[00:01] kb9vqf: Joys of being unofficial :) [00:01] :) [00:04] apachelogger: yes, nice one. [00:09] apachelogger: I believe we usually notice Ubuntu changes *after* hell breaks loose === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Can you feel the love tonight? [00:25] _sime: seaLne knows where's good for akademy [00:32] apachelogger: you tried to highlight or were tired to? (small typo in your blog) [00:32] apachelogger++, liked that blog post :) [01:25] apachelogger: Excellent blog [01:35] is the official kubuntu 9.04 announcement available for translators? [02:07] rgreening: ping [02:11] apachelogger: yes, definitely a good blog post. very well said [02:17] JontheEchidna: same for yours as well ;) [02:23] claydoh: pong [02:24] hi rgreening any links or useful info for the release notes regarding lpia? [02:25] lpia install from alternate was flawless, with one small caveat. During install, dhcp failed to work, so no live update. However, all worked as expected after reboot. [02:26] This was on my Acer One 110 [02:26] rgreening: dhcp bug should be fixed. [02:26] That was in the last kernel upload. [02:26] ScottK: cool. [02:26] Just for you. [02:26] ScottK: :) [02:26] hahahaa [02:26] are there any wiki pages or links? esp for downloads? [02:26] I'll try it again tomorrow then [02:27] claydoh: not that I am aware. [02:27] claydoh: I just dl the img and used usb-creator to make the usb stick to install from [02:27] There's probably UNR instructions on doing that that apply with our image. [02:27] other than that, same as any other alt install for x86 [02:28] ya [02:28] Riddell: Anything to do for the website or will you take care of it? [02:28] btw, the remix stuff was crap... in what I tried a few weeks back. [02:29] ryanakca: Talk to NCommander about adding some powerpc stuff to the release announcement. [02:29] will all the ports be available in the normal downloads, or do folks have to hunt for them? [02:29] Ports aren't mirrored. [02:29] I know that. [02:29] I only see images in the ports area [02:30] I think that's where they will be. [02:30] so i can just oint to that then when its all live [02:30] s/oint/point [02:31] claydoh: I'm writing a german release announcement, is the english one public? [02:31] sabdfl: ping. Re: Your blog I think that as before when some projects were eager for a time based release and some were wary The proper time for a long support period will depend from project to project. some will be doing crazy things in the early releases (Compiz comes to mind) while some will want the early releases to be stable as quickly as possible so they can break away from the old release (which they hate) [02:31] neversfelde: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Final/Kubuntu [02:31] claydoh: thank you [02:32] sabdfl: The reason for making the big changes is probably a vital consideration [02:32] NCommander: Hi, I'm supposed to talk to you about adding some powerpc stuff to the release announcement? [02:43] Crap [02:43] I had said I'd do a human changelog didn't I ? [02:52] apachelogger: well said! [03:02] hey fellows, Just testing the 2009-04-20 RC release and I'm wondering why I can't move around my screens in the Display config. It allows me to rotate them, but not set them beside eachother. I can only duplicate. [03:02] Graphics card is a Radeon Mobile x600 [03:04] socceroos: you will get better support in #kubuntu [03:05] ok, thanks neversfelde [03:05] yo [03:21] * JontheEchidna waves hi to vorian [03:23] * vorian waves hi back [03:24] * ScottK slaps an "apologist for management" sticker on JontheEchidna's forehead. [03:31] kb9vqf: ping [03:31] Daskreech: pong [03:31] Can the KDE3 CDs be installed alongside KDE4 ? [03:31] ? [03:31] or do they conflict on ~/$KDEHOME [03:31] where do they save config? [03:31] You can install KDE4 and KDE3 side by side, no problem [03:31] KDE3 is in ~/.kde3 [03:31] it has a ~/.kde3 ? [03:31] Ye [03:31] Yes [03:31] cool [03:32] I think the only conflict at all is in the default-settings packages [03:34] you know, for karmic konqueror should really use update-notifier-kde for notifying the user about flash [03:40] that wouldn't be too hard for konqueror, but if they use other browsers... [03:41] It already prompts/installs the package [03:41] it just doesn't do it through update-notifier-kde [03:42] also sites that do flash detection on their own such as youtube won't trigger the prompt [03:44] I mean, all it'd take is a dbus call from konqueror [03:45] oh, yeah [03:45] firefox