| LaserJock | jcastro: ping | 00:29 |
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| slangasek | LaserJock: yes, thanks | 00:58 |
| LaserJock | slangasek: done, thanks | 01:06 |
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| lamont | do-release-upgrade -d --mode=server | 03:52 |
| lamont | Checking for a new ubuntu release | 03:52 |
| lamont | No new release found | 03:52 |
| lamont | why does it hate me so? | 03:53 |
| wgrant | lamont: Which release? | 03:54 |
| lamont | ia64 with intrepid installed, pointed at a "reasonably current" mirror of the world | 03:56 |
| wgrant | Ah. ia64. | 03:56 |
| lamont | yeah. ports | 03:56 |
| wgrant | It should still be using the same meta-release-development, though, I would think. | 03:57 |
| lamont | well, given that they're all forced by the local proxy to the same place, and that has the same file for all of them, yeah | 03:58 |
| lamont | so it claims jaunty | 03:58 |
| lamont | supported: 0 though | 03:58 |
| wgrant | That's fine. | 03:58 |
| lamont | http://paste.ubuntu.com/156288/ | 03:59 |
| lamont | wtf. how did I get an intrepid version of that file | 04:00 |
| lamont | wgrant: a well placed rm meta-release-development fixed it. | 04:01 |
| wgrant | lamont: Hmm. It sends appropriate cache headers. | 04:02 |
| lamont | well... there's some horrific abuse in the way the local mirror is tied into it all, and it coughed up an intrepid file before I freshened it... so let's go with PEBCAK | 04:03 |
| wgrant | Right. | 04:03 |
| wgrant | That sounds convenient. | 04:03 |
| lamont | well, no way in hell _I'M gonna campaign to re-roll _anything_ at this point | 04:05 |
| geofft | do-release-upgrade really doesn't have a man page? | 04:07 |
| wgrant | geofft: I noticed that... it has a --help, though. | 04:09 |
| wgrant | It sounds like it deserves a bug report. | 04:09 |
| geofft | what's the difference between -m desktop and -m server, anyway? | 04:09 |
| wgrant | geofft: Possibly different hints. | 04:10 |
| geofft | Hm. I download the updater .tar.gz and look at DistUpgradeMain.py... | 04:15 |
| geofft | help=_("*DEPRECATED* this option will be ignore") | 04:15 |
| geofft | Is there a better way to see what extra stuff do-release-upgrade does beyond dist-upgrade, or should I continue to UTSL? | 04:26 |
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| magcius | Guys! I got multiple message support working in notify-osd! | 05:50 |
| lifeless | StevenK: hoist a brew for me at the release party | 06:16 |
| StevenK | lifeless: You can't make it? | 06:16 |
| lifeless | StevenK: I'm booked already tonight and slug is friday | 06:16 |
| StevenK | Release party is Saturday | 06:16 |
| lifeless | oh | 06:16 |
| lifeless | thats right :) | 06:16 |
| lifeless | we'll see, I have some things happening saturday, but will try | 06:16 |
| chris062689 | Is this the correct channel to go to if you need help package DEBs? | 06:19 |
| lifeless | no | 06:21 |
| chris062689 | Which channel should I go to? | 06:21 |
| lifeless | #ubuntu-motu is a good place to learn about packaging | 06:21 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:22 |
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| tjaalton | how come the -security uploads are not shown on *-changes? | 07:50 |
| soren | tjaalton: For security reasons, of course. | 08:12 |
| soren | Hahah! | 08:12 |
| * soren crawls back under his rock | 08:13 | |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:16 |
| * slangasek waves | 08:17 | |
| mdke | happy release day :) | 08:18 |
| slangasek | indeed! | 08:18 |
| tjaalton | slangasek: would you like me to edit the relnotes wiki directly, or add the wacom entry as a comment to the bug? | 08:21 |
| slangasek | tjaalton: either is fine; the latter ensures we don't have to worry about getting in the way of each other's edits | 08:22 |
| tjaalton | slangasek: ok, I'll do that then | 08:22 |
| directhex | merry releasemas! | 08:39 |
| tjaalton | asac: firefox creating huge (4GB) sparse files on NFS sound familiar to you?-) | 08:43 |
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| asac | tjaalton: not really ;) | 09:06 |
| asac | tjaalton: a sqlite db? | 09:06 |
| tjaalton | asac: formhistory.sqlite.. I was equally surprised | 09:07 |
| tjaalton | no idea how to reproduce, but some users have had that | 09:07 |
| liw | are sparse files problematic on nfs? | 09:08 |
| tjaalton | I'm not sure | 09:08 |
| tjaalton | might be an nfs boog | 09:09 |
| geofft | is this new with Jaunty or some new Firefox version? | 09:10 |
| tjaalton | geofft: no, with hardy | 09:12 |
| tjaalton | at least I believe it was | 09:13 |
| sabdfl | happy release day, all | 09:17 |
| ogra | sabdfl, to you too :) | 09:18 |
| ion_ | Congrats | 09:19 |
| pitti | hey sabdfl, and to you! | 09:23 |
| directhex | it's a sabdfl! | 09:24 |
| sabdfl | life and kicking | 09:25 |
| sabdfl | err... liVe and kicking | 09:25 |
