[00:00] <MarkJones> Something as simple as trash dont work I dont know if the release is even ready seems premature.
[00:00] <Anacranom> wgrant, i add a printer, choose "Windows Printer via Samba.."> Browse---> error msg
[00:00] <loomsen> lol
[00:01] <mattwj2002> !64bit
[00:01] <loomsen> :D
[00:01] <wgrant> MarkJones: It works fine for everybody I know.
[00:01] <hggdh> MarkJones, what is the bug #?
[00:02] <MarkJones> 1 sec
[00:02] <shavlir> there's the ext4 bug, maybe the same thing?
[00:02] <handlehere> Hi :) - is there an apt-get command to upgrade 8.10 to jaunty?
[00:02] <loomsen> apt-get time && wait
[00:03] <mattwj2002> hehe
[00:03] <shavlir> lol
[00:03] <BUGabundo> handlehere: read the release notes http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[00:03] <mattwj2002> so what time will it be released?
[00:03] <mattwj2002> 6 hours to midnight for me :)
[00:03] <BUGabundo> handlehere: and then makea backup. only then run $ update-manager -d
[00:03] <wgrant> mattwj2002: Never.
[00:03] <loomsen> as soon as your notifier notifys u
[00:03] <hggdh> mattwj2002, as soon as it is ready
[00:03] <MarkJones>              Bug #365025
[00:04] <Z_God> it's already 1:04 here
[00:04] <KyleK> lol
[00:04] <Z_God> so it must be out
[00:04]  * ienorand can't take all this sensless animal slaughtering anymore and is off to bed
[00:04] <cowgarden> yea, must be out in germany
[00:04] <loomsen> lol
[00:04] <KyleK> Z_God: i dont think they can release something at a certain time in any time zone
[00:04] <wgrant> MarkJones: That bug doesn't exist.
[00:05] <loomsen> same procedure twice a year
[00:05] <loomsen> :D
[00:05] <hggdh> MarkJones, you reported the bug today, and you consider this a blocker? (BTW, you did not answer the question posed to you in the bug)
[00:05] <Z_God> KyleK: why not?, just give the dutch mirrors one hour earlier access than the UK mirrors, etc. etc.
[00:05] <loomsen> lol
[00:06] <wgrant> MarkJones: That bug does not exist, as you have not given the requested information.
[00:06] <wgrant> And as hggdh said, you reported it just a few hours ago.
[00:06] <loomsen> so you think they're just waiting for the time to pass by till they finally can release jaunty?
[00:06] <loomsen> :D
[00:06] <handlehere> bugabundo: bugabundo tyvm, i guess xubuntu is released in higher version later ten the ubuntu right?
[00:06] <Z_God> I'd be surprised if there would still be bugs to fix at this moment
[00:07] <wgrant> handlehere: No - at exactly the same time.
[00:07] <wgrant> handlehere: Although the announcement might come out a few minutes later.
[00:07] <loomsen> lol
[00:07] <loomsen> but u can try and add the servers for maui waui and pray
[00:07] <coz_> Z_God, how about nautilus  open dialog still being painfully slow :)
[00:08] <MarkJones> What do i have to include?
[00:08] <MarkJones> Its my first bug report ever
[00:08] <Z_God> I'm a KDE user, so I don't think that's very important :P
[00:09] <Z_God> but if you still experience this with a fresh install on multiple systems that would be bad
[00:09] <hggdh> MarkJones, describe how you delete the file
[00:09] <wgrant> MarkJones: What he asked. How exactly are you deleting? Through a menu? The delete key? Which options are checked in Edit->Preferences->Behaviour->Trash?
[00:09] <hggdh> MarkJones, for example "I open a terminal and issue 'rm thisfile'"
[00:09] <Z_God> coz_: because it's really unlikely it'll be fixed in the coming hours
[00:09] <loomsen> lol
[00:10] <loomsen> u open a terminal and issue rm= /dev/null
[00:10] <coz_> Z_God, oh no  I have to sudo nautilus to get things done lol
[00:10] <loomsen> jeez
[00:10] <loomsen> jeeeeeeeez
[00:10] <Z_God> coz_: try sudo apt-get install konqueror ;)
[00:10] <hggdh> loomsen, if you are not willing to help out, please do not confuse the issue
[00:10] <loomsen> i just helped u out buddy
[00:10] <coz_> Z_God, cant do that I am a long hater of anything kde :)
[00:11] <Z_God> coz_, how come/
[00:11] <Z_God> ?
[00:11] <coz_> Z_God, I used kde way back with red hat  and have never found it worth the effort ever since :)
[00:11] <cowgarden> coz_: you have to use gksudo made a huge mistake once with sudo :)
[00:11] <Z_God> coz_, but why the hate then?
[00:12] <m1r> hello
[00:12] <coz_> Z_God,  it is a "cute"  look number one second it is always having issues and far less stable than gnome
[00:12] <loomsen> cause u better dont use gksu at all
[00:12] <loomsen> y do u think u have to go with super-cow powers
[00:12] <m1r> i have installed 9.04 RC today and set all HDD partitioning to default, it made SWAP 11GB ??? is that normal ?
[00:13] <loomsen> no
[00:13] <TheFunkbomb> has anyone done an upgrade to 9.04 rather than a fresh install?
[00:13] <coz_> loomsen,  because at this point. on this install.. nautilus open dialog takes 30 minutes to do what normally takes me 3 mintues  so sudo nautilus does it for me
[00:13] <thiebaude> 11gb is too much
[00:13] <loomsen> ←
[00:13] <Z_God> coz_, ok I should look at Gnome sometime then, when I started with KDE, Gnome didn't exist yet, and I never really tried it seriously
[00:13] <hggdh> m1r, how large is your disk?
[00:13] <m1r> 500gb with 32mb cache
[00:13] <coz_> Z_God,  well it is not pretty at first but logical if nothing else
[00:13] <loomsen> coz, ur prlly making things worse
[00:13] <Daskreech> coz_: Far less stable?
[00:14] <m1r> in any case 11GB seems too much (4gb ram in system)
[00:14] <TheFunkbomb> I guess not
[00:14] <coz_> Daskreech,  well I dont want to get into bashing anything here but yes its always had issues
[00:14] <loomsen> it's just a predefined percentage of your HDD
[00:14] <hggdh> m1r, please open a bug on this. This is a bit excessive
[00:14] <loomsen> if youure going with defaults
[00:14]  * Daskreech shrugs
[00:14] <loomsen> defaults suck btw
[00:14] <Z_God> coz_, I care more about functionality than looks, kind of became addicted to all KDE's features though
[00:14] <Daskreech> Works nicely for me
[00:14] <m1r> hggdh: how to report bug ?
[00:15] <Daskreech> !bug
[00:15] <hggdh> m1r, see above
[00:15] <Z_God> coz_, I still prefer KDE 3 over 4 atm
[00:15] <m1r> tnx guys
[00:15] <Daskreech> Z_God: KDE3 is there for Jaunty :)
[00:15] <coz_> Z_God, understood
[00:15] <Z_God> yeah, I saw that, that's really great (hardy doesn't support my hardware)
[00:16] <Daskreech> erk
[00:16] <Anacranom> so no-one's found issues with samba?
[00:16] <loomsen> i did
[00:16] <Z_God> but I should check gnome out too I guess, I wonder about the future of GTK though
[00:16] <loomsen> since alpha 4 or so
[00:16] <BUGabundo> m1r: big disk?
[00:16] <m1r> 500Gb
[00:17] <Z_God> I barely use Samba
[00:17] <loomsen> wasnt able to access my network HD, but i was able to access it through my virtualbox O.o
[00:17] <Z_God> I guess it's much less popular these days than it used to be
[00:17] <wgrant> Z_God: What about GTK+'s future?
[00:17] <BUGabundo> humm
[00:17] <BUGabundo> what's the damn installer name?
[00:17] <wgrant> BUGabundo: ubiquity
[00:17] <BUGabundo> m1r: $ ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[00:17] <BUGabundo> wgrant: thanks
[00:17] <BUGabundo> nice to see you so active today wgrant
[00:18] <Z_God> wgrant, I guess you know about the evolution of Qt from version 3 to 4, I have no clue how GTK is doing compared to Qt 4
[00:18] <BUGabundo> missed you on +1
[00:18] <loomsen> this is not a bug
[00:18] <loomsen> it's a default value
[00:18] <wgrant> Z_God: There is a GTK3 planned in the next couple of releases. A lot of cleanups and new nice stuff.
[00:18] <m1r> loomsen: so its normal to assign that much on "large" disk ?
[00:18] <hggdh> but we still should look at this default
[00:18] <Daskreech> Z_God: Isn't right now since it hasn't upped a version yet
[00:18] <wgrant> 11GB of swap doesn't make sense, so it is  abug.
[00:18] <Daskreech> wgrant: whats new?
[00:18] <Z_God> wgrant, is there a big advantage with GTK3 over Qt 4?
[00:19] <loomsen> m1r, so it's normal going with defaults and wondering they arent customized?
[00:19] <wgrant> Z_God: It's less crap that Qt :P
[00:19] <TheFunkbomb> Anyone upgrade to 9.04 rather than a fresh install?
[00:19] <wgrant> Z_God: This war has been going on forever, I'm sure you know.
[00:19] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: worked fine for me.
[00:19] <wgrant> Daskreech: I don't recall. I'm not big GUI person.
[00:19] <shavlir> TheFunkbomb: yes, I have
[00:19] <TheFunkbomb> no issues?
[00:19] <sint> TheFunkbomb: i do fresh install :)
[00:19] <Skapare> I always do fresh install
[00:19] <m1r> loomsen: ok , tnx. but was just wondering why assigned so much
[00:19] <Z_God> wgrant, I guess both have their advantages, but I've only looked at Qt, so I know why Qt is nice, I have no clue about GTK
[00:19]  * genii sips and thinks about some QuTeGTK project
[00:20] <sint> but just because my old system is a mess :D
[00:20] <loomsen> min as possible ↑
[00:20] <wgrant> Z_God: Parts of Qt are nice, but others I utterly hate.
[00:20] <Skapare> keep your data separate from the system, and make backups ... then fresh install is the way
[00:20] <loomsen> lol
[00:20] <loomsen> y would u think that?
[00:20] <TheFunkbomb> I don't want to lose all my settings
[00:20]  * Daskreech sits with genii
[00:20]  * Skapare has done fresh installs since way back when he managed mainframes
[00:20] <BUGabundo> m1r: I would consider it an UI bug
[00:20] <BUGabundo> file it and let me know!
[00:20] <loomsen> separate home partition for the win funk
[00:20] <Z_God> wgrant, those parts have been done better in GTK?
[00:20] <genii> wgrant: Eventually my crystal ball says we'll see something like GTK-fusion
[00:20] <TheFunkbomb> So, when 9.04 gets released tomorow, what would the command line be to run the upgrade?
[00:21] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: do-release-upgrade
[00:21] <BUGabundo> loomsen: there is no current need for separate home
[00:21]  * genii slides Daskreech a coffee
[00:21] <TheFunkbomb> kklimonda, thanks
[00:21] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: even ``sudo do-release-upgrade''
[00:21] <BUGabundo> loomsen: the installer can reinstall the system without touching the USER data
[00:21] <loomsen> yep bug, and windows works too
[00:21] <TheFunkbomb> would that work now?
[00:21] <wgrant> Z_God: Yes. Buildish bits, for example.
[00:21] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: NO sudo for UM
[00:21] <m1r> BUGabundo: cant report atm, my mails are on other system and dont have access to them :(
[00:21] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: if you kept your sources.list sane you shouldn't have any problems..
[00:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: even for cli tool?
[00:21] <BUGabundo> m1r: why do you need email?
[00:21] <TheFunkbomb> I'm nervous about that lol
[00:21] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: AFAIK... but u can test it
[00:22] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: if you append -d option it will upgrade right now
[00:22] <m1r> BUGabundo: to login to launchpad ?
[00:22] <Skapare> BUGabundo: bu having /home separate you can do a reformat, which ensures any bad files go away
[00:22] <TheFunkbomb> I'll just wait until tomorrow
[00:22] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: just remove any 3rd party sources
[00:22] <Skapare> by
[00:22] <loomsen> yes
[00:22] <BUGabundo> m1r: ahhh
[00:22] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: nothing will change - the release is already frozen.
[00:22] <BUGabundo> Skapare: False! the installer does that for you
[00:22] <loomsen> i have partitions / /boot /opt /usr /home
[00:22] <Z_God> wgrant, I understand what you mean
[00:22] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: if you want to upgrade existing installation then you can do it now
[00:22] <TheFunkbomb> Will I lose all my themes and stuff?
[00:23] <loomsen> jeez, depending what u did with thhem
[00:23] <Skapare> BUGabundo: how do you reformat a partition and keep one directory of files?
[00:23] <hggdh> the discussion about whether a single partition, or multiple, has raged for a long time. I use many
[00:23] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i don't have any system that isn't either LTS or 9.04 already :)
[00:23] <loomsen> if you have em in ~/.themes in your separate home part you wont
[00:23] <Z_God> wgrant, seems it's smth that is required for many good things in Qt, so it seems reasonable in one way, but I guess it can be annoying too sometimes
[00:23] <loomsen> (this is as far as i remember one of the first sentences in the getting started)
[00:23] <TheFunkbomb> so, for me to upgrade right now, it's "sudo -d do-release-upgrade"?
[00:24] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I think I've even removed all VMs with ubuntu so I can't check if it works without sudo. maybe you are right
[00:24] <BUGabundo> Skapare: easy, I select it NOT to format! the installer REMOVEs all system files
[00:24] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: For a desktop installation 'update-manager -d'
[00:24] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: launch a KVM/QEMU image?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> ehhehehehe
[00:24] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: either ``do-release-upgrade -d'' or ``sudo do-release-upgrade -d''
[00:24] <TheFunkbomb> well, which is it?
[00:24] <thiebaude> either
[00:24] <loomsen> update-manager -d if you want
[00:24] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: $ update-manager -d
[00:24] <TheFunkbomb> okay
[00:24] <BUGabundo> that's the ONE
[00:24] <TheFunkbomb> and I need to disable all third party?
[00:24] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: do-release-upgrade is for when you don't want a GUI.
[00:24] <Skapare> BUGabundo: reformat has in the past made the difference when merely deleting all files failed ... I stand by my recommendation to reformat ... and in some cases even suggest wiping the partition to binary zero before the format
[00:25] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: It will disable third-party repositories for you.
[00:25] <TheFunkbomb> okay
[00:25] <TheFunkbomb> I'm going to try
[00:25] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: update-manager will launch GTK+ window and he has asked for cli command.
[00:25] <TheFunkbomb> brb
[00:25] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: not that you need, but its better
[00:25] <mattwj2002> my new ubuntu install is going to be 64 bit :)
[00:25] <loomsen> ^^
[00:25] <kklimonda> mattwj2002: do you have 4GB of ram?
[00:25] <mattwj2002> yup
[00:25] <TheFunkbomb> I assume I should shut everything down first?
[00:25] <TheFunkbomb> like firefox and IRC
[00:25] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: have you read the release notes?
[00:25] <mattwj2002> exactly 4 GB actually
[00:25] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[00:25] <TheFunkbomb> I have not
[00:25] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: Most things except Firefox should keep running fine.
[00:26] <loomsen> www.opera.com
[00:26] <Skapare> BUGabundo: its all part of the absolute assurance factor ... but then ... I do farms of servers ... I have to BE SURE more so than most people, I guess
[00:26] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: then that's the FIRST thing you should do. the second is a backup
[00:26]  * BUGabundo slaps loomsen for free pub
[00:27] <BUGabundo> Skapare: I would have to agree on that
[00:27] <BUGabundo> but we are talking on single user Desktop here
[00:27] <Skapare> BUGabundo: but do we at least agree that people should have 2 or more away-from-the-machine backups of their important data?
[00:27] <jimqode> when is 9.04 going to be released? And  please don't hurt me if this is not the right channel
[00:27] <BUGabundo> Skapare: only two ? lol
[00:27] <kklimonda> jimqode: in the next 24 hours.
[00:27] <loomsen> pff, opera is best
[00:27] <BUGabundo> jimqode: come one! why kill anohter bunny?
[00:27] <Skapare> BUGabundo: what number do you suggest?
[00:27] <TheFunkbomb> screw it.  I'm going for it
[00:27] <TheFunkbomb> everything is backed up
[00:27] <loomsen> funk
[00:27] <loomsen> listen
[00:27] <TheFunkbomb> actually, let me back up everything again
[00:28] <loomsen> if you wont read anyway
[00:28] <Skapare> BUGabundo: I do have 4 backups of most things, myself ... 6 of some
[00:28] <kklimonda> heh
[00:28] <BUGabundo> brb /me gets a cookie
[00:28] <loomsen> create a /boot partition as ext3 about 800 MB or so
[00:28] <loomsen> another / of 20GB or so
[00:28] <loomsen> and a last one /home
[00:28] <kklimonda> loomsen: why does he need /boot ?
[00:28]  * Skapare made his /boot just ext2 ... didn't feel a journal was worth taking the space for it
[00:28] <loomsen> as big as ou want
[00:29] <TheFunkbomb> I'm backing up my home folder
[00:29]  * Skapare made his /boot only 125MB
[00:29] <kklimonda> it's all matter of preferences - 20GB for root is overkill in my opinion.. also 800mb for /boot is way too much..
[00:29] <loomsen> he doesnt need, but as ext4 doesnt really fully support grub it might happen that it wont start up anymore
[00:29] <kklimonda> loomsen: no
[00:29] <loomsen> Skap_ not everyone keeps his pc clean :)
[00:29] <Skapare> TheFunkbomb: do it twice while I duck in case BUGabundo hits me for not recommending 4 backups :)
[00:29]  * mattwj2002 a 1.5 TB root
[00:29] <kklimonda> loomsen: the only thing you must remember is to launch grub-install when you convert ext3 to ext4
[00:30] <Skapare> loomsen: oh ... yeah ... forgot about that
[00:30] <kklimonda> loomsen: then grub works as expected
[00:30] <TheFunkbomb> my external hdd is very noisy lately.  That can't be good
[00:30] <Skapare> TheFunkbomb: depends on the noise and its cause
[00:30] <shavlir> drop it off a tall building, that should shut it up :-)
[00:30] <thiebaude> lol
[00:30] <TheFunkbomb> lol
[00:30] <loomsen> lol
[00:31] <loomsen> that would work
[00:31] <Skapare> or do a burn-in ... in a ceramics kiln
[00:31] <Skapare> mash it under a steam roller
[00:32] <racecar56> back
[00:32] <loomsen> ok, to be somewhat helpful
[00:32] <loomsen> get smartmontools
[00:32] <TheFunkbomb> do you think it would be easier if I just did a fresh install and then copied my home folder back?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> guys! my recommendion on Partitions right NOW is a single / for all disk, with a 8 GiB of swap at the begginig of the disk, any one who disagrees, please state your reason!
[00:32] <BUGabundo> Skapare: backups are for wimps I do BZR on my stuff
[00:32] <loomsen> ←
[00:32] <racecar56> i use /home as a seprate
[00:32] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: 8GB for swap is way too much..
[00:33] <racecar56> i have 3.81 GB on my laptop
[00:33] <racecar56> swap
[00:33] <thiebaude> it is
[00:33] <loomsen> i'd go for sth like 50% of RAM
[00:33] <TheFunkbomb> I mean, I don't mind doing a fresh install if I can just copy stuff back from my external hdd
[00:33] <cowgarden> loomsen: 100% is better for hibernation
[00:33] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: that's the safest option.
[00:33] <loomsen> yes funky babe, this will work :)
[00:33]  * Skapare notices a 9.04 iso on an rsync server that isn't -rc- ... hmmm
[00:33] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: might be today, but not in the near future
[00:33] <TheFunkbomb> okay, I'll just download it.
[00:33] <loomsen> oh well, true
[00:33] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: why?
[00:33] <TheFunkbomb> burn it to a CD
[00:34] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: that's what I have with 4Gibs of RAM
[00:34] <BUGabundo> 2.5 times ehehe
[00:34] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: the only reason to keep 4GB of swap would be to enable hibernation
[00:34] <loomsen> lol never
[00:34] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i don't use swap at all
[00:34] <racecar56> what about 3.81 gb of swap?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> loomsen: with less then 1.5 time you won't hibernagte to disk
[00:34] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: and I have 4GB of ram
[00:34] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: thats about right since you said you have 4gb
[00:34] <Daskreech> Z_God: What don't you like about KDE4?
[00:34] <thiebaude> i only have 512 mb
[00:34] <loomsen> but it wont ever be that full
[00:34] <Skapare> mmm ... several 9.04 isos w/o -rc- ... along with the isos with -rc-
[00:35] <Skapare> so does that mean it's out now?
[00:35] <racecar56> o.o
[00:35] <loomsen> tho i dont use hibernation anyway
[00:35] <racecar56> look at ubuntu.com
[00:35] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: for KK we will have default for swap in file
[00:35] <kklimonda> Skapare: maybe mirrors are syncing..
[00:35] <Skapare> kklimonda: these look complete
[00:35] <loomsen> just get a netinstall image everyone
[00:35] <cowgarden> loomsen: hibernation is slower than restartin jaunty :)
[00:35] <loomsen> you'll be downloading the stuff anyway
[00:35] <dtchen> Skapare: rsyncing the appropriate images from cdimage or releases is sufficient
[00:35] <TheFunkbomb> I cannot find it
[00:35] <cowgarden> loomsen: at least on my SSDs
[00:35] <BUGabundo> cowgarden: not for me
[00:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: does it mean that we'll use tux-on-ice to enable hibernation without swap partition?
[00:36] <wgrant> Skapare: Those images are outdated, AFAICT. Remember that the RM preseeds mirrors a day or two before to make it quicker to push the final ones out.
[00:36] <BUGabundo> I use hibernate with compression
[00:36] <racecar56> "ubuntu 9.04 coming soon!" guess not
[00:36] <BUGabundo>  !daily | TheFunkbomb
[00:36] <cowgarden> BUGabundo: isnt that standard?
[00:36] <Skapare> dtchen: yeah ... so they can sync up fast ... and if you have the rc isos, you can too
[00:36] <loomsen> :) tried the new fedora cow?
[00:36] <Skapare> rsync rsync://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/ubuntu-iso/.pool/
[00:36] <loomsen> ← likes it
[00:36] <shavlir> !help
[00:36] <Z_God> Daskreech: it's not stable yet, but I only used 4.1
[00:36] <BUGabundo> cowgarden: no! I had to install uswpu
[00:36] <Z_God> maybe 4.2 will satisfy me ;)
[00:37] <cowgarden> BUGabundo: very intresting
[00:37] <racecar56> 3.x ftw
[00:37] <Daskreech> Z_God: Maybe :) It's very improved
[00:37] <racecar56> 3.5.x for big ftw
[00:37] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: rsync -vvhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/dvd/current/jaunty-dvd-i386.iso ~
[00:37] <Z_God> I missed middleclick in konq
[00:37] <Z_God> VS left click
[00:37] <Daskreech> racecar56: Shouldn't that be for big win
[00:37] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: when will you get 9.10?
[00:38] <racecar56> Daskreech, yeah
[00:38] <TheFunkbomb> I have no idea what that is
[00:38] <racecar56> thiebaude, oct 2009
[00:38] <Daskreech> What does middle click do?
[00:38] <TheFunkbomb> I'm already downloading an iso from your other link
[00:38] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: As soon as I can
[00:38] <loomsen> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[00:38] <Daskreech> Other than paste :-)
[00:38] <loomsen> get the mini isp
[00:38] <thiebaude> racecar56: yea i know that :)
[00:38] <loomsen> iso
[00:38] <racecar56> ill get 9.10 if my gfx card dosent puke again
[00:38] <Z_God>  Daskreech: open a file in an external application
[00:38] <tty> HI!
[00:38] <racecar56> hi
[00:38] <kklimonda> thiebaude: i'll install it in vm as soon as possible and then i'll wait till last alpha to upgrade my system.
[00:38] <tty> im curious if tomorrows release will improve acpi control of netbooks
[00:39] <kklimonda> tty: probably not
[00:39] <loomsen> lol never
[00:39] <BUGabundo> tty: no
[00:39] <tty> fc
[00:39] <Daskreech> Z_God: Ah didn't know that. everything that I wanted to open in Konqueror did so anything I didn't want didn't
[00:39] <thiebaude> when it first comes out i will start testing it
[00:39] <loomsen> google for intel driver netbook
[00:39] <Daskreech> racecar56: Try the live CD
[00:39] <racecar56> Daskreech, ......of what?
[00:39] <Daskreech> Jackalope
[00:39] <Daskreech> 9.04
[00:39] <racecar56> Daskreech, i have a real 9.04 :P
[00:39] <kklimonda> tty: unless you are upgrading from 8.10 then there is a chance you will get better support.\\
[00:39] <tty> kklimonda: okay..
[00:39] <racecar56> Daskreech, i upgraded from 8.10 yesterday
[00:39] <tty> im on debian 5
[00:40] <Z_God> Daskreech: it's handy to be able to choose between a kpart and an external app :)
[00:40] <tty> what i would love to have is cpu scaling and disk spin down stuff
[00:40] <Daskreech> racecar56: and the video card puked?
[00:40] <loomsen> keep deb tty
[00:40] <loomsen> or try fedora
[00:40] <tty> also, sensing brightness control
[00:40] <tty> when i plug the machine out of ac i want the brightness down half
[00:40] <racecar56> Daskreech, before i upgraded, after it was fixed i upgraded
[00:40] <tty> you know what im sayin?
[00:40] <Daskreech> Z_God: with middle click :) cause you can do that now
[00:40] <loomsen> yes
[00:40] <tty> nc10 does not seem to be supported much
[00:41] <tty> loomsen: heh
[00:41] <tty> why should i keep deb? ;)
[00:41] <racecar56> Daskreech, i made a report on launchpad but it got fixed right after :P
[00:41] <Z_God> Daskreech: that's great :)
[00:41] <drinkycrow> is jaunty official yet?
[00:41] <loomsen> aptitude install power-manager?
[00:41] <Daskreech> racecar56: Ah so welcome to Jackalope then
[00:41] <BUGabundo> drinkycrow: NO
[00:41] <racecar56> drinkycrow, no
[00:41] <racecar56> drinkycrow, its in rc
[00:41] <BUGabundo> drinkycrow: and you killed yet another bunny
[00:41] <sint> i hope 9.04 will fix every but i've ever had :D
[00:41] <BUGabundo> racecar56: False!
[00:41] <sint> bug i mean
[00:41] <sint> :D
[00:41] <racecar56> Daskreech, yeah, it's pretty cool
[00:41] <BUGabundo> racecar56: it's a bit above RC
[00:41] <Daskreech> sint: It will and add fully new ones
[00:41] <tty> loomsen: ill try that
[00:41]  * drinkycrow loves bunnies
[00:41] <loomsen> sint: another half a year to go
[00:41] <racecar56> BUGabundo, ORLY? tomorrow it comes out
[00:41]  * racecar56 has 9.04rc
[00:41] <Daskreech> racecar56: It's my fave release since Feisty
[00:41] <BUGabundo> sint: did you file bugs for all probs you had?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> racecar56: no. just check cdimage and you will  see the changes past RC
[00:42] <sint> Daskreech: hehe, than i should skip 9.04 and install 9.10 :D
[00:42] <racecar56> Daskreech, i never known about ubuntu until hardy
[00:42] <Daskreech> sint: :-)
[00:42] <racecar56> Daskreech, i found out about it in june 2008
[00:42] <BUGabundo> been using it since 5.10
[00:42] <loomsen> you should
[00:42] <racecar56> wow cool
[00:43] <Daskreech> racecar56: Welcome to Kubuntu then :)
[00:43] <racecar56> i have a copy of 5.10 i dont know why though
[00:43] <BUGabundo> I have a wall full with older releases
[00:43] <sint> BUGabundo: no, cause most of them where already in the list
[00:43] <loomsen> actually, imho this is a very very disappointing ltr
[00:43] <racecar56> i downloaded it a few months ago
[00:43] <Daskreech> ltr?
[00:43] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: i do too
[00:43] <cowgarten> I started with hardy beta (but used another distri before a bit)
[00:43] <thiebaude> since 6.06
[00:43] <racecar56> cool
[00:43] <racecar56> i have all of the oldies, from 4.10 to 7.10
[00:44] <BUGabundo> humm I started way before... did the al shabang: red hat, knopix, kurumim, etc
[00:44] <racecar56> i have my first ubuntu disc, it's 8.04.0
[00:44] <TheFunkbomb> 16 minutes remaining on this download.  Then I have to transfer it because my stupid CD burner is broken
[00:44] <racecar56> same
[00:44] <loomsen> guess i'm gonna run it till fedora releases 11 and then say bye to ubuntu
[00:44] <Daskreech> racecar56: Jackalope has a nice KDE4 setup and an optional 3.5 so should go ov er pretty well
[00:44] <BUGabundo> racecar56: I envy you! I want a 4.10
[00:44] <lucax> hey guys im on jaunty and have intel x3100 gma... compiz doesnt work do i have to enable something??
[00:44]  * Daskreech started with Redhat 4.2
[00:44] <racecar56> my cd drive -=HHHAAATEESSSSS=- to burn cds
[00:44] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: do you have an USB?
[00:44] <thiebaude> BUGabundo: i was windows for a long time, until 1 yr ago
[00:44] <racecar56> BUGabundo, easy
[00:44] <racecar56> BUGabundo, http://old-releases.ubuntu.com
[00:44] <TheFunkbomb> BUGabundo, I'll just transfer it via file share
[00:44] <BUGabundo> racecar56: you will email me a copy?
[00:45] <BUGabundo> with the original sleave?
[00:45] <kklimonda> lucax: there are some regressions in intel driver.. may be that your card is blacklisted
[00:45] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: NO.. put the image into a USB and boot from ti
[00:45] <BUGabundo> *it
[00:45] <racecar56> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso ubuntu 4.10
[00:45] <lucax> kklimonda, any ideas what can i do?
[00:45] <TheFunkbomb> BUGabundo, that will work?
[00:45] <Skapare> racecar56: then use a USB memory stick
[00:45] <TheFunkbomb> I gotta clear the porn off of it first
[00:45] <cowgarten> I need the fucking adobe suits, otherwise I'd say goodbye to winshit forever
[00:45] <racecar56> Skapare, tats what i do
[00:45] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: that's how I boot ubuntu most of the time
[00:45] <Idespnnr> lucax:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance may help
[00:45] <loomsen> lucax: google= ubuntu intel <enter your card here>
[00:45] <Skapare> racecar56: me too
[00:45] <thiebaude> !language
[00:46] <racecar56> Skapare, my cd drives HATE me
[00:46] <Idespnnr> i got dinged pretty hard by the intel regressions
[00:46] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: see System -> admin -> make usb
[00:46] <Idespnnr> i eventually rolled back the driver version
[00:46] <kklimonda> lucax: if it's blacklisted than that's because of serious bugs in driver. you should wait for update
[00:46] <Idespnnr> now it seems to behave
[00:46] <racecar56> Skapare, even this external one, they all burn cds like a 4x
[00:46] <TheFunkbomb> okey dokey
[00:46] <loomsen> lde
[00:46] <racecar56> xD
[00:46] <sint> cowgarten: will never happen
[00:46] <loomsen> get 2.6.29
[00:46] <racecar56> i want it
[00:46] <racecar56> :(
[00:46] <cowgarten> I had to burn a CD since my old computer hates to remember it's bios and USB sitcks in general
[00:46] <loomsen> kms is enabled by default for intels
[00:46] <thiebaude> loomsen: got a link for 2.6.29?
[00:46] <racecar56> all my comps can boot usb
[00:47] <Skapare> racecar56: at USB speed and DVD rates, 4x is about all that can be done
[00:47] <racecar56> but none of them can burn
[00:47] <loomsen> even worked out of the box with nouveau n my nvidia
[00:47] <Skapare> racecar56: I do get faster on my internal SATA one
[00:47] <TheFunkbomb> I got an 8 gig USB stick for 20 bucks
[00:47] <loomsen> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[00:47] <kklimonda> lucax: but it may be possible that you are affected by some other bug that prevents compiz from launching
[00:47] <racecar56> Skapare, :( i wish i had a sata cdrom, i have ide, NOOOOOOOOO
[00:47] <kklimonda> lucax: enable Terminal and then do..
[00:47] <Skapare> TheFunkbomb: I got 2 of them for $19 each :)
[00:47] <cowgarten> sint: I fear you're right. but maybe crossplatformengines will become good enough one day so huge programs like adobes will be released on it
[00:47] <BUGabundo> I'm thinking of getting a bunch of 1G sticks and put jaunty on it to give away
[00:47] <racecar56> Skapare, i have sata hard disks, however
[00:47] <Skapare> TheFunkbomb: and a 16 for $40
[00:48] <TheFunkbomb> well, that's pretty much the same price
[00:48] <Daskreech> racecar56: So you downloaded the KDE3.5 RC cd?
[00:48] <TheFunkbomb> if my math is correct
[00:48] <racecar56> Daskreech, no
[00:48] <racecar56> Daskreech, i use gnome
[00:48] <Skapare> racecar56: sata rulez ... for now
[00:48] <Daskreech> racecar56: ah shame :)
[00:48] <lucax> kklimonda, yeah they said they have problems with intel on beta... but not on rc...
[00:48] <coz_> scsi is better :)
[00:48] <racecar56> Skapare, what the... actually i DO have sata cdrom
[00:49] <sint> cowgarten: i started to kick windows off the system and run it within vmware, so i can use adobe stuff when i need it, but i don't have to do any reboots :)
[00:49] <kklimonda> lucax: run terminal and then do ``/usr/bin/compiz --replace''
[00:49] <Skapare> racecar56: then it should be able to go faster
[00:49] <sint> cowgarten: i don't really like the wine <> adobe stuff
[00:49] <racecar56> Skapare, as fast as a mitumi
[00:49] <racecar56> Skapare, as fast as a mitsumi
[00:49] <kklimonda> lucax: you should get some informations about status of compiz support..
[00:49] <Skapare> racecar56: the x rate isn't the same between CD and DVD
[00:49] <racecar56> Skapare, i kno
[00:49] <racecar56> Skapare, but one thing: my cd drive burns as fast as a mitsumi
[00:49] <cowgarten> sint: I need full power for some projects :) (and currently I have only 1gig RAM :( )
[00:50] <BUGabundo> coz_: Skapare: SSD is better
[00:50] <Skapare> racecar56: and I have found DVD media more reliable than CD media, so when I do need to use opticals, I just do DVD
[00:50] <BUGabundo> even better RAID0 SSD
[00:50] <racecar56> Skapare, i dont have enough dvds
[00:50] <coz_> BUGabundo, :)  solid state
[00:50] <lucax> kklimonda, http://paste.ubuntu.com/156217/
[00:50] <racecar56> Skapare, my cd drive is an atapi dh16a1s
[00:50] <lucax> or anyone! http://paste.ubuntu.com/156217/
[00:50] <Skapare> BUGabundo: yeah, still expensive, but that's the way I'm going when I get a netbook (soon)
[00:50] <coz_> BUGabundo,  i agree
[00:50] <sint> cowgarten: ya, you need to double the ram. for the rest its ok if you not do to much stuff in linux. i can even use my wacom in windows smoothly
[00:51] <racecar56> i have a laptop and a desktop, all ill have for now
[00:51] <sint> cowgarten: but i only have 3gigs of ram :(
[00:51] <cowgarten> sint: cool
[00:51] <racecar56> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/ free ubuntu 4.10 for ANYONE
[00:51] <kklimonda> lucax: your card is blacklisted - you must wait for an update
[00:51] <coz_> BUGabundo,  especially the intel SSD with 2,000,000 hours
[00:51] <racecar56> sint, omg i only have 2gb
[00:51] <cowgarten> I sint I will double my ram 4shure
[00:51] <Stupendoussteve> lucax: The intel card is blacklisted due to a bug
[00:51] <racecar56> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ all the old releases
[00:51] <Skapare> racecar56: I just have DVD drives ... they double as CD drives for me ... all are LG brand ... IDE in one machine, SATA in another, and a USB external for misc uses
[00:51] <loomsen> lucax, ghet the new kernel
[00:52] <pwnguin> sint: ive got 1gig of ram and ubuntu works just fine on my wacom...
[00:52] <loomsen> your only way
[00:52] <lucax> loomsen, where
[00:52] <cowgarten> Skapare: I think DVDs have their data layer between the plastic, not right beneath the label as CDs
[00:52] <Skapare> racecar56: but every machine now has USB jacks and memory card slots, and those are more convenient
[00:52] <fincan> any new about the release?
[00:52] <cowgarten> pwnguin: it's about wacom + vmware
[00:52] <loomsen> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[00:52] <Stupendoussteve> lucax, loomsen compiz is the one blacklisting the card
[00:52] <g4lv4tr0n> just noticed countdown on ubuntu site has now changed from 1 day to go to coming soon
[00:52] <Idespnnr> kklimonda: are we waiting on intel for an update? the xorg-intel dev team?
[00:52] <racecar56> Skapare, actually i have dvd dual layer
[00:52] <pwnguin> cowgarten: well, thats just nuts
[00:52] <loomsen> oh i see
[00:52] <racecar56> Skapare, thats what my cd drive is
[00:52] <sint> pwnguin: ya but if you run windows inside of ubuntu then it lags with photoshop and stuff when having just 1gig of ram
[00:52] <loomsen> *ignore me then*
[00:52] <cowgarten> pwnguin: I needz Adobe
[00:52] <lucax> so maybe on -30 kernel it will be fiexed??
[00:53] <loomsen> read changelogs
[00:53] <sint> pwnguin: its nearly unusable
[00:53] <kklimonda> lucax: it's not kernel issue
[00:53] <Skapare> cowgarten: yes, and DVD still use azo dyes whereas CDs quit doing azo dyes a while back (azo is more expensive)
[00:53] <racecar56> =_= i wish my cd drive didnt suck, what's wrong with it?
[00:53] <racecar56> i dont know
[00:53] <kklimonda> lucax: you are probably affected by this bug: bug #359392
[00:53] <Skapare> cowgarten: blu-ray, though, has new issues ... data too close to the recording surface
[00:53] <lucax> so maybe tomorrow after ubuntu release ill be all done with this
[00:53] <racecar56> yay im on a secret irc channel now XD
[00:53] <Qrawl> wheres the release party channel
[00:53] <racecar56> #359392
[00:53] <racecar56> haha
[00:53] <loomsen> lol
[00:54] <kklimonda> Idespnnr: I don't know who is the upstream developer is.
[00:54] <cowgarten> Skapare: I'll stick to USB-sticks SSD and external drives. cheap enough these days
[00:54] <Skapare> OK, well my 9.04 non-rc download is done ... gotta convert it to hyprid for the USB, then go install to laptop
[00:54] <racecar56> lets see how many people will join my irc channel......
[00:54] <racecar56> xD
[00:54] <Qrawl> Make a Release-Party channel
[00:54] <racecar56> #ubuntu-release-party
[00:54] <loomsen> the control + R channel
[00:54] <loomsen> :D
[00:54] <cowgarten> thre is
[00:54] <Skapare> cowgarten: I have like 7 TB of data ... SSD is still to much for that
[00:55] <Stupendoussteve> lucax: I doubt it will be fixed by release, but it will be fixed.
[00:55] <Qrawl> ty
[00:55] <racecar56> #ctrl+r NOW there is!
[00:55] <slinger> is there a list of current bugs anywhere?
[00:55] <racecar56> join it
[00:55] <racecar56> #ctrl+r
[00:55] <Stupendoussteve> lucax: It is possible to ignore the blacklist if you aren't having issues
[00:55] <lucax> Stupendoussteve, thats sad
[00:55] <loomsen> lol
[00:55] <sint> slinger: i think so ;)
[00:55] <racecar56> #ctrl+r
[00:55] <cowgarten> Skapare: indeed. I need more space sooon :) (or have to organize my drives better)
[00:55] <racecar56> ill sotp now
[00:55] <lucax> Stupendoussteve, how do i ignore blacklist?
[00:55] <racecar56> *stop
[00:55] <BUGabundo> slinger: yes
[00:55] <cowgarten> Skapare: how did you fill 7TB?
[00:55] <Stupendoussteve> lucax: See http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist - If you do ignore it, and get freezes, I suggest ignoring it again
[00:56] <BUGabundo> slinger: the techincal over view and release notes have a list of prio bugs
[00:56] <BUGabundo> slinger: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[00:56] <slinger> BUGabundo, thanks
[00:56] <racecar56> but it isnt released O_o
[00:56] <lucax> k Stupendoussteve thanks ill give it a shot
[00:56] <BUGabundo> slinger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[00:57] <racecar56> OMG it wants only 256 MB ram????? requirements have LOWERED!
[00:57] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[00:57] <BUGabundo> it used to be 384
[00:57] <racecar56> yeah
[00:57] <racecar56> WOOT
[00:57] <BUGabundo> but now you can install it from boot
[00:57] <BUGabundo> without the need for desktop
[00:57] <racecar56> maybe i should try 9.04 on my compaq presario sr1020nx LOLOL
[00:57] <racecar56> i thought you could do that scince hardy
[00:57] <cjae> hello everyone
[00:57] <racecar56> hai
[00:58] <loomsen> lol jeez, still searching the channel :D confess racecar, you punked me
[00:59] <racecar56> #ctrl+r and #359392
[01:00] <cowgarten> good night I' leaving
[01:00] <cjae> ok I dont know much about pulse audio, I have an intel ich5 ac 97 onboard and a cm9738 pci card, after an update I dont have sound would I still be using alsa or would it be pulse (using kubuntu 9.04)
[01:00] <racecar56> what is the topic talking about "NOT aUPPORTED!"
[01:00] <racecar56> O_o
[01:01] <kklimonda> racecar56: it's still not released.
[01:01] <BUGabundo> racecar56: go with xubuntu. gnome is to heavy for it
[01:01] <racecar56> kklimonda, no, look, it says "aUPPORTED" and anyway, xfce sucks
[01:01] <loomsen> <-- running pulse without any issues for a cpl o days now
[01:01] <BUGabundo> loomsen: no! its real. I'm there
[01:01] <racecar56> kklimonda, i dont like xfce cause it craps with wine
[01:01] <racecar56> xfce + wine = disaster
[01:01] <racecar56> brb
[01:02] <Halow> I've not tried wine with xubuntu yet... perhaps I should.
[01:02]  * Skapare is trying to decide whether to install amd64 or i386 ... on a laptop with 1GB of RAM
[01:03] <Halow> 64 bit tends to use more RAM on me.
[01:03] <drinkycrow> lol
[01:03] <drinkycrow> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled by default in Xorg
[01:03] <loomsen> u should rather take your chip into consideration
[01:03] <Halow> There's that too...
[01:03] <drinkycrow> to eliminate the problem of accidentally triggering the key combination.
[01:03] <loomsen> Option DontZao 0
[01:03] <drinkycrow> yeah
[01:03] <loomsen> DontZap 0
[01:03] <Stupendoussteve> Skapare: Use i386, 64 bit uses more ram and is often a bit more work
[01:03] <loomsen> but i agree
[01:03] <loomsen> sux
[01:03] <drinkycrow> i have to wonder how someone accidentally ctrl alt backspaces
[01:04] <loomsen> stupe, i love my nearly 32bit free OS a lot 8)
[01:04] <loomsen> ^^
[01:04]  * foogmaa hasn't used 32-bit since 2005
[01:05] <Halow> It's hard. I need my ZSNES.
[01:05] <loomsen> *IN LOVE*
[01:05] <Halow> Which seems to not want 64-bit at all.
[01:05] <BUGabundo>  !dontzap | drinkycrow
[01:05] <Stupendoussteve> loomsen: I don't love an OS, that would be weird.
[01:05] <loomsen> create a chroot for it halow
[01:05] <BUGabundo> drinkycrow: IF you had read the release notes you would know that already
[01:05] <Stupendoussteve> There's also no noticeable difference in general
[01:05] <pwnguin> Halow: what about snes9x?
[01:06] <drinkycrow> clearly that's what i was reading
[01:06] <drinkycrow> my point was that i have to wonder how someone accidentally ctrl alt backspaces
[01:06] <pwnguin> drinkycrow: emacs
[01:06] <pwnguin> fat fingering control+alt_delete
[01:06] <loomsen> lol
[01:06] <BUGabundo> pwnguin: eheh
[01:06] <Stupendoussteve> Someone on IRC tells them to hit it :)
[01:06] <pwnguin> heh
[01:07] <drinkycrow> has sudo rm -rf / been disabled too?
[01:07] <loomsen> rofl
[01:07] <loomsen> give it a go
[01:07] <Flynsarmy> Is cgmail fixed in jaunty? it never started with the pc in intrepid
[01:07] <pwnguin> "quick check out this cool new easter egg in ubuntu: shift alt printscreen k! lolololz"
[01:07] <Halow> pwnguin: Some of the games that run fine with ZSNES seem to have strange effects going on. But forcing the 32-bit on 64-bit makes other strange effects, so...
[01:07] <loomsen> you'll be surprised
[01:07] <hggdh> drinkycrow, yes, it is disabled by default
[01:07] <LjL> drinkycrow: yes, since a few versions.
[01:07] <loomsen> löl
[01:07] <drinkycrow> lol
[01:08] <loomsen> halow: chroot
[01:08] <yoasif> is there a MOTU channel?
[01:08] <pwnguin> yoasif: yes.
[01:08] <Halow> loomsen: I'll have to look into that, thanks.
[01:08] <loomsen> yw
[01:08] <Stupendoussteve> Yes, #ubuntu-motu
[01:08] <yoasif> thanks pwnguin and Stupendoussteve
[01:09] <pwnguin> yoasif: you like the daily show
[01:09] <pwnguin> ?
[01:09] <loomsen> anyobe messed with btrfs yet?
[01:09] <yoasif> pwnguin: yes
[01:10] <jeiworth> yoasif: really? is t stable?
[01:10] <Skapare> Stupendoussteve: OK ... then I'll try 64-bit first ... then 32-bit ... so I can see how both behave and end up with 32-bit on there
[01:10] <yoasif> loomsen: i replied to pwnguin sorry, havent messed with btrfs
[01:12] <Flynsarmy> Have the drivers for 64-bit caught up yet? Are there any gaping holes in software that isn't available on 64-bit?
[01:12] <loomsen> no
[01:12] <yoasif> supposedly 64bit is now good
[01:13] <BUGabundo> 64 bits as been good for a couple release
[01:13] <yoasif> i still wouldn't mess with it unless i had more than 4gb ram, but thats just me
[01:13] <Flynsarmy> Is there any noticable speed increase? i've read ppl both saying its faster and its not faster
[01:13] <foogmaa> it's faster if you do a lot of CPU stuff like 3D or encoding
[01:13] <Halow> 64-bit xubuntu does alright on my measley 2gig ram.
[01:13] <mrNotYou> how long till jaunty comes out?:s
[01:14] <Halow> !outyet | mrNotYou
[01:14] <Skapare> BUGabundo: in 8.10 a bug in the network-manager that would lose WEP keys got fixed in a security update in 32-bit but the same security update in 64-bit didn't fix it
[01:14] <Skapare> BUGabundo: but in 9.04 it works fine in both
[01:15] <TheFunkbomb> okay, I'm making my USB start up disk.  If this doesn't work, I just want you all to know that I love you
[01:15] <BUGabundo> Skapare: really? I wonder if asac messed it up !
