:27] <yoasif> topyli: linux in the last few years has just gotten slow, so it's not just me being busy
[08:27] <dagonet> topyli:you mean by modifying fstab?
[08:28] <zhurai> crdlb: why though? O_o, are they going by the GMT time or what GMT+/- time?
[08:28] <crdlb> zhurai: it's released when the release manager declares it so ...
[08:28] <topyli> yoasif: my experience is quite the opposite. i have no idea about linux, but gnome has become progressively lighter and faster during the last 5-6 releases
[08:28] <zhurai> o/
[08:28] <zhurai> I ment when is the website updated and the disk image released....
[08:29] <topyli> dagonet: eventually, probably yes. you can just do it from any shell with "mount" too
[08:29] <crdlb> dagonet: how exactly are you loading the song into audacious?
[08:29] <zhurai> = I'm not doing this via release manager
[08:29] <crdlb> dagonet: are you actually using jaunty?
[08:29] <dagonet> not yet
[08:29] <yoasif> topyli: nautilus just took 5 seconds to load
[08:29] <crdlb> zhurai: I meant the person :)
[08:29] <dagonet> i'm still using intrepid
[08:29] <yoasif> thunar... 1 second
[08:30] <zhurai>  <crdlb> zhurai: I meant the person :) <-- >_< eh
[08:30] <yoasif> and it appeared in 5 seconds, then it looked horrible while it drew the icons for another second or so
[08:30] <topyli> yoasif: interesting results. you should file a bug and provide clues as to how to duplicate it
[08:30] <crdlb> dagonet: well, depending on your answer to my previous question, it may be fixed in jaunty
[08:30] <racecar56> whatever that bug is, im gonna have it fixed
[08:31] <racecar56> cause im upgrading as we speak
[08:31] <yoasif> topyli: don't even think it's a bug, since i see it all the time... nautilus is heavy, thunar is very light
[08:31] <racecar56> k
[08:31] <racecar56> i agree with you
[08:31] <racecar56> pcmanfm is also pwn
[08:31] <topyli> yoasif: nautilus is definitely bigger of course
[08:31] <topyli> yoasif: it also does much more for you in return :)
[08:32] <racecar56> loaded my /proc folder in a millisecond, nautilus took like... probably a minute
[08:32] <topyli> yoasif: but since you speak in terms of "file managers" and "mail clients", we're not on the same page at all
[08:32] <MarkJones> Hello I was wondering if reporting bugs is helpful if so I would like to know how I can help report bugs?
[08:32] <racecar56> wow brasero is jumping to catch up with gnome's versions...
[08:32] <topyli> yoasif: you should definitely use nautilus or evolution or most of gnome in fact
[08:33] <yoasif> topyli: i'd love to not run "file managers" and "mail clients" if it were FAST
[08:33] <racecar56> from 0.9.1 (i think) to 2.26 O_o
[08:33] <crdlb> racecar56: 1s to open and 1s to load /proc here
[08:33] <topyli> yoasif: err, definietly NOT use them
[08:33] <yoasif> topyli: but it isn't, so i make do
[08:33] <crdlb> racecar56: every gnome module does that
[08:33] <racecar56> crdlb, k
[08:34] <dagonet> is anybody know the link to final release build status?i had this in the last intrepid release, but i forgot it
[08:34] <racecar56> tomorrow its coming out
[08:34] <racecar56> apr 23rd
[08:34] <racecar56> and today is 22nd
[08:35] <racecar56> woot 80% done downloading
[08:35] <yoasif> topyli: i *like* GNOME it's just slow and my machine doesn't feel fast when i'm using it...
[08:35] <dagonet> i mean the link to a web page that inform jaunty release build status
[08:35] <MarkJones> No one knows how to report bugs?
[08:35] <yoasif> MarkJones: launchpad.net
[08:35] <dagonet> Markjones: why don't you report it via launchpad
[08:36] <racecar56> yoasif, i agree with you, my laptop dosen't necessarily like it either.
[08:36] <racecar56> yoasif, however my pc (with 2 more cores) handles it better
[08:36] <racecar56> 93%
[08:36] <MarkJones> Thank you Ill go and see launchpad then.
[08:37] <dagonet> @yoasif:why not to try netbook remix on your laptop
[08:37] <racecar56> ahhh nooooooooooooo it canceled, gonna download again -_-
[08:37] <topyli> dagonet: netbook remix is gnome
[08:37] <racecar56> ummm...
[08:38] <dagonet> but it's more light
[08:38] <yoasif> dagonet: i'm running openbox and i want more speed, i think playing with firefox is going to give me more of a boost than switching to another WM/DE
[08:38] <topyli> dagonet: really? i sort of doubt that
[08:38] <dagonet> yoasif:wait for chromium or firefox 3.5
[08:38] <racecar56> jpds, O_o apparently the -d option on apt-get dist-upgrade seems to download, but not install..... lul
[08:39] <yoasif> ironically, i too am running gnome-panel and gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-power-manager
[08:39] <racecar56> what happened to firefox 3.1?
[08:39] <yoasif> ff 3.1 is going to be ff 3.5
[08:39] <dagonet> topyli:have you tried it yet?
[08:39] <racecar56> weird
[08:39] <topyli> dagonet: yes, i give it a whirl every now and then to see how it's doing
[08:39] <racecar56> blah version skip O_o
[08:40] <racecar56> they move their versions too fast
[08:40] <racecar56> there should have been a firefox 1.1
[08:40] <yoasif> firefox needs to speed up too
[08:40] <dagonet> yoasif:i agree
[08:40] <yoasif> hasnt been as fast as the ff 1.5 days and phoenix days in a looooooong time
[08:40] <racecar56> just M$ with their internet exploder is going to v8.0.x O_o
[08:40] <dagonet> firefox 3 is soooooo sloooww
[08:41] <racecar56> yeah
[08:41] <racecar56> i miss ff 1.x
[08:41] <jpds> racecar56: That's what I said....
[08:41] <topyli> dagonet: it is gnome, plus a few applets, a theme, and a metacity hack. they also replace the menu with a clutter-based launcher which i would suppose is heavier, not lighter than the gnome menu
[08:41] <mnemo> racecar56: just install it then :P
[08:41] <racecar56> jpds, k
[08:41] <racecar56> mnemo, i am
[08:41] <jpds> racecar56: It's so everything is on your computer so you can install faster.
[08:41] <atari> racecar56: do you have any special chars in the passwords?
[08:41] <racecar56> jpds, k
[08:41] <dagonet> i've tried FF3.1 beta 3 and it's faster than FF 3
[08:41] <racecar56> atari, i havent done it with auth
[08:41] <racecar56> atari, i dont know
[08:42] <racecar56> atari, maybe someone else will know
[08:42] <dagonet> topyli:so you think it's better use lxde than gnome..
[08:42] <topyli> dagonet: i guess
[08:42] <yoasif> topyli: kinda disappointed that netbook remix is slow :(
[08:42] <racecar56> gnome thinks it is still v2.24 but it's actually 2.26 xD
[08:43] <yoasif> it's a major annoyance that i have with gnome/ubuntu in general
[08:43] <dagonet> i've tried linux mint fluxbox and it is faster than the gnome one
[08:43] <topyli> dagonet: if you want a light desktop, build it on fvwm. you can build beautiful, fast and functional desktops with it
[08:43] <yoasif> kinda hard to sell a new os when it is slower than the os it replaces
[08:43] <topyli> yoasif: i don't think it's slower, i think it's the same
[08:44] <dagonet> @topyli:thanks FYI i'll take a note on that.
[08:44] <racecar56> i dont like the *box WM's because they don't have a networkmanager-like thing, i don't know how to connect otherwise
[08:44] <crdlb> a panel + nm-applet still works
[08:44] <yoasif> racecar56: wicd
[08:44] <yoasif> and what crdlb said
[08:44] <crdlb> nm-applet isn't actually an applet
[08:44] <topyli> racecar56: network-manager has nothing to do with your desktop
[08:44] <yoasif> topyli: what kind of hardware are you talking about?
[08:45] <yoasif> ubuntu is noticably slower than xp on most hardware i have tried it on
[08:45] <yoasif> topyli: it's a lot slower than windows 7 as well
[08:45] <topyli> yoasif: my hardware? i have a dog slow eeepc and a ridiculously fast desktop
[08:45] <dagonet> does NM has a better fix on jaunty yet? yesterday i've tried jaunty beta, and NM did fine.
[08:45] <topyli> i run exactly the same setup on them
[08:46] <atari> hm
[08:46] <atari> grmbl
[08:46] <atari> i think i just found a bug... :/
[08:47] <yoasif> topyli: my issue is really less with gnome than it is with firefox... i like adblock plus enough to downgrade my DE experience (firefox just sucks down cpu)
[08:47] <topyli> yoasif: i use epiphany
[08:48] <topyli> i never liked firefox
[08:48] <yoasif> topyli: if epiphany had an adblock port alike, i'd use it... i like the speed, but i don't like ads
[08:48] <dagonet> topyli:have you tried chromium PPA daily build yet?it's fast.
[08:48] <topyli> dagonet: i did try it but it's been a long while
[08:49] <dagonet> topyli:yeah..it's still alpha version
[08:49] <yoasif> topyli: i was looking forward to epiphany-webkit too, but again... no adblockplus
[08:49] <topyli> dagonet: i don't see it becoming very "gnomish" not very likely i'll be using it
[08:49] <topyli> yoasif: epiphany comes with adblock, installed by default even
[08:50] <crdlb> it's not quite ported to the webkit version yet, though
[08:50] <yoasif> topyli: completely dead version, the rules arent updated anymore
[08:50] <topyli> crdlb: right
[08:50] <crdlb> yoasif: uh
[08:51] <topyli> yoasif: the ephy adblock has nothing to do with the firefox extensions
[08:51] <crdlb> if so, you could get that fixed instead of just running away :)
[08:51] <yoasif> topyli: yeah it does, they based it off of adblock  and filterset.g
[08:51] <yoasif> and adblock is dead now and filterset.g is also dead
[08:52] <topyli> originally
[08:52] <yoasif> it doesn't use the same rules as the new versions of adblock plus, so i can't take advantage of the community rules
[08:52] <topyli> i'm not an adblock expert, but ephy's one does work and that's enough for me
[08:53] <topyli> you can add any rules you want. i always use one based on finnish rules
[08:53] <yoasif> topyli: i know, but if i use adblockplus + easylist, i dont have to
[08:54] <yoasif> topyli: plus, it gets updated automatically
[08:54] <topyli> anyway, i like a web browser that just shows me web pages and integrates well with all my gnome apps
[08:54] <topyli> you can analyze ad blockers all day but i won't run firefox and ruin my workflow
[08:55]  * crdlb actually doesn't use adblock (even when it's available)
[08:55] <crdlb> I just don't use flash in my main browser session
[08:55] <yoasif> topyli: how does using firefox ruin your workflow?
[08:55] <crdlb> by being weird?
[08:56] <yoasif> crdlb: i'm used to linux apps not really following any kind of standards; everything is weird
[08:56] <topyli> yoasif: by being a selfish isolated application that isn't aware of what i'm doing
[08:56] <crdlb> yoasif: gnome doesn't have that problem :)
[08:56] <topyli> yoasif: that's why i use gnome apps
[08:56] <yoasif> crdlb: at least firefox is weird in a way that i'm familiar with
[08:56] <crdlb> nor does kde, I assume
[08:57] <topyli> i would guess kde is pretty coherent too, yes
[08:57] <yoasif> topyli: crdlb : if i wanted to use a walled garden, i would have stuck with mac os x
[08:58] <topyli> yoasif: anyway, please don't talk about "firefox" and "linux apps" in the same sentence. firefox is not a linux app by any stretch
[08:58] <crdlb> yoasif: you know perfectly well that that is a false comparison :)
[08:58] <faileas> lol
[08:58] <topyli> it's primarily designed with windows users in mind. this explains the strange UI design and the feature creep
[08:58] <yoasif> topyli: uh, it runs on linux, it's a linux app
[08:59] <faileas> topyli: actually, the three main OSes it runs on have different UIs
[08:59] <unitedpotsmokers> at last, i upgrade from intrepid to jaunty successfully...YAHOO
[08:59] <topyli> faileas: they do? i haven't seen any trace of gnome design in firefox
[08:59] <crdlb> it's the same UI with different backends
[08:59] <yoasif> and it's less about firefox and more about the multitude of different interface libraries and nonconformance to standards
[08:59] <faileas> topyli: on the other hand, they don't follow the gnome UI thing
[09:00] <yoasif> which i am fine with
[09:00] <topyli> faileas: of course they don't. that would break on windows
[09:00] <faileas> not to mention, firefox is very skinnable, someone just needs to add a gnome ui spi
[09:00] <faileas> xpi even
[09:00] <topyli> faileas: eh?
[09:01] <yoasif> faileas: canonical installs one... ubufox
[09:01] <crdlb> mozilla has already done that to the best of their ability
[09:01] <topyli> faileas: it *looks* just fine on gnome by default. it uses the icons and the gtk theme no problem
[09:01] <yoasif> it tries to be a bit nicer on gnome
[09:01] <crdlb> firefox 3 does a _much_ better job of faking gtk+ than firefox 2 did
[09:02] <unitedpotsmokers> but some people said, fairefox 2 is faster than firefox 3...
[09:02] <atari> hm
[09:02] <crdlb> if you want a fast firefox, run the win32 version in wine
[09:03] <yoasif> crdlb: i would if it used pango fonts, heh
[09:03] <unitedpotsmokers> i used firefox 3 before (in windows), and it take much time to load..
[09:03] <yoasif> or anything that looked semi reasonable to load
[09:03] <unitedpotsmokers> but i'm happy firefox 3 in ubuntu
[09:03] <yoasif> to look it*
[09:07] <drbobb> I have found a stopgap workaround for my troubles with broken SIS vga support in Jaunty's Xorg: I load the kernel sisfb (framebuffer) driver at boot, and use Xorg's fbdev driver instead of the (broken) sis driver
[09:13] <racecar56> sorry, my internet got knocked due to upgrade
[09:26] <virtuelv> Anyone lose their desktop effects overnight?
[09:29] <MikeH> Hi all
[09:29] <ghindo> Hey there
[09:29] <MikeH> Since upgrading to jaunty, I seem to have lost sound - I now jjust get very "fine" crackling instead.
[09:29] <racecar56> works for me
[09:29] <racecar56> and i just upgraded
[09:29] <MikeH> Pulse, Alsa and OSS were all working independantly before.
[09:33] <jamieleshaw> Hello is it possible to order 64bit versions of ubuntu throuigh shipit?
[09:33] <racecar56> yeah
[09:33] <racecar56> from when i remember
[09:33] <racecar56> i look again..
[09:33] <jamieleshaw> cause when i did it just then i could not figure out how.
[09:34] <racecar56> hmmm
[09:34] <racecar56> i just tried again and you ARE right...
[09:34] <racecar56> back in Nov 2008 there was
[09:35] <jamieleshaw> wil you beable to later on in jauntys life?
[09:35] <racecar56> i don't know... probably
[09:35] <racecar56> tomorrow it will come, im using rc right now
[09:36] <MikeH> hrm odd, alsamixer shows that it seems to have 0'd my Master Volume during the upgrade
[09:36] <MikeH> the cracking seems like an odd behaviour for something so simple
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[09:38] <minimec> for a command listing.
[09:45] <racecar56> xvidcap crashes with "xtoffmpeg.c add_video_stream(): video codec not found", i knew this was fixed by installing libavcodec-unstripped-51 on intrepid but im using jaunty rc and it dosen't even let me install it
[09:45] <popey> racecar56: i get the same issue, will look at it today
[09:48] <wgrant> racecar56: Try libavcodec-unstripped-52
[09:48] <racecar56> wgrant, omg it worx :D
[09:49] <racecar56> wgrant, even better than intrepid
[09:49] <racecar56> i gotta go, bye, thanks alot wgrant
[09:49] <wgrant> racecar56: np
[09:49] <racecar56> :>
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> am I right in thinking there is going to be a massive pack of updates on release day if I have beta installed and fully updated to 5 mins ago?
[09:51] <wgrant> ActionParsnip: you might be looking at one update. Perhaps two.
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> groovy
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> just curious
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> work is dead and my mind is wandering
[09:52] <wgrant> But we're now really, really frozen.
[09:52] <wgrant> Only utterly critical changes are going to get in now.
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> didnt even have to reboot any VMs
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> wgrant: gotcha
[09:54] <ziroday> ActionParsnip: if you want to beat the release day rush, download the rc the night before and then rsync it after its released
[09:54] <ziroday> ActionParsnip: but normally the torrents are great on release day, if you can get on one
[09:54] <wgrant> Or rsync the daily.
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> ziroday: i got beta on the day of release and its been flawless and i'm fully upto date now
[09:54] <wgrant> Or torrent the RC and rsync the daily, then rsync or torrent the few megabytes delta to final.
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> just wondered if the jump to final would be a huge one. I'm anticipating a kernel release to change grub so it doesnt say "testing"
[09:55] <ziroday> wgrant: I just like watching my connection peak on release day
[09:56] <ziroday> wgrant: through torrents
[09:56] <wgrant> ActionParsnip: That was changed almost a week ago.
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> and i'm expecting a boatload of people asking "my grub still says testing, am i still using beta? How can I gt final?"
[09:56] <wgrant> ActionParsnip: Have you not upgraded since then?
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> wgrant: upgraded just now
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> let me chack
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> wgrant: tbh i havent rebooted in a good while
[09:57] <wgrant> ActionParsnip: Check /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> title           Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.28-11-generic
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> wgrant: i know ;)  looks like its changed
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> wgrant: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep title
[10:08] <Pitel> party tomorrow? ;)
[10:11] <Haggis-AAO> Pitel, i will party when UXA is stable on Intel graphics chipsets ;)
[10:14] <Barridus> alsa-only sound doesn't work for me (had to disable pulseaudio due to crackling sound)  alsa works everywhere else.  anyone have any ideas?
[10:14] <Barridus> argh.  meant to say alsa-only sound does not work in pidgin.
[10:25] <usergr> I installed kubuntu-desktop on my current ubuntu installation (9.04 RC) and the result is that I have no sound in both of them. I also want to add that before the kubuntu-desktop installation alsa in ubuntu worked like a charm
[10:25] <usergr> Any ideas?
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> usergr: have you tried a reboot?
[10:27] <szf> usergr: did you retain your present userid?
[10:28] <usergr> yes, the first 2 or 3 times I had sound on gnome (still no sound in kde) but wgen I installed and used the greek language the problem was existing in both environments even after a restart
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> usergr: ok then reboot, log in. then read through    dmesg | less
[10:30] <usergr> Also I hear a noise .....hhhhhhh all the time
[10:30] <usergr> Is  dmesg | less a command? ( I am not an experienced user and I need some extra help)
[10:31] <amon_> yes you enter it in a terminal
[10:31] <amon_> application accesoires terminal
[10:32] <usergr> Thank you I should apply it in kde or gnome?
[10:32] <amon_> wherever you want
[10:32] <cq> hello, what day should jaunty be out?
[10:32] <usergr> Ok I 'll try it now and I 'll inform you
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> cq: about 2 days now
[10:35] <cq> cool, thanks
[10:37] <usergr> amon_ , I run the command, now what to do?
[10:38] <amon_> usergr
[10:38] <amon_> i dont know what were you talking about before
[10:39] <usergr> I just run the command dmesg | less after rebooting
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> usergr: ok then use cursors to read through the system coming up
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> usergr: and services starting
[10:40] <amon_> what are you debugging usergr?
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> amon_: ubuntu had sound, install kubuntu-desktop and now no sound
[10:42] <usergr> I do not understand you, after applying the command I see sth like areport
[10:42] <amon_> ok, strange problem, i cant provide any further help
[10:42] <usergr> Anyway, Thanks for any advice
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> usergr: you could try: sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> or restart pulse or alsa
[10:44] <usergr> I 'll try it
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> !sounds
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> !soud
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> !sound
[10:44]  * ActionParsnip can type
[10:44] <usergr> nothing..
[10:44] <peace> maybe instead he is not on audio group
[10:45] <peace> kernel is the same
[10:45] <peace> so driver is the same
[10:45] <peace> so it has to work
[10:45] <peace> stop
[10:45] <amon_> usergr: did you use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop
[10:45] <usergr> yes
[10:45] <peace> group
[10:45] <peace> in the terminal
[10:46] <peace> usergr: type group
[10:46] <amon_> check in synaptic > file > history if it removed stuff related to sound when you installed kubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <usergr> group is no command
[10:47] <peace> groups
[10:50] <peace> usergr: groups . if you are not in audio groups please add your user on audio group
[10:50] <peace> usergr: missing an "s"
[10:50] <usergr> no stuff removed related to sound
[10:51] <amon_> i am also not in the ausio group, but my audio works
[10:51] <usergr> I am not in the audio group
[10:51] <usergr> how to add my user?
[10:53] <amon_> adduser user group
[10:53] <peace> amon_: here instead with kde if you are not in aduio group it had not worked
[10:53] <peace> like in debian...
[10:56] <peace> after that i think you have to reboot X
[10:58] <usergr> It says: (user name) is no group
[10:58] <usergr> so whats the name of the user?
[10:59] <peace> kdesudo kuser
[10:59] <peace> usergr: read up
[11:00] <peace> then add your user to audio group
[11:01] <usergr> Did it!
[11:01] <usergr> now how can I restart X?
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> usergr: reboot
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> jaunty has zap disabled by defauly
[11:02] <usergr> Ok , I 'll do it
[11:03] <Haggis-AAO> dontzap --disable will sort that ActionParsnip :P
[11:04] <usergr> Unfortunately its the same
[11:04] <usergr> a hhh........
[11:04] <usergr> noise
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> Haggis-AAO: yeah i know but ive just had a talk in #ubuntu about it and why its disabled
[11:05] <crash2k> huh didnt i switch node?
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> Haggis-AAO: its a different combo no involving sysrq (unless you use !zap)
[11:05] <Haggis-AAO>  #ubuntu is to noisy to follow such a discussion :)
[11:05] <usergr> How can I completely remove kubuntu-desktop ? It may work then
[11:06] <crash2k> parsnip are you in kubuntu or ubuntu? O,o
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> Haggis-AAO: thats why we use highlighting
[11:06] <Barridus> wow 2 days so soon
[11:06] <usergr> In synaptic as I know thos can't be done
[11:06] <usergr> this*
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> !puregnome
[11:06] <Haggis-AAO> :)
[11:06] <crash2k> wow ignored O,O
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> crash2k: give me chance
[11:06] <usergr> I ll do that
[11:07] <crash2k> ok :P
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> crash2k: i use kubuntu + lxde as I think the kde desktop is horrific
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> crash2k: but i live kde apps like amarok and ktorrent
[11:07] <crash2k> no i meant where you still in the kubuntu node xD
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> node?
[11:07] <crash2k> irc node...
[11:07] <crash2k> lol nvm
[11:07] <faileas> ActionParsnip: hmm, what do you use as a network management app?
[11:08]  * faileas is having trouble getting wireless on lxde on one box, with is keeping me on xfce
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> faileas: /etc/network/interfaces
[11:11] <faileas> ActionParsnip: erf. I'd rather avoid that, though i just need it to connect to a specific WPA/WPA2 wireless access point
[11:11] <Haggis-AAO> brb
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> faileas: its all i use, if its only connecting to a single point it will make the system boot faster too
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> faileas: especially if you use static ip
[11:12] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i don't
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> faileas: thats all i use personally, saves hdd space too as you dont need apps to configure your network
[11:15] <deany> this portable ubuntu is cool..
[11:16] <Haggis-AAO> what device you using it on deany ?
[11:16] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i'm unfamiliar with it, and i don't think it works with WPA/wireless right?
[11:17] <faileas> oh well
[11:18] <bartmon> Hi! I'm having problems enabling compiz. The part of the wrapper script /usr/bin/compiz-wrapper that is giving me grief is the running_under_whitelisted_driver() check. It should complete successfully but it fails. I've executed the commands manually and I don't see why the function fails... I use the OSS radeon driver since fglrx has dropped support for my card and this is definitely visiblie in the Xorg log. Can you offer some insight?
[11:18] <faileas> i'll give lxnm a shot. i can always reinstall networkmanager if things go badly
[11:19] <Haggis-AAO> faileas, wifiradar is quite nice to use ;)
[11:19] <faileas> Haggis-AAO: I used to use that, ages ago ;p
[11:20] <Haggis-AAO> it is much nicer now
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> faileas: sure it can
[11:20] <deany> http://www.howtoforge.com/running-ubuntu-on-windows-xp-with-portable-ubuntu
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> faileas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136
[11:20] <faileas> deany: its a varient of andlinux
[11:21] <faileas> ActionParsnip: thanks, i'll oive it a shot if lxnm is not to my liking
[11:21] <faileas> deany: it is nice though
[11:22] <Haggis-AAO> i ment what hardware device deany :P
[11:24] <Q_Continuum> Question on the Netbook-Remix; is there anything preventing it from running on more powerful machines?  (Any issues with larger than 10" screens?  other than it's layout is optimized for low-resolution)
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> Q_Continuum: i think its just the screen thing. Its just hardy with some minor tweaks
[11:27] <Q_Continuum> Yeah, the new interface or whatever.  Just figured I'd check and make sure nothing wonky like disabling features :-P
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> Q_Continuum: could try a vm/vbox to test it
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> xpud is worth keeping an eye on too :D
[11:28] <Q_Continuum> Eh, I figure I'll grab the final release and fire it up off a USB stick.
[11:28] <Q_Continuum> Since that's what it's designed to do :-D
[11:29] <deany> when installing smplayer and mplayer, when i run smplayer it says the mplayer used is obselete...its from the repos
[11:29] <deany> smplayer/mplayer works , apart from stopping the video when adjusting volume within application
[11:30] <IntangibleLiquid> my friend is using ati driver for his ubuntu. after some updates, whenever display is run xorg spikes up to 100% cpu and it hangs. any idea?
[11:31] <carl0s-> I've got a really weird problem. Epiphany keeps losing internet access. Known issue? All networking is working, but not Epiphany, almost as if I have a bad proxy set up, but I have no proxy. FF is fine.
[11:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi. When upgrading the system, if some package asks questions such as "there is a modified configuration file (which I didn't modify but that's another issue) do you want to replace it", it does not expand the terminal nor ask the user. So basically it looks like the upgrade is stuck. Is this a known bug?
[11:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Lasivian: are you using your old home directory?
