[00:10] <spiv> barry: it's bug 354036
[00:11] <spiv> barry: nosmart+ is a workaround, but the root cause isn't a bug in the smart network code, it's actually a bug in stacking revealed by the smart network code.  See the bug for details and workarounds and a repair script.
[00:20] <barry> spiv: thanks
[01:07] <mrooney> Is there any way to get a rough estimate on how many people are using a PPA I own?
[01:08] <lifeless> not presently
[01:08] <lifeless> oh, yes  - break it badly and wait for complaints
[01:10] <mrooney> lifeless: it is possible though I imagine right? Is it something planned in the future?
[01:12] <mrooney> It could be pretty useful for figuring out where to prioritizing putting fixes and figuring out if the number of people using it is sufficient QA
[01:12] <mwhudson> download counters are planned
[01:13] <mwhudson> and i think will arrive fairly soon -- not sure about that bit though
[01:13] <spm> as mwhudson says. check the soyuz milestones - it should be in there somewhere...
[02:28] <barry> spm: ping
[02:28] <barry> spm: unping
[03:04] <vladc> Hi, I'm getting a "This account cannot be used" message when trying to log on to launchpad. any ideas how to fix this?
[03:05] <wgrant> Hmm, the help contact looks like an emdash today. That's a bit odd.
[03:05] <wgrant> I wonder if that means that your account has been suspended.
[03:06] <vladc> wgrant: How would I find out?
[03:08] <wgrant> vladc: I have no idea. The other instances of that I have seen have actually been Launchpad bugs. Hopefully somebody more knowledgable will answer.
[03:09] <vladc> wgrant: Aha, thanks for your help.
[03:25] <vladc> OK, I figured it out - I needed to "claim" the account.
[04:09] <cprofitt> hello all... is there a procedure for deleting a team and a project?
[04:09] <MTecknology> what is malone?
[04:09] <wgrant> MTecknology: Launchpad Bugs.
[04:10] <wgrant> cprofitt: Ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[04:12] <cprofitt> wgrant, thanks
[05:52] <pragad7> hello
[05:55] <pragad7> having problems with ubuntu ibex just installed one day ago. at one time screen went black whenever i clicked on screen black rectangles appeared on screen. then i created new user account and logged in and it was ok but cannot enable desktoop effects . my graphics card is intel 945g
[05:55] <wgrant> pragad7: This isn't the right channel. YOu want #ubuntu.
[05:55] <pragad7> wgrant no one has any clue over there
[05:56] <wgrant> pragad7: This channel has very little to do with Ubuntu.
[05:56] <pragad7> ant other place i could get help
[05:56] <pragad7> any other place???
[05:56] <wgrant> pragad7: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addquestion
[05:57] <pragad7> thanks wgrant
[09:40] <mdz> intellectronica: can you give me a hint as to how to use .searchTasks to get only bug tasks for packages in main?
[09:40] <mdz> intellectronica: a naive component='main' errors out
[09:41] <wgrant> mdz: Maybe try putting it in a list?
[09:44] <mdz> wgrant: same result: launchpadlib.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
[09:44] <mdz> the API doc just describes it as "Component" :-/
[09:45] <wgrant> mdz: Try catching the exception and check the 'content' attribute of the exception.
[09:46] <mdz> wgrant: component: "main" is not a valid URI.
[09:47] <mdz> I looked on the distro object to see if it provided components, but I don't see them
[09:47] <wgrant> mdz: Niiice. I don't know how to traverse to components.
[09:48] <wgrant> Everything else just exposes components as strings.
[09:48]  * wgrant pokes around.
[09:52] <wgrant> mdz: I can't work out the URL for a component :( I wonder if they're not actually able to be traversed to yet.
[09:52] <mdz> wgrant: I don't know how to find them in the web UI either
[09:52] <wgrant> mdz: They're certainly not accessible there.
[09:52] <mdz> the upload privileges for components seem to be hung off the distribution
[09:53] <wgrant> Right.
[09:53] <wgrant> This is where source access is useful.
[09:56] <mdz> wgrant: in this case it's "knowledge about where to get the source and how to find things in it" more so than source access ;-)
[09:56] <wgrant> mdz: The first is easy, but the latter is true.
[09:56] <mdz> wgrant: bzr branch lp:launchpad?
[09:57] <wgrant> mdz: Exactly.
[09:57] <mdz> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:launchpad": Launchpad itself has no default branch.
[09:57] <wgrant> Ah.
[09:57] <beuno> right
[09:57] <wgrant> lp:~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel
[09:57] <beuno> it's a private project
[09:57] <jml> we'll open source it later :)
[09:57] <wgrant> jml: s/it/part of it/
[10:01] <intellectronica> mdz, wgrant: looks like it's a bug. you're supposed to pass a list of component objects, but there's no way to reference a component object
[10:01] <bigjools> components are only strings
[10:01] <bigjools> intellectronica: ^
[10:01] <bigjools> don't expose the object
[10:01] <wgrant> Intriguing.
[10:01] <mdz> bigjools: <launchpad> component: "main" is not a valid URI.
[10:01] <wgrant> Ah.
[10:01] <mdz> bigjools: (invoking searchTasks)
[10:02] <bigjools> the object is pretty worthless on its own, which is why everything is a string
[10:02] <intellectronica> bigjools: right, but the api needs to know how to coerce strings to our internal representation
[10:02] <bigjools> intellectronica: I expose different properties/params/functions
[10:03] <bigjools> intellectronica: I guess searchTasks wasn't tested :)
[10:05] <bigjools> intellectronica: the meme I use is "component_name"
[10:08] <intellectronica> bigjools: how did you know :)
[10:12] <intellectronica> mdz, wgrant, bigjools: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/365449
[10:12] <wgrant> /win/win 19
[10:12] <wgrant> Gr.
[10:42] <matti> Hello folks, anyone from Launchpad team on duty in here? :)
[10:43] <noodles775> Hi matti, flacosta will be around later, but there's plenty of people around to be able to help in the mean time...
[10:44] <matti> Hi noodles775 :)
[10:45] <intellectronica> matti: ask your question, maybe someone will be able to help
[10:46] <matti> noodles775: I just need somebody to change an e-mail address associated with my account as the server is dead and I can't reset my password as the Launchpad wants to send token to this not working any more server :)
[10:46] <intellectronica> matti: maybe mthaddon_ can help you
[10:47] <matti> :)
[10:47] <mthaddon_> matti: please ask a question on LP - this way we can verify your LP account and track the request
[10:47] <matti> Aye.
[10:47] <matti> Where exactly on LP?
[10:49] <matti> I can send an e-mail to feedback@launchpad.net, would that be sufficient?
[10:49] <wgrant> mthaddon_: Note that he wants it for a password reset...
[10:49] <matti> Heheh.
[10:49] <mthaddon_> matti: oh, you can't login?
[10:49] <matti> No, I can't :)
[10:50] <mthaddon_> matti: yeah, feedback@launchpad.net is the way to go then, thx
[10:50] <matti> :)
[10:52] <mthaddon_> matti: so you've forgotten your password _and_ your email address doesn't work any more?
[10:53] <matti> Yes.
[10:53] <matti> I am not even sure if my account is still valid.
[10:53] <matti> It was a long time since I used it.
[10:53] <matti> ;]
[10:53] <mthaddon_> matti: hmm, seems like it'd be best to just create a new account in that case - but anyway, someone will respond to feedback@launchpad.net and let you know
[10:54] <matti> mthaddon_: Granted. I shall look into this.
[10:54] <matti> mthaddon_: Could you do me a favour then and lookup upon "matti@startrek.pl" and check if this account is still in the system - so to speak.
[10:54] <matti> ;]
[10:55] <matti> mthaddon: I need my account back in order to report some annoying suspended issues back to the kernel team :)
[10:56] <mthaddon> matti: don't see an account with that email associated
[10:57] <matti> mthaddon: Do they expire after some period of time?
[10:57] <matti> mthaddon: I can recall using my account back in the 2006 :)
[10:58] <mthaddon> matti: are you sure it was that email address - they typically don't expire
[10:58] <mthaddon> matti: do you remember the username?
[10:58] <matti> I can make a bet it was "matti" :)
[10:59] <matti> 10/02/2006
[10:59] <matti> fromThe Launchpad Team <noreply@launchpad.net>
[10:59] <matti> tonyyarusso: matti@startrek.pl
[10:59] <matti> subjectLaunchpad Account Creation Instructions
[10:59] <matti> So it was the e-mail in question.
[10:59] <matti> As far as I can see.
[10:59] <matti> ;]
[11:00] <mthaddon> well we definitely don't have that email addres in the system now, so maybe it was changed after the fact
[11:00] <mthaddon> see PM
[11:00] <matti> Can you look upon OpenPGP public keys?
[11:00] <matti> PM?
[11:00] <mthaddon> private message
[11:00] <henninge_> jtv1, ping
[11:01] <jtv1> henninge_: pong
[11:01] <matti> mthaddon: I don't see any query window.
[11:01] <matti> ;]
[11:01] <henninge> jtv, I am on screen freeze right now ...
[11:01] <jtv> henninge: oh nice
[11:01] <henninge> jtv, so I am using xchat from that unspeakable OS currently ...
[11:02] <jtv> henninge: zOS?  I find that a bit awkward to pronounce, but pretty cool
[11:02] <henninge> jtv, xchat for windows seems to have problems with SSL connections so I cannot connect to the internal server ...
[11:02] <jtv> henninge: ah
[11:02] <mthaddon> matti: what's your GPG key id?
[11:03] <mthaddon> matti: I can see your PM, but I have a feeling you can't see mine
[11:03] <jtv> henninge: and I've got plenty other stuff to do anyway... maybe we can postpone the call for an hour and a half?
[11:04] <matti> mthaddon: /umode -CE; please, try now.
[11:04] <matti> Got it.