| davmor2 | Congratulations Everybody and here's to the next release | 09:27 |
| tseliot | happy release :-) | 09:27 |
| * pitti goes to pre-review the ton of SRU | 09:34 | |
| slangasek | pitti: yay :) | 09:35 |
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| mdz | calc: that 56% is down from 63% for March | 09:39 |
| slangasek | wow, is that a percentage of new bugs or of all bugs? | 09:39 |
| ogra | we have bugs ? | 09:40 |
| directhex | debian-with-bugs! | 09:40 |
| directhex | pitti, i want an SRU for something. should i arrange for an 0ubuntu2 to be uploaded directly, or wait for karmic, sync -3 into karmic, and request that be used for the sru? | 09:41 |
| pitti | directhex: I'd advise to upload 0ubuntu1.1 as an SRU now | 09:42 |
| pitti | unless you really meant -3, and not ubuntu3 | 09:42 |
| directhex | i meant -3 | 09:42 |
| pitti | then 0ubuntu2 is okay | 09:42 |
| directhex | so "do it now" then | 09:43 |
| directhex | debdiff time! | 09:43 |
| pitti | yes, please prepare the bug for SRU, and upload to the queue | 09:43 |
| directhex | 1.0.1-0ubuntu1.1 is the correct versioning for an sru? | 09:44 |
| pitti | directhex: it's a valid one; it's not the only correct one | 09:44 |
| pitti | the main point is to avoid version clashes with karmic uploads | 09:44 |
| directhex | i'll requestsync it for karmic as soon as it opens | 09:46 |
| * tonyyarusso would like to briefly remind sabdfl, slangasek, and anyone else who may care that we are using #ubuntu-release-party again for Jaunty. Remember to have fun today! | 09:49 | |
| directhex | i still think thursday releases suffer from an inherent party-related flaw | 09:51 |
| cjwatson | Friday releases suffer from an inherent don't-release-and-then-disappear-for-the-weekend bug :-) | 09:52 |
| cjwatson | (oh, and they also tend to result in missing news cycles) | 09:52 |
| heno | and give less wiggle-room | 09:54 |
| directhex | releases full stop suffer from an inherent don't-release-then-get-drunk bug | 09:55 |
| directhex | solution: debian ;) | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | directhex: I don't know, if it took me that long to get a release out I'd want to get drunk for a long while | 09:55 |
| directhex | LaserJock, could always ban security teams from attending parties... | 09:56 |
| directhex | okay, i have a debdiff. now to do the SRU paperwork | 09:58 |
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| directhex | hm. for an SRU i can't upload myself, do i hunt for a regular motu to upload it first, or go straight for a motu-sru person to take care of the lot? | 10:14 |
| pitti | directhex: oh, I thought you were motu | 10:19 |
| pitti | directhex: subscribe motu-sru for approval | 10:19 |
| pitti | directhex: AFAIR, motu-sru wants to ack universe SRUs before upload anyway | 10:19 |
| directhex | pitti, i'm just a lowly contributor. not even formally a member of any kind yet (though i now have a handy wiki page for people to leave me glowing testimonials) | 10:21 |
| directhex | pitti, i've subscribed motu-sru, and i'll poke cody-sommerville when he wakes (spoke with him yesterday about this bug) | 10:21 |
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| Keybuk | gnargh! | 11:19 |
| Keybuk | setlocale() is not malloc()-safe | 11:19 |
| liw | hm? | 11:20 |
| wretched_dutchma | hello, | 11:26 |
| wretched_dutchma | can anyone tell me were I can suggest new programs for future ubuntu releases?? | 11:26 |
| directhex | wretched_dutchma, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages | 11:27 |
| wretched_dutchma | thank you :) | 11:27 |
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| slangasek | superm1: how much lead-time do you need for http://mythbuntu.org/9.04/release to go live? | 11:52 |
| slangasek | TheMuso, luisbg: same question, regarding getting 9.04 on http://ubuntustudio.org/downloads | 11:55 |
| Ampelbein | pitti: hi, i noticed you assigned me to bug 351017 . does that mean that there is more work to be done on the package? | 12:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 351017 in mjpegtools "[SRU] mpeg2enc crashes with SIGILL on non-p4 architectures." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351017 | 12:05 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: no, I just want every release targetted bug to have an assignee | 12:06 |
| pitti | i. e. the one in charge for the bug | 12:06 |
| Ampelbein | ah, ok. | 12:06 |
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| TheMuso | slangasek: sorry again since the website is not my area, I can't help. | 12:12 |
| * TheMuso is thinking though that he should change that for karmic. | 12:12 | |
| TheMuso | i.e get web access since nobody ever appears to be around when these things need doing. | 12:13 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: fwiw, _MMA_ tells me he's more-or-less stepping down due to work committments, so I guess that would be a good idea :) | 12:13 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: Yeah I'm well aware of that. | 12:13 |
