[00:01] <Daskreech> kb9vqf: Joys of being unofficial :)
[00:01] <kb9vqf> :)
[00:04] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes, nice one.
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I believe we usually notice Ubuntu changes *after* hell breaks loose
[00:25] <Riddell> _sime: seaLne knows where's good for akademy
[00:32] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you tried to highlight or were tired to? (small typo in your blog)
[00:32] <Mamarok> apachelogger++, liked that blog post :)
[01:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Excellent blog
[01:35] <neversfelde> is the official kubuntu 9.04 announcement available for translators?
[02:07] <claydoh> rgreening: ping
[02:11] <claydoh> apachelogger: yes, definitely a good blog post. very well said
[02:17] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: same for yours as well ;)
[02:23] <rgreening> claydoh: pong
[02:24] <claydoh> hi rgreening any links or useful info for the release notes regarding lpia?
[02:25] <rgreening> lpia install from alternate was flawless, with one small caveat. During install, dhcp failed to work, so no live update. However, all worked as expected after reboot.
[02:26] <rgreening> This was on my Acer One 110
[02:26] <ScottK> rgreening: dhcp bug should be fixed.
[02:26] <ScottK> That was in the last kernel upload.
[02:26] <rgreening> ScottK: cool.
[02:26] <ScottK> Just for you.
[02:26] <rgreening> ScottK: :)
[02:26] <rgreening> hahahaa
[02:26] <claydoh> are there any wiki pages or links? esp for downloads?
[02:26] <rgreening> I'll try it again tomorrow then
[02:27] <rgreening> claydoh: not that I am aware.
[02:27] <rgreening> claydoh: I just dl the img and used usb-creator to make the usb stick to install from
[02:27] <ScottK> There's probably UNR instructions on doing that that apply with our image.
[02:27] <rgreening> other than that, same as any other alt install for x86
[02:28] <rgreening> ya
[02:28] <ryanakca> Riddell: Anything to do for the website or will you take care of it?
[02:28] <rgreening> btw, the remix stuff was crap... in what I tried a few weeks back.
[02:29] <ScottK> ryanakca: Talk to NCommander about adding some powerpc stuff to the release announcement.
[02:29] <claydoh> will all the ports be available in the normal downloads, or do folks have to hunt for them?
[02:29] <ScottK> Ports aren't mirrored.
[02:29] <ScottK> I know that.
[02:29] <claydoh> I only see images in the ports area
[02:30] <ScottK> I think that's where they will be.
[02:30] <claydoh> so i can just oint to that then when its all live
[02:30] <claydoh> s/oint/point
[02:31] <neversfelde> claydoh: I'm writing a german release announcement, is the english one public?
[02:31] <Daskreech> sabdfl: ping. Re: Your blog I think that as before when some projects were eager for a time based release and some were wary The proper time for a long support period will depend from project to project. some will be doing crazy things in the early releases (Compiz comes to mind) while some will want the early releases to be stable as quickly as possible so they can break away from the old release (which they hate)
[02:31] <claydoh> neversfelde: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Final/Kubuntu
[02:31] <neversfelde> claydoh: thank you
[02:32] <Daskreech> sabdfl: The reason for making the big changes is probably a vital consideration
[02:32] <ryanakca> NCommander: Hi, I'm supposed to talk to you about adding some powerpc stuff to the release announcement?
[02:43] <Daskreech> Crap
[02:43] <Daskreech> I had said I'd do a human changelog didn't I ?
[02:52] <a|wen> apachelogger: well said!
[03:02] <socceroos> hey fellows, Just testing the 2009-04-20 RC release and I'm wondering why I can't move around my screens in the Display config. It allows me to rotate them, but not set them beside eachother. I can only duplicate.
[03:02] <socceroos> Graphics card is a Radeon Mobile x600
[03:04] <neversfelde> socceroos: you will get better support in #kubuntu
[03:05] <socceroos> ok, thanks neversfelde
[03:05] <vorian> yo
[03:21]  * JontheEchidna waves hi to vorian
[03:23]  * vorian waves hi back
[03:24]  * ScottK slaps an "apologist for management" sticker on JontheEchidna's forehead.
[03:31] <Daskreech> kb9vqf: ping
[03:31] <kb9vqf> Daskreech: pong
[03:31] <Daskreech> Can the KDE3 CDs be installed alongside KDE4 ?
[03:31] <kb9vqf> ?
[03:31] <Daskreech> or do they conflict on ~/$KDEHOME
[03:31] <Daskreech> where do they save config?
[03:31] <kb9vqf> You can install KDE4 and KDE3 side by side, no problem
[03:31] <kb9vqf> KDE3 is in ~/.kde3
[03:31] <Daskreech> it has a ~/.kde3 ?
[03:31] <kb9vqf> Ye
[03:31] <kb9vqf> Yes
[03:31] <Daskreech> cool
[03:32] <kb9vqf> I think the only conflict at all is in the default-settings packages
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> you know, for karmic konqueror should really use update-notifier-kde for notifying the user about flash
[03:40] <tsimpson> that wouldn't be too hard for konqueror, but if they use other browsers...
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> It already prompts/installs the package
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> it just doesn't do it through update-notifier-kde
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> also sites that do flash detection on their own such as youtube won't trigger the prompt
[03:44] <tsimpson> I mean, all it'd take is a dbus call from konqueror
[03:45] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[03:45] <JontheEchidna> firefox would be hard
[04:02] <Daskreech> karmic konqueror
[04:02] <Daskreech> I likes :)
[04:10] <NCommander> hey all
[04:10] <NCommander> ScottK, raphink poke?
[04:12] <ScottK> NCommander: I think you want ryanakca.
[04:12]  * NCommander is half-dead ATM
[04:12] <NCommander> actually, I'm on life support ;.;
[04:15] <ScottK> NCommander: Pastebin some text.
[04:16] <NCommander> ScottK, I'm having issues testing it, but sure, I'll cook something up
[06:26] <_sime> Riddell: thanks. I
[06:26] <_sime> Riddell: I'll ask him.
[06:41] <nixternal> whois kb9vqf
[06:41] <nixternal> err, that didn't work
[06:42] <Daskreech> :)
[06:42] <nixternal> kb9vqf: did you just start following me on twitter?
[06:42] <nixternal> some ham radio nut and linux buff is following me now, you were my first suspect :p
[06:42] <nixternal> nope, it isn't kb9vqf
[07:31] <kb9vqf> nixternal: Nope, that's not me :)
[07:32] <kb9vqf> nixternal: Actually, I've never used (or even seen) twitter in my life!
[07:32]  * kb9vqf feels old
[07:33]  * Daskreech hands kb9vqf his komplimentary walKer
[07:33]  * kb9vqf runs Daskreech over with it
[07:33] <kb9vqf> :)
[07:34] <Daskreech> Ow your leather sandals chafe
[08:12] <_Sime> seaLne: ping
[08:45] <raphink> NCommander: yes?
[09:08] <apachelogger> hm
[09:08] <apachelogger> do we have a party today?
[09:08] <jussi01> !party
[09:09]  * jussi01 waves to apachelogger
[09:09] <apachelogger> you know, I don't feel like joining a ubuntu channel :P
[09:11] <seaLne> _Sime: pong?
[09:11] <blizzz> Attention! Ambuscade! joining #kubuntu-release-party leads to the ubuntu one
[09:11] <apachelogger> like we wouldn't have expected that
[09:17] <sabdfl> happy release day everyone
[09:18] <apachelogger> happy release day sabdfl :)
[09:18] <sabdfl> feeling groovy!
[09:18] <jussi01> happy release day sabdfl!! :D
[09:18] <sabdfl> how do you guys feel about kubuntu 9.04?
[09:20] <jussi01> sabdfl: from my view itll have a similar rep to feisty - an excellent release.
[09:21] <_Sime> seaLne: Hi, I'm trying to get my accommodation for GCDS organised. Can you recommend a hotel and group? (sharing)
[09:27] <seaLne> _Sime: it really depends what price etc you are looking for, have you looked at the http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/hotels page? the sharing is just really up to you to find someone
[09:27] <davmor2> Congratulations Everybody and here's to the next release
[09:28] <_Sime> seaLne: I'm looking for cheap. But the problem the sharing. Is there are a kubuntu group?
[09:29] <seaLne> not that i'm aware of, i'm sharing an apartment with Riddell
[09:29] <blizzz> sabdfl: happy release day! Kubuntu 9.04 is a good release, it makes fun to work with esp. with KDEs possiblilites. Speaking for Germanspeaking Kubuntu Community it is a pity that translations are broken again .
[09:30] <_Sime> seaLne: ok, I guess that's full then.
[09:30] <seaLne> _Sime: yeah sorry
[09:30] <sabdfl> blizzz: do you know what the LP guys are doing about kde translations?
[09:32] <_Sime> seaLne: thanks for your help anyway. ;-)
[09:32] <blizzz> sabdfl: i'm afraid i have no deep knowledge in that issue. apachelogger has mor insight and blogged about it recently
[09:33] <seaLne> _Sime: sorry it wasn't much use, trying to manage the groups leads to an incredable amount of work unfortunatly
[09:34] <blizzz> http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2009/04/facts-about-rosetta-and-kubuntu-l10n.html
[09:37] <apachelogger> sabdfl: unkown
[09:38] <apachelogger> sabdfl: I will create a list of major issues and present it to the responsible people, there are problems on multiple levels really.
[09:38] <blizzz> i got to go to work, bye
[09:38] <apachelogger> blizzz: have fun :P
[09:39] <blizzz> apachelogger: ty, i will :þ
[09:43] <dpm> apachelogger: I have just joined the Community team as Ubuntu Translations Coordinator. I'm aware of the Kubuntu issues and I also read your blog post this morning. Please feel free to e-mail me with the list of issues and I'll be glad to help
[09:44] <dpm> apachelogger: david.planella <at> ubuntu.com
[09:44] <apachelogger> dpm: thanks, I'll do that :)
[09:50] <dpm> apachelogger: also please feel free to add any Kubuntu l10n related issues there -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu/JauntyTranslationIssues, which is a useful overview for translators and developers
[09:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^ please update that wiki page
[09:58] <Riddell> claydoh: announce ready to be copied?
[09:58] <milian> hi guys, there was this ppa for Qt 4.5 on kubuntu 8.10 right?
[09:59] <milian> could someone give me the required entry for my sources.list?
[09:59] <milian> I need it for development (and yeah, I could just update to 9.04 but I don't want to risk to break anything right now)
[09:59] <milian> and yeah I think just updating qt is less risky :)
[10:00] <Riddell> milian: actually I don't of one
[10:00] <milian> hm I'm most sure I once read about it but cant find it right now
[10:00] <milian> thats strange
[10:01] <apachelogger> experimental probably
[10:01] <apachelogger> but if it really ships Qt 4.5 you should reconsider using it
[10:01] <apachelogger> that is really experimental in 8.10 :P
[10:02] <tsimpson> nope, not in -experimental
[10:02] <apachelogger> then I don't recommend trying it at all :P
[10:03] <milian> apachelogger: I'd need it for development
[10:03] <apachelogger> update to 9.04
[10:03] <milian> so well, I should maybe just update then after all...
[10:03] <milian> let's hope it doesn't break to much
[10:03] <apachelogger> as long as the archive servers don't die
[10:03] <milian> though one thing: is the intel driver fixed now?
[10:03]  * tsimpson wonders if the Qt SDK for Linux would be better
[10:03] <apachelogger> or maybe you should use some unkown mirror
[10:04] <milian> I read about it not working on phoronix
[10:04] <milian> -not working +being awfully slow
[10:04] <apachelogger> never noticed any slowness
[10:04] <apachelogger> probably only affected certain chips
[10:04] <milian> hm so lets try
[10:04] <milian> how are you doing btw?
[10:07]  * apachelogger is tired because he studied rosetta half the night :P
[10:07]  * Riddell is groovy because it's release day!
[10:07]  * apachelogger is groovy because justice is making his speakers bounce
[10:08] <apachelogger> if I had  radio setup I would do a radio show right now
[10:08] <milian> I think I'll just checkout qtcopy and compile that for now
[10:41] <Riddell> NCommander: what should I say about powerpc and other ports?
[10:42] <Riddell> currently we have "Kubuntu 9.04 now supports the lpia architecture,  so you can now enjoy KDE on your Intel Atom based netbook."
[11:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm around for the next half hour or so, what can I do?
[11:44] <Riddell> ryanakca: read over node/78
[11:44] <Riddell> I'm still editing
[12:02] <davmor2> Sweet topic :D
[12:19] <apachelogger> someone with amd64 around?
[12:22] <Riddell> #ubuntu-release-party is a bit mad
[12:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: mibby
[12:22] <apachelogger> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/staging/ubuntu jaunty main
[12:22] <apachelogger> install kde-nightly
[12:33] <Riddell> how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release
[12:35] <tsimpson> looks good
[12:36] <apachelogger> +1
[12:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we support 8.04 to next LTS?
[12:37] <apachelogger> if not it probably should be mentioned that 8.04 to 9.04 is the only supported upgrade path
[12:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: not officially although I think we should make sure it works
[12:37] <seaLne> seems fin
[12:37] <seaLne> e
[12:37] <Riddell> I wonder if we should support 8.04 to 9.10 though
[12:37] <Riddell> infact I think we should
[12:38] <seaLne> yeah there will definitly be people waiting for a second 4 release before installing
[12:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: I would be worrid about the foundations in that scenario
[12:39] <apachelogger> so, IMHO 8.04 to next LTS should be the only other path
[12:39] <Riddell> that means people are running it unsupported
[12:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: kde-nightly installs
[12:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: does it also work?
[12:43] <apachelogger> there is a session option in kdm
[12:44] <Riddell> hmm, that would require me getting out of bed
[12:44] <apachelogger> lol
[12:44] <apachelogger> install nx
[12:45] <Riddell> ooh, xephyr over ssh -X works well
[12:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: looking great
[12:46] <apachelogger> yay
[12:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks a lot
[12:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: kdebase stack building ... now if only the buildds would not try to build everything on amd64...
[12:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, no window borders though
[12:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: screenshot please
[12:47] <apachelogger> might be broken KDE though ;-)
[12:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I just went through old kde-l10n discussions about rosetta ... carsten once came up with an idea that rosetta should fetch translations directly from KDE SVN
[12:49] <apachelogger> do you think that would make sense + is possible?
[12:49] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/snapshot1.png
[12:50]  * apachelogger thinks that this might be dangerous when a string has to be changed and translation and our pot files get out of sync
[12:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: fetching (and sending) directory from svn has been talked about since the start but I havn't seen it happen
[12:50] <apachelogger> I'll add it to the complaints
[12:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess it would make sense to use KDE's reviewboard thingy?
[12:51] <apachelogger> that way KDE l10n forms a seperate QA position
[12:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: starting kwin manually fixes my issue
[12:51] <Riddell> I've never looked reviewboard I admit
[12:51] <apachelogger> me never :D
[12:51] <apachelogger> but in theory it would make sense I assume
[12:52]  * apachelogger is wondering how fedora does it
[12:52] <apachelogger> that transifex thingy they are using looks actually quite awesome
[12:52] <apachelogger> and more mature
[12:53] <apachelogger> rdieter: how do you upstream translation changes to KDE? diff?
[12:56] <Riddell> ~twitter update nearly there!
[12:56] <Riddell> hmm, no bot?
[13:02] <Riddell> how do the cool kids twitter these days?
[13:02] <apachelogger> hm
[13:02] <apachelogger> you gotta ask ophra :P
[13:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: choqok
[13:03] <apachelogger> though, the cool kids use identi.ca nowadays
[13:03] <apachelogger> being open source and not having ophra as user... :P
[13:04] <Riddell> I really don't get why people care about the twitter source code above any other of the 99.99% of websites that don't have source code available
[13:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: because there is a sensible alternative (which IMHO actually is better in most areas)
[13:06] <Nightrose> yea - identi.ca is better - it being open source is a bonus imho
[13:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[13:09] <ScottK> Nightrose: Personally I don't consider licenses that place restrictions on my ability to modify code for my own use free (AGPL), so open source, yes, but not particularly free IMO.
[13:10] <Nightrose> hmm yea
[13:10] <Nightrose> more free than twitter in any case
[13:10] <ScottK> True, that.
[13:10] <ScottK> So I hear Qt 4.5.1 has been released.  Will it be included in Jaunty? </aol>
[13:11] <Riddell> ScottK: how does AGPL place restrictions on modifying code?
[13:12] <ScottK> Riddell: If I modify it and run it in a way that interacts with the outside world (to paraphrase), I have to distribute my changes.
[13:12] <ScottK> GPL traditionally only affect distribution.
[13:12] <apachelogger> ~version
[13:12] <kubotu> I'm a v. 0.9.15-git (master branch, revision beefd7f [gettext: support version 2]) [2 days, 15 hours, 43 minutes and 42 seconds ago] rubybot, (c) Tom Gilbert and the rbot development team - http://ruby-rbot.org
[13:12] <Riddell> ScottK: that's not a restriction on modifying (or using)
[13:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Sure it is, I can only modify it if I distribute it.  That's a restriction.
[13:14] <Riddell> it's a restriction to ensure continued freedom.  and it doesn't restrict modification
[13:14] <ScottK> That's one view.  I view it as a restriction on my freedom to modify code.
[13:15] <Riddell> secret BSD fan are we? :)
[13:15] <ScottK> There are things for which I am a fan of BSD.
[13:16] <ScottK> If I'm trying to spread a technology into both FOSS and proprietary systems, it's the only way to go.
[13:16] <ScottK> I don't, however, generally use it for my own work.
[13:16] <ScottK> Actually, I like MIT in that class of licenses better anyway.
[13:16] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[13:16] <Riddell> this choqok thing is showing me twitter replied I never knew I had
[13:17]  * JontheEchidna yawns
[13:17] <Riddell> people are actually using twitter to send me moderately important messages
[13:17] <apachelogger> :D
[13:17]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> whoa, bug 334657 has a patch
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> btw, how did firefox get an SRU before karmic was open for development?
[13:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: security doesn't need SRU
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> oh right, firefox point releases are security
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> but shouldn't it have gone in -security then?
[13:21] <apachelogger> is it not?
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> nope, -updates
[13:21] <apachelogger> kpk showed it as security updates here
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty-updates/main firefox-3.0 3.0.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 [887kB]
[13:22] <apachelogger> magic I guess
[13:24] <Quintasan> hi
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> so when does karmic open? I want to get this font corruption SRU'd as soon as possible
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> *font corruption fix
[13:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: karmic doesn't have anything to do with SRU
[13:33] <Riddell> usually takes a week or so for toolchain to get in and stuff to open
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: don't you have to push the fix into the latest development version before you can SRU?
