[00:02] <Jabone> thank you, how about toggle mute?
[00:05] <MTec007_> toggle mute?
[00:05] <MTec007_> i dont know about toggle. my mute key on my keyboard is set to aumix -v0   and thats default
[00:06] <MTec007_> if you find a toggle let me know!
[00:06] <Jabone> :)
[00:17] <MTec007_> BooVeMan_work, it says i connected to the router but i cant access the config in my browser so i must not be fully connected.
[00:17] <BooVeMan_work> can you ping?
[00:18] <MTec007_> what is the syntax of ping on linux?
[00:18] <BooVeMan_work> ping 192.1687.0.1
[00:18] <BooVeMan_work> ping 192.168.0.1
[00:18] <MTec007_> dont i have to specify the ammount of pings so it doesnt constantly ping?
[00:19] <BooVeMan_work> per default its constat do a ctrl+c to stop it
[00:19] <Jabone> MTec007_: i made a script that check mute state
[00:21] <MTec007_> BooVeMan_work, ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[00:21] <MTec007_> Jabone, cool
[00:21] <Jabone> if [ "`/usr/bin/amixer get 'Master' | grep off`" ]
[00:21] <Jabone> then /usr/bin/amixer set 'Master' unmute
[00:21] <Jabone> else /usr/bin/amixer set 'Master' mute
[00:21] <Jabone> fi
[00:22] <BooVeMan_work> MTec007_: thats a firewall issue
[00:22] <Jabone> MTec007_: quite simple but works
[00:22] <BooVeMan_work> if you have ufw runnign stop it for the moment
[00:22] <MTec007_> ufw?
[00:23] <BooVeMan_work> the default ubuntu firewall
[00:23] <BooVeMan_work> !firewall
[00:23] <MTec007_> i use firestarter
[00:25] <MTec007_> BooVeMan_work, i can connect to the internet in every aspect but cant ping?
[00:26] <BooVeMan_work> this would mean that you are blocking ICMP packages
[00:27] <BooVeMan_work> or you are tgetting a different IP ragne for your wireless client and that is blocked while clabel bound is open
[00:27] <MTec007_> im probably blocking ICMP
[00:27] <BooVeMan_work> thats why you can't ping :-)
[00:30] <MTec007_> ok ping yahoo.com works but not ping 192.168.0.1   still operation not permitteed
[00:31] <BooVeMan_work> may be that your local network uses a different IP range
[00:31] <BooVeMan_work> ifconfig should tell you at least your ip
[00:31] <BooVeMan_work> and the default gateway
[00:35] <MTec007_> but i can connect to the router config now
[00:35] <MTec007_> and apparently ping too
[00:42] <MTec007_> Jabone, how do I map that script to the mute button
[01:33] <aetherfish> hey can somebody help me with some printer issues? I can't print from openoffice but everything else works
[01:34] <celthunder> aetherfish so you can print from other applications?
[01:34] <aetherfish> yes
[01:34] <aetherfish> I can print web pages from firefox perfectly fine, and pdf too
[01:34] <aetherfish> when I try printing from openoffice
[01:35] <aetherfish> it spews out some stuff that seems to be like the internal code or something
[01:35] <BooVeMan_work> hmm did you try #openoffice - seems a openoffice issue
[01:35] <aetherfish> hmm okay thanks a lot
[01:36] <celthunder> aetherfish, are you using CUPS?
[01:36] <BooVeMan_work> sorry that would be #openoffice.org
[01:36] <aetherfish> oh heh right
[01:36] <aetherfish> yes, I am
[01:36] <aetherfish> I'm using printer drivers downloaded from the manufacturer website
[01:36] <celthunder> does it actually show the name of your printer when you try to print in openoffice?
[01:37] <aetherfish> hmm
[01:37] <aetherfish> not sure what you mean
[01:37] <aetherfish> the first two pages consists of / followed by the names of all the characters the printer knows
[01:37] <celthunder> like does it just say "Generic Printer" or does it say "PRINTER BRAND/etc"
[01:37] <aetherfish> like /tilde /trademark /scaron etc.
[01:37] <celthunder> i meant on the screen
[01:37] <BooVeMan_work> like hitting the print button in the toolbar or going through the print dialog and selecting a rpinter - which should show up as in the pdf application
[01:37] <celthunder> like when you go to print and the dialog shows up
[01:38] <aetherfish> oh
[01:38] <aetherfish> well the thing is it worked fine a couple days ago when I first installed the drivers, but it just stopped working inexplicably
[01:38] <aetherfish> and yes, it shows the model number of the printer
[01:38] <celthunder> ok
[01:39] <celthunder> completely up to date openoffice i hope?
[01:39] <aetherfish> uh I guess... it's not terribly outdated at least
[01:39] <BooVeMan_work> tried restarting cups or is this a not constantly running machine
[01:40] <aetherfish> yeah I've tried restarting
[01:40] <aetherfish> reinstalled the drivers too
[01:40] <aetherfish> same issue
[01:41] <celthunder> does this apply only to openoffice writer or all openoffice apps?
[01:41] <aetherfish> oh hmm
[01:41] <aetherfish> haven't tried, let me try now
[01:42] <aetherfish> it applies to all openoffice apps
[01:43] <celthunder> what kind of printer and model is this?
[01:43] <aetherfish> Brother HL-5370DW
[01:46] <celthunder> aetherfish, sorry, i'm not really sure...did you try drivers other than the manufacturors?
[01:46] <aetherfish> no, not really...
[01:46] <aetherfish> everything worked fine up until today...
[01:47] <celthunder> so just today...did you do any updates today?
[01:47] <aetherfish> last night I updated libxine and stuff
[01:47] <aetherfish> I checked, nothing pertaining to printing
[01:47] <celthunder> which version of ubuntu are you on and which version of openoffice/
[01:47] <aetherfish> hardy heron
[01:47] <aetherfish> openoffice 2.4.1
[01:49] <celthunder> not sure...i dont have a brother printer, i dont really print from openoffice...and honestly thats pretty out of date stuff...gl though if you find what was wrong id love to know (for future reference)
[01:49] <aetherfish> heh... thanks so much though
[01:49] <aetherfish> eh I guess I'll update openoffice and see if that helps
[01:50] <xerxes> How do i install the tor-router on jaunty?
[01:50] <xerxes> there seems to be no installation candidate
[01:51] <xerxes> !tor on jaunty
[01:51] <xerxes> !tor
[01:52] <xerxes> hm
[01:52] <BooVeMan_work> just tor? not tor-router
[01:54] <xerxes> whats the difference
[01:54] <xerxes> ?
[01:54] <xerxes> apt-get also doesnt find tor-router
[01:55] <BooVeMan_work> no idea never used tor
[01:56] <xerxes> aptitude says it finds no candidate version
[01:56] <xerxes> how can i fix that?
[01:59] <BooVeMan_work> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tor
[02:03] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian
[02:05] <xerxes> Yeah...I saw that, BooVeMan..they did it with deb...but there seems to be no deb in jaunty
[02:08] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: so I reckon you'll have a) to wait or b) build yourself
[02:10] <xerxes> ok i try to build myself...wish me luck
[02:13] <BooVeMan_work> or before you may try the debian sid package as jaunty is based on sid?
[02:13] <xerxes> How do I configure for sid?
