[00:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/362352 [00:00] Launchpad bug 362352 in thunderbird "package thunderbird 2.0.0.21+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1 failed to install/upgrade: files list file for package `xulrunner-1.9' contains empty filename" [Undecided,Incomplete] [00:00] am i tired or is the problem hard to identify ;) [00:00] i mean understanding his problem ;) [00:01] directhex: the one in the test page is similar [00:01] asac, i know, but i DEFINITELY got the ubufox window with my version [00:01] ah you do some data [00:01] i'll take a screenshot for posterity! [00:11] Hey all, a couple things I wanted to bring up [00:12] asac, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox-2/miscellanous-junk/?pid=220#picture_nav [00:12] In Jaunty w/Firefox 3.0.8, I was having major issues on Facebook when Adblock Plus was installed (even when completely deactivated). I couldn't do anything on FB - comment, see many pictures, etc... it wasn't until I completely removed Adblock that things actually started working again (even though, as I said, it was disabled) [00:13] Second thing, is there a way to remove the authentication from a closed tab so, say, someone can't come up to my browser instance and go history -> recently closed tabs, and re-open my, say, authenticated firewall config page? [00:23] directhex: yeah. thats how its supposed to work [00:23] Lns: have you tried a different adblock version? [00:24] asac: nope just tried the latest one from mozilla addons [00:24] asac, and DOES work! barring the whole "everyone on the internet uses plugin detection" issue [00:24] asac: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865 i believe (not on the same system but i'm sure this is it) [00:25] Lns: removing authentication from the tab is difficult ... especially if its session cookies. i dont think there is such a feature. guess you should close app (remember tabs) and start it to get that effect [00:25] oh another thing I noticed (in jaunty) when i install the adobe flash plugin, it doesn't ask me to restart, and when i re-visit the flash page it prompts me to install the plugin again. [00:25] Lns: its a bug that it prompts you again [00:25] it used to work without restart [00:25] asac: rgr [00:25] but something broke that [00:25] i haven't tracked that down [00:26] yet [00:26] no worries just thought i'd throw it out there =) [00:26] its known ;) [00:26] a bunch of bugs about that [00:26] cool...yeah the one that worried me the most was the closed tabs thing [00:26] its kind of an interesting idea [00:26] i can see both sides of the issue..but i'd have to think that most people would assume when the tab is closed your session w/the site is also closed [00:27] just like if yo uclose the browser window itself [00:27] maybe a feature that allows you to invalidate session cookies for current tab/page might exist in form of some extension [00:28] Lns: i know, but its difficult.maybe user has more tabs open from same site and so on [00:28] asac: there's no way for FF to know that the tab being closed is the last one from the site open, and therefore closes the session cookie? [00:28] i know i'm probably greatly trivializing it [00:30] maybe a 'treat tabs as windows' option or something [00:30] although i'm not sure if it's the case if you have multiple windows vs tabs [00:31] Lns: well. figuring out if its the last one is probably still doable. but the UI is not easy. [00:31] you do not want to do that by default it think [00:31] so either you make it upon request [00:31] or you have a pref the user can change for all sites [00:31] or you make that only for certain sites [00:32] like bank/launchpad/mozilla [00:32] why not do it by default? I'd think that's the more secure way [00:32] but also more annoying [00:32] some sites dont need that much security ;) [00:33] really? I mean, I'm just talking for myself but when i close a tab i'm pretty much done with it [00:33] but if you visit the site like 20 times a day and still close the page in between? [00:33] i would expect to have to log in again if i went back...it surprised me that it didn't [00:33] why not keep the tab open in those cases? :) [00:34] if you do like 300 things in a day [00:34] its easier to open what you need on demand [00:34] well that's a poweruser there [00:34] than searching for the tab you already have opened ;) [00:34] that would, i think, mandate some manual config to relax the security [00:34] depends how you define powerusers [00:34] a lot of users use the webbrowser all day [00:34] as i do, with at least 3-7 tabs open at all times [00:35] Lns: as i said its an interesting idea [00:35] just thought i'd throw it out there =) [00:35] thanks for listening ;) [00:36] i would think that was already discussed though. but we will see [00:36] i'd think so too [00:38] mozillla bug 307220 [00:38] Launchpad bug 307220 in tkgate "Error when tkgate starts simulator " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307220 [00:38] mozillla bug 272030 [00:38] Launchpad bug 272030 in libass "please don't install ./usr/lib/libass.la" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272030 [00:39] Lns: ^^ [00:39] oops [00:39] thats wrong ;) [00:39] hehe [00:39] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117222 [00:39] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210466 [00:39] Mozilla bug 117222 in Networking: Cookies "Limit Scope of Session Cookies (new tabs and windows)" [Enhancement,Assigned] [00:39] Mozilla bug 210466 in UI Design "Cookie Manager does not respond to Ctrl+W "close window"" [Trivial,New] [00:40] last bug is differnet as it seems ;) [00:40] yeah those are a bit different, though related [00:41] so there's no way to force a second browser instance? [00:42] i guess that's why you get a "firefox is already running" ;) [00:42] which is kinda a pita when you close and rapidly re-open it [00:42] before it's done dying [00:43] to some degree thats te reason for that already running thing [00:44] the real reason is that it checks for X window to see if it needs to start a new process or send a command to an already running one [00:44] so if you start them quickly both will not see that window [00:44] and think: lets start a full new firefox [00:44] then the firefox process loosing the race fails wit hthat alert [00:46] yeah [00:46] too bad there's no easy way to do File -> New -> Session Window [00:47] I guess that's more along the lines of that bug thou [00:49] Oh well, back to work =) [00:51] i am off [00:52] bye asac [00:52] asac: yes. we know. ;-) [00:52] happy release party [00:53] asac: a little bit off, not to much that we will avoid you... :-) [02:03] 2am... guess I'm hitting the pillow! good release party everyone [08:49] asac, does ubufox have any greasemonkeyish ability to tweak a single web page? [09:20] directhex: no ;) ... thats what greasemonkey is for [09:22] asac, hm, i was wondering whether it'd work as a nice filthy hack for triggering the plugin finder [09:28] directhex: hmm [09:29] directhex: if you have an example greasescript that would detect that flash detection kit that would be indeed a great thing [09:30] asac, it doesn't need to be that complex really - every single "install silverlight" button on the internest ends up in the same place - http://go-mono.com/moonlight. so all you need to do is sniff the url [09:30] or i could smile sweetly at upstream to hax their page & detect jaunty [09:31] directhex: you mean fixigin Silverlight.js ? [09:32] asac, well, i mean just a hack for that one page to insert a 1 pixel SL control if jaunty is detected, regardless of silverlight.js [09:34] directhex: ah. ok. would be good, but finding such a grease script would be better ;) [09:35] asac, well, it's easy for silverlight - because Silverlight.js is pretty much the only detector in wide use, you just check to see if any of its methods are defined [09:36] directhex: if you could come up with a prototype that adds a "