[13:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: not if you can convince the SRU person it needs in more speedily
[13:37]  * Riddell rolls a drum
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> I'm preparing packages for upload to my PPA so that people can test it
[13:39]  * Riddell beats out a tune on the drum
[13:40]  * JontheEchidna remembers that qt4-x11 takes 30 mins to do a debuild -S
[13:48]  * Riddell holds breath while rolling drum
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu.org is already being hammered
[13:55] <apachelogger> Mamarok: ping
[13:56] <Riddell> ladies and gentlemen....
[13:56] <Riddell> I present to you
[13:56] <Riddell> the labour of your wonderful work for the last six months, Kubuntu 9.04!   http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release
[13:56] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:56]  * Quintasan starts claping his hands
[13:56] <apachelogger> ~order party
[13:56]  * kubotu gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti.
[13:56]  * kubotu turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball.
[13:56] <kubotu> apachelogger: wanna dance with me? :-)
[13:56]  * kubotu starts shaking her tight ass
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[13:57] <apachelogger> ~np
[13:57] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Beautiful" by Moby [Hotel, 2005]; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[13:57]  * Quintasan is listening to Morbicae I'ma Firin' Mah Lazor
[13:57]  * Riddell hugs apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Quintasan 
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> SHOOP DA WHOOOOOOOP
[13:58]  * Quintasan hugs everyone
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[13:58]  * apachelogger hugs the whole far too small channel and throws cookies
[13:58]  * Riddell snogs jefferai 
[13:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how do you feel about l10n?
[13:59]  * Quintasan greets jefferai with his lazor
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> a bit depressed, but cautiously optimistic about the future
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> I mean, it's not exactly horrible. But it still sorta sucks
[14:00] <mgraesslin> congratulations to everyone who worked on this release :-)
[14:00]  * Quintasan shakes his own hand
[14:01] <Riddell> kubotu is a her?
[14:01] <Quintasan> I just noticed I'm looking for bugs to fix @_@
[14:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: that depends on the point of few I suppose
[14:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: check inbox
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> kk
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Kubuntu_9_04_Out_in_the_Wild
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> digg it!
[14:03] <apachelogger> hm
[14:03] <apachelogger> digg is now completely useless in konqueror
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: your doc looketh good
[14:06] <apachelogger> still not complete though
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> probably need to mention that really old templates need to go when they are no longer being uploaded
[14:09] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:09] <apachelogger> I think that rosetta needs to get tighter binding with soyuz
[14:10] <apachelogger> it is more behaving like a general translation system rather than one which is currently mostly used for stuff that comes from packages and goes to packages
[14:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: feel free to add stuff
[14:10] <apachelogger> uh
[14:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you think it should be able to browse by type?
[14:11] <apachelogger> i.e. filter all desktop files
[14:11] <apachelogger> or documentation
[14:11] <apachelogger> ...
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> that would be neat
[14:12]  * apachelogger thinks there should be a general query composer
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> whoa, I just wrote "crush the cruft" without using K's :D
[14:13] <apachelogger> oh dear!
[14:16]  * JontheEchidna added a new paragraph
[14:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IMHO it should mail the uploader of $version where the template is not available anymore and ask whether to remove or remove later (which will trigger a mail once new devel cycle starts)
[14:20] <apachelogger> or of course an "I scrwed up" option ;-)
[14:21]  * Sput likes "You screwed up" options more
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> sounds sensible
[14:26] <vorian> Congrats Kubuntu Peeps!
[14:27] <vorian> Job Well Done :)
[14:29] <apachelogger> Sput: btw, I thik quassel should only fetch backlog for channels I joined
[14:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: updated
[14:37] <rdieter> apachelogger: (sorry for the belated reply wrt translations), but for kde/translations, we generally do everything upstream (either via submitting patches/diffs, or simply committing directly to kde svn)
[14:38] <Daskreech> Riddell: All things man made unless other wise specified are female
[14:39] <apachelogger> rdieter: you don't add strings via patches?
[14:40]  * apachelogger pulls Daskreech's nose
[14:41]  * Daskreech beeps
[14:43] <rdieter> apachelogger: ah, we try to avoid that (with rare exceptions)
[14:48] <apachelogger> rdieter: hehe, ok, thanks :)
[14:48] <apachelogger> jefferai: you need to fix your connection :P
[15:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and apachelogger: Stuff that's published in -security also gets copied to -upates since it's mirrored and -security isn't.
[15:02] <apachelogger> ah, sensible I guess
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> Estimated build start:  	in 15 minutes
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> ~meh
[15:12] <ScottK> Riddell: The Intel release note we have provides a lot less information than the one in the Ubuntu release notes.  I'd suggest we update our note with a copy/paste or link to that one.
[15:15] <apachelogger> hm
[15:15] <apachelogger> launchpad seems somewhat slow :P
[15:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: When is that not true?
[15:18] <apachelogger> I mean more than usually
[15:20] <ScottK> Canoncial data center is probably pretty hammered.
[15:30] <Mamarok> apachelogger: pong
[15:30] <apachelogger> Mamarok: you are into localization?
[15:31] <Mamarok> not lately, but yes
[15:32]  * Mamarok did some translations to French
[15:33] <apachelogger> Mamarok: wanna help with fixing the kubuntu l10n process?
[15:33] <Mamarok> if I can do so, yes
[15:34] <Mamarok> that mess needs all the hands it can get anyway
[15:34] <apachelogger> Mamarok: see inbox
[15:34] <apachelogger> jonny and moi are working on a paper explaining all the issues we have with the current stuff
[15:35]  * Mamarok reads
[15:37] <Mamarok> ouch, direct from Rosetta is a no go IMHO, that would break too much stuff
[15:37] <Mamarok> I think what should be done on Rosetta is also preventing mr Everybody to translate stuff
[15:38] <Mamarok> why would there be changes to go to upstream when everything is well done there? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
[15:39]  * Mamarok thinkgs what Rosetta needs is much more team control
[15:39] <Mamarok> -g
[15:39] <Mamarok> it seems to work for Gnome, why doesn't it for KDE?
[15:39] <dpm> apachelogger: please remember to send such document to the ubuntu-translators list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators, so that translators can join the discussion. It would be good to see more Kubuntu people there
[15:40] <apachelogger> Mamarok: there is not much of a team, german consits of one dood
[15:40] <apachelogger> *consists
[15:40] <apachelogger> dpm: aye aye
[15:41] <Mamarok> the French have a nice team on Rosetta, and nothing gets past them
[15:41] <apachelogger> not every language though :D
[15:41] <Mamarok> newbies can't approve stuff, review is mandatory
[15:41] <Mamarok> with that many Germans around?