[11:04] <matti> ;]
[11:05] <henninge> jtv, fine by me
[11:05] <jtv> henninge: ack
[11:05] <jtv> and good luck
[11:05] <jtv> I know it hurts
[11:06] <henninge> jtv, can you ask pitti to join here, please, so I can ask him something?
[11:06] <jtv> henninge: as a man at the tail end of several months of dental surgery, I know how you feel as a man in front of a Windows screen
[11:06] <jtv> sure
[11:07] <pitti> hello guys
[11:08] <wgrant> This can't bode well...
[14:51] <ahasenack> hi guys, I get an OOPS when searching for a bug reporter with an accent in his name: OOPS-1209G1180
[14:56] <intellectronica> ahasenack: did you file a bug, or find an existing one?
[15:03] <ahasenack> intellectronica: didn't file one, nor did I search for one
[15:04] <intellectronica> ahasenack: feel like? it will help a lot with tracking this :)
[15:04] <ahasenack> intellectronica: LP feels slow today, but I'll do it later :)
[15:05] <intellectronica> ahasenack: thanks
[15:05] <intellectronica> (in advance)
[15:09] <mdz> intellectronica: is there a fast way to check whether a given bug was filed by a particular person?  I'd like to do this without lots of round trips to the server, but b.owner seems to go to the server
[15:10] <mdz> I'm iterating over a large list of bugs and want to sort them into buckets according to the team memberships of the people who reported them
[15:10] <mdz> >>> b.owner # long delay
[15:11] <mdz> >>> mdz
[15:11] <mdz> <person at https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/~mdz>
[15:11] <mdz> >>> b.owner is mdz
[15:11] <mdz> False
[15:11] <mdz> er:
[15:11] <mdz> >>> b.owner
[15:11] <mdz> <person at https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/~mdz>
[15:11] <mdz> >>> mdz
[15:11] <mdz> <person at https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/~mdz>
[15:11] <mdz> >>> b.owner is mdz
[15:11] <mdz> False
[15:11] <intellectronica> mdz: there's a hack: b.owner goes and fetches owner, but since you only want to compare it, you can look at the representation of the bug and compare the URI of own to the URI of the person you want to compare. let me fond out how you can get that representation
[15:11] <mdz> so the object identities don't compare
[15:11] <mdz> intellectronica: it would be great if the 'is' operator would do that transparently for me
[15:12] <mdz> or ==
[15:13] <intellectronica> mdz: yeah, that would be very useful. leonardr would know how easy it is to implement that in launchpadlib
[15:15] <leonardr> intellectronica, mdz: bug 264098
[15:15] <mdz> ubottu: :-(
[15:15] <intellectronica> ouch
[15:15] <matti> Hm.
[15:15] <matti> LP is suddelny very slow.
[15:16] <intellectronica> yeah, noticed that!
[15:16] <matti> Ops.
[15:16] <matti> "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server."
[15:16] <intellectronica> mdz: bug.owner_link == mdz.self_link
[15:16] <intellectronica> matti: URL?
[15:16] <matti> intellectronica: https://launchpad.net/~motu
[15:16] <mdz> >>> b.owner_link == mdz.self_link
[15:16] <mdz> True
[15:16] <mdz> intellectronica: thanks!
[15:17] <mdz> 9.04 release overload?
[15:17] <matti> mdz: Perhaps :)
[15:17] <mdz> intellectronica: ah, Keybuk is initializing karmic
[15:17] <mdz> I think that drags down the database a bit
[15:17] <matti> mdz: I can imagine that hundreds of folks is trying to get new version at the moment.
[15:18] <matti> mdz: Oh, does it affects the database? If somebody is downloading?
[15:18] <mdz> matti: no, we're doing the setup to open karmic
[15:18] <matti> Oh. I see :)
[15:22] <drink> launchpad asplode? https://launchpad.net/bugs/315907 gives please try again
[15:22] <nphase> just FYI - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/drizzle/+spec/code-cleanup-sprintf/+login can't log log in
[15:22] <nphase> aha
[15:23] <drink> I sure hope that people clicking irc links isn't the only mechanism for finding out that launchpad is down
[15:23] <tsimpson> teh tubez r clogged
[15:23] <nphase> apparently i'm not ze only one :)
[15:26] <rootski> launchpad down?
[15:26] <craig> Hi everyone, is launchpad down at the moment for maintenance or otherwise? Can't seem the resolve the DNS
[15:27] <matti> craig: DNS is fine.
[15:27] <rootski> Seems to be back Craig
[15:27]  * craig refreshes
[15:27] <matti> craig: Whatever is affecting LP at the moment shouldn't really affect the DNS.
[15:27] <rootski> but slower :)
[15:27] <matti> ;]
[15:27] <craig> Ah yes, back but v. slow. Is maintenance occuring or just a bit of server trouble?
[15:28] <rootski> It's handing out polite messages to try again in a few minutes :)
[15:28] <tsimpson> I'd guess the Canonical datacenter is being hammered
[15:28] <barmymatt> https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ is struggling... and directed me here
[15:28] <tsimpson> insanely hammered
[15:28] <craig> IS a new Ubuntu RC out or something?
[15:28] <tsimpson> like a mad man with an electric hammer
[15:29] <yann2> www.ubuntu.com surprisingly fast
[15:29] <matti> craig: 9.04
[15:29] <rootski> aha
[15:29] <craig> Ohh it's due out today?
[15:29] <matti> craig: Today
[15:29] <rootski> *gulp*... better take the rest of the day off then
[15:29] <craig> Haha yes, my thoughts exactly
[15:29] <matti> I can imagine that a lot of folks don't use torrents really.
[15:29] <matti> ;/
[15:29] <pssc> I guess with borkage noone can prod the mirror checker
[15:29] <tsimpson> craig: released about an hour ago
[15:29] <yann2> matti > I am seeding x86 desktop and amd64 server... people do use them :)
[15:29] <rootski> it started laggin about 5 minutes ago
[15:30] <matti> yann2: Same here.
[15:30] <rootski> wonder what changed?
[15:30] <matti> yann2: No peers.
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> i see everyone is experiencing the lag
[15:30] <yann2> https://eshu.ubuntu-eu.org/munin/ubuntu-eu.org/mwari.html#Network
[15:30] <tsimpson> well there are probably thousands of concurrent downloads to canonical servers atm
[15:30] <craig> Shame the launchpad servers are also being hammered. Had a full day set out to carry out bug resolution... oh well! Guess I'll upgrade to 9.04 whilst I wait ;)
[15:30] <matti> Heheh
[15:30] <matti> craig: :D
[15:30] <craig> :P
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> I was on about launchpad answers
[15:30] <rootski> this a regular occurance on launchpad? just moved a project here.
[15:31] <fitelpater> is launchpad down ?
[15:31] <craig> I don't think so. A new Ubuntu release is a pretty big deal. Lots of people hammering the servers atm
[15:31] <wgrant> rootski: No, this is fortunately very rare.
[15:31] <rootski> wgrant: phew :)
[15:31] <fitelpater> I can't download image-writer
[15:32] <wgrant> mdz: This can't be normal, even for new distroseries initialisation.
[15:32] <craig> I'd try again in an ahour or so. Doubtful they'll have the servers back up before then considering the amount of attention the new Ubuntu release is getting...
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> fitelpater: its just hiddeously slow
[15:32] <JuniorSlimShadyK> ubuntu 9.04 torrent?
[15:32] <matti> Please.
[15:32] <matti> DON'T PANIC :)
[15:32]  * craig panics!
[15:32] <matti> Hahaha.
[15:33]  * matti shakes raig! Put yourself together!
[15:33] <matti> :D
[15:33] <craig> I'ts actually quite funny how dependant I've become on launchpad in less than 3 days haha...
[15:33] <matti> s/raig/craig/
[15:33] <JuniorSlimShadyK> plis give me ubuntu 9.04 torrent
[15:33] <intellectronica> wgrant: apparently it's not, after all, karmic init, but simply the whole world going wild over the jaunty release
[15:33] <intellectronica> they can't get enough ubuntu :)
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> people need to chillax
[15:33] <craig> Ubuntu is great after all. Such an ease to setup and use...
[15:34] <pssc> either that or not enough mirrors where synced....
[15:34] <barmymatt> torrents here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[15:34] <wgrant> intellectronica: Hmm, I thought for previous releases LP was on another connection, so was unaffected.
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> craig: could say that about many linuxes
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> craig: as well as pcbsd
[15:34] <craig> Yup I like OpenSUSE too... but I don't know... once you catch Ubuntu-fever
[15:34] <matti> Impressive actually.
[15:35] <intellectronica> wgrant: well, to be more accurate, we don't really know yet what's going on. correlation != causation, of course
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> craig: wait until you get gentoo fever, thats lotsa fun
[15:35] <matti> I wonder if apt-p2p will do its job.
[15:35] <craig> Haha Gentoo was my first linux love :P Compiling openoffice for hours was fun.
[15:35] <matti> It suppose to aid when people do the upgrade.
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> craig: i dont use it, too bloated. I use abiword
[15:36] <craig> I'm kinda glad I upgraded to the RC early now... just needed to do a quick dist-upgrade to get the the full release. 10Mb ftw!
[15:37] <craig> Yeah OpenOffice is kinda bloated... I prefer Office 2007 :$
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> yuck
[15:37] <craig> I know I shouldn't but its interface is so efficient...
[15:37] <yann2> craig > well... i regretted using the RC because I got #362359 .. but it's still here after the release :(
[15:37] <craig> makes life that much easier. OpenOffice with ribbon interface would be heaven
[15:37] <kieran> launchpad is broken?
[15:37] <craig> I'd check what the butg is but unfortunately.... launchpad problems :P
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> kieran: seems laggy for me too
[15:38] <matti> kieran: No. Only very busy.
[15:38] <xiaohui> I cannot access it too
[15:38] <craig> yann2, What is bug #362359
[15:38] <matti> kieran: 9.04 was launched +/- two hours ago.
[15:38] <yann2> craig > I just realised it was very stupid to mention the bug as launchpad's down :)
[15:38] <Steppzor> Hello. im trying to DL Win32 Disk Imaged but i it sais it cant.. and can someone point me to another DL location?:) thanx
[15:38] <kieran> i forgot
[15:38] <craig> @yann2 hehe :)
[15:38] <yann2> btw the date launchpad will be opensource is coming closer, when is it exactly?
[15:38] <kieran> ta
[15:39] <persia> Steppzor, I don't know if that is mirrored anywhere, sorry.
[15:39] <intellectronica> yann2: late july
[15:39] <Steppzor> :( damn :P
[15:39] <intellectronica> Steppzor: ?
[15:39] <Pegasus_RPG> Are there issues with the LP bug server ATM?
[15:39] <craig> Yep :)
[15:39] <craig> Running a tad slow at the moment...
[15:39] <Pegasus_RPG> k, just checking
[15:39] <Pegasus_RPG> thanks
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> Pegasus_RPG: i have that too, i'd try later
[15:40] <Steppzor> intellectronica: Win32 Disk Imager.. trying do download but cant.. so looking for another mirror to DL.
[15:40] <matti> Pegasus_RPG: LP is very busy due to new release launch :)
[15:40] <Pegasus_RPG> ah
[15:40] <rootski> can someone change the welcome message to this channel to note that LP is getting spannered ?
[15:40] <craig> Handy -> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/launchpad.net
[15:41] <craig> Although that says its up... don't lie to me website!
[15:41] <NCommander> Steppzor, I have a copy of the 0.2 prototype release of the Win32 image writer. If you don't mind experimental software, you can use that
[15:41] <Ursinha> we're working on it
[15:41] <Steppzor> I dont mind :P send it over?:)
[15:42] <rootski> Ursinha: thanks! ...
[15:42] <NCommander> Steppzor,  http://people.ubuntu.com/~mcasadevall/win32diskimager-RELEASE-0.2-r20-win32.zip
[15:42] <Steppzor> Thanx mate :)
[15:42] <benste> does the "launchpad is down" affect ubuntu updates?
[15:43] <craig> Umm shouldn't do. Different servers afaik
[15:43] <persia> benste, It oughtn't, no.  Slowness there is due solely to upgrade pressure.
[15:43] <craig> Although with the amount of traffic being generated at the moment they might also be effected
[15:44] <benste> It's really strange all was fine during alpha beta and RC with 9.04 but now with stable release it went buggy and launchpad is down when I have ussues :-)
[15:44] <craig> I guess a lot of people just like to upgrade once it's fuly released. After all, no one likes the possibility of a buggy OS. Although some of us like to live on the edge ;)
[15:45] <craig> Does that mean it's back up Ursinha? :)
[15:45] <Ursinha> craig, oh yeah! :)
[15:46] <craig> ahasenack, nice!
[15:46]  * craig refreshes
[15:46] <craig> Aha* rather... shouldn't of really pressed tab there. Sorry ahasenack hehe.
[15:47] <TresEquis> I'm still timing out on a reload
[15:47] <Ursinha> craig, we're having some issues
[15:47] <Ursinha> let me change the topic again
[15:47] <Peng_> Awesome, thanks for being down. I need to leave, but I wanted to check a few things on LP before going, but now it's impossible! :)
[15:47] <craig> Yeah still a bit slow and connection is a bit sporadic ...
[15:47] <Peng_> Damn, it's up.
[15:48] <Peng_> Well, anyway, the checking took less time than writing all that. :P See ya!
[15:49] <craig> Well it's loading alright... albeit veeeeeeeeery slowly. Better than nothing though :)
[15:49] <craig> Hmmm... the bazaar uplaods appear to be running fine. Just the launchpad site itself.
[15:56] <mdz> API is working fine too
[15:57] <craigth> Once you merge a branch does it disappear from the code branch views on launchpad?
[15:57] <craigth> Or simply have it status set to branched or similar?
[15:58] <craigth> g/branched/merged
[16:00] <craigth> Looks like the servers are gradually getting back to normal....
[16:06] <TresEquis> craigth: I'm still timing out
[16:09] <ripps> Is it just me, or is Launchpad.net being really slow? Probably being hammered due to Jaunty release.
[16:10] <rockstar> ripps, see topic
[16:10] <jacksparrow> hey guys
[16:10] <jacksparrow> can you reach launchpad.net?
[16:10] <Ursinha> jacksparrow, /topic
[16:11] <jacksparrow> sry
[16:11] <jacksparrow> btw I love launchpad :-D
[16:12] <Ursinha> :)
[16:12] <craigth> Who doesn't!
[16:12] <craigth> I only found it 3 days ago and now I feel like my project depends on it :P
[16:12] <jacksparrow> I'm member since 4 days or so and I love it :D
[16:13] <craigth> Heh.
[16:13] <jacksparrow> found bugs that I know too and reported some others
[16:13] <jacksparrow> and today tested the bazaar thing, great
[16:13] <craigth> I managed to load a whole page! In 10 minutes total... but stil la whole page!
[16:14] <BasicXP> Hello, everybody! Why can't I connect to Launchpad? Tried on few computers.
[16:15] <craigth> Ubuntu Jaunty release is hammering the servers it seems, including launchpad's
[16:16] <jacksparrow> is it out?
[16:16] <jacksparrow> BasicXP: topic!
[16:17] <craigth> Yep!
[16:17] <jacksparrow> since?
[16:17] <craigth> Was release a few hours ago afaik
[16:17] <jacksparrow> lol
[16:17] <craigth> s/release/released
[16:17] <jacksparrow> okay, so now we know the reaseon
[16:17] <pssc> can anyone prod the mirrorchecker on lauchpad
[16:17] <craigth> Maybe... as intellectronica said earlier, correlation != causation :)
[16:18] <jacksparrow> [17:18] <mint3> jacksparrow, today, few hours ago.
[16:18] <jacksparrow> lol, yes but this is a clear one
[16:18] <craigth> Could be a seperate bug that just happened to occur that same time as the Jaunty release, although it seems unlikey :)
[16:18] <jacksparrow> but why is launchpad so affected by it?
[16:18] <jacksparrow> I mean, the downloads don't run over launchpad do they?
[16:19] <jacksparrow> ubuntu has no bzr repos or something like that on launchpad
[16:19] <fatmike> hi
[16:19] <fatmike> the shipit site is not responsive
[16:19] <craigth> Well ubuntu releases and launchpad are both located on the Canonical servers afaik, so maybe thats the reason
[16:19] <pssc> jacksparrow: SAN exaustion?
[16:20] <fatmike> hmm
[16:20] <fatmike> all should use torrents for downloading distros
[16:20] <jacksparrow> SAN=?
[16:20] <jacksparrow> yeah torrents are the future
[16:21] <craigth> Yeah, that would help. But this happens every Ubuntu release, atleast for the shipit sites etc. Not sure about launchpad since I've only just started using it.
[16:21] <fatmike> but the daeth for music and film industry ;)
[16:21] <craigth> ...as we know it
[16:21] <fatmike> right!
[16:21] <craigth> Less dieing more... adapting
[16:21] <craigth> Forced or not :P
[16:22] <brad__> Is anyone else having problems with the ubuntu shipit server?
[16:22] <fatmike> yeppa
[16:22] <craigth> Hollywood spew out crap these days anyway. All rehashes of the same old movies but now with brand new explosions!
[16:22] <fatmike> unfortunately
[16:22] <brad__> Aww
[16:22] <brad__> Wanted to order some official CD's
[16:22] <craigth> Heh.
[16:23] <fatmike> what about these piratebay guys...will they be arrested?
[16:23] <jacksparrow> it is really difficult to verify if a movie torrent really contains the movie
[16:23] <brad__> They have been convicted
[16:23] <craigth> They've been convicted fatmike
[16:23] <Ursinha> jacksparrow, talking about piracy at Freenode is not appreciated
[16:23] <jacksparrow> sorry it's not actually about piracy, but about legal aspects of torrents
[16:23] <yann2> about piratebay http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/23/1159216&art_pos=4
[16:23] <craigth> Althouh according to social media sites like digg the case might be thrown out and a retrail done. Apparently the PB lawyer was accused of bias
[16:24] <fatmike> comeon, this server is called FREEnode
[16:24] <jacksparrow> piratebay is more about piracy ;)
[16:24] <fatmike> we don't give manuals for illegal things
[16:24] <brad__> Well
[16:24] <jacksparrow> but for FREE ones :)
[16:24] <brad__> Piratebay does have some free torrents
[16:24] <brad__> opensource stuff
[16:24] <yann2> fatmike > actually I am thinking of putting the torrent files to seed archaeological data from my company on piratebay :)
[16:24] <jacksparrow> really?
[16:24] <jacksparrow> lol
[16:25] <Ursinha> lol
[16:25] <craigth> I agree with the verdict though. What they were doing was illegal afterall.
[16:25] <fatmike> :)
[16:25] <brad__> Well
[16:25] <brad__> Im gonna upgrade to kubuntu 9.04
[16:25] <jacksparrow> have you upgraded to 9.04 yet?
[16:25] <brad__> Gonna do it now
[16:25] <jacksparrow> how?
[16:25] <yann2> I did \o/ and seeding the torrents at 30mbps :)
[16:25] <jacksparrow> reinstall?
[16:25] <brad__> Just got the auto updater popup
[16:26] <jacksparrow> I aint got one
[16:26] <fatmike> i'll try the netbook remix on my eee1000h
[16:26] <fatmike> as soon as i get home
[16:26] <jacksparrow> which command do you use to upgrade?
[16:26] <jacksparrow> instead of reinstalling?
[16:26] <brad__> Not sure
[16:26] <brad__> google?
[16:26] <jacksparrow> there is one I suppose
[16:26] <jacksparrow> why not
[16:26] <fatmike> but i wanna receive a cd via ship for the desktop version
[16:26] <cparker> I just submitted an answer on Launchpad Answers and I received the "Please try again" message. If I reload this page when things are back online, does anyone know if my answer will be posted? It took a while to type it up and I don't want to lose it.
[16:26] <brad__> probably sudo upgrade
[16:27] <craigth> cparker, what browser are you using?
[16:27] <fatmike> hmm i don't think so, cparker
[16:27] <jacksparrow> when you go back you still have it in your form don't you?
[16:27] <cparker> craigth: Firefox
[16:27] <fatmike> you have to 'try again' means 'type again'
[16:27] <craigth> If you're using firefox, clicking back usually brigns back all your form info since its cached
[16:28] <craigth> Usually anyway...
[16:28] <cparker> Okay. I didn't want to click back and risk losing everything... Thanks.
[16:28]  * craigth hopes he isn't wrong
[16:28] <fatmike> tell us if it worked cparker
[16:28] <cparker> Okay, it worked. It was properly cached.
[16:28] <cparker> Thanks.
[16:28] <kiko> cparker, if you reload it and repost it won't lost your post, btw
[16:28] <craigth> Phew. Dodged a bullet there :P
[16:28] <cparker> LOL
[16:29] <noodlesgc> I am having the same issue as cparker
[16:29] <craigth> I could see the metaphorical pitchforks being raised if I was wrong about that heh.
[16:29] <jacksparrow> craigth, what project are you working on?
[16:29] <craigth> http://launchpad.net/qtip
[16:29] <jacksparrow> lol.. meaning?
[16:29] <craigth> Woops! Probably best not to link to launchpad _lol_!
[16:29] <fatmike> *g
[16:29] <craigth> http://craigsworks.com/projects/qtip
[16:30] <fatmike> hope they will fix this issue soon
[16:30] <craigth> jQuery tooltip plugin :)
[16:30] <mrevell> Edge seems to be working better -- https://edge.launchpad.net
[16:30] <jacksparrow> has this something to do with ajax?
[16:31] <craigth> It has AJAX functionality in it yeah. Less AJAX more dynamic content
[16:31] <craigth> Good demonstration: http://craigsworks.com/projects/qtip/demos/content/loading
[16:32] <jacksparrow> wow, cool
[16:32] <jacksparrow> did you start it from scratch?
[16:32] <craigth> Yup :)
[16:32] <fatmike> very cool indeed
[16:32] <jacksparrow> do you like owls? ;)
[16:32] <fatmike> does it only work with jquery?
[16:32] <craigth> Yeah purely a jQuery plugin.
[16:32] <craigth> And I do!
[16:33] <jacksparrow> lol
[16:33] <craigth> Such majestic creatures... symbol of intelligence afterall.
[16:33] <jacksparrow> are you doing webdesign things for a longer time?
[16:33] <craigth> Around 4 years give or take
[16:33] <jacksparrow> k
[16:34] <craigth> What about you jacksparrow, what's your project?
[16:34] <jacksparrow> nice gfx on the page
[16:34] <craigth> Why thankyou :)
[16:34] <jacksparrow> my project? well, I'm not active in a project
[16:35] <craigth> Ah I see, just helping out on launchpad itself reporting bugs etc?
[16:35] <jacksparrow> until now.. yes
[16:36] <jacksparrow> I'd like to work on an open source project but I'm actually a too worse C coder
[16:36] <fatmike> i'll have to go
[16:36] <fatmike> happy installing the jackalope
[16:36] <craigth> Have fun fatmike :)
[16:36] <fatmike> bye
[16:36] <craigth> What's your primary coding expertise?
[16:37] <Toaster> mh...
[16:37] <jacksparrow> php
[16:37] <luxos> alguien conoce de jabber
[16:37] <cparker> craigth: Very nice site there.
[16:37] <craigth> Thanks cparker :) Appreciated.
[16:37] <luxos> NO FUNCIONA MI JABBER
[16:38] <cparker> craigth: You do all of the design, coding, CSS, everything yourself?
[16:38] <Ursinha> luxos, what can we do for you?
[16:38] <craigth> Still needs some work on the demos section heh. Got a few moreto stick up once the RC is released... if launchpad ever gets back up I can start resolving some bugs.
[16:38] <craigth> cparker, yep :)
[16:38] <jacksparrow> what are you using for the gfx?
[16:39] <jacksparrow> like for the space wallpaper?
[16:39] <craigth> Photoshop :)
[16:39] <craigth> I think Idid the space wallpaper in the GIMP actually, but that was a while ago.
[16:39] <cparker> I'm envious. I've been developing for the Web for close to 10 years, and I still don't have an eye for design all that much.
[16:40] <Extend> launchpad is down ????
[16:40] <craigth> Extend, /topic
[16:40] <jacksparrow> I think know how to design is a talent
[16:40] <Extend> craigth, thanks
[16:41] <craigth> cparker, Wow 10 years, a long time! I'm much more a client-side programmer / designer. I know a few backend languages but I much prefer to be designing, messing with JS etc.
[16:41] <craigth> What's your primary area of development cparker ?
[16:41] <craigth> jacksparrow, yeah it definitely is something thats difficult to simply pick up. Have to work on it for a long time to get semi-decent at it.
[16:42] <craigth> I find sketching really helps... nothing beats a good ole' pencil and paper
[16:43] <jacksparrow> I was never good at drawing things.. I prefer playing an instrument
[16:43] <jacksparrow> but I'd like to be able to do such nice gfx.. well, who'd not
[16:43] <craigth> jacksparrow, in that case I'm envious of you! What instrument do you play?
[16:43] <craigth> I've always wanted to learn to play the guiter
[16:44] <jacksparrow> I play the drums and from time to time piano
[16:44] <craigth> Can playa few songs on the piano but thats about it
[16:44] <saikat> hello every one
[16:44] <jacksparrow> classical ones?
[16:44] <craigth> ahasenack, I'm useless at drumming. No where near ambidextrous enough!
[16:44] <cparker> craigth: I feel most at home on the server side with Perl or Python. Oddly enough, though, I spent the last 2.5 years working primarily with JavaScript.
[16:44] <saikat> i can not request a cd in ubuntu ship it
[16:45] <Agentsmith> is that... an Issue, Mr. Saikat?
[16:45] <craigth> cparker, quite a big jump from python/perl to JavaScript in terms of its scope. How did you end up jumping?
[16:45] <jacksparrow> saikat, download it!
[16:45] <rowinggolfer> saikat... stick with intrepid!!
[16:45] <craigth> siretart, the servers are getting hammered at the moment from the traffic. Trying downloading via torrent first
[16:45] <cparker> craigth: A job came up as a JavaScript developer, and I took it. I cut my teeth on JavaScript, so I felt pretty comfortable with that...
[16:46] <Agentsmith> Yes.... hammered.
[16:46] <saikat> i am in 8.04
[16:46] <Agentsmith> You need to make a choice, Mr. Saikat.
[16:46] <saikat> but i want to use it
[16:46] <Agentsmith> Do you live, or do you... torrent?
[16:46] <rowinggolfer> saikat: wait for windows 7
[16:46] <saikat> ?
[16:46] <craigth> cparker, ahh right, sounds like my dream job haha. I adore JS as a language, find it very easy to code and understand. What type of stuff are you working on recently?
[16:47] <saikat> i dont use windows
[16:47] <Agentsmith> The choice is yours Mr. Saikat, live... or torrent. You have five seconds.
[16:47] <saikat> live
[16:47] <rowinggolfer> saikat: I was kidding sir.
[16:47] <craigth> rowinggolfer, haha, good one :P
[16:47] <craigth> To be fair though... MS have done a pretty decent job with Windows 7. It's everything Vista should have been
[16:47]  * rowinggolfer forgot he signed the ubuntu code of conduct 3 days ago.
[16:48] <Agentsmith> Jeff, Jeff, Jeff...
[16:48] <Agentsmith> I've been... waiting for you.
[16:48] <saikat> i am from bangladesh my net speed is not so high
[16:48] <craigth> See just how deep the rabbit hole goes....
[16:48] <saikat> but i download torrents sometimes
[16:49] <cparker> craigth: I'm working on a personal project at the moment. I'm using Django, a Python Web framework.
[16:49] <Agentsmith> Download the torrent, Mr. Saikat, and die.
[16:49] <craigth> cparker, I'm familiar with it. A friend of mine was using it in one of his past projects. Sounded liek quite a neat framework
[16:49] <craigth> s/liek/like
[16:49] <cparker> saikat: Just be patient. Try ordering CDs a little later.
[16:49] <cparker> craigth: It is. I'm in lurve.
[16:49] <rowinggolfer> is django the only python web framework though ;)
[16:50] <Agentsmith> Swimming in an endless sea of rage, searching for a lone free CD request. .  .
[16:50] <rowinggolfer> we need more of such
[16:50] <saikat> then i have to download torrents
[16:50] <Agentsmith> Tell me, Mr. Saikat. Do you love your cat? How about..... now?
[16:50] <saikat> i dont have any cat
[16:51] <craigth> Agentsmith is starting to scare me...
[16:51] <Agentsmith> Not anymore you don't, Mr. Saikat.
[16:51] <craigth> Hah.
[16:51] <eferraiuolo> damn, LP is down right when I need it :-/
[16:51] <saikat> no i dont hava any
[16:51] <craigth> That's a threat if I ever heard one :P
[16:51] <craigth> eferraiuolo, join the club :P
[16:52] <Agentsmith> Balchd, I've been... waiting for you.
[16:52] <balchd> Agentsmith: How about I give you the finger...
[16:52] <Agentsmith> But how can you give me the finger when you have... no hands?
[16:52] <craigth> _lol_
[16:52] <persia> Um, we're starting to drift from the topic.
[16:53] <cparker> persia: Worth it.
[16:53] <craigth> I was almost inclined to think agentsmith was a bot for a moment, but that is pure comedy.
[16:53] <persia> Yes, LP has slow responses now, but let's let that get sorted, and hear about it here, and have other discussions elsewhere.
[16:53] <matti> OK folks.
[16:53] <matti> Gotta go.
[16:53] <matti> ;]
[16:53] <fackamato> https://code.launchpad.net/dusttheme/0.3/0.3.4 doesn't seem to work, does it?
[16:53] <matti> Take care everybody :)
[16:54] <craigth> fackamato, /topic
[16:54] <davideotape> Hi guys
[16:54] <cparker> fackamato: I hate tomatoes, too.
[16:54] <rowinggolfer> persia: LP is a wonderful experience IMO. not perfect. but beautiful... and honest.
[16:54] <Agentsmith> Beautiful, and honest, like the baby soft skin of a newborn...
[16:55] <cparker> davideotape: Hey! Long time never see! How've you been?
[16:55] <fackamato> oh sorry
[16:55] <persia> rowinggolfer, I'm not one of the people who you probably want to direct that comment towards :)
[16:55] <davideotape> Good thanks :D
[16:55] <davideotape> cparker: yourself?
[16:55] <cparker> davideotape: Can't complain...
[16:56] <davideotape> cparker: goodgood
[16:56] <davideotape> Just wondering if anyone else is having problems accessing launchpad at the moment. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't for me...
[16:56]  * cparker points to the topic.
[16:56] <craigth> Hmm on a more LP note... I'm having some slight problems with my branches. Still new to this bazaar stuff, but I'm getting some errors trying to push
[16:56] <davideotape> Ah yes, just noticed that :S
[16:57] <craigth> "bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  Try using "merge" and then "push".
[16:57] <davideotape> Is that new jaunty users trying to file loads of bugs then?
[16:57] <rowinggolfer> or shared servers?
[16:57] <craigth> Then upon trying to merge: "bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified. "
[16:57] <rowinggolfer> or bandwidth?
[16:57] <craigth> And I have no idea what that even means :P
[16:57]  * TresEquis bets on shredded network fabric
[16:58] <Agentsmith> diafero, I've been waiting for you...
[16:58] <Agentsmith> do you have the money?
[16:58] <davideotape> Is this a hold up?
[16:58] <diafero> *rofl*
[16:58] <Agentsmith> No, I have something he wants...
[16:58] <Agentsmith> something he wouldnt want me... telling you all.
[16:59] <craigth> *ew*
[16:59] <diafero> If this is supposed to be funny, go on.
[16:59] <Agentsmith> Shall I tell them, diafero? Shall I tell them your -secret-?
[16:59] <diafero> if you want to *lol*
[16:59]  * craigth isn't sure he wants to know...
[16:59]  * cparker covers his eyes.
[16:59]  * persia thinks the conversation is drifting again
[16:59] <davideotape> Question - how do you do that three star thing on pidgin?
[16:59] <diafero> Yeah, trying to fool poor IRC newbies
[16:59] <craigth> Three star thing? O_O
[16:59] <diafero> not the nice way, agent
[17:00] <Agentsmith> Alas! I have been discovered!
[17:00]  * Agentsmith goes into STEALTH
[17:00] <davideotape> The thing that puts three *'s infront of your name
[17:00] <JesusChrist> herro children!
[17:00] <craigth> *rofl*
[17:00] <diafero> But I might be ok not to tell anyone, Jesus.... you know, the money?
[17:00] <davideotape> Sup jesus
[17:00] <craigth> This conversation is heading down hill :P
[17:00] <JesusChrist> not much. just chillin' on Cloud A.
[17:01] <davideotape> @craigth agreed
[17:02] <diafero> I actually was just looking for the launchpad state, and sicne it says here the iusse is know I'm going to head on
[17:02] <craigth> So regarding my past question...
[17:02] <davideotape> Is the fact launchpad is down and jaunty is released on the same day just a coincidence then?
[17:02] <diafero> see you soon, agent jesus...
[17:02] <craigth> "Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified. "
[17:02] <Phantomas>  Please try again                    Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.                             Try reloading this page in a minute or two.           If the problem persists, let us know in           the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.                  Thanks for your patience.
[17:02] <craigth> Phantomas, /topic
[17:02] <AgentSmith> Goodbye, diafero. I look forward to.... "meeting you" again.
[17:02]  * AgentSmith laughs.
[17:02] <persia> craigth, How did you construct your local branch?
[17:02] <davideotape> @PHANTOMAS thanks, but I already gathered that much
[17:02] <kugelinis> why shipit.ubuntu.com is dead?
[17:02] <Phantomas> oops ... thanks craigth
[17:03] <AgentSmith> Kugelinis, it's dead. You... killed it.
[17:03] <diafero> A meeting of the 3rd kind, hm?
[17:03] <AgentSmith> You shot it dead, and now we're coming for you, kugelinis... we're onto you...
[17:03] <craigth> persia, I used launchpad to construct it. Then pushed to it. But I think adding it a series and resetting development focus has cuased this error
[17:03] <craigth> it to a series *
[17:03] <craigth> well not error, but message :)
[17:03] <davideotape> I was thinking more server overload on shipit.ubuntu.com, but ya'know, could be anything
[17:04] <persia> craigth, Hrm.  I don't know.
[17:04] <davideotape> Anyone know if launchpad is on twitter?
[17:04] <craigth> persia, yeah.. stumped me too. Not even totally sure what it means
[17:04] <kugelinis> damn, i have to get the hell outta here before agents caughtme lol
[17:05] <AgentSmith> Kugelinis, have you checked on the birds, lately...?
[17:05] <tim_s1> Just received 3 emails for same bug with different bug numbers, hit refresh a couple of times when I was getting no activity,  do I mark two of them as duplicates of the remaining one when launchpad is back up and working
[17:06] <noumaan> so when launchpad is expected to return to normal?
[17:06] <craigth> Soon hopefully!
[17:06] <noumaan> I am unable to open any webpage :(
[17:07] <craigth> Yeah, sucks :( In the mean time we'll just have to be patient
[17:07] <TresEquis> noumaan: /topic says what LP admins know to date
[17:08] <noumaan> i am bored i had to upload these translations thats all I had to do today
[17:08] <craigth> persia, any ideas on how to delete a branch?
[17:08] <davideotape> TresEquis That's as much as I know though. I'm sure that the LP admins know a bit more than that.
[17:12] <davideotape> *enters the room*
[17:12] <persia> craigth, Isn't there a little trashcan icon?
[17:14] <davideotape> bye all. Happy bugging :P
[17:14] <craigth> persia, maybe... launchpad is down so I can't tell...
[17:14] <craigth> Anyway to do it via bazaar itself?
[17:15] <persia> I have no idea then.
[17:18] <ripps> Hope those PPA builders get fixed soon, otherwise there might be a huge queue of builds building up.
[17:22] <davideota> Hi guys
[17:24] <craigth> hi davidtremblay
[17:24] <craigth> woops wong nick ;)
[17:27] <longsleep> launchpad.net is down - any chance it comes up again soon?
[17:27] <Ursinha> longsleep, we're working on it
[17:28] <Ursinha> longsleep, as the /topic says :)
[17:28] <longsleep> Ursinha: ok great thx
[17:28] <Ursinha> longsleep, np :)
[17:29] <xorl> Does LP have a version I can install on my own server?
[17:29] <Ursinha> xorl, not yet
[17:30] <kiko> Ursinha, "yet"? :)
[17:30] <kiko> xorl, why would you want to do that?
[17:30] <kiko> longsleep, we're slashdotted and fixing up the throttlers
[17:30] <xorl> kiko: Internal In house bug tracking and management w/out the publics ability to see said projects?
[17:30] <kiko> xorl, we offer that already -- just sign up :)
[17:31] <xorl> kiko: I'm talking, closed source apps, (unfortunately trademarked)
[17:31] <hathawsh> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/10/1736238
[17:31] <grookoo> I understand... so that is why I can not access launchpad I presume
[17:31] <xorl> Don't want that stuff out in the public
[17:31] <longsleep> kiko: yes i could imagine :-)
[17:31] <kiko> xorl, and I'm agreeing -- we host closed source as well as open source :)
[17:31] <hathawsh> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/07/mark-shuttleworth-launchpad-to-be-open-source-in-12-months.ars
[17:31] <xorl> kiko: ah
[17:31] <kiko> xorl, we are probably the best choice for you -- let's make it happen!
[17:32] <grookoo> I thought you meant launchpad is being slashdotted right now
[17:32] <kiko> grookoo, we are
[17:32] <grookoo> Is it only me who has no access?
[17:32]  * Spads points grookoo to the topic
[17:32] <hathawsh> grookoo: you and probably most in this channel :-)
[17:33]  * craigth is also experiencing problems
[17:33] <craigth> Sods law... the exact moment you really need something it goes down :P
[17:33] <martin1980_> Hello?! Don't know if I talking to the right persons but it seems to be problem with the Launchpad homepage.
[17:34] <persia> martin1980_, See /topic
[17:34] <craigth> WOuld it be possible to automatically call /topic for everyone joins the channel :P
[17:34] <craigth> might make life easier hehe...
[17:34] <Ursinha> !topic
[17:35] <Ursinha> hm, it works :)
[17:35] <craigth> !topic
[17:35] <craigth> hmmm
[17:35] <grookoo> craigth: it is a mix of idiocy of not reading the /topic and other things
[17:35] <craigth> I bet that wasn't meant for me :P
[17:35] <grookoo> I actually looked for info on the /topic as I joined but my IRC client makes it unreadable
[17:35] <martin1980_> Thanks! The eyes are the first one becomes blind to.
[17:36] <KIAaze> thx for pointing out /topic
[17:36] <KIAaze> I was just about to ask what's wrong with LP :)
[17:37] <KIAaze> !topic
[17:40] <dabear> overloaded? :p
[17:41] <martin1980_> I don't useing IRC normaly. Dare say that this is my first time. How do I  enter "/topic"?
[17:41] <KIAaze> you just type it
[17:41] <KIAaze> without anything before the "/"
[17:42] <martin1980_> Do I need to be in #launchpad or log out?
[17:42] <KIAaze> just type it here like a normal message :)
[17:42] <Ursinha> martin1980_, as soon as you join the channel the topic is presented to you
[17:42] <Gilgha> Hi ^^
[17:42] <martin1980_> Ok! It's the blue text?!
[17:43] <KIAaze> yes
[17:43] <craigth> "We're having some issues with LP at the moment, we're working on it right now. Sorry for the inconvenience | https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: - | Join https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | karma count change: http://blog.launchpad.net/general/karma-where-did-mine-go"
[17:43] <martin1980_> Thanks!
[17:43] <KIAaze> it also appears when you first log in on a channel
[17:43] <Gilgha> I can't ship the new Jaunty :(
[17:43] <KIAaze> I was wondering if I should launch a 9.04 torrent to reduce the server load (if that's the cause of the pb), but the torrents aren't even available yet. :/
[17:44] <crazyhick> torrent?
[17:45] <KIAaze> well I found it here: http://noncdn.releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[17:45] <KIAaze> but it's not on the official site yet
[17:46] <KIAaze> any idea of how long it will take before launchpad works again?
[17:47] <craigth> Probably not for a while yet...
[17:47] <craigth> Although I could be totally wrong :P
[17:49] <maccam94> heh i should have remembered that release day would also affect LP. *sigh* i guess i'll have to try out this ppa later...
[17:50] <Ursinha> KIAaze, there are torrents, yes
[17:50] <Ursinha> KIAaze, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[17:52] <happosade> Ursinha: Do you know why they reset that stats from http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969
[17:52] <happosade> like every hour
[17:52] <Ursinha> happosade, nope, I don't
[17:52] <Ursinha> happosade, maybe in #ubuntu they know?
[17:52]  * happosade go and try
[17:53] <KIAaze> mmh, is it normal that the checksum here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ is different from the one here: http://noncdn.releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/MD5SUMS for ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso ?
[17:53] <craigth> MAy be a different torrent
[17:54] <happosade> craigth: nope.
[17:54] <KIAaze> I always thought checksums were from the isos, not the torrent
[17:55] <craigth> in that case... different ISO's? :P
[17:55] <KIAaze> and which one is the official torrent?
[17:55] <craigth> probably the first link
[17:55] <Ursinha> torrent.ubuntu.com is official as well
[17:55] <Ursinha> but you should ask in #ubuntu :)
[17:56] <craigth> Thats the link I meant :)
[17:56] <Ursinha> :)
[17:57] <jeanpaul145> Hi
[17:57] <jeanpaul145> why is the launchpad server down?
[17:57] <jeanpaul145> is it for maintenance?
[17:57] <bob__> Yeah, uh ShipIt seems to be broken
[17:57] <craigth> jeanpaul145, /topic
[17:57] <soc1> bob__: looks like they forgot the 64bit cds there ...
[17:57] <KIAaze> launchpad is kaputt
[17:59] <jeanpaul145> I see. Is there a site I can get additional info, maybe some details?
[17:59] <longsleep> jeanpaul145: see the channel topic
[18:00] <magcius> jeanpaul145, they're being slashdotted and also hard-hitted because of the new Ubuntu release.
[18:01] <jeanpaul145> ok, but why launchpad and not ubuntu.com / releases.ubuntu.com? extra resources can only do so much
[18:04] <Terje_> Is there another site I can download Disk Imager from?
[18:06] <racecar56> ack us.archive.ubuntu.com is also down
[18:06] <jeanpaul145> or is Jaunty that buggy? :P
[18:07] <KIAaze> only jaunty server edition :P
[18:07] <detructor15> hi
[18:08] <detructor15> I've a question: Could it be, that the launchpad server is down?
[18:08] <KIAaze> -> /topic
[18:08] <detructor15> oh, thanks >.>
[18:09] <ProbOnLaunchpad> Hey everyone.
[18:10] <craigth> Hey :)
[18:10] <ProbOnLaunchpad> Can anyone explain to me what's happening with Launchpad? What kind of issues are up?
[18:10] <intellectronica> ProbOnLaunchpad: see the topic
[18:10] <craigth> We're assuming its caused by the Jaunty release
[18:10] <craigth> but it could be any number of things
[18:11] <racecar56> hi
[18:11] <racecar56> hi
[18:11] <ProbOnLaunchpad> k ;)
[18:14] <james_w> rockstar: is launchpad down?
[18:14] <bachcha> yes
[18:14] <rockstar> james_w, :)
[18:14] <bachcha> please read the message of the day...
[18:14] <james_w> I like to help where I can
[18:14] <cody-somerville> rockstar, IS LAUNCHPAD DOWN?!?!?!
[18:14] <rockstar> james_w, is it out?
[18:14] <bachcha> yes.......................
[18:15] <rowinggolfer> cody-somerville: see topic
[18:15] <racecar56> ubuntu 2000
[18:15] <ProbOnLaunchpad> lol
[18:16] <ProbOnLaunchpad> that site isn't working for me right now
[18:17] <ProbOnLaunchpad> like every launchpad page at the moment
[18:18] <mitchell> hello all, I cant access https://launchpad.net, is something wrong with the server?
[18:18] <pace_t_zulu> launchpad is painful right now
[18:19] <pace_t_zulu> mitchell: Ubuntu 9.04 was released today, I suspect that has something to do with it
[18:19] <Ursinha> mitchell, /topic
[18:20] <pace_t_zulu> Ursinha: do you have any idea what the problem is? does it have something to do with Ubuntu 9.04?
[18:20] <racecar56> ubun2000
[18:20] <Ursinha> pace_t_zulu, I'm not, we're working on trying to find out what's going on
[18:20] <Ursinha> I mean, I don't
[18:20] <Ursinha> :)
[18:20] <KIAaze> "<ubottu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/2000/+text)" ubottu down too?! O.o
[18:21] <pace_t_zulu> Ursinha: thank you
[18:21] <KIAaze> !topic
[18:21] <marko> hi all
[18:21] <Ursinha> racecar56, please, stop doing that :)
[18:21] <racecar56> hi
[18:21] <Ursinha> marko, hi
[18:22] <ProbOnLaunchpad> It might be an stupid question, but how could Jaunty release cause this problem?
[18:22] <marko> anybody else havin problems connecting to lp?
[18:22] <racecar56> me
[18:22] <racecar56> lp is pwn'd
[18:22] <ProbOnLaunchpad> marko: topic
[18:22] <marko> ahhh, just saw it after hitting return... ;-)
[18:22] <racecar56>  \
[18:23] <pace_t_zulu> i don't think it is a coincidence that LP went down on 9.04 launch day
[18:23] <boutch5> back on... at least for a couple pages ;-)
[18:24] <boutch5> working for anyone else ?
[18:24] <KIAaze> this is madness!
[18:24] <racecar56> no
[18:24] <KIAaze> madness?
[18:24] <racecar56> SPARTA
[18:24] <Bob_J> back up for me
[18:24] <KIAaze> this is JAUUUUNTYYYYY
[18:24] <racecar56> lol
[18:24] <emorris> boutch5: up and down
[18:24] <boutch5> yup... gone again
[18:25] <boobaloo_> hi all LP'ers
[18:25] <racecar56> hi
[18:25] <pace_t_zulu> Ursinha: has this problem occurred on previous  Ubuntu launches
[18:25] <boutch5> just had time to grab the nvidia 177 driver source :-)
[18:25] <racecar56> kk
[18:25] <pace_t_zulu> looks like its back up
[18:25] <Ursinha> pace_t_zulu, I don't recall this happening the other releases
[18:25] <racecar56> why didn't nvidia 178.xx get in the repos?
[18:26] <boutch5> no
[18:26] <boutch5> 177 is missing, at least in x64..
[18:26] <racecar56> k
[18:26] <racecar56> 178 is also missingf
[18:26] <racecar56> *missing
[18:26] <Ursinha> racecar56, have you asked in #ubuntu already?
[18:26] <boutch5> the day is gonna be long..
[18:27] <racecar56> Ursinha, no
[18:27] <ProbOnLaunchpad> Ok, it's up
[18:27] <Ursinha> racecar56, you should :)
[18:27] <racecar56> Ursinha, i just did now :>
[18:27] <NoProbOnLaunchpa> thanks everyone!
[18:27] <NoProbOnLaunchpa> bye =)
[18:28] <Turl> hi
[18:28] <Turl> is shipit down?
[18:29] <blizzkid> Turl: see topic
[18:29] <Turl> oh, the topic explains it all, thanks
[18:29] <racecar56> O.O "E: Package linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic has no installation candidate"
[18:29] <rockstar> racecar56, that's an issue for #ubuntu, not #launchpad
[18:29] <racecar56> rockstar, i just aked there
[18:29] <racecar56> *asked
[18:29] <rockstar> racecar56, also, racecar56 is not a palindrome.
[18:29] <rockstar> :)
[18:30]  * rockstar scurries off to get on a plane
[18:30] <racecar56> but racecar is
[18:30]  * blizzkid suggests racecar56 a nick change to 65racecar56 :p
[18:30] <Turl> woah, jaunty-proposed is not authenticated heh :P
[18:34] <craigth> Looks like launchpad is semi-back up
[18:34] <rowinggolfer> I had a semi this morning
[18:34] <rowinggolfer> it's a vague term
[18:34] <craigth> Wow...
[18:34] <craigth> Not sure what to make of that :P
[18:35] <rowinggolfer> a semi-push?