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> Le-Chuck_ITA: no, you have modified a config file and the package contains a new one, you are offered if you want yours or the new one
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> Le-Chuck_ITA: if you view the differences you will see + and - signes, + means the line is added, minus means its deleted
[11:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ActionParsnip: at least read what I wrote :) Problem is the window is not expanded, so e.g. my mother would not have gotten out of it
[11:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> she would have rebooted the system to make the window disappear. And at that point... dpkg is broken!
[11:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you'll need dpkg --pending --configure
[11:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Not that I allow my mother to install upgrades, eh
[11:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sometimes children must be authoritative with parents
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> indeed
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> Le-Chuck_ITA: if you look at the file that is going to be changed you could create a copy in the same folder named  <filename>_old then let the updater have its fun
[11:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ActionParsnip: problem again is that the default behaviour is to just show an hanged progress bar
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> Le-Chuck_ITA: the updater borked did you say?
[11:43] <_bt> i dont think ActionParsnip is reading things properly here
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I must click on the arrow to expand the terminal... and I did that just because it was taking too much time. It should pop up something
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> let me sit properly and read
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or at least blink and open the terminal
[11:44]  * Le-Chuck_ITA feels like looking for a needle in a pile of bugs
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> No
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I will write to u-d-d
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's impossible to find such a bug if there is one.
[11:44] <topyli> hmmm whenever i've seen that dialog, there's a sane default action (keep/replace) and you can proceed by simply hitting enter
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> No... I will report the bug :)
[11:44] <topyli> if not, then it's a bug indeed
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> topyli: it's there indeed, but it's "inside" the terminal window that you can expand
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> do you remember dpkg frontends?
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> once upon a time ubuntu used the gtk one, now they are using the console one
[11:45] <topyli> Le-Chuck_ITA: okay then it's broken
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Seems like nobody noticed it.
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> let me try with ubuntu-devel
[11:48] <joaopinto> Le-Chuck_ITA, such prompts should automatically expand the console window...
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and also call for attention no?
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean blinking the window name in the window list
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> taskbar
[11:49] <joaopinto> expanding the window is already a call for attention :)
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> whatever
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> let me retry
[11:49]  * Le-Chuck_ITA downgrades
[11:50]  * Le-Chuck_ITA discovers that the history of system upgrades is not stored in synaptic's history.. grrr
[11:50] <joaopinto> Le-Chuck_ITA, I remember seeing some bugs related to window not being expanded when it should, but I guess those are fixed already, unless you found a new bug case
[11:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> joaopinto: I think so :) Do you know where can I find the names of the packages upgraded in the last upgrade?
[11:51] <usergr> amon_ I removed kubuntu-desktop and reinstalled ubuntu-desktop and now sound works ok in both environments
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> usergr: weird
[11:52] <joaopinto> Le-Chuck_ITA, you should be able to find it at /var/log/dpkg.log, but I believe there is another log specific for update-manager, but I am not sure
[11:52] <usergr> Strange things happen..
[11:52] <amon_> usergr: nice, maybe you should file a bug
[11:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> joaopinto: dpkg.log is fine, thanks
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> usergr: stranger things happen at sea
[11:53] <usergr> That's true
[11:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm
[11:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> now I need to list conffiles of a pakcage
[11:54] <usergr> Well guys, thanks again, wish you a great day
[11:54] <joaopinto> Le-Chuck_ITA, dpkg -L package | grep \/etc
[11:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> joaopinto: are ALL files in /etc marked as config?
[11:54] <joaopinto> Le-Chuck_ITA, yes
[11:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> great
[11:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> joaopinto: now the last thing... I tried sudo apt-get install readahead=1:0.20050517.0220-1ubuntu4
[11:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but it says that version is not found
[11:58] <joaopinto> Le-Chuck_ITA, isn't that a version from the old release ?
[11:58] <joaopinto> if it is, is not available on the current release repositories...
[11:59] <joaopinto> also, downgrading to a version from a previous release, may cause serious breakage
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> joaopinto: it's the version that was installed today before the upgrade
[11:59] <wgrant> Right, so it's no longer published.
[11:59] <wgrant> So you won't be able to see it in apt.
[11:59] <joaopinto> Le-Chuck_ITA, oh, you mean, a regular update ?
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes
[12:10] <the_dark_warrio> I have a notebook and a USB Keyboard. When I plug in the keyboard, it works fine, when I plug out, the notebooks keyboard doesn't work on the first time. I have to restart (Pressing power button) to make notebooks keyboard work. Any hints?
[12:11] <weltall> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-main-menu/+bug/345595 => anyone has an idea on how to fix this?
[12:13] <the_dark_warrio> weltall: are you using nvidea drivers?
[12:13] <weltall> yes
[12:13] <weltall> 185.19
[12:13] <weltall> installed on the live
[12:16] <the_dark_warrio> hmm
[12:16] <the_dark_warrio> I'm having some bugs with nvidea too
[12:16] <the_dark_warrio> with 2 displays
[12:17] <the_dark_warrio> openning synaptic there is a bug with that "fade" of the screen ..
[12:17] <weltall> dunno but this doesn't look like an nvidia issue
[12:17] <weltall> it's because DISPLAY isn't set correctly
[12:18] <weltall> could be no one uses dual screen without xinerama or twinview like things
[12:20] <weltall> opening a terminal from a terminal in the first screen by specifing correctly the display
[12:20] <weltall> allows you to open correctly things from that terminal directly
[12:20] <weltall> and it goes in the right window
[12:20] <weltall> *screen
[12:20] <the_dark_warrio> i see
[12:27] <deany> Wine is still locking up my pc (RSEIUB doesnt work) when using a file/folder browser, a wine one, not gnome one, unless I enable compiz
[12:33] <BigMoopies> Hello, I have an issue that (starts) with Intrepid, My NIC will just flash and never gets an IP# (DHCP?).  The network connection just keeps trying to connect.  I went and looked at Jaunty's RC's and ran it live.  It does the same thing.  This does NOT happen in Hardy (I am using hardy).  Is there a way to see what hardy has that Intrepid and so on messed up so I can update to Intrepid, Jaunty, and so on?
[12:35] <Salajadin> dhcp from router?
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> sup Salajadin
[12:36] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, I think DHCP is turned off with the router.
[12:37] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, It's actually setup switch like (I guess).  The modem is set to give us IP#'s
[12:37] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, It is a sat modem/router/blah blah.. HN7000S.  We are plugged in to the switches.  Not the switches,  and the internet in the "internet" port
[12:38] <Salajadin> then you hafta set ur machine to get dhcp from gateway?
[12:38] <Salajadin> oh okay
[12:38] <Salajadin> hmmmmm
[12:38] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, yeah like I said it started with Intrepid
[12:39] <Salajadin> the issue here is?
[12:39] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, I tried to manually give it 192.168.0.6 and use the gateway 192.168.0.1 (the modem), and it didn't work.
[12:39] <Salajadin> you cant get dhcp right
[12:40] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, How?  It twinkles around and never gets connected
[12:40] <Salajadin> hmmmm hold on my feet is itchy
[12:40] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, Wouldn't it be a 'driver' type screw up?
[12:41] <Salajadin> if it is a driver type screw up a reinstall and upgrade shud fix it
[12:41] <admin_masu3701> hello
[12:41] <Salajadin> hmmmm
[12:41] <Salajadin> but you said the issue is reccuring with every upgrade right?
[12:41] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, eh?  I ran the live CDs of Intrepid , installed Intrepid, and it was still messed up.  Then I ran LIVE Jaunty CD while ago, and issue  was still there.
[12:41] <BigMoopies> Yes, Hardy is fine
[12:41] <admin_masu3701> my cpu fan runs alot..that means hight cpu usage
[12:42] <admin_masu3701> how can i fix that problem
[12:42] <Salajadin> so that means it is not a driver issue or the one you are using is deprecated
[12:43] <jube> admin, use the command 'top' to see what is using the cpu so much
[12:44] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, duprecated? IE: no longer supported?
[12:44] <Salajadin> what does your /etc/network/interfaces say?
[12:44] <Salajadin> not that
[12:44] <Salajadin> i mean the driver but that wud be impossible
[12:45] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, in hardy? it says auto lo | iface lo inet loopback
[12:46] <Salajadin> hmmmm
[12:46] <admin_masu3701> iface lo inet loopback
[12:47] <jube> admin_masu3701, use the 'top' command to see what is using your cpu
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: have you disabled acpi?
[12:47] <Roland123> hi.. i upgraded to 9.04 a few minutes ago.. and after the upgrade my laptop's touchpad stopped working. how to fix that?
[12:47] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: no
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: ok, if the cpu is working overtime it can be that
[12:48] <Salajadin> Moopies, have you tried connecting your machine to other network?
[12:49] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, I tried connecting directly to the Modem.  It didn't work then
[12:49] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, It would still 'twinkle' about
[12:49] <BigMoopies> er.. well I guess, it just never worked then.
[12:49] <Salajadin> i mean to other dhcp networks? aside from your modem
[12:50] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, er? no?
[12:50] <Salajadin> but thaat wud be inconvenient to do
[12:50] <Salajadin> hmmmm
[12:50] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, To me .. it should work directly connected to the modem if it wasn't a driver or something error ?
[12:50] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: so how do i disable acpi?
[12:51] <Roland123> anyone having touchpad issues after upgrade?
[12:51] <Salajadin> yeah i agree
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: you dont wanna, it will most likely make it spinup. is your cpu overworked?
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=503895
[12:52] <jube> Moopies, what is in your /etc/network/interfaces file under the #primary network interface section?
[12:52] <Salajadin> enter dmesg
[12:53] <Salajadin> see if your ethernet card i called properly there
[12:53] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: top command shows 80 % firefox
[12:53] <admin_masu3701> and thats the hightest
[12:53] <BigMoopies> jube, in hardy? or are you talking about Intrepid/Jaunty
[12:53] <jube> in both... just to see if they are different
[12:53] <BigMoopies> jube, I can only see in hardy right now (as I can't connect in those others).
[12:53] <Salajadin> auto l0 shud be fine
[12:54] <jube> the line you quoted above is for the loopback interface... i think the more important part is below that
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: then kill firefox off
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: is the fan ok now?
[12:54] <admin_masu3701> how do i kill? you mean close it?
[12:54] <Hirato> hi, I updated my existing install to kubuntu jaunty, so far it's really been annoying me that ALSA doesn't seem to play very nice with phonon at all (using the xine backend), like for example, before the upgrade I could have amarok, firefox and a game using libsdl (the alsa build specifically), any tips on allowing that behaviour again? it's really not fun having to kill applications just because I want sound in another
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: yes close it
[12:54] <BigMoopies> jube, when I 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' , I only see "auto lo"
[12:55] <paul68> how is the support on the creative labs xfi cards under jaunty?
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: if it returns to normal then firefox is to blame
[12:55] <BigMoopies> then under that "iface lo inet loopback"
[12:55] <BigMoopies> and that's it
[12:55] <Salajadin> try dmesg, lspci and cat /proc/interrupts see if your NIC is properly called there and everything matches
[12:56] <jube> ok... maybe mine is setup differently then because it has more in there... i'll keep thinking
[12:56] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: it slow down
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: ok you have some choices
[12:56] <Salajadin> moopies and i have the same setup for /etc/network/interfaces
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: for a start: sudo apt-get --reinstall install firefox
[12:57] <Salajadin> maybe it is protocol issue
[12:57] <Salajadin> like pppoe
[12:57] <dstar> argh. Copying and pasting from an xterm isn't working properly under kde, even though I have Klipper set to sync the selection and clipboard. Anyone have a solution?
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: try this: mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_old
[12:57] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, in hardy "00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562V-2 10/100 Network Connection (rev 02)"
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: then relaunch firefox
[12:57] <Salajadin> hmmmm
[12:57] <Salajadin> i guess everythings in place
[12:58] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: reinstall first? or remove it first
[12:58] <Salajadin> lemme get this
[12:58] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, should I try "lspci" in the Intrepid/Jaunty CDs ?
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: just the command i gave you
[12:58] <BigMoopies> to see if it shows the same thing
[12:58] <Salajadin> u have modem connected to internet right?
[12:58] <Salajadin> so do i
[12:58] <BigMoopies> Yes.  The modem is a sat modem
[12:58] <BigMoopies> It takes care of DHCP
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: if its ok after that you have 2 choices, run with the new profile and recreate shortcust / saved passwords / whatever. oR you can copy the profile back and troubleshoot why its chewing your CPU so much
[12:59] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: the mv one of the reinstall one
[12:59] <BigMoopies> I can't turn DHCP , or any other settings off, at the Sat modme
[12:59] <Salajadin> i have wifi router with four ethernet ports that is connected to modem
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: the reinstall one first, then the move one
[12:59] <admin_masu3701> ok
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: thats why i told you them in that order
[12:59] <Salajadin> it acts as a switch right
[12:59] <admin_masu3701> ok
[12:59] <Salajadin> am i right?
[12:59] <Hirato> anotehr thing that'd been annoying me is that 1280x1024 is forced on me at every boot, despite the nvidia driver reporting that 1920x1440 is possible (and as such, me setting it through there), any ideas on how I could get (k)ubuntu to acknowledge the correct ability of my monitor, since I can no longer do it via sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:59] <BigMoopies> Yes, everything is plugged directly in to the switches
[12:59] <Salajadin> okay
[13:00] <Salajadin> my modem was 192.168.0.1
[13:00] <BigMoopies> If I tried to turn DHCP on at the router, and plugged it in to the Internet port, it slows everything down and I get ping time outs everywhere
[13:00] <BigMoopies> That's correct, so is mine
[13:00] <Salajadin> and when i bought my router it has same default ip as my modem
[13:00] <BigMoopies> and we all get 192.168.0.2 and above
[13:00] <Salajadin> so i get issues
[13:00] <paul68> how is the support on the creative labs xfi cards under jaunty?
[13:00] <Salajadin> i cant connect it all together
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> paul68: creative have problems supporting windows
[13:01] <Salajadin> so what i did was i changed the ip address of my router
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> paul68: i'd check the HCL
[13:01] <Salajadin> i changed it to 10.0.0.1
[13:01] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, my router IP address is 192.168.0.254
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> paul68: or pretend you have installed Jaunty and look for guides about it
[13:01] <Salajadin> woah
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> paul68: i can't say myself as I avoid creative like Paris Hilton
[13:01] <Salajadin> is that legal?
[13:01] <Salajadin> try changing your ip to 10.0.0.1
[13:02] <BigMoopies> Local DHCP is turned off at the router.
[13:02] <Salajadin> lets makeit a different subnet
[13:02] <Salajadin> no you must set it to dhcp
[13:02] <BigMoopies> why?  I would be having two "networks"
[13:02] <Salajadin> no no no
[13:02] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: it uses less % cpu
[13:02] <Salajadin> basically 192.168.0.1
[13:03] <paul68> ActionParsnip: I will upgrade to jaunty when its comming out and was hoping that there might be a better support on these cards. I bought this card when I was still a windows, I changed shortly after to linux
[13:03] <Salajadin> will be the gateway
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: ok great and the fan is spinning slower?
[13:03] <BigMoopies> How no no no? The modem does DHCP for us
[13:03] <admin_masu3701> yes
[13:03] <BigMoopies> yes.
[13:03] <Salajadin> then your internal networkwill ve 10.0.0.1
[13:03] <Salajadin> how do you configure your router?
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: ok you now have 2 choices: you can rebuild a new profile with favourites and passwords and themes and all that fluff
[13:03] <Salajadin> do you get a web gui?
[13:04] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, I don't see how this has to do with the issue.  I have ran Intrepid on my other computers just fine.
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: OR you can rename back your original profile (notice we used mv and not rm) and troubleshoot that
[13:04] <Salajadin> how many machines?
[13:04] <BigMoopies> The old P2 450MHz takes the "tulip" driver.
[13:04] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: what do you mean profile?
[13:04] <BigMoopies> but it works perfectly
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: and you'll be basically pulling your plugins out of it and themes until it works
[13:04] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, 3 machines, and the modem (all switches full)
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: the settings that you have for firefox are stored in ~/.mozilla
[13:05] <Salajadin> what is the ip address of that and os of the machines
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: they involve how it looks, your bookmarks, cache, passwords etc
[13:05] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: oh yea..cause i dont have my bookmarks no more
[13:05] <magcius> Okay, so I forked notify-osd, and now it's showing the full image size!
[13:05] <BigMoopies> 192.168.0.1 is the modem, then whatever the other machines get.  The router is 192.168.0.254
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: by renaming the profile, you forced mozilla to give you a default one which has made it work, so now we KNOW that the program is fine, its your SETTINGS that are breaking it
[13:05] <Salajadin> you don't have white lists right?
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: so you gotta choose, rebuild or rename back and fix
[13:06] <BigMoopies> Salajadin,  the other machines are like 192.168.0.2, 3, 4
[13:06] <Salajadin> yeah
[13:06] <paul68> admin_masu3701: for remembering your bookmarks in firefox you could use foxmarks which stores your bookmarks online
[13:07] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: ok..what what would be the best option at this time
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> paul68: or just add the .html to your nightly backup ;)
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: there is no best
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: both are viable options, you must choose
[13:07] <paul68> ActionParsnip: thats a new one for me where do I find that
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: rebuilding will give a cleaner profile but you will have to reteach firefox your passwords and bookmarks
[13:08] <Salajadin> this weird
[13:08] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-502058.html
[13:08] <Kartagis> hello
[13:08] <mikechelen> how can flash be set to use pulseaudio?
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: if you rename back yu will have all your old stuff but you may spend ages hauling plugins and skins out of it to make it run well
[13:08] <holdenss> why isn't jaunty not released?
[13:08] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, Perhaps I should try to put the Intel driver on a disk and try to install it ?
[13:08] <Salajadin> it would be easier to have router give out dhcp
[13:08] <Kartagis> where is jaunty changes file located?
[13:09] <paul68> holdenss: because its still in beta
[13:09] <holdenss> 1 day to go?
[13:09] <Kartagis> holdenss, ir's due tomorrow
[13:09] <paul68> holdenss: will be released tomorrow
[13:09] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: so rebuilding is the option
[13:09] <Kartagis> it*
[13:09] <paul68> holdenss: correct
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> paul68: let me find thepath for you
[13:09] <Salajadin> big moopies go to firefox and type 192.168.0.254
[13:09] <paul68> ActionParsnip: thanks
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: if thats the way you wanna go thats fine
[13:09] <holdenss> isn't that ip 192.168.0.254 for lacie nas?
[13:10] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: i dont care too much about the passwords and themes...
[13:10] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, I'm at the router now
[13:10] <admin_masu3701> getting the bookmark would be great
[13:10] <Salajadin> ok have you ever been there?
[13:10] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, yes
[13:10] <Salajadin> okay
[13:10] <Salajadin> hmmmmm
[13:10] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, I had to set it up , make a firmware upgrade, etc
[13:11] <BigMoopies> Salajadin, I think downloading that driver from the forums, is the way to try
[13:11] <Salajadin> okay let'stry that first
[13:11] <BigMoopies> yeah.  I guess I'll brb
[13:11] <BigMoopies> and try it in live CDs
[13:11] <Salajadin> if it wont work tryletting your router handle dhcp
[13:12] <BigMoopies> OK.
[13:12] <BigMoopies> strange that it magically works in Fedora, and hardy
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> paul68: :~/.mozilla/firefox/<somerubbish>.default/bookmarkups
[13:12] <BigMoopies> but Intrepid -> Jaunty it doesn't
[13:12] <admin_masu3701> ActionParsnip: so how do i store bookmarks online?
[13:13] <Salajadin> wow
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> paul68: i'd also grab: bookmarks.html from ~/.mozilla/firefox/<somerubbish>.default/
[13:13] <Salajadin> crazy
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> paul68: but if you backup the entire ~/.mozilla folder you can reinstate it anyplace
[13:13] <Salajadin> lol that was unpredictable
[13:13] <paul68> admin_masu3701: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/2410
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> admin_masu3701: no idea, ask paul68
[13:14] <paul68> ActionParsnip: ok thanks
[13:14] <BigMoopies> I would be able to access my desktop to install from Live CDs right ?
[13:14] <Salajadin> yep
[13:14] <BigMoopies> ok
[13:14] <BigMoopies> here goes
[13:14] <deany> !compiz
[13:15] <paul68> ActionParsnip: in your opinion is a fresh installation better then an upgrade? if you use the fresh install and you have a seperate home partition how does this effect the program files that can be found there?
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> paul68: depends how much you've played with your system. If you've had stuff off and on and big services installed then taken off then it'll feel like a new system. Otherwise an upgrade can keep your existing settings and be less heartache
[13:17] <Kartagis> where is jaunty changes file located?
[13:17] <joaopinto> paul68, program files are not stored on the home directory
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> paul68: i had to do a clean install of intrepid then upgrade to jaunty to get my video working as my CRT monitor wasnt returning modelines when asked
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: can be ;)
[13:18] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, not from regular packages :P
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: wine apps are by default ;)
[13:18] <paul68> ActionParsnip: in your homedrive you have for example ./eclipse to name one
[13:18] <s0u][ight> when does jj get released?
[13:18] <joaopinto> those are not real apps :P
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> hehe
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> paul68: yes, that is the config file for your user for that app
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> paul68: you can even give it to other users but permissions and ownerships will need to be set
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> s0u][ight: 2 days tops
[13:21] <s0u][ight> thanks
[13:21] <paul68> ActionParsnip: so I need to install all the apps again to make to config files work or am I wrong?
[13:22] <admin_masu3701> paul68: so now that i have xmark, will have to go on the site to view my bookmarks?
[13:22] <paul68> ActionParsnip: also what is the easiest way to install all the apps that I want in 1 shot is that feasable with a script so I just run the script for the next releases
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> !clone
[13:23] <virtuelv_> I suddenly lost hardware acceleration, desktop effects and functions such as "rotate display" sometime during the last day
[13:23] <virtuelv_> (Intel chipset)
[13:24] <virtuelv_> are there open bugs on this, or anyone who's seen similar
[13:24] <paul68> admin_masu3701: no you logon and you add your bookmarks like you used to, when you have more then 1 pc you install xmark on there to, you logon there aswell and each time you add a bookmark it will be syncronised on the server and later on on the first pc
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> virtuelv_: what happens if you switch back to metacity / kwin then execute   compiz --replace   in a terminal
[13:24] <paul68> ActionParsnip: ok thanks
[13:25] <admin_masu3701> paul: logon where?
[13:25] <virtuelv_> ActionParsnip: nevermind, see this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzIyMA
[13:25] <virtuelv_> I don't see how shipping with ugly regressions in the RC is feasible
[13:25] <paul68> admin_masu3701: you have in firefox under the tools menu the option xmarks where you can syncronise directly if you want
[13:26] <paul68> admin_masu3701: when you installed xmarks you had to create a username and logon right?
[13:27] <virtuelv> ActionParsnip: the driver is blacklisted
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> virtuelv: nice, useful info (good job i dont use intel vga)
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> virtuelv: and it is feasible as they are doing it now
[13:28] <virtuelv> ActionParsnip: Which sounds certifiably insane, given that almost *every* netbook in existence suffers from it
[13:29] <admin_masu3701> paul: so bookmark show in firefox and xmark site
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> virtuelv: well it sounds known so i'm sure it'll get sorted when intel sort it
[13:30] <virtuelv> ActionParsnip: Yes, and then what?  generally Canonical won't upgrade the driver between two releases, except for security patches
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> virtuelv: go make noise at canonical to release it as soon as possible, or watch the intel site for updates
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> personally i think intel should quit with the video chios and just make cpus
[13:32] <peace> why?
[13:32] <virtuelv> the intel-site alternative is not feasible for me, since I won't do out-of-band updates on my laptop
[13:32] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip: got my intel i815 fixed in 9.04
[13:32] <peace> intel chipset are good for  office
[13:32] <peace> and cheaper
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> peace: because ati and nvidia make them so much better, its like a plumber trying to fix your electric wiring
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> peace: just do 1 thing and do it really well
[13:33] <peace> bah
[13:33] <peace> the world doesn't do that
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> peace: can use an onboard nvidia chip for next to nothing
[13:33] <peace> like apple... ibm and company
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: awesome dude :D
[13:34] <thiebaude> i edited my xorg.conf file
[13:34] <thiebaude> added Option "DRI" "other"
[13:34] <paul68> admin_masu3701: just to be clear you install xmarks and then you had to restart firefox to finish installation  then when you launch firefox again its asking you for your credentials (username password). at this point its going to ask you what you want, and you make your selection.  when you are serving on the net with firefox and you want to create a new bookmark you just do it like you used to do. xmark will synchronise
[13:34] <peace> thiebaude:hey what did you add?
[13:34] <paul68> this info online and when you install firefox on a new pc you just install xmarks and you can download the previous stored bookmarks from the online server
[13:34] <thiebaude> Option "DRI"  "other"
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: you are leet dude, everyone is terrified of xorg.conf, trying to phase it out and stuff
[13:35] <thiebaude> and i have no performance problems at all, its just like old times
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: not so scary one you get to know it
[13:35] <peace> thiebaude: could you paste your  xorg?
[13:35] <thiebaude> i have been editing it for about 3 months
[13:35] <peace> thiebaude: i have intel 945gm
[13:35] <thiebaude> ok
[13:36] <peace> the new driver is very nice on 2D but with 3d sucks ...
[13:36] <peace> damned driver
[13:36] <thiebaude> what is the command
[13:36] <thiebaude> in the terminal
[13:36] <peace> !paste
[13:36] <thiebaude> im just going to post it
[13:36] <peace> thiebaude: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:36] <wirechief_>  thiebaude you can use pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf   too
[13:36] <thiebaude> ok
[13:36] <virtuelv> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Performance%20regressions%20on%20Intel%20graphics%20cards
[13:37] <virtuelv> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Performance%20regressions%20on%20Intel%20graphics%20cards
[13:37] <faileas> hmm
[13:38]  * faileas hadn't realised the x restart keycombo was disabled
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> !nozap
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> !zap
[13:38] <Tekno> !dontzap
[13:38] <thiebaude> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> thats it
[13:38] <thiebaude> ok
[13:38] <SupreamTacoBell> if I install Jaunty RC now, will I be able to get the differences of the RC and the final release by just updating packages ?
[13:38] <faileas> that seems odd
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> thanks Tekno
[13:38] <SupreamTacoBell> tomorrow or whatever
[13:38] <thiebaude> i never knew how to use pastebin
[13:38] <faileas> SupreamTacoBell: yes
[13:38] <faileas> assuming there's major changes ;)
[13:38] <SupreamTacoBell> faileas: So I wont be have to download the CD ISO again ?