[15:41] <apachelogger> review doesn't enforce review by someone who is qualified
[15:42] <apachelogger> german team is mostly doing gnome and foundations
[15:42]  * Mamarok ownders whywell, team review I mean of course
[15:42] <apachelogger> and some mr. everybody who do a bit of translation, which mostly doesn't get approved due to above reasons
[15:42] <Mamarok> well, team review I mean of course
[15:43]  * Mamarok still wonders how they could ignore the minimum 3 KDE folks who applied for UTC
[15:43] <NCommander> hey guys
[15:44] <Mamarok> but with mr. bacon choosing why am I astonished in the first place...
[15:45] <apachelogger> Mamarok: utc?
[15:47] <NCommander> ryanakca, you around?
[15:47] <Mamarok> Ubuntu Translation Coordinator...
[15:48] <Mamarok> which they took more than 6 months to search
[15:48] <ScottK> The person that approves the translations in Rosetta is a Launchpad person not even connected to the distro.
[15:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: the imports, not the translations
[15:49] <apachelogger> the translations are approved by the associated team AFAIK
[15:49] <ScottK> OK.
[15:49] <ScottK> I thought it was all LP.
[15:49] <apachelogger> that would be quite weird indeed :)
[15:49] <Mamarok> apachelogger: difficult to read, I'll make more line breaks
[15:49] <ScottK> Then if we get our own team to be the associated one, we can approve our own?
[15:49] <dpm> apachelogger: that's right. Teams are responsible for approving and reviewing translations
[15:50] <Mamarok> dpm: if ther actually *is* a team...
[15:50]  * Mamarok wonders how they don't break Gnome with that mess
[15:50] <dpm> Mamarok: of which specific language are you talking about?
[15:53] <Daskreech> Mamarok: Cause they communicate with them?
[15:53] <apachelogger> dpm: hm, just wondering ... what happens if the responsible team is inactive or too swamped to provide sensible quality and/or completeness?
[15:56] <dpm> the same as in upstream, if inactive, strings won't be translated
[15:56] <dpm> apachelogger: have you ever done translation work?
[15:56] <apachelogger> not in rosetta
[15:56] <dpm> which language have you translated?
[15:56] <apachelogger> german
[15:57] <apachelogger> dpm: if the files translation is too incomplete I certainly hope it will not be shipped?
[15:59] <Mamarok> dpm: I did use Rosetta some time ago (more than 2 years), but don't anymore, it's far too messy
[15:59]  * Mamarok loves pootle
[16:00] <Mamarok> oh, and while we are at it, since the time, why is there still no glossary? There are upstream...
[16:01] <Mamarok> apachelogger: did some small changes
[16:02] <Mamarok> I have to run now, sry
[16:03] <dpm> apachelogger: I think the first thing, if you want to contribute, would be to contact the Ubuntu German translators -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGermanTranslators/ They will tell you about their translation and review processes and you will be able to try rosetta for yourself
[16:03] <apachelogger> yeah, probably a good idea
[16:04] <dpm> their mailing list is quite active as well, and seems they are doing some good work translating and reviewing
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132910
[16:12] <Mamarok> bbl, work calls
[16:12] <apachelogger> " It also does not have
[16:12] <apachelogger>  any screen savers by default.
[16:12] <apachelogger> "
[16:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should blog
[16:13] <apachelogger> "why screensavers destory our lovely planet"
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> Earth day was earlier this week too...
[16:44] <Daskreech> someone is saying that kpackagekit can't install digikam but apt-get can
[16:46] <ScottK> I think I've heard that before.
[16:46]  * ScottK has never actually used kpackagekit.
[16:47] <ScottK> rgreening: Did you get a chance to retry your Atom install?
[16:48] <Daskreech> I tries to remove ligpod4-nogtk
[17:52] <jhgf> why doesnt kubuntu use Koffice?
[17:52] <ScottK> jhgf: Because it's not particularly useful to a large fraction of our userbase.  Just because something's KDE, it doesn't get a free ride.
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> OpenOffice still has more features than KOffice. The KOffice developers themselves say that KOffice isn't ready to be an OpenOffice replacement
[17:53] <jhgf> ScottK: but OOo is Java and the JIT makes it take forever to start
[17:55] <ScottK> I don't think OOo is ideal, but right now it's better.
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> I'd love it if we could switch too, but at the moment KOffice is a bit too young to be included by default
[17:55] <jhgf> how is the qt-version of firefox comming along btw?
[17:56] <ScottK> For my own use case, I email documents for $WORK around a lot and ALL the people I communicate with use MS Office.  Until KOffice matches OOo for MS Office import/export, I can't even consider it.
[17:58] <ScottK> jpds: Good news.  I went to check the Kubuntu shipit page to see if it got left behind again and it didn't.  So progress ....
[17:58] <ScottK> jpds: It does, however, still refer to downloading the Jaunty beta.  Does that need an RT?
[18:35] <milian> how can I get the palette of the default KDE color scheme?
[18:36] <milian> or any way to get a palette for a dark-text-on-white-background scheme
[18:36] <milian> no matter what the user has selected
[18:45] <ScottK> milian: You'll probably get better support in #kubuntu.
[18:45] <milian> whop, no in #kde-devel :D
[18:45] <milian> wrong channel, thanks ScottK
[18:46] <ScottK> That too.  No problem.
[19:01] <yao_ziyuan> i just read kubuntu 9.04's announcement. so it's using qtcurve 0.62.8 for gtk2 apps and oxygen for kde4 apps?
[19:02] <yao_ziyuan> although it's too late for 9.04,
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> yao_ziyuan: correct
[19:02] <yao_ziyuan> i don't think the blue Air wallpaper is the best suite for the grayscale Oxygen kde4 widget style.
[19:02] <yao_ziyuan> i think Plasmalicious is.
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: what do you think the best way to getting Qt 4.5.1 to jaunty would be?
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> SRU or backport?
[19:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: backport unless .1 only includes bufixes
[19:07] <apachelogger> *bug
[19:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'd suggest instead of updating we cherrypick any important patches for -updates.
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> .1 also has optimizations
[19:08] <ScottK> Are there a lot we're missing?
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> the changelog is somewhat huge
[19:08] <apachelogger> qt changelog is always huge
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> I suppose we should cherrypick the most important ones
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> I'm already preparing an SRU for the font brokenness
[19:08] <apachelogger> I'd upload to backports see if any of the bugs reported in lunchpad are fixed and cherrypick fixes for those
[19:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd rather not.  How about Kubuntu Experimental?
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> I was planning on kubuntu-experimental anyway, going to download the tarball now
[19:11] <apachelogger> well, there is not too much point into experimental from my POV
[19:11] <apachelogger> it's not really experimental :P
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> er, not experimental, my ppa
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> in the experimental/staging section of my ppa
[19:11] <apachelogger> why not kde4 ppa?
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> that could be an option too
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't we get rid of kubuntu-members-kde4 and go back to only using kubuntu-members?
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> we dropped -kde4 from everything else
[19:13] <yao_ziyuan> http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/129/s54.png
[19:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: good point
[19:13] <yao_ziyuan> see my desktop,
[19:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: mail list get discuss
[19:14]  * JontheEchidna will write up the email
[19:14] <yao_ziyuan> the black Plasmalicious wallpaper suits well with the grayscaled QtCurve (which largely copies Oxygen)
[19:14] <apachelogger> and it is extremely black
[19:14] <yao_ziyuan> and black is sexy
[19:15] <apachelogger> black is hard on the eyes, depressing and in general not recommendable
[19:15] <apachelogger> anyway, for karmic we wil use air plasma theme making the whole thing look much nice as a whole
[19:15] <neversfelde> we should enable weather wallpaper by default :)
[19:16]  * apachelogger pokes neversfelde
[19:16] <yao_ziyuan> air plasma theme?
[19:16] <yao_ziyuan> where is it?
[19:16] <apachelogger> there are people without intarwebs
[19:16] <yao_ziyuan> in kde 4.3?
[19:16] <apachelogger> and there are people with so horribly slow intarwebs, that they wouldn't want to have it suck up by weather
[19:16] <yao_ziyuan> where can i download kde 4.3?
[19:16] <apachelogger> yao_ziyuan: dood
[19:16] <apachelogger> #kde
[19:16] <apachelogger> or #kubuntu
[19:16] <apachelogger> just not here
[19:17] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[19:17] <neversfelde> anyway, weather for Nuremberg seems to be broken, it is always raining ;)
[19:18] <apachelogger> complain to the german government :P
[19:18] <neversfelde> rofl
[19:24] <yuriy> congratulations everyone on Jaunty!
[19:28]  * JontheEchidna hits send
[19:33] <ScottK> I'm loving lolcats in teh comics widget.
[19:36] <jjesse> wow didn't realize that lolcats was there
[19:38] <ScottK> In addition to finding them funny, as an added bonus my 15 year old daughter finds it horribly embarrassing that she likes something her Dad likes too.
[19:40] <jjesse> that's probablly the best part
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> I think we should use .tar.lzma for Qt
[19:55] <nixternal> how much more compression do you get?
[19:56] <nixternal> i typically prefer .bz2 as that has worked well for me...i tried lzma on a few of my packages and there was nothing really noticeable in size
[19:57] <Quintasan_out> its something worng with my connection or servers are hammered?
[19:57] <Quintasan_out> wrong*
[19:57] <nixternal> servers are hammered
[19:58] <Quintasan_out> :/
[19:58] <Daskreech> to paper thin copper
[19:58] <Quintasan_out> oh god, about 1000 files to download
[19:59] <ScottK> I did a test upgrad the day Hardy released and it took over 12 hours to finish.
[19:59] <N1EA> Hello I don't know if this is a bug or lack of a feature.  There does not seem to be a way to connect to a hidden wireless network in Kubuntu 9.04 or earlier.
[19:59] <N1EA> Any suggestions on where to go or what to do?
[20:00] <N1EA> The problem doesn't exist in Gnome (Ubuntu)
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> That's a known bug
[20:00] <Quintasan_out> N1EA: I think this is known problem with network manager
[20:01] <nixternal> N1EA: I connect just fine to hidden wireless networks...my main one here at home is hidden
[20:01] <nixternal> how is it a problem? it works for me
[20:01] <nixternal> meant to add a ;p to that one
[20:01] <N1EA> nixternal - ok then how do you do it?
[20:02] <nixternal> i just added the essid and the info for my network and it connected
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> N1EA: bug 330811
[20:02] <Daskreech> I'm really not sure why anyone upgrades or downloads the ISO on the day it comes out
[20:02] <N1EA> I tried that - but it just doesn't connect - I even enter the 10 hexadecimal code and nothing!
[20:03] <nixternal> "If I put the network visible, the widget connects automaticly as configured. It keeps working if I hide the network, but after that it doesn't connect if I have to reboot my laptop."
[20:03] <nixternal> oh, I bet you that is exactly why it is working for me
[20:03] <Daskreech> you never reboot
[20:03] <nixternal> I just recently set the one segment to hidden
[20:05] <N1EA> I have to logout and go to gnome to use the Internet.  It is like going out behind the barn to smoke when i was a teen ager!
[20:06] <Daskreech> N1EA: You could just use he gnome network manager
[20:06] <nixternal> why do people hide their essid anyways? it is easy to find using something like netstumbler anyways
[20:06] <N1EA> Netstumbler cannot find my network!
[20:06] <nixternal> why not?
[20:06] <N1EA> no identification is sent
[20:07] <N1EA> Hey Daskreech - that is a great idea - I never thought of that!!!  Genius!
[20:08] <nixternal> just because you shut broadcast off doesn't mean it can't be found...even the manufacturers know this and usually put in the manual that hiding isn't really secure
[20:08] <ScottK> If your AP is in use, then it's transmitting RF.  It's findable.
[20:08] <nixternal> right
[20:09] <N1EA> You can find it when it is transmitting r.f. but I have changed the firmware - you hear it but you don't know what it is.
[20:09] <nixternal> that is why I typically leave mine wide open...if you authenticate you get full bandwidth...if you don't auth you are given 5k
[20:11] <N1EA> I get full download speed on downloads equal to wired ethernet.
[20:11] <usr_> hi!
[20:18] <Daskreech> Is there a plasma goodness package ?
[20:18] <usr_> Has not anyone thought of the possibility of eliminate gdebi-kde to save space in the Kubuntu CD? I Think that is better a program that does it all, I see no need of gdebi-kde on Kubuntu now that we are with KPackageKit. What think the developers?