[02:14] <xerxes> I even dont find the deb-src package here as in the build instructions :\
[02:14] <BooVeMan_work> add deb     http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor sid main to sources,list
[02:15] <BooVeMan_work> xerxes: sources may be downloaded as tar from torproject.org
[02:16] <xerxes> there is no deb-program on my jaunty, BooVeMan_work
[02:16] <xerxes> aptitude doesnt find it
[02:16] <xerxes> But I have all repositories enabled so far
[02:16] <BooVeMan_work> add the line I gave to your sources.list, run sudo apt-get update watch for errors and then run apt-get install tor
[02:16] <xerxes> im new to this debian/ubuntu thing so im stupid
[02:18] <BooVeMan_work> have to go - bye
[02:20] <xerxes_> well, i have no public-gpg key, apt-get says...how do i do THAT?
[02:21] <xerxes_> *overwhelmed by thousands unix programs*
[02:21] <xerxes_> I thing I sticked to long with windows :\
[02:24] <xerxes_> Do i need just generate a pgp-key for me?
[02:30] <xerxes_> apt-get says: NO_PUBKEY CFF71CB3AFA44BDD
[02:32] <CppIsWeird2> how can i make a raw image of a hard drive (that is not currently mounted) to a file in such a way that i can mount the file as a container like a .img or .iso file?
[02:32] <xerxes_> Or is that the pgp-key for sid?
[02:33] <xerxes_> and it doesnt work bcse i have jaunty?
[03:52] <forces> saluton
[04:31] <kkruit> hey I am a php programmer (i know i know) and i know a little bit of c++ but would like to become familiar with C and the easiest way for me to learn i think is to start a project. dose anyone know of anything that would bee a good tutorial or maybe even something i could do that would be helpful to the community while i'm learning?
[04:32] <cody-somerville> kkruit, Do you want to learn C or C++?
[04:33] <kkruit> C
[04:35] <kkruit> i would like to eventually get to get into kernel development or something similar.
[04:36] <cody-somerville> kkruit, http://www.physics.drexel.edu/courses/Comp_Phys/General/C_basics/
[04:36] <kkruit> thanks
[04:36] <cody-somerville> http://www.iu.hio.no/~mark/CTutorial/CTutorial.html
[04:36] <cody-somerville> Google returns *tons* of stuff
[04:37] <cody-somerville> See #ubuntu-offtopic for more
[04:38] <kkruit> thanks again ... sorry for going off topic :)
[07:17] <anita20> Hi, can anyone help?
[07:17] <ball> What's the question?
[07:17] <anita20> I'm havin issues with the screen resolution of a fresh installation
[07:17] <anita20> the only option it allows is 640*480
[07:17] <ball> That's strange.
[07:18] <anita20> (i think if I set it to default it actually runns on 800*600)
[07:18] <ball> What display adaptor do you have?
[07:18] <anita20> I checked some forums and tried editing the config filed and it didn´t work
[07:18] <anita20> I just use the on board adaptor
[07:18] <anita20> don´t have a graphic card
[07:18] <Hetor> how to make a hotkey for switching keyboard layouts?
[07:19] <anita20> Do you know about anything I can do to make it work on 1024*768?
[07:20] <anita20> wait, I think I have an nvidia card
[07:20] <Hetor> (09:18:55 AM) Hetor: how to make a hotkey for switching keyboard layouts?
[07:20] <anita20> let me double check
[07:21]  * ball nods
[07:24] <anita20> yes, it is an nvidia old graphics card
[07:26] <anita20> from xubuntu, how can I know the specs of the compupter?
[07:27] <ball> anita20: open a terminal window and type "lspci" without the quotes.
[07:28] <ball> ...you may see something in the output that relates to your display adaptor
[07:28] <ball> or "lspci|more"
[07:29] <anita20> thanks, let me check and i´ll let you know what i see
[07:29] <anita20> indeed, nvidia tnt2
[07:30] <anita20> well, the thing is, i am still not able to change the config
[07:30] <Sinister> whats the best program to get the cover art incoded into the mp3 so it liiks good
[07:30] <MTec007_> Would there happen to be any tobacco users in here?
[07:30] <anita20> to change the resolution
[07:30] <anita20> *01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] (rev 11)
[07:30] <ball> Sinister: why would you put cover art /in/ an MP3?!
[07:31] <Sinister> so i can see it on my blackberry
[07:31] <ball> anita20: if the open source drivers don't work well, you may have to resort to the ones nVidia provide
[07:31] <MTec007_> ball, so the cover art is always with the mp3
[07:31]  * ball has never seen that.
[07:31] <ball> I've seen ID3 tags
[07:31] <anita20> do you think the ones under http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.51.html fit my case?
[07:32] <Sinister> well anytime you see the cover aret with out downloading it int already done
[07:32] <ball> anita20: I don't know.
[07:33] <ball> brb, rebooting
[07:33] <Sinister> i dont think amarok writes to the file
[07:34] <MTec007_> Sinister, http://www.blackberryforums.com/general-blackberry-discussion/115944-mp3-cover-art.html
[07:34] <MTec007_> Sinister, nevermind
[07:34] <Sinister> do you have a blackberry ?
[07:35] <Sinister> MTec007_, ?
[07:35] <MTec007_> Sinister, no i have a gen1 cherry chocolate
[07:36] <Sinister> i had a dare 3 months old still have it blackberry 4 days its so god damn hard it makes me sick
[07:37] <Sinister> i got 30 days to decide
[07:37] <Sinister> ball why did you have to reboot ?
[07:37] <ball> Sinister: because I'm new to Linux
[07:37] <MTec007_> Sinister, i think i found something but you'd use itunes to embed
[07:38] <ball> ...and the update thing told me to.
[07:38] <Sinister> i think easytag will work now that i look at it
[07:38] <MTec007_> i reboot too xubuntu starts to slow down after a while
[07:38] <Sinister> what is it MTec007_
[07:39] <MTec007_> it doesnt specifically say blackberry but its worth a shot i think, http://blog.michael-forster.de/2009/01/embedding-cover-images-in-mp3-files-for.html
[07:39] <ball> It seems very strange to have a working Java plug-in on Linux
[07:39] <MTec007_> ball, ?
[07:40] <ball> MTec007_: I'm used to a platform where that's not an option
[07:40] <Sinister> i think i need windows to use that MTec007_
[07:40] <MTec007_> yeah hence me saying "Sinister, i think i found something but you'd use itunes to embed"
[07:41] <Sinister> ohh
[07:41] <MTec007_> i assumed when you asked what it was you had a windows installation somewhere
[07:41] <Sinister> i got rid of windows in 1995 i dont know linux worth a shit but at least i dont have to reboot
[07:42] <MTec007_> theres that dont have to reboot thing again
[07:42] <MTec007_> i switched to linux and it slows down every so often so i have to reboot...
[07:42] <MTec007_> i dont get it
[07:43] <Sinister> do you look in top and see whats running ?
[07:43]  * ball doesn't run Windows on his own machines
[07:43] <Sinister> easytag is what i downloaded i think thats what i want
[07:43] <MTec007_> tons of stuff even on a reboot
[07:44] <Sinister> look for thinks that you closed but never died
[07:44] <Sinister> i dont care if someone uses windoes or linux im just cheep and linux is free
[07:45] <ball> Sinister: free and rather good at the same time.