[13:39] <fredrikw> no
[13:39] <faileas> SupreamTacoBell: no
[13:39] <SupreamTacoBell> faileas: just use apt-get update , blah blah.. install .. etc?
[13:39] <fredrikw> im looking forward to karmic koala already :)
[13:39] <SupreamTacoBell> OK
[13:39] <faileas> SupreamTacoBell: yes
[13:39]  * faileas did that with intrepid ;p
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> SupreamTacoBell: when you upgrade you will upgrade into final, seamlessly
[13:39] <thiebaude> the xorg.conf file is empty except in the options section of Device add "DRI"  "off"
[13:39] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip: so there's no real reason for me not to install the RC version I just downloaded a moment ago
[13:39] <wirechief_> thiebaude: well if you dont have pastebinit its a great tool easy to use (but needs to install it)
[13:40] <thiebaude> ok
[13:40] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip: right?
[13:40] <faileas> SupreamTacoBell: other than the usual craveats about pre-release software ;)
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> SupreamTacoBell: youcan if you want, if you have intrepid and are happy with it then theres no real reason to upgrade at all
[13:40] <peace> quote ActionParsnip
[13:40] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip: I am using 8.04
[13:40] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip: I wanted the new XFCE
[13:40] <thiebaude> installing pastebinit now
[13:40] <joaopinto> SupreamTacoBell, the answer to your initial question is yes
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> SupreamTacoBell: 8.04 is maintained for a while yet
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> oic
[13:41] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip: yeah but the new XFCE is prettier
[13:41] <SupreamTacoBell> and I like prett
[13:41] <SupreamTacoBell> y
[13:41] <peace> so you have your answer SupreamTacoBell
[13:41] <virtuelv> SupreamTacoBell: if you're using XFCE, you might also enjoy LXDE
[13:41] <faileas> lxde is awesome ;p
[13:41] <SupreamTacoBell> alright.  virtuelv: LXDE?
[13:42] <SupreamTacoBell> virtuelv: I just don't like "Bog me down so firefox can hardly run on a 1.8 GHz dual core system"
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> faileas: +1 for lxde
[13:42] <faileas> SupreamTacoBell: I have xubuntu jaunty running on my PIII 733 w `128 mb ram ;p
[13:42] <steveccc> apologies for those in #ubuntu who have just heard me ask this but are there any links to the new isos available so that automated downloads can be setup ahead of tomorrow?
[13:42] <SupreamTacoBell> faileas: I thought about installing it on my P2
[13:42] <virtuelv> SupreamTacoBell: then you'll enjoy LXDE far more
[13:42] <faileas> ActionParsnip: I might give it another short when i can be bothered to
[13:42] <thiebaude> where do i open pastebinit?
[13:43] <virtuelv> after having tried it, I'd classify XFCE as heavyweight
[13:43] <faileas> SupreamTacoBell: lxde is lighter than xfce
[13:43] <wirechief_> thiebaude:  just right click it and use open
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> virtuelv: could install flwm ;)
[13:43] <SupreamTacoBell> faileas: how would I install that ?
[13:43] <joaopinto> steveccc, this is the proper channel to talk about jaunty :P
[13:43] <virtuelv> SupreamTacoBell: sudo apt-get install lxde
[13:43] <SupreamTacoBell> virtuelv: how simple.
[13:43] <faileas> what virtuelv said
[13:43] <virtuelv> it'll draw in the necessary extensions itself
[13:44] <faileas> ;)
[13:44] <joaopinto> steveccc, no disadvantages, unless there was some critical bug on the RC installer, which I am not aware off
[13:44] <wirechief_> thiebaude: if you right clik on it there are options
[13:44] <virtuelv> the only caveat with LXDE is that some applications startup configuration needs to be modified
[13:44] <steveccc> joaopinto: are you on 9.04 now then?
[13:44] <wirechief_> http://pastebin.com/f21ef7b0a thats mine for testing stuff
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> SupreamTacoBell: http://www.dacostabalboa.com/es/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/lxde.png
[13:44] <SupreamTacoBell> virtuelv: and then I will be able to change the session at login to lxde as if I installed "ubuntu-desktop" for GNOME ?
[13:45] <faileas> SupreamTacoBell: yup
[13:45] <joaopinto> steveccc, at home, yes, right now at work, not :P
[13:45] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip: lookes like a lighter version of "KDE" ?
[13:45] <steveccc> joaopinto: is it a large improvement over 8.10 or just little improvements
[13:45] <virtuelv> SupreamTacoBell: yes
[13:46] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip/virtuelv does it make me want to rip my screen apart like KDE?
[13:46] <SupreamTacoBell> and shoot it.. curse voodoo on it
[13:46] <virtuelv> no
[13:46] <virtuelv> and the file manager is a good bit better than thunar
[13:46] <SupreamTacoBell> there's just something about KDE that made me want to tear the screen all apart
[13:47] <joaopinto> steveccc, I wouldn't call it a large improvement release, but there are some significant benefits, like performance
[13:47] <faileas> lol
[13:47] <faileas> 3 or 4?
[13:47] <SupreamTacoBell> virtuelv: can it view the 'network' ?
[13:47] <virtuelv> SupreamTacoBell: no, LXDE is super-simple
[13:47] <faileas> i loved 3. F needs more spit and polish
[13:47] <SupreamTacoBell> virtuelv: like Thunar can't
[13:47] <steveccc> joaopinto: performance in terms of gui speed or general disk / memory access etc
[13:47] <SupreamTacoBell> 3
[13:47] <virtuelv> SupreamTacoBell: unknown, because I've never tried, given that I just use sshfs for remote disks
[13:47] <SupreamTacoBell> I haven't tried 4
[13:47] <SandGorgon> SupreamTacoBell: try the skulpture theme and see if doesnt make things better -
[13:48] <thiebaude> Section "Device"
[13:48] <thiebaude> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[13:48] <thiebaude>         Option          "DRI" "off"
[13:48] <thiebaude> EndSection
[13:48] <thiebaude> Section "Monitor"
[13:48] <thiebaude> 	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
[13:48] <thiebaude> EndSection
[13:48] <thiebaude> Section "Screen"
[13:48] <thiebaude> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[13:48] <joaopinto> steveccc, general disk access, mostly because of the change to ext4
[13:48] <thiebaude> 	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
[13:48] <thiebaude> 	Device		"Configured Video Device"
[13:48] <thiebaude> sorry
[13:48] <SupreamTacoBell> virtuelv: I was having to use firefox and GNOME's nautulius or whatever
[13:48] <joaopinto> and the boot speed also, because it had some major optimizations
[13:48] <SupreamTacoBell> for smb://
[13:48] <steveccc> joaopinto: is ext4 default on installation or optional?
[13:48] <SupreamTacoBell> and so on
[13:48] <joaopinto> steveccc, optional
[13:49] <SandGorgon> thiebaude: i would suggest using pastebin for pasting a large piece of text
[13:49] <steveccc> joaopinto: see i want to use that but converting my data ext3 partition to it does worry me a little - may run with it only on the operating system partitions for a while and see how it goes
[13:49] <SupreamTacoBell> Anyway, right now I have hardy installed. and XP.  I guess I should back up everything from hardy, put it to the NTFS or external drives.. Give windows back all the data , then install Jaunty?
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> SupreamTacoBell: its gtk based
[13:50] <SupreamTacoBell> Or how would I go about that ?
[13:50] <joaopinto> steveccc, I did a backup/restore
[13:50] <karol^> anyone experienced slower 2d after switching to Intel UXA acceleration?
[13:50] <joaopinto> steveccc, my concerns with ext4 are not higher than the regular disk failure concerns, so either I have backups because I care about the data, or I don't ;)
[13:51] <steveccc> joaopinto: sorry yes i would do that too but i just meant long term reliability rather than loosing data on the upgrade
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> SupreamTacoBell: when you reinstall set the home folder on its own partition
[13:51] <joaopinto> steveccc, upgrading ext3 to ext4 does not provide the performance benefits from a new ext4 fs
[13:51] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip: Ok.
[13:51] <SupreamTacoBell> Speaking of that, do I want ext4?
[13:51] <SupreamTacoBell> When I go to install Jaunty
[13:51] <steveccc> joaopinto: i see your point and agree but i am just thinking that ext4 as it is new may have bugs where ext3 should be solid and all bugs ironed out by now - is that unfounded?
[13:51] <virtuelv> SupreamTacoBell: no
[13:52] <SupreamTacoBell> virtuelv: still crappy?
[13:52] <virtuelv> you do not want ext4 until applications have stopped misbehaving
[13:52] <SupreamTacoBell> amen
[13:52] <thiebaude> sudo pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:52] <steveccc> joaopinto: you mean you have to create ext4 from fresh to get the performance benefits ?
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: pastebinit doesnt need sudo for that as your user can read the file
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: you only need that if your user dioesnt have read access
[13:53] <joaopinto> steveccc, yes, upgrading is possible, but will keep some ext3 related settings , unlike a fresh ext4 fs creation
[13:53] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip: So I was correct though, I want to give everything back to the NTFS partition ?  Then resize it all back up, depending on what's free from the windows NTFS after giving it all back?
[13:54] <SupreamTacoBell> ActionParsnip: another thing, how would I save myself trouble from having to go and using 'fixmbr' in XP's CD ?
[13:54] <joaopinto> steveccc, well, if stability is your priority, yes, some problems were already identified and fixed with ext4 during Jaunty's development, and it's like to have rare bugs, just like ext3 had :P
[13:54] <SupreamTacoBell> after giving all the partitions back to NTFS
[13:54] <steveccc> joaopinto: i think i will install 9.04 on my os partitions then copy any data i want to keep temporarily over to that partition and then format and setup my new ext4 datab partition and then copy it over then.
[13:54] <thiebaude> http://pastebin.com/m59c56460
[13:54] <thiebaude> thats it
[13:55] <thiebaude> true wirechief
[13:55] <SandGorgon> have all the ext4 issues with KDE been resolved - the delayed allocation problem ?
[13:55] <joaopinto> there is nothing like a long time and large user base for stability :)
[13:55] <thiebaude> thanks everyone for helping me on that
[13:56] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, I don't know about abything specific to KDE, there were some general cases in which files would be truncated in the event of a system crash
[13:56] <SandGorgon> joaopinto, yup that's what ... are those fixed ?
[13:56] <steveccc> i just hope the sound issues are resolved - the update on my desktop - when audio moved over to pulse audio killed all audio - hoping this wil be resolved in 9.04
[13:57] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, I have read that there were some patches to work around those "problems" (since they could also be address at the application side), I think they are "fixed"
[13:59] <joaopinto> steveccc, you can always test with a liveCD ;)
[14:00] <steveccc> joaopinti: oh yes i will be :)
[14:02] <steveccc> joaopinto: do you use gnome or xfce
[14:02] <joaopinto> gnome
[14:03] <steveccc> i like the thought of xfce for speed but not really used it so may give it a try on live cd
[14:06] <joaopinto> I like xfce when the hw can't handle gnome :P
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/295536/comments/38
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> could someone check this and tell me if adding those two lines would be acceptable?
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> this apparmor+cups issue has been a show stopper for ages.
[14:10] <space_cadet> so whats the word on the release date?
[14:10] <eagles0513875> woot im excited guys jaunty comes out tomorrow
[14:10] <space_cadet> yay
[14:11] <space_cadet> now will my system upgrade me automatically
[14:11] <space_cadet> ?
[14:11] <eagles0513875> space_cadet: all you do is update like normal if there are any packages that need updates
[14:11] <wirechief_> eagles0513875:  all  users are excited but those handling problems here are going be really busy for the next week
[14:12] <space_cadet> actually, i'm thinking of just going for a clean install
[14:12] <eagles0513875> wirechief_: hell ill be helping if i could program
[14:12] <Dima> hey guys, who knows when is the launch time of 9.04?
[14:12] <eagles0513875> space_cadet: then use unetbootin to create a bootable usb and install it off of that if you can if not youll have ot use cd on older hardware that doesnt usb boot
[14:12] <Dima> it has to be today (but what time :()
[14:12] <wirechief_> eagles0513875: just pointing newbies to the community howto docs will be a big help
[14:12] <space_cadet> eagles0513875, that's what I do anyway
[14:12] <eagles0513875> wirechief_: been working on closing old bugs on launch pad as of late
[14:13] <eagles0513875> or new bugs that are from older releases like dapper and what not
[14:13] <eagles0513875> wirechief_: does that help at all or not really closing old bugs
[14:13] <wirechief_> eagles0513875: thats great... me too.. but closing old bugs doesnt help those that have not got all the fixes yet
[14:14] <eagles0513875> wirechief_: well i would help by fixing bugs thing is i dont have much programming experience
[14:14] <space_cadet> question:   is there support for 3 integrated speakers (laptop) yet?
[14:14] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, it helps if you verify that they are fixed
[14:14] <wirechief_> eagles0513875:  not to worry though, google is the best teacher
[14:14] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: how does one do that just install the program and try it out
[14:15] <eagles0513875> wirechief_: you have any recommended languages i should focus on
[14:15] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, if there is a good description on how to reproduce the bug, yes, installing and testing should be enough
[14:15] <wirechief_> eagles0513875: i would learn how scripts work first
[14:16] <eagles0513875> wirechief_: bash scripting you mean
[14:16] <space_cadet> scripting in general...  would be a plus
[14:16] <eagles0513875> if people would mentor me i would help out gladly
[14:16] <wirechief_> eagles0513875:  i started by just reading them and seeing how they work but best to learn from masters of them
[14:16] <joaopinto> python would also be nice :P
[14:16] <eagles0513875> ya
[14:17] <space_cadet> maybe even c
[14:17] <eagles0513875> i have dive into python that book in pdf once i finish my exams im gonna do it so i can get bug fixing
[14:17] <eagles0513875> c/c++ python are on my to learn list
[14:17] <joaopinto> c is a bit harder :P
[14:17] <eagles0513875> need to do my first 2 exams of lpi
[14:17] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: did java last yr so c/c++ im not finding that hard
[14:17] <wirechief_> eagles0513875: i used sidux for about 4 months and they have fantastic scripts but the best ive found are in kanotix
[14:17] <eagles0513875> syntax i need to get used to
[14:18]  * space_cadet remembers the days when batch scripts were the big thing (ms-dos)
[14:18] <joaopinto> C is not comparable to java, I am not talking about C++ :P
[14:18] <eagles0513875> wirechief_:  joaopinto hop in kubuntu-offtopic we taking this channel offtopic
[14:18] <jason_froebe> anyone else experiencing a memory leak with dolpin (kubunu 9.04) when viewing a folder that has video files?
[14:18] <wirechief_> good idea
[14:18] <jason_froebe> 32 bit
[14:19] <eagles0513875> jason_froebe: i experience something that slows it down badly when trying to access files on a windows machine with smbfs and im on 64bit kubuntu
[14:19] <eagles0513875> jason_froebe: i would recommend to file a bug and also try it out in konqueror see if you have the same issue
[14:20] <space_cadet> so if I install the RC today, and the release is tomarrow, ...
[14:20] <jason_froebe> eagles0513875 - I see the same on local disk as well as nfs & smbfs (cifs).  when looking at top, dolphin will take in excess of 1.8G of ram
[14:20] <jason_froebe> thanks - will do
[14:20] <eagles0513875> jason_froebe: havent seen that but i do notice its super sluggish compared to konqueror
[14:21] <space_cadet> are there any big changes between the RC and the (pending)release
[14:21] <eagles0513875> not that i know of i could be wrong
[14:21] <eagles0513875> im still on the beta lol
[14:21] <jason_froebe> was hoping it was just me ;-)
[14:21] <eagles0513875> just been updating it daily and every few hrs
[14:22] <joaopinto> space_cadet, you will get the updates tomorrow
[14:22] <space_cadet> cool
[14:23] <joaopinto> I mean, probably you will get those today, after installing, it is very unlikely that you get updates tomorrow, since most people will be partying :P
[14:23] <space_cadet> lol
[14:24] <space_cadet> grab the keg
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:42]  * genii hands BluesKaj a coffee
[14:43] <BluesKaj> hey genii , thx , and a good morning to you :)
[14:43] <genii> BluesKaj: Yer welcome, and good morning also
[14:45] <shashi> Is 9.04 gold now ? Can i download it from some where ?
[14:45] <Pitel> facepalm
[14:47] <space_cadet> hmm
[14:51] <space_cadet> see you guys on the jaunty side.
[14:51] <Roland123> how to get sound working? intel corporation 82801 ( ich7 family )
[14:52] <PartTimeJerk> I am running Jaunty 64 bit and am having trouble with my mouse (Logitech G5) will frequently stop working, I have tried another mouse (Razor Diamondback), and uplugging it and plugging it back in, but the only thing I've found to work is a full restart, please help
[14:57] <magcius> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/119372/notify-osd-better.png <--- my notify-osd fork
[15:00] <charlie-tca> !topic
[15:01] <charlie-tca> shashi: not yet. The release will be tomorrow
[15:04] <tadeu_> guys, any known problem about upgrading 8.10 to 9.04 ?
[15:04] <magcius> tadeu_, it all depends on your system configuration.
[15:07] <PartTimeJerk> I am running Jaunty 64 bit and am having trouble with my mouse (Logitech G5) will frequently stop working, I have tried another mouse (Razor Diamondback), and uplugging it and plugging it back in, but the only thing I've found to work is a full restart, please help
[15:07] <jtholmes> !please
[15:08] <tadeu_> magcius, well i have 8.10 in my laptop, with basic web development tools
[15:08] <tadeu_> postgre, php, apache
[15:08] <magcius> that should be fine for an upgrade
[15:08] <PartTimeJerk> my mistake....
[15:09] <Pici> !notes
[15:09] <Pici> tadeu_: The release notes are necessarily final, but they'll give you a good idea of what you can expect.
[15:10] <tadeu_> nice, thanks
[15:13] <Ventero> Hey there! Got a question: How can I get my panel to show up when I login? Since yesterday I have to start it manually with "gnome-panel" after logging in... :/
[15:14] <Anyoseyo> I'm trying to boot 9.04 onto an external hd
[15:17] <bercik> Hello!
[15:18] <bercik> Is there any unofficial repos sources.list for Jaunty?
[15:19] <bercik> Is there any unofficial repos sources.list for Jaunty?
[15:20] <joaopinto> bercik, you should use the update-manager for the upgrade, it takes care of the sources.list changes for you
[15:21] <bercik> joaopinto: i mean unofficial repos, non-free, private..
[15:29] <ShackJack> bercik: Not sure what you mean by "unofficial" but you can check off the "multiverse" in Software sources for that kind of software, and certain projects will post their PPA so you can have the cutting edge stuff - gnome-do, banshee for example...
[15:31] <bercik> ShackJack: i thnik multiverse is what i mean. My target is: have more avaible packages:)
[15:32] <ShackJack> bercik: Gotcha... you can add Medibuntu repos et al... but it mostly depends on what your needs are... the multiverse should suit most ppl and then the program-specific repos for programs you have a particular interest in staying up to date with...
[15:34] <bercik> ShackJack: There are not already built sources.lists similar to lists that could be added to previous versions?
[15:35] <ShackJack> Not that I know of, but it's pretty trivial to add desired sources to your current list...
[15:36] <bercik> thanks then:)
[15:36] <faileas> hmm
[15:36] <faileas> speaking of which
[15:36]  * faileas needs to see if there's a virtualbox PUEL repo for jaunty ;)
[15:39] <leohartx> is 9.04 out ?
[15:39] <bercik> Tomorrow
[15:39] <faileas> hmm
[15:39] <faileas> not yet
[15:39] <Morydd> what time/timezone does the new version usually go out?
[15:40] <leohartx> as i see now, it's 23rh in US
[15:40] <jtholmes> Morydd, believe it is UTC or UTC +-1
[15:41] <bercik> Guys, whats the command to build deb package from source?
[15:41] <Mint`> !topic
[15:41] <jtholmes> Morydd, the daily builds show -5 hours from what ever time is on the file
[15:41] <Mint`> !topic | leohartx
[15:41] <ubstub> Hello I'm using an nvidia geforce 6200 and I'm getting a lot of artifacts on the screen
[15:42] <leohartx> !topic
[15:42] <Morydd> I'm trying to decide if I should keep looking for it today, or if I'll need to wait till Friday. :)
[15:42] <ubstub> oh so I won't get support for jaunty?
[15:42] <Mint`> !jaunty | ubstub
[15:43] <jtholmes> Morydd, looking for the final release, today?
[15:44] <Daemonus> what nvidia card you guys recommend to run a 1920x1200 res with compiz? cheers
[15:44] <BluesKaj> ubstub , make sure you have the nvidia-glx-180 driver installed  for you card
[15:44] <Morydd> jtholmes: well, it'll be the 23rd _somewhere_ when it's still the 22nd here. (US CDT)
[15:44] <ubstub> BluesKaj, can I get that from synaptic?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:45] <ubstub> Thanks
[15:45] <jtholmes> Morydd, what time zone are you in  ie  UTC  -+
[15:45] <BluesKaj> np
[15:45] <ubstub> BluesKaj, yes it's installed
[15:45] <Morydd> +6 I think.
[15:46] <ubstub> BluesKaj, is there a way I can disable effects? Maybe that will help
[15:46] <Morydd> DST screws me up though Could be +5 right now.
[15:46] <leohartx> i'm waitting for final release to create a stable local repository
[15:46] <Morydd> oops -5
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Morydd: and, it will probably not release until late in the day
[15:47] <jtholmes> Morydd, well i dont think the release will be final much before you awake tomorrow
[15:47] <Morydd> okay. Thanks.
[15:47] <Morydd> Friday it is.
[15:47] <jtholmes> Morydd, what flavor ubuntu kubuntu
[15:47] <Morydd> kubuntu
[15:48] <_bt> the Krap choice
[15:48] <BluesKaj> ubstub , it might , i have the 7600GT and haven't seen many artifacts with effects enabled , altho I don't know how these 2 cards compare.
[15:48] <jtholmes> Morydd, why dont you down load what is there now it wont change much then update on fri and save a lot of time
[15:49] <ubstub> BluesKaj, how do I disable them? I don't see an option in nvidia x server settings
[15:49] <leohartx> i dont like kubuntu
[15:50] <Morydd> jtholmes: I have a history of having things fail in interesting and unique ways, so I prefer to wait till there's official support.
[15:50] <leohartx> kubuntu remind me about windows
[15:50] <faileas> leohartx: you do have two official windows managers, and one unofficial one
[15:50] <faileas> er... three
[15:50] <BluesKaj> ubstub, kmenu/applications/system/desktop effects
[15:50] <leohartx> no, just one
[15:50] <leohartx> gnome
[15:50] <doleyb> lol i dont like non-k ubuntu, because it reminds me of mac.
[15:50] <faileas> leohartx: wierdly enough, gnome's default, and xfce remind me of when i messed around with mac OS *
[15:51] <faileas> leohartx: xubuntu is also officially supported
[15:51] <ubstub> I'm on Gnome
[15:51] <BluesKaj> ubstub ,on kubuntu , dunno what it is on gnome
[15:51] <faileas> i'm on kubuntu on one box, and xfce on another
[15:51] <leohartx> yeah, gnome make linux unique
[15:51] <jtholmes> Morydd, good  4 u, hope all goes well
[15:52] <faileas> (ok, so i also dualboot XP and 2000 on those boxen. But thats cause almost all my non server boxen are dualboot ;p)
[15:52] <jtholmes> Morydd, btw we all have that particular problem of unique failures etc. :)
[15:52] <Morydd> jtholmes: if I had a dollar for every time I'd gone looking for answers and gotten "I have no idea how that would happen" I'd be moderately more wealthy. It's fun.
[15:53] <ubstub> ok got it. It seems to help. Thanks BluesKaj
[15:53] <faileas> Morydd: ever had a problem randomly dissappear? ;p
[15:53] <jtholmes> Morydd, same here
[15:53] <Morydd> frequently.
[15:53] <jtholmes> abundantly frequent
[15:53] <BluesKaj> ubstub, np, hope it does :)
[15:59] <Vissud> I'm trying to do an update-manager -d
[15:59] <Vissud> and when it does it's calculations, it says it has 153 packages to uninstall, and 1 toinstall, 103 total to d/l
[15:59] <Daisuke-Ido> are you already running jaunty beta?
[16:00] <Vissud> 103k to d/l
[16:00] <Vissud> no, I'm on ibext
[16:00] <Vissud> ibex
[16:00] <Daisuke-Ido> yeah, that doesn't sound right :(  anyone else have any ideas?
[16:00] <mvo> Vissud: could you make /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log available somewhere?
[16:00] <Vissud> oh, heh, never thought to look thee..one sec
[16:02] <Vissud> 2009-04-22 09:56:44,612 DEBUG Upgradable, but held- back:
[16:02] <Vissud> does that mean anything?
[16:02] <Vissud> and yeah,i can upload the file somewhere
[16:03] <Vissud> well, nm, lemme, just upload it
[16:04] <Roland123> how to get sound working after Jaunty upgrade? intel ICH7 family
[16:04] <bouma> can anyone tell me if im going to have problems with an intel x4500hd video
[16:04] <bouma> card in my laptop
[16:05] <askand> Is anyone in here able to freeze their computer eith the command "strace gedit" ?
[16:05] <Vissud> mvo: http://www.shanebrady.com/main.log.gz
[16:05] <bouma> am i better of sticking to 8.10, ... i am hoping for performance increase actually. but i would really like to hear from someone that has already tested it
[16:06] <Valen1> anybody know when the "offical" release *time* is?
[16:06] <Valen1> its meant to come out today
[16:06] <Mint`> !topic | Valen1
[16:07] <charlie-tca> !release
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Valen1: no
[16:07] <ribo> is there a reason why janunty doesn't have openssl 0.9.8k?
[16:07] <Valen1> thats all nice but it doesn't really answer the question
[16:07] <Mint`> soon Valen1
[16:08] <Vissud> hmm
[16:08] <Vissud> nothing stickes out of me at the logs
[16:08] <Valen1> I gathered, just got fed up with the state of my current system, was about to Dl the RC but saw the "offical" release is due
[16:09] <jbroome> Valen1: get the RC and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade after the release
[16:09] <SandGorgon> so is this going to be a Karmic discussion from tomorrow?
[16:09] <jbroome> SandGorgon: this chan usually closes for a week or so after the +1 is released
[16:09] <Vissud> mvo, any ideas?
[16:09] <Daisuke-Ido> Valen1: you're definitely best doing RC today since as always, servers will be pummelled at release
[16:09] <Pici> SandGorgon: No, the channel will be closed until Karmic begins developing.
 anybody know when the "offical" release *time* is?
