| kb9vqf | Ncommander: Can you please rescore kde-guidance-kde3 in the same PPA? That's the last package I need built before I can release the KDE3 CDs | 00:06 |
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| NCommander | kb9vqf, are these add-on CDs? (like edubuntu? | 00:06 |
| NCommander | kb9vqf, can you give me the link again? | 00:06 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: It's a complete remix of Jaunty with KDE3 instead of KDE4 | 00:06 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: https://launchpad.net/~kb9vqf/+archive | 00:06 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: Thanks! | 00:07 |
| NCommander | kb9vqf, you could consider doing it like an addon CD like Edubuntu | 00:07 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: I'll have to look into that in the future | 00:07 |
| NCommander | kb9vqf, what are you using to build your CDs? | 00:07 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: reconstructor | 00:07 |
| NCommander | ah | 00:08 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: 1500+ downloads of the prerelease version! | 00:08 |
| NCommander | kb9vqf, nice! | 00:08 |
| NCommander | kb9vqf, question, is it possible to go from installed KDE4 to KDE3? | 00:08 |
| NCommander | because I'll help you make that addon CD | 00:09 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: Yes, you can go from KDE4 to KDE3 | 00:09 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: Basically, you install KDE3 alongside KDE4, then remove KDE4 | 00:09 |
| * kb9vqf needs to grab something to eat...has had a really hectic day at work :/ | 00:09 | |
| NCommander | kb9vqf, rescored. | 00:10 |
| jpds | ScottK: File a bug against the LP project shipit. | 00:10 |
| NCommander | kb9vqf, here's what it would look like: http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted | 00:11 |
| nixternal | seele: oo.o has a plugin that supports ooxml and should be in the next release iirc | 00:14 |
| seele | hmm | 00:17 |
| * seele still wont let her students submit docx and pptx files ;P | 00:17 | |
| nixternal | i was actually worse than you, I would let them submit anything other than odf | 00:17 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what possible rationale? | 00:18 |
| nixternal | told them their reports and everything should be done in LaTeX, and I want the source as well....I wouldn't accept anything other than odf and txt | 00:18 |
| nixternal | Riddell: just cuz I could | 00:18 |
| nixternal | no rationale, it was a course on "Open Source" | 00:18 |
| seele | considering the name of the course, i think that's ok | 00:19 |
| nixternal | ya, it was history and what not, but there was a reason to it | 00:20 |
| nixternal | part of my teaching was that "the corporate world does this, they can only except MS Office stuff....blah blah" | 00:20 |
| nixternal | and the best response I heard was from a 16 year old lady who said "now we know how people feel when they don't have a choice" | 00:21 |
| seele | hah.. a lesson in democracy | 00:21 |
| nixternal | in 2 weeks they got to learn oo.o, some gimp, firefox (which most knew already), GNOME & KDE, Linux | 00:21 |
| nixternal | they had fun...I will tell you this, teaching that course to high school students was so much easier than teaching it to college students or adult education students who returned back to college | 00:22 |
| nixternal | one thing I learned from it, was when someone has gone so long without have a choice, or knowing that they have a choice, when they are presented with the choice, they typically don't take kindly to it....stuck in their ways I guess | 00:23 |
| nixternal | funny, just yesterday I went by the campus, and it seems their Open Source and Linux courses are now the most popular courses in CS there | 00:23 |
| nixternal | when I went there, people wouldn't sign up for those courses so they always got dropped | 00:23 |
| Riddell | claydoh: able to answer that "Duplicate email uses for kubuntu user forum" e-mail? because I don't understand it at all | 00:25 |
| === noisymime_ is now known as noisymime | ||
| Daskreech | seele: I think that support for .docx is why OO.o is version 3 now. There isn't a hell of of a lot of other changes | 00:36 |
| Daskreech | nixternal: I don't get it they were "teaching" FOSS | 00:37 |
| Daskreech | ? How does that rationalize? | 00:37 |
| seele | Daskreech: special topic class? | 00:43 |
| Daskreech | Yes but how do you teach and grade FOSS? :) | 00:43 |
| nixternal | yes, special topic class | 00:43 |
| nixternal | you don't grade | 00:43 |
| Daskreech | Ah We don't have those here | 00:44 |
| * seele is confused about the confusion | 00:44 | |
| nixternal | it is a 2 week course that meets 2 nights a week | 00:44 |
| nixternal | haha | 00:44 |
| Daskreech | You learn something to go and do something with or not at all | 00:44 |
| nixternal | seele: in b.k.o HIG I am guessing is the Human Interface Guidelines? | 00:44 |
| seele | yeah, although i tend to ignore them | 00:44 |
| nixternal | I have a bug here that is about the "About" dialogs and it isn't docs as we don't do that, the developers of the apps do | 00:45 |
| seele | i closed a bunch of them as WONTFIX and they were reopened so i just ignore it now | 00:45 |
| nixternal | I need to get it out of docs one way or the other | 00:45 |
| seele | theyre not just asking for a rule that About should be in every app? | 00:45 |
| nixternal | the reporter has lissted like 15 apps and what their About Dialog should say...I am thinking reject the bug and tell the reporter to open up a bug for each one of the apps that he listed | 00:45 |
| nixternal | KDE bug 170949 | 00:46 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 170949 in general "About box text doesn't give any useful information " [Wishlist,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170949 | 00:46 |
| seele | that doesnt have anything to do with the hig | 00:47 |
| seele | that's like saying "Application X doesnt do what I want it to do so define it in the HIG" | 00:47 |
| nixternal | ya, but it doesn't have anything to do with docs, and I wanted to make someone else do work, and while scrolling I saw HIG in the drop down :p | 00:48 |
| nixternal | wasn't going to assign it, just noticed it, that's all | 00:48 |
| seele | ooh, i thought you meant it was filed under hig | 00:48 |
| nixternal | thought it was interesting it had its own bug stuff | 00:48 |
| seele | heh heh | 00:48 |
| seele | yeah, i dont know who or why it was created | 00:48 |
| Daskreech | kb9vqf: Question | 00:57 |
| Daskreech | have you tested a Hardy upgrade to Jaunty? | 00:58 |
| kb9vqf | Daskreech: Not yet; it's on my to-do list | 01:41 |
| kb9vqf | Which is, of course, a mile long ;-) | 01:41 |
| * Daskreech walks a mile in kb9vqf's shoes | 01:41 | |
| Daskreech | kb9vqf: Did you see the ubottu fact? | 01:42 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: When would you like to work on help.k.o ? | 01:46 |
| jjesse | hopefully soon :) | 02:01 |
| jjesse | happy launch paryt day :) | 02:09 |
| quassel208 | whats the user name for mysql ? | 02:13 |
| Daskreech | mysql | 02:13 |
| seele | for the process or account? | 02:23 |
| seele | i think it uses root by default as the app username | 02:23 |
| nixternal | hey, all of these screen artifact issues, are they related to qt 4.5 and kde 4.2? | 02:40 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: possibly tomorrow...my laptop keeps locking up so it isn't stable to work on, my desktop I am putting Debian back on it and KDE trunk | 02:40 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: *nod*, whenever. We can put it off until UDS and get it done then too, if you'd rather. | 02:42 |
| jjesse | is that h.k.o you two kids are talking about? | 02:44 |
| jjesse | i had someone drop me a note on identi.ca if that was going to implemented soon | 02:45 |
| nixternal | jjesse: ya | 02:47 |
| claydoh | happy release day! | 03:09 |
| claydoh | ya, I am late to the party | 03:09 |
| Daskreech | claydoh: That's fine. You are Beautiful | 03:14 |
| claydoh | Thanks, its good to hear words like that, even if its only once ;) | 03:15 |
| === lex79 is now known as l3x | ||
| nixternal | hrmm, drive encryption is confusing in jaunty...I encrypt /home and swap in the partitioning section...then after some stuff installs I get a window asking if I want to encrypt my home directory....wth is that all about? | 03:23 |
| nixternal | encrypt /home twice? | 03:23 |
| Daskreech | you encrypted swap? | 03:26 |
| nixternal | of course | 03:26 |
| Daskreech | how about /tmp ? | 03:26 |
| nixternal | yup | 03:28 |
| nixternal | err, no | 03:28 |
| nixternal | just /home and swap | 03:28 |
| seele | nixternal: the qt artifacts yes, although now there are intel graphics driver problems | 03:28 |
| sched | how can ii download codes using my svn https account | 03:28 |
| sched | ?? | 03:28 |
| Daskreech | svn co | 03:29 |
| sched | k | 03:29 |
| nixternal | for which svn? | 03:29 |
| sched | as given in the tutorial page for relocation I need to have svn switch command | 03:29 |
| nixternal | for anonsvn.kde.org? | 03:30 |
| sched | no not for anonsvn | 03:30 |
| sched | I have my account registered as https | 03:30 |
| sched | in the kde org | 03:30 |
| sched | snv switch --relocate commnad is not working??? | 03:31 |
| sched | it is telling not enough arguments. | 03:31 |
| nixternal | svn switch http://old https://username@new | 03:32 |
| nixternal | sched: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/First_Steps_with_your_KDE_SVN_Account | 03:32 |
| nixternal | that covers everything you need | 03:32 |
| nixternal | should have been in the email you received for KDE SVN access | 03:32 |
| sched | I am gone thorough http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/First_Steps_with_your_KDE_SVN_Account | 03:33 |
| nixternal | also, you might want to read through http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Commit_Policy once you have everything setup | 03:33 |
| sched | i have setup the account successfully. | 03:33 |
| sched | svn switch --relocate https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/apps --username XYZ | 03:34 |
| nixternal | you are missing the anonsvn part | 03:34 |
| sched | but it is showing incomplete argument | 03:35 |
| nixternal | svn switch --relocate http://anonsvn.... https://svn.kde.org.... --username foo | 03:35 |
| nixternal | the first steps with your kde svn account sshows that, though I will admit it is difficult to read due to that scrolling garbage | 03:35 |
| sched | yeah now i got it | 03:41 |
| sched | but svn switch --relocate svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/apps --username foo | 03:41 |
| sched | but the output is svn. is not a working copy | 03:42 |
| sched | what to do now | 03:42 |
| sched | ?? | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | you dident have a wc to begin with? | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | if not then just do normal co | 03:42 |
| sched | In that case don't i have to switch the address | 03:43 |
| sched | As it is written over there | 03:43 |
| sched | / | 03:43 |
| imbrandon | correct | 03:43 |
| sched | thn how can I do that | 03:44 |
| sched | as it is always coming that .svn is not a working copy | 03:44 |
| imbrandon | ok lets back up a tiny bit, what are you ultimately trying to do? | 03:45 |
| imbrandon | get a wc with the new url right ? | 03:45 |
| sched | I have set up my account successfully | 03:45 |
| imbrandon | ok but that dont awnser my question, do you or dont you already have a wc | 03:46 |
| sched | I can even go to https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/ pages through | 03:46 |
| sched | firefox | 03:46 |
| sched | But I need to download the source code for dolphin | 03:46 |
| sched | from svn & rebuild that code | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | ok so why not do a normal co ? | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | e.g. do you already have a wc | 03:46 |
| sched | I have tried with the anonymous account of svn with normal co | 03:47 |
| imbrandon | ok so you DO have a wc ? | 03:47 |
| sched | what is wc?? | 03:47 |
| imbrandon | working copy | 03:47 |
| sched | no | 03:48 |
| sched | How to get that?? | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | you have -0- code on your hdd now correct ? ok in that case ..... | 03:48 |
| sched | yes | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | yes what ? | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | yes you have code ? or no , no code | 03:48 |
| sched | I dont have any code in my hdd | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | ok then do "svn co https://svn.kde.org/path/to/dolphin --username foo" | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | and you should be set | 03:49 |
| sched | k | 03:51 |
| sched | oh no again error | 03:52 |
| sched | svn: OPTIONS of 'https://svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/apps/dolphin': Could not resolve hostname `svn.kde.org': Host not found (https://svn.kde.org) | 03:52 |
| imbrandon | kk, what error | 03:52 |
| sched | that i have posted just now | 03:52 |
| sched | unable to resolve the host name?? | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | wow, looks like you might have dns issues | 03:53 |
| sched | what to do now? | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | i can reach it, can anyone else not ? nixternal ? | 03:53 |
| sched | I am under a proxy network | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | ahhh svn might need to know about your proxy | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | i'm not sure how to tell svn about the proxy, you might have to google it | 03:54 |
| sched | 'how to setup the proxy for svn | 03:54 |
| sched | k | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | i'll be here for a few hours, if you need more help holler | 03:54 |
| sched | k | 03:55 |
| sched | i am trying | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | ( just make sure and say my name so it hilights in IRC incase i'm afk ) | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | sched: you might also look into graphical svn clients or once that plugin to your ide of choice ( like subclipse for eclipse ) upto you | 03:57 |
| sched | I got the way to set up proxy for tht | 03:57 |
| sched | trying to set up | 03:57 |
| imbrandon | kk | 03:57 |
| nixternal | I just svn up'd | 03:59 |
| nixternal | xdg-user-dirs are very very annoying | 04:11 |
| Daskreech | How so? | 04:13 |
| sched | messup | 04:13 |
| sched | messwd up | 04:13 |
| sched | can some one help me to configure svn for proxy network | 04:13 |
| Daskreech | nixternal: We should make more use of them | 04:13 |
| sched | I have uncommented the l ines | 04:14 |
| sched | porx-host | 04:14 |
| sched | and the port one | 04:14 |
| nixternal | Daskreech: first off, I hate Directory Names Like This, but luckily for me zsh fixes this problem easily | 04:22 |
| nixternal | then the only ones I use are Pictures | 04:22 |
| nixternal | the rest are useless for me | 04:23 |
| nixternal | I like to keep all of my stuff in one place | 04:23 |
| Daskreech | ~/Desktop ~/Pictures ~/Stuph | 04:23 |
| nixternal | I have to much stuff open to worry about ~/Desktop | 04:24 |
| nixternal | d'oh | 04:35 |
| nixternal | remember to install zsh prior to doing 'sudo usermod -d /bin/zsh nixternal' | 04:35 |
| Daskreech | I read that as ZFS for some reason | 04:35 |
| ScottK | jpds: Thanks. | 04:55 |
| * ScottK ponders how to respond to the ayatana emails .... | 05:01 | |
| ScottK | Most particularly the one where I suggested using the new systray protocol and then got called an idiot for wanting a gkt+ menu dialog. | 05:02 |
| rgreening | ha | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: i missed that one, what list ? | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | i really think we need to work on the notifications of gnome apps in KDE | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | they are ummm, not consistant | 05:30 |
| ScottK | On the ~ayatana list. | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | :) | 05:30 |
| ScottK | Look at the ~ayatana team on Launchpad. | 05:31 |
| imbrandon | k | 05:31 |
| ScottK | If you want to that is. You probably don't. It's painful. | 05:32 |
| imbrandon | nixternal: really, i use them all, + more like ~/Projects and ~/Source etc | 05:33 |
| ScottK | You can nominate bugs for Karmic now. | 05:35 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: what about a kde/qtosd-notify that mimics the gtk one | 05:36 |
| imbrandon | thats more of what i was thinking, proto and all | 05:37 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: Dunno. | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | just a passing thought though | 05:37 |
| ScottK | Canonical is developing notisfy-osd and it's cousins so the question is what to do about that. | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | dunno how much you have used gnome lately ( specificly ubuntu ) but they way they have it , is really slick, i miust admit | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | i dont like the delay in the security notifications but thats a whole nother ball of wax | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: it is floss though correct ? e.g. gpl vX ? | 05:39 |
| ScottK | It is FLOSS. I think GPL v2. | 05:39 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: I have yet to see anyone other that the ones that developed the idea that do (like the delays) | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | cool, then we just need to get them to accept kde patches :) ( much easier said on irc then done i know ) | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | i can *kinda* see ( but not have to like about -updates ) but -security there should be -0- delay IMHO | 05:40 |
| ScottK | You and everyone else. | 05:41 |
| imbrandon | so honestly, where do we take it to? i'm serouisly of the opinion it cant wait till next release | 05:42 |
| imbrandon | constructively that is, not just bitching on irc and blogs | 05:42 |
| ScottK | It's decided. You change the gconf setting to get the old behavior back on your boxes and hope they revisit for Karmic. | 05:43 |
| imbrandon | ugh, sounds like a fun battle thats almost religious in nature | 05:44 |
| Daskreech | imbrandon: If by slick you mean pretty | 05:51 |
| === k4v is now known as m4v | ||
| kb9vqf | Daskreech: Yes; I think that needs to be changed. "Fact" my eye! ;-) | 06:22 |
| Daskreech | kb9vqf: Change it to your liking | 06:22 |
| kb9vqf | Daskreech: I can do that? | 06:22 |
| * kb9vqf looks around on Google | 06:22 | |
| Daskreech | :-) | 06:23 |
| Daskreech | !nothing | 06:23 |
| ubottu | Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail. | 06:23 |
| Daskreech | !athing | 06:23 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about athing | 06:23 |
| Daskreech | !athing is an example factoid | 06:23 |
| Daskreech | And now she'll remember that :) | 06:23 |
| Daskreech | just do !factoidname is | 06:23 |
| kb9vqf | !athing | 06:24 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about athing | 06:24 |
| Daskreech | with what you would like it to be after | 06:24 |
| Daskreech | It's in approval queue now | 06:24 |
| Daskreech | Obviously you don't want random people changing it like a wiki | 06:24 |
| kb9vqf | OK | 06:24 |
| kb9vqf | :-) | 06:24 |
| Daskreech | but just do /msg ubottu KDE3 is <what you would like to say> | 06:25 |
| Daskreech | and she'll thank you and tell you where to follow up on it | 06:25 |
| * Daskreech suggests a small line about where to go if you would like to help | 06:26 | |
| Daskreech | If you have time now I can work with you on the statement | 06:26 |
| kb9vqf | How about: While Jaunty does not include KDE 3 by default, you can install it or get LiveCDs with it preinstalled at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty | 06:26 |
| kb9vqf | Or: While Jaunty does not include KDE 3 by default, you can find installation instructions and download LiveCDs with it preinstalled at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty | 06:27 |
| ScottK | kb9vqf: You need to describe it as a remix. It's not Kubuntu Jaunty. | 06:27 |
| Daskreech | You are not offically supported correct? | 06:27 |
| Daskreech | ^^ That | 06:27 |
| kb9vqf | No, I am not. Yes, you are right | 06:27 |
| Daskreech | ScottK: would it make more sense to have a new factoid then ? | 06:28 |
| Daskreech | KDE3REmix or something like that? | 06:28 |
| ScottK | No, I think one is OK. | 06:28 |
| ScottK | !KDE3 | 06:29 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about KDE3 | 06:29 |
| kb9vqf | Another attempt: While Jaunty does not include KDE 3 by default, you can find installation instructions and download LiveCDs with it preinstalled at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty Be aware that this is a semi-official remix, and that support may only be obtained from the sources listed on the Wiki page | 06:29 |
| * Daskreech thinks we should mention that Hardy has Support | 06:29 | |
| kb9vqf | While Jaunty does not include KDE 3 by default, you can find installation instructions and download LiveCDs with it preinstalled at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty Be aware that this is a semi-official remix, and that support may only be obtained from the sources listed on the Wiki page Alternatively, Hardy will continue to have offical support until end-of-life. | 06:30 |
| ScottK | Kubuntu Jaunty does not include KDE3. It is based on KDE4.2. If you want KDE3, the last Kubuntu release with KDE3 is Hardy. There is also a Kubuntu Jaunty KