[03:47] <ernakk3> i need some help with grub
[03:47] <ernakk3> anyone can help me , an install of windows overwrote the linux loader
[03:47] <ernakk3> for xubuntu
[03:50] <j1mc> ernakk3: yes... i can help.
[03:51] <j1mc> if you have a spare cd, probably the easiest thing to do is download a super grub disk.
[03:51] <j1mc> you can even install it to a usb...
[03:52] <j1mc> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[04:05] <prodigy> hey peeps, i have a quick question.I 'm looking for one of the *buntu distributions that will work on this antique system
[04:05] <prodigy> Thinkpad 600E (Pentium II, 400 Mhz) . I was thinking of xubuntu, can anyone confirm that it will work on it just fine?
[04:06] <j1mc> prodigy: how much ram does the system have?
[04:06] <prodigy> 160megs
[04:06] <j1mc> 400mhz is fine for processor speed, though.
[04:06] <j1mc> prodigy: it should run, but veeeeeeeeery slowly.
[04:06] <j1mc> well, pretty slowly
[04:07] <prodigy> well it's an old system...i have to set it up for a friend..and i want to make sure he gets the convenience of apt-get and all so i don't have to hold his hand 24/7
[04:07] <prodigy> as long as he can still watch movies, surf the web, email, listen to music then it's all good..which he should be able to do with xubuntu i hope
[04:07] <j1mc> if you can get it to 256mb, you should notice some improvements.
[04:07] <j1mc> watching flash video may be choppy w/ 160mb
[04:08] <prodigy> that's his decision, but i'll let him know...now to download xubuntu's iso, burn it and give it a test-drive
[04:08] <j1mc> ok
[04:08] <j1mc> you know the new release of xubuntu is coming out tomorrow, right?
[04:08] <prodigy> hm
[04:08] <j1mc> the new release will be faster than the previous one.
[04:09] <j1mc> i would also definitely recommend using the "alternate" install cd.
[04:09] <j1mc> the "live cd" won't work with 160mb of ram.
[04:09] <prodigy> well i want to make sure the sound and wireless will work..so if i try it with the current release and it works, most likely the newer one tomorrow will work too, in that case i'll just re-do it all ..but i wanna make sure it'll work on sound/wireless
[04:10] <j1mc> you could also try the 9.04 release candidate image (that has already been released)
[04:10] <j1mc> and then just update from there.
[04:11] <prodigy> there's an alternate version to that 9.04 RC?
[04:11] <j1mc> yes - just a moment, and i'll provide the link
[04:11] <prodigy> thank you
[04:12] <j1mc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/rc/
[04:12] <j1mc> that's the link for the release candidate, which was released a week ago
[04:12] <j1mc> the alternate install is toward the bottom of the page
[04:13] <prodigy> cool...takes me 4 minutes to download
[04:13] <prodigy> i have a fast connection
[04:13] <j1mc> :)
[04:13] <yoasif> hey guys... i'm running jaunty and i installed xfce4-panel... i don't have a manu, any chance u guys know what i need to install to get a menu?
[04:14] <cody-somerville> xfce4-menu
[04:14] <prodigy> hm, the desktop CD one requires 128 megs
[04:14] <prodigy> minimum that is..this system has 160
[04:14] <prodigy> should i just get that?
[04:14] <prodigy> that way i can boot up to it and see if it will actually work for evertyhing
[04:14] <prodigy> problem is i don't have many CD-Rs rofl
[04:14] <prodigy> can't afford to burn too many CD to try out which distro works
[04:15] <cody-somerville> yoasif, Actually, it might be xfdesktop4
[04:15] <cody-somerville> prodigy, The CD requires 192mb to be able to install
[04:15] <cody-somerville> *Live CD
[04:15] <yoasif> cody-somerville: giving the xfdesktop4 thing a shot
[04:16] <prodigy> Desktop CD
[04:16] <prodigy> The desktop CD allows you to try Xubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later. This type of CD is what most people will want to use. You will need at least 128MB of RAM to install from this CD.
[04:16] <prodigy> maybe a typo then i guess
[04:17] <cody-somerville> Where do you see that?
[04:17] <prodigy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/rc/
[04:18] <cody-somerville> Wow
[04:18] <cody-somerville> thanks for pointing that out :)
[04:19] <prodigy> so i'm just getting the alternate version :) for my 160megs old antique
[04:27] <yoasif> cody-somerville: thanks a ton, that works great
[04:27] <cody-somerville> :)
[04:27] <yoasif> one other question: what is the syntax for customizing the clock time display in the panel?
[04:29] <cody-somerville> It should have help right there for you
[04:37] <yoasif_> hey not sure you guys got my last message since my wireless conked out... but is there somewhere i can find the syntax for customzing the clock applet in xfce4-panel?
[04:42] <cody-somerville> yoasif_, there should be help there in the dialogue
[04:42] <yoasif_> i see nothing there, running jaunty
[04:43] <yoasif_> what does it say for you?
[04:43] <yoasif_> under clock options
[04:44] <cody-somerville> Try using the orage clock instead
[04:45] <yoasif_> cody-somerville: don't really want to, heh... (running an openbox install, trying to keep dependencies down)
[04:45] <yoasif_> i guess i'll just file a bug report
[04:58] <yoasif> cody-somerville: i filed the report here in case you care: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5282
[05:13] <zerothis> I vaugly recall from my redhat 5.0 days, finding an insane option to 'do not automount' a partition. (insane cuz I could barely manage to manually mount anything, why disable the possibility). Does xubuntu have a similar option, I'd rather not have an ntfs partition mounted without a good reason first
[05:20] <genii> "noauto"
[05:25] <zerothis> sorry, I'm gonna nee more info than that, where do I use "noauto"
[05:25] <celthunder> zerothis, noauto in /etc/fstab
[05:26] <celthunder> put it in the drive options like rw,noauto,users
[05:30] <zerothis> ok, but its not in /etc/fstab/
[05:32] <celthunder> zerothis, what isnt? your drive?
[05:32] <celthunder> add it then...