[16:09] <charlie-tca> answer, no
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Seems very direct as an answer
[16:10] <Valen> from you yes, the !topic however wasn't paticularly helpfull
[16:11] <mvo> Vissud: it looks like there is a jaunty universe entry in your sources.list already
[16:11] <bouma> from what ive read the intel video issues wont be fixed until 9.10 ?? is this true :(
[16:11] <mvo> Vissud: its definitely a strange looking one
[16:11] <charlie-tca> You could grab the daily image, which will actually become the final
[16:11] <charlie-tca> !daily
[16:11] <Vissud> mvo, yeah, I think did something to get the latest nvidia driver
[16:11] <Vissud> i guess I can just rmove that and see what happenes
[16:11] <SandGorgon> how do I use rsync to update from RC iso ?
[16:12] <charlie-tca> bouma: I think that is as correct as known right now.
[16:12] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, rsync source target , where source=url to the final iso, target= your local rc iso filename
[16:12] <Valen> probably best to wait i spose
[16:12] <charlie-tca> It will not fixed in Jaunty final release, at least
[16:13] <bouma> charlie-tca: thats sad.. do you have intel hardware ? im trying to find out if i will be affected
[16:13] <bouma> charlie-tca: i mean intel video hardware
[16:13] <charlie-tca> I killed that machine
[16:14] <charlie-tca> SandGorgon: for the alternate cd: rsync -tzhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/20090420.1/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso .
[16:14] <macvr> Valen: by this time tomorrow jaunty will definately be released...
[16:14] <Daemonus> due at GMT+02:00
[16:14] <faileas> er?
[16:15] <mvo> Vissud: the apt.log file might have some more clues, but from what I can see now its a mixture between intrepid/jaunty. but its not doing a good job calculating the upgrade, some stuff like totem or python-xapaian ends up in the remove list
[16:15] <faileas> GMT+2 is a timezone...
[16:15] <SandGorgon> charlie-tca: I use the desktop ISO ... i suppose I just have to change the name of the iso
[16:15] <Daemonus> well yeah 12am gtm+2
[16:15] <Vissud> does Skype work better in jaunty? :)
[16:16] <charlie-tca> rsync -tzhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/jaunty-desktop-amd64.iso .
[16:16] <Vissud> bleh, did the same thing again
[16:16] <charlie-tca> change the amd64 to i386 if 32-bit
[16:16] <charlie-tca> SandGorgon: and don't forget the dot at the end
[16:16] <Valen> wonder if its worth going to 64bit on the desktop now
[16:16] <SandGorgon> charlie-tca, thanks
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Valen: depends on the amount of ram, since 32bit sees 3.2GB.
[16:17] <Valen> running 64bit on my server/tv
[16:17] <Valen> only got 2gb in the desktop
[16:17] <Valen> 6Gb in the server (hence the 64 bit)
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Probably be about the same then.
[16:18] <Valen> still seem to be be plenty of issues with flash and the like on the 64 bit platform
[16:18] <Valen> any better in 9.04?
[16:19] <piksi> i'm not having any particular issues with flash on 64bit, haven't had for a long time. only some minor glitches here and there
[16:19] <_g0tmi1k_> What time 2morra is 9.04 out?
[16:19] <Pici> _g0tmi1k_: When its done.
[16:20] <_g0tmi1k_> ... :(
[16:20] <Paavi2_0> might be 11.59pm
[16:20] <Paavi2_0> or might be 6am
[16:20] <_g0tmi1k_> so its still been updated...like...right now?
[16:21] <Vissud> bleh
[16:21] <Vissud> will not upgrade properly
[16:21] <Vissud> Valen, you need to use the 64 bit flash directly from Adobe
[16:21] <Paavi2_0> well, there are still some bugs on release candidate and they have to be solved first
[16:21] <Vissud> the nspluginwrapper is awful
[16:22] <Valen> oh i didn't know they had a native 64 bit flash
[16:22] <piksi> it's beta
[16:22] <Vissud> it's still alpha
[16:22] <Vissud> oh, beta now? cool
[16:22] <Valen> nspluginwrapper is really really crap lol
[16:22] <piksi> Valen: nah, you were right it's not even beta :->
[16:22] <Valen> I'll have to stick that on my tv computer
[16:22] <Daisuke-Ido> but it works pretty well
[16:22] <piksi> s/Valen/Vissud/
[16:23] <Daisuke-Ido> i haven't had any firefox crashes with it
[16:23] <Pici> Its actually technally a Release Candidate, but whatever.
[16:23] <Valen> at the moment i cant order pizza on the tv computer :-<
[16:23] <piksi> surprisingly it has worked pretty well compared to wrapped 32bit
[16:23] <MarcN> I did it a few days ago, but forgot the magic command to upgrade to Jaunty RC.
[16:23] <Valen> the pizza site kills flash
[16:23] <Daisuke-Ido> Pici: flash 10 64-bit?  it's still considered alpha according to adobe
[16:23] <Pici> Daisuke-Ido: Oh.
[16:24] <Vissud> even in alpha, it kicks nspluginwrapper's ass
[16:24] <Daisuke-Ido> but most importantly, it works :D
[16:24] <Valen> know any "how to"'s on the install that worked well?
[16:24] <Valen> just off hand
[16:24] <Halow> Ordering pizza from your TV...
[16:24] <Peace-> hi
[16:24] <Valen> i run mythbuntu on my "server"
[16:24] <Halow> Yeah, it just sounds so crazy. :)
[16:25] <Valen> the pizza place has some giant crappy flash based application thing to do the order with
[16:25] <Pici> Daisuke-Ido: I thought you meant Jaunty
[16:25] <Valen> worlds most pointless and irritating use of flash ever
[16:26] <Peace-> Valen: i don't use flash to see the video
[16:26] <Valen> its not a video, its an online ordering system
[16:28] <Valen> hmm given that I might try 64 bit for the desktop
[16:28] <MarcN> How do I upgrade to Jaunty/RC?  I did it on my other laptop, but do-release-upgrade -d nor update-manager -d
[16:28] <Peace-> !upgrade
[16:30] <bercik> Could some open ati driver user paste me a xorg.conf please?
[16:31] <noqq> ok, I like Ubuntu, but it's just not suitable for my netbook. How do I uninstall?
[16:31] <Peace-> noqq: have you tried eeebuntu?
[16:31] <jbroome> noqq: you don't really uninstall, you install something else on top of it
[16:31] <Peace-> noqq: that's is for eeepc
[16:31] <pwnguin> noqq: im assuming you tried the netbook packages in ubuntu?
[16:32] <faileas> noqq: are you dualbooting?
[16:32] <MarcN> Peace-: that will work in a few days, but to upgrade today to RC?
[16:32] <Valen> eeexubuntu is pretty nice
[16:32] <Valen> lightish
[16:33] <Valen> IF your after a really fast boot and your netbook has SSE3 support take a look at moblin
[16:33] <Valen> ~5 second boot
[16:34] <jbroome> MarcN: if you're keeping uptodate with apt-get update, you're running the same stuff the rc has
[16:34] <Peace-> MarcN: well i dunno because i am on xD kubuntu 9.04 from alpha4
[16:34] <Pici> !final
[16:35] <dt3k> when exactly will the update for 9.04 final become available?
[16:35] <Pici> When its done.
[16:35] <dt3k> Amazing answer
[16:35] <MarcN> Peace-: I've got intrepid and want to upgrade my 2nd laptop to Jaunty/RC.  More than just editing /etc/apt/sources.list.
[16:35] <BluesKaj> hmmm, I think the devs should be careful with advising the dist-upgrade command , it's broken some setups lately
[16:36] <jbroome> thanks Pici
[16:36] <macvr> bercik: did u upgrade from intrepid or hardy?
[16:36] <eper3z> hey dudes, how do i add jaunty to my grub list?
[16:36] <bercik> macvr: fresh install
[16:36] <BluesKaj> aptitude safe-upgrade is more recent and obviously meant to be safer
[16:36] <olejl> Is this the recommended approach if I want to install latest fglrx drivers https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Install%20from%20ati.com%20(latest%20version%20of%20drivers)?
[16:36] <jbroome> dt3k: that's the only correct answer right now
[16:37] <Ventero> How do I get my Gnome-panels to start up automatically when I login? :/
[16:37] <macvr> bercik: previous version u have used? xorg.conf is not used  now
[16:37] <bercik> macvr: i never used Ubuntu, Gentoo was before
[16:38] <olejl> eper3z: Try this: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[16:38] <bercik> macvr: what is used if not xorg.conf=
[16:38] <macvr> bercik: i'll just paste my xorg... whats the problm anyway?
[16:39] <olejl> eper3z: or maybe this is better: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[16:39] <bercik> macvr: i got very poor performance
[16:39] <SheeEttin> is there a known problem where (under KDE) after one tries to log in, it just leaves you at the log-in background?
[16:40] <SheeEttin> i.e. it never switches over to the user session?
[16:40] <macvr> bercik: http://paste.ubuntu.com/155984/ <<< fglrx aint yet supported for my laptop...
[16:41] <bercik> macvr: so whats Your video card? thanks for paste
[16:41] <macvr> bercik: mobility x1400 ... but even with this ati driver, everything works, compiz with full effects,
[16:43] <bercik> macvr: x1400 is brand new, not?
[16:43] <Pici> bercik: No, its a few years old.
[16:43] <bercik> Pici: thank
[16:43] <macvr> bercik: its i think about 2-3yrs old
[16:44] <thiebaude> hi Pici
[16:44] <bercik> macvr: You want to know my problem? Ati has just called my x30 legacy :P its unsupported so i cannot use fglrx with Xorg.16 lol
[16:44] <bercik> 1.6*
[16:45] <macvr> bercik: install 8.10, it has fglrx
[16:45] <bercik> macvr: but i want Jaunty lol
[16:45] <kungpowza> ati is the worst
[16:45] <noqq> Hey, I had a lagspike.. big one. I was asking about how to uninstall Ubuntu. To the people who asked me question; I have Dual Boot, I did not try the Netbook version.
[16:45] <macvr> bercik:  then u could do a upgrade
[16:45] <bercik> kungpowza: yes
[16:46] <pacejr> bercik: it's a bummer, right? and all the new -ati work isn't going to hit ubuntu until 9.10 or 10.4
[16:46] <bercik> macvr: using Linux is complicated. Old card= shit support
[16:46] <macvr> pacejr: 10.4!!!!!!!!
[16:47] <Ventero> Anyone got an idea about my panel-problem? :/
[16:47] <eper3z> ok, so i have gparted open but dont know how to add jaunty to grub list
[16:47] <noqq> !uninstall
[16:47] <charlie-tca> bercik: I still run a PII and PIII using Xubuntu
[16:48] <bercik> charlie-tca: couse its supported and works
[16:48] <charlie-tca> It is very old, though
[16:48] <bercik> I wanted to play some game using Wine but i cannot couse i have to use fglrx
[16:48] <charlie-tca> That's not linux, that is ATI's fault
[16:49] <bercik> i know. becouse will not support my card anymore
[16:49] <macvr> bercik: i think if u upgrade from an 8.10 install, to 9.04 u can use the fglrx... i not sure about this., but there is something int the last line of the know issues about this, it says do not select the new driver or something...
[16:49] <pacejr> macvr: i'm hoping it will be in place by 9.10. i think the mesa bits will be in place, but the kernel bits won't be going in until 2.6.31
[16:49] <charlie-tca> ubuntu is doing everything they can to try and support those old ati cards
[16:49] <pacejr> and 2.6.31 might not make it into karmic
[16:50] <miracle2k> If I want to run OpenVZ on jaunty, what is my best option? Is there a PPA for the kernel maybe?
[16:50] <macvr> pacejr: u are using ati too?
[16:52] <WNz> Hey everyone. Is Jaunty being released at midnight or later in the day?
[16:53] <jbroome> WNz: no  specific time.  it's released when it's released
[16:53] <WNz> ok
[16:53] <WNz> i'm excited about it :)
[16:53] <eper3z> how do i add jaunt to my grub list
[16:54] <faileas> eper3z: it should be automatic when you install i'd think
[16:54] <WNz> eper3z: It should automatically add it...
[16:54] <eper3z> it didnt
[16:54] <whattey> how did u upgrade? ;o
[16:54] <eper3z> i put in usb stick
[16:55] <eper3z> chose first partition option
[16:55] <mphill> miracle2k: i know there are debian repos that work
[16:55] <eper3z> it got installed on my secondary hd
[16:55] <noqq> Can someone help me with uninstalling Ubuntu?
[16:55] <thiebaude> whattey: update-manager -d
[16:55] <eper3z> seperate from my 8.10 install
[16:55] <thiebaude> and other ways
[16:55] <WNz> noqq: now why would you want to do that? :p
[16:55] <Valen> its kind of hard to "uninstall"
[16:55] <Trunkz> does anyone know if jaunty supports ps3vram as swap?
[16:55] <Trunkz> i.e. the ps3vram patch.
[16:56] <WNz> noqq: Easiest to just delete the partition or reformat it
[16:56] <Valen> its an operating system not an application
[16:56] <jbroome> noqq: like i said before you either need to reinstall or delete that partition
[16:56] <jbroome> and grow out the one for the other os
[16:56] <hifi> will a dvd boot if you burn a 700MB CD-R ISO into it?
[16:56] <noqq> WNz: Will that not make things corrupted, like files in the registry?
[16:56] <Trunkz> hifi: yes
[16:56] <eper3z> come on dude
[16:56] <eper3z> s
[16:56] <eper3z> help me
[16:56] <eper3z> :)
[16:56] <jbroome> hifi: yes, you just waste 3 GB of space
[16:56] <Trunkz> anyone?
[16:56] <thiebaude> hifi: if its burned correctly
[16:56] <WNz> noqq: what? You are thinking winblows
[16:56] <hifi> I'm actually wasting almost all of it
[16:56] <Trunkz> ps3vram working on 9.04?
[16:56] <noqq> jbroome: I told to you guys I had a lagspike, so I did not receive any messages
[16:56] <vvk-> what should be the best way to get tor (and only tor) running with Jaunty? https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian - no jaunty packages available.
[16:57] <hifi> thiebaude: a normal iso burn will work?
[16:57] <thiebaude> hifi: it should
[16:57] <hifi> I have never burned dvd's and I have a stack of them and don't want to waste good CD-R discs ;)
[16:57] <noqq> WNz: Iḿ having dual boot now, so do I reformat the partition in Windows?
[16:58] <jbroome> hifi: it'll work fine, just a waste of space
[16:58] <thiebaude> hifi: yea, i dont even burn cd's
[16:58] <macvr> eper3z: u actually have to set the BIOS to load the ext drive before the primary hard drive
[16:58] <whattey> dvdrw's <3
[16:58] <hifi> I'm just lazy to make a bootable usb stick to netinstall jaunty...
[16:58] <hifi> mini.iso o/
[16:59] <macvr> eper3z: grub is not involved... grub only lists the OS in that particular drive
[16:59] <Trunkz> eh
[16:59] <Trunkz> anyways
[16:59] <WNz> noqq: never ever ever mess with partitions in winblows
[16:59] <WNz> that's a bad situation waiting to happen
[16:59] <Trunkz> Does anyone here know if ps3vram is supported in 9.04? :)
[16:59] <Trunkz> So I can go ahead and install jaunty
[16:59] <noqq> WNz: Then how do I reformat the partition? Just GParted in in Ubuntu?
[16:59] <WNz> noqq: pop in a ubuntu livecd and use the partition editor
[16:59] <WNz> yes
[17:00] <WNz> what is your goal?
[17:00] <noqq> WNz: I don got a livecd, however, I do got usb with 9.04 on it, that I can run live,. is it the same?
[17:00] <jbroome> Trunkz: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-cell/2009-March/000346.html seems to indicate yes
[17:00] <Trunkz> awesome :)
[17:01] <macvr> noqq: usb will work, the same way as live cd too
[17:01] <WNz> noqq: will accomplish the same task
[17:01] <WNz> noqq: but what are you trying to achieve?
[17:02] <jbroome> Trunkz: found that on google.. i actually had no idea what ps3vram was.
[17:02] <noqq> WNz: Well, I don want to disrepect Ubuntu, it's just not really working smooth at a netbook.
[17:02] <noqq> WNz: On PC though, it's a great piece of art.
[17:02] <ghabit> Hello. Will be ubuntu-9.04-rc changed or just renamed as release?
[17:03] <Trunkz> jbroome: i'm a google noob
[17:03] <Trunkz> mucho appreciated
[17:03] <Peace-> hey guys i have solved be troubles with intel and kubuntu 9.04
[17:03] <Trunkz> Now I dont know whether or not to get the RC
[17:03] <Trunkz> or wait till tomorow and get the actual release xD
[17:03] <Peace-> now i got the old dirver and it works fine
[17:03] <WNz> noqq: ah. get the ubuntu netbook remix
[17:03] <Trunkz> I only have one DVD.. which is a pain
[17:03] <jbroome> Trunkz: i used ps3vram jaunty as my search term
[17:03] <WNz> noqq: it's specifically designed to take advantage of netbooks
[17:03] <Trunkz> Is it still possible to do a net install?
[17:04] <noqq> WNz: I dont understand how to recieve it. I did update-manger -d.
[17:05] <danbhfive> !unr
[17:05] <thiebaude> noqq: update manager should come up
[17:05] <noqq> thiebaude: ye, and I checked for updates, 78 came up and I all installed them.
[17:06] <AlexFera> Why do i hear, sometime, static when someone logins in pidgin? i use ubuntu 9.04
[17:06] <macvr> noqq:  did u install ubuntu or the net boot remix?
[17:06] <macvr> book^
[17:06] <WNz> AlexFera: alsa or oss?
[17:06] <noqq> macvr: Ubuntu, because I couldn get the .img writing part done
[17:06] <jbroome> !u
[17:06] <AlexFera> alsa
[17:07] <WNz> noqq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[17:07] <macvr> noqq: ubuntu neds higher system specs than netbook remix.. so hence it is bound to be slower, u should use UNR that is optimized for netbooks
[17:09] <Trunkz> Does ubuntu still support net installs? (using one dvd, and fetching the 'packages' from a mirror)
[17:09] <Trunkz> I remember doing this back in the 6.xx days
[17:09] <Halow> Trunkz: You'll want to find the minimal CD.
[17:10] <Halow> !minimal
[17:10] <Trunkz> wohoooo xD
[17:10] <Trunkz> according to that site
[17:10] <Trunkz> the only one for the PS3 (Cell?) is 7.10
[17:11] <Trunkz> would that not be able to get the newer releases anyways?
[17:12] <Halow> It might be using 7.10's repos... Hm. I haven't used it in a while, and on a regular desktop that was being a real pain to install on, even with the alternate CD.
[17:12] <jbroome> yeah if you have the DVD you've got all the packages there.
[17:12] <Trunkz> hmm.
[17:12] <jbroome> Trunkz: the ps3 jaunty RC is out there, i saw it earlier in the week
[17:12] <Trunkz> ya I know its out
[17:12] <Trunkz> :P
[17:12] <Trunkz> But I only have one DVD.
[17:12] <WNz> well ok i'm done here
[17:12] <WNz> bye guy
[17:12] <WNz> guys*
[17:14] <Vissud> bleh, even the cdrom doesn't seem to work for me
[17:15] <Vissud> guess I'm going to have to just do a clean install *sigh*
[17:16] <yoritomo> hello all
[17:17] <yoritomo> when the final jaunty will be relaeased, what would i need to do from my beta version? just a normal update ? or need to make a version update like i did from 8.10 to 9.04 beta ?
[17:17] <jbroome> !final
[17:18] <thalias09> A question to the development process of Jaunty: The code of Jaunty is "frozen" until the release - tomorrow - , right? So, do the devs take patches for Jaunty after the release even if the patches are not security - or similar important - patches?
[17:19] <danbhfive> thalias09: its a judgement call.  Just file a bug report, and file against karma and jaunty-backports, and see what happens
[17:22] <AlabamaHit> what time zone is ubuntu on? I'm so excited on th new realse :) just wondering what time zone so i know when it would be relased.
[17:22] <thalias09> GMT+666
[17:23] <nemo> heh
[17:23] <rconan> AlabamaHit: it isn't done at any specific time... releases are made when they are ready. be patient
[17:23] <SuPeRhAm> 8.10 was few days overdue last time ;)
[17:24] <bercik> Somebody of You tried "ati" driver with games on WIne?
[17:25] <noqq> How to get ubuntu netbook remix when I already got 9.04 installed on my nettbook?
[17:27] <Vissud> does this mean anything to anyone:  guessing 'ubuntu-desktop' as missing meta-pkg
[17:27] <Vissud> even though it's installed?
[17:27] <jbroome> noqq: the ubuntu-netbook-remix package might do what you're looking for
[17:29] <thalias09> The flavors of Ubuntu have meta-packages with similar names - for example Ubuntu is "ubuntu-desktop" - . Installing in the debootstrap chroot the meta-package "ubuntu-desktop" gives you what is on the Live CD
[17:30] <thalias09> noqq, So with the above : Installing in the debootstrap chroot the "ubuntu-netbook-remix" meta-package gives you this flavor of Ubuntu
[17:30] <Andy80> I was trying to test Jaunty on my Asus EeePC 901, but it doesn't work :( I've tried two versions: the NBR and normal desktop edition. With the .img of NBR I wasn't able to create a working SD card (I tried using ImageWriter and dd ), every time I get errors. I'm able to create a bootable SD with Desktop .iso and "USB Startup Disk Creator", but after 4-5 seconds, while is booting, I got prompted in a busybox shell....
[17:30] <Andy80> any idea?
[17:31] <pwnguin> thalias09: except, you really need openGL for the clutter UI
[17:31] <thalias09> pwnguin, ???
[17:31] <pwnguin> the netbook remix
[17:31] <pwnguin> uses netbook-launcher
[17:32] <pwnguin> which uses clutter
[17:32] <pwnguin> which uses opengl
[17:32] <pwnguin> i think you can work out a three level implication
[17:32] <thalias09> Jo, man , I can check the three level deal
[17:33] <Alexia_Death> flash sound is gone again:(
[17:36] <CrocoJet> is possible enable and disable open-ssh via "gnome-session-properties" ?
[17:37] <steveire> Hi. Does anyone know about the netbook remix? Apart from different interface, what is different in it?
[17:37] <deany> how do you stop thiumbnails being cached?  i have previews all off in nautilus, but viewing images in eye of gnome uses .thumbnails to store them
[17:37] <Yellow_Fuzzy> steveire: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[17:37] <jbroome> steveire: http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/unr
[17:38] <darkvertex> is it out yet?
[17:39] <Ventero> Anybody knows how I can get my Gnome panel to automatically start when I log in?
[17:41] <jtholmes> darkvertex, do you mean the final release?
[17:41] <darkvertex> jtholmes: yes.
[17:42] <jtholmes> darkvertex, supposedly tomorrow sometime the RC that is there now is going to be very very close
[17:43] <bercik> Guys, what sould glxinfo say about vendor if i use "ati" drivers?
[17:43] <darkvertex> jtholmes: that's great, thanks. can;t wait to try :)
[17:45] <jtholmes> darkvertex, have fun come back here w/problems
[17:46] <danbhfive> will the jaunty UNR image wipe your harddrive?  or is that warning only for Hardy?
[17:48] <jtholmes> danbhfive, i might be able to answer your question if i knew what UNR was
[17:49] <danbhfive> jtholmes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR#The%20Easy%20(recommended)%20way
[17:49] <DG190751> UNR=Ubuntu Netbook Remix
[17:50] <steveire> Yellow_Fuzzy: jbroome: Those only mention interface changes. Surely there's some under the hood changes as well to improve boot time, power etc?
[17:50] <steveire> Does it use the exact same kernel/filesystem as the dektop edition?
[17:50] <bronson> Why does Ubuntu require me to log out and log back in every time I change the screen resolution?
[17:50] <bronson> What is this, Windows?
[17:50] <bronson> s/Ubuntu/Jaunty/
[17:50] <jtholmes> danbhfive, well now that i know what unr is i know i cannot answer your question lets see if anyone else chimes in
[17:51] <bronson> steveire, I didn't see the question, server vs desktop?
[17:51] <bronson> if so, it's a different kernel.  more optomized for throughput at the expense of latency (responsiveness)
[17:52] <bronson> few other changes too but you'd probably never notice.
[17:52] <danbhfive> !lpia
[17:54] <steveire> bronson: Nope, the question was netbook remix vs desktop edition..
[17:54] <Pici> lpia = low power Intel architectural
[17:54] <charlie-tca> bronson: logout/login is not the same as a system restart. It just restarts Xorg
[17:54] <campee> has anyone had issues with changing their screen resolution? mine was set to the max resolution, 1600x1050, and then i changed it to 1024x768. now i can't change it to anything other than 1024x768. i even tried deleting my xorg.conf file, which i saw was updated with a "virtual resolution" entry
[17:54] <Pici> er, ural/ure
[17:54] <steveire> I can only find info about the ui differences, but no one can tell me if there's any under the hood differences too.
[17:54] <campee> i have an intel 845 vid card in an intel mac mini, btw
[17:56] <danbhfive> Pici: yeah, I found that out on google.  I was hoping the factoid would tell me what distros are compiled with lpia support.  That, I couldn't quite figure out on google
[17:57] <porter1> Anyone having severe Firefox rendering issues?
[17:57] <campee> not I
[17:58] <charlie-tca> danbhfive: Ubuntu alternate has lpia support
[17:58] <campee> so, i'm looking at the topic.. will the version of Jaunty that's released tomorrow break my system as well? :)
[17:59] <Volkodav> of course it will lol\
[17:59] <charlie-tca> I'll take that back, there is an ubuntu alternate-lpia.iso
[17:59] <campee> oh, fun
[18:00] <danbhfive> charlie-tca: hmmm, I'm kinda hoping they have an UNR-lpia, since that's what makes the most sense for my eee.  I would think thats what makes the most sense for allot of netbooks out there.
[18:00] <chocobanana> I everyone!!!!
[18:00] <chocobanana> can somebody tell me, if one installs Ubuntu 9.04 RC1, do you need to reinstall when the final version comes out to get all proper or this is nonsense?
[18:01] <vart_> campee: I had issues with the VirtualDesctop - some files were modified in the home directory, I just removed all hidden files that I thought could be relevant - and after restart of X it started with the default setting. Took some time to reconfigure it to my likings, but at least it works now as before
[18:02] <bronson> charlie-tca, there's no difference in my book.