would be hard [04:02] karmic konqueror [04:02] I likes :) [04:10] hey all [04:10] ScottK, raphink poke? [04:12] NCommander: I think you want ryanakca. [04:12] * NCommander is half-dead ATM [04:12] actually, I'm on life support ;.; [04:15] NCommander: Pastebin some text. [04:16] ScottK, I'm having issues testing it, but sure, I'll cook something up [06:26] <_sime> Riddell: thanks. I [06:26] <_sime> Riddell: I'll ask him. [06:41] whois kb9vqf [06:41] err, that didn't work [06:42] :) [06:42] kb9vqf: did you just start following me on twitter? [06:42] some ham radio nut and linux buff is following me now, you were my first suspect :p [06:42] nope, it isn't kb9vqf [07:31] nixternal: Nope, that's not me :) [07:32] nixternal: Actually, I've never used (or even seen) twitter in my life! [07:32] * kb9vqf feels old [07:33] * Daskreech hands kb9vqf his komplimentary walKer [07:33] * kb9vqf runs Daskreech over with it [07:33] :) [07:34] Ow your leather sandals chafe [08:12] <_Sime> seaLne: ping [08:45] NCommander: yes? [09:08] hm [09:08] do we have a party today? [09:08] !party [09:08] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Jaunty release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties [09:09] * jussi01 waves to apachelogger [09:09] you know, I don't feel like joining a ubuntu channel :P [09:11] _Sime: pong? [09:11] Attention! Ambuscade! joining #kubuntu-release-party leads to the ubuntu one [09:11] like we wouldn't have expected that [09:17] happy release day everyone [09:18] happy release day sabdfl :) [09:18] feeling groovy! [09:18] happy release day sabdfl!! :D [09:18] how do you guys feel about kubuntu 9.04? [09:20] sabdfl: from my view itll have a similar rep to feisty - an excellent release. [09:21] <_Sime> seaLne: Hi, I'm trying to get my accommodation for GCDS organised. Can you recommend a hotel and group? (sharing) [09:27] _Sime: it really depends what price etc you are looking for, have you looked at the http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/hotels page? the sharing is just really up to you to find someone [09:27] Congratulations Everybody and here's to the next release [09:28] <_Sime> seaLne: I'm looking for cheap. But the problem the sharing. Is there are a kubuntu group? [09:29] not that i'm aware of, i'm sharing an apartment with Riddell [09:29] sabdfl: happy release day! Kubuntu 9.04 is a good release, it makes fun to work with esp. with KDEs possiblilites. Speaking for Germanspeaking Kubuntu Community it is a pity that translations are broken again . [09:30] <_Sime> seaLne: ok, I guess that's full then. [09:30] _Sime: yeah sorry [09:30] blizzz: do you know what the LP guys are doing about kde translations? [09:32] <_Sime> seaLne: thanks for your help anyway. ;-) [09:32] sabdfl: i'm afraid i have no deep knowledge in that issue. apachelogger has mor insight and blogged about it recently [09:33] _Sime: sorry it wasn't much use, trying to manage the groups leads to an incredable amount of work unfortunatly [09:34] http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2009/04/facts-about-rosetta-and-kubuntu-l10n.html [09:37] sabdfl: unkown [09:38] sabdfl: I will create a list of major issues and present it to the responsible people, there are problems on multiple levels really. === dpm_ is now known as dpm [09:38] i got to go to work, bye [09:38] blizzz: have fun :P [09:39] apachelogger: ty, i will :þ [09:43] apachelogger: I have just joined the Community team as Ubuntu Translations Coordinator. I'm aware of the Kubuntu issues and I also read your blog post this morning. Please feel free to e-mail me with the list of issues and I'll be glad to help [09:44] apachelogger: david.planella ubuntu.com [09:44] dpm: thanks, I'll do that :) [09:50] apachelogger: also please feel free to add any Kubuntu l10n related issues there -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu/JauntyTranslationIssues, which is a useful overview for translators and developers === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Let's get ready to party! [09:58] JontheEchidna: ^ please update that wiki page [09:58] claydoh: announce ready to be copied? [09:58] hi guys, there was this ppa for Qt 4.5 on kubuntu 8.10 right? [09:59] could someone give me the required entry for my sources.list? [09:59] I need it for development (and yeah, I could just update to 9.04 but I don't want to risk to break anything right now) [09:59] and yeah I think just updating qt is less risky :) [10:00] milian: actually I don't of one [10:00] hm I'm most sure I once read about it but cant find it right now [10:00] thats strange [10:01] experimental probably [10:01] but if it really ships Qt 4.5 you should reconsider using it [10:01] that is really experimental in 8.10 :P [10:02] nope, not in -experimental [10:02] then I don't recommend trying it at all :P [10:03] apachelogger: I'd need it for development [10:03] update to 9.04 [10:03] so well, I should maybe just update then after all... [10:03] let's hope it doesn't break to much [10:03] as long as the archive servers don't die [10:03] though one thing: is the intel driver fixed now? [10:03] * tsimpson wonders if the Qt SDK for Linux would be better [10:03] or maybe you should use some unkown mirror [10:04] I read about it not working on phoronix [10:04] -not working +being awfully slow [10:04] never noticed any slowness [10:04] probably only affected certain chips [10:04] hm so lets try [10:04] how are you doing btw? [10:07] * apachelogger is tired because he studied rosetta half the night :P [10:07] * Riddell is groovy because it's release day! [10:07] * apachelogger is groovy because justice is making his speakers bounce [10:08] if I had radio setup I would do a radio show right now [10:08] I think I'll just checkout qtcopy and compile that for now [10:41] NCommander: what should I say about powerpc and other ports? [10:42] currently we have "Kubuntu 9.04 now supports the lpia architecture, so you can now enjoy KDE on your Intel Atom based netbook." [11:41] Riddell: I'm around for the next half hour or so, what can I do? [11:44] ryanakca: read over node/78 [11:44] I'm still editing [12:02] Sweet topic :D [12:19] someone with amd64 around? [12:22] #ubuntu-release-party is a bit mad [12:22] apachelogger: mibby [12:22] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/staging/ubuntu jaunty main [12:22] install kde-nightly [12:33] how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release [12:35] looks good [12:36] +1 [12:36] Riddell: do we support 8.04 to next LTS? [12:37] if not it probably should be mentioned that 8.04 to 9.04 is the only supported upgrade path [12:37] apachelogger: not officially although I think we should make sure it works [12:37] seems fin [12:37] e [12:37] I wonder if we should support 8.04 to 9.10 though [12:37] infact I think we should [12:38] yeah there will definitly be people waiting for a second 4 release before installing [12:38] Riddell: I would be worrid about the foundations in that scenario [12:39] so, IMHO 8.04 to next LTS should be the only other path [12:39] that means people are running it unsupported [12:43] apachelogger: kde-nightly installs [12:43] Riddell: does it also work? [12:43] there is a session option in kdm [12:44] hmm, that would require me getting out of bed [12:44] lol [12:44] install nx [12:45] ooh, xephyr over ssh -X works well [12:46] apachelogger: looking great [12:46] yay [12:46] Riddell: thanks a lot [12:46] ScottK: kdebase stack building ... now if only the buildds would not try to build everything on amd64... [12:47] apachelogger: hmm, no window borders though [12:47] Riddell: screenshot please [12:47] might be broken KDE though ;-) [12:49] Riddell: btw, I just went through old kde-l10n discussions about rosetta ... carsten once came up with an idea that rosetta should fetch translations directly from KDE SVN [12:49] do you think that would make sense + is possible? [12:49] http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/snapshot1.png [12:50] * apachelogger thinks that this might be dangerous when a string has to be changed and translation and our pot files get out of sync [12:50] apachelogger: fetching (and sending) directory from svn has been talked about since the start but I havn't seen it happen [12:50] I'll add it to the complaints [12:51] Riddell: I guess it would make sense to use KDE's reviewboard thingy? [12:51] that way KDE l10n forms a seperate QA position [12:51] apachelogger: starting kwin manually fixes my issue [12:51] I've never looked reviewboard I admit [12:51] me never :D [12:51] but in theory it would make sense I assume [12:52] * apachelogger is wondering how fedora does it [12:52] that transifex thingy they are using looks actually quite awesome [12:52] and more mature [12:53] rdieter: how do you upstream translation changes to KDE? diff? [12:56] ~twitter update nearly there! [12:56] hmm, no bot? [13:02] how do the cool kids twitter these days? [13:02] hm [13:02] you gotta ask ophra :P [13:03] Riddell: choqok [13:03] though, the