[05:40] <zerothis> the partition is not listed in /etc/fstab. only my linux partitions are. the ntfs, which I don't want mounted each time, is not in there
[05:53] <trino> hola
[05:53] <trino> hi!
[07:55] <MTec007> i have stopped the bluetooth service but the btaddconn and btdelconn processes are still running, how do i exit them?
[09:20] <Hetor> 9.04 is gonna be released today :D
[09:24] <tavasti> any idea is xubuntu images available immediately after release, or is there some delay?
[09:24] <skep> and the usual crazy scenes are in #ubuntu-release
[09:24] <skep> i think xubuntu was released at the same time as ubuntu..
[09:25] <skep> last times
[09:33] <tavasti> skep, what crazy scenes?
[09:37] <skep> "is it out?" every x seconds ;)
[09:37] <Hetor> heh
[09:37] <Hetor> is it out?
[09:39] <skep> Was scheduled for Apr, 27, 17:30 (Samoa time), but now that you've  asked, it's been delayed by 1 hour
[09:41] <knome> apr 27? :P
[09:41] <skep> ;)
[09:49] <knome> stop confusing people and start giving right an courteous service ;P
[09:55] <dosingrat> Hello. Is the testing time for 9.04 prolonged ?
[09:56] <skep> release is still today
[09:56] <sarts> tday?
[09:59] <dosingrat> Yes, it is April 23rd, and xubuntu web page lists 8.10 as the stable release, while 9.04 is still RC - release candidate, not stable.
[10:00] <dosingrat> So I thought, maybe the testing time is prolonged for couple of days, a week maybe, for some reasons.
[10:01] <skep> unless its stated otherwise on the webpage or the dev-lists, final release should vome out today
[10:01] <knome> dosingrat, nope. it is released today, but not yet.
[10:01] <dosingrat> ok, maybe in few hours I hope.
[10:01] <knome> dosingrat, no idea.
[11:14] <skep> almost done with my backups..the lan here is soo slow..takes ages to rsync data..anyway, important things are mostly backed up, so 9.04 can come :)
[11:15] <skep> I wonder how good/bad ext4 will work..
[11:17] <tavasti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/
[11:18] <tavasti> I don't know about relase, but image is there
[11:18] <tavasti> :-)
[11:20] <skep> I wouldn't trust the image, unless an official statement is out
[11:20] <tavasti> and torrent doesn't work
[11:20] <tavasti> rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker
[11:21] <skep> :
[11:22] <sarts> tavasti: when xfce is released, it happens we rebuild tarballs sometimes before the announcement.
[11:22] <sarts> same version-number, different checksum
[11:23] <sarts> besides checksum there is no way to tell if it is a wrong package
[11:23] <sarts> please wait for the announcement
[11:24] <tavasti> Ok, I'll try to hold my horses :-)
[12:15] <skep> jeeez..the other channel is like hell..this here is my heaven atm
[12:15] <sarts> hell?
[12:16] <Hetor> lol@#ubuntu-release-party
[12:16] <Hetor> "Is it out yet?" "No it's not"
[12:16] <Hetor> "Now?" "NO"
[12:17] <lovingunix> hello  i have 2 old p2 8 mg ram pc at school that run xp fine but for some strange reason can't run linux mint you think they can can my loved xubuntu on it fine or your advise me to put flubox on them?
[12:18] <tavasti> lovingunix, describe more 'can't run linux'
[12:18] <lovingunix> well linux mint boots afther ages but that's it no desktop
[12:19] <lovingunix> but very strange as xp pro runs fine on both what you advise then?
[12:19] <lovingunix> btw at boot i get a message acpi something disabled could it be that?
[12:20] <skep> xp runs fine on 8mb ram?
[12:20] <lovingunix> maby it's not 8 mb from bios i read like that
[12:20] <lovingunix> but they can run xp fine  yes
[12:20] <lovingunix> what you advise ?
[12:21] <FlyOnThe1all> I wonder if NTLoader even loads with 8 megs of ram
[12:21] <lovingunix> bios says pentium 2 400 something hz on both i think 8mg sdram
[12:21] <lovingunix> mb*
[12:22] <lovingunix> isen't it strange linux mint can't load desktop from live cd then?
[12:23] <lovingunix> so i was thinking to put xubuntu that is for older pc's or you thing flubox is better  as there even older ones with still windows 98 and 95 i have to install linux on
[12:23] <lovingunix> wich shall i chose ?
[12:24] <skep> fluxbox require way less cpu/memory
[12:24] <TheSheep> lovingunix: xubuntu won't work in less than 16MB, and needs at least 64MB for graphical environment
[12:25] <lovingunix> i see so strange if they really got 8 mb xp runs fine on both
[12:25] <TheSheep> lovingunix: it's still unusable with it, I guess you need around 96-128MB for a bearable speed
[12:25] <TheSheep> lovingunix: it's probably not 8MB
[12:25] <lovingunix> so you advise me to go for flubox or or i miss some stuff as it's school need so office web classic school stuff or xubuntu?
[12:26] <lovingunix> if you tell me flubox has everything needed for school use even no internet
[12:26] <lovingunix> i will try put that ok?
[12:27] <TheSheep> if windows xp runs on it, xubuntu would run too, probably
[12:28] <lovingunix> so strange linux mint won't load desktop and goes so slow to boot live cd as it's ubuntu just made easy how you explain that TheSheep ?
[12:28] <TheSheep> lovingunix: livecd usually needs much more ram than installed version
[12:29] <lovingunix> i see
[12:29] <lovingunix> ok i  love this xubuntu btw
[12:29] <TheSheep> lovingunix: it would probably work fine installed too
[12:29] <lovingunix> i want to use it for my vb box too as i use xp home and then learn linux from vb
[12:29] <lovingunix> do we miss anything with xfce vs gnome or kde for home use ?
[12:31] <sarts> lovingunix: SMB mounts can be a challenge
[12:31] <sarts> otherwise, not really... i guess.
[12:31] <lovingunix> smb is sorry?
