[00:09] <gene420> any one have any thoughts on loading xen on an existing ubuntu 8.04 dual xeon server with iptables and ufw , apache server install??
[00:13] <mattt> gene420: what do you mena?
[00:13] <mattt> *mean
[00:14] <gene420> will the routing tables ppoe connection be affected
[00:14] <mattt> that i'm not sure about :/
[00:32] <gene420> any suggestions on making a backup of the server
[00:34] <giovanni> Enter text here... Hello has anyone setup bind 9, and know how to change the setting on Godaddy?
[01:07] <reid> can anyone here help me get VNC to connect? =P
[01:07] <reid> to ubuntu-server running fluxbox
[01:13] <twb> reid: did you install a VNC server?
[01:19] <reid> twb: yes
[01:19] <reid> twb: sorry I was in a different channel
[01:20] <reid> twb: afaik I created an X session as well, on screen 1
[01:28] <twb> reid: on unix, VNC is separate from X.
[01:28] <twb> If you are seeing X on the local head, you have done it wrong.
[01:59] <maodun> I set up a function ssh server a while back and let it sit for a while. I recently tried to connect to it and timed out. When I hooked up a keyboard and mouse and moved around a bit, the ssh server went back up again. Presumably, the machine had gone into some sort of sleep mode or hibernation - any idea where I might disable this?
[01:59] <maodun> s/function/functioning
[02:00] <maodun> s/a while back/a few months ago
[02:01] <twb> If it's an ubuntu-server install, it shouldn't "go to sleep" just because nobody is typing on its local console.
[02:02] <maodun> unfortunately, it wasn't a server install
[02:02] <twb> Unless you installed ubuntu-desktop type stuff, in which case it might
[02:02] <twb> I dunno what's responsible for that in modern systems, though.
[02:03] <foxbuntu> maodun, what type of ssh server is that? (OpenSSH?)
[02:03] <maodun> foxbuntu: yes
[02:03] <foxbuntu> maodun, what version of Ubuntu is it?
[02:05] <foxbuntu> maodun, if your not sure you can run this from a terminal to find out: lsb_release -a
[02:05] <maodun> foxbuntu: hmm, i'm not sure where i get the ubuntu version info. the kernel version is '2.6.27-9-generic'
[02:05] <foxbuntu> ok
[02:05] <maodun> intrepid, ubuntu 8.10
[02:05] <foxbuntu> maodun, I would guess you have power save mode enabled
[02:06] <foxbuntu> maodun, System > Preferences > Power Management
[02:06] <maodun> foxbuntu: i'm on a headless machine atm
[02:06] <maodun> how can i check from the cl
[02:06] <foxbuntu> uh
[02:07] <foxbuntu> hmm, Im not totally sure, let me figure it out
[02:07] <maodun> sorry, 'When I hooked up a keyboard and mouse' actually meant when I had someone do it for me remotely, at an earlier time
[02:08] <foxbuntu> maodun, no worries, just haven't tried to do it this way in quite some time
[02:09] <foxbuntu> maodun, no worries, just haven't tried to do it this way in quite some time
[02:13] <foxbuntu> maodun, I think you cna do it with this: setterm -powersave off
[02:16] <maodun> foxbuntu: hmm, ok, i'll give that a shot. thanks!
[02:16] <foxbuntu> maodun, np
[04:51] <lawlzfries> i wish to upgrade from debian testing/unstable to intrepid. I currently have hoary packages installed, but i cannot run do-release-upgrade, because testing/unstable is not in the meta-release file. I was wondering if i could change my dist to hoary.
[04:53] <genii> Geez, Hoary
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> your running debian testing with ubuntu hoary packages?
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> did i read that correctly?
[04:55] <lawlzfries> i tihnk most of them are hoary packages, yes
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> backup and reinstall. you'll have problems forever if you try and "upgrade" that to intrepid
[04:57] <lawlzfries> so there's nothing i can do? i don't have physical access to the machine.
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> nothing you can do nicely, no. (how you've got hoary packages running on debian testing though, thats the question i'm interested in)
[04:59] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: it was possible - I switched from sid to hoary just by upgrading packages a few at a time
[04:59] <lawlzfries> well i just switched over my sources.list, ran apt-get dist-upgrade, i ran into a few errors because debian's dpkg didn't support "Break", so i found a version on launchpad that worked
[04:59] <ajmitch> that's asking for trouble
[05:00] <genii> Absolutely
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, yeah, its possible (i've done it too), but the work required to get the thing moved over is huge, then you hae wierd bugs as things dont /quite/ work as expected from old files
[05:00] <ajmitch> upgrades across that many releases are not supported because of the amount of transitional code that has to be carried to support those upgrades
[05:01] <lawlzfries> what's the best way of getting ubuntu on this machine if I don't have physical access to it?
[05:03] <ajmitch> with such an install as you have now, it'd be a challenge to find something that'll work
[05:04] <twb> lawlzfries: set up a preseed image, so that it installs without asking questions
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lawlzfries, what level of "I don't have physical access" are we talking?
[05:04] <twb> lawlzfries: or, start a d-i install and anna-install ssh, so you can log into it remotely and complete the install.  That will requre remote monkey hands, though
[05:05] <twb> lawlzfries: finally, if you can access the existing OS, and it is Not ShitTM, you can do an "install from existing Unix system" as described in the installation guide.
[05:05] <lawlzfries> Kamping_Kaiser, it's across the atlantic
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> lawlzfries, thats pretty far.
[05:05] <twb> I recommend against that last, though, because it's a bitch to get grub working properly in that case.
[05:05] <foxbuntu> lawlzfries, what he is getting at is, can you have someone else get access or no?
[05:06] <foxbuntu> I should say "What I think he is getting at"
[05:06] <lawlzfries> oh, sorry I'm a bit of a noob, i can, but the hosting company takes a really long time to do anything :(
[05:07] <foxbuntu> lawlzfries, is this some kind of dedicated server you own?
[05:07] <lawlzfries> i rent it
[05:07] <foxbuntu> ...or did you start installing all of this on some rent-a-server's machine?
[05:08] <lawlzfries> rent-a-server's machine
[05:08] <foxbuntu> well then you have not allot of options then
[05:09] <foxbuntu> im really surprised you have root access to it
[05:09] <lawlzfries> why wouldn't i? i'm renting it
[05:09] <lawlzfries> and it's not a managed server
[05:09] <foxbuntu> oh that explains it
[05:10] <foxbuntu> well back to the point here... sory for the tangent
[05:11] <foxbuntu> I think your really only going to be able to reload the machine as well
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> my advice is pay someone to put in a cd
[05:11] <foxbuntu> otherwise it will likely be unstable forever
[05:12] <twb> lawlzfries: are you able to call the colo monkey on the telephone and tell him what buttons to press?
[05:13] <lawlzfries> i can email them and ask them to load ubuntu on the box, but it'll likely take them a week or so, and i was hoping that i could do this more quickly
[05:14] <lawlzfries> but if i can't, that's just what i'll do
[05:15] <foxbuntu> lawlzfries, well, gl
[05:15] <lawlzfries> just as a last attempt before i email them, can i somehow convince do-release-upgrade that i'm actually running hardy?
[05:15] <ScottK> No.
[05:16] <ScottK> The thing to do (generically) is add old-releases.ubuntu.com to your sources list.
[05:16] <ScottK> I don't think that will help in this case.
[05:17] <lawlzfries> yeah i don't think it will. I would really like to thank everyone who helped me out here! none of that "GTFO
[05:17] <lawlzfries> RTFM" stuff that i've been told about that comes along with the linux community
[05:19] <genii> Thats good to hear once in a while
[05:20] <foxbuntu> yup
[05:20] <foxbuntu> too bad thats turning out to not be so much the case for the UF however
[05:22] <twb> UF?
[05:23] <foxbuntu> Ubuntu Forums
[05:23] <ScottK> The admins there do ban people if there are complaints.
[05:24] <foxbuntu> yea...but it seems like every other thread is a flame war anymore
[05:24] <ScottK> I watched a number of them whining to get their posting rights back in a forums council meeting last week.
[05:24] <ScottK> Dunno.  I'm not a forums kind of guy.
[05:24] <twb> Yeah, well.  IMO forums are for people who don't know how to use a newsreader, nor an MUA.
[05:24] <foxbuntu> yea
[05:24] <ajmitch> for a vaguely on-topic question, does ubiquity support setting up LVM & RAID yet, or should I do a fresh install with a jaunty server ISO?
[05:25] <twb> It doesn't suprise me if web forums are more juvenile than other fora.
[05:25] <twb> cjwatson might know.
[05:25] <twb> I haven't checked lately.
[05:26] <ajmitch> switching hardware to amd64, so I might install ubuntu for a change
[05:26] <ScottK> ajmitch: I vaguely remember something about LVM.  No promises.
[05:30] <twb> ajmitch: if you're installing a server, you should use the server CD anyway -- that DOES support LVM and software RAID, because it uses d-i
[05:31] <twb> Also note that (obviously) amd64 hardware will still run your existing i386 install just fine
[05:31] <ajmitch> twb: it doubles as my personal desktop at work, so I'm not too concerned either way
[05:31] <ajmitch> amd64 because it'll be getting 4GB RAM
[05:32] <twb> IIRC i386 can address up to (and incuding) 4GiB directly...
[05:32] <ajmitch> and it's currently running debian unstable
[05:32] <ajmitch> it can, but the kernel tends to reserve ~800MB or so last I recall
[05:32] <twb> If you say so.  I haven't tried it myself.
[05:32] <twb> Making a server "double" as a desktop is a great way to end up with an unreliable server.
[05:33] <ajmitch> it only really runs samba for 2 other systems in the office, and is used for development
[05:33] <ajmitch> nothing onerous
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.. release party in 3 hours.
[05:37] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, Pacific Time?
[05:37] <ajmitch> I wouldn't mind getting to one of them one day
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, AU central.
[05:37] <twb> Hehe, you actually call it "central time"?
[05:37] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, ah
[05:38] <ajmitch> twb: what else would it be, AESTminusalitltebit?
[05:38] <twb> ajmitch: probably "ah, who cares about .sa.au anyway time"
[05:38] <ajmitch> true
[05:38] <twb> I'm just used to only hearing "central" in the .us context
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, or +9.30, but sometimes thats confusing for people ;)
[05:39] <twb> Kamping_Kaiser: you offset by an half-hour?  That's daft.
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, not my fault!
[05:39] <twb> Unless you're talking about DST (which is daft of itself).
[05:39] <twb> I mean, .wa.au is +8 and .vic.au is +10, so by rights .sa.au ought to be +9
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> here is either +9.30 or +10.30 depending on DST
[05:40] <ajmitch> and .nz +12
[05:40] <ajmitch> which is far easier to remember
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, yes, but that would make sense.
[05:42] <foxbuntu> and im -6 :(
[05:42] <foxbuntu> ;)
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, ;o get with the program
[05:43] <foxbuntu> I will be when I arrive at UDS :D
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. wheres the next one?
[05:43] <foxbuntu> Barcelona
[05:43] <ScottK> I've lived on UTC, so it was always 0.
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> no matter my offset, its just reached "food" oclock. (at least some things arn't affected)
[05:48] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:48]  * foxbuntu is eattin as well
[05:48] <ScottK> Once this SRU is finished building, it's off to bed with me.
[05:49] <ScottK> OTOH, it's intrepid.  It's not like anyone still uses that.
[05:49] <ScottK> Good night all.
[05:50] <lamont> NCommander: Linux zx 2.6.28-6-ia64-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 08:31:56 UTC 2009 ia64 GNU/Linux
[05:50] <lamont> upgrade from intrepid+hardy kernel
[06:03] <twb> At least .sa.au has Internode.
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, hehe.
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> used to be better, but still pretty good
[06:22] <foxbuntu> 24M connection at home would be nice
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah. wouldnt it just (no comment from the smug Finnish or Japanese at this point kthx)
[06:25] <twb> There used to be a site called something like goodbye-telstra.com which had graphs (graphs!) and pie charts (charts!) showing just how shit .au internet was compared to other developed nations.
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hadnt heard of that site
[06:27] <twb> I can't find it anymore
[06:27] <twb> I think it was probably s/telstra/bigpond/ and s/goodbye/something else/, though
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i could probably find it via whingepool, but i'm not /that/ interested ;)
[06:28] <twb> If you find it, let me know.
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> will do.
[06:33] <foxbuntu> twb, the US is the worst of the bunch
[06:40] <twb> foxbuntu: you pay USD80/mo for 1.5mbps down, 256kbps up, with a 10GB download cap?
[06:41] <foxbuntu> ok, thats bad
[06:41] <foxbuntu> twb, personally no, but I do know of people that do around here
[06:42] <foxbuntu> and they dont get 1.5 up
[06:42] <twb> foxbuntu: that's the cheapest internet you can get in .au
[06:42] <foxbuntu> er down i mean
[06:42] <twb> And obviously that's a theoreticaly 1.5 down, not actual.
[06:42] <foxbuntu> wel lright
[06:42] <foxbuntu> well right*
[06:43] <twb> Admittedly you can get ADSL2+ speeds for around another USD15/mo, but only if you live in the inner city.
[06:43] <twb> It's a bit stupid because instead of sharing infrastructure, each top-tier ISP installs their own DSLAMS into each exchange.
[06:43] <foxbuntu> thats helpful
[06:44] <twb> So if you want ADSL2+ with a decent ISP, you have to wait longer, even if a shit ISP has an appropriate DSLAM in your exchagne.
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, when theres $15/mo telstra tax on using their ports, you avoid it :|
[06:45] <twb> Kamping_Kaiser: I was going by internode pricing for ADSL2+ on an agile/optus dslam.
[06:46] <twb> Or are you talking about why ISPs use their own infrastructure?
[06:46] <twb> (If the latter, then I totally agree.  But it's bollocks that ISPs are put in that position by the carrier.)
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, refering to why they use their own gear
[06:48]  * Kamping_Kaiser is on a 'node dslam with adsl2+ (getting adsl1 speeds though)
[06:48] <twb> I haven't tried lately because there's a week-long wait feeling all hopeful "maybe they'll have an open port for me this year!" before the inevitable disappointment.
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was on the waiting list for the dslam while they built it. only took 8 months ...
[06:49] <foxbuntu> lol
[06:50] <foxbuntu> ok, I dont feel so bad about my -6 offset then ;)
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> haha
[07:34] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: I'd be interested in that site if you find it too !!!
[07:59] <AnRkey> can cupsys recieve lpr jobs?
[08:00] <AnRkey> I have a setup with lprng on a site and we need to do normal printing too from the ubuntu desktops. How do I get the Ubuntu printing substystem to use lpr instead of cupsys?
[08:01] <ivoks> cups can connect to lpr
[08:11] <twb> AnRkey: do you just want an lpr binary that users can call?
[08:11] <twb> Oh, lprng
[08:21] <AnRkey> yeah, soz was afk for a bit
[08:22] <AnRkey> we need an service that our AS400 server can print back to on the clients
[08:22] <AnRkey> everyone uses lpr
[08:25] <cjwatson> ajmitch: no, it doesn't, sorry
[08:28] <AnRkey> bbl, gotta run
[09:09] <shardz> Howdy; I'm running a squid cache on 8.04; I've installed squid-cgi with apt, but when I try to use the cgi script, I get a "connection refused" when logging in. Standard squid behaviour is to let the user access non-sensitive data without supplying a password. Could this be a bug in squid-cgi?
[09:09] <shardz> Well, the ubuntu package, since the squid one apparently works. I tested the non-cgi cache manager with squidclient and /that/ works fine, pointing again to the cgi script.
[09:09] <shardz> I'm a bit at a loss as to what to do.
[09:28] <kraut> moin
[09:29] <shardz> morgen
[09:30] <shardz> Know anything about my problem? ;)
[11:00] <tobuntu> hi all
[12:33] <Doble> hey folks i am trying to set up ubuntu as a xen server guest but i can't install the xentools package ... when I try to mount the CDrom I get a huge pile of exception errors, and the disk that the xen docs tell me to mount doesn't exist (/dev/xvdd) .. any suggestions?
[13:01] <sourcemaker> how can I install ubuntu server with encrypted FS (LUKS LVM) ?
[13:01] <sourcemaker> like the alternative installation...
[13:15] <Doble> can anyone tell me how to run a scipt? I'm trying "sudo Linux/install.sh" but I recieve "Command not found"
[13:23] <pan1nx> hi
[13:23] <pan1nx> anybody know why the dm-snapshot.ko is removed from linux-image-generic?
[13:29] <soren> pan1nx: CONFIG_DM_SNAPSHOT=y
[13:29] <soren> pan1nx: It's compiled in.
[13:49] <sourcemaker> why is there only the feature encrypted private directories in the ubuntu server edition?
[13:50] <pan1nx> lol, thanks soren
[14:24] <iulianpojar1> ubuntu 9.04  right now on www.ubuntu.com
[14:24] <ikonia> we know
[14:29] <VK7HSE> currently upgrading my server to Jaunty \o/ I let you know if I strike trouble! (you will hear me screaming!!!)
[14:38] <henkjan> hmm, To buy Landscape as a stand-alone service please go to www.canonical.com/contact/sales
[14:39] <MagicFab> henkjan, are you having trouble ordering ?
[14:39] <henkjan> no, i'm just rereading it
[14:39] <yann2> weird, I am using Ubuntu to use opensource, now canonical asks us to put a blackbox in our network :)
[14:40] <henkjan> and wondering if it means that I can buy landscape and run it from my own server
[14:41] <MagicFab> henkjan, no, that's standalone as in "not part of a support contract".
[14:42] <MagicFab> yann2, no one is asking *you* ;)
[14:43] <MagicFab> The client is GPL btw so no such thing as a blackbox in your network is involved in using Landscape.
[14:43] <henkjan> MagicFab: too bad
[14:43] <MagicFab> henkjan, what's too bad
[14:45] <Veyasu> Anyone have any experience with encrypted raid 5? I know how to make a raid 5, and figuring out how to encrypt it shouldn't be too hard, but what about resizing an encrypted raid partition, or extending it? and will a setup like that be more vulnerable to failure?
[14:45] <henkjan> MagicFab: don't like the idea of putting customers data on canonicals servers
[14:46] <MagicFab> henkjan, so don't. It's just another option. I also wish it was all open source. The powers that be have decided otherwise for this particular offering.
[14:48] <henkjan> MagicFab: i don't need it to be open source or free. I'm happy to pay for it. I just don't like the fact that canonical has access to al our customers data
[14:50] <MagicFab> henkjan, I don't have details right now with me of that part of Landscape, but feel free to ask it. I can relay it to the Landscape dev team.
[14:51] <MagicFab> Landscape is primarily par of support so.. essentially that means that we provide you support, and that requires access to the data.
[14:52] <MagicFab> my contact info is on my LP page too (http://launchpad.net/~magicfab)
[14:54] <yann2> MagicFab > out of interest, how many canonical customers use landscape?
[14:54] <yann2> MagicFab > always been wondering how it was going to work for servers with no access to internet :)
[14:55] <MagicFab> henkjan, I am involved to a certain extent with Landscape, however this FAQ may help:
[14:55] <MagicFab> https://help.landscape.canonical.com/FAQ
[14:55] <MagicFab> it's growing furiously so I can'tkeep up with it specially during release, but it may have an answer for you.
[14:55] <MagicFab> yann2, you know if I told you I had to kill you. And I'd be dead :)
[14:56] <MagicFab> yann2, offline, it queues stuff and does it when it reconnects.
[14:56] <henkjan> MagicFab: okay, thanx. i'll have a look
[14:56] <yann2> no I mean, with no access to the internet, like, it should not have one for security reasons
[14:57] <MagicFab> yann2, well, Landscape may not be for you then :)
[14:57] <yann2> just trying to find the corner cases to annoy you *runs*
[14:57] <MagicFab> an on-site Landscape server may help
[14:58] <yann2> definitely, but then the license would be problematic...
[15:04] <jcastro> soren: now that release is done can you commit to some openweek goodness?
[15:06] <ttx> jcastro: a release is done, a sprint starts...
[15:07] <MagicFab> jcastro, "done? " :D
[15:07] <jcastro> heh
[15:08] <soren> jcastro: I'm afraid not. I simply don't have time to prepare anything useful.
[15:08] <jcastro> no worries
[16:16] <tclineks> where's Jaunty JeOS?
[16:16] <soren> tclineks: On the server cd.
[16:17] <soren> tclineks: Press F4 on the boot screen, choose minimal install.
[16:17] <tclineks> gotcha
[16:20] <tclineks> can i move from the generic kernel to the jeos kernel?
[16:39] <biosed> Email problem, "Linux 2.6.27-7-server #1 SMP Tue Nov 4 20:16:57 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux", Can't send mulitple email from script, no problem with one or two, can anyone help
[16:43] <biosed> The script is perl and is solid, being using it for quite a while on redhat
[16:46] <ivoks> congrats everybody
[17:22] <mdz> kirkland: do you have a s3kr1t LWN alias? :-)
[17:22] <mdz> http://lwn.net/Articles/329765/
[17:22] <kirkland> mdz: :-)  i do not ....
[17:22] <kirkland> mdz: as i don't think our marketing team is "bad"
[17:23] <kirkland> mdz: and more people than just me (nijaba, for instance) contributed to s-p
[17:23] <mdz> kirkland: indeed
[17:23] <kirkland> mdz: http://www.osnews.com/user/kragil perhaps?
[17:24] <kirkland> mdz: i do appreciate the plug though!
[17:25] <mdz> kirkland: you have a fan among the Canonical-bashers ;-)
[17:27] <kirkland> mdz: i wonder if that's career-limiting :-)
[17:28] <kirkland> mdz: maybe even 2?  http://lwn.net/Articles/309964/
[17:28] <ivoks> hehe
[17:29] <RoyK> hi
[17:30] <RoyK> I'm reinstalling some servers with old fedora crap with ubuntu 8.04LTS these days. How can I make a usb plug installer? I'll need x86 and amd64
[17:31] <kirkland> RoyK: usb-creator
[17:31] <RoyK> where can I find that?
[17:32] <RoyK> does it take an iso file and just makes the usb plug bootable with it?
[17:59] <VK7HSE1> Server update has gone smoothly :-D
[18:02] <ivoks> as always ;)
[18:02] <VK7HSE1> ;-)
[18:04]  * NCommander had a smooth intrepid->jaunty upgrade on SPARC :-)
[18:04] <MagicFab> VK7HSE1, glad to hear.
[18:05] <MagicFab> NCommander, Ubuntu on SPARC ?
[18:05] <NCommander> MagicFab, yeah. I bought a bunch of SPARC boxes to improve Ubuntu on that architecture
[18:05] <ivoks> all my sparc servers are hardy :)
[18:05] <NCommander> ivoks, upgrade from dapper or fresh installations?
[18:05] <MagicFab> NCommander, interesting - what model(s) ?
[18:05]  * NCommander ran into a few SILO bugs
[18:05] <ivoks> fresh
[18:05] <ivoks> NCommander: right, silo is broken in installer
[18:06] <NCommander> ivoks, I'm working to improve ubuntu/sparc, interested in helping?
[18:06] <ivoks> sure
[18:06] <VK7HSE1> I've just found an issue with my mediawiki it has a problem with the sql databse when you try to edit!... I'll sort that out tomorrow/today!
[18:06] <NCommander> MagicFab, SunFire V120 (Nextra X1 (which is having seems to have a fit running non-Solaris stuff), a Nextra T105 which is known to run Debian, and an Ultra10
[18:06] <NCommander> MagicFab, I also plan to see if I can get landscape going on them :-)
[18:07] <ivoks> i have only these: TI UltraSparc IIIi (Jalapeno)
[18:07] <NCommander> ivoks, know anyone else running Ubuntu/sparc? (I'm trying to revive interest in the port, and also working to fix the kernel)
[18:07] <NCommander> ivoks, your is newer than mine though :-)
[18:07] <ivoks> i don't, fabionne worked on sparc before
[18:07]  * NCommander is turning his SPARC box into an ltsp system
[18:08] <NCommander> s/system/server/g
[18:08] <ivoks> NCommander: you have issues with kernel?
[18:08] <NCommander> ivoks, well, with the installer
[18:08] <NCommander> The jaunty kernel and its d-i have issues
[18:08] <ivoks> oh...
[18:08] <ivoks> i know hardy has silo issue
[18:08] <NCommander> I'm the one who updated jaunty's SPARC kernelt to 2.6.28, but I had no hardware to test on
[18:08] <NCommander> Jaunty has a new enough silo that its not a problem
[18:09] <NCommander> (I ended up installing dapper, then forcing a hardy install over it so I ended up with dapper silo and hardy rootfs)
[18:09] <soren> NCommander: fabbione, perhaps.
[18:09] <ScottK> NCommander: sistpoty/siretart have sparc (but you knew that).
[18:09] <NCommander> ScottK, yup :-)
[18:09] <soren> NCommander: (re: "know anyone else running Ubuntu/sparc?")
[18:09] <NCommander> Wow, this is not the day to try and build chroot
[18:10] <MagicFab> NCommander, are you sharing that anywhere (else) ?
[18:10] <NCommander> MagicFab, sharing what?
[18:10] <MagicFab> NCommander, notes / packages re: SPARC
[18:10] <NCommander> MagicFab, Ubuntu SPARC is hosted by Canonical
[18:11] <NCommander> MagicFab, its just suffering from a lot of negletic.
[18:11] <ivoks> sistpoty also has sparcs, right
[18:11] <ivoks> he reported broken kernel in hardy
[18:11] <MagicFab> NCommander, well yeah but I don't see any super-public display of "hey, I am doing this for SPARC". I am simply asking if you blog or document this somewhere ;)
[18:12] <NCommander> MagicFab, not yet, I plan to do so for Karmic. I made PowerPC releasable this cycle (see Xubuntu's release annoucement, and the Kubuntu one once I find the right person to poke)
[18:12] <phoenixz> Hi there, Im about to receive a new server which probably will be a SUN sunfire t2000.. I received specs which say that under Solaris, this server has 16 virtual 1GHz processors... Would this mean that in Ubuntu I see only 1 real processor, or also 16 processors?? Anybody has some experience with Linux on SUN Sparc hardware?
[18:12] <MagicFab> :D NCommander ^
[18:13] <NCommander> Damn
[18:13] <NCommander> Speak of the devil
[18:13] <ivoks> hehe
[18:13] <ivoks> phoenixz: you'll see all of them
[18:13] <NCommander> what ivoks said
[18:13] <NCommander> phoenixz, are you planning to run Ubuntu on it?
[18:14] <ivoks> NCommander: we should wait and see what will become of sparc architecture anyway :)
[18:15] <NCommander> ivoks, I doubt Oracle going to axe it
[18:16] <ivoks> time will tell
[18:22] <phoenixz> NCommander: I plan to use ubuntu, hardware is unknown yet.. that SUN sparc T2000 is aavailable.. either that one or thehy have to buy new hardware so I figured I better ask
[18:23] <phoenixz> Just asked on the solaris channel.. they told me that Linux wont run right / slow / problematic on anything more then 4 CPU's.. is this correct?
[18:23] <NCommander> phoenixz, ok, Ubuntu on sparc is a little rough (its not been all that well cared for since it was dropped as a supported arch; I'm hoping to fix that with karmic)
[18:23] <NCommander> phoenixz, its FUD
[18:23] <NCommander> Linux scales fine; for some things Solaris may be faster, while others Linux may be
[18:24] <NCommander> It depends on your needs and how your applications use the server
[18:24] <phoenixz> NCommander: Going to run LAMP installation
[18:25]  * phoenixz thinks someone is about to start a flamewar on the solaris channel :)
[18:26] <NCommander> phoenixz, stop by #ubuntu-ports, which is where we discuss the SPARC (and other ports aside from PowerPC)
[18:26] <NCommander> ivoks, ^
[18:26] <NCommander> I'll be happy to get Ubuntu going; there are some annoying SILO bugs that you need to work around to get a successful install
[18:26] <phoenixz> NCommander: Okay.. only problem is, I need the hardware now and I need to be sure it will work :)
[18:26] <NCommander> RIght, of course
[18:26] <phoenixz> NCommander: SILO?
[18:26] <NCommander> phoenixz, SPARC equivelent of GRUB/LILO
[18:28] <phoenixz> NCommander: in other words.. a successfull install is not guaranteed?
[18:28] <NCommander> phoenixz, not at the moment, as I said, Ubuntu/sparc is suffering from lack of maintence, but I'm going to try and SRU debian-installer so you can simply do a netboot install of Jaunty
[18:29] <phoenixz> sorry, SRU?
[18:29] <ivoks> phoenixz: use LTS versions
[18:29] <ivoks> 8.04
[18:29] <ScottK> phoenixz: SRU = Stable Release Update - post release update for serious bug fix.
[18:30] <phoenixz> ScottK: Gottit
[18:30] <ivoks> (desktop rant) why don't we use netbook-launcher for desktop too? looks nice and functional... :)
[18:30] <sbeattie> NCommander: is the issue size or something else? I tried netbooting a ultra60 with a jaunty image from around beta time and got a memory error (I've forgotten the specifics); dapper and gutsy netbooted fine on that hardware.
[18:31] <phoenixz> One other question.. As I understood it, this CPU should have like 8 cores, 4 threads per core.. Linux (Ubuntu) will be able to use those effectively?
[18:31] <phoenixz> T1 Sparc CPU
[18:32] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/sunfire
[18:32] <NCommander> sbeattie, there are quite a few issues ATM
[18:32] <NCommander> I'm working to resolve them, I want Karmic to be equivelent to Dapper in terms of hardware working
[18:32] <NCommander> sbeattie, interested in working in the SPARC port?
[18:33] <sbeattie> NCommander: I'll try to help out where I can, but my time is somewhat overbooked as it is.
[18:34] <ivoks> same thing here
[18:34] <ivoks> i have some non-arch plans for karmic
[18:34] <NCommander> I really just need some people for installer testing
[18:34] <ivoks> plans/ideas
[18:34] <NCommander> So no huge time commitment
[18:34] <sbeattie> NCommander: that I can do.
[18:34] <ivoks> i'll do as much as i can
[18:34] <NCommander> you guys are awesome
[18:34] <NCommander> :-)
[18:35] <NCommander> Lets have SPARC be awesome for karmic
[18:51] <VK7HSE1> Goodnight/evening/morning/afternoon... what ever! I'm off to bed... Zzz Zzz Zzz...
[19:08] <stu1> hi, I've just upgrade my server to 9.04 and I get a mount: special device /dev/md1 does not exist error on boot up I've run cat /proc/mdstat and i get the following md_d1 inactive sda1[0] (S), what does this mean and how do I got about fixing it?
[19:15] <Faust-C> howdy folks
[19:18] <Faust-C> for those of you that use Citadel and would like to use it in a AD environment here ya go: http://tinyurl.com/d62gxe
[19:20] <orudie> hi, how do i update from 8.10 to 9.04 ?
[19:23] <tgunr> I'm new to ubuntu coming from MacOSX and trying to get a local webserver setup to test with, I have my domain name name setup in hosts as 127.0.0.1 = my.test.domain, hosts.conf is configured to order hosts,bind but when I try to resolve my.test.domain I get the real IP, what am I doing wrong? or is this not possible in Linux?
[19:23] <Faust-C> orudie, update-manager -d
[19:23] <tgunr> rather 127.0.0.1 my.test.domain
[19:23] <Faust-C> apt-get dist-update
[19:24] <orudie> Faust-C, what is update-manager -d gonna do ?
[19:24] <Faust-C> tgunr, you need to make sure apache is using either name based vhosts or ip based vhosts, i think thats your issue
[19:24] <Faust-C> orudie, man update-manager
[19:24] <tgunr> hmm, ok but i thought you had to set up the domian in hosts first
[19:25] <tgunr> on a MAc I can do this same thing then use nslookup my-test.domain and get back 127.0.0.1
[19:25] <Faust-C> tgunr, why? using vhosts doesnt care about that
[19:26] <Faust-C> youre looking at this in the old school way, i suggest you read up on vhosts
[19:26] <Faust-C> makes your life simpler
[19:26] <tgunr> ok, will do, and yes, i am coming from an old Unix System III days
[19:26] <orudie> is eBox any good ?
[19:29] <orudie> Faust-C,  update-manager: command not found
[19:34] <Faust-C> apt-get dist-update
[19:34] <Faust-C> apt-get dist-upgrade*
[19:34] <Faust-C> one of those
[19:36] <RoyK> Faust-C: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:37] <Faust-C> yeah one of those
[19:37] <RoyK> no, both
[19:37] <RoyK> update will update the package list, dist-upgrade will do the upgrade
[19:38] <Faust-C> RoyK, im using LTS so i havent had to use the dist update yet
[19:38] <orudie> Faust-C, sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:39] <RoyK> Faust-C: dist-upgrade upgrades to the newest subversion of the distro
[19:39] <Faust-C> ic
[19:40] <ScottK> Do use the update-manager for upgrades.  For server you have to install update-manager-core/common (I can never remember which) and then do-release-upgrade.
[20:04] <Veyasu> Hello, I'm adding some virtual SCSI disks to an ubuntu server with VMWare server. Does anyone know whether it is possible to run a command or something to discover them while the server is running, or do I have to restart it for the system to see them?
[20:08] <Faust-C> you dont have to reset?
[20:08] <Faust-C> rescan
[20:10] <Veyasu> I'm sorry, what do you mean by rescan?
[20:13] <lauris> does hardy installation support smart array 641 out of the box ?
[20:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #365625 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.5.5-1.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 75" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365625
[20:45] <shadowland> Anyone know if Xen (Dom0) will be supported past Hardy or is it all KVM from there?
[20:45] <NCommander> So I got LTSP to work on sparc
[21:29] <soren> shadowland: dom0 will land in the main line kernel very soon. When that happens, it'll be back.
[21:30] <soren> shadowland: In the mean time we decided our ressources were better spent elsewhere.
[21:49] <juaco> hi, i little question to samba gurus: does %h expand to FQDN or just the hostname?
[21:49] <juaco> i have two servers in mirror and it would be useful to have the same smb.conf in both
[21:55] <Faust-C> wouldnt that cause a NETBIOS issue?
[21:55] <Faust-C> using the same name?
[21:58] <orudie> how do i find out which linux virsion im using
[22:01] <tgunr> try uname -a
[22:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #365692 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: underprocess post-installation script gav felkod 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365692
[22:55] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #365718 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.5.5-1.1 failed to install/upgrade:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365718