[03:47] i need some help with grub [03:47] anyone can help me , an install of windows overwrote the linux loader [03:47] for xubuntu [03:50] ernakk3: yes... i can help. [03:51] if you have a spare cd, probably the easiest thing to do is download a super grub disk. [03:51] you can even install it to a usb... [03:52] http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ [04:05] hey peeps, i have a quick question.I 'm looking for one of the *buntu distributions that will work on this antique system [04:05] Thinkpad 600E (Pentium II, 400 Mhz) . I was thinking of xubuntu, can anyone confirm that it will work on it just fine? [04:06] prodigy: how much ram does the system have? [04:06] 160megs [04:06] 400mhz is fine for processor speed, though. [04:06] prodigy: it should run, but veeeeeeeeery slowly. [04:06] well, pretty slowly [04:07] well it's an old system...i have to set it up for a friend..and i want to make sure he gets the convenience of apt-get and all so i don't have to hold his hand 24/7 [04:07] as long as he can still watch movies, surf the web, email, listen to music then it's all good..which he should be able to do with xubuntu i hope [04:07] if you can get it to 256mb, you should notice some improvements. [04:07] watching flash video may be choppy w/ 160mb [04:08] that's his decision, but i'll let him know...now to download xubuntu's iso, burn it and give it a test-drive [04:08] ok [04:08] you know the new release of xubuntu is coming out tomorrow, right? [04:08] hm [04:08] the new release will be faster than the previous one. [04:09] i would also definitely recommend using the "alternate" install cd. [04:09] the "live cd" won't work with 160mb of ram. [04:09] well i want to make sure the sound and wireless will work..so if i try it with the current release and it works, most likely the newer one tomorrow will work too, in that case i'll just re-do it all ..but i wanna make sure it'll work on sound/wireless [04:10] you could also try the 9.04 release candidate image (that has already been released) [04:10] and then just update from there. [04:11] there's an alternate version to that 9.04 RC? [04:11] yes - just a moment, and i'll provide the link [04:11] thank you [04:12] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/rc/ [04:12] that's the link for the release candidate, which was released a week ago [04:12] the alternate install is toward the bottom of the page [04:13] cool...takes me 4 minutes to download [04:13] i have a fast connection [04:13] :) [04:13] hey guys... i'm running jaunty and i installed xfce4-panel... i don't have a manu, any chance u guys know what i need to install to get a menu? [04:14] xfce4-menu [04:14] hm, the desktop CD one requires 128 megs [04:14] minimum that is..this system has 160 [04:14] should i just get that? [04:14] that way i can boot up to it and see if it will actually work for evertyhing [04:14] problem is i don't have many CD-Rs rofl [04:14] can't afford to burn too many CD to try out which distro works [04:15] yoasif, Actually, it might be xfdesktop4 [04:15] prodigy, The CD requires 192mb to be able to install [04:15] *Live CD [04:15] cody-somerville: giving the xfdesktop4 thing a shot [04:16] Desktop CD [04:16] The desktop CD allows you to try Xubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. This type of CD is what most people will want to use. You will need at least 128MB of RAM to install from this CD. [04:16] maybe a typo then i guess [04:17] Where do you see that? [04:17] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/rc/ [04:18] Wow [04:18] thanks for pointing that out :) [04:19] so i'm just getting the alternate version :) for my 160megs old antique [04:27] cody-somerville: thanks a ton, that works great [04:27] :) [04:27] one other question: what is the syntax for customizing the clock time display in the panel? [04:29] It should have help right there for you [04:37] hey not sure you guys got my last message since my wireless conked out... but is there somewhere i can find the syntax for customzing the clock applet in xfce4-panel? [04:42] yoasif_, there should be help there in the dialogue [04:42] i see nothing there, running jaunty [04:43] what does it say for you? [04:43] under clock options [04:44] Try using the orage clock instead [04:45] cody-somerville: don't really want to, heh... (running an openbox install, trying to keep dependencies down) [04:45] i guess i'll just file a bug report === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [04:58] cody-somerville: i filed the report here in case you care: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5282 [05:13] I vaugly recall from my redhat 5.0 days, finding an insane option to 'do not automount' a partition. (insane cuz I could barely manage to manually mount anything, why disable the possibility). Does xubuntu have a similar option, I'd rather not have an ntfs partition mounted without a good reason first [05:20] "noauto" [05:25] sorry, I'm gonna nee more info than that, where do I use "noauto" [05:25] zerothis, noauto in /etc/fstab [05:26] put it in the drive options like rw,noauto,users [05:30] ok, but its not in /etc/fstab/ [05:32] zerothis, what isnt? your drive? [05:32] add it then... [05:40] the partition is not listed in /etc/fstab. only my linux partitions are. the ntfs, which I don't want mounted each time, is not in there [05:53] hola [05:53] hi! [07:55] i have stopped the bluetooth service but the btaddconn and btdelconn processes are still running, how do i exit them? [09:20] 9.04 is gonna be released today :D [09:24] any idea is xubuntu images available immediately after release, or is there some delay? [09:24] and the usual crazy scenes are in #ubuntu-release [09:24] i think xubuntu was released at the same time as ubuntu.. [09:25] last times [09:33] skep, what crazy scenes? [09:37] "is it out?" every x seconds ;) [09:37] heh [09:37] is it out? [09:39] Was scheduled for Apr, 27, 17:30 (Samoa time), but now that you've asked, it's been delayed by 1 hour [09:41] apr 27? :P [09:41] ;) [09:49] stop confusing people and start giving right an courteous service ;P [09:55] Hello. Is the testing time for 9.04 prolonged ? [09:56] release is still today [09:56] tday? [09:59] Yes, it is April 23rd, and xubuntu web page lists 8.10 as the stable release, while 9.04 is still RC - release candidate, not stable. [10:00] So I thought, maybe the testing time is prolonged for couple of days, a week maybe, for some reasons. [10:01] unless its stated otherwise on the webpage or the dev-lists, final release should vome out today [10:01] dosingrat, nope. it is released today, but not yet. [10:01] ok, maybe in few hours I hope. [10:01] dosingrat, no idea. [11:14] almost done with my backups..the lan here is soo slow..takes ages to rsync data..anyway, important things are mostly backed up, so 9.04 can come :) [11:15] I wonder how good/bad ext4 will work.. [11:17] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/ [11:18] I don't know about relase, but image is there [11:18] :-) [11:20] I wouldn't trust the image, unless an official statement is out [11:20] and torrent doesn't work [11:20] rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker [11:21] : [11:22] tavasti: when xfce is released, it happens we rebuild tarballs sometimes before the announcement. [11:22] same version-number, different checksum [11:23] besides checksum there is no way to tell if it is a wrong package [11:23] please wait for the announcement [11:24] Ok, I'll try to hold my horses :-) [12:15] jeeez..the other channel is like hell..this here is my heaven atm [12:15] hell? [12:16] lol@#ubuntu-release-party [12:16] "Is it out yet?" "No it's not" [12:16] "Now?" "NO" [12:17] hello i have 2 old p2 8 mg ram pc at school that run xp fine but for some strange reason can't run linux mint you think they can can my loved xubuntu on it fine or your advise me to put flubox on them? [12:18] lovingunix, describe more 'can't run linux' [12:18] well linux mint boots afther ages but that's it no desktop [12:19] but very strange as xp pro runs fine on both what you advise then? [12:19] btw at boot i get a message acpi something disabled could it be that? [12:20] xp runs fine on 8mb ram? [12:20] maby it's not 8 mb from bios i read like that [12:20] but they can run xp fine yes [12:20] what you advise ? [12:21] I wonder if NTLoader even loads with 8 megs of ram [12:21] bios says pentium 2 400 something hz on both i think 8mg sdram [12:21] mb* [12:22] isen't it strange linux mint can't load desktop from live cd then? [12:23] so i was thinking to put xubuntu that is for older pc's or you thing flubox is better as there even older ones with still windows 98 and 95 i have to install linux on [12:23] wich shall i chose ? [12:24] fluxbox require way less cpu/memory [12:24] lovingunix: xubuntu won't work in less than 16MB, and needs at least 64MB for graphical environment [12:25] i see so strange if they really got 8 mb xp runs fine on both [12:25] lovingunix: it's still unusable with it, I guess you need around 96-128MB for a bearable speed [12:25] lovingunix: it's probably not 8MB [12:25] so you advise me to go for flubox or or i miss some stuff as it's school need so office web classic school stuff or xubuntu? [12:26] if you tell me flubox has everything needed for school use even no internet [12:26] i will try put that ok? [12:27] if windows xp runs on it, xubuntu would run too, probably [12:28] so strange linux mint won't load desktop and goes so slow to boot live cd as it's ubuntu just made easy how you explain that TheSheep ? [12:28] lovingunix: livecd usually needs much more ram than installed version [12:29] i see [12:29] ok i love this xubuntu btw [12:29] lovingunix: it would probably work fine installed too [12:29] i want to use it for my vb box too as i use xp home and then learn linux from vb [12:29] do we miss anything with xfce vs gnome or kde for home use ? [12:31] lovingunix: SMB mounts can be a challenge [12:31] otherwise, not really... i guess. [12:31] smb is sorry? [12:32] we planned to keep the printer ones with xp pro and all the rest that are no printers with xp and 98 95 or 2000 put linux so any usb divice or printer will go on the xp ones with printers [12:32] what are smb? [12:33] !smb [12:33] Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. [12:33] it's window's "network" icon [12:33] o we don't need that [12:34] so it's like a telnet and server to collaborate between 2 os linux and windows right? [12:34] no, it's a file transfer protocol [12:35] so that you can browse files on other computers and copy them [12:35] im taking intel xubuntu as that they are p2 so intel right? [12:35] yes [12:36] i have amd 3000 for my pc [12:36] so i have to take amd version of xubuntu 64 right? [12:36] not necessarily [12:36] I'd use the 32bit version if it's a desktop [12:37] easier to use flash and java and video codecs [12:37] and the benefits from 64bits are small [12:37] i understand so the intel version is for amd too right? [12:38] as i have that and the amd lower [12:38] the i386 version is 32bit, the amd64 is 64 bit, both for intels and amd [12:38] 64 bit processors can work in 32 bit mode [12:38] thanx ok i got right one [12:38] so the i386 version will work on both [12:38] so you think the live cd will load fine on this old pc's vs the linux mint? [12:38] they are called 'intel' and 'amd' because those companies created the respective standards [12:39] as that is the problem loading the live cd's [12:39] I don't know about livecd, might not work [12:39] it does that but very slow and then not load [12:39] ill see btw [12:39] you might need to use the alternate cd [12:39] you think on the pc's that run win 98 and 95 live cd can load? [12:39] it has menu-based installer and needs much less ram [12:39] those has less ram [12:40] but it won't run a lie system -- it only lets you install [12:40] live* [12:40] well oldest pc we have at school are with 95 95 and 200 [12:40] 0 [12:40] maby your right alternate is better [12:41] is the menu grafical easy as ubuntu one? [12:42] im taking xubuntu alternate torrent [12:42] so will download fast [12:43] I think there was a howto on using it somewhere [12:43] !alternate [12:43] The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. Look for the link on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal [12:43] !install [12:43] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - see also !automate [12:43] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/I386 [12:48] thanx for all the info :) [13:07] will xubuntu be released today as well? [13:09] Hey, all. === skep is now known as Frasier_Crane [13:14] xarvh: it seems to be already [13:15] xarvh: I'm downloading it at least... [13:15] TheSheep: would you give me the link? Can't find it myslef =) [13:15] torrent if possible =) [13:16] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/release/ [13:16] torrents can change until the final announcement! [13:18] So, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/BugWatch did we get the Critical release bugs before release? [13:18] damn I fucking love Guake [13:19] * Pres-Gas reads the launchpad pages... [13:19] I guess not [13:21] dloading =) [13:21] thanks [13:27] like every release i will wait for the official announcement..better be 100% sure..and i can wait some hours more..can install it not before tomorrow anyway ;) [13:27] !language | Hetor [13:27] Hetor: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [13:58] seems like its out [14:01] Yup...page changed [14:06] still no luck on thre mirrors [14:09] try ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/ [14:10] topic needs to be updated [14:10] 9.04 is out [14:11] http://vuo.ro/~tavasti/xubuntu-9.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent [14:11] if you want mirrored torrent [14:13] http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ [14:13] or just here === TheSheep changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | Xubuntu 9.04 is out! Download, Share it, Seed it! | Get Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | Need help and no one around? Get in on the mailing list action at http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users [14:20] where do i dl 9.04? [14:22] xC: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/ [14:23] ty [14:25] Are ubuntu and xubuntu identical apart from xfce? [14:26] They are not identical. They are close, using the same repositories and base system [14:26] can i upgrade from kubuntu 8.10 with xubuntu-desktop installed to xubuntu 9.04 with the alternate cd?? [14:31] I am pretty sure Xubuntu alternate cd will not upgrade kubuntu [14:32] might be just easier to re-install a fresh 9.04.. === Frasier_Crane is now known as skep [14:36] charlie-tca: I currently have ubuntu 8.10, can I cross upgrade to xubuntu 9.04? [14:36] 9.04 is out - seeeeeeeeeeed! :) [14:37] No [14:37] I suppose I would need to re-install anyway for the new filesystem [14:38] You would be better off with a fresh install of xubuntu 9.04, I think. [14:38] Ext4? [14:38] Check the release notes. It looks buggy to me [14:38] Yes, is that a good choice? [14:38] Ohh ok [14:39] problems with deleting files, and problems maintaining files on some drives [14:39] what filesystem should i use on a netbook with ssd?(acer aspire one) [14:39] ext3 would be a good choice [14:39] You can reset the time between fsck runs [14:40] Hmm xubuntu isn't on my mirror yet, but ubuntu is [14:40] give it a chance. Servers look swamped already [14:41] release and source folders are there, but they're empty right now [14:41] try another mirror or torrents [14:41] It just takes time [14:42] I can't even get to the images right now. [14:42] So Ubuntu 9.04 has dropped by Xubuntu 9.04 hasn't yet?! Grr... [14:42] I only get unmeterd from my ISP's mirror unfortunately so I have no option but to wait, or just upgrade ubuntu and then install xubuntu-desktop after [14:42] Or the mirror hasn't got caught up yet [14:42] charlie-tca: isn't ext3 bad for ssd's? because it is a journaling file system [14:42] http://www.xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release [14:43] Nevermind. [14:43] I go direct to cannonical server, and can't get through [14:43] Use .torrents folks! [14:43] charlie-tca: heh servers are maxed pushing to mirrors maybe [14:43] liar: I don't know. [14:43] Use ext2 then. At least it is not in testing [14:44] If ext4 was working really good and reliable, it would be the default in jaunty [14:44] torrents are still not really fast..only 1 seeder and lots of peers with max 40% :-) [14:44] Persevere! [14:45] People got to get it first, to seed the torrents [14:45] xubuntu.org is still outdated.. [14:45] Hetor: being updated now [14:45] They just added a 9.04 link on the left. [14:46] Yeah I noticed that too [14:47] Tried to get 9.04 but thought they were still doing it [14:50] so..i guess i will try ext4..if i remeber corrctly i can force a manual sync to be on a safer side with a special command.. [14:57] skep, I think I am going to wait a bit more...see what we all decide for the next LTS [14:57] when will xubuntu jackty will be available ? [14:57] hi [14:57] Is there a ShipIT Xubuntu? [14:57] pvullo_: it is [14:57] pvullo_, NOW. [14:57] argh ! can't find the page !! [14:58] Link under News on the left side of the front page. [14:59] ubuntu.com is down !!! [14:59] Too many people are downloading. [14:59] xubuntu.org [14:59] xubuntu.org is fine [14:59] Yep [14:59] But Ubuntu is a dead link ( for now...) [14:59] I'm using Deluge. [15:00] me too [15:01] it is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/release/ [15:02] Dammit... I'm at work and all the ports are closed for .torrents. [15:03] You can do a direct download with out using torrent then [15:03] Guess I'll have to do that. [15:05] Anyone know how to open a publisher 2007 (Microsoft crap) on xubuntu? [15:05] it's an publisher 2007 document ofcourse [15:05] I don't think that format is supported on any Linux software. I looked quite a bit. [15:05] Damn [15:07] Wouhou !!!! 1M/s ! what enormous bandwith they have !! that's crazy ! [15:07] Slonkie: won't gimp open it? [15:07] sorry diden't get the document yet [15:08] I'll see if it works, charlie-tca. :) [15:08] I don't know for sure. Might have to use something to convert the document type instead. [15:09] Okay, so once you use ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase, do you need to then do ecryptfs-(re)wrap-passphrase? [15:13] no gimp can't open it charlie-tca. [15:14] sorry [15:14] don't be! ;) [15:14] Pres-Gas: don't know [15:18] * Pres-Gas rtfm's within "/usr/share/doc/ecryptfs-utils [15:19] crap. I had to reboot while was updating :\ [15:19] crap [15:19] oops, I don't think we can say that [15:19] lol [15:21] anyways [15:21] can anyone help me with a sound problem? [15:21] Poopie? [15:21] Hetor: Did I fix it? [15:22] sound breaks very often, and all I can do to fix it is to log off [15:22] You mean it just quits in the middle of playing? [15:23] it usualy happens when I'm quiting a game [15:23] Is it using pulse audio? [15:23] ALSA, I guess [15:25] I am running the RC, how come I am not seeing any updates in my update manager yet? [15:25] Check if the game mutes it in mixer properties [15:26] Sniper606: because there probably aren't any yet. If the RC did not have critical bugs, changes won't be made for the Final. [15:27] You can run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal to check for sure [15:27] Being the RC and Final releases, changes are kept to an absolute minimum [15:28] hmmm... charlie-tca, it does not seem to permanently unwrap it. I catted out the passphrase file and it was gobbledygook [15:29] That seems right, isn't it? [15:30] Yeah...I think I will file a bug or request for the man page to be clear about that [15:37] Hmm the links are up on xubuntu.org but it take me to an empty mirror [15:37] Use .torrents if you can. [15:37] I cant unfortunately [15:38] Same here. :-( [15:38] The mirrors are not all there yet. They are still updating. [15:38] charlie-tca: ok thanks i'll keep checking [15:38] it is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/release/ [15:38] That one works. [15:38] charlie-tca: would you have a guess as to when it might be ready on the australia mirror, as that is my ISP? [15:39] hi [15:39] Could be up to 24 hours. It depends on when they actually update their mirror again [15:39] !hi | novabar_ [15:39] novabar_: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [15:39] Ohh ok, I thought it was pushed to the mirrors [15:39] everything has disappeard from my desktop. What happened? === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:41] download finished..lets burn this thing up [15:42] Lucky bastard... I have close to two hours to go... [15:43] I have undetermined amount of time to go [15:43] I'm getting anywhere from 60-100KB/sec [15:44] well..but no time to install later..have to do it tomorrow..so i'm not really lucky ;) [16:46] i've got a network printer in my network, any one know how i can add this in xubuntu? [16:47] Applications -> System -> Printing , I think. click on Server, connect === charlie-tca is now known as charlie-tca__ [17:00] taskbar dissappeared. help! [17:00] xfce 4 [17:00] stupid question: when i click on upgrad under xubuntu, he does upgradeXubuntu, and not Ubuntu, right? [17:00] yes [17:00] thanks! [17:00] so, happy upgrading! [17:01] !panels | wtv1 [17:01] wtv1: Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/ [17:01] charlie-tca__: thanks ^^ [17:01] You are welcome [17:02] been busy the last days guys? [17:02] because of the update and stuff? [17:02] very === mogul218_ is now known as mogul218 [17:25] could someone give me a link to the 9.04 torrent? [17:25] http://www.xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release [17:26] http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/xubuntu/releases/9.04/release/ [17:27] is now valid [17:27] great, that worked thanks [17:41] Hey I've got a serious question. I had a look into the Xubuntu 8.04 ISO-file I downloaded last year and found no copy of the GPL in it. Why is it? [17:42] <_Pete_> why should you find? [17:43] Becasue it's written in the GPL that there has to be kept alicense intact with the project. [17:43] Aquina: I think the license is in the /usr/share/docs/ of every package [17:43] <_Pete_> so is ubuntu GPL project? [17:44] _Pete_: no [17:44] For ident: Xubuntu v8.04.iso (md5sum 665bcc283e131be4cb71ecb2bf0e3794) [17:44] <_Pete_> well, that might be the reason there's no gpl licence :) [17:44] _Pete_: ubuntu is not a 'product' in the sense of license, it bundles a lot of products with different licenses [17:44] <_Pete_> Yes [17:44] _Pete_: each program has its own license in /usr/share/docs/programname [17:45] <_Pete_> Aquina: -^ [17:47] <_Pete_> Aquina: you got your answer? [17:47] Hm... I see. Why not putting Xubuntu under a license and (package the parts seperately)? [17:47] Aquina: the parts have sometimes incompatible licenses [17:48] Aquina: there is an option in the installator to only install gpl-compatible parts, though [18:02] Wow... I'm getting a whopping 6KB/sec from a mirror in Canada. [18:02] Bah. [18:03] use bittorrent perhaps? [18:03] Can't. The ISP here at work has every port I've tried closed. ;-( [18:05] what are the alternate versions in the tracker? [18:05] like this: xubuntu-9.04-alternate-i386 [18:05] Alternate version requires less memory to install. It does not use the graphic installer. [18:06] It won't run as a live cd either. [18:06] thank you for clearing that up :) [18:06] You are welcome [18:08] damn.. no utorrent for linux...bittornado it is then [18:38] * likemindead thinks it's awfully quiet in here for a Release Day... [18:40] Everybody is busy trying to download, so they don't have questions yet. [18:40] lol [18:41] And, the U.S. mirror is still not up [18:44] LAME. [18:48] it's downloading here :> ... I'll be able to test it myself when it'll be downloaded but maybe someone can saved me some times ... I'd like to know if canonical includes a menu editor in xubuntu 9.04 ? (xfce 4.6 doesn't includes one at the moment) [18:48]