[18:02] <campee> chocobanana: good question
[18:02] <bronson> You have to close all windows and stop everything you're doing.
[18:02] <campee> vart_: any idea what the diretory name was?
[18:02] <goshawk> hi, with the lastest jaunty kernel i get a unable to handle kernel NULL pointer reference and my computer get frozen http://pastebin.ca/1399841
[18:02] <chocobanana> campee: thanks, ehehehe
[18:02] <goshawk> am i the onluy one having it?
[18:02] <charlie-tca> If there is difference, why have two iso's?
[18:02] <bronson> It's a reboot of the desktop.
[18:03] <campee> i haven't had that issue, goshawk
[18:03] <charlie-tca> chocobanana: as long as you run updates, it will be the same
[18:03] <charlie-tca> chocobanana: you will not have to install the final version.
[18:03] <chocobanana> charlie-tca: great! so that also means there's no need to change any configuration files or take any other procedure?
[18:04] <bronson> Anyone know why changing screen resolution now requires logout/login every time?
[18:04] <bronson> It's incredibly annoying.
[18:05] <campee> bronson: YES
[18:05] <campee> bronson: and in my case, it doesn't even work!
[18:05] <manpoole> when I hit shutdown in ubuntu jaunty and click shutdown during the thirty second countdown the computer seems to instantly turn off....
[18:05] <bronson> It's a huge regression.
[18:05] <bronson> Will Jaunty ship like this?
[18:05] <vart_> campee: I haven't figured out exactly what caused the problem - deleted some subfolders in ~/.config, deleted ~/.gnome* etc like this just scanned all hidden files in home folder and guessed what could be relevant
[18:05] <manpoole> surely it cannot shut down that quick?
[18:06] <campee> bronson: hope not, but don't know
[18:07] <charlie-tca> bronson: sorry, mixed my messages up
[18:09] <manpoole> anyone have that?
[18:09] <chocobanana> bronson: does it change the resolution only after logging out and back in or does it change immediately but asks you for logging out and in again (this is what happens to me...)?
[18:10] <manpoole> when i click shut down it seems to instantly power off its within a few seconds
[18:10] <manpoole> is that a bug or just extremely fast?
[18:10] <chocobanana> manpoole: Jaunty shuts down here extremely fast, so it's probably ok
[18:10] <chocobanana> manpoole: you may want to fsck your hdd to double check if nothing wrong is there
[18:12] <sammy> df -h
[18:12] <sammy> whoops
[18:12] <hallowname> hi, im on a 200m card. works great. somehow. it used to need fglrx :? now i dont kno what driver im using on jaunty. just worked. problem: cant get to tty1. tips?
[18:12] <jeffreyf> When exactly will Jaunty be released...I know it is 4/23, but at what time is it scheduled to "go live"
[18:13] <thiebaude> jeffreyf: i heard 1pm london time
[18:13] <_stink_> i want to try the jaunty daily image for the netbook remix.  the wiki page has this warning for *Hardy*: *WARNING. INSTALLING THIS IMAGE WILL DELETE ALL THE CONTENTS OF YOUR HARD DRIVE.*  Does this hold for the jaunty images?  I would expect it to act like a normal installer - i have other partitions i don't want to ruin.
[18:13] <danbhfive> jeffreyf: no one knows
[18:13] <thalias09> only beliefs
[18:14] <Daisuke-Ido> seems a little odd, i haven't had any updates in a couple days (been checking daily since installing the beta)
[18:14] <hallowname> _stink_: read its source :) mount the img, pull out its squashfs, mount that, and read exactly what voodoo the installer does. or ask the ppl tho made it maybe?
[18:14] <jeffreyf> Thanks.......I guess it is ready once it is ready then.....sometime on 4/23
[18:16] <hallowname> how can i see what video driver im using? once upon a time i would have 'nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf' ;p
[18:17] <danbhfive> hallowname: lshw -C video
[18:17] <hallowname> danbhfive: thanks
[18:18] <hallowname> danbhfive: that doesnt tell the driver tho
[18:19] <thiebaude> hallowname: what video card does your computer have?
[18:19] <danbhfive> hallowname: are you sure?
[18:19] <hallowname> thiebaude: xpress 200m
[18:19] <hallowname> danbhfive: yup :)
[18:19] <danbhfive> hallowname: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit <(lshw -C video)
[18:19] <hallowname> thiebaude: stupid mobile ati radeon =/
[18:19] <thiebaude> ok
[18:21] <bronson> chocobanana, sorry, afk.
[18:21] <bronson> It doesn't change resolution.  It says, "You must log out and log back in"
[18:21] <bronson> So I close all windows, save all documents, log out and back in, and I still get the old resolution.
[18:22] <hallowname> danbhfive: http://pastebin.ca/1399863
[18:22] <chocobanana> bronson: which graphics card?
[18:22] <bronson> So I open Display Prefs again and select the new res again, and THEN it works.
[18:22] <bronson> chocobanana, it works like this on both my ATI desktop and my Intel GMA4500 laptop.
[18:22] <danbhfive> hallowname: hmph, you are correct
[18:23] <chocobanana> hallowname: on a terminal, type "glxinfo" and look for "OpenGL vendor string" in the output
[18:23] <hallowname> danbhfive: once upon a time, fglrx would let me access tty1 when 'ati' and 'radeon' wouldnt. now i dont know what im using ;p
[18:23] <chocobanana> bronson: which ATI card?
[18:23] <hallowname> chocobanana: one sec
[18:23] <bronson> I think logout-login happens every time when going from a smaller res to big.  Going from big to small doesn't seem to require it.
[18:23] <bronson> chocobanana, Radeon 3650
[18:24] <hallowname> chocobanana: DRI R300 Project
[18:24] <chocobanana> bronson: for that card, fglrx CCCPanel is more reliable for dual screen configuring
[18:24] <chocobanana> hallowname: you're using xorg's radeon driver
[18:25] <hallowname> chocobanana: thank you :)
[18:25] <bronson> chocobanana, I'm using the open source driver.
[18:25] <hallowname> this card used to need fglrx for 3d. thats cool. tty1 would be nice tho ;p
[18:25] <bronson> the fgl driver crashes on hibernate
[18:26] <chocobanana> hallowname: that's weird... but familiar at the same time
[18:26] <chocobanana> bronson: your best bet for dual monitor support is the fglrx driver
[18:27] <chocobanana> bronson: as for the intel card, maybe it is too recent? I would google dual screen x4500 ubuntu
[18:27] <jmichaelx> i just finished upgrading to kubuntu jaunty from intrepid, but when i log in, i have no panel, no folder-view desktop, etc. could anyone tell me what i need to do to get them to show up?
[18:27] <oobe> im using 9.04 beta each version of ubuntu changes how things are configured and for some reason even though i setup sysfsutils and added the value 25 in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold kubuntu 9.04 thinks its ok to keep my cpu limtied 1000 MHz even when playing back HD content transcoding or compilling software
[18:27] <hifi> anyone using multiple X screens in dualhead?
[18:28] <chocobanana> hallowname: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443526
[18:30] <Mikaeln> I've just tried the live cd of jaunty, and it seamed to work fine.. so I installed the system. But after I logged in to the system, the system "hangs".. I get a black background, and a moveable mousepointer.. but nothing more... any suggestions? =)
[18:32] <bronson> chocobanana, each machine is single monitor.
[18:32] <bronson> they both require logout/login though.
[18:32] <bercik> I have got some problem with ati open.source driver. It runs very slow even in ExtremeTuxRacer :P
[18:32] <bronson> I'm surprised that campee is the only other guy that sees this...   You guys never change screen res?
[18:33] <chocobanana> bronson: oh! damn! I thought your problem was enabling/disabling a 2nd screen... So it is just changing the resolution...
[18:33] <chocobanana> bronson: lemme try here
[18:34] <oobe> im using 9.04 beta each version of ubuntu changes how things are configured and for some reason even though i setup sysfsutils and added the value 25 in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold kubuntu 9.04 thinks its ok to keep my cpu limtied 1000 MHz even when playing back HD content transcoding or compilling software
[18:36] <Guest12872> how do I install the nvidia driver?
[18:37] <chocobanana> bronson: I think I just had the same problem. Lowering the resolution is no problem. Increasing asks for loggin out and in. After logging in, resolution didn't go up. I had to increase it again and it worked. Then I lowered - it worked. Then I quit the resolution app and opened and increased the resolution and it worked. Can you try this?
[18:38] <SuperN100> my video card is a nVidia Corporation GeForce 8300 GS
[18:38] <jbroome> !nvidia
[18:38] <Ventero> Anyone got an idea why my gnome panels don't automatically start up when I log in...?
[18:38] <racecar56> how's things going here?
[18:38] <mishu> does anyone know when 9.04 will be launched? i mean an approximate time (and time zone)...
[18:39] <jbroome> mishu: no, when it's ready
[18:39] <racecar56> mishu, i know it will be tomorrow
[18:39] <Pici> !outyet
[18:39] <racecar56> i didnt know ubottu was here
[18:39] <bercik> I have got some problem with ati open.source driver. It runs very slow even in ExtremeTuxRacer :P Is it normal?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Thanks, Pici
[18:39] <mishu> ok, thanks
[18:39] <racecar56> bercik, it cant do 3D i believe
[18:39] <racecar56> bercik, well... not nicely
[18:40] <SuperN100> jbroome, that doesn't tell me much
[18:40] <racecar56> bercik, non-open source drivers work better for 3D, but there may be another way around....
[18:40] <bercik> racecar56: so how do i anable 3d? i cannot fglrx
[18:40] <racecar56> bercik, why not?
[18:40] <bercik> damn
[18:41] <bercik> couse my radeon x300 is no longer spported :/
[18:41] <SuperN100> jbroome, I am guessing I need nvidia-glx-new  ?
[18:41] <racecar56> bercik, use hardware drivers
[18:41] <bercik> racecar56: what is it?
[18:41] <racecar56> bercik, system > admin > hardware drivers
[18:41] <Mikaeln> Anyone got any idea of why I just get a black screen and a mouse pointer when I'm logging in.. (It works fine on live cd)..?
[18:41] <jbroome> SuperN100: if it's a current card yes
[18:42] <bercik> racecar56: it doesnt find anything..
[18:42] <racecar56> Mikaeln, i have that problem on some old compaq sr1020nx but it wouldnt work period...
[18:42] <Mikaeln> This is a fairly new computer... just a few months old...  Got any idea where to look? Which logs? =)
[18:43] <racecar56> bercik, run "jockey-gtk -c && jockey-gtk -u && jockey-gtk && exit" (no quotes) in terminal (no alt+f2)
[18:43] <manpoole> my juanty shuts down from linux in about 2 seconds or 1 second....is this normal?
[18:44] <SuperN100> jbroome,   nvidia-glx-96 nvidia-glx-71 nvidia-glx-180 nvidia-glx-173 , is what is available it seems.  I see my card listed under 173 , but I don't see any information on 180 .  Should I risk 180 or just install 73?
[18:44] <bercik> racecar56: and if i use Kubuntu?
[18:44] <SuperN100> heh
[18:44] <bercik> -kde?
[18:44] <SuperN100> I see it now, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/nvidia-glx-180
[18:44] <racecar56> bercik, replace all the jockey-gtk's with -kde i think, its been a while scince ive userd it
[18:44] <racecar56> *used
[18:45] <bercik> no output
[18:46] <racecar56> k
[18:46] <chocobanana> manpoole: does it say shutting down at the very end of the process?
[18:47] <bercik> racecar56: so what now?..
[18:47] <manpoole> no it pretty much just shuts down instantly
[18:47] <manpoole> ext4
[18:47] <manpoole> 2 gigs of ram
[18:47] <chocobanana> manpoole: it doesn't even show the ubuntu logo?
[18:47] <manpoole> no
[18:48] <manpoole> was like this after a fresh install
[18:48] <chocobanana> manpoole: hmmm... did you install from the RC1 iso or before?
[18:48] <manpoole> didnt know if it was crazily quick or a bug
[18:49] <manpoole> rc1 iso
[18:49] <chocobanana> manpoole: processor and hdd speed?
[18:49] <manpoole> 2.6 amd 5000 x2
[18:49] <deco> what time is 9.4 officially available for download?
[18:50] <chocobanana> hdd?
[18:50] <manpoole> 7200 rpm
[18:50] <manpoole> had to google it
[18:50] <Paavi2_0> deco: when it's ready
[18:50] <chocobanana> manpoole: you're shutting down from inside Gnome or GDM?
[18:51] <deco> Paavi2_0: i know it's today but what time exactly?
[18:51] <manpoole> gnome
[18:51] <Mikaeln> ok, seems like it's pulseaudio I've got problem with.. anyone knows that system?
[18:51] <charlie-tca> !outyet | deco
[18:51] <Paavi2_0> deco: actually it's tomorrow for me...are you somewhere in australia or what?
[18:51] <deco> usa
[18:52] <Paavi2_0> deco: it's not today then, it's tomorrow
[18:52] <manpoole> the release manger lives in europe i hear
[18:52] <deco> Paavi2_0: rats :-( thanks
[18:53] <Paavi2_0> deco: if you don't worry about big bugs you could always go for the release candidate ;)
[18:53] <bercik> How do i get 3D if i cannot run fglrx please?
[18:53] <chocobanana> manpoole: did you already fsck?
[18:53] <manpoole> well it did the check when it was rebooting once
[18:53] <Paavi2_0> bercik: by using the right video card and right driver
[18:53] <manpoole> and that was really fast
[18:54] <bercik> Paavi2_0: what driver is right for my x300?
[18:55] <Paavi2_0> bercik: x300? is it ati?
[18:55] <chocobanana> manpoole: I'm not sure if it can be a problem or not... I would ask again later on or post in the forum
[18:55] <bercik> Paavi2_0: yes
[18:55] <campee> vart_: i think the entry is .config/monitors.xml to get the resolution to change
[18:55] <bronson> chocobanana, that's exactly it.
[18:55] <manpoole> i did some stuff to get a faster boot time, but it was shutting down this quick out of the box
[18:56] <chocobanana>  bronson: did you try quitting the Display Preferences window and open again before bring the resolution up?
[18:56] <vart_> campee: ok
[18:56] <Adyeths> does anyone know if the problem with ubuntu locking up randomly for no apparent reason is fixed in the new version thats about to be released?
[18:56] <bronson> No, I'll give it a shot.
[18:56] <chocobanana> manpoole: it would be great if that's expected behavior but I understand the concern :D
[18:57] <bronson> But I see this so much that something resets it to bad behavior.
[18:57] <bronson> It isn't like logging out & back in once fixes it forever.
[18:57] <Paavi2_0> bercik: in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Drivers (or something similar) Are you using a Polish translation?
[18:58] <manpoole> my hd is already in bad shape
[18:58] <joaopinto> Adyeths, there are plenty of bugs fixed on this release, and some others introduced, unless you reported the bug, and checked it's status, you will not get an answer
[18:58] <bercik> Paavi2_0: i am Polish, but i use Finnish translaton :P   I tried this way. You know? It doesnt show anything
[18:58] <campee> yeah that's definitely it. just confirmed. that file apparently isn't being updated correctly.
[18:58] <manpoole> corrupted section i partitioned to not use
[19:00] <Paavi2_0> bercik: Järjestelmä -> Ylläpito -> Laiteajurit
[19:00] <chocobanana> manpoole: do you suspect it's because of the shutdown issue?
[19:00] <manpoole> nooo
[19:00] <bercik> Paavi2_0: hehe, nice. I understand but i already told: This tool donest show me anything
[19:00] <manpoole> spontaneous combustion
[19:00] <manpoole> or something
[19:01] <bronson> chocobanana, HAHAHA
[19:01] <manpoole> and that was when i was running 8.10 on ext3
[19:01] <bronson> you're right, quitting & restarting display prefs seems to work.
[19:01] <Paavi2_0> bercik: aww. bad news for you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1128324
[19:01] <bronson> how odd.
[19:01] <chocobanana> bronson: smells like a bug
[19:02] <chocobanana> bronson: wanna have the honor and report?
[19:02] <bronson> chocobanana, sure
[19:02] <chocobanana> bronson: :)
[19:02] <Paavi2_0> bercik: there might be some proprietary drivers for ati later on, but right now you have to get along without them...and 3d of course...
[19:02] <chocobanana> bronson: bug = oddities :P
[19:04] <Paavi2_0> bercik: you might want to google for yourself though...there might soon be a solution/workaround of some kind
[19:04] <chocobanana> manpoole: I'm not really sure what would be the best thing to do...
[19:05] <manpoole> the release is tomorrow lol
[19:05] <bercik> Paavi2_0: so: even the open-driver is not yet availble=
[19:05] <bercik> ?
[19:05] <genii> Why no krecordmydesktop in 9.04? Unmaintained or so?
[19:05] <chocobanana> manpoole: maybe you could try and reinstall 9.04 with ext3 and see if there's a big difference
[19:05] <joaopinto> Paavi2_0, bercik , the closed source ATI driver is working fine for me
[19:05] <manpoole> ooohh but i like ext4 lol
[19:05] <setuid> Where do I configure KDE themes from the CLI? I have a headless box with kdelibs, and I need to theme the apps that use them.
[19:05] <bercik> joaopinto: and for me not:( 3D is veeery slow
[19:05] <Paavi2_0> joaopinto: does it support 3d?
[19:05] <joaopinto> yes
[19:06] <Paavi2_0> mkay
[19:06] <popey> genii: i updated recordmydesktop and gtkrecordmydesktop for 9.04, could do krecordmydesktop too
[19:06] <bercik> joaopinto: how to check what is not right for me ?
[19:06] <Paavi2_0> i'm glad that i've got nvidia on my desktop :)
[19:06] <joaopinto> berbmit, did you install fglrx ?
[19:07] <bercik> joaopinto: no, i cannot
[19:07] <chocobanana> manpoole: I knew you would say that, hehehe
[19:07] <bercik> my card is unsupported
[19:07] <chocobanana> manpoole: how about the boot process, how many secs. +-?
[19:08] <neurobuntu> Does Jaunty ship with the JuJu firewire stack?
[19:08] <DanaG> juju?  what's a juju?  =þ
[19:09] <neurobuntu> JuJu is the newer firewire stack (its actually a few years old)
[19:09] <manpoole> bootchart says 13 seconds
[19:09] <neurobuntu> but it wasn't in Intrepid or previous releases
[19:09] <jmichaelx> i just finished upgrading to kubuntu jaunty from intrepid, but when i log in, i have no panel, no folder-view desktop, etc. could anyone tell me what i need to do to get them to show up?
[19:09] <charlie-tca> !juju
[19:09] <neurobuntu> !firewire
[19:10] <bercik> joaopinto: could You show me what vandor shows Your glxinfo?
[19:10] <setuid> Anyone know? some sort of 'kcontrol' or 'kde-config' or something?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> JuJu is not in the jaunty repositories
[19:11] <neurobuntu> charlie-tca, it wouldn't be called juju
[19:11] <chocobanana> manpoole: from grub to gdm?
[19:11] <DanaG> what's a juju?
[19:11] <chocobanana> !ext4
[19:11] <chocobanana> lol
[19:11] <DanaG> If you mean the new firewire stack in 2.6.28... yes, it does have it.
[19:12] <DanaG> It's just blacklisted by default.
[19:12] <neurobuntu> DanaG, SUWEET!
[19:12] <neurobuntu> thanks!
[19:12] <Mikaeln> Anyone know why I can run the liveCD, but not the installed version.. (pulseaudio seems to hang the system after logging in)
[19:12] <DanaG> I've been using it; I'm not sure what the advantages are, though.
[19:12] <joaopinto> bercik, server glx vendor string: ATI
[19:13] <DanaG> modules are firewire-core and such.
[19:13] <DanaG> YOu'll just have to edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-firewire.conf
[19:13] <bercik> joaopinto: ohoo. I got different: mesa. Could You tell me how did You installed Your drivers please? i realy nneed it
[19:13] <setuid> looks like it's called 'systemsettings'
[19:13] <odinsbane> anybody here try xorg-edgers using an intel GM965/GL960 ?
[19:14] <joaopinto> bercik, I did nothing special, I got the usual warnign the my card required a restricted driver, and clicked to install
[19:14] <joaopinto> bercik, what is your card model ?
[19:14] <neurobuntu> DanaG, can you point me to anything official that says that the stack is included but blacklisted
[19:15] <bercik> joaopinto: i havent got any pop-up about drivers. My card is (unsupported) x300
[19:15] <kbmaniac> Hi all, is the flglx ati driver working with xorg yet ?
[19:15] <odinsbane> or tell me how I can safely undo any damage I do if I install development drivers?
[19:15] <bercik> joaopinto: You know what is interesting? Jockey doesnt show anything to install
[19:16] <joaopinto> bercik, lspci | grep Radeon
[19:16] <bercik> joaopinto: Are You sure You use OPEN driver?
[19:16] <DanaG> hmm, I can't find anything.
[19:16] <bercik> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300
[19:16] <joaopinto> berbmit, grrr, no, I am using the proprietary driver, that's the "restricted"
[19:16] <DanaG> oh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-December/003930.html
[19:16] <ripps> kbmaniac: Yes, if you card is rv600+
[19:17] <DanaG> bug 276463
[19:17] <kbmaniac> my card is a Asus ATI Radeon HD 3650 - any hope ?
[19:17] <bronson> chocobanana, bug 365210
[19:17] <bronson> fwiw
[19:17] <melik> is there a CLI installer for ubuntu?
[19:17] <joaopinto> melik, yes, just download the alternate cd
[19:18] <melik> i'm trying to install Kubuntu 9.04 on my asus eeepc 901
[19:18] <neurobuntu> DanaG, thanks again
[19:18] <melik> and i cant see the next buttons :/ lol
[19:18] <DanaG> What were the advantages of the new one, anyway?
[19:18] <joaopinto> bercik, have you tried to manually install the fglrx driver ?
[19:19] <bercik> joaopinto: yes, but its not possible. I am not SUPPORTED any more
[19:19] <chocobanana> bronson: cool
[19:19] <bercik> so You dont use open one
[19:19] <cjae> rconan: are you around?
[19:19] <rconan> cjae: yeah
[19:19] <rconan> cjae: did you mean me or someone else?
[19:20] <ripps> kbmaniac: I believe that the 3650 is an rv671, so it should work with catalyst 9.4
[19:20] <cjae> rconan: you still working ok with all the updates for beta?
[19:20] <kbmaniac> ripps, many thanks, will give it a go :)
[19:20] <rconan> cjae: yeah... not too bad
[19:21] <ripps> kbmaniac, if your unsure about compatibility, try out a jaunty livecd first.
[19:21] <DanaG> Make sure to tell people to use the --buildpkg, not the plain install!
[19:21] <Mikaeln> My hardware works fine on the livecd... but not when I've installed it...
[19:21] <kbmaniac> thats not a bad idea, but if it flopps I am happy to hack xorg & back out,
[19:22] <cjae> rconan: yeah I m starting to get weird things happen, you said you did ext4 too right? I was wondering if I set ktorrent to preallocate by filesystem type it will understand ext4 or is this a strictly kernel thing?
[19:22] <jmichaelx> i just finished upgrading to kubuntu jaunty from intrepid, but when i log in, i have no panel, no folder-view desktop, etc. could anyone tell me what i need to do to get them to show up?
[19:22] <neurobuntu> kbmaniac, describe the problems you are experiencing
[19:23] <vart_> melic: alt+click - you could move the window around
[19:23] <neurobuntu> oops!
[19:23] <SandGorgon> jmichaelx: please rm your ~/.kde. also check whether you are using ext4
[19:23] <jmichaelx> ty SandGorgon
[19:24] <rconan> cjae: I don't use ext4 or ktorrent
[19:24] <rconan> cjae: I use ext3 and rtorrent :p
[19:24] <kbmaniac> using 'vesa' driver on wifes machine, tried flglx earlier but it was incompatible with xorg version
[19:24] <SilentDis> hello
[19:25] <joaopinto> kbmaniac, the latest fglrx driver works fine
[19:25] <cjae> rconan: rtorrent much lighter?
[19:25] <kbmaniac> cool - love (k)(x)ubuntu :)
[19:25] <Paavi2_0> no torrent client seems to work for me. might be due to closed ports on ufw :/
[19:25] <rconan> cjae: I run it on a server without X so it's not really an option
[19:25] <SilentDis> bit of an odd one here...  i use EVDO to get online.  I'd like it so when my phone is plugged in (/dev/ttyACM0 appears) that ppp0 comes up.
[19:25] <cjae> rconan: ahh
[19:26] <rconan> cjae: in fact... that server is running intrepid
[19:26] <DanaG> oh yeah, one issue I have with fglrx:
[19:26] <SilentDis> i should note, i am NOT using network manager, as i needed better control over my connection
[19:26] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[19:27] <DanaG> oh yeah, I plugged my phone into my computer, and it just guessed at making a CDMA connection.  It never asked me about any connection details -- not even a username or password.
[19:27] <SilentDis> DanaG: that is part of why i went without network manager and just set it up by hand
[19:28] <dreamon> strg+alt+f1 only a dark screen appears.. no input no text.. only darkness. Anybody knows a trick to fix it?
[19:28] <Newk> anyone having problems with gnome-do's docky skin, and nvidia drivers
[19:28] <Newk> freezes the system momentarily and everytime u try to access it
[19:30] <racecar56> what's strg? ctrl?
[19:30] <cjae> rconan: ok I have one thing that is amazingly annoying, I have an update that when you run the mouse over the gear it says two updates availiable but when you slect kpackage or whatever it is now it says one blocked update that is adobe flash nonfree
[19:31] <cjae> select*
[19:31] <dreamon> racecar56, Yes.. its a german keyboard.. CTRL+ALT+F1
[19:31] <racecar56> dreamon, kk.. thought so
[19:32] <cjae> I have been using aptitude to install stuff, how do I make this go away and does it mean that the update could cause problems or what
[19:33]  * cjae is sick of seeing the gear and thinking that might be actual updates
[19:34] <kklimonda> what do developers say about envyng? Should it be used in cases when normal hardware managers fails to install working drivers?
[19:40] <rconan> cjae: have you tried running apt-get dist-upgrade from terminal instead of using any of the graphical managers?
[19:40] <rconan> cjae: with some dependancy changes graphical managers go wrong
[19:40] <cellx> which time in CET area like Berlin the jaunty will be released?
[19:41] <nrzul> hi all
[19:41] <rconan> cellx: no-one knows... when it's ready
[19:41] <nrzul> can anyone help with amarok?