cool kids use identi.ca nowadays [13:03] being open source and not having ophra as user... :P [13:04] I really don't get why people care about the twitter source code above any other of the 99.99% of websites that don't have source code available [13:05] Riddell: because there is a sensible alternative (which IMHO actually is better in most areas) [13:06] yea - identi.ca is better - it being open source is a bonus imho [13:08] apachelogger: Thanks. [13:09] Nightrose: Personally I don't consider licenses that place restrictions on my ability to modify code for my own use free (AGPL), so open source, yes, but not particularly free IMO. [13:10] hmm yea [13:10] more free than twitter in any case [13:10] True, that. [13:10] So I hear Qt 4.5.1 has been released. Will it be included in Jaunty? [13:11] ScottK: how does AGPL place restrictions on modifying code? [13:12] Riddell: If I modify it and run it in a way that interacts with the outside world (to paraphrase), I have to distribute my changes. [13:12] GPL traditionally only affect distribution. [13:12] ~version [13:12] I'm a v. 0.9.15-git (master branch, revision beefd7f [gettext: support version 2]) [2 days, 15 hours, 43 minutes and 42 seconds ago] rubybot, (c) Tom Gilbert and the rbot development team - http://ruby-rbot.org [13:12] ScottK: that's not a restriction on modifying (or using) [13:13] Riddell: Sure it is, I can only modify it if I distribute it. That's a restriction. [13:14] it's a restriction to ensure continued freedom. and it doesn't restrict modification [13:14] That's one view. I view it as a restriction on my freedom to modify code. [13:15] secret BSD fan are we? :) [13:15] There are things for which I am a fan of BSD. [13:16] If I'm trying to spread a technology into both FOSS and proprietary systems, it's the only way to go. [13:16] I don't, however, generally use it for my own work. [13:16] Actually, I like MIT in that class of licenses better anyway. [13:16] Gotta run. [13:16] this choqok thing is showing me twitter replied I never knew I had [13:17] * JontheEchidna yawns [13:17] people are actually using twitter to send me moderately important messages [13:17] :D [13:17] * apachelogger hugs Riddell [13:19] whoa, bug 334657 has a patch [13:19] Launchpad bug 334657 in qt4-x11 "Subpixel/Lcd mode with VRGB/VBGR makes qt4 applications on Jaunty unreadable" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334657 [13:20] btw, how did firefox get an SRU before karmic was open for development? [13:20] JontheEchidna: security doesn't need SRU [13:21] oh right, firefox point releases are security [13:21] but shouldn't it have gone in -security then? [13:21] is it not? [13:21] nope, -updates [13:21] kpk showed it as security updates here [13:21] Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty-updates/main firefox-3.0 3.0.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 [887kB] [13:22] magic I guess [13:24] hi [13:29] so when does karmic open? I want to get this font corruption SRU'd as soon as possible [13:29] *font corruption fix [13:33] JontheEchidna: karmic doesn't have anything to do with SRU [13:33] usually takes a week or so for toolchain to get in and stuff to open [13:36] Riddell: don't you have to push the fix into the latest development version before you can SRU? [13:37] JontheEchidna: not if you can convince the SRU person it needs in more speedily [13:37] * Riddell rolls a drum [13:38] I'm preparing packages for upload to my PPA so that people can test it [13:39] * Riddell beats out a tune on the drum [13:40] * JontheEchidna remembers that qt4-x11 takes 30 mins to do a debuild -S [13:48] * Riddell holds breath while rolling drum [13:51] kubuntu.org is already being hammered [13:55] Mamarok: ping [13:56] ladies and gentlemen.... [13:56] I present to you [13:56] the labour of your wonderful work for the last six months, Kubuntu 9.04! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release [13:56] \o/ [13:56] * Quintasan starts claping his hands [13:56] ~order party [13:56] * kubotu gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti. [13:56] * kubotu turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball. [13:56] apachelogger: wanna dance with me? :-) [13:56] * kubotu starts shaking her tight ass === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: You are beautiful! [13:57] \o/ [13:57] ~np [13:57] apachelogger is listening to "Beautiful" by Moby [Hotel, 2005]; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [13:57] * Quintasan is listening to Morbicae I'ma Firin' Mah Lazor [13:57] * Riddell hugs apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Quintasan [13:57] SHOOP DA WHOOOOOOOP [13:58] * Quintasan hugs everyone === barteqx is now known as siekacz [13:58] ^_^ [13:58] * apachelogger hugs the whole far too small channel and throws cookies [13:58] * Riddell snogs jefferai [13:58] JontheEchidna: how do you feel about l10n? [13:59] * Quintasan greets jefferai with his lazor [13:59] a bit depressed, but cautiously optimistic about the future [13:59] I mean, it's not exactly horrible. But it still sorta sucks [14:00] congratulations to everyone who worked on this release :-) [14:00] * Quintasan shakes his own hand [14:01] kubotu is a her? [14:01] I just noticed I'm looking for bugs to fix @_@ [14:02] Riddell: that depends on the point of few I suppose [14:02] JontheEchidna: check inbox [14:02] kk [14:03] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Kubuntu_9_04_Out_in_the_Wild [14:03] digg it! [14:03] hm [14:03] digg is now completely useless in konqueror [14:05] apachelogger: your doc looketh good [14:06] still not complete though [14:08] probably need to mention that really old templates need to go when they are no longer being uploaded [14:09] yeah [14:09] I think that rosetta needs to get tighter binding with soyuz [14:10] it is more behaving like a general translation system rather than one which is currently mostly used for stuff that comes from packages and goes to packages [14:10] JontheEchidna: feel free to add stuff [14:10] uh [14:11] JontheEchidna: do you think it should be able to browse by type? [14:11] i.e. filter all desktop files [14:11] or documentation [14:11] ... [14:11] that would be neat [14:12] * apachelogger thinks there should be a general query composer [14:12] whoa, I just wrote "crush the cruft" without using K's :D [14:13] oh dear! [14:16] * JontheEchidna added a new paragraph [14:20] JontheEchidna: IMHO it should mail the uploader of $version where the template is not available anymore and ask whether to remove or remove later (which will trigger a mail once new devel cycle starts) [14:20] or of course an "I scrwed up" option ;-) [14:21] * Sput likes "You screwed up" options more [14:21] sounds sensible [14:26] Congrats Kubuntu Peeps! [14:27] Job Well Done :) [14:29] Sput: btw, I thik quassel should only fetch backlog for channels I joined [14:32] JontheEchidna: updated [14:37] apachelogger: (sorry for the belated reply wrt translations), but for kde/translations, we generally do everything upstream (either via submitting patches/diffs, or simply committing directly to kde svn) [14:38] Riddell: All things man made unless other wise specified are female [14:39] rdieter: you don't add strings via patches? [14:40] * apachelogger pulls Daskreech's nose [14:41] * Daskreech beeps [14:43] apachelogger: ah, we try to avoid that (with rare exceptions) [14:48] rdieter: hehe, ok, thanks :) [14:48] jefferai: you need to fix your connection :P [15:01] JontheEchidna and apachelogger: Stuff that's published in -security also gets copied to -upates since it's mirrored and -security isn't. [15:02] ah, sensible I guess [15:04] Estimated build start: in 15 minutes [15:04] ~meh [15:12] Riddell: The Intel release note we have provides a lot less information than the one in the Ubuntu release notes. I'd suggest we update our note with a copy/paste or link to that one. [15:15] hm [15:15] launchpad seems somewhat slow :P [15:17] apachelogger: When is that not true? [15:18] I mean more than usually [15:20] Canoncial data center is probably pretty hammered. [15:30] apachelogger: pong [15:30] Mamarok: you are into localization? [15:31] not lately, but yes [15:32] * Mamarok did some translations to French [15:33] Mamarok: wanna help with fixing the kubuntu l10n process? [15:33] if I can do so, yes [15:34] that mess needs all the hands it can get anyway [15:34] Mamarok: see inbox [15:34] jonny and moi are working on a paper explaining all the issues we have with the current stuff [15:35] * Mamarok reads [15:37] ouch, direct from Rosetta is a no go IMHO, that would break too much stuff [15:37] I think what should be done on Rosetta is also preventing mr Everybody to translate stuff [15:38] why would there be changes to go to upstream when everything is well done there? Shouldn't it be the other way around? [15:39] * Mamarok thinkgs what Rosetta needs is much more team control [15:39] -g [15:39] it seems to work for Gnome, why doesn't it for KDE? [15:39] apachelogger: please remember to send such document to the ubuntu-translators list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators, so that translators can join the discussion. It would be good to see more Kubuntu people there === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:40] Mamarok: there is not much of a team, german consits of one dood [15:40] *consists [15:40] dpm: aye aye [15:41] the French have a nice team on Rosetta, and nothing gets past them [15:41] not every language though :D [15:41] newbies can't approve stuff, review is mandatory [15:41] with that many Germans around? [15:41] review doesn't enforce review by someone who is qualified [15:42] german team is mostly doing gnome and foundations [15:42] * Mamarok ownders whywell, team review I mean of course [15:42] and some mr. everybody who do a bit of translation, which mostly doesn't get approved due to above reasons [15:42] well, team review I mean of course [15:43] * Mamarok still wonders how they could ignore the minimum 3 KDE folks who applied for UTC [15:43] hey guys [15:44] but with mr. bacon choosing why am I astonished in the first place... [15:45] Mamarok: utc? [15:47] ryanakca, you around? [15:47] Ubuntu Translation Coordinator... [15:48] which they took more than 6 months to search [15:48] The person that approves the translations in Rosetta is a Launchpad person not even connected to the distro. [15:49] ScottK: the imports, not the translations [15:49] the translations are approved by the associated team AFAIK [15:49] OK. [15:49] I thought it was all LP. [15:49] that would be quite weird indeed :) [15:49] apachelogger: difficult to read, I'll make more line breaks [15:49] Then if we get our own team to be the associated one, we can approve our own? [15:49] apachelogger: that's right. Teams are responsible for approving and reviewing translations [15:50] dpm: if ther actually *is* a team... [15:50] * Mamarok wonders how they don't break Gnome with that mess [15:50] Mamarok: of which specific language are you talking about? [15:53] Mamarok: Cause they communicate with them? [15:53] dpm: hm, just wondering ... what happens if the responsible team is inactive or too swamped to provide sensible quality and/or completeness? [15:56] the same as in upstream, if inactive, strings won't be translated [15:56] apachelogger: have you ever done translation work? [15:56] not in rosetta [15:56] which language have you translated? [15:56] german [15:57] dpm: if the files translation is too incomplete I certainly hope it will not be shipped? [15:59] dpm: I did use Rosetta some time ago (more than 2 years), but don't anymore, it's far too messy [15:59] * Mamarok loves pootle [16:00] oh, and while we are at it, since the time, why is there still no glossary? There are upstream... [16:01] apachelogger: did some small changes [16:02] I have to run now, sry [16:03] apachelogger: I think the first thing, if you want to contribute, would be to contact the Ubuntu German translators -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGermanTranslators/ They will tell you about their translation and review processes and you will be able to try rosetta for yourself [16:03] yeah, probably a good idea [16:04] their mailing list is quite active as well, and seems they are doing some good work translating and reviewing [16:07] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132910 [16:12] bbl, work calls [16:12] " It also does not have [16:12] any screen savers by default. [16:12] " [16:12] JontheEchidna: you should blog [16:13] "why screensavers destory our lovely planet" [16:17] lol [16:17] Earth day was earlier this week too... [16:44] someone is saying that kpackagekit can't install digikam but apt-get can [16:46] I think I've heard that before. [16:46] * ScottK has never actually used kpackagekit. [16:47] rgreening: Did you get a chance to retry your Atom install? [16:48] I tries to remove ligpod4-nogtk === k4v is now known as m4v === imbrando_ is now known as imbrandon === blizzzek is now known as blizzz === maco is now known as PeterGriffin === PeterGriffin is now known as maco [17:52] why doesnt kubuntu use Koffice? [17:52] jhgf: Because it's not particularly useful to a large fraction of our userbase. Just because something's KDE, it doesn't get a free ride. [17:53] OpenOffice still has more features than KOffice. The KOffice developers themselves say that KOffice isn't ready to be an OpenOffice replacement [17:53] ScottK: but OOo is Java and the JIT makes it take forever to start [17:55]