[20:19] <Riddell> usr_: it's only brought in because install-package uses some of its classes and it was too late to do the restructuring
[20:20] <ScottK> usr_: There are some functions in other packages (update-notifier, IIRC) that still need it.  Yes, we thought of it.
[20:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: qt 4.5.1 in backports and if it has important enough bug fixes we can look at getting it in updates
[20:23] <Daskreech> Should we have KDE goodness package ?
[20:23] <usr_> OK, thank you. until another time!
[20:29] <blizzz> if someone is bored, here is somethin to read ;) http://www.kubuntu-de.org/english/interview-with-kubuntu-developer-jonathan-thomas
[20:41] <ScottK> Nice.
[20:43] <nixternal> hahaha, just got kicked from the release party channel
[20:44] <blizzz> what did you do?
[20:45] <Daskreech> fart in the general direction
[20:47] <kb9vqf> Hmm...is there any way to get a build prioritized on the PPA system?:
[20:48] <kb9vqf> I'm deparately trying to get the KDE3 CDs out by tonight, but "Estimated build start: 04/25/2009
[20:48]  * kb9vqf is scared
[20:48] <kb9vqf> I hope that build start date is wrong...
[20:49] <nixternal> blizzz: I typed this -> Windows 7 CD Key : ABC123-DEF456-GHI789-JKL012-MNO345
[20:49] <nixternal> ;p
[20:50] <ScottK> kb9vqf: Talk sweet to NCommander.
[20:50] <Daskreech>  /boot nixternal
[20:50] <nixternal> messing with the people in the channel who needs to have an ego boost by stying opped the entire time
[20:50] <Daskreech> Umm
[20:50] <Daskreech> I mean
[20:50] <NCommander> kb9vqf, I can rescore in a PPA
[20:50] <blizzz> nixternal: so you turned to a windows troll? ;)
[20:50] <nixternal> i love trolling..it is so much fun
[20:51] <neversfelde> hehe
[20:51] <nixternal> and the best part about it, i have ops in that channel too
[20:51] <nixternal> muhahahaha
[20:51] <blizzz> lol
[20:51] <Daskreech> !vixternal
[20:51] <Daskreech> !visternal
[20:51] <Daskreech> :-)
[20:52] <nixternal> let the trolling begin
[20:53] <nixternal> 14:52:40 [ nixternal] i am running karmic now
[20:53] <nixternal> gahahaha
[20:53] <Daskreech> There are no trolls anymore
[20:53] <Daskreech> only Qties :)
[20:53] <ScottK> Daskreech: Those were Trolls, not trolls.
[20:54] <Daskreech> but the action isn't capitlized
[20:55] <kb9vqf> Ncommander: Well, it's the python-kde3-kde3 for Intrepid in my personal PPA...then I copy the binaries to the KDE3 maintainers PPA
[20:55] <NCommander> kb9vqf, link to PPA?
[20:56] <kb9vqf> Ncommander: https://launchpad.net/~kb9vqf/+archive
[20:56] <kb9vqf> Ncommander: I'm also probably going to have to rebuild kde-guidance-kde3, but let's see if the new python-kde3-kde3 does the trick or not
[20:59] <NCommander> kb9vqf, rescored to 5000, they'll be the next builds
[20:59] <NCommander> Damn, we're down a LOT of PPA builders
[20:59] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[21:00] <kb9vqf> Well, that explains it.  Also seems quite slow on the network end of thing
[21:00] <kb9vqf> s
[21:01] <kb9vqf> Thanks for the rescoring!
[21:02]  * Lure_ had double release today: kubuntu jaunty and my 3rd daughter
[21:03] <ScottK> Lure_: Congratulations.
[21:04] <Lure_> ScottK: thanks!
[21:05] <blizzz> congrats Lure_ :)
[21:06] <neversfelde> Lure_: : Congratulations
[21:10] <Daskreech> !kde3 | kb9vqf
[21:10] <Daskreech> liar
[21:10] <eagles0513875> haha
[21:10] <eagles0513875> i agree wiht the room topic
[21:10] <Daskreech> kb9vqf: Got it? :)
[21:12] <eagles0513875> Daskreech: somehow everyonce in a while konqueror locks up and crashes on me does it do the same thing for you
[21:12] <Daskreech> No but help is in #kubuntu
[21:13] <eagles0513875> Daskreech: wanna see if i can debug this on my own trying to find the konqueror debug package
[21:13] <Daskreech> kdebase-dbg
[21:13] <Daskreech> ils like 700 megs IIRC
[21:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Any objection to me adding more about ports to the release announcement?
[21:14] <eagles0513875> thing is im not using the default kubuntu i kinda have stripped it to kdebase package only
[21:17] <joshjtl_> hey folks, Im getting lockups, I dont know why
[21:17] <seaLne> kb9vqf: let me know a wget able location of them when they are ready if you want them mirrored again
[21:18] <sched> can some one help me regarding dolphin - file manager
[21:18] <sched> ??
[21:18] <sched> I need to work on that
[21:18] <ScottK> sched: #kubuntu for help.
[21:19] <sched> I am using the proxy network
[21:19] <sched> so i they are giving me the limited access to the network
[21:20] <sched> Is there special channel for the irc for dolphin?
[21:21] <eagles0513875> sched: #kubuntu is the new support channel for kubuntu
[21:24] <ScottK> It's not new.
[21:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: http://rdieter.livejournal.com/13559.html - careful on 4.5.
[21:24] <ScottK> .1
[21:33] <ryanakca> NCommander: am now
[21:34] <blizzz> ryanakca: we wonder if we can "steal" the download-page from kubuntu.org.  how is it implemented in drupal? is it possible to copy it more or less easily?
[21:34] <eagles0513875> anyone have any lockups with konqueror im working to try to get to the cause of it randomly crashing
[21:35] <joshjtl_> how do i find out what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel i have installed?
[21:35] <NCommander> ryanakca, I will have an edit for the website for you in a bit
[21:36] <ryanakca> blizzz: Steal for where? You'll have to talk no newz2000 (#ubuntu-website)... at the moment, it's an iframe pointing to a page under ubuntu.com since kubuntu.org isn't aloud to have PHP in its nodes
[21:36] <eagles0513875> apt-cache policy package name  joshjtl_
[21:36] <joshjtl_> thanks e-jat
[21:36] <joshjtl_> sorry
[21:36] <joshjtl_> meant thanks eagles0513875
[21:36] <eagles0513875> no problem joshjtl_
[21:37] <joshjtl_> eagles0513875: any idea where I might look for an unreleased updated version of this package?