[01:15] <Skapare> BUGabundo: no idea
[01:15] <stooj> Hello folks
[01:15] <BUGabundo> TheFunkbomb: we love you back too... specially if you have a cure syster
[01:15] <shavlir> !hi
[01:16] <loomsen> flyn: its not faster, its wider
[01:16] <TheFunkbomb> um
[01:16] <BUGabundo> home of crazy ppl and bad bots
[01:16] <Skapare> BUGabundo: what I noticed was, after I updated network-manager, then it had the right key ... I did not have to re-enter it ... so it seems to have saved it OK, just not read it correctly
[01:16] <faileas> we wouldn't mind a cute sister either ;p
[01:16] <BUGabundo> loomsen: faster stronger better
[01:16] <TheFunkbomb> lol
[01:16] <loomsen> imagine a highway, it doesnt make a difference if 10 cars pass per hr
[01:16] <dash|x58> is there a way to install drivers for a monitor?
[01:16] <loomsen> it does tho in the rush hr
[01:16] <dash|x58> on ubuntu
[01:16] <TheFunkbomb> and here we go
[01:16] <Skapare> BUGabundo: it always got some bogus key ... and it was the same key every time and same between 32 bit and 64 bit
[01:17] <Skapare> BUGabundo: maybe it was Canonical's office wireless key :)
[01:17] <BUGabundo> dash|x58: usually monitors don't use drivers. but they are detected by xorg ,and some pass along bad EEID data
[01:17] <BUGabundo> Skapare: LOL
[01:17] <Skapare> BUGabundo: but I'm not worried now since it worked in 9.04-rc ... and trying 9.04 now
[01:18] <dash|x58> ive having trouble just increasing my resolution
[01:19] <shavlir> !resolution
[01:19] <shavlir> I wish ubottu was mroe helpful
[01:19] <shavlir> I want him to fix all the bugs too!
[01:19] <dash|x58> really, i've read that whole page already
[01:20] <dash|x58> i dont know how to work with xorg.conf
[01:20] <loomsen> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:20] <loomsen> and paste it here
[01:20] <BUGabundo> loomsen: NO NO NO
[01:20] <Halow> !paste
[01:20] <loomsen> lol
[01:20] <BUGabundo> not here PLEASE
[01:20] <BUGabundo> don't flood us any more then its already
[01:20] <dash|x58> ok
[01:20] <loomsen> at the pastebin it should read
[01:22] <A|i> is it out yet?
[01:22] <shavlir> no
[01:22] <A|i> it's 23rd
[01:22] <TheMagician> well, my computer can't boot from USB
[01:22] <BUGabundo> TheMagician: LOLOL
[01:22] <dash|x58> http://paste.ubuntu.com/156230/
[01:22] <TheMagician> What the heck?  This is not my name
[01:22] <BUGabundo> and bonus +1 for the new nick TheMagician
[01:23] <Halow> TheMagician: Is it enabled in your BIOS? Or... is it really unable?
[01:23] <TheMagician> hold on
[01:23] <TheMagician> Peas and crackers
[01:23] <dash|x58> thats my xorg.conf file
[01:23]  * dash|x58 has no idea how to configure xorg.conf lol
[01:24] <sahak> where can I download Ubuntu 9.04?
[01:24] <dougb> does anyone think the ISO of the nightly build they have up will be the same build for the official release?
[01:24] <dash|x58> my monitor could hit up to 1680x1050
[01:24] <Halow> !daily | sahak
[01:24] <shavlir> if you are going to mess around with xorg.conf, make sure you make backup first
[01:24] <dash|x58> yeah
[01:24] <TheFunkbomb> I have no idea why it keeps using that name
[01:24] <dash|x58> anyone know anything about automatix?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> dougb: I would be on it
[01:25] <shavlir> you know you can just type /nick TheFunkbomb, right?
[01:25] <stooj> dash|x58, yes.
[01:25] <BUGabundo> dash|x58: DON'T please don't! its DEAD and EVIL
[01:25] <TheFunkbomb> yeah but I can't remember my password lol
[01:25] <TheFunkbomb> it's stored in xchat
[01:25] <shavlir> ah
[01:25] <dash|x58> okay..
[01:25] <dash|x58> i really cant do anything with 800x600
[01:25] <dash|x58> :[
[01:25] <yoasif> automatix is pretty dead... medibuntu repo does pretty much anything you'd need
[01:25] <TheFunkbomb> I wish I could fix that so it won't do that anymore
[01:26] <dash|x58> medibuntu?
[01:26] <stooj> !medibuntu
[01:26] <racecar56> back again
[01:26] <Halow> TheFunkbomb: That's probably set in Xchat too.
[01:26] <racecar56> mine can go to 1680x1050 also
[01:26] <stooj> dash|x58, what the others have said though. automatix (and ultimatix, it's successor) are best avoided
[01:27] <TheFunkbomb> Yeah, I'm about to crash my computer so it doesn't really matter I guess
[01:27] <A|i> !release
[01:28] <Daskreech> !karmic
[01:28] <brodie> are there any known issues with python2.6's sys.path configuration in 9.04?
[01:28] <brodie> or more specifically: why is site-packages gone from the path?
[01:28] <brodie> and why does distutils still install into site-packages?
[01:29] <yoasif> brodie: sounds like you found a bug
[01:29] <dash|x58> so anyone know how to set resolutions in xorg.conf?
[01:29] <dash|x58> all the howto's i've looked through don't make sense at all
[01:29] <yoasif> talk to kklimonda, he helped me with a python related issue before
[01:30] <Leemp> So 9.04 will be download-able tomorrow right?
[01:30] <dash|x58> i already have 9.04
[01:30] <yoasif> Leemp: at some point, yes
[01:30] <racecar56> i also have 9.04
[01:30] <dash|x58> just sudo update-manager -d
[01:30] <kklimonda> yoasif: sure - what problem do you have now?
[01:30] <joan_0> I have a problem with Ubuntu Jaunty for netbook. When I start with USB the boot stops and show (initramfs) promt. What is this ?
[01:30] <kklimonda> yes* :)
[01:30] <Leemp> dash|x58: I'm going to be doing a full format, so that wont work ;)
[01:30] <loomsen> @ python
[01:30] <dash|x58> well, download the iso at the website
[01:30] <Leemp> dash|x58: and yes, i could probably just install the RC and update, but blech.
[01:31] <yoasif> kklimonda: brodie is having a distutils issue with python
[01:31] <Leemp> dash|x58: The official isn't out yet, is it?
[01:31] <Leemp> dash|x58: I didnt see it
[01:31] <dash|x58> yeah it is
[01:31] <loomsen> echo 'export PYTHONPATH=/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages' >> .profile
[01:31] <dash|x58> its on the main site.
[01:31] <joan_0> I tried with 2 USB, and I have checked the md5sum, anyone knows what is the problem ?
[01:31] <kklimonda> brodie: there was a big change in sys.path in Python 2.6 in both debian and jaunty
[01:31] <dash|x58> if anything you can still do a complete install with 8.10 through the upgrade.
[01:31] <Leemp> dash|x58: heh, they didnt update the index page then.. as they are talking about using the RC.
[01:32] <kklimonda> brodie: in nutshell - instead of site-packages you have dist-package and default installation patch for "custom" modules is /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ instead of /usr/lib/python...
[01:32] <Leemp> dash|x58: Even the download page is purely RC. :p
[01:32] <Leemp> dash|x58: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[01:32] <kklimonda> brodie: but it shouldn't be a problem if you use distribution setuptools as they are patched to work with this layout.
[01:32] <brodie> kklimonda: is this documented anywhere? what was the rationale? and why does distutils still install into site-packages?
[01:33] <leftyfb> Is there any type of live feed for the jaunty release? Either download numbers of bandwidth or comments or something? We're going to have an LED sign at our release party and would like something live updated on it.
[01:33] <BUGabundo> dash|x58: don't use SUDO with UM
[01:33] <kklimonda> brodie: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com/msg05489.html - i think this is the best link
[01:33] <dash|x58> sudo with um?
[01:33] <kklimonda> brodie: what distutils do you use?
[01:33] <dash|x58> update manager?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> joan_0: there are a few of those bugs around
[01:33] <BUGabundo> check LP and you will find a recent one
[01:34] <dash|x58> why not?
[01:34] <BUGabundo> dash|x58: why use it ?
[01:34] <joan_0> my bug BUGabundo ? I can't find in LP, go to se now again
[01:34] <dash|x58> well, thats the command i read to use
[01:34] <BUGabundo> dash|x58: where?
[01:35] <Leemp> dash|x58: They mention it here: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-desktop , but the download page they point you to only has 9.04. I'm not complaining, just saying that its not fully out hehe
[01:35] <brodie> kklimonda: just vanilla distutils shipped with ubuntu
[01:35] <loomsen> guys, i had that problem after building compiz from giz
[01:35] <Leemp> dash|x58: Oh n/m, i was thinking today was the 23rd. So yea, officially, i don't see any mention of 9.04 non-RC :P
[01:35] <kklimonda> brodie: try passing --install-layout=deb to python setup.py install
[01:35] <loomsen> ln -s /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages /usr/local/lib/python2.6/
[01:36] <loomsen> add the line i posted earlier to your profile and log out
[01:36] <joan_0> I wait for final release, I hope it works :( byes !
[01:36] <Leemp> Question: On a side note, has the ext4 data loss bug been fixed?
[01:36] <wirechief> joan_0:  for usb booting issues check here https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/363038
[01:36] <dash|x58> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:36] <brodie> kklimonda: i'm not really interested in a workaround, but more about the functionality itself. i'm troubleshooting an issue a user is having with a python program i distribute
[01:36] <Leemp> is Ext4 safe to use now?
[01:37] <loomsen> NO
[01:37] <dash|x58> does that even work on 9.04
[01:37] <loomsen> dont reconfigure
[01:37] <loomsen> you wont reconfigure anything
[01:37] <brodie> kklimonda: would you not consider it a bug that distutils is configured to install into a path that isn't in sys.path?
[01:37] <loomsen> you'd deconfigure
[01:37] <dash|x58> dude, the problem is i dont even know how to configure it
[01:37] <dash|x58> lol
[01:37] <kklimonda> brodie: the reasoning is that modules installed by user shouldn't override those provided by a distribution so they go to /usr/local/
[01:38] <brodie> kklimonda: i understand that. i should clarify that the setup.py script actually sets --prefix=/usr/local
[01:38] <joan_0> 9.04 RC does not boot from usb disk. OK ! thx !
[01:38] <joan_0> Is not my problem, is a bug
[01:38] <joan_0> thx
[01:38] <dash|x58> i think im about to install xp on my ubuntu machine
[01:38] <wirechief> joan_0: i posted a quick fix on that bug
[01:38] <dash|x58> lol
[01:38] <JDShewey> I am having trouble with jaunty+catalyst 9.4+Radeon X600
[01:38] <JDShewey> Has anyone else reported issues with this?
[01:38] <shavlir> dash|x58: have you read this?http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[01:39] <yoasif> dash|x58: you're insane!
[01:39] <dash|x58> thats what people say...
[01:39] <dash|x58> lol
[01:39] <joan_0> wirechief, go to see :D
[01:39] <brodie> kklimonda: if dist-packages is where it should be installed, then distutils should install it there, and not into a path that isn't in sys.path. this makes the conventional "setup.py install" command install a non-working program
[01:39] <shavlir> JDShewey: yes, I dont think the proprietary drivers work yet
[01:39] <dash|x58> Identifier    "CM752ET"
[01:40] <JDShewey> shavlir: yep. That's my issue. Crashes when loading glx.
[01:40] <dash|x58> do i put e228wfp there instead?
[01:40] <kklimonda> brodie: i don't know if passing --install-layout=deb isn't the *right* way of doing that in debian right now..
[01:40] <kklimonda> brodie: it does look like a bug to me.
[01:40] <JDShewey> Also having trouble with ipv6, but was able to work around that by using 4.2.2.2 for my DNS server.
[01:40] <JDShewey> Too bad I can't turn it off anymore.
[01:41] <kklimonda> brodie: but python setup.py installs modules to /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages as expected
[01:41] <shavlir> dash|x58: it just has to match in the monitor and screen section
[01:41] <kklimonda> brodie: i've just checked with django
[01:43] <brodie> kklimonda: and if you pass --prefix=/usr/local?
[01:43] <Death_Syn> i wish they'd toss up .torrents, I could go ahead and be seeding
[01:43] <dash|x58> so i copy and paste the same code under screen & monitor?
[01:43] <kklimonda> brodie: yes - then it's wrong - looks like a bug to me.
[01:43] <rconan> are there dailies of -server images?
[01:44] <kklimonda> brodie: you can file bug report or leave it to me
[01:44] <brodie> kklimonda: i don't have 9.04 available to me right now (it was a user report), so that would be appreciated
[01:44] <brodie> if i had to guess, the fix is probably a one liner
[01:44] <shavlir> rconan: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[01:45] <kklimonda> brodie: i'll take care of it
[01:45] <rconan> shavlir: cheers
[01:46] <wirechief> BUGabundo: when does the next test release show up ? will it be ubuntu+1
[01:47] <rconan> karmic alpha 1 on the 14th May
[01:47] <rconan> wirechief: ^
[01:47] <wirechief> rconan: thanks
[01:47] <joan_0> wirechief, rootdelay ? is this ?
[01:47] <wirechief> joan_0: no
[01:47] <BUGabundo> rconan: wirechief but *we* will be here way before that
[01:48] <wirechief> joan_0: go to the end of the thread
[01:48] <Halow> Whatever shall I do without my #ubuntu+1? ;)
[01:48] <rconan> BUGabundo: my workload at the moment is huge... I can't see myself installing karmic until past alpha2
[01:49] <joan_0> wirechief, you talk about the last build
[01:49] <BUGabundo> rconan: heeh
[01:49] <lucax> ok just to say... performance on jaunty is bad really really bad on intel x3100
[01:49] <Halow> There has been some serious regression on Intel graphics cards.
[01:49] <rconan> bloody coursework and exams? who made third year of university so hard...
[01:50] <yow|x2> ack, still getting freezes. anyone using Intel video getting freezes?
[01:50] <joan_0> I see it tomorrow, is late. Thanx a lot for the help wirechief  ;) byes !
[01:50] <wirechief> joan_0:  well there should be something about the missing files, the choice was to download the final or as i found just get the missing files
[01:50] <dash|x58> im getting problems with permissions with editing xorg.conf
[01:50] <dash|x58> how do i bypass this?
[01:50] <yow|x2> sudo dash|x58 ?
[01:50] <Halow> dash|x58: Editing with Text Editor (gedit)?
[01:51] <dash|x58> yup
[01:51] <shaga> yow|x2: using intel video and no freezes. netbook
[01:51] <Halow> If using gedit, use gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:51] <shaga> works very well
[01:51] <dash|x58> gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:51] <dash|x58> thats what i type into terminal?
[01:51] <Halow> Yep.
[01:51] <dash|x58> thanks
[01:53] <BUGabundo> rconan: yeah I get you . I still have one more exam for setember, and since I lost my job, I can finish my Intership !
[01:53] <BUGabundo> not lost.... I kicked the boss, and went way
[01:54] <rconan> heh...
[01:54] <rconan> I'll be sure to get karmic installed on a spare drive in my LAN box once I've finished exams
[01:54] <yow|x2> hmm maybe doesnt affect your specific card shaga, you're lucky! :)
[01:55] <shaga> seems so :)
[01:55] <oobe> i installed the beta does it upgrade automatically to rc
[01:55] <oobe> when i type lsb_release i get No LSB modules are available.
[01:55] <rconan> oobe: as long as you run update-manager
[01:56] <yofel> oobe: and what does 'lsb_release -rd' give you?
[01:56] <oobe> Description:    Ubuntu 9.04
[01:56] <oobe> Release:        9.04
[01:58] <yofel> then you've got the rc
[01:58] <oobe> nice
[01:58] <oobe> ty
[01:58] <oobe> its 11am 23rd in austalia where i am
[01:58] <dash|x58> it didnt really seem to do anything
[01:58]  * Skapare found the first problem in 9.04 that wasn't a problem in 9.04-rc
[01:58] <oobe> will ubuntu be released at 12am us time
[01:58] <dash|x58> im restarting ubuntu, hopefully if i did things right it'll change resoltuion
[01:59] <oobe> or possibly later
[01:59] <dash|x58> us time?
[01:59] <BUGabundo> Skapare: what?
[01:59] <dash|x58> eastern you mean
[01:59] <Skapare> network-manager ... when setting wireless key ... the "apply" button remains always grayed-out and unpressable
[01:59] <BUGabundo> you found more bugs then me? it can't be
[01:59] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:59] <oobe> dash|x58, im 18 -22  hrs in front of US i dont care that us has a small time zone diff
[01:59] <Skapare> that's the only bug I found so far ... just did get 9.04 and install it
[02:00] <Skapare> this is the amd64 version, desktop
[02:00] <Trunkz_> Not sure if this was reported or not
[02:01] <digitalpsyko> im on the rc now and im getting strange battery readings from the battery monitor, wheni hover the mouse over it it says that i have 58% left and 3 hours, when i bring up both batterys one has 98% and one has 18%, anyone point me in the right direction?
[02:01] <Trunkz_> but; I cant seem to set ps3-video-mod
[02:01] <Trunkz_> just says error 1
[02:01] <Trunkz_> =/
[02:01] <shavlir> oobe: 5 hours is small time?
[02:01] <digitalpsyko> i have new dell e6400 9cell + 12cell battery plate
[02:01] <jeiworth> man, is it me or why is kubuntu starting to feel like f#$%ing windows? intel vga problem, right? changed to UXA in the xorg.conf., ok? running linux, you should assume that a simple xserver restart would sufffice...3 reboots later i finally have xorg running again without changing _anything_ :P
[02:01] <digitalpsyko> should be around 18 hours with both batterys, at 12watts
[02:02] <Halow> jeiworth: Intel's messed up all over the *buntus.
[02:02] <bjsnider> jeiworth, intel users are in for a rough 6 months
[02:02] <BUGabundo> 2am... guess I'm hitting the pillow! good release party everyone
[02:03] <jeiworth> just *buntus or since kernel 2.6.18?
[02:03]  * DanaG is glad to have ATI, surprisingly.
[02:03] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: or just one month until a fix is available
[02:03] <Halow> Night BUGabundo.
[02:03] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i doubt it
[02:03] <jtholmes> BUGabundo, where are you at country
[02:03] <oobe> shavlir, for people who live all over the world and now whats going on yea
[02:04] <dash|x58> jesus
[02:04] <Skapare> BUGabundo: I'll play around with it a while before submitting it, and test it in 32-bit
[02:04] <jeiworth> well at least cpu is down to 20 instad of 30-50%
[02:04] <BUGabundo> PT
[02:04] <jeiworth> which is still a lot imho
[02:04] <dash|x58> gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:05] <jeiworth> bjsnider: in six months i will already be running 9.10 :D
[02:05] <bjsnider> there is no magical fix available in xorg.conf. the 2.7 final release driver still has abunch of problems. intel users might wantt o stick with 8.04 or 8.10
[02:05] <Mr_You> anyone know what time jaunty will be released tomorrow?
[02:06] <jtholmes> Mr_You, there is not specific time  down load the RC tonight and update after that to save time
[02:06] <jeiworth> bjsnider: grmpf well, i will try the downgrade howto and see if that helps
[02:06] <bjsnider> grmpf indeed
[02:07] <Mr_You> jtholmes: well I can wait, I'm just wondering if its going to be release tonight/this coming morning for EDT folks.
[02:07] <jtholmes> Mr_You, no telling
[02:07] <jtholmes> Mr_You, they havent actually set a time yet as far as i know
[02:08] <jeiworth> ...oO(typical, extra check the hardware for linux compatibility and buy pure intel and just then intel has to go ahead and screw up their drivers)
[02:09] <bjsnider> intel will be great in a few months
[02:09] <jeiworth> yeah well, not that i wanted to play any opengl games or anything in the meantime ;oP
[02:09] <bjsnider> well go down to intrepid then
[02:10] <shavlir> is it possible to do dual monitor with vesa?
[02:10] <bjsnider> the intel driver in jaunty is 2.6.3, and the current stable one is 2.7, which still has a lot of problems. so even if you upgrade immediately to koala, you're still going to have lots of problems for awhile
[02:11] <oobe> does anyone know how i change the font size in kubuntu 9.04 they seem smaller
[02:11] <jeiworth> bjsnider: well, the problem is that i am what some call an "early adopter". others might call it "version freak" ;o)
[02:11] <jtholmes> oobe the terminal window font
[02:12] <oobe> yeah and other things to
[02:12] <bjsnider> jeiworth, forces beyond your control have made that difficult in this case
[02:12] <oobe> firefox displays pages smaller aswell
[02:12] <jtholmes> oobe dont know about other, but terminal window, select settings appearance font at bottom of page
[02:12] <oobe> actually ff is ok
[02:13] <Mr_You> anyone using Eucalyptus?
[02:13] <oobe> jtholmes, ty
[02:14] <jtholmes> oobe i may have told you wrong let me look
[02:14] <jeiworth> bjsnider: :D well, before i give up i will try this howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4
[02:14] <amon__> why is port 8008 open
[02:14] <JDShewey> So... I want to set up a dual head setup. I want KDE on one monitor, and a virtualbox VM on the other, but I want to use compiz and keep the ability to use the edge flip. I can't want to stack the monitors, so I would like to have some sort of key combination to switch which monitor the mouse/keyboard is bound to. Is this possible?
[02:15] <jtholmes> oobe  settings->edit current profile -> appearance bottom of window for font size
[02:15] <dash|x58> i give up
[02:16] <dash|x58> everything i've done to increase my resolution doesn't work
[02:16] <dash|x58> :/
[02:16] <oobe> yep got it thanks worked it out you pointed me in the right place i found my way there the first time
[02:16] <dash|x58> now i have issues with the nvidia settings manager
[02:16] <dash|x58> it ruined everything on my xorg.conf
[02:17] <jeiworth> dash|x58: backup rul0rz
[02:18] <bjsnider> dash|x58, pastebin the xorg.conf file
[02:18] <dash|x58> i did back it up
[02:18] <dash|x58> but whatever
[02:18] <oobe> thats ok then
[02:18] <dash|x58> seems useless to try
[02:18] <dash|x58> do you think i'd have more luck running higher resolutions with onboard video
[02:18] <dash|x58> ?
[02:18] <oobe> what card do you have
[02:18] <TheFunkbomb> I gotta wait to burn a CD because someone is on the other computer
[02:19] <bjsnider> dash|x58, pastebin. the. xorg.conf. file. please
[02:19] <oobe> dash|x58, if its a newish mobo with onboard nvidia you should get whatever your monitor is capable of
[02:29] <jeiworth> righto, lets see if that helped
[02:32] <voss> Anyone know what time JJ will be officially released tommorow?
[02:32] <TarBar> Oh is it tommorow?
[02:32] <TarBar> I thought it was today, site says coming soon.
[02:32] <wgrant> voss: When the testing is done, and the release manager is confident of its stability.
[02:32] <genii> voss: That Q is already getting hammered to death in #ubuntu-release-party
[02:32] <wgrant> TarBar: It is today in some parts of the world. Tomorrow in strange places like the US.
[02:32] <TarBar> ooh
[02:33] <TarBar> I'm from Australia, expected it to be out now :)
[02:33] <wgrant> TarBar: I'm .au too.
[02:33] <TarBar> Ah sweet :P
[02:33] <voss> Its not 9 am thursday in most parts of the world yet
[02:33] <wgrant> TarBar: Give it 12 hours ± a few.
[02:33] <TarBar> ah ok
[02:33] <TarBar> cheers
[02:34] <BhaalWK> Is there a release channel or is the partying going on in here?
[02:34] <wgrant> BhaalWK: #ubuntu-release-party
[02:34] <TarBar> lol
[02:34] <TarBar> o.o its a real channel
[02:34] <voss> The Ubuntu team will probably wake up around 10 am SA time and take a few aspirin for their  hangover and hit enter , then skynet will be born or JJ will be released ...either way not much longer ;-)
[02:34] <wgrant> It is.
[02:34] <BhaalWK> So it is, thanks
[02:35] <wgrant> TarBar: It gets dozens of messages a second around release.
[02:35] <wgrant> It is ridiculous.
[02:35] <TarBar> sounds exciting.
[02:35] <TarBar> :)
[02:36] <voss> Whats the real difference between JJ and the RC?
[02:36] <wgrant> voss: Bugfixes.
[02:36] <voss> Im guessing not much, although a new version of flash was sent out tonight
[02:37] <wgrant> There are quite a few bugfixes.
[02:37] <yoasif> new flash right before release? wtf?
[02:38] <voss> yoasif, I suspect its a minor bug fix
[02:38] <wgrant> voss, yoasif: The last Adobe Flash update in Ubuntu was before RC.
[02:39] <jeiworth> weeeell that didnt help
[02:39] <jtholmes> there havent been any updates to the RC's today at all
[02:39] <Stupendoussteve> They're probably frozen until release
[02:39] <Stupendoussteve> there was only one yesterday?
[02:39] <voss> wgrant, well I got a flash update tonight
[02:39] <wgrant> voss: Not from Ubuntu.
[02:40] <jtholmes> voss update via update manager
[02:40] <jtholmes> for 9.04
[02:40] <voss> Thats where I got it...update manager
[02:40] <jeiworth> i just got firefox update
[02:40] <jtholmes> strange the RC's are frozen
[02:40] <jeiworth> 5 minutes ago
[02:40] <wgrant> jtholmes: Why is that strange?
[02:41] <jtholmes> because the RC's are frozen until release tomorrow
[02:41] <wgrant> jeiworth: There have been no Firefox updates for more than two weeks.
[02:41] <wgrant> jtholmes: Why is that strange?
[02:41] <Stupendoussteve> jtholmes: They freeze so no unknown bug breaks everything right at release, would you like installing, getting the updates and finding your system unusable?
[02:41] <voss> Of course Ive got the debian-multimedia and medibuntu added as sources.
[02:41] <wgrant> voss: Right, so it probably has nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[02:41] <jeiworth> wgrant: just sayn, i am downloading them right now
[02:42] <jtholmes> because any changes would require all tests for the particular RC's affedted
[02:42] <jeiworth> latest swcurity update 3.0.9
[02:42] <wgrant> I think there is some terminology confusion here.
[02:42] <jtholmes> all tests to be rerun
[02:42] <hggdh> actually this update is from -security
[02:42] <voss> I have flash 10.0 r22?
[02:42] <thewrath> does anyone know where i can just get the wubi.exe
[02:42] <thewrath> for jaunty
[02:42] <thewrath> bc the RC that I have does not allow me to do that via the DVD
[02:42] <wgrant> The Ubuntu release candidate is released a week before release. Any images after then are *not* release candidates.
[02:43] <wgrant> They are candidate images for the final release, but they are not called release candidates.
[02:43] <thewrath> ok
[02:43] <wit3tyg3r> hmm interesting....so the new release is called Jaunty Jackalope? lol interesting name....not too much different than the other release's names
[02:43] <thewrath> wgrant: do you knwo where I can get the wubi.exe file
[02:43] <jtholmes> wgrant true
[02:43] <jtholmes> but changes to those candidates are frozen until release tomorrow
[02:44] <hggdh> yes. Except for security updates
[02:44] <voss> 10.0.22.87jaunty1
[02:45] <jtholmes> hggdh, cant challenge that but they would have to be outside the candidates
[02:45] <hggdh> indeed
[02:45] <Lofde_> I LOVE this 9.04 beta!!
[02:45] <voss> We could title 11.4 Mobile Moose
[02:45] <Lofde_> It is Sweettttt
[02:45] <Lofde_> After testing it.. and Windows 7....
[02:45] <thewrath> anyone know where i can get the wubi.exe file
[02:45] <Lofde_> man... I hate Windows now..
[02:45] <Lofde_> I am sooo much in love with linux
[02:46] <wit3tyg3r> i haven't downloaded the RC yet cuz i didn't want to run into stability issues
[02:46] <Lofde_> I am still running 8.10... but using VirtualBox... so.. I doubt ill make the switch yet but i love the easy of picking everything up
[02:46] <voss> lofde, dont get too over the top, understand what each can and cannot do.
[02:46] <Lofde_> Windows 7 didnt even grab the Drivers for the network for VirtualBox.. stupid M$
[02:46] <wit3tyg3r> i hope the final release is pretty stable
[02:46] <wit3tyg3r> windows 7 sucks in my opinion
[02:47] <wit3tyg3r> lol
[02:47] <Lofde_> voss, I can do anything with linux M$ can do + more
[02:47] <jtholmes> wit3tyg3r, what is in cdimage now should be what is there tomorrow
[02:47] <voss> Lofde, 9.04 Netbook Remix is a pretty amazing piece of work.
[02:47] <Lofde_> wit3tyg3r,  it does to me because from an IT stand point i dont want to have to support that crap
[02:47] <snadge> the counter is broken :p
[02:47] <Lofde_> there are so many options and stuff, i mean its way way better than vista id say, but i hate how theres just more and more "OPTIONS TO SAY NO... I dONT WANT YOUR MS stuff"
[02:47] <wit3tyg3r> i use Mac OS X as my primary OS and Ubuntu as my secondary
[02:48] <Lofde_> really.. netbook... i am loving the development for "mids"
[02:48] <wit3tyg3r> i have Windows XP running on a virtual machine using VMWare Fusion
[02:48] <jtholmes> wit3tyg3r, i have been using it for weeks it is stable, but there are various problems
[02:48] <wit3tyg3r> and i am going to get Ubuntu 9.04 on another virtual machine
[02:48] <wit3tyg3r> like what kind of problems?
[02:48] <wit3tyg3r> are they mostly driver issues?
[02:48] <Lofde_> I am a die hard ubuntu fan... i would go for "mac" but i want to use HP hardware or dell .. or something i want instead of what they throw together
[02:49] <Lofde_> ive worked for dell too so i know  their warranty pretty good ;) know how to get what i need done :P
[02:49] <voss> wit3, Im running World of Warcraft on linux.
[02:49] <jtholmes> video problems with certain hw configs etc.  sound problems but that is outside the stability issue
[02:49] <voss> lofde, my netbook is a mini 9
[02:49] <bjsnider> Lofde_, does linux have hardware accelerated directx 10.1?
[02:49] <Stupendoussteve> Hmm. I want them to put the Jaunty ISO online, with a torrent link... I don't even care about the ISO, but I want to seed.
[02:50] <voss> bjsnider, linux uses opengl
[02:50] <wit3tyg3r> i see...yeah Ubuntu usually has a few driver issues but they seem to work out eventually...i have a compaq laptop and ubuntu 7.10 didn't work because of video driver issues
[02:50] <jtholmes> Stupendoussteve, that was discssed today dont know what the outcome was
[02:50] <bjsnider> voss, i am aware of that
[02:51] <wgrant> Stupendoussteve, jtholmes: They will prepare some seeds before the announcement. Then it should bootstrap itself pretty quickly.
[02:51] <jtholmes> wit3tyg3r, my advice is to run the LiveCD for a bit and see what problems crop up
[02:51] <voss> wit3, 9.04 is light years ahead of 7.10
[02:51] <jtholmes> wgrant, right
[02:51] <voss> Even my logitech webcam works in 9.04 which is pretty amazing
[02:51] <wit3tyg3r> yeah i ran the live version of 7.10...it failed to load on the compaq...i hate HP and Compaq because they make their hardware impossible to work with
[02:52] <wit3tyg3r> Dell is good about the hardware and making drivers available
[02:52] <wit3tyg3r> and Mac just has everything uber beast
[02:52] <wit3tyg3r> lol
[02:52] <wit3tyg3r> so i am going to run ubuntu on the mac
[02:52] <jtholmes> wit3tyg3r, i have had good success with toshiba, tecra and satellites in laptops, and i build my own desktops
[02:52] <Annnyoseyo> err
[02:52] <voss> wit3, their mini9 comes with 8.04 NR for lpia but I dumped that in favor of 9.04 i386 NR
[02:52] <Annnyoseyo> how can I update to 9.04 from 8.10 when it is release
[02:52] <Annnyoseyo> d
[02:53] <wit3tyg3r> Annyoseyo
[02:53] <wit3tyg3r> there is an option under the administrator menu that will let you check for updates
[02:53] <voss> anny, update-manager -d
[02:53] <jtholmes> !upgrade
[02:53] <wit3tyg3r> then you need an internet connection to download the new version
[02:53] <Annnyoseyo> thanks
[02:53] <wit3tyg3r> np
[02:53] <Annnyoseyo> i'm super new to ubuntu
[02:54] <kungpowza> any advantage to a format/install over the upgrade?
[02:54] <voss> anny, open a terminal and type in sudo update-manager -d and then run update manager and the upgrade will be available
[02:54] <jtholmes> Annnyoseyo, your are welcome
[02:54] <jtholmes> i never upgrade always fresh install but that is my preference
[02:54] <kungpowza> useally mine also
[02:55] <wgrant> Upgrades generally work fine.
[02:55] <voss> jtholmes but ubuntu upgrades are fairly painless.
[02:55] <kungpowza> thats good to know
[02:55] <PhotoJim> I've got a system that's been upgraded from dapper drake... no problems
[02:55] <Annnyoseyo> jtholmes: why?
[02:55] <wit3tyg3r> would you have to go through the trouble of restoring needed files when you do the fresh install?
[02:55] <jtholmes> boss true but swap to different partitons and test before commiting
[02:55] <Lofde_> boshhead, direct-x or anything M$ doesnt concern me
[02:56] <Barridus> wit3tyg3r, i normally just copy over my /home
[02:56] <wit3tyg3r> oh ok
[02:56] <Lofde_> i hate anything not "open source" ... and even if directx is now.. i still hate it..
[02:56] <wit3tyg3r> i see
[02:56] <voss> lofde, it only concerns me when a popular game wont run without directx,
[02:56] <jtholmes> Annnyoseyo, i have all my usr var etc in separate partitions and i can link in new root and test before movng to latest release that way
[02:56] <bjsnider> Lofde_, so for you it is about ideology and not functionality
[02:57] <Lofde_> voss... is there no team of hackers or programmers from ubuntu working on a open source... game driven engine compatible with X
[02:57] <Stupendoussteve> No
[02:57] <jtholmes> dont get me wrong, they have done a great job on updates, i just prefer fresh installs
[02:57] <bjsnider> linux will likely never be a gaming platform
[02:57] <voss> lofde, I believe there is a directx wrapper for opengl.
[02:57] <kungpowza> dx on linux i would love to see that day
[02:57] <DG19075> prefers fresh installs too
[02:57] <Stupendoussteve> It works fine with opengl games, ID Software ftw (for example)
[02:58] <voss> bjsnider, World of warcraft runs on linux under WINE right now.
[02:58] <Daskreech> bjsnider: Based upon?
[02:58] <bjsnider> that's one game
[02:58] <Daskreech> voss: having games and being a gaming platform are different things
[02:58] <Daskreech> voss: I can play Doom and Doom II on the iPod
[02:58] <Lofde_> what platform does sony use for the PS3 for game development
[02:58] <Daskreech> It's still not a gaming platform
[02:59] <Lofde_> because... if your game REQUIRES Directx.... i blame that on development..
[02:59] <Daskreech> Lofde_: Linuxish OS Windows for development
[02:59] <thewrath> why cant i install jaunty in windows like i could earlier and like intrepid and hardy
[02:59] <wgrant> thewrath: You can.
[02:59] <wgrant> Just the same as Ubuntu 8.04 or Ubuntu 8.10.
[02:59] <bjsnider> it will be years before gallium offers opengl 3.1 for all graphics hardware, and even then most games don't offer opengl versions, plus the consoles all use directx
[02:59] <thewrath>   wgrant  how
[03:00] <wgrant> thewrath: The same method.
[03:00] <thewrath> bc when i download teh RC DVD and ran wubi it does not allow me to
[03:00] <Daskreech> bjsnider: None of them use directX
[03:00] <voss> Which consoles use directx? Xbox
[03:00] <wgrant> 'does not allow me to' is about the most useless description of an error, ever.
[03:00] <voss> Xbox is a microsoft product of course they would use directx
[03:00] <thewrath> does not give me the option to
[03:00] <Daskreech> wgrant: Stuff just happened is a worse one
[03:00] <thewrath> full instlal, demo or more information. no option to install in widnows like before
[03:01] <wgrant> thewrath: Run wubi.exe, which I pointed you to.
[03:01] <Lofde_> I think sony should open development to the community like apple has... look how many apps have been made... and how much stuff that could be developed .. home brew games ect... sure they are the ONLY one right now keeping away piracy though... but.. as Bluray drives get cheaper and time moves on i doubt it will last long
[03:01] <thewrath> wgrant: does not give me the  otions
[03:01] <wgrant> Daskreech: mmm, perhaps.
[03:01] <wgrant> thewrath: I don't know. I don't use Windows.
[03:01] <wgrant> thewrath: Maybe you can only use a CD.
[03:01] <thewrath> anyone can help me?
[03:01] <Daskreech> Lofde_: #ps3linux and #ps3dev would like to speak to you :)
[03:01] <thewrath> that is silly
[03:01] <Lofde_> hah
[03:01] <wit3tyg3r> thewrath: try downloading the ISO of the CD and not the DVD
[03:01] <Daskreech> Lofde_: Also you can self publish a game for PS2 now without sony approval
[03:01] <wgrant> thewrath: Windows is silly, too.
[03:01] <thiebaude> thewrath: did you download wubi.exe from the net?
[03:02] <thewrath> wgrant: true about windows
[03:02] <thewrath> but it worked before with jaunty
[03:02] <Lofde_> nice...
[03:02] <thewrath> when it was in beta
[03:02] <voss> Just run ubuntu in virtualbox on windows
[03:02] <Lofde_> I think ubuntu started a fire though.. and its going to be hard to ignore..
[03:02] <thewrath> i got it from evand who is dev and ran it form the DVD
[03:02] <thewrath> where can i get the most updated wubi
[03:02] <Daskreech> We started the fire!! It was glowing and burning as the world was turning!
[03:02] <jtholmes> thewrath, not sure what the problem is but that got tested  and passed
[03:02] <Lofde_> I tech consult.. and help people that know nothing about PC's.. or computers.. and everyone i talk to is saying "i am thinking about getting a new one and i want to get a mac"
[03:03] <voss> lofde, hey we didnt start the fire, it was always burning since the world was turning
[03:03] <thiebaude> just go online an install wubi.exe from within windows
[03:03] <Daskreech> voss: Beat you to it :)
[03:03] <Lofde_> voss.. i can agree.. freedom will rain
[03:03] <thewrath> jtholmes: issue is wubi not allowing to install ubuntu in windows like before
[03:03] <Lofde_> and reign
[03:03] <thewrath> there is no option for it
[03:03] <voss> das but I got it right
[03:03] <wgrant> Daskreech, voss: It's going to need quite a few more verses until you can fit 'Ubuntu' into it.
[03:03] <Daskreech> voss: Not in accordance with his statement :)
[03:03] <Nirrad1st> Hello.  I am getting ready to flash my bios. I downloaded the program from acer and I believe it runs from windows. Now what I am wondering is the linux bootloader going to interupt the bios opperation when I reboot?
[03:04] <voss> Das, I got it right according to billy joel ;-)
[03:04] <jtholmes> thewrath, look on launchpad and see if a bug was reported
[03:04] <wgrant> I have to agree with voss there.
[03:04] <Daskreech> wgrant: But ... british political sex and LTS Blown away.. what else do I gotta say?
[03:04] <Lofde_> Nirrad1st,  i would call acer.. be ware
[03:04] <thewrath> jtholmes:  you tell me bc there is one?
[03:04] <thiebaude> thewrath: ,http://wubi-installer.org/
[03:04] <voss> LTS blown away *groan*
[03:04] <Daskreech> Nirrad1st: Not if you boot from the media
[03:04] <wgrant> Daskreech: That doooooesn't quite flow right :(
[03:04] <Daskreech> JFK just didn't fit the Convo :)
[03:04] <Nirrad1st> Lofde i hear yeah. ok thanks
[03:05] <thiebaude> thewrath: and download to a folder in windows
[03:05] <Lofde_> Some companies like acer Nirrad1st  might only make .exe update drivers
[03:05] <jtholmes> thewrath, let me see what was tested
[03:05] <Nirrad1st> Thats just it there is no media i am on a laptop.
[03:05] <thewrath> thiebaude: that is for 8.10
[03:05] <thiebaude> yup
[03:05] <thewrath> jtholmes: thanks
[03:05] <thewrath> my mind is almost completely dead for the night
[03:05] <Lofde_> and its really really crazy.. when you call ... they will say "you changed your OS " oh we dont support that
[03:05] <Lofde_> its really nuts
[03:05] <voss> nirrad, no I used hp booting utility which works fine.
[03:05] <thiebaude> 9.04 isn't out for wubi yet
[03:05] <Lofde_> maybe you could google some acer forums
[03:05] <Daskreech> thiebaude: Huh?
[03:05] <thewrath> thiebaude: that is for 8.10 not 9.04
[03:06] <thiebaude> i know
[03:06] <thewrath> i need one for 9.04
[03:06] <Daskreech> bjsnider: So why is Linux impossible to be targeted as a gaming platform?
[03:06] <voss> lofde, hp has usb booting utility that works fine with any flash drive and any companies bios, it just gets you a dos prompt
[03:06] <Daskreech> Lofde_: Oh #ubuntu-ps3 as well :)
[03:06] <wit3tyg3r> thewrath: i might be late but here's a link http://wubi-installer.org/
[03:06] <Lofde_> Daskreech,  i love the free games that are on the apt-get
[03:06] <bjsnider> Daskreech, i said unlikely, not impossible
[03:06] <Nirrad1st> ok I will look around a little more first thanks for the info. was just hoping maybe some one with an acer who has tried this might be here.
[03:06] <Daskreech> !plymouth
[03:06] <thewrath> thiebaude: when i run that it says for 8.10 but where does it pull the fiels to install
[03:06] <bjsnider> Daskreech, and i already explained it
[03:06] <thewrath> wit3tyg3r: have it but for 8.10 not 9.04
[03:06] <voss> You have to install it on the flash drive using window but other than that it works great
[03:06] <Daskreech> bjsnider: the pace of development?
[03:06] <Lofde_> Daskreech,  i was playing something like q3a on here.. and it was free and fast and fun!
[03:06] <thewrath> but when i run that where does it pull the files from?
[03:07] <bjsnider> Daskreech, linux doesn't have access to direct3d
[03:07] <thiebaude> thewrath: it installs it to a folder on windows
[03:07] <Daskreech> I don't think that it will ever be the premiere gaming platform as it is with servers but I think like the desktop it can be very viable
[03:07] <Lofde_> bjsnider,  opengl > direct3d
[03:07] <phoozle> to run DX you actually need Windows, it isn't portable
[03:07] <thewrath> where does it pulls the install fiels at
[03:07] <voss> I was supposed to get a pccard for a t30 laptop I was working on but they sent me a pci card by mistake :)
[03:07] <bjsnider> Lofde_, no it is not, sir. it is not close
[03:07] <Lofde_> Winex
[03:07] <jtholmes> thewrath, it was tested and only one bug reported and it did not affect every machine so it shuld install
[03:08] <Nirrad1st> hmmm interesting voss. I do have a 1 g flash drive but i have tried booting a linux live from it with no success. I did set options in bios before hand.
[03:08] <Lofde_> bjsnider,  i dont develop :/ ... i dont even play the ps3 anymore.. i am thinking of selling it...
[03:08] <jtholmes> but that is as far as i go with windowz i know nothing about it
[03:08] <Daskreech> OpenGL is stuck in the mud right now. If they get kicked into gear I don't think there is much pain points between OpenGL and Dx
[03:08] <wit3tyg3r> thewrath: i think this should help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=991169
[03:08] <wit3tyg3r> it might help
[03:08] <Daskreech> Lofde_: To me to me
[03:08] <Lofde_> i can find more "things to fill my time" than "gaming" it hurts to know but
[03:08] <wit3tyg3r> i am not 100% sure
[03:09] <bjsnider> opengl is a standard, not actual software
[03:09] <voss> nirrad, microsoft made one good operating system... DOS it was reasonably priced , ran on anything and had no DRM.
[03:09] <Lofde_> Daskreech,  60gb, still under warranty, extended through toys r us, originally 599 ... looking to get around 350 - 400  ;/
[03:09] <Daskreech> voss: They bought DOS
[03:09] <Daskreech> Lofde_: Mail me
[03:09] <Lofde_> only the 60gb's play hardware accelerated PS1 and PS2 games
[03:09] <Nirrad1st> voss lol well put
[03:10] <Lofde_> voss.. the next big thing for MS was NT...
[03:10] <Daskreech> Video card makers march to a Dx beat though
[03:10] <TheFunkbomb> okay, disk is burned
[03:10] <Nirrad1st> ok hopefully will be back soon. Thanks everyone for ideas .
[03:10] <TheFunkbomb> again, if I don't see you again, remember that I love you all
[03:11] <voss> nirrad, DOS works well for flashing bioses
[03:11] <Lofde_> Daskreech,  as consumers such as you and i change... and scream GIVE ME LINUX DRIVERS! so will companies change
[03:11] <Nirrad1st> ok
[03:11] <shashi_sa> Still 9.04 is not available for download. Still how many hours left ?
[03:11] <Lofde_> shashi_sa,  get it off mininova or a torrent
[03:11] <wgrant> !jaunty | shashi_sa
[03:11] <Ububegin> shashi_sa: 2 more hours left
[03:11] <sebsebseb> Lofde_: I don't particulary like that word consumer, because companies call everyone that, and also  treat  consumers as idiots normalley
[03:11] <Pici> !isitout
[03:11] <kklimonda> shaga: less then 20
[03:11] <Nirrad1st> I am just super aprehensive , because the last time I flashed my bios. I was without a comp for 3 years lol
[03:12] <shaga> kklimonda: what?
[03:12] <voss> I just flashed my pcchips motherboard a couple days ago so I could put a 9750 phenom in it :)
[03:12] <Daskreech> bjsnider: Isn't having OpenGL good for a gaming platform?
[03:12] <shaga> oh, wrong nick complete
[03:12] <b14ck> hey, i installed amarok on ubuntu 9.04, but it wont play like 90% of my music, worked fine on gentoo
[03:12] <b14ck>  it seems like it doesnt want to play my mp3 v0 files
[03:12] <b14ck> any idea why?
[03:12] <Ububegin> So does Ubuntu 9.05 works out of the box for the wireless cards..
[03:12] <shaga> good night all. hope to upgrade into final JJ once I wake up :p
[03:12] <sebsebseb> two things from the bot saying to join this channel heh
[03:12] <thiebaude> Ububegin: 9.04
[03:12] <shiznebit> may i ask is apt-p2p functioning yet ?
[03:12] <wgrant> Ububegin: Ubuntu 9.04 supports most wireless cards out of the box.
[03:12] <sebsebseb> and  regarding the release   it's not the 23rd in  the whole world yet
[03:12] <jtholmes> Nirrad1st, wow that was a huge bios upgrade :)
[03:13] <wgrant> shiznebit: It has been functioning for years - it's just not installed by default.
[03:13] <Daskreech> bjsnider: Not beating a dead horse I hope. You just sound to me as if you are saying that Dx is the only viale gaming platform
[03:13] <bjsnider> Daskreech, the extent to which your system actually implements opengl is dependent on your graphics driver. mine is currently at 3.0.0
[03:13] <Daskreech> viable
[03:13] <wgrant> Daskreech: He does that a bit.