| TheMuso | Thing is I tend to do a fair chunk of stuff as it is, that the others don't want me to take any more on, however they sometimes don't pull their own weight. | 12:13 |
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| madduck | at what time can we expect the release today? | 13:04 |
| jpds | madduck: When it's announced on ubuntu-announce. | 13:04 |
| madduck | oh how familiar that answer is :) | 13:05 |
| madduck | the reason i am asking is because i need to talk to one of your developers asap and would like to make sure I get the timing right | 13:06 |
| james_w | madduck: you need to talk to someone as soon as it's released, but not a moment before? | 13:08 |
| madduck | right | 13:09 |
| madduck | and i just wanted to get a bit of an idea when that would be | 13:09 |
| madduck | anyway, i'll just wait | 13:10 |
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| * ogra points madduck to #ubuntu-release-party ... | 13:11 | |
| ogra | will be announced there first | 13:12 |
| busfahrer | Where? | 13:12 |
| madduck | "Every time you ask if it's out yet, a unicorn loses it's horn." -- few, glad i asked the right question then. :) | 13:12 |
| ogra | lol | 13:12 |
| ogra | busfahrer, #ubuntu-release-party | 13:12 |
| busfahrer | Thanks, already in there, hehe. | 13:12 |
| madduck | good luck all | 13:13 |
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| lifeless | mvo: | 13:32 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/288797 seems unfixed | 13:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 288797 in synaptic "[Intrepid] Synaptic unusable - Can not find packages" [Medium,Fix released] | 13:32 |
| mvo | lifeless: upgrade or fresh install? | 13:33 |
| slangasek | TheMuso, luisbg: now would be a good time to make http://mythbuntu.org/9.04/release available | 13:33 |
| slangasek | TheMuso, luisbg: er, I mean http://ubuntustudio.org/downloads of course | 13:34 |
| lifeless | mvo: read the comments | 13:36 |
| lifeless | mvo: ask for more info etc:) | 13:36 |
| mvo | lifeless: sorry, I thought you were hit by the bug too | 13:36 |
| slangasek | superm1: the sooner http://mythbuntu.org/9.04/release can be made available, the better | 13:37 |
| lifeless | mvo: I am subscribed forvarious reasons :) | 13:39 |
| slangasek | NCommander: do you have access to get http://xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release updated? looks like I just missed mr_pouit, and Cody's not around AFAICS | 13:39 |
| lifeless | mvo: so I am seeing a stream of people still sayng they are hitting it | 13:39 |
| mvo | lifeless: they are hitting a different bug it seems (the fact that adding a new repository does not immediately update the index) | 13:40 |
| mvo | but I will respond in the bug | 13:40 |
| Ampelbein | pitti: i get a failed to built for powerpc for mjpegtools (351017), http://paste.ubuntu.com/156499/ . How can I get access to the config.log? | 13:40 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: you can't; you need to reproduce/debug it on a local machine | 13:47 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: perhaps because -mno-sse2 is applied on all architectures instead of just i386, and the switch doesn't exist on other arches? | 13:48 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: yeah, I think that's it | 13:49 |
| pitti | wrap it into something like | 13:49 |
| Ampelbein | pitti: that's what i suspect. but i don't have a powerpc-architecture here to test it. and since its the only change, yeah thats it. i broke another package | 13:49 |
| pitti | ifneq ($(findstring $(DEB_BUILD_ARCH), i386 lpia),) | 13:49 |
| pitti | CFLAGS+=-fno-sse2 | 13:49 |
| pitti | endif | 13:49 |
| pitti | (or whatever the flag/variable was) | 13:50 |
| c_korn | in how many hours will jaunty be released? | 13:51 |
| Ampelbein | pitti: will do that. is there a way to "simulate" another architecture with pbuilder? or perhaps with virtualbox? | 13:51 |
| ogra | c_korn, -> #ubuntu-release-party | 13:51 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: no, but you can change "i386" to "foobar" and verify that the flag isn't applied then | 13:51 |
| c_korn | ogra: thanks. I should have known that there is a channel for everything | 13:52 |
| Ampelbein | pitti: ah, yeah. cool. thanks for the help. (and sorry for breaking the package in the first try) | 13:52 |
| ogra | heh | 13:52 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: no prob | 13:52 |
| miki4242 | pitti: hi, i'm the guy who mailed you about using v4l-dvb with dkms, sorry for long silence :-) | 13:54 |
| pitti | hi miki4242 | 13:54 |
| miki4242 | had too much work going on to reply earlier | 13:54 |
| miki4242 | pitti: there were some problems regarding espeak: portaudio19 doesn't play nicely with pulseaudio. do you know what is going to happen to the release? | 13:58 |
| pitti | miki4242: you might want to talk to TheMuso about that | 13:58 |
| persia | Ampelbein, In extreme situations, it's possible to cat config.log during the build, but try other things first. | 13:59 |
| persia | (as in when it fails on a buildd, but isn't failing locally, etc.) | 13:59 |
| miki4242 | pitti: ok thanks | 13:59 |
| kirkland | seb128: howdy | 14:00 |
| seb128 | hi kirkland | 14:00 |
| kirkland | seb128: i just enabled jaunty-proposed, to help do some testing of those packages | 14:01 |
| kirkland | seb128: on dist-upgrade, i see: | 14:01 |
| kirkland | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/156509/ | 14:01 |
| kirkland | seb128: removing evolution, and such | 14:01 |
| === slangasek changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Ubuntu 9.04 released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | ||
| kirkland | seb128: the last time i saw this, it took me about a day to resume my normal access to email :-) | 14:01 |
| seb128 | kirkland: could you try to figure why? | 14:01 |
| kirkland | seb128: try to figure out why it wants to be removed? | 14:01 |
| seb128 | oh | 14:02 |
| seb128 | I know | 14:02 |
| kirkland | seb128: or why i lost a day fighting evolution? | 14:02 |
| seb128 | kirkland: non !i386? | 14:02 |
| directhex | man, jaunty's been out for AGES! why's karmic taking so long to open? boo!!!!!! :< | 14:02 |
| seb128 | kirkland: non i386 I mean | 14:02 |
| seb128 | ? | 14:02 |
| kirkland | Linux t61p 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 14:02 |
| kirkland | seb128: ^ | 14:02 |
| seb128 | right | 14:02 |
| seb128 | wait for the amd64 build to catch up for evolution-data-server | 14:02 |
| Ampelbein | persia: ok. i think pitti found the error and provided a fix, am now testing here and will reupload. | 14:02 |
| seb128 | it built on i386 so -common is available but not the amd64 binaries | 14:02 |
| kirkland | seb128: aaaahhhh | 14:02 |
| seb128 | yet another reason why I use an i386 install ;-) | 14:03 |
| kirkland | seb128: wow, that's a nasty little race in our build system | 14:03 |
| * pitti hugs slangasek, awesome work! congrats | 14:03 | |
| kirkland | seb128: so last time, i must have dist-upgraded later in the day and it found a published build | 14:03 |
| persia | kirkland, It's worse when something FTBFS for only some architectures, because then it's more than a race condition. | 14:03 |
| kirkland | seb128: and then i was working again | 14:03 |
| seb128 | kirkland: where it's really an issue is if the amd64 fails or take some days now | 14:03 |
| kirkland | persia: seb128: ack. that sucks. | 14:04 |
| slangasek | pitti: you too :) | 14:04 |
| slangasek | congrats, all! | 14:04 |
| seb128 | binaries are copied to -updates though | 14:04 |
| directhex | yay! | 14:04 |
| pitti | LOOK BEHIND! A THREE-ANTLERED JACKALOPE! | 14:04 |
| seb128 | so we don't have the issue in updates | 14:04 |
| directhex | is my cake in the mail, then? | 14:04 |
| seb128 | slangasek: congrats! | 14:04 |
| * kirkland hugs slangasek | 14:04 | |
| persia | kirkland, The alternative is one copy of arch:all binaries for each arch, which is too painful to contemplate. | 14:04 |
| Keybuk | IS KARMIC OPEN YET? | 14:04 |
| seb128 | well the bug there is also too strict depends between arch all and any binaries | 14:05 |
| persia | Keybuk, You win. | 14:05 |
| kirkland | Keybuk: oh, yeah, i'm installing it now :-) | 14:05 |
| seb128 | and apt being stupid, you can tell that to mvo ;-) | 14:05 |
| ogra | Keybuk, on its way :) | 14:05 |
| directhex | pitti, i want to help you for giving me a moment to visualize monkey island's Lemonhead as a debian developer... "and the package says 'maintained by lemonhead'... just like one of mine!" | 14:05 |
| dholbach | asac: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :-) | 14:05 |
| directhex | Keybuk, beat you to it | 14:05 |
| seb128 | TOO MANY INFORMATIONS | 14:05 |
| directhex | Keybuk, [14:02] <directhex> man, jaunty's been out for AGES! why's karmic taking so long to open? boo!!!!!! :< | 14:05 |
| seb128 | asac: happy birthday ;-) | 14:05 |
| persia | directhex, Except you didn't use ALL CAPS, so it doesn't count as a well-formed pony request. | 14:05 |
| pitti | asac: oh? happy (age++)! | 14:06 |
| directhex | persia, poot. | 14:06 |
| directhex | boo! asac gets jaunty for his birthday. i got a car accident! | 14:06 |
| ogra | asac, DUDE ! happy b-day ! | 14:06 |
| mvo | seb128: its not sutpid, just a bit ... slow thinking | 14:06 |
| mvo | (ok, it is) | 14:06 |
| pitti | directhex: plusungood | 14:06 |
| seb128 | mvo: ;-) | 14:06 |
| superm1 | slangasek, should be live now | 14:06 |
| slangasek | superm1: great, thanks | 14:06 |
| seb128 | mvo: I know, people should use "upgrade" and not "dist-upgrade" too | 14:07 |
| mvo | asac: HAPPY BDAY | 14:07 |
| ion_ | (age++) = λx→age++x | 14:07 |
| directhex | ion_, nerd! | 14:07 |
| kirkland | seb128: i wonder if update-manager is any smarter about this than apt-get ... | 14:07 |
| seb128 | kirkland: update-manager never remove an installed package so yes | 14:09 |
| seb128 | kirkland: it would just wait for the amd64 build to be available | 14:09 |
| seb128 | kirkland: and put the -common upgrade on hold | 14:09 |
| kirkland | seb128: cool, that's good to knoew | 14:12 |
| * cjwatson starts pushing karmic seeds | 14:12 | |
| kirkland | seb128: i suppose that's why i saw the issue | 14:12 |
| seb128 | right | 14:12 |
| kirkland | seb128: cheers, thanks for the help ;-) | 14:13 |
| cjwatson | NCommander,mr_pouit: please branch lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.jaunty to lp:~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.karmic | 14:14 |
| seb128 | kirkland: you're welcome, let me know if that's autofixed in one hour when the amd64 build is there | 14:14 |
| cjwatson | superm1: please branch lp:~mythbuntu/ubuntu-seeds/mythbuntu.jaunty to lp:~mythbuntu/ubuntu-seeds/mythbuntu.karmic | 14:16 |
| superm1 | cjwatson, i thought i already did, will do if not | 14:16 |
| wgrant | I find it a little odd that the feature tour recommends that I use Microsoft Office formats. | 14:17 |
| cjwatson | I didn't look :) | 14:17 |
| cjwatson | superm1: oh, so you did. queue-jumper :) | 14:17 |
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| directhex | wgrant, ? | 14:21 |
| wgrant | directhex: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/904features/web-browsing/, bottom right. | 14:22 |
| slangasek | mr_pouit: are you in a position to publish http://xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release, which still 404s? | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | james_w: please add karmic to the package importer | 14:23 |
| asac | thanks all ;) | 14:23 |
| directhex | wgrant, i think it means it in a "interop with windows weenies" kind of way | 14:25 |
| directhex | also, vista-- #randomly rebooted me mid-game as it decided to apply some updates i didn't ask it to | 14:25 |
| [reed] | so, I was surprised to see update-manager telling me fglrx isn't supported on 9.04 -- anybody know the bug # tracking that or when that may be resolved so I can actually upgrade? | 14:26 |
| directhex | [reed], ati dropped support for any cards older than $VERYNEW | 14:26 |
| mvo | [reed]: fglrx does not support r5xx cards anymore, just r6xx,r7xx | 14:26 |
| directhex | [reed], there's no fix. ever. unless ATI start doing what nvidia do, and have multiple fglrx releases at once which all support modern kernels & xservers | 14:27 |
| mvo | [reed]: there is a decent chance that the free driver works well for you, but it seems that its lacking in some areas (games), compiz should be fine | 14:27 |
| mvo | [reed]: best try that out with the livecd | 14:27 |
| slangasek | cody-somerville: hi, I can has http://xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release ? | 14:27 |
| cody-somerville | Yup. Bringing that online now | 14:27 |
| slangasek | thanks! | 14:27 |
| [reed] | so, I have an "ATI Mobility FireGL V5200" card | 14:27 |
| [reed] | I don't know what that maps to | 14:27 |
| [reed] | as far as rxxx goes | 14:28 |
| pitti | heh, www.ubuntu.com is basically dead | 14:28 |
| directhex | [reed], RV530 | 14:29 |
| [reed] | guh | 14:29 |
| [reed] | that sucks | 14:29 |
| ogra | pitti, not for me | 14:30 |
| directhex | [reed], use the Free driver, or contact ATI, or stay using intrepid or older forever, or buy a new laptop. those are the options | 14:30 |
| mvo | [reed]: little we can do unfortuantely (other than to warn about it) | 14:30 |
| directhex | [reed], sorry, but that's what happens with proprietary stuff | 14:30 |
| [reed] | well, the only reason I use it is because I have an external monitor, and fglrx seems to be the only thing that can do dual monitors correctly | 14:31 |
| mr_pouit | NCommander: cody-somerville: can you create the branch? (I'm not on my machine right now) | 14:31 |
| cody-somerville | mr_pouit, branch for what? | 14:31 |
| persia | cody-somerville, karmic seeds. | 14:32 |
| ogra | likely karmic | 14:32 |
| cody-somerville | Sure | 14:32 |
| ogra | ah persia beats me | 14:32 |
| Ampelbein | pitti: attached modified debdiff to bug 351017, i tested locally with something arbitrary and the flag did not get applied. thanks. | 14:32 |
| * persia was using a very light stick | 14:32 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 351017 in mjpegtools "[SRU] mpeg2enc crashes with SIGILL on non-p4 architectures." [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351017 | 14:32 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: can you upload yourself, or do you need a sponsor? | 14:32 |