[19:41] <rconan> nrzul: what's the problem
[19:41] <kklimonda> rconan: you shouldn't run clean apt-get dist-upgrade. there are some quicks applied by update-manager that may not be applied by apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:41] <nrzul> i install kubuntu 9.04
[19:41] <nrzul> amarok don't play last.fm
[19:41] <kklimonda> if you don't wan't to use graphical update manager you should do ``sudo do-release-upgrade''
[19:41] <rconan> kklimonda: quirks like what? update-manager just runs apt I thought?
[19:42] <rconan> kklimonda: I'm not talking about release upgrades I'm talking about updates
[19:42] <cjae> rconan: I was using aptitude, but the annoying kpackage keeps telling me I have a package that is blocked, that is already installed
[19:42] <nrzul> n ow i'm updating system may be will work///
[19:42] <cellx> rconan: thanks, I ll go bed and wait for the surprise in next morning...
[19:43] <rconan> nrzul: sorry... don't use last.fm try looking on launchpad for a bug
[19:43] <nrzul> what ide good for c++?
[19:43] <kklimonda> rconan: no - for example it checks if your gpu is supported by new drivers and if not it allows you to stop upgrade or install open drivers (and it updates xorg.conf)
[19:43] <m1r> hello
[19:43] <rconan> kklimonda: I'm not talking about up*grade* I'm talking about up*dates*
[19:44] <m1r> i cant find monitor resolutions/refresh rates in xorg.conf and my 2nd monitor cant display 1280x1024, where could i find that so i can enter it manualy ?
[19:44] <rconan> cjae: I'm not sure what dependancy tracking algorithm aptitude uses but I know one of them wont change package versions for dependancies and ends up refusing to install some updates
[19:44] <rconan> cjae: what package is it?
[19:44] <ripps> rconan: simple update: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade.
[19:45] <rconan> ripps: but that fails to upgrade some packages (usually early in development cycles when dependancies are changing)
[19:45] <rconan> s/upgrade/update
[19:46] <Kaedenn> Hey. Where do I put a script to have it run on boot, as root?
[19:46] <ripps> rconan, than straight aptitude has package conflict handling, but it's not as easy to use as update-manager.
[19:46] <oDesk> hello i'm on 9.04  update-manager -d  prints error "GtkWarning: could not open display"
[19:46] <rconan> ripps: as does apt-get dist-upgrade :p
[19:46] <ripps> rconan: You shouldn't use dist-upgrade with ubuntu
[19:47] <rconan> you just occasionally have to watch out for it removing things when it shouldn't...
[19:47] <osubuck_> 2 days till release and its killing me :P
[19:47] <rconan> ripps: I'd like to see some reasons why...
[19:47] <Nikola> osubuck_: 2 days or tommorow?
[19:47] <DanaG> I use aptitude for everything.
[19:47] <ripps> precisely like you said, it will remove things it shouldn't. If you have a working X, use update-manager.
[19:47] <osubuck_> its the 2nd here.... supposed to be released on the 4th
[19:47] <oDesk> rconan: dist-upgrade is works, but i want to know what is the Gtk warning!
[19:48] <kklimonda> rconan: packages shouldn't be held back at this time. If they are someone was probably using some 3rd party repositories.
[19:48] <rconan> kklimonda: true... although he did say it had been there a while
[19:48] <rconan> oDesk: probably the debconf trying to run the gtk gui instead of the terminal version
[19:48] <kklimonda> rconan: than we should be more specific - you shouldn't use apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude) to upgrade from one release to another.
[19:48] <cjae> rconan: flashplugin-nonfree
[19:48] <nemo> gah.
[19:48] <rconan> kklimonda: I totally agree there!
[19:49] <nemo> I have a 5 day old update of jaunty
[19:49] <DanaG> I usually DO use aptitude.
[19:49] <kklimonda> DanaG: you shouldn't.
[19:49] <DanaG> Even for release-upgrades.
[19:49] <DanaG> What's the reasoning?
[19:49] <nemo> and I keep getting bad sigs
[19:49] <nemo> even if I disable everything but main
[19:49] <ripps> aptitude works fine, but it's not officially supported by ubuntu, the core-devs prefer you use apt-get
[19:49]  * nemo tries another mirror
[19:49] <rconan> cjae: I would try doing "apt-get upgrade flashplugin-nonfree" (or aptitude) since that will definitely sort out anything held back
[19:49] <kklimonda> DanaG: sometimes things change between releases that aren't handled by simple package upgrades.
[19:50] <rconan> DanaG: apt-get has had most of the features of aptitude ported to it now anyway (like autoremoving and such)
[19:50] <osubuck_> thats why im waiting for the final instead of installing the RC
[19:50] <kklimonda> DanaG: you can see some examples in ``/usr/share/pyshared/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeQuirks.py'' file.
[19:50] <cjae> rconan: ok thats kind of what I figured, but the wording "blocked" made me think I should nt :p
[19:51] <rconan> cjae: I don't think there's any reason except being held back due to dependancies
[19:51] <rconan> cjae: I think they changed the way flash was installed for jaunty... am I right?
[19:52] <DanaG> I still like the ncurses UI of aptitude.  =þ
[19:55] <cjae> rconan: i   kubuntu-restricted-extras Recommends adobe-flashplugin | flashplugin-nonfree  ....this is what I got from aptitude why flashplugin-nonfree
[19:57] <rconan> cjae: oh... I think you just need to remove flashplugin-nonfree
[19:57]  * rconan checks
[19:58] <rconan> cjae: flashplugin-nonfree is now a transitional package
[19:58] <rconan> for adobe-flashplugin
[19:58] <rconan> sorry no... flashplugin-installer
[19:59] <DanaG> I sure hope we can still nspluginwrap Flash.
[19:59] <Ventero> Sorry for asking again, but I still haven't solved this: How do I get gnome panel to start automatically (how it normally does) when I log in? :X
[19:59] <DanaG> I like not having Flash crashes take down the whole browser.
[19:59] <DanaG> Without nspluginwrapper... if flash dies, so does Firefox.
[19:59] <DanaG> It also means you can killall -9 npviewer.bin if it starts devouring CPU time.
[20:00] <DanaG> I even use nspluginwrapper on 32-bit.
[20:01] <tywashere>  Unable to find simple control 'PCM',0 ? I'm in ubuntu 9.04
[20:04] <ibrahim7689> hello, if i install jaunty 9.04 RC and then use the update manager to install the updates, will my system be 'in line' with the coming 9.04 stable release?
[20:05] <joaopinto> ibrahim7689, yes
[20:05] <Pici> ibrahim7689: yes
[20:05] <robin0800> ibrahim7689: there have been no updates for the last two days
[20:05] <ibrahim7689> ok thanks
[20:06] <ibrahim7689> robin0800: are you saying the rc is in line with the stable release anyway?
[20:06] <joaopinto> there have been some updates after the RC
[20:06] <robin0800> ibrahim7689: That I don't know
[20:06] <ibrahim7689> ok
[20:07] <ibrahim7689> one more thing, is there a tool to set the time according the internet time servers?
[20:08] <joaopinto> ibrahim7689, ntp
[20:08] <robin0800> ibrahim7689: There may be updates tomorow to bring it into line with the release
[20:09] <ripps> I belive ntpdate is installed by default
[20:09] <joaopinto> robin0800, Is very unlikely to have updates on the release date, since the ISOs need to be frozen and mirrored several hours before that
[20:11] <ripps> It's pretty calm here, considering the fact that jaunty is so close to release.
[20:11] <robin0800> joaopinto: Although that is true in the past updates have come out at the same time as the release
[20:12] <mphill> i downloaded off iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[20:12] <mphill> might as well get it now before the servers are totally hammered tomorrow
[20:13] <joakim`> anyone using banshee with the mirage plugin here?
[20:14] <ripps> I'm a steadfast gmpc+mpd user
[20:14] <ibrahim7689> is anyone running jaunty on <=256
[20:14] <ibrahim7689> mb
[20:15] <ibrahim7689> im glad/amazed to say that it has been working so far
[20:15] <ibrahim7689> a bit laggy but usable
[20:15] <mphill> ibrahim7689: try lxde
[20:15] <mphill> make sure you get the lxde network manager too
[20:15] <ibrahim7689> !lxde
[20:15] <nztal> i just got a laptop i'd like to put jaunty on.  it has a recovery partition, at the end of the drive, instead of at the beginning of the drive.  i'd like to keep the original windows on there in case i get a job that requires it.  i'm not sure how to do this, since the recovery partition, is at the end.
[20:16] <Rolie> ibrahim7689, I'm running intrepid with 72 MB of memory, no Xorg though
[20:17] <ibrahim7689> hmm i have a full gui, and it runs smooth considering the hardware
[20:17] <ibrahim7689> Dell L400
[20:17] <ibrahim7689> pretty nice little laptop
[20:17] <ibrahim7689> for the money
[20:18] <Rolie> what are the min specs anyway for jaunty
[20:18] <rconan> 384 MB RAM for the graphical installer
[20:18] <rconan> IIRC
[20:18] <ibrahim7689> it said 256mb for the gui installer
[20:18] <rconan> hmm... I might be wrong
[20:18] <ibrahim7689> and i guess i have proved that is true ;)
[20:18] <Pici> !requirements
[20:19] <Pici> Probably close those those ^
[20:19] <ibrahim7689> the installer said i needed 256mb but only had 255mb, so i wasnt really bothered about the 1mb
[20:20] <ibrahim7689> everything went smoothly
[20:20] <Rolie> 384 MB it is, but "smoothly" is rather subjective ;)
[20:20] <ibrahim7689> i had to use wubi
[20:20] <rconan> I'm sure I tried the installer with 256 and had to use alternate disc (maybe that was another reason)
[20:20] <ibrahim7689> im using the desktop edition, not the alternate
[20:20] <rconan> possibly the system memory mapped graphics card used some which meant I didn't have enough
[20:20] <Halow> Yeah, I couldn't get the GUI installer going at 256 on my mom's computer either.
[20:21] <rconan> alternate works with <32MB IIRC though
[20:21] <ibrahim7689> like i say, i was forced to use wubi because this machine is so old it cant boot off usb or usb cd drives, at least it didnt when i tried
[20:21] <fincan> any news about the time?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> desktop always takes more than the alternate cd
[20:21] <charlie-tca> !notyet | fincan
[20:21] <rconan> fincan: no... and there wont be... no-one will know until it's ready and released
[20:21]  * Halow wishes ubottu had a !time command.
[20:21] <Halow> !time
[20:22] <Halow> Guess not.
[20:22] <rconan> go to
[20:22] <charlie-tca> !outyet
[20:22] <rconan> -ops and ask for one
[20:22] <rconan> ah... good
[20:22] <fincan> nice the bot active xD
[20:22] <Halow> Good one.
[20:22] <vart> on 256M it is recomended to use Xubuntu
[20:22] <ubluntu> anyone know why my video driver doesnt increase my resolution?
[20:23] <ibrahim7689> i was going to go with xub but thought i wud try ubuntu first
[20:23] <Halow> Yep, I used Xubuntu. But even then, the GUI installer wouldn't go.
[20:23] <ibrahim7689> really, what sort of hardware are you using?
[20:23] <ibrahim7689> it cant get much worse than mine :)
[20:24] <charlie-tca> I thought mine was the worst, PII, 400MHz, with 192MB ram installed xubuntu from the desktop cd
[20:25] <Halow> You know, I can't remember... It was my mom's computer. I'm scared to give her Jaunty yet, as she's got Intel graphics.
[20:25] <ibrahim7689> hmm it seems the min reqs are a bit exaggerated
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Ah, yes, intel graphics is not so good now
[20:25] <ibrahim7689> jauntys supposedly got good intel support
[20:25] <ibrahim7689> how come?
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu mins should be in line
[20:25] <Halow> Well, like was said before, it's possible since she has onboard video that some of the memory was being held back.
[20:25] <racecar56> i have a comp with 1GB ram and intel celeron and it cant run ubuntu, only xubuntu
[20:25] <racecar56> O_o
[20:26] <ripps> ibrahim7689: intel is kinda buggy because of the shift to dri2 and uxa
[20:26] <ibrahim7689> hmm
[20:26] <racecar56> and it's acpi dosen't work with xubuntu
[20:26] <_kal_> --->> UBUNTU 9.04 FiNAL ISO HERE : http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso <<---
[20:26] <_kal_> :]
[20:26] <_kal_> --->> UBUNTU 9.04 FiNAL ISO HERE : http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso <<---
[20:26] <ibrahim7689> i didnt have any problems on my other laptop with an intel, using uxa
[20:26] <ibrahim7689> it ran fine
[20:26] <dt3k> l i e s
[20:26] <racecar56> lol .pool to hide it
[20:27] <racecar56> it exists!
[20:27] <haggisbasheruk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ daily images here
[20:27] <Pici> _kal_: please stop. The release notice has not yet come out;
[20:28] <ibrahim7689> heh this is gonna be like when a new episode of lost comes out and there are like at least 5 hoaxes on the torrent sites every time
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Hate to say it, but if you read that url with out the iso:
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Images here may not be final even if they look as if they are; by distributing pre-release images here we can make final mirroring faster.
[20:28]  * ripps is mentally preparing himself for the chaos that is going to come with the release
[20:28] <racecar56> dun dun
[20:28] <Pici> charlie-tca: Glad to see that PSA
[20:29] <Nikola94> lol, someone took mah nick... -.-
[20:29] <haggisbasheruk> lol
[20:30] <rconan> Nikola94: ghost them
[20:30] <Nikola94> how?
[20:30] <ripps> I used a register nick, nobody can steal mine
[20:30] <dt3k> The file kie posted is: 20-Apr-2009 16:02  698M  Ubuntu 9.04 Release Candidate (Jaunty Jackalope)
[20:30] <racecar56> i registered mine
[20:30] <haggisbasheruk> me 2
[20:30] <racecar56> its a redirect
[20:30] <dt3k> kal*
[20:30] <Nikola94> how do i register it?
[20:30] <Pici> !register
[20:30] <racecar56> e-z
[20:30] <_kal__> yeah dt3k ?
[20:30] <Nikola94> thanks
[20:30] <Gullstad> Any words about the X.org - Compiz unstability?
[20:31] <_kal__> yeah the file is dated from April 20
[20:31] <dt3k> _kal__: the file you posted inst final, its "20-Apr-2009 16:02  698M  Ubuntu 9.04 Release Candidate Jaunty Jackalope)
[20:31] <dt3k> "
[20:31] <_kal__> it's the final release
[20:31] <ripps> For my ati 9600pro, Compiz is the most stable it's ever been
[20:31] <dt3k> _kal_: it's the RC
[20:31] <rconan> _kal__: It is *not* out. That is *not* the final release. It is not released until the mail to the ubuntu-annouce mailing list. Please stop linking.
[20:31] <_kal__> yes it is, you'see tomorrow
[20:31] <abhinay> sorry to ask this, when is the final release?
[20:31] <Gullstad> ripps: I think it was a Intel-chipset thing.
[20:31] <racecar56> tomorrow
[20:31] <dt3k> tomorrow abhinay
[20:31] <rconan> !notyet | abhinay
[20:31] <racecar56> !release
[20:31] <Pici> !outyet > abhinay
[20:31] <_kal__> check the md5 tomorrow and you'll see I were right
[20:31] <abhinay> time?
[20:31] <_kal__> :]
[20:32] <dt3k> _kal__: you're not very bright
[20:32] <Pici> !party
[20:32] <haggisbasheruk> Nice to see GEM support with intel but crazy to see the nasty graphics glitches
[20:32] <abhinay> Thanks for the info guys! :)
[20:32] <racecar56> yw
[20:33] <ripps> Well, since RC is in freeze and probably isn't going to get any updates, this is probably the same as the release
[20:33] <rconan> ripps: no... that isn't true
[20:34] <deany> how can i stop eye of gnome/gthumb (seems its a nautilus/gnome thing really) from filling that .thumbnails folder with gigs of thumbnails?
[20:34] <rconan> there are almost always at least a couple of updates
[20:34] <_kal_> yes it is, that's the final : i always get ubuntu final release one day before its official release date, using this method : md5 prooves it's correct :]
[20:34] <Nikola94> I think i register this one lol
[20:34] <rconan> _kal__: It is *not* out. That is *not* the final release. It is not released until the mail to the ubuntu-annouce mailing list. Please stop linking.
[20:34] <_kal_> anyway, enjoy the latest release everybody, it rocks
[20:34] <_kal_> see ya
[20:34] <rconan> well thank god he's gone
[20:35] <deany> even windows lets you stop caching thumbs...cmon
[20:35] <racecar56> and if window$ can do something linux can't, that must be patched right away
[20:35] <nemo> deany: symlink .thumbnails against /tmp ? :)
[20:35] <racecar56> xD
[20:35] <deany> dont wanna go the asty route and chown root the folder
[20:36] <ripps> deany: dude, my .thumbnails is only 80mb, how many image files do you have?
[20:36] <deany> nemo, good idea...hmmmm
[20:36] <nemo> deany: setting it read only would probably work too
[20:36] <nemo> deany: personally, I set a bunch of directories to use $HOME/ramdisk
[20:36] <deany> its not huge, but I just dont want them...
[20:36] <nemo> just to speed things up
[20:36] <nemo> also means they get reset on reboot of course
[20:36] <nemo> theoretically linux caches such things, but...
[20:36] <nemo> if it is on a ramdisk it is guaranteed transient and cached :)
[20:37] <deany> I dont wanna waste ram on the useless things
[20:37] <deany> just gimme an option to say no.
[20:37]  * nemo has ram to burn :D
[20:37] <rconan> RAM is cheap these days
[20:37] <deany> I guess i`ll try the read only method first. see what happens.
[20:38] <racecar56> i dont know if i do or not...
[20:38] <rconan> between the PCs in my flat there's 22GB
[20:38] <nemo> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551171
[20:38] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/eog/+bug/255030
[20:38] <Kai_wp> Still no luck with Compiz Fusion here. Here's was happens when I try to enable it: http://pastebin.com/d7026d56f
[20:38] <racecar56> actually i have no more ram :<
[20:38] <racecar56> whatever
[20:38] <nemo> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551171#c1
[20:38] <Kai_wp> I'm running with an XFX Nvidia 8600 GT XXX.
[20:38] <nemo> deany: looks like comment #1's suggestion about wiping the thumbnail cache might work for you
[20:38] <nemo> deany: also restricting its size
[20:39] <nemo> deany: actually size is probably all you care about
[20:39] <nemo> racecar56: well, my gentoo laptop has only 96MiB of ram :)
[20:39] <nemo> racecar56: my desktop is at 4 gigabytes
[20:39] <nemo> or gibibytes :)
[20:40] <deany> what was comment #1 again?
[20:40] <racecar56> nemo, my laptop is 2GB and my desktop is also 2GB
[20:40] <nemo> deany: in the gnome bug
[20:40] <nemo> suggests setting thumbnail_cache max size/age
[20:40] <nemo> deany: I guess that means that would impact both nautilus and eog thumbnailing
[20:40] <racecar56> nemo, how old is the laptop? mine from late 2006
[20:40] <nemo> racecar56: P133
[20:41] <nemo> racecar56: I have a P100 too :D
[20:41] <racecar56> nemo, ?
[20:41] <nemo> pentium, 133MhZ
[20:41] <nemo> dunno when it was made. 98 maybe? 99?
[20:41] <racecar56> k
[20:41] <racecar56> i dont know
[20:41] <racecar56> my first comp was probably from 97
[20:42] <nemo> racecar56: heh. my first computer was a trash 80 :D
[20:42] <racecar56> yet i got it in 2003
[20:42]  * rconan has a 1998 pentium 3 900 laptop
[20:42] <deany> thx nebbes
[20:42] <arunreddy> When jaunty going to release
[20:42] <deany> i mean thx nemo
[20:42]  * racecar56 has a compaq sr1010z
[20:42] <arunreddy> !release
[20:42] <nemo> rconan: nyah nyah my laptop is wimpier than youuuurs :)
[20:42] <rconan> !outyet | arunreddy
[20:42] <rconan> nemo: you are clearly the winner
[20:42] <rconan> anyway...
[20:43] <rconan> !ot | rconan
[20:43] <arunreddy> !ot
[20:43] <Blues-Man> hi all
[20:43] <racecar56> hi
[20:43] <lupine_85> ooh, my kubuntu has megachanged
[20:43] <Blues-Man> i'm on kubuntu jaunty I can't connect through NetworkManager anymore and wlan0 interface is down at every startup
[20:44] <vart> are there other folders like .thumbnails that could be linked to /tmp to save place and clear on reboot automatically?
[20:44] <Blues-Man> I wonder why
[20:44] <lupine_85> now to get nvidia-glx working properly again
[20:45] <nemo> vart: seems to defeat the purpose of caching, no? :)
[20:45] <nemo> I like the idea of just restricting the thumbnail cache better
[20:45] <nemo> unless your uptime is decent of course
[20:45] <nemo> long uptime I suppose is roughly comparable to setting thumbnail cache expiration to a month or two
[20:46] <vart> nemo: I'm on the netbook - so I prefer to minimize disk usage even it slightly increases the latency of some operations
[20:46] <nemo> vart: SSD netbook?
[20:46] <racecar56> my hard drive on my laptop is loud
[20:46] <racecar56> ._.
[20:46] <racecar56> but i have some hard drive from y2k thats louder
[20:47] <nemo> vart: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-flash-filesystems/ - 'cause I was wondering if you'd considered one of these
[20:47] <nemo> vart: or at the very least, cranking the sync times waaaay up
[20:48] <vart> nemo: no - but still twicks for sdd helped to decrease the temperature of the netbook, I was worried before it that disk usage was extreamly high
[20:48] <nemo> vart: and allowing a higher level of fragmentation (since it doesn't matter as much with SSD)
[20:48] <nemo> vart: shame. was looking for someone to try a flash filesystem and report to me the results :)
[20:48] <nemo> vart: been considering buying the "pursebook" when it is released this year
[20:48] <nemo> like the vaio P series, but with actual, oh, linux compatibility
[20:48] <dalton2345> anyone know when i;ll be able to download the official jaunty release. how many hours
[20:49] <racecar56> hows it goin
[20:49] <racecar56> doh
[20:49] <nemo> vart: (the one by wistron)
[20:49] <Kai_wp> If Compiz Fusion won't run on my PC, then how can the "Extra" setting under the "Visual Effects" tab of "Appearance Preferences" work?
[20:49] <Pici> !outyet | dalton2345
[20:49] <racecar56> typed wrong window
[20:49] <Kai_wp> Doesn't it use Compiz?
[20:49] <Sniper606> wh not just install the RC then update
[20:49] <Sniper606> thats what im doing
[20:49] <nemo> Kai_wp: you sure it works? :)
[20:49] <racecar56> same
[20:49] <dalton2345> is it the same sniper?
[20:49] <nemo> Kai_wp: have you tried enabling it? might just check, decide there are no drivers, and abort
[20:49] <Sniper606> yep its the same
[20:50] <dalton2345> i have the rc downloaded, didnt burn it yet
[20:50] <haggisbasheruk> back in a while , installing todays latest jaunty iso
[20:50] <nemo> Kai_wp: well. this is interesting. I just tried on my semi-sucky work laptop
[20:50] <St0n3-C0l> Anyone here who uses intel driver?
[20:50] <nemo> Kai_wp: this intel card now seems to work with compiz - it didn't before...
[20:50] <Kai_wp> nemo: I seem to have this bug when attempting to use "compiz --replace" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/316214
[20:51] <St0n3-C0l> specially i810 users
[20:51] <nemo> Kai_wp: I just switched to "normal" from metacity. good times.
[20:51] <vart> nemo: thanks for the link - I will read it later
[20:51] <SilentDis> odd, i've not seen any updates come down for a day or 2 now, usually i see quite a few.
[20:51] <Kai_wp> nemo: Well, the "Extra" setting workrs for me too, but Compiz Fusion doesn't work and it used too. XD
[20:52] <racecar56> lold
[20:52] <nemo> Kai_wp: you enabled some bad plugin? *shrug*
[20:53] <Kai_wp> nemo: No I can't get Compiz Fusion to run at all, as in this bugreport https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/316214 it writes "XGL: Not present" and a long line of errors until it aborts.
[20:53] <Kai_wp> nemo: I just wonder how I can run "Extra" effects when Compiz Fusion won't run at all.
[20:54] <nemo> Kai_wp: ps auwx | grep compiz ?  :)
[20:54] <vart> SilentDis: Actually release freeze was declared on 16 when RC was released... So updates after that date should be considered strage :) - no updates in last 2 days should be ok
[20:54] <nemo> see what options *they* are passing, then try running that same commandline by hand?
[20:54] <nemo> Kai_wp: 'course, ubuntu probably uses some gconf settings...
[20:54] <nemo> Kai_wp: might have to look to see what they are setting there too. and maybe using a wrapper.
[20:54] <vinit> Hi all
[20:54] <SilentDis> vart: huh.  i am almost sure i pulled a new vid driver and kernel update since the 16th...
[20:55] <nemo> Kai_wp: hm. on my sucky system  --indirect-rendering is enabled
[20:55] <vinit> When jaunty will be available ?
[20:55] <Kai_wp> nemo: Where can I enable that
[20:55] <Kai_wp> vinit: Tommorow
[20:55] <vinit> means I am asking about time ?
[20:55] <Kai_wp> vinit: Precisely April the 22nd.
[20:56] <nemo> Kai_wp: I was just checking process list. that's what ubuntu was passing to compiz
[20:56] <ripps> !outyet | vinit
[20:56] <vinit> but here in my country it is 23rd
[20:56] <vart> SilentDis: I know... I got last update about 50-56 hours ago
[20:57] <vinit> but on down load page it is not there
[20:57] <vinit> :(
[20:57]  * lupine_85 tries to work out if this new kubuntu is pretty or not
[20:57] <vinit> ubottu what do u mean by join #ubuntu+1
[20:58] <SilentDis> lawl
[20:58]  * SilentDis hugs ubottu
[20:58] <racecar56> lawl
[20:59] <SilentDis> he's helpful... if a little dumb at times ;)
[20:59] <Halow> He's "special". ;)
[20:59] <SilentDis> rides the short open-source bus lol
[21:00] <ripps> !cookie
[21:00] <guntbert> apropos: is ubottu  here the same bot as in #ubuntu, or are these two different ?
[21:00] <SilentDis> poor abused bot.  s'ok we wuv him anyway :)
[21:00] <Halow> !snack
[21:02] <charlie-tca> !coffee
[21:02] <Kai_wp> !java
[21:02] <Kai_wp> !Multiverse
[21:02] <ripps> stop abusing the bot
[21:03] <SilentDis> it's a bit like chicken-browsing wikipedia.  you'll eventually get to kevin bacon!
