=== thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === eeejay is now known as eeejay_afk === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === mrpouit is now known as mr_pouit === eeejay_afk is now known as eeejay === Keybuk_ is now known as Keybuk === ember_ is now known as ember === mrpouit is now known as mr_pouit [15:03] Who's here for the Java Team meeting? [15:04] o/ [15:05] OK. First up, congrats everyone on the work during the Jaunty cycle. [15:07] \o/ [15:07] Next up: agenda at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting [15:07] Nothing special [15:10] Roadmap: [15:10] robilad isn't here. slytherin isn't here. [15:10] I failed to kill Sun Java 5 :( [15:10] I'll try again next cycle. [15:10] it can run but it cannot hide. [15:11] ttx, Any updates on Contents? Based on your blog post, I wonder if that's complete. [15:11] yes, it's complete. I will plug it in a packaging training session sometime in May, but otherwise it's done [15:13] OK. We'll leave it on the roadmap until then. [15:14] Attracting new Java packagers? [15:14] I will (try to) to a packaging session sometime in May, hopefully it will demystify the whole thing [15:14] s/to a/do a/ [15:15] Makes sense. [15:15] ludovicc is not here [15:15] OK. Anyone have anything else to add? [15:16] OK. [15:17] I'll be adding "Specs" to the agenda for next week. If anyone is planning to put together a Java-related spec, please bring it to the meeting. [15:17] See you next Thursday [15:17] yes, good point [15:17] unfortunately I won't be here next week [15:18] I already have a blueprint about eucalyptus-javadeps refactoring: [15:18] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-karmic-euca-javadeps-refactoring [15:18] that's my only java-related spec atm [15:20] Well, we'll probably want to postpone that until the first meeting in May then. [15:20] Maybe some other people will raise some as well. [15:22] your call. Just plug mine in the discussion if I am not around :) [15:22] OK :) === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === MTeck is now known as MTecknology [17:59] hello everybody [17:59] geser, nixternal, soren, jpds, nhandler, persia: who of you is around? [18:00] ember, statik, bdrung, imbrandon: are you guys around? [18:00] hi dholbach [18:00] * ember waves [18:00] dholbach: yes :) [18:00] heya dholbach [18:00] * persia is about [18:01] sorry bandwidth is a bit low, seeding some release torrents :) [18:01] so i may lag a tiny bit [18:01] hehe :) [18:02] I'll also admit to not expecting to make this meeting, and not having reviewed people as in-depth as I'd like. [18:02] geser, soren, nixternal? [18:02] * dholbach thinks that nhandler is probably not going to be around and jpds en route to a release party [18:03] nixternal: should be around unless he is already drinking :) [18:03] That doesn't preclude him being around. [18:03] but its only noon in our timezone so i doubt he is *yet* [18:03] lol ScottK :) === edson is now known as ecanto [18:04] * soren is here. [18:04] * geser is here [18:04] ah awesome! [18:04] on a side note i get my new ( freelance ) office today [18:04] OK. That's four of us. [18:04] perfect [18:04] #startmeeting [18:04] Meeting started at 12:04. The chair is dholbach. [18:04] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:05] [TOPIC] Pedro Fragoso [18:05] New Topic: Pedro Fragoso [18:05] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PedroFragoso [18:05] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PedroFragoso [18:05] ember: how are you doing? [18:05] good ! [18:05] bit nervous :p [18:05] yo yo [18:05] ember: don't worry :) [18:06] ember: so how's life in Ubuntu Desktop land? how did the last GNOME releases go into Ubuntu? anything problematic? [18:06] the life is ubuntu desktop is awesome [18:07] this 2.26.x looks quite stable [18:07] wait till dholbach gets out his bbq sauce :) [18:07] geser: errr, huh? :-) [18:07] and Desktop Team is already doing some SRU's to polish missing bugs [18:07] re "don't worry" (was a little bit late) [18:08] lol [18:08] ember: oh nice... you guys are unstoppable :) [18:08] ember: is there any specific applications on the desktop that you like best to look after? [18:08] ember: also in terms of bug reports? [18:08] there are still some gnome-panel issues in 2.26 when changing screen resolution [18:09] dholbach: as you notice i'm usually taking care of brasero sound-juicer gnome-themes gtk2-engines [18:09] and know hamster-applet [18:09] *now [18:09] pace_t_zulu: best to speak to the folks in #ubuntu-desktop about that :) [18:09] and tomboy! [18:09] ember, Many of the testimonials on your wiki page talk about rushing. How do you plan to address that perception? === ecanto is now known as edson [18:09] will do... i have written my own workaround for it for the time being [18:09] but i'd like to land a fix for Karmic [18:09] persia: i had that problem in the beginning [18:10] pace_t_zulu: we're in a meeting right now, which is why I suggested it :-) [18:10] and the rush resulted in some missing test builds and etc [18:10] noawadays i focus on some packages or on packages the desktop needs help [18:10] and improved my testing and interaction with the desktop team [18:10] dholbach: apologies, I saw someone ask about ubuntu desktop... i thought i'd bring up a user experience issue [18:10] ember: and for those packages, how is your contact with the upstream people? [18:11] pace_t_zulu: no worries :) [18:11] ember: Right. It's just that it's mentioned by several people in your application, so while I suspect you've improved massively, what do you plan to do to ensure these issues stay gone when there is nobody reviewing your work? [18:11] dholbach: is pretty good actually [18:12] brasero upstream have one portuguese so its easy for me [18:12] hamster-applet are really nice guys too [18:13] persia: i've improved a lot actually, in jaunty the only FTFBS i had was a missing bzr add of a patch to fix FTBFS [18:13] i'm using a lot of vm, chroots, a testing lap, piuparts etc [18:14] ember. I'm confident of your improvement: I'm just wondering about your strategy for testing prior to upload (in some detail). [18:15] persia: right now before requesting for sponsoring i'm using pbuilder on my main desktop, dpkg-build on a clean install, piuparts [18:15] a installation on a clean install on a old lap [18:15] ember: I had that same problem when I first got started, the "rushing", and let me just say, you aren't the only one that has had it, I am witnessing a lot of people now doing it as well..it is tough to overcome, however your last statement about using the vm, chroots, *a testing laptop*, and piuparts is exactly the remedy...i prefer real hardware over vm, but vm works just as well [18:16] geser, soren: do you have any questions for ember? [18:16] ember, Indeed. That does sound like a comprehensive testing regimen :) [18:16] persia: its a MUST! [18:16] no questions [18:17] from me [18:17] persia, nixternal: anything more from you? [18:17] ember, Also, we typically ask applicants to specify something the don't like about Ubuntu: in part this is to identify things that need fixing, and in part this is to provide some idea of where someone is motivated to tackle a larger issue. [18:17] nixternal: yeah i sure prefer hardware over vm [18:17] ember: with that said, there are also times where you might feel a bit rushed..what I do when that happens to me, is ask for some help...I was rushed with the last kubuntu-docs package, luckily for me it turned out good kind of :) [18:17] As it's not in your app, would you mind sharing now? [18:18] persia: good catch, I would like to know as well [18:18] persia: the only thing i think it's need fixing [18:18] it's about claiming updates on the desktop-team [18:18] i think huats or didrocks already mention that [18:18] Could you explain the problem, and how you think it could be addressed? [18:19] well when i first started to update package we used a wiki page [18:19] but when new contributors started to appear that become quite problematic [18:19] i think i know exactly what he is talking about...it is both good and bad [18:19] yup [18:19] so we started claiming on the irc channel [18:20] which sometimes and to new contributors isn't working [18:20] norsetto tried to fix the problem creating a webpage to address this [18:20] ember: how did the webpage work out? [18:21] http://norsetto.890m.com/desktop_packages.php [18:21] LINK received: http://norsetto.890m.com/desktop_packages.php [18:21] it seemed to have worked for the Kubuntu crowd in Jaunty this go round, but I don't think Kubuntu has that large of a problem when compared to Ubuntu Desktop [18:21] nixternal: it's didn't work [18:21] ya, that problem is a tough one to fix [18:21] we kinda need a system to people claim updates [18:21] and also check the previous upload or people who usually uploads [18:22] and also if the package is in sync with Debian [18:22] right, like if Merge-O-Matic