| Ampelbein | pitti: i need a sponsor. | 14:33 |
| pitti | Ampelbein: uploaded, thanks! will process with the next batch | 14:35 |
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| doko | lamont: would you like to have GCC-4.4 as the default for hppa and ia64? | 14:58 |
| calc | mdz: oh that is good news then :) | 15:15 |
| pitti | meh, launchpad.net is slow, or is that just me? | 15:29 |
| pitti | well, I guess it's the DC connection being maxed out | 15:29 |
| gnomefreak | pitti: its launchpad | 15:30 |
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| ebroder | What's the best way to request a large-ish number of CDs for a student group I'm involved in to hand out to users? The last time we tried to order a batch of Intrepid CDs through shipit, we got 3 | 15:55 |
| ScottK | ebroder: There's a "special request" link on the shipit page that gives you a chance to explain why you need more. That's worked for me. | 15:57 |
| ebroder | Ok, I'll try that...as soon as shipit comes back up | 15:57 |
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| cumulus007 | Hi, a tour to introduce Ubuntu during installation was promised for Hardy, then it was delayed for Intrepid, and finally it would come in Jaunty | 16:55 |
| cumulus007 | however, it's not there in jaunty | 16:56 |
| cumulus007 | why is this? | 16:56 |
| persia | cumulus007, Maybe nobody wrote it yet? | 16:56 |
| ion_ | You didn’t implement it yet. :-P | 16:56 |
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| superm1 | cumulus007, you mean the ubiquity slideshow spec? | 17:00 |
| cumulus007 | yep | 17:00 |
| superm1 | cumulus007, it's been discussed at the last two UDSes, and it will be discussed again at this one I believe | 17:01 |
| superm1 | evand might know more on why it was delayed | 17:01 |
| cumulus007 | Okay, I hope this will be implemented | 17:01 |
| evand | cumulus007: it's scheduled for Karmic. We need to coordinate work between four teams, and that turns out to be quite difficult. | 17:06 |
| cumulus007 | okay, that's a pity | 17:06 |
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| azeem_ | W2 | 17:31 |
| azeem_ | bah, sorry | 17:32 |
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| Kano | hi, why is jaunty not default on packages.u? | 18:06 |
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| weather15 | Hello | 18:17 |
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| soren | Kano: Probably an oversight. However, I suspect that at this very second, Intrepid is still what most people uses, so it's not that bad :) | 18:21 |
| ScottK | Kano: Because there isn't one magic "we released, so let's update every web tool everywhere that Ubuntu uses" button. | 18:25 |
| Kano | you could write it | 18:26 |
| soren | No, we couldn't. | 18:27 |
| persia | Kano, not trivially, because people write new web tools for Ubuntu every day. | 18:28 |
| Kano | packages is old | 18:28 |
| soren | Kano: And not run by Canonical. | 18:28 |
| soren | Kano: I'm not even sure the guy running it is an Ubuntu user. | 18:28 |
| Kano | haha | 18:28 |
| ScottK | Packages.ubuntu.com and packages.debian.org are the same codebase. | 18:29 |
| geser | soren: packages.u.c is hosted on sulfur.canonical.com now | 18:29 |
| soren | geser: still on Frank's behalf, though, isn't it? | 18:30 |
| soren | I mean.. We provide the hardware, but I thought he ran it. | 18:30 |
| soren | ICBW. | 18:30 |
| ScottK | AFAIK that's true. | 18:30 |
| geser | that I don't know | 18:30 |
| calc | is there a particular reason LP is falling over | 18:31 |
| calc | it seems about 50% failure rate for me currently | 18:31 |
| ScottK | calc: It's in the same data center as the primary mirrors. It's release day. | 18:31 |
| * calc thought it was separate from the package distribution system | 18:31 | |
| calc | ScottK: so overloaded it can't even get to its backend i suppose? | 18:31 |
| ScottK | Not sure where the bottleneck is, but clearly there is one. | 18:32 |
| calc | the page itself works but operations on it pop up the oops page | 18:32 |
| ScottK | This happens every release. | 18:32 |
| * calc thinks the LP server needs a dedicated connection to its database server | 18:32 | |
| pitti | Keybuk: who's the MoM person nowadays? it needs to be flipped to Karmic, and all "updated merges" reset to "outstanding" | 18:33 |
| cjwatson | pitti: Keybuk said earlier he'd already poked MoM | 18:33 |
| pitti | ah, nice | 18:33 |
| cjwatson | he says he suspects archive.ubuntu.com hadn't quite pulsed out karmic yet | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | so it'll get round to it | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | calc: having trouble due to the load on shipit; they're aware, but it will probably also naturally subside | 18:34 |
| calc | cjwatson: ok | 18:38 |