[07:45] <Sinister> well with not running windows i have nothing to compair it to
[07:46] <MTec007_> i have an active windows installation but it hasnt been booted since i installed xubuntu
[07:46] <Sinister> i did buy a new pc last year it had the new windows on it i was lost i got so much spam i couldnt open a web page i was just lost
[07:47]  * ball usually runs NetBSD
[07:47] <Sinister> this is my 3rd ubuntu before that i was with fedora for a few years then suse then slack just after windows only thing i wanted was to dos people
[07:48] <Sinister> i just need to be able to d/l sponge bob for my kids and put them on dvd the oldest one is 5 and to him im a god
[07:48] <MTec007_> i used windows and then RH9 went back to windows for years and then to xubuntu
[07:49] <ball> CP/M -> unix -> unix -> unix -> Linux
[07:49] <Sinister> well windows must be good to many people using it im just against the dual boot if you install a os thats stable that it dont go down for months and you reboot 3 times a week mite as well stay with windows i figure
[07:50] <Sinister> the bigest think linux has is its rock solid
[07:50] <Sinister> that my thinking and most of the time im wrong
[07:51] <ball> BSD is rock solid too and makes a good server OS.  Linux is nicer for the desktop though.
[07:51] <Sinister> id like to install bsd i think id like it pluss i like that devil
[07:52] <MTec007_> I dont like the way the windows world is going with viruses on the rampage, especially that new virus, the one the media freaked out about on April 1st... that's ridiculous imho.
[07:52] <ball> Sinister: it's a daemon.
[07:52] <ball> MTec007_: Cornflicker?
[07:52] <MTec007_> yeah
[07:53] <ball> I heard about it on a mailing list.
[07:53] <ball> Non-issue for me though.
[07:53] <MTec007_> yeah i wasnt prone to receiveing it either even on my windows installation
[07:56] <MTec007_> by chance has any one tried that new smokeless tobacco by camel, 'snus' ?
[07:56] <ball> If I could afford to smoke, I'd give up and buy new hardware.
[07:56] <MTec007_> lol
[07:56] <MTec007_> its a habbit i cant quit
[07:58] <MTec007_> i need new hardware my laptop has a blown lcd inverter
[07:58] <MTec007_> just havnt had the money to buy a new inverter
[08:02] <MTec007_> atleast my laptop has vga out so im not without a computer :)
[08:05] <Sinister> my friend used that snus
[08:05] <Sinister> its just snuff thats all
[08:06] <Sinister> either you do it in the bathroom or you look like a wacko snorting it up your nose
[08:07] <Sinister> if im not working or hunting i never chew i think its seeing someone else chewing that makes me want it
[08:09] <Sinister> if you chew bags or mint apple or any of that fake stuff people think your a fem anyway its better to quit then no one knows
[08:12] <MTec007_> Sinister, lol
[08:12] <Sinister> i chewed for 30 years and stoped in one day and id molest a nun for a three finger chew of cope rite now
[08:12] <cody-somerville> Ughh..
[08:12] <MTec007_> rotf
[08:13] <Sinister> well shed have to be cute for god sake
[08:15] <Sinister> if i put one in id be sick headache probly puke and its 5 bucks a can now after talking about all its good quilitys im dying for a chew
[08:15] <MTec007> im sorry, dont relapse..
[08:15] <MTec007> be strong!
[08:16] <Sinister> i dont have to be strong my g/f would castrate me in the middle of the night
[08:16] <MTec007> ouch
[08:17] <Sinister> 15 bucks a day and i have 3 kids id rather buy them a dora movie
[08:18] <Sinister> i work an incentive job if i have a grat week she lets me buy a few cigars so it all works out
[08:18] <MTec007> cigars, its been way too long for me
[08:18] <Sinister> well this easytag is too smart for me
[08:19] <Sinister> she dont let me light them but i can chew on them till she figures i look stupid enuff
[08:19] <MTec007> my OpusX's just reached 7 months aging now  got 3 #4's and 3 #5's :P
[08:20] <Sinister> the cigar i like is the acids
[08:20] <MTec007> i started on those
[08:21] <MTec007> like non flavored now
[08:21] <Sinister> when i do get to light them i like the smell
[08:21] <Sinister> smells fancy
[08:21] <MTec007> lol
[08:22] <MTec007> Rocky Patel is another favorite of mine
[08:22] <MTec007> now im gonna have to go buy some cigars...
[08:23] <Sinister> my limit is 15 bucks for a cigar a 30 dollar opus im gona have to fuck half way threw
[08:23] <Sinister> ever smoke a real cuban cigar ?
[08:24] <Sinister> thats trash
[08:24] <MTec007> never had the pleasure. my brother in law has though he liked it
[08:24] <MTec007> i believe he said it doesnt match all the hype though.
[08:25] <Sinister> not even close
[08:25] <MTec007> i got my opus for like $10 and $11 i believe...
[08:25] <Sinister> not saying that someone couldnt go in and fix stuff its old mello tobaco
[08:25] <MTec007> 7 months ago any way
[08:25] <Sinister> 10 ?
[08:26] <MTec007> yeah
[08:26] <MTec007> like i said i only have the #4 and #5 the smallest 2 sizes
[08:27] <Sinister> #4 should be at least 15 to 20 unless it was a small store i live in a one cigar store town also
[08:28] <Sinister> cuba makes too many cigars they still ship every whare
[08:28] <Sinister> just not to us
[08:28] <MTec007> it might have been  7 months is a long time to forget
[08:30] <Sinister> if you get a nice cigar and its aged fora a few years in a sherry cask you cant go wrong but cuba dont have time to age them id rather have a blunt
[08:31] <MTec007> ive got a nice churchhill padrone with a 9 year aging
[08:33] <MTec007> ive got some nice cigars i dont smoke but i usually buy things like RP, Nub, etc for herfing
[08:34] <MTec007> i dont touch the padron or opus' for anything.
[08:35] <Sinister> well i smoked a cohiba sposto be 25 a stick wasnt worth 4 was loose rooled and was under 40 ring gauge and if we start trading with them were gona pay 50 bucks for a 2 dollar smoke
[08:37] <MTec007> tell you what see if your local shop carries "All Americas"  they are a cheap cigar they come in a plastic wrap brick but they are not bad at all. I've gotten a few guys from the Nashville Cigar Club to try them and they agree
[08:37] <Sinister> i want a nice most cubans are under 50 i like a big cicar 60 something that weighs 3 ounces
[08:38] <Sinister> im only aloud to get them on special events
[08:38] <MTec007> they were like $25/brick before the tax hike
[08:38] <Sinister> like if were having a new kid or they are picking a new pope
[08:38] <MTec007> ah
[08:39] <MTec007> go buy her a new car or something
[08:39] <Sinister> i made some rum this weekend shes not talking to me yet
[08:40] <Myrtti> good morning
[08:40] <MTec007> hello
[08:40] <Sinister> hold on ill show you my still i have to piut it on my page
[08:42] <Sinister> i need a way to put pics from my blackberry to the web so people can see them whats the best place to use ?
[08:43] <MTec007> i dont know what works on a blackberry but drop.io is a good one
[08:43] <Sinister> i used a beer keg everyone thinks there aluminum but there stainless
[08:44] <MTec007> or you can email the pics to me
[08:44] <Sinister> 100 pounds brown sugar and 1 gallong molassas and some turbo yeast 24
[08:44] <Myrtti> so, is everyone excited over Jaunty coming tomorrow?