was a bit more interractive, that might help? [18:22] nixternal: that would help too [18:22] ember, OK. How do you think the problem should be solved, and what do you plan to do to assist with that solution? [18:22] i think huats and didrocks along with seb are going to discuss this in UDS [18:23] I know there were packages that I needed to fix, but somebody grabbed them and updated before I could touch them upstream or in Debian....so I totally understand the problem [18:23] persia: i think we can improve the webpage in that direction [18:24] and i plan to assist in every way i can, i'm going to use it too. [18:25] no questions from me... soren, nixternal, persia? [18:25] nixternal: we usually have some package we really don't touch, only sync [18:25] right, I am good dholbach [18:25] No, I'm happy :) [18:26] ember, One last question: you say you plan to help with the sponsoring queue: what makes a good submission? [18:26] the problem that ember stated, might be something for the greater development community to discuss, as I have witnessed it now for a while with no simple fix unfortunately [18:27] nixternal, Agreed. If there's not a UDS discussion, it's probably worth taking to ubuntu-devel@ (and if there is, leveraging that discussion widely) [18:27] persia: i plan to started working on sponsoring, mainly on updates/or patchs that fix a bug [18:27] I did sponsor one upload from ember and it was good (hamster-applet, I think). [18:27] and share the knowledge [18:28] heh, already updates on release day :) [18:28] ScottK: yes you uploaded hamster-applet with code from upstream to use notifications [18:28] ember, I understand that: I'm just wondering if you can describe what makes a patch in good shape to be sponsored? [18:28] nixternal: always :) [18:29] persia: the version correct, the diff well formed, the changelog good [18:30] if have patches to have it documented if is from upstream or someplace else [18:30] if it builds & installs & runs [18:30] Anything else? [18:31] it quite depends, if it something we want to send it to Debian we should tell [18:32] OK. How about in terms of the specific code changes? [18:33] persia: that depends to, if it's something we contributor can maintain [18:33] and if its good send it to upstream too. [18:33] *s/we/the [18:34] but there are some cases we should first try upstream to see if its get accepted [18:34] in case of a large code change [18:34] OK. The part I'm not seeing you say is "The patch fixes an issue in a way that is sensible, and doesn't cause a regression in basic testing". [18:35] persia: yes that too [18:35] * persia is done with questions [18:35] ok [18:35] there are some cases in the Desktop we tend to try it first in upstream then applying the patch on Ubuntu [18:35] \o/ [18:35] ;p [18:35] [VOTE] Shall Pedro Fragoso become a MOTU? [18:35] Please vote on: Shall Pedro Fragoso become a MOTU?. [18:35] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [18:35] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from soren. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [18:36] +1 [18:36] +1 received from persia. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [18:36] #endvote [18:37] [endvote] [18:37] Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 [18:37] congrats and welcome ember!!! [18:37] gratz ember [18:37] congratulations ember! [18:37] thanks folks! [18:37] * soren hugs ember [18:37] * ember hugs dholbach! [18:37] * nixternal hugs everyone [18:37] * ember hugs everyone. [18:37] who's going to do the honours later on? [18:37] * dholbach hugs ember back [18:37] not me, I can't connect to LP :P [18:37] ember: congrats and looks like you survived it in one piece :) [18:38] ok... let's decide that later on [18:38] [TOPIC] Elliot Murphy [18:38] New Topic: Elliot Murphy [18:38] The honours are likely going to have to wait until tomorrow, given the traffic in #launchpad. [18:38] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ElliotMurphy/UniverseContributorApplication [18:38] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ElliotMurphy/UniverseContributorApplication [18:38] we need to make the membership stuff more stressful, make um sweat a bit, maybe shead a tear? ;p [18:38] statik: how are you doing? [18:38] hello hello [18:38] geser: much easier than when i did my initial MOTU infront of sabdfl and the TB :) [18:38] imbrandon: ditto [18:39] dholbach: doing great, relaxing in the sun and wishing launchpad was working better at the moment :) [18:39] statik: hehe... I guess you're not the only one :) [18:39] statik: do you have any immediate plans for the karmic release? [18:40] dholbach: i sure do. i want to get couchdb updated, and i'm currently working on packaging a bunch of libraries that are needed before I can package windmill, the automated website testing tool [18:40] dholbach: also working on ubuntu one, which should be actually available in beta at UDS [18:41] statik: nice - I'm sure there's going to be a lot of interest :) [18:42] dholbach: i also have a special interest in looking after google protocol buffers and general interest in erlang packages [18:42] although the only erlang packages i'm currently using are rabbitmq and couchdb, so those are the main erlang related ones i'm watching [18:43] statik: you've been working a bit on packaging stuff now, what was your Ubuntu development and packaging experience like? [18:43] dholbach: it's a bit like programming in a pile of shell scripts and various tools with random incoherent syntax [18:43] statik: so it was rather unpleasant? :) [18:44] dholbach: the people and community are great, but it's a bit of shock to the system compared to programming in python or C [18:44] ok, I see what you mean now [18:44] dholbach: i'm watching vcs-package efforts with great interest [18:44] geser, soren, persia, nixternal: do you have any questions already? [18:44] dholbach: and the bzr branches for packages should help quite a lot [18:44] statik: yes, I think so too [18:45] dholbach: Not really, no. [18:45] ya, nothing here really [18:45] statik: any reason why you have so few sponsored uploads? [18:46] statik, For application to the Contributing Developers group, the primary criteria are significant and sustained contributions within the development team. As you mention in your application, there are only a small number of uploads for which launchpad has given you credit. Could you talk about some of the other work you've done within the Ubuntu development community that would qualify as significant? [18:46] (I'm guessing there are contributions as branches for which someone else had Changed-By or other similar cases) [18:47] persia: no, i've got very few uploads so far [18:47] persia: i did 3 new python packages last week, those are in revu now [18:47] nixternal: ^ django-openid-auth - nudge nudge [18:48] persia: a main reason of having so few so far is my spending all my time working on unreleased software at canonical [18:48] persia: so, i'm doing quite a lot to get more software released by canonical. I also gave a lot of coaching to the guys working on the rabbitmq-server package for jaunty [18:48] statik, I can certainly understand that, but I'm not sure it's measurably different from engagement anywhere else. [18:49] persia: so, this doesn't change the fact that i have few uploads. [18:49] So there isn't a huge set of work you've done that LP just isn't crediting you for? [18:49] persia: lets say no [18:51] geser, persia: do you have any more questions? [18:51] * persia is done. [18:51] no questions left [18:51] [VOTE] Shall Elliot Murphy become Contributing Developer? [18:51] Please vote on: Shall Elliot Murphy become Contributing Developer?. [18:51] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [18:51] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [18:53] +1 [18:53] +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [18:54] +0 - I'm sort of undecided, the work I've seen is fantastic and very encouraging, I just feel that you'd benefit from a bit more time in the team [18:54] Abstention received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 [18:54] I'm -1 for now. I think the work to date is great, but would like to see either more work, or more documented involvement with the developer team supporting others. [18:54] sure [18:54] Err. Mootbot syntax [18:54] statik: I hope you're not disappointed or discouraged now [18:54] -1 [18:54] -1 received from persia. 1 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0 [18:54] +0 [18:55] Abstention received from soren. 1 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0 [18:55] -1 [18:55] -1 received from geser. 1 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -1 [18:55] dholbach: not at all [18:55] [endvote] [18:55] Final result is 1 for, 2 against. 2 abstained. Total: -1 [18:55] * dholbach hugs statik [18:55] nhandler, Great to see you. [18:55] thanks everyone :) [18:55] thanks a bunch for attending and for all the great work you've done! [18:55] statik: I'm with persia, I think. I think the work you've done is great, but there's still a bit to be done before I think it qualifies as sustained contribution. [18:55] persia: I got home early today ;) [18:55] [TOPIC] Benjamin Drung [18:55] statik, I'm certain you're on the right path, and after a bit of work with the folks in #ubuntu-motu learning some of the stuff you say you want to learn, you'll be back and successful. [18:55] New Topic: Benjamin Drung [18:56] * imbrandon needs to head out semi soon [18:56] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BenjaminDrung/UniverseContributorApplication [18:56] statik: more sponsored uploads, more feedback (should be easy with more uploads) and you will pass the next time [18:56] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BenjaminDrung/UniverseContributorApplication [18:56] hey bdrung - how are you doing? [18:56] dholbach: good [18:56] So, imbrandon has to head out soon, and was scheduled for the last meeting. Would it be possible to switch order? [18:56] bdrung, Would that work for you? [18:57] persia: yes [18:57] ok [18:57] great , thanks bdrung [18:57] bdrung, Thanks for your flexibility. [18:57] [TOPIC] Brandon Holtsclaw [18:57] New Topic: Brandon Holtsclaw [18:57] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-April/002087.html [18:57] LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-April/002087.html [18:58] imbrandon, So, you've been away a while: what have you done to catch up on the changes? [18:58] -400 [18:58] nixternal, vote early, vote often only works in Chicago. [18:58] now i havent updated my wiki since Dapper, but most of you should be familiar with me and i'll be happy to field the q's :) [18:58] persia: hold on, let me go drudge up some dead people to help vote! [18:58] persia: mostly kept up on the mailing list ( u-d-d and u-d-a ) [18:58] imbrandon: who are you? I am unfamiliar with you? [18:58] ALOT of reading on new policys / changes [18:59] imbrandon, So, what do you think changed the most? [18:59] and just general "catching up" [18:59] persia: more fomality [18:59] ( not a bad thing ) [18:59] but alot more struct than what i was accustomed to but not against :) [19:00] imbrandon: when, roughly, was the time you got too busy with other stuff? [19:00] basicly alot of the best practices got codified [19:00] dholbach: about the begning og gutsy [19:00] of* [19:00] imbrandon: do you have any plans for your MOTU membership already? [19:01] i'm esp intrested in the mono(apache and cli) packages ( some in main , but thats later ) [19:01] Sorry guys, I have to run :/ [19:01] and naturally universe SRU and SWAT stuff [19:01] imbrandon: What have you been doing to try and catch up on what you have missed? [19:01] soren: we have nhandler for you now, so we should be all set - take care! [19:01] ( i loved doing those updates ) [19:02] nixternal, geser, nhandler: any questions from you? [19:03] dholbach: ^^^ [19:03] I am curious as to what imbrandon found most useful in catching up on everything he missed [19:03] ahh missed your nhandler, umm its kinda what dholbach asked, mostly catching up the last month or so on the mailing lists and looking over the policy changes [19:03] i.e. wiki pages, old mailing lists messages, talking with other developers on IRC, etc [19:03] imbrandon: so you're trying to become MOTU again for now or do you have plans to become core-dev again too? [19:04] Ok, I missed the mailing list part imbrandon [19:04] yes, i've kept my sub to all mailing lists and tried to stay acive on them [19:04] atleaste reading wise [19:04] :) [19:04] imbrandon: planning on working on Kubuntu stuff again, or have you gone over to the dark side? [19:05] hahahaha well i've been on the darkside since KDE 3.5 was expunged, but i still have it on my spare laptop and plan on working on it ( notifications and such to unify gnome/kde ) but actual use i'll likely stick with gnome for atleaste this cycle [19:05] ScottK: ^^ enemy! [19:05] :) [19:06] * dholbach has no more questions. :-) [19:06] nixternal: Nope. He lives in KC, so not my enemy. [19:06] hrmm [19:06] ScottK: good bbq :) [19:06] no more q's from me [19:06] I'm good [19:06] KC != good bbq [19:07] ;p [19:07] nixternal: That's one theory. [19:07] persia, geser: anything more from you? [19:07] no [19:07] It's too cold in Chicago for that to be a good place to form an opinion. [19:07] imbrandon, When you left, it was somewhat precipitously, and there were some concerns that some of the stuff you had been doing was dropped without appropriate cover. Do you feel this was incorrect, or if you feel it was correct, do you have plans to ensure it is not repeated? [19:07] ScottK: We are getting 80 degree temperatures tomorrow [19:07] * nixternal is going bike riding in it too [19:08] persia: definaly incorrect, and since i've learned to live by the "bus rule" ( more to come .... ) [19:08] the "bus rule" is make sure you are not the only one that knows some bit of info or has access, so if you are hit by a bus ( or in my case a divorce ) its not "as bad" [19:09] haha... I didn't know it as the "bus rule" [19:09] either did I [19:09] :P [19:09] * nixternal has to remember that [19:09] Well, that's excellent news on two counts (incorrect, and "bus rule"), and unfortunate on the third: I hope all is well for you now. [19:09] persia: everything from you? [19:09] Yes. [19:09] persia: thanks :) [19:10] [VOTE] Shall Brandon Holtsclaw re-join the MOTU team? [19:10] Please vote on: Shall Brandon Holtsclaw re-join the MOTU team?. [19:10] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [19:10] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [19:10] +1 [19:10] +1 received from persia. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [19:10] +1 [19:10] +1 [19:10] +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [19:10] +1 received from dholbach. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [19:10] +1 [19:10] +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [19:10] +1 [19:10] +1 received from nhandler. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [19:10] [endvote] [19:10] Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 [19:10] -1 [19:10] ;p [19:10] welcome back imbrandon! [19:10] nixternal: that was to be expected :) [19:10] bah, I guess welcome back [19:10] * dholbach hugs imbrandon [19:10] * nixternal hugs everyone [19:10] [TOPIC] Benjamin Drung [19:10] New Topic: Benjamin Drung [19:10] great , thanks fella's ( and ladies if any are looking ) [19:10] bdrung: still awake? :) [19:10] ok must run, seee everyone soon [19:11] Have a good day imbrandon [19:11] if they are looking, it isn't at you, now movealong, nothing more to see ;p [19:11] dholbach: as you can see [19:11] :-) [19:11] bdrung: what kind of packages do you like looking after? do you have any concrete plans for karmic already? [19:12] dholbach: xmms2 and it clients (today was version 0.6 released) [19:12] dholbach: getting gnome-colors and shiki-colors into karmic [19:12] bdrung: Any plans on joining the mozilla team? [19:13] bdrung: your wiki page says something about eclipse... there's little you're afraid of, right? :) [19:13] bdrung: more seriously, do you have some experience with java and java packages already? [19:13] * nixternal found someone who has already pacakged eclipse 3.4.2 for Debian btw [19:13] dholbach: i have experience with java programming, but not with ant. [19:13] Ant FTW! [19:13] bdrung: Ant is so easy and fun [19:14] * nixternal closes his mouth before he in the world of Java hell [19:14] nixternal: Please sponsor it when Karmic opens. [19:14] dholbach: eclipse is very big and ugly and i need more time to dive into ant and the package. [19:14] ScottK: ant? [19:15] bdrung: yeah, I can imagine [19:15] Eclipse [19:15] ahh, I will help sponsor sure [19:15] bdrung: Care to answer my qeustion about the mozilla team? I saw in your wiki that you had worked on a few extensions with asac [19:15] nhandler: i have no plans th join mozilla team. i care for pwdhash and currently i touched adblock-plus. [19:15] I think for Ant, I have the last upload as well as the upstream patch to fix Ant...my first contrib to the Apache product, which for some reason I am extremely proud of [19:15] bdrung: So the extensions were more of a one time thing? [19:15] nhandler: i also want to package htmlvalidator. [19:16] nhandler: yes, it think so. but if i have time to i might touch more firefox extensions [19:16] bdrung: What route are you going to go to get htmlvalidator into the Ubuntu repositories? [19:17] firefox extensions? as in firefox addons? [19:17] Are you going to go through REVU? Or are you going to go through Debian and request a sync? [19:17] nhandler: through debian. [19:17] Yes nixternal [19:18] i never understood the reasoning to packaging addons when they are so easy to obtain already [19:18] bdrung: Very nice. Any reason that you did not get pwdhash uploaded in Debian? [19:18]