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| trunkz | Not entirely sure as to whether this is the correct channel, but I was reading up on the mailing lists, and it sems libspe2 should be in the repo's.. but it isnt. | 18:48 |
| trunkz | Its an important ps3 component of ubuntu. | 18:48 |
| ScottK | trunkz: For discussing getting new packages in, #ubuntu-motu is a better channel. | 18:49 |
| calc | trunkz: its not there for ps3? or just not there for other arches? | 18:50 |
| trunkz | calc, doesnt seem to be for powerpc or x86 (just ran it on my intel box) | 18:50 |
| trunkz | ScottK, will have a try there :) | 18:51 |
| calc | trunkz: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libspe2/2.2.80-95-3.1ubuntu1 | 18:51 |
| calc | trunkz: it shows like it is there | 18:51 |
| trunkz | I know. | 18:51 |
| pi_m | Hi, how can I disable the new notifications? | 18:51 |
| trunkz | But its not in the repo's | 18:51 |
| trunkz | I've compiled the source from launchpad | 18:51 |
| trunkz | but it seems apt-get & dpkg dont believe that its installed.. which is another problem :p | 18:51 |
| trunkz | Trying to do it via checkinstall now, hopefully the .deb will register itself. | 18:52 |
| calc | trunkz: this isn't it? http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/libs/libspe2/libspe2-2_2.2.80-95-3.1ubuntu1_powerpc.deb | 18:52 |
| trunkz | that might be libspe2-2.. which it wont be | 18:53 |
| trunkz | i'll double check. | 18:53 |
| calc | trunkz: its built from the same libspe2 source | 18:53 |
| calc | trunkz: it looks like the sover changed | 18:53 |
| calc | trunkz: between 2.2.0 and 2.2.80 it changed name from libspe2 to libspe2-2 | 18:54 |
| trunkz | .. ahh | 18:54 |
| calc | trunkz: at least from what i can see | 18:54 |
| trunkz | do they still have the 2.2.0 debs on there? | 18:54 |
| calc | trunkz: yea... look :) | 18:55 |
| calc | not in jaunty as it is old, but its in intrepid | 18:55 |
| trunkz | ya just saw itin intrepid | 18:55 |
| trunkz | thats going to fix a heck of alot of problems if it works. | 18:55 |
| calc | trunkz: what problems are you seeing? is it just a problem with your own code linking against the wrong library name? | 18:56 |
| trunkz | spe-medialib wont recognise libspe2 :) | 18:57 |
| calc | trunkz: spe-medialib is probably an old version then or not up to date with the spe2 libary | 18:57 |
| trunkz | All this.. just to get video working properly :) | 18:57 |
| calc | trunkz: so i take it spe-medialib isn't something that is in ubuntu? | 18:58 |
| trunkz | nope. | 18:58 |
| trunkz | It should be. but it isnt :) | 18:58 |
| calc | trunkz: so just modify its source to link the correct lib and/or just recompile it and it should work | 18:59 |
| trunkz | oh hello.. seems to play nice now. | 18:59 |
| calc | you might not have to modify anything depending on how it finds the spe library when building | 18:59 |
| calc | heh | 18:59 |
| pi_m | Or can you tell me where I can find this information (how can I disable the new notifications)? | 19:00 |
| trunkz | I'll probably submit a request for static builds of spe-medialib to be included in the repo :) | 19:00 |
| ScottK | trunkz: It'll get turned down. | 19:04 |
| trunkz | I'll bribe them with cookies. | 19:04 |
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| pacejr | anyone have any speculation about the radeon driver stack in 9.10? | 19:44 |
| persia | pacejr, At this point, it's mostly an upstream thing: I doubt the decision would be taken as to what or how or any such until at least post UDS. | 19:47 |
| Kano | i hope the first new package for karmic will be vbox 2.2.x | 19:48 |
| pacejr | persia: yeah, i figured. 2.6.31 will likely be just too late for 9.10 anyways, right? | 19:49 |
| persia | I don't know. Depends on when it releases, and what the kernel team decides at UDS. | 19:50 |
| pacejr | i seem to remember they've only switched to a kernel in the middle of ubuntu's release cycle once in the past few years | 19:50 |
| persia | No, the kernel switches in the cycle at least once *every* cycle. It only switched late in the cycle once. | 19:50 |
| persia | The kernel team selects a version to target early in the cycle, and generally keeps to that choice. | 19:51 |
| LordKow | the version selection really does have a lot to do with each specific kernel release. | 19:56 |
| calc | as 2.6.30 isn't even released yet it is unlikely 2.6.31 will be in karmic | 19:56 |
| calc | 2.6.31 at the current kernel release rate would be out sometime after July (maybe August?) | 19:56 |
| LordKow | i would guess 2.6.30 in june. so.. late august. | 19:57 |
| pacejr | and i suppose the kernel team would be hesitant to patch the new radeon bits into 2.6.30? | 19:58 |
| calc | feature freeze is also late august so it will be interesting to see what they decide to go with :) | 20:00 |
| pacejr | at least fedora is guinea-pigging a lot of the new radeon stuff for us | 20:09 |
| Kano | but it was too late to fix intel onboard it seems for 9.04 | 20:10 |