[03:13] <Nirrad1st> lol no just couldnt afford another comp for awhile
[03:13] <newcomer> b14ck, i don't know what amarok uses as a backend, but i'm sure it's a codecs thing
[03:13] <voss> wgrant, except for usb which is a bit trickier.
[03:13] <b14ck> my amarok only plays flacs, i want it to play mp3s
[03:13] <bjsnider> it is. it is the only viable gaming platform. i don't know how to say it any clearer
[03:13] <b14ck> someone tell me what package i need lol
[03:13] <wgrant> voss: Most of them still work fine.
[03:13] <Nirrad1st> But it went bad , very bad lol
[03:13] <shiznebit> wgrant, it is oh ok, is it worth using ?
[03:13] <wgrant> shiznebit: It depends on your situation.
[03:13] <wgrant> bjsnider: You are yet to give a concrete reason for this.
[03:14] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: Well that's part of being a consumer
[03:14] <bjsnider> wgrant, i did awhile back. nobody read it
[03:14] <Daskreech> b14ck: libxine1-ffmpeg
[03:14] <Ububegin> wgrant: cos ubuntu 8.10 had this wrethed problem.. it wouldnt work with my wireless ..... hope they have fixed it....
[03:14] <voss> ububegin, I tend to use cards with Atheros chip sets, they have nice strong range and ubuntu has no problem with them
[03:14] <Daskreech> bjsnider:
[03:14] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: well it's not  a great system over all
[03:14] <b14ck> Daskreech, thanks very much
[03:14] <wgrant> Ububegin: There is a *lot* of variety in wireless cards. YOu might have one from a bad manufacturer that makes it very difficult to write drivers.
[03:15] <Daskreech> I read your reason but not having DirectX doesn't mean that it can't be used a gaming platform
[03:15] <gregorovius> hi... sorry if this has been asked often, but I would like to get 9.4, and i'm wondering if it's likely to change from the rc to the official release
[03:15] <shiznebit> would intel be a good choice for wireless cards ?
[03:15] <Daskreech> and a viable one
[03:15] <voss> ububegin, which manufacturer made your card?
[03:15] <Ububegin> voss: mine's a laptop dude....  Hp DV-4 1301Tx
[03:15] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: who are you talking to?
[03:15] <b14ck> Daskreech, works great now
[03:15] <sebsebseb> !who
[03:15] <Daskreech> gregorovius: very little
[03:15] <wgrant> shiznebit: They're fairly well supported, yes.
[03:15] <b14ck> aweosme
[03:15] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: for which statment?
[03:15]  * sebsebseb Ubuntu can also be  pretty good for gaming,  good native Linux games exist to
[03:15] <wit3tyg3r> thewrath: was that link i sent you able to assist you?
[03:15] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: the directx comment
[03:15] <jtholmes> gregorovius, not much what is there right now will probably be the release tomorrow
[03:16] <sebsebseb> jtholmes: your tommorow is already my today
[03:16] <sebsebseb> jtholmes: and has been for just over 3 hours now
[03:16] <jtholmes> sebsebseb, true ;)
[03:16] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: bjsnider I'm Just trying to figure out if he means that Linux cannot be a viable gaming platform or cannot be the premiere or first choice gaming platform
[03:16]  * sebsebseb expects  Jaunty to be released  about 7pm  GMT
[03:16] <gregorovius> thanks
[03:16] <Ububegin> Another qn... should I get the Ubuntu 9.04 today or wait a couple of days, so that the team would fix more bugs...
[03:17] <MindVirus> Can someone please help me make flash work?
[03:17] <Daskreech> I'll agree with the second statement but not the first
[03:17] <MindVirus> Ububegin, wait.
[03:17] <MindVirus> It's not long at all.
[03:17] <Daskreech> Ububegin: Bugs isn't the issue it's bandwidth
[03:17] <jtholmes> Ububegin, get it now and update
[03:17]  * sebsebseb thinks Jaunty won't be released when  it's still the 22nd in any part of the word
[03:17] <Daskreech> Getting it now means avoiding the insane rush
[03:17] <MindVirus> Good point.
[03:17] <thiebaude> yup
[03:17] <bjsnider> Daskreech, walk into a game store and buy a random game for the pc. it likely won't work with your linux system, whatever it is, even with wine or cedega or what have you. it might work with mine, but it's a crapshoot. that game will work on windows though.
[03:18] <sebsebseb> heh I put GMT,  we are on BST here
[03:18] <sebsebseb> in UK
[03:18] <thiebaude> bjsnider: i'll rather buy a gaming system
[03:18] <MindVirus> Can someone please help me make Flash work? I don't know what information to give so I'll say what is asked of me but I don't know what's relevant.
[03:18]  * sebsebseb has used  Ubuntu  since the second release in 2005,  so  won't get all hyped up  over 9.04,  plus  the testing I have done etc
[03:19] <thiebaude> MindVirus: where did you install flash from?
[03:19] <MindVirus> thiebaude, I definitely used apt-get.
[03:19] <MindVirus> But I don't know what flash I have installed.
[03:19] <MindVirus> Right now Flash "works"...
[03:19] <MindVirus> The plugins show.
[03:19] <MindVirus> But that's about it.
[03:19] <Daskreech> bjsnider: Right Fine I understand that. But you seem to be saying that people won't be able to target LInux because of technical issues. With most consoles using OpenGL and obviously phones etc not using Dx at all that doesn't seem like a reasonable assesment
[03:19] <MindVirus> Their functionality is strictly limited.
[03:19] <thewrath> wit3tyg3r: not reallly
[03:19] <Ububegin> daskreech: but the final release isnt out yet, right...
[03:19] <thiebaude> MindVirus: i usally go to the adobe website and download the .deb flash file
[03:19] <robin0800> sebsebseb: It willbe utc time i think
[03:20] <voss> daskreech, noone plays directx games on $200 netbooks :)
[03:20] <wgrant> thiebaude: That's not the right way to do it.
[03:20] <Daskreech> Ububegin: Trust me it's close enough
[03:20] <wit3tyg3r> thewrath: ok...i'll see if i can find anything else
[03:20] <MindVirus> thiebaude, I'm only going to use apt-get.
[03:20] <thewrath> anyone else have an idea/
[03:20] <Daskreech> voss: Yes they do
[03:20] <sebsebseb> robin0800: lol 9.04 is not even that impressive anyway
[03:20] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: It's nice for kubuntu :)
[03:20] <thiebaude> why, i did it and a few minutes later i got updates
[03:20] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: maybe, but  can get  a KDE 4.2  PPA in 8.10 anyway
[03:20] <MindVirus> Any suggestions?
[03:20] <voss> daskreech, what game do they play?
[03:21] <thiebaude> then i dont know
[03:21] <robin0800> sebsebseb: it seems more stable than 8.10
[03:21] <bjsnider> Daskreech, gallium won't even offer a modern version of opengl for years, and that's not controversial. i'm not sure why you're bringing in opengl, which is the weakest part of your possible argument into this.
[03:21] <Ububegin> daskreech: other than the gnome and kde issue.. is there any real differnece between kubuntu and ubuntu
[03:21] <Daskreech> voss: There are hundreds of 5.00 casual Dx only games that people who are grabbing a netbook would be likely to play
[03:21] <Stupendoussteve> Ububegin: No
[03:21] <Stupendoussteve> Ububegin: You can change from one to the other with apt-get even :)
[03:21] <sebsebseb> robin0800: not sure about that, since I have a borked upgrade.   ,but yes I will be clean installing  once final is out and doing Ext4.  9.04 on Ext3 sucks
[03:22] <thewrath> http://noncdn-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ wats that all about
[03:22] <Daskreech> bjsnider: Well you started with DirectX :) SDL would be a better comaprison but you mentioned D3d so ...
[03:22] <thewrath> what does it mean noncdn?
[03:22] <Ububegin> Stupendoussteve: Oh.... so they are the same eh.... think I will stick to ubuntu then....
[03:22] <Daskreech> Ububegin: No the only difference between them is KDE and Gnome
[03:22] <Stupendoussteve> Ububegin: If you ever want to try the kde side, the meta-package is kubuntu-desktop
[03:23] <voss> Didnt they release 3.1 opengl just this past month?
[03:23]  * sebsebseb RIP  KDE3  sadly not in repo for 8.10 or 9.04,  8.04 though yes
[03:23] <newcomer> i thought i get a head start and start upgrading now. was that a bad idea or is it that most packages in jaunty repos won't change at release?
[03:23] <Daskreech> voss: Safely ignore that Videocards won't supportit for at least one release and rivers probably won't get sorted out until the release after that
[03:23] <shiznebit> hey guys can you tell me a couple of games and game companies that offer PAID games to linux ?
[03:23] <brianski> is anyone else having problems with no audio on jaunty?
[03:23] <bjsnider> Dasqi said linux doesn't currently have directx. that doesn't equate to opengl in any meaningful way. historically opengl has been way behind and there are only a small number of opengl games
[03:23] <shiznebit> I know of 2Dboys
[03:23] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: Look at http://kubuntu.org :)
[03:23] <Stupendoussteve> brianski: Going from the launchpad answers, yes a few people are
[03:23] <bjsnider> what linux would need to be a gaming platform is directx instead of opengl
[03:23] <brianski> there is a bug for it, but it's old and i'm not sure if i'm the only one with jaunty on my particular hardware
[03:23] <sebsebseb> shiznebit: Google.  42 of the best commerical linux games,   that should come up with some  linuxlinks.org articles.  they did a few,  wine games and so on as well
[03:24] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: lol
[03:24] <thiebaude> brianski: sometimes mine would be muted
[03:24] <Daskreech> newcomer: At release they are fronzen except for serious bug fixes and security patches upgrade now and You wil be fine
[03:24] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: KDE4 sucks,  except for some of the apps.  which I use in Gnome anyway
[03:24] <brianski> Stupendoussteve: can you give me a pointer? i haven't found a bug with an active discussion?
[03:24] <Stupendoussteve> bjsnider: Macs don't have DirectX, yet they get some games that we don't
[03:24] <Stupendoussteve> Not some, many
[03:24] <Daskreech> shiznebit: http://happypenguin.org
[03:24] <brianski> thiebaude: just randomly, or ?
[03:24] <Stupendoussteve> What Linux needs it market share, then the developers will come around :D
[03:24] <Daskreech> shiznebit: Quite a few are listed there
[03:24] <thiebaude> brianski: randomly
[03:24] <voss> sebseb, I used to be a KDE fan until Kde4, gnome has improved quite a bit including getting rid of that stupid foot :)
[03:25] <bjsnider> Stupendoussteve, mac isn't a gaming platform either. i watched my roommate wrestle with his system for years and he finally gave up on it
[03:25] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: KDE3 was alright, but I would use Gnome normalley.  and I used Ubuntu since  second release in 2005,  with Fedora Core 2 and 4 befoer it,  and uhmmmm  Gnoopix,  Morphix,  etc etc live cd trying.  so yes I know about Kubuntu
[03:25] <newcomer> Daskreech, thx man
[03:25] <Stupendoussteve> bjsnider: Consoles are gaming platforms. Anything else is a computer.
[03:25] <Stupendoussteve> :P
[03:25] <shiznebit> thanks, Daskreech  and sebsebseb
[03:25] <thiebaude> Stupendoussteve: i agree with that statement
[03:25] <jtholmes> voss did you ever see the original foot version of gnome, dark and very ugly several years ago
[03:25] <sebsebseb> shiznebit: for what?
[03:25] <brianski> Stupendoussteve: my vt220 is a gaming platform??
[03:25] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: I'm just saying the top news announcement on the page is the KDE3 Jaunty CDs
[03:25] <bjsnider> Stupendoussteve, that's a whole different ball of wax
[03:25] <voss> kde 3.5 was quite good, Kde4 was slick but unusable
[03:25] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: oh really?
[03:26] <Daskreech> voss: Why was it unusable ?
[03:26] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: so your saying there is an offical  KDE3  9.04?
[03:26] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: That's kinda why I gave you the link :)
[03:26] <voss> daskreech, the kde4 interface sucked for me.
[03:26] <darthanubis> Daskreech, because it was not finished/polished
[03:26] <Daskreech> voss: In what way?
[03:26] <darthanubis> many ways
[03:26] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: maybe enough people compalined about  KDE3 going bye bye in the 8.10 and 9.04 repos, and so they decide to do something about that
[03:26] <shiznebit> sebsebseb, for the '42 of the best commercial linux games'
[03:26] <Stupendoussteve> brianski: Search for jaunty sound on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[03:26] <Daskreech> darthanubis: True
[03:27] <voss> das, it was less user friendly than 3.5
[03:27] <sebsebseb> shiznebit: yeah and wine games and stuff.  42 of the best wine games
[03:27] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: No they put out a call for people to help and one person stepped up
[03:27] <Stupendoussteve> brianski: There are a few general "No sound!" questions which may be of use
[03:27] <sebsebseb> shiznebit: they did a few of these game articles on the site
[03:27] <Daskreech> voss: Yes well they said that at launch :)
[03:27] <Daskreech> 4.2 is nicer
[03:28] <sebsebseb> shiznebit: I get the impression that you think  commerical games are better than community games, well I would like to point out, it really depends on the game
[03:28] <Daskreech> 4.3 should be interesting as well but not a huuuuuge leap
[03:28] <Daskreech> wesnoth and FB are crack on eggs
[03:28] <voss> das, ive moved on gnome is good enough now.
[03:28] <Daskreech> voss: Oh yeah I just wanted to find out why people didn't like KDE 4
[03:29] <Daskreech> Sort of my informal survey
[03:29] <shiznebit> actually not really i just once found a game i really liked, and forgot the name of it. I new it was commercial but i could never find the page, so thats really what i was looking for
[03:29] <voss> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty
[03:29] <brianski> Stupendoussteve: yikes there are a lot, ok thanks
[03:29] <Daskreech> shiznebit: what was the game like?
[03:29] <shiznebit> Penny Arcade Adventures: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness
[03:29] <shiznebit> didn't get to play it, but buying and dling now
[03:29] <Daskreech> shiznebit: Ha You couldn't remember penny arcade?
[03:30] <shiznebit> lol nope and i completely forgot what it was called
[03:30] <Stupendoussteve> brianski: Hopefully one or more has a good answer for you :)
[03:30] <sebsebseb> right, but can  install KDE3 and 4 into the same install,  like can with 8.04?
[03:30] <mikechelen> anyone know what is causing this java error: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.10/jre/bin/java: No such file or directory
[03:31] <TheFunkbomb> Stupid CD burner didn't burn the CD
[03:31] <TheFunkbomb> I was like, "Why won't it boot?!"
[03:31] <Stupendoussteve> sebsebseb: That page says yes, you can
[03:32] <A|i> !jaunty
[03:32] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: yes
[03:32] <sebsebseb> Stupendoussteve: ok good,  no need to virtual machine 8.04  then
[03:32] <sebsebseb> 8.04 for KDE3
[03:32] <sebsebseb> no need for that anymore
[03:32] <brianski> Stupendoussteve: yeah, here's hoping ...
[03:33] <Lofde_> haha... everyone Know that "Windows vista" Commercial where the kid goes and has a budget of 1500 to get a  PC..... i wish at the very end he would have said "now i am going home and whipping the hard drive and installing ubuntu on it!"
[03:33] <Stupendoussteve> Ooo a party!
[03:33] <wit3tyg3r> Lofde_: hahaha that would be awesome
[03:33] <thewrath> anyone knwo when it might get released i mean like est afternoon, etc?
[03:34]  * sebsebseb maybe i'll forgive 9.04 a bit more for  trying to force me into using fusa by removing shutdown and logout from system menu in Gnome,   because now KDE3 :)
[03:34] <voss> lofde, Make that commercial and put it on youtube!
[03:34] <Lofde_> voss... i should.. i do a lot of A/V stuff
[03:34] <wit3tyg3r> thewrath: i'm hoping in the morning eastern time
[03:34] <wit3tyg3r> lol
[03:34] <sebsebseb> altough I would still mainly use Gnome, but  I hardly  ever bother to shutdown properly or logout anyway
[03:34] <thewrath> wit3tyg3r:  okay me too
[03:34] <wgrant> sebsebseb: They will come back into the System menu if you remove FUSA.
[03:34] <jtholmes> thewrath, i doubt the release manager is even awake yet
[03:34] <sebsebseb> wgrant: yes I know, but what if want both?
[03:34] <Lofde_> I worked for a company that made hardware Mpeg4 and mpeg2 encoders for the video broadcast industry.. and its interesting stuff
[03:34] <thewrath> wit3tyg3r: when was 8.10 releaed what time of day do u remember
[03:34] <wgrant> sebsebseb: Then you are unlucky.
[03:35] <thewrath> jtholmes: its still wed at 1035pm est
[03:35] <wit3tyg3r> thewrath: no...too long ago for me to remember lol
[03:35] <thewrath> wit3tyg3r:  okay
[03:35] <sebsebseb> wgrant: there must be a way to add it back, without removing fusa
[03:35] <thewrath> well ia m off to bed tahnks for all the help ill be back on tomorrow
[03:35] <wgrant> sebsebseb: I don't think so.
[03:35] <thewrath> where would i find the release when its released
[03:35] <wgrant> thewrath: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04
[03:35] <sebsebseb> wgrant: well if 8.10 can  have both nicely, then I expect it's possible somehow with 9.04 to
[03:36] <wgrant> sebsebseb: The code was changed to remove them.
[03:36] <sebsebseb> wgrant: yes and it's the most stupidest thing  that has ever been done to Ubuntu
[03:36] <wgrant> sebsebseb: I think you might be exaggerating a bit.
[03:36] <wgrant> sebsebseb: You are free to file a bug.
[03:37] <sebsebseb> wgrant: that's one thing removing something  enitrely,  that's another removing something,  that people can easilly add back without having to remove something else
[03:37] <Skapare> BUGabundo: the network-manager eventually started working ... I'm not sure what the issue is ... more testing is needed ... it may be a problem of first time being run
[03:37] <sebsebseb> wgrant: also I have used Ubuntu since the second release in 2005, and  shutdown and logout have been in the system menu, no problem, untill now
[03:37] <cjae> is ok if I am multiple errors when starting akonadi server?
[03:37] <wgrant> sebsebseb: You are free to file a bug. And you are being completely irrational when you state that it is the most stupid thing.
[03:37] <wgrant> sebsebseb: Software changes.
[03:38] <sebsebseb> wgrant: yeah and not that good ones
[03:38] <wgrant> sebsebseb: Huh?
[03:38] <sebsebseb> wgrant: newer is not always better,  oh 9.04 is  pretty good really, except for this one little thing
[03:38] <wgrant> sebsebseb: I thought it was the most stupid thing ever.
[03:38] <sebsebseb> wgrant: it is,  other changes have been good
[03:38] <thiebaude> 9.04 is the best for me
[03:38] <cjae> it is not registered at dbus and no agents found
[03:39] <shiznebit> 10.04 should be GODLY
[03:39] <sebsebseb> wgrant: now  I know of a guy who  left Ubuntu, because of the thing I am complaining about,  but he has  had some other reasons,  now  I thought he was maybe being a bit  extreame/unfair
[03:39] <sebsebseb> wgrant: he left, because of a few reasons
[03:40] <wit3tyg3r> is 9.04 going to be an LTS release?
[03:40] <thiebaude> wit3tyg3r: no
[03:40] <wgrant> wit3tyg3r: No. Ubuntu 10.04 will be.
[03:40] <Lofde_> American Idol is sooooooooooooooo awesume
[03:40] <sebsebseb> wgrant: I should be able to have them in the menu, and  have fusa, really, but no
[03:40] <wgrant> sebsebseb: As I said, file a bug.
[03:40] <wit3tyg3r> wgrant: ok..i see
[03:41] <Lofde_> A chu
[03:41] <Lofde_> bless me
[03:41] <jeiworth> Lofde_: ok, now you are starting to scare me :P
[03:41] <Lofde_> :))
[03:41] <sebsebseb> wgrant: a feature decision, or  I should say removing a feature, the option of having both,  isn't  a bug
[03:41] <Lofde_> I love DVR "directv > comcast"
[03:41] <wgrant> sebsebseb: I am a developer. I say file a bug. I am right.
[03:41] <Skapare> sebsebseb: what's the thing you don't like about 9.04 ?
[03:41] <jtholmes> wgrant, i love rants!
[03:42] <wgrant> It deserves a bug.
[03:42] <TheFunkbomb> stupid cd burner
[03:43] <Skapare> TheFunkbomb: use a USB memory stick
[03:43] <sebsebseb> Skapare: how  they have atempted forcing me into using fusa,  by removing  shutdown and logout from the system menu,    or  by  removing fusa, to get back in menu
[03:43] <TheFunkbomb> Skapare, my computer won't boot from USB
[03:43] <TheFunkbomb> already tried
[03:43] <wgrant> sebsebseb: You cannot complain until you have filed a bug.
[03:43] <thiebaude> i have it on the system menu
[03:43] <cjae>  is ok if I am multiple errors when starting akonadi server it is not registered at dbus and no agents found
[03:43] <Skapare> TheFunkbomb: oh, bummer
[03:43] <wgrant> +/win 19
[03:43] <wgrant> Gr.
[03:43] <sebsebseb> wgrant: a bug that would be ignored I expect
[03:43] <TheFunkbomb> yeah.  Three computers and only once CD burner works.  And that one is offlimits to me
[03:43] <wgrant> sebsebseb: File a bug.
[03:44] <TheFunkbomb> one rather
[03:44] <sebsebseb> wgrant: what's the site for filling a bug though?
[03:44] <sebsebseb> wgrant: or I just use part of my luanchpad account to do it?
[03:44] <Skapare> sebsebseb: I guess I don't understand ... I was able to shut mine down ... and to log out
[03:44] <wgrant> sebsebseb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+filebug, most probably.
[03:44] <jtholmes> sebsebseb, thought you would never ask
[03:44] <TheFunkbomb> I'm thinking about just updating via the net but I'm worried about this ext4 stuff
[03:44] <sebsebseb> Skapare: via fusa yeah, but can you from the system menu in gnome?
[03:44] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: It won't use ext4 unless you explicitly tell it to.
[03:45] <TheFunkbomb> wgrant, the Jaunty page said it might not boot though
[03:45] <Skapare> sebsebseb: the little thing in the upper right corner?
[03:45] <TheFunkbomb> if I don't
[03:45] <sebsebseb> Skapare: yes that's fusa
[03:45] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: Where?
[03:45] <TheFunkbomb> um
[03:45] <TheFunkbomb> !jaunty
[03:45] <sebsebseb> Skapare: untill 9.04 people could also  shutdown or logout from the Gnome system menu
[03:45] <DG19075> has found the best Ubuntu installs to be from the DVD using the text mode. It works perfectly every time  for me......
[03:45] <TheFunkbomb> !daily
[03:45] <Skapare> sebsebseb: seems to get the job done ... you want it in a different menu?
[03:45] <TheFunkbomb> it's on one of those
[03:45] <sebsebseb> Skapare:  it  used to always be in the system menu,  untill 9.04
[03:45] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: You mean the release notes?
[03:46] <Skapare> sebsebseb: isn't the gnome menu controlled by some config file somewhere that you could change?
[03:46] <TheFunkbomb> yes
[03:46] <TheFunkbomb> think I should just do it anyway?
[03:46] <sebsebseb> Skapare: not for this it seems,   apparnatlly  can't  have it back unless removing fusa, but  I want both
[03:46] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: The release notes advise that if you explicitly make your filesystem ext4, you need to reinstall GRUB.
[03:46] <TheFunkbomb> ah so ext3 will work?
[03:47] <sebsebseb> TheFunkbomb: yes, but  9.04 is better on Ext4  by the sounds of it
[03:47] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: Yes. We wouldn't exactly release it if it was going to make most computers unbootable on upgrade.
[03:47] <TheFunkbomb> lol
[03:47] <wgrant> sebsebseb: ext4 is still unproven and somewhat buggy.
[03:47] <TheFunkbomb> that does make sense
[03:47] <TheFunkbomb> okay, what's the command again to upgrade?
[03:47] <sebsebseb> wgrant: says an Ubuntu dev?
[03:47] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: update-manager -d
[03:47] <Skapare> sebsebseb: well it works for me ... works noisy ... loud beep ... funky screen flashing ... that 8.10 didn't do ... but it goes down
[03:47] <snadge> where are the 9.04 release isos? ;)
[03:47] <TheFunkbomb> I'm gonna do it.  No time to chicken out
[03:47] <Lofde_> its ready?
[03:47] <wgrant> sebsebseb: To what?
[03:47] <sebsebseb> wgrant: that Ext4 is buggy?
[03:47] <wgrant> sebsebseb: Yes.
[03:48] <sebsebseb> wgrant: ok I got to clean install anyway really
[03:48] <Lofde_> its out?
[03:48] <Skapare> sebsebseb: so you are using kubuntu now?
[03:48] <wgrant> sebsebseb: There are known bugs in the ext4 implementation in the Jaunty kernel, that will be fixed after release. It is also inevitably less reliable than ext3, as ext3 has had years to have issues ironed out.
[03:48] <wgrant> Just a few days ago an issue with resizing particularly filesystems was uncovered.
[03:49] <sebsebseb> wgrant: when will the Ext4 bugs get properly fixed?
[03:49] <wgrant> sebsebseb: When they are.
[03:49]  * Skapare suspects some ext4 bugs may never get fixed, based on some readings
[03:49] <snadge> never mind that.. where are the install discs ;)
[03:49] <sebsebseb> wgrant: I  upgraded  from 8.10, to alpha6 a few issues there that remained,  continued updating, now I can't even get updates.  so yeah  I have  good enough reasons to clean install now
[03:50] <melik> "Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall"
[03:50] <melik> i'm on kubuntu 9.04
[03:50] <wgrant> sebsebseb: "can't even get updates" isn't too useful an error description.
[03:50] <melik> anyone know what i should do to fix samba?
[03:50] <sebsebseb> wgrant: and so I had been running this on Ext3 for about a month now
[03:50] <sebsebseb> wgrant: ok  stop sign on top panel
[03:50] <wgrant> sebsebseb: Run 'apt-get -f install'
[03:50] <melik> weird..
[03:50] <sebsebseb> wgrant: however over and it says:  An error occured when checking for updates
[03:50] <melik> now it sees it heh
[03:50] <melik> never mind
[03:50] <sebsebseb> wgrant: ah yeah good idea
[03:51] <snadge> im still using wifemurdererfs
[03:52] <sebsebseb> wgrant: plus my KDE4 is all buggered still, from when I upgraded.  ,but I had the ppa  in 8.10 for kde 4.2.   no log in sound on gnome.     not sure if  all the updates have even worked etc.   it's best to clean install once final is out I think :)   and yes  I know I was trying development versions, and so there would be bugs
[03:52] <sebsebseb> wgrant: people say  Ext4 has  quicker file system checks and such,  so  I want to try it out really.   would you recommend I have  data  I want to be sure to keep some where else as well,  just in case?
[03:53] <wgrant> sebsebseb: I would.
[03:53] <TheFunkbomb> I'm doing it!
[03:53] <wgrant> sebsebseb: fsck is much, much faster.
[03:53] <sebsebseb> wgrant: you would what?
[03:53] <wgrant> TheFunkbomb: Installing, or upgrading?
[03:53] <wgrant> sebsebseb: I would keep very good backups.
[03:53] <TheFunkbomb> upgrading
[03:53] <TheFunkbomb> cross your fingers
[03:53] <sebsebseb> wgrant: well most of my data isn't exaclty important, but there are a few things I would want to keep for sure
[03:54] <TheFunkbomb> such as porn
[03:54] <TheFunkbomb> I hear ya
[03:54] <sebsebseb> TheFunkbomb: lol,  you shoudn't be talking about such things here, to keep the channel family friendly :)
[03:54] <TheFunkbomb> I'm sorry "penetrative arts"
[03:55] <TheFunkbomb> better?
[03:55] <sebsebseb> !troll |  TheFunkbomb
[03:55] <TheFunkbomb> :(
[03:56] <jeiworth> sebsebseb: come now, dont be so square
[03:56] <sebsebseb> wgrant: I need to buy  my own external really,  but   having stuff in  the vista partition as well,  is a sort of backup.  not a proper one, since if the hard disk fails...
[03:56] <thiebaude> haha
[03:57] <ScUlHaMb4dO> Hello, everybody!
[03:57] <Daskreech> shiznebit: You have No idea waht 10.04 is
[03:57] <Daskreech> You don't even know what 9.10 is going to be like
[03:57] <jtholmes> ScUlHaMb4dO, greetings
[03:58] <sebsebseb> wgrant: ok thanks for your help
[03:58] <wgrant> sebsebseb: np
[03:58] <sebsebseb> wgrant: what do you  develope for Ubuntu?
[03:58] <ScUlHaMb4dO> I have a doubt, I'm running 9.04 RC, when the final version is launched, if I use the update manager and keep updating the system, will it be the same of the final version, or I will have to use update-manager -d?
[03:58] <sebsebseb> ScUlHaMb4dO: yes it will be the same as final
[03:59] <ScUlHaMb4dO> sebsebseb: Thank you!
[03:59] <wgrant> sebsebseb: It varies. I've done security stuff, X stuff, general touch-hundreds-of-packages stuff, a bit of GNOME stuff...
[03:59] <jtholmes> ScUlHaMb4dO, just updating should handle things for you
[03:59] <petafile> I bet everyone here has ben asking today, but is there a time that jaunty is supposed to be released?
[03:59] <TheFunkbomb> I had the same question but didn't want to be a called a troll again :/
[03:59] <myk_robinson> evening. How do I disable the login screen sound? Sometimes if I have left the laptop volume up loud, that login screen noise is kinda frightening :)
[03:59] <sebsebseb> TheFunkbomb: heh heh
[03:59] <jtholmes> petafile, no
[03:59] <ScUlHaMb4dO> Yeah, I was going to ask it too
[04:00] <sebsebseb> wgrant: oh right  well keep up the good work
[04:00] <petafile> how many people have asked that today?
[04:00] <shiznebit> Daskreech, 10.04 will probably be the time when we have excellent opensource 3D driver support :)
[04:00] <kungpowza> not me
[04:00] <LordKow> myk_robinson, System -> Preferences -> Sound -> Sounds tab
[04:00] <ScUlHaMb4dO> Well, 8.10 was launched like 2pm in my time
[04:00] <LordKow> it's under Desktop. select Login and click Disabled.
[04:00] <Daskreech> shiznebit: Heh
[04:00] <ScUlHaMb4dO> which it GMT -3
[04:00] <ScUlHaMb4dO> is*
[04:00] <sebsebseb> shiznebit: I know it was a joke, but  yeah  I highly doubt it since Windows will still have most market share
[04:00] <myk_robinson> LordKow: I checked there, I already have it disabled. That is the noise for after you login, I need to disable the one for the login screen
[04:00] <bjsnider> shiznebit, how would you define excellent opensource 3d driver support?
[04:01] <LordKow> oh that one
[04:01] <Daskreech> ScUlHaMb4dO: update-manager -d would techincally be 9.10 when 9.04 is out
[04:01] <Anyoseyo> where is the party :P
[04:01] <Daskreech> Luckily that doesn't happen until a few weeks after 9.04 comes out
[04:01] <Daskreech> then you really don't want to do it
[04:01] <ScUlHaMb4dO> Daskreech: Thanks!
[04:02] <ScUlHaMb4dO> Well, nobody knows when the final version will be released?
[04:02] <jtholmes> not yet
[04:02] <TarBar> Anyoseyo, in #ubuntu-release-party
[04:02] <yoasif> windows is losing marketshare
[04:02] <yoasif> no place to go but down
[04:02] <Anyoseyo> ty TarBar
[04:02] <TarBar> Yw :)
[04:02] <Daskreech> yoasif: No It could feasibly go up
[04:03] <yoasif> Daskreech: i really doubt it... apple is making inroads, as is ubuntu/netbook distros etc
[04:03] <LordKow> myk_robinson, press alt+f2 and run "sudo gdmsetup". it's under Accessibility -> "Login screen ready"
[04:04] <Daskreech> yoasif: true but they still could feasibly go up :)
[04:04] <Daskreech> !gksu
[04:04] <shiznebit> bjsnider, the moment my crappy ati x1300 could play nexuiz at a reasonable framerate and resolution, not 640x480 and 18 fps ;)
[04:05] <LordKow> hush, sudo works perfectly fine for this scenario.
[04:05] <wgrant> LordKow: gksudo is still much safer.
[04:05] <myk_robinson> LordKow: just disabled all sounds in the Sound preferences, it still does it..
[04:05] <LordKow> myk_robinson, interesting. let me try.
[04:05] <LordKow> oh well i'll test it in a bit. numerous downloads going atm
[04:05] <CITguy-Artemis> myk_robinson: what seems to be the issue?
[04:06] <LordKow> myk_robinson, you might need to reboot.
[04:06] <bjsnider> shiznebit, even thought he hardware is old junk
[04:06] <kungpowza> \
[04:06] <myk_robinson> CITguy-Artemis: I want to disable the "hand drums" sound that plays on the login screen, GDM, i think its called
[04:06] <Daskreech> shiznebit: Oh good open sourcedrivers for old cards. Oh then yes
[04:06] <CITguy-Artemis> myk_robinson:  which version of Ubuntu?
[04:06] <myk_robinson> Jaunty, Gnome
[04:07] <LordKow> myk_robinson, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1332515&postcount=6
[04:07] <LordKow> and oh yea. that's a dev using sudo.
[04:07] <LordKow> nothing wrong with sudo.
[04:08] <yoasif> anyone know what package i need to install to get a menu in xfce4-panel?
[04:08] <CITguy-Artemis> myk_robinson: I'm not sure what everyone else told you, but you'll need to disable the sound for the "Question" event and possibly restart the gdm via "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[04:09] <LordKow> i think robinson is there he just needs to restart gdm via ^ that command
[04:09] <Daskreech> CITguy-Artemis: Probabaly want to mention that will kill X
[04:09] <myk_robinson> CITguy-Artemis: I have disabled that sound and just logged out/back in. Should that be sufficient, or will i need to restart the service as you suggested?
[04:10] <CITguy-Artemis> myk_robinson: you'll need to completely restart gdm
[04:10] <linuxuz3r> when is 904 going to be released
[04:10] <linuxuz3r> ?
[04:10] <CITguy-Artemis> linuxuz3r: later
[04:10] <sebsebseb> wgrant: so  making a  Ext4 partition with 9.04 no problem,  and could use that for years,  but  the kernel itself needs some better  suppourt for Ext4 really.     just checking if I understood this correctly or not
[04:10] <wgrant> sebsebseb: Yes.
[04:10] <linuxuz3r> CITguy-Artemis: when is later?
[04:10] <jtholmes> linuxuz3r, we dont know
[04:11] <myk_robinson> Just thinking, those sound preferences are for my user profile, how will it effect the login screen? Particularly if there are multiple users. Is the gdm.conf method a better way since its global and takes effect before the user actually logs in?
[04:11] <CITguy-Artemis> linuxuz3r: after now
[04:11] <wgrant> Nobody knows.
[04:11] <Daskreech> before much later
[04:11] <sebsebseb> wgrant: ok good, because when I put 9.04 on with Ext4 soon,   I just  want to keep on updating that install for ages
[04:11] <CITguy-Artemis> linuxuz3r: seriously, we don't know
[04:11] <linuxuz3r> ok thanks
[04:11] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: Don't be fooled :)
[04:11] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: what?
[04:12] <LordKow> myk_robinson, gdm must be the same for all users because no user is logged in it (thats what gdm does)
[04:12] <Daskreech> you'll find a reason to wipe it :)
[04:12] <LordKow> it = yet
[04:12] <Daskreech> a year and a half BRTFS will come out and you'll wanna wipe it again
[04:12] <myk_robinson> LordKow: right, that's why I'm thinking that editing the gdm.conf should resolve it
[04:12] <kklimonda> Daskreech: i still have an ubuntu installation that i made from 5.10 install cd and then upgraded it up to 8.04 ;)
[04:12] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: ha ha yeah, maybe, if  I  get  9.10  on  beta or alpha.  which I am likely to do, but  beta
[04:12] <LordKow> myk_robinson, yea... im just confused because gdmsetup is the GUI for changing gdm.conf.
[04:13] <myk_robinson> LordKow: the link someone posted here a littlebit back showed an option for the sound played at the gdm and settings a variable to false
[04:13]  * sebsebseb thinks it's great that KDE3 is an option in 9.04 after all :)   sucked how it wasn't in repo for 8.10
[04:13] <Daskreech> kklimonda: I'm not saying it's impossible but if you are going to wipe your drive to install the first release of a new file system I don't think you are the kind of person who will easily resist new thigns coming out to make you wipe again
[04:13] <Daskreech> sebsebseb: No one stepped up to do it. If people help thigns get done
[04:14] <Daskreech> Right now it's one guy doing it he needs help as well
[04:14] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: are you a dev?
[04:14] <Daskreech> I'm devish
[04:14] <sebsebseb> Daskreech: is  the actsaul KDE3  suppourted at all stil though?
[04:15] <Daskreech> not by canonical but it's supported by Kubuntu
[04:15] <LordKow> myk_robinson, yes indeed. i thought that the gdmsetup option would have handled that, though. ubuntu is all about GUI > CLI so thats what i go for first.
[04:15] <g4lv4tr0n> any update about jaunty release
[04:15] <LordKow> i myself am CLI > GUI
[04:15] <Daskreech> g4lv4tr0n: Yes
[04:15]  * Daskreech hugs LordKow
[04:15] <LordKow> so a lot of times gui bugs pass me right on by
[04:15] <Daskreech> How do you manage image collections ?>
[04:15] <sebsebseb> g4lv4tr0n: don't expect 9.04  untill  it's not the 22nd in any part of the world still
[04:15] <Daskreech> That's the only thing I can't do in CLI
[04:16] <LordKow> i convert them to ascii.
[04:16] <kklimonda> :D
[04:16] <Daskreech> LordKow: That's not managing :-P
[04:16] <Daisuke-Ido> Daskreech: managing, mangling, same diff
[04:16] <LordKow> yes it is. i formulate the real image in my brain based on the ascii image im looking at ;)
[04:16] <g4lv4tr0n> seb what do you mean ? has it been delayed ?
[04:16] <Daskreech> Looking != managing
[04:17] <jtholmes> g4lv4tr0n, no one knows when it will be released
[04:17]  * Anyoseyo needs to bookmark the countdown/party channel
[04:17] <Anyoseyo> can anyone tell me again >..
[04:18] <g4lv4tr0n> oh it was meant to be today the ubuntu website said 1 day to go before midnight uk time and after midnight it said coming soon ???
[04:18] <CITguy-Artemis> g4lv4tr0n: the official release is supposed to be the 23rd, but we don't know if that means midnight or later on in the day
[04:18] <Daskreech> !jaunty > Anyoseyo
[04:18] <Anyoseyo> ty Daskreech
[04:18] <g4lv4tr0n> anyone know of the improvements between rc and final ?
[04:18] <Anyoseyo> nifty bot we have here :)
[04:19] <loomsen1> cpl of patches
[04:19] <TheFunkbomb> I'm nervous about this working
[04:19] <CITguy-Artemis> g4lv4tr0n: bug fixes and patches
[04:19] <jtholmes> g4lv4tr0n, bug fixes mostly
[04:19]  * robin0800 someone clear the pile of dead bunnies
[04:19] <TheFunkbomb> what if my computer isn't good enough?
[04:19] <Daskreech> robin0800: With lightning
[04:19] <shiznebit> its usually midnight of the date posted, so in this case midnight of april 23. Thats how the betas worked
[04:19] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: How CLI friendly are you?
[04:19] <loomsen1> lol
[04:19] <TheFunkbomb> I'm not familiar with that term
[04:19] <g4lv4tr0n> i prefer jaunty rc to intrepid :)
[04:20] <g4lv4tr0n> things generally work a lot better
[04:20] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Does the acronym TTY mean anything to you?
[04:20] <TheFunkbomb> Umm
[04:20] <loomsen1> ← thinks jaunty sux
[04:20] <TheFunkbomb> no?
[04:20] <Daskreech> loomsen1: \o/
[04:20] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Be afraid :)
[04:20] <TheFunkbomb> I know I've seen it.  I just don't know what it means
[04:21] <Daskreech> On the other hand I'm runing Gnome-shell and that sucker eats hardware
[04:21] <g4lv4tr0n> loomsen1 why do you think it sucks ? did you use intrepid ?
[04:21] <TheFunkbomb> What have I done?!
[04:21] <jtholmes> TheFunkbomb,  terminal window, command line interface
[04:21] <loomsen1> i used intrepid since it was as alpha as jaunty was when i started using it
[04:22] <TheFunkbomb> This is gonna be a 3 packs of cigarettes night
[04:22] <TheFunkbomb> I still have my 8.10 disk
[04:22] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Smoke in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:22] <TheFunkbomb> This is Jaunty related
[04:22] <DG19075> has discs from 7.04
[04:22] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: What are you computer specs ?
[04:22] <TheFunkbomb> AMD 3700+ 2gigs of ram
[04:22] <CITguy-Artemis> TheFunkbomb: you'll be fine
[04:22] <TheFunkbomb> phew
[04:22] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Ooooook
[04:23] <kklimonda> TheFunkbomb: what graphics card?
[04:23] <TheFunkbomb> It's an older machine though
[04:23] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Im running the Git interface for Gnome 3.0 and I have a 1.2 Ghz T-Bird athlon and 512 megs of RAM
[04:23] <TheFunkbomb> Nvidia intergrated sorta deal
[04:23] <Daskreech> If that helps you feel any better
[04:23] <TheFunkbomb> it does, thanks
[04:23] <TheFunkbomb> Nvidia GeForce 4Go 440 I think
[04:23] <TheFunkbomb> I can't remember
[04:24] <Daskreech> Though openeing a web page with flash does kill the machine
[04:24] <Daskreech> I have a ATI 9600 Pro
[04:24] <Daskreech> You'll be grand
[04:24] <CITguy-Artemis> i've got Intrepid running on 384MB RAM and a Pentium II
[04:24] <TheFunkbomb> that does just the opposite of making me feel better
[04:24] <CITguy-Artemis> lol
[04:24] <DG19075> is running an older emachines with a 1.2 GHZ P4 and 512 Mb of RAM and ubuntu runs fine
[04:24] <shiznebit> Daskreech, dont use flashblock ?
[04:24] <Daskreech> shiznebit: More like don't install Flash
[04:24] <TheFunkbomb> See, I pulled some old computers from the dump and I had no luck running Ubuntu on them
[04:25] <TheFunkbomb> These were like P3s and P4s though
[04:25] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: I was running Jackalope on a Sis 2 Meg Video card
[04:25] <Daskreech> 4 meg sorry
[04:25] <TheFunkbomb> Yeah, that's greek to me
[04:25] <TheFunkbomb> oh
[04:25] <manpoole> so anyone know a particular time of the release?
[04:25] <TheFunkbomb> I gotcha
[04:25] <TheFunkbomb> slow
[04:25] <DG19075> even Flash runs well here....
[04:25] <CITguy-Artemis> !jaunty | manpoole
[04:25] <kklimonda> manpoole: there is no such a thing
[04:25] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Think of the worst video card you can think of then break it in half then spit on it that's a Sis video card
[04:25] <TheFunkbomb> LOL
[04:26] <Daskreech> granted I can't run GNome 3 on it
[04:26] <DG19075> running SiS video here
[04:26] <Daskreech> but Gnome 2.26 seems to do fine
[04:26] <TheFunkbomb> I'm just not as computer literate as most people here.
[04:26] <hemanth> gnome do , docky theme not active
[04:26] <Daskreech> DG19075: Phear the GnomeShell
[04:26] <loomsen1> lol
[04:26] <TheFunkbomb> gnome-do docky doesn't work on Jaunty?
[04:26] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: If you want to know something ask. We can teach :)
[04:26] <Daskreech> IT does
[04:26] <TheFunkbomb> phew
[04:27] <hemanth> gnome do is , but not docky theme
[04:27] <Daskreech> I just found out about 2 hours ago and turned it on
[04:27] <TheFunkbomb> Well, hopefully as soon as I get my tax money back from the government, I'll start building a better system
[04:27] <hemanth> how do I enable composition ?
[04:27] <TheFunkbomb> and then once I get a good job, oh man.
[04:28] <TheFunkbomb> it's gonna be gangbusters up in this hizzle
[04:28] <CITguy-Artemis> hemanth: first, you'll need the 3D accelerated driver for your video card installed
[04:28] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: mine is non-free , me on Nvidia
[04:28] <bjsnider> CITguy-Artemis, assuming there is one
[04:28] <LordKow> yay just installed the latest jaunty daily which will become my karmic devel vbox
[04:28] <CITguy-Artemis> which card? integrated or dedicated?
[04:28] <kklimonda> LordKow: good idea
[04:29] <LordKow> now to see if virtualbox has vbox built for jaunty yet (closed source0
[04:29] <Daskreech> Isn't vbox open source?
[04:29] <Daskreech> Hopefully Oracle will keep it that way
[04:29] <Daskreech> Grubby buggers
[04:30] <kklimonda> hmm.. nice - newest vmware workstation supports easy install for ubuntu 9.04..
[04:30] <loomsen1> erm?
[04:30] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: it's dedicated
[04:30] <loomsen1> this means?
[04:31] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: Gforce
[04:31] <CITguy-Artemis> LordKow: I've got jaunty alpha running with acceleration on VBox 2.2
[04:31] <Zorix_> vmware workstation newest release doesnt work well for ubuntu
[04:31] <Zorix_> in fact it made it worse for my install
[04:31] <TheFunkbomb> Zorix_, as a host or a client?
[04:32] <kklimonda> Zorix_: what happened?
[04:32] <Zorix_> ubuntu 8.04 as host, 9.04 as client
[04:32] <TheFunkbomb> go on
[04:32] <Zorix_> it doesnt have X11 driver support
[04:32] <TheFunkbomb> I would like hear more about this
[04:32] <TheFunkbomb> oh
[04:32] <LordKow> CITguy-Artemis, yea im using the intrepid build but it's built against intrepid's pulseaudio which creates some minor annoyances
[04:32] <kklimonda> Zorix_: weird - it worked for me afair..
[04:32] <Zorix_> it makes the thing run in 800x600 until i manually force it to 1024x768
[04:32] <Zorix_> it keeps mouse cursor locked
[04:33] <CITguy-Artemis> really, like what?
[04:33] <Zorix_> the vmware-config-tools says it has no support for the version of X
[04:33] <leohartx> is final release out ?
[04:33] <LordKow> CITguy-Artemis, scratchy sounds when pidgin plays audio.
[04:33] <kklimonda> Zorix_: it's 6.5.2 ?
[04:33] <Daskreech> leohartx: A monkey just died
[04:33] <TheFunkbomb> One of my dreams is to have a workstation with Ubuntu as host and freebsd and Vista as clients and still enough juice to blow most machines out of the water
[04:33] <Zorix_> yes kklimonda
[04:33] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: What is the next step ?
[04:33] <CITguy-Artemis> Daskreech: lol
[04:33] <CITguy-Artemis> which GeForce card is it?
[04:34] <LordKow> TheFunkbomb, won't happen when vista will intentionally memleak itself to use up all available memory
[04:34] <loomsen1> why vista?