[08:44] <MTec007> im first in line!
[08:44] <Sinister> msg me your email
[08:45] <Sinister> i own skunkmilk.com thats what me and my friend are gona call out moon juice
[08:46] <Sinister> tasted a lot like horse piss saturday but today it taste like taqullia
[08:46] <Myrtti> I'd like to remind you that this channel is mainly for Xubuntu support
[08:46] <Sinister> i dont like either i just drink beer bu i love making stuff like that and giving it to guys
[08:47] <MTec007> Myrtti, but its not peak usage time:)
[08:47] <Myrtti> MTec007: FYI, Europe is waking up
[08:47] <Sinister> and this is what gets me threw my linux questions
[08:47] <MTec007> Myrtti, no one is here yet ;)
[08:48] <Myrtti> MTec007: your logic fails since I am here
[08:48] <Sinister> fine ill stop talking
[08:48] <MTec007> Myrtti, do you need assistance?
[08:48] <Sinister> europ always needs assistance
[08:49]  * MTec007 jumps behind _Pete_ and hides
[08:49] <Myrtti> what I was actually wondering was has anyone else had problems with the latest kernel of Intrepid and wifi?
[08:50] <Sinister> what kernel ?
[08:50] <Myrtti> 2.6.27-14 x86_64
[08:52] <Sinister> is that a special kernel for xubuntu ?
[08:52] <Myrtti> it's whatever is the latest for intrepid
[08:53] <MTec007> i have wifi but dont use it but i only have 2.6.27-11-generic so i couldnt be much help i dont think
[08:53] <Myrtti> I've got Intel 3945ABG as the wifi, and it works with -13, but not 14
[08:53] <Sinister> im using Linux 2.6.27-11-generic
[08:54] <MTec007> i think the difference is 64bit maybe?
[08:55] <MTec007> gah, ive got a headache ill return soon.
[08:55] <Sinister> are you 64 bit?
[08:57] <Myrtti> Sinister: yup
[09:02] <Sinister> MTec007, did you get it?
[09:03] <MTec007> email was blank except for "Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry"
[09:03] <Sinister> hold on
[09:11] <Sinister> im gon shoot my self
[09:17] <Sinister> ok now look
[09:17] <Sinister> im gona get my old dare out fuck this blackberry
[09:20] <Sinister> well did ya get something?
[09:21] <MTec007> couldnt view the attachment
[09:21] <Sinister> give me 4 min
[09:21] <MTec007> its ok if ya cant get it :)
[09:21] <Sinister> then im shooting my self
[09:22] <MTec007> what would that solve?
[09:23] <Myrtti> mind your languages, gentlemen
[09:24] <MTec007> does any one know how to end the processes btaddconn and bdelconn ?
[09:25] <MTec007> btdelconn*
[09:25] <Myrtti> stop bluetooth related services?
[09:26] <MTec007> yes my laptop is not bluetooth enabled.
[09:26] <MTec007> but even then those processes keep on running
[09:28] <Sinister> http://www.skunkmilk.com/still.jpg
[09:28] <Sinister> dear god that was pissing me off
[09:28] <MTec007> thats cool ill buy one
[09:29] <Sinister> people started making grills out of the kegs so now there is 80 dollar deposit on them
[09:29] <MTec007> lol
[09:30] <Sinister> i brased the top to put a blug in and some of the braze leaks but noit real bad
[09:30] <Sinister> we got 16 pints of 200 proof rum i guess is what it is
[09:31] <MTec007> sounds good to me
[09:31] <Sinister> we made it from malosas and brown sugar
[09:32] <Sinister> it tasted like rum for 1 day then taqulia now like water that burns like acid
[09:33] <MTec007> i wonder what it will taste like next
[09:33] <Sinister> i have 40 gallons of black rasberry and black berries made in to wine already its 4 years old i dont drink it i just give it to people
[09:34] <Sinister> i use champagine yeast so it gets over 20 % so for winer its stronget than two mother fuckers
[09:34] <MTec007> mmm good wine and a good cigar..
[09:34] <Sinister> i figure if i put a 1/5 of this 200 proof into a gallon of my berry wine ill either kill or cripple up people for months
[09:35] <Sinister> do you live in the us ?
[09:35] <MTec007> yeah
[09:35] <Sinister> what state ?
[09:35] <MTec007> tennessee
[09:35] <Myrtti> please, mind your language, this channel is supposed to be suitable for everyone
[09:35] <Sinister> im in pa
[09:36] <Sinister> now i dont like the south either but i dont think tennessee is foul language
[09:36] <MTec007> hahaha
[09:37] <Sinister> me and my brother in law painted in the 2nd largest mall in that state a christerfer banks and a cj banks store
[09:37] <Sinister> was two years ago now i was layed off and my sister made him take me
[09:37] <Sinister> im back to work now
[09:38] <Sinister> we went to lowes then we went on to paint
[09:39] <Sinister> it rained all days and that idiot in the 17 car won with his fancy yellow drills
[09:39] <Sinister> kentheth
[09:39]  * MTec007 spits on nascar
[09:39] <Sinister> hahaha
[09:40] <Sinister> any sport you like ?
[09:40] <MTec007> no
[09:40] <Sinister> ha
[09:40] <Sinister> try cricket or sport fucking
[09:40] <MTec007> wait i like the sport of watching tv
[09:40] <Sinister> yeah i like tv and i could become prow at sleeping
[09:41] <Sinister> -w
[09:41] <Sinister> my dad boxed a Kangarooo when he was 18 in 1957
[09:41] <Sinister> first time he seen one
[09:41] <MTec007> in pa?
[09:41] <Kangarooo> boxed? like a boxing?
[09:41] <Sinister> yeah
[09:42] <Sinister> yeah
[09:42] <Sinister> was 1957
[09:42] <Kangarooo> it wasnt me
[09:42] <Kangarooo> i have shared a folder in xubuntu but cant copy to it from ubuntu.. ? what settings i need to change?
[09:42] <MTec007> pa = Pennsylvania?
[09:42] <Sinister> it kicked his ass like he was talking nasty about its pouch
[09:42] <Sinister> yes pennsylvania 1957
[09:43] <Sinister> people didnt care about animals then
[09:43] <Sinister> he said it ballenced on its tail and kicked the hell out of him
[09:43] <Kangarooo> pouch is that bag? i dong understang english words out of ubuntu context :)
[09:43] <MTec007> there are no Kangaroo's in pa.. they are indigenous to Australia.
[09:44] <Sinister> then the guy talked him into getting in with a 35# monkey it hung from its tail and hit him with all 4 feet when it wasnt flinging shit at him
[09:44] <Kangarooo> why i cant copy to shared folder in xubuntu?
[09:44] <Sinister> this was in a circus
[09:44] <Myrtti> Sinister: this is the third time I'm warning ... no, FOURTH time I'm warning you about your language, and I'm not doing it again.
[09:44] <Sinister> no shit there not in pa
[09:44] <Sinister> thank you
[09:45] <Myrtti> ok, I've had enough
[09:45] <Sinister> your sorta getting anoying
[09:45] <Myrtti> Kangarooo: you can see the folder in your filemanager though?
