[00:08] <jpds> popey: Better hope the Victoria line is not on strike like it was today.
[00:09] <jpds> Plenty of ways to reroute tho.
[00:10] <popey> yeah
[00:10] <popey> and plenty of time too
[00:10] <popey> right, now bed!
[00:10]  * jpds follows everyone's suit.
[00:18] <Nafallo> hmm
[00:18] <Nafallo> and no. I think it was only today.
[00:23] <wgrant> Can we kill people who post links, as usual? Or only later?
[02:01] <genii> LjL: You're not just gonna kick em or such? 
[02:01] <LjL> genii: with no access?
[02:01] <genii> Aaah OK
[02:03] <LjL> the fuck
[02:03] <LjL> [03:00:46] <casslab> hi. i seem to be srsly fucking with you in there eh?
[02:03] <LjL> [03:01:13] <LjL> uhm you just sound more or less like a commonplace troll, why?
[02:03] <LjL> [03:02:23] <casslab> because you seem raged, that's why
[02:03] <LjL> [03:02:29] <casslab> also, i don't know what a troll is.
[02:03] <LjL> [03:02:42] <ubottu> troll
[02:03] <LjL> [03:02:55] <LjL> type /msg ubottu troll - that will tell you
[02:03] <LjL> [03:03:13] <casslab> how about i pee in your ear instead?
[02:06]  * genii makes coffee and doughnuts for Pici
[02:10] <Pici> Sorry, I'm playing with QoS here and I'm having issues with my ssh connection
[02:13] <wgrant_> Ah, I see PartyBot is back.
[02:25] <genii> Whats this bunny thing? The bot kills a bunny when you ask the not-to-be-asked Q?
[02:26] <wgrant_> genii: The topic used to say that a bunny was killed each time. But that got changed.
[02:26] <genii> Hehe, OK
[02:26] <genii> Hopefully PETA didn't get involved
[03:20] <LjL> why is mtecknology removing bans from #ubuntu-release-party?
[03:20] <wgrant> I was wondering that.
[03:20] <Madpilot> didn't even knew he was an op
[03:21] <LjL> why is mtecknology generally doing things with op privileges that he doesn't have?
[03:21] <wgrant> ubuntu/member/* is.
[03:21] <LjL> that ban he removed was a spammer.
[03:21] <Madpilot> ah, -release-party  has the blanket /ubuntu/member/* as op
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> yes, yes it does
[03:23] <tsimpson> LjL: has he said why he did it yet?
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> LjL: are the watchbots smart enough to automatically tell people to go to the proper channels if they ask about the release or upgrading and such in #ubuntu?
[03:27] <genii> Maybe partybot should specify what timezone the 18:30 is supposed to reside in :)
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> probably
[03:28] <tsimpson> nah, make it as vague as possible
[03:28] <tsimpson> 18:30 on Pluto
[03:28] <LjL> tonyyarusso: no
[03:28] <tsimpson> give them something to google
[03:28] <LjL> tsimpson: no
[03:28] <LjL> genii: meh, it's a joke to begin with! do you want it to take leap seconds into account too? :<
[03:29] <genii> LjL: Samoa is the last timezone before international date line for instance. so make it something like that
[03:29] <genii> I'd kill myself laghing
[03:29] <genii> *laughing, even
[03:30] <tonyyarusso> Samoa sounds good to me :P
[03:30] <LjL> aaalright
[03:30] <genii> It will also occupy them when they go resorting to google or so to find out what the hell timezone it's in
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> haha
[03:32] <wgrant> Excellent.
[03:32] <genii> :)
 I just figured that because of the nature of the channel bad behaviour is moderately common and that if they were banned for 5 hours, they either wouldn't come back or when they did they would behave. I also figured that it would be nice to have a clean banlist. And that there's going to be plenty of ops around to take care of things.
[03:33] <genii> See, the "where the hell is samoa" stuff starts now
[03:33] <LjL> tsimpson: how's about he stops figuring things and leaves the goddam banlist alone instead
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> tsimpson: he's probably right frankly.  Unless it's major, most of our bans there are removed after an hour or so.
[03:34] <LjL> tonyyarusso: it was a spamming of "fuck"s.
[03:34]  * tonyyarusso doesn't know anything about the specific one in question though
[03:34] <wgrant> Last release the ban list was cleared out regularly.
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> LjL: mmkay
[03:34] <wgrant> oh.
[03:34] <LjL> 23 fucks.
[03:34] <tsimpson> tonyyarusso: I was thinking that, but they have no op experience, so I'd be nice for them to *ask*
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> Either way, if he's going to be doing stuff there, he should be in here or #ubuntu-irc.  I leave it to one of y'all to tell me which is more appropriate for this.
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> tsimpson: agreed.
[03:35] <tsimpson> hmm, I suppose it's a "core" channel (ie: non-loco)
[03:35] <tsimpson> so here
[03:36] <tsimpson> there we go
[03:37] <MTecknology> hi
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> yay
[03:38] <tsimpson> if you want to volunteer to help keep -r-p sane, I think we can let you idle here for today
[03:38] <MTecknology> ok
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> MTecknology: it's also helpful to direct people to -r-p and +1 as appropriate from #ubuntu if you can watch there.
[03:39] <MTecknology> sure
[03:39] <MTecknology> tonyyarusso: when did you become an op, and what channel?
[03:39]  * tonyyarusso remembered to get chanpeak.pl running in time this go around
[03:39] <wgrant> tonyyarusso has been an op forever.
[03:39]  * LjL shakes head
[03:40] <MTecknology> I never even knew that
[03:40] <tonyyarusso> MTecknology: November of 2006 iirc, and of #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic first.
[03:40] <tonyyarusso> December rather, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TonyYarusso
[03:41]  * tonyyarusso should really update that
[03:41] <MTecknology> -r-c Is the most active #ubuntu- channel I've ever had op privs in
[04:06] <genii> Is Malone some scifi writer named freenode box? eg: <ubot3> Stupendoussteve: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The read operation timed out
[04:08] <wgrant> Malone is the old name for the Launchpad bugtracker.
[04:08] <tritium> Good evening.
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> genii: No, I think Malone is the bug-tracking component of Launchpad.  That would be info from the bugsnarfer plugin.
[04:08] <genii> Ah, OK
[04:23] <genii> Hehehe the Lenin Cat is getting somewhat upset in there
[04:25] <MTecknology> I wonder if he believes me
[04:26] <genii> Probably not now, i think he/she finally caught on.
[04:26] <genii> (As with the other 99% at this point)
[04:26] <MTecknology> I was surprised they believed it at all
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> Anyone know who the release manager is this dev cycle?
[04:32] <genii> Langasek?
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> sounds plausible.
[04:33]  * tonyyarusso didn't know if they changed up more often or not
[04:38] <wgrant> slangasek is the release manager.
[04:38] <wgrant> He was hired for that purpose.
[05:00] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: I've got chanpeak going already... wonder what it was last year.
[05:08] <wgrant> Are .pool links instant-kick-worthy again?
[05:09] <tsimpson> when it's obvious, yes
[05:09] <tsimpson> Skapare: do you know why you were forwarded here?
[05:10] <Skapare> tsimpson: because I was answering a question someone ask
[05:11] <tsimpson> poting links/md5sums to pre-release images (those in .pool) will not be tolerated
[05:11] <tsimpson> those may not be final images and only slow down the release
[05:12] <Skapare> tsimpson: links I can understand ... md5sums?  that's just helps people be ready to verify their downloads
[05:12] <Skapare> tsimpson: I'm not giving links
[05:12] <tsimpson> posting md5sums makes people think it's official, which it is not
[05:12] <Skapare> tsimpson: of course, if people look around, they can find them themselves, it's not hard <--- and I didn't even suggest this
[05:13] <Skapare> well, if you says so
[05:13] <tsimpson> yes, they can find it themselves, nothing we can do about that
[05:13] <Skapare> please suggest it on the topic ... people might be giving md5s in PM, too
[05:13] <tsimpson> but we don't want anyone to incorage that
[05:14] <Skapare> I know more than one person already has them
[05:14] <Flannel> Skapare: Good for you.  What about our policy are you having trouble understanding?
[05:15] <Skapare> Flannel: how about reading what I just wrote ... do you have more to add to that?
[05:16] <tsimpson> Skapare: as long as you understand, you are free to rejoin #ubuntu-release-party
[05:16] <Flannel> Skapare: I read all of what you just wrote, there's lots of things people can be doing in queries, I don't think "what ifs" are really prudent.
[05:17] <Skapare> Flannel: so what do you think is the standing issue?
[05:17] <Skapare> Flannel: you did read the part where I suggest making the policy more visible?
[05:17] <Skapare> Flannel: not that you have to do that ... I'm just saying you'd avoid more problems if more people knew
[05:17] <Flannel> Skapare: I did.  As I said, I read everything you wrote.
[05:18] <Skapare> Flannel: if you did, then it should be apparent to you that I now know the policy (the one that most people don't yet know)
[05:18] <Skapare> Flannel: so is the policy itself secret?  or is it OK for me to tell others not to give out MD5s ?
[05:19] <tsimpson> Skapare: the topic has been updated in -r-p already
[05:20] <Skapare> tsimpson: OK ... I will adhere to that (would have even if you hadn't added it to topic ... it was just an idea)
[05:21] <tsimpson> we tend to put off having it in the topic, it can give people the IDEA to look for them
[05:21] <Skapare> I see
[05:22] <Skapare> so then maybe it would also be good for people to not mention they already have it and installed it (which I did earlier today)
[05:22]  * genii blames the DDOS attack now of the mirrors squarely on Skapare
[05:22] <Flannel> Skapare: That would be a good thing to avoid doing, yes.  Because, by golly, you *dont* already have it.
[05:23] <Flannel> Skapare: Also, you should refrain from lighting your pants on fire.  Should we put that in the topic as well?
[05:23] <Skapare> Flannel: if that's a true statement, then I wasn't giving out the MD5 of the real release, was I
[05:23] <Flannel> Skapare: Good evening Skapare.
[05:24] <tritium> Flannel: greetings from California
[05:25] <Flannel> Howdy tritium
[05:26] <Flannel> Skapare: Is there anything else we can help you with today?  If not, we ask you please don't idle here.  Thanks.
[05:27] <Skapare> tsimpson: so if someone asks for MD5s ... can I direct them to download the MD5SUMS file when they download the release?
[05:28] <tsimpson> we'd prefer it if you just didn't respond at all
[05:28] <Skapare> tsimpson: so you'll take care of it?
[05:28] <tsimpson> if I'm watching, yes
[05:29] <tsimpson> or another op will
[05:29] <Skapare> so only ops do "support" in the party channel?
[05:29] <tsimpson> no, we just makes sure things don't get out of line
[05:30] <tsimpson> nothing stopping us having fun in-between
[05:30] <Skapare> but telling someone that MD5s are in the MD5SUMS files, as they have been for years, is out of line?
[05:31] <Flannel> Skapare: If you tell them to download the MD5 when they download the relase, you're fine.
[05:31] <tsimpson> telling someone in the channel also tells 177 others
[05:31] <Flannel> Skapare: As I imagine you already knew; please stop wasting our time.
[05:31] <Skapare> so "support" answers (but not revealing the release leaks) should be PM?
[05:32] <Flannel> Skapare: No.  What on earth gave you that idea?
[05:32] <Skapare> Flannel: I didn't know the policy against revealing MD5s, before ... I'm finding out now
[05:33] <Flannel> Skapare: Again, stop wasting our time.  You seem like an intelligent enough person to not need this spelled out.  If you do actually need this spelled out for you, I suggest you refrain from participating in #ubuntu-release-party this time around.  There are a number of other channels you can participate in which aren't so grey.
[05:34] <Skapare> well, I'll leave this channel now so I'm not idle here
[05:34]  * tsimpson looks for painkillers
[05:34] <Madpilot> that bot in -release-party is nicely programmed. it picks up almost all the variations of 'is it out yet' that I've seen :)
[05:37] <Flannel> I... updated a few gutsys to Jauntys, no idea if we'll use them, since it looks like other factoids have taken the place, but...
[05:37] <Flannel> !hangover
[05:37] <Flannel> !releaseparty
[05:38] <genii> The !hangover makes me wonder if they hire a bunch of drinkers now for managing releases....
[05:38] <genii> ;)
[05:39]  * genii hands tsimpson the Advils
[05:42] <Amaranth> !hangover
[05:42] <Amaranth> hahahahaha
[05:42] <Madpilot> excellent
[05:44] <Flannel> !-hangover
[05:44] <tsimpson> eh, ubot3 is insanely out of date
[05:44] <Flannel> hungover also works
 Amaranth: can you please remove me from blacklist
[05:44] <Flannel> Amaranth: hah
[05:44] <Amaranth> he believed the partybot
[05:45] <Flannel> Amaranth: Try to sell him the Golden gate bridge while you're at it ;)
[05:45]  * tsimpson tries to feel sorry for him, but failz
[05:45] <Amaranth> someone do the sed thing to make it say jaunty instead of gutsy
[05:45] <Flannel> Which one?
[05:45] <tsimpson> who has access to ubot3?
[05:46] <Flannel> factoid =~ s/gutsy/jaunty/
[05:46] <Flannel> whoever does
[05:46] <Flannel> obviously, fix factoid to said factoid.
[05:46] <Flannel> (and yes, it is case sensitive, and you do have to do it multiple times if theres multiple gutsys in teh factoid, no /g)
[05:47] <ubot3> In ubot3, Amaranth said: !hungover =~ s/gutsy/jaunty/
[05:47] <Amaranth> bleh
[05:47] <ubot3> In ubot3, Amaranth said: !hungover =~ s/gutsy/jaunty/
[05:47] <Amaranth> damnit
[05:48] <tsimpson> we have no access
[05:48] <tsimpson> botfail
[05:50] <Flannel> isn't ubot3 Mr Yarussos?
[05:50] <genii> uot3 has gone rogue!
[05:51] <tsimpson> /whois ubot3 shows who's it is
[05:51] <Flannel> yeah, but... that'd require me to like... look...
[05:52] <Flannel> tritium: Are you in CA right now?
[05:52] <Amaranth> tsimpson: it's only the release party, I don't mess around with such people
[05:52] <Amaranth> as long as we clear the list after the release so they can try again in 6 months
[05:52] <Madpilot> naliot h's bot
[05:53] <tsimpson> Amaranth: kicking without thought == trouble
[05:53] <Amaranth> tsimpson: Killing the servers before they mirror == trouble
[05:53] <Flannel> trouble [05:54] <tsimpson> were you here when someone threatened to "complain to canonical" when they were removed, and started spamming every #ubuntu* channel they could find with .pool links?
[05:54] <Amaranth> nope, sounds like a good way to get yourself banned from #ubuntu-* forever though
[05:54] <tsimpson> yes, they were a moron, but it still caused us trouble
[05:55] <tsimpson> I think it was around dapper/edgy maybe
[05:55] <Amaranth> oh hey, I think I was here then
[05:55] <Amaranth> I think I banned them
[05:55] <Flannel> Ah... Dapper was a fun release.
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: no.
[05:55] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: 
[05:56] <Amaranth> I know I had a lot of fun PMs a couple releases ago
[05:56] <Madpilot> dapper I remember as being insane. the first of the huge releases
[05:56] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: erm, yeah, so I found out.
[05:56] <Flannel> Madpilot: Indeed indeed!  We broke 1500 with Dapper!
[05:56] <Flannel> Or... did I mix up my releases?
[05:56] <Amaranth> We haven't gone much above that since
[05:56] <Madpilot> and no -release-party as a safety valve then
[05:56] <tonyyarusso> right
[05:56] <Flannel> Aye!
[05:57] <Flannel> Amaranth: er, we broke 2000 for Edgy?
[05:57] <Flannel> Or, was it feisty?
[05:57] <Amaranth> Did we?
[05:57] <Flannel> I think Edgy
[05:57] <Flannel> yeah
[05:57] <Flannel> Again, that was before -r-p
[05:57] <Amaranth> I know we had one huge release then the one after didn't get any larger
[05:57] <Amaranth> Stopped paying attention after that
[06:23] <Madpilot> nice, the partybot is now quoting IPs to sound even more threatening
[06:23] <Madpilot> whoever thought that refinement up, I admire you
[06:23] <Madpilot> it's wonderfully evil
[06:24] <wgrant> Madpilot: It only seems to do it sometimes.
[06:26] <wgrant> ... did he believe me?
[06:27] <tsimpson> it seems to do it only fore repeat "offenders"
[06:27] <wgrant> It does. Only after it gives the delay message a couple of times to the person.
[06:46] <MTecknology> what happened while I was gone... +o's all around
[06:47] <tsimpson> it's just easier when there are a few nutters
[06:47] <Flannel> MTecknology: I was thinking about putting my cinnamon roll hat on too.
[06:47] <Amaranth> That prerelease idea is great wgrant
[06:47] <Amaranth> I was going to plead to their moral side about not delaying the release for everyone
[06:47] <MTecknology> I've never heard of +o like that
[06:47] <Flannel> MTecknology: As a cinnamon roll?
[06:47] <MTecknology> ya
[06:48] <Amaranth> mtecknology: release time, of course
[06:48] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-release-party, prateek said: !hey, is the bot out?
[06:48]  * genii sips and munches a cinnamon roll
[06:48] <Amaranth> I'm now opped in every channel I'm in that I have access to except #ubuntu-desktop
[06:48] <Amaranth> Probably won't need it there :P
[06:49] <tsimpson> is there a need to be +o in #ubuntu?
[06:49] <Amaranth> Wait, this release is going to use akamai?
[06:49] <Flannel> Amaranth: I saw that comment in -motu
[06:49] <Amaranth> tsimpson: Keep the crazies in check just by them seeing it
[06:49] <profx> having issues with a user in #ubuntu
[06:49] <Flannel> Hi profx, how can we help you today?
[06:49] <profx> and I think Amaranth is about to flex some power
[06:49] <Amaranth> oh, I wasn't even looking
[06:50] <profx> ah
[06:50] <Amaranth> sorry, just preparing
[06:50] <profx> u just opped up
[06:50] <Flannel> profx: Trouble with whom?
[06:50] <profx> i see
[06:50] <bazhang> ?
[06:50] <tsimpson> Amaranth: see ;)
[06:50] <profx> Gnea
[06:50] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:50] <bazhang> ask about windows in ##windows channel profx 
[06:50] <profx> sure bazhang
[06:50] <MTecknology> lol
[06:50] <profx> already did
[06:50] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-release-party, prateek said: !42 is anything out
[06:51] <Amaranth> Gnea looks to be a very helpful person in #ubuntu who isn't doing anything wrong
[06:51] <profx> anything else you need to discuss bazhang ?
[06:51] <bazhang> it takes two coins to click
[06:51] <profx> *cough*cheese*cough*
[06:51] <profx> Amaranth, I see
[06:52] <Amaranth> profx: If you can't get help in ##windows you'll just have to wait or look online somewhere. #ubuntu is not the right place
[06:52] <Amaranth> profx: Try stackoverflow.com maybe, they seem helpful
[06:52] <profx> instigating the conversation isnt doing someting wrrong, I agree
[06:52] <profx> but it could lead into something more, if s/he doesn't drop with the person offense...
[06:53] <profx> Amaranth: i prefer IRC, thanks
[06:53] <Amaranth> profx: That's fine then, wait for a response in ##windows
[06:53] <profx> but, you being an intelligent person and all
[06:53] <Amaranth> Please don't ask offtopic questions in #ubuntu on the busiest day of the year
[06:54] <profx> could understand that people in the channel -may- have more knowledge outside of the scope of the channel
[06:54] <profx> busy? because?
[06:54] <Amaranth> profx: That's not really the point though
[06:54] <Amaranth> profx: We're about to release Ubuntu 9.04
[06:54] <Flannel> profx: Yes, but #ubuntu is about Ubuntu support.  We have other channels for non-ubuntu support.
[06:54] <profx> ah
[06:54] <Amaranth> Surely as an Ubuntu user you know the release is coming
[06:54] <profx> sorry, my bad
[06:54] <profx> i didnt realize
[06:55] <profx> my apologizes Amaranth
[06:55] <profx> have a nice night all
[06:55] <Amaranth> tsimpson: BePhantom wants to be unbanned (changed his nick to HaikuOS)
[06:55] <tsimpson> Amaranth: I asked him to join here, he refused
[06:56] <MTecknology> he got banned while I was gone?
[06:56] <HaikuOS> hello, i want my ban removed in ubuntu-release-party, i was never warned of the new topic
[06:57] <Flannel> Hi Thierry_, how can we help you today?
[06:57] <BePhantom> Amaranth here i am
[06:57] <Amaranth> BePhantom: It's up to tsimpson, he banned you
[06:57] <BePhantom> tsimpson unban me
[06:58] <tsimpson> BePhantom: why did you refuse to come here to discuss it?
[06:58] <BePhantom> because your action is wrong, i wanted to talk personally
[06:58] <BePhantom> is wrong for several reasons: 1st you should warn first, kick is possible
[06:59] <BePhantom> 2nd you should tell people of channel rules, teach them first
[06:59] <BePhantom> once those things are done then ban
[06:59] <tsimpson> did you red the topic?
[06:59] <BePhantom> no, as you can see from the ip you banned I'm not english speaking
[06:59] <Amaranth> BePhantom: Posting a link to a hidden directory means you should know you're doing something wrong anyway
[07:00] <Flannel> Also, please stop using the enter key as punctuation.  Thanks.
[07:00] <Amaranth> BePhantom: You are using English quite well now, I'm sure you can understand the topic
[07:00] <BePhantom> Amaranth someone gave me that link, did you ask me if i was new to ubuntu?
[07:00] <tsimpson> you seem to read/write english well enough
[07:01] <tsimpson> why did you post the links in the first place?
[07:01] <BePhantom> well, thanks. Still it's your duty to tell people to follow the rules, if nothing happens then the last resort:  to ban
[07:02] <MTecknology> BePhantom: I warned you many times earlier about your behavior
[07:02] <BePhantom> because i thought it was the final version, it's not like i pirated something
[07:02] <BePhantom> MTecknology you didnt
[07:02] <BePhantom> please dont lie
[07:02] <tsimpson> I have logs showing he did
[07:03] <bazhang> same here
[07:03] <BePhantom> I can change my ip, but i rather come here and talk to tsimpson and show him his error
[07:03] <tsimpson> [04:31]<BePhantom> i have a boner dependency problem in my pants
[07:03] <tsimpson> [04:31]<MTecknology> BePhantom: don't
[07:03] <BePhantom> tsimpson that was just a joke, didn't you read the other comments?
[07:03] <BePhantom> you don't seem to pay much attention
[07:03] <tsimpson> yes, but that's just one instance I see
[07:04] <BePhantom> much worse things are being said under your nose
[07:04] <tsimpson> I can't watch 100% of the time
[07:05] <tsimpson> "<BePhantom> I can change my ip, but i rather come here and talk to tsimpson and show him his error"
[07:05] <tsimpson> that makes me want to unban you?
[07:05] <tsimpson> do you know that's against freenode network policy to ban evade?
[07:05] <BePhantom> tsimpson you are mistaken, i think every op here will agree that you should warn first
[07:05] <bazhang> nope
[07:05] <Flannel> BePhantom: I think you'd be best served if you just parted this channel and cut your losses regarding that channel.  Try again in six months.
[07:06] <BePhantom> Flannel sure, that channel is not that important, what worries my is that tsimpson has op
[07:06] <topyli> BePhantom: please don't tell ops what their duties are and what their opinions are
[07:06] <BePhantom> me*
[07:06] <Madpilot> BePhantom, sounds like you had warnings. You don't get one warning per op, you get one warning, period.
[07:07] <BePhantom> Madpilot i didnt, i didnt get a warning like "dont post those links, check the topic"
[07:07] <Flannel> BePhantom: As I said previously, I strongly suggest that you part this channel now.
[07:07] <Amaranth> BePhantom: Reading the channel topic is required. You can't say you didn't read it as an excuse.
[07:08] <Amaranth> BePhantom: That's true in every channel
[07:08] <BePhantom> Amaranth i didnt, and i didnt know it was an illegal (or something) link
[07:08] <BePhantom> im new to ubuntu
[07:08] <BePhantom> im using it since one week
[07:08] <BePhantom> do you think i know what an unofficial link is?
[07:08] <tsimpson> you are not new to IRC
[07:09] <tsimpson> you should know to read channel topics
[07:09] <bazhang> this is going nowhere.
[07:09] <BePhantom> no, i chat in Haiku
[07:09] <Flannel> BePhantom: Duly Noted.  Please try -release-party again in six months.
[07:09] <BePhantom> ok Flannel
[07:10] <MTecknology> How can I list all hostmasks in a channel?
[07:10] <Amaranth> tsimpson: That's some irony right there :P
[07:10] <tsimpson> MTecknology: /who
[07:10] <Amaranth> tsimpson: Also, the issue you were talking about with a previous release, was that the one where the person had a support contract with Canonical and complained to them?
[07:11] <MTecknology> that was fun
[07:11] <tsimpson> Amaranth: yes! that's the one
[07:11] <Amaranth> tsimpson: Yeah, that was fun
[07:11] <tsimpson> btw: Apr 23 06:49:46 <BePhantom_>    ok, ill unban myself
[07:11] <MTecknology> tsimpson: Is it possible to grep that list?
[07:11] <topyli> Amaranth: any particular reason you're opped on -ot?
[07:11] <tsimpson> MTecknology: you can /who *somehost*, but not per-channel
[07:12] <MTecknology> k, thanks
[07:12] <Amaranth> topyli: I'm saying my cinnamon rolls for when I get hungry
[07:12] <tsimpson> heh, the bot's on Apr 26th :p
[07:12] <bazhang> haha
[07:12] <Amaranth> topyli: Actually I'm just hoping the crazies will see someone with @ and think twice
[07:13] <Amaranth> err, saving
[07:13] <MTecknology> tsimpson: What's wrong with this? /who c-24-7-127-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
[07:13] <Amaranth> way to ruin a joke :/
[07:13] <topyli> heh
[07:13] <tsimpson> MTecknology: nothing?
[07:13] <tsimpson> * #ubuntu-classroom n=zhurai c-24-7-127-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net irc.freenode.net zhurai H :0 ...
[07:13] <MTecknology> doesn't display anything
[07:13] <tsimpson> look in your server window/tab
[07:14] <topyli> dunno. myself, i hate it when people go "careful now, $OP here"
[07:14] <MTecknology> hrm. idk what I was doing wrong, thanks
[07:15] <Amaranth> topyli: Yeah, it sucks, but if it keeps someone from spamming links...
[07:16]  * genii hides
[07:17] <MTecknology> wait... partybot lies too?? I never noticed that
[07:17] <Amaranth> haha, yeah, awesome stuff there
[07:17] <bazhang> hehe
[07:18] <Amaranth> my itouch has the mail app open so it is hitting gmail once a minute checking for new mail
[07:18] <Amaranth> when it dings it is release time
[07:18] <Amaranth> well, either that or someone responded to a forum post
[07:18]  * Flannel runs off to send Amaranth an email.
[07:18] <Amaranth> it already dinged once
[07:18] <MTecknology> how do you get that email?
[07:18] <MTecknology> the announce list?
[07:19] <Amaranth> mtecknology: yep
[07:19] <Flannel> ubuntu-announce, yeah
[07:19] <tsimpson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
[07:19] <Amaranth> it isn't official until an email has been sent to that list
[07:19] <MTecknology> I should change my check frequency
[07:21] <Amaranth> btw, make sure one of you gets the torrents mirrored somehow
[07:21] <Flannel> one of you, eh?
[07:21] <Amaranth> Flannel: I'll try too
[07:21] <Amaranth> but the more the merrier
[07:21] <Flannel> Depends on when it gets released, but yeah.
[07:21] <Flannel> Oooooh, this'll be the first time I use my brand new torrent tracker!
[07:22] <MTecknology> I'll start up torrents before I go to sleep if it's released
[07:22] <genii> Uhoh,: <PartyBot1> ubot3: Servers now added your host to the distributed blacklist (the torrents are also locked)
[07:22] <MTecknology> I'll need a script to authenticate me to my university network sometime tonight
[07:23] <Flannel> MTecknology: It'll be released in at least seven hours.
[07:23] <MTecknology> seven?
[07:23] <Flannel> at least.
[07:23] <MTecknology> I have time to sleep....
[07:23] <MTecknology> I'll be in class already
[07:23] <Flannel> Yeah, were you considering staying up?
[07:23] <MTecknology> I was...
[07:23] <Flannel> How many releases have you been through? ;)
[07:24] <Amaranth> I'm thinking I can stay up 90 minutes longer to keep the channels sane
[07:24] <Flannel> actually, Intrepid was released awfully early in the day.
[07:24] <MTecknology> a few, but usually I go to sleep, get up and they're out. I've never been up for the release
[07:24] <Amaranth> After that wgrant gets to take over :)
[07:25] <genii> 2:25AM here. Another 35 minutes and i shut the coffeepot and beer taps in -r -p off
[07:25] <Flannel> Eh, I take that back.  7.10 was released in about five hours, 8.04 was released in six, and 8.10 was released in eight.
[07:26] <genii> So at that rate, 10
[07:26] <Flannel> or nine.
[07:26] <genii> Interesting.
[07:27] <genii> I think they may soon start pitting the bots against each other
[07:28] <Flannel> I predict.... 9 hours ahead, and at :37 (so, nine hours and nine minutes, I suppose)
[07:30] <MTecknology> tsimpson: perhaps a modification so they ignore each other?
[07:31] <genii> Interesting that it still tweaks on the silenced ubot3
[07:31] <tsimpson> MTecknology: yeah, except I don't have access to ubot3 or PartyBot
[07:31] <MTecknology> oh- then give me access :P
[07:31] <tsimpson> genii: parybot is +o and channel is +z
[07:32] <genii> Too bad
[07:32]  * tsimpson makes Amaranth explain the +z
[07:32] <Amaranth> yeah, I wanted to see what it was doing still :P
[07:32] <Madpilot> interesting - I'm still seeding both alt & livecd for the RC, and they both started up again a while ago. Hope people don't think they're getting the real thing...
[07:32] <Amaranth> plus if we mute people we can see them troll for a bit :)
[07:32] <bazhang> heh
[07:33]  * genii hands bazhang a coffee
[07:33] <bazhang> thanks genii :)
[07:33] <genii> Anytime :)
[07:35]  * genii watches Amaranth lie to wtv about the bot and almost dies laughing
[07:41] <bazhang> grexo dual-trolling in ##economics and -ot
[07:43] <Madpilot> there's a ##economics? bleh. as bad or worse than ##politics?
[07:44] <bazhang> nah, actually pretty sane comparatively
[07:44] <genii> I guess the beancounters don't get excited about much in there
[07:45] <MTecknology> Flannel: hey... you were saying release around 9 or 10... what tz?
[07:45] <Flannel> Their tempers aren't easily liquified.
[07:45] <Flannel> MTecknology: that was hours from then.
[07:45] <Flannel> My guess is nine hours minus six minutes.
[07:45] <Flannel> (from now)
[07:46] <MTecknology> I meant, what time zone
[07:46] <MTecknology> +0
[07:46] <ubot2`> Factoid '0' not found
[07:46] <bazhang> :0
[07:46] <genii> "from now" sorta negates what time zone, I'd think
[07:46] <MTecknology> oh - wow...
[07:46] <MTecknology> I should go to sleep
[07:46] <Flannel> MTecknology: I agree.
[07:47] <Flannel> MTecknology: However, for you... thatd be what, 9:37 am?
[07:47] <Flannel> Or, no, 10:37?
[07:47]  * tsimpson guesses between 6 and 8 hours
[07:47] <MTecknology> yup
[07:47] <genii> For me 11:56
[07:47] <MTecknology> I'll be just about to get out of class at that time and I'll be spending tim w/ my gf
[07:47] <MTecknology> I only have two classes tomorro
[07:47] <MTecknology> w
[07:48] <genii> Bleh. I'll be at work for 3 hours already by then. Assuming I get some sleep
[07:48] <tsimpson> so IRC has not eaten your life yet..
[07:48] <Flannel> Just have wget && btlaunchmanycurses all set up....
[07:48] <MTecknology> tsimpson: it nearly has. My gf got upset with me for being in irc today
[07:49] <tsimpson> just look all disappointed and say "you really don't understand me, do you?", you'll get away with murder ;)
[07:50] <MTecknology> jpds: FUNNY!
[07:50] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-release-party, Orlsend said: !Jaunty is released now!
[07:51] <genii> At least nixz seemed to have learnt something about asking when it's out :)
[07:51] <Seeker`> morning
[07:52] <Seeker`> !already
[07:52] <Flannel> That factoid needs to be beleeted!
[07:52] <Seeker`> Flannel: why?
[07:52] <Flannel> because?
[07:53] <Seeker`> aha, it doesn't work because ubot3 is muted
[07:53] <MTecknology> beleeted?
[07:53] <Flannel> Ah
[07:53] <Flannel> Ban dodging, eh?
[07:53] <Flannel> I suppose being annoying is a bad wya to draw attenion to yourself
[07:53] <Flannel> being able to type would be a better way.
[07:54] <ikonia> look up "chronic"
[07:54] <Seeker`> morning ikonia 
[07:54] <ikonia> howdy
[07:54] <Seeker`> going to the nodnol release party?
[07:54]  * genii slides ikonia a coffee
[07:54] <Flannel> ikonia: Back with a hostmask!
[07:55] <ikonia> Flannel: ahhh you where quicker
[07:55] <ikonia> lets get that cloak removed
[07:55] <MTecknology> Amaranth: I missed that the first time and didn't get it
[07:55] <MTecknology> :P
[07:56] <MTecknology> wrong chan too - sorry
[07:56] <ikonia> msg ubottu @bansearch chronic
[07:56] <ikonia> oops
[07:57] <ikonia> @login
[07:57] <MTecknology> bansearch? - I should play with that on my channels...
[07:57] <tsimpson> you don't need the '@' in /msg either
[07:58] <tsimpson> @help bansearch
[07:58] <ubot2`> tsimpson: Error: There is no command "bansearch".
[07:58] <tsimpson> MTecknology: ^
[07:59] <MTecknology> tsimpson: I can't use it w/ ubottu though. I have it setup on mtbotu I think
[07:59] <MTecknology> mtbot*
[07:59] <tsimpson> as long as you have a relativity recent bot
[07:59] <MTecknology> is that what you guys use to watch for ban evasions?
[08:00] <MTecknology> tsimpson: You helped me set it up :)
[08:00] <Flannel> MTecknology: Actually, ban evasions are usually caught just by puny hoomans.
[08:00] <Myrtti> why is it that a release wakes up all the trolls and twats?
[08:00] <tsimpson> MTecknology: I can't remember when I added it though
[08:00] <tsimpson> may have been before, or after
[08:00] <Seeker`> MTecknology: its easier than loading up the bantracker, especailly over 3G
[08:00] <MTecknology> It's there, I'm subscribed to the branch too
[08:01] <Seeker`> morning Myrtti 
[08:01]  * Seeker` is at work already so he can leave early to get to London
[08:01]  * Myrtti took today off
[08:01]  * tsimpson will get a Bantracker API one day, it's on his "things to do after I do the thinks on my todo list"-list
[08:02] <Seeker`> Myrtti: nice
[08:02] <genii> Well, gnite/morning, I have to /away and sleep before i don't make it into work tomorrow
[08:02] <Seeker`> Myrtti: any idea what time you are headed to the party yet?
[08:02] <Myrtti> and tomorrow too :-) going to be a tourist, I've got nice things looked up in Google maps
[08:02] <Myrtti> Seeker`: no, depends on things like how painful the train trip has been
[08:03] <Seeker`> haha
[08:06]  * Myrtti is doing her morning stretches to get the sensation back on her calf
[08:06] <Seeker`> fnu
[08:06]  * Seeker` is coding already
[08:07] <Amaranth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dooKpdIwwR4&feature=channel
[08:07] <Amaranth> best fail ever
[08:08] <Flannel> One wonders if he's just like... "I'm sliding... lets push the gas!"
[08:09] <MTecknology> I'm confused with this
[08:09] <Seeker`> confused with what?
[08:10] <MTecknology> the video - watch the breaks - it's intentional
[08:10]  * Seeker` isn't going to start watching youtube on 3G with a bandwidth limit
[08:11] <MTecknology> lol
[08:11] <popey> wuss
[08:11] <Flannel> What's that?  Coefficient of kenetic friction is lower than coefficient of static friction?
[08:12] <Seeker`> popey: :P
[08:12] <MTecknology> Is it just me, or does toyo|desk want to argue?
[08:12] <Seeker`> this bandwidth has got to last all month
[08:12] <MTecknology> ouch
[08:13] <MTecknology> You get a blackberry in the US you're forced to buy an unlimited data plan
[08:13] <Myrtti> release days make me loose hope in humanity
[08:13] <Myrtti> s/loose/lose/
[08:14] <Madpilot> release days certainly bring out the crazy
[08:14] <Madpilot> by the truckload
[08:14] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu chronicpirate suspect chronic user ban dodging, remove ban for monitoring as he claims its not him as long as he is identified to the account chronicpirate that is over 1 year old
[08:15] <tsimpson> I thought we generally allow "damn"
[08:15] <Myrtti> fujisan in -r-p
[08:16] <MTecknology> I thought any swearing wasn't
[08:16] <Seeker`> tsimpson: I've never seen anyone warned for it before
[08:16] <Myrtti> me neither
[08:16] <Seeker`> MTecknology: depends on how you define swearing
[08:16] <tsimpson> if you're  offended by "damn", you should not use the internet ;P
[08:16] <Flannel> Myrtti: different fuji*
[08:16] <ikonia> Myrtti: blat him
[08:16] <ikonia> is he different ?
[08:16] <Flannel> I don't think he's the same
[08:17] <ikonia> I can't keep track of him and his nonsense changes, different client though
[08:17] <MTecknology> tsimpson: If you're offended by swearing you shouldn't us the internet
[08:17] <Myrtti> I think elky said it really  is him
[08:17] <Flannel> could be.
[08:17] <Flannel> I didn't look into it.  Its just a different nick.
[08:18] <tsimpson> Myrtti: 6-42-215.ftth.xms.internl.net is fujisan
[08:18]  * wgrant reappears.
[08:18] <tsimpson> 16*
[08:18] <tsimpson> and unaffiliated/pacopaco/x-85427
[08:19] <tsimpson> nick Paco_Paco
[08:19] <MTecknology> is wtf swearing then?
[08:20] <tsimpson> yes
[08:20] <tsimpson> because it's an acronym
[08:20] <MTecknology> There should be a white/black list... that was actually a good idea
[08:20] <Flannel> we should have an orange list, a yellow list, and a red list.
[08:21] <Flannel> And... choose between them randomly.
[08:21] <Flannel> That'll keep them wondering.
[08:21] <MTecknology> lol
[08:21] <tsimpson> I don't think the CoC would let us put up a giant list of swear words on the wiki ;)
[08:21] <MTecknology> oh - it wasn't the damn being mentioned - it was the recurring usage
[08:22] <MTecknology> got the log if you want to see
[08:22] <Flannel> I don't think a giant list of swear words would be pertinent anyway.
[08:22] <tsimpson> I'm pretty sure only americans are offended by "damn"
[08:23] <MTecknology> or list of words words that are considered swearing by some that are ok
[08:23] <tsimpson> and only the slightly more religious ones
[08:24] <wgrant> tsimpson: It's certainly not even slightly offensive in Australia.
[08:24] <Gary> I could do with such a list, it'd be like "word of the day" on work emails
[08:24] <Flannel> I think we'd be fine going back to our original definition: as long as you're not being abusive or obnoxious, and aren't being derogatory, etc.
[08:25] <MTecknology> Should he be advertising an unapproved channel? Orlsend
[08:26] <wgrant> No, he shouldn't.
[08:26] <wgrant> That channel shouldn't exist.
[08:26] <MTecknology> shall someone bring it down and kill him?
[08:26] <MTecknology> :P
[08:29] <MTecknology> ok. I'm starting to see how this op thing goes. You catch people because it's the annoying ones you remember
[08:30] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[08:30] <tsimpson> you need to be all seeing and all knowing
[08:30] <ikonia> jussi01: pong
[08:30] <jussi01> ooh, you are around :) Ill pm
[08:30] <ikonia> ok
[08:32] <tsimpson> WOO: Was scheduled for Apr, 27, 00:30 (Samoa time)
[08:33] <Seeker`> tsimpson: ?
[08:34] <tsimpson> Seeker`: the bot is up to Apr 27th now
[08:34] <genii> Can't sleep, and some visitors
[08:34] <Seeker`> nie
[08:34] <MTecknology> jussi01: hi, and I love you
[08:34] <Seeker`> *nice
[08:34] <jussi01> MTecknology: o.O
[08:34] <Seeker`> MTecknology: stop sucking up to IRCC members
[08:34] <MTecknology> ?
[08:34]  * tsimpson gets no love?
[08:35] <MTecknology> tsimpson: I gave you love when I was coming in here
[08:35] <MTecknology> tsimpson: ({)
[08:35] <MTecknology> Seeker`: why would I suck up?
[08:35] <tsimpson> ok, that sounds rude...
[08:35] <MTecknology> tsimpson: It's a hug.. :(
[08:36] <tsimpson> no, the " I gave you love when I was coming in here" part
[08:36] <MTecknology> oh
[08:36] <Seeker`> MTecknology: they make all the rules/ decisions (theoretically)
[08:36] <tsimpson> really, just the "gave you love" bit :p
[08:36] <MTecknology> Seeker`: I really don't suck up to brown nose, it just entertains me
[08:37] <MTecknology> I don't even know who most of the council members are (I don't think so anyway)
[08:38] <Seeker`> is'nt it jussi01, pi ci , n a 1i o th, el ky and someone that never comes on IRC?
[08:38] <jussi01> and Pric-ey
[08:38] <jussi01> as well as bored- andblogging
[08:39] <MTecknology> and mako
[08:39] <jussi01> no
[08:39] <jussi01> not mako
[08:39] <wgrant> mako is CC
[08:39] <MTecknology> oh
[08:39] <Seeker`> jussi01: yeah, the latter is someone that never ocmes on IRC as far as I can tell :P
[08:39] <MTecknology> OH!
[08:39] <MTecknology> which is ple.ia2 on?
[08:40] <Myrtti> Americas membership board?
[08:40] <MTecknology> ok - my head is clear now :)
[08:52] <genii> Man. Drunken visitors at 3:30am to remind me I'll never get to go to sleep when I need to. So why not check in here, etc
[08:53] <tsimpson> heh
[08:53] <genii> release-party seems to have calmed down some, anyhow
[08:54] <MTecknology> the behavior is better :)
[08:54] <genii> Heh
[08:54] <Flannel> rickroll +1
[08:54] <genii> No, you haven't been rickrolling them, have you??
[08:55] <genii> Poor unsuspecting bastards
[08:55] <Seeker`> oooh, good idea
[08:55] <Flannel> Someone else did.  But I fully condone that behavior.
[08:55] <genii> Probably some link in /topic, eh
[08:55] <Flannel> Partybot ought to rickroll people
[08:55] <MTecknology> Amaranth: going to sleep?
[08:55] <Flannel> "In order to be removed from the blacklist, please fill out this form:"
[08:55] <Amaranth> mtecknology: yep
[08:56] <MTecknology> Amaranth: g'night
[08:56] <Amaranth> good night
[08:56] <popey> surprised we haven't seen people posting lots of links to mirrors
[08:57] <popey> usually they start doing that and saying "It's out, look this mirror has it!"
[08:57] <popey> or linking to the .pool
[08:57] <genii> There was some of that .pool stuff earlier
[08:57] <popey> ahh
[08:57] <popey> glad they put a note on it, helps to discourage
[09:00] <MTecknology> hrm... 5hr left to sleep
[09:01] <Flannel> MTecknology: Yep for which part?
[09:01] <Flannel> MTecknology: when *he* didn't even catch the reference, I'm feeling rather down about the possibility of others.
[09:01] <MTecknology> before I need to get up for class
[09:01] <Flannel> No, "yep" in -r-p
[09:01] <genii> MTecknology: 2 1/2 hrs here... :/
[09:02] <MTecknology> I missed it
[09:02] <tsimpson> MTecknology: ?
[09:03] <tsimpson> why did you kick Lord_Devi?
[09:03] <MTecknology> I'm too tired, I though that was a link
[09:04] <tsimpson> ok, look closer next time ;)
[09:04] <Seeker`> friends don't let friends op when they are tired :P
[09:04] <MTecknology> I apologized
[09:04] <MTecknology> but he does think he has the release version
[09:05] <tsimpson> that's up to him to think that
[09:05] <Seeker`> time for me to disappear
[09:05] <Flannel> Nothing (technically) wrong about being incorrect
[09:05] <tsimpson> he may even have it, as long s he doesn't post links or guides to getting it
[09:05] <MTecknology> ah! chanserv deopped me
[09:06] <MTecknology> I can
[09:06] <MTecknology> I can't imagine why it did that after I told it to
[09:06] <MTecknology> He got the apology :) - 03:05 <Lord_Devi> That's ok. =) I'm off to bed anyway. Altho that would be a great way to rickroll someone I bet. Read I couldn't do that in the CoC though
[09:07]  * jussi01 is staying out of the party this year...
[09:07]  * genii tries to lure jussi01 back in with coffee
[09:07] <MTecknology> The commercial about extenze us on, time for sleep.
[09:08] <tsimpson> :)
[09:08] <MTecknology> it comes on at 0300 every single day of the week
[09:09]  * MTecknology kickbans MTecknology from IRC  (time zZzzZzZ)
[09:11] <genii> OK gonna try sleep again
[09:15] <tonyyarusso> Say, I've heard of people using LPIA builds for netbooks.  Does that make any sense?
[09:15] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: yep
[09:15]  * tonyyarusso is confuzzled
[09:15] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: I do
[09:15] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: why?  What's it do?
[09:15] <Seeker`> hi evilGary :)
[09:15] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: better battery life 
[09:15] <evilGary> hey Seeker` 
[09:15] <jussi01> afaik
[09:15] <jussi01> ooh, evilGary is here...
[09:15] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: is it slower or anything as a tradeoff?
[09:16] <Seeker`> why aren't you in -uk Gary?
[09:16] <Flannel> Seeker`: Because he's evil
[09:16] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: not that I know of - its super fast on mine, was really suprised
[09:17] <tonyyarusso> intriguing.
[09:17] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: what machien do you have?
[09:17] <wgrant> lpia has some Hildonisation hacks, but it's also compiled with CFLAGS appropriate for Atom CPUs.
[09:17] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: LG X110 - basically a MSI Wind with 3g
[09:17] <tonyyarusso> ah
[09:18]  * jussi01 thanks wgrantfor the super explanation
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> (btw, the MSI Wind nettop is pretty darn cool)
[09:18] <Flannel> MTecknology: You're supposed to be off in bed
[09:18] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: the LG is cooler
[09:18]  * MTecknology runs away
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: nettop I say
[09:18]  * tonyyarusso built one; is on it now
[09:18] <popey> the tradeoiff is you cant upgrade it easily
[09:18] <popey> no lpia in the repo
[09:18] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: oh... read too fast...
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> It has the Atom 330, which is dual-core 64-bit
[09:19] <jussi01> popey: what?
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> popey: how does it work if it's not in the repo?
[09:19] <popey> the dell mini 9 is pre-installed with -lpia and not -i386 isnt it?
[09:19] <popey> try update-managering it to the next release
[09:20] <popey> see what happens
[09:20] <wgrant> popey: I believe so.
[09:20] <wgrant> popey: What do you mean lpia isn't in the repo?
[09:20] <Myrtti> I should go and do some laundry
[09:20] <popey> lpia specific builds of packages
[09:21] <wgrant> popey: They are. lpia is an Ubuntu arch as of Gutsy or so.
[09:21] <popey> wgrant: kernel only, or everything?
[09:21] <wgrant> popey: UNR is even an official flavour now, and doesn't have some strange extra Canonical archive.
[09:21] <wgrant> popey: Everything.
[09:21] <Flannel> How handy.
[09:21] <wgrant> popey: Well, lots of things fail to build, but 90% of it is there.
[09:21] <popey> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/unclutter/
[09:21] <Flannel> UNR *and* ARM for Jaunty?  Sheesh.
[09:21] <popey> as a random pluck
[09:21] <popey> no -lpia in there
[09:22] <wgrant> popey: It's on ports.ubuntu.com, with the other ports.
[09:22] <popey> ah, that makes sense
[09:22] <popey> which is why update-manager cant find it
[09:22] <popey> thats sub-optimal
[09:22] <wgrant> popey: Only i386 and amd64 are on archive.ubuntu.com.
[09:22] <wgrant> (and powerpc and sparc for older releases)
[09:23] <popey> go buy a dell mini 9 and see what happens when you try to upgrade it via the standard published method
[09:23] <wgrant> The Dell Mini 9 does not come with Ubuntu installed.
[09:23] <wgrant> You should not be trying Ubuntu upgrade instructions on it.
[09:23] <popey> well thats a marketing fail then
[09:24] <wgrant> It comes with an unofficial Ubuntu derivative, Ubuntu Netbook Remix 8.04.
[09:24] <popey> because people in the ubuntu community are buying them believing they have ubuntu
[09:24] <wgrant> It does not use the Ubuntu archive.
[09:24] <popey> that should be better documented
[09:24] <Flannel> I suppose everyone's starting to wake up.  We've only got 300 people this time around, last peak was 713.
[09:24] <popey> Flannel: its not been as well advertised as last time I think
[09:24] <wgrant> US isn't here yet.
[09:25] <Flannel> I think a lot of people aren't really excited about Jaunty also.
[09:25] <popey> hush your mouth!
[09:25] <popey> :)
[09:25] <tonyyarusso> I don't know why not.  It seems better than Intrepid by quite a bit.
[09:27] <popey> people are getting jaded perhaps, complacent
[09:28] <Flannel> Jaunty didnt really have many new features
[09:29] <Flannel> except what, notifications?
[09:29] <Flannel> people *dislike* notifications
[09:30] <wgrant> Flannel: We have no new notifications. They're just differently presented.
[09:30] <Flannel> wgrant: They're unclickable and retarded, from what I hear.
[09:30] <wgrant> Flannel: The unclickability is quite intentional,  and probably a good thing.
[09:30]  * Flannel only upgraded to Hardy a few months ago, isn't really up on all the new fangly bits.
[09:30] <wgrant> They are now just notifications - they appear as translucent overlays and you can click through them.
[09:31] <tonyyarusso> It's true, the new notifications thing is pretty absurd.
[09:31] <wgrant> They don't pop up huge bubbles that require you to click on them to go away.
[09:31] <Flannel> wgrant: unclickable is intentional yes, but a good thing, I doubt.  *I* would never want unclickable notifications.
[09:31] <tonyyarusso> No idea why so much hype was wasted on that.
[09:31] <wgrant> Lots of people love it, lots of people hate it.
[09:31] <Madpilot> the 'new fangly bits' in Hardy included having printer trouble for the first time ever. Was not impressed, hope Jaunty does better...
[09:31] <popey> Madpilot: i plugged a printer into my jaunty setup, its scanner and printer were picked up before i sat back down
[09:31] <popey> started using it immediately \o/
[09:31] <popey> printing win
[09:31] <wgrant> Madpilot: You don't have the problem unless you have filed the bug.
[09:32] <Seeker`> time to go, seeya
[09:32] <Madpilot> wgrant, it was just intermittent enough I never filed a bug...
[09:32] <wgrant> I'd say that Ubuntu's printing support is pretty damn good.
[09:32]  * tonyyarusso can't access the BBC web site...odd
[09:33] <Madpilot> it has been until now. I like zero-config printing... except when it decides to stop working. Powering the printer off then plugging it back in & powering it up again fixed it every time, but still
[09:34] <tonyyarusso> No functional bot in -r-p it seems.
[09:34] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: It's +b
[09:34] <wgrant> Oh.
[09:35] <Flannel> or, +z too
[09:35] <wgrant> I could certainly see its response.
[09:35] <wgrant> But I guess I'm opped.
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: why?
[09:35] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: It and doohicky bot were having at it earlier.
[09:36] <Flannel> You can go ahead and remove the +b, to see... just be aware you may need to replace it if it gets out of hand
[09:36] <tonyyarusso> I gotta go to bed too soon to babysit a bot, so I'll pass.
[09:37] <Flannel> "you" is a general term, but whatever
[09:45] <tonyyarusso> Looks like we have a pretty decent showing of higher-ups in -r-p already
[09:46] <wgrant> No RM, though.
[09:47] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: higher ups ?
[09:47] <tonyyarusso> wgrant: nope.
[09:47] <wgrant> ikonia: Canonical releasy people.
[09:47] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: Important dev-types, Canonical employees, etc.
[09:47]  * tonyyarusso set hilights on a bunch of them.
[09:48] <tonyyarusso> The RM and sabdfl are still notably absent.
[09:48] <tonyyarusso> (But online)
[09:48] <wgrant> I imagine slangasek's asleep.
[09:49] <wgrant> Hm, no, he's not.
[09:50] <tonyyarusso> nope
[09:50] <ikonia> I imagine sabdfl has better things to do than sit in a channel saying "woot" 1000000 times
[09:51] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: You would think, but then, you never know.... ;)
[09:57] <tonyyarusso> You know what would be a rather spiffy?  A system for sending an SMS upon release.
[09:58] <wgrant> tonyyarusso: Email.
[09:59] <tonyyarusso> wgrant: But how?
[10:00] <wgrant> tonyyarusso: Receive email on your phone.
[10:00] <tonyyarusso> 160 characters isn't enough to display the confirmation e-mail needed to subscribe with mailman.
[10:01] <tonyyarusso> I suppose I could create a filter in gmail.  Boo.
[10:13] <wgrant> They are being surprisingly well-behaved.
[10:19] <popey> yeah
[10:19] <wgrant> Although they are creating channels in your namespace.
[10:21] <wgrant> Alright, I'm off to dinner. Although it doesn't look like anythings going to go bad.
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> tsimpson: They should know better - just do a remove on link-posting.
[10:46] <elky> ikonia, he usually joins on the day, so he'll appear sometime tomorrow
[10:46] <elky> wgrant, who is creating what channels?
[10:47] <wgrant> elky: Somebody was told off for creating some earlier, and I saw recently somebody said they'd created #ubuntu-seeders.
[10:48] <ikonia> oh good
[10:50] <wgrant> ...
[10:56] <Myrtti> pwuh
[11:05] <Madpilot> I just realized I'm going to be AFK for all of tomorrow. no release day insanity for me...
[11:05] <elky> wgrant, ugh, they still havent fixed the eeepc701 launcher issue.
[11:05] <elky> Madpilot, you sound so dissapointed!
[11:06] <wgrant> elky: Have you filed a bug?
[11:06] <elky> wgrant, i metoo'd a bug
[11:06] <wgrant> elky: OK, good.
[11:07] <elky> wgrant, it's the vid card choking on the compositing in clutter i suspect
[11:07] <elky> but that's an epic regression, to make UNR unusable for all 701s
[11:08] <Madpilot> elky, I need my monthly  quota of kickbans, release days are good for making quota :)
[11:08] <wgrant> elky: Bug #?
[11:09] <Myrtti> I've got a bad feeling about nytrix in -r-p
[11:09] <elky> wgrant, trying to find it
[11:09] <wgrant> Myrtti: Same...
[11:10] <Myrtti> bugabundo is getting there too...
[11:10] <Madpilot> there's several in -r-p rapidly earning enough rope
[11:10] <wgrant> Yep.
[11:10] <popey> tsk, bugabundo should know better
[11:11] <wgrant> I know.
[11:11] <elky> popey, s/should/does/
[11:11] <popey> well, indeed
[11:12] <thirdwheel> ah, this is where they all hide when their super powers aren't needed... neat
[11:12] <Madpilot> am amused
[11:15] <wgrant> Now the PMs roll in at high velocity...
[11:15] <Madpilot> toyo's gone from -r-p
[11:16] <Madpilot> Godwinated himself
[11:16] <Myrtti> thank god for that
[11:16] <wgrant> Excellent.
[11:16] <Madpilot> "<toyo|desk> you are just mad cuz you wanna be natzi"
[11:17] <elky> wgrant, it's um... i cant find it :-/
[11:18] <elky> wgrant, did lp have a meltdown any time in the past week?
[11:18] <wgrant> elky: No, surprisingly.
[11:18] <wgrant> It has been up all week, IIRC!
[11:18] <wgrant> A first.
[11:18] <elky> then where the heck has this crap gone
[11:18] <elky> wgrant, hah, better than i can say for cerium
[11:18] <wgrant> elky: Yeah.
[11:18] <wgrant> elky: Did you see it was down again today?
[11:19] <elky> i didnt see, but it wouldnt surprise me
[11:19] <elky> i see now. still not surprised
[11:19] <elky> they *really* need to figure wth is doing that
[11:20] <wgrant> They do.
[11:21] <Madpilot> idiotic linkage. dealt with.
[11:21] <jussi01> Madpilot: probably best not to tell them idiot though ;)
[11:21] <Madpilot> even if true?
[11:21] <Madpilot> :)
[11:22] <jussi01> even then. :D
[11:24] <wgrant> Hahah.
[11:24] <wgrant> This is amusing.
[11:25] <Madpilot> we're over 1500 in #u too. Fun.
[11:25] <Myrtti> could someone explain the idiots the mechanics of rsync?
[11:25] <wgrant> Myrtti: I've tried.
[11:25] <wgrant> Myrtti: It doesn't work.
[11:30] <elky> wgrant, um... no torrent file for UNR?
[11:32] <jussi01> is it out yet? is it out yet? *g*
[11:32] <jussi01> :P
[11:33] <tsimpson> I hate everyone right now...
[11:33]  * jpds hugs tsimpson.
[11:34] <jussi01> tsimpson: I hate you too :P
[11:34] <Madpilot> so tempting to run /cs kb * in -r-p... sooo tempting
[11:34] <jussi01> Madpilot: nah, just use clear :D
[11:35] <Madpilot> I'm not even sure the op-script I use accepts wildcards, but so tempting to find out
[11:35] <jpds> Madpilot: No, I find +m more tempting.
[11:35] <Madpilot> yes, but it's much less evil than a mass kickban
[11:35] <tsimpson> +m is still distracting
[11:35] <tsimpson> thanks ubot2` 
[11:36] <jussi01> hehe
[11:38]  * Pricey messes with topic and fails ever so slightly
[11:39] <tsimpson> jussi01: Nytrix and Newb`s in #u please
[11:39] <ikonia> Pricey: = fail, then end
[11:39] <Madpilot> Keybuk is having fun in -r-p now :)
[11:39] <Madpilot> backing the ISO up onto floppies indeed
[11:39] <wgrant> Good to see them in there.
[11:40] <tsimpson> jussi01: you missed Nytrix
[11:40] <ikonia> ughhh serial ban dodger trying hard to get in in +1
[11:41] <elky> so long as 'try' is the operative...
[11:41] <ikonia> think got all his attempts covered for the moment
[11:41] <tsimpson> eek
[11:41] <jussi01> you are welcome :D
[11:44] <Newb`s> Hi
[11:44] <Newb`s> Ubuntu 9.04 is out
[11:44] <tsimpson> please explain to everyone here why you think it's ok to post links
[11:44] <tsimpson> no, it's not
[11:44] <tsimpson> there, you failz
[11:44] <Newb`s> it's out
[11:44] <Newb`s> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[11:44] <jussi01> no, its not out
[11:44] <Newb`s> Not on the front page but we can download it
[11:45] <tsimpson> until it's on the front page of ubuntu.com and the announcement email is send, it's not out
[11:45] <jussi01> Newb`s: We have done this several times already ;)
[11:45] <ikonia> Newb`s: we do you feel you are better qualified than ubuntu to say when THEIR release is out ?
[11:45] <ikonia> s/we/why
[11:46] <Newb`s> When the "official" annoucment will be done, the Bandwidth won't be good
[11:46] <wgrant> Newb`s: Torrents.
[11:46] <Newb`s> Now on ddl we can have 1Mio/sec
[11:47] <Newb`s> wgrant: I use torrents
[11:47] <Newb`s> But some people can't use them (restriction)
[11:47] <ikonia> Newb`s: so if you want bandwidth - why are you telling other people where to get it now ?
[11:47] <ikonia> Newb`s: how about let canonical/ubuntu launch/release their own product when they want
[11:47] <Newb`s> ikonia: I don't want bandwidth for me
[11:47] <Newb`s> I have already downloaded it from torrents
[11:47] <ikonia> Newb`s: then let other people worry about it
[11:48] <Newb`s> And Now I'm seeding
[11:49] <Newb`s> Let's wait for canonical announce so
[11:49] <ikonia> yes, that is the most sensible thing to do 
[11:50] <Newb`s> the CD iso is the same as the last daily-build
[11:52] <bazhang> zomglololol is hamburgerfriesan known element in -ot
[11:54] <jussi01> Newb`s: alright then, if you have nothing further, please part
[11:55] <ikonia> serial ban dodger now becoming a pain in +1
[11:55] <bazhang> chronic? ikonia 
[11:55] <ikonia> no
[11:56] <ikonia> Marcusdavidus
[11:56] <bazhang> aha
[11:56] <ikonia> using multiple nicks/ips 
[11:57] <ikonia> thing is he was muted for something minor and he just kicked off with abuse, if he just chillded out for 2 seconds it would have been resolved but he's just behaving like a jerk trying to dodge
[11:57] <bazhang> whoa that stinks
[11:57] <ikonia> now he's making threats that he's going to kick down my doors ????
[11:57] <ikonia> he's a grown man....????
[12:04] <marcusdavidus> is ikonia here?
[12:04] <ikonia> yup
[12:04] <ikonia> hi
[12:04] <marcusdavidus> i dont like u 
[12:05] <ikonia> ok
[12:05] <marcusdavidus> if u keep ban me becosue i call u 40 years old mac user i  will call u other names 
[12:05] <jussi01> marcusdavidus: is there something we can help you with?
[12:05] <marcusdavidus> yes ikonia ban me becouse i call him 40 years old mac user
[12:06] <Madpilot> right, because showing up here and continuing to call ops names is SUCH a great way to argue your case...
[12:06] <marcusdavidus>  after he  gimem me 10 useless links and dont restand my problem and act liek i was be 10 years old idiot who cannot use bash 
[12:06] <jussi01> 10 useless links?
[12:06] <marcusdavidus> yep 
[12:06] <jussi01> you mean the links on how to behave on IRC?
[12:07] <ikonia> jussi01: no it was a bot factoid to help him with his problem
[12:07] <marcusdavidus> yep
[12:07] <tsimpson> you should probably give them a look
[12:07] <ikonia> the irc ones came after the behaviour 
[12:07] <marcusdavidus> yep but this was not any help sience this links are outdated
[12:07] <marcusdavidus> and i ask one simply question si anyone make succefull upgrade from itnrepid to jaunty rc i dont ask gimme oinks to man pages
[12:08] <jussi01> marcusdavidus: and just why do you think that because you didnt get quite what you think you are after, you can behave in this way?
[12:08] <marcusdavidus> in what way ?
[12:08] <bazhang> rude
[12:08] <jussi01> calling operators names, being rude?
[12:08] <marcusdavidus>  i say that he  act loike 40 years old mac user
[12:08] <marcusdavidus>  is all than he ban me 
[12:08] <bazhang> not so.
[12:09] <bazhang> the channel has logs, you know.
[12:09] <marcusdavidus> yep so show me 
[12:10] <ikonia> marcusdavidus: you can search through logs for your behaviour if you want, I don't see why I or others should bother when your acting poorly 
[12:10] <marcusdavidus> nope i will not search for anything i say why u ban me if u say is not truth prove me wrong 
[12:10] <ikonia> on the day you where banned I asked you to join here to discuss it, you joined other ubuntu channels to complain about it and sent rude pm's to me, I told you on that day - I would not discuss it with you until you could do so calmly
[12:11] <marcusdavidus> i send rude pm to u today after u ban me again without reazon
[12:11] <ikonia> 17:35 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with marcusdavidus
[12:11] <ikonia> 17:35 <ikonia> you can speak in the channel again when you can talk to people
[12:11] <ikonia> that was on he day of the ban
[12:11] <marcusdavidus> show first ban 
[12:11] <ikonia> 17:37 <marcusdavidus> i have no idea who the hell u think u are but if u act like 13 years old usa retyard i teach u good manners
[12:11] <ikonia> 17:38 <ikonia> let me know when you want to talk about it without being rude
[12:11] <ikonia> that was on the day of the ban
[12:11] <marcusdavidus> this was after u ban me first time
[12:11] <ikonia> yes, directly after I banned you
[12:11] <marcusdavidus> show reazon fro first ban 
[12:11] <ikonia> you asked for proof of your behaviour - there it is
[12:12] <ikonia> and as I said at the time, I'm not discussing it futher until you can do so politley
[12:12] <marcusdavidus> shoow reazon to first ban imho
[12:12] <ikonia> you asked for proof of your behaviour - there it is
[12:12] <ikonia> and as I said at the time, I'm not discussing it futher until you can do so politley
[12:12] <ikonia> thats the last I'll say on the matter 
[12:12] <marcusdavidus>  yep i go angry after  first ban
[12:12] <marcusdavidus>  becosue u ban me for nothing
[12:12] <ikonia> marcusdavidus: search the logs and re-read the incident
[12:12] <ikonia> @logs > marcusdavidus 
[12:13] <ikonia> (ubottu will pm them to you ASAP)
[12:13] <ikonia> !log > marcusdavidus 
[12:13] <ikonia> sorry my mistake
[12:14] <marcusdavidus> omfg screw it i found answer for my video problem in google and im going back to gentoo  u ubuntu ppl should grow up imho cyu
[12:14] <bazhang> nice
[12:15] <Madpilot> tres mature
[12:15] <Madpilot> with slanty bit over that first e
[12:17] <ikonia> 12:15 < marcusdavidus>  ma ktos problem z odtwarzaniem   video na jaunty po upgradzie z intrepida?
[12:17] <ikonia> in -pl - looks like he's not fixed his video issue :)
[12:17] <ikonia> I've fixed it, but I need to ask for help still ?
[12:17] <elky> ikonia, you must act beyond your years ;)
[12:18] <ikonia> elky: I'm actaully 52 ;) 
[12:18] <ikonia> (kidding) 
[12:18] <elky> i figured
[12:19] <Myrtti> ok, I need to hit the shower
[12:19] <ikonia> do'nt hurt it
[12:20] <elky> you make the jokes of a 50yrold though :P
[12:20] <ikonia> clearly
[12:20] <ikonia> my best gags are 50 years old
[12:20] <jussi01> ikonia: stop lying, you are 63
[12:20] <ikonia> jussi01: no , I LOOK 63....I'm actually much younger
[12:20] <elky> i'm guessing he's early 30s. i seriously dont know
[12:21] <jussi01> oh... right... so you are now claiming ot be benjamin button?
[12:21] <ikonia> is it wrong that I'm chuckling to myself that marcusdavidus is struggling in -pl to get his video issue fixed.....after claiming screw you I have it fixed anyway
[12:21] <wgrant> April 30.
[12:21] <ikonia> jussi01: no, I'm brad pitt
[12:21] <jussi01> *g*
[12:21] <ikonia> honest
[12:21] <elky> ikonia, not really. it just means you haven't been op long enough, hehe
[12:22] <Madpilot> right, I really do need to crash. Far past my bedtime. Have fun with the lunatics, trolls and noobs, everyone.
[12:22] <ikonia> night
[12:30] <wgrant> Even robbiew is at it. Wow.
[12:36] <elky> bwahaha. proprietary wifi driver is b0rked too
[12:40] <tsimpson> neurobuntu_: can we help?
[12:40] <neurobuntu_> sorry just saw somepost something about this channel, i joined to read the channel title
[12:41] <tsimpson> then please don't idle here
[12:41] <neurobuntu_> "these aren't the droids I'm looking for" I'll move along
[12:41] <nixzs> hi
[12:41] <nixzs> tsimpson: plesae unban me
[12:41] <tsimpson> PalZer0: can we help you?
[12:41] <nixzs> the other ip
[12:41] <PalZer0> oh crap.....i thought the channel was invite only
[12:41] <PalZer0> i be gone
[12:41] <tsimpson> nixzs: why did you change your IP to get around the ban?
[12:41] <tsimpson> you could have just /msg'd me to ask about it
[12:42] <nixzs> I did'nt, besides because I don't wanna miss the announcement
[12:42] <tsimpson> then you should follow the rules, yes?
[12:42] <nixzs> but I need my former ip unbanned please
[12:42] <nixzs> I am now
[12:43] <tsimpson> if you follow the rules and stop telling people it's released when it's not announced
[12:43] <tsimpson> then you can rejoin
[12:43] <nixzs> wow, that wasn't me at all
[12:43] <nixzs> I am waiting for  the CHANNEL's announcement
[12:44] <nixzs> will the announcement be caps lock or something similar to make it clear ?
 tsimpson: no, before I checked both folders Jaunty and 9.04 and both hod RC on the name. Now they don't. So something gotta be changed
 as I said I am not blind
[12:45] <nixzs> tsimpson: c,mon give me another chance
[12:45] <tsimpson> if you agree not to ask questions like "is it out yet" and "when will it be out", then I will
[12:46] <tsimpson> and yes, we'll make it known that it's released
[12:46] <nixzs> ok, I've already out-asked that question
[12:47] <tsimpson> your original host is unbanned
[12:47] <nixzs> thanks a lot!!!
[12:47] <tsimpson> no problem
[12:48] <tsimpson> you can part here now
[12:48] <Seeker`> got "Turkish man takes an interest?" from guru_ in PM
[12:48] <Seeker`> he is in #u
[12:57] <Seeker`> http://cjo20.pastebin.com/m23df601a
[12:57] <nixzs> ha ha, party here
[12:57] <Pici> no.
[12:57] <nixzs> is not the same thought
[12:57] <Pici> !idle
[13:00] <nixzs> ok bye
[13:02] <ikonia> Pici is the factoid king
[13:02] <ikonia> Pici: that was a record in #ubuntu for factoids in under a minute
[13:10] <Seeker`> 15:09:57- guru_: to eat a banana like a big turkish_?
[13:11] <tsimpson> Seeker`: just /ignore them
[13:11] <tsimpson> they aren't even in #ubuntu any more
[13:14] <Seeker`> fair enough
[13:15] <wgrant> An elmo!
[13:15] <tsimpson> not as if there was much anyone can do even if they were
[13:15] <tsimpson> as it's nothing in the channel
[13:17] <brinstar> can i be unbanned from release party, i didnt know i wasnt supposed to post links
[13:18] <tsimpson> did you not read the topic?
[13:18] <bazhang> as it is says in the /topic: do NOT post links?
[13:18] <brinstar> guess not
[13:19] <ikonia> brinstar: who banned you please
[13:19] <brinstar> tsimpson: 
[13:20] <ikonia> brinstar: when where you banned ?
[13:20] <brinstar> about 2 hrs ago
[13:20] <jpds> WTF at -r-p?
[13:20] <jpds> Oh, d.c.c.
[13:20] <ikonia> jpds: /part is your friend
[13:21] <bazhang> sandman did the exploit
[13:21] <brinstar> can u ub me then
[13:21] <brinstar> ive learnt my lesson
[13:23] <sponzor> why cant i get to #ubuntu-release-party
[13:23] <bazhang> sponzor, how may we help you
[13:24] <tsimpson> bazhang: <FloodBot2> sponzor has requested an exploit test, but is not known as a victim
[13:24] <brinstar> can you unban me
[13:24] <tsimpson> PartyBot forwarded them but has no way to test/unban!
[13:24] <sponzor> i m confused :))
[13:25] <brinstar> man what is your problem
[13:25] <shadeslayer> um i have a problem
[13:25] <shadeslayer> one sec
[13:26] <shadeslayer> -!- Mode change [+e] for user shadeslayer
[13:26] <shadeslayer> 17:50 Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass  firewall)
[13:26] <shadeslayer> 17:50 DCC SEND from SandMan [0.0.0.0 port 0]: ff???f? [0B bytes] requested in channel #ubuntu-release-party
[13:26] <shadeslayer> 17:55 DCC aborted receiving file ff???f? from SandMan
[13:26] <shadeslayer> is that normal?
[13:26] <ikonia> shadeslayer: someone attempted to exploit you
[13:27] <popey> has Assid been banned from r-p?
[13:27] <ikonia> shadeslayer: it is nothing to do with the ubuntu channel, but an individual
[13:27] <shadeslayer> i have no idea
[13:27] <shadeslayer> freenode then
[13:27] <popey> he's back as Assd and banging on about ##ubuntu-seeders
[13:27] <wgrant> bazhang: SpaceHobo is fine.
[13:27] <tsimpson> everyone who was forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topc can now re-join
[13:27] <tsimpson> popey: ## is ok
[13:27] <popey> oh, course
[13:27] <shadeslayer> ikonia: so should i report to freenode
[13:27] <ikonia> shadeslayer: I believe it's already been taken care of
[13:28] <Pici> shadeslayer, ikonia: it was to everyone in -r-p
[13:28] <shadeslayer> ok thanks 
[13:28] <elky> tsimpson, not ok, but not within our stomping ground
[13:28] <tsimpson> elky: ## is not
[13:28] <elky> that's what i said. it's not within our stomping ground
[13:28] <tsimpson> oh, you mean in -r-p
[13:28] <wgrant> Looks like we are about to go.
[13:28] <tsimpson> well, it's only for today, but yeah
[13:29] <elky> as for abuse of the ubuntu name, all the ## channels are doing so
 ?  <--nick of the day
[13:29] <elky> especially the one whose twitter account is spreading the link pre-release and contributing to the release being later than it should be because of extra server strain.
[13:31] <Seeker`> there must be a better way of distributing the isos without making them public
[13:31] <Pici> http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/23/ubuntu-9-04-jaunty-jackalope-is-gold-ready-for-download/ links to the iso page too :/
[13:31] <wgrant> Seeker`: That's .pool.
[13:31] <wgrant> Pici: You'd think they'd know better than that...
[13:31] <ikonia> that's really poor
[13:31] <Pici> wgrant: I would, but I guess not.
[13:32] <Seeker`> wgrant: thats public though
[13:32] <wgrant> Seeker`: It has to be public, or the mirrors can't mirror it...
[13:33] <Seeker`> wgrant: are you trying to tell me there isn't a way of transferring data from computer A to computer B without making it public to the whole internnet?
[13:33] <ikonia> Seeker`: they allow anonymous mirroring, so in that situation, no 
[13:33] <wgrant> What ikonia said.
[13:33] <wgrant> The mirrors aren't all registered.
[13:33] <tsimpson> make sure to +m when announcing
[13:33] <Seeker`> why not distribute it to the official ones "secretly"
[13:34] <Seeker`> then you'll at least have a decent base when everyone starts leeching the b/w
[13:36] <bazhang> michael_wigren, how may we assist you
[13:37] <michael_wigren> @bazhang I was booted to #ubuntu-read-topic where it was suggested I come here to see if my router is exploitable. 
[13:38] <tsimpson> michael_wigren: if you mean in #ubuntu-release-party you can join whenever you want
[13:40] <eagles0513875> hey guys is it possible to get unbanned now that jaunty is releasing
[13:40] <Myrtti> eagles0513875: how can we help you?
[13:41] <eagles0513875> i was banned until jaunty release is it possible to get that ban lifted so i can contribute to the community by fixing bugs etc
[13:41] <Myrtti> it's not released yet
[13:41] <eagles0513875> any chance to get the banned removed or not just yet
[13:42] <Myrtti> eagles0513875: we've got our hands full with the release right now, if you can wait after it's over
[13:42] <eagles0513875> ok 
[13:42] <Seeker`> eagles0513875: If you were told to come back here to discuss it after the release, then I suggest that is what you do
[13:42] <eagles0513875> fine
[13:42] <bazhang> from +1?
[13:42] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you keep saying about fixing bugs yet you keep saying you don't know how to fix bugs
[13:42] <Pici> I poked Hobbsee about it, shes going to think about what should be done.  Its her ban.
[13:43] <ikonia> Pici: my personal stance is not
[13:43] <ikonia> for the records
[13:43] <tsimpson> yay for +m
[13:43] <ikonia> he's been a pain in more channels and uses this bug fixing nonsense asn an excuse, you don't need access to the development channels to "fix bugs" more so when you no zero programming language
[13:45] <Seeker`> 3 h ours till the end of work today \o/
[13:45] <bazhang> he was in freenode yesterday asking to become staffer
[13:45] <Myrtti> please, make the pain go away, release the damn thing
[13:46] <ikonia> Seeker`: 1 hour for me - I think :)
[13:46] <Seeker`> ikonia: you heading to london release aprty?
[13:46]  * Myrtti is packing up in Warboys to leave soon
[13:47] <ikonia> well, as I'm on the edge of London and probably in London later I thought I may pop over
[13:48] <Seeker`> ikonia: whereabouts are you now then?
[13:49] <wgrant> Are these fake PartyBots permissible?
[13:49] <tsimpson> if they are actually bots, no. if they are people pretending to be bots, maybe
[13:49] <ikonia> Seeker`: by tower hil
[13:49] <ikonia> hill
[13:50] <wgrant> They are people.
[13:50] <Seeker`> ikonia: closer than I am at the moment then
[13:50] <ikonia> Seeker`: I'm about to head a little futher out first
[13:50] <Seeker`> ikonia: out east?
[13:51] <ikonia> trying to work it out........west I think, yes, west bound platform
[13:51] <tsimpson> wgrant: if they get annoying/distracting then we'll have to "deal" with them
[13:51] <Seeker`> ikonia: fair enough; i
[13:51] <wgrant> tsimpson: They seem to have quietened down now.
[13:51] <Seeker`> m going to be getting in to euston around 5
[13:53] <tsimpson> if they get annoying just +q
[13:54] <ikonia> Seeker`: I don't know London that well so I have to assume
[13:54] <Seeker`> ikonia: fair enough
[13:55] <bazhang> o/
[13:55] <Hobbsee> greetings
[13:55] <Seeker`> hai
[13:55] <ikonia> howdy Hobbsee 
[13:55] <bazhang> hi!
[13:57] <Pici> The website has been updated.
[13:57] <wgrant> It has.
[13:57] <tsimpson> yep
[13:57] <bazhang> hehe
[13:57] <wgrant> Still no slangasek, though...
[13:57] <tsimpson> someone +m and actually announce
[13:57] <Hobbsee> damn!  I haven't got hte torrent files out yet!
[13:58] <ikonia> Hobbsee: it's out ! 

[13:58] <Seeker`> please and the misery
[13:59] <elky> Hobbsee, the kubuntu torrent files dont seem to want to behave
[14:01] <Hobbsee> ah
[14:01]  * Hobbsee is trying to figure out if these are ubuntu or kubuntu
[14:01] <Hobbsee> oh, they're ubuntu
[14:16] <ikonia> release day is rubbish
[14:16] <tsimpson> ubottu: channel #ubuntu supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease jaunty
[14:16] <tsimpson> ubottu: channel #kubuntu supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease jaunty
[14:16] <tsimpson> ubottu: channel #ubuntu-offtopic supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease jaunty
[14:17] <tsimpson> hmm, easier to do
[14:17] <tsimpson> ubottu: config supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease jaunty
[14:19] <Pici> ...
[14:19] <Pici> @login
[14:19] <Pici> oh
[14:19] <Pici> @login
[14:20] <wgrant> Pici: s/Intrepid/Jaunty/
[14:20] <bazhang> hehe
[14:20] <Pici> whoops
[14:20] <Pici> !torrents =~ s/Intrepid/Jaunty/
[14:20] <bazhang> sorry to mess it up Pici 
[14:24] <Pici> Updated !jaunty and !intrepid accordingly.
[14:25] <ikonia> Pici: you are fast today, kudos
[14:33] <tsimpson> !search intrepid
[14:34] <tsimpson> !shipit
[14:34] <tsimpson> !queue
[14:34] <tsimpson> !download
[14:34] <wgrant> tsimpson: Drop Edubuntu from !shipit
[14:34] <Pici> !shipit =~ s/Intrepid (8.10)/Jaunty (9.04)/
[14:34] <Pici> !shipit =~ s/Intrepid (8\.10)/Jaunty (9.04)/
[14:34] <tsimpson> !shipit
[14:34] <Pici> bah
[14:34] <tsimpson> I think the () confuses it
[14:34] <tsimpson> regex and all
[14:35] <Pici> Yeah
[14:36] <Pici> !shipit
[14:37] <tsimpson> !queue ~= s/intrepid/jaunty/
[14:37] <Pici> !intelbrick
[14:37] <tsimpson> !download ~= s/Intrepid/Jaunty/
[14:37] <wgrant> That one can probably die.
[14:37] <Pici> !forget intelbrick
[14:37] <Pici> wgrant: Indeed.
[14:38] <tsimpson> !search intrepid
[14:38] <tsimpson> better
[14:49] <Daskreech> Hi
[14:49] <Daskreech> Just sent an update for torrents for the kubuntu channel
[14:49] <bazhang> nice :)
[14:50] <Pici> I actually just updated it a few minutes ago
[14:50] <Pici> !torrents
[14:50] <Pici> !torrents-#kubuntu
[14:50] <Pici> er
[14:50] <LjL> wouldn't it be better to use put torrent.ubuntu.com in those factoids?
[14:50] <Daskreech> That only has the DVD
[14:56] <tsimpson> has anyone closed down +1 yet?
[14:56] <ikonia> I can clear it :)
[14:56] <bazhang> seems so
[14:56] <Pici> gnomefreak asked me to keep it open
[14:56] <ikonia> ah
[14:56] <ikonia> still seems quite a few people in there
[14:57] <bazhang> though I fled when pici opped up
[14:57] <tsimpson> don't we usually +f #ubuntu-release-party ?
[14:57] <Pici> tsimpson: We do
[14:57] <tsimpson> good, I'm not too tied that I'm imagining things
[14:57] <LjL> actually we usually forwarded to #ubuntu, only last time i insisted for forwarding to -r-p
[14:58] <Daskreech> \o/
[14:58] <LjL> and then, forwarding -r-p to -offtopic because that's wonderfully evil.
[14:58] <Daskreech> -f to #edubuntu
[14:59] <bazhang> hehe
[14:59] <tsimpson> nah, +f #debian
[14:59] <popey> #gobuntu :)
[14:59] <tsimpson> lets be evil
[15:00] <LjL> tsimpson: they can be more evil than you :(
[15:00] <LjL> srsly
[15:00] <tsimpson> that's why I don't join #debian
[15:00] <tsimpson> not on freenode anyway
[15:00] <Pici> #archlinux-offtopic
[15:00] <bazhang> yeowch
[15:01] <LjL> Pici: why? they end up there on their own anyway
[15:01] <ikonia> most of them are already in #ubuntu so it won't make a difference
[15:01] <Pici> I thought we were being evil.
[15:02] <LjL> Pici: but as ikonia said, it won't make a difference. no, #debian means being evil - but then you have to face the consequences
[15:02] <Pici> LjL: Fine fine.
[15:02] <tsimpson> WatchBot is going to join/quit a lot if it dies because www.ubuntu.com is down...
[15:02] <LjL> yes
[15:02] <LjL> it shouldn't die, but it does anyway
[15:02] <LjL> there's a connect timeout but apparently it doesn't get respected
[15:02] <tsimpson> yay for obscure bugs
[15:03] <LjL> i thought it was the DNS request that overruled the timeout
[15:03] <LjL> but there's no reason why my DNS servers should be busier today than usual... only the site itself would be
[15:03] <ikonia> more site busy = more look ups
[15:04] <tuxice> Hello, can we get ubot3's jaunty factoid changed?
[15:05] <ikonia> !jaunty 
[15:06] <ikonia> tuxice: what's the problem with it ?
[15:06] <tuxice> Its saying that jaunty is not released yet :D
[15:06] <Pici> ikonia: ubot3 not ubottu 
[15:06] <ikonia> aren't they synced ?
[15:06] <tuxice> ubot3: Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 23rd, 2009 -  Schedule in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule - JAUNTY IS NOT YET RELEASED - Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support - Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party
[15:06] <ubot3> tuxice: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:07] <Pici> They get synced automagically, I'm not sure how often though
[15:07] <tuxice> ubot3: jaunty
[15:07] <ubot3> Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) is the current release of Ubuntu.  Download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810 - Please use !torrents
[15:07] <elky> beeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
[15:07] <tuxice> Huh?
[15:07] <Pici> elky: goodnight
[15:08] <Pici> tuxice: The bot will automatically be synced soon
[15:08] <tuxice> Alright
[15:11] <MTecknology> g'morning :)
[15:12]  * Myrtti is in the train
[15:12] <ikonia> howdy traveller
[15:12]  * genii crawls in and licks coffee residue off the bottom of the emptied -release urn
[15:12] <MTecknology> Flannel: You lied to me. For that I will never forgive you for the next xx minutes
[15:12] <ikonia> MTecknology: ?
[15:13] <MTecknology> ikonia: his estimation of the release time was wrong and I was going to be awake for it.... but holy crap my phone didn't go off and I'm late for work
[15:13] <MTecknology> s/work/class
[15:13] <ikonia> ru
[15:13] <ikonia> run
[15:14] <MTecknology> and shower and everything in the next 15min
[15:16] <tsimpson> "[07:47]* tsimpson guesses between 6 and 8 hours" it was announced at 14:02 here
[15:16]  * tsimpson was right
[15:16] <genii> The servers must be getting hammered right now i suppose
[15:17] <ikonia> looks that way
[15:23] <MTecknology> Flannel: ok... I guess you were right, I should have woke up on time :P
[15:41] <Flannel> MTecknology: Hmm?
[15:41] <MTecknology> Flannel: love you L(
[15:41] <MTecknology> :)*
[15:42] <Flannel> MTecknology: Isn't it a nice feeling though?  Wake up to a new day, and a new Ubantu?
[15:43] <MTecknology> ya it is. Trying to start torrents
[15:44] <ikonia> woot, etc etc etc
[15:45] <Myrtti> nearly in london
[15:49] <Flannel> bother.  Anyone got xubuntu torrents?
[15:52] <MTecknology> my hd light isn't stopping right now, I think I'm at my torrent limit
[15:52] <Pici> MTecknology: Is there anything else you need from -ops? You can join #ubuntu-offtopic and discuss Jaunty there :)
[15:53] <MTecknology> eh, that channel isn't my cup a tea, but I can depart from here. 'twas fun
[15:53]  * Pici shrugs
[15:54] <Flannel> We're close to peak in #u... except, I think my peak from last April wasn't the max.
[15:55] <Pici> Peak for #ubuntu@freenode: 1714 (Thu Apr 24 15:07:10 2008)
[15:56] <genii> Hm. 1697 currently
[16:01] <genii> Pici: Is that "how can I hack stuff" guy PMing you or so? 
[16:06] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-release-party, its_out_right_no said: !when is netbook release
[16:07] <Pici> genii: no
[16:07] <genii> OK
[16:22] <Flannel> Pici: yeah, that's what I've got too.  I suppose I didn't miss it.
[16:31] <nalioth> wow, we're breaking records 1716 people in #ubuntu 
[16:31] <Pici> Yeah :)
[16:39] <Flannel> 1718!
[16:51] <popey> Twelvety!
[16:54] <jussi01> elevnty one!!11!!1
[16:58] <Madpilot> is rww in #u spouting utter crack? "running 64bit OS on 32bit arch is more secure - it's uncrackable"
[16:58] <Madpilot> oh, nevermind. Am an idiot in need of more tea
[16:58] <LjL> uh, rww is usually not an idiot
[16:59] <Madpilot> yea, I know. he was making a joke, and I didn't catch the smily
[16:59] <Pici> Its -offtopic anyway
[16:59] <Madpilot> and yes, it was ot, not u
[17:00] <Madpilot> and I very seriously need less blood in my caffeinestream
[17:19] <Myrtti> London wohooooo
[17:28] <Madpilot> off again - have fun, everyone
[17:33] <jpds> !staff | http://paste.ubuntu.com/156618/
[17:35] <jpds> Triggered by using !fact in #ubuntu.
[17:36] <Pici> Why is that a staff issue?
[17:36] <jpds> Cos it spams the crap out of anyone using factoids.
[17:37] <jpds> (And it could be in places I can't see right now)
[17:37] <Pici> I'm pretty sure it was a user earlier tdoay.
[17:37] <jpds> [!] :   ircname : Bot
[17:37]  * jpds EODs and out.
[17:37]  * Pici greps logs
[17:58] <Seeker> Hi
[18:04]  * jussi01 thwacks ikonia
[18:05] <Pici> Anyone happen to know what noncdn.releases.ubuntu.com is?
[18:06] <Seeker> Anyone happen to know what people at the london party look like?
[18:12] <jussi01> Seeker: I know what Myrtti looks like...
[18:12] <jussi01> :D
[18:12] <Pici> I need to get back to work, can't watch #ubuntu anymore.
[18:12] <Seeker> I'm outside, don't know what anyone looks like
[18:15] <Seeker> Jussi01 am on my mobile phone
[18:15] <jussi01> Seeker: theres a pic there...
[18:16] <Seeker> Will have to quit to look
[18:16] <jussi01> Seeker: what kind of rubbish mobile you have?
[18:17] <Seeker> K770 the app is rubbish
[18:17] <jussi01> isnt jono gonna be there? thought he was in blighty atm
[18:18] <Seeker> Dunno can't see anyone i recognise
[18:19] <Seeker> Back soon
[18:40]  * genii sips
[18:41] <genii> Although after 2 or so hours of sleep coffee may not be enough to keep me lucid today
[19:16] <eagles0513875> hey guys i hav ea ban that was until jaunty release which has just been released can i get the ban lifted 
[19:23] <Daskreech> what?
[19:30] <Pici> Ugh.  I need to go to a meeting, can someone please take care of -offtopic?
[19:30] <Pici> topyli perhaps?
[19:31] <topyli> Pici: a bit busy, can't babysit full time. i can take only take occasional peeks
[19:32] <topyli> looks like taking care of jackjohnson would go a long way
[19:36] <topyli> meh, he's just "special" it seems
[19:49] <blizzkid> lo all, I'd like to register #ubuntu-cafe but it was registered by a not so active person (last seen January 2009), is it possible to reclaim it?
[19:55] <topyli> blizzkid: hello. i can't help, just saying hi so you know we're not entirely dead :)
[19:57] <blizzkid> :)
[20:14] <blizzkid> I'll just wait for someone else :)
[20:48]  * nixternal wonders why there is a show of @ force in the party room...i find that rather annoying and see it as an ego booster for people
[20:52] <Flannel> blizzkid: What's -cafe for?
[20:54] <ikonia> @bansearch eagles0513875
[21:05] <eagles0513875> hey guys can i talk to someone about my ban
[21:06] <blizzkid> Flannel: I'd like it to be a place to talk about buntu but with lots of room for off topic talk
[21:07] <Flannel> blizzkid: How is that different than #ubuntu-offtopic?
[21:08] <eagles0513875> Flannel: may i talk to you after you have finished discussing blizzkid's irc channel 
[21:08] <blizzkid> Flannel: not really different I guess, but I thought It'd make a nice name
[21:08] <blizzkid> and when trying to register I saw it was owned by a not very active person
[21:09] <blizzkid> Flannel: Would it do harm to have different offtopic chans? imho not
[21:09] <Flannel> blizzkid: We try not to have multiple channels for the same purpose, it just generates confusion.
[21:10] <blizzkid> Flannel: well, I guess you could use cafe for just socializing
[21:10] <blizzkid> and -offtopic for "offtopic ubuntu" chat
[21:11] <Flannel> blizzkid: -offtopic is for socializing, etc.
[21:11] <Pici> Flannel: Technically we've been asked to not interfere if someone wants to create a new Ubuntu channel.
[21:12] <Pici> blizzkid: Unfortunately, no one is around that is able to request that the channel be dropped for use.  
[21:12] <Flannel> Pici: I'm sure that's "new channel" as referring to a channel that serves a new purpose.
[21:12] <blizzkid> Flannel: I see your point, still don't see harm in it though
[21:12] <blizzkid> fact it is registered anyway...
[21:12] <Flannel> Pici: Or do we really want someone creating #ubuntu-support, etc?
[21:12] <topyli> the name is nice, but it does seem like a duplicate of something that already works
[21:13] <topyli> for values of "works" of course :)
[21:13] <ikonia> a channel should have a purpose,
[21:13] <Flannel> Pici: I'd never say no to someone wanting to make #ubuntu-superawesomeproject or whatever for discussion and goings on of superaweseomeproject team
[21:13]  * ikonia is back in the office
[21:14] <blizzkid> I still think it wouldn't harm as it exits anyway
[21:14] <ikonia> blizzkid: if it's registered what's the problem - use it ?
[21:14] <Pici> ikonia: It is registered.
[21:14] <ikonia> great, so what's the problem ?
[21:14] <topyli> blizzkid: can you not contact the person who currently owns it?
[21:14] <blizzkid> topyli: he was last seen Jan 2009...
[21:14] <blizzkid> that's my issue
[21:14] <ikonia> that's only a few months ago 
[21:14] <Pici> blizzkid: I'll discuss it with the other Ubuntu IRC Council members and we'll see what we can do to release the channel.  
[21:15] <ikonia> blizzkid: does that stop you using the channel ?
[21:15] <blizzkid> thx Pici 
[21:15] <jussi01> blizzkid: IMHO, we have plenty of offtopic chans already
[21:15] <blizzkid> ikonia: kinda, can't set a topic eg
[21:15] <ikonia> blizzkid: ok, so if someone sets a topic the problem goes away 
[21:15]  * jussi01 imagins genii in #ubuntu-cafe handing out coffees :P
[21:16] <blizzkid> ikonia: as no-one actively manages the chan, I could as well do it
[21:16] <topyli> wll a channel should have live people on the access list
[21:16] <ikonia> what's the problem using offtopic ?
[21:16] <Pici> ikonia: The Community Council has asked us to be cooperative when users want to create new channels in the Ubuntu namespace.
[21:16] <blizzkid> and btw, doesn't the name refer to ubuntu forum levels? ;)
[21:16] <Flannel> Pici: I really don't see a need for a new channel that serves an identical purpose of a channel that already exists.  I know that's not the spirit of the "Don't stop new channels" guideline, even if its within the letter.
[21:16] <ikonia> I appeciate that, I'm trying to understand why ?
[21:16] <Pici> Flannel: Neither do I. But I just think we're being a bit harsh here.
[21:17] <ikonia> in asking the purpose ?
[21:17] <ikonia> I'm questioning the purpose of an identical channel to -offtopic - not stopping just asking the reason ?
[21:17] <blizzkid> also if no-one manages it, no-one can moderate it
[21:17] <ikonia> blizzkid: #ubuntu-offtopic is moderated
[21:18] <blizzkid> ikonia: I'm not talking about offtopic
[21:18] <Flannel> ikonia: He's giving a reason why he can't currently use it.
[21:18] <blizzkid> I'm talking about cafe
[21:18] <ikonia> I missed that
[21:18] <Flannel> ikonia: That's what I'm here for :)
[21:18] <ikonia> what is different about cafe and -offtopic ?
[21:19] <topyli> the channel has 3 users at the moment btw
[21:19] <blizzkid> ikonia: I like the fact that it has the pub sound and the fact it refers to the forum levels
[21:19] <topyli> the name is wonderful
[21:19] <blizzkid> topyli: yeah, some ppl talking in #launchpad joined
[21:19] <blizzkid> coz they were discussing ubuntu
[21:19] <ikonia> I'm sorry but I don't see the point of another official offtopic channel because it has the word cafe rather than offtopic
[21:19] <topyli> looks like the channel could be treated as "new"
[21:20] <ikonia> that's not being harsh, thats me not understanding the point 
[21:20] <blizzkid> ikonia: I don't think you're being harsh you know
[21:20] <genii> jussi01: I'd do the #ubuntu-cafe bartender thing if someone requested it :)
[21:20] <blizzkid> I just try to explain why I personally think it might be a nice chan to have
[21:20] <blizzkid> genii: you'd be welcome :)
[21:21] <ikonia> I simpley don't get it, what's to stop someone opening #ubuntu-pub or #ubuntu-coffeshop because it sounds like their local hang out ?
[21:21] <Pici> Ahem.  I think we should let the IRCC discuss this and then we will get back to you blizzkid.
[21:21]  * topyli sets mode +barista to genii
[21:21] <blizzkid> ikonia: I think they should be able to
[21:21] <ikonia> sorry - didn't mean to question that
[21:21] <genii> Hehe
[21:21] <blizzkid> ok Pici 
[21:22] <topyli> Pici: +1
[21:22] <jussi01> Ok, blizzkidthe resolution is the Council will discus and ge back to you. anything else you need?
[21:22] <Pici> blizzkid: You can either wait in #ubuntu-irc or if you want to PM me your email address we can get back to you that way.
[21:22] <blizzkid> no thx Pici 
[21:22] <Pici> blizzkid: I cannot guarantee that the answer will be today.
[21:24] <blizzkid> np Pici I'll try to leave my pc on or start a screened irssi on my server
[21:24]  * topyli advertises memoserv
[21:25] <topyli> "for all your asynchronous needs"
[21:25] <Flannel> topyli: what? use services the way they were designed to be used? nonsense!
[21:25] <topyli> hehehe
[21:25] <LjL> can i make #ubuntu-ljl?
[21:25] <LjL> i want to
[21:26] <LjL> later i'm going to package myself
[21:26]  * blizzkid svn checkout LjL :p
[21:26] <topyli> libljl0
[21:27] <Flannel> I don't want to ask what the build deps are...
[21:28] <LjL> madness and rage are depends
[21:28] <blizzkid> these are great dep's :)
[21:28] <LjL> sarcasm and obnoxiousness are recommends
[21:29] <LjL> the suggests are humor-bad | humor-ugly
[21:29] <LjL> conflicts with sanity
[21:29] <blizzkid> LjL: what about sarcasm-ultra?
[21:31] <topyli> no public releases yet due to uncertain legal status
[21:33] <ikonia> LjL: I'm sure panarchy will help you package it for his distro
[21:39] <topyli> hahaha
[21:39] <topyli> ubuntu users can easily install using automatix
[21:41] <blizzkid> hmmz, does shipit have an irc channel?
[21:41] <blizzkid> apart from #launchpad I mean?
[21:42] <ikonia> someone else asked the a few days ago, the answer was no
[21:42] <ikonia> hello Z3ro3X 
[21:42] <Z3ro3X> Hey.
[21:42] <ikonia> how can we help ?
[21:42] <blizzkid> ikonia: that's too bad... I'd like to know why I always get such a small amount of cd's (being a local support point) :)
[21:42] <Z3ro3X> I was told to come here to be tested.
[21:43] <ikonia> Z3ro3X: ahhh did you not get auto tested as the /topic suggested ?
 Z3ro3X: Sorry, but I am unable to test you (are you using your usual nickname?). Please contact the operators (type « /topic » to find out how).
[21:43] <LjL> no, because he's not banned, and he's in #ubuntu
[21:43] <Z3ro3X> Most have been a false positive.
[21:44] <ikonia> LjL: ooh
[21:44] <ikonia> well spotted
[21:44] <Z3ro3X> When I rolled out of bed I forgot I left IRC running and when I looked I was in channel #ubuntu-read-topic.
[21:45] <LjL> weird
[21:45] <LjL> i can let the bots test you anyway
[21:45] <LjL> if you're unsure you have that problem
[21:45] <LjL> you can try asking for a test now if you want, it will work
[21:45] <Z3ro3X> But I was also still in #ubuntu
[21:46] <Z3ro3X> Sure, why not.
[21:47] <Z3ro3X> Did you do the test?
[21:47] <jussi01> blizzkid: is there anything else you need from us?
[21:48] <LjL> Z3ro3X: no, you need to say "test me" in -read-topic again yourself
[21:48] <Z3ro3X> Oh.
[21:48] <blizzkid> jussi01: no, I was just hanging around, but if I have to leave I will :)
[21:48] <jussi01> !idle | blizzkid
[21:48] <blizzkid> ok, np :)
[21:48] <LjL> Z3ro3X: you're not vulnerable
[21:48] <blizzkid> see ya
[21:48] <jussi01> thanks
[21:48] <Z3ro3X> * Received a malformed DCC request from FloodBot3.
[21:49] <Z3ro3X> * Contents of packet: DCC SEND 1234567890abcdef
[21:49] <Z3ro3X> What does that mean?
[21:49] <Flannel> Z3ro3X: that means you're not vulnerable.
[21:49] <LjL> Z3ro3X: don't paste that
[21:49] <Z3ro3X> Sorry.
[21:49] <LjL> Z3ro3X: that string is what causes users to get disconnected
[21:49] <Z3ro3X> Thanks every one.
[21:49] <Z3ro3X> Thanks for the help, later.
[21:59] <blizzkid> just a quick question, what does one have to do to become an ubuntu irc moderator?
[22:23] <elky> blizzkid, we choose people who we observe behaving appropriately.
[22:23] <elky> we do not take applications, since 99% of them are 'so i can kick people for fun'
[22:23] <blizzkid> yeah, so true
[22:23] <blizzkid> do you monitor all ubuntu related channels?
[22:24] <blizzkid> I mean the official ones ofcourse
[22:26] <Seeker> Hi
[22:27] <jussi01> blizzkid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam
[22:28] <blizzkid> k, I'll take a peek
[22:28] <blizzkid> see ya
[22:43] <Guest28437> hi
[22:43] <ikonia> hello
[22:43] <Guest28437> i was wandering if i could be allowed back into #ubuntu
[22:43] <ikonia> no
[22:43] <Guest28437> i was told to come me
[22:43] <Guest28437> here*
[22:44] <Guest28437> by ikonia
[22:44] <ikonia> I told you to come here as I didn't want to dicuss it in another channel which is nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:44] <Guest28437> well can someone let be back in?
[22:44] <ikonia> no
[22:44] <Guest28437> not you ikonia
[22:45] <ikonia> I put the ban on you curtis
[22:45] <Guest28437> great
[22:46] <ikonia> if there is nothing else you need curtis, it would be appreciated if you left the channel and went about your irc day 
[22:47] <Guest28437> shut up
[22:47] <ikonia> thank you for justifying my stance 
[22:47] <Guest28437> your welcome ikonia
[22:48] <ikonia> if there is nothing else, please leave and go about your irc day
[22:48] <bazhang> ikonia, your thoughts on removing ban on a7a (aka ahmed)
[22:48] <bazhang> Guest28437, please part the channel
[22:49] <ikonia> Bballfan: please leave if you need nothing else.
[22:50] <bazhang> ikonia, he was flooding nonsense then ban evaded, told him to come back in 48 hrs or so; wanted to know your thoughts on giving him another chance, then if that does not pan out a longer term ban.
[22:50] <ikonia> bazhang: my only gripe is the persistant attempts at ban dodging, but we can discuss this once curtis has left
[22:51] <bazhang> heh
[22:51] <bazhang> they dont seem to be like being called by their nom de troll
[22:51] <ikonia> bazhang: I don't have a problem removing the ban - he seems a competant user, just not aware of the "process"
[22:52] <ikonia> bazhang: if he graps to come here for problems rather than do his own thing, I see no problem 
[22:52] <bazhang> ikonia, agreed, and if he spams more nonsense then lengthen the ban to at least a week
[22:53] <ikonia> I just don't think he knew "good irc manners" 
[22:54] <bazhang> probably right
[22:54] <ikonia> plus the language issue muddies the water
[22:54] <bazhang> o/
[22:54] <Seeker> Hi
[22:55] <bazhang> hi!
[22:55] <Seeker> How be?
[23:01] <bazhang> :0
[23:01] <Seeker2> Tunnels suck
[23:02] <bazhang> better than seeker_clone :)
[23:02] <Seeker2> :)
[23:04]  * Seeker2 met  myrtti
[23:04] <bazhang> w00t!
[23:06] <Seeker2> There were a lot of people i didn't know though
[23:06] <Seeker2> They should have had name badger
[23:46]  * Seeker` returns
[23:46] <Flannel> Done seeking?
[23:46] <Seeker`> yup