[04:34] <kklimonda> Zorix_: interesthing - i'll see what's going on soon
[04:34] <loomsen1> o.O
[04:34] <Zorix_> kklimonda: good luck
[04:34] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: forgot the version , is there a way to chk ?
[04:34] <loomsen1> lol lord
[04:34] <TheFunkbomb> Well, Vista or 7.  either one.
[04:34] <CITguy-Artemis> hemanth: you should be able to use the included drivers in jaunty
[04:34] <leohartx> Daskreech: huh ?
[04:34] <loomsen1> dont get in neither
[04:34] <loomsen1> take dos...
[04:34] <Zorix_> kklimonda: it's still usable its just not really an improvement
[04:34] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Sure thing just wait for three windows releases when Vista is like dos is now
[04:34] <CITguy-Artemis> "lspci | grep VGA"
[04:34] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: no it say unable to enable desktop effect
[04:34] <TheFunkbomb> The i7 mobos support 24gigs of ddr3
[04:35] <Daskreech> leohartx: Stop asking if it's out. The topic will change when it is
[04:35] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: GeForce2 MX/MX 400
[04:35] <CITguy-Artemis> oh, I've got the same card in my server
[04:35] <TheFunkbomb> 8 minutes until the package dload is done
[04:35] <kklimonda> Zorix_: but what weird is that 6.5.1 worked just fine.
[04:35] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: drivers ?
[04:35] <Zorix_> i noticed there hasn't been a daily build of ubuntu/kubuntu in 2 days, is there expected to be a build for final release or is it going to be the 4/20 build as final?
[04:35] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: auto updated aye ?
[04:35] <kklimonda> Zorix_: it is possible.
[04:36] <CITguy-Artemis> well, the unfortunate truth of the matter is that you'll have to install via the official NVIDIA driver
[04:36] <Zorix_> kklimonda: you running 6.5.2 yet?
[04:36] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: oki will have a look
[04:37] <CITguy-Artemis> since the latest versions of Ubuntu (since 8.10) have stopped supporting legacy cards, you'll have to install them from NVIDIA.com
[04:37] <Daskreech> Wait. They stopped supporting them? Why?
[04:37] <kklimonda> Zorix_: yes - but i've deleted my jaunty vm in meantime so i was testing it with different distributions.. i think everything workd as expected but now i'm not sure..
[04:37] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: ok thanks :) , will download it from there
[04:37] <wgrant> CITguy-Artemis, Daskreech: NVIDIA dropped support for them, not us.
[04:38] <kklimonda> CITguy-Artemis: shouldn't hardware manager install -legacy driver?
[04:38] <shiznebit> Daskreech, same reason ati stopped supporting R500 and less ?
[04:38] <kklimonda> or whatever it's called?
[04:38] <Daskreech> shiznebit: No I know why nVidia ATI would do it Why would Ubuntu do it?
[04:38] <CITguy-Artemis> IMHO, the open drivers included via the repository suck
[04:38] <Zorix_> vwmare really needs to provide a .deb package for ubuntu installations of vmware-tools.. its not like ubuntu is small anymore
[04:38] <Daskreech>  the FOSS drivers support the old cards
[04:38] <loomsen1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010710
[04:38] <CITguy-Artemis> Daskreech: not fully
[04:38] <kenneth> has anyone else seen kernel panics on LTSP clients with Jaunty? One of my two fails to boot and says "not syncing"
[04:38] <TheFunkbomb> oh man, I hope my wireless is supported
[04:38] <CITguy-Artemis> I've had issues getting 3d Accelleration to work
[04:38] <bjsnider> the last time i checked the 96 driver still works on old nvidia cards, and was updated for intrepid
[04:38] <Daskreech> CITguy-Artemis: Well Duh nVidia doesn't publish the specs for the cards
[04:38] <LordKow> ubuntu still provides the nvidia 71x and 96x drivers...
[04:39] <kklimonda> Zorix_: i know that there is opensourced and GPL'd (or something) version of vmware-tools
[04:39] <loomsen1> drivers in the repo usually get updated a cpl o days after nvidia releases new drivers
[04:39] <TheFunkbomb> well, it was supported by an 8.10 upgrade so it should now
[04:39] <kklimonda> Zorix_: so maybe they are going this way.
[04:39] <CITguy-Artemis> I've never had an open driver work for 3d Acceleration
[04:39] <Zorix_> kklimonda: that would be optimal
[04:39] <loomsen1> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122606
[04:39] <Daskreech> CITguy-Artemis: Mine work wonderfully
[04:39] <Jordan_U> CITguy-Artemis, The nv driver doesn't support 3D acceleration
[04:39] <CITguy-Artemis> Jordan_U: therein lies my struggle
[04:39] <kklimonda> well, installer is scanning mirrors atm so I'm almost done
[04:40] <loomsen1> chose the 96 s3eries and ull be fine
[04:40] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us , this is it right ?
[04:40] <Jordan_U> CITguy-Artemis, nouveau might work but it is still in heavy development
[04:40] <loomsen1> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122606
[04:40] <loomsen1> hemanth: (05:40:00) loomsen1: chose the 96 s3eries and ull be fine
[04:41] <kklimonda> Zorix_: this whole problem with jaunty and 6.5.2 is weird because that's the first version that supports Jaunty from the box (by detecting it when asked for cd/image)
[04:41] <CITguy-Artemis> honestly, since I've got the installation of the official NVIDIA drivers down "to an art" I don't even bother with the open drivers
[04:41] <Zorix_> kklimonda: its not even in the ubuntu client version list either
[04:41] <kklimonda> Zorix_: also mouse and video drivers are opensourced and included in vmware already.
[04:41] <hemanth> loomsen1: ok
[04:41] <hemanth> CITguy-Artemis: to an art :)
[04:41] <kklimonda> Zorix_: i mean in ubuntu
[04:41] <CITguy-Artemis> hemanth: that should do fine
[04:41] <wgrant> CITguy-Artemis: What art? Clicking on the button that does it all for you?
[04:42] <bjsnider> wgrant, yes, that art
[04:42] <Zorix_> kklimonda: yes but it seems somehow limited because it would unlock mouse from screen without ctrl-alt
[04:42] <CITguy-Artemis> wgrant: no i compile the driver for my system
[04:42] <wgrant> CITguy-Artemis: That's not a good idea.
[04:42] <kklimonda> Zorix_: are you sure that you use right driver?
[04:42] <wgrant> CITguy-Artemis: And also not useful.
[04:42] <CITguy-Artemis> doesn't take more than 5 minutes
[04:42] <kklimonda> Zorix_: X is known to ignore vmmouse and use plain mouse instead
[04:42] <bjsnider> it's not q question of time'
[04:42] <CITguy-Artemis> wgrant: enlighten me as to why?
[04:43] <wgrant> CITguy-Artemis: Because we have a perfectly good one-click way to do it that doesn't work around the package management system.
[04:43] <hemanth> loomsen1: 9 series is it ?
[04:43] <Zorix_> kklimonda: yea i dont like that
[04:43] <CITguy-Artemis> using the restricted drivers manager?
[04:43] <wgrant> CITguy-Artemis: Yes.
[04:43] <CITguy-Artemis> still, you are using open drivers that do not support the 3d acceleration
[04:43]  * Daskreech hugs his ATI card
[04:44] <loomsen1> yes, if the specs meet ur card....
[04:44] <bjsnider> not using jockey you aren't
[04:44] <CITguy-Artemis> and those drivers are meant to be used with as many systems as possible, so they are generic to your system at best
[04:44] <bjsnider> jockey installs the restricted drivers
[04:44] <loomsen1> QUOTE: Legacy releases for GeForce 2 through GeForce 4 series GPUs
[04:44] <loomsen1> 96
[04:45] <loomsen1> if u got older gpus
[04:45] <loomsen1> 71
[04:45] <loomsen1> geforce5 only 173
[04:45] <bjsnider> wgrant, here's another reason: jockey installs a working xorg.conf. the nvidia-installer doesn't
[04:45] <loomsen1> verything above newest
[04:45] <loomsen1> lol njsnider
[04:45] <loomsen1> sure it does
[04:46] <loomsen1> it even asks u if it should generate one for u and tells u that your old one will be backed up
[04:46] <wgrant> bjsnider: No! It can't! All those people who don't know how to compile the drivers themselves *must* be lieing!
[04:46] <hemanth> loomsen1: done downloading :)
[04:46] <loomsen1> if u werent clever enough to do that yourself
[04:46] <loomsen1> :)
[04:46] <loomsen1> aint hard, drop to a shell
[04:47] <hemanth> loomsen1: yup :)
[04:47] <loomsen1> stop gnome with: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:47] <loomsen1> wait
[04:47] <loomsen1> read first
[04:47] <bjsnider> nvidia-xconfig breaks xorg.conf
[04:47] <loomsen1> lol
[04:47] <loomsen1> stoned obv
[04:47] <kklimonda> Zorix_: so far so good - video driver works fine, mouse doesn't as expected
[04:48] <loomsen1> hemanth
[04:48] <Zorix_> weird
[04:48] <hemanth> loomsen1: yes
[04:48] <loomsen1> i have a quite demanding game going on atm, wait, i posted this so often, i'll just fetch u a link
[04:48] <kklimonda> i think i'll file a bug against vmmouse cause it should be detected
[04:49] <Stupendoussteve> Does update-rc.d work in ubuntu/upstart? I don't want gdm to autostart
[04:50] <wgrant> Stupendoussteve: Yes.
[04:50]  * Daskreech looks over loomsen1's shoulder and says put X in the corner then you have two ways to get TicTacToe!
[04:50] <Stupendoussteve> Great, thanks
[04:50] <Daskreech> Sooo Who is going to be using plymouth ?
[04:51] <kklimonda> Zorix_: i'll update to current as it's RC release - maybe there is some regression? But I don't think so..
[04:51] <Zorix_> maybe it just didnt like the upgrade from 6.5.1 to 6.5.2
[04:51] <loomsen1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7034212#post7034212
[04:52] <loomsen1> oops
[04:52] <loomsen1> wrong link
[04:53] <Daskreech> !info plymouth
[04:53] <loomsen1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1034543&page=2
[04:54] <Zorix_> cant wait for plymouth
[04:54] <bjsnider> plymouth isn't being added until koala
[04:54] <Zorix_> yea i heard that was a possibiliy
[04:54] <loomsen1> which keeps u from fetching it yourself?
[04:54] <loomsen1> just get the fedora live image if you cant wait
[04:55] <AlexFera> !info plymouth
[04:55] <Daskreech> bjsnider: Yes but I heard it was an option in jackalope as was ext4
[04:56] <bjsnider> there are no kms drivers in the jaunty kernel
[04:56] <loomsen1> jeezus christ
[04:57] <wgrant> Ubuntu 9.04 uses Linux 2.6.28, which does not have KMS/
[04:57] <loomsen1> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[04:57] <loomsen1> then get the new one?
[04:57] <loomsen1> jeez, its YOUR very own OS
[04:57] <loomsen1> you can do to it whatever you want
[04:58] <kklimonda> loomsen1: in my opinion it defeats a purpose of using "friendly" distribution.
[04:58] <baudelaire> anyone think linux will get a zfs like fs anytime soon?
[04:58] <Daskreech> baudelaire: read on brtfs
[04:58] <bjsnider> btrfs will be in the 2.6.30 kernel, which will be in koala
[04:58] <baudelaire> i'll check it out
[04:58] <loomsen1> kk: so the purpose should be to have an OS which a blind guy as well as a wall street bank can use?
[04:59] <loomsen1> jeez bj
[04:59] <baudelaire> i hadn't heard of it
[04:59] <Daskreech> baudelaire: Tux3 as well
[04:59] <baudelaire> awesome
[04:59] <Daskreech> That's even further out
[04:59] <Daskreech> Or you could just use Opensolaris :)
[04:59] <loomsen1> KIDS: GET THE FEDORA LIVE IMAGE IF YOU CANT WAIT
[04:59] <loomsen1> you'll have both
[04:59] <brianski> bjsnider: btrfs will not be anywhere near usable on 2.6.30 or koala
[05:00] <brianski> its still heavily in development, and that won't change for years, not months. that's why so much work went into ext4
[05:00] <bjsnider> it will be available though
[05:00] <loomsen1> if u wanna try, issue icantbelieveitsnotbtr to the cmd line in fedora
[05:00] <CITguy-Artemis> I don't get why people would want to jazz up their startup splash or bootloader for an OS that doesn't need to reboot.
[05:00] <loomsen1> and take a look
[05:00] <Daskreech> brianski: huh?
[05:00] <bjsnider> ext4 was worked on primarily by one guy. there's a whole team at oracle that's working on btrfs
[05:01] <CITguy-Artemis> no offense to those of you that do
[05:01] <brianski> Daskreech: what huh?
[05:01] <loomsen1> lol CIT
[05:01] <loomsen1> *THUMBS UP*
[05:01] <Daskreech> CITguy-Artemis: I don't get why people would pay money for an OS that has to reboot to change the sound scheme but no offense to peopel that do
[05:02] <MurielGodoi> is there a channel to release-party?
[05:02] <Daskreech> brianski: I fail to see how ext4 development had anything to do with brtfs
[05:02] <brianski> MurielGodoi: see topic
[05:02] <baudelaire> i would much rather stick with linux on my systems -- that being said zfs has some awesome technology.  we need someting like it in linux
[05:02] <Daskreech> It's not even the same folks.
[05:02] <Daskreech> baudelaire: I'd argue that Solaris needs it more :)
[05:02] <brianski> Daskreech: ah. it didn't, but its being marked stable in the kernel and use by distros has to do with btrfs not being ready anytime near soon
[05:02] <brianski> that was my main point. that btrfs is not going to be a fs you want to use on koala
[05:03] <baudelaire> Daskreech, oh?
[05:03] <kklimonda> Zorix_: mouse also works after i've installed manually xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse - even without messing with xorg.conf
[05:03] <loomsen1> lololol
[05:03] <loomsen1> i give up
[05:03] <MurielGodoi> brianski: I know that is not release... I just asked for the party channel that is create on every night before the release
[05:04] <loomsen1> buddy kk: only thing that changed about your xorg
[05:04] <loomsen1> is that it allows empty INPUT devices
[05:04] <bjsnider> brianski, btrfs has a full-time development team, not some guy working on it in his spare time
[05:05] <bjsnider> brianski, and they've already been working on it for years
[05:05] <loomsen1> and btw, the xorg.conf doesn't hurt half as much as you may think it will
[05:05] <Zorix_> kklimonda: oh good to know
[05:05] <kklimonda> Zorix_: also whole process (except for installation of vmmouse driver) is fully automated
[05:06] <brianski> bjsnider: if you want to use btrfs in koala, don't cry to me if you lose data :-)
[05:06] <loomsen1> lol
[05:06] <kklimonda> Zorix_: vmware has detected that I'm going to install 9.04, asked for login and password and then installed it without any user input.
[05:06] <Zorix_> kklimonda: i will check it out with release tomorrow
[05:06] <Daskreech> brianski: Yes but that's cause brtfs is being written from scratch while ext4 is an addition to ext3
[05:06] <loomsen1> just surf back for like 2 weeks on ubuntuforums.org ^^
[05:06] <Zorix_> not bad
[05:06] <loomsen1> funny as hell
[05:07] <Daskreech> Other than being file systems that are both linux centric they have little else in common
[05:07] <bjsnider> brianski, i'm simply making the point that it's unlikely to take years more before it's stable and usable
[05:08] <deemo> hey guys! i just updated to jaunty, but my top menu bar for every maximized app is gone! It does this with both compiz and metacity. Any pointers?
[05:08] <coder_> Hello , the system has no sound, and when i start up the system, i got an error pulseaudio  configured for pre-user sessions, Could you help me?
[05:09] <loomsen1> aint an error, open your volume control and disable mute
[05:09] <coder_> Hello , the system has no sound, and when i start up the system, i got an error that pulseaudio  configured for pre-user sessions, Could you help me?
[05:10] <loomsen1> (06:09:32) loomsen1: aint an error, open your volume control and disable mute
[05:10] <loomsen1> ?
[05:10] <philsf> I updated the package information with aptitude, but after that Update Manager never notified me that there were updates. is this a known bug?
[05:11] <philsf> (this includes firefox, which was a security upgrade)
[05:12] <wgrant> philsf: It will notify once a day for security updates, and once a week for non-security updates. It might not do that immediately.
[05:12] <philsf> wgrant, I just suspected because my other system is a Hardy one, and it's instantaneous
[05:13] <wgrant> philsf: This changed in Ubuntu 9.04.
[05:13] <philsf> wgrant, right, will check the release notes, thanks
[05:15] <fixxxermet> Release is 23rd, right?
[05:15] <kklimonda> yes
[05:16] <fixxxermet> Guess the other time zones need to catch up
[05:16] <thebishop> does anyone know if the Nouveau driver is supported on PowerPC?
[05:16] <kklimonda> thebishop: it may
[05:17] <thebishop> kklaine, will that work with compiz?
[05:17] <kklimonda> thebishop: no
[05:17] <thebishop> ah
[05:17] <thebishop> any idea how close nouveau is to supporting desktop effects generally?
[05:18] <kklimonda> well, they have started working on some basic 3d stuff on some hardware
[05:18] <loomsen1> worked earlier here for my nvidia 8600M gt
[05:19] <thebishop> loomsen1, oh yeah?
[05:19] <loomsen1> yep, fedora beta live image, issued nouveau.modeset=1
[05:19] <kklimonda> thebishop: according to their status page almost nothing in 3d part is done
[05:19] <loomsen1> worked
[05:19] <loomsen1> thats the point
[05:19] <thebishop> loomsen1, with compiz?
[05:19] <loomsen1> no 3d
[05:19] <loomsen1> no, just plymouth
[05:20] <thebishop> ah
[05:20] <loomsen1> till you'll be able to run compiz with nouveau i guess some more time has to pass by
[05:20] <thebishop> my brother would like to install ubuntu on his G5 iMac
[05:21] <thebishop> it's got a geforce 5200 which is why i ask
[05:21] <loomsen1> 173 series driver and GOGOGO
[05:21] <thebishop> loomsen1, PowerPC
[05:21] <loomsen1> dunno
[05:21] <kklimonda> thebishop: he's out of luck
[05:21] <loomsen1> in doubt, fetch the NVIDIA-*.pk2.run
[05:22] <thebishop> kklaine, yeah, i figured.  hopefully nouveau will make some progress in the nearish future
[05:22] <loomsen1> pk2 is the one supporting the most architectures
[05:22] <thebishop> loomsen1, i don't think that is correct
[05:22] <loomsen1> ok
[05:23] <kklimonda> thebishop: there were no closed drivers for linuc ppc
[05:23] <loomsen1> then read
[05:23] <Daskreech> hi DShepherd
[05:23] <kklimonda> so you are right
[05:23] <thebishop> the pk2.run file only supports x86 iirc
[05:23] <DShepherd> Daskreech, haha. hey man
[05:23] <loomsen1> well, just said its the one supporting more machines than pkg1 and pkg0
[05:24] <loomsen1> thats what Aaron says at least
[05:24] <DShepherd> Daskreech, i am considering to go jaunty.
[05:24] <racecar56> bye
[05:24] <Daskreech> DShepherd: saw http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/288 ?
[05:24] <racecar56> i say jaunty is pwn
[05:24] <loomsen1> l8r race
[05:24] <vantreeseda> was pleasantly surprised with 9.04 RC and the ease in making the WiFi work compared to previous versions.
[05:24] <Daskreech> DShepherd: Stay on Hardy :)
[05:25] <demmon> RC have problems with my nvidia
[05:25]  * DShepherd whispers to Daskreech I am on intrepid
[05:25] <Daskreech> DShepherd: Stay on Hardy :)
[05:25] <Daskreech> :-D
[05:25] <DShepherd> :-)
[05:26] <DShepherd> Daskreech, i saw the link but i never read it. reading it now
[05:28] <Daskreech> Seriously though jackalope is quite worth it I Think other than the bugs and FUSA it's a solid release
[05:29] <loomsen1> ...
[05:29] <Raere> 9.04 better be compatible with tuxracer
[05:29] <loomsen1> :D
[05:29] <Daskreech> Tuxracer hasn't been worked on in years
[05:29] <Raere> my point
[05:29] <Raere> it better be compatible
[05:30] <Daskreech> It got forked to planet penguin racer which is what installs if you install tuxracer package now
[05:30] <[t0rc]> awww I thought Jaunty was supposed to release today
[05:30] <jtth> yeah
[05:30] <jtth> i feel betrayed
[05:30] <Daskreech> which I may also add is now a dead project which has been forked to a new project
[05:31] <Daskreech> Ubuntu got dropped from GSoC ?
[05:32] <Daskreech> DShepherd: want to get back to KDE though :(
[05:33] <meshuggah_> when will 9.04 stable? how many hours?
[05:33] <Daskreech> meshuggah_: A lamb just died
[05:33] <loomsen1> lol
[05:34] <meshuggah_> Daskreech, sacrificied?
[05:34] <Daskreech> meshuggah_: Everytime someone asks that question :)
[05:34] <loomsen1> meshuggah: nervous?
[05:34] <Daskreech> Won't someone think of ewe?
[05:34] <meshuggah_> loomsen1, nervous? no, i use Debian
[05:34] <loomsen1> well then... keep it
[05:35] <meshuggah_> loomsen1, it is probably what i am gonna do
[05:35] <Daskreech> meshuggah_: That's about as non shaky as it gets
[05:35] <loomsen1> meshuggah: jaunty aint worth it imo
[05:36] <Daskreech> loomsen1: Wait till 10.04
[05:36] <brianski1> meshuggah_: are you a crazy person?
[05:36] <meshuggah_> but i will try the livecd, not sure my p4 1.5ghz 256mb ram will like it
[05:36] <Daskreech> brianski1: be nice
[05:36] <meshuggah_> brianski, , yes what is the meaning of meshuggah you think?
[05:36] <brianski1> Daskreech: that's what the name means :-)
[05:36] <meshuggah_> hebrew
[05:36] <Daskreech> Yes but you don't point that out :)
[05:36] <loomsen1> ^^
[05:36] <brianski1> whatever, i'm crazy too
[05:36] <meshuggah_> i am just a little bit crazy
[05:36] <brianski1> meshuggah_: i thought there was an extra syllable in there, meshuganah or something
[05:37] <loomsen1> yo skreech, didnt get that, 10.04?
[05:37] <Daskreech> loomsen1: Gnome 3.0
[05:37] <meshuggah_> brianski1, hmm to be honest maybe, anyway meshuggah is a great metal band too
[05:37] <loomsen1> ohh, well, fedora ships with gnome too, debian too, a lot of distros do actually
[05:37] <loomsen1> sabayon
[05:38] <lucax> still having problems with x3100, any ideas about a compiz ppa on launchpad or something like that??
[05:38] <loomsen1> compiz is stable atm
[05:38] <Daskreech> Is compiz ever stable?
[05:38] <loomsen1> you wont experience any difference
[05:38] <loomsen1> actually it is considered stable, yes
[05:38] <crdlb> the problem isn't compiz, except that ubuntu added a i965 blacklist in compiz-wrapper
[05:39] <kklimonda> Daskreech: well, it mostly works here
[05:39] <loomsen1> they're working on 0.9 now
[05:39] <loomsen1> http://www.compiz.org/
[05:39] <lucax> ok but even with compiz disable im not getting as much performance as i had on hardy!!
[05:39] <kklimonda> lucax: SKIP_TEST or whatever it's called didn't help?
[05:39] <frewsxcv> is the final uploaded yet?
[05:40] <lucax> kklimonda, nope
[05:40] <crdlb> SKIP_CHECKS=yes
[05:40] <meshuggah> frewsxcv, :)
[05:40] <loomsen1> http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/deception-train-demotivational-poster.jpg
[05:40] <kklimonda> lucax: you won't - there were regressions introduced in 8.10 - just read release notes
[05:40] <WatchBot> loomsen1: Please keep your links on topic and work safe.
[05:40] <kklimonda> !releasenotes
[05:40] <meshuggah> loomsen1, this link is funny lol :)
[05:41] <loomsen1> replace train with rape if you wanna see sth really funny :D
[05:41] <joserodrigo> hello, please i need help with wireless on 9.04
[05:41] <lucax> yeah i could go back to hardy but i wouldnt have lastest software on my computer
[05:41] <AK_Dave> joserodrigo: What is your wifi chipset?
[05:41] <joserodrigo> i have  atheros
[05:41] <joserodrigo> om a satellite a215
[05:42] <AK_Dave> joserodrigo: Thats not a chipset. Thats a manufacturer. And "Satellite a215" is the name of a model of Toshiba laptop. Not a wifi chipset. You can cull through 'lspci' and find your chipset.
[05:43] <loomsen1>  cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ath_pci.conf
[05:43] <AK_Dave> joserodrigo: But those two facts alone make me believe you have an Atheros 5xxx series wifi card and you're using the wrong, old ath_pci module and need to be using the ath_pci from madwifi
[05:43] <loomsen1> which is blacklisted
[05:44] <joserodrigo> waht do you think i should do?
[05:44] <joserodrigo> i am new at ubuntu,,,
[05:44] <loomsen1> docter[~] cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ath_pci.conf
[05:44] <loomsen1> # For some Atheros 5K RF MACs, the madwifi driver loads buts fails to
[05:44] <loomsen1> # correctly initialize the hardware, leaving it in a state from
[05:44] <loomsen1> # which ath5k cannot recover. To prevent this condition, stop
[05:44] <loomsen1> # madwifi from loading by default. Use Jockey to select one driver
[05:44] <loomsen1> # or the other. (Ubuntu: #315056, #323830)
[05:44] <loomsen1> blacklist ath_pci
[05:44] <loomsen1> docter[~]
[05:45] <lucax> where do i find the line to comment so i can have compiz on my intel x3100??
[05:45] <AK_Dave> joserodrigo: What do I think you should do? 'lspci' and confirm that you do indeed have an Atheros 5xxx series wifi chipset.
[05:45] <kklimonda> lucax: what happens when you run ``SKIP_CHECKS=1 /usr/bin/compiz --replace'' ?
[05:46] <crdlb> lucax: /msg fusiobot blacklist
[05:46] <kklimonda> lucax: ``SKIP_CHECKS=yes /usr/bin/compiz --replace''
[05:46] <vantreeseda> I did "apt-get install linux-backports-modules-jaunty" and rebooted and my AR242x chipset started working.  When using 8.10 I had to use the madwifi driver.
[05:47] <joserodrigo> Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[05:47] <Raere> it's just magic
[05:47] <Raere> any technology sufficiently advanced is indistuingishable from magic
[05:47] <Raere> in this case, Jaunty
[05:47] <lucax> kklimonda, nothing it says my card is blacklisted and its using metacity
[05:47] <kklimonda> lucax: even with SKIP_CHECKS=yes ?
[05:47] <crdlb> lucax: you need to run the second variation
[05:47] <lucax> kklimonda, Blacklisted PCIID '8086:2a02' found
[05:47] <crdlb> the script explicitly checks for 'yes'
[05:47] <AK_Dave> joserodrigo: See, I was wrong. I guessed one chipset, you had a different one. Yeah, 'sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules' is one way.
[05:48] <lucax> kklimonda, well now compiz is on
[05:48] <lucax> kklimonda, where can i place that so i can run compiz on everysession
[05:49] <crdlb> lucax: /msg fusiobot blacklist
[05:49] <frybye> Is Jaunty going to go "gold" today on schedule or ...?
[05:49] <wgrant> frybye: Yes.
[05:49] <Daskreech> frybye: Yes in short
[05:50] <frybye> koool... ;=)
[05:50] <magcius> Guys! I got multiple message support working in notify-osd!
[05:51] <kklimonda> magcius: yes, it works for some time.
[05:51] <Daskreech> magcius: How and what is that?
[05:51] <kklimonda> wait, multiple messages?
[05:51] <magcius> kklimonda, yes... I forked it.
[05:52] <joserodrigo>  I did "apt-get install linux-backports-modules-jaunty"  from the synaptyc packege manager
[05:52] <joserodrigo> and it did not worked
[05:52] <Daskreech> magcius: Wouldn't it be easier just to remove notify-osd ?
[05:52] <joserodrigo> i did it some days ago
[05:52] <magcius> Daskreech, but I like teh pretties!
[05:52] <meshuggah> is ubuntu 9.04 rubbish ?
[05:52] <kklimonda> joserodrigo: this package doesn't do anything right now
[05:53]  * Daskreech wouldn't like to see the result of a forked app everytime someone didn't like GNome Defaults
[05:53] <joserodrigo> so i should  do ? "apt-get install linux-backports-modules-jaunty"
[05:53] <Daskreech> meshuggah: Yes!
[05:53] <lucax> ok thanks guys now works ok (compiz)
[05:53] <crdlb> magcius: what is 'multiple message support', precisely? displaying multiple notifications from the same app in parallel instead of serially?
[05:53] <magcius> crdlb, yes.
[05:53] <kklimonda> joserodrigo: you can do it but it depends on current kernel so nothing will change.
[05:54] <magcius> crdlb, kklimonda: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/119372/notify-osd-multiple-messages.png
[05:54] <roved2101> Daskreech: whats wrong with it
[05:54] <RichardWolfVI> So, today's Jaunty's realease, ¿right?
[05:54] <crdlb> Daskreech: notify-osd isn't gnome :)
[05:54] <vantreeseda> joserodrigo: make sure the ath5k module is not blacklisted.
[05:54] <meshuggah> RichardWolfVI, , maybe
[05:54] <RichardWolfVI> I had to revert the intel driver, though :(
[05:54] <joserodrigo> so what should i do for my wifi to work?
[05:54] <vantreeseda> and that the ath_pci is
[05:54] <Daskreech> roved2101: If he had asked if it rocked then the answer would be the same
[05:54] <kklimonda> magcius: i like default behaviour
[05:54] <ex_machina> DId they specify a time for the release?
[05:54] <magcius> kklimonda, yeah, well I don't.
[05:54] <Daskreech> crdlb: Painfully aware of that
[05:54] <joserodrigo> how do i check that?
[05:54] <lucax> whats supposed to be wrong with intel and compiz?
[05:54] <kklimonda> magcius: the only place where multiple messages were useful for me was IM
[05:54] <roved2101> Daskreech: thats not nice
[05:55] <crdlb> lucax: it varies
[05:55] <magcius> kklimonda, Banshee?
[05:55] <Daskreech> roved2101: But it is factual
[05:55] <kklimonda> magcius: and it was solved by using append
[05:55] <meshuggah> BillGatesSucks, change your name please
[05:55] <magcius> kklimonda, or whatever other music you setup you have?
[05:55] <loomsen1> billgates actually does a lot of nice things with his money
[05:55] <kklimonda> magcius: It doesn't matter for me that I see notification about new tracker few seconds later.
[05:55] <kklimonda> track*
[05:56] <roved2101> loomsen1: yes he does. Prison planet stuff
[05:56] <TheFunkbomb> Hi friends!  I'm now all jauntied up!
[05:56] <meshuggah> lol
[05:56] <_Brian__> billgate is actually not evil :P
[05:56] <MarkJones> billgates ensloves millions every year
[05:56] <meshuggah> billgates is our savior, we wouldnt have computer, windows is a great thing
[05:56] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: All It's base R belong to us!
[05:56] <_Brian__> windows isn't bad
[05:56] <_Brian__> I'm on windows right now >.>
[05:57] <Daskreech> Somebody set us up TheFunkbomb
[05:57] <MarkJones> Windows is the root of all evil
[05:57] <TheFunkbomb> I'm off to hack the matrix and the gibson at the same time
[05:57] <_Brian__> windows is evil that we must learn to accept :D
[05:57] <meshuggah> MarkJones, he give lot of money to people
[05:57] <loomsen1> meshuggah: not quite accurate, if you want it like that steve wozniak is our saviour
[05:57] <yoasif> meshuggah: gates didnt invent computers
[05:57] <crdlb> magcius: music players should be fixed to update their existing notification
[05:57] <roved2101> windows killed my cat
[05:57] <crdlb> so that's not a valid example
[05:57] <MarkJones> yeah not me though so i can say what i want about the bastard
[05:57] <meshuggah> MarkJones, he made a lot of job opportunities
[05:57] <MarkJones> lol
[05:57] <MarkJones> ok Im done
[05:58] <_Brian__> eh
[05:58] <_Brian__> i ought to go
[05:58] <Daskreech> crdlb: Speaking of not being Gnome how long is the experiment slated for?
[05:58] <crdlb> Daskreech: sorry?
[05:58] <Daskreech> OSD
[05:58] <roved2101> is the log off shutdown options coming back to the menu in gnome
[05:59] <wgrant> roved2101: It will reappear if you remove the user switching applet.
[05:59] <crdlb> Daskreech: I'm still just as lost
[05:59] <roved2101> ok cool thanks wgrant
[05:59] <mattwj2002> roved2101 go to the top right corner
[05:59] <roved2101> yes
[05:59] <mattwj2002> you can shutdown there :)
[05:59] <roved2101>  and remove it
[05:59] <crdlb> wgrant: nice, never would have guessed that ...
[06:00] <roved2101> thats ok unless I kill the panel
[06:00] <mattwj2002> you killed it? o.O
[06:00] <Daskreech> The notify-osd is a canonical experiment to see how well it could work before trying to see if it can be pushed upstream. How long are they expecting to keep it running?
[06:00] <loomsen1> not even that would harm you, it would reload
[06:00] <roved2101> mattwj2002: ive killed it
[06:00] <wgrant> Daskreech: Forever, I guess.
[06:00] <roved2101> many times
[06:00] <kklimonda> Daskreech: there is no upstream
[06:00] <mattwj2002> hmmm
[06:01] <mattwj2002> not sure what to tell you :S
[06:01] <Daskreech> kklimonda: Hahahahaha
[06:01] <Daskreech> Qt
[06:01] <kklimonda> Daskreech: notify-osd is another implementation of notification specification.
[06:01] <loomsen1> mumbles if you are looking for something similar
[06:01] <Daskreech> No one implements the notification specification
[06:01] <Daskreech> So if you mean the FD.o then it would be the implementation of it
[06:01] <roved2101> mattwj2002: other than that it was ctrl at esc but that seems to have gone now due to x
[06:01] <loomsen1> http://www.mumbles-project.org/
[06:01] <kklimonda> Daskreech: ?
[06:02] <crdlb> Daskreech: what?
[06:02] <crdlb> the notification spec is not a cross-desktop one, yet, unfortunately
[06:02] <crdlb> but it's still a spec
[06:02] <mattwj2002> you could kill x with a ctrl alt backspace
[06:02] <loomsen1> add Option DontZap 0
[06:02] <kklimonda> Daskreech: both notification-daemon and notify-osd are implementation of notification spec.. neither do it right but they try ;)
[06:02] <Daskreech> Near as I recall There is a notification specification that neither Gnome nor KDE uses since both have issues with it
[06:02] <loomsen1> to your xorg.conf serverflags section
[06:03] <magcius> crdlb, can you do that with notify-send?
[06:03] <crdlb> magcius: I do not believe so
[06:03] <kklimonda> Daskreech: http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/0.9/index.html this is specification.
[06:03] <magcius> crdlb, then I consider it broken (my setup uses notify-send)
[06:03] <Daskreech> kklimonda: Yes I know
[06:03] <crdlb> magcius: pfft, using notify-send is silly
[06:03] <kklimonda> Daskreech: what do you mean that GNOME and KDE has issues with it?
[06:03] <crdlb> libnotify is not hard to use
[06:04] <bsrat> when does this release, eastern time?
[06:04] <loomsen1> lol
[06:04] <Daskreech> bsrat: When it's out
[06:04] <magcius> crdlb, it's a bash script that goes along with mpd.
[06:04] <bsrat> waiting for this, since my last update removed half my OS
[06:04] <crdlb> magcius: right, so write something more powerful :)
[06:04] <loomsen1> lol
[06:04] <kklimonda> magcius: and what is broken?
[06:04] <mattwj2002> well I am off to bed
[06:04] <bsrat> was the repos hacked?
[06:05] <mattwj2002> I hope to install the new ubuntu tomorrow :D
[06:05] <mattwj2002> good night all!
[06:05] <bsrat> nite matt, me too
[06:05] <meshuggah> good nigh mattwj2002
[06:05] <TheFunkbomb> hey, did anyone else have a slow boot up the first time?
[06:05] <TheFunkbomb> well, slow for ubuntu
[06:06] <magcius> kklimonda, notify-send?
[06:06] <loomsen1> compared to what funk
[06:06] <TheFunkbomb> compared to 8.10?
[06:06] <lucax> i did not have a slow boot, but didnt notice any difference with 8.10
[06:06] <kklimonda> magcius: how is it broken?
[06:06] <TheFunkbomb> well, that's interesting
[06:06] <TheFunkbomb> I'm here though so that works lol
[06:06] <loomsen1> i notice a small glitch of about 2 seconds if I specify vga=791 in the kernel line
[06:07] <magcius> crdlb, hold on, scratch that, I think you can append with notify-send.
[06:07] <loomsen1> +1 to forget this release of ubuntu before it's officially released
[06:08] <lucax> ok im switching back to windows 7 rc, ubuntu jaunty doesnt do the job...
[06:08] <DogBoy> is this where we beg you not to?
[06:08] <loomsen1> lol
[06:08] <kaali> lol
[06:08] <loomsen1> i enforce you to
[06:08] <loomsen1> prlly better
[06:08] <lucax> i was jockin
[06:09] <lucax> hehe
[06:09] <Daskreech> windows 7 seems nice
[06:09] <AK_Dave> lucax: wish ya luck with that!
[06:09] <DogBoy> it's always the user that bitches like "linux sux windows is better" that gets the most help
[06:09] <lucax> intel x3100 works ok with compiz i dont know why they blacklist it
[06:09] <crdlb> magcius: I don't see how, unless it's an undocumented option
[06:09] <loomsen1> i have yet to give it a try
[06:09] <crdlb> lucax: there are many hardware variations
[06:09] <hemanth> alt+tab not switching windows
[06:10] <frybye> Daskreech: for a change something new from ms that actually might be somewhat useable (and non.open and expensive and...)
[06:10] <crdlb> magcius: regardless, using notify-send when you are capable of real programming seems silly :)
[06:10] <Daskreech> MS does quite a lot of  new stuff
[06:10] <lucax> im not sure about windows 7 even if it looks ok and works ok, there will still be viruses and sh"#T for it so... its not a good deal
[06:10] <magcius> crdlb, something like notify-send -h string:append:yes
[06:10] <Daskreech>  just none f it is usually very good
[06:10] <hemanth> loomsen1: I installed nvida drivers , now if effects enabled , window border missing
[06:11] <loomsen1> well, then you didnt install emerald obv
[06:11] <loomsen1> or you chose a theme which you havent installed
[06:11] <loomsen1> or you havent even chosen a theme
[06:11] <campee> what time does jaunty come out?
[06:11] <crdlb> magcius: replaces_id is one of the parameters to the Notify method, which takes the ID you don't get from notify-send
[06:11] <TheFunkbomb> maybe it's just me but things seem crisper in Jaunty
[06:11] <ubuntunoobneedin> the new windows 7 basic on release will only run 3 applications at a time unless you buy the upgade microsoft is a bad joke i think
[06:11] <loomsen1> true funk
[06:12] <hemanth> loomsen1: I have embrald , me on compiz now !
[06:12] <loomsen1> that was my first impression of the alpha 3 back then
[06:12] <magcius> crdlb, with what libnotify method? Replaces/Appends is a Canonical extension.
[06:12] <TheFunkbomb> the text in terminal seems crisper.  as lame as that sounds
[06:12] <loomsen1> true
[06:12] <loomsen1> it actually isnt lame at all
[06:13] <lucax> we cant say bad stuff about windows, its a good OS for some people, it just a lot of viruses and security bugs for it, thats all, plus they want to make money so they need to release just an OS and not a complete suite of stuff for you to be ready to go after you install it
[06:13] <loomsen1> they finally managed to work on the fonts
[06:13] <TheFunkbomb> great, I just spent an hour updating for crisper terminal text lol
[06:13] <crdlb> magcius: I'm talking about the actual dbus method
[06:13] <loomsen1> ^^
[06:13] <loomsen1> get inconsolata
[06:13] <hemanth> loomsen1: what next ?
[06:13] <magcius> crdlb, oh.
[06:13] <loomsen1> aptitude install ttf-inconsolata
[06:13] <AK_Dave> TheFunkbomb: What installed with the upgrade?
[06:13] <TheFunkbomb> AK_Dave, yeah
[06:13] <loomsen1> well, your driver works? then do whatever u like hemanth :)
[06:14] <TheFunkbomb> 99% of the problem with Windows computers is the user.
[06:14] <hemanth> loomsen1: ha ha :)
[06:14] <TheFunkbomb> Most of those people should be nowhere near a computer....ever
[06:14] <hemanth> alt+tab is not working
[06:14] <lucax> i tried os x and it was really easy to work with... i would rather pay for it than payin for windows
[06:15] <campee> windows 7 is out?
[06:15] <lucax> but still, ubuntu (linux) works ok, and didnt have to pay a thing...
[06:16] <lucax> its a good OS, but not the greatest, i think the greatest OS is not out yet
[06:16] <AK_Dave> lucax: I use XP all day at work. XP is never the problem for me at work. Its the other crap that comes along with the network, the incredible layers of security. And having 4gb ram on a desktop but running all of my applications off a citrix server somewhere else.
[06:16] <campee> incredible layers of security in windows xp?
[06:16] <lucax> i agree
[06:16] <AK_Dave> campee: No, network security layers.
[06:16] <Rusty_A1> does jaunty have OO.o 3?
[06:17] <AK_Dave> Rusty_A1: yes
[06:17] <calc> Rusty_A1: 3.0.1
[06:17] <lucax> Rusty_A1, yeah
[06:17] <campee> windows xp has network security layers?
[06:17] <loomsen1> os x is basically unix with a custom kernel, which isnt 2 hard to achieve if you think that apple builds the hardware as well
[06:17] <AK_Dave> campee: No, networks have security.
[06:17] <campee> ah
[06:17] <kklimonda> loomsen1: you forgot about whole user interface ;)
[06:17] <lucax> i used all os, from bsd to apple, and i can say good stuff and bad stuff of every one of it...
[06:18] <lucax> of them
[06:18] <campee> linux ftw
[06:18] <TheFunkbomb> I think linux is the best out of all three.
[06:18] <calc> loomsen1: doesn't hurt that apple has had unix (real unix) for decades and bought NeXT which is what OSX basically is, which is also unix based
[06:18] <loomsen1> yah, well, cmon, they have to offer sth that would justify the prices
[06:18] <calc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX
[06:19] <calc> microsoft had their own unix as well
[06:19] <campee> they had to offer something because all of the previous versions of the Mac OS were awful and were not network operating systems
[06:19] <calc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
[06:19] <campee> microsoft used to have the most popular unix OS!
[06:19] <TheFunkbomb> now all I need to do is check to make sure evolution is working
[06:20] <TheFunkbomb> well, the notify part at least
[06:20] <ubuntunoobneedin> will jaunty have support for ipod touch?
[06:20] <loomsen1> y shouldnt it
[06:20] <Rusty_A1> not flawlessly
[06:20] <Rusty_A1> it has Amarok 2, so it is much easier
[06:20] <loomsen1> gmusicbrowser ftw
[06:21] <campee> amarok 2 is SHIT
[06:21] <Rusty_A1> you won't be able to connect and sync straight away
[06:21] <TheFunkbomb> I installed banshee.  I like it much better than Amarok
[06:21] <campee> please give us amarok 1 back!!!
[06:21] <ubuntunoobneedin> what will be involved in connect and sync
[06:21] <loomsen1> i dont see any difference between amarok. banshee, exaile, songbird....
[06:21] <joserodrigo> does anyone knows how to connect a blackberry as a modem?
[06:21] <Rusty_A1> you'll need technical knowledge, as well as a jailbroken iPod
[06:22] <TheFunkbomb> ooh.  Jaunty failed to auto-mount my external HDD
[06:22] <Daskreech> campee: or amarok 2.x+1
[06:22] <loomsen1> only app which actually felt most like it could replace foobar2K is gmusic imo
[06:22] <Daskreech> I haven't looked at foobar in years but I hated it when I tried it
[06:22] <ubuntunoobneedin> my biggest problem with linux is my lack of education
[06:22] <loomsen1> jose: i only had to connect my phone to use it as a modem
[06:22] <loomsen1> dont have a blackberry tho
[06:22] <campee> ubuntunoobneedin: books
[06:23] <loomsen1> campee: deprecated
[06:23] <loomsen1> google
[06:23] <ubuntunoobneedin> campee could you suggest a good one i am working on linux bible 2008 right now
[06:23] <TheFunkbomb> well, that's no good
[06:23] <campee> sure..
[06:23] <joserodrigo> loomsen1: without using apn?
[06:24] <campee> ubuntunoobneedin: the best thing you can do is take a class, probably. tried your local community college?
[06:24] <campee> i learned a decent amount of my unix/linux stuff reading books though
[06:24] <ubuntistas> and the final version when is gonee be uploaded in the mirrors?
[06:24] <TheFunkbomb> that's really bad in fact
[06:25] <loomsen1> jose: yes, just had to type in my prviders number and was online
[06:25] <campee> i awnted to get an RHCE, so i studied a lot for that. you can read one of those certification books to learn a decent amount about red hat linux.. the skills are portable
[06:25] <yoasif> loomsen1: what are you missing from foobar? just wondering
[06:25] <loomsen1> yoasif: in the meanwhile actually only the style
[06:26] <coppro> Okay, I think PHP is broken... which package should I need?
[06:26] <Daskreech> python-webdev
[06:26] <coppro> very funny
[06:26] <campee> ubuntunoobneedin: if you want to learn about linux and networking and server applications, i found this webpage to be useful and easy to understand: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/
[06:26] <ubuntunoobneedin> thanks campee
[06:26] <yoasif> loomsen1: is that all? tons of apps that you can customize the look of :)
[06:27] <coppro> (I'm trying to mirror a Mediawiki; either PHP itself is broken or the deps on mediawiki aren't
[06:27] <loomsen1> and the usability, tho gmusic is perfect once you get used to and get to know all of the non obv controls
[06:27] <TheFunkbomb> did anyone else have a problem with their external hard drives?
[06:27] <campee> i went from knowing almost nothing about linux to earning my RHCE (supposedly the best linux certification) in one year
[06:27] <SuperQ> heh
[06:27] <drone1> lpi...
[06:27] <Daskreech> campee: try LPI
[06:27] <drone1> i wan lpi...
[06:27] <loomsen1> yoas: true, there are tons of apps to customize and so on
[06:27] <drone1> LPI weeeh!
[06:27] <SuperQ> campee: You're doing better than some paid people I know then
[06:28] <campee> is LPI any good?
[06:28] <drone1> non vendor specific certification
[06:28] <Daskreech> campee: Quite
[06:28] <campee> last time i checked RHCE was the best
[06:28] <loomsen1> and, prlly i'm just not skilled enough
[06:28] <TheFunkbomb> I guess not
[06:28] <drone1> yes it is good
[06:28] <Daskreech> campee: Depends on your metric
[06:28] <campee> i like working on red hat servers
[06:28] <campee> i heard for LPI you need to know scripting
[06:28] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Does it turn up in /dev ?