| Marfi | Passing word from #ubuntu...torrent link is being buggy | 20:11 |
| Marfi | back to work. Wonderful release! | 20:12 |
| jdong | Kano: I don't see a solution for that mess until probably closer to Karmic's release timeframe. | 20:14 |
| jdong | looks to me like upstream is the one in a state of flux. | 20:14 |
| Kano | updated intel drm maybe | 20:15 |
| magcius | I've got this annoying bug in my fork of notify-osd where the message box flashes for a minute before fading in. Anybody want to help? | 20:15 |
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| ScottK | jdong: siretart was reporting significantly better performance with the current release. | 20:27 |
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| NCommander | *sigh* | 20:44 |
| NCommander | That's fun | 20:44 |
| jdong | ScottK: performance isn't my issue; stability is my biggest concern currently | 20:47 |
| jdong | ScottK: EXA doesn't work anymore since Jaunty, UXA hardlocks every few hours and dies on resume | 20:48 |
| ScottK | jdong: I see. For UXA, I agree. | 20:48 |
| LaserJock | jdong: talking about -intel | 20:48 |
| LaserJock | ? | 20:48 |
| ScottK | EXA works here, just is slow. | 20:48 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: Yea | 20:48 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'm really buggered by it still | 20:49 |
| ScottK | EXA + Greedy works reasonably well here. | 20:49 |
| LaserJock | I have to turn off compositing or my GPU freezes within a few minutes | 20:49 |
| NCommander | pitti, is there any chance we can setup a SPARC retracer? (I'm currently actively debugging issues on SPARC< and it would be handy) | 20:49 |
| jdong | EXA for me deadlocks in some GEM call when Compiz tries to start. | 20:49 |
| jdong | it's a bug that I can produce in every modern-ish distro past Intrepid | 20:49 |
| ScottK | jdong: Which Intel do you have? | 20:52 |
| ScottK | jdong: Any chance you could give backports approval some love. I'm sure it needs it. | 20:52 |
| jdong | ScottK: GMA950 in a old generation Macbook | 20:52 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 20:52 |
| jdong | and Backports is on my TODO list which is getting shoved to the weekend.... courses are really killing me right now | 20:53 |
| persia | NCommander, You can run apport-retrace locally. | 20:56 |
| NCommander | persia, link to documentation? | 20:56 |
| * NCommander suspects he needs the debug libraries installed :-/ | 20:57 | |
| persia | man apport-retrace | 20:57 |
| YokoZar | hmm the release notes page still refers to Ubuntu 9.04 beta (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview) | 20:58 |
| persia | YokoZar, IF it's not already filed, file a bug against ubuntu-website. | 20:59 |
| cody-somerville | where did gtk-displayconfig go? | 21:00 |
| YokoZar | persia: done. didn't realize we had a website project in launchpad, makes sense | 21:03 |
| magcius | Sorry... Ubuntu packaging n00b here... how do you use CDBS with automake? | 21:05 |
| persia | magcius, Better to ask in #ubutu-motu (and there's a couple files you can include, but how many to include depends on what you want to do). | 21:07 |
| ScottK | magcius: Packaging questions are better in #ubuntu-motu | 21:07 |
| siretart | jdong: ScottK's right. I'm currently running jaunty with 2.6.30-rc2 and intel 2.7.0 release (karmic ships 2.6.3) and EXA acceleration. | 21:28 |
| ScottK | kees: The last upload to the release pocket was your sepolgen upload. | 21:30 |
| NCommander | jdong, ping? | 21:55 |
| kees | ScottK: \o/ :) | 22:39 |
| joaopinto | my system hanged on a "Checkign initramfs for custom DSDT" after a crash, the only bug I found for the same message is bug 58386, but is rather old | 22:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 58386 in linux "ACPI: Looking for DSDT ... not found! (message during boot)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58386 | 22:45 |
| joaopinto | any ideas ? | 22:45 |
| ScottK | joaopinto: File a new bug. | 22:46 |
| joaopinto | hum, shut it down for some more minutes and booted fine now | 22:46 |
| joaopinto | not sure i'll be able to reproduce | 22:46 |
| joaopinto | I have left my laptop for 10 minutes, and then found it shutdown, with the caps lock blinking | 22:46 |
| joaopinto | grr, now the wifi is also working | 22:48 |
| magcius | Would it make sense for Ubuntu to do the Select Best Server thing before a dist-upgrade? | 22:49 |
| magcius | I think that's a reasonable request. | 22:49 |
| alex-weej | anyone offer an explanation as to why "outline" is the default mode in compiz? | 22:56 |
| alex-weej | resizing used to be slow | 22:56 |
| alex-weej | but it isn't anymore | 22:56 |
| alex-weej | i can cook up a config patch debdiff if it's worth it | 22:56 |
| mrooney | pitti: around by any chance? | 23:12 |
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