[18:35]  * craigth shrugs
[18:35] <rowinggolfer> not satisfying for client or server
[18:35] <craigth> Haha
[18:35] <racecar56> yea
[18:40] <racecar56> yay us archive is back
[18:40] <Winger3> site really slow! :)
[18:41] <Turl> Winger3: see the topic
[18:42] <Winger3> topic where url?
[18:42] <craigth>  /topic
[18:46] <Saffie_x> Hii xx
[18:47] <Saffie_x> Looks like Launchpad is Semi-back then!! :|
[18:47] <Oziriz> Hello
[18:48] <Saffie_x> Whats going on with this thing?? xx
[18:48] <Saffie_x> :P
[18:48] <Oziriz> :/ Does anyone know when it'll be back completely?
[18:48] <Saffie_x> Nope but I wanna know
[18:48] <Oziriz> I can't download Ubuntu with my connection :(
[18:48]  * hathawsh gives thanks to Canonical for Launchpad :-)
[18:48] <Saffie_x> Why?? xx
[18:49] <Oziriz> It's way too slow
[18:49] <Saffie_x> Oh okay!! Too bad!!
[18:49] <Oziriz> Besides, I want to continue my collection of Ubuntu CDs
[18:50] <Saffie_x> Thats a bit sad
[18:50] <Oziriz> Haha
[18:50] <Oziriz> Do we know why Launchpad is down?
[18:50] <beuno> Oziriz, yes and no. We're working on it.
[18:50] <beuno> something midly to do with the Ubuntu release
[18:50] <Saffie_x> Nope not yet!! Everyone is asking everyone but no one knows yet
[18:50] <Oziriz> Thanks, beuno
[18:51] <Saffie_x> Well its half half
[18:51] <racecar56> the us archive is slow
[18:51] <Oziriz> Well, half is better than no information
[18:51] <racecar56> =_=
[18:52] <Saffie_x> :!
[18:52] <Oziriz> I bet
[18:52] <Saffie_x> :-!
[18:52] <Saffie_x> You bet what?? xx
[18:52] <Oziriz> That the US archive is slow
[18:52] <Saffie_x> Oh right
[18:52] <Oziriz> A lot of people want the new Ubuntu release
[18:53] <Saffie_x> Why Whats so good about Ubuntu
[18:53] <Oziriz> It's easy to use and stuff, good for not-quite-so-technical people
[18:54] <Oziriz> I'm not an Ubuntu/Linux fanboy, but I have to say it's a very good distro
[18:55] <Saffie_x> No I cant stand it drives Mee mad sometimes!! :|
[18:55] <Oziriz> Haha
[18:55] <Oziriz> Why?
[18:56] <Saffie_x> Dunno Cause I use MSN Messenger and things like that and Ubuntu dosent provide it but I dont undeerstand why its only Window users But I dont like Window cause it takes like forever to load things up!!
[18:57] <Oziriz> Actually, I think it comes with Pidgin
[18:57] <craigth> Use another IM client like Pidgin or Kopete then :)
[18:57] <blizzkid> Saffie_x: ever tried pidgin? or amsn? or ... ?
[18:57] <craigth> Lots of options to choose from
[18:57] <Oziriz> As you can see, there's a lot of options
[18:57] <Saffie_x> Yeah I dont like it
[18:57] <craigth> http://www.linuxalt.com
[18:57] <Saffie_x> Not sure why!!
[18:57] <Oziriz> You don't like options? :/
[18:58] <blizzkid> craigth: or osalt ;)
[18:58] <craigth> ;)
[18:58] <racecar56>  
[18:58]  * blizzkid doesn't get why people like bloated windows live messenger
[18:58] <craigth> IF you're a windows fan I'd try out KDE 4.2
[18:58] <racecar56> lol
[18:58] <Ursinha> Saffie_x, ubuntu doesn't provide the MSN client but provides clients that support msn protocol
[18:58] <racecar56> blizzkid, right on
[18:58] <blizzkid> sure, it's got webcam support, but who uses that anyway? :p
[18:58] <Oziriz> blizzkid, not all people like changes I guess
[18:59] <racecar56> "GET SINGLES NOW!" ads until your nuts
[18:59] <Ursinha> blizzkid, there's amsn for that :p
[18:59] <blizzkid> Oziriz: indeed
[18:59] <racecar56> amsn pwn
[18:59] <racecar56> amsn pwns
[18:59] <Saffie_x> Mee I doo its better then typing!! Lol
[18:59] <blizzkid> Ursinha: I know, but I hate it :p
[18:59] <Oziriz> Doesn't Skype have webcam support on Linux distros? It should be faster anyway
[18:59] <maccam94> Oziriz: yes
[18:59] <craigth> Yeah it does.
[18:59] <blizzkid> I prefer finch actually :)
[18:59] <Saffie_x> I have never heard of the aMSN Isit good??
[18:59] <magcius> Except that the Skype client for Linux is awful.
[18:59] <Ursinha> Saffie_x, it does the job
[18:59] <magcius> I prefer Pidgin./
[18:59] <racecar56> its kool
[18:59] <racecar56> skype PHAIL
[18:59] <Oziriz> magcius: It is?
[19:00] <racecar56> pidgin is ok but i dont like it for amsn
[19:00] <maccam94> racecar56: ...how?
[19:00] <racecar56> *msn
[19:00] <Saffie_x> I gto Skype but I dont have any friends on it
[19:00] <blizzkid> I wish everyone used xmmp instead of msn :(
[19:00] <magcius> But I use irssi + screen + bitlbee
[19:00]  * persia waves the "This is the launchpad channel" flag
[19:00] <magcius> And sometimes ERC.
[19:00] <maccam94> haha
[19:00] <racecar56> ya
[19:00] <Oziriz> Haha
[19:00]  * craigth likes that flag
[19:00] <racecar56> ive never used erc
[19:00] <blizzkid> magcius: bitlbee is nice indeed
[19:00]  * racecar56 ALSO waves the "This is the launchpad channel" flag
[19:01] <maccam94> is launchpad just overloaded right now, or are there other problems?
[19:01] <racecar56>  /topic
[19:01] <racecar56> idk
[19:01] <Oziriz> I have a tendency to go off topic :/
[19:01]  * Ursinha got her arm tired of holding that flag long ago
[19:02] <blizzkid> persia: you have to admit ubuntu and launchpad are so closely related talking bout ubuntu stuff is hardly off topic ;) (as long as it doesn't go the ubuntu support way)
[19:02] <Saffie_x> What is a tendency
[19:02] <persia> blizzkid, Well, I suppose, but lots of people use LP for non-ubuntu stuff, and there's lots of channels to talk about ubuntu stuff.
[19:02] <craigth> An inclination
[19:02] <racecar56> ping 91.189.88.46, does it respond fast?
[19:02] <blizzkid> true persia, it's not that I disagree you know ;)
[19:02] <craigth> When you inclined to do something in particular
[19:03] <craigth> s/you/your
[19:03] <Saffie_x> Oh right
[19:03] <blizzkid> craigth: s/your/you're ;)
[19:03] <craigth> Aha yes, thanks :)
[19:03] <blizzkid> yw
[19:03] <EiTheL> @racecar, ping is fast, around 300-400 ms
[19:03] <magcius> blizzkid, s/your/you\'re/, actually.
[19:04] <blizzkid> pseudo-code magicus :p
[19:04] <Saffie_x> What is this s/your/....Buisness
[19:04] <magcius> Saffie_x, sed substitute.
[19:04] <Saffie_x> What??
[19:05] <blizzkid> Saffie_x: man sed ;)
[19:05] <Saffie_x> Still have no idea what your on about
[19:05] <magcius> Saffie_x, then you haven't used GNU enough.
[19:05] <blizzkid> Saffie_x: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=sed&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=sed&fp=_rpp-4zAm3I
[19:05] <magcius> Come on, dive in, write some bash scripts.
[19:05] <Saffie_x> Lol
[19:05] <Ursinha> Saffie_x, do you use launchpad for something?
[19:06] <Saffie_x> I dunno SOmeone toold Mee to come on here as its useful
[19:06] <Oziriz> Maybe Saffie_x thought this was a channel for Duck Tales' Launchpad :)
[19:06] <Saffie_x> Or maybe not
[19:06] <blizzkid> lol @Oziriz
[19:06] <Oziriz> Just kidding there, Saffie_x
[19:07] <Ursinha> Saffie_x, so I wonder what are you doing here if you don't use Launchpad and don't use ubuntu (you should be here by mistake or free association)
[19:07] <Saffie_x> I doo use Ubuntu
[19:08] <Ursinha> Saffie_x, I don't get it then
[19:08] <Ursinha> anyway
[19:08] <blizzkid> Saffie_x: you mean you use the cd's to put your coffee on? :p :p :p
[19:08] <Saffie_x> You think your funny dont you
[19:08] <racecar56> thats about how useful the cds i burn are
[19:08] <Oziriz> Haha
[19:08] <racecar56> my cd drives hate burning
[19:08] <blizzkid> Saffie_x: I'm just kidding
[19:08] <blizzkid> don't get too excited
[19:09] <blizzkid> racecar56: at least you can burn cd's
[19:09] <Saffie_x> Why you talking about Coffee for Its ment to be talking about a bug of Launch pad
[19:09] <racecar56> ping 91.189.88.46, does it respond?
[19:09] <blizzkid> coz you said you use ubuntu but don't know sed nor man
[19:10] <blizzkid> and it was a _joke_
[19:10] <Saffie_x> Not the jokes that I tell or hear
[19:10] <Ursinha> racecar56, yes
[19:10] <blizzkid> Saffie_x: i guess you're not enough of a geek then ;)
[19:10] <Oziriz> Well, blizzkid, Ubuntu is so easy you never really have to use sed or man, or even a terminal at all in many cases
[19:11] <Saffie_x> Nope never will be
[19:11] <blizzkid> Oziriz: I disagree on that one
[19:11] <Ursinha> what about moving to a proper channel to discuss ubuntu?