[06:28] <drone1> LPI is is linux certification for non vendor specific
[06:28] <SuperQ> redhat is a lot like working with commercial *NIX
[06:28] <loomsen1> but i miss reflections, you know, that .net crap which made everything a little bit nicer :)
[06:28] <Daskreech> campee: Yes you do to some extent
[06:29] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, I will check
[06:29] <campee> yeah. i just saw that red hat had a huge market share so i thought it would be the most valuable cert i could get
[06:29] <Daskreech> campee: Depends on your metric :)
[06:29] <campee> what does that mean?
[06:29] <drone1> LPi is kinda like RHCE
[06:29] <Daskreech> What you are using to guage value
[06:29] <Daskreech> gauge
[06:29] <SuperQ> campee: Some people value other things than certs
[06:29] <drone1> but broader
[06:29] <loomsen1> yoas: http://customize.org/foobar/skins/57280
[06:30] <Daskreech> drone1: Not really RHCE is a practical test and LPI is written
[06:30] <drone1> i value irc more than certs
[06:30] <loomsen1> used this layout for quite a while
[06:30] <SuperQ> campee: I know atleast a few people that wouldn't consider someone for a job if they had RHCE on their resume
[06:30] <campee> i just wanted something that would help me get a job and help me earn more money
[06:30] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, yeah, it's in $ dev/disk
[06:30] <drone1> Deskreech, well yeah but the knowledge you acquire is basically the same
[06:30] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: As what ?
[06:30] <SuperQ> campee: But they're _very_ picky
[06:30] <campee> SuperQ: i've never heard of that. i've heard of that with MCSE though (which i have also)
[06:30] <Daskreech> campee: then yes RHCE is the most valuable
[06:30] <coppro> so anyone know about PHP?
[06:30] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, as USB
[06:30] <campee> SuperQ: most people tend to respect the RHCE
[06:30] <SuperQ> campee: Much more than MCSE, that's for sure
[06:31] <TheFunkbomb> You want a pastebin?
[06:31] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: can you mount it manually ?
[06:31] <campee> it's a 100% hands on test. it's not a multiple choice exam. you have to know what you're doing to pass it
[06:31] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, I don't know how to do that
[06:31] <campee> i also wanted to learn more about linux, so it was a win/win for me :)
[06:31] <TheFunkbomb> <~~n00b
[06:31] <drone1> i still want lpi
[06:31] <loomsen1> lol, obv
[06:31] <SuperQ> campee: Someone I know has a sysadmin at their work that has taken RHCE several times and failed
[06:31] <loomsen1> newb
[06:31] <loomsen1> ^^
[06:31] <Daskreech> campee: The RHCE website claims that an incentive to take the exam is that at you have a 70% chance of failure :)
[06:31] <loomsen1> www.thelinuxnewb.com
[06:31] <loomsen1> ^^
[06:32] <SuperQ> campee: So you're probably doing very well
[06:32] <campee> Daskreech: i failed the first time :(
[06:32] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: can you open a terminal ?
[06:32] <TheFunkbomb> I'm there
[06:32] <Daskreech> campee: They were right then
[06:32] <campee> i passed the second time though :D
[06:32] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: mkdir test
[06:32] <campee> i am taking my vmware certified professional test this friday
[06:32] <Daskreech> campee: You'll fail LPI first time as well
[06:32] <SuperQ> anyway, this doesn't seem related to 9.04 ;)
[06:33] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: mount /dev/diskwhateveryousaiditwas test
[06:33] <TheFunkbomb> okay
[06:33] <Rusty_A1> impressions on 9.04 everyone?
[06:33] <campee> SuperQ: that's crazy that they've failed multiple times.. it's $800 every time
[06:33] <SuperQ> Rusty_A1: Great so far
[06:33] <loomsen1> sux
[06:33] <SuperQ> campee: Yea, I dunno if their job is paying for it or not
[06:33] <Daskreech> My job pays for one exam. The one that you pass
[06:33] <Daskreech> Nice incentive
[06:34] <SuperQ> Daskreech: Yea
[06:34] <campee> heh
[06:34] <zhurai> \o/
[06:34] <SuperQ>  |
[06:34] <TheFunkbomb> I did that wrong lol
[06:34] <Daskreech> take any exam you want. if you pass then will pay :)
[06:34] <campee> lol
[06:34] <campee> i'd milk that
[06:34] <campee> get my CCNA
[06:34] <zhurai> Jaunty may break your system  <-- lol, if it broke your system now, then they should not even bother releasing jaunty o/
[06:34] <SuperQ> bah, don't bother with CCNA
[06:34] <SuperQ> CCNE
[06:35] <campee> NE?
[06:35] <campee> you mean CCIE?
[06:35] <SuperQ> yes
[06:35] <SuperQ> that one
[06:35] <lenyel_> has anyone tried using xmonad and had problems launching terminal mod-shift-return does nothing?
[06:35] <campee> i'm nowhere near being able to pass that exam
[06:35] <campee> that is the hardest cert there is
[06:35] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, I'm not sure what to do :/
[06:35] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: pastebin the output of ls /dev/sd*
[06:35] <SuperQ> I don't do cisco stuff anyway
[06:35] <loomsen1> Rusty: I wanna specify why i think it sux, besides the obsolete kernel it ships with and the lack of btrfs (even if its just for experimental purposes)
[06:35] <SuperQ> most of the stuff cisco makes is crap
[06:36] <Daskreech> loomsen1: install your own kenrel
[06:36] <loomsen1> i do das
[06:36] <TheFunkbomb> !pastebin
[06:36] <Daskreech> SuperQ: As a Linksys user I say ... no
[06:36] <loomsen1> ok, then i wont continue
[06:37] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, http://paste.ubuntu.com/156341/
[06:37] <Daskreech> loomsen1: There you go
[06:37] <loomsen1> well, one more thing, i'm on jaunty for quite a while now, and just yesterday my high CPU load got a little bit better
[06:37] <TheFunkbomb> sbd is the external I do believe
[06:37] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 test
[06:37]  * Amaranth fears riots over intel and IO issues
[06:38] <loomsen1> Das: but this cant be the intention if you're trying to contribute to a not yet released distro
[06:38] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, where should I make that directory?
[06:38] <loomsen1> if I'd do it myself i wouldnt even care
[06:38] <TheFunkbomb> In dev/disk?
[06:38] <loomsen1> if it was hardy, jaunty or leonidas
[06:38] <Amaranth> loomsen1: It's basically released
[06:38] <Daskreech> loomsen1: Only if you are contributing kernel modules and I'd argue you shouldn't do that through a distro
[06:38] <Amaranth> Nothing is going to change at this point
[06:38] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: You made it already
[06:38] <TheFunkbomb> yeah but I deleted it because I thought I made it in the wrong place
[06:39] <loomsen1> ama_: but it wasnt 3-4 weeks ago
[06:39] <loomsen1> and a look into ubuntuforums.com will show
[06:39] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Doesn't matter where just run "mkdir test && sudo mount /dev/sdb1 test && ls test
[06:39] <TheFunkbomb> okay
[06:40] <Res2216firestar> Hi, what time UTC is the final version 9.04 planned to come out?
[06:40] <Rusty_A1> no time announcements
[06:40] <Rusty_A1> its out when its out
[06:40] <HiveDrone> hello all :) I have a question I hope might have an answer before I reinstall after the new release. I installed 9.04 about a week or so ago, and installed the ATI drivers that was suggested by ubuntu at the time, the x server failed to start afterwards, is there a "quick" fix to this? and might it be related to running ATI Xfire?
[06:40] <vart> !outyet
[06:40] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, "mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Permission denied"
[06:40] <Rusty_A1> run it as root
[06:40] <Rusty_A1> eg sudo mkdir
[06:40] <AK_Dave> HiveDrone: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[06:40] <TheFunkbomb> lol
[06:41] <Res2216firestar> Ok, thanks, not familiar with the ubuntu cycle (mozilla geek) :)
[06:41] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: You said you deleted it?
[06:41] <ubuntistas> when ubuntu it's gone be uploaded in the mirrors?
[06:41] <loomsen1> HiveDrone: usually the xserver tellx you why it failed to start
[06:41] <HiveDrone> AK_Dave: thank you :) I will try that :)
[06:41] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: what does pwd say ?
[06:41] <loomsen1> and this is usually more reliable than us guessing
[06:41] <loomsen1> :)
[06:41] <HiveDrone> loomsen1: it said no screens were defined as I recall
[06:42] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, http://paste.ubuntu.com/156344/
[06:42] <loomsen1> i dont have an ati, so i dont know how the tool is called, but i'm pretty sure there is a tool to configure xorg.conf
[06:42] <TheFunkbomb> That does not look good
[06:42] <loomsen1> and, i'm sorry dave
[06:42] <cdm10> Hi guys... has anyone noticed that the new login theme wasn't made into a version with a face browser?
[06:42] <loomsen1> but youÄre command wont do the trick
[06:43] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Hope you have windows
[06:43] <loomsen1> it would DEconfigure xorg.conf
[06:43] <TheFunkbomb> I do.  On my desktop downstairs
[06:43] <loomsen1> replacing it with a generic
[06:43] <pwnguin> i swear the html 5 spec is designed to be a browser stress test
[06:43] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: I think it is 'aticonfig'
[06:43] <TheFunkbomb> A lot of that external HDD is uhhh private stuff
[06:43] <loomsen1> yep, sth like that
[06:43] <TheFunkbomb> we'll leave it at that
[06:43] <HiveDrone> thx guys :) got some pointers to try out now :)
[06:44] <AK_Dave> HiveDrone: type 'ati' and doubletap TAB before pressing enter
[06:44] <loomsen1> gl
[06:44] <loomsen1> jep
[06:44] <loomsen1> nice one AK
[06:44] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: connect it up to the windows machine and run a chkdsk on it when it's done then unmount it properly
[06:44] <HiveDrone> AK_Dave: oki :)
[06:44] <TheFunkbomb> okay
[06:44] <loomsen1> i'm using TAB after nearly every letter in a terminal
[06:44] <TheFunkbomb> I'll do that tomorrow.
[06:44] <Daskreech> loomsen1: I hate that
[06:44] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Too private to do right now? :)
[06:45] <TheFunkbomb> I don't want to wake up the family but I'll go do it
[06:45] <TheFunkbomb> brb
[06:45] <loomsen1> Daskreech: pardon?
[06:45] <loomsen1> what do you hate?
[06:46] <Daskreech> loomsen1: Always trying to autocomplete everything
[06:46] <loomsen1> well, it's actually more like getting a list of options
[06:46] <loomsen1> than autocompleting
[06:46] <Daskreech> I'll be writing a report and when I know what I want to say in my head I'll hit tab and wonder why it's not autocompleting it
[06:46] <fore> can someone tell me why, since i upgraded to 9.04 the flash player in my website doesnt display anymore?
[06:46] <Daskreech> loomsen1: Same thing :-P
[06:46] <fore> do i need to reinstall flash
[06:46] <loomsen1> things i wanna autocomplete i usually aliased with sth not longer than 3 letters :D
[06:46] <fore> Daskreech,  i do the SAME thing
[06:46] <fore> lol
[06:46] <AK_Dave> fore: Jaunty doesn't have adobe flash
[06:47] <td123> AK_Dave: what?
[06:47] <Rusty_A1> what? why not?
[06:47] <fore> wtf
[06:47] <td123> AK_Dave: how does it not have adobe flash?
[06:47] <fore> well how do i get it
[06:47] <fore> lol
[06:47] <Rusty_A1> swfdec and gnash suck
[06:47] <Daskreech> loomsen1: But OO.o has autocomplete for words you have done before with tab as well and IRC has nick completion
[06:47] <td123> I'm gonna checki if it doesn't have adobe flash
[06:47] <Daskreech> and I spend a lot of time in the terminal so I just expect all things to autocomplete
[06:47] <DShepherd> hey, how can i upgrade my ext3 to exta while upgrading to jaunty... and will i die doing it?
[06:48] <Daskreech> It's a little annoying
[06:48] <Daskreech> ext-advanced?
[06:48] <td123> DShepherd: you mean ext4?
[06:48] <DShepherd> td123, right. slip of the fingers
[06:48] <AK_Dave> The package in Intrepid was 'adobe-flashplugin' and its not in Jaunty right now.
[06:48] <Daskreech> DShepherd: Upgrade then convert
[06:48] <loomsen1> I dont think the AI shipped with jaunty will be able to go for some killing yet
[06:48] <cdm10> AK_Dave, no, it was flashplugin-nonfree
[06:48] <Rusty_A1> flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:48] <loomsen1> maybe in 10.04
[06:48] <loomsen1> ^^
[06:48] <td123> AK_Dave: hold up, booting jaunty in my vm :P
[06:49] <vart> there is shockwave flash plug-in for firefox
[06:49] <fore> Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package)
[06:49] <AK_Dave> This was my #1 flash fixer command before Jaunty: sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree && sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[06:49] <DShepherd> Daskreech, technically, OO.o only autocompletes words over a specified length.
[06:49] <robin0800> fore: Try adobe's site
[06:49] <cdm10> !info flashplugin-nonfree jaunty
[06:49] <fore> thats in synaptic
[06:49] <DShepherd> Daskreech, will i die? :)
[06:49] <fore> and installed
[06:49] <Daskreech> DShepherd: No
[06:49] <Daskreech> Your computer will
[06:49] <kaali> !info rtorrent jaunty
[06:49] <Daskreech> DShepherd: I changed that to be 2 in my now dead install
[06:50] <td123> adobe flash is jaunty... its called flashplugin-nonfree
[06:50] <Rusty_A1> !info amarok jaunty
[06:50] <DShepherd> Daskreech, huh?
[06:50] <td123> AK_Dave: adobe flash is called flashplugin-nonfree
[06:50] <Daskreech> DShepherd: The length of the word
[06:50] <AK_Dave> td123: No, different packages.
[06:50] <loomsen1> just get the archive from adobe
[06:50] <td123> AK_Dave: stop giving me heart attacks
[06:50] <td123> AK_Dave: what?
[06:50] <loomsen1> it's only one file
[06:50] <DShepherd> Daskreech, your sick!!!
[06:51] <td123> AK_Dave: it installs adobe flash what else do you want?
[06:51] <Daskreech> No I just type fast
[06:51] <trippin>  hi i was wondering if some one in here could tell me what i can do to fix my menu.lst file, i just upgraded to 9.04 and i'm still using uname -r 2.6.27-11-generic
[06:51] <DShepherd> Daskreech, so works like and and not and like and this autocompletes? your sick!
[06:52] <DShepherd> Daskreech, interesting, but sick
[06:52] <AK_Dave> td123: There was two seperate packages. flashplugin-nonfree was the inferior. Now there is only flashplugin-nonfree
[06:52] <td123> AK_Dave: it works though, and what was inferior?
[06:52] <loomsen1> actually it does only matter if you have a 64 bit OS
[06:53] <loomsen1> otherwise just grad any flashplugin you get your hands on
[06:53] <Daskreech> DShepherd: I normally type past those pretty quick
[06:53] <DShepherd> Daskreech, kewl
[06:53] <Daskreech> Yeah
[06:53] <AK_Dave> td: It does work, but I can't make a comparison any more because I'm using Jaunty. With Intrepid, it was night and day on Hulu.
[06:54] <loomsen1> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[06:54] <Cycom> is there support for K10 (AMD Phenom) temperature sensing yet?  Or at least a way to not have my CPU fan run at full speed all the time?
[06:54] <KelloggsFrosties> Does anybody know when vpnc via network-manager will  be going to work in Kubuntu Jaunty?
[06:54] <DShepherd> is there a 'one button' or one command to upgrade ext3 to ext4? is there a wiki page with this info?
[06:54] <Daskreech> !ext4
[06:55] <Daskreech> Stupid bot
[06:55] <td123> AK_Dave: hmm, really? get it from adobe's site then :/
[06:55] <ubuntistas> when ubuntu it's gone be uploaded in the mirrors?
[06:56] <robin0800> Its about time ubottu is brourt up to date
[06:56] <td123> ubuntistas: I think it will take some time (ask again in half a day) :P
[06:57] <cdm10> AK_Dave, you know, it was possible you were using a non-Adobe flash player before... Adobe Flash, while it's much more compatible with sites, can be a LOT slower and more CPU-intensive. flashplugin-nonfree simply, and always has simply, downloaded the latest Flash from the Adobe website and installed it for you.
[06:57] <AK_Dave> td123: Sure, but the original question was "adobe flash in jaunty". That question can be honestly answered "yes" or "no" and it all depends on your perspective. I said "no" because the adobe package isn't in the repos, although there is functional flash and you can download from Adobe.
[06:57] <loomsen1> just mind your OS
[06:57] <cdm10> AK_Dave, there is most certainly an adobe flash package. flashplugin-nonfree.
[06:57] <loomsen1> amd64 get the apropriate plugin and you wont suffer from any high load, sound lack or whatever
[06:58] <vart> Daskreech: like this? http://kyleabaker.com/2009/02/23/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-904-and-ext4/
[06:58] <td123> AK_Dave: no... the flash player that is installed in flashplugin-nonfree IS adobe's
[06:58] <cdm10> !info flashplugin-nonfree jaunty | AK_Dave
[06:58] <loomsen1> mine is running like a charm
[06:58] <loomsen1> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.22.87.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[06:58] <AK_Dave> cdm: If true, the removing flashplugin-nonfree and installing adobe-flashplugin would be a wasted effort and it most assuredly was not wasted effort on Intrepid.
[06:59] <cdm10> !info adobe-flashplugin intrepid
[06:59] <Daskreech> vart: I don't know. DShepherd. LIke that?
[06:59] <cdm10> AK_Dave, I'd like to point out that adobe-flashplugin doesn't exist.
[06:59] <cdm10> AK_Dave, at least in the repositories. You may have downloaded it from somewhere else.
[06:59] <AK_Dave> cdm10: I'd like to point out that I used to install it regularly.
[07:00] <cdm10> AK_Dave, see the ubottu message
[07:00] <genii> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[07:00] <td123> AK_Dave: ok, so you can download adobe-flashplugin from intrepid and install it on jaunty
[07:00] <cdm10> AK_Dave, if you installed it, it was from somewhere else.
[07:00] <cdm10> td123, the issue here is that adobe-flashplugin doesn't seem to exist, in jaunty OR intrepid.
[07:00] <Amaranth> cdm10: it's in partner and it's only 32-bit
[07:00] <td123> cdm10: then he got it from somewhere else
[07:00] <AK_Dave> cdm10: But it does appear that the function of that package may be rolled into the flashplugin-nonfree in jaunty
[07:00] <DShepherd> vart, i guess so. i have heard about some issues with grub after upgrading. have you heard of such (Daskreech )
[07:01] <Amaranth> AK_Dave: Nope, adobe-flashplugin is an actual packaged version approved by Adobe
[07:01] <Daskreech> haven't been paying much attention to ext3 upgrades most people I know are doing clean installs with ext4
[07:01] <Amaranth> That's why there is no 64-bit version, Adobe doesn't allow packaging prereleases
[07:01] <cdm10> Amaranth, so adobe-flashplugin is DEB-packaged by Adobe, while flashplugin-nonfree just downloads the tarball from Adobe and installs it?
[07:01] <Amaranth> cdm10: It isn't done by adobe but it is done with their permission
[07:02] <cdm10> Amaranth, interesting. Thanks for telling me this.
[07:02] <cdm10> AK_Dave, apologies for doubting its existence
[07:02] <cdm10> Amaranth, is 64-bit Flash still not released?
[07:02] <vart> Daskreech: yes ... but i do not use ext4 so far... too unstable for my likings according to the number off reported bugs...
[07:02] <RandumKiwi> please don't bash me for this, but, I can't find the time+timezone for ubuntu 9.04 release, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[07:02] <AK_Dave> cdm10: No offense taken.
[07:02] <Amaranth> cdm10: Still a Labs project, last time I checked
[07:02] <cdm10> RandumKiwi, it will come out when it comes out, it's not exactly scheduled too precisely. Never has been.
[07:02] <RandumKiwi> oic
[07:03] <DShepherd> vart, any speed improvements with ext3?
[07:03] <RandumKiwi> I figured it was an exact time, but I'm UTC/GMT+12, so it's a little confusing comparing times on the internet sometimes, since I'm so far ahead :|
[07:04] <cdm10> Amaranth, was there any functional difference between the payload of the two packages?
[07:04] <vart> Daskreech: it is one of the key features. I cannot say for myself though :)
[07:04] <Amaranth> cdm10: Nope, just the packaged one is guaranteed to not break when Adobe updates flash
[07:04] <Amaranth> cdm10: With the download one it breaks when they update until the package is updated
[07:04] <cdm10> Amaranth, thanks
[07:05] <Daskreech> DShepherd: not much with day today stuff fsck is crazy fast
[07:05] <loomsen1> no it doesnt
[07:05] <loomsen1> but if it makes things easier... hold it
[07:05] <DShepherd> boot Daskreech ?
[07:05] <loomsen1> ext3
[07:05] <Daskreech> yeah jackalope is a lot faster booting for me
[07:05] <RandumKiwi> thanks, looking forward to the release, just brought a new toshiba a300/m00... an awesomely spec'd laptop, so, can't wait to try it out, but it would be a waste of time to try, when the release is so close and I'd just have to re-do everything I install/configure/etc. :)
[07:06] <td123> Daskreech: same here :P
[07:06] <cdm10> Will things like the faster booting still kick in if it's upgraded and not fresh-installed? I've only tested on VMs.
[07:06] <AK_Dave> So... how to check the version of flash I have installed?
[07:06] <Cycom> hahaha! nevermind. I'm an idiot. I thought it was my CPU fan making all the noise, but mysteriously when I installed nvidia-glx-180, the fan stopped! how bout that?!
[07:06] <Cycom> it was my GPU the whole time.
[07:06] <loomsen1> dpkg -l | grep flash
[07:06] <cdm10> Cycom, nice :)
[07:07] <td123> RandumKiwi: prepare yourself to get stuff working :P since it's a new laptop and there are probably going to be issues if the hardware is new also :P
[07:07] <Daskreech> cdm10: should but of course cleaner is better
[07:07] <cdm10> Cycom, just one word of advice, I found that my system stopped being able to resume from suspend with -180...
[07:07] <RandumKiwi> td123: It's a new laptop, but also, end-of-line... ;)
[07:07] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Thanks!
[07:07] <loomsen1> yw
[07:07] <RandumKiwi> .. but, it's still better spec'd than most laptops around :D
[07:07] <td123> RandumKiwi: oh, smart move! :D
[07:07] <Cycom> cdm10: it has worked fine for me with my card in another system. about to test it on this one, though this is only wubi
[07:07] <vart> Daskreech: or you asking if 9.04 is working faster even on ext3? then answer is yes
[07:07] <Mark_Milliman> I haven't seen an update in two days after update-manager upgraded. Is there something up?
[07:08] <cdm10> Cycom, I'm running Intrepid on the machine that broke, so maybe the kernel in Jaunty fixes it or something.
[07:08] <loomsen1> AK listen
[07:08] <td123> Mark_Milliman: yes, they're releasing 9.04 :P
[07:08] <cdm10> Mark_Milliman, everything's frozen for release
[07:08] <loomsen1> you have a 64bit system right?
[07:08] <Cycom> cdm10: I told myself if I get audio, video (already working) and temp sensing (already working with a make install of lmsensors 3.1), that I would go all linux on it :)
[07:08] <Mark_Milliman> Is it that time already?  I haven't been paying attention. :)
[07:08] <AK_Dave> cdm10: My take-away from this is that the two packages, in Intrepid, must have simply been installing different versions of Adobe Flash. Both Adobe, different versions. But the package for Jaunty conventiently enough installs the current version.
[07:08] <AK_Dave> cdm10: We both learn together. :)
[07:08] <Mark_Milliman> doh!
[07:08] <td123> Mark_Milliman: it's today
[07:08] <loomsen1> get the archive i linked to above, remove every occurence of flash on your pc with aptitude --purge remove
[07:09] <Mark_Milliman> doh! doh!
[07:09] <loomsen1> save the archive to your home or where u prefer, I have a separate /opt partition for flash64, java64 and so on
[07:09] <loomsen1> however, remove everything and then ln -s it to the common places
[07:10] <loomsen1> that way it wont show in apt
[07:10] <loomsen1> so  it wont break if the flashplugin gets updatet
[07:10] <cdm10> Cycom, hardware support has gotten a lot better, very very fast. In the few years I've been using Linux, crazy stuff has happened.
[07:10] <Mark_Milliman> I guess I'll have to check again in the morning and see a flood new stuff.
[07:11] <cdm10> Mark_Milliman, probably not
[07:11] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: I have 64bit Jaunty. Curiously, I show as already having 10.0.22.87 but have only installed flash from apt-get not the archive you linked up.
[07:11] <cdm10> Mark_Milliman, you're probably running prett ymuch what they're releasing on CD later
[07:11] <loomsen1> maybe they got the metapackage in it in the meanwhile
[07:11] <loomsen1> there's a debian package which will install a script to check your arch and grab the apropriate package
[07:11] <cdm10> AK_Dave, that's the version they have in Jaunty, it's the latest...
[07:11] <Mark_Milliman> @cdm10, I think I need to go to bed. I am not paying attention.  You are right. I probably have everything from the RC that will be released.
[07:12] <Mark_Milliman> oops this isn't Twitter
[07:12] <AK_Dave> cdm10: Yes. You lagged out. I'll resend.
[07:12] <cdm10> Mark_Milliman, go to bed, you won't miss much, just a bunch of crazy traffic in the channel when it's released :)
[07:12] <loomsen1> AK: tho, theres still a difference
[07:12] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: ?
[07:13] <Mark_Milliman> dcm10, you are right.  I need sleep.  I just wish that the ATI drivers for older cards performed better in 3D.
[07:13] <loomsen1> for me, installing the deb package made opera nspluginwrapper try and wrap what it thinks is a 32bit flash lib
[07:13] <hifi> Mark_Milliman: you can try to get more of the old cards with some optimizations from the program side
[07:13] <loomsen1> if i simply link libflash.so to operas plugin directory nspluginwrapper doesnt even start
[07:13] <loomsen1> so i prefer that way
[07:14] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: I don't use Opera.
[07:14] <Mark_Milliman> hifi, I think I have tweaked my xorg.conf file about as much as I can.  Videos now play pretty well when Compiz is running.
[07:14] <loomsen1> then keep an eye on that
[07:15] <Mark_Milliman> hifi, 2D performance screams though but I like my eye candy.
[07:15] <billybigrigger> what is pybootchartgui?
[07:15] <hifi> ah, eye candy :)
[07:15] <loomsen1> may happen with FF as well (actually most plugins opera uses are the ones for firefox)
[07:15] <loomsen1> pybootchart is a system tool imo
[07:15] <loomsen1> a very powerful one too
[07:15] <Mark_Milliman> hifi Firefox scrolls poorly with the radeon drivers with Compiz active
[07:15] <billybigrigger> i just saw an update for it
[07:15] <hifi> which card
[07:16] <Mark_Milliman> that is probably my biggest complaint.
[07:16] <loomsen1> what former was the bootchart pkg and created jpgs is now pybootchart
[07:16] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[07:16] <loomsen1> www.opera.com
[07:16] <Mark_Milliman> hifi, Mobility X1300
[07:16] <billybigrigger> so whats the pybootchartgui then?
[07:16] <hifi> uh, that should be so bad
[07:16] <hifi> shouldn't*
[07:16] <billybigrigger> i thought all it did was pump out .pngs of your boot times
[07:16] <loomsen1> a viewer for the compressed format your bootchart is saved now
[07:16] <hifi> really, X1300 should do fine with compiz I suppose
[07:16] <Mark_Milliman> hifi, scrolling is crappy but it often overshoots and I have to scroll back.
[07:17] <hifi> though the chipset is pretty crappy
[07:17] <Mark_Milliman> hifi, zooming in and out of the cube is jittery, but rotation works well
[07:17] <hifi> I have a X1550 64bit on my work workstation and it's kind of slow
[07:18] <Mark_Milliman> hifi, in some ways the driver performs better than flgrx.  No tearing.
[07:18] <loomsen1> check your permissions on your video devices both of you
[07:18] <TheFunkbomb> okay back
[07:19] <TheFunkbomb> Daskreech, IT WORKED!
[07:19] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Of course it did
[07:19] <TheFunkbomb> I chkdsked the h-e-double hockey sticks out of it
[07:19] <luddite> gday all - was planning on upgrading today but its delayed - which is fine - im happy waiting as it usually means they are making it better
[07:19] <TheFunkbomb> I was all /fing and stuff
[07:19] <loomsen1> Heres a howto check and fix permissions for nvidia cards, i guess with minimal brain usage you should be able to find it for intel cards
[07:19] <Mark_Milliman> loomsen1, on the device itself or in xorg.conf?
[07:19] <loomsen1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=985737
[07:19] <TheFunkbomb> it was totally sweet
[07:20] <luddite> but is there a scheduled day they are looking to release?
[07:20] <TheFunkbomb> okay, it's definitely bed time though
[07:20] <TheFunkbomb> thank you all for your help
[07:20] <loomsen1> i dont know where the device is located for intels
[07:20] <Mark_Milliman> loomsen1 we are talking about ATI cards
[07:20] <loomsen1> same
[07:20] <loomsen1> just to make sure its not a permission bug
[07:21] <loomsen1> use ls -alh to view permissions in a terminal
[07:21] <loomsen1> ls -alh /dev/
[07:21] <Mark_Milliman> loomsen1, let me check out the article
[07:21] <loomsen1> and try and find your card, for me its /dev/nvidiactl
[07:22] <Daskreech> TheFunkbomb: Good night
[07:22] <loomsen1> (the 2nd post isnt recommended, it was a problem related to that driver back then)
[07:23] <td123> wait, so since 9.04 is in a freeze until release, does that mean that there will be updates right after they release it?
[07:23] <loomsen1> yes!
[07:24] <td123> now I get it! :D
[07:24] <loomsen1> so, relly really clever would be downloading a netinstall.iso
[07:24] <loomsen1> that way, you'll be installing while everyone else is still downloading ;)
[07:24] <loomsen1> servers will be under heavy load today
[07:25] <wtv> how many hours to go?
[07:25] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: I'll just push a torrent over to my FreeNAS box and get in the car to go to work.
[07:25] <td123> loomsen1: that would be great if I only did this one time (which I'm not)
[07:25] <wtv> its 23rd april in most parts of world
[07:25] <linuxguymarshall> I am trying to get my battery working on my Lenovo S10. Ubuntu 9.04. Same issue as described here : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1035411.html            I have asked many places, waited for long times and no one seems willing to help. Anyone have any solutions they want me to try?
[07:26] <loomsen1> well, most of us upgraded already anyway right?
[07:26] <loomsen1> wont be much of a difference
[07:26] <loomsen1> some updatet packages
[07:26] <loomsen1> nothin more nothin less
[07:26] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: True. Nothing gained for me, except bragging rights for seeding the torrent.
[07:26] <loomsen1> ^^
[07:26] <wtv> !jaunty
[07:27] <loomsen1> AK
[07:27] <loomsen1> http://www.thelinuxnewb.com/
[07:27] <loomsen1> you might wanna give it a try :)
[07:28] <loomsen1> (my first blog, so comment it will ya! )
[07:28] <loomsen1> :D
[07:28] <coz_> ah oh obvious self advertising lol :)
[07:28] <loomsen1> lol
[07:29] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Oh, self advertising. Okay. Because it doesn't appear to apply to me. But maybe if I read deeper.
[07:29] <linuxguymarshall> Anyone at all? Can I get an ounce of advice?
[07:29] <AK_Dave> linuxguymarshall: have you tried installing ibam?
[07:29] <loomsen1> applies to everyone having an intel chip
[07:29] <loomsen1> amd owners will prlly only have to change the downloadlink
[07:30] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Well, I suppose I have a P4 in my server. But it runs BSD not linux.
[07:30] <linuxguymarshall> AK_Dave:Doing that right now
[07:30] <coz_> guys just noticed an older bug reappeared ... putting images and icons on the desktop they will not update  if I change them until I go into the home folder  and click the "Desktop" icon
[07:31] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Big thing missing in the how-to is WHY would I do this? What do I gain? Whats the advantage for me in loading new microcode for my CPU? Would this benefit my Intel Atom based netbook?
[07:31] <loomsen1> i cannot check/confirm, i dont have any icons at all ^^
[07:31] <loomsen1> sure
[07:31] <Ububegin> whats up with Jaunty... its not yet released...
[07:31] <loomsen1> big answer is the first pic
[07:32] <Ububegin> whats up with Jaunty... its not yet released...
[07:32] <loomsen1> you may notice the 2 lines nearly overlap the whole time
[07:32] <loomsen1> and intel usually updates the microcode pretty often
[07:33] <loomsen1> so, you'd do it due to the same reasons you update your OS
[07:33] <Ububegin> Isnt it the 23rd already in the US now... Has it been delayed...
[07:33] <linuxguymarshall> AK_Dave:iBam Total battery time : 1:54:00           Total charge time : 2:00:00
[07:33] <linuxguymarshall> AK_Dave:It is plugged into AC
[07:34] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Yes, the two lines overlap. I don't know what the graph means.
[07:34] <luddite> i think that they will have to put the next release 9.11 instead of 9.10
[07:34] <cemc> jaunty with gnome. I have no visual effects enabled, still when I minimize a window, there's a basic minimize effect. How can I disable that?
[07:34] <AK_Dave> linuxguymarshall: I think that addresses what you were seeking.
[07:34] <luddite> oh dear - 9.11 references :-)
[07:34] <melik> ubuntu with kde 4.2, full desktop effects works perfectly on an asus 901 eeepc lol
[07:34] <loomsen1> it's the load of each of the two cpus
[07:35] <pace_t_zulu> luddite: why do you think 9.11?
[07:35] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: the Atom isn't dual core. It is hyperthreaded.
[07:35] <luddite> i have 8.10 running perfect any reason to upgrade?
[07:35] <loomsen1> doesnt matter
[07:35] <loomsen1> it shows the benefit
[07:35] <linuxguymarshall> AK_Dave:No, I want my battery monitor to work, and the data is not changing, it has been unplugged for a few mins now
[07:36] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Okay, I'll give it a shot on the Atom but I don't have a way to try this on my P4.
[07:36] <loomsen1> i posted the official description on top of the post
[07:36] <loomsen1> this applies to P4 as well
[07:36] <loomsen1> it's like a bios flash yet without flashing the bios
[07:36] <luddite> pace_t_zulu because 8.04 and 8.10 and 9.04 all released later in the month - so its getting to the end of the month - so i predict that the 9.10 release will miss the 10 and release in the 11
[07:37] <loomsen1> it aint persistant neither, you'll have to uodate the code upon every boot
[07:37] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: The P4 is the heart of a FreeNAS fileserver. It runs BSD. It runs an embedded install.
[07:37] <loomsen1> i see
[07:37] <loomsen1> well, as they say, dont preach, mention ^^
[07:37] <loomsen1> just wanted to mention ^^
[07:38] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: I could I suppose shell in and try this but being BSD it uses all different stuff inside. BSD is pretty much voodoo to me.
[07:38] <manpoole> so what is expected be different about the final version anyone know?
[07:38] <loomsen1> never messed with, so i believe you unseen :)
[07:39] <loomsen1> couple of bugfixes
[07:39] <Amaranth> manpoole: Little secret: if you're up-to-date right now you have the release
[07:39] <loomsen1> its not windows, the final will be obsolete in a week as well
[07:39] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Anyways, I'll try this right now on the netbook and report if it bricks. :P No, seriously, I reboot the netbook ONLY when a kernel update requires it. Suspend/Hibernate otherwise. It had a month of uptime until I installed Jaunty on it.
[07:40] <loomsen1> yeah, i remember you mentioned that earlier
[07:40] <loomsen1> So, where's the difference? Just curious, i dont use hibernation at all
[07:40] <loomsen1> maybe i'm missing sth? :)
[07:40] <linuxguymarshall> I would really like to get my netbook battery running. Not knowing how much juice I have left is a big problem
[07:41] <luddite> is there any reason to upgrade once 9.04 is out?
[07:41] <luddite> im on 8.10
[07:41] <loomsen1> linuxguymarshall: did you try asking proc?
[07:41] <loomsen1> sure
[07:41] <loomsen1> the same reason every upgrade is useful
[07:41] <Daskreech> luddite: please read the changelog and answer that for yourself
[07:41] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: One of my motivations to install Jaunty instead of sticking with Hardy was I wanted to repartition anyways, and in doing so I added a swapfile on the SSD so I could hibernate. Jaunty is considerably crisper than Hardy, but the UNR interface is very sluggish so I stick with gnome.
[07:42] <luddite> oh yeah ofcourrse - i forgot about the changelog
[07:42] <linuxguymarshall> loomsen:Not sure how to do that. I don't really consider myself an advance IRC user
[07:42] <luddite> is it using a different filesystem by defualt?
[07:42] <loomsen1> ^^ u dont have to be :)
[07:42] <AK_Dave> linuxguymarshall: Are you using the Power History that you get to by R-click the battery applet on the panel?
[07:44] <loomsen1> linuxguymarshall: for me its under /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1
[07:44] <loomsen1> cd /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1
[07:44] <loomsen1> ls -alh
[07:44] <linuxguymarshall> I know what it is
[07:44] <linuxguymarshall> All the data seems wrong
[07:44] <linuxguymarshall> And does not tell me what I want to know
[07:44] <loomsen1> so same data there as well?
[07:45] <linuxguymarshall> yes, same, no accurate data
[07:45] <cemc> jaunty + ati(fglrx) + compiz, all the window minimizations/maximizations/resizes are slow. Is there any bugreport I can add comments to ?
[07:45] <linuxguymarshall> I was using the battery for an hour earlier and all the indicators showed the same thing as the battery does at 100%
[07:46] <loomsen1> i see, so it didnt show the unload stats if i get u right
[07:47] <linuxguymarshall> correct
[07:47] <linuxguymarshall> None of the data changes
[07:47] <loomsen1> humm, you have the power manager installed? it has a couple of features to show graphs
[07:47] <loomsen1> not working neither
[07:47] <loomsen1> dam
[07:47] <loomsen1> humm, gl then ^^
[07:47] <linuxguymarshall> It detects the battery, it knows all the information about it such as type and manufacturer, but it just cant tell the battery life
[07:48] <linuxguymarshall> Which for a 3-cell netbook is a problem when I am happy to get 3 hours
[07:48] <loomsen1> nor can the files under /proc?
[07:48] <loomsen1> you have acpi-support installed too i guess?
[07:49] <loomsen1> and you havent disabled acpi on your kernel boot line
[07:49] <linuxguymarshall> Correct
[07:49] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Okay, I did the apt-get. I'm in section 2. I edited /etc/modules and did sudo depmod -a. Big delay. But lsmod doesn't show a microcode module
[07:49] <linuxguymarshall> I checked GRUB and reinstalled ACPI
[07:49] <loomsen1> do u have /dev/microcode
[07:49] <loomsen1> ?
[07:50] <DanaG> microcode and ACPI don't have anything to do with each other.
[07:50] <loomsen1> and udev?
[07:50] <loomsen1> well, nice one Dana
[07:50] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: I have all the udev stuff. I do not have a /dev/microcode
[07:50] <DanaG> microcode is for CPU microcode updates.
[07:50] <loomsen1> maybe you have to logout and back in
[07:50] <DanaG> the dsdt is the ACPI thing.
[07:51] <linuxguymarshall> I have rebooted multiple times
[07:51] <loomsen1> Dana, I'm just fightin on two fights
[07:51] <loomsen1> dont worry
[07:51] <DanaG> ah.  Two conversations at once.
[07:51] <DanaG> =þ
[07:52] <roxan> what is the date and time
[07:52] <loomsen1> AK_Dave:
[07:52] <loomsen1> /dev/cpu/microcode
[07:52] <loomsen1> is the node that should have been created
[07:53] <loomsen1> wait, i'm doing it in a chroot
[07:54] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: No /dev/cpu no /dev/microcode no /dev/cpu/microcode
[07:54] <DanaG> funny thing seen on an HP Pavilion N5240 (also known as Omnibook XE3-GC, I think):
[07:54] <DanaG> Bios dated 1992.
[07:54] <DanaG> This was a P2-Celeron laptop.
[07:54] <loomsen1> humm, i just noticed i didnt even have to create it in my chroot
[07:54] <DanaG> I don't think P2 existed in 1992... did it?
[07:55] <loomsen1> 2.6.28-11-generic
[07:55] <loomsen1> has it by default
[07:56] <loomsen1> http://pastebin.com/m54c7428a
[07:56] <loomsen1> heres the log
[07:57] <linuxguymarshall> So, anything for me?
[07:57] <loomsen1> dmesg | grep .i error
[07:58] <loomsen1> dmesg | grep -i error
[07:58] <loomsen1> dmesg | grep -i warning
[07:59] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: I think the problem is that 'sudo depmod -a' just isn't doing anything. But it seems to do SOMETHING. I mean, it pauses with a delay for a sec or two.
[07:59] <loomsen1> whats the output of cat /proc/modules
[08:00] <loomsen1> maybe pipe it through | grep microcode
[08:01] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: nothing
[08:01] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: no microcode module
[08:01] <karbo> is the version available through the update-manager the final version, or the rc? it says '9.04', but is it still the RC?
[08:01] <loomsen1> maybe your kernel doesnt support it?
[08:01] <loomsen1> but thats pretty strange, as its enabled by default
[08:02] <gartral2> will upgrading break stand alone .debs that ive installed, or break coston gcc installs?
[08:02] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Yes, probably Atom doesn't support it.
[08:02] <loomsen1> linuxguymarshall: take a look into the help of the battery applet
[08:03] <loomsen1> theres some troubleshooting
[08:03] <loomsen1> but... guess u did that already eh
[08:03] <loomsen1> AK_Dave: sorry, shouldnt be :)
[08:03] <linuxguymarshall> Yes, I have tried just about everything I can think of
[08:03] <loomsen1> i bet u did
[08:04] <loomsen1> what vendor is it?
[08:04] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[08:04] <raddy> At what timezone final version will be out?
[08:04] <loomsen1> sup rad, did u steal the release image?
[08:05] <freakabcd> hi all.
[08:05] <loomsen1> no, there is no timeline
[08:05] <Furu> hey all! Ive been waiting for a month now:P Is it worth installing the RC version? can i just upgrade it to the release version once the release is out?:P
[08:05] <freakabcd> will the dvd iso be released simultaneously along with the cd image?
[08:05] <loomsen1> open a special tab in your browser and try and build a robot which hits ctrl +r once every ten seconds for u
[08:05] <td123> Furu: just wait, you waited 30 days but you can't wait less then a day more?
[08:06] <AK_Dave> Furu: My opinion is: sorry, yes, yes.
[08:06] <Ububegin> can someone pm me when ubuntu 9.04 is released...  its already 12.05 pm in san francisco... Shit, are they based in Hawaii
[08:06] <freakabcd> Furu, if you really cannot wait, then the update is certainly possible. Given that it was an RC, you will expect very few (if any) changes to the final release
[08:06] <gartral2> loomsen1: its called the ReloadEvery... plugin
[08:06] <loomsen1> lol
[08:06] <loomsen1> touche
[08:06] <Furu> lol
[08:07] <raddy> freakabcd : so they are not working till last minute to iron out more bugs.
[08:07] <Furu> 09:10 AM in norway... maybe they are based in australlia because i belive they are around 3am:P
[08:07] <Ububegin> Furu:  yoh, it dinner time in Aussie already
[08:08] <loomsen1> if you're goin after that, samoa would most likely be the deadline
[08:08] <Ububegin> Furu: on the 23rd April , I mean
[08:08] <freakabcd> raddy, in your dreams my good friend.
[08:08] <AK_Dave> Ububegin: I bet the folks at Canonical got a good night sleep and might throw the switch when they show up at their desks in the morning, their time.
[08:08] <freakabcd> too much work to roll out last minute fixes
[08:08] <loomsen1> but it's such a pleasure observing the forum
[08:08] <Furu> ah,, ububegin ofcourse. my bad:)
[08:09] <raddy> freakabcd : I think most Distros will use the RC-to-Final period to prepare Online Updates for the Critical issues found in RC.
[08:09] <raddy> Am i right?
[08:09] <freakabcd> i mean, given the time required to complete a full build and test if (possible bug has been fixed) or (something else has broken down), there will almost never be last-hour changes
[08:09] <freakabcd> or even last day unless it is a showstopper bug
[08:09] <loomsen1> i guess its more important to prepare the servers for the reload every... plugin attack
[08:10] <BonezAU> hi, does anyone know what time in UTC Jaunty will be released? It's the 23rd April here right now at 3:10pm so I just want to get a rough idea of when the final release will become available... thax
[08:10] <freakabcd> yeah, most of the stuff happening now is admin work, syncing mirrors, etc.
[08:10] <loomsen1> most of us updatet anyway or am i wrong?
[08:10] <Ububegin> BonezAU: i think they are following Samoan time... so another 4 more hours....
[08:10] <zhurai> lol
[08:10] <BonezAU> Ububegin: awesome, thanks ;)
[08:10] <freakabcd> BonezAU, it is 7:10 in NZ now. maybe they want to wait till the last minute to announce and release :p
[08:11] <BonezAU> freakabcd: yeah I'm in Perth
[08:11] <raddy> But this release is not that promising :( it is like Win7 to Vista :(
[08:11] <Ububegin> BonezAU: just kidding , dude.. you didnt think , I was serious, did you..  I dont even think there is a server in Samoa... :D
[08:11] <loomsen1> *signed* raddy
[08:11] <stimpie> raddy, lets hope not
[08:11] <BonezAU> Ububegin: no, I knew you were joking :)
[08:11] <Gabz^laptop> 12:00 pm UTC is the normal release time
[08:12] <freakabcd> Ububegin, there doesn;t nee to be a server there if they just want to use that timezone for release
[08:12] <loomsen1> sigh, my hope died a cpl of days ago
[08:12] <Furu> maybe the dev's have overslept...
[08:12] <BonezAU> I'm in the +0800 timezone, and it's 3pm now. so maybe at 8pm tonight it will be released?
[08:12] <freakabcd> Gabz^laptop, 1200 UTC? grr.. thats going to be 2200 for me
[08:12] <Ububegin> BonezAU: where you from.. i am same timezone also.. from singapore
[08:13] <raddy> I dunno what hell Ubuntu devs where doing in the last 6 months, :(
[08:13] <BonezAU> Ububegin: I'm in Perth, Western Australia
[08:13] <loomsen1> #2
[08:13] <AK_Dave> raddy: weeeeeed
[08:13] <loomsen1> LOL
[08:13] <loomsen1> *busted*
[08:13] <BonezAU> vaiting....vaiting...vaiting... :)
[08:13] <BonezAU> smoko time
[08:13]  * zhurai is gmt-8
[08:14] <loomsen1> 9AM here
[08:14] <AK_Dave> raddy: Flavoured postage stamps, perhaps?
[08:14] <Ububegin> If even sees the ubuntu 9.04 released.. Inform us directly here... then we can proceed to whack the server....