[09:45] <MTec007> that was uncalled for Myrtti
[09:46] <Myrtti> MTec007: you're entitled to your opinion
[09:46] <Kangarooo> yes in ubuntu yes i see it under smb://xubuntuname/foldername
[09:46] <Myrtti> Kangarooo: and you've tried to access it the same way in Xubuntu?
[09:46] <Kangarooo> i see but copy gives error
[09:46] <Myrtti> which error?
[09:46] <MTec007> Myrtti, that wasnt an opinion.
[09:47] <MTec007> Myrtti, you should go back to bed asap and wake up on the OTHER side.
[09:47] <Kangarooo> Error while copying "ssf-cho-xvid.avi". There was an error copying the file into smb://kangarooo-laptop/desktop/. Permission denied
[09:47] <Kangarooo> in xubuntu i cant acces any network neighborhood..
[09:48] <Kangarooo> i tryd manually adding in gigolo but no success but it should automaticaly be able to view network pcs..
[09:50] <Myrtti> Kangarooo: you are aware that Xubuntu does not have Samba support out of the box?
[09:50] <Kangarooo> i installed
[09:50] <davmor2> Myrtti: :)
[09:51] <Kangarooo> when in xubuntu sharring it automatically asked to install - sory user im xubuntu i dont have sambe would u like me to install smaba? I sed yes
[09:52] <Kangarooo> :) prety good english? :) so samba and sharing is ok.. how to acces network in xubuntu i dont know.. ill try google if there is no automatical solution
[09:52] <Myrtti> !fusesmb
[09:56] <Kangarooo> so fusesmb is not automatical? i need to use terminal? 1 mkdir ~/Network 2 fusesmb Network 3  cd Network 4 ls -R   ?
[09:58] <Kangarooo> i had fusesmb already installed- i think from another programm pyNeighorhood but it also didnt mount shares.. so i need to manually put theese fusesmb commands in terminal?
[10:12] <Myrtti> I don't personally use samba so I can't help you more, sorry Kangarooo
[10:14] <Kangarooo> who knows how to share folders in xubuntu? i shared but maybe IN tab Users somethings needs to be changed? settings are SMB not a Wins server.. and in users tab one user - me
[10:18] <Kangarooo> whyy... i have to cahnge back to ubuntu.. :(
[10:25] <KickAssClown> Hello
[10:25] <Kangarooo> helo
[10:26] <KickAssClown> Could you help me with making users have to login?
[10:27] <Kangarooo> !ask
[10:28] <KickAssClown> How do I enable the user login screen?
[10:28] <Kangarooo> i think u have autologin right?
[10:28] <KickAssClown> Yup, it would seem so.
[10:28] <Kangarooo> !login
[10:29] <KickAssClown> @login
[10:29] <Kangarooo> go to applications -> settings -> login
[10:29] <Kangarooo> @login
[10:29] <Kangarooo> and in tab security there is option autologin
[10:32] <KickAssClown> Ok
[10:32] <KickAssClown> I was having a blind moment because I didn't see settings until you told me to look for the menu.
[10:33] <KickAssClown> Thank you very much for your help. I'm going to go sleep.
[10:33] <KickAssClown> Aloha.
[10:48] <kromar> hi
[10:49] <kromar> if i install new hardware do i need to do something so xubuntu knows there is new hardware or will it update automaticly?
[10:50] <gabkdlly> kromar:
[10:50] <gabkdlly> kromar: hi
[10:50] <kromar> hi
[10:50] <kromar> and with new hardware i mean mainboard, cpu and gpu
[10:50] <gabkdlly> kromar: xubuntu comes per default with a huge set of modules
[10:51] <kromar> so i can install the new hardware and just continue using the system?
[10:51] <gabkdlly> kromar: you may take a look at Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[10:52] <gabkdlly> kromar: that is, after you have attached the new hardware
[10:53] <kromar> ok thanks a lot:D
[10:53] <gabkdlly> kromar: I have never done that myself though
[10:53] <gabkdlly> kromar: that is, switched out an entire Mainboard
[10:54] <kromar> ok, im gona report back after the upgrade... if everything worked:D
[10:54] <kromar> would you install the 64bit version on a phenom II and 4gb ram?
[10:55] <gabkdlly> kromar: I don't think xubuntu remembers what hardware you have, I think it looks for hardware at every boot, but I could be wrong
[10:56] <gabkdlly> kromar: I have no experience with phenom, but I believe you will not see the full 4gh unless you install a 64-bit system
[10:56] <kromar> ok, how do i burn the 64bit version to a cd in xubuntu?
[10:57] <gabkdlly> kromar: xubuntu comes with the burning utility Brasero, found in Applications -> Multimedia
[10:57] <gabkdlly> kromar: it gives you the option of burning an iso image
[10:57] <gabkdlly> kromar: don't forget to checksum your image before burning, though
[10:58] <gabkdlly> kromar: unless you got the image via bittorrent, then you don't need to
[10:58] <kromar> how do i checksum the image?
[10:58] <kromar> i downloaded it from the xubuntu page
[11:01] <gabkdlly> kromar: on the xubuntu page there will be files called MD5SUMS, or similar
[11:01] <gabkdlly> they will contain the hashes for the iso files
[11:02] <gabkdlly> you could for example run: md5sum ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[11:02] <gabkdlly> from a terminal
[11:02] <gabkdlly> or you can run a checksum with the torrent file
[11:03] <gabkdlly> if you prefer a GUI, you can use Transmission with the torrent file
[11:03] <kromar> is there a keyboard shortcut to start a terminal?
[11:03] <gabkdlly> Alt-F2
[11:04] <kromar> nice, thx
[11:05] <gabkdlly> alt-f2 lets you start any program
[11:05] <gabkdlly> for example xfce4-terminal, which is probably what you want
[11:06] <kromar> ok its the same, lets assume it would be different, then what would be wrong with the file? would it be not complete or a manipulated version or what?
[11:06] <gabkdlly> alternatively, you can run bash and check the "run in terminal" box, and that will have the same effect
[11:07] <gabkdlly> those are two possibilities, or there could have been a problem in the transmission, some packet got corrupted while transmitting over the internet
[11:07] <kromar> ok thanks for the info
[11:08] <kromar> can i bun it at max speed or is it recomenden to use a lower speed?
[11:08] <gabkdlly> lower speeds tend to be more reliable
[11:08] <gabkdlly> but a speed of 4x should be sufficiently safe
[11:09] <kromar> hmm could only choose 32 and 42:O
[11:09] <gabkdlly> that will probably be ok
[11:09] <gabkdlly> you can check the image after burning as well
[11:10] <gabkdlly> with brasero, or by booting in to the same disk and then running the check option
[11:11] <gabkdlly> "check CD for defects" or something like that
[11:14] <kromar> seems fine:D
[11:15] <gabkdlly> good :)
[11:15] <gabkdlly> welcome to ubuntu, by the way
[11:16] <gabkdlly> I will be gone in a couple of minutes
[11:16] <kromar> thanks:D im using it for some weeks now and im absolutely fascinated how easy everything is:d
[11:17] <gabkdlly> since you have lots of ram, you might try the ubuntu-desktop
[11:17] <gabkdlly> or any other desktop for that matter
[11:17] <tavasti> is there some 'known problems' list available for xubuntu 9.04 rc ?
[11:17] <gabkdlly> it is pretty easy to install and remove them
[11:18] <gabkdlly> tavasti: I believe there is, probably on the wiki
[11:18] <kromar> whats the difference from xubuntu desktop to ubuntu desktop?
[11:19] <tavasti> kromar, ubuntu == gnome, xubuntu == xfce
[11:19] <kromar> hmm so what do i gain from using gnome?
[11:21] <gabkdlly> tavasti: hmmm, looks like you might have to search launchpad
[11:21] <gabkdlly> tavasti: or at least, I am not finding it on the wiki right away
[11:22] <tavasti> gabkdlly, neither do I
[11:23] <gabkdlly> kromar: actually, I usually prefer xfce, which is why you find me here rather than in the main ubuntu channel
[11:24] <gabkdlly> kromar: but, ubuntu probably has more users than xubuntu, so issues might get addressed more quickly
[11:24] <gabkdlly> kromar: some people find gnome easier to use
[11:24] <kromar> i guess the ubuntu desktop has more "special effects" but thats exactly why i dont need it
[11:25] <tavasti> with gnome you get gnome filosophy
[11:25] <gabkdlly> kromar: but you can always try desktops out at no risks, and just wipe them afterwards if you don't like them
[11:25] <kromar> i tried ubuntu but i like xubuntu more
[11:25] <tavasti> 'we can't ask/show that for user, that's too complicated'
[11:25] <gabkdlly> kromar: ah, good for you :)
[11:25] <tavasti> and I have that!
[11:26] <tavasti> sorry, I hate that
[11:29] <gabkdlly> gnome tries to hide configuration options from its users
[11:29] <gabkdlly> so as not to overwhelm them
[11:29] <sarts> tavasti: instead of xfce filosofy: 'stupid config-dialogs... booooooooring' ;-)
[11:29] <sarts> but they get implemented though,
[11:30] <tavasti> sarts, actually I'm using fvwm :-)
[11:30] <tavasti> xfce panel and desktop
[11:31] <tavasti> and I would prefer config files, and proper manuals
[11:31] <Myrtti> hello
[11:49] <tgr_> hi i was wondering if the firefox in xubuntu is different than ubuntu firefox
[12:22] <Hetor> !how to restart the sound
[12:22] <Hetor> !sound
[12:25] <Hetor> !restart sound
[12:25] <Hetor> !restarting sound
[12:25] <Hetor> damn
[12:33] <BigMoopies> Hello, I have an issue that (starts) with Intrepid, My NIC will just flash and never gets an IP# (DHCP?).  The network connection just keeps trying to connect.  I went and looked at Jaunty's RC's and ran it live.  It does the same thing.  This does NOT happen in Hardy (I am using hardy).  Is there a way to see what hardy has that Intrepid and so on messed up so I can update to Intrepid, Jaunty, and so on?
[13:17] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all.
[13:21] <Hetor> hey
[13:37] <noumaan> Hi
[13:37] <Pres-Gas> Hello, noumaan
[13:37] <noumaan> We are planning to work on a remastered version of xubuntu in our local language
[13:38] <noumaan> we are a very small group of 3 or 4 people and we are thinking about translating Xubuntu and work on a version of it that has built in fantastic support for our locale
[13:39] <noumaan> but now the problem is that I cant find xubuntu as a translation project on launchpad
[13:39] <noumaan> there is ubuntu and I think all xubuntu packages are in there too but how do we know which packages we need to translate
[13:40] <Pres-Gas> !translate
[13:40] <noumaan> Pres-Gas,  I know and I am already there
[13:40] <Pres-Gas> ahhh
[13:40] <noumaan> but the think is we dont want to translate Ubuntu packages we just want to translate packages in xubuntu
[13:41] <noumaan> we are a small team so we need to minimize the work
[13:42] <Pres-Gas> noumaan, the problem with that is people who use your version and do not speak english may want/need to install packages that have not been translated and are big packages like evloution for example
[13:42] <Pres-Gas> What language, noumaan?
[13:42] <noumaan> Pres-Gas,  we considered that too and we have solution for that
[13:42] <noumaan> Urdu
[13:43] <Pres-Gas> Nice!
[13:43] <Pres-Gas> Is that a language that is left to right or right to left when you read it (pardon my ignorance)?
[13:43] <noumaan> the solution is that we will ship a documentation with our remastered version this document tells people that if they want to use some application that is not being translated they need to email us and we will translate it
[13:43] <Pres-Gas> Ahhh
[13:43] <noumaan> yes it is a right to left language
[13:44] <knome> noumaan, maybe you should just start ubuntu translation project and begin from the xubuntu default apps/desktop translations
[13:44] <noumaan> We think xubuntu can bring great changes in rural and less developed areas
[13:45] <noumaan> knome,  thats what we are thinking as an alternate solution
[13:45] <knome> noumaan, that is the way it should be done.
[13:46] <knome> noumaan, then if somebody wants to translate ubuntu into urdu, they already have your work for start
[13:46] <noumaan> ok so lets rephrase the question how do we get the list of packages installed during a default xubuntu installation?
[13:46] <Pres-Gas> noumaan, have you posted to any of the (x)ubuntu mailing lists for translators in Urdu?  There may be ways for you to expand your team in that way and I am sure Canonical can be helpful as well as the community.  Considering I am from Indiana USA and have heard of the languange, I am sure there is a need for it to be translated to it.
[13:46] <noumaan> ohh last year we tried translating ubuntu but failed because its too huge for our small team
[13:46] <knome> noumaan, 'apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop'
[13:47] <noumaan> knome,  god why this didnt came to my mind :)
[13:47] <Pres-Gas> noumaan, I think it is great what you are doing.  Kudos for you and your team for just jumping in there!
[13:47] <noumaan> Pres-Gas,  actually we have already released Urdu Slax
[13:47] <Pres-Gas> Very nice
[13:48] <noumaan> but you know slax is not supported on lots of hardware and providing support for it is difficult
[13:48] <noumaan> We think that Ubuntu repositories is the way to popularize linux in Urdu language
[13:49] <noumaan> and I mean when I think what great changes it could bring to Urdu computing its just wonderful
[13:49] <Pres-Gas> noumaan, is this your team?  http://www.iosn.net/south-asia/countries/pakistan/news/urdulinux/
[13:49] <noumaan> Pres-Gas,  no
[13:50] <noumaan> Pres-Gas,  unfortunately these people in the official team they hardly work
[13:50] <noumaan> as you can see during last so many years they have only translated 1000 or so strings
[13:51] <noumaan> they are too bureaucratic to be volunteers on an open source project
[13:51] <noumaan> our team consists of me I am also part of Ubuntu Pakistan and Ubuntu Urdu teams
[13:52] <noumaan> and Makki the guy who translated XFCE 4.1 his translations are now outdated but some of them are available in ubuntu
[13:52] <Pres-Gas> Ahhh, so I would assume you have researched this enough with "http://www.google.com/search?q=Urdu+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8" and contacted some of the resources in the first couple of links?  Can you tell I am about teaming up?   ;)
[13:53] <noumaan> yeah I know all these efforts and I know most of the guys and the work they have done
[13:53] <noumaan> so Pres-Gas  what you suggest we should do to increase the size of the team?
[13:54] <noumaan> Pres-Gas,  we actually need someone to help us translate installer and teach us how to test our translations
[13:55] <noumaan> and we want to keep the workload minimum so that it is possible for us to release promptly
[13:57] <Pres-Gas> noumaan, I think knome has put you on the right path.  I would suggest that as well as a general email to the (x)ubuntu lists.
[13:58] <noumaan> ok i will announce on xubuntu lists and urdu linux forums
[13:59] <noumaan> Pres-Gas,  thank you for the help I think I should get going I need to make the list of packages and email it to translators
[14:41] <Pres-Gas> Hey, charlie-tca
[14:41] <charlie-tca> Good morning, Pres-Gas
[14:56] <Hetor> is it possible to play music from another computer (LAN) in Xfmedia?
[14:58] <Pres-Gas> Hetor, are you mounting the filesystem that holds that music somehow?
[14:59] <Hetor> no
[14:59] <Hetor> I'm trying to add a SMB folder to the playlist
[15:00] <Pres-Gas> Then you are mounting the folder(filesystem) to your machine.
[15:00] <Hetor> huh
[15:00] <Pres-Gas> If you are able to successfully do that, you should be able to point xfmedia to that mount and play music from it
[15:01] <Hetor> how do I have to use 'mount' command?
[15:05] <Pres-Gas> I would read up on the manpage mount.cifs, Hetor: http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs
[15:14] <Pres-Gas> effie_jayx, you have some issues, it would seem.
[15:15] <Pres-Gas> Exactly
[15:15] <charlie-tca> unstable internet connection
[15:16] <Pres-Gas> Indeed, charlie-tca
[15:16] <charlie-tca> probably ISP related
[15:16] <Pres-Gas> Yeah
[15:17]  * Pres-Gas is testing out Xubu 9.04 on the Dell Mini 9...ecryptfs hits resources pretty good...but not terrible
[15:17] <charlie-tca> Great! I heard the Dell Mini 9 had issues with Xubuntu. Let me know, huh?
[15:18] <Pres-Gas> I would say I am relatively happy with performance...I suspect without ecryptfs would make it much faster...I am almost afraid to play with flash
[15:18] <charlie-tca> What I saw was that it won't even boot it
[15:18] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, I am very happy with it...boots fine for me and works well.
[15:19] <charlie-tca> That's why I was hoping. Maybe a problem elsewhere.
[15:19] <Pres-Gas> I am having some issues with java being "seen" by FF, but I suspect it is my own PEBKAC error
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that is not uncommon
[15:19] <Pres-Gas> Well, does xubuntu-restricted point to sun java or the open one?
[15:20] <Pres-Gas> I do not have it booted ATM
[15:20] <charlie-tca> good question. I don't know, since I try not to use it.
[15:20] <Pres-Gas> No java?  wow
[15:20] <Pres-Gas> gcj?
[15:21] <_Pete_> anyidea how to get amarok1 to 9.04xubuntu
[15:21] <charlie-tca> No, no xubuntu-restricted. I install Sun Java from the repositories
[15:21] <_Pete_> this amarok2 suxx
[15:22] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, ahh...me too (from now on)  ;)
[15:22] <charlie-tca> _Pete_: yes, if it still available
[15:23] <BooVeMan_work> charlie-tca: what wrong with openjdk?
[15:23] <_Pete_> not in the default repos
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Give me a minute, _Pete_
[15:23] <_Pete_> I give you 2
[15:23] <BooVeMan_work> its in kubuntu an ubuntu - why not in xubuntu - seem starnge
[15:23] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, my install is still relatively fresh...I could boot it up and test some other things if you want to point me to a problem list (is it launchpad)?
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Pres-Gas: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/BugWatch
[15:24] <charlie-tca> BooVeMan_work: I did not anything was wrong with it, just that I don't use it
[15:25] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, heading that way now.  openjdk does not seem to be supported ATM with the juniper networks ssl-vpn setup I have at my workplace...I am testing that now for different linux distros.
[15:25]  * Pres-Gas works support for a university
[15:25] <Pres-Gas> Linux support
[15:25] <Pres-Gas> w00t
[15:25] <charlie-tca> \o/
[15:26] <Pres-Gas> I like blowing crap up and not having someone come down on me with their hair on fire.
[15:26] <Pres-Gas> :D
[15:26] <charlie-tca> _Pete_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Introduction%20to%20Holding%20Packages
[15:26] <charlie-tca> If you can find it in 8.10 or 8.04, this should help
[15:27] <charlie-tca> Pres-Gas: That would make it easier, huh.
[15:27] <_Pete_> so you are suggesting pinning amarok and then installing packages fro 8.xx ?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> No, holding
[15:28] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, and then you get to come in on the white horse and save the day (unless of course, it just no workie).
[15:28] <charlie-tca> I think, _Pete_
[15:28] <Pres-Gas> ...like cifs mounts on Win serv 2008 shares
[15:29] <charlie-tca> At any rate, if you install an older version, you have to either hold or pin to keep it from updating to the new version
[15:29] <_Pete_> right
[15:29] <_Pete_> just wondering what mess it will be
[15:29] <_Pete_> since amarok has lots of dependencies
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Always a good thing to ponder
[15:30] <Pres-Gas> cmus for the win.  Though I have a soft spot for Amarok
[15:30] <charlie-tca> but you did ask! I just try to answer the question as asked.
[15:30] <_Pete_> well answered, thanks
[15:36] <_Pete_> charlie-tca: looks like others have got same idea
[15:36] <_Pete_> http://nomad.ca/blog/2009/apr/3/amarok-14-jaunty-ubuntu-904/
[15:38] <charlie-tca> yup! and using amarok14 instead of amarok for the name should keep it from updating, I think
[15:38] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, I am not seeing any official reports about Mini 9's and no boot for 9.04.  Did I miss that?  I am still looking in case I am blind.
[15:39] <charlie-tca> No, I don't think it got reported when I asked. I think they just went away
[15:40] <Pres-Gas> lol
[15:40] <charlie-tca> You know, sometimes it is "ask and hope" here.
[15:40] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, I hear that
[15:41] <_Pete_> so far haven't found not one kde app which v4 is better than v3
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Just run Xubuntu, you won't even need to look for any.
[15:45] <_Pete_> I do
[15:45] <Pres-Gas> _Pete_, what features are you married to with Amarok?
[15:46] <_Pete_> last.fm for starters
[15:47] <_Pete_> and general usability, but that's of cource mostly what you are used to
[15:47] <Pres-Gas> lastfmsubmitd - submission daemon for the Last.fm social music network
[15:47] <Pres-Gas> lastmp - MPD client for lastfmsubmitd
[15:48] <Pres-Gas> minirok - a small music player written in Python and inspired by Amarok
[15:48] <Pres-Gas> xmms2-scrobbler - Audioscrobbler/Last.FM client for xmms2
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Doesn't Listen do last.fm?
[15:48] <Pres-Gas> xmms2-plugin-lastfm - XMMS2 - Last.FM plugin
[15:49]  * Pres-Gas shrugs, charlie-tca
[15:51] <kromar> hi
[15:51] <Pres-Gas> Hey, kromar
[15:52] <kromar> im setting up a new partition for the installation and wanted to ask what the "Bootable flag" is for and if i need that on the system partition?
[15:56] <kromar> anyone?