[19:11] <blizzkid> but I'm far more into cli'ing then joe average I guess
[19:11] <Saffie_x> Terminal is used every hour on this computer!!  No word of a lie
[19:11] <blizzkid> true Ursinha
[19:11] <Oziriz> :P My doesn't even know how to launch the terminal, and I installed Ubuntu on her computer a while ago
[19:11] <Saffie_x> Who
[19:11] <Oziriz> Anyway, yeah, back on topic
[19:12] <Saffie_x> We are on topis
[19:12]  * blizzkid invites all to #ubuntu-cafe
[19:12] <Saffie_x> topic*
[19:12] <Ursinha> Saffie_x, no, you're not
[19:12] <Saffie_x> Why??
[19:12] <Ursinha> Saffie_x, this is #launchpad, not #ubuntu-*
[19:12] <Oziriz> I'll go to blizzkid's channel and quit spamming this one with unrelated stuff
[19:12] <Saffie_x> Somebody was talkin about Coffe earlier  so dont know what your on about
[19:13]  * Ursinha sighs
[19:13] <Saffie_x> I sigh to
[19:13] <blizzkid> Saffie_x: join #ubuntu-cafe and stop nagging ;)
[19:14] <Ursinha> thanks blizzkid :)
[19:14] <Saffie_x> Im not nagging what Is Ubuntu Cafe
[19:14] <Ursinha> Saffie_x, is the room you should go
[19:14] <Saffie_x> Just because I like to talk
[19:14] <Ursinha> Saffie_x, please.
[19:14] <Saffie_x> I likee this one
[19:15] <Saffie_x> tim_s1 I know you
[19:15] <racecar56> lets go to ubuntu cafe
[19:15] <racecar56> :>
[19:15] <Saffie_x> I think we are related
[19:15] <racecar56> its just a talk channel
[19:15] <racecar56> that is what ubuntu cafe is
[19:15] <racecar56> #ubuntu-cafe
[19:15] <Saffie_x> I like this one I wanna talk here
[19:16] <Ursinha> sorry.
[19:16] <Ursinha> thanks racecar56 and blizzkid
[19:16] <racecar56> who you banned? and yw
[19:16] <Ursinha> racecar56, the guy that didn't want to go to ubuntu-cafe :)
[19:16] <racecar56> k
[19:17] <craigth> Cya guys :)
[19:19] <tim_s1> Dear All apologies for saffie_x she is my 12 year old daughter who I have just taught how to setup irc on her ubuntu nettop
[19:19] <Ursinha> np tim_s1
[19:32] <ripps> Any word on what's going on with the PPA builders?
[19:32] <kiko> Ursinha, you were pretty unbrazilian there :)
[19:33] <Ursinha> kiko, heh
[20:02] <davideota> Anyone know what went wrong with LP today?
[20:09] <Saffie_x> Hii
[20:09] <boobaloo_> :D
[20:12] <Saffie_x> Hii Ursinha
[20:12] <Saffie_x> :D
[20:13] <Ursinha> hi Saffie_x
[20:13] <Saffie_x> How are you?
[20:14] <Saffie_x> Why did you cut Mee off earlier
[21:04] <magcius> I'm trying to make a PPA, but I don't see any instructions on how to use CDBS with automake/.
[21:13] <magcius> Is there a quick-start guide to making a PPA? This all seems wicked complicated.
[21:14] <lizardo> Ursinha: any chance that the PPA builders are not working ? I have 2 packages in my PPA waiting to be built for more than a hour now... none of them started building in any architecture
[21:14] <lizardo> of course this questions applies to anyone who knows the answer :)
[21:15] <Ursinha> lizardo, hmm, unfortunately the ones I think that could be able to answer are not here now :/
[21:15] <lizardo> Ursinha: ok no prob, I'm sure that someone will notice this and fix this (if it is really broken)
[21:16] <Ursinha> lizardo, surely, thanks for pointing that
[21:17] <lizardo> I wish it would have a "NEW queue" page for PPA builders in launchpad just like Debian: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[21:47] <magcius> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Frequently asked questions
[21:47] <magcius> Is the "How many PPAs can I have?" outdated?
[21:48] <racecar56> this place == silent
[21:48] <balor> Does launchpad support git trees?
[21:48] <racecar56> idk
[21:49] <magcius> It can import git, yes.
[21:49] <balor> magcius: thanks.
[21:51] <balor> magcius: ummm...how?  There doesn't seem to be an option under "Register a Branch"
[21:54] <balor> and git push ssh://me@launchpad.net/~me/+junk/branch does not work.
[21:56] <Ursinha> balor, git won't work, only bzr.
[21:56] <balor> Ursinha: ah.
[22:17] <magcius> Hmm... I used dput to upload a PPA, but it isn't on my user page.
[22:30] <wgrant> magcius: You need to wait up to 5 minutes, and make sure that it was signed. You'll get an email about it unless it's unsigned.
[22:30] <wgrant> And oh dear, that was a lot of off-topic conversation overnight....
[22:32] <magcius> Rejected because "Unable to find distroseries: unstable"
[22:33] <magcius> How do I change the changes file and then sign it again?
[22:37] <magcius> wgrant, bah, running debuild again overwrites my changes file.
[22:38] <mwhudson> um, wouldn't you want to get the distro right i the changelog, rather than editing the changes file?
[22:39] <magcius> mwhudson, how would I do that?
[22:39] <magcius> err
[22:39] <magcius> are the changelog and the changes two separate files?
[22:39]  * magcius is confused.
[22:39] <mwhudson> magcius: by changelog i mean the debian/changelog file
[22:40] <mwhudson> you edit that (and other things), run debuild -S which reads that file (and other things) and it creates a .changes file
[22:40] <wgrant> magcius: The _source.changes file is completely generated. You shouldn't touch it yourself.
[22:40] <mwhudson> which is one of the things dput uploads
[22:41] <magcius> mwhudson, how do I edit the description and things like that? It doesn't look like it's using my ChangeLog file (which was forked from another project)
[22:41] <wgrant> magcius: debian/control
[22:42] <magcius> what do I want? project (version) jaunty; urgency=low?
[22:42] <mwhudson> yes, something like that
[22:42] <mwhudson> dch is handy for editing the changelog, the format is rather precise
[22:43] <magcius> Is there a restriction on how recent the date needs to be?
[22:44] <wgrant> No.
[22:45] <magcius> Okay, I think I'm getting the hang of this now.
[22:46] <magcius> Thanks for putting up with me... I'm completely new to Debian package distribution.
[22:46] <mwhudson> this probably isn't the best place to learn it :)
[22:47] <mwhudson> magcius: have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide ?
[22:47] <magcius> mwhudson, yeah, it's all over my head, because the instructions on help.launchpad.net are way simpler.
[22:47] <mwhudson> well, simpler, because they point to that page for all the details :)
[22:52] <ripps> Okay, I keep asking, but nobody seems to know why so many of the PPA build machines are down.
[22:53] <magcius> I assume they're not down, just really queued because Jaunty just came out.
[22:54] <wgrant> ripps: Most of the buildds that aren't shown there are probably now acting as release mirrors. The other dead ones probably got automatically deactivated when they failed due to the overloading.
[22:54] <ripps> magcius: Once you start getting the basics of debian packaging down, try doing some test builds using pbuilder. I good make your packages accomadate this system, because all the ubuntu PPA's and package building machines use it
[22:54] <ripps> wgrant: Thanks, I was wondering about that.
[22:54] <wgrant> ripps: Launchpad builds use sbuild, not pbuilder.
[22:55] <magcius> wgrant, was that developed for this purpose?
[22:55] <wgrant> Although they look fairly similar to the package, in some cases the differences matter.
[22:55] <wgrant> magcius: What do you mean?
[22:55] <magcius> wgrant, is sbuild a Canonical product developed for Launchpad?
[22:55] <wgrant> magcius: No - it was used in Debian for years before. But the one used on Launchpad is fairly hacked up by Canonical.
[22:56] <magcius> wgrant, ah, do you release your modifications?
[22:56] <wgrant> magcius: I've nothing to do with Canonical.
[22:57] <wgrant> magcius: But no, it doesn't seem that they do.
[22:57] <magcius> wgrant, rejected again. "notify-osd-better_0.1-1.dsc: Section 'unknown' is not valid"
[22:57] <wgrant> magcius: That should be clear.
[22:57] <wgrant> The error means exactly what it says.
[22:57] <wgrant> See the Debian Policy Manual for valid sections.
[22:57] <magcius> wgrant, but my dsc file was generated?
[22:58] <wgrant> magcius: See debian/control.
[22:58] <magcius> wgrant, would it because my Description spans multiple lines?
[22:59] <wgrant> magcius: No - see the Section fields in all of the Package and Binary stanzas.
[22:59] <magcius> In debian/control? That's a very short file.
[22:59] <magcius> oh, shoot.
[22:59] <ripps> magcius: I think you get that error because in your debian/control, you haven't specify which section the source package is. notify-osd is x11
[23:23] <soc1> ppa a bit slow today?
[23:23] <soc1> "Estimated build start:               in 4 hours" ...
[23:24] <wgrant> soc1: Lots of the buildds are being used as Ubuntu release mirrrors, and some of the others were automatically deactivated when Launchpad was overloaded this morning.
[23:24] <soc1> ah ok
[23:25] <wgrant> So yes, it's a bit abnormal.
[23:29] <soc1> mh ok, looks i won't get mplayer built in the next few hours ...
[23:45] <wgrant> spm: Can you kick those deactivated buildds?
[23:46] <spm> wgrant: I believe they have been. that not the case?
[23:46] <magcius> wgrant, I'm curious how do you know all this if you don't work for/not affiliated with Canonical.
[23:47] <wgrant> spm: Oh, indeed they have.
[23:47] <wgrant> magcius: You pick these things up in the Ubuntu dev community.
[23:47] <spm> magcius: he ask's questions and keeps his eyes open :-)