[21:37] <eagles0513875> joshjtl_: im not sure to be honest maybe form xorg from svn
[21:37] <eagles0513875> joshjtl_: do you know a debug package of konqueror?
[21:38] <joshjtl_> i dont sorry
[21:39] <blizzz> ryanakce: for kubuntu-de.org
[21:39] <blizzz> ryanakca: so it won't be possible to translate it?
[21:41] <joshjtl_> does anyone know where i can look for an unreleased updated version of the package xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[21:42] <eagles0513875> joshjtl_: check out xorg website they probably have something in svn trunk
[21:42] <ryanakca> blizzz: try asking newz2000 ... he might be able to put up a translated version for you...
[21:42] <ScottK> joshjtl_: siretart is the guy that can hook you up.
[21:42] <joshjtl_> ScottK: ah... hmm not here though
[21:42] <ScottK> Try #ubuntu-motu.  If he's online, he'll be there.
[21:43]  * eagles0513875 wonders why konqueror doesnt like myspace website
[21:43] <ScottK> Because it's an evil mass of Flash and other poorly considered technologies and khtml isn't exactly the least buggy thing out there.
[21:44] <eagles0513875> ScottK: that seems to be the only site that it locks up on other sites are fine
[21:49] <blizzz> ryanakce: ok, thank you
[21:50] <eagles0513875> what do i need to get started bug fixing
[22:36] <NCommander> ryanakca, you around?
[22:42] <txwikinger> When is qt4.5.1 available in updates?
[22:45] <ScottK> Probably not at all.
[22:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna is putting it in a PPA to try it out.  That's the first step.
[22:48] <lex79> ScottK: which ppa?
[22:48] <ScottK> Not sure.  Either his or Kubuntu Experimental.
[22:48] <lex79> ok
[22:48] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead
[22:49] <Riddell> adding ports stuff to release announcement
[22:49] <Riddell> edit the intel stuff too if you had changes there
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> shit: Uploading qt4-x11_4.5.1.orig.tar.gz: 121595k/121596k
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> it's been like that for half an hour
[22:52] <ScottK> Adding
[23:03] <ryanakca> NCommander: Temporarily, I'm in the middle of cooking supper, feel like just /msg'ing me the changes?
[23:04] <NCommander> ryanakca, I just need you to add the ports annoucement, so http://paste.ubuntu.com/156794/
[23:09] <seele> hmm.. should we have a uds planning meeting soon? UDS is in a month
[23:11] <ScottK> ryanakca: I took care of it.
[23:12] <ScottK> Riddell: It should be there now, Please review.
[23:14] <Riddell> ScottK: now there's two ports sections
[23:14] <Riddell> ScottK: you should merge in or delete the lpia bit
[23:14] <ScottK> Will do.
[23:15] <Riddell> seele: yep
[23:16] <ScottK> Fixored.
[23:18] <Riddell> ScottK: you include URLs which should be links
[23:18] <nixternal> anyone else here building KDE trunk on top of Ubuntu Server at all?
[23:19] <ScottK> Right.  Remind me to smack NCommander for giving me wikimarkup that i had to hand edit into htm.
[23:19] <ghostcube> hmm succesfull updated to 9.04 :)
[23:19] <Riddell> add thoughts here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs
[23:19] <Riddell> seele, everyone ^^
[23:20] <ghostcube> hmm faster then 8.10 with nvidia
[23:20] <ghostcube> :)
[23:21] <lex79> ghostcube: hmmm :)
[23:21] <nixternal> Riddell: I am interested in the QA stuff for Karmic most definitely...what type of QA were you thinking? Automated QA?
[23:21] <nixternal> System Config Printer sounds fun as well
[23:21] <ghostcube> and the task icon garbage has gone
[23:21] <ghostcube> :D
[23:22] <nixternal> Why not add firefox to the list of browsers to review?
[23:22] <ghostcube> qt 4.5 at all looks smoother
[23:22] <ghostcube> but lm-sesnors still sux
[23:22] <ghostcube> :D
[23:22] <ghostcube> -s
[23:22] <nixternal> what's wrong with lm_sensors?
[23:22] <ghostcube> my chipset :|
[23:23] <nixternal> can KOffice open .doc files yet?
[23:23]  * nixternal thinks it can open .docx files though
[23:26] <Riddell> KWord has been able to open .doc file for the last 10 years
[23:26] <Riddell> nixternal: dunno but our testing currently is a bit limited to the installer and doesn't include stuff like l10n
[23:26] <txwikinger> Hehe.. that sounds longer than MS Word ;)
[23:27] <ScottK> Riddell: links fixed.
[23:27] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm off for the evening, so feel free to edit if you think it needs it or I'll fix it more later.
[23:28] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: IIRC one of the reasons for moving away from kubuntu-members ppa was so we didn't  have  to "broadcast" build-failures to all kubuntu members
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> if we only use it for copying over stuff from other PPAs that shouldn't be a problem
[23:30] <joshjtl> can I install kubuntu-restricted-extras minus flash ? so some how like apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras -flashpackage ?
[23:33] <nixternal> Riddell: about kword, that was my mistake, I switched around .doc and .docx....can it open .docx files yet
[23:36] <Riddell> nixternal: dear gods no, they have better things to do than work man years on formats which exist for no reason other than to pretend being open but not
[23:36] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: oh, right then ... just wanted to check that we we're aware of it
[23:36] <Riddell> joshjtl: it's a recommends, you can remove it afterwards, or just apt-get install all the recommends (also user questions in #kubuntu)
[23:38]  * JontheEchidna adds his thoughts to the wiki
[23:41] <nixternal> Riddell: I agree, however without its support, then I don't think koffice is ready for it just yet...OO.o at least allows people to work with that nasty format :)
[23:45] <Riddell> at some point someone has to stand up to MS, standards will never win if they can just create a new file format every year and we have to spend multiple years adding support
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> we could set it up so that if the user tries to open a .doc file, that it recommends to install OpenOffice just like it does with mp3/flash, etc
[23:50] <ryanakca> ScottK: thank
[23:52] <seele> nixternal: oo.o supports docx? since when?
[23:52] <seele> oh, youre still talking about .doc
[23:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: really, KWord opens .doc files