[15:56] <Pres-Gas> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootable
[15:56] <kromar> thanks
[15:57] <kromar> you also have a link for "Reserved blocks"?
[15:57] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, look at the section "Boot sequence on standard PC (IBM-PC compatible)", kromar
[15:57] <Pres-Gas> Reserved blocks are for root to have breathing room in case the drive fills up
[15:58] <charlie-tca> kromar: only needed for windows
[15:58] <charlie-tca> you don't need the bootable for Linux
[15:58] <kromar> so no need for reserved blocks?
[15:59] <kromar> ah ok
[15:59] <charlie-tca> It reserves 5% of the partition automatically in Xubuntu/Ubuntu
[15:59] <kromar> well im installing the 64bit xubuntu and the setup looks a bit different and has a bit more options:O
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Is that Jaunty?
[16:00] <kromar> whats Jaunty?
[16:01] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, are you sure that it is not a good practice to make "bootable" the linux partition in cases like you using a non-grub boot manager?
[16:01] <Pres-Gas> kromar, 9.04
[16:01] <kromar> no its 8.10
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Linux does not use the "bootable" mark at all. If you are using windows boot manager, it will confuse it
[16:02] <charlie-tca> since you can only have one bootable partition under windows
[16:02] <Pres-Gas> hmmm...good to know.  Where are docs on that, charlie-tca?
[16:02] <kromar> then why is there even an option to change it? o_O
[16:02] <charlie-tca> damned if I know
[16:03] <Pres-Gas> LOL
[16:03] <charlie-tca> I think it is legacy
[16:03] <charlie-tca> needed it many years ago
[16:03] <Pres-Gas> You using that as the answer to BOTH of our questions, charlie-tca?  ;)
[16:03] <charlie-tca> yeah
[16:03] <charlie-tca> I can't remember where I found it
[16:04] <charlie-tca> It just sticks in my brain now
[16:04] <charlie-tca> You can mark it if you want to, it doesn't hurt anything. I have tried both ways.
[16:04] <Pres-Gas> All good, charlie-tca.
[16:05] <charlie-tca> Even used to mark all of my installations bootable, up to 10 on a hard drive.
[16:05] <Pres-Gas> ...gotta be prepared for anything....cover all the bases
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Sure. Preparation is always good
[16:06] <kromar> :D
[16:07] <Pres-Gas> Ye gods...I have someone who is using lokkit, and then a script that seems to promptly stomp on the lokkit chain with a iptables -F
[16:07] <charlie-tca> LOL
[16:07] <Pres-Gas> Methinks it is time to throw down the ufw love.
[16:13] <Ruadh> Hi all
[16:19] <charlie-tca> !hi | Ruadh
[17:06] <natjo> Is the new DVD-/+RW drive I'm going to buy today going to be automatically detected when I install it?
[17:06] <natjo> or do i have to prepare for it by pre-installing certain things?
[17:10] <celthunder> natio should be recognized automatically...assuming your bios recognizes it fine
[17:12] <natjo> celthunder, okay thanks then I Q'ed and you A'ed and the bios should recognize it i'm not running a weird system just a run of the mill 6 yr old Dell
[17:13] <celthunder> natjo, yeah youll be fine then
[17:13] <celthunder> natjo, make sure you get an ide...unless you got a system with sata ports  (which from dell 6 years ago...doubt it)
[17:14]  * natjo makes note IDE not SATA
[17:14] <natjo> anyway i'm going now thanks for the answer celthunder
[17:14] <celthunder> np later natjo
[18:08] <Nikola> Hello.
[18:09] <Nikola> Is Xubuntu better for Laptops than Ubuntu>
[18:09] <CppIsWeird> how can i tell if xubuntu is running a usb device on usb 1 or 2?
[18:09] <Nikola> ?
[18:10] <CppIsWeird> Nikola, not really.
[18:11] <CppIsWeird> only in the indirect way of it using xfce which is a lightweight wm which will use less resources which will cut battery life
[18:16] <Nikola> Oh, well i am looking for a different OS for my laptop, because my cooler is ALWAYS geting alot of heat out, because of Windows Vista =/
[18:19] <CppIsWeird> try a can of air
[18:19] <CppIsWeird> and vista doesnt help either.
[18:20] <Nikola> They just put Vista on my laptop for Marketing purpose :(
[18:20] <CppIsWeird> this looks like an interesting article. i dont know if it is to taylor ubuntu to laptop or just getting it past all the usual driver issues. http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/11/17/ubuntu_laptop.html
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Nikola: Xubuntu makes a *big* difference on low-end or old hardware.
[20:01] <kromar1> any suggestions for a system font?
[20:01] <charlie-tca> DejaVu Sans is nice
[20:02] <SiDi> kromar1 Droid sans here
[20:02] <SiDi> I'm in love with it
[20:03] <SiDi> and it has a serif, a mono and a mono sans versions
[20:03] <kromar1> hmm thats not in my font list:(
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Mine either. I have used DejaVu Sans Book 10 for a long time
[20:09] <SiDi> http://www.ascenderfonts.com/info/droid-fonts.aspx
[20:17] <kromar1> where are the fonts located?
[20:20] <SiDi> Actually i'm not sure its those
[20:20] <SiDi> give me a second
[20:20] <kromar1> wtf they want 90$ for that font on the page you linked:D
[20:20] <SiDi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Human-Reprise kromar1
[20:20] <SiDi> see here
[20:20] <SiDi> at the mid/bottom there is a package called ttf droid
[20:25] <kromar1> which NVIDIA driver should i install in the hardware drivers window?
[20:28] <charlie-tca> What are your choices?
[20:29] <kromar1> 173, 177, 180
[20:29] <charlie-tca> 180 if it works. It is the latest one
[20:30] <kromar1> hm during installation my computer name was set to the ip somehow, can i change that?
[20:30] <kromar1> charlie-tca: thx
[20:31] <charlie-tca> change the ip by adding a connection and manually changing it to the one you want.
[20:32] <kromar1> well i dont want to change the ip, i want to change the name of the computer
[20:34] <charlie-tca> Oh, that is much harder.
[20:34] <charlie-tca> !hostname
[20:34] <kromar1> hm
[20:34] <charlie-tca> hostname is the computer name
[20:37] <Sniper606>  Whats a good .chm viewer for Linux?
[20:39] <Jabone> I've used gnochm
[20:41] <SiDi> !hamachi
[20:41] <charlie-tca> !info hamachi
[20:43] <SiDi> its ok charlie-tca its for a guy in #winehq but he actually has what he needs :p i just thought ubottu would know about any good doc
[20:43] <charlie-tca> sometimes it does, sometimes it is just a dumb robot
[22:11] <Rusty_AU> any major changes in Xubuntu in 9.04?
[22:11] <cody-somerville> yea
[22:11] <cody-somerville> New version of Xfce4
[22:12] <SiDi> omg...
[22:12] <SiDi> some people lack education
[22:14] <cody-somerville> O'rly?
[22:15] <sarts> cody-somerville: that, or proper manners.
[22:15] <sarts> (or both)
[22:15] <sarts> I prefer to blame ignorance, the alternative usually pisses me off
[22:19] <charlie-tca> I prefer the idea they just got disconnected, personally. It is easier on me
[22:21] <sarts> heh
[22:21] <sarts> yuh