[21:03]  * charlie-tca thinks poor bot is overworked
[21:03] <Kai_wp> Er, I actually don't know what the mean by Multiverse repository, so I checked
[21:03] <rconan> if you want to piss around with the bot do it in #ubuntu-bots
[21:04] <ripps> Kai_wp: use /msg if want to ask a question, that way you don't spam the channel
[21:04] <bercik> Fglrx and open drivers are already working fine in Jaunty, right?
[21:04]  * genii sips some delicious coffee
[21:04] <ripps> bercik: yes. fglrx only works rv600+
[21:05] <bercik> ripps: Thanks. And will not work with olders, will it?
[21:06] <ripps> bercik: never, amd discontinued support all models r500 and below
[21:06] <ripps> radeon is your only resource for those cards now
[21:07] <bercik> ripps: and radeon driver doesnt support full 3D?
[21:07] <ripps> bercik: depends on your card, newer cards, not so much
[21:07] <bercik> OK, one more thing: How to downgrade to XServer 1.5?
[21:07] <ripps> Install Ubuntu 8.10 or less
[21:08] <bercik> ripps: not possible to just downgrade?
[21:08] <ripps> nope
[21:08] <racecar56> i have a computer with a rv280se
[21:08] <bercik> damn
[21:08] <racecar56> !whee
[21:08] <racecar56> !wheee
[21:08] <racecar56> !wheee
[21:08] <racecar56> !wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:08] <racecar56> hee hee
[21:08] <ripps> racecar56: leave the poor bot alone
[21:10] <racecar56> does 6.06 have xserver 1.5?
[21:11] <crdlb> racecar56: much older
[21:12] <crdlb> !info xserver-xorg-core dapper
[21:12] <racecar56> lol 1.0
[21:12] <racecar56> !info xserver-xorg-core fiesty
[21:12] <racecar56> lol
[21:12] <racecar56> !info xserver-xorg-core gutsy
[21:13] <racecar56> 1.3...
[21:13] <racecar56> !info xserver-xorg-core hardy
[21:13] <crdlb> stop that
[21:13] <racecar56> im done
[21:13] <crdlb> what are you looking for?
[21:13] <racecar56> just looking at info
[21:13] <racecar56> finding out the xserver versions for distro versions
[21:13] <ripps> racecar56: if want to ask a bot a question use /msg ubottu
[21:13] <piksi> racecar56: you can do that in query
[21:13] <racecar56> oh
[21:13] <racecar56> k
[21:14] <rconan> or in #ubuntu-bots
[21:15] <racecar56> i wanna leave now.. im pretty much donbe chatting.. cya later
[21:15] <ripps> later
[21:15] <racecar56> bye
[21:17] <blag> is there an eta as to when the 2.6.29 kernel is expected to arrive in the jaunty repos?
[21:17] <maxb> blag: never
[21:17] <Halow> !outyet
[21:19] <blag> i know its not out yet...when it does come out, will i be able to get the 2.6.29 kernel from the repos at some point?
[21:19] <glootech> hi, lulz
[21:19] <jacob> blag: not from the archives, no
[21:20] <jacob> blag: if you would like to test a mainline kernel (no ubuntu patches) you'll find info on that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[21:21] <ripps> jacob beat me to it
[21:21] <milkncat> When is the release date for ubuntu 9.04 ?
[21:21] <kklimonda> milkncat: when it's done
[21:21] <kklimonda> milkncat: tomorrow/today based on your local time
[21:21] <ripps> !outyet |milkncat
[21:22] <blag> jacob: ah, thanks.
[21:23] <ripps> Hmm... there needs to be a bot alias for mainline
[21:23] <racecar56> ive decided ill come back
[21:23] <ripps> Or at least mention it with the kernel alias
[21:23] <racecar56> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic 5446 GD
[21:25] <jacob> !mainline is If you're looking to try out a mainline kernel (ie, no Ubuntu patches), visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds at your own peril.
[21:25] <jacob> now someone just has to approve it
[21:26] <ienorand> Is anyone else seing very odd behaviour in evince... If I mark text in a pdf it also marks a huge chunk on the opposite column, making copy-paste impossible: e.g. the end of http://departments.colgate.edu/physics/faculty/EGalvez/articles/ajpbs02.pdf (see "acknowledgements" particularly)
[21:29] <cougarten> hi, is my homefolder decrypted when the screensaver requires authentification on activity (I encrypted my homefolder with the alternate installer (jaunty))
[21:29] <blag> ienorand: yes, i see the same thing
[21:30] <joaopinto> ienorand, yes, same here
[21:30] <cougarten> and btw, It seems to be possible to encrypt the disk and the homefolder with the alternate install CD, maybe there should be a note so you don't encrypt it twice because you are scared the first selection on encrypt might not include home
[21:31] <blag> ienorand: griffiths is a good text, i must say.  im staring at mine now.  :-)
[21:31] <ripps> I don't see the point in encrypting your entire /home, If I have some really secret stuff (e.g. porn) I'll just the encrypted /Private folder
[21:31] <rconan> ripps: things like .ssh and .gnupg being encrypted is often nice
[21:32] <rconan> same with .firefox and .thunderbird now I thinik
[21:32] <ripps> rconan: those can just be symlinked from the Private directory
[21:32] <cougarten> I have a spare computer so I can mix real need and proof of concept :)
[21:32] <rconan> easier to just encrypt /home as far as I see
[21:32] <rconan> if the proc can handle it
[21:32] <racecar56> brb
[21:32] <joaopinto> cougarten, your home folder is not generally decrypted, it is decrypted on a per need basis, with the keys retrieved during login
[21:33] <joaopinto> cougarten, unlocking with the screensaver has no effect on your data
[21:33] <joaopinto> ripps, it's safer to assume all your data is private, unless you want it to be public
[21:34] <ripps> It just seems an unneeded level of secrecy, that's all
[21:34] <cougarten> joaopinto: so it can be partitially decrypted? (somwhere on the way between a programm requesting a file and reciving the decrypted file)
[21:34] <nztal> joaopinto, do you know, if its difficult to reinstall ubuntu, if you have a encrypted /home, keeping your /home data ?  given that you'd be formatting /
[21:34] <joaopinto> cougarten, yes, that is how it works
[21:35] <cougarten> nztal I could copy the home decrypted or take it allong encrypted. After the install there is a note that you need a secure key which was generated to encrypt it.
[21:35] <cougarten> joaopinto: great :)
[21:35] <joaopinto> nztal, I am not using an encrypted home, but it shouldn't be hard, just make sure you read how-to before doing it :P
[21:36] <ienorand> blag: bleh... means that evince's marking system is borked. Seem to find ongoing work upstream though (after a bit of bug-sniffing): http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325189 &https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4006
[21:37] <Ahmuck> someone told me 9.04 was out ?
[21:37] <nztal> cougarten, that is a particular phrase, which i have printed out.  would that be good enough ?
[21:37] <joaopinto> !notyet
[21:37] <blag> the sad part is that i dont even get annoyed when gnome stuff doesnt work anymore...
[21:37] <kklimonda> !release > Ahmuck
[21:37] <cougarten> nztal: you will decrypt by typing your userpasswort which unlocks the real password used for encryption
[21:37]  * ienorand didn't know ubottu handled bugzilla as well...
[21:38] <cougarten> nztal: that real password is randomly generated
[21:38] <BUGabundo> guud evening !
[21:38] <joaopinto> hello BUGabundo
[21:38] <BUGabundo> nice to see all this usual _faces_
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:39] <charlie-tca> !outyet
[21:39] <ienorand> Hia BUGabundo
[21:40] <charlie-tca> The fun is just beginning
[21:40] <nztal> cougarten, ok thanks.  i think i'll have to reinstall, just to find out.  i may wish to change my user password, and i cannot do that right now, without locking me out of gnome.  on reinstallation, i simply want to keep my encrypted /home user data
[21:40] <cougarten> btw: my ubuntu froze a few days ago while shutting down after an update, I had to reset and now grub or the MBR or something is broken. Is that a common problem or did I/my PC fucked it up on its own?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: charlie-tca: ienorand hi back
[21:40] <cougarten> nztal: you have to choose the alternate installer (in case you didn't know)
[21:41] <xemacs23456> cougarten, use bootable cd/dvd and see if you can look around
[21:41] <nztal> cougarten, yes thats what i used to encrypt it.  maybe thats why i couldn't keep the data a long time ago, when i tried to preserve the data.  i may be worrying about a whole lot of nothing.  :)
[21:41] <cougarten> xemacs23456: I can, but all the grub tricks didnt work (but they changed something at least)
[21:42] <xemacs23456> cougarten, what type of filesystem, can you check and repair it from the dvd ?
[21:43] <cougarten> ACPI: Aborted because invalid compressed format (err=1).  [...] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable tu mount root fs unknown-block(0,0)
[21:44] <cougarten> xemacs23456: ext4 :) maybe a bad Idea
[21:44] <xemacs23456> cougarten, fsck is equivalent if chckdsk
[21:44] <xemacs23456> cougarten, yes you may loose data  with sck
[21:45] <cougarten> xemacs23456 guessed that, it can just be run from the normal install version, right?
[21:45] <cougarten> xemacs23456 luckily there's not to much to lose
[21:45] <xemacs23456> i think so i have not used ext4
[21:45] <nztal> i am now trying to make room at the beginning of a laptop hard drive, because at the end of the hard drive is a recovery partition for a windows installation on a laptop, is that a problem, installing ubuntu, at the beginning of a laptop, with recovery partition at the end ?  i've made the recovery disks.
[21:45] <cougarten> does it make a read speed difference on an ssd?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> nztal: on newer systems there is no prob where you place it
[21:46] <cougarten> nztal should be no problem, but I'm no pro either :)
[21:46] <nztal> thanks BUGabundo
[21:47] <BUGabundo> nztal: on some older ones /boot was required t obe under the 1024 sectors limit
[21:47] <nztal> last laptop was stolen :/
[21:47] <nztal> ty
[21:47] <BUGabundo> nztal: makes backups and use encription this time eheh
[21:47] <nztal> yep
[21:48] <cougarten> thx and bye
[21:49] <BUGabundo> cougarten: leaving us already?
[21:50] <cougarten> BUGabundo: I don't think I could be much help :)
[21:50] <racecar56> back
[21:50] <cougarten> but I can stay aswell :) thank you
[21:50] <Ventero> Anyone got an idea how to make my gnome panel start up automatically when I log in...?
[21:51] <racecar56> dosen't it already
[21:51] <racecar56> ?
[21:51] <jpds> Ventero: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[21:51] <BUGabundo> cougarten: any one can, on their own way
[21:51] <Sniper606> Ventero, hit alt-f2, then type in gnome-panel
[21:52] <jpds> Ventero: NO, don't do that, misread question.
[21:52] <Ventero> Sniper: That's not automatically ;P
[21:52] <cougarten> okey, good. than I'll stay. I like to contribute a bit :)
[21:52] <Sniper606> yah it works
[21:52] <Ventero> racecar56: No, it doesn't do that anymore :(
[21:52] <Sniper606> trust me
[21:52] <racecar56> jpds, im running 9.04 :>
[21:52] <Sniper606> ive had it dissapear on me before
[21:52] <Ventero> jpds: Ooookay o_O
[21:52] <jpds> racecar56: Cool.
[21:52] <Sniper606> when you shutdown choose save session
[21:52] <Sniper606> and when you restart it will work normally
[21:52] <jpds> Ventero: I read 'GDM' instead of 'gnome panel'.
[21:52] <Ventero> Sniper606: Tried it, didn't help
[21:52] <racecar56> jpds, i like it, it IS faster, just one thing i won't have ext4 as i upgraded
[21:53] <racecar56> jpds, and xvidcap works AWESOME
[21:53] <racecar56> does xvidcap record sound?
[21:53] <jpds> racecar56: Yeah, but you can convert ext3 to ext4.
[21:53] <racecar56> jpds, orly? im interested
[21:53] <racecar56> jpds, without losing data, right?
[21:53] <kklimonda> yes
[21:54] <racecar56> k00l
[21:54] <ribo> there's some caveat to going from 3 -> 4
[21:54] <jpds> racecar56: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4#head-3891522e0601162aab24c73c1f148a1e28c6a9d4
[21:54] <ribo> like some features that won't work
[21:54] <ribo> iirc
[21:55] <Ventero> So, anyone else got an idea? :/
[21:56] <sherwin> hello. How do I register a nickname?
[21:56] <racecar56> !register
[21:58] <sherwin> thanks. Now, I have my wifi card working in my desktop using ndiswrapper. How do i make the ndiswrapper module load on boot? apparently, something is different in jaunty
[21:58] <racecar56> sherwin, add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules?
[21:59] <sherwin> actually, nevermind, I think i just found the file,  /etc/modules
[21:59] <sherwin> sorry, beat me to it:)
[22:00] <sherwin> one more thing. I have two networks, a private and an unencrypted. I need help figuring out why this computer will not connect to the WPA network. The unencrypted works fine. My laptop works fine, its running Jaunty as well. But not the desktop. Wifi card is a netgear wg311v3
[22:00] <racecar56> does 8.04 work with rtl8029AS?
[22:00] <Ventero> Just to make sure: Gconf-editor says  /desktop/gnome/session/required_components_list is [windowmanager,panel,filemanager]. Doesn't that mean that it should start those 3 components whenever I log in? :/
[22:01] <unitedpotsmokers> hello, when jaunty jacklope will release?
[22:01] <cougarten> tomorrow
[22:02] <svu> I cannot get any sound from jaunty (ppc), how could I debug that?
[22:02] <crimsun> svu: use: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[22:02] <cougarten> is the wpa+wpa2 encryption bug solved?
[22:03] <ienorand> cougarten: What bug? ( I think I might be ill as well :) )
[22:03] <cougarten> hmm, wifi does not connect than. I search for the bugreport, brb
[22:04] <haggisbasheruk> lol @ night rider bootup :)
[22:04] <BUGabundo> crimsun: new nick?
[22:04] <crimsun> BUGabundo: no, just forgot to switch
[22:04] <crimsun> (and no point now in using /nick)
[22:04] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:05] <cougarten> ienorand having rt2860 (its in the EEE PC 901/1000)
[22:05] <cougarten> ?
[22:06] <ienorand> cougarten: No: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)... so maybe not the same problem then...
[22:06] <cougarten> yea, than it's something different
[22:07] <BUGabundo> crimsun: are you busy? I have a loco user requesting help with PA
[22:07] <sherwin> cougarten: you using ndiswrapper?
[22:07] <crimsun> BUGabundo: not atm
[22:07] <BUGabundo> crimsun: no prob. thanks anyway
[22:08] <cougarten> sherwin on my EEE? no
[22:08] <crimsun> BUGabundo: err, that was "no, i'm not busy atm"
[22:08] <sherwin> is that what you're having trouble connecting WPA with?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> eheheh crimsun I better sleep more! LOL
[22:08] <cougarten> sherwin: no need to help I just switched to wpa2
[22:09] <sherwin> just curious. My laptop with Atheros connects just fine to my WPA2, but this desktop i am working on for a friend will not connect to it using ndiswrapper's WG311V3 driver.
[22:09] <cougarten> but my Netgear wg311v3 USB does not work (without the wrapper too, but I don't need that stick either)
[22:09] <sherwin> cougarten: the wg311 is working for me on my unencrypted network.
[22:09] <cougarten> sherwin i found an alternative to the wrapper, one moment
[22:10] <sherwin> I think I'll just tell sherwin to unencrypt their home network :) they dont have a neighbor for about five miles either direction
[22:11] <BUGabundo> crimsun: here is xhaker asking for help
[22:11] <BUGabundo> introductions done, now lets fix it!
[22:11] <cougarten> sherwin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6759228&postcount=68
[22:13] <xhaker> crimsun: first ubuntu install in this machine.. current cdimages.. no sound.. p5q-em board with ich10.. also it says Realtek ALC1200
[22:14] <cougarten> sherwin: anything I could try with my Netgear? otherwise I'll shutdown that mashine and use the monitor for something else
[22:14] <erle-> jaunty will be released soon but the kernel still does not boot up on my machine
[22:14] <sherwin> sorry, just got a phonecall, let me read and catch  up
[22:14] <Daskreech> Can I configure the notification?
[22:15] <Daskreech> Like Can I turn some programs off from using it?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> xhaker: wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and run it
[22:16] <sherwin> cougarten: this one is the desktop card, not usb. looks like it used a marvell chipset
[22:17] <sherwin> 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03
[22:17] <cougarten> sherwin: k, sry
[22:17] <sherwin> no prob, every little bit helps
[22:17] <BUGabundo> crimsun: ping ?
[22:17] <Daskreech> I don't really mind if it's turning them off from notifying all together or having them use another notification system
[22:18] <kklimonda> Daskreech: some applications has options regarding notifications. But not all of them.
[22:18] <Daskreech> kklimonda: So it's just from the applications POV then
[22:18] <Daskreech> That makes sense actually
[22:19] <BUGabundo> xhaker: crimsun seems to be away no :\ still run that and post the link
[22:19] <racecar56> brb
[22:19] <BUGabundo> xhaker: or file a bug with $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[22:19] <kklimonda> Daskreech: there is going to be do-not-disturb mode (when notifications aren't displayed but logged to ~/.config/notfy-osd.log) in notify-osd but ETA is uknown to me.
[22:19] <Daskreech> So there is not going to be any configuration for the notification system
[22:20] <Daskreech> Or at least non is planned?
[22:20] <Daskreech> none
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Daskreech: not for this cycle!
[22:20] <kklimonda> Daskreech: Last time I was reading about notify-osd developers' point of view was that no configuration is required.
[22:21] <kklimonda> yeah, that too.
[22:21] <Daskreech> Ok so if I don't want something to notify turn it off I f idon't want it to use this NOtification system I'm SOL ?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> maco: ping. is crimsun still online? available?
[22:21] <calc> Daskreech: iirc you can uninstall the notify-osd package
[22:21] <kklimonda> Daskreech: if applications doesn't provide any way of setting it then yes, yoo are out of luck.
[22:22] <BUGabundo> calc: I guess its better we don't start advertising that!
[22:22] <Daskreech> calc: Yeah I've heard about a gnome-scintellia package aswell
[22:22] <rconan> not sure if this counts as on topic but... what is an inode? what does using different sizes do? and how does it effect performance on ext3
[22:22] <BUGabundo> or else we will have users on a poor state to debug latter
[22:22] <crimsun> BUGabundo: sorry, connection issues
[22:22] <thiebaude> hi BUGabundo
[22:22] <BUGabundo> Daskreech: straciatela
[22:22] <Daskreech> rconan: it's the anchor for a file name
[22:22] <Daskreech> BUGabundo: Thanks what's the implications of that?
[22:22] <crimsun> xhaker: please run `ubuntu-bug alsa-base'
[22:22] <rconan> Daskreech: what difference does bigger or smaller ones make?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> crimsun: np! what's up with your net? I keep hearing about probs there!
[22:23] <Daskreech> rconan: what are you speaking on? Numbers of Inodes?
[22:23] <crimsun> BUGabundo: if i knew, i'd be in trouble
[22:23] <kklimonda> Daskreech: removing notify-osd will delete ubuntu-desktop meta package and there may be problems during next release upgrade.
[22:24] <rconan> Daskreech: one of the filesystem creation options is inode size and ext2-ifs for windows doesn't support large ones so I was wondering if using smaller than default would make a difference
[22:24] <Daskreech> kklimonda: No I meant for the gnome-straciatela
[22:25] <Daskreech> rconan: Ah Umm that might be block size.
[22:25] <kklimonda> Daskreech: oh -  gnome-straciatella-session adds "Upstream GNOME" session to GDM.
[22:25] <kklimonda> Daskreech: when you launch it you will get notification-daemon instead of notify-osd.
[22:25] <kklimonda> Daskreech: and few more minor changes (hidden indicator-applet, mainstream mail notification for evolution).
[22:26] <Daskreech> GnomeShell? :)
[22:26] <kklimonda> no
[22:26] <kklimonda> gnome-shell is still in development
[22:26] <haggisbasheruk> i am all Jauntied up with todays latest image :) running great so far on Acer Aspire One A150 , very fast boot and responsive
[22:26] <Daskreech> GnomeShell is planned as an option for Gnome+1 ?
[22:27] <Daskreech> I know I'm running the Git now
[22:27] <kklimonda> Daskreech: i've heard they are thinking about including it in 2.30/3.0 release
[22:27] <haggisbasheruk> is todays image whats being released tommorrow ?
[22:27] <kklimonda> Daskreech: but so far nothing final about it..
[22:28] <airtonix> question: intrepid killed the font preview thumbnailer in nautilus. Is it back in jaunty?
[22:28] <cowgarden> I dislike nautilus :)
[22:28] <Daskreech> ah as I had understood it would be something to play with in 2.28 and the default in 2.30 with a possible option to revert to default
[22:28] <haggisbasheruk> hi khunt
[22:28] <Daskreech> cowgarden: pcmanfm or dolphin :)
[22:28] <khunt> hi
[22:28] <Daskreech> Or thunar
[22:28] <khunt> what you doing here :-)
[22:28] <haggisbasheruk> just installed todays daily image :)
[22:29] <haggisbasheruk> i am nosey :P
[22:29] <cowgarden> Daskreech: yea, pcman was nortoncommander-like, right?
[22:29] <airtonix> cowgarden, no
[22:29] <cowgarden> oh so I mixed them up. have to make a filebrowserinstall-session one day
[22:30] <airtonix> pcmanfm is a simplified clone of windows explorer
[22:30] <khunt> i am trying to create a .desktop file to launch a script but it keeps saying unable in initiate child process ./3gdial.sh no such file or directory but I know for a fact it lies and that the script is excecutable
[22:30] <g4lv4tr0n> what times the jaunty release ?
[22:30] <ellar> will jaunty have bittorrent link http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent so i can program a scipt to download it in night?
[22:30] <airtonix> question: intrepid killed the font preview thumbnailer in nautilus. Is it back in jaunty?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> this is a bit OT, but anyone knows where I can get jaunty artwork to print and set on a stand for jaunty launch?
[22:31] <ienorand> Apr 22 15:59:49 Mell kernel: [73349.810469] iwlagn: MAC is in deep sleep! < could this, from kern.log, be a reasom for wpa not working?
[22:31] <Daskreech> Kubuntu ships with the weather plugin for Jackalope?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> Daskreech: should!
[22:31] <airtonix> wtb answer
[22:32] <khunt> haggis is it safe to upgrade kuki yet?
[22:32] <khunt> does it still break?
[22:33] <haggisbasheruk> i would think it would be fine now but intel driver is a mess now :(
[22:33] <khunt> how bad?
[22:33] <khunt> Intel driver has been poor for a couple of kernels
[22:33] <haggisbasheruk> artifacts on GL
[22:34] <thiebaude> khunt: you have an intel graphics card?
[22:34] <khunt> I have 2
[22:34] <thiebaude> is your X freezing?
[22:34] <khunt> one in my dell
[22:34] <haggisbasheruk> inly been runnning for 5-10 minst khunt so have not messed with things yet
[22:34] <khunt> and one in my aa1
[22:34] <khunt> I am on dell now
[22:34] <khunt> seems fine
[22:35] <khunt> not freezing
[22:35] <khunt> am all up to date too
[22:35] <thiebaude> yea, i fixed my problem yesterday
[22:35] <haggisbasheruk> glxgears stutters :(
[22:35] <khunt> bummer
[22:35] <khunt> i am having .desktop issues
[22:35] <admin_masu3701> when is 9.04 coming safe to install?
[22:36] <Tekno> tomorrow
[22:36]  * haggisbasheruk is running todays daily image
[22:36] <joaopinto> admin_masu3701, 9.04 is already safe to install, not final yet
[22:36] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: either never or 2 months ago
[22:37] <cowgarden> admin_masu3701: and for shure in 2 month XD
[22:37] <mrwes> safe?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> cowgarden: are you sure ? LOL
[22:37] <admin_masu3701> joapinto: i had the beta version but my wireless card couldnt work
[22:37] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: let me put it this way: if you are scared, just keep what you have
[22:37] <Halow> !outyet | admin_masu3701
[22:37] <xhaker> crimsun: bug 365292
[22:38] <BUGabundo> xhaker: hey tas bibo
[22:38] <crimsun> xhaker: ok, will look soon
[22:38] <xhaker> BUGabundo: a net no desktop é feia :)
[22:38] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:38] <xemacs23456> who do i talk to about contributing to ubuntu ?
[22:38] <admin_masu3701> am just making sure that my wireless will work..
[22:39] <Daskreech> admin_masu3701: should be safe but try the live CD
[22:39] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: just beeing here, you already can contribute
[22:39] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: what are you good at?
[22:39] <kaali> anyone here knows when it will be released?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: did you file a bug for it?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> kaali: sure
[22:40] <xemacs23456> qa, c, c++, perl, it
[22:40] <BUGabundo> kaali: its shedule for tomorrow
[22:40] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: guess #ubuntu-motu would be a good point to start!
[22:40] <kaali> i ment time..   allready 23.4 here.. :D
[22:40] <xemacs23456> or i can even mentor
[22:40] <Daskreech> kaali: Need to get it the minute it comes out?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> kaali: humm 22:40 here
[22:40] <xemacs23456> ty BUGabundo
[22:40] <admin_masu3701> Daskreech: ok
[22:40] <kaali> cuz i'd like to "donate" my 100mbit to distributing it
[22:41] <thiebaude> 5:20pm here
[22:41] <admin_masu3701> BUGabundo: no
[22:41] <BUGabundo> kaali: if history teachs us something, 16-20h GMT
[22:41] <thiebaude> wron time
[22:41] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: then how do expect it to be known by the devs and keep you posted on the fix???
[22:41] <mrwes> kaali, so grab the torrent and seed back
[22:41] <kaali> mrwes: thats what i had in mind..
[22:42] <BUGabundo> mrwes: not just "a" torrent, but all of them ehehe kaali
[22:42] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: but feel free to tag along in here, and help fix bugs!
[22:42] <kaali> too bad i have to go to work at 15pm +2 gmt
[22:42] <dalton2345> first there first serve eh
[22:43] <admin_masu3701> is 9.04 all different thn the 8.10? what are the new stuff?
[22:43] <mrwes> sigh...
[22:43] <khunt> read the changelog
[22:43] <khunt> on the website
[22:43] <kaali> maybe if i could somehow get .torrent(s) before release..?
