[00:07] <reisio> what's a Linux enthusiast got to do to install nVidia drivers on 9.04rc?
[00:09] <noren_> sudo apt-get install nvidia
[00:09] <noren_> !ati | reisio
[00:09] <reisio> noren_: doesn't cover 9.04rc
[00:10] <noren_> its the same process
[00:11] <reisio> you have to click 'activate' or something?
[00:11] <reisio> doesn't like, do anything :)
[00:13] <noren_> sudo apt-get install nvidia && nvidia
[00:13] <noren_> sudo apt-get install nvidia && nvidia-settings
[00:13] <reisio> mmmm, commands
[00:13] <reisio> thanks
[00:14] <reisio> E: Couldn't find package nvidia
[00:14] <reisio> should it be nvidia-glx-... something?
[00:15] <reisio> noren_: GUI finally clued in, thanks
[00:15] <reisio> 'you need to restart the computer' blah blah
[00:15] <reisio> not sure why we had to do it four times, but :p
[00:15] <noren_> just restart the X
[00:16] <noren_> ctrl alt bacspace
[00:16] <noren_> and then alt e
[00:17] <reisio> yup
[00:17] <reisio> alt e?
[00:17] <noren_> do rem to get the latest nvidia driver 180 something
[00:17] <reisio> rem?
[00:17] <noren_> remember
[00:18] <reisio> ah, right right
[00:18] <reisio> I think we already did that whilst banging our heads against desk
[00:19] <noren_> u can run the nvidia-setting to configure it then
[00:22] <eraserhead> hi, in kde4 how do i put alt+f1 to go to desktop1, alt+f2 to desktop2, and so on ?
[00:24] <Z_God> >eraserhead, those shortcuts are already in use
[00:24] <Z_God> you really want to change them?
[00:25] <eraserhead> Z_God: yes i do
[00:25] <Z_God> you should be able to do it all through the shortcut settings in the control centre
[00:26] <Z_God> I'd heavily prefer the default shortcuts myself though, because they are quite nice
[00:26] <eraserhead> i wasn't
[00:26] <Z_God> which ones couldn't you change?
[00:26] <eraserhead> Z_God: the ones we are talking about
[00:26] <Z_God> so you could remove them from the default functions?
[00:27] <eraserhead> what is the default to alternate between desktops?
[00:27] <eraserhead> no i couldn't
[00:27] <eraserhead> that's why i came here
[00:35] <Z_God> I mean
[00:35] <Z_God> what happens when you press alt+f2 right now?
[00:36] <reisio> what's the shortcut for a run dialog (alt+f2) in compiz?
[00:37] <kanonmat_> i use ctrl-f1 to ctrl-f4 to go to desktops and win-f1 to win-f4 to move focused window there
[00:54] <kanonmat_> i swapped esc and capslock and can't get the default keboard variant back
[00:54] <kanonmat_> setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout se -variant nodeadkeys
[00:54] <kanonmat_> doesn't work
[01:01] <reesefrancis> when exactly is 9.04 being released?
[01:02] <genii> reesefrancis:  Don't worry it will appear sometime before midnight of 23rd in Samoa
[01:05] <reisio> how exactly does one obtain kde-window-decorator?
[01:05] <Anyoseyo> dang
[01:05] <Anyoseyo> this is horrible
[01:05] <Anyoseyo> I was loading kubuntu onto a external hard drive and it crashed
[01:05] <Anyoseyo> now i can't access the external hard drive
[01:06] <Anyoseyo> it says it is an unkown device
[01:06] <reisio> Anyoseyo: reboot
[01:10] <Anyoseyo> reisio: i have done htat twice
[01:10] <reisio> and what reports 'unknown device'?
[01:10] <Anyoseyo> windows
[01:10] <Anyoseyo> device manager
[01:11] <PROject-Emerald> How do you mount a .iso to make a bootable disk? Like a Kubuntu disk
[01:11] <reisio> Anyoseyo: that's meaningless
[01:11] <reisio> Anyoseyo: Windows doesn't read Unixy FSes
[01:11] <Anyoseyo> reisio: i installed it alongside
[01:11] <reisio> Anyoseyo: doesn't matter, Windows does not come with support for any Unix FS
[01:11] <reisio> Anyoseyo: finish installing
[01:12] <Anyoseyo> reisio: sorry I"m new to this: so i owuld not be able to access any files on the drive?
[01:14] <reisio> Anyoseyo: not from Windows, not without special software
[01:14] <Anyoseyo> so the backup files i have on there would not be readable? =/
[01:14] <reisio> Anyoseyo: boot up your Linux install and finish installing
[01:14] <Anyoseyo> OK
[01:14] <reisio> Anyoseyo: they're readable, just not by _Windows_
[01:14] <Anyoseyo> kk thanks
[01:14] <Anyoseyo> i'll try :)
[01:14] <Anyoseyo> if it works/doesn't work i'll be back :P
[01:14] <fujimitsu> how do i kill a non-responsive app
[01:14] <reisio> fujimitsu: killall -9 name
[01:16] <kanonmat_> or use top, then k
[01:17] <reisio> or htop, and...
[01:17] <reisio> what is it, F7 or something
[01:17] <reisio> xkill if there's a window
[01:18] <fujimitsu> interesting. i dont see the app/process in there
[01:19] <fujimitsu> its an app running thru wine, halted. i dont even see wine in top either
[01:19] <PROject-Emerald> does Kubuntu come with flash + Java?
[01:20] <tsimpson> like in Ubuntu, it's not pre-installed
[01:20] <PROject-Emerald> Ah, ok.
[01:20] <Anyoseyo> reisio: it brought up grub
[01:21] <reisio> what brought up grub?
[01:21] <Anyoseyo> i booted to kubuntu
[01:21] <reisio> k
[01:21] <reisio> did you finish installing kubuntu or not?
[01:21] <fujimitsu> you need install flashplugin-nonfree manually via system>software manager , PROject-Emerald
[01:21] <Anyoseyo> it crashed during install
[01:21] <PROject-Emerald> Okay.
[01:21] <reisio> then you probably have to finish the installation, or restart it, etc.
[01:21] <Anyoseyo> any advice on how to do that?
[01:21] <reisio> well starting over is easy
[01:22] <reisio> just... start from the beginning
[01:22] <reisio> no idea how to resume an installation, someone else in the channel might know
[01:22] <reisio> usually that isn't easy, not with GUI installers
[01:22] <Anyoseyo> reisio: won't work it won't recognize the drive
[01:22] <reisio> might be simplest to just start from the beginning
[01:22] <reisio> Anyoseyo: what won't?
[01:22] <reisio> what make/model drive is it?
[01:22] <fujimitsu> also, in konqueror , you need specify the plugin manually as well
[01:23] <fujimitsu> after installation
[01:23] <Anyoseyo> reisio: buffalo hb50u2
[01:23] <Anyoseyo> i'm switching comps so i can reboot this one/mess around with it
[01:23] <PROject-Emerald> Will FFox work in Kubuntu?
[01:23] <tsimpson> yes
[01:23] <faileas> firefox?
[01:23] <faileas> sure
[01:23] <PROject-Emerald> yeah. do i still need to manually configure it?
[01:24] <reisio> Anyoseyo: the livecd installer doesn't recognize it?
[01:24] <PROject-Emerald> the plugins**
[01:24] <fujimitsu> not for ff
[01:24] <PROject-Emerald> Kk
[01:24] <reisio> Anyoseyo: just do whatever you were doing to install Kubuntu _again_, from the beginning
[01:24] <Anyoseyo> reisio: no it doesn't, it did first install but not now, i'm worried it hosed the drive
[01:24] <Anyoseyo> reisio: when i launch the software it only lets me instlal on c: which only has 3gb remaining
[01:24] <Dragnslcr> PROject-Emerald- plugins or extensions?
[01:24] <PROject-Emerald> plugins like flash+java
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> PROject-Emerald- you should be able to just install the packages from the repositories
[01:25] <reisio> Anyoseyo: I doubt it hosed the drive
[01:25] <faileas> PROject-Emerald: which plugins? Java and Flash autoconfigure for me
[01:25] <reisio> Anyoseyo: you want to install over the space you've already partially installed to
[01:26] <PROject-Emerald> j/w, because im burning Kubuntu as we speak
[01:26] <fujimitsu> maybe it got to write the partition before the crash .. so just overwrite that same partition
[01:27] <fujimitsu> if the problem is that the installation cant read the drive .. good luck
[01:27] <Anyoseyo> reisio: how should i do that if the program won't work and i can't see the drive on windows
[01:28] <Annnyoseyo> it's failing
[01:28] <reisio> Anyoseyo: like I said, Windows is not going to read the FS
[01:28] <reisio> Anyoseyo: you need to install Kubuntu again, from the beginning
[01:28] <fujimitsu> can you cycle the drive? turn it off and back on
[01:28] <reisio> boot to the install image
[01:29] <Annnyoseyo> kk
[01:29] <Annnyoseyo> so boot to tbe disk I made?
[01:29] <Annnyoseyo> I don't want to overwrite any data
[01:29] <fujimitsu> no. just to test the drive first.. then you can try that later
[01:29] <Annnyoseyo> kk
[01:30] <Annnyoseyo> i've already turned it on/off a few times
[01:30] <Annnyoseyo> i'll try once more
[01:30] <Annnyoseyo> thanks guys though
[01:30] <reisio> Annnyoseyo: what data is on there that you don't want to overwrite?
[01:31] <Annnyoseyo> backup stuff
[01:31] <Annnyoseyo> i'm running on a 30gb hd
[01:31] <Annnyoseyo> and there is 9gb of my father's stuff I can't get rid of because he is using some screwed up software for photo management
[01:31] <Annnyoseyo> and third times a charm >.>
[01:31] <Annnyoseyo> It worked
[01:31] <Annnyoseyo> i'll try to install again
[01:32] <Annnyoseyo> alhough reisio: CAN I not override it?
[01:32] <fujimitsu> put your backups on disk
[01:32] <Annnyoseyo> will it get rid of it upon install?
[01:32] <reisio> Annnyoseyo: just don't mess with any partitions except the ones you made for kubuntu
[01:32] <fujimitsu> as in, cd
[01:32] <Annnyoseyo> and I guess...
[01:32] <Annnyoseyo> on this computer I installed it alongside using unetbootin
[01:32] <Annnyoseyo> but it wouldn't boot with unetbootin :/
[01:33] <Annnyoseyo> so I said boot alongside with the disk
[01:33] <Annnyoseyo> what is the best way to put it on alongside without touching the existing setup fujimitsu reisio
[01:34] <reisio> Annnyoseyo: dude :p
[01:34] <reisio> Annnyoseyo: okay you need to know which partitions are which
[01:35] <fujimitsu> the way i back up stuff, i use a partition for backup only and then i also make cd backups of the same. am just paranoid
[01:35] <reisio> Annnyoseyo: boot up your livecd and don't run the installer, just run fdisk -l, and then figure out which are which
[01:35] <reisio> Annnyoseyo: when you figure out the ones you made for kubuntu, or the ones you don't care about, take note, and then when you reinstall kubuntu, let it delete those or use those, etc.
[01:37] <Annnyoseyo> I installed alongside: it doesn't look like it partitioned
[01:40] <Annnyoseyo> reisio: fujimitsu: I don't think it partitioned
[01:40] <Annnyoseyo> I selected install alongside windows
[01:41] <Annnyoseyo> :(
[01:43] <reisio> Annnyoseyo: if GRUB was installed it probably did
[01:43] <reisio> you don't have to guess, though
[01:43] <reisio> do what I said and you can _know_
[01:44] <fujimitsu> if only windows is booting up i guess Annnyoseyo might need to reinstall grub
[01:44] <Helixness> hi
[01:44] <fujimitsu> at this point am more confused than Annnyoseyo
[01:44] <Helixness> Anybody know what time jaunty will be out? :p (what timezone too)
[01:45] <Annnyoseyo> lol
[01:45] <Annnyoseyo> i'm gonna eat
[01:45] <Helixness> Question was probably asked a million times! anyone?
[01:45] <fujimitsu> !jaunty
[01:47] <Helixness> so it could be anytime during the day? sorry I just need to know so I can install it asap and get back to work asap :p
[01:49] <genii> Helixness: Go ask them in #ubuntu-release-party please
[01:50] <faileas> Helixness: you can install it now ;p
[01:51] <faileas> then run an update when its out
[01:52] <Helixness> I prefer to wait for the actual release, I don't like installing / updating to stable (i know weird)
[02:11] <oobe> does anyone know how i change the font size in kde4 they seem smaller
[02:19] <Annnyoseyo> almost time to start it fujimitsu
[02:19] <Annnyoseyo> and fujimitsu: any ideas on how to install: the drive is working now
[02:20] <lorecaster> i'm truing to find out information as to whether or not jaunty has 64-bit dual core support? i've got the AMD 4400+ 64-bit X2... and i'd like to really max performance.
[02:21] <JDShewey> So... I want to set up a dual head setup. I want KDE on one monitor, and a virtualbox VM on the other, but I want to use compiz and keep the ability to use the edge flip. I can't to stack the monitors, so I would like to have some sort of key combination to switch which monitor the mouse/keyboard is bound to. Is this possible?
[02:21] <fujimitsu> Annnyoseyo: i would just do it the regular way, with an install disk.
[02:24] <oobe> lorecaster, all ubuntu versions and most other distros have smp 64bit support
[02:25] <lorecaster> oobe, that much i understood, but it also features dual-core, yeah? i have not found anything to support an assumption like that, was hoping for real ifno
[02:25] <oobe> Linux box 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:25] <oobe> thats the kernel im running
[02:26] <oobe> smp means it supports dual core
[02:26] <lorecaster> oh!! mp means multi processor? coolies
[02:26] <oobe> linux has supported multi processing since before windows even knew it existed
[02:27] <lorecaster> LOL, awesome. :D thanks. i just burned the beta of 9.04 to a disk, so i'll flatten this machien and install 9.04... i messed this one up exploring :P thanks so much
[02:27] <oobe> a lot of old school servers used to used mobos with 2 processors etc.
[02:27] <oobe> windows could not use them
[02:27] <lorecaster> it feels wonderful to be part of an upper class :P
[02:27] <oobe> but people only install *nix based servers on them
[02:28] <lorecaster> again, my thanks to you for your help.
[02:28] <oobe> np
[02:28] <oobe> beta or rc
[02:28] <oobe> may aswell dload and reburn the rc save you updating after you install
[02:29] <oobe> unless you dont have a fast connection
[02:30] <Annnyoseyo> fujimitsu: so click install alongside windows?
[02:30] <fujimitsu> if by that you mean 'dual boot'  yes
[02:36] <Annnyoseyo> fujimitsu: what kind of speed do you get with kubuntu
[02:40] <fujimitsu> well.. the i386 version is kind of a let down for me on a 2.0 celeron with 1gig ram
[02:40] <fujimitsu> the 64bit and a dual core amd runs way smoother
[02:51] <Annnyoseyo> fujimitsu: I'm running it on a 2.7ghz celeron & 2gb ram
[02:51] <Annnyoseyo> i'll try installing soon :)
[02:52] <fujimitsu> then again it might just be the nvidia driver fault
[02:52] <Annnyoseyo> how do you install tarballs
[02:53] <echampi> hello
[02:53] <fujimitsu> !tarball
[02:53] <tsimpson> 1) unpack the tarball, 2) read the README file, 3) read the INSTALL file
[02:54] <tsimpson> if it doesn't have README or INSTALL, ask the person that made the tarball
[02:56] <dwidmann_> !compile | Annnyoseyo
[03:01] <reisio> Annnyoseyo: what makes you think you need to install a tarball
[03:05] <socceroos> hey fellows, Just testing the 2009-04-20 RC release and I'm wondering why I can't move around my screens in the Display config. It allows me to rotate them, but not set them beside eachother. I can only duplicate.
[03:05] <socceroos> I'm using a Radeon Mobile x600
[03:10] <brmassa> Guys, is there a way to convert a ReiserFS partition on ext3 or 4 easily?
[03:11] <jimmy51_home> hello, i was in here earlier looking for help with my scanner but had to take a break.  i have a hp scanjet 3970 and kubuntu 8.10.  i'm unable to get the scanner to work.  it shows up with "lsusb" but none of the scanning apps see it
[03:11] <jimmy51_home> what do i need to do to get scanning to work?
[03:13] <Riesh> brmassa: it are just two completlty different file systems .. you probably like to keep the files on the filesystem and then convert. As far as i know that is not possible
[03:13] <neversfelde> brmassa: not that I know, I think you have to format
[03:14] <brmassa> Riesh: and neversfelde: bad news so? hmmm ... thanks guys
[03:14] <neversfelde> jimmy51_home:  a hp scanner seems to be a good choice, you probably should read http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/309906-0-0-0-121.html
[03:15] <Riesh> i think you need to backup the files and then format with mkfs.ext3 or mkfs.ext4
[03:22] <cjae> anyone know of a way to send sms that is not web based?
[03:23] <neversfelde> cjae: connect to your mobile phone?
[03:24] <cjae> dont have one, to hard on stuff :-(
[03:24] <cjae> had three in 6 months, lost one smashed one and washed the other
[03:25] <neversfelde> cjae: kontact is able to use some sms provider
[03:25] <neversfelde> mom
[03:25] <neversfelde> btw. you re a mobile phone killer :)
[03:26]  * cjae just need to work on patience
[03:26] <Yud_Zroc> does jaunty use wubi'
[03:26] <tsimpson> wubi is just an installer, you could use it in Intrepid too
[03:27] <tsimpson> well, no in, but to install
[03:27] <neversfelde> cjae: something like that: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/smsjoker-script?content=31672. It is german, though there should be other scripts?
[03:29] <Yud_Zroc> so...can i install it inside windows like before?
[03:29] <tsimpson> yes
[03:29] <Yud_Zroc> ok u worded that a lil wierd
[03:29] <Yud_Zroc> but thankyou for clarifying
[03:29] <tsimpson> it's 03:29, I'm surprised I can still spell "yes"
[03:30] <Yud_Zroc> lmao
[03:30] <Yud_Zroc> well, no in, but to install
[03:30] <Yud_Zroc> i didnt understand that
[03:30] <Yud_Zroc> who would like to try to fully convert me
[03:42] <dedi> hallo.. ada yang bisa bantu saya?
[03:43] <faileas> hmm
[03:43] <faileas> !my
[03:43] <dedi> thanks
[03:43] <faileas> assuming its not in indonesian, the languages are similar
[03:44] <dedi> ok, there are anyone can help me to operated email account at kubuntu?
[03:49] <god__> does anyone know how i cant get 3d desktop to work for ubuntu 8.10?
[03:50] <god__> !3d desktop
[03:50] <tsimpson> for Ubuntu support join #ubuntu
[04:27] <comawhite> how can i install kubuntu but make it use my gentoo installed grub instead of it's own
[04:27] <comawhite> kubuntu's own grub
[04:30] <Riesh> comawhite: just deny grub to be installed at the end of the kubuntu installation process .... and edit your gentoo grub/menu.lst to load kubuntu if you want to boot that
[04:31] <tsimpson> comawhite: I think you can choose not to install grub with manual partitioning, or with the alternate cd
[04:31] <comawhite> okay thanks
[04:32] <Riesh> comawhite: indeed what tsimpson said. I also always use the alternate installation cd and choose manual partitioning ... then i get the question at the end if i would like to install grub too and where
[04:33] <comawhite> oh one more question. how can i get kde-live?
[04:33] <faileas> comawhite: download the desktop disk
[04:33] <comawhite> i have it installed on my crappy slow laptop :P
[04:33] <comawhite> but imma install it on my better computer
[04:34] <comawhite> err i mean kde-svn
[04:34] <Riesh> comawhite: ha, follow the instruction from kde techbase :-)
[04:35] <comawhite> okay thanks :)
[04:35] <Riesh> comawhite: hope you don't wantto do that on that crappy slow laptop :-)
[04:35] <comawhite> gotta disconnect net. don't have a router
[04:35] <comawhite> bbl
[04:47] <lorecaster> having some problems with a printer install... any familiar faces around?
[04:47] <Daskreech> !printer
[04:49] <lorecaster> i went to the brother website, and followed directions... with the dpkg commands... and installed the WRONG drivers, mfc 490 rather than 465... and now i can't install the right ones. this is a little too specific for those forums, as i've seen.
[04:49] <Reformer81> How do I install Amarok 2.1 (the newest beta)?  I can't find a working method with Google.
[04:49] <tsimpson> lorecaster: remove the package you installed
[04:50] <tsimpson> lorecaster: "sudo dpkg --remove <package name>" or "sudo apt-get remove <package name>
[04:50] <lorecaster> thanks.
[04:52] <tsimpson> Reformer81: there is 2.0.1.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1  in the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA for intrepid
[04:52]  * genii hands faileas a coffee
[04:52] <Reformer81> tsimpson: I added that repo, but I get errors about the key not being authenticated.
[04:53] <tsimpson> those are just warnings
[04:53] <tsimpson> you can read https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories to see how to fix that
[04:53] <Reformer81> But... I don't want 2.0.1... I want the 2.1 Beta 1 that was just released.
[04:54] <tsimpson> untill it's packaged the closest is 2:2.0.90mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1 from kubuntu-experimental
[04:54] <tsimpson> but that's only for jaunty
[04:54] <Reformer81> Then why would the amarok website say that 2.1 has been released?
[04:55] <Reformer81> Or is that if I build it from source?
[04:55] <tsimpson> if you build it from source, you can have 2.1
[04:55] <Reformer81> I though Amarok used to have a nightly build repo with a .DEB package made every night...
[04:55] <Daskreech> !neon
[04:56] <Reformer81> That's the one :P
[04:56] <tsimpson> neon is trunk
[04:56] <Reformer81> I have no clue what trunk means :-/
[04:56] <Daskreech> There are two neons
[04:56] <Daskreech> one for amarok and one for KDE trunk
[04:56] <tsimpson> Project Neon is the codename for an Amarok internal all mighty project, aiming to provide nightly binary packages of the most recent Amarok code base. It makes the current development easily available for everyone.
[04:56] <Daskreech> Reformer81: Do you want to know?
[04:57] <Reformer81> I always want to learn more...
[04:57] <tsimpson> it's the a snapshot of the current development version
[04:57] <Reformer81> ... but I also would really just like Amarok right now :P
[04:57] <Daskreech> Reformer81: Read the link that ubottu had
[04:57] <Guest61583> hey I've accidentally closed the KDE desktop GUI (or what ever its called), and I don't have the taskbar on the bottom anymore or anything else (widets), how do I start them up again?
[04:57] <Daskreech> Guest61583: Do you have a wallpaper?
[04:57] <Guest61583> no
[04:57] <Reformer81> ok... running Xchat at the moment so it's hard as hell to read anything... I'll find it lol
[04:57] <doleyb> Guest61583: does alt-f2 work?
[04:58] <Guest61583> yes
[04:58] <Daskreech> Guest6 does alt+f2 work? If so then type in plasma
[04:58] <Guest61583> thats how I was able to open the irc client
[04:58] <Guest61583> ok Great it works...thanks
[04:58] <Daskreech> Guest61583: how did you close it? It should auto restart if it crashed
[04:59] <Guest61583> I killed the process (mistakenly)
[04:59] <Reformer81> So... amarok-nightly should be the new beta?
[04:59] <Daskreech> Guest61583: ok that's fine
[04:59] <Guest61583> I had 100 programs running, and I wanted to to close all of them, and I guess I selected the plasma process as well
[04:59] <Daskreech> Reformer81: No It should be newer than the beta
[05:00] <Reformer81> Okay
[05:00] <Reformer81> Thanks, Daskreech
[05:00] <Daskreech> As the name suggests it's what happened up to last night. Want me to explain a trunk ?
[05:01] <Reformer81> Sure
[05:01]  * genii makes more coffee
[05:03] <Daskreech> Reformer81: Ok when lots of people are all making changes to a common area you need someway of controlling it
[05:03] <Daskreech> For code (or documents) there is a revision system
[05:03] <Daskreech> CVS, SVN GIt etc are common ones
[05:04] <Daskreech> Since each person can make a copy and make changes it may be hard to keep a track of whats current' In A CVS system it treats each major deviation as a branch
[05:05] <Daskreech> the mainline "branch" that is considered to be the one that everyone watches and is the one the project is based on is then called the trunk
[05:06] <Daskreech> Like a tree :) Trunk is the main thing that grows and if you need to reach out for something or make a noticeable departure then you have a branch
[05:06] <bebege> wassup ya'll.... I'm  trrying to install firefox using Konsole... when I   type su and it asks for password, I enter the password and it says Error.... what should I do?
[05:07] <Reformer81> So... what happens when two people are making changes the the same branch, but their changes aren't identical?  That's always confused me...
[05:07] <tsimpson> bebege: use sudo, "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[05:07] <tsimpson> or just use a package manager
[05:07] <Daskreech> Reformer81: Then you get revisions.
[05:07] <Daskreech> !svn
[05:09] <bebege> not gettinn' throught with that tsimpson
[05:10] <tsimpson> we use sudo, no su
[05:10] <tsimpson> !sudo
[05:39] <shock_day13> good morning everyone
[05:45] <nixz> hi
[05:45] <nixz> when's the next release?
[05:46] <Daskreech> nixz: In a few hours
[05:46] <nixz> oO
[05:46] <nixz> FOR REALZ???!!!
[05:46] <nixz> arrghh...  the waiting
[05:46] <_Brian__> for reals
[05:46] <shock_day13> yup nixz
[05:46] <Daskreech> nixz: 4REALLIREALZ!!
[05:46] <nixz> the countdown
[05:46] <_Brian__> #ubuntu-release-party
[05:47] <bebege> when I use"sudo apt-get install firefox", I get an error that Package firefox haaas no installation candidate...... what to do?
[05:48] <husayn> can someone give me a tutorial to upgrade from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.2.2
[05:48] <nixz> bebege: do this first sudo apt-cache search firefox
[05:48] <husayn> I am using Kubuntu Hardy Heron
[05:48] <Daskreech> bebege: sudo apt-get update first
[05:48] <husayn> I want to keep ...KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.2.2 both
[05:49] <husayn> I already am runing GNOME and KDE 3.5, but i want KDE 4.2.2 too
[05:49] <Daskreech> husayn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[05:49] <Daskreech> husayn: back up ~/.kde
[06:34] <ucenik01> hehe
[06:34] <ucenik01> how do u do
[06:34] <ucenik01> ?
[06:34] <Daskreech> indeed
[06:34] <ucenik01> :D
[06:37]  * genii sips
[06:54] <Nubuntu> I need some help installing flash 10 in terminal. I navigated into the installer file, but now i dont know how to actualy run the installer. Any suggestions
[06:55] <Daskreech> Nubuntu: Why do you need the one from the adobe website?
[06:55] <Nubuntu> Daskreech I dont really. I just want one that works
[06:56] <Daskreech> !flash  | Nubuntu
[06:57] <Guest4741> hey I'm trying to start dansguardian, but I get this error: "
[06:57] <Guest4741> " * Starting DansGuardian dansguardianError connecting to parent proxy
[06:57] <Guest4741> what does that mean?
[06:57] <PePsiCo> hi
[06:58] <Daskreech> It's looking for a server or a proxy I guess
[07:23] <pc__> hi
[07:24] <Daskreech> hi
[07:24] <pc__> wot time kubuntu 9.04 will be release?
[07:24] <Daskreech> nice
[07:24] <Daskreech> pc__: Everytime someone asks that it gets pushed back another second
[07:24] <pc__> :o
[07:25] <Daskreech> So sometime in the year 2043 now
[07:25] <faileas> lol
[07:26] <faileas> cripes, just get the RC and update ;p
[07:27] <Daskreech> You scared him
[07:27] <faileas> lol
[07:28] <fred__> !nvidia
[07:28] <faileas> Well, there is an entire channel for whining about why it isn't out yet ;p
[07:28] <genii> We are up to : <PartyBot1> wtv: Was scheduled for Apr, 26, 12:00 (Samoa time), but now that you've asked, it's been delayed by 1 hour
[07:28] <faileas> yup ;p
[07:32] <faileas> gawd, i absolutely love axel
[07:32]  * faileas is slurping down a live disk at 800 kbps ;p
[07:33] <Daskreech> Fat straw
[07:33] <faileas> naw
[07:33] <faileas> usually it dosen't go more than 100
[07:33] <faileas> i'm using axel with 10 concurrent connections ;p
[07:34] <Daskreech> lots of small straws
[07:35] <faileas> it sucks it down well enough :)
[08:30] <mynblues> guten morgen zusammen
[08:30] <Daskreech> !de
[08:30] <mynblues> hello  q all
[08:40] <varanus> hi all
[08:40] <twatbuntu> hi?
[08:41] <ActionParsnip> yo
[08:42] <twatbuntu> err ... this might be a dumb question and prolly asked too many times already
[08:42] <twatbuntu> but, eta on 9.04?
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> !isitout
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> twatbuntu: you may want to switch nick to something less offensive
[08:43] <twatbuntu> aight, awesomes
[08:44] <twatbuntu> right, right
[08:44] <kevin_> hi, i just installed kubuntu on a second machine and i was wondering if there was a good way to port over the packages i have installed on my old machine so i dont have to remember them all
[08:44] <nonoffensivenick> ah, better
[08:44] <tsimpson> !clone
[08:45] <tsimpson> kevin_: that is a way ^
[08:45] <kevin_> thank you both! what is this clone thing?
[08:46] <yaa_> Warning: Unable to create prefs directory '/home/user/.googleearth'. File exists. --??
[08:46] <kevin_> oh, nevermind
[08:46] <tsimpson> kevin_: ubottu is a bot that responds to triggers, !clone is a trigger for it to show that information
[08:46] <yaa_> what it could be
[08:46] <kevin_> yeah, just figured that out, thank you!
[08:48] <kdomn37> !automate
[09:08] <kdomn> !clone
[09:12] <kdomn> !cloning
[09:12] <kdomn> how do i make the bot tell me about cloning
[09:12] <kdomn> oh, wait there is no bot here is there, i ment to be in ubuntu
[09:14] <kdomn> !clone
[09:16] <kdomn> so i try that first line above and i get "Regex compilation error: Invalid preceding regular expression"
[09:17] <kdomn> what does that mean?
[09:20] <kdomn> can somebody help me clone my package list? please
[09:20] <mandingoceo> got a question
[09:20] <kdomn> yes, i type "aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' " but i get:
[09:20] <mandingoceo> i keep loosing my sound card under 810
[09:20] <MarkieMark1> !ni
[09:20] <kdomn> aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic'
[09:21] <kdomn> i dont know regular expressions
[09:21] <mandingoceo> my mobo is xfx geforce 8200 any help would be great
[09:21] <MarkieMark1> ubottu: learn ni as here's your shrubbery
[09:21] <kdomn> oops, i mean my error is Regex compilation error: Invalid preceding regular expression
[09:22] <SEO> any idea how to add new fonts on ubuntu ?
[09:24] <mandingoceo> any1 home
[09:24] <kdomn> i dont think they are
[09:24] <mandingoceo> can u help my ?
[09:24] <mandingoceo> me
[09:25] <kdomn> afrain not, im a complete noob
[09:25] <kdomn> just switched to kubuntu
[09:25] <mandingoceo> oh ok
[09:25] <kdomn> sorry
[09:25] <mandingoceo> np thanks anyhow
[09:25] <kdomn> do you know anything about adept?
[09:26] <kdomn> i mean aptitude
[09:26] <mandingoceo> not really
[09:28] <kdomn> ok thank you then
[09:30] <sara_> hello
[09:31] <sara_> im stuck in a hard place. i'm using Kubuntu with the newest kde but I hate the changes , after 7 years on linux I really dont like the setup , toolbar ,widgets etc...
[09:31] <sara_> is there anyway to run the normal menu and tool bar from KDE of old , ie: anything from before this year
[09:32] <sara_> i switched to gnome but i really dont like it nearly as much as good ole kde so i switched back
[09:32] <kdomn> they dont seem to be home right now
[09:37] <sponzor> when will 9.04 be out and why isnt arlady? :P
[09:42] <kdomn> so im very new, i type "sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:install$=’| awk ‘{print $1}’ > installedpackages" and then im just left with >   what is > in bash mean?
[09:43] <MarkieMark1> sends stdout to a named file
[09:44] <kdomn> where does this named file end up?
[09:46] <kdomn> oh, you ment that is what > does
[09:46] <kdomn> so it sends the output on this side > to this file?
[09:47] <kdomn> thats good as it is what i want but where is the location of that file?
[09:48] <kdomn> oh, found it, thank you for your help mark
[10:06] <rufong> hail to the room! hi ya'll
[10:12] <rubso> hi there, when Kubuntu 9.04 is coming out? thx.
[10:13] <tsimpson> !jaunty
[10:14] <rufong> oooooh, ty ubottu
[10:16] <devilsadvocate> ]''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''[[[;p
[10:19] <||arifaX> what is the easiest way to temporary replace current nmap with latest beta (4.85) that has conficker-detection-capability on my system?
[10:24] <bindaas> ||arifaX: that version is in repo?
[10:25] <||arifaX> bindaas: dunno so why I am asking I think 4.85 beta is only available at nmap.org but I asked since I want to just temporarely use it and not losing my package management for nmap later on
[10:25] <||arifaX> bindaas: I asked for the best practise doing this
[10:32] <bindaas> ||arifaX: i would have installed the betaofnmap.deb ,when reverting back to old version that is in repo, purge the beta first ,apt-get purge betaofnmap.deb and then synchronize with repo
[10:32] <bindaas> by apt-get install nmap
[10:33] <||arifaX> bindaas: so I will have to download it and package it myself. I thought that :(
[10:33] <anish> is the jaunty release gonna be whenever its done, or are they waiting for a particular time in a particular timezone ?
[10:34] <faileas> yes
[10:36] <tsimpson> anish: probably within a few hours, join #ubuntu-release-party to wait it out
[10:36] <anish> tsimpson: thanks
[10:37] <anish> :( no kubuntu-release-party
[10:38] <B3lpH3g0R> hello, please, how can we go to 9.04 ?
[10:38] <tsimpson> join #ubuntu-release-party to wait it out
[10:38] <tsimpson> anish: it's all released at the same time
[10:39] <cbord> ||arifaX: check out stow for temp apps, it's in the repo
[10:39] <anish> i know, its just a different DE, but i really don't like gnome !
[10:39] <rufong> !jaunty
[10:39] <B3lpH3g0R> when 9.04 will be realised, we be able to have it with adept ?
[10:41] <faileas> B3lpH3g0R: ou can choose to
[10:41] <B3lpH3g0R> i'm newbie with kubuntu, so i don't know how to make de migration
[10:42] <tsimpson> there will be instructions soon
[10:42] <B3lpH3g0R> ok thanks :)
[10:50] <Annaa> :))
[10:56] <anish> why the recursive links i wonder http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu-releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/releases/
[10:56] <tsimpson> anish: stop
[10:57] <Annaa> buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[10:57] <Annaa> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[10:57] <Annaa> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[10:57] <Annaa> cccccccccccccc
[10:57] <Annaa> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
[10:57] <Annaa> ddddddddddddddddd
[10:58] <tsimpson> Annaa: done?
[11:00] <rufong> that wuz funny
[11:01] <||arifaX> cbord: read about stow looks interesting  - thanks for that info
[11:02] <cbord> ||arifaX: you're welcome =)
[11:03] <cavaradossi> hello friends
[11:04] <matisse> hi
[11:05] <matisse> can I do a dist-upgrade without a upgrade before?
[11:05] <tsimpson> yes
[11:07] <matisse> but its better to do the normal upgrade before?
[11:07] <tsimpson> matisse: no
[11:08] <tsimpson> dist-upgrade does the same thing, except it will also add/remove any packages the updated packages now depend/conflict with
[11:08] <matisse> now I remember: apt-get update is important before dist-upgrade
[11:09] <tsimpson> update fetches the packages list, so yeah
[11:09] <aza> anyone familiar with cacti ?
[11:18] <x13luej1tsux> hello
[11:22] <davecmenta_> hla
[11:23] <aza> AHLA
[11:23] <davecmenta_> hla
[11:23] <davecmenta_> hola
[11:23] <davecmenta_> hi
[11:23] <aza> hi
[11:23] <davecmenta_> where are you from
[11:23] <aza> Lebanon
[11:24] <davecmenta_> nice to meet you
[11:24] <davecmenta_> im from mexico
[11:25] <James> HELLO
[11:25] <davecmenta_> some one knows a c++ compiler for kubuntu
[11:25] <davecmenta_> i need one
[11:26] <Marshal> hai
[11:26] <davecmenta_> hi
[11:27] <Marshal> i have some problems with my office PC on which kubuntu is installed
[11:27] <Marshal> can you please help me
[11:28] <davecmenta_> yes in fact it have many problems
[11:28] <Marshal> can you please help me
[11:28] <davecmenta_> what problem you have
[11:29] <Marshal> When I was working my task bar on bottom of desktop just disapperred
[11:30] <Marshal> when I went to check it
[11:30] <Marshal> don't know what i have changed
[11:30] <Marshal> all of a sudden the desktop was also missing
[11:31] <Marshal> there is only one button remaining
[11:31] <Marshal> which is usually found at the left bottom
[11:32] <davecmenta_> look many problems can be fixed from the konsole
[11:34] <contrast> !info g++ | davecmenta_
[11:35] <aza> g++ is nice compiler
[11:35] <davecmenta_> thanks
[11:35] <contrast> davecmenta_: np :)
[11:35] <anish> would it be dangerous to set a dist-upgrade cron job?
[11:36] <contrast> anish: depends... do you have any unofficial (non-default) repositories enabled? if not, i'd be surprised if doing so causes any issues.
[11:36]  * contrast hugs Synaptic
[11:36] <davecmenta_> and g++ can be found at what section
[11:37] <aza> dist-ugrade will this work correctly ?
[11:37] <sponzor> can somebody tell me where can i check the time when the 9.04 will came out?
[11:37] <davecmenta_> I mean it is  in the add remove
[11:37] <anish> no, i turned off the non-official. i want to go to sleep
[11:38] <davecmenta_> by the way, can any body of you , use youtube
[11:38] <contrast> davecmenta_: Add/Remove is mainly for graphical applications (re: non-command-line stuff). Synaptic is a great tool for browsing *all* available packages (sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends synaptic)
[11:39] <davecmenta_> nice thanks
[11:39] <contrast> youtube's working fine here
[11:40] <anish> @contrast i need an apt-get update before dist-upgrade right ?
[11:41] <contrast> davecmenta_: welx... and fyi, if you want to make synaptic look not hideous, sudo apt-get install gtk-chtheme; kdesudo gtk-chtheme
[11:41] <Mormant> hello guys, anyone knows why on linux i download with tops 2Mb/s and on win with 6Mb/s ? i have a Giga Lan integrated Network Adapter
[11:43] <Mormant> no one ever tripped on this bug?
[11:43] <sponzor> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/jaunty/
[11:43] <sponzor> it is out go get it :P
[11:43] <contrast> Mormant: wired?
[11:43] <Mormant> yea wired
[11:44] <contrast> Mormant: i've read of a few tweaks for speeding up the network connection speed in *buntu, never had a need for applying them though... have you already googled?
[11:45] <Mormant> contrast: oh yea, i googled alot nothing worked
[11:46] <Mormant> when i used kubuntu x64 it worked fine, but now i had to install kubuntu on 32 bit and since then i can't get over 2Mb  download
[11:46] <davecmenta_> thats the fact , i have to google a lot
[11:46] <contrast> Mormant: is windows 64 or 32?
[11:46] <davecmenta_> i have kubuntu it works fine with the connections
[11:46] <contrast> google is God
[11:47] <contrast> it's no coincidence that they both start with GO
[11:47] <Mormant> kubuntu on 64 worked fine download 6mb/s on 32 bit it stops at 2mb/s
[11:47] <contrast> Mormant: right... but is your windows install 32 or 64 bit?
[11:48] <Mormant> i don't have any windows installed
[11:48] <davecmenta_> I was making a web page , in geocities , but they say (yahoo) that later this year geocities will
[11:48] <davecmenta_> disssapear
[11:48] <davecmenta_> with all the sites of geocities
[11:48] <Mormant> i have kubuntu 8.10 32 bit, clean install
[11:48] <contrast> Mormant: why'd you have to go to 32bit?
[11:49] <antonio_> ciao
[11:49] <Mormant> i use this station for web development, and shockwave really coused alot of problems for me on 64 bit
[11:49] <antonio_> Someone is Italian here?
[11:50] <davecmenta_> Im mexican
[11:50] <antonio_> Ok
[11:50] <contrast> Mormant: flash seems to be working flawlessly on 64bit Jaunty, just FYI. sorry, but that's about all i can say with certainty in regards to your problem. :-\
[11:50] <davecmenta_> recently I donwload a movie from ares
[11:50] <davecmenta_> it was on italian
[11:50] <contrast> !it
[11:51] <termit> list
[11:51] <termit> list/
[11:51] <Mormant> contrast: so any ideas where else cand i ask for help with my problem
[11:51] <davecmenta_> I supposse you need to read some blogs
[11:52] <contrast> Mormant: what exactly have you already tried?
[11:53] <davecmenta_> and by the way, Linux red hat still exist?
[11:53] <Mormant> contrast: i removed avahi-daemon.. some ppl sayd that might be to couse of slow network, i tryed stwitching this off  sudo ethtool-K eth0 tso off
[11:53] <sponzor> will 9.04 kubuntu be on the dvd or yust the cd?
[11:53] <contrast> Mormant: have you made sure there's not a restricted driver available for your nic?
[11:54] <Mormant> contrast: how do i do that?
[11:54] <Trog> how come the site says release "canididate"?  is it not the final actual release? it is the 23rd today = )
[11:54] <Mormant> contrasat: brb
[11:55] <tsimpson> Trog: it's not out yet
[11:55] <contrast> Mormant: KMenu -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[11:55] <tsimpson> Trog: join to wait it out #ubuntu-release-party
[11:55] <davecmenta_> what version of the flash player use kubuntu
[11:55] <Trog> k thx
[11:55] <davecmenta_> some one can help me
[11:56] <contrast> davecmenta_: in jaunty, 10.0.22.87
[11:56] <JackWinter> anyone know what version of nfs is in kubuntu 8.04 nfs3 or nfs4 ?
[11:58] <davecmenta_> and can I, install the flash player direct from konsole?
[11:58] <davecmenta_> it wpuld be great
[11:59] <contrast> davecmenta_: you can install anything that's available from the repositories specified in /etc/apt/sources.list from the command line ;-)
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> davecmenta_: 32bit or 64bit?
[12:00] <contrast> davecmenta_: are you familiar with tab completion?
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> davecmenta_: i can whip you up a long command line if you wish
[12:01] <davecmenta_> no
[12:01] <contrast> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:01] <contrast> not that long ;)
[12:01] <davecmenta_> Im new on this
[12:02]  * ActionParsnip is confused now
[12:02] <davecmenta_> I install the kubuntu you know I downloaded burn the image files and install
[12:02] <contrast> davecmenta_: from konsole, type "sudo apt-get install flash" (no quotes) then hit tab twice - this will show you all the available packages you can install whose names begin with "flash"
[12:02] <davecmenta_> thanks a lot
[12:02] <contrast> davecmenta_: np
[12:03] <davecmenta_> THis system is very cool but , very different from windows systems
[12:03] <contrast> davecmenta_: indeed - that's what makes it so cool :-P
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> davecmenta_: well yeah, its linux
[12:05] <davecmenta_> I like specially the blender 3D but it runs slowly on my computer
[12:05] <contrast> davecmenta_: there are a lot of tutorials out there that will get you started with APT (the command line package management program that lets you install/remove/update any software on your system), as well as for BASH (the default command line shell you're using when you start up Konsole). just google around for "ubuntu apt guide" or "ubuntu bash guide" :)
[12:05] <davecmenta_> I suppose it is my processor
[12:06] <davecmenta_> and
[12:06] <contrast> it's funny how Windows is the only OS that completely strayed from the UNIX philosophy, and yet people view Linux/OSX/etc. as being "so different."
[12:06] <davecmenta_> ubuntu is the same or similar to kubuntu
[12:07] <contrast> davecmenta_: ubuntu and kubuntu use the same underlying components, but the user interface is quite different.
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> davecmenta_: ubuntu uses gnome and metacity by defualt, kubuntu uses kde and kwin by default
[12:07] <Vezir> <3 kde4
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> davecmenta_: then the apps may be mildly different, ubuntu uses gedit, kde uses kate
[12:07] <davecmenta_> oh
[12:07] <contrast> davecmenta_: specifically, Ubuntu uses the GNOME desktop environment and Kubuntu uses KDE. IMO, if you've only tried one desktop environment, you're not getting the most out of Linux.
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> davecmenta_: there is nothing stopping you installing gnome apps on a kde system but you will need to install a LOT of gtk libs to make them runable (synaptic will do this for you)
[12:08] <contrast> ActionParsnip: "mildly"? Dolphin PWNS Nautilus hands down. :)
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> <3 LXDE
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> contrast: pcman rocks them both
[12:08] <padi999> hey guys
[12:09] <padi999> how come, kile is not using the TEXINPUTS variable for finding cls and sty files I put in myself?
[12:09] <davecmenta_> and there is some program like the ARES for kubuntu
[12:09] <contrast> ActionParsnip: Actually, the core gtk libs are already installed in kubuntu, so as long as you pass the "--no-install-recommends" option to "sudo apt-get install <package-name>", a lot of gtk apps won't require that many libs.
[12:10] <contrast> davecmenta_: ares?
[12:10] <davecmenta_> yes it is a P2P
[12:10] <davecmenta_> for share files
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> contrast: then why is firefox a 100Mb install on a virgin Kubuntu?
[12:10] <contrast> davecmenta_: bittorrent is the only p2p protocol that matters anymore. :)
[12:10] <gabriel9> hi all
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !kazaa
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !gnutella
[12:11] <contrast> davecmenta_: hence KTorrent being installed by default.
[12:11] <davecmenta_> yes bittorrent
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !torrent
[12:11] <gabriel9> has nev version of Kubuntu come out?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> gabriel9: its out soon
[12:12] <gabriel9> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/9.04/?C=M;O=A
[12:12] <contrast> i thought the new version was available already if you're upgrading, just that the .iso won't be available for a few more days?
[12:12] <gabriel9> is this version on torrent final?
[12:13] <gabriel9> it's updated today
[12:13] <davecmenta_> I need to sleep, thanks a lot for all, see you all later
[12:13] <contrast> peace, dave. good luck with Linux :)
[12:16] <rubso> I found Kubuntu 9.04 torrent "last modified" today. is this the final version?
[12:16] <tsimpson> no
[12:16] <tsimpson> the announcement will be made in #ubuntu-release-party
[12:17] <rubso> man, this is not fair.
[12:18] <contrast> rubso: if you're that eager to get the latest and greatest, i've yet to encounter anything that would stop you from getting the release candidate (re: no show-stopper bugs on my 3 systems). :)
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> !isitout
[12:19] <matisse> is it possible to upgrade to jaunty with apt-get?
[12:19] <rubso> no, I want the official ver.
[12:19] <rubso> contrast: do you know anything about alternate-lpia disc?
[12:20] <contrast> rubso: nope, sorry
[12:20] <rubso> oh, ok.
[12:25] <nixz> nooo I am banned from release party channel!!!
[12:26] <nixz> :(
[12:27] <BluesKaj> !upgrade | matisse
[12:33] <hw__> Is there a panel applet to mount reovable devices?
[12:33] <hw__> removable
[12:33] <yaa_> hi everybody
[12:34] <yaa_> NEVER BE AS GLOOMY AS YOU ARE RIHGT NOW
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[12:40] <jonah_> hey guys, i want to install kubuntu for someone on a pc they've left with me, but when i give it back they may want to change the username or password. is there a way to install it so they can easily change this stuff without having to command line it and make a mess with permissions etc?
[12:41] <theatro> jonah_, phone him and ask him the username, the password can be easily changed after
[12:47] <p-f> On Windows, I get about 7 hours of battery life. On Kubuntu, about 2. What's up with that?
[12:54] <sponzor> can you run cisco vpn client on kubuntu?
[12:56] <Aranel> is 9.04 out?
[12:57] <tsimpson> Aranel: not yet
[12:58] <tsimpson> the announcement will be in #ubuntu-release-party
[12:58] <Aranel> thanks :)
[12:59] <benoit_> hello word
[13:00] <Guest29250> you speak frensh
[13:00] <tsimpson> !fr
[13:02] <codebaz> ubuntu and kubuntu realased ?
[13:06] <g_> Anyone here?
[13:06] <sponzor> no
[13:06] <sponzor> it should be sone
[13:06] <g_> is it ok to upgrade right now?
[13:08] <rmrfslash> "Nearly there!"
[13:12] <matisse> !jaunty
[13:21] <rmrfslash> Wow the release party channel is ridiculous any annoying
[13:21] <rmrfslash> *and
[13:21] <Guest29250> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[13:22] <rmrfslash> Jaunty! Jaunty! Jaunty!
[13:22] <rmrfslash> :)
[13:23] <Guest29250> jaunty est sorti http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[13:23] <rmrfslash> Linus Torvalds: "The only think I ever cared about was the Linux desktop."
[13:23] <tsimpson> Guest29250: stop posing links
[13:23] <tsimpson> it's NOT out
[13:23] <Guest29250> link is forbiden ???
[13:24] <rmrfslash> Guest29250: this is the kubuntu support channel
[13:24] <Guest29250> and ??
[13:24] <Nikola> You ask for support here
[13:24] <rmrfslash> Guest29250: Post all the links you want in the ubuntu-release-party channel or the kubuntu-offtopic channel
[13:24] <tsimpson> Guest29250: it's not released yet, those files are not final
[13:25] <Nikola> Not when it is a) released b) OMG I GOTS TORRENTZ and c) look at a) and b)
[13:33] <jka> anyone notice that though the download page says that you can download 9.04 cd ... it only says 8.10 or 8.04..
[13:33] <mkargar> kubuntu 9.04 released in mirror's?!!
[13:34] <tsimpson> not yet
[13:34] <tsimpson> soon though
[13:34] <jka> ...http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release   .. click on the download .. and it says .. 'Nearly there'  at the top.. :)
[13:34] <tsimpson> join #ubuntu-release-party to get the announcement
[13:35] <jka> ahhuh .. ok
[13:35] <peace> hi
[13:35] <mkargar> tsimpson:http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/dvd/    !
[13:35] <tsimpson> mkargar: do not post links
[13:35] <tsimpson> it's not out until it's announced
[13:35] <mkargar> tsimpson:hmm!why?
[13:36] <tsimpson> because it's not final until it's announced
[13:37] <p-f> why do we care about a new release anyways? Just update the packages in the one you already have...
[13:38] <Yud_Zroc> question....when installed through wubi is it supposed to run horribly slow
[13:38] <bazhang> yep
[13:38] <Yud_Zroc> ok so it isnt me
[13:38] <bazhang> Yud_Zroc, not so much
[13:38] <bazhang> yep was to p-f
[13:39] <Yud_Zroc> well the whole screen takes 1-2 seconds to refresh when something changes on streen (like this irc for instance everytime someone times it refreshes top to bottem)
[13:39] <bazhang> Yud_Zroc, is it noticeably slower than the livecd or somewhat the same
[13:40] <Yud_Zroc> very slow compaired to the live
[13:40] <Yud_Zroc> like 30% speedd
[13:40] <bazhang> wow that is odd
[13:40] <Yud_Zroc> then again it is installed inside vista
[13:40] <bazhang> never heard of wubi being that slow
[13:41] <Yud_Zroc> but i am happy that everything works out of box :)
[13:41] <bazhang> nice :)
[13:41] <Yud_Zroc> sound....wifi.....etc
[13:41] <bazhang> at some poiint you might consider dual booting Yud_Zroc
[13:41] <Yud_Zroc> havnt tried my mic or my web cam how do i figure out if they work
[13:41] <bazhang> err point
[13:42] <bazhang> !info cheese
[13:44] <Yud_Zroc> i allso have a 3 second delay on opening windows and closeing the live cd was almost instontanious
[13:44] <Yud_Zroc> would it being installed into vista have anything to do with it
[13:44] <producao> HI
[13:45] <KiRiLoS> How can i add/remove the apps that startup with a new session?Thanks
[13:46] <rmrfslash> Yud_Zroc: I just installed Skype and played around til everything worked. But I think cheese is a good way to go (for testing camera at least)
[13:46] <Yud_Zroc> what about testing my mic
[13:46] <almox> hi
[13:47] <bazhang> Yud_Zroc, I would doubt that vista had anything to do with it.
[13:47] <rmrfslash> Yud_Zroc: you can make a test call in skype and it'll play it back to you
[13:47] <mkargar> almox:hi0|o
[13:47] <jka> interesting what you say about skype.. I had it from an intrepid upgraded and kept getting port closed ..  on chat
[13:47] <elirips> Anyone knows if there is a channel for hplip? Or what the reason of an 'erorr 12' is?
[13:47] <Yud_Zroc> is an admin on to set this channel to confrence mode
[13:47] <sponzor> Nearly There! lol
[13:47] <sponzor> :)
[13:47] <noren_> !isitout
[13:47] <Yud_Zroc> im sick of seeing X person joined X person left
[13:48] <rmrfslash> Yud_Zroc: there's surely a better way though (this just happened to be fine for me)
[13:48] <Yud_Zroc> jaunty is runnning nice on my desktop
[13:49] <bazhang> Yud_Zroc, using konversation? or which irc client
[13:49] <jka> yep - have been running with it for a while..
[13:49] <Yud_Zroc> irc cliant
[13:49] <bazhang> Yud_Zroc, yep, which one
[13:49] <Yud_Zroc> Qyassek
[13:49] <bazhang> aha quassel
[13:49] <Yud_Zroc> Quassel
[13:49] <rmrfslash> Jaunty is pretty good..... I notices some glitches here and there (all filed as bugs of course). For example, my laptop-lid-close every once in a while doesn't trigger sleep and the network management plasmoid will crash my machine if I mess w/ it too much
[13:49] <jka> :)
[13:49] <bazhang> not sure how to turn off joins/parts there
[13:50]  * faileas went back to konversation, better the devil you know... ;p
[13:51] <peace> rmrfslash: have yoi an inte?
[13:51] <peace> intel?
[13:51] <jka> you think there's a problem with the acpi interface  that would cause that ?
[13:51] <jka> what laptop
[13:51] <rmrfslash> peace: y
[13:51] <peace> rmrfslash: which?
[13:51] <rmrfslash> Dell Studio XPS 16
[13:51] <peace> intel 945gm?
[13:51] <Yud_Zroc> my laptop is a HP G60 from wallmart almost everything works lol
[13:51] <peace> or something like that?
[13:52] <rmrfslash> peace: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q9550  @ 2.83GHz
[13:52] <peace> rmrfslash: graphic card?
[13:52] <jka> ah
[13:52] <rmrfslash> oh shoot... sorry
[13:53] <rmrfslash> im ssh'd into another machin in that shell :D
[13:53] <rmrfslash> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8600  @ 2.40GHz
[13:53] <rmrfslash> That's more like it
[13:53] <jka> :)
[13:53] <rmrfslash> graphics card is ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3670 (w/ radeonhd 1.2.5)
[13:55] <rmrfslash> (radeon 1.2.4 won't resume from suspend reliably and that's the one kubuntu chose to use for jaunty :-/)
[13:55] <clau30> any keboard layout ninja here? I have som problems with the layout (still intrepid..)
[13:57] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu 9.04 has been released http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release
[13:58] <clau30> yaay
[13:58]  * clau30 wants 9.04 chocolate :)
[13:58] <sponzor> yaaay:)))
[13:58] <rmrfslash> Hrm... I have no apt-get updates.... maybe I'm simply up-to-date?
[13:58] <Unksi> :)))
[13:59] <Riddell> upgrade instructions at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu and http://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[13:59] <rmrfslash> I'm on jaunty already
[13:59] <rmrfslash> been applying updates every day
[13:59] <p-f> what's the difference?
[14:00] <Unksi> rmrfslash: then you have the final
[14:00] <PSiL0> Update here, but I think I'm going to hold off.. I don't feeling like removing amarok 2 and recompiling 1.4..
[14:00] <eagles0513875> hey Riddell :) wanna commend ya on the amazingness of jaunty :)
[14:01] <rmrfslash> Unksi: guess so.... got my last update last night for firefox
[14:02] <canen> anyone been having issues with desktop effects and ati cards?
[14:02] <canen> issues such as X crashing randomly
[14:02] <rmrfslash> canen: you using open source drivers?
[14:02] <canen> yes
[14:03] <canen> have to, card not supported by fglrx
[14:03] <rmrfslash> canen: I assume then you're using XRender
[14:03] <canen> no
[14:03] <canen> i am not actually using the effects now but i was using opengl and the time
[14:03] <rmrfslash> canen: maybe OpenGL just isn't working for my card (r6xx)
[14:03] <canen> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)]
[14:03] <rmrfslash> :(
[14:04] <canen> that's my card info
[14:04] <canen> i can live without the effects but it would be nice to know why it happens
[14:04] <minibn> ubuntu est sorti
[14:04] <rmrfslash> canen: Maybe someone else can help, I have a r6xx card and I *just* got 2D acceleration
[14:04] <canen> anyway, congrats on the release
[14:06] <rmrfslash> canen: So I am now up to 1995 or so
[14:06] <canen> 1995 what?
[14:06] <rmrfslash> canen: 2D acceleration was cutting edge back in like 1991-1995
[14:06] <Riesh> are there also somewhere CD install images?
[14:07] <canen> rmrfslash: oh ok
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> Digg it! http://digg.com/linux_unix/Kubuntu_9_04_Out_in_the_Wild
[14:07] <Riddell> Riesh: 9.04 CD images are available from the download page
[14:07] <Riesh> OK OK ... thanks
[14:07] <BluesKaj> so I guess this becomes the Jaunty chat channel now :)
[14:07] <canen> and XAA here gives some weird issues
[14:08] <noaXess> wow...
[14:08] <canen> maginified and corrupt windows
[14:08] <rmrfslash> canen: u can try exa
[14:08] <noaXess> a lot of traffic on kubuntu.org ;)
[14:08] <rmrfslash> canen: which is actually newer
[14:08] <canen> rmrfslash: that's what i use but the release note recommend trying XAA for ati cards
[14:09] <rmrfslash> canen: so exa worked?
[14:09] <canen> yeah
[14:09] <rmrfslash> canen: that's what I'd be usin then
[14:09] <canen> my xorg.conf is usually very minimal
[14:11] <rmrfslash> canen: xorg.conf is a mess, and whatever is parsing it is an even bigger mess (no typo or error handling or fallback to defaults support.. the whole thing should be moved to xml)
[14:11] <canen> xml? really?
[14:11] <rmrfslash> canen: make it easier to parse
[14:11] <canen> XML is great for programs but hell to edit  manually
[14:11] <canen> like policykit, etc
[14:12] <rmrfslash> canen: we should discuss this in #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:12] <canen> yeah
[14:12] <emikaadeo> is Qt 4.5.1 gonna be in Jaunty Updates?
[14:14] <dwidmann> emikaadeo: maybe, but I kind of doubt it
[14:15] <emikaadeo> new Qt bugfix was released today
[14:19] <rubso> omg i'm downloading kubuntu atm O_O
[14:22] <Dragnslcr> Man, I love BitTorrent
[14:22] <Dragnslcr> The AMD64 ISO is coming down at over 1 Mbps
[14:29] <|dthacker|> If ktorrent is showing uploads, that means my firewall is configured properly and people and get bits from me, right?
[14:30] <Dragnslcr> |dthacker|- if there's something in the Up Speed column, I would assume so, yeah
[14:31] <|dthacker|> excellent!  Sharing is good!
[14:32] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[14:32] <Dragnslcr> After 10 minutes, my share ratio on the i386 CD is already almost 1
[14:34] <robinp> |dthacker|: nah, your client can seek upload peers
[14:35] <|dthacker|> I'm only at 0.12.   Need to tune that
[14:35] <robinp> |dthacker|: peers just can't initiate a connection to you
[14:37] <Riesh> wow ... bittorrent download with 387.5 KB /s ... very nice
[14:41] <SandGorgon> anybody have link to kubuntu 9.04 desktop torrent ?
[14:42] <bazhang> !torrents
[14:42] <Daskreech> :-)
[14:42] <bazhang> whoops
[14:42] <Daskreech> torrents.ubuntu.com
[14:43] <SandGorgon> i see the DVD of kubuntu .. but not the CD ISO...
[14:44] <Daskreech> wait torrent.ubuntu.com
[14:46] <Dragnslcr> Really? I can't find the DVD anywhere
[14:47] <tsimpson> Dragnslcr: the http download will be on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[14:47] <tsimpson> but that'll be über slow
[14:47] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I did see that, but it didn't look like the final image
[14:47] <Dragnslcr> And there's the slow part
[14:47] <tsimpson> it should be now
[14:48] <Dragnslcr> It's a couple days old
[14:49] <tsimpson> use the torrent if you can
[14:49] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I know, but I can't find the torrent file on any of the mirrors
[14:50] <Dragnslcr> That's why I wonder if the DVD is ready yet
[14:50] <Daskreech> Dragnslcr: cdimages.ubuntu.com has the DVD Torrent.ubuntu.com has it as well
[14:50] <Dragnslcr> Ah, there we go
[14:50] <Dragnslcr> Thanks
[14:52] <Dragnslcr> Heh, Status: Stalled
[14:58] <SandGorgon> Desktop CD - http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/jaunty/desktop/kubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[14:58] <SandGorgon> Desktop DVD - http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/dvd/kubuntu-9.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[15:11] <pvandewyngaerde> thx for the release !
[15:12] <WistfulGeek> yep! The servers are overloaded :> I managed to download 9.04 in the first minute at 2 MB/s
[15:13] <pvandewyngaerde> WistfulGeek, i download from a working ftp site nearby , and start sharing it with bittorrent
[15:14] <Guest4676> what speak french
[15:14] <faileas> !fr
[15:14] <victim> when is 9.10 released?
[15:14] <faileas> :)
[15:14] <faileas> its out
[15:14] <WistfulGeek> October 2009 maybe
[15:15] <victim> thanks
[15:15] <faileas> oh wait
[15:15]  * faileas had a brainfart
[15:15] <faileas> victim: ubuntu always releases april and october
[15:15] <peace> 9.04 is out
[15:15] <peace> 9.10 = october
[15:15] <devilsadvocate> the upgrade-manager needs a "ok, i'm sorry i tired on day0, i'll try again later" button
[15:16] <dwidmann> Any sort of pause button would do nicely, really.
[15:17] <Dragnslcr> That's why I did my upgrade last weekend
[15:17] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[15:17] <dwidmann> It should be relatively manageable though, if you use the more obscure mirrors
[15:17] <antoranz> when I try tio add the network manager applet (or widget or whatever) to the desktop or tray, plasma crashes
[15:18] <devilsadvocate> dwidmann: cant change it now :(\
[15:18]  * genii sips
[15:18] <antoranz> do I have to try with a trick? Do i report this bug?
[15:18] <dwidmann> antoranz: first see if the bug report already exists, if it doesn't (or you couldn't find it) report the bug.
[15:19] <dwidmann> Actually, duplicate bugs isn't as bad as its made out to be either ... the number of duplicates a bug gets is a relative measure of how many people it affects
[15:19] <antoranz> the network manager package I have to use is knetworkmanager, right?
[15:20] <dwidmann> !info knetworkmanager jaunty
[15:20] <antoranz> but this package has basicly nothing
[15:21] <tsimpson> antoranz: it should depend on network-manager-kde, which is the "real" package
[15:22] <antoranz> I see
[15:22] <nixzs> hi anybanybody got a server kbuntu amd64 torrent link? Kubuntu site keeps giving me 8.04
[15:23] <tsimpson> nixzs: there is no Kubuntu server
[15:23] <tsimpson> there is Kubuntu Desktop and Kubuntu Alternate
[15:24] <nixzs> ok Desktop then
[15:24] <nixzs> amd64 version
[15:24] <tsimpson> nixzs: ok, what site are you looking at?
[15:25] <nixzs> I dont' know if anybody noticed it but kubuntu site only has torrents links for 8.04
[15:25] <nixzs> this one ------> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
[15:26] <SandGorgon> nixzs, Desktop CD - http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/jaunty/desktop/kubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[15:26] <Dragnslcr> nixzs- http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.04/
[15:26] <nixzs> SandGorgon: is that the amd64?
[15:26] <tsimpson> that's ubuntu.com we have no control over that
[15:27] <tsimpson> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.04/ has amd64 and i386
[15:27] <SandGorgon> nixzs,  http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/jaunty/desktop/kubuntu-9.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[15:28] <nixzs> Dragnslcr: ok thanks that link helped
[15:28] <nixzs> SandGorgon: got it now :)
[15:28] <Hystoriker> hi all. can anybody tell me, wheter the final release can connect via wpa to a wlan router? chipset is the intel 3945. it was not working on the release candidate last week
[15:29] <dwidmann> Hystoriker: if it didn't work then, I really doubt it.
[15:29] <nixzs> so what's wrong with kubuntu site?
[15:29] <SandGorgon> Hystoriker: i had the 3945 on my Dell and I always used to connect to my router using wired connection, fire up hardware drivers and voila
[15:30] <Hystoriker> SandGorgon: what do u mean with "fire up hardware drivers"? sorry for being a little slow....
[15:31] <tsimpson> nixzs: you posed ubuntu.com, not kubuntu.org
[15:31] <tsimpson> nixzs: so blame ubuntu.com
[15:31] <SandGorgon> Hystoriker: System->Administration->"Hardware Drivers" . if connected to the internet, the config tool checks the repositories for any additional drivers (like nvidia, wireless, etc)
[15:32] <tsimpson> SandGorgon: that's in gnome
[15:32] <tsimpson> KMenu -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[15:33] <Hystoriker> tsimpson: thanx, i will try to do that
[15:33] <lori> To upgrade from 9.04 beta to final do i just run update?
[15:33] <tsimpson> !upgrade
[15:34] <lori> doesnt answer my question
[15:34] <lori> been there
[15:34] <Pici> lori: yes
[15:34] <Pici> !final
[15:34] <lori> thank you pici.
[15:36] <sephirothx96> Russia!! anybody from russia help me!!!
[15:36] <noren> hi all
[15:36] <noren> !ru
[15:36] <sephirothx96> i have problem with Adept Manager
[15:36] <noren> what  is the prob sephirothx96
[15:37] <genii> sephirothx96: The servers are under heavy load right now and are often timing out
[15:37] <sephirothx96> )) i leave for russian channel
[15:37] <sephirothx96> thanks
[15:40] <djdarkman> hello, does someone know when will jaunty KDE3 remix arrive?
[15:41] <mogul218> !final
[15:42] <bigjocker> !kde3
[15:44] <antoranz> exit
[15:44] <antoranz> nevermind
[15:44] <antoranz> :-)
[15:46] <Dragnslcr> Anybody been running 64-bit lately? Still a few missing packages (Flash comes to mind first)?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> djdarkman: it might be a few days late
[15:48] <canen> after an update this morning kmail is behaving crazy.
[15:49] <canen> really slow
[15:49] <canen> andbody have any idea why?
[15:56] <schmoe> hi
[15:56] <schmoe> i just installed linux
[15:56] <schmoe> how do i hack shit
[15:56] <BluesKaj> !hack
[15:57] <avihayb> get a chinsaw, I prefer petrol powered over electric, but that's you'r call, and start hacking
[15:57] <schmoe> nah i mean like fuck'n shit up at the computer.
[15:57] <schmoe> to be fun-e
[15:57] <Pici> schmoe: 1) Please mind your language. 2) This isn't that type of channel.
[15:58] <avihayb> um, I suggest installing windows, disabeling the firewall, and browesing some shady sites for an hour or two, soon enough, your computer will do all kinds of things on it's own
[15:58] <varanus> if i have kubuntu 9.04 rc how do i upgrade to the "stable" version cause KPackegekit gives me no updates?
[15:58] <Pici> !final
[15:59] <avihayb> It will even send messages to your freinds on your behalf
[15:59] <varanus> ty ubottu :)
[15:59] <jonah_> hey guys got some problems, just upgraded to jackalope, anyway i accidently deleted the panel, and there was no add panel right click to make a new one. so i tried mv .kde .kde.bak  to get it back, only now kde is a mess and i can't do anything, how can i reset it all back to default workspace environment?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> schmoe, we don't need mind garbage lingo here..if you have a question relating to kubuntu applications or other relavent subjects , just ask.
[15:59] <canen> jonah_: did you unlock widgets?
[16:00] <jonah_> canen, yeah unlocked them but now haven't got a desktop or anything cos i've wiped over with my old intrepid .kde file
[16:00] <canen> so can't you just add them back?
[16:01] <canen> or am i missing something?
[16:01] <jonah_> canen: no. cos i can't login in, plasma comes up in a big mess, i can't click or get out or get a terminal etc, had to boot into failsafe
[16:01] <canen> oh ok
[16:02] <jonah_> does anyone know how or whether deleting the .kde file will help, will it make a new one on boot or am i screwed?
[16:02] <canen> you could log into a terminal and delete .kde folder
[16:02] <canen> and restart X
[16:02] <canen> that should reset things
[16:02] <jonah_> ok will try that, i'll lose all my torrentz and stuff though won't i?
[16:02] <canen> jonah_: infact rename the .kde folder not delete
[16:03] <jonah_> canen: ah good one yeah, how can i do that?
[16:03] <canen> get to a terminal or rename the folder?
[16:04] <jonah_> canen: i'm in failsafe, what command should i use?
[16:04] <canen> oh ok
[16:05] <canen> from a console 'mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old' should do it
[16:05] <jonah_> canen, thanks a lot i will try  this
[16:05] <canen> np
[16:14] <Guest31818> hi guys
[16:14] <Guest31818> just finished to upgrade to 9.04
[16:14] <Guest31818> i have sound problem
[16:15] <Guest31818> i never expected to get such problem
[16:16] <Daskreech> !sound
[16:16] <Daskreech> !hda
[16:16] <Daskreech> !intelhda
[16:21] <canen> if you have sound problems make sure pulseaudio is not installed
[16:21] <canen> i think there is an issue with that if you do an upgrade
[16:21] <SandGorgon> canen: is pulseaudio installed by default in a clean install ?
[16:22] <canen> not for kubuntu
[16:22] <canen> i don't think so
[16:22] <Daskreech> Not in Kubuntu
[16:28] <sudaya> hello, i am have problem with my webcam on ubuntu
[16:28] <sudaya> any help plz
[16:29] <RAE222> op
[16:32] <jonah_> canen: hi again, ok tried that and thought it had worked as desktop booted up and appeared and the startup sound played and my mouse is there and can move about but nothing works. when float mouse over stuff it doesn't highlight and can't click anything and keyboard doesn't respond. it's just locked frozen but mouse moves about... can't do a ctrl alt f1 even. please help
[16:33] <canen> jonah_: are you sure it's not a graphics card problem?
[16:34] <jonah_> canen: honestly it was working fine before i copied over the .kde folder. now i've renamed it and all comes back and it displays fine but can't do anything
[16:36] <canen> jonah_: not sure what to tell you. the only other file i know if is .kderc but i don't see how that would affect the display
[16:36] <jonah_> canen: i don't know what i can do to save my system from doom, got 1tb of files and stuff
[16:37] <canen> jonah_: but isn't just a display problem?
[16:37] <canen> you could install a window manager like openbox and see what you can do from there
[16:37] <jonah_> canen: not sure what you mean by display problem. cos everything looks fine, ok will try putting nv instead of nvidia in xorg.conf or something
[16:38] <canen> jonah_: what's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[16:39] <Daskreech> The Xorg.0 log ?
[16:40] <Daskreech> Oh wait sorry :-) Thought it wasn't a directed question :)
[16:40] <bigjocker> wooot
[16:40] <bigjocker> 2009-04-23 11:01:23 (146 KB/s) - `kubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso' saved [729608192/729608192]
[16:40] <bigjocker> excelent
[16:41] <jonah_> canen: loads of stuff in there but i don't understand any of it...
[16:41] <SandGorgon> damn... i cant get quassel to have a dark background .... my eyes!
[16:42] <jonah_> canen: ok changed xorg.conf to nv from nvidia and rebooting
[16:42] <jonah_> canen: another issue is it's taking ages, all these reboots. cos my system after bios has a flashing cursor for 5mins before grub and boot up occurs, so sat here waiting all the time
[16:43] <bmunger_> its pretty bad the fact that digikam is advertised on kubuntu site but cannot be installed except by apt-get.. who let that bug get out in the release?
[16:43] <jonah_> canen: but it does that with boot discs/windows pe or anything, it's not ubuntu related
[16:43] <Daskreech> bmunger_: Huh?
[16:43] <canen> jonah_: paste the log file somewhere
[16:43] <canen> pastebin.com
[16:43] <bmunger_> Daskreech: kpackagekit errors on the install because it tries to remove a package
[16:43] <canen> ok
[16:44] <jonah_> canen: i can't. i'm talking to you on a laptop as i can't use my machine with the problem
[16:44] <Daskreech> bmunger_: Sooo kpackagekit can't install it but apt-get can?
[16:44] <bmunger_> Daskreech: correct
[16:44] <canen> jonah_: ok. can you upload the log file when you reboot?
[16:44] <Daskreech> what does it remove?
[16:45] <bmunger_> Daskreech: libgpod4-nogtk
[16:46] <SandGorgon> anybody have recommendations for kde4 irc clients - quassel's unchangeable white background is a problem for me
[16:46] <bmunger_> i like konversation's kde4 svn version
[16:46] <EagleScreen> SandGorgon: test konvi/konversation
[16:46] <SandGorgon> bmunger_, EagleScreen i always used konv - but didnt know they had qt4 versions out
[16:46] <EagleScreen> join to #konversation and ask
[16:47] <bmunger_> SandGorgon: its not out, you have to get a package outside of the repo
[16:47] <SandGorgon> bmunger_: that shouldnt be a problem. any quick pointers to where you checked out the code from ?
[16:48] <Jonah__> canen:  sorry can't paste the log file cos i'm on the laptop talking to you cos of the problem with other box
[16:48] <Jonah__> canen: tried nv instead of nvidia and now i just get a prompt, no kde at all !
[16:48] <bmunger_> SandGorgon: https://launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa
[16:49] <Daskreech> Jonah_: svn in
[16:49] <canen> jonah_: try removing the xorg.conf file, the card should be auto detected
[16:49] <canen> Daskreech: don't you mean ssh?
[16:49] <Daskreech> sorry I'm sleepy
[16:49] <Jonah__> canen: remove it, sounds risky, are you sure?
[16:49] <canen> jonah_: rename it then
[16:50] <bmunger_> move the file or rename it then if you think its risky
[16:50] <SandGorgon> bmunger_, thanks!
[16:51] <Jonah__> canen: ok i tried this instead ;sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:51] <bmunger_> SandGorgon: no
[16:51] <bmunger_> SandGorgon: np
[16:51] <canen> jonah_: that works as well
[16:55] <EagleScreen> SandGorgon: you can download konversaton kde4 packages from here http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=konversation&searchon=names&suite=experimental&section=all
[16:55] <RabidEmu> does anyone know what changes occured to fglrx in 9.04? when I try to upgrade it says there is no version of fglrx in the new version that will work with my hardware so I'm hesitant to upgrade
[16:55] <SandGorgon> EagleScreen, hey thanks
[16:56] <canen> what's up with most of my kde apps slowing down like molasses?
[16:56] <canen> now kate is acting up
[16:57] <SandGorgon> canen, what does top tell you?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> RabidEmu , xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[16:58] <canen> SandGorgon: nothing, i killed them :)
[16:58] <canen> can't debug now.
[16:59] <SandGorgon> canen, ha
[16:59] <canen> SandGorgon: but i think it would have just told me X was taking up ~ 50%
[16:59] <RabidEmu> BluesKaj, doesn't that pretty much break 3D? in the past the radeon drivers have been crap
[17:00] <BluesKaj> RabidEmu , depends what card you're running ...a lot of the onboards are left out in the cold lately
[17:00] <BluesKaj> ati's
[17:01] <RabidEmu> BluesKaj, I have a dedicated x1600 which I do use for gaming in linux. so it would be basically useless in 9.04?
[17:02] <Daskreech> Not it gives you somewhere to plug the monitor
[17:02] <SandGorgon> did you guys manage to  get firefox + flash working in 9.04?
[17:02] <Daskreech> hi tackat
[17:02] <tackat> ho
[17:03] <BluesKaj> RabidEmu, I think the pci cards are well supported now..whynot do a search with your card model # in adept to see what comes up
[17:04] <Jonah__> canen: man sometimes linux can really ruin your day off...
[17:04] <canen> Jonah__: yes, it's ruining mine right now
[17:05] <RabidEmu> BluesKaj, I know it's supported now, the current version of fglrx I have installed works great with my card.  I'm worried about the new version that is in 9.04 breaking compatibility
[17:05] <Jonah__> canen, you do a week at work, and think nice, a day off tmrw, maybe a little sport, or i'll play guitar, go out somewhere, and you end up trying to fix ubuntu! killer!
[17:05] <Jonah__> liking the new kubuntu splash thing though
[17:06] <canen> Jonah__: that's just the way  it is.
[17:06] <Daskreech> what broke in ubuntu?
[17:08] <Jonah__> so what's going down here, are loads of people having display issues?
[17:09] <Daskreech> you cant see anything ?
[17:10] <Idhan> has been knetworkmanager replace it in 9.04?
[17:10] <Daskreech> yes
[17:10] <avihayb> is it any good?
[17:10] <Daskreech> Is what is?
[17:11] <avihayb> KNetMan
[17:11] <dima> hi all
[17:11] <peace_> Daskreech: here with atheros works great
[17:12] <avihayb> I mean, last time I upgraded ubuntu, KNetworkManager was so messed up, I almost cried from desperation trying to connect to an internet
[17:12] <peace_> Daskreech: with madwifi with ath5k sucks
[17:12] <Jonah__> Daskreech: my kubuntu seems to be screwed since the update... crashing etc - don't know if it's buggy nvidia or me!
[17:12] <Daskreech> avihayb: Yeah it was pretty bad in ibex that's why it was replaced
[17:12] <Daskreech> Jonah__: What kind of crashes?
[17:13] <dima> i just updated . looks good
[17:13] <peace_> Jonah__: here with intel work great
[17:13] <avihayb> thankfully, the farm pinguins helped me out a bit, and I managed to connect and replace it with the gnome manager
[17:13] <peace_> with old intel driver
[17:13] <peace_> avihayb: here works great default kde networkmanager
[17:13] <avihayb> peace_: what card model?
[17:14] <peace_> 945gm
[17:14] <Daskreech> Jonah__: X crashes or kernel crashes?
[17:14] <avihayb> is it a big improvement over the ones (drivers) that come with 8.10?
[17:14] <peace_> avihayb: if you mean wifi card here atheros ar 5006
[17:15] <darkweasel> can i configure kde 4.2 to treat a long keypress sooner than default like several keypresses? i.e. that a long a press becomes aaaaaaaaaaaa after shorter time than it's now
[17:15] <avihayb> no, ment GFX, I have an intel x3100 or 965GM, and it's outperformed in GLXGears, or anything else for that matter by my 9 years old ATI Radeon 7200
[17:16] <Idhan> so..what is the replacement of knetworkmanager?
[17:16] <dima> can new amarok save current pos in playlist(f.e. audio book)?
[17:17] <doleyb> darkweasel: well i don't remember where the kde setting is, but you can run "xset r"
[17:17] <Daskreech> dima: It's capable of doing it don't know if it does
[17:17] <darkweasel> xset r doesn't do anything actually...
[17:20] <WorldBFree> is there a way to boot the .iso directly from the hd
[17:20] <Daskreech> !install
[17:20] <clau30> hi. I cancelled the upgrade (before actually starting it, at "xMB will be downloaded...").. how do I start it again (the icon disappeared)
[17:20] <clau30> ?
[17:20] <SandGorgon> WorldBFree, if you use the "Desktop" ISO/CD , you can pop it in your drive and testdrive jaunty
[17:21] <WorldBFree> SandGorgon, i dont want to burn
[17:21] <Quicken2k> how come shipit says 9.04 hasn't been released?
[17:21] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[17:21] <WorldBFree> there has to be a fromiso or something like that
[17:22] <WorldBFree> ive done it with other deb based distros, where you can mount the iso from the hd in grub and load it
[17:22] <eagles0513875> WorldBFree: you want a bootable usb
[17:22] <eagles0513875> WorldBFree: would that work
[17:22] <WorldBFree> you just need to extract the proper files, initrd and vmlinuz, although each distro works different
[17:22] <Quicken2k> where can I find a list of supported hardware?
[17:22] <WorldBFree> eagles0513875, thats not what im talking about either
[17:23] <eagles0513875> WorldBFree: you want a live cd or live usb right
[17:23] <WorldBFree> im talking about having the iso saved on my hd, and directing grub to load that iso
[17:23] <SandGorgon> WorldBFree, Then what I suggest you do is install VirtualBox and simulate the ISO inside a VM - I run a lot like that
[17:23] <eagles0513875> WorldBFree: then i dunno
[17:23] <clau30> !upgrade
[17:23] <Daskreech> WorldBFree: Look at the last link in the statement ubottu made
[17:23] <Daskreech> !hardware
[17:23] <eagles0513875> hey Daskreech
[17:23] <Daskreech> hi
[17:24] <clau30> nobody knows?
[17:24] <Daskreech> clau30: What did you do?
[17:24] <WorldBFree> not what im talking about either
[17:24] <clau30> ah, found it on the update page, never mind :)
[17:24] <WorldBFree> http://manual.sidux.com/en/hd-install-opts-en.htm#fromiso
[17:24] <Quicken2k> thanks Daskreech
[17:25] <Daskreech> Sure
[17:25] <WorldBFree> have a look there, ive done it that way many times.  doesnt work quite with kubuntu though but its close
[17:25] <WorldBFree> ive gotten to the loading modules part and it doesnt find any modules
[17:25] <eagles0513875> WorldBFree: you basically want to use the iso like a live cd/usb
[17:25] <WorldBFree> yes
[17:25] <Quicken2k> that's for Ubuntu
[17:26] <eagles0513875> WorldBFree: you can do that with a usb
[17:26] <eagles0513875> !unetbootin | WorldBFree
[17:27] <eagles0513875> WorldBFree: is that what you are after
[17:27] <WorldBFree> eagles0513875, i dont have a usb flash
[17:27] <eagles0513875> thats as far as i can help ya with the issue
[17:27] <eagles0513875> WorldBFree: im curious to see what the solution will be to ur issue
[17:27] <eagles0513875> *your
[17:29] <WorldBFree> ive tried messing around with 8.10 and could get close...  between a combination of using different boot files, various initrd, miniroot, vmlinuz grub configurations, alternative installation images
[17:30] <Daskreech> !install | eagles0513875
[17:30] <Daskreech> look at the last link
[17:30] <eagles0513875> Daskreech: i have it on the beta btw
[17:30] <eagles0513875> i have had jaunty since beta been updating it
[17:30] <Daskreech> have what?
[17:30] <WorldBFree> ill try again, see how far i can get
[17:30] <Daskreech> OK :-)
[17:30] <eagles0513875> Daskreech: think you mean WorldBFree
[17:30] <Daskreech> eagles0513875: No you. That's what he is trying to do
[17:30] <jason_froebe> I miss the "20+ updates" a day now that juanty is released :(      ;-)
[17:30] <cllaudyu> hey how can i see if i have latest os instaled?
[17:31] <eagles0513875> WorldBFree: i would put it on launchpad.net wishlist
[17:31] <Daskreech> assuming that WorldBFree is a he
[17:31] <rubicon> hi all
[17:31] <Daskreech> cllaudyu: did you update to Jaunty?
[17:31] <cllaudyu> yea
[17:31] <WorldBFree> i am a he
[17:31] <Daskreech> cllaudyu: well then just do a normal update and you are ok
[17:31] <rubicon> my firefox is broken since the update 3 minutes ago
[17:31] <cllaudyu> ok
[17:32] <WorldBFree> world b free was a famous basketball player
[17:32] <rubicon> (only adept-update, no version-update)
[17:32] <eagles0513875> Daskreech: that site seems to be getting hammerd lol
[17:33] <SandGorgon> rubicon: do you have flash working ?
[17:33] <SandGorgon> rubicon, in firefox i mean
[17:33] <rubicon> SandGorgon: flash ran, i checked blender.org, then i updated fierfox (as proposed by apt) and now: nothing, not even konqueror
[17:33] <eagles0513875> fyi i upgraded from intrepid to jaunty back when it was still beta and i had old stuff that are no longer in jaunty
[17:34] <cato> what is kded4 good for? it was using 100% of one cpu, terminating it didn't break anything ...
[17:34] <eagles0513875> like adept has been replaced with new package manager
[17:34] <eagles0513875> knetwork has been replaced with  with a new network manager plasmoid
[17:35] <SandGorgon> rubicon, did u install FF using apt ?
[17:36] <rubicon> SandGorgon: why does also konqueror fail to open any website?
[17:36] <Daskreech> cato: It makes kde work
[17:36] <rubicon> SandGorgon: FF?
[17:36] <SandGorgon> rubicon, firefox
[17:36] <SandGorgon> rubicon, suggest you delete ~/.kde (or move it to ~/.kde.backup
[17:37] <rubicon> SandGorgon: ok, will try thanks
[17:38] <MrBallZ> hi :)
[17:38] <SandGorgon> rubicon, what version of firefox are u having this problem at?
[17:38] <dima> where can i get drivers for Intel mobile chipset family video card ?
[17:38] <rubicon> i just updated the last update from today
[17:40] <draik_> !upgrade
[17:40] <rubicon> will repair FF now
[17:42] <MrBallZ> any major issues known yet with the upgrade ???  ( thinking about waiting a week or so for problems )
[17:44] <d3jake> This may be a stupid question but: One of the release candidates was released with a version of KDE3. Are there plans to release a version of Kubuntu 9.04 with KDE3, or only with KDE4?
[17:45] <Daskreech> d3jake: There is one with KDE3 but it is delayed a day
[17:45] <d3jake> ahh, okay
[17:45] <d3jake> Thanks :)
[17:46] <d3jake> I'm going to do the upgrade with KDE4 on my desktop (which is faster...) and see if I like it, if not I'll upgrade to teh KDE3 version.
[17:46] <kde185> I remember hearing there was a bug with ext4 and ubuntu 9.04, is there a specific bug I can follow to track the status of this bug?
[17:48] <Fanfare> Q: i have lots of intrepid repos in apt/sources.list. Should i comment them out before upgrade to Jaunty?
[17:48] <ahox> Hi, i just installed jaunty, however now my fglrx crashes my box. I found that this seems to be a bug with the 9.4 driver version.
[17:49] <slmichalk> hello
[17:49] <ahox> Is there some other way of getting a multihead desktop?
[17:49] <ahox> Fanfare: the installer should do it on its own
[17:49] <Fanfare> ahox: k, thx
[17:50] <slmichalk> I can't get the damn live CD to run.
[17:50] <slmichalk> it freezes when I hit enter.
[17:50] <Fanfare> ahox: sry cant help with ati... using nvidia with multi...
[17:50] <jhgf> why does kubuntu run Open Office and not Koffice?
[17:50] <slmichalk> Why not get both?
[17:51] <RabidEmu> ahox: I've been googling around and it looks like fglrx 9.4 dropped support for some ati cards which is causing lots of people problems
[17:54] <ahox> RabidEmu: mine is a rather new one, Radeon HD3600 in an HP workstation with a quadcore.
[17:54] <ahox> RabidEmu: also, it does kind of sometimes work for a minute or so...
[17:55] <RabidEmu> ahox: sorry I don't really know more.  you can try here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fglrx and check the compatibility in 9.4, there's a list of supported cards
[17:57] <jmichaelx> ahox: i am so disgusted with AMD/fglrx, that i am getting rid of my hd 2600 xt today, and switching to nvidia
[17:58] <ahox> jmichaelx: well, its my office pc here, so not really my choice - but its really annoying
[17:58] <jmichaelx> REALLY annoying - no videos will play properly
[18:00] <XPS_M1330> how do you manually group tasks in the task manager?
[18:06] <draik> Hello all. Anyone here already using the new release of 9.04?
[18:07] <rmrfslash> draik: lots
[18:07] <draik> How is it? I'm about to start it on my laptop before I do it on my desktop and ultimately on my netbook.
[18:08] <rmrfslash> draik: works very well. I think you'll like KDE 4.2.2
[18:08] <draik> Much different than the current KDE 4.2.? that I'm on with Intrepid?
[18:08] <rmrfslash> Intrepid uses KDE 4.1, unless you upgraded to 4.2 using backports
[18:09] <jmichaelx> howdy, mr draik
[18:09] <draik> jmichaelx: How are you and how have you been?
[18:09] <jmichaelx> doing well, brother
[18:09] <draik> rmrfslash: IIRC, I did upgrade to 4.2
[18:09] <draik> jmichaelx: That's always great to hear.
[18:10] <jmichaelx> you're good with jaunty & kde4.2, UNLESS you are using an ATI video card
[18:10] <rmrfslash> draik: Then you're already seeing a lot of the improvements in 9.04. Not all of them though.
[18:10] <rmrfslash> jmichaelx: amen to that :-/
[18:10] <ubuntu_> Hey all... busy installing kubuntu
[18:11] <draik> I've never had ATI
[18:11] <ubuntu_> but... u guys think its save 2 install it on ext4?
[18:11] <draik> I've been using Ext3
[18:11] <rmrfslash> jmichaelx: I mean, the open source ATI drivers are "coming along".... that's all I can say. Though the version of radeonhd included w/ Jaunty is still a lot broken
[18:11] <kde185> are there plans to fix the performance issues with ATI during the 9.04 cycle?
[18:12] <jmichaelx> draik, big time good for you - i am planning to ditch ATI/fglrx for good today - and i have a CHEAP hd2600 xt to pawn off, if anyone is interested
[18:12] <kde185> specifically, with the r300 series
[18:12] <rmrfslash> kde185: I think ATI is working hard on a proprietary driver for kernel 2.6.28
[18:12] <rmrfslash> kde185: not out yet tho
[18:13] <kde185> rmrfslash: thanks, but FGLRX dropped r300 support
[18:13] <jmichaelx> rmrfslash: i agree that the OSS driver is coming along, and that is good. i am just done with the company, though. i want no more ati
[18:13] <gmiernicki> anyone know how to set a bluetooth headset as the "default soundcard" in 8.10 or 9.04 ?
[18:13] <rmrfslash> kde185: who know, they could already have one, but it's not in the kubuntu repos
[18:13] <gmiernicki> seems to work no problem with amarok
[18:13] <rmrfslash> kde185: did it? Might have to go w/ open source driver then
[18:14] <jmichaelx> rmrfslash: AMD just came out with their new driver a few days ago. i already have it installed. it's crap.
[18:14] <draik> I was gifted a Dell SmartStep 250N; cost me about $150 for the new HDD and new stick of RAM. I guess I got that laptop for $150 if you want to look at it that way. It's not the best laptop in the world, but it is the best for what it does; kopete, firefox, konversation and upgrades.
[18:14] <jmichaelx> draik: what kind of CPU?
[18:14] <rmrfslash> jmichaelx: Lot of ppl are in your boat. My opinion is that ATI is really the only team player right now.... so far as open source goes.
[18:14] <kde185> rmrfslash: yeah, I've known I'm going to have to go with -radeon but I would like to know what kind of work I'm going to have to do to fix the performance regression
[18:15] <gmiernicki> bluetooth assistance not available?
[18:15] <jmichaelx> rmrfslash: they really are not team players.... they are team players in word ONLY, that is
[18:15] <draik> I built this desktop and total came out to $2700. It's not the top of the line now, but it was good for a very long time. I'll provide specs if you're interested.
[18:15] <draik> Now I bought myself an Acer Aspire One 10.1"
[18:15] <draik> jmichaelx: CPU on the SmartStep 250N... honestly, I don't know off the top of my head.
[18:15] <jmichaelx> draik: i was wondering about the dell smartstep - i have an old ALDI Medion laptop, that is nearly identical to some smartsteps
[18:16] <rmrfslash> jmichaelx: let me rephrase that. They've released the specs for most if not all of their boards/chips to the OS community and they're providing support to Novell on the OS driver(s). That's what I meant by being a team player. That's more than NVidia is doing.
[18:16] <jmichaelx> draik: i bet the aspire is nice. i bought a dell mini 9 several months ago, and use it continuously
[18:17] <jmichaelx> rmrfslash: i know what you're saying, and i know what AMD is claiming, but IMO, when you add it all up, they are doing a very crappy job - that is, however, only my opinion
[18:17] <draik> jmichaelx: It is VERY nice indeed. I don't know how, but it started to move up the scale for me and I now use it for just about everything. I have used it more than my laptop and desktop combined in the past 3 weeks.
[18:18] <jmichaelx> draik: same here with this netbook
[18:18] <rmrfslash> draik: Take a look @ this page for progress on features for radeon users broken down by chipset http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
[18:18] <draik> I just did LSPCI on the SmartStep and saw that I have ATI Radeon :(
[18:18] <jmichaelx> draik: radeon mobility?
[18:19] <draik> jmichaelx: Yep
[18:19] <jmichaelx> draik: if that laptop is like my ALDI (Yes, ALDI's), it may have a P4 chipset... not PM, mind you, but a full out desktop P4
[18:20] <jmichaelx> the ALDI also has a radeon mobility VPU
[18:20] <draik> I doubt it's a P4 in there.
[18:20] <draik> P3 I would believe
[18:20] <rmrfslash> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[18:20] <jmichaelx> i bought the ALDI brand new in '03
[18:22] <draik> rmrfslash: Interesting. It is a P4.
[18:22] <jmichaelx> has anyone in here successfully upgraded from 8.04 to 9.04?
[18:22] <draik> 2GHz
[18:22] <jmichaelx> draik: it sounds like your machine is probably identical to mine, besides the name & branding
[18:22] <draik> Probably
[18:22] <jmichaelx> draik: those are actually decent machine
[18:22] <jmichaelx> machines*
[18:24] <draik> jmichaelx: Essentially, the conversation (of gifting) went like this... "it sux. you fix" [ok, I'll take a look] "I buy new laptop. You keep" [ummm, ok]
[18:24] <jmichaelx> the only drawback with the way they put those things together, using desktop P4 CPU's, is that they are slightly prone to overheating
[18:24] <jmichaelx> draik: that's pretty sweet
[18:25] <draik> jmichaelx: You are not kidding. I have it raised on one of those laptop base-swings.
[18:25] <draik> It swivels the base from flat, down to 45 degrees and then a steep 20 degrees.
[18:25] <jmichaelx> draik: i use mine on one of those laptop coolers. it is worthwhile keeping the dust blown out as well
[18:25] <willem> hai
[18:26] <ScorpKing> hi guys. on 9.04 if i want to install kdeedu do i only have to install the kdeedu package or is there kde4 specific packages?
[18:26] <willem> don't know
[18:26] <ScorpKing> same question for kdegames
[18:26] <willem> have 9.04 just 10 min installed
[18:26] <jmichaelx> ScorpKing: i believe kdeedu is a metapackage, if so, it will install all KDE edu-related packages
[18:27] <willem> if you upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 the games will be the same
[18:27] <jmichaelx> man, have the ubuntu servers suddenly slowed to a crawl, lol
[18:27] <ScorpKing> jmichaelx: yes i know but do i still have to worry about kde3 version being installed onto kde4?
[18:28] <draik> jmichaelx: Thanks for bringing that up. I've been seeing it crawl to 10-50kb/s
[18:28] <ScorpKing> haha.. yes the servers are barely alive
[18:29] <jmichaelx> i tried to make sure all of my k/ubuntu machines (i have 5) were upgraded before this morning
[18:29] <olskolirc> I'm on Intrepid and for some reason, I can't use my numbers keypad in the konsole terminal.  How do I fix this?
[18:29] <draik> I have this desktop, 2 laptops and my netbook. Upgrades are being done on the laptop and desktop as we speak
[18:29] <draik> speak/chat whatever
[18:29] <jmichaelx> i have one desktop that i had already upgraded, but did not start installing kubuntu-desktop until 30 minutes ago or so
[18:30] <draik> Ubuntu Server question... What is the best interface after CLI?
[18:30] <draik> Interface in regards to server management
[18:30] <olskolirc> someone say my name please
[18:30] <zoiss> olskolirc
[18:30] <jmichaelx> here, two desktops, one laptop, two netbooks
[18:30] <zoiss> :]
[18:30] <olskolirc> thanks
[18:30] <jmichaelx> olskolirc:
[18:31] <draik> olskolirc:
[18:31] <jmichaelx> slow on the draw
[18:31] <olskolirc> got it
[18:31] <olskolirc> im yellow now
[18:31] <draik> I just kept seeing it and disregarded thinking it was part of some joke/prank
[18:31] <jmichaelx> the one netbook is an Everex Cloudbook - what a crappy company
[18:31] <draik> jmichaelx: Never heard of them
[18:32] <jmichaelx> draik: i am sorry that i have heard of them
[18:33] <jmichaelx> i had quit messing with it, but now i am working hard to resuscitate it for my gf
[18:33] <jmichaelx> it works find with windows, but i cannot abide giving it to her with windows on it
[18:33] <jmichaelx> fine*
[18:34] <jmichaelx> ach, i had one package time out on me just now, while installing kubuntu-desktop. the servers are really getting hit
[18:35] <ScorpKing> what's the current status of koffice2?
[18:35] <rubicon> hi all,
[18:35] <ScorpKing> hi rubicon
[18:35] <jmichaelx> ScorpKing: i've not looked at it, but have heard that there have been some significant improvements
[18:35] <draik> The AAO had issues with the first install of Kubuntu. I backed up my content, repo list and created my installed app list. When I reinstalled, I put in the repo list and ran the dselect-upgrade and installation. This fixed so many issues that I didn't even have to include the special scripts.
[18:36] <simone> hi...I was upgrading kubuntu and the upgrade stopped to download. So I close the application and I don't how to resume it. Any idea?
[18:36] <ScorpKing> jmichaelx: i'll check the site. kdeedu and kdegames are the 4.2 version btw
[18:36] <rubicon> any known issues with old ATI and nvidia?
[18:37] <RabidEmu> rubicon: the fglrx driver in 9.04 drops support for older ati cards
[18:37] <Brazil01> anyone from brazil here?
[18:37] <jmichaelx> simone: when you restart, you will want to first run 'sudo apt-get update', then 'sudo apt-get -f install', then 'sudo dpkg --configure -a', then 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[18:37] <jmichaelx> ATI/fglrx sucks.
[18:37] <Brazil01> who's wanaa talk?!
[18:38] <khear> is there a kde4 utility for managing non-kde system services (let's say i install apache but don't want it to autostart)? there was such a thing in kde3.
[18:38] <rmrfslash> Brazil01: Capoeira!!!!!!!
[18:40] <peace_> khear: /usr/share/autostart
[18:41] <jmichaelx> i have an AMD/ATI HD 2600 XT video card, and cannot play ANY videos properly in 9.04, with the ati9.4 driver that was released just a few days ago
[18:41] <peace_> jmichaelx: ati sucks
[18:41] <peace_> tha's
[18:41] <jmichaelx> ati sucks big time
[18:41] <rubicon> noooo.....
[18:41] <rmrfslash> you guys r h8ers
[18:41] <jmichaelx> yes, i have become an ATI h8ter
[18:41] <bbeck> Anyone know why the mouse cursor changes style when dragging a file in dolphin?
[18:42] <draik> I have to get my day started. I will leave this online simply because this desktop is notorious for suddenly losing network connectivity. I'm hoping 9.04 fixes that issue on this desktop.
[18:42] <rubicon> with the radeon-driver even compiz works fine (under LinuxMint felicia, Radeon9000mobility)
[18:42] <peace_> when you buy a video card
[18:42] <peace_> you have to think to nvidia or better intel
[18:42] <peace_> intel is for office use
[18:43] <peace_> nvidia for game\ office
[18:43] <jmichaelx> rubicon: if you are using a radeon 900, the OSS drivers are definitely awesome. if you are using a newer generation card, you're stuck in the mud, probably for a long time
[18:43] <peace_> ati is still sucking right now
[18:43] <jmichaelx> adios, draiki have to leave, too. have an appointment to have a finger worked on in 20 minutes
[18:43] <rubicon> imho, ati is better than intel
[18:43] <Idespnnr> peace_: intel drivers are totally busted thee days
[18:43] <jmichaelx> draik *
[18:43] <Idespnnr> these**
[18:43] <peace_> Idespnnr: i have fixed
[18:43] <mohi> the modified time for kubuntu DVDs are 21th of april. is it OK?
[18:43] <rubicon> bye jmichaelx
[18:44] <mohi> in i mean in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[18:44] <Idespnnr> peace_: You have fixed intel drivers? or rolled back?
[18:44] <jmichaelx> yeah, the whole state of linux video drivers is fairl sad right now
[18:44] <peace_> rubicon: with my intell i have done nothing and it just works
[18:44] <peace_> Idespnnr: rolled back
[18:44] <jmichaelx> peace_: it all depends which intel chip you are using
[18:44] <Idespnnr> peace_: same here...
[18:44] <Idespnnr> ive a GMA 945
[18:44] <jmichaelx> ok, i'm out. peace all.
[18:44] <peace_> i have 945 gm
[18:45] <Idespnnr> rolled back restored all functionality
[18:45] <peace_> works fine here very very fine
[18:45] <peace_> yes :)
[18:45] <simone> hi...I was upgrading kubuntu and the upgrade stopped to download. So I close the application and I don't how to resume it. Any idea?
[18:45] <rustam> Hello. I'm novice. Is there anybody from russia?
[18:45] <Idespnnr> *if you rollback**
[18:45] <rubicon> jmichaelx: good luck
[18:45] <peace_> Idespnnr: the new driver , improve 2D but for 3D...
[18:46] <peace_> improves
[18:46] <khear> peace_: non-kde, and there is a gui tool builtin to manage the kde services.
[18:46] <Idespnnr> peace_: do you have desktop effects working with the rollback driver?
[18:46] <peace_> yes
[18:47] <peace_> compiz or kde effects work great here
[18:47] <Idespnnr> anything special you did to get those working? mine has artifacts when enabled
[18:47] <ejefferson> man this update is taking forever
[18:47] <ejefferson> says 15 hours
[18:48] <peace_> Idespnnr: none i put the repository on source list e then instlled the old driver
[18:48] <peace_> stop
[18:48] <peace_> the only fuckin thing is amarok = 200 mb of memory lol
[18:48] <peace_> wtf
[18:49] <Pici> peace_: Please mind your language here.
[18:49] <peace_> luckly i have compiled my kernel so
[18:49] <jasondt> help
[18:49] <jasondt> trying to get flash installed
[18:49] <arranon0110> quick question, my update is taking forever, so I want to switch repositories. However it warns me not to stop the update
[18:49] <peace_> jackson: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:50] <jmichaelx> peace_: you can ditch amarok2 and go back to 1.4. that is what i did. there are instructions on how to do that in the forums
[18:50] <rustam> никто по-русски не говорит сегодня?
[18:50] <jmichaelx> amarok 2 is just half-baked
[18:50] <peace_> !russian | rubicon
[18:50] <peace_> !russian | rustam
[18:50] <jasondt> how can install flash for 64bit kubuntu 9.04
[18:50] <peace_> rubicon: sorry
[18:50] <peace_> !flash | jasondt
[18:51] <rustam> Thanks a lot!
[18:51] <jasondt> thnx
[18:51] <peace_> jmichaelx: yeah that is a solution
[18:51] <Idespnnr> !Restricted
[18:51] <arranon0110> so how can i switch repositories in the middle of the update?
[18:51] <Idespnnr> !Intel
[18:52] <peace_> !intel
[18:52] <peace_> LOL
[18:52] <Idespnnr> worth a shot i suppose
[18:52] <Idespnnr> !ubuntu-nbr
[18:52] <ubunturos> someone may have to feed in about intel :)
[18:52] <Idespnnr> !netbook
[18:52] <SliMM> hello
[18:52] <Idespnnr> !ubuntu-netbook-remix
[18:53] <SliMM> how stable is the new kubuntu?
[18:53] <Idespnnr> I ran it for a while while it was beta
[18:53] <peace_> SliMM: here is very fine
[18:53] <Idespnnr> it was good
[18:53] <peace_> SliMM: http://www.vimeo.com/4259951
[18:53] <peace_> my kubuntu working with a ultra heavy recordmydekstop down
[18:54] <SliMM> i prefere the eye candy
[18:54] <peace_> Idespnnr: xD alpha 4 user
[18:54] <rubicon> peace: okay
[18:54] <Idespnnr> peace_: Sparc Alpha 4?
[18:54] <Idespnnr> err wait
[18:54] <Idespnnr> nm
[18:54] <peace_> from the alpha 4 xD
[18:55] <Idespnnr> yea ok
[18:55] <Idespnnr> cool
[18:55] <SliMM> what's the alternative to firefox in kde?
[18:55] <peace_> never got a issue
[18:55] <Idespnnr> konqueror
[18:55] <Idespnnr> SliMM: konqueror
[18:55] <peace_> SliMM: you can use konqueror, arora rekonq
[18:55] <rubicon> yes, konqueror
[18:55] <SliMM> what engine is it based on?
[18:55] <Idespnnr> it has rendering issues sometimes though
[18:55] <peace_> SliMM: or  opera  , but is closed source
[18:56] <peace_> konqueror khtml \ webkit
[18:56] <peace_> arora webkit
[18:56] <Idespnnr> anyone here know the magic to 100% firefox integration with KDE?
[18:56] <peace_> rekonq webkit
[18:56] <SliMM> no, I hate opera, it doesn't integrate with the native widget set
[18:56] <peace_> Idespnnr: yes :) sudo apt-get install gtk-qt-engine
[18:56] <SliMM> firefox is extremly slow
[18:56] <peace_> you get a nice firefox for kde4
[18:57] <SliMM> at least on my xubuntu
[18:57] <Idespnnr> peace_: well, i mean, firefox runs and all, but when you download a file and try to open it
[18:57] <Idespnnr> no applications are listed as programs to open the file with
[18:57] <erich_ds> Hi everybody. I have some trouble upgrading to jj. I get the message: "cannot fix problems, you have broken packages. this can be caused by..."
[18:57] <SliMM> how does the new kubuntu work in terms of speed and responsiveness, compared to older versions?
[18:58] <erich_ds> 1) upgrading to a pre-release (which is not)
[18:58] <rubicon> tschüss (=bye)
[18:58] <peace_> Idespnnr: mmm sorry i use firefox few times i sue arora and konqueror
[18:58] <erich_ds> 2) running the current pre-release (which I am not)
[18:58] <Idespnnr> !arora
[18:58] <HighHo> erich_ds: how are you upgrading?
[18:59] <erich_ds> 3) unofficial software packages not provided by ubuntu (except from binaries installed, I don't have .deb packages in the way I think)
[18:59] <peace_> http://code.google.com/p/arora/
[18:59] <erich_ds> HighHo: upgrading via GUI after getting the notification
[18:59] <theuser1> $ ssh localhost
[18:59] <theuser1> The authenticity of host 'localhost (127.0.0.1)' can't be established.
[18:59] <theuser1> RSA key fingerprint is fe:00:7b:6b:e3:7a:51:d8:a3:ee:6c:89:e1:e8:44:4e.
[18:59] <theuser1> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? n
[18:59] <peace_> ---> arora http://www.vimeo.com/3760960
[18:59] <erich_ds> HighHo: I also made sure on the shell that an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade doesn't throw any errors
[19:00]  * theuser1 waits
[19:00] <erich_ds> How can I debug the problem, the error message says /var/log/dist-upgrade can help
[19:00] <HighHo> erich_ds:  try from konsole:  apt-get install dist-upgrade
[19:01] <BluesKaj> erich_ds, try : sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade , it worked for me .
[19:02] <erich_ds> BluesKaj: trying
[19:03] <erich_ds> BluesKaj: now it doesn't seem to want to upgrade the dist any more...
[19:03] <erich_ds> no error message, just nothing to do
[19:03] <BluesKaj> then yer done
[19:04] <erich_ds> BluesKaj: can't be, it didn't download the packages yet
[19:04] <HighHo> erich_ds: check the following file /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:05] <BluesKaj> erich_ds , other command might do it if you're not done, sudo update-manager -d
[19:05] <erich_ds> HighHo: still everything on "intrepid"
[19:07] <HighHo> erich_ds: edit the file so intrepid is jaunty and try again
[19:08] <arranon0110> Hello everyone. I need some help. I am trying to update, but getting 14k download rates. so how can i switch repositories in the middle of the update?
[19:13] <desu> arranon0110: ctrl+c, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update
[19:16] <HazaL> folks. what command can i issue to get the basic hardware information on my computer?
[19:16] <Pici> sudo lshw
[19:16] <doleyb> HazaL: cat /proc/cpuinfo /proc/meminfo;lspci;lsusb
[19:17] <HazaL> Pici: Cheers :)
[19:17] <yao_ziyuan> where can i download kde 4.3? ideally a deb repository
[19:17] <HazaL> What im trying to do is this... i just reformatted my machine and my sound does not work. last time i had to edit a certain sound config file (added a single line to the sound file)
[19:18] <HazaL> i need to figure out what i did last time to make my sound work
[19:19] <HighHo> !sound
[19:20] <Dragnslcr> yao_ziyuan- I doubt there's a repository for 4.3 yet
[19:21] <yao_ziyuan> if i want natilus' folder icons to use kde's icons,
[19:21] <yao_ziyuan> i have to run gnome-settings-daemon.
[19:21] <yao_ziyuan> is there a way without gnome-settings-daemon?
[19:24] <ubuntu> hi all im about to install 9.4 and find out that they have changed the installer (I can set as mountpoint only / but not the homepartition dose it autodetect?
[19:25] <SandGorgon> how do I get only programs for a particular desktop to show in the panel - right now it shows for all desktops
[19:25] <adasz> how can i uninstall java ?
[19:25] <eagles0513875> anyone else having issues getting on to launchpad
[19:26] <Idespnnr> adasz: which java? sun?
[19:27] <adasz> Idespnnr: no i installed an other pakage
[19:27] <Daskreech> SandGorgon: set the setting in the task  manager?
[19:27] <Idespnnr> adasz: what java package?
[19:28] <adasz> how can i check?
[19:30] <adasz> Idesponnr: how can i check it?
[19:32] <Intrepid> I've started encountering a problem recently where logging out of KDE locks my display and input devices.
[19:32] <Idespnnr> adasz: you may be able to do something like: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[19:32] <toby_> Trying to upgrade to 9.04 and it says "Could not download the release notes, please check your internet connection". Presumably this is because the servers are being hammered?
[19:33] <peaches> is jaunty released
[19:34] <toby_> Yep, check kubuntu.org
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> toby_: yeah, that's probably means that the servers are swamped
[19:36] <adasz> asd
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> I find its usually better to upgrage the night before manually, since 99.9% of the time it will be the same as what will be the released the next day
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> or one package away in rare cases
[19:36] <toby_> Okay, I'll try that!
[19:36] <toby_> ...oh. :)
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah :P
[19:38] <ScorpKing> what packages do i need to play mp3's?
[19:40] <kde185> ScorpKing: kubuntu-restricted-extras I believe
[19:40] <w-heat> argh! I just updated to Jaunty and have lost my kde task bar at desktop
[19:40] <ScorpKing> thanks kde185
[19:42] <w-heat> any idea?
[19:43] <Idespnnr> whats the official name of that KDE awesome bar launcher
[19:43] <Idespnnr> the one when you do alt-f2
[19:43] <devil> ciao
[19:45] <bubba> Hi, im having serious wireless issues since upgrading to 9.04. It worked the first time, but after restaring the computer it doesnt work any more. help please
[19:45] <SandGorgon> Idespnnr: krunner
[19:45] <Daskreech> Idespnnr: krunner
[19:46] <jasondt> how can i install bcop
[19:46] <bubba> in fact, most things ran smother with 8.10, my framerate with the eyecandy has become much worse as well
[19:46] <jasondt> jasondt@jasondt-kubuntu:~/atlantis$ make
[19:46] <jasondt> Makefile:144: *** [ERROR] BCOP not installed but is needed to build plugin.  Stop.
[19:47] <jasondt> im running 9.04 bubba, and everything is smooth as ice
[19:48] <bubba> jasondt, lucky you then!
[19:48] <jasondt> u may need to reinstall ur video drivers
[19:49] <peaches> wait till you start using it jasondt
[19:49] <jasondt> yeah i just upgraded today
[19:49] <jasondt> trying to get the atlantis fish plugin working for compiz
[19:49] <jasondt> and i get this error
[19:49] <jasondt> jasondt@jasondt-kubuntu:~/atlantis$ make
[19:49] <jasondt> Makefile:144: *** [ERROR] BCOP not installed but is needed to build plugin.  Stop.
[19:49] <peaches> does nepomuk load properly in 9.04
[19:50] <jasondt> i dunno whats that do
[19:50] <peaches> slows down your computer, takes up a lot of memory, but indexes your files for you
[19:51] <jasondt> ahhh, well if it auto runs with the OS, i guess its workin ok, im having no speed issues
[19:51] <jasondt> coarse i have quad core amd 9850 with 4gb ram
[19:52] <peaches> yeah it's probably not auto started .. would need to check nepomuk / strigi configuration
[19:53] <rolandb> Help needed! I just installed Kubuntu 9.04.
[19:53] <peaches> i'm wonderifing if they've at least started to push it out yet
[19:53] <jasondt> i dunno, im still kinda new to linux, ive only been using it for 3 months
[19:53] <rolandb> How can I reset to panel on the bottom ?
[19:54] <peaches> rolandb: delete ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[19:54] <peaches> jasondt: you use compiz over kde's 3d desktop then?
[19:55] <jasondt> well peaches this is what im trying to do
[19:55] <jasondt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTRsLW0eet0&feature=player_embedded
[19:56] <jasondt> i have my cube working perfect
[19:56] <jasondt> but i cant get the atlantis installed
[19:56] <JDShewey> Having trouble with nvidia performance w/ compiz. It is a nvidia quadro NVS 280. Any suggestions?
[19:56] <JDShewey> I am on jaunty
[19:57] <yaa_> happy new release
[19:58] <jasondt> ok i just noticed a new problem peaches
[19:58] <peaches> jasondt: that thing is actually pretty cool
[19:58] <jasondt> my sound aint working
[19:58] <jasondt> i have no sound
[19:58] <jasondt> :(
[19:58] <MrBallZ> So, lots of problems with fglrx ?  ... I'm still thinking on upgrading, I have a AMD/ATI laptop, with a Mobility Radeon X1200 ... and I have a feeling I'll have probs, I use the propietary driver ...
[19:59] <jasondt> i play the video and i get static in my speakers
[20:00] <jasondt> damnit, i didnt need this sound problem, just when i thought everything was workin ok
[20:00] <jasondt> i have no idea how to fix this
[20:01] <peaches> yaa_: happy rediscover-computer-issues day ;)
[20:01] <JDShewey> The new 8.60 (catalyst driver 9.4) didn't work very well with my X600 card, but I don't know if ther have been other major ati issues.
[20:01] <jasondt> n/m i fixed it, my mixer was all muted
[20:02] <yaa_> ;)
[20:03] <jasondt> and i still wanna know how they got windows running inside linux like that on the youtube video, at full speed
[20:03] <Dashkal> heh, nice.  Half way through the upgrade progess a reboot button appears in my tray.... something tells me I probably should ignore that for now.
[20:03] <SandGorgon_> man.. all repositories are so slow today
[20:03] <Idespnnr> jasondt: I use virtual box at pretty fast speeds for windows
[20:04] <jasondt> yeah ive heard of that
[20:04] <jasondt> but is it like this
[20:04] <jasondt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTRsLW0eet0&feature=player_embedded
[20:04] <hagabaka> how many people are using apt-p2p?
[20:04] <EagleScreen> Dashkal: yes, ignore it until upgrade finish
[20:05] <Idespnnr> jasondt: That could be seamless RDP
[20:05] <final_frontier> got some issues with kde4
[20:05] <dli> hi
[20:05] <jasondt> yeah but it showed him booting it up
[20:05] <final_frontier> hi xD
[20:05] <dli> jsfkljfad;f
[20:05] <xjjk> hagabaka: I sort of wonder how secure that is...
[20:05] <Idespnnr> hmm
[20:06] <rolandb> Thanks, now the panel is back again :)
[20:06] <Idespnnr> at 00:35 that looks like a vista firefox
[20:06] <final_frontier> i have a giant plasmoid in my desktop, i cant close it, is there any way to dont let that plasmoid start with my account?
[20:06] <jasondt> all i know is hes running xp in linux, and i want to do that
[20:06] <Daskreech> final_frontier: you can't close it?
[20:06] <EagleScreen> final_frontier: yes there is
[20:07] <final_frontier> no, i cant close it
[20:07] <Daskreech> which plasmoid?
[20:07] <MaCEl> hello all fine linuxers and pinguiners! I finally turned away from my win2000 and chose Kubuntu (for now at least, i'm still trying it out....). I find some quirks and "bugs" in KDE/apps and need help with many issues related to linux. Am i in the right place for help?...
[20:07] <final_frontier> Folder View I think (i'm in spanish version of kde)
[20:08] <Daskreech> right click and remove folder view doesn't work?
[20:08] <final_frontier> is /home, erase home is not a good idea xD
[20:08] <Daskreech> final_frontier: I'm assuming that you are not using the flder view as your Desktop ?
[20:09] <final_frontier> Daskreech, I don't know what plasmoid is in english :S
[20:09] <hagabaka> xjjk: there are no guarantees but apt itself checks the checksums too so it would be hard to upload fake files with it
[20:09] <xjjk> hagabaka: what bugs me, where does it get the checksums from
[20:09] <EagleScreen> MaCEl: yes right place
[20:09] <Daskreech> final_frontier: Probably plasmoid :)
[20:09] <xjjk> hagabaka: from the description on the website it downloads Packages.gz/etc via P2P as well
[20:09] <MaCEl> :)
[20:09] <EagleScreen> !ask | MaCEl
[20:09] <final_frontier> Daskreech, Is that plasmoid that allows you to see folders and archives
[20:10] <erich_ds> HighHo: we've talked before. I was having problems dist-upgrading. I found out that the package gwenview was causing the problem. after uninstalling it, the dist-upgrade process is running now
[20:10] <Daskreech> final_frontier: Right and it takes up the entire desktop ? Or is it just really large?
[20:10] <MrBallZ> final_frontier: hola, un plasmoide es basicamente un " programita " que hace una funcion especifica
[20:10] <final_frontier> Daskreech, yes
[20:10] <final_frontier> MrBallz y como cierro ese en concreto xD
[20:10] <Daskreech> >_<
[20:11] <final_frontier> Daskreech, is in all the desktop
[20:11] <Daskreech> final_frontier: and you want that off?
[20:11] <MaCEl> Sometimes firefox shows me a grey screen in the place of a flash windows. but i can still hear the sound... is this only a firefox problem?
[20:11] <final_frontier> Daskreech: yes
[20:11] <MrBallZ> final_frontier: vas a posicionar el cursor en una de las orillas y va a salir una cruz roja ( tache ) y simplemente haces click y vas a cerrar el plasmoide
[20:11] <Daskreech> right click -> appearnce settings
[20:11] <erich_ds> BluesKaj: same to you, thanks for helping before, though I was not able to get any of your hints to solve the problem. It was gwenview, don't know why it was in the way
[20:11] <EagleScreen> final_frontier: Right click on desktop -> Preferencias de Apariencia -> Tipo: Escritorio
[20:11] <final_frontier> I cant click on the desktop and dont appear any red cross on the plasmoid xD
[20:11] <final_frontier> that's why im here xD
[20:12] <w-heat> I did the upgrade and it seems that I am still booting into 8.10 kernel; grub menu list has not updated
[20:12] <final_frontier> my kde version is 4.1.4
[20:13] <w-heat> any ideas? (apologies for leaving after last question; system rebooted)
[20:13] <Daskreech> final_frontier: oooh ok umm never mind then :)
[20:13] <MaCEl> another thing in the KDE panel: some icons don't render well. i only see half the icon or nothing at all...
[20:13] <final_frontier> MrBallz:no hay crucecitas rojas ni leches, es como si estubiera anclado xD
[20:14] <phoenixz> I tried using quassel for IRC but it seems that joining a channel causes quassel to use 91% CPU for about 20 seconds.. Is this normal? coz if it is, I'll stick with konversation.. :)
[20:15] <Daskreech> final_frontier: can you get to an add widgets dialog ?
[20:15] <Daskreech> phoenixz: DOubtful but quassel is new so file a bug it will get sorted out
[20:15] <final_frontier> Daskreech: No :P
[20:15] <MaCEl> i'm using kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1.2
[20:15] <MrBallZ> final_frontier: en la esquina derecha arriba del desktop, esta el manejador del plasmoide, posiciona el cursor y dime si estan " locked " osease que esten bloqueados
[20:16] <final_frontier> Daskreech: is the minimal install
[20:16] <final_frontier> MrBallZ: Basicamente no me aparece nada
[20:16] <EagleScreen> plasma-appletsrc remove ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc file and restart kde
[20:16] <phoenixz> Daskreech: talking about widgets.. upgraded 8.10 > 9.04, and I don't see any other than the basic widgets in add widgets.. I cant see the network management widget for example and since the older knetwork manager (which never really worked well anyway) is gone, I cant use wifi anymore...
[20:16] <final_frontier> MrBallZ: el susodicho plasmido lo recubre
[20:17] <Daskreech> phoenixz: there is a plasmoids package and a wallpapers package install them
[20:17] <EagleScreen> final_frontier:  remove ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc file and restart kde
[20:17] <Daskreech> A plasmathemes as well
[20:17] <hagabaka> xjjk: aren't checksums available outside Packages.gz? taht's the file containing all package data right?
[20:17] <Daskreech> EagleScreen: rename?
[20:17] <phoenixz> Daskreech: will try, thanks
[20:18] <xjjk> hagabaka: I'm not sure
[20:18] <EagleScreen> rename is better
[20:18] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: plasma-appletsrc: command not found
[20:18] <xjjk> hagabaka: I'm reading through the papers posted to see if they answer any of my questions...
[20:18] <EagleScreen> that is not a command
[20:18] <EagleScreen> it is a file
[20:19] <EagleScreen> rename it
[20:19] <MrBallZ> final_frontier: puedes ver la barra de tareas en la parte de abajo ?  ( donde aparece el menu K, la hora , fecha  etc ) ??
[20:19] <somnob> if you the 9.04 beta than the sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[20:19] <final_frontier> MrBallZ: si
[20:19] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: rm: no se puede borrar «/home/eternalsin/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc»: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[20:19] <MrBallZ> final_frontier: ok, perfecto , haz un click derecho y dime que aparece ?
[20:19] <somnob> if you have the beta 9.04 will sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[20:20] <bo0ts__> Hello everybody, just tried to upgrade to jaunty and something went wrong because I had a pretty messed up sources.list. Now I'm on a fallback sources.list and he tells me there is nothing to update.
[20:20] <bo0ts__> I suppose that's because I'm on a ubuntu fallback sources.list...
[20:20] <final_frontier> MrBallZ: editor de menu, estilo de menus, cambiar a menu clasico, opciones de panel y eliminar esta miniaplicacion
[20:20] <EagleScreen> final_frontier: are you using intrepid?
[20:20] <erich_ds> bo0ts__: what exactly was the error message?
[20:21] <bo0ts__> erich_ds: "Some packages couldnt be verified"
[20:21] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: Debian Lenny, but In debian chanel no one helped me
[20:21] <MrBallZ> final_frontier: entra en " opciones de panel " y dime que aparece ... basicamente, lo que estas buscando es " desbloquear " los " plasmoides o widgets " , para que asi puedeas cerrar el que no quieres tener ahi ...
[20:21] <bo0ts__> erich_ds: What is the official kubuntu repository right now?
[20:21] <MrBallZ> final_frontier: estas en kde 4 verdad?
[20:22] <erich_ds> bo0ts__: doesn't sound like the problem I had, but maybe these tips can help
[20:22] <final_frontier> MrBallZ: si, y sale bloquear aplicaciones xD
[20:22] <EagleScreen> oh is your kde from backports or experimental?
[20:22] <final_frontier> MrBallZ: no sale la de desbloquearlas
[20:22] <erich_ds> bo0ts__: the new official is jaunty, the previous was intrepid
[20:22] <bo0ts__> erich_ds: realy?
[20:22] <Daskreech> !es
[20:22] <erich_ds> bo0ts__: if you reboot, you might get the dist-upgrade notification again
[20:22] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: Is the stable version, i dont use experimental packages
[20:22] <MrBallZ> final_frontier mm... entonces, busca el " añadir o remover " los plasmoides y remueve el que no quieres ...
[20:22] <petra_> !kdm
[20:22] <erich_ds> bo0ts__: yes, really. why?
[20:23] <final_frontier> MrBallZ: no sale
[20:23] <bo0ts__> erich_ds: Sorry, for the sarcasm. To much time in #archlinux
[20:23] <EagleScreen> final_frontier: lenny hasn't kde 4.1 in stable repository, are you installed it from backports?
[20:23] <hagabaka> xjjk: also packages have signatures, so a fake package would cause apt to warn you at least, although that might not solve the problem of someone putting a different version of signed package
[20:23] <erich_ds> bo0ts__: ok :)
[20:23] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: Yes
[20:23] <EagleScreen> final_frontier:  remove ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc file and restart kde then
[20:24] <erich_ds> bo0ts__: also, in order to make dist-upgrade work, I had to uninstall gwenview... go figure
[20:24] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: Im gonna try it
[20:24] <Daskreech> erich_ds: Yeah it works fine after then you just install it back
[20:24] <EagleScreen> and final_frontier remember that kde 4.1 is very buggy
[20:24] <hagabaka> xjjk: but I think for its purpose it would be a basic assumption that it will check the distributed files against http
[20:25] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: Yes, but KDE4.2 is in unstable, the last time i tried it was a disaster
[20:25] <final_frontier> i will back in a moment
[20:25] <EagleScreen> final_frontier: rename in place of remove sorry
[20:25] <EagleScreen> or is it too late?
[20:25] <MaCEl> since i'm starting with linux, maybe its a good ideia to get kubuntu 9.04? or is it too buggy??
[20:25] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: I REMOVED IT!
[20:25] <EagleScreen> you will loose all your applets
[20:25] <mrniceguy1965> working with kubuntu 9.04
[20:26] <EagleScreen> set them again
[20:26] <erich_ds> Daskreech: is this a known bug about gwenview?
[20:26] <Daskreech> erich_ds: more about the gwenview package
[20:27] <MaCEl> mrniceguy1965: works well?
[20:27] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: You RLZ!!! xD
[20:27] <MaCEl> i thing KDE 4.1.2 as a few features/bugs.... :)
[20:27] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: Now all its ok!
[20:28] <Daskreech> MaCEl: You just described all software
[20:28] <final_frontier> Thaks all for your help :D
[20:28] <final_frontier> gracias a todos por su ayuda :D
[20:28] <final_frontier> Problem solved - Problema solucionado
[20:29] <bo0ts__> erich_ds: FYI I got the bastard. Apparently.
[20:29] <EagleScreen> final_frontier: go to #debian-es
[20:29] <erich_ds> bo0ts__: what is it?
[20:29] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: Ok, but before thanks for all, you really helped me
[20:30] <bo0ts__> erich_ds: I had to use a sources.list for jaunty. Even that wouldn't make the fancy gui upgrade work. But now apt-get is on the move.
[20:30] <final_frontier> EagleScreen: I used to use kubuntu and ubuntu, so some days i will be around here to help like today i've benn helped
[20:30] <Shortguy109> Hi, Does anyone know why my microphone isn't working? I've been trying to talk on skype.
[20:30] <jameson_> so my 9.10 download says it has three days to go
[20:30] <MaCEl> well: windows2000 isn't very stable buts its "pretty" enough. this icons bad rendering thing is annoying...
[20:31] <erich_ds> jameson_: wow, what mirror are you on?
[20:31] <final_frontier> goodbye and thanks for everything - adios y gracias por todo
[20:31] <final_frontier> ^^
[20:31] <erich_ds> jameson_: or is it just your connection?
[20:31] <jameson_> i honesly have no idea
[20:31] <jameson_> im just using do-release
[20:31] <Dragnslcr> jameson_- on dialup, eh?
[20:31] <MaCEl> yesterday vlc was working fine. now it crashes. i'm not used to vlc crashing in windoze! :))
[20:31] <HazaL> I miss my function button no doing anything :(
[20:32] <HighHo> !mirrors | jameson_
[20:32] <HazaL> oh wait.. i should have said my function button DOING things :)
[20:32] <HighHo> forget that, its not helpful :)
[20:32] <MaCEl> i'm shure these are only growing up pains :))
[20:32] <Shortguy109> Does anyone know why my microphone isn't working? I've been trying to talk on skype.
[20:32] <Daskreech> Shortguy109: only doesn't work on Skype?
[20:33] <Daskreech> You can change the setting in skype
[20:33] <Daskreech>  known bug
[20:33] <jameson_> it wont matter if i cancel the download from my terminal right?
[20:33] <Shortguy109> im not sure if it only doesn't work on skype
[20:33] <Shortguy109> i've only ever tried to use it on skype
[20:33] <jameson_> its not going to send my system into shock?
[20:33] <Shortguy109> oh wait, i've tried on stickam before, it doesn't work altogether :o
[20:34] <HighHo> jameson_: nope, it will be fine if its just downloading still
[20:34] <Daskreech> jameson_: the download? No
[20:34] <Shortguy109> I'm usin Kubuntu 9.04 and the microphone was working in version 8.04
[20:34] <athlonkaempfer> hi
[20:34] <athlonkaempfer> hi
[20:35] <athlonkaempfer> !de
[20:35] <MaCEl> funny: vlc crashes if i click the file on krusader but runs ok if i drag and drop the file...
[20:35] <Daskreech> Yeah I'm having issues with nautilus in Gnome like that
[20:35] <Daskreech> If i open any file from nautilus it crashes the App but if I open the app and drag it in then it works
[20:35] <Daskreech> strange
[20:36] <MaCEl> oh well: i see linux has it's "features". that's what you get with healty variety :)
[20:38] <Dragnslcr> Anybody looking for a CD label that wants to try out one I just made?
[20:38] <johan__> hoe installeer ik java :| kreeg een foutmelding in 9.04 kubuntu
[20:38] <jameson_> so can anyone tell me the biggest difference from Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[20:38] <erich_ds> jameson_: ubuntu is with gnome, kubuntu with kde...
[20:38] <Dragnslcr> !nl | johan__
[20:38] <MaCEl> i've been using microsoft since the dos days. changing to linux is like getting a new wife!! :))
[20:38] <johan__> thanks :)
[20:39] <|PaperTiger|> How long does 8.10 take to upgrade to 9.04?
[20:39] <Daskreech> MaCEl: Long as you don't start cracking about her doing what you tell her to
[20:39] <jasondt> 30 minutes
[20:39] <Daskreech> |PaperTiger|: Depends
[20:39] <hhamma> huhu
[20:39] <Daskreech> on what you have installed in 8.10 and which servers you connect to
 for me the download process is about 30 minutes. depends on the connection though. then it also takes some time to install them and reboot :-P
[20:39] <|PaperTiger|> No worries now. It's started the download now. It hadn't before.
[20:40] <MaCEl> not to mention that now i can't boot my old win2000! i have to look that up...
[20:40] <MaCEl> :))
[20:40] <|PaperTiger|> There's no FGLRX driver in 9.04?
[20:40] <johan__> java is not posible to install in new kde :| what happened??
[20:40] <Daskreech> johan__: Not possible?
[20:40] <jasondt> my java is working on 9.04
[20:41] <johan__> get problems
[20:41] <|PaperTiger|> Is there a Radeon HD driver for 9.04?
[20:41] <johan__> using sun 6.jre
[20:41] <jasondt> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:42] <eagles0513875> hey Daskreech you an op
[20:42] <almox> hi
[20:42] <sponzor> what is the difrence with dvd and cd? of kubuntu
[20:42] <Daskreech> eagles0513875: No what's up?
[20:42] <bo0ts__> sponzor: The DVD has more packages
[20:42] <Daskreech> sponzor: one is bigger?
[20:42] <sponzor> lol
[20:42] <bo0ts__> sponzor: If you use the cd u would have to download them.
[20:43] <gabriel> hi
[20:43] <Daskreech> sponzor: The DVD is both a desktop and server install and used to contain all of main
[20:43] <Daskreech> I don't know if that's still the case
[20:43] <Daskreech> |PaperTiger|: I would guess yes
[20:43] <sponzor> yes it is.. so i can install stuff by internet if i have only cd? becose download speed is bad
[20:44] <|PaperTiger|> Daskreech, 'cos I was in the middle of upgrade and it pops up saying there's no FGLRX drivers...
[20:44] <sponzor> i mean for the torrent for dvd :P
[20:44] <Daskreech> sponzor: Yes you can
[20:44] <|PaperTiger|> |PaperTiger|, so I'm going to wait 'til I'm sure there's driver support (RadeonHD or FGLRX) for my graphics card.
[20:44] <Daskreech> If you are planning on using it to install for a number of people the DVD works better
[20:44] <Daskreech> |PaperTiger|: Probably hadn't reached the install for them yet
[20:45] <sponzor> ok
[20:45] <Daskreech> sponzor: but yes anything that is on the DVD you can install
[20:45] <|PaperTiger|> Daskreech, might not have, but it said there is no fglrx, do you want to continue.
[20:45] <jasondt> how can i install bcop for compiz on ubuntu
[20:45] <Daskreech> it just has the ability to choose how you install which the CD doesn't
[20:46] <Shortguy109> Does anyone know why my microphone isn't working? I've been trying to talk on skype.
[20:46] <Dashkal> weee, knetworkmanager is not working for me.  Didn't start automatically, and when started manually did nothing when I tried to connect to my wireless.  Gnome's network manager working perfectly
[20:46] <Daskreech> !info fglrx
[20:46] <Daskreech> Ha
[20:46] <SandGorgon_> Dashkal: it means u have some drivers not installed - it happened to me on Broadcom 4312.
[20:47] <Dashkal> Um, lack of drivers?  I am using my wireless just fine from gnome
[20:47] <Dashkal> also, knetworkmanager sees the network just fine in the list, it simply won't connect (it doesn't even change icons to indicate that it's trying)
[20:47] <bigos> hi
[20:48] <SandGorgon_> Dashkal: exactly what happened to me
[20:48] <SandGorgon_> Dashkal: i installed b43-fwcutter to solve it
[20:48] <bigos> two questions: 1. are repositories working slow at the time, or is it my connection?
[20:48] <genii> !info fglrx-installer jaunty
[20:48] <yaa_> DID U DOWLOAD 9.04?? THEN GO DO IT!!
[20:48] <Dashkal> I have no idea what I'm using anymore
[20:48] <genii> Hm
[20:49] <SandGorgon_> bigos: very slow!
[20:49] <Dashkal> Still, lack of drivers makes no sense.  This is a new issue (only after updating to 9.04) and only in kde
[20:49] <bigos> 2. what could it be, when my kubuntu doesnt see my wifi card?
[20:49] <EagleScreen> 9.04 will give us several problems
[20:49] <bigos> SandGorgon_: then i'm relivied ;)
[20:50] <SandGorgon_> KDE for me - Gnome for the wifey (all because there aint wanda the fish in KDE!)
[20:50] <acr0nym> why do you prefer kde so much?
[20:50] <Daskreech> \o/ it rocks
[20:50] <acr0nym> ok and now some good arguments :)
[20:50] <SandGorgon_> gotta work on QT anyways
[20:51] <Daskreech> SandGorgon_: You can make one pretty easy in plasma
[20:51] <Shortguy109> Does anyone know why my microphone isn't working? I've been trying to talk on skype.
[20:52] <SandGorgon_> Daskreech: oh... maybe i will sometime
[20:52] <SandGorgon_> Shortguy109: see if it isnt muted
[20:52] <Shortguy109> SandGorgon_: how do u do that :o
[20:53] <SandGorgon_> i just hope ext4 doesnt croak on me with delayed allocation crap
[20:53] <mu-tu> does anyone know how to decrease the quality of a .pdf file so that it becomes smaller?
[20:55] <SandGorgon_> Shortguy109: alsamixer -c 0 - check if any of the "mic" has "MM" below it (that means mute). if yes, go to the column and type M to unmute it and up arrow to increase volume
[20:55] <Daskreech> !info xorg-driver-fglrx | |PaperTiger|
[20:55] <Shortguy109> SandGorgon_: so i type: alsamixer -c 0
[20:55] <Shortguy109> ?
[20:57] <Shortguy109> SandGorgon_: something was on mm and i pressed m and changed it
[20:57] <robinr> anyone upgrades to 9.04 on a Dell Latitude D830 and running happily?
[20:57] <SandGorgon_> Shortguy109: Here's some help I found online - http://sandeep.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/skype-on-kde-42-and-ubuntu-intrepid/
[20:58] <Shortguy109> thanks
[20:58] <SandGorgon_> Shortguy109: did it work?
[20:58] <Shortguy109> not yet
[21:00] <bigos> what do i need to do, to configure wireless connection via console? i've got interface up and running, i set the essid and tried do run dhclient, but it failed. the network is not broadcasting, and there is no encryption (just mac filter)
[21:00] <bigos> am i forgetting something?
[21:00] <WAndre> does anyone care of a crash of ubiquity while installing Jaunty?
[21:01] <Shortguy109> In “Configure channels”, select “Mic as output”, “Capture 1″, “Capture 2″
[21:01] <Shortguy109> it doesn't show mic as output
[21:01] <Daskreech> WAndre: When?
[21:01] <WAndre> Daskreech: while copying files
[21:01] <SandGorgon_> Shortguy109: it should be a column with the icon of a mic on top
[21:02] <WAndre> I kept my /usr/local partion which already contained a man directory
[21:02] <Daskreech> WAndre: Try it again and see if it crashes at the same spot. CD could be bad
[21:02] <Shortguy109> i don't see a mic icon :o
[21:02] <SandGorgon_> WAndre: select the option of "Check CD for defects" at the install screen
[21:03] <WAndre> Daskreech: now I'm trying with reformatting /usr/local
[21:03] <SandGorgon_> Shortguy109: hmm... ur card doesnt have that option then. go ahead and do the rest
[21:03] <WAndre> SandGorgon_: I verified the CD while burning the image
[21:04] <Daskreech> !staff > eagles0513875
[21:06] <Dashkal> strange.  it's working, and I have no idea why... this is so going to bite me tomorrow when I have to start this PC up again
[21:06] <Shortguy109> what's kbuildsycoca4
[21:07] <SandGorgon_> Shortguy109: in case of install/uninstall it updates the icons on your main menu
[21:07] <ubuntu_> Heloo;]
[21:07] <WAndre> Daskreech: SandGorgon_: seems to work now (with reformatting /usr/local), BTW just crashing without any message isn't nice :-(
[21:07] <Shortguy109> oh well it said to run it for this
[21:07] <romullo> hello
[21:08] <eraserhead_> hi, how do i set task manager to show only the windows on one desktop at a time?
[21:08] <romullo> where i can download the kubuntu 9.04 kde 3 remix?
[21:08] <theuser1> i am trying to ssh making my pc as the server and as the client. i use dsl through a router (modem) . i give my internet ip in ssh -v ip . can any one guidE?
[21:08] <Shortguy109> still doesn't work :(
[21:08] <romullo> or upgrade online
[21:08] <theuser1> i am trying to ssh making my pc as the server and as the client. i use dsl through a router (modem) . its stuck on  Connecting to 119.152.52.13 [119.152.52.13] port 22..i give my internet ip in ssh -v ip . can any one guidE?
[21:09] <Z_God> how do I get the KDE3 desktop in an existing jaunty install?
[21:09] <Daskreech> romullo: Final relelase is being out out tomorrow
[21:09] <Daskreech> !kde3
[21:09] <romullo> Daskreech: ok, thanks :)
[21:09] <Z_God> !kde
[21:09] <Z_God> !kde3
[21:09] <romullo> oO
[21:09] <Daskreech> Z_God: See http://kubuntu.org
[21:09] <Dragnslcr> eraserhead- right-click the task manager and go to Settings
[21:09] <Z_God> hmm, seems the info is outdated
[21:09] <Daskreech> Yeah I'm taking care of it
[21:10] <Z_God> yeah, I looked through the pages, but can't seem to find what metapackage to install for kde3
[21:10] <Daskreech> !kde3 > kb9vqf
[21:10] <Dragnslcr> theuser1- that didn't make a whole lot of sense. "making my pc as the server and as the client" would imply trying to ssh to localhost
[21:11] <brad__> Hey
[21:11] <brad__> Has anyone upgraded to 9.04 yet?
[21:11] <JB_> hi
[21:11] <Dragnslcr> brad__- nope, nobody at all
[21:11] <eraserhead_> hi, how do i set task manager to show only the windows on one desktop at a time?
[21:12] <brad__> Have you guys had problems with plasma and 9.04
[21:12] <Dragnslcr> eraserhead- by doing what I told you to do
[21:12] <Daskreech> eraserhead_: from the task amanger settings
[21:12] <theuser1> Dragnslcr: it works for localhost but not for the internet ip
[21:12] <theuser1> why
[21:12] <eraserhead_> Daskreech: thanks!
[21:12] <brad__> anyone?
[21:13] <Dragnslcr> theuser1- could be quite a few different things, depending on how your network is setup
[21:13] <Dragnslcr> theuser1- sshd might not be listening on the IP address you're trying, the IP address might not be routed to your PC, there could be a firewall blocking it
[21:13] <brad__> The taskbar in plasma doesnt work, and the whole system is incredibly slow :/
[21:14] <JB_> I have a problem with the wireless on gnome to connect but on the KDE its fine 9.04
[21:15] <brad__> Looks like noone is having the same problem as me :(
[21:15] <yaa_> I have a problem with the wireless on gnome to connect but on the KDE its fine 9.04 ------------everybody does
[21:15] <Daskreech> brad__: What do you mean doesn't work?
[21:15] <brad__> Fine for me on gnome
[21:15] <joshjtl_> I'm having lock up problems... don't know why but it requires reboot
[21:16] <brad__> Doesnt display any windows
[21:16] <JB_> pkay so its not just me
[21:16] <brad__> Everything is screwed up
[21:16] <brad__> and the system is really slow
[21:16] <Z_God> is there a special repository with the KDE3 debs?
[21:17] <Mac42DO> Bluetooth still not working in Jaunty...
[21:18] <joshjtl_> anyone give me a hand pls? Im getting lockups, and dont know why
[21:18] <Arminius> hello
[21:18] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_>: did you look at the processes? top?
[21:18] <Arminius> is the update to jaunty recommended or still to early?
[21:19] <Arminius> ;)
[21:19] <Mac42DO> Arminius: Still testing :-D
[21:19] <Z_God> it broke my system completely
[21:19] <brad__> Same here
[21:19] <Arminius> ok ;)
[21:19] <brad__> I thought it was the release :(
[21:19] <Mac42DO> Jaunty works well here
[21:19] <Dashkal> why must nothing allow me to configure which wallet to use?  Network settings?  Go ahead and use no password.  Everything else?  I'd like to use one.  Too much to ask?
[21:19] <brad__> I thought it would work
[21:19] <Arminius> I prefer not to update yet :p
[21:19] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: no I was just surfing web or something and it locked up... not sure i could look at processes if it locks up
[21:20] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_> oh, complete lock ups, ok... that seems a problem, can you connect with ssh?
[21:20] <theuser1> Dragnslcr: i allowed port 22 in firestarter. here my router page http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5324/33646583.jpg
[21:20] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: you mean connect to the locked up machine via ssh?
[21:21] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_>: Yes.
[21:21] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: I dont know... Ive never done that before
[21:21] <brad__> Im gonna see if I can fix KDE
[21:21] <brad__> Really annoying...
[21:21] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_>: Sometimes only KDE is locked up an Linux is still running
[21:22] <x-trem> hi!
[21:22] <x-trem> i have little problem...
[21:22] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: well I was able to press the power button and the machine shutdown... it didnt show boot splash but it shut down
[21:22] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_>: That means nothing ^^
[21:23] <x-trem> when i try to boot kubuntu 9.04 the booting process blocks in Starting Bluethoot
[21:23] <x-trem> i waited for 10min
[21:23] <x-trem> but nothing
[21:23] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: can you recommend anything?
[21:24] <Mac42DO> Can someone confirme, that bluetooth with KDE 4.2 and Jaunty is still brogen?
[21:24] <Mac42DO> brokn
[21:24] <Mac42DO> broken
[21:24] <joshjtl_> btw this happened when jaunty was still beta, i had to go back to intrepid... but i did figure out that downgrading kernel fixed the issue
[21:25] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_>: Do you want to find out, why there are lock ups, and are you able to use Linux on the shell? Otherwise I recommend a new install.
[21:25] <x-trem> is there some command that disable bluethoot, because i don't any device wich use bluethoot
[21:26] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: a new install shouldnt make a difference seeing that this exact thing happened when i had beta jaunty installed...
[21:26] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: I would yes like to find out why
[21:26] <Mac42DO> x-trem: use the programm rcconf to disable the startup of the bluetooth-daemon
[21:27] <theuser1> Dragnslcr: its working on 192.168.1.4
[21:27] <x-trem> please, i'm new on linux, how can i access to the shell before "starting" linux?
[21:27] <Dragnslcr> theuser1- I would guess that it's a routing or firewall issue then
[21:27] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_>: Then the first thing is to try to connect with ssh and look if Linux is running. If yes, you can restart kde by typing /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[21:27] <Mac42DO> as root
[21:28] <theuser1> Dragnslcr:how can it be diagnosed
[21:28] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: ok and then what?
[21:28] <theuser1> Dragnslcr: http://pastebin.com/m2f7fffdb
[21:29] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_>: you have to look at the log files in /var/log  and do a dmesg command, so you can see the error maeeages, like segfaults
[21:29] <Mac42DO> messages
[21:30] <blight_> congrats on the new release which is even more fucked up than the last, thanks to KDE4....
[21:30] <blight_> where do i change the color theme?
[21:30] <blight_> i have 3 or 4 settings menus all more or less empty
[21:30] <Pici> blight_: Can you please mind your language here?
[21:30] <blight_> sry.... i expected more from the new release......
[21:31] <D3vil_> hi @ all
[21:31] <blight_> my color theme is totally fucked up where do i change it?
[21:31] <eraserhead> hi, i'm sick of all the passwords in kde. how do i deactivate them?
[21:32] <blight_> eraserhead: get KDE 3.5 it rules
[21:32] <j04hu5> hola alguien habla español
[21:32] <D3vil_> someone using (K)ubuntu on a HP Pavilion DV5 ?
[21:32] <eraserhead> it is the same in kde 3.5
[21:32] <blight_> man.... the decision for KDE4 was the WORST one the devs could have made..... and they made it.......
[21:32] <j04hu5> hola alguien habla español
[21:33] <joshjtl_> how do i find out what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel i have installed?
[21:33]  * D3vil_ will switching from Vista 2 (K)ubuntu but will me Notebook work prefectly then?
[21:33] <eraserhead> hi, i'm sick of all the passwords in kde. how do i deactivate them?
[21:34] <D3vil_> me = my
[21:34] <Z_God> eraserhead: create a wallet without a password
[21:35] <brano_> hi pls if I chose to update to kubuntu jaunty 9.04 from intrepid will it update also my KDE automatically from 4.1.4 to 4.2.2 ? or I will have stil 4.1.4 after update?
[21:35] <zoiss> it updates to 4.2.2
[21:35] <brano_> thx a lot ;-)
[21:35] <zoiss> np:]
[21:36] <brano_> [:
[21:36] <zoiss> i upgraded to 9.04 and everything looks fine until now. now the kpackagekit replaces adept. when i open kpackagekit it doesnt show any installed packages -> so isnt it a full replacement for adept#?
[21:37] <zoiss> or just a wront configuration?
[21:37] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_: dpkg -l '*intel*'
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> if you set the filters to either "show installed" or "show not installed" you can sort of work around that
[21:37] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO:  any idea where I might look for an unreleased updated version of this package?
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> it will show you full lists of the packages you do/do not have installed
[21:38] <avihayb> zoiss: I havn't apgreaded yet, but I havn't been able to adept to adept
[21:38] <avihayb> *upgreaded
[21:38] <Shortguy109> instead of typing gksudo gedit /etc/esound/esd.conf into the terminal what else could it type in? cuz gksudo doesn't work
[21:39] <avihayb> I always use apt- get from consoule or synaptic for gui and lot's of data
[21:39] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_: Sorry, no. I have the expereince, that the intel drivers are working very well.
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> Shortguy109: replace gksudo with kdesudo
[21:39] <Shortguy109> okay thanks :)
[21:39] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: they are for some
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> Shortguy109: probably you want kdesudo kate instead of gksudo gedit
[21:40] <Shortguy109> oh okay thanks
[21:40] <avihayb> Mac42DO: what intel card did you "test" on?
[21:40] <Shortguy109> it worked :) thx very much
[21:40] <zoiss> JontheEchidna: thx for the answer. but it doesnt show anything unless i search for some special package ...thats usual?
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> zoiss: I think if you leave it blank, then search, then it will list things
[21:41] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_: it was i8... something, i had to administer some systems using this driver, and they all worked finde with kde 4
[21:41] <Mac42DO> fine
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> but I don't think that a "list all packages" mode has really been implemented
[21:41] <MaCEl> how do i change the icon for an extension? (i want *.m3u to have a different icon than *.mp3)
[21:42] <joshjtl_> Mac42DO: there is a bug with this driver for certain machines... launchpad
[21:42] <zoiss> ok but adept can now be removed?
[21:42] <zoiss> a list of installed packages would be useful though
[21:42] <Mac42DO> joshjtl_: And did you find errormessages pointing to a problem with the intel driver?
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> zoiss: If you want, I suppose. You have to use the same filter workaround in adept though
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> (since 3.o)
[21:44] <sonne> Hi, can anyone send me the torrent file for kubuntu 9.04 64bit please ?
[21:45] <JB_> Im updating it there are 6 security updates
[21:45] <zoiss> sorry JontheEchidna im very new to linux and im not very used to things. when i install packages with kpackagekit ...adept will also recognize it?
[21:45] <JB_> get it from the ubuntu website
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> zoiss: yes,
[21:46] <zoiss> ok thank you very much
[21:46] <avihayb> zoiss: yes, yhey bouth use the same central database
[21:46] <zoiss> ok so would there be any reasons to stay with adept?
[21:46] <zoiss> i think the integration with kpackagekit is better?
[21:46] <brad82> Would be good if it didnt run so slow
[21:47] <brad82> Actually
[21:47] <JB_> sonne: you can find it from the ubuntu website or download it directly
[21:47] <avihayb> I vote for synaptic, but you are free to pick
[21:47] <brad82> I wonder if it is compiz
[21:47] <zoiss> hm synaptic was uninstalled with the upgrade i think
[21:48] <brad82> Is anyone else having problems with slowness
[21:48] <brad82> Nope
[21:48] <brad82> Synaptic is there for me
[21:48] <zoiss> weird
[21:48] <avihayb> just reinstall it if it's missing
[21:49] <zoiss> yes i could do ...but actually dont understand right now which package manger is the "best".
[21:49] <zoiss> or where the differences are
[21:49] <brad82> Its odd because firefox and XChat run at normal speed
[21:49] <brad82> but everything else is really slow
[21:49] <Guest55223> Hello!
[21:49] <brad82> I would use synaptic mate
[21:49] <Guest55223> anybody?
[21:50] <brad82> hello guest55223
[21:50] <zoiss> brad82: are there more/better sources to get packages from? or why do think its better?
[21:50] <Guest55223> Nice to meet you,guys
[21:50] <brad82> I just find its better at getting what you want with the search than the likes of adept etc
[21:51] <avihayb> well sinaptic dosn't have the search by tags thing I saw in adapt, but it is realy stright forword, list all packages, let you filter by installed packages, and, well, it's easy to use if you are clueless, and it gives you some advanced options if you start digging
[21:51] <brad82> yeah
[21:51] <avihayb> forward
[21:51] <zoiss> ok thanks for the opinions
[21:51] <zoiss> trying to get some tools now:]
[21:51] <brad82> gah
[21:52] <brad82> this slowness is really annoying me
[21:52] <brad82> I may have to start using....
[21:52] <brad82> GNOME
[21:53] <avihayb> ahhhhh!
[21:55] <JB_> g
[21:56] <avihayb> no chance an MSI laptop user is around and has upgraded, right? and I don't mean one of the tiny ones...
[21:58] <zoiss> have to bother you guys another time, sorry: im trying to get the tool octave. when i am looking for octave in kpackagekit it show alot of pluggins and stuff ...is there a way to just find the main tool?
[21:58] <Dragnslcr> !info octave
[21:58] <zoiss> oh
[22:00] <Dragnslcr> zoiss- KPackageKit lists the packages in alphabetical order. Look down near the bottom and you'll see something like octave3.0
[22:01] <zoiss> shame on me... thanks mate
[22:02] <Dragnslcr> Heh, no problem
[22:02] <Dragnslcr> It's a huge improvement over the disaster that was Adept's search in KDE4
[22:03] <zoiss> didnt gain to much experience with adept, was just installing kubuntu last week.  so i have still some noob-problems:]
[22:03] <avihayb> Adept had a search feture? I though that when you hit the button, it rolls some dice in the background...
[22:04] <zoiss> hehe
[22:04] <Dragnslcr> Nah, Adept's search wasn't nearly that accurate
[22:04] <avihayb> *feature
[22:04] <Dragnslcr> The KDE3 version was good. The KDE4 version was just terrible
[22:06] <zoiss> i thought KDE is just something like a GUI
[22:07] <zoiss> still have to read a lot in my big linux book;]
[22:07] <avihayb> do you want the full explenation zoiss?
[22:07] <zoiss> then you would just forward me to a webpage i guess;]
[22:08] <Dragnslcr> zoiss- yeah, but obviously different versions of KDE (and the programs that are part of it) are different
[22:08] <Dragnslcr> The KDE3 version of Adept was good, and the KDE4 version of Adept wasn't so good
[22:08] <avihayb> well, I don't know where to refer you but I can give you a quick insight, plus a few minor spelling mistakes
[22:09] <zoiss> for me - as a windows noob - its hard to understand
[22:09] <greatgib> true! Kde3 version of adept was very good,
[22:09] <greatgib> and it's hard to understand what did them do a so bad kde 4 version
[22:10] <avihayb> well, the longest I've been able to use adept "3" before I got fustrated and left, was about 5 min or so. I havn't been able to keep adept "4" for more then 40 sec
[22:11] <zoiss> what i thought was: when something like KDE is upgraded ...its just something like a newer/extendes list of features ...new libraries or something ...soo its hard to understand for me why it is a big differenc, when it comes to a new version
[22:11] <zoiss> istn it just like some portation?
[22:12] <zoiss> *porting
[22:12] <zoiss> avihayb: i you wouldnt mind ...a short dialog would be appreciated very much
[22:12] <zoiss> *if
[22:12] <avihayb> not realy, KDE is first and formost, a window manager... ok, I'll start from the top
[22:14] <avihayb> In linux, there is the kernel, it talks to the hardware, it dose lot's of things, the windows counterpart is the windows kernel. you don't get to talk to it much by yourself, on both OSs
[22:15] <zoiss> yes
[22:15] <zoiss> the basic os
[22:16] <darkenergy> in linux you can look in /proc. windows has no view into the kernel, ironically.
[22:16] <avihayb> once the kernel is up and runing, it runs a few shells. ubuntu used to run BASH, now it's runing something lighter
[22:17] <avihayb> it also runs x-windows (xorg or xfree86)
[22:17] <bigjocker> is it me or ubuntu servers are slow as hell when updating?
[22:18] <avihayb> that gives you the functunality you get in windows when the explorer.exe is not runing
[22:18] <zoiss> for me servers were ok
[22:18] <avihayb> *process
[22:18] <zoiss> x-windows is for the graphical interface
[22:18] <zoiss> ?
[22:18] <avihayb> yes
[22:19] <zoiss> and other hidden shells are for driver management and stuff?
[22:19] <avihayb> that is, it draws a background for you, and if there are open windows, it shows them to you
[22:20] <avihayb> no, you can do whatever you like with them
[22:20] <zoiss> strg+alt+f1:]
[22:21] <zoiss> so KDE or GNOME is jsut a set of tools on base of the kernel
[22:22] <avihayb> on top of x-windows, you like to run a window manager, like KDE, or Gnome, or XFCE, it's more ore less the equivelent of explorer.exe
[22:22] <zoiss> ok
[22:22] <avihayb> it draws the taskbar for you, manages the windows's decorations and the likes
[22:24] <zoiss> and then there are different distributes to work with these basics
[22:25] <Dragnslcr> Distributions, you mean? Like Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, etc.?
[22:25] <zoiss> yes sir
[22:25] <eraserhead_> hi, which program do you use to MSN videoconference? thanks
[22:25] <avihayb> actualy, kde, and gnome, also give your programs some support libraries to work with. that's why kde oriented apps have theyre special look and feel while gnome apps have theyre own
[22:26] <zoiss> ok
[22:27] <zoiss> but KDE4 is not compatible with KDE3 tools?
[22:27] <PhilRod> eraserhead_: kopete has support for it I think
[22:27] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, distributions basically just take everything (Linux kernel, KDE, Gnome, bunch of other software like Apache) and put it together into an easy-to-use CD
[22:27] <Dragnslcr> KDE3 programs will work fine in KDE4
[22:27] <Dragnslcr> They just might not look like they quite fit
[22:27] <bigjocker> is there a konversation like IRC client for KDE 4.2.2? quassel sux
[22:28] <bigjocker> and konversation L&F looks kind of weird
[22:28] <bigos> hmm... is it possible to watch local movies using remote player via ssh? ;>
[22:29] <zoiss> so a lot of peopllle build there own linux
[22:29] <avihayb> kde4 is built from the ground up with out a relation to kde3 (there is a better expression to say this, but it eludes me) in order to let you run kde3 programs, kde4 needs the kde3 support libraries
[22:30] <eraserhead_> How do i turn on MSN video conference in Kopete?!
[22:30] <eraserhead_> thanks
[22:31] <zoiss> ok so its just like windows95 programms for vista:]}
[22:32] <avihayb> eraserhead_: I don't think you can
[22:32] <avihayb> kopete doesn't implement it, as far as I know. but there is a program called aMSN that has preatti much all of MSN's fetures
[22:32] <eraserhead_> avihayb: but it has configuration for the cam
[22:32] <avihayb> dosn't support right to left languges as it should tough
[22:33] <avihayb> realy? I'm going to check...
[22:33] <avihayb> humm,
[22:35] <zoiss> thanks for the explaination avihayb
[22:35] <zoiss> helps a lot to underttand some basic things
[22:36] <avihayb> it's not 100% accurate, but it gives the right mental picture
[22:36] <zoiss> yes
[22:37] <Fanfare> Q:in Jaunty options to modules still go in /etc/modprobe.d/options? or options.conf? or where else?
[22:38] <bo0ts__> Fanfare: Wild guess. According to the Ubuntu doctrine: "Just diverge as much a possible from standards." they go where you least expect them to go.
[22:38] <bigos> ;D
[22:38] <kulit> hi
[22:38] <kulit> can some1 read my msg?
[22:38] <bigos> yes
[22:39] <kulit> oh...really..lol
[22:39] <bigjocker> kulit, no
[22:39] <zoiss> :D
[22:39] <kulit> just downloaded this thing
[22:39] <kulit> i dont know wat it is though
[22:39] <bigos> you mean the irc client?
[22:39] <bigos> it's a program to chat with people over the internet ;)
[22:40] <bigos> it was invented when computers didnt know colors and stuff
[22:40] <kulit> i heard bout irc like 10 yrs ago
[22:40] <kulit> but i didnt that this is the one
[22:41] <kulit> its actually a program in my laptop
[22:41] <kulit> just tried installing it
[22:41] <avihayb> this is just one of many
[22:41] <kulit> k
[22:41] <bigos> not really... it's combinantion of programs on your local machine and servers in the vast abyss of Teh Internetz
[22:41] <kulit> k
[22:42] <kulit> coz im tryin to look for installer on how to use the webcam on my YM
[22:42] <avihayb> do you know the camera's module name?
[22:43] <kulit> i dont know..my laptop is asus eeepc
[22:43] <kulit> and im using kubuntu
[22:44] <kulit> everytime i tried my cam in my YM it says install jasperr
[22:44] <kulit> jasper
[22:44] <avihayb> well, are you tring to use it in a program and it doesn't work?
[22:45] <avihayb> !jasper
[22:45] <drbobb> hello, the statusbar at the bottom of my konq windows is gone - is anyone else seeing this bug?
[22:45] <avihayb> bahh
[22:45] <kulit> but with my skype the cam is fine
[22:46] <afeijo> I'm trying to watch a DVD disk, I installed mplayer, but the video play with hicop
[22:46] <afeijo> what can I do to fix it?
[22:46] <avihayb> so, what's the YM?
[22:46] <avihayb> Yahoo messanger?
[22:46] <kulit> yup
[22:47] <afeijo> what is this?  AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: Connection refused
[22:47] <RizR> got a lingering issue with firefox-flash-plugin on ubuntu. it doesn't play youtube on fullscreen. just opens the vid in slightly bigger size and makes rest of the screen black. anyone?
[22:48] <kulit> i used to have the ubuntu and i didnt likke it
[22:48] <kulit> now i used kubuntu and its better than ubuntu
[22:48] <RizR> when i said ubuntu i mean *ubuntu
[22:49] <kulit> my only issue is the webcam in yahoo messenger
[22:49] <avihayb> from http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-979599.html:
[22:49] <avihayb> A good Yahoo alternative is Kopete - which does support Web cams (so long as you get jasper as well), including inbuilt web cams (well it works on my laptop).
[22:49] <avihayb> Not sure if Kopete does voice though, I have never used it.
[22:49] <kulit> i using  kopete
[22:50] <kulit> how did u install jasper?
[22:50] <avihayb> afeijo, in MPlayer's settings, try to pick a different audio output (as in, not pulse audio)
[22:50] <jmichaelx> i would recommend GYachE improved, it supports yahoo chat rooms, voice, webcams, etc., but I do not believe it is in the ubuntu repos. you'll have to google it and download the .debs
[22:50] <theuser1> can anyone ssh to 116.71.186.12 my pc. to check its working , accepting connections or not
[22:50] <theuser1> can anyone ssh to 116.71.186.12 my pc. to check its working , accepting connections or not?
[22:51] <kulit> k
[22:51] <bigos> theuser1: it is working
[22:51] <kulit> r u using it?
[22:52] <theuser1> bigos: can you show me the mesages when you ssh ?
[22:52] <afeijo> avihayb: wow, thats a lot of options
[22:52] <avihayb> theuser1: I can get through
[22:52] <theuser1> kulit:  when i type ssh 116.71.186.12           it stucks on connecting
[22:52] <avihayb> afeijo: try als first, then oss and esd
[22:53] <avihayb> als-> ALSA
[22:53] <kulit> wat r u trying to doTheuser1?
[22:53] <avihayb> a
[22:53] <avihayb> vihayb@Avi2:~$ ssh a@116.71.186.12
[22:53] <biopotz> so what do you guys say? should I do the upgrade?
[22:53] <NickPresta> theuser1: I connect and it asks me for my password
[22:53] <drbobb> omg, why does synaptic look so ugly on my kubuntu system
[22:53] <avihayb> The authenticity of host '116.71.186.12 (116.71.186.12)' can't be established.
[22:53] <avihayb> RSA key fingerprint is fe:00:7b:6b:e3:7a:51:d8:a3:ee:6c:89:e1:e8:44:4e.
[22:53] <avihayb> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
[22:54] <theuser1> bigos:  why its stuck for me at    Connecting to 116.71.186.12 [116.71.186.12] port 22.
[22:54] <kevin___> how can i set my default window decorations to emerald
[22:54] <bigos> is that your localhost?
[22:54] <afeijo> avihayb: its a bit better, but the image are slow and squared
[22:54] <bigos> theuser1: maybe something in your iptables?
[22:54] <bigos> try to ping this ip
[22:54] <genii> theuser1: A paste of ssh -vv for you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/156791/
[22:55] <avihayb> afeijo: you can try a different output module, tough, I think it picked the best already
[22:55] <theuser1> its pinging
[22:55] <genii> theuser1: Likely your router doesn't like martians
[22:55] <theuser1> genii: why its not working for me.  iam using the same pc as ther server is
[22:55] <avihayb> but you have many alternatives to MPlyer, some of them may be better: Kaffein, VLC ...
[22:55] <theuser1> genii:  martians?
[22:56] <genii> theuser1:use 127.0.0.1 then instead of the internet IP
[22:56] <theuser1> genii: ya it works on that
[22:56] <afeijo> avihayb: you mean the video driver?
[22:56] <avihayb> afeijo: nope, I ment an output module
[22:57] <kulit> avi....how did u install jasper?
[22:57] <avihayb> or a program
[22:57] <genii> theuser1: "martians" are when your internal computer goes out to the internet to find a computer which is back on the same side as the router. The router thinks someone is trying to spoof into your network
[22:57] <theuser1> genii: some thing to do with nat?
[22:57] <genii> theuser1: No
[22:57] <theuser1> hm
[22:57] <avihayb> kulit: I didn't, I don't use it. did you try to install it useing the package manager?
[22:58] <kulit> i was looking for it but cudnt find it
[22:58] <theuser1> ok genii do you have ssh ? can i log in . or attempt to log in to you for testing ?
[22:59] <bigos> theuser1: did you try 127.0.0.1? that should help
[22:59] <genii> theuser1: At this address I don't have any ssh server
[22:59] <kulit> anyway...il try to look for jasper...wish me luck
[22:59] <kulit> lol
[22:59] <genii> theuser1: However I'll PM you something to try
[22:59] <kulit> gtg..have a nice day guys...bye
[23:01] <theuser1> genii: ssh: Could not resolve hostname sal**************44: Name or service not known
[23:02] <genii> theuser1: I responded already in PM
[23:02] <theuser1> genii: got it
[23:02] <theuser1> works good\
[23:03] <theuser1> genii: how to block an ip if i ssh gets 5 wrong attempts for a password?
[23:03] <genii> theuser1: You will be able to ssh out to whatev boxes. You will be able to ssh in from another external place to your internal box. You just won't be able to ssh from inside your network out to the internet and back into a box there because your router thinks this is an attack on it
[23:04] <genii> theuser1: There is a utility for that, but i forget the exact name right now
[23:04] <theuser1> genii: ok
[23:04] <theuser1> ok
[23:05] <Dragnslcr> !info fail2ban
[23:05] <Dragnslcr> theuser1- pretty sure that's what you want
[23:05] <henry_BR> what is the difference between kubuntu desktop and kubuntu DVD (i saw it in kubuntu download page)
[23:06] <Dragnslcr> I think the DVD just has more packages
[23:06] <theuser1> denyhosts is good too?
[23:06] <Dragnslcr> If you use the CD, you can install everything that's on the DVD, it'll just have to fetch the packages over the Internet instead of using the disc
[23:07] <henry_BR> Dragnslcr: hummm
[23:08] <Dragnslcr> I usually use the DVD, since I have a DVD burner and enough bandwidth to download the disc image in less than a day
[23:09] <theuser1> Dragnslcr: fail2ban will auto work for ssh ?
[23:09] <henry_BR> Dragnslcr: but dvd install programs automatically? that cd dont isntall? or the kubuntu installed by cd and dvd is the same?
[23:09] <Dragnslcr> theuser1- it works with sshd, yes
[23:10] <Dragnslcr> theuser1- you may need to configure it some
[23:10] <theuser1> ok
[23:10] <Dragnslcr> henry_BR- pretty sure the end result is the same
[23:11] <Dragnslcr> Might take less time to install from the DVD since it doesn't have to download as much during the install
[23:11] <Dragnslcr> But of course download the DVD image takes a lot longer
[23:20] <Simon99> Has anyone any ideas how to updrade Kubuntu without burning iso to a CD?
[23:20] <Siegfried_> !update
[23:21] <Siegfried_> Simon99 there you have some infos
[23:21] <Siegfried_> !dsl
[23:21] <Simon99> Thanks Siegfried, I'll look there now.  I may be back.
[23:21] <Siegfried_> yw
[23:24] <drbobb> i've logged out/in, switched my widget theme etc but still the konqueror statusbar is missing
[23:24] <avihayb> http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html
[23:24] <avihayb> cd image...
[23:28] <SwampThing> boredom
[23:36] <Guest73621> hey how do I update kubuntu to the latest?
[23:36] <ofv> !update
[23:36] <reese> hi! after upgrading to 9.04 i cannot start amarok.. it gives me a blank main window and it crashes.. in 8.10 i was using 1.4.9 instead of 2. here is what i get from command line http://pastebin.com/m60f5e905
[23:38] <Guest73621> ofv: I don't thin kthat applies to kubuntu...
[23:38] <Guest73621> my update manager doens't even look like that...
[23:38] <Dragnslcr> Guest73621- read the release announcement on the site (link is in the topic)
[23:39] <jenda> ahoj pomuze mi nekdo?
[23:40] <jenda> hello can someone give me a small support?
[23:40] <jenda> I've uprgrade my uubuntu with kde 9.0.4.
[23:40] <bigos> jenda: what's the problem?
[23:41] <jenda> bigos: I've lost knetworkmanager
[23:41] <jenda> and I don't know ho to connect with wifi
[23:41] <jenda> I'm linux newbie :-)
[23:41] <jenda> before was small icon of world after each startup
[23:41] <bigos> ok, click on the kde logo in the bottom-left corner
[23:41] <jenda> ok
[23:41] <bigos> then , choose computer
[23:41] <bigos> and system settings
[23:42] <jenda> ok
[23:42] <bigos> there you should be able to see "network settings"
[23:42] <jenda> yes
[23:42] <jenda> I've been there aleady
[23:42] <jenda> network setting
[23:42] <shock_day13> hey fellows how can i install adept package manager in kubuntu 9.04?
[23:42] <xjjk> bigos, jenda: AFAIK, you sound as if you're missing the networkmanager plasma applet
[23:43] <shock_day13> this k package kit sucks
[23:43] <bigos> jenda: did you see "network management" tab?
[23:43] <jenda> yes it, here
[23:43] <jenda> it's here
[23:43] <xjjk> jenda: just to make sure, do you have the network manager plasma applet added
[23:44] <bigos> xjjk: is that required to connect with wifi? i dont think so, but i dont know
[23:44] <xjjk> bigos: yes, I think
[23:44] <jenda> I dont'have network manager plasma
[23:44] <xjjk> jenda: add it
[23:44] <jenda> or I don't know where to find it out
[23:44] <HighHo> jenda you may prefer to make your wireless start at boot (or as xjjk states for kde4 its now the network manager plasma applet)
[23:44] <jenda> how?
[23:44] <xjjk> jenda: the upgrade process won't modify your ~ settings for you
[23:45] <HighHo> !wireless | jenda
[23:45] <Dragnslcr> shock_day13- there's probably still an adept package, but I don't know why you'd want it. KDE4's Adept is horrible
[23:45] <xjjk> jenda: if you want the applet on your taskbar
[23:46] <xjjk> right click on the taskbar, add applet
[23:46] <xjjk> search for network
[23:46] <xjjk> it's somewhere there
[23:46] <drbobb> Dragnslcr: could it actually be worse than kpackagekit
[23:46] <Dragnslcr> drbobb- considering how broken the search is, yes
[23:47] <johnnypea> hello I have just installed kubuntu and it is amazing :) please, how can I install ati drivers - what is the esiest way
[23:47] <drbobb> Dragnslcr: broken, as in - doesn't work?
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> It works, for certain values of "works"
[23:47] <xjjk> johnnypea: look up "envyng-qt"
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> There's no way to search by package name, so you tend to get a lot of completely unrelated packages
[23:48] <drbobb> well, back to command-line apt then
[23:48] <Dragnslcr> xjjk- never use envy. It tends to break things
[23:48] <johnnypea> xjjk: sorry, where to look up?
[23:48] <Dragnslcr> !ati | johnnypea
[23:48] <xjjk> Dragnslcr: I've not used it exclusively...
[23:48] <xjjk> Dragnslcr: worked well enough for me; what was wrong with it?
[23:48] <HighHo> !envy
[23:48] <Dragnslcr> xjjk- it tends to create pretty severe package conflicts
[23:49] <xjjk> Dragnslcr: hrm
[23:50] <johnnypea> there are the "Instructions for Kubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy)" can I use that?
[23:51] <xjjk> johnnypea: the instructiosn for ubuntu 8.04should work...
[23:51] <HighHo> !fglrx
[23:52] <programaths> quit
[23:54] <Simon99> I have downloaded and mounted the ISO image.  My CD Writer is bust.  I want to upgrade using the mounted ISO image. The instructions on the (K)Ubuntu Forums say that after mounting the ISO, run kdesudo "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade".  There is no "cdromupgrade" on the ISO.  Can anyone help?
[23:55] <Simon99> I should have said: I'm upgrading 8.10 to 9.04
[23:55] <agoole> is there something wrong with the installer for 9,04 ? i couldn't specify ext4
[23:57] <PhoenixFFX> Hey all
[23:57] <kanonmat_> i have a "cdromupgrade" its in the root directory of the cdrom
[23:58] <kanonmat_> not in a "/cdrom" folder
[23:58] <PhoenixFFX> I have a problem: I can't access to my wireless with my Kubuntu 9.04
[23:58] <agoole> ugh
[23:58] <agoole> seems like jaunty was a mistake after all
[23:58] <xjjk> agoole: not sure if the ext4 option is in the graphical installer.. it is in alternate/text
[23:58] <johnnypea> big THX to all ;)
[23:58] <notriddle> kanonmat: Okay. It seems like a documentation mistake.\
[23:58] <agoole> xjjk: I tried opening up the advanced, and the menu was just blank
[23:59] <xjjk> agoole: in alternate/text?
[23:59] <agoole> xjjk: i booted once with alternate, and didn't see it....maybe i'm just stupid
[23:59] <agoole> guess i'll stick to ext3 for now
[23:59] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX:  Are you aware of the changes in the way wireless is configured as compared to Intrepid?
[23:59] <xjjk> agoole: it's there... I installed with it