[12:32] <lovingunix> we planned to keep the printer ones with xp pro and all the rest that are no printers with xp and 98 95 or 2000 put linux so any usb divice or printer will go on the xp ones with printers
[12:32] <lovingunix> what are smb?
[12:33] <TheSheep> !smb
[12:33] <TheSheep> it's window's "network" icon
[12:33] <lovingunix> o we don't need that
[12:34] <lovingunix> so it's like a telnet and server to collaborate between 2 os linux and windows right?
[12:34] <TheSheep> no, it's a file transfer protocol
[12:35] <TheSheep> so that you can browse files on other computers and copy them
[12:35] <lovingunix> im taking intel xubuntu as that they are p2 so intel right?
[12:35] <TheSheep> yes
[12:36] <lovingunix> i have amd 3000 for my pc
[12:36] <lovingunix> so i have to take amd version of xubuntu 64 right?
[12:36] <TheSheep> not necessarily
[12:36] <TheSheep> I'd use the 32bit version if it's a desktop
[12:37] <TheSheep> easier to use flash and java and video codecs
[12:37] <TheSheep> and the benefits from 64bits are small
[12:37] <lovingunix> i understand so the intel version is for amd too right?
[12:38] <lovingunix> as i have that and the amd lower
[12:38] <TheSheep> the i386 version is 32bit, the amd64 is 64 bit, both for intels and amd
[12:38] <TheSheep> 64 bit processors can work in 32 bit mode
[12:38] <lovingunix> thanx ok i got right one
[12:38] <TheSheep> so the i386 version will work on both
[12:38] <lovingunix> so you think the live cd will load fine on this old pc's vs the linux mint?
[12:38] <TheSheep> they are called 'intel' and 'amd' because those companies created the respective standards
[12:39] <lovingunix> as that is the problem loading the live cd's
[12:39] <TheSheep> I don't know about livecd, might not work
[12:39] <lovingunix> it does that but very slow and then not load
[12:39] <lovingunix> ill see btw
[12:39] <TheSheep> you might need to use the alternate cd
[12:39] <lovingunix> you think on the pc's that run win 98 and 95 live cd can load?
[12:39] <TheSheep> it has menu-based installer and needs much less ram
[12:39] <lovingunix> those has less ram
[12:40] <TheSheep> but it won't run a lie system -- it only lets you install
[12:40] <TheSheep> live*
[12:40] <lovingunix> well oldest pc we have at school are with 95 95 and 200
[12:40] <lovingunix> 0
[12:40] <lovingunix> maby your right alternate is better
[12:41] <lovingunix> is the menu grafical easy as ubuntu one?
[12:42] <lovingunix> im taking xubuntu alternate torrent
[12:42] <lovingunix> so will download fast
[12:43] <TheSheep> I think there was a howto on using it somewhere
[12:43] <TheSheep> !alternate
[12:43] <TheSheep> !install
[12:43] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/I386
[12:48] <lovingunix> thanx for all the info :)
[13:07] <xarvh> will xubuntu be released today as well?
[13:09] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all.
[13:14] <TheSheep> xarvh: it seems to be already
[13:15] <TheSheep> xarvh: I'm downloading it at least...
[13:15] <xarvh> TheSheep: would you give me the link? Can't find it myslef =)
[13:15] <xarvh> torrent if possible =)
[13:16] <TheSheep> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/release/
[13:16] <Frasier_Crane> torrents can change until the final announcement!
[13:18] <Pres-Gas> So, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/BugWatch did we get the Critical release bugs before release?
[13:18] <Hetor> damn I fucking love Guake
[13:19]  * Pres-Gas reads the launchpad pages...
[13:19] <Pres-Gas> I guess not
[13:21] <xarvh> dloading =)
[13:21] <xarvh> thanks
[13:27] <Frasier_Crane> like every release i will wait for the official announcement..better be 100% sure..and i can wait some hours more..can install it not before tomorrow anyway ;)
[13:27] <TheSheep> !language | Hetor
[13:58] <Frasier_Crane> seems like its out
[14:01] <Pres-Gas> Yup...page changed
[14:06] <Frasier_Crane> still no luck on thre mirrors
[14:09] <Pres-Gas> try ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/
[14:10] <Hetor> topic needs to be updated
[14:10] <Hetor> 9.04 is out
[14:11] <tavasti> http://vuo.ro/~tavasti/xubuntu-9.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[14:11] <tavasti> if you want mirrored torrent
[14:13] <Frasier_Crane> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[14:13] <Frasier_Crane> or just here
[14:20] <xC> where do i dl 9.04?
[14:22] <charlie-tca> xC: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/
[14:23] <xC> ty
[14:25] <waan> Are ubuntu and xubuntu identical apart from xfce?
[14:26] <charlie-tca> They are not identical. They are close, using the same repositories and base system
[14:26] <liar> can i upgrade from kubuntu 8.10 with xubuntu-desktop installed to xubuntu 9.04 with the alternate cd??
[14:31] <charlie-tca> I am pretty sure Xubuntu alternate cd will not upgrade kubuntu
[14:32] <Frasier_Crane> might be just easier to re-install a fresh 9.04..
[14:36] <waan> charlie-tca: I currently have ubuntu 8.10, can I cross upgrade to xubuntu 9.04?
[14:36] <SamArthur> 9.04 is out - seeeeeeeeeeed! :)
[14:37] <charlie-tca> No
[14:37] <waan> I suppose I would need to re-install anyway for the new filesystem
[14:38] <charlie-tca> You would be better off with a fresh install of xubuntu 9.04, I think.
[14:38] <charlie-tca> Ext4?
[14:38] <charlie-tca> Check the release notes. It looks buggy to me
[14:38] <waan> Yes, is that a good choice?
[14:38] <waan> Ohh ok
[14:39] <charlie-tca> problems with deleting files, and problems maintaining files on some drives
[14:39] <liar> what filesystem should i use on a netbook with ssd?(acer aspire one)
[14:39] <charlie-tca> ext3 would be a good choice
[14:39] <charlie-tca> You can reset the time between fsck runs
[14:40] <waan> Hmm xubuntu isn't on my mirror yet, but ubuntu is
[14:40] <charlie-tca> give it a chance. Servers look swamped already
[14:41] <waan> release and source folders are there, but they're empty right now
[14:41] <skep> try another mirror or torrents
[14:41] <charlie-tca> It just takes time
[14:42] <charlie-tca> I can't even get to the images right now.
[14:42] <likemindead> So Ubuntu 9.04 has dropped by Xubuntu 9.04 hasn't yet?! Grr...
[14:42] <waan> I only get unmeterd from my ISP's mirror unfortunately so I have no option but to wait, or just upgrade ubuntu and then install xubuntu-desktop after
[14:42] <charlie-tca> Or the mirror hasn't got caught up yet
[14:42] <liar> charlie-tca: isn't ext3 bad for ssd's? because it is a journaling file system
[14:42] <likemindead> http://www.xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release
[14:43] <likemindead> Nevermind.
[14:43] <charlie-tca> I go direct to cannonical server, and can't get through
[14:43] <likemindead> Use .torrents folks!
[14:43] <waan> charlie-tca: heh servers are maxed pushing to mirrors maybe
[14:43] <charlie-tca> liar: I don't know.
[14:43] <charlie-tca> Use ext2 then. At least it is not in testing
[14:44] <charlie-tca> If ext4 was working really good and reliable, it would be the default in jaunty
[14:44] <skep> torrents are still not really fast..only 1 seeder and lots of peers with max 40% :-)
[14:44] <likemindead> Persevere!
[14:45] <charlie-tca> People got to get it first, to seed the torrents
[14:45] <Hetor> xubuntu.org is still outdated..
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Hetor: being updated now
[14:45] <likemindead> They just added a 9.04 link on the left.
[14:46] <waan> Yeah I noticed that too
[14:47] <waan> Tried to get 9.04 but thought they were still doing it
[14:50] <skep> so..i guess i will try ext4..if i remeber corrctly i can force a manual sync to be on a safer side with a special command..
[14:57] <Pres-Gas> skep, I think I am going to wait a bit more...see what we all decide for the next LTS
[14:57] <pvullo_> when will xubuntu jackty will be available ?
[14:57] <pvullo_> hi
[14:57] <Nikola> Is there a ShipIT Xubuntu?
[14:57] <TheSheep> pvullo_: it is
[14:57] <likemindead> pvullo_, NOW.
[14:57] <pvullo_> argh ! can't find the page !!
[14:58] <likemindead> Link under News on the left side of the front page.
[14:59] <pvullo_> ubuntu.com is down !!!
[14:59] <Nikola> Too many people are downloading.
[14:59] <TheSheep> xubuntu.org
[14:59] <skep> xubuntu.org is fine
[14:59] <Nikola> Yep
[14:59] <Nikola> But Ubuntu is a dead link ( for now...)
[14:59] <likemindead> I'm using Deluge.
[15:00] <skep> me too
[15:01] <pvullo_> it is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/release/
[15:02] <likemindead> Dammit... I'm at work and all the ports are closed for .torrents.
[15:03] <charlie-tca> You can do a direct download with out using torrent then
[15:03] <likemindead> Guess I'll have to do that.
[15:05] <Slonkie> Anyone know how to open a publisher 2007 (Microsoft crap) on xubuntu?
[15:05] <Slonkie> it's an publisher 2007 document ofcourse
[15:05] <likemindead> I don't think that format is supported on any Linux software. I looked quite a bit.
[15:05] <Slonkie> Damn
[15:07] <pvullo_> Wouhou !!!! 1M/s ! what enormous bandwith they have !! that's crazy !
[15:07] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: won't gimp open it?
[15:07] <Slonkie> sorry diden't get the document yet
[15:08] <Slonkie> I'll see if it works, charlie-tca. :)
[15:08] <charlie-tca> I don't know for sure. Might have to use something to convert the document type instead.
[15:09] <Pres-Gas> Okay, so once you use ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase, do you need to then do ecryptfs-(re)wrap-passphrase?
[15:13] <Slonkie> no gimp can't open it charlie-tca.
[15:14] <charlie-tca> sorry
[15:14] <Slonkie> don't be! ;)
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Pres-Gas: don't know
[15:18]  * Pres-Gas rtfm's within "/usr/share/doc/ecryptfs-utils
[15:19] <Hetor> crap. I had to reboot while was updating :\
[15:19] <charlie-tca> crap
[15:19] <charlie-tca> oops, I don't think we can say that
[15:19] <cody-somerville> lol
[15:21] <Hetor> anyways
[15:21] <Hetor> can anyone help me with a sound problem?
[15:21] <Pres-Gas> Poopie?
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Hetor: Did I fix it?
[15:22] <Hetor> sound breaks very often, and all I can do to fix it is to log off
[15:22] <charlie-tca> You mean it just quits in the middle of playing?
[15:23] <Hetor> it usualy happens when I'm quiting a game
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Is it using pulse audio?
[15:23] <Hetor> ALSA, I guess
[15:25] <Sniper606> I am running the RC, how come I am not seeing any updates in my update manager yet?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> Check if the game mutes it in mixer properties
[15:26] <charlie-tca> Sniper606: because there probably aren't any yet. If the RC did not have critical bugs, changes won't be made for the Final.
[15:27] <charlie-tca> You can run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal to check for sure
[15:27] <charlie-tca> Being the RC and Final releases, changes are kept to an absolute minimum
[15:28] <Pres-Gas> hmmm... charlie-tca, it does not seem to permanently unwrap it.  I catted out the passphrase file and it was gobbledygook
[15:29] <charlie-tca> That seems right, isn't it?
[15:30] <Pres-Gas> Yeah...I think I will file a bug or request for the man page to be clear about that
[15:37] <waan> Hmm the links are up on xubuntu.org but it take me to an empty mirror
[15:37] <likemindead> Use .torrents if you can.
[15:37] <waan> I cant unfortunately
[15:38] <likemindead> Same here. :-(
[15:38] <charlie-tca> The mirrors are not all there yet. They are still updating.
[15:38] <waan> charlie-tca: ok thanks i'll keep checking
[15:38] <charlie-tca> it is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/release/
[15:38] <charlie-tca> That one works.
[15:38] <waan> charlie-tca: would you have a guess as to when it might be ready on the australia mirror, as that is my ISP?
[15:39] <novabar_> hi
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Could be up to 24 hours. It depends on when they actually update their mirror again
[15:39] <Slonkie> !hi | novabar_
[15:39] <waan> Ohh ok, I thought it was pushed to the mirrors
[15:39] <novabar_> everything has disappeard from my desktop. What happened?
[15:41] <skep> download finished..lets burn this thing up
[15:42] <likemindead> Lucky bastard... I have close to two hours to go...
[15:43] <waan> I have undetermined amount of time to go
[15:43] <likemindead> I'm getting anywhere from 60-100KB/sec
[15:44] <skep> well..but no time to install later..have to do it tomorrow..so i'm not really lucky ;)
[16:46] <Slonkie> i've got a network printer in my network, any one know how i can add this in xubuntu?
[16:47] <charlie-tca> Applications -> System -> Printing , I think. click on Server, connect
[17:00] <wtv1> taskbar dissappeared. help!
[17:00] <wtv1> xfce 4
[17:00] <ladanz> stupid question: when i click on upgrad under xubuntu, he does upgradeXubuntu, and not Ubuntu, right?
[17:00] <charlie-tca__> yes
[17:00] <ladanz> thanks!
[17:00] <ladanz> so, happy upgrading!
[17:01] <charlie-tca__> !panels | wtv1
[17:01] <wtv1> charlie-tca__: thanks ^^
[17:01] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[17:02] <ladanz> been busy the last days guys?
[17:02] <ladanz> because of the update and stuff?
[17:02] <charlie-tca__> very
[17:25] <Feisar> could someone give me a link to the 9.04 torrent?
[17:25] <likemindead> http://www.xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release
[17:26] <charlie-tca__> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/xubuntu/releases/9.04/release/
[17:27] <charlie-tca__> is now valid
[17:27] <Feisar> great, that worked thanks
[17:41] <Aquina> Hey I've got a serious question. I had a look into the Xubuntu 8.04 ISO-file I downloaded last year and found no copy of the GPL in it. Why is it?
[17:42] <_Pete_> why should you find?
[17:43] <Aquina> Becasue it's written in the GPL that there has to be kept alicense intact with the project.
[17:43] <TheSheep> Aquina: I think the license is in the /usr/share/docs/ of every package
[17:43] <_Pete_> so is ubuntu GPL project?
[17:44] <TheSheep> _Pete_: no
[17:44] <Aquina> For ident: Xubuntu v8.04.iso (md5sum 665bcc283e131be4cb71ecb2bf0e3794)
[17:44] <_Pete_> well, that might be the reason there's no gpl licence :)
[17:44] <TheSheep> _Pete_: ubuntu is not a 'product' in the sense of license, it bundles a lot of products with different licenses
[17:44] <_Pete_> Yes
[17:44] <TheSheep> _Pete_: each program has its own license in /usr/share/docs/programname
[17:45] <_Pete_> Aquina: -^
[17:47] <_Pete_> Aquina: you got your answer?
[17:47] <Aquina> Hm... I see. Why not putting Xubuntu under a license and (package the parts seperately)?
[17:47] <TheSheep> Aquina: the parts have sometimes incompatible licenses
[17:48] <TheSheep> Aquina: there is an option in the installator to only install gpl-compatible parts, though
[18:02] <likemindead> Wow... I'm getting a whopping 6KB/sec from a mirror in Canada.
[18:02] <likemindead> Bah.
[18:03] <zoredache> use bittorrent perhaps?
[18:03] <likemindead> Can't. The ISP here at work has every port I've tried closed. ;-(
[18:05] <Kemeros> what are the alternate versions in the tracker?
[18:05] <Kemeros> like this: xubuntu-9.04-alternate-i386
[18:05] <charlie-tca__> Alternate version requires less memory to install. It does not use the graphic installer.
[18:06] <charlie-tca__> It won't run as a live cd either.
[18:06] <Kemeros> thank you for clearing that up :)
[18:06] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[18:08] <Kemeros> damn.. no utorrent for linux...bittornado it is then
[18:38]  * likemindead thinks it's awfully quiet in here for a Release Day...
[18:40] <charlie-tca__> Everybody is busy trying to download, so they don't have questions yet.
[18:40] <cody-somerville> lol
[18:41] <charlie-tca__> And, the U.S. mirror is still not up
[18:44] <likemindead> LAME.
[18:48] <StK> it's downloading here :> ... I'll be able to test it myself when it'll be downloaded but maybe someone can saved me some times ... I'd like to know if canonical includes a menu editor in xubuntu 9.04 ? (xfce 4.6 doesn't includes one at the moment)
[18:48] <likemindead> My local LUG is mirroring. ;D
[18:49] <likemindead> But only Ubuntu at the moment. :-\
[18:49] <charlie-tca__> Gnome includes a menu editor. Xfce 4.6 in xubuntu does not.
[18:49] <charlie-tca__> Canonical will not add to Xubuntu.
[19:01] <StK> ok thanks for your answer charlie-tca__
[19:01] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[19:02] <charlie-tca__> There will be a menu editor in Xfce 4.8 when it comes out
[19:11] <mloolm> Hello, does anyone know if it's possible to setup a user without write/owner permissions on their home directory?
[19:11] <mloolm> to prevent the use from making changes, or creating new files
[19:12] <zoredache> why?
[19:12] <zoredache> there are other places in the filesystem where they would write like /tmp
[19:13] <SiDi> mloolm: i think you're looking for a guest account. You can't prevent an user from writing on the HDD
[19:13] <mloolm> I'm setting up an internet kiosk, once I've setup the desktop I want to prevent any changes being made or files being saved to the machine
[19:13] <SiDi> Or he/she won't be able to use a graphic environment, as it needs to write files here n there
[19:14] <mloolm> okay, I thought it was a bit of a longshot, thanks for helping me on on this
[19:14] <SiDi> mloolm: you still *can* do it though
[19:14] <likemindead> At least you won't have to worry about virus infection...
[19:15] <zoredache> mloolm: have you consider building something like the livecd where the 'real' filesystem is read-only, and then you have a read-write filesystem unionfs mounted on top.  the read-write fs would be whiped each time
[19:15] <mloolm> I'm removed permissions from 99%, but if I change ownership on .dmrc xfce won't log in
[19:15] <SiDi> but make sure that the permissions on any folder beginning by . are normal, and make sure there is no additional app that will require writing to the ~... but you can't do more than that, and if they know about /tmp or about ls -la they'll be able to write
[19:16] <mloolm> something like how a live CD works would be perfect, I hadn't considered that
[19:16] <zoredache> you could use some of the tools out there to build a livecd to build a live enviroment like you need, then build a fat filesystem on your drive, and copy files onto the dirve like you where building a liveusb
[19:17] <mloolm> thank you, I'll look in to the live CD tools.  I don't mind if they write to /tmp, I just don't want any permanent changes made to the home directory
[19:17] <charlie-tca__> You could set up a skeleton file in /etc and copy it to /home after the user is finished; it will erase /home and reinstall the needed files then
[19:19] <likemindead> Will most optical drives hold up to running a LiveCD constantly?
[19:20] <zoredache> likemindead: not really, but the livecd enviroment can be easily installed to a flash-based device which should last for a long long time
[19:21] <likemindead> That's what I figured would be best.
[19:21] <zoredache> or you could even netboot a live-enviroment and have no local devices at all
[19:22] <zoredache> the ltsp basically does that
[19:22] <FireSide> for live CDs i use a bNAND USB Drive... i write an ISO to it and it shows up as a USB cdrom drive
[19:23] <Pres-Gas> Is it me, or is launchpad slow right now?
[19:24] <FireSide> its kind of a cdrom emulator built into a flash drive
[19:24] <zoredache> Pres-Gas: it is release day... almost everything tends to be slow....
[19:24] <Idespnnr> hey folks
[19:24] <Pres-Gas> I figured, zoredache, but I am wanting to rule out wonkyness with my interwebz
[19:25] <Idespnnr> im interested in some functional differences between gnome and xfce...
[19:25] <Idespnnr> will I notice a usability(applications) difference
[19:26] <charlie-tca__> Launchpad is broken
[19:26] <zoredache> there are differences here and there...  You may notice them onoccasion
[19:27] <Idespnnr> im guessing then that for the most part the enduser wont notice it
[19:27] <zoredache> the differences I see asked about most often are related to accessing networks, and the menu-editor...
[19:28] <zoredache> Idespnnr: it depends a lot on the user...
[19:29] <Idespnnr> well, im thinking of a user geared more towards running applications
[19:29] <Idespnnr> one whos only on the computer to run firefox, audacity, some media player
[19:30] <Idespnnr> if its all more management stuff like network config and menu editing, there sounds like there no functional difference from a usability perspective
[19:53] <likemindead> Any of you folks involved in a LUG?
[20:17] <SiDi> Not me
[20:19] <datacrusher> where do i find xubuntu 9 torrents?
[20:19] <charlie-tca__> http://xubuntu.org/get
[20:20] <datacrusher> thanks! what the difference from desktop to alternate
[20:20] <charlie-tca__> Desktop uses a graphics installer and works as a live cd. You can try it before installing.
[20:21] <charlie-tca__> Alternate uses a text based installer and you don't get to try it first
[20:21] <charlie-tca__> Alternate uses less memory for installing, too
[20:21] <datacrusher> i see
[20:21] <charlie-tca__> You need the alternate cd if you to encrypt the drive
[20:22] <datacrusher> well, im certain about installing it. but maybe some of the buddies from home wanna take a look
[20:22] <datacrusher> ill stay with the desktop one
[20:22] <datacrusher> thanks for the information!
[20:23] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[20:23] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca__, you do not necesarily need the alternate cd for encrypting
[20:23] <Pres-Gas> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/02/jaunty-encrypted-home-directories.html
[20:23] <charlie-tca__> Well, actually, since the encryption part don't work on the live cd...
[20:23] <Pres-Gas> Worked for me
[20:23] <charlie-tca__> or did that get fixed too?
[20:24] <Pres-Gas> I was installing with an RC release and appending the "user-setup/encrypt-home=true" worked
[20:25] <charlie-tca__> Great! But you still need the alternate cd to encrypt the entire drive?
[20:26] <demmon> !torrent
[20:26] <demmon> !torrents
[20:28] <demmon> where can i find xubuntu torrent
[20:29] <Pres-Gas> demmon: http://xubuntu.org/get
[20:29] <knome> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/release/
[20:31] <demmon> cool
[20:31] <demmon> thanks
[20:43] <premorphos> hey im a newb to xubuntu but it rocks....wile poking around trying to lern/geting ati drivers to work, i srewed up pretty bad... please help me
[20:44] <Slonkie> !ask | premorphos
[20:44] <Slonkie> !question
[20:44] <premorphos> got it..i need to get my default driver back but how
[20:45] <cody-somerville> premorphos, Applications > System > Hardware Drivers
[20:45] <cody-somerville> Disable the restricted drivers
[20:45] <cody-somerville> or do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[20:46] <premorphos> allright so simple... tnx
[20:47] <cody-somerville> np
[21:05] <premorphos> cody-somerville, im being told that xerver-xorg is missing, any ideas
[21:05] <cody-somerville> xserver-xorg, not xerver-org
[21:06] <premorphos> thats what i meant sorry..
[21:08] <cody-somerville> That might explain your problem
[21:08] <cody-somerville> lol
[21:10] <premorphos> its quite funny im runnung xubuntu in low grafics and without windowdecorator. and trying to fix my os. i installed the propetiatry driver for ati
[21:15] <psychic> i need some assistance
[21:15] <vinnl> With what?
[21:15] <charlie-tca__> vinnl: website update needed - http://xubuntu.org/get - Upgrading - Need to change from Xubuntu 7.04 to 8.04 now. 7.04 and 7.10 are EOL
[21:16] <vinnl> charlie-tca__, will do
[21:16] <charlie-tca__> crap, wrong channel. Oh, well
[21:16] <psychic> my display is only using 800x600
[21:16] <psychic> i need larger i had larger then it reverted to the smaller
[21:17] <psychic> and my desktop icons and files disappeared
[21:17] <vinnl> psychic, regarding the latter... Can you press Alt+F2, then run xfdesktop?
[21:18] <premorphos> it is complete horror. i got xerver-xorg and vesa ticked in synaptic but still cant untick the godforsaken ati driver
[21:18] <psychic> ok thats done
[21:18] <vinnl> psychic, and? Did the icons reappear?
[21:18] <psychic> but my screen size is still way of
[21:18] <psychic> yes
[21:18] <vinnl> Good
[21:19] <psychic> its been acting up on me since 2 days ago first it switched themes on me
[21:19] <psychic> then the display shrunk
[21:20] <psychic> i ran out of diskspace i was down to 3.3 mb
[21:20] <psychic> i thought that was the problem but it didnt do anything to clear up 9 gigs
[21:22] <psychic> i also had a problem with xchat the channel list disappeared and it wouldn't reconnect at all so i searched bulleteins til i found out how i can reach xubuntu help on pidgin
[21:22] <psychic> is anyone else here
[21:22] <psychic> ?
[21:23] <charlie-tca__> Have you tried running updates from a TTY console?
[21:23] <charlie-tca__> Also, a complete restart?
[21:25] <psychic> yea
[21:25] <psychic> and yea
[21:26] <psychic> actual the thing that caused the screen to shrink was when i was trying to fix some other stuff i did the esc thing on start up
[21:26] <psychic> to restore it to its last good configuration
[21:31] <premorphos> i installed the ati driver in system/add/remove utility.. system crashed.. how can i backtrack this change? ps verry happy for help
[21:33] <charlie-tca__> Add/remove utility - remove
[21:35] <premorphos> dont work qus outher prosesses are dependent
[21:35] <premorphos> im not alowed
[21:35] <premorphos> ps tnx for youre reply
[21:36] <demmon> the damn torrent for alternative I386 stopped on 99.90% damn torrent
[21:36] <Belding> mine stopped at 41% but slowly starting up again
[21:37] <demmon> i am seeding with 60mbs but downloading with 0.6
[21:42] <kromar> hi
[21:43] <vinnl> !hi
[21:43] <NickPresta> Greetings
[21:44] <NickPresta> Is anyone else experiencing X slowing down and even locking up briefly, when Firefox is open full screen and you try to Alt+Tab or open new tabs, etc? My X usage jumps up to ~70%
[21:45] <premorphos> i figured it out it had to be done threv synaptic... hmm odd
[21:45] <TheSheep> NickPresta: yeah, ff is a hog
[21:45] <premorphos> yes but mine can go to 100%
[21:45] <TheSheep> NickPresta: it happens especially if you changed some gtk settings ad didn't restart ff
[21:45] <NickPresta> TheSheep, my system isn't extremely 'low spec', and in 8.10, this was a non-issue. This only started happening right after the upgrade.
[21:46] <TheSheep> NickPresta: it happens for me in 8.10
[21:46] <TheSheep> NickPresta: although rarely
[21:46] <TheSheep> 9.04 has too slow window switching for me to upgrade
[21:46] <NickPresta> TheSheep, well, it happens in other applications that are open full screen and you have ~4 windows open all at once. *shrug*
[21:46] <premorphos> is ff hoggin proccesor capasity, you say
[21:47] <NickPresta> Any time I Alt+Tab or minimise/maximise windows, X jumps to > 30% CPU usage. Firefox is not even open and it is happening right now..
[21:47] <TheSheep> NickPresta: from what I understand, they wanted to make window refresh more fluent, so now they wait until it refreshes completely before switching -- I like the old way better, it shows some artifacts, but works instantly
[21:48] <NickPresta> TheSheep, hmm. Are you saying this is directly related to XFCE 4.6?
[21:48] <TheSheep> NickPresta: what's your graphics card?
[21:48] <TheSheep> NickPresta: I'm not entirely sure if it's the same thing as for me
[21:49] <NickPresta> TheSheep, Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]
[21:50] <TheSheep> mine's intel...
[21:51] <r3tex> when I upgraded to Jaunty my application shortcuts stopped working. Am I supposed to turn them on or something?
[21:51] <NickPresta> Hmm. Well, this is inconvenient. I'm going to do some more research and see if I can figure this out. I like Xubuntu because its light-weight and things were _instant_ on this laptop.
[21:52] <vinnl> r3tex, do *none* of them work anymore? Also, are you talking about shortcuts in the panel, on your desktop, in your menu or elsewhere?
[21:52] <r3tex> vinnl: I know of 2 places to set up shortcuts, the windowmanager, and application shortcuts. Only the latter are not working.
[21:53] <psychic> can some one help me resize my display
[21:53] <r3tex> vinnl: for example I can't change volume with `aumix` or open a terminal
[21:53] <psychic> i have a black frame around the screen
[21:53] <psychic> its in 800x600 i need larger 1200 somthing
[21:53] <vinnl> r3tex, ah, you mean keyboard shortcuts, like you press a key combination and it executes an application?
[21:58] <psychic> anyone?
[21:58] <premorphos> does any body know a simple way to appy the proprietary drivers for ati radeon 9000. in intrepid. iv tryed every thing on the forums
[21:59] <r3tex> vinnl: exactly
[21:59] <r3tex> it stopped working after I rebooted into Jaunty
[21:59] <vinnl> r3tex, possibly something went wrong with the conversion to the new configuration system, have you checked the new settings?
[21:59] <premorphos> btw my baby is back to normal
[22:00] <vinnl> Worst case scenario: you'll have to set them all again
[22:00] <charlie-tca__> If you upgraded or kept the /home from 8.10, you might have to delete ~/.config to get things working right.
[22:06] <r3tex> vinnl: yeah, I've messed around with the config files. Can I clear .config/
[22:06] <r3tex> oops
[22:06] <vinnl> Yeah or rename it so you have a backup, just in case
[22:06] <r3tex> .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[22:06] <r3tex> mkay
[22:08] <r3tex> I also have to do it while X is off I think
[22:19] <Digit0> hello
[22:19] <Digit0> just installed 9.04
[22:20] <vinnl> Congrats :)
[22:20] <Digit0> how can I controll the LCD brightness ?
[22:21] <Digit0> *control
[22:23] <psychic> can someone help me with my tech issue?
[22:24] <zoredache> !ask | psychic
[22:32] <Digit0> how can I control the LCD brightness in xubuntu?
[22:34] <psychic> zoredache how do i resize my screen to fill the display??
[22:41] <zoredache> psychic: not sure.  I would guess xorg hasn't properly detected your video card, you nay need to install a restricted driver or something.
[22:42] <psychic> where can i find one?
[22:42] <psychic> it used to function correctly
[22:43] <conk> Just installed 9.04.  After updating using Update Manager all desktop icons disappeared, and I'm unable to add them back.  Found a post elsewhere saying Conky could be to blame - but I cannot find the config file, under Home or anywhere else.  Tried Catfish but it gives a fatal error.
[22:44] <vinnl> conk, can you see if pressing Alt+F2 and running "xfdesktop" works?
[22:46] <cj__> Digit0: (might depend on Xfce version) open shell and type: "xfce-setting-show backdrop" (w/o quotes)
[22:46] <conk> vinnl - Many thanks.  Yes that worked.
[22:46] <vinnl> Good :)
[22:46] <r3tex> vinnl: clean config, everything's reset but no application shortcuts working
[22:46] <r3tex> not even the default ones
[22:46] <vinnl> :S
[22:46] <r3tex> d'oh :(
[22:46] <r3tex> sorta annoying
[22:47] <r3tex> i like having a shortcut for terminal for example
[22:47] <vinnl> Ehm... They *are* listed in the settings application?
[22:47] <vinnl> Tell me about it, keyboard shortcuts are half my productivity
[22:47] <conk> vinnl - So I have a better understanding, Can you briefly explain what went wrong?  c
[22:47] <r3tex> you mean like 'command' '<Alt>Return' ?
[22:48] <r3tex> sure, like <Control><Alt>Delete is for xflock4
[22:48] <r3tex> that doesn't work either
[22:48] <vinnl> conk, I don't know *how* it went wrong, and why (you're not the first), but somehow the application that manages the desktop (xfdesktop) crashed and you just restarted it
[22:48] <vinnl> r3tex, that's really odd :S You might check in the #xfce channel
[22:48] <Digit0> cj__, the version that comes with xubuntu 9.04
[22:49] <Digit0> I dont have that command
[22:49] <r3tex> alrighty thanks
[22:49] <conk> vinnl - but if it crashed, I would have expected it to load upon reboot, but it didn't.  Probably a bad assumption.
[22:50] <vinnl> Not if you save your session on logout conk
[22:50] <vinnl> (You don't happen to use Xubuntu 9.04? It should automatically restart upon crashing there)
[22:51] <conk> vinnl - Good point.  Thanks again!
[22:51] <vinnl> yw :)
[22:53] <vinnl> I'm off too, bye
[22:57] <zutme> I just installed xubuntu 9.04 on my dell inspiron mini 9 and the sd card reader doesn't seem to be working. It worked under a different ubuntu variant based on 8.10. Any ideas?
[23:23] <WDC> Hello. I am in a LiveCD of 9.04 right now, and there is no option under the manual selection of the partitioner that says ext4.
[23:23] <WDC> Any ideas?
[23:36] <avuton> I hate to be the 10^9'th person to ask (hope I'm not) but will the new xfce4 hit jaunty (and when or is there a bug?)?
[23:37] <charlie-tca__> Yes, it is in Jaunty. Yes, there are bugs. No, it is not the default, ext3 is. Yes, you must use the alternate cd it partition with it.
[23:37] <charlie-tca__> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904 for the issues with ext4
[23:38] <charlie-tca__> Ignore all of that. I misread it.
[23:38] <charlie-tca__> Xfce 4.6 is in jaunty. Works great! Xfce 4.6.1 will be upgraded to in a few days
[23:44] <WDC> Can anyone please help? I have no ext4 option in my Xubuntu 9.04 install
[23:45] <charlie-tca__> WDC: You need to use the alternate cd to use ext4
[23:45] <WDC> charlie-tca__: really
[23:45] <WDC> charlie-tca__: Well that's great
[23:45] <charlie-tca__> Please read the Ubuntu release notes at http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[23:46] <charlie-tca__> It is not the default for a reason. It does have bugs in it.
[23:46] <avuton> Sorry, should have been more specific, 4.6.1 was what I was talking about :) Thanks
[23:46] <charlie-tca__> Did I answer it?
[23:47] <avuton> Yes, thanks :)
[23:47] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[23:48] <WDC> Yep i got it
[23:48] <WDC> Thank you very much!!
[23:48] <charlie-tca__> You are welcome
[23:48] <WDC> Oh realy quick, what type of bugs does it bring?
[23:49] <charlie-tca__> sometimes it will lock-up the kernel when you delete files.
[23:49] <WDC> That's it?
[23:49] <charlie-tca__> grow/shrink the partition to lose data
[23:49]  * WDC thinks about his deleting habits
[23:50] <charlie-tca__> Those are the ones noted. There may be more
[23:50] <WDC> That's not too bad
[23:50] <WDC> Well thank very much. I'm downloading the torrent right now
[23:50] <avuton> Yeah, if you are hell bent on losing information then go all the way and try btrfs. Not saying it has known problems, but why not just go all the way ;)
[23:50] <charlie-tca__> I would think it depends on how often it locks up
[23:50] <WDC> hehe
[23:51] <charlie-tca__> Your testing ext4 is appreciated. Please report any bugs you find
[23:51] <WDC> charlie-tca__: oh yes of course :)