[22:43] <charlie-tca> It is only 21:43 GMT now
[22:43] <mrwes> admin_masu3701, it's 0.94 better
[22:43] <Daskreech> kaali: Yes you could and no one would be on them
[22:43] <kaali> so those will be waitin in my torrent client til "seeder" comes up
[22:44] <xemacs23456> seems like more teaching basic admin skills here and main channel
[22:44] <kaali> Daskreech: i know
[22:44] <kaali> Daskreech: plz tell me where
[22:44] <Daskreech> admin_masu3701: Read the changelog :-)
[22:45] <BUGabundo> kaali: get the daily images
[22:45] <BUGabundo> and the rsync tomorrow if anything changes, force check and seed them
[22:45] <mrwes> I didn't see any updated today aye?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: if #ubuntu is your like, sure! its too *crowd* for me, and many of us here
[22:46] <BUGabundo> mrwes: no changes here either
[22:46] <admin_masu3701> Daskreech: what the link to the site?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> ubuntu.com admin_masu3701 LOL
[22:46] <kaali> BUGabundo: i dont need images..    just .torrent.. :D
[22:46] <mrwes> BUGabundo, you got my addicted to gnome-do
[22:46] <BUGabundo> admin_masu3701: or http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[22:46] <mrwes> me*
[22:46] <kaali> so i can be there tire after release.. to seed like mofo
[22:46] <xemacs23456> i have very high speed connection , just sampling channels now, trying to decide if i want debian or ubuntu
[22:46] <BUGabundo> kaali: but I can just get the images, and just seed them
[22:47] <BUGabundo> mrwes: I told you
[22:47] <Daskreech> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview
[22:47] <Daskreech> xemacs23456: How experienced are you with Linux?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> xemacs23456: eheh Ubuntu please? or both
[22:49] <fincan> when?
[22:49] <Halow> !outyet | fincan
[22:49] <haggisbasheruk> when the wind blows your way fincan :P
[22:50] <fincan> lol
[22:50] <fincan> just trying sweety bots :)
[22:50] <BUGabundo> fincan: Halow is not a bot!
[22:51] <Halow> Not last I checked, anyway. ;)
[22:51] <fincan> ubottu?
[22:51] <fincan> :D
[22:51] <haggisbasheruk> fincan: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:52] <fincan> haggisbasheruk: final?
[22:52] <haggisbasheruk> or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:52] <haggisbasheruk> just do an update tommorrow for any changes
[22:52] <cowgarden> BUGabundo: kaali want's to go to sleep and make his computer seed as soon as possible without further interaction
[22:53] <kaali> cowgarden: pretty much
[22:53] <kaali> and work tomorrow so i cant sit on the computer waitin when it will be released
[22:53] <foogmaa> actually, it should be out in 14 hours, give or take 12 hours
[22:54] <BUGabundo> cowgarden: kaali there are no FINAL torrents yet on torrents.ubutnu.com:6969
[22:54] <cowgarden> .. I know
[22:54] <cowgarden> but it was possible to set them up allready, wasn't it?
[22:54] <kaali> rss would be nice
[22:55] <BUGabundo> cowgarden: NO. it needs the hash
[22:56] <ferronica> hello people
[22:56] <ferronica> so ubuntu 9.04 OUT???////
[22:56] <crimsun> xhaker: please unmute 'Surround', 'Center', 'LFE', 'Side'
[22:56] <haggisbasheruk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ then update tommorow ferronica
[22:57] <ferronica> this one is RC
[22:57] <ferronica> not final one :(
[22:57] <haggisbasheruk> its daily image
[22:57] <ferronica> ya i know
[22:57] <ferronica> but i need final release :)
[22:57] <Halow> As long as you update it will be the final release.
[22:57] <ferronica> i will wait
[22:57] <Halow> !final
[22:57] <joaopinto> so just wait
[22:58] <haggisbasheruk> lol
[22:58] <ferronica> lol
[22:58] <ferronica> but there is no official release of final version though
[22:58] <noren> i upgraded from the 8.10 will i have to change the repo list now
[22:58] <pinnerup_> Any ideas when tomorrow JJ will be released? Thing is I've been asked to do an intro to Ubuntu to a smaller crowd tomorrow evening (about 18 hours from now) and it would be really neat if I could use the new version instead of II. (The coinciding date was incidental.)
[22:58] <Daskreech> pinnerup_: get the daily
[22:59] <xhaker> crimsun: not sound yet
[22:59] <Daskreech> They won't know the difference
[22:59] <thiebaude> already 99 people in #ubuntu-release-party
[22:59] <pinnerup_> Daskreech: That's probably right. It doesn't say?
[22:59] <ferronica> this 8.10 release buggy
[22:59] <crimsun> xhaker: and if you mute 'IEC958'?
[22:59] <Daskreech> ferronica: Seems ok For Kubuntu
[22:59] <ferronica> :S
[22:59] <crimsun> xhaker: as a heads-up, your codec isn't well-supported in jaunty
[22:59] <noren> hi Daskreech
[22:59] <Daskreech> Hi
[22:59] <ferronica> my keyborad multimedia keys didnt worked
[23:00] <crimsun> xhaker: you really want a git snapshot of alsa-driver - not even 1.0.19 is new enough
[23:00] <fincan> when?
[23:00] <fincan> :D
[23:00] <ferronica> using Microsoft laser mouse and KB 6000 version 2.0
[23:00] <cowgarden> BUGabundo: the hash.. got it now :)
[23:00] <Gullstad> I'm guessing ubuntu stable wont be released when time hits 00:00? =)
[23:01] <ferronica> here 23rd 3:00AM
[23:01] <Halow> Depends what time zone... and which day you're talking about.
[23:01] <ferronica> but no update
[23:01] <BUGabundo> noren: WHAT????
[23:01] <BUGabundo> noren: don't manually change the sources.list
[23:01] <BUGabundo> noren: use $ update-manager -d ! it will do it all for you
[23:02] <xhaker> crimsun: eek.. i's seeing Null Output (PulseAudio Mixer) on the sound preferences
[23:02] <Anyoseyo> soo...
[23:02] <Anyoseyo> how much longer til release :)
[23:03] <xhaker> crimsun: i should be seeing HDA Intel there right?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> Anyoseyo: several hours
[23:03] <crimsun> xhaker: what's the output from: pactl stat|grep ^D
[23:04] <xhaker> crimsun: default sink and default_source auto_null{,.monitor}
[23:04] <crimsun> xhaker: yeah, that's a problem.
[23:04] <ah7013> i'm running the janunty release candidate will i be able to upgrade to the final version when it comes out?
[23:05] <noren_> i upgraded from the 8.10 will i have to change the repo list now after the official realeas
[23:05] <Anyoseyo> and how will you upgrade?
[23:05] <crimsun> xhaker: are the basics working? i.e., pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0
[23:05] <Halow> ah7013: Yes, just keep doing your daily upgrades and it will be the final.
[23:05] <ah7013> thanks
[23:05] <Halow> Updates even.
[23:06] <BUGabundo> ah7013: yes you can! just run update-manager
[23:06] <xhaker> crimsun: nope.. open error -22 invalid argument
[23:06] <BUGabundo> noren_: stop saying stupid stuff! why would you have to do that?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> who here wants to open a poll to vote Gnome DO in the Desktop Seed for Karmic Koala? ?
[23:07] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: yes
[23:08] <noren_> y so rude
[23:08] <Halow> Desktop Seed?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> noren_ sorry! didn't mean to be! I'm just asking
[23:08] <crimsun> xhaker: much as i suspected. you'll likely need http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.bz2
[23:08] <BUGabundo> Halow: the seed that states what will be installed in the desktop version
[23:09] <BUGabundo> noren_: also start the conversation with the nick of the person you want to talk to
[23:09] <JerkyBoys> will 9.04 be released at midnight?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> JerkyBoys: no, not exacly
[23:09] <BUGabundo> why?
[23:09] <JerkyBoys> just wonderin
[23:09] <Daisuke-Ido> JerkyBoys: it will be released when it's released.
[23:10] <foogmaa> it's usually released around noon GMT give or take about 8 hours
[23:10] <JerkyBoys> i go into work late tomorrow, so just wondering if anyone know when
[23:10] <Anyoseyo> all these anxious people >.<
[23:10] <JerkyBoys> hehe
[23:10] <thiebaude> yup
[23:10] <JerkyBoys> i am excited
[23:10] <Daisuke-Ido> foogmaa: should have just said +/- 12 hours :D
[23:10]  * Anyoseyo just installed 8.10, and will now need to update
[23:10] <Halow> BUGabundo: But what about K/Xubuntu? I realized while trying Xubuntu (and knowing I can't live without Do) that I needed to install a LOAD of GNOME things just to meet dependencies for the plugins.
[23:10] <Daisuke-Ido> JerkyBoys: so upgrade now
[23:10] <foogmaa> lol
[23:10] <BUGabundo> man... I scared another user! am I that rude?
[23:10] <xhaker> crimsun: thanks for the help.
[23:11] <JerkyBoys> upgrade to what, 9.04 is not out
[23:11] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: your kewl
[23:11] <gotsanity> anyone got any experience running a wine program in a dedicated x server?
[23:11] <foogmaa> i've never seen a release that went up at 1800 GMT though, it's always earlier
[23:11] <BUGabundo> JerkyBoys: I've been running jaunty since november! for me its just another day
[23:11] <Daisuke-Ido> JerkyBoys: it's a release candidate.  if you upgrade now and keep up with the updates, you'll already HAVE the release version.
[23:11] <JerkyBoys> i dont like beta's or RC's
[23:11] <BUGabundo> Anyoseyo: please read the release notes
[23:11] <Daisuke-Ido> it's not lie everything is going to change in a matter of hours
[23:11] <BUGabundo> then $ update-manager -d
[23:12] <Daskreech> Halow: Kubuntu has krunner
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Halow: DO works on Xub, but that is another seed, and I bet the core devs don't want the bloadt that DO brings
[23:12] <Daisuke-Ido> JerkyBoys: besides, at this point, the RC is final, since all that's left is packaging and such.  there will likely be no major changes to packages from this point until release
[23:12] <Halow> Ahh... I tried Kubuntu for about all of a day and made a u-turn for gnome. :)
[23:12] <JerkyBoys> i read they will be correcting the ext4 issue
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Daisuke-Ido: JerkyBoys: its not even RC. its archive current stat
[23:13] <BUGabundo> s/stat/state
[23:13] <JerkyBoys> its no worries, i can wait
[23:13] <Jacxz> any eta on final? :p
[23:13] <Daisuke-Ido> BUGabundo: upgrading from intrepid at this point is to current, but installing from an RC cd would be just that, RC.
[23:13] <Daisuke-Ido> Jacxz: when it's done
[23:13] <Jacxz> ^^
[23:14] <Daisuke-Ido> sometime in the next, oh, 25 hours
[23:14] <BUGabundo> Daisuke-Ido: actually tehre were some _minor_ changes to RC
[23:14] <leprechau> quick question....what timezone does the countdown on the official site use?
[23:14] <Daisuke-Ido> BUGabundo: and doing updates after installing RC would bring that into line with the current
[23:14] <Daisuke-Ido> -the
[23:14] <BUGabundo> of course
[23:14] <BUGabundo> leprechau: no idea! UK maybe?
[23:15] <Halow> This is why everyone should just switch to UTC. ;)
[23:15] <Jacxz> UK is over so nope
[23:15] <leprechau> BUGabundo, hehe i was just wondering...i finally convinced my wife to let me linuxcize her laptop and I don't want to wait to long and let that oppurtunity expire
[23:16] <leprechau> also..didn't want to download a whole iso and have to do it again 24hrs later
[23:16] <BUGabundo> leprechau: you won't! you can rsync the changes
[23:16] <Halow> rsync! Because BUGabundo keeps pushing it. ;)
[23:16] <BUGabundo> and some users told me they can do the same with torrents
[23:16] <thiebaude> :)
[23:16] <ienorand> leprechau: It shouldn't make a difference
[23:16]  * BUGabundo me loves rsync Halow
[23:16] <leprechau> yeah...but im anal retentive...i want to get a real 9.04 release cd ... not have to write RC on it with my sharpie ;p
[23:17] <leprechau> but i guess you are right
[23:17] <BUGabundo> then do a netboot install LOL
[23:17] <leprechau> i could rsync the iso
[23:18] <x-ip> anybody knows at which hour will be 9.04 isos uploaded and the mirrors ready to upgrade ? :D
[23:18] <Daisuke-Ido> !outyet
[23:18] <x-ip> at 00 am ?
[23:18] <kklimonda>  no
[23:18] <x-ip> i'm at ubuntu+1 hehe
[23:18] <Daisuke-Ido> x-ip: but you apparently didn't read the rest of it
[23:18] <Daisuke-Ido> there is no predetermined time when it will be.
[23:18] <leprechau> LOL
[23:18] <leprechau> * Topic for #ubuntu-release-party is: Ubuntu (9.04) Jaunty Jackalope is due some time on 23rd April 2009 | Channel guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties for parties in your zone | Every time you ask if it's out, a bunny dies!
[23:18] <x-ip> ok ok, np ... going to #ubuntu-release-party hehehe
[23:18] <leprechau> dead bunnies :/
[23:18] <thiebaude> the party is starting next door
[23:19] <leprechau> x-ip, you just killed a bunny
[23:19] <x-ip> thanks x'D
[23:19] <Daisuke-Ido> leprechau: i want to go and keep asking if it's out yet
[23:19] <x-ip> why ? :S
[23:19] <ienorand> RC was at ~6pm GMT I think, so expect something similar...
[23:19] <Jacxz> cya in realse-party x-ip
[23:19] <x-ip> /j/ #ubuntu-release-party
[23:19] <x-ip> ups
[23:19] <BUGabundo> x-ip: mirrors tend to have a cron, running from 1h to 24h
[23:19] <x-ip> wow x'D
[23:19] <haggisbasheruk> bunny killers
[23:19] <ienorand> Buthen again i could be wrong
[23:19] <x-ip> jajajaja
[23:19] <x-ip> i readed the topic
[23:19] <x-ip> sorry :S
[23:19] <x-ip> too late >.<'
[23:20] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: there might be updates in 1hr?
[23:20] <x-ip> x'D
[23:20] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: ah?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> let me check out http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[23:21] <BUGabundo> let me check out #ubuntu-release-party
[23:21]  * BUGabundo wishes there was a DEL for stupid posts to IRC
[23:21] <haggisbasheruk> :)
[23:24] <cowgarden> BUGabundo: I want Gnome-DO to be shipped along (but not docky as default, stucks a bit on netbooks/older PCs)
[23:25] <ppe> hi, when will be the stable-ubuntu 9.04 released?
[23:25] <BluesKaj> ppe, tomorrow
[23:25] <Skapare> ppe: when it's ready
[23:25] <ienorand> I like the quote from part channel: Every time you ask if it's out, a bunny dies!
[23:26] <ienorand> *party
[23:26] <coz_> pit roasted rabbit is tastey :)
[23:28] <ppe> I have a boring sroll-bug in the updated beta. I can only scroll slow in firefox and openoffice3. mark is buggy, too. I hope this will be fixed in the stable ubuntu.
[23:28] <ppe> scroll*
[23:28] <dash|x58> can someone help me successfully increase my resolution?
[23:29] <dash|x58> every attempt i've failed ;/
[23:29] <kklimonda> ppe: it may not - you should file a bug.
[23:29] <ppe> kklimonda: so I have to post in launchpad? :(
[23:30] <kklimonda> ppe: yes
[23:30] <robin0800> dash|x58: Put it Xorg conf?
[23:30] <ppe> kklimonda: maybe it will be fixed..
[23:30] <kklimonda> ppe: is your 9.04 updated?
[23:30] <ppe> yes
[23:30] <BUGabundo> ppe use ubuntu-bug
[23:31] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: what is he's package?
[23:31] <ppe> it's sudo apt-get update, yes?
[23:31] <kklimonda> ppe: yes
[23:32] <ppe> hmm... I'm up to date..
[23:32] <BUGabundo> ppe: now $sudo apt-upgrade
[23:32] <BUGabundo> and then
[23:32] <BUGabundo> ppe: now $sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:32] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: if it's slow scroll in some applications than it may be something with video drivers and compiz. if it scrolls only in those two applications I don't know :)
[23:33] <giskard> hello
[23:33] <giskard> i am having trouble adding a new user with users-admin
[23:33] <kklimonda> ppe: what is exactly your problem and what is your hardware?
[23:34] <BUGabundo> giskard: sounds like a known bug
[23:34] <ppe> kklimonda: I have a geforce 8800 an athlon x2 2.6 ghz and 4 gb ram.
[23:36] <tas> Hello
[23:37] <tas> Hello, I have a question to ask about Gnome panels and AWN; Basically I want to disable the last Gnome panel I have and use only AWN, it's fine if I have to delete it, but I dunno how to do that, either, can anyone help?
[23:38] <Daskreech> Anyone using The git for Gnome-Shell?
[23:38] <kklimonda> ppe: and it scrolls slowly in firefox and ooo or you can only scroll in those two applications?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> tas: hi
[23:38] <BUGabundo> can I recommend gnome-do ?
[23:39] <tas> Hello BUG O:
[23:39] <BUGabundo> its a lot better then AWN
[23:39] <BUGabundo> also to reply to you, just right click on the pannel, and choose properties
[23:39] <tas> Yeah, I tried Gnome-Do, but I cant have a notification area in Docky
[23:39] <BUGabundo> there you can enable an option to hide the applet
[23:39] <tas> Seeing as what I want is a dock like OS X or a taskbar like Windows 7, Docky doesnt work out for me quite yet
[23:39] <BUGabundo> tas: there's a new skin for DO, called Docky....
[23:40] <tas> Yeah, but it doesnt have a notification area
[23:40] <tas> So AWN works out better
[23:40] <Daskreech> !info docky
[23:41] <nicuro> hello. does anybody know when jaunty will be launched?
[23:41] <tas> 23'rd
[23:41] <tas> Tommorow, I think
[23:41] <nicuro> ok
[23:41] <tas> Of course
[23:41] <xerxes> nicuro: You can get the daily snapshot
[23:41] <tas> if you wanna know when you can get it, you can get it right now
[23:41] <BUGabundo>  !daily | nicuro
[23:41] <canttakeitany> !outyet
[23:41] <xerxes> and then make an update tomorrow
[23:41] <tas> the RC version, anyway
[23:42] <nicuro> thanks
[23:42] <J-_> Are the final Jaunty ISOs ready yet for download?
[23:43] <shavlir> and another bunny dies needlessly
[23:43] <robin0800> J-_: Another Bunny just Died
[23:43] <BUGabundo> J-_: NO
[23:43] <genii> Was it a bunny or a baby jackalope?
[23:44] <Bobng> I think I have found a bug
[23:44]  * genii checks the corpse for antlers
[23:44] <BUGabundo> Bobng: really? is it that hard?
[23:44] <J-_> Settle down. ;(
[23:44] <Bobng> Well it seems to not replicate itself now
[23:44] <robin0800> genii: Its a bug
[23:45] <tas> Anyway, about deleting the Gnome panel
[23:45] <tas> No one know how?
[23:46] <foogmaa> I don't know but that seems like a Sessions type of thing
[23:46] <nosferathoo> ugabuga
[23:47] <tas> Yeah, I checked that
[23:47] <tas> It didnt work O:
[23:47] <tas> I only wanna remove the one panel so I can have only AWN as my interface
[23:47] <BUGabundo> tas did you do what I told you to?
[23:48] <shavlir> right click, delete this panel?
[23:48] <foogmaa> oh, so just drag the panel around?
[23:48] <kklimonda> tas: right click on panel and then "delete this panel"
[23:48] <tas> Check properties in the gnome panel? Yes, I tried that
[23:48] <tas> It doesnt work
[23:48] <Tecna> grr
[23:48] <kklimonda> tas: what happens?
[23:48] <tas> The setting is disabled for some reason
[23:48] <Tecna> Compiz keeps messing up
[23:48] <kklimonda> tas: hmm.. is it your only panel?
[23:48] <Bobng> Well look at this
[23:48] <Bobng> http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2483/screenshotaddremoveappl.png
[23:49] <aljosa> any info if fglrx driver will be available soon
[23:49] <Bobng> when selecting the last item of a drop down panel
[23:49] <Bobng> that normally fits fine
[23:49] <tas> It's only one panel
[23:49] <BUGabundo> tas don't DELETE it, just hide
[23:49] <nosferathoo> aljosa, i also want to know ;]
[23:49] <Bobng> it scrolls to the bottom and wont show any other items until you move up
[23:49] <Bobng> when it SHOULD look like this http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2483/screenshotaddremoveappl.png
[23:49] <tas> It work work that wat
[23:49] <tas> way*
[23:49] <J-_> What will be changed on the latest ISO that will be released?
[23:49] <nosferathoo> aljosa, maybe it will be best to ask ati/amd directly?
[23:49] <kklimonda> tas: then you can't remove your only panel.
[23:49] <J-_> from the lastest beta
[23:49] <tas> Since I need to setup a notification area in AWN
[23:49] <J-_> latest*
[23:49] <kklimonda> tas: you would have to remove gnome-panel package.
[23:50] <kklimonda> it is unsupported
[23:50] <tas> How do I go about that?
[23:50] <kklimonda> and stupid as gnome-panel is dependency of many other packages
[23:50] <BUGabundo> J-_: from beta? a lot. from RC not much, from daily almost sure, nothing
[23:50] <kklimonda> tas: you could try ``sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/gnome-panel'' to prevent it from launching
[23:50] <J-_> Is there a daily ISO then?
[23:51] <tas> Allright then
[23:51] <kklimonda> tas: but again it's unsupported and weird things may happen.
[23:51] <tas> Oh
[23:51] <tas> Then nevermind then
[23:51] <tas> So odd, though
[23:51] <kklimonda> tas: can't you delete notification area from panel?
[23:51] <kklimonda> and then add it to awn
[23:51] <tas> Well, I dunno how
[23:51] <shavlir> J-_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[23:51] <tas> That might work, though
[23:51] <glootech> any second now!
[23:51] <Z_God> may jaunty really break my system? ;)
[23:51] <shavlir> yes
[23:52] <kklimonda> tas: right click on notification area applet and Remove from panel
[23:52] <shavlir> broke mine
[23:52] <Z_God> really?
[23:52] <shavlir> but I fixed it :-)
[23:52] <Z_God> what did it break?
[23:52] <thiebaude> Z_God: mine too
[23:52] <kklimonda> tas: you have to click left from the first notification icon - this should be notification applet..
[23:52] <cowgarden> mine too :)
[23:52] <shavlir> grpahics drivers didnt work out of the box
[23:52] <Tecna> Does anyone have anyideas about why my compiz desktop cube is suddenly 100% Opacity, when the settings say it's 0%?
[23:52] <tas> Ah, I see
[23:52] <tas> Thanks, monda
[23:53] <Anacranom> i tried to add a network printer shared on a windows box- received message- "There were no print shares found.  Please check that the Samba service is marked as trusted in your firewall configuration. To do this, select System->Administration->Firewall from the main menu." But there is no "Firewall" there, and i edited the menu and there's no option to add it, anyone know where this is?
[23:53] <Z_God> shavlir: which driver?
[23:53] <shavlir> radeon
[23:53] <kklimonda> nosferathoo: just install and you will know ;)
[23:53] <Z_God> ok
[23:54] <nosferathoo> kklimonda, I don't want to messup anything, I'm working on this hardware ;]
[23:54] <tas> There
[23:54] <tas> Thanks, monda
[23:54] <kklimonda> nosferathoo: this version: 2:8.600-0ubuntu2 isn't the latest one?
[23:54] <kklimonda> nosferathoo: well.. no pain, no gain ;P
[23:54] <Z_God> so jaunty will be released today, is it likely I'll get an upgrade notification soon?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Z_God: wanna kill yet another bunny?
[23:55] <Z_God> why not?
[23:55] <shavlir> you can force an early upgrade to the RC, or just wait
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Z_God: you can upgrade NOW. just read the release notes, make a backu
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Z_God: and $ update-manager -d
[23:55] <Z_God> yeah I know, but I just wondered whether it'd happen automaticly
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Z_God: bunny joke, see topic
[23:56] <J-_> I can upgrade to from the beta to the rc?
[23:56] <Z_God> BUGabundo: I guess I'm stupid, cause I don't get it
[23:56] <BUGabundo> Z_God: LOLOL
[23:57] <J-_> heh
[23:57] <Anacranom> did 9.04 hide the gui-firewall settings?
[23:57] <hggdh> J-_, all you need is to run update-manager
[23:57] <Z_God> J-_: should be np
[23:57] <ienorand> BUGabundo: The bunny joke topic is in the other chan...
[23:57] <wgrant> Anacranom: There are none by default.
[23:57] <J-_> I guess the point would be to install the newest rc to get rid of all the stagnant crap I have installed snice alpha 4 I think it was when I installed Jaunty.
[23:57] <BUGabundo> is it?
[23:58] <wgrant> Anacranom: There never were.
[23:58] <shavlir> yeah, the topic wasnt changed here, someone just posted it
[23:58]  * robin0800  Topic for #ubuntu-release-party is: Ubuntu (9.04) Jaunty Jackalope is due some time on 23rd April 2009 | Channel guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties for parties in your zone | Every time you ask if it's out, a bunny dies!
[23:58] <BUGabundo> Anacranom: you may want to check $man gufw
[23:58] <MarkJones> Are all the Jaunty updates in the repos are they the only ones that exist or are there usually ones that pop up in the lest second at release? Cause if so then there are still a lot of bugs in Jaunty if the updates on repos are all there is.
[23:58] <Z_God> hehe, seems I'm not that stupid
[23:58] <Anacranom> wgrant, BUGabundo  i tried to add a network printer shared on a windows box- received message- "There were no print shares found.  Please check that the Samba service is marked as trusted in your firewall configuration. To do this, select System->Administration->Firewall from the main menu." But there is no "Firewall" there, and i edited the menu and there's no option to add it, anyone know where this is?
[23:58] <MarkJones> Trash bin dont even work on mine.
[23:59] <wgrant> MarkJones: None of those bugs exist until you have reported them.
[23:59] <Z_God> I guess half of the people in that channel have names like "BunnyKiller"
[23:59] <MarkJones> I reported it
[23:59] <BUGabundo> MarkJones: there are still lots of bugs in 6.06
[23:59] <Anacranom> i have the same printer on my desktop using 8.04
[23:59] <wgrant> Anacranom: We don't run a firewall by default. What is giving you that message? It shouldn't.
[23:59] <loomsen> all bugs busted here --- except ubuntu itself...