[08:14] <raddy> Novell and Redhat is taking lot of challenges in polishing beta stuff and releasing it early n'all and providing expermental new featues
[08:14] <Ububegin> even/anyone i mean
[08:14] <raddy> But Ubuntu even disabled EXT4
[08:14] <loomsen1> yep, i really enjoied fedora earlier
[08:15] <loomsen1> and actually i wanted to boot into sabayon like one hr ago ^^
[08:15] <Ububegin> raddy: for ubuntu 9.04 , do we have to partition the hard disk with ext4 ..or will the ext3 work
[08:15] <AK_Dave> raddy: Jaunty can use ext4
[08:15] <loomsen1> raddy:  i totally sign that
[08:15] <loomsen1> it's a disappointment
[08:15] <raddy> At least they could spend the last 6 month designing a steller theme for Gnome, but they didn't. instead added some themes from Gnome-Looks :(
[08:16] <loomsen1> they enable ipv6 by default, dont ship the new kernel, disable Zap
[08:16] <loomsen1> thats definetely to much
[08:16] <Ububegin> raddy: there is a recession going on, man... what makes u think canonical didnt lay off developers.
[08:16] <raddy> Ububegin : I think you have to partition your drive as EXT4 before installing Ubuntu
[08:17] <loomsen1> Ububegin: up 2 you
[08:17] <loomsen1> ext4 drives can even be mounted as ext3
[08:17] <freakabcd> Ububegin, ext4 is essentially ext3 + extras
[08:17] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: new kernel didn't make codefreeze for Jaunty. Its nitpicky, but Canonical is getting harda$$ about their 6mo release cycles and trying to force everyone to toe the line. Kernel not ready on their schedule? Next release!
[08:18] <freakabcd> Ububegin, as loomsen1 said, you can mount ext4 partitions in intrepid
[08:18] <loomsen1> next release is in 6 months
[08:18] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: Yes.
[08:18] <loomsen1> obsolete
[08:18] <foogmaa> what's wrong with ipv6?
[08:18] <loomsen1> there's no ipv6 in germany
[08:18] <raddy> See folks i am really disappointed in the development Ubuntu done in the last 6 months, as they are just polishing Debian packages :(
[08:18] <loomsen1> whats wrong with compiling it as a module?
[08:19] <loomsen1> true
[08:19] <loomsen1> 100%
[08:19] <foogmaa> I don't have ipv6 on my modem or router, but it causes no trouble here
[08:19] <crdlb> some broken consumer networking hardware apparently breaks when ipv6 is enabled
[08:19] <crdlb> loomsen1: modules are not free
[08:19] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: thats the downside of scheduled releases. Perhaps a rolling upgrade suits you better.
[08:19] <loomsen1> it definetely does
[08:19] <loomsen1> actually i'm rolling quite a while already :D
[08:20] <loomsen1> but i got other distros installed too, tho this is the most complete and my main dist
[08:20] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: I don't see it as "right way" or "wrong way". Ubuntu is part of Canonical's business model.
[08:20] <raddy> People are also saying that Runniing Performance is not that much improved to earlie versions
[08:21] <AK_Dave> raddy: I'll say Jaunty is pretty crisp, and Kubuntu Jaunty is really crisp.
[08:21] <loomsen1> what really improved are the fonts, finally they managed to work on intercompatibility to windows fonts
[08:21] <raddy> Considering Windows 7 is not too far, Canonical could have done much much better in last 6 month
[08:22] <godor> hi, is on Jaunty still ext2 a good choice for a solid state disk?
[08:22] <lupine_85> nah, (k)jaunty is a good piece of work
[08:22] <loomsen1> ext3
[08:22] <cdm10> godor, ext2 isn't a good choice for anything
[08:22] <AK_Dave> raddy: Lot to be said for having Microsoft's development budget.
[08:22] <godor> what to use on a ssd
[08:22] <loomsen1> cant compare that anyway
[08:22] <lupine_85> godor, depends entirely on how much writing the ssd can cope with
[08:23] <loomsen1> microsoft will release 7 which will thereafter be as it is for some years again
[08:23] <LordKow> there are at least two sets of fonts that i can think of that completely own the microsoft core fonts: RH's liberation fonts, and the droid fonts
[08:23] <lupine_85> jffs2/cramfs/something else that gets turned into a ramdisk on boot is always am option
[08:23] <cdm10> godor, ext3 should be just fine
[08:23] <loomsen1> microsoft updates are only patches, they dont add any functionality
[08:23] <lupine_85> generally not worth the effort, eye
[08:23] <cdm10> modern SSDs aren't going to wear out too fast.
[08:23] <AK_Dave> godor: I use ext4 with my netbook's SSD.
[08:24] <godor> the wiki said ext2 minimizes disk writes
[08:24] <loomsen1> me 2 except my boot is ext3
[08:24] <raddy> I accept that Canonical don't have as much deep pockets as MS has, but they could have at least improved their theme, it is badly aging :(
[08:24] <loomsen1> / /home /opt /usr all ext4
[08:24] <cdm10> godor, it's true, but ext2 isn't anywhere near as reliable as ext3.
[08:24] <AK_Dave> loomsen1: My /boot is ext2 and / /home are both ext4
[08:24] <lupine_85> raddy, have you seen kubuntu jaunty?
[08:24] <raddy> lupine_85 : Not yet,
[08:24] <lupine_85> I updated it a couple of days ago and dropped stuff
[08:25] <lupine_85> gorgeous
[08:25] <loomsen1> wont be much of a difference will it
[08:25] <raddy> lupine_85 : but they are using standard theme.
[08:25] <loomsen1> it cant be much of a difference
[08:25] <lupine_85> still gorgeous
[08:25] <AK_Dave> raddy: First login to kubuntu jaunty, prepare to be discouraged at how long it takes to set up profile or whatever it does for a long delay. Second login? WOW!
[08:25] <lupine_85> and gorgeouser than any windows monstrosirty
[08:25] <godor> thanks, than i could giv ext4 a try on my acer aspire one (got 1,5 GB Ram so no swap partition)
[08:26] <AK_Dave> godor: No swap means no hibernate.
[08:26] <godor> ok
[08:26] <loomsen1> but you should be able to create a persistens image which will run completely in ram
[08:27] <raddy> Is Desktop search working in Kubuntu 9.04?
[08:27] <AK_Dave> nitenite
[08:27] <godor> looseman1: First I like to keep it simple
[08:27] <raddy> Both Kubuntu and Ubuntu is only delivering updated apps.
[08:27] <raddy> Nothing else
[08:28] <lupine_85> raddy, that and a whole lot of integration testing
[08:28] <loomsen1> yep, cpl of lines of code to be replaced by another cpl of lines
[08:28] <freakabcd> raddy, well. we could go back to debian with their insanely long release cycles!
[08:28] <lupine_85> oh, and bufixes.
[08:28] <lupine_85> bug*
[08:28] <raddy> lupine_85 : is desktop search working?
[08:28] <steveccc> hi all - does anyone know what time the full version will be available - its 23rd in uk but presume you have to wait for the US to catch up?
[08:28] <loomsen1> freakabcd: we could as well go forth to fedora...
[08:28] <lupine_85> not a clue, work's still using hardy
[08:28] <Ububegin> "It's worth noting that the speed boosts seem to be much greater for those willing to risk the Ext4 filesystem" .. so ext4 gives faster boot up speed
[08:29] <lupine_85> (we have an ltsp system we don't want to break)
[08:30] <raddy> lupine_85 : what i am asking is, Desktop Search working from KDE Menu
[08:30] <loomsen1> fedora really isnt much of a difference, packagekit is integrated WAY better than it's been so far in jaunty
[08:30] <lupine_85> raddy, hang on, I'll just walk out of work and go home and check for you
[08:30]  * lupine_85 never tends to use search
[08:30] <td123> steveccc: it's the 23rd in the US already also
[08:30] <loomsen1> so one could even install deb packages if one would
[08:30] <raddy> lupine_85 : don't take that much pain.
[08:30] <lupine_85> I wasn't planning on it ;)
[08:31] <Ububegin> steveccc: you have to wait for the samoan time.. its still 22nd April there..
[08:31] <loomsen1> lol
[08:31] <lupine_85> is totally the 23rd here too
[08:31] <steveccc> ububegin: is that a joke or is that true?
[08:31] <lupine_85> unfortunately
[08:31] <loomsen1> or use the reload every ... plugin
[08:31] <loomsen1> ^^
[08:32] <lupine_85> wish it were still the 22nd
[08:32] <Ububegin> steveccc: its true.. i swear upon my privates..
[08:32] <godor> so ext4 is also for a solid state disk a good option
[08:32] <godor> ?
[08:32] <loomsen1> as long as its not your boot disk
[08:32] <loomsen1> it is
[08:33] <loomsen1> tho
[08:33] <td123> loomsen1: why can't it be your boot disk?
[08:33] <loomsen1> you should consider whether you want to turn journaling off or not
[08:33] <godor> grub support of ext4 shuld be there in Jaunty true?
[08:33] <raddy> Is Kubuntu contain OOo, Firefox, etc?
[08:34] <loomsen1> might happen that the last 30 seconds of your work disappear after reboot
[08:34] <steveccc> ububegin: i just saw it - weird - you would have thought they would center it on a major country time zone maybe a location in africa (that is where ubuntu is based on isnt it?)
[08:34] <godor> can i turn jurnaling off under ext4?
[08:34] <td123> steveccc: saw what?
[08:34] <loomsen1> raddy: if you dont want all that junk, just get a netinstall iso
[08:35] <loomsen1> and install a cl system, then use apt to grab xorg gnome-session and gdm
[08:35] <loomsen1> and there you go
[08:35] <Ububegin> td123: he fell for my joke and thought they were really releaseing it based on samoan time.. btw, its arnd 9pm 22nd april in samoa
[08:35] <steveccc> t123: i am in #ubuntu-release-party where they mentioned somoa
[08:35] <raddy> loomsen1 : i didn't treat Firefox, OOo as junk. it is really necessary, moreover i don't have such a fast internet/
[08:36] <loomsen1> raddy: using opera, but my point was actually that i prefer installing what i want than removing what i do not want
[08:37] <raddy> Is system tray icon uglyness when compiz enabled issue resolved in KDE4?
[08:37] <frybye> Hey greetings to Samoa - enjoy! ;=)
[08:38] <Cycom> cdm10: remember what I was talking about before with my sound?
[08:38] <Cycom> cdm10: how it was my last hurdle?
[08:38] <Cycom> cdm10: FLAWLESS VICTORY.
[08:38] <loomsen1> for instance, i dont have a printer, i dont need 100mb of supporting driver modules for HP, epson canon and 5 other japanese/korean/whatever printers
[08:38] <raddy> loomsen1 : Ohh ok
[08:39] <frybye> steveccc: come in #ubuntu-offtopic a moment pse...?
[08:48] <Geoffrey2> well, hopefully the partition editor got some work after the jaunty RC came out, because it really needs a lot of it....
[08:50]  * genii peruses the "Contact Us" part of GParted's site
[09:00] <Geoffrey2> granted, I should probably know better than to use the gparted on an RC live CD instead of simply using the last stable release....
[09:03] <Ububegin> Was scheduled for Apr, 27, 08:30 (Samoa time), but now that you've asked, it's been delayed by 1 hour
[09:04] <Geoffrey2> I tried to resize the /home partition, it gets about 85% through, then gives me a message that there's nothing to do, but after it's done the partition is still the same size it was to begin with...
[09:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:12] <marcusdavidus>  anyone got choppy video in flash in totem smplayer etc?
[09:12] <marcusdavidus>  in jaunty yestarday upgradet from intrepid
[09:13] <foogmaa> marcusdavidus, what type of video card?
[09:13] <cato`> marcusdavidus: I do, but thats a problem with xorg and dri
[09:13] <marcusdavidus> gf2 mx mx 400 64  mb ram
[09:13] <cato`> I got a nvidia mobile 7300
[09:14] <marcusdavidus>  not intel card
[09:14] <foogmaa> wow, that's old
[09:14] <LordKow> so karmic... kernel 2.6.32 perhaps?
[09:14] <LordKow> and what gnome 2.30? or are they doing a 2.28?
[09:14] <marcusdavidus> yep thats old but works fine till now lol
[09:14] <foogmaa> yeah, maybe a bug in xorg
[09:14] <LordKow> as for the latter, 2.28
[09:15] <cato`> marcusdavidus: do "glxinfo |grep dri" show just the "yes-line" or does it print a lot of errors?
[09:15] <marcusdavidus> no dri
[09:15] <LordKow> oh 2.6.30 wont be out until june, so probably 2.6.31 for karmic depending on it's amount of code change
[09:16] <marcusdavidus> marcusdavidus@UHope:~$ glxinfo |grep dri
[09:16] <marcusdavidus> marcusdavidus@UHope:~$
[09:16] <marcusdavidus>  hmm so time to edit xorg
[09:17] <marcusdavidus> any other module exept dri ?
[09:17] <loomsen1> marcusdavidus: which driver are u using
[09:17] <cato`> marcusdavidus: just move xorg.conf to xorg.conf-old and let it probe all its modules automaticly
[09:17] <cato`> (my english sucks today)
[09:17] <LordKow> syslets and threadlets due for kernel 2.6.31 seem like one giant security hole to me
[09:17] <marcusdavidus> loomsen1: 96.43.10
[09:18] <marcusdavidus> cato`:  hmm ubuntu can make xorg alone ?? intresting
[09:18] <loomsen1> right one, and where exactly is the problem?
[09:18] <ipatel> when can 9.04 be expected for release (it was meant to be today)?
[09:18] <cato`> marcusdavidus: never xorg-releases doesnt need a config file
[09:18] <loomsen1> i dont get any dri output neither from the command above
[09:19] <loomsen1> you gotta look into your Xorg log
[09:19] <loomsen1> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep dri
[09:19] <loomsen1> dri & dri2 should be load by default
[09:20] <loomsen1> http://pastebin.com/m550326b4
[09:21] <timfrost> ipatel: there are 24 hours in the day, and it also depends on time zones.   So I didn't expect to see it in the first 12 hours of my day (since NZ is 12 hours before GMT)
[09:21] <tuxice> Whats are countdown looking like?
[09:21] <tuxice> 10 hours?
[09:21] <ipatel> it say "coming soon"
[09:21] <loomsen1> google: time now in samoa
[09:21] <loomsen1> and count down to 12 pm
[09:21] <ipatel> which timezone should we be looking for?
[09:22] <tuxice> 2,5 hours to go
[09:22] <loomsen1> the last which will still have the 23rd on their calendar
[09:22] <foogmaa> 8 hours to go, give or take 8 hours
[09:22] <loomsen1> nono
[09:22] <loomsen1> its 10 am here
[09:22] <Ububegin> Follow samoan time.. and you cant go wrong
[09:22] <tuxice> its 4 am here
[09:23] <loomsen1> at least 14 more from my point of view
[09:23] <_g0tmi1k_> 09:22
[09:23] <tuxice>  04:23:10 up 7 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.32, 0.80, 0.49
[09:23] <tuxice> 4:30 am
[09:23] <timfrost> The announcement is usually during the 24 hours covered by GMT
[09:24] <loomsen1> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/International_Date_Line.png
[09:27] <Mantorp> it's safe to upgrade from 8.10 or you still recommend fresh install??
[09:27] <joaopinto> Mantorp, in general it's safe
[09:27] <_g0tmi1k_> I always do fresh
[09:27] <Mantorp> aha ok..
[09:27] <Mantorp> tnx
[09:28] <joaopinto> Mantorp, but if you plan to benefit form the ext4 performance performance you should backup your data and do a fresh install
[09:28] <corinth> Is there a specific time that Jaunty will be rolled out today?
[09:29] <_g0tmi1k_> whats the down side with ext4
[09:29] <Mantorp> ok...than i'll do a fresh
[09:30] <joaopinto> _g0tmi1k_, much less tested than ext3
[09:30] <loomsen1> _g0tmi1k_: i experienced dataloss of my most recent data before rebooting
[09:30] <foogmaa> ext4 isn't quite completely stable just yet
[09:30] <loomsen1> _g0tmi1k_:  not every time for sure
[09:30] <Chr|s> I am waiting till ext4 gets tested and put to use :)
[09:30] <loomsen1> but it happened
[09:31] <joaopinto> _g0tmi1k_, I decided to go with ext4 because, I do not expect ext4 to be less reliable than an hard disk or other piece of software which manages my data, so, if I care about my data, I backup :)
[09:31] <loomsen1> and my laptop powered off twice when the tmp dir ran out of space
[09:31] <ipatel> yes there is a question about its stability, this is why ext4 will be made default in 9.10 based on user feedback
[09:31] <loomsen1> during kernel compiles :|
[09:32] <loomsen1> sucked after 1hr configuring and another build
[09:32] <loomsen1> but its completely clean after booting up :D as if it didnt happen
[09:32] <loomsen1> hadn't happened
[09:33] <LordKow> im about 90% sure ext4 will be 'production ready' for 9.10 (linux kernel wording). if that is the case then it is almost a guarantee ubuntu will set ext4 as default for next release
[09:33] <loomsen1> lol thats half a year to go
[09:33] <loomsen1> btrfs should be ready then
[09:33] <LordKow> it's in a weird stage right now. it's out of development, marked stable, but not production ready.
[09:33] <LordKow> thats like saying its stable but it may not be.... more testing needed
[09:34] <ipatel> definately weird as the project dates back to 2006!!
[09:34] <Chr|s> LordKow: yup, I'm sticking with ext3 it has been tested and is pretty stable
[09:34] <joaopinto> it is stable, but not widely used, we makes it "We think it's stable" :P
[09:34] <loomsen1> i dont think ext4 will have a long life at all
[09:34] <LordKow> honestly, if a desktop user asks me if ext4 will work... i'd say yes.
[09:35] <loomsen1> it's a dead end
[09:35] <loomsen1> the patch created to disable journaling in ext4 shows
[09:36] <BUGabundo> so is it out yet? eheh
[09:36] <_g0tmi1k_> joaopinto: thanks for the heads up
[09:37] <loomsen1> http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
[09:37] <ipatel> BUGabundo | so is it out yet? eheh <- Join the Queue!!
[09:37] <Chr|s> "is it out yet" going to be the #1 thing asked today /sigh
[09:39] <bouma> ouch
[09:39] <bouma> this is a good thing tho right
[09:39] <bouma> cause it would be worse to release bad software
[09:40] <timfrost> !isitout
[09:40] <BUGabundo> ipatel: lol i was joking!
[09:41] <ipatel> me too ;-)
[09:41] <geophoenix> ext4 is the default filesystem in 9.04 ?
[09:41] <BUGabundo> i've been using, testing, improving, announcing jaunty for too long
[09:41] <BUGabundo> geophoenix: NO
[09:41] <bouma> so is it delayed ? .. the topic is correct and still stands ?
[09:41] <ipatel> no it;s not
[09:41] <loomsen1> jeez even the bot gets upset little by little
[09:41] <ipatel> its an optional feature
[09:41] <BUGabundo> bouma: no, its on time
[09:42] <Mantorp> i think I'll stay od ext3
[09:42] <Mantorp> don't wanna have dataloss
[09:42] <bouma> BUGabundo: :P ... i must say, being from australia its been thur for 18hrs, i havent bothered to check what timezone its going to be released in
[09:43] <slytherin> ext4 is not default, it is available as advanced option
[09:43] <geophoenix> hmm
[09:43] <haggisbasheruk> GMT
[09:43] <cellx> Can I choose this option with ext4 during my first installation?
[09:43] <BUGabundo> bouma: history tells me that it will be out around 16-20h GMT
[09:43] <loomsen1> yes
[09:43] <BUGabundo> cellx: yes u can
[09:43] <slytherin> celyes
[09:44] <BUGabundo> loomsen1: please preface messages with nicks!
[09:44] <loomsen1> BUGabundo:  yep ur right
[09:44] <LordKow> perhaps firefox 3.5 will *finally* get released this summer
[09:45] <BUGabundo> LordKow: i dont care! i already used it, and now i'm on 3.6
[09:45] <thalias09> It is not important when Jaunty is released, it is important that we today go out and teach people about Ubuntu(Jaunty) and GNU/Linux.
[09:45] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: usually when I hit TAB in pidgin i'm yelling at myself short after
[09:45] <loomsen1> :D
[09:45] <thalias09> Spread the word
[09:45] <bouma> BUGabundo: nice.. so in 7-14 hours
[09:45] <BUGabundo> bouma: around that!
[09:45] <BUGabundo> loomsen1: why?
[09:45] <loomsen1> bouma: sth like that i guess
[09:45] <bouma> well i might run out of beer
[09:45] <loomsen1> cause i tab me out of the window...
[09:46] <thalias09> Spread the CDs and DVDs
[09:46] <minimec> thalias09: Yeah, but first they have to get that baby stable... xserver, compiz, hal... Quiet buggy ...
[09:46] <thalias09> Spread the USb sticks
[09:46] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: i'm not 2 often in IRCs
[09:46] <cellx> what is mistrustful to take ext4? I read some in the forum, they lost their files during using ext4
[09:46] <haggisbasheruk> my friend of 65 years old wants to try ubuntu tommorrow :)
[09:46] <Ububegin> thalias09: get down to richmond, washington and teach the pple there about Jaunty... :D
[09:46] <bouma> can i get the RC and then rsync it to the final.. or would that be inefficient
[09:46] <bouma> at an iso level
[09:47] <thalias09> minimec, The development of the Ubuntu releases is too short for full stable and rock solid releases, unfortunately
[09:47] <cellx> I ll teach my father to use jaunty in their old pc... :)
[09:47] <joaopinto> bouma, the final iso can already be found on some mirrors
[09:47] <loomsen1> lol
[09:47] <thalias09> Ububegin, I am something like 8000 km away from richmond
[09:47] <fincan> joaopinto: links?
[09:47] <bouma> joaopinto: really ... hrm, i almost could head back to uni to download it
[09:47] <haggisbasheruk> thalias09: thats a long walk :P
[09:47] <slytherin> bouma: RC should be final. I don't think any changes have happened since RC.
[09:47] <minimec> thalias09: Nothing against that, but if you have regression on your mouse, data exchange with your phone and the whole xserver...
[09:47] <Ububegin> thalias09: 8000km.. are you still in the US
[09:48] <bouma> slytherin: oh, really. i didnt realise
[09:48] <bouma> can anyone else confirm what slytherin just stated. that the RC = final
[09:48] <slytherin> bouma: when in doubt, you can rename the ISO and use torrent to verify that youhave got all the bits
[09:48] <Ububegin> bouma: rc is not FINAL.. rc  = release candidate
[09:48] <haggisbasheruk> !final
[09:48] <x3cion> If the RC would be final, it'd be called final instead of RC I guess
[09:48] <slytherin> bouma: I mean rename ISO when final comes out.
[09:48] <loomsen1>  lsb_release -a
[09:49] <BUGabundo> loomsen1: u have to join us more often
[09:49] <omer> hello all
[09:49] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: if you get to read jaunty you can go to bed, nothing will happen
[09:49] <loomsen1> oops
[09:49] <slytherin> omer: hi
[09:49] <joaopinto> x3cion, not really, the RC is called RC because it's made available before the final release, if there are no major problems found with an RC, it becomes final without changes
[09:49] <cellx> should we wait until jigdo file are release too or is torrent faster enough?
[09:49] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: last one wasnt for u BUG
[09:49] <BUGabundo> loomsen1: i got up an hour ago! nothing is stopping me now
[09:50] <Ububegin> I have a feeling Jaunty has been postponed... well, shit happens.. sometimes
[09:50] <BUGabundo> except my dad took my car, with ubuntu laptop inside :(
[09:50] <loomsen1> beat
[09:50] <BUGabundo> !language ! Ububegin
[09:50] <BUGabundo> !language ´| Ububegin
[09:50] <x3cion> Still a chance for changes though!
[09:50] <BUGabundo> !language | Ububegin
[09:50] <omer> Ububegin: damn is that true?
[09:50] <BUGabundo> 3rd is the charm
[09:51] <BUGabundo> well guess i'll have to install portableubuntu here
[09:51] <omer> are amazon ec2 ami images also being distributed?
[09:51] <samo_> Hi guys im in New Zealand, over here the 23rd is almost over and still no final jaunty.. kinda false advertising :P
[09:51] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: I'll try ^^ in response to being more often around ^^
[09:51] <Ububegin> BUGabundo: sh!t is vulgar word.... Aww, c'mon...
[09:52] <thalias09> The Ubuntu time zone is the time zone of GMT +/- 1 (whatever the South African time zone is)
[09:52] <BUGabundo> Ububegin: just behave, ok?
[09:52] <haggisbasheruk> samo_: release is GMT
[09:52] <x3cion> Reminds me of austin powers
[09:52] <Ububegin> samo_: isnt NZ close to Samoa.. but you are different by a day... :)
[09:52] <thalias09> So if it will be released at 20 GMT then you in the NZ time zone have to wait something longer
[09:52] <omer> does anyone know if amazon ami ec2 images are being released simultaneously?
[09:53] <samo_> yea we are at the start of every day:)
[09:55] <mntnpngn> I wish they would release the torrents about a day earlier
[09:55] <loomsen1> omer: i dont think anybody can tell you for sure, but the voice of reason tells me they wont release an iso on a server prior or later to any other server
[09:56] <omer> loomsen1: alright thanks
[09:56] <loomsen1> yw
[09:56]  * BUGabundo wispers all image tests are done and passed! image soon to be available
[09:57] <loomsen1> lol
[09:57] <loomsen1> CTRL + RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[09:57] <Ububegin> BUGabundo: are u inside man on the ubuntu team
[09:57] <Guest12333> OMG it's happening!!!
[09:57] <Chr|s> what is 12am samoin time in est?
[09:58] <x3cion> touch ubuntu-9.04[mostest-stable-ever]-desktop-i386.iso
[09:58] <BUGabundo> Ububegin: im just in touch with the correct ppl
[09:59] <haggisbasheruk> you could just get yesterdays image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and update guys
[09:59] <joaopinto> final is out !
[09:59] <sandeep> lies
[09:59] <mntnpngn> that's not it
[10:00] <Ububegin> joaopinto: BS... dont irritate us
[10:00] <joaopinto> (everyone checking ubuntu.com :D)
[10:00] <Tekno> jaunty is postponed by month
[10:00] <mntnpngn> that's a daily build
[10:00] <loomsen1> the alias for fetching an apt update from cl shows
[10:00] <haggisbasheruk> there was only 7 updates this morning wen i updated
[10:00] <loomsen1> (yup here)
[10:00] <aprilhare> zomg is it out?
[10:00] <aprilhare> linkz
[10:00] <loomsen1> yes
[10:00] <aprilhare> :D
[10:00] <Ububegin> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[10:00] <loomsen1> www.omgicantbelieveitsout.com
[10:00] <BUGabundo> there goes the mirror
[10:01] <aprilhare> it aint out. you be liar loomsen1
[10:01] <Jordan_U> cellx, Bittorrent is better than jigdo near release because the apt mirrors are already going to be hammered with people upgrading
[10:01] <loomsen1> :D
[10:01] <aprilhare> LIES!
[10:02] <loomsen1> nah, i never! its obv a server crash due to Ctrl+R Overload attack
[10:02] <joaopinto> let's see how will archive.ubuntu.com behave after the release
[10:03] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: behaves? it will crash like it always does
[10:03] <loomsen1> (might be quite a hint: chose another server)
[10:03] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, :P
[10:03] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: even neanc and darkstar hit the ground on this dates!
[10:03] <loomsen1> lol
[10:03] <loomsen1> exaczly
[10:03] <haggisbasheruk> BUGabundo: i take it the intel driver problem will be a high priority for fixing ?
[10:03] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: i usualy track their stats via phpinfo! its crazy! IOs of about 20.
[10:03] <loomsen1> haggisbasheruk: yes, but you have to fetch your image from the main server
[10:03] <BUGabundo> data transfer around many terabytes
[10:03] <BUGabundo> and this are LOCAL server
[10:04] <BUGabundo> i can even image how much bw does it take for every server in MAIN
[10:04] <BUGabundo> i dont even know how many are there... behind that proxy
[10:04] <loomsen1> most of all, i'd bet more than 75% upgraded already anyway
[10:04] <BUGabundo> wgrant: do u know?
[10:04] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo, How does mirrors.kernel.org usually fair?
[10:04] <BUGabundo> Jordan_U: i dont use those, so i cant tell
[10:05] <wgrant> BUGabundo: How do I know what?
[10:05] <haggisbasheruk> loomsen1: doesn't daily jaunty image + update = final release
[10:05] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, archive.ubuntu.com points to 5 different IPs
[10:05] <loomsen1> haggisbasheruk: it does
[10:05] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Oops, misread.
[10:05] <haggisbasheruk> glad i got it yesterday then :) loomsen1
[10:06] <loomsen1> even if you hadnt reinstalled your system since the very first day of ubuntu it wont be a difference
[10:06]  * Assid waits for his copy so he can stretch his legs and seed
[10:06] <loomsen1> -wont + wouldnt
[10:06] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, for pt we have only one :\
[10:08] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: its in coimbra!
[10:08] <loomsen1> actually i'm really looking forward to seeing this channel getting obsolete within 10 mins after the release :D
[10:08] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: but behind any IP u could have a mirade of servers
[10:08] <BUGabundo> wgrant: if u know how many servers are behing releases.u.c and cdimage
[10:09] <wgrant> BUGabundo: I don't.
[10:09] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, right, if you use a proxy
[10:09] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: which is a good idea for round robin
[10:09]  * Assid will put up a mirror IF he can get his hands on it
[10:09] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, is very unlikely that they have 5 proxys for archive.ubuntu.com :P
[10:09] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[10:09] <BUGabundo> u never know!
[10:09] <BUGabundo> maybe diferent places
[10:09] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, for round robin they are already using the DNS :P
[10:09] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: where are all those IPs from? diff ISPs?
[10:10] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, well, all those 5 IPs are on the same subnet....
[10:10]  * haggisbasheruk farts to clear the room for final release :)
[10:10] <loomsen1> (heard small countries like luxembourg and the netherlands have some pretty fair servers which arent under 2 heavy load)
[10:10] <loomsen1> so get the 10 MB of the netinstall and gogogo
[10:11] <adam7> just use bittorrent
[10:11] <adam7> spread the load :)
[10:11] <drone1> lol
[10:11] <LordKow> this channel wont be obsolete immediately after release. there are some of us who are already thinking karmic
[10:12] <minimec_> 9.04 is not stable at all. Just another system freeze by clicking the banshee icon in the tastbar...
[10:12] <loomsen1> lol #2
[10:12] <loomsen1> :D
[10:12] <loomsen1> well, leonidas more likely
[10:12] <BUGabundo> i wonder if netinstall handles BT
[10:12] <loomsen1> BT?
[10:12] <BUGabundo> bittorrent
[10:12] <BUGabundo> not bluetooth ROFL
[10:12] <loomsen1> ^^
[10:13] <loomsen1> well, 10MB?
[10:13] <haggisbasheruk> minimec try banshee with debug option , -d i think
[10:14] <loomsen1> BT would prlly be prelonging everyything rather dann helping to spread with 10mb
[10:14] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo, You can use bittorrent with apt so it should be doable, though not a built in feature
[10:14] <loomsen1> really BT with apt?
[10:14] <adam7> you can download the iso then upgrade from that
[10:14] <loomsen1> interesting...
[10:15] <ganesh> ar what time wioll 9.04 be released..?its 23rd today..
[10:15] <rubso> hey guys, which is better ext3 or ext2 filesystem?
[10:15] <minimec_> haggisbasheruk: That is not a banshee thing. Compiz starts to struggle with more then 4 Windows in use. You see the performance goiing down instantly... and I am not on a Intel graphics chip.
[10:15] <adam7> rubso: ext3 if you need journaling
[10:15] <loomsen1> how did u partition minimec?
[10:16] <haggisbasheruk> minimec :(
[10:16] <BUGabundo> !debtorrent | loomsen1
[10:16] <rubso> adam7: what's the advantage of 'journaling'?
[10:16] <BUGabundo> !apt-torrent | loomsen1
[10:16] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: tx
[10:17] <minimec_> loomsen1: seperate /home and a 500mg swap
[10:17] <adam7> rubso: if your computer crashes, you can recover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
[10:17] <loomsen1> ext3?
[10:17] <loomsen1> mounted with noatime option? helped here
[10:17] <rubso> ah, Thanks for the link mate!
[10:17] <minimec_> loomsen1: ext3
[10:18] <loomsen1> minimec: been using jaunty for quite a while and really had to fight hard against a high cpu load bug
[10:19] <noqq> So.. where is 9.04 full release? :)
[10:19] <loomsen1> update-manager -d
[10:19] <noqq> loomsen1: Ow sorry k, was only checking the website.
[10:19] <noqq> Can I also choose from there to update to Netbook Remix?
[10:20] <loomsen1> noqq: dunno
[10:20] <BUGabundo> loomsen1: dude... preface messages! LOL
[10:20] <loomsen1> lol^^
[10:20] <BUGabundo> noqq from cdimage
[10:20] <BUGabundo> noqq: http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ubuntu-9.04-rc-netbook-remix-i386.img
[10:21] <blackbutterfly_> IT IS RELEASED!!!! SEE UBUNTU.COM!
[10:21] <noqq> BUGabundo: Ye, Iḿ already running 9.04 .iso RC, because I didn know how to write .img, people told I could update afterwards to Netbook in Ubuntu itself.
[10:21]  * BUGabundo ppl should stop hammering cdimage! i cant even load it now
[10:21] <blackbutterfly_> ....just a joke *hides*
[10:21] <slytherin> noqq: AFAIK, all the packages related to netbook remix are in repository (except any proprietary codes you might be using).
[10:21] <loomsen1> nothin
[10:21] <loomsen1> well, wont be much for me anyway ^^
[10:22] <noqq> slytherin: "AFAIK"?
[10:22] <incorrect> when should i start mirroring jaunty repositories?
[10:22] <loomsen1> noqq: as far as i know
[10:22] <noqq> loomsen1: Lol k
[10:22] <loomsen1> incorrect: whut? yesterday?
[10:23] <incorrect> loomsen1, let me see what poor suckers bandwidth i can eat
[10:23] <BUGabundo> incorrect: humm cron rsync every 2h ?
[10:23] <minimec_> loomsen1: I am using this on a 5year old HP nc8000 Laptop. My testing machine... I see prolbems with compiz, xorg 1.6 and the bluetooth stack.
[10:23] <slytherin> noqq: As far as I know
[10:23] <incorrect> BUGabundo, 2m?
[10:24] <BUGabundo> eheh 2 min wouldnt even allow to connect
[10:25] <loomsen1> minimec still not usual... my roommate has a P4 of the same age, been running it without any problems, had one instance of VBox running with my pokerapps and installed another winXP iso into a second one
[10:25] <loomsen1> minimec:so this should work
[10:26] <minimec_> loomsen1: Maybe it's the OpenSource ati driver. I don't know...
[10:26] <loomsen1> minimec_: but, tbh, i'm not 2 convinced of jaunty at all anyway
[10:27] <loomsen1> possible
[10:27] <loomsen1> have u tried with indirect rendering?
[10:27] <minimec_> loomsen1: Not either until now, but I give it a chanve to improve ;)
[10:28] <minimec_> loomsen1: ATI opensource driver has no indirect rendering as far as i now.
[10:28] <loomsen1> minimec_: nah, i'm gonna run it one more month and then replace it with fedora i think
[10:29] <loomsen1> minimec_: no direct rendering more likely
[10:30] <minimec_> loomsen1: The property driver has indirect rendering now, but very early stage (poor performance).
[10:31] <BUGabundo> anndddddd kubuntu is out ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/9.04/release/
[10:31] <loomsen1> minimec_: just 2 state: direct rendering: the gpu renders incoming events
[10:31] <loomsen1> minimec_:  indirect rendering: the X server does
[10:31] <loomsen1> minimec_: so events are not passed to the video device directly
[10:32] <Ububegin> BUGabundo: what about the fan favourite... Ubuntu...
[10:32] <loomsen1> (GPU could render faster than the X server, so direct rendering is what you'd like to have ):)
[10:32] <BUGabundo> Ububegin: its coming its coming
[10:33] <dn4> when I plug in my portable usb drive in jaunty it mounts it as a Read-only file system and IC annot delete files off the usb drive
[10:33] <dn4> any ideas?
[10:33] <mntnpngn> torrent doesn't seem to be working
[10:33] <minimec_> loomsen1: I know that. That's why I tell you, that the ati property driver included indirect rendering for compiz with version catalyst 9.3. But it is very slow. The opensource driver has no indirect rendering.
[10:33] <Ububegin> BUGabundo: ewww... i got reminded of some *movies* ... "its coming,its coming" ...
[10:33] <BUGabundo> dn4: sudo chown -R YOURUSER
[10:33] <loomsen1> minimec_: oh, i see, so no rendering infrastructure at all
[10:34] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, that will no work for a vfat filesystem
[10:34] <therp> is this the right place to whine about the VRGB qt bug?
[10:34] <dn4> dn4@dn4:~$ sudo chown -R dn4
[10:34] <dn4> chown: missing operand after `dn4'
[10:34] <adam7> therp: use a USB key
[10:34] <adam7> (whoops, wrong person)
[10:34] <loomsen1> dn4: how did u create the filesystem?
[10:34] <joaopinto> dn4, what type of filesystem does the usb device contain ?
[10:34] <cellx> new edubuntu is online
[10:34] <linux-hdtv> Hi, is eSata hotplugging working on the latest Jaunty ?
[10:34] <dn4> vfat
[10:35] <minimec_> loomsen1: I have direct rendering with the opensource driver, but no indirect...
[10:35] <cellx> ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/
[10:35] <freakabcd> BUGabundo, do you know if the dvd iso will be released at the same time??
[10:35] <loomsen1> minimec_: did u log out after your first login? you prlly did right
[10:36] <loomsen1> minimec_: cause on first launch theres protobuf building its cache
[10:36] <mntnpngn> ahh..  it looks like it's out
[10:37] <BUGabundo> mntnpngn: not yet
[10:37] <minimec_> loomsen1: I had a complete system freeze (even 'raising skinny elephants...' wasn't possible anymore.
[10:37] <BUGabundo> they are waitng for some mirrors to ssync
[10:37]  * BUGabundo bets rsync link already has final
[10:37] <rubso> ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/9.04/release/kubuntu-9.04-dvd-i386.iso
[10:37] <therp> are the mirror using bittorrent to sync?
[10:38] <loomsen1> minimec_: oouuuhhhh hurts
[10:38] <therp> probably not... but in this case it would make total sense ;)
[10:38] <joaopinto> usually mirrors use rsync
[10:38] <dn4> loomsen1, the file system was already created on the usb drive
[10:38] <X3> hi
[10:38] <mntnpngn> what is ubuntu-9.04-mid-lpia.img ?
[10:38] <BUGabundo> therp: no... just plain old rsync
[10:39] <mrwes> has the the feeding frenzy began?
[10:39] <X3> website news http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-desktop annouces release of jauty for today yet nothing is out
[10:39] <loomsen1> lol
[10:39] <freakabcd> BUGabundo, i see the kubuntu dvd iso. but from my experience only the cd iso for ubuntu gets released straight away
[10:39] <joaopinto> X3, the day is not over yet
[10:39] <X3> lol
[10:39] <mntnpngn> cca45d814048b5b322773561ad7c75d8 *ubuntu-9.04-dvd-i386.iso
[10:39] <freakabcd> i've had to wait a day or so to get the dvd iso previously. hopwe it is not the case today
[10:39] <mntnpngn> is that correct md5 ?
[10:39] <loomsen1> dn4:  so you wanna delete the actual content and create a whole new one?
[10:40] <dn4> loomsen1, nope I just want to delete files on the usb drive
[10:40] <dn4> apparently Jaunty likes to automount the file system as Read-Only
[10:40] <X3> joao pinto amigo does the 23rd correspond to UK 23rd or another timezone 23rd
[10:40] <cellx> kubuntu is now released for amd64 and i386
[10:41] <freakabcd> mntnpngn, where did you find the dvd iso?
[10:41] <X3> indeed
[10:41] <mntnpngn> it looks like isos were built on 21st
[10:41] <loomsen1> dn4: you most likely will have to deflate the file system first
[10:41] <freakabcd> uh.. you're looking in the dvd directory?
[10:41] <nikolas_> hi guys, when should we expect the final release of 9,4?
[10:41] <dn4> loomsen1, what does that mean?
[10:41] <mrwes> I smell blood in the water
[10:41] <mrwes> heh
[10:41] <rubso> cellx: where do i find the cd iso?
[10:42] <X3> nicolas 23rd mate today sometime
[10:42] <loomsen1> if you had a bootable image you orlly have a squashfs, little endian, ramfs or so image
[10:42] <X3> cellx links pls
[10:42] <cellx> ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/
[10:42] <freakabcd> X3, well.. some of us in AU/NZ are going to 24th pretty soon :)
[10:42] <mntnpngn> I know where the isos are but I'm not touching it...   I should let it mirror first
[10:42] <freakabcd> mntnpngn, but these are the one not from 21st right?
[10:42] <X3> freakabcd: no shit really
[10:43] <freakabcd> if yes, i know where those are
[10:43] <rubso> cellx: that's DVD. where is the CD version?
[10:43] <freakabcd> i'm waiting for a proper statement saying that those are the full release dvd isos
[10:43] <X3> freakabcd keep waiting
[10:43] <cellx> rubso: sorry, it?s only dvd...
[10:43] <anish> the ftp iso's still show 4/21
[10:44] <X3> they may be there yet the switch may have not been flicked yet
[10:44] <freakabcd> possibly
[10:44] <rubso> cellx: what!?!!! no more CD releases!?
[10:44] <cellx> rubso: no, maybe bit later...
[10:44] <BUGabundo> rubso: NO
[10:44] <anish> so when its released , everyone here just stops talking about jaunty and switches to koala ?
[10:44] <mntnpngn> freakabcd: I'm looking at the bunch of .iso, .torrent, .list, and .manifest files...   .torrent has timestamp of 4/23/2009 9:07 AM
[10:44] <rubso> oh, ok. thank god.
[10:44] <dn4> k I did
[10:45] <dn4> sudo chown -R dn4 /media/SEA_DISK
[10:45] <dn4> that might work it is going through 100gb of files changing permission
[10:45] <BUGabundo> dn4: what FS was the pen?
[10:45] <mntnpngn> freakabcd: however .iso file has timestamp of 4/21/2009 06:58pm
[10:45] <dn4> BUGabundo, vfat
[10:45] <dn4> wait -R is read only
[10:45] <dn4> I don't want READ ONLY I want to delete stuff
[10:46] <loomsen1> -R is recursive
[10:46] <BUGabundo> dn4: chown wont work on vfat
[10:46] <X3> well Im gonna try the ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/9.04/release/kubuntu-9.04-dvd-i386.iso in VM ill let you guys know if its the final or not soon as I have it
[10:46] <loomsen1> but you still will have to deflate your image
[10:46] <loomsen1> ---
[10:46] <BUGabundo> loomsen1: 3rd time: preface nicks
[10:46] <freakabcd> mntnpngn, 6:58 pm? i can see dvd-iso with 21/4/09 2006 hrs
[10:46] <BUGabundo> dn4: maybe it was not unmount properly
[10:46] <dn4> BUGabundo, any ideas then on how to access the file system and delete stuff?
[10:46] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: i'm really sorry buddy, honestly, i'm tryin
[10:47] <mntnpngn> hehe...  admin blocked it already
[10:47] <adnc> hello, is the exact release time known for ubuntu 9.04?
[10:47] <BUGabundo> dn4: fsck it, and then remount
[10:47] <mntnpngn> it usually happens around 7-9am EST
[10:48] <cellx> 7pm GMT maybe..
[10:48] <minimec> Yasf 'yet another system freeze' lol
[10:48] <dn4> BUGabundo, fsck /dev/sdb1 ?
[10:48] <mntnpngn> the servers are inaccessible for a day or two....
[10:48] <BUGabundo> yep
[10:48] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: dont you think he has a *.img file? mountin it still wont extract single files
[10:48] <adnc> thank you, then it is not worth waiting for it
[10:49] <loomsen1> it's most likely an Iso image
[10:49] <sint> !outyet
[10:49] <sint> :(
[10:49] <mntnpngn> anyone know what ubuntu-9.04-mid-lpia.img is?   it's 827648 KB in size
[10:49] <dn4> You must have r/w access to the filesystem or be root
[10:49] <freakabcd> mntnpngn, err.. an image?
[10:50] <slytherin> mntnpngn: lpia is low powered intel architecture, in other words atom processors.
[10:50] <BUGabundo> dn4: if the disk is not properly unmount even root wont mout it with RW
[10:50] <deany> mntnpngn, mobile edition, lpia arch (like G1 mobiles and netbooks)
[10:50] <freakabcd> perhaps you just extract it or dd it into a mid SSD
[10:50] <X3> ubottu: this is ubuntu+1
[10:50] <loomsen1> [BUGabundo: dn4:}  isos are mounted read only
[10:50] <BUGabundo> dn4: thats why i adviced u to fsck
[10:50] <mntnpngn> ahh...  nice...  thanks
[10:50] <BUGabundo> loomsen1: its a USB Drive
[10:51] <loomsen1> yes, but the image is an image
[10:51] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: otherwise he'd be able to acess files
[10:51] <BUGabundo> no
[10:51] <haggisbasheruk> i would imaging the mid image is not so good with the new intel driver
[10:51] <BUGabundo> damn! dont u read?
[10:51] <dn4> Free cluster summary wrong (468761 vs. really 100587)
[10:51] <BUGabundo> see ?
[10:51] <mntnpngn> I got .torrent files for the final release isos but trackers aren't working yet
[10:51] <td123> do they have the desktop cds yet?
[10:53] <loomsen1> BUGabundo: erm, not why this should be an evidence for any of out theories, but i obv see that sth went wrong while creating it o.O
[10:53] <dn4> odd BUGabundo when I try to correct the free cluster it doesn't do anything
[10:54] <loomsen1> (whispers: unless its a compressed FS)
[10:54] <NTAuthority> hi
[10:54] <mntnpngn> ohh... so tempting to post the link..
[10:54] <loomsen1> sup NTAuthority
[10:54] <NTAuthority> I just installed Jaunty
[10:54] <NTAuthority> and my keyboard is acting strange
[10:55] <NTAuthority> typing e's, i's and a's everywhere
[10:55] <NTAuthority> and not listening to many keys
[10:55] <loomsen1> o.O
[10:55] <NTAuthority> during typing this, the Insert menu opened 15 times
[10:55] <NTAuthority> (in Pidgien, and there are the e'se)
[10:55] <NTAuthority> on Windows, eno problems, so tehe keyboard isne't broken
[10:56] <NTAuthority> (note the extraneous e's)
[10:56] <minimec> NTAuthority: What kind of keyboard is that? PS/2 or USB? Manufacter?
[10:56] <NTAuthority> USB, apple default, worked with other Ubuntus
[10:56] <NTAuthority> (white apple plastic)
[10:56] <dn4> the FS says W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[10:57] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: is it a new account you created?
[10:57] <NTAuthority> from after install
[10:57] <BUGabundo> dn4: lets start over
[10:57] <mntnpngn> PEBKAC?
[10:57] <BUGabundo> dn4: u have an USB stick in vfat right?
[10:57] <dn4> right
[10:57] <BUGabundo> what do u have there?
[10:57] <dn4> Seagate portable USB
[10:57] <minimec> NTAuthority: I also have some regressions on my Logitech mouse. Could be xserver 1.6 related or HAL (usb).
[10:57] <NTAuthority> okay, it's normal e's, and alt-i/alt-a together
[10:58] <NTAuthority> minimec: and my mouse is less stable as well, may be
[10:59] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: you may configure it in your xorg.conf if you want it to be more stable, you probably didnt recofigure the initial xorg.conf yet right?
[10:59] <NTAuthority> still default config yeah
[11:00] <NTAuthority> offtopic by the way, WOW, kde4.2 looks really nice
[11:01] <NTAuthority> installed kdebase-workspace to run plasma in gnome, cute tasklist panel :)
[11:01] <BUGabundo> dn4: so do u have any important data there?
[11:01] <hix> hwgx
[11:01] <dn4> I think I know what happened
[11:02] <dn4> it is all due to power issues getting to the device
[11:02] <BUGabundo> ahh
[11:02] <BUGabundo> and fsck doesnt fix those?
[11:02] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: http://pastebin.com/m6b4f1de4
[11:03] <loomsen1> modify it to your likings and add it to your xorg.conf
[11:03] <mntnpngn> so...  everyone is busy installing it?
[11:03] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: restart your x server, and it should be better
[11:03] <NTAuthority> loomsen1: 'your likings', should I eknow about meouse settings ine xorg.conf?e :(
[11:03] <dn4> BUGabundo, I am fixing to say F it and delete the entire drive
[11:03] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: man xorg.conf
[11:04] <NTAuthority> and would USB mice need another device name? / man, meh
[11:04] <cavaradossi> hi, i try to add a pptp vpn to network manager, i have added correct settings but i took "failed connection timed out"
[11:04] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: nooo, just opern a terminal, and type: man xorg.conf
[11:04] <BUGabundo> guys calm down: ITS OUT
[11:04] <BUGabundo> ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/jaunty/release/
[11:04] <BUGabundo> dn4: that would be on way
[11:04] <drinkycrow> anybody tried doom3 in jaunty yet?
[11:05] <BUGabundo> dn4: fsck should work too
[11:05] <NTAuthority> wasn't planning on reading man pages today
[11:05] <leohartx> BUGabundo: i cant access this site
[11:05] <loomsen1> then happy e'ing+NT
[11:05] <loomsen1> xcat
[11:05] <cavaradossi> is there any alternative network manager except
[11:05] <cavaradossi> KVpnc?
[11:05] <loomsen1> oops, fc
[11:06] <mntnpngn> blah...  torrent is still not working
[11:06] <BUGabundo> leohartx: too much load?
[11:06] <cavaradossi> is there any alternative network manager except  KVpnc ?
[11:06] <BUGabundo> mntnpngn: still not there http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[11:06] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: i havent configured mine at all, got a logitech MX1100 with 12 buttons, all working
[11:07] <cavaradossi> anyone to help me with VPN connection ?
[11:07] <cavaradossi> pm me
[11:07] <NTAuthority> it's mostly my keyboard after tweaking mouse[alt-i]sensi[alt-i]vity
[11:07] <leohartx> BUGabundo:there is no rc in these images, i hope it's real
[11:07] <NTAuthority> my mouse fix[alt-i]e[alt-i] afte[alt-i]r tha[alt-i]t
[11:07] <mntnpngn> well..  I guess I'm lucky to have downloaded the torrent file before the server went down
[11:07] <leohartx> BUGabundo:btw, i've accessed in to it
[11:08] <td123> mntnpngn: no you aren't, no share it :P
[11:08] <deany> is it safe to add  the vbox intrepid repo to jaunty?  the deb is listed for intrepid/jaunty
[11:08] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: serioz stuff, for sure
[11:08] <loomsen1> o.O
[11:08] <haggisbasheruk> any word on PS3 image BUGabundo ?
[11:08] <td123> deany: I don't think so
[11:08] <leohartx> BUGabundo:but this final release is uploaded on 21st, too soon ?
[11:08] <td123> deany: I know that installing vbox regenerates the ramdisk and this could be a per kernel thing
[11:09] <mntnpngn> leohartx: I've noticed that too but .torrent has today's date on it
[11:09] <BUGabundo> haggisbasheruk: arent they built?
[11:09] <td123> deany: I wouldn't just add the repo without confirming if it would be ok or not
[11:09] <deany> Ubuntu 8.10 ("Intrepid Ibex") / Ubuntu 9.04 ("Jaunty Jackalope") i386 | AMD64   says its the same deb for both....
[11:09] <BUGabundo> leohartx: mirror admins just told me the 21 is FINAL... its in the .pool
[11:09] <dn4> thanks for the help anyways BUGabundo I am not sure why this stuff is happened :(
[11:09] <haggisbasheruk> duno , havent looked BUGabundo, sorry
[11:09] <BUGabundo> Desktop: http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[11:09] <NTAuthority> yay, so ctrl-alt-bksp is disabled nowadays
[11:09] <leohartx> BUGabundo: oh, i get it, ty
[11:10] <RustAU> !outyet
[11:10] <RustAU> wow 9.04 RC looks pretty
[11:10] <td123> wait, so is it released?
[11:10] <td123> what did BUGabundo paste then?
[11:10] <haggisbasheruk> notifications r nice RustAU
[11:10] <popey> link to the torrent
[11:11] <RustAU> yeah
[11:11] <td123> so torrent is up but no seeds?
[11:11] <RustAU> loads significantly faster
[11:11] <BUGabundo> RustAU: its out! really
[11:11] <RustAU> I didn't say it was out
[11:11] <Guest95599> got a question, today is april 23- where is 9.04 like fully?
[11:11] <popey> BUGabundo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2009-April/thread.html until there is an announcement there, it isnt
[11:12] <popey> BUGabundo: you should know better
[11:12] <Paavi2_0> it's not out yet
[11:12] <Guest95599> but
[11:12] <ninjafury> After upgrading to Jaunty, Netatalk isn't working properly. Can;t mount shared drive on my mac. Anyone know how I can fix this?
[11:12] <Guest95599> its april 23rd
[11:12] <loomsen1> cmon, the bot just told us it aint out yet
[11:12] <haggisbasheruk> yes but sysv-rc-conf fiddling can make it super dupper fast RustAU ;)
[11:12] <leohartx> mntnpngn: can you give me bittorrent link ?
[11:12] <cavaradossi> anyone to help me with VPN connection ? please pm me
[11:12] <RustAU> I'm not smart enough to fiddle with that
[11:12] <haggisbasheruk> :)
[11:12] <BUGabundo> popey: i do know better! bad on me! please kick me again
[11:12] <anish> also, it aint 23rd april everywhere in the world
[11:12] <mntnpngn> trackers are not working yet
[11:13] <RustAU> is there a new font or am I picturing things?
[11:13] <td123> ok, right now I'm dling at 400KiB/s please don't start downloading 9.04 until AFTER I have finished :D
[11:13] <Guest95599> thats crap
[11:13] <loomsen1> the fonts have finally been corrected
[11:13] <deany> the only update since yesterday when i installed a daily iso, is firefox... install a daily if you cant wait..
[11:13] <Guest95599> im getting 89!
[11:14] <RustAU> sudo update-manager -d ftw
[11:14] <haggisbasheruk> yes RustAU fonts r nice n crisp
[11:14] <leohartx> only juanty-server version is available
[11:14] <BUGabundo> deany: the firefox is in security
[11:14] <BUGabundo> so it wont change the iamges
[11:14] <geophoenix> coming soon.................
[11:14] <BUGabundo> leohartx: no! desktop too
[11:14] <ninjafury> so anyone know why netatalk stops working in Jaunty?
[11:14] <Guest95599> so, you guys were never truly sure of your release date you just wanted people to hope and wait?
[11:14] <deany> im just sayin, there cant be a whole lot of difference between the last daily and the final...
[11:15] <fincan> still there is no news?
[11:15] <loomsen1> deany:  dead on, couple of lines of code
[11:15] <slytherin> cavaradossi: what help do you need with VPN?
[11:15] <td123> damn it ppl, I told you to not click the link after I finished dling 9.04, now I'm at 250kbs
[11:15] <slytherin> Guest12333: we are sure of date, we are not sure of time
[11:15] <dn4> deany, and loomsen1 wouldn't apt-get upgrade solve that issue with those lines of code?
[11:15] <RustAU> restarting for nvidia drivers :-)
[11:15] <slytherin> Guest12333: have you ever been part of release process?
[11:16] <Guest95599> so maybe this afternoon when i get home
[11:16] <loomsen1> dn4:  it would it would
[11:16] <dn4> NICE!
[11:16] <thor> it will come out at high noon gmt
[11:16] <Guest95599> do i have to uninstall the beta and reinstall a new image then?
[11:16]  * dn4 is happy he downloaded the latest release a few days ago
[11:16] <joaopinto> !beta | Guest95599
[11:16] <loomsen1> ^^
[11:17] <NTAuthority> hm
[11:17] <NTAuthority> seems to occur in tty1 as well, but not on windows
[11:18] <NTAuthority> and only after some time being booted
[11:18] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: dmesg | grep error
[11:18] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: dmesg | grep warning
[11:18] <NTAuthority> a few:
[11:18] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: then plug your keyboard/mouse out, plug it back in
[11:18] <NTAuthority> [  249.566581] keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240
[11:18] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: and run dmesg | tail
[11:18]  * td123 is going to be happy in approximately 35 minutes :D
[11:19] <td123> unless I drop below 200kbs
[11:19] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: and dont post it here
[11:19] <rascal999> anyone know when 9.04 is ready?
[11:19] <td123> it's already out
[11:19] <joaopinto> !notyet
[11:19] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: pastebin.com
[11:19] <BUGabundo> rascal999: its getting synced by mirrors
[11:19] <td123> I mean
[11:19] <haggisbasheruk> for those Aspire One users out there , Kuki Linux 1.7 (based on Jaunty final) is now in testing #kukilinux for details
[11:19] <td123> ynot ready
[11:19] <BUGabundo> should be out soon
[11:19] <Yasser> what does noncdn release mean???
[11:19] <fincan> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/dvd/kubuntu-9.04-dvd-amd64.iso
[11:20] <NTAuthority> yasser: not-redistributed to mirrors, I think 'no Content Delivery Network'
[11:20] <td123> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[11:20] <therp> what would be the easiest way to rebuild a jaunty package from source? is apt-build still recent?
[11:20] <NTAuthority> http://pastebin.com/m2014a854
[11:20] <loomsen1> therp: yes
[11:20] <NTAuthority> hm, may be my hub, should try directly connecting to the root hub
[11:21] <error404notfound> is there a way to get pinged as soon as jaunty is released?
[11:21] <fincan> finally :)
[11:21] <td123> error404notfound: lol?
[11:21] <Yasser> yoohoo its out!
[11:21] <Mantorp> FINNALY it's out
[11:21] <td123> error404notfound: click on my link, you can already dl it
[11:21] <fincan> yeah
[11:21] <error404notfound> td123, exactly.... i have beenw aiting for 2 weeks on this channel
[11:21] <fincan> waiting for CD :)
[11:21] <fincan> I could found only DVDs
[11:22] <td123> cd is out
[11:22] <NTAuthority> my problem seems fixed for now... now I know should replace my hub I think
[11:22] <miklcct> Where can I find the final?
[11:22] <fincan> link CD link plz
[11:22] <loomsen1> NTAuthority: good
[11:22] <td123> link is in history
[11:22] <td123> i already pasted link
[11:22] <Yasser> no torrent for unr iso???
[11:22] <error404notfound> but the site says its yet to come
[11:22] <c00p> can u update via apt yet ?
[11:22] <BUGabundo> Yasser: http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[11:23] <OsamaK_> Is <http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/> the finals?
[11:23] <BUGabundo> c00p: $ update-manager -d
[11:23] <BUGabundo> OsamaK_: yes
[11:23] <Yasser> BUGabundo, i meant netbook emix torrent
[11:23] <leohartx> td123 : i cant find it
[11:23] <td123> leohartx: look again, I'm not repasting
[11:23] <OsamaK_> great. good job all :)
[11:23] <td123> leohartx: look at OsamaK_'s link
[11:23] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, judging from the releases.ubuntu.com redirect, they use some CDN system :P
[11:23] <leohartx> OsamaK_ : great
[11:23] <leohartx> ty
[11:24] <Yasser> maan so many leechers n so little seeders...im going for the link
[11:25] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone help me fix my screen resolution... i am on jaunty now and i am unable to get screen resolution. When i boot i get a message that i915 drivers not founds and that ubuntu is running in low graphics mode
[11:25] <c00p> BUGabundo: ta
[11:25] <c00p> doing now :)
[11:25] <fincan> lol main channel blocked for chatting xD
[11:25] <fincan> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[11:25] <BUGabundo> bbl
[11:25] <fincan> is ready :)
[11:26] <fincan> gogogogogogog
[11:26] <drinkycrow> anybody tried doom3 in jaunty yet?
[11:27] <geophoenix>  ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso            20-Apr-2009 15:30
[11:27] <geophoenix> its not ready
[11:28] <c00p> yay 400kbps for me :)
[11:28] <leohartx> i'll try dvd version this time
[11:28] <miklcct> c00p: Which mirror do you use?
[11:28] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone help me fix my screen resolution... i am on jaunty now and i am unable to get screen resolution. When i boot i get a message that i915 drivers not founds and that ubuntu is running in low graphics mode
[11:28] <Guest95599> how are you guys getting 400 kbps?
[11:28] <c00p> mirror.aarnet.edu.au :)
[11:28] <c00p> I think anyways
[11:28] <oobe> apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt do anything
[11:29] <BUGabundo> oobe: $ update-manager -d
[11:29] <BUGabundo> oobe: this is not Debian
[11:29] <oobe> that doesnt do anything either
[11:29] <PerryArmstrong> oobe; just follow the instructions here.. http://ossarchives.blogspot.com
[11:29] <noqq> You people mean with $, sudo?
[11:29] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone help me fix my screen resolution... i am on jaunty now and i am unable to get screen resolution. When i boot i get a message that i915 drivers not founds and that ubuntu is running in low graphics mode
[11:30] <miklcct> I normally download ISOs from http://ftp.hostrino.com/pub/ubuntu/cdimage/ at about 10MB/s but there is no Jaunty.
[11:30] <loomsen1> http://nl3.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/
[11:31] <BUGabundo> noqq: NO SUDO for UM
[11:31] <leohartx> miklcct: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[11:31] <PerryArmstrong> can anyone help me fix my screen resolution... i am on jaunty now and i am unable to get screen resolution. When i boot i get a message that i915 drivers not founds and that ubuntu is running in low graphics mode
[11:31] <geophoenix> you have to w8 more to download it from mirrors
[11:31] <td123> coming back when my cd dl's :d
[11:32] <Guest72275> how are people getting 400 kbps for the download(of the RC) ?
[11:32] <miklcct> Is there a mirror with Jaunty at speed more than 1MB/s?
[11:32] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel libdrm-intel1
[11:33] <geophoenix> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazxxxxxxxxDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[11:33] <drinkycrow> does jaunty implement Linux Really Flexible Sound System 3000 Ultra Edition?
[11:33] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; already installed
[11:33] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: if it still wont work check if your driver got blacklisted maybe?
[11:33] <ikonia> geophoenix: please stop that
[11:33] <loomsen1> /etc/modprobe.d/
[11:33] <loomsen1> and look around
[11:33] <geophoenix> have to stop eating on my keyboard:P
[11:34] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; can you check here..http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1115684
[11:34] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; the problem started since 8.10 and its still existing in 9.04
[11:35] <marcusdavidus> hello is me again
[11:35] <RustAU> how can I remove the mounted disk links from the desktop?
[11:35] <tucuna> It has been released!
[11:35] <tucuna> anyone wants a torrent link?
[11:35] <Guest72275> if i keep the beta updated... will i get all the fancy desktop stuff that is supposed to come with the full version of 9.04?
[11:35] <leohartx> i knew :)
[11:35] <marcusdavidus> anyone got problem with temporally slowdowns in video play ?
[11:36] <tucuna> http://colonos.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope-has-been-released-get-torrent-here/
[11:36] <NTAuthority> who invented the 'indicator applet' - lol
[11:36] <loomsen1> LOL
[11:37] <dn4> why did marcusdavidus get banned?
[11:37] <Guest72275> is this real?
[11:37] <ikonia> dn4: don't worry about it
[11:38] <fincan> lol change channel topic :)
[11:38] <leohartx> this is amd 64 dvd version, there is no "rc" but i'll perform checksum before use it : ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/dvd/20090421.3/jaunty-dvd-amd64.iso
[11:38] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; hit on any solution??
[11:38] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: still readin
[11:38] <_g0tmi1k_> so its out?
[11:38] <leohartx> i cant belive that final release had came on 21st
[11:38] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; okk
[11:39] <RustAU> out at http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[11:39] <dn4> WTF
[11:39] <_g0tmi1k_> not the RC?
[11:39] <_g0tmi1k_> its final
[11:39] <_g0tmi1k_> ?
[11:39] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: guess the driver you specified is simply wrong, but i cant tell u as i dont have an intel
[11:39] <RustAU> yes
[11:39] <geophoenix> instead of hunting the link to download 9.04 , let's w8
[11:39] <_g0tmi1k_> coooooool!
[11:39] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; so how will i know that... i never got this problem in hardy
[11:39] <_g0tmi1k_> ...
[11:39] <_g0tmi1k_> but its out?
[11:39] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: could you post your actual xorg.conf into the thread? that would be helpful
[11:40] <miklcct> geophoenix: I'm urgent in getting a live CD to boot to modify my / partition.
[11:40] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; sure in a second
[11:40] <tucuna> geophoenix - why wait - just get the torrent and help distribute
[11:41] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; done
[11:41] <_g0tmi1k_> wheres the tortrent?
[11:41] <miklcct> I want to get the CD in 2 minutes.
[11:41] <_g0tmi1k_> torrent*?
[11:41] <sandralade> i have the rc installed but flash plugin wasnt working
[11:41] <geophoenix> miklcct: any Livecd can do that
[11:41] <tucuna> _g0tmi1k_ - yes, it is out
[11:41] <ikonia> dn4: please control your language, we know what WTF means and don't need to see it
[11:41] <sandralade> so i uninstalled it and installed intrepid flash
[11:41] <sandralade> is working fine
[11:42] <sandralade> one problem left
[11:42] <_g0tmi1k_> thanks for the torrent!
[11:42] <_g0tmi1k_> ^^
[11:42] <PerryArmstrong> isn't the final release not yet out. I still see only the RC
[11:42] <_g0tmi1k_> going to dl it @ uni, then seed it at home!
[11:42] <sandralade> runescape high detail crashes firefox
[11:42] <bibstha> junty is out right?
[11:42] <dn4> haha
[11:42] <sandralade> in intrepid was working ok
[11:42] <drinkycrow> anybody tried doom3 in jaunty yet?
[11:42] <joaopinto> sandralade, have you filed a bug report about it ?
[11:43] <bibstha> is Jaunty out already?
[11:43] <bibstha> where can i know?
[11:43] <sandralade> i read about the same bug
[11:43] <sandralade> it wasnt solved
[11:43] <sandralade> yet
[11:43] <bibstha> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ says its out pls where can i find about it?
[11:43] <joaopinto> bibstha, read the topic
[11:43] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: ?
[11:43] <bibstha> !topic
[11:43] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; ???
[11:43] <tucuna> joaopinto - but that is outdated
[11:43] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: Your driver line should read i810 rather than i915
[11:44] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: try please
[11:44] <joaopinto> tucuna, no it's not
[11:44] <tucuna> yes it is
[11:44] <bibstha> joaopinto, http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ says it is already
[11:44] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; okk i'll try that..but i was told i915 is the updated version
[11:44] <loomsen1> oh, well, possible
[11:44] <loomsen1> as i said, i dont have an intel card
[11:45] <Guest72275> :(
[11:45] <Guest72275> i detest transmission
[11:45] <Guest72275> takes forever to look up my port
[11:45] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: but u should remove all these modelines if you did not create then yourself
[11:45] <joaopinto> tucuna, bibstha , the release itself involves several announcements, web, irc, etc, the official announcement was not made yet, despite the final image being available already on some sources
[11:45] <minimec> Guest72275: Deluge is your friend...
[11:45] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: even if, you probably wont need them
[11:45] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; then how will i get all those resolutions??
[11:45]  * Guest72275 hugs Deluge then
[11:45] <Guest72275> xD
[11:46] <tucuna> joaopinto sounds like my grandfather or a priest - who cares?
[11:46] <joaopinto> tucuna, if you dont care, just don't ask !
[11:46] <naxa> hi all!
[11:46] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; i might need 1024x768 and 1024x800.... these two modes are perfect for my XP
[11:46] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: if your device is capable you'll get them, if not the moelines won't change it neither
[11:46] <tucuna> i am not asking
[11:46] <joaopinto> tucuna, so do not answer either
[11:46] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; because of these problems i decided to get a new monitor and also a graphic card
[11:47] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: this doesnt affect your XP if you have a dualboot sys
[11:47] <loomsen1> yeah, i915 is a cpl of years old right
[11:47] <minimec> PerryArmstrong: <ctrl><alt>F1, then login, 2.) sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 3.) sudo killall gdm 4.) sudo gdm && exit That's what I would do. Like that Jaunty is choosing the driver for you.
[11:47] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; no i just said that these resolutions look good with Xp and i suppose that it might work well with ubuntu
[11:48] <Guest72275> whats more important
[11:48] <syadow> why my amarok2 cant play mp3 ??
[11:48] <Guest72275> the fact i have a sinus infection and have a quiz in math today
[11:48] <Guest72275> or ubuntu
[11:48] <ikonia> Guest72275: the first is offtopic - so I suggest dropping it
[11:48] <Guest72275> it was a joke
[11:48] <bibstha> joaopinto, woohoo.. thanks so its the official iso im guessing
[11:48] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; so shouldn't i change the code from i915 to i810??
[11:48] <minimec> syadow: I would add the medibuntu.org repo and then search for 'lame' in synaptic.
[11:49] <ikonia> bibstha: its not
[11:49] <ikonia> bibstha: wait for the announcment on the main page
[11:49] <aboSamoor>  Hi, can you help me ? I want to download a podcast. Rhythmbox is not saving the files by their titles, banshee can not continue downloading [known bug] ?!
[11:49] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: well if you say its updated... dunno
[11:49] <loomsen1> then no ^^
[11:49] <varanus> syadow: you should download the codecs, if you haven't done it already
[11:49] <joaopinto> bibstha, it is likely to be the final iso, but until it's announced, you are not sure ;)
[11:50] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1;  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  by running this i get back the same code which i got before changing it. This makes my screen resolution smaller
[11:50] <nabilelisa> hi all - is there any difference between "installing the RC now and doing a software update later on today when the final version is released" and "waiting to install the final version"?  i'd think they would have the same result if i can get the RC to install correctly, but maybe somebody here knows otherwise?
[11:50] <PerryArmstrong> and very difficult to look at the screen
[11:50] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: this only generates a default config
[11:50] <joaopinto> !beta | nabilelisa
[11:50] <bibstha> joaopinto, humm considering the fact that its not released yet.. i guess it will still take 3-4 more hours?
[11:50] <syadow> varanus, but my rythmbox can play ..... it tats meant i aldy download da codec or amarok2 got differnt codec?
[11:50] <slytherin> minimec: lame is not mp3 decoder, it is encoder
[11:50] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1;  okk then how do i come back to my GUI
[11:50] <joaopinto> bibstha, no idea, the release can happen any time :)
[11:51] <slytherin> syadow: does amarok use gstreamer as backend?
[11:51] <nabilelisa> ubottu: thanks!
[11:51] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: how? i didnt tell u to run that! i never tell anyone to run that...
[11:51] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: hold on a minute
[11:51] <loomsen1> i'm writing a minimal xorg.conf for ya
[11:52] <minimec> slytherin: yeah, I have seen that now. I thought it does both
[11:52] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1;  okk
[11:52] <Rods_Tiger> before Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.04 gets released, could someone check the dialogue box when you press the 'power' icon in the bottom right of the screen, and confirm that the 'quit session' dialogue box has an entry for 'restart' that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever?
[11:52] <syadow> slytherin, i dont know
[11:53] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: could u run lspci | grep -i video please
[11:54] <loomsen1> just to make sure your bus id is correct
[11:55] <Rods_Tiger> the 'quit' icon I mean, not the 'power' icon.
[11:55] <sandralade> my first linux distro was fc 3 lol
[11:56] <BUGabundo> back after power failuer
[11:56] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: ...
[11:57] <BUGabundo> let me check release party
[11:57] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1;  no output
[11:58] <minimec> PerryArmstrong: Its lspci |grep VGA  ;)
[11:58] <loomsen1> minimec: :)
[11:58] <loomsen1> minimec: thx
[11:58] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1;  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[11:58] <PerryArmstrong> minimec; thanks
[11:59] <minimec> np
[11:59] <sandralade> whats the indicator applet used for on rc?
[12:00] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: answered to your thread
[12:00] <bibstha> everyone is pming with their blog links
[12:00] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1;  i'll check it
[12:01] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: checked blacklists too and didnt find i915
[12:01] <loomsen1> so... should be fine
[12:01] <mib_y0kega> question for kubuntu users does KOPETE support webcam chat on msn and yahoo msgr ?
[12:02] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1;  so i should replace the code with this code and then restart
[12:02] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: and replace your current, if you want make a backup, but dont simply add this to the end
[12:02] <loomsen1> ^^
[12:02] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1;  sure
[12:03] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: my synaptic shows intel as the driver
[12:03] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; so what does that indicate??
[12:04] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: its either i810 or intel
[12:04] <td123> aww yeah, just got ubuntu i386 desktop cd :D
[12:04] <TychoQuad> My 3G modem is no longer identified by the network manager whenever I plug it in in Jaunty. it sees it if it's plugged in when I boot the computer, but if i disconnect it, it's lost until next boot. anyone have any ideas?
[12:04] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: the driverline
[12:04] <td123> have there been any problems with 9.04 yet?
[12:04] <s_spiff> !upgrade
[12:04] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; so i should try both options and see the result??
[12:05] <s_spiff> anyone upgrading?
[12:05] <loomsen1> yes, in the one i posted i issued i915
[12:05] <loomsen1> as you said
[12:05] <s_spiff> or recently upgraded?
[12:05] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: but there is no such driver installed
[12:05] <mib_y0kega> question for kubuntu users does KOPETE support webcam chat on msn and yahoo msgr ?
[12:05] <sandralade> release candidate here
[12:05] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: try with intel as the driver first
[12:05] <sponzor> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.04/ <--- this is still beta?
[12:05] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: if it fails, take i 810
[12:06] <s_spiff> sponzor: i think everything 9.04 is now in RC stage
[12:06] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; okk then
[12:06] <s_spiff> sandralade: no breakage issues right?
[12:06] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; i am restarting
[12:06] <loomsen1> gl
[12:08] <td123> no, everything is out
[12:09] <td123> it doesn't say anything like alpha beta rc in the name for a reason
[12:09] <incorrect> i see the .iso out!
[12:09] <the_eraser> hey is jabber.org down i cant connect.
[12:09] <incorrect> the download page has changed
[12:09] <sandralade> wheres the iso to find?
[12:10] <BUGabundo> sandralade: releases.u.c
[12:10] <incorrect> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/ubuntu-releases/9.04/
[12:11] <thewrath> is jaunty out?
[12:11] <incorrect> looks like its out
[12:12] <incorrect> check that mirror
[12:12] <incorrect> party!
[12:12] <loomsen1> the_eraser: i can acess jabber
[12:12] <BUGabundo> thewrath: officially NO
[12:12] <the_eraser> 2:(
[12:12] <thewrath> BUGabundo:  okay bc it does not say release canaddate anymore
[12:13] <thewrath> BUGabundo: how can the iso for intel x86 be between 600 & 700 mb
[12:13] <mib_y0kega> this means it will be updating main page any min now
[12:13] <thewrath> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ does not say RC
[12:13] <loomsen1> thewrath: common size for a desktop install cd
[12:13] <thewrath> BUGabundo:  how big is the ISO
[12:13] <thewrath> loomsen1: when i got the RC it was like 4gb
[12:13] <gardrell> out?
[12:13] <whattey> ye it is
[12:14] <the_eraser> loomsen1:
[12:14] <the_eraser> loomsen1: Error resolving jabber.org:
[12:14] <the_eraser> Temporary failure in name resolution
[12:14] <loomsen1> thewrath: maybe you chose the dvd instead of the cd version
[12:14] <loomsen1> o.O
[12:14] <cavaradossi> i have the beta 9.04 with all updates
[12:14] <cavaradossi> do i have to download the iso?
[12:14] <thewrath> loomsen1: i downloaded it from this : http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[12:15] <loomsen1> the_eraser: http://pastebin.com/m8e2dbb2
[12:15] <thewrath> loomsen1: i should be able to install it as a inwodws app right
[12:15] <the_eraser> hmm
[12:16] <joaopinto> !beta | cavaradossi
[12:16] <loomsen1> thewrath: i dont know buddy, dont have any clue bout windows installs
[12:16] <thewrath> loomsen1: okay
[12:16] <BUGabundo> QUESTION any one with fresh install can u please pastebin your sources.list ?
[12:16] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: wb
[12:16] <sandralade> ok ill do that
[12:17] <holdenss> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/   no RC there anymore
[12:17] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; when i tried intel it got my screen smaller...nearly half the size of monitor
[12:17] <Cugel> They'll wait till all mirrors are updated.
[12:17] <aguitel> dates of iso images are abril 20
[12:18] <thewrath> wait till all mirrors are updated for waht Cugel
[12:18] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: i810 didnt work neither?
[12:18] <td123> I already dled the final iso
[12:18] <td123> works great
[12:18] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; when i tried i810 it got it the same way as it was with when i tired with i915
[12:18] <loomsen1> :(
[12:18] <PerryArmstrong> now i get only 1 error before login screen
[12:18] <holdenss> thanks
[12:18] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: which is?
[12:18] <Cugel> They will wait with the announcement of 9.04.
[12:19] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, just got back again. There are 2 drivers for intel chipsets: i810 (old) and intel (new)
[12:19]  * incorrect wonders when 9.10 will be out
[12:19] <ikonia> incorrect: don't be silly please
[12:19] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; The following error was encountered: you need to update your configuration to sole this   (EE) No devices detected
[12:19] <incorrect> sorry i couldn' help it ikonia
[12:19] <frk2> incorrect on 9/10 ?
[12:19] <frk2> haha
[12:19] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; and i am running Ubuntu in low graphics mode
[12:19] <BUGabundo> QUESTION any one with fresh install can u please pastebin your sources.list ?
[12:20] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; got back in the sense??
[12:20] <freakabcd> the new intel driver in its current release and form *might* not be suitable for older chipsets (like mine, 855GM and maybe even yours!). In this case the Xorg people recommend you use i810
[12:20] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; and whats the new one??
[12:20] <loomsen1> freakabcd: passing this one to u ^^
[12:20] <minimec> PerryArmstrong: Again... what if you just did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ...
[12:20] <loomsen1> minimec: STOP IT!
[12:20] <ulng> please can someone tell me where the correct forum/chan is to ask the question "What time will Ubuntu 9.04 be released officially?"
[12:21] <PerryArmstrong> minimec; it shrinks my screen to half my monitor size
[12:21] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, What exactly is the problem? The display resolution on your laptop not the right one? I assume you have posted your xorg.conf file somewhere on pastebin?
[12:21] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: minimec: it just drops you back to default
[12:21] <Cugel> ulng: here, of course.
[12:21] <ulng> :) Cugel
[12:21] <loomsen1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7125153#post7125153
[12:21] <loomsen1> @ freakabcd
[12:22] <the_eraser> the torrents are 23 april means its realesed?
[12:22] <freakabcd> thanks loomsen1. I will take a look now
[12:22] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; its pc not lappy
[12:22] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; i posted it here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7125052#post7125052
[12:22] <ulng> so does anyone know when it's going to be released officially?
[12:22] <sponzor> in 3 ours
[12:22] <ulng> thanks sponzor
[12:23] <sponzor> i m joking i dont know :P
[12:23] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, does not matter. i remember you mentioned 945G/GZ as your chipset. Xorg driver i810 supports this chipset. And so does the updated and 'newer' intel driver
[12:23] <sponzor> it should be soon becose the mirrors dont show rc anymore
[12:23] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; but then i still get that message
[12:24] <PerryArmstrong>  The following error was encountered: you need to update your configuration to sole this   (EE) No devices detected
[12:25] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd, loomsen1, minimec; just something that i noticed.... i have a shotcut to screen resolution on my panel and i see the message "Unknown" and "Rotation not supported
[12:25] <vistakiller> ZzzzZZzzZZzZZzzZZ
[12:26] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: what if you simply comment out the BusID line and try again?
[12:26] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; hey where can i post my screenshot??
[12:26] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, that is very suspect. Intel chips (rather the intel) drivers are the first ones to add support (and really good one at that) for rotation. Infact XrandR from keithp was built up from the intel driver he was working on
[12:26] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: i like shutter
[12:26] <wlodi> http://www.releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[12:27] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; whats the link
[12:27] <TychoQuad> My 3G modem is no longer identified by the network manager whenever I plug it in in Jaunty. it sees it if it's plugged in when I boot the computer, but if i disconnect it, it's lost until next boot. anyone have any ideas?
[12:27] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: heres the sources.list entry:
[12:28] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/i*
[12:28] <AlleyKat> is it out in the update channel?
[12:28] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1:???
[12:28] <AlleyKat> 'it' being 9.04 :)
[12:28] <freakabcd> Does that ^^^^ show intel_drv.so and i915_drv.so ?
[12:28] <slayton> AlleyKat, do you like de-horning Unicorns?
[12:28] <loomsen1> http://pastebin.com/m43fb3e20
[12:28] <AlleyKat> uh
[12:29] <AlleyKat> not being a virgin I doubt I could catch one :P
[12:29] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; http://paste.ubuntu.com/156465/
[12:29] <slayton> AlleyKat, read the channel topic
[12:29] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1:i didnt follow what you said
[12:29] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: http://pastebin.com/m43fb3e20
[12:30] <BonezAU> any update on when the release will come out?
[12:30] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, i don;t see i915_drv.so in there so you cannot have Driver "i915" in your xorg.conf
[12:30] <freakabcd> edit it and make it i180
[12:30] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: thats the sources.list for shutter
[12:30] <AlleyKat> and no doubt that Q is asked a million times a day :) its just that the day of the RC I updated, and hmm I guess I was a few hours early... tok an hour...
[12:30] <AlleyKat> need better line I know
[12:30] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1:i forgot to say that i changed it just now to i810 and its the same
[12:31] <AlleyKat> mebbe I'll just wait and try tomorrow
[12:31] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: yes, you mentioned
[12:31] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd:i forgot to say that i changed it just now to i810 and its the same
[12:31] <freakabcd> can you post the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file?
[12:31] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1:sorry i mistyped the message to you.. it was for freakabcd
[12:31] <AlleyKat> I just hope for something fixing my dual screen problem
[12:31] <incorrect> while installing 9.04 i was dismayed to see that the installed took over 5 minutes, can we should aim in future to have the installed done in around 30 seconds
[12:31] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, it is ok. I am paying attention :)
[12:31] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: ^^ thought so
[12:31] <PerryArmstrong> incorrect; i took me 2 days
[12:32] <incorrect> d'oh
[12:32] <freakabcd> AlleyKat, what graphics card?
[12:32] <PerryArmstrong> incorrect; my download speed is 12kbps....so took 2 days
[12:32] <AlleyKat> radeon HD 3600
[12:32] <incorrect> PerryArmstrong, my pxe boot takes around 7 mins to build me a fully working system dropping on my custom config
[12:32] <loomsen1> freakabcd: PerryArmstrong basically you're doing the same we already did , and this is really strange
[12:33] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1: ya... and i already did this 5 times before
[12:33] <incorrect> PerryArmstrong, i would install faster if you weren't hanging around on irc using up your bandwidth
[12:33] <perlsyntax> when is ubuntu 9.04 is going to  be for download?
[12:33] <freakabcd> AlleyKat, last I heard, the ATI folk got their act together. I must have misheard if you've been having problems with just dual screen setups
[12:33] <incorrect> perlsyntax, it already is
[12:33] <incorrect> just not offically
[12:33] <perlsyntax> what the link?
[12:33] <AlleyKat> runs fine on screen 1, but lists too low hz speeds for screen 2... the 2 screens are exactly same type
[12:34] <PerryArmstrong> incorrect; while the upgrade took place i didnt take up any bandwith for other purposes
[12:34] <perlsyntax> incorrect do you know the link?
[12:34] <BonezAU> looks like the final release is out?
[12:34] <perlsyntax> but where
[12:34] <incorrect> perlsyntax, try looking at the dir structure of the mirrors
[12:34] <AlleyKat> it ran fine on b2, but after updating to b4, screen 2 began flickering
[12:34] <BonezAU> torrents
[12:34] <xukun> perlsyntax, http://www.releases.ubuntu.com/
[12:34] <AlleyKat> and the system became choppy
[12:34] <incorrect> BonezAU, it has been for ages
[12:35] <perlsyntax> thanks
[12:35] <freakabcd> AlleyKat, b2..b4.. I don;t comprehend that unfortunately. Are these betas?
[12:35] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; where can i post my screenshot
[12:35] <perlsyntax> i was looking on the main site
[12:35] <AlleyKat> yep
[12:35] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, imageshack.us
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[12:35] <perlsyntax> but didn't see it
[12:35] <BonezAU> incorrect: so the final release is available via torrent only at this point in time?
[12:36] <freakabcd> perlsyntax, huh? click on the releases folder and there you have it
[12:36] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: did u install shutter? after you took the shot click screenshot-->upload
[12:36] <loomsen1> and chose one
[12:36] <perlsyntax> ok
[12:36] <incorrect> BonezAU, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/ubuntu-releases/9.04/
[12:36] <joaopinto> BonezAU, officially the final releas is not available in anywhere
[12:36] <perlsyntax> thanks
[12:36] <incorrect> apart from on that mirror
[12:36] <AlleyKat> I'll just wait a few days, then update and get back here for help resetting screen settings :) thx freakabcd
[12:36] <darthanubis> There has only been one update since release candidate. Why every six months do ppl have a fetish with downloading, and jamming up the servers, to get the disc label "final". An apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will suffice.
[12:37] <perlsyntax> so that the stable one then
[12:37] <freakabcd> AlleyKat, perhaps best to ask for help also (simultaneously?) in #xorg
[12:37] <perlsyntax> :)
[12:37] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1, freakabcd; http://img5.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img5/513/screenshotmfl.png
[12:37] <BonezAU> incorrect: thanks... but any idea why that mirror only?
[12:38] <incorrect> BonezAU, there are other mirrors
[12:38] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; i didnt find shutter in my repos
[12:38] <AlleyKat> afterall my win setup runs perfectly, its just that I'm a bit anxious to get a just as perfect setup in ubuntu and begin using that more permanently.. ok thx, good advice
[12:39] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, Thsi is after you changed the xorg.conf file and put i180 in the Driver line?
[12:39] <loomsen1> i posted the link to the sources twice...
[12:39] <loomsen1> http://pastebin.com/m43fb3e20
[12:39] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, not to be pedantic, but you did restart X right?
[12:39] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1,freakabcd; it was before and after
[12:40] <JPSman> HA, so since all the servers are getting dos, where can I find a reliable torrent of the RC?
[12:40] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; actually i dont know whats X though i heard i many times and i dont know how to restart it... anyways i logged out for doing this
[12:41] <BluesKaj> darthanubis, the servers aren't allowing network upgrades yet , altho one can DL torrent, ftp etc images
[12:41] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. make sure you save any docos or other work you were doing and close applications also before doing that key combo
[12:41] <loomsen1> freakabcd: wont work
[12:41] <freakabcd> loomsen1, huh?
[12:41] <ienorand> freakabcd: dontzap...
[12:42] <freakabcd> loomsen1, did canonical remove that from Xorg code?
[12:42] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: X is what differences the ttys from your desktop environment, X binds input and output devices together
[12:42] <ienorand> Possibly alt+sysreq+K will work
[12:42] <loomsen1> and creates a more than BIOS
[12:42] <darthanubis> BluesKaj, I just updated and got the newer firefox. I was not talking about 8.10-9.04 but an update from a pre-release 9.04
[12:42] <loomsen1> BIOS= basic input output system
[12:42] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; freakabcd; ya it sisnt work when i pressed the keys
[12:42] <frybye> Hi - I have a fully- updated 9.04 that was a beta a bit back - and the brasero seems to be still held back?
[12:43] <ienorand> frybye: install via synaptic?
[12:43] <frybye> ok...
[12:44] <Cougarten> hi, this seems o be a bug: I can check "import profiles" on install even if those are an the partition I will format. The profiles where not imoprted and are lost now. (I had a backup of home, others may have none)
[12:44] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; freakabcd; this problem existed more than 4 months
[12:44] <loomsen1> erm, PerryArmstrong
[12:44] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; freakabcd; i tried many ways...didnt work out
[12:44] <frybye> ienorand: synaptic says it is installed.. but I find it nowhere in the gui??
[12:44] <loomsen1> do u use a netbook?
[12:45] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; whats a netbook
[12:45] <frybye> and the update manager gui shows it as held back...?
[12:45] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: a subnotebook
[12:45] <mvo> frybye: its a known bug, will get fixed via a update right after release. its still haveing the old brasero
[12:45] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1;never heard of
[12:45] <mvo> frybye: just start update-manager and it should offer you the latest brasero
[12:46] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: nevermind, u said u have a desktop pc right
[12:46] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, out of curiosity; what are those CG video tutorials you have there on your desktop?
[12:47] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; ya
[12:47] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; i have Computer Graphics subject in my semester. I am a CS student...
[12:47] <x3cion> Why does my kde update notifier show "5 software updates are available" even if there's none?
[12:47] <frybye> I marked brasero for an update in synaptic and it seems to hvae worked...
[12:47] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; CG is computer graphics...
[12:48] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; i made lots of downloads this week and i have my sem exams...so i didnt find time to rearrange and clean my desktop
[12:49] <_kal_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:49] <_kal_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:49] <_kal_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:49] <_kal_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:49] <_kal_> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:49] <mvo> frybye: yeah, its just a transient issue, everyone will get it with the next update-manager run, its just a bit of a glitch not a real bug
[12:49] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, yes I knwo what CG is. I meant what tutorials are they? they are of lectures of the concepts/programming of CG (or) tutorials utilising certain programs (such as maya, 3dsmax,blender,etc.) ?
[12:49] <mvo> (well, its a real bug, but not a serious one)
[12:49] <Nikola94> I would rather wait for it to OFFICIALLY come
[12:50] <Cougarten> I can check "import profiles" on install even if those are an the partition I will format. The profiles where not imoprted and are lost now.
[12:50] <JPSman> hahhahahaha awesome.  But i'll wait for the torrent.  Anyone have a link???
[12:50] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong:
[12:50] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; concepts.. you can get the video tutorials of many subjects at nptel.iitm.ac.in
[12:50] <Nikola94> it is NOT out YET!!!!!1
[12:50] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; yes
[12:50] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: just found this
[12:50] <|ns|nR8> how long till its official and all the repos go down
[12:50] <loomsen1> /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-intel/script
[12:50] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, ok. i just wanted to know what the videos were of. I've seen way too many of them
[12:50] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: try and run it maybe, can hardly get worse...
[12:50] <freakabcd> |ns|nR8, all the repos 'go down' ?
[12:51] <danbhfive> |ns|nR8: the servers are already starting to distribute partial images.
[12:51] <|ns|nR8> there cool
[12:51] <cousteau> jaunty has just freezed
[12:51] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; what do i do with that??
[12:51] <loomsen1> run it
[12:51] <loomsen1> if you have it
[12:51] <Nikola94> cousteau: ofcourse, since you use illegal download link
[12:51] <|ns|nR8> they usually get a good hammering freakabcd
[12:51] <freakabcd> |ns|nR8, they're in that process right now
[12:51] <|ns|nR8> lots go down..not all
[12:52] <cousteau> I mean, it's not responding
[12:52] <freakabcd> they don't go down. the link's become congested or the response is slow due to the load
[12:52] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; ??
[12:52] <Raylz> do we have any date for the release?
[12:52] <Nikola94> Ya
[12:52] <Nikola94> Today
[12:53] <Raylz> ye, when
[12:53] <cousteau> it doesn't respond to REISUB
[12:53] <X-TaZ> 8 minuts remaining .. :)
[12:53] <Nikola94> Let me tell you the rules
[12:53] <minimec> cousteau: I also have that problem with a ati9600 mobility + compiz + more than 4 WIndows open. Then I have a great risk for a complete system freeze.
[12:53] <|ns|nR8> hehe
[12:53] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: do you have such a file on your pc? cd /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-intel/
[12:53] <freakabcd> Raylz, if you want to know when the official announcement will arrive, then we have no clue. if you want the isos, you can grab them at the usual place(s)
[12:53] <Nikola94> 1. if it isn't released now, it will be released in 1 hour 2. look at rule number 1.
[12:53] <cousteau> in fact, this is a laptop so I'm not sure if the sysrq key works
[12:53] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: sudo chmod +x && ./script
[12:54] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; i have that directory
[12:54] <frybye> remind me of the #name for the releaseparty please?
[12:54] <Raylz> freakabcd: are they rc isos or finished images?
[12:54] <cousteau> neither Ctrl Alt F1 nor Ctrl Alt BkSp
[12:54] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: sudo chmod +x script && ./script
[12:54] <freakabcd> Raylz, final images. cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/releases <- check for yourself
[12:55] <Raylz> freakabcd: ty
[12:55] <freakabcd> ofcourse, use your closest/local mirror
[12:55] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; this is the output: ./script: 15: 3: Bad file descriptor
[12:55] <Nikola94> wait for the official announcment...
[12:55] <danbhfive> cousteau: how to you press the sysreq key?  C-PrintScreen?
[12:55] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: if you type pwd you get that directory? if so
[12:55] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; how do i run this??
[12:55] <PerryArmstrong> /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-intel/script
[12:56] <cousteau> danbhfive: Fn+del
[12:56] <Raylz> freakabcd: it was http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/release/ though :)
[12:56] <Raylz> ty
[12:56] <loomsen1> o.O
[12:56] <cousteau> the del key has a sysrq written on it
[12:56] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen; oshan@roshan:/usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-intel$ pwd
[12:56] <PerryArmstrong> /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:56] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: is what pwd shows?
[12:56] <loomsen1> ok
[12:56] <freakabcd> cousteau, Fn+sysrq key
[12:56] <PerryArmstrong> yes
[12:56] <danbhfive> cousteau: hm, I guess its different for different keyboards
[12:56] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong:
[12:56] <freakabcd> that is sysrq. now press whatever else you need to along with that
[12:56] <loomsen1> ls -alh
[12:56] <cousteau> I have also tried Fn+prt scr, Fn+alt+prt scr...
[12:57] <freakabcd> cousteau, what do you want to press? i mean what combo? sysrq+... ?
[12:57] <underjjjjj> is it being released today or not?
[12:57] <loomsen1> no man
[12:57] <Nikola94> It will be
[12:57] <cousteau> freakabcd: reisub
[12:57] <Nikola94> !outyet
[12:57] <freakabcd> reisub ?
[12:57] <Nikola94> Guess not
[12:57] <loomsen1> just a late !st aprl joke
[12:57] <Cougarten> underjjjjj: just install it, it will update as soon at it is final
[12:57] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; http://paste.ubuntu.com/156479/
[12:57] <Nikola94> lol, maybe
[12:57] <underjjjjj> what you mean no predetermined time. the release date is 23rd april
[12:58] <loomsen1> last year maybe
[12:58] <loomsen1> nothin new today
[12:58] <dekkong> :P
[12:58] <minimec> freakabcd: raising elephants is so utterly boring reisub!
[12:58] <freakabcd> cousteau, if you mean you want to type out 'busier' holding the sysrq key, its not going to work on your laptop keyboard. cos 'i' and 'u' keys are numpad when Fn key is pressed.
[12:58] <freakabcd> is it reisub or busier?
[12:59] <loomsen1> kreisub
[12:59] <BluesKaj> underjjjjj, the image iso is already available http://rs.releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[12:59] <cousteau> anyway, I've tried SysRq+B; that should reboot the PC
[12:59] <cousteau> and SysRq+RB
[13:00] <omer> yeah i see the release has been available http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[13:00] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: i'm sorry, i dont have any clue how i could help you there o.o
[13:00] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, mate. you're going to have better luck in #xorg with your issue. just hope that not all of them are sleeping at the same time :)
[13:00] <cousteau> I think it's a linux problem; I also had the same problem with a desktop pc
[13:01] <freakabcd> cousteau, what is a linux problem?
[13:01] <cousteau> or a similar one, can't remember
[13:01] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; already tried there with no success
[13:01] <AlexFera> If i have already ubuntu 9.04 RC, is there any need to reinstall ubuntu 9.04 final release?
[13:01] <cousteau> the not working SysR1q
[13:01] <ienorand> only sysrq+b is a bad idea, kinda like ripping power pug out of running computer...
[13:01] <freakabcd> i still don;t know what you want to do. i mean eventually; i.e. the reason for sysrq+...
[13:01] <cousteau> AlexFera: no, it will update automatically
[13:01] <AlexFera> ok
[13:02] <freakabcd> cousteau, you do realize you need to have Alt pressed as well, right
[13:02] <freakabcd> ?
[13:02] <joaopinto> !beta | AlexFera
[13:02] <freakabcd> cousteau, Alt+SysRq+b and say bye bye before.
[13:02] <cousteau> ienorand: it's a good idea for testing if SysRq works
[13:03] <cousteau> and it doesn't
[13:04] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1,freakabcd; i guess i'll leave
[13:04] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1,freakabcd; no positive outcomes as of now
[13:04] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: sorry buddy
[13:04] <cousteau> I'm gonna reboot using the button and check if REISUB works with an unfreezed system
[13:04] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: gl with that
[13:04] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; no probs
[13:04] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; ya thanks
[13:04] <PerryArmstrong> bye
[13:05] <cousteau> ok, the button did work
[13:05] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: yw, l8r
[13:05] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, i want to try out JJ on my laptop to see if I have any issues. and I am on the ancient 855GM chipset
[13:05] <cousteau> I didn't have to remove the charger and battery
[13:05] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; whats JJ
[13:05] <freakabcd> Jaunty Jackalope
[13:05] <freakabcd> Next one is ofcourse KK
[13:06] <BluesKaj> I guess we north american network upgraders have to wait for the sun to cross the international dateline before we get any service :)
[13:06]  * BluesKaj goes back to bed
[13:06] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1,freakabcd; and i suppose its better i buy a new monitor...this is an old one which i have...and i am getting a graphic card too.. which one is best for both Ubuntu and windows
[13:06] <freakabcd> Sun don;t cross international dateline. Oracle already did: select * from Sun
[13:06] <freakabcd> :)
[13:06] <ulng> first alpha release of 9.10 (Karmic Koala) is supposed to be May 14th
[13:06] <loomsen1> lol freak
[13:06] <loomsen1> ^
[13:06] <W8TAH> BluesKaj: i dont know - im in north america and ive gotten all my updates -- im fully running 9.04 -- works sweet
[13:07] <SwedeMike> plenty of people downloading via bittorrent already, anyway
[13:07] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: i like my nvidia in the meanwhile
[13:07] <cousteau> aargh!! I accidentally pressed and holded the Print Screen key
[13:07] <SwedeMike> I'm seeding 50 megabit/s
[13:07] <ienorand> cousteau: ^^
[13:07] <BluesKaj> W8TAH, did you get an update this morning ?
[13:07] <cousteau> and hundreds of screenshot windows have appeared
[13:07] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: and actually i'm at least not upset with their releases, so...
[13:08] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; is there any configuration no's to it like your monitor or motherboard
[13:08] <W8TAH> BluesKaj: ya
[13:08] <BluesKaj> main server?
[13:08] <W8TAH> BluesKaj: dunno - which ever is the default
[13:08] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: pardon? you mean if i lack support for sth? no actually not
[13:08] <W8TAH> BluesKaj: had 4 security updates waiting when i got here this morning
[13:08] <BluesKaj> the server depends on your area/location
[13:08] <freakabcd> W8TAH, default would be your local mirror
[13:09] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: i dont have a hdmi out so i cant check that
[13:09] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; sth??
[13:09] <W8TAH> oh - -ok - then i guess its the cleveland ohio area
[13:09] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: something
[13:09] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; hdmi??
[13:09] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: if you dont know what it is you prlly wont miss it
[13:09] <ienorand> cousteau: turn on group windows in panel and close group...
[13:09] <cousteau> hmm... Fn+prtscr == Fn+sysrq... weird
[13:09] <freakabcd> loomsen1, yo man. why you talking about hdmi to us lowly intel folk?
[13:09] <freakabcd> hehe
[13:09] <loomsen1> lol
[13:09] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; i didnt get you
[13:10] <cousteau> ienorand: never mind, I clicked several times on the Cancel button until it stopped
[13:10] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: did u ask if theres anything i'd like to run but am not able? then no
[13:10] <ienorand> cousteau: Yea, I have that as well, seems kernel ignores fn-keys or something
[13:11] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: but i have a notebook
[13:11] <cousteau> I hate laptops
[13:11] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: so, maybe i'm not the proper one to ask ^^
[13:11] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; okk
[13:11] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; i have been working on ubuntu since a year...and i reported maybe 3 bugs...
[13:12] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; and i wish to be a core devloper...though i dont know any coding for ubuntu..
[13:12] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; any idea
[13:12] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; i checked the wiki...its a bit crap
[13:12] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, don;t fret right away. It will take a long time.
[13:12] <matisse> hi
[13:13] <nandemonai> Hi guys.
[13:13] <freakabcd> and everyone was a noob when they started. so no need to feel bad
[13:13] <matisse> how do I upgrade from 8.10 to 9.x ?
[13:13] <loomsen1> http://linux.die.net/abs-guide/
[13:13] <nandemonai> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ <- Are the torrents here for the final?
[13:13] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; not anymore since i wanted to get badly into developing..
[13:13] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: maybe a nice start
[13:13] <freakabcd> there are lots of meanings for 'developing' though
[13:13] <nandemonai> I wanna help out by seeding :D
[13:13] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; not exactly...but then what i meant is...how should i go about
[13:14] <nandemonai> (Been on Jaunty since beta).
[13:14] <joaopinto> nandemonai, there is no final version until there is an announcement
[13:14] <drone1> seed it
[13:14] <freakabcd> nandemonai, grab the torrent and get the iso and then seed
[13:14] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: http://linux.die.net/abs-guide/
[13:14] <nandemonai> Ah ok so the torrents there are for the RC?
[13:14] <freakabcd> nandemonai, torrents are there for the final release
[13:14] <nandemonai> I'm a lil confused because it doesn't say rc.
[13:14] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; i meant it as be one of the persons responsible for coding in ubuntu. ;loomsen1
[13:15] <victim> I recently updated to a Jaunty RC will I have to do something special whenever 9.10 is released?
[13:15] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: then try and contact the guys over at debian maybe
[13:15] <nandemonai> victim: Just keep updating ;)
[13:15] <victim> thanks :)
[13:15] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, then you have a lot to learn. Sure there is coding going on for the linux distribution called 'ubuntu', but the amount of coding that goes into this, compared witht he coding that goes on for the applications is (frankly) almost nothing
[13:15] <alex2> jaunty is not rlsed ? :-O
[13:16] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; how frequent does the kernel et updated...is it as crazy as people like me waiting for an ubuntu release
[13:16] <SwedeMike> there are plenty of mirrors that are still fast anyway, I had no problem getting 10 megabytes/s from my not so local mirror (10ms away)
[13:16] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: well, no ^^
[13:16] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; ohhh yes...i am aware of that
[13:17] <victim> will Jaunty ever be released? Isn't Jaunty the pre release code name for 9.10 or am I being pedantic?
[13:17] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; okk but then i suppose its the kernel which plays more important role than a release
[13:17] <Light-> no thats Karmic Koala
[13:17] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; okk but then i suppose its the kernel which plays more important role than a distro release
[13:17] <SwedeMike> victim: you're confusing it with "sid" in debian.
[13:17]  * victim lols at himself
[13:17] <victim> 9.04*
[13:18] <alex2> 23.4 is now where it will be officialy ? :P
[13:18] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; i have unix in this sem...so i do know some commands....i just checked that link
[13:18] <victim> SwedeMike: I probably am, I've tried many distro and they all have excellent naming conventions
[13:19] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: http://git.kernel.org/
[13:19] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, if you want to get into kernel devel, then I strongly recommend reading LDD and hanging around #kernelnewbies(on oftc, not here)
[13:20] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; whats LDD
[13:20] <loomsen1> #2
[13:20] <freakabcd> many of the prominent kernel devs hang out in that channel
[13:20] <ernstp> can anyone start eclipse 3.4 on jaunty?
[13:20] <ernstp> or eclipse at all?
[13:20] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, Linux Driver Development. Its a book. freely available!
[13:20] <ernstp> thinking that todays security update of firefox broke it
[13:20] <joaopinto> ernstp, are you using sun's java ? the last time I have checked eclipse was only running fine with sun's jre
[13:21] <PerryArmstrong> freeakabcd; or is it Linux Device Drivers
[13:21] <freakabcd> joaopinto, eclipse seems to work fine with openjdk
[13:21] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, didn;t I say that? oh wait what did I say?
[13:21] <joaopinto> ah ok
[13:22] <freakabcd> lol, i made a mistake with ldd, first time its happened! must be getting sleepy
[13:22] <PerryArmstrong> freeakabcd,loomsen1; is the kernel same for both rpm and debian
[13:22] <PerryArmstrong> freeakabcd,loomsen1; is the kernel same for both rpm based and debian based
[13:22] <PerryArmstrong> lol
[13:23] <ernstp> joaopinto: yes. it's been running fine for a week but today it stopped working
[13:23] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, yes. it is the same kernel. maybe a different release and maybe with different patches, but essentilly the same kernel
[13:23] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; whats a patch
[13:23] <joaopinto> ernstp, that's odd, firefox should not touch the jre package
[13:24] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: a file which specifies which lines of another file shall be replaced
[13:24] <ernstp> joaopinto: eclipse uses swt which uses xulrunner
[13:24] <loomsen1> and against what
[13:24] <nandemonai> Alrighty guys, it's been fun. Seeya when the beta for 9.10 comes out ;)
[13:24] <loomsen1> lol
[13:24] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, a patch is a 'fix' essentially some code that fixes a bug or makes some new functionality in existing code
[13:24] <loomsen1> l8r
[13:24] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; ohkk....
[13:25] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; i always wonder where does free software and open source developers get their income....i was really baffled when one of my juniors asked this when he asked me this when i took a seminar on FSF and OSS
[13:26] <J-_> "USB Startup Disk Creator" Will that let me install Ubuntu from USB once I get an image on the usb drive?
[13:26] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: well, there are different ways to gain money even with free software
[13:26] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; how???
[13:26] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, developing software is like any other job. companies pay for development.
[13:27] <PerryArmstrong> take example of ubuntu...who pays them
[13:27] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: like some might be paid hardware developer, and just code OSapps for fun
[13:27] <td123> PerryArmstrong: shuttleworth
[13:27] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: or maybe ur box asks u for alittle script to do whatever
[13:27] <freakabcd> for example many of the people working with Xorg (the display system you use) are paid by the graphics card manufacturers (such as intel, nvidia, ati) or other companies that have a vested interest in the technology
[13:27] <PerryArmstrong> td123; whats that
[13:28] <rski> PerryArmstrong: a debian developer and millionare
[13:28] <PerryArmstrong> loomsen1; so i pay for whoever writes that script
[13:28] <rski> who quit debian went to space and started ubuntu
[13:28] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: and you think that if you distribute your base source you might profit l8r on from some source added by others
[13:28] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, td123 meant Mark Shuttleworth. look him up on wikipedia
[13:28] <rski> he puts money in ubuntu via cannonical
[13:28] <td123> PerryArmstrong: you don't know who shuttleworth is and you're in ubuntu? hah, that's funny, now cut the crap out :P
[13:29] <rski> PerryArmstrong: wikipedia is a good source of information about mark shuttleworth
[13:29] <loomsen1> td123: well, as long as steve wozniak is known.^^
[13:29] <freakabcd> td123, he is a new user. so maybe he doesn;t know!
[13:29] <PerryArmstrong> td123; founder of Ubuntu??
[13:29] <freakabcd> loomsen1, the other 'fake' steve eclipses the Real(tm) Steve (Wozniak) most of the time :(
[13:30] <loomsen1> freakabcd: sad and true, but maybe woz doesn't mind, or even enjoys?
[13:31] <RandumKiwi> Hey, is anyone else having trouble burning the Jaunty release to disc?
[13:31] <freakabcd> perhaps. I've always felt the Real Steve did Real work! while the fake steve did most of the 'faking' :)
[13:31] <PerryArmstrong> one thing...why do companies pay for a free software and OSS when its given free
[13:31] <loomsen1> freakabcd: at least he looks as if he was off his feed ^^
[13:32] <RandumKiwi> in particular, the 64bit desktop edition
[13:32] <RandumKiwi> tried from 2 different sources, neither worked.
[13:32] <_Fauchi95_> Hello! When I want install 9.04 the installer stands by loading the partitions manager. I have used the alternate cd too, but it is the same
[13:32] <drone1> software is free tech support is not
[13:32] <rski> RandumKiwi: sure because it's not out yet
[13:32] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: well, most commercial liinux distros don't sell the sofzware but the support & maintainance
[13:32] <Cougarten> whats best to run windows inside of linux?
[13:32] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, perhaps you want to read ESR's book
[13:32] <drone1> yep
[13:32] <RandumKiwi> rski: .. are you telling me the images are designed to fail?
[13:33] <drone1> lol
[13:33] <rski> gotunandan: try virtualbox if you have a windows license. else use wine
[13:33] <rski> RandumKiwi: im saying it's not out yet
[13:33] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; where do i et that book??
[13:33] <Cougarten> virtualbox thx
[13:33] <drone1> maybe they used proprietary software to make the images thats why theyre crappy
[13:33] <freakabcd> in your local library perhaps?
[13:33] <loomsen1> (whispers there are virtual box images for download available too out there )
[13:33] <RandumKiwi> rski: ok, well, I've used this link, plus the same package on another server: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:34] <rski> so did the md5sum match?
[13:34] <RandumKiwi> yes
[13:34] <RandumKiwi> both failed at 82%
[13:34] <rski> how does it fail
[13:34] <RandumKiwi> http://rafb.net/p/SBZA7u85.html
[13:34] <drone1> that image is for amd64 architecture
[13:34] <loomsen1> http://helpdesklive.info/download/VirtualBox%20VDI%20free%20images.html
[13:34] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, if you don;t mind reading from screen: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/
[13:34] <loomsen1> google will open even more doors, i'm sure
[13:34] <drone1> is there a pdf for cathedral bazaar?
[13:34] <RandumKiwi> rski: I've tried 4 discs, 2 downloads from different mirrors.
[13:34] <rski> RandumKiwi: looks like fault discs to me, could be a k3b bug also
[13:35] <freakabcd> I'm not sure. Maybe
[13:35] <rski> Errno: 5 (Input/output error), write_g1 scsi sendcmd: no error
[13:35] <RandumKiwi> rski: oh, also 2 different burners.
[13:35] <RandumKiwi> burner programs*
[13:35] <RandumKiwi> not burners themselves though :/
[13:35] <drone1> they used nero to burn make the image <.<
[13:35] <X-TaZ> Have you checked ou md5 ?..
[13:35] <RandumKiwi> yep
[13:35] <X-TaZ> burnt at low speed ?
[13:35] <drone1> remove the burn word
[13:35] <RandumKiwi> rski: yes
[13:36] <RandumKiwi> X-TaZ, i mean
[13:36] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; i'll check that out
[13:36] <freakabcd> drone1, http://webyes.com.br/wp-content/uploads/ebooks/book_cathedral_bazaar.pdf   (or)   http://www.si.umich.edu/~rfrost/courses/SI110/readings/IntellecProp/Cathedral-Bazaar.pdf
[13:36] <drone1> use the default cd/dvd creator
[13:36] <freakabcd> PerryArmstrong, ^^^ if you want the pdf
[13:36] <drone1> thanks freakabcd
[13:36] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; ya i want pdf...and whats the ESR you mentioned
[13:37] <freakabcd> Eric S. Raymond
[13:37] <drone1> ESR omg
[13:37] <PerryArmstrong> are you all users of ubuntuforums
[13:37] <freakabcd> thats the guy;s name :)
[13:37] <drone1> he said it
[13:37] <drone1> eric is great
[13:37] <freakabcd> nope. I have never registered there. but I occasionally look there for some info
[13:37] <drone1> open source advocate
[13:37] <rski> sure i visit the forums sometimes
[13:37] <freakabcd> hes the one without a beard. If you want beard, you want RMS -> Richard M. Stallman
[13:37] <PerryArmstrong> here's another thread of mine read it and answer in the forum itself as i am leaving now
[13:37] <ernstp> yeah, the xulrunner update breaks eclipse 3.4
[13:37] <freakabcd> mwahahaha
[13:37] <PerryArmstrong> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132791
[13:38] <drone1> lol
[13:38] <PerryArmstrong> here's another thread of mine read it and answer in the forum itself as i am leaving now http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132791
[13:38] <loomsen1> PerryArmstrong: lately i havent been active 2 much
[13:38] <PerryArmstrong> you guys just add me as friend in the forums;;will keep in touch...
[13:38] <RandumKiwi> rski: I'm trying another cd burner npw
[13:38] <RandumKiwi> now*
[13:38] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; whats ESR
[13:38] <rski> ok
[13:39] <freakabcd> Eric S. Raymond. I just told you!
[13:39] <PerryArmstrong> freakabcd; and the pdf you mentioned
[13:39] <PerryArmstrong> okk
[13:39] <Tecna> !party
[13:39] <freakabcd> thats the book he wrote. explaining the concept(s) of opensource, etc.
[13:39] <drone1> freakabcd: thanks for the pdf's
[13:39] <drone1> brb
[13:39] <freakabcd> no worries dROg
[13:39] <freakabcd> drone1,
[13:39] <freakabcd> heh
[13:39] <drone1> i will be Salajadin later
[13:39] <Tecna> #ubuntu-release-party
[13:39] <drone1> i am drone1 when im at office
[13:39] <drone1> and am Salajadin at home
[13:39] <freakabcd> lol, ok.
[13:40] <freakabcd> i'm always freakabcd
[13:40] <XulOrezBus> i am shocked and saddened there are no Release Parties in NC :/
[13:40] <drone1> lol thanks again
[13:40] <drone1> brb
[13:40] <freakabcd> ok guys/gals. I've gotta go to sleep now. Goodnight all
[13:41] <PerryArmstrong> good bye everyone
[13:41] <XulOrezBus> oh
[13:41] <XulOrezBus> wait
[13:41] <loomsen1> l8rz
[13:41] <XulOrezBus> there is
[13:41] <XulOrezBus> +D
[13:41] <loomsen1> ← out as well
[13:41] <loomsen1> cyaz
[13:41] <dansmith91> so why isn't it out yet?
[13:41] <Halow> !outyet
[13:42] <rski> dansmith91: just like duke nukem forever, it will be released when it's done.
[13:42] <RandumKiwi> duke nukem forever will never be released.
[13:42] <RandumKiwi> there's a big difference
[13:43] <rski> dnf just have a longer release cycle...
[13:43] <rski> bit like debian
[13:43] <PerryArmstrong> somebody also asked me whether OSS and FSF developers get well paid when compared to closed source as Microsoft and i had to tell that guy who asked me in the seminar that i really didnt have any idea about that
[13:44] <PerryArmstrong> some baffling questions that i got pissed and felt dumb when i conducted a FSF session...
[13:44] <rski> PerryArmstrong: kernel developers usually get paied pretty good, but closed source developers surely get more.
[13:44] <RandumKiwi> I thought we just let OSS dev's starve? :)
[13:44] <PerryArmstrong> rski; okk
[13:46] <PerryArmstrong> if you have any idea about this thread do post it there as i am leaving now http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132791
[13:46] <ugliefrog> is today the day that 9.04 is released
[13:46] <PerryArmstrong> rski; what about distro devlopers for example ubuntu or Fedora or Red Hat
[13:46] <JerkyBoys> ugliefrog: yes
[13:47] <ugliefrog> Is it best to upgrade through internet or download iso
[13:48] <RandumKiwi> rski: It worked... the computer I burnt it on is a 64bit with 32bit OS, yet the first one that kept failing at 82% was a 32/32bit... do you have to burn 64bit CD images on 64bit computers?
[13:48] <PerryArmstrong> ugliefrog; depends upon your download speed
[13:49] <PerryArmstrong> RandumKiwi; writing images doesn't depend upon the architecture
[13:49] <RandumKiwi> that's what I thought.
[13:50] <RandumKiwi> .. is it possible that there is something in the image that just won'
[13:50] <RandumKiwi> .. is it possible that there is something in the image that just won't work with 32bit though?
[13:51] <RandumKiwi> (i.e. corrupted, etc?)
[13:51] <thordom> sorry for annoying question, but will ask O:-), Ubuntu 9.0.4 is there a time (inc. timezone, as I am in UK) when it will be released?, as I would like to download whilst in the office with fatter pipe to internet :)
[13:51] <TylerSzabo> lol
[13:51] <TylerSzabo> I dare you to ask that in #ubuntu-release-party
[13:51] <PerryArmstrong> do you mean writing ISO to cd or installation
[13:51] <TylerSzabo> I believe the answer is no
[13:52] <thordom> couldn't find that room on this server
[13:52] <TylerSzabo> and the rumour is that they're confirming the mirrors sync'ed
[13:52] <thordom> ok, thx Tyler :)
[13:52] <TylerSzabo> however it appears that the isos for the release are up on some mirrors
[13:52] <Cougarten> thordom: just download it now. If anything changes to the final release you can get it through small updates
[13:53] <thordom> Courgarten: another idea, thx
[13:54] <TylerSzabo> how reliable is 8.10 -> 9.04RC ?
[13:54] <TylerSzabo> smoke?
[13:56] <derspankster> I did a fresh install to a new hard drive - only issue I had was that I had to reinstall swfdec for some reason.
[13:57] <PerryArmstrong> rski; there??
[13:57] <rski> sure
[13:58] <rski> playing some quake
[13:58] <PerryArmstrong> rski; what about distro devlopers for example ubuntu or Fedora or Red Hat
[13:58] <PerryArmstrong> compared with kernel developers
[14:00] <PerryArmstrong> rski; any idea
[14:02] <JerkyBoys> looks like 9.04 is out
[14:02] <XulOrezBus> yep
[14:02] <usergr> How can I update my ubuntu to final version?
[14:02] <okanasik> Yea but why the date shows 20th of april on mirrors and all ?
[14:03] <PerryArmstrong> JerkyBoyz; where i dont see it
[14:03] <zoggy> does anyone else have problems with many jaunty apps not saving settings, for example kate, plasma etc
[14:03] <zoggy> i have to reconfigure kate each time i open a file
[14:03] <Asad-away> upgrade instructions from 8.10, anyhwere ?
[14:03] <Asad-away> anywhere*
[14:03] <Asad-away> since it's officially out now
[14:04] <Cougarten> its not
[14:04] <SandGorgon> bye bye jaunty... i'll see you guys at karmic
[14:04] <LurkersA> ...
[14:04] <Asad-away> the ubuntu site is saying it's out ... ?
[14:04] <bazhang> yep it is
[14:04] <Cougarten> yes?
[14:04] <Cougarten> oh
[14:04] <usergr> Yes its out!!
[14:04] <bazhang> Y!
[14:04] <Cougarten> LETZ PARTY HARD!
[14:04] <Insti> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[14:04] <usergr> How to upgrade from RC to final??
[14:04] <SandGorgon> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2009-April/000122.html
[14:04] <Cougarten> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (if you want to force it)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> the main network server is upgrading packages as we speak
[14:05] <mbeierl> I guess this channel is soon to be closed ;)
[14:05] <X3> no
[14:05] <Cougarten> usergr: just take the new updates
[14:05] <mbeierl> time to change the topic !
[14:05] <usergr> thanks
[14:05] <X3> ubuntu+1 is always open for the next release
[14:05] <bazhang> err no
[14:06] <hifi> topic is oldish ;)
[14:06] <X3> errr yes
[14:06] <mbeierl> I heard they close it until the next release is far enough along to warrant a channel
[14:06] <bazhang> the channel will close for a bit X3
[14:06] <Asad-away> Should I update using "Update Manager" .. it has the 9.04 update option ?
[14:06] <eagles0513875> hey bazhang grats on jaunty
[14:06] <eagles0513875> Pici: grats on jaunty
[14:06] <X3> well I never known it to close
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Asad-away , yes
[14:07] <X3> but then again im not sad enough to be here every day
[14:07] <Asad-away> the cd / iso has the upgrade option too?
[14:07] <Asad-away> I don't want to download so many packages just to re-download them in .iso
[14:07] <x3cion> X3, not yet
[14:07] <x3cion> o.o
[14:07] <tuxFan> dvd problems in jaunty , cant play dvds
[14:07] <Cougarten> Asad-away: just install and update
[14:08] <X3> dvd of kubuntu wot install in VM
[14:08] <Asad-away> using the cd/iso Cougarten ?
[14:08] <X3> anyways been emotional not
[14:08] <usergr> I run the update manager and reloaded but no new updates
[14:08] <Cougarten> Asad-away: : why not? not all packages of the world will change. just a few small updates will come
[14:09] <Asad-away> ohh ok Cougarten
[14:09] <Cougarten> bye folks
[14:09] <mishu> someone should probably change the topic..
[14:09] <usergr> so i have the final ubuntu 9.04?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Asad-away , in the terminal , sudo update-manager -d
[14:09] <zoggy> will jaunty be a long term support edition?
[14:10] <usergr> did it
[14:10] <PerryArmstrong> i have RC and i checked updates but i didnt get any for the final release
[14:10] <mvo> usergr: are you behind a proxy maybe? try moving away the file ~/.update-manager-core/meta-release
[14:10] <BluesKaj> zoggy, not until 10.04
[14:10] <usergr> no proxy!
[14:10] <mvo> usergr: or are you on jaunty already :) ?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> 1 yr from now , the 10.04 edition will be LTS
[14:11] <SandGorgon> yayyy
[14:11] <mvo> PerryArmstrong: thats ok, its now jaunty-final :)
[14:11] <zoggy> BluesKaj: thanks
[14:11] <usergr> I am on Jaunty but its (it was) RC
[14:11] <BluesKaj> zoggy , np
[14:11] <Pici> !final
[14:11] <PerryArmstrong> mvo; are you sure...because i didnt get any updates
[14:11] <usergr> Thanks guys
[14:12] <mvo> PerryArmstrong: oh, not any since RC - does update-manager show nothing if you run it manually (via system/administration) ?
[14:13] <PerryArmstrong> mvo; ya
[14:13] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: u cant say that for sure! its not yet decided
[14:14] <BUGabundo> it can be 10.04 or 10.10
[14:14] <BUGabundo> read Mark's blog
[14:14] <x3cion> So, whats in the next release?
[14:14] <slytherin> x3cion: next as in which one?
[14:15] <x3cion> I personally prefer a coffee cooking... whatever
[14:15] <SandGorgon> x3cion: cloud computing in Karmic
[14:15] <x3cion> so my pc can make coffee
[14:15] <x3cion> oh
[14:15] <x3cion> I dig the tab-thing for dolphin in kde 4.3!
[14:15] <BUGabundo> x3cion: 9.10
[14:16] <x3cion> Yeah, guessed so
[14:16] <SandGorgon> x3cion: how did u install 4.3 ?
[14:16] <x3cion> i didnt, i just looked it up
[14:16] <x3cion> its already fixed in 4.3 in the kde bugtracker thingy stuff
[14:16] <x3cion> :]
[14:16] <dekkong> YO guys! is it possible to update from 9.04 Beta to 9.04? :
[14:16] <x3cion> I wanted to drag and drop tabs around
[14:17] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo , well that's what my sources , who are supposed to know these things , tell me
[14:17] <x3cion> dekkong,  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:17] <dekkong> x3cion: yeah thx I know but someone told me yesterday that it aint gonna work :P
[14:17] <x3cion> oh... well i dont know really
[14:18] <x3cion> but its a long time till 9.10
[14:18] <x3cion> :P
[14:18] <rm```> !final
[14:18] <dekkong> my update manager has been downloading stuff now for more than 3 hours .. an still 4 to go .. what is going on :P
[14:19] <tuxFan> cant play dvds in jaunty , why?
[14:19] <gotunandan> tuxFan: use ogle
[14:19] <x3cion> But I also have a problem currently. I have a laptop and an external screen connected to it and use it in dualview. Now I wrote the config into my xorg.conf. Everything works fine now, it really puts them next to each other from start on. But my internal display (LVDS) starts with a resolution of 1280x854 instead of its default 1440x900
[14:20] <x3cion> I'm using the radeon driver and have a X600
[14:21] <LurkersA> tuxFan: Or go to medibuntu and install 'libdvdcss2'
[14:22] <x3cion> Look at that http://pastebin.com/dc9a6cc3 its detecting the vga, but not the lvds :\
[14:22] <minimec> x3cion: Could it be, that the maximal possible resolution for your card is 2*1280?
[14:22] <BUGabundo> tuxFan: install codecs or CSS
[14:23] <BUGabundo> its not legal everywhere in the wolrd
[14:23] <BUGabundo> tuxFan: or use medibutnu
[14:23] <BUGabundo> !medbuntu | tuxFan
[14:23] <x3cion> minimec, if i configure it with xrandr (xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output VGA-0 --right-of LVDS --auto) then it works and the resolution is default
[14:24] <tuxFan> i got libdvdcss2 install
[14:24] <x3cion> minimec, but some kind of restriction seems to be there, its really weird
[14:24] <x3cion> if i turn on composite for example, a bit of the right screen is black
[14:24] <tuxFan> still cant play dvds , any idea?
[14:24] <x3cion> i had this before
[14:24] <BUGabundo> tuxFan: what app? totem?
[14:25] <BUGabundo> please try totem-xine, vlc, mplayer from medibuntu
[14:25] <slytherin> tuxFan: what do you mean by can't play? which player?
[14:25] <tuxFan> both , xine and totem
[14:25] <slytherin> BUGabundo: please don't suggest medibuntu unless it is absolutely necessary
[14:26] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo , Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop Edition Released". www.ubuntu.com. ... "As a result, we can commit that the next LTS release of Ubuntu will be 10.04 LTS
[14:27] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: link please
[14:27] <BUGabundo> slytherin: mind tell me why?
[14:27] <Pici> We don't control medibuntu.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> slytherin , medibuntu is fine , it doesn't break anything and the packages available there work well
[14:28] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu
[14:28] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: thats not even oficial wiki
[14:28] <BUGabundo> Pici: right... thats a valid reason
[14:28] <slytherin> BluesKaj: BUGabundo: in this case particularly there is nothing medibuntu packages do which ubuntu package can not.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> picky picky :)
[14:30] <BUGabundo> slytherin: correct
[14:30] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: just want a clean source!
[14:30] <BluesKaj> slytherin , fine stick to your argument , but there are ppl who use media apps provided by medibuntu who would disagree ...if you want to remain a legal/purist , that's your business.
[14:30] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: like marks blog where he states changing the not yet certain date
[14:30] <BUGabundo> i do use alot of stuff from MB
[14:31] <BluesKaj> URL/and date ?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> frankly I don't really care ...the LTS is on schedule and medibuntu is perfectly fine , ask the bot
[14:32] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu
[14:32] <ugliefrog> dang its going to take 2hrs and 19 minutes to upgrade
[14:32] <BluesKaj> but it doesn't tell you it breaks your system
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ok , I'm gone ..
[14:34] <BUGabundo> ugliefrog: change mirror?
[14:36] <ugliefrog> BUGabundo: Its already in the process....I dont want it to mess up..I should have  thought of that before I clicked upgrade
[14:36] <BUGabundo> ugliefrog: still donwloading? then its not a prob
[14:36] <BUGabundo> only installing may be
[14:36] <BUGabundo> and force to run dpgk --configure -a
[14:36] <BUGabundo> but downloading should not be a prob
[14:37] <ipatel> 9.04 has been released
[14:37] <BUGabundo> ipatel: oh really?
[14:37] <ipatel> yes
[14:37] <ipatel> (final version)
[14:38] <rski> lets see how long it takes for the servers to crap their pants
[14:38] <BUGabundo> rski: they already are
[14:38] <Pici> FYI, this channel is forwarded to #ubuntu now, so if you leave, you can't come back until closer to Karmic A1
[14:39] <BUGabundo> ohhhhh
[14:39] <BUGabundo> guys i'll miss u all! really!
[14:39] <joaopinto> lol
[14:39] <BUGabundo> i cant be on #ubuntu
[14:39] <BUGabundo> to noisy!
[14:40] <rski> so where's the koala
[14:41] <Pici> !schedule
[14:41] <SandGorgon> anybody have link to kubuntu desktop torrent ?
[14:41] <rski> Pici: i think i found it! http://static.arstechnica.com/koala-ubuntu-2.jpg
[14:41] <Pici> No comment.
[14:41] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: akgraner calc dtchen gnomefreak Hew hggdh jpds kklimonda maxb mvo nhandler Pici pwnguin rww  [[]]]
[14:41] <jpds> BUGabundo: Hi.
[14:42] <Pici> BUGabundo: uh...
[14:42] <gnomefreak> ?
[14:42] <Hew> BUGabundo
[14:42] <Hew> see everyone back here for Karmic :-)
[14:43] <BUGabundo> Hew: yep! i'm sure a bunch of us, will be reunited soon
[14:43] <BUGabundo> its a peaty this # gets closed!
[14:44] <Hew> it's a pity we don't have a new development release to start using already! Stable makes me feel funny :P
[14:44] <Hew> ah well, time to help out with sru-verification
[14:45] <gnomefreak> Pici: lets leave it open for today, i will check toolchain uploads, once tool chain is in we should open channel IMHO
[14:45] <Pici> gnomefreak: Okay.
[14:45]  * gnomefreak has other thing more pressing atm. thanks Pici 
[14:45] <SandGorgon> i see the DVD of kubuntu .. but not the CD ISO...
[14:45] <gnomefreak> s/pressing/pressing issues/
[14:45] <BUGabundo> Hew:  miss runing UM 4x a day
[14:46] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: thanks
[14:46] <TuTUXG> is it out?
[14:46] <gnomefreak> yes
[14:46] <TuTUXG> YEAHHHHHHHHHH!
[14:46] <BUGabundo> ahah
[14:46] <BUGabundo> TuTUXG: u came when ppl were already picking up the trash!
[14:47] <TuTUXG> sory guys, just woke up ;)
[14:47] <BUGabundo> the all party was WAITING for it
[14:47] <BUGabundo> this was the earliest release i ever remember of
[14:47] <BUGabundo> 14h GMT not bad
[14:47] <gnomefreak> see #ubuntu-release-party for release fun or #ubuntu for support
[14:47] <BUGabundo> 14:16 to be exact by the email
[14:47] <TuTUXG> im so happy!
[14:48] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: release-party is a mess! blows my mind there
[14:48] <BUGabundo> its worse the offtopic
[14:48] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: agrees
[14:48] <gnomefreak> i agree even
[14:48] <BUGabundo> theres a limite to what i can track! eheh
[14:49] <gnomefreak> tool chain is not released yet but will know more after i deal with this
[14:50] <BUGabundo> great
[14:50] <rconan> BUGabundo: I thought I remembered one in the morning but I might be wrong
[14:50] <BUGabundo> it would be so cool to not have to wait a *week*
[14:50] <gnomefreak> my fault im missing repos to check toolchain
[14:50] <BUGabundo> rconan: cant be sure... i've just been tracking releases since 6.10
[14:51] <BUGabundo> 7
[14:51] <BUGabundo> 7.10 was a 19GMT
[14:51] <rconan> ok... I was gonna say... that's most of them
[14:51] <BUGabundo> 8.04 16GMT
[14:51] <BUGabundo> 8.10 15.30GMT i think
[14:51] <BUGabundo> so this was the earliest i remember
[14:52] <BUGabundo> its just a question of checking announce emails
[14:52] <BUGabundo> should be fast!
[14:52] <BUGabundo> rconan: feel free to collect it eheh
[14:52] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back a bit later
[14:53] <thiebaude> hi BUGabundo
[14:53] <BUGabundo> cant find 8.10 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-October/thread.html
[14:53] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: [[]]
[14:54] <rconan> 4.10 was at 1406
[14:54] <rconan> so that's earlier :p
[14:54] <rconan> oh no... 1606 I got the TZ wrong
[14:54] <BUGabundo> wrong archve duh
[14:54] <BUGabundo> rconan: eheh
[14:55] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:55] <BUGabundo> 8.10 Thu Oct 30 14:11:31 GMT 2008
[14:55] <BUGabundo> 8.04 Thu Apr 24 13:17:20 BST 2008
[14:56] <BUGabundo> 7.10 Thu Oct 18 12:15:03 BST 2007
[14:56] <rconan> BUGabundo: probably a little offtopic to paste them all :p
[14:56] <BUGabundo> 7.04 Thu Apr 19 15:18:16 BST 2007
[14:56] <BUGabundo> rconan: we are already dead
[14:56] <BUGabundo> so now its nostalgic
[14:56] <BUGabundo> until toolchain
[14:56] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:57] <Pici> !ot
[14:57] <BUGabundo> at least there will be a irc log of it
[14:57] <BUGabundo> ok Pici
[14:57] <rconan> where is this archive you're using
[14:57] <rconan> 5.04 was Fri Apr 8 02:48:08 CDT 2005
[14:58] <rconan> which is 07:48:08 GT
[14:58] <rconan> s/GT/GMT
[14:58] <BUGabundo> bbl
[14:58] <BUGabundo> rconan: ubutnu-anounce
[15:04] <d1b> what's after jaunty ? koala ?
[15:04] <sebsebseb> d1b: Karmic  Koala
[15:11] <td123> lol
[15:11] <td123> when's the alpha 1 coming out?
[15:12] <td123> I never stay with the stable for long
[15:12] <sebsebseb> td123: yeah  same here
[15:12] <sebsebseb> td123: ,but as a result,  I got alpha6 of jaunty
[15:12] <sebsebseb> td123: and carried on updating, and still have some issues now
[15:12] <td123> sebsebseb: do a fresh install :P I always do that when I install an os
[15:13] <sebsebseb> td123: I am looking forward to doing a nice clean install with the final and Ext4,  but  probably better to wait untill weekend.  since the download servers will be packed
[15:13] <td123> sebsebseb: I dled the jaunty cd this morning just when it came out :P 400kbps speeds :P
[15:13] <td123> I bet they're like 400bps atm :P
[15:13] <sebsebseb> td123: I should have upgraded when it was on the beta really,  then  things maybe would have been a bit better.  ,but the  two main issues were KDE 4.2 buggering up.  and no sound in  Gnome.  so  nothing major.   KDE 4.2 apps still worked in Gnome.  I had the ppa in ibex before upgrading
[15:14] <sebsebseb> td123: I just tried to  upgrade another computer from  8.04 to 8.10, but  404 error messages for a few packages.   apparnatlly it's all on the same server
[15:14] <td123> yup, I still feel kde needs more polish :/ although gnome needs more exciting stuff
[15:15] <sebsebseb> td123: well  KDE3  is actsaully available for 9.04 :)
[15:15] <td123> oh, that's convenient
[15:15] <sebsebseb> td123: indeed
[15:15] <slytherin> I am out of here. Enjoy your upgrades.
[15:15] <sebsebseb> td123: there's a seperate CD it's on a rc,  a bit behind  actaul 9.04.   and  yeah can install it into  9.04,  like could with 8.04.  have KDE3 and 4
[15:20] <nztal> thank you all for your help during the course of this channel.
[15:25] <sebsebseb> nztal: it will be back, when there is something to talk about when it comes to 9.10
[15:26] <dany_21a_> sebsebseb: kde3 for 9.10 - how or where can i get this?
[15:26] <dany_21a_> *errr 9.04 i mean
[15:26] <sebsebseb> dany_21a_: indeed, but it's  currently a release candiate and a seperate CD
[15:26] <sebsebseb> dany_21a_: well you can install  it into 9.04
[15:26] <sebsebseb> dany_21a_: ,but it's  still a release candidate
[15:26] <dany_21a_> okay thx... will give it a look...
[15:26] <sebsebseb> dany_21a_: it's a little behind the proper 9.04
[15:27] <sebsebseb> dany_21a_: since only one guy has been doing it
[15:27] <sebsebseb> dany_21a_: it's great the KDE3 has been resurected for Ubuntu though.   it had died before with 8.04 being the last one that had it in repo
[15:52] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you called? :)
[15:53] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: no! just saying good bye! we're closing
[15:53] <BUGabundo> td123: i dont usually see u around!
[15:54] <gnomefreak> Irssi 0.8.12 (20071006) - http://irssi.org/
[15:58] <td123> BUGabundo: :P
[15:59] <td123> too busy optimizing a neuronet
[16:02] <Laney> nobody's kicked us all yet?
[16:02] <Laney> how boring!
[16:05]  * gnomefreak has no problem clearing the channel ;) be carefull what you wish for
[16:07] <Eruaran> I wish for chocolates... with little K's on them ;)
[16:09]  * td123 wishes for a chocolate that looks like the ubuntu logog
[16:11] <Eruaran> you know, I reckon they'd sell :)
[16:13] <td123> if you like off the color coating you get a secret terminal message inscribed in the chocolate :P
[16:13]  * td123 runs off to the patent office
[16:13] <Eruaran> hah
[16:13] <td123> oops like -> lick :D
[16:14] <Eruaran> That settles it then
[16:14] <Eruaran> We shall put in a request
[16:14] <td123> lol
[16:14] <Eruaran> Ubuntu chocolates in the Canonical shop
[16:14] <td123> Eruaran: if it gets approved, I want to get the first one free :D
[16:14] <Eruaran> :D
[16:15] <Eruaran> whats better, milk, dark or... belgian
[16:16] <ikonia> gents - check the /topic in here please
[16:16] <Eruaran> kk ;)
[16:17] <Eruaran> So will this channel re-open again when 9.10 alpha 1 appears ?
[16:18] <LjL> Eruaran: sooner than that, most likely
[16:18] <Eruaran> ok
[16:19] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, see you soon when karmic is released for development - well, maybe I'll go and see what's happening on #ubuntu for a while :)
[16:21] <td123> kklimonda: you better have a 24 " monitor to catch a glance at what's written on the screen :D
[16:56] <rww> Heh, so if I leave this channel, I can't rejoin it?
[16:58] <W8TAH> is there a release party channel anyplace?
[16:58] <rww> W8TAH: #ubuntu-release-party
[16:58] <W8TAH> thanks - congrats to the devs etc
[17:02]  * td123 is waiting for kranky koala to enter alpha 1 :D
[17:03] <manpoole> heh on the 9.04 features on ubuntu.com they have the jonas brothers listed on last.fm lol
[17:03] <Halow> Ew...
[17:10]  * td123 screams like a girl
[17:10] <td123> jk,jk
[18:07] <funkyHat> heh. bye everyone!
[18:09] <Chr|s> I wanna get kicked!
[18:09] <Chr|s> :D
[18:10] <Chr|s> when jaunty comes out #ubuntu will be the mains support channel for it then karmac will be for this one correct?
[18:11] <Pici> Chr|s: Jaunty is out
[18:11] <Chr|s> oh cool
[18:11] <Pici> Once the toolchain is released for Karmic then this channel will open, or near Alpha 1
[18:12] <Chr|s> ok thanks
[18:13] <lemonade> ok, bye
[18:14] <lemonade> see you soon ;)
[18:28] <sebsebseb> test
[18:29] <rww> sebsebseb: FAIL
[18:30] <sebsebseb> rww: no  didn't fail, just checking I could send messages here still
[18:31] <rww> sebsebseb: I know. It was a joke.
[18:31] <rww> sebsebseb: I might as well.
[18:36] <TheFunkbomb> Thank you all for the good times
[20:41] <Killeroid> hmm, is this channel still open?
[20:42] <genii> Apparently
[20:44] <Cycom> well it's not like there isn't going to be a 9.10
[20:45] <Killeroid> yeah but they usually shut tihs channel down till an alpha(I think that or a toolchain) is released for the upcoming release
[20:51] <Pici> Its already invite only.
[20:55] <tty> so is it
[20:55] <tty> over?
[20:58] <tty>  TychoQuad> My 3G modem is no longer identified by the network manager whenever I plug it in
[20:58] <tty>           in Jaunty. it sees it if it's plugged in when I boot the computer, but if i disconnect
[20:58] <tty>           it, it's lost until next boot. anyone have any ideas?
[20:58] <tty> reason enough to avoid it!
[21:04] <sebsebseb> Cycom: what's a toolchain?
[21:04] <sebsebseb> Pici: invite only?
[21:08] <rww> Killeroid: The channel's set +f, so anyone who tries to join it gets sent to #ubuntu instead. So it's closed in the sense that nobody can join.
[21:24] <oobe> im still using beta and nothing works to   update
[21:25] <sebsebseb> oobe: yeah
[21:25] <sebsebseb> oobe: I  did a  8.10,  to  alpha6, to  beta,  to rc
[21:26] <oobe> and rc wouldnt upatte
[21:26] <oobe> it thinks it is the newsest
[21:26] <sebsebseb> oobe: upgrade install. and things are still messed up here and there from alpha6,  now  I got the stop sign.  I am clean installing this   on the weekend
[21:26] <sebsebseb> oobe: probably better to clean install.  there can still be some bugs left behind from the beta, or bad config files
[21:27] <sebsebseb> oobe: are you running Ext3 or Ext4 by the way?   I am trying Ext4 when I clean install :)
[21:42] <oobe> cat /etc/lsb-release
[21:42] <oobe> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[21:42] <oobe> DISTRIB_RELEASE=9.04
[21:42] <oobe> DISTRIB_CODENAME=jaunty
[21:42] <oobe> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 9.04"
[21:42] <oobe> looks like i have juanty but i dont
[21:43] <Halow> Don't?
[21:48] <yofel_> well, back here then for karmic guys, bye!
[22:48] <nemo> hey folks
[22:48] <nemo> I was on the beta. now that release has happened.
[22:48] <nemo> do I have to do anything special to switch to it?
[22:48] <nemo> or did that happen automatically?
[22:49] <nemo> is there any way I can check?
[22:49] <jacob> nemo: if you have all updates applied, you're all set.
[22:49] <nemo> yep. all up to date
[22:49] <nemo> sweet.
[22:49] <nemo> that means the guy I put on the beta 2 weeks ago to avoid making him jump from ibex is up to date too
[22:49] <nemo> thanks
[22:50] <nemo> well. that's it I guess. see y'all.
[23:41] <badfish69> what linux kernel version does jaunty use?
[23:44] <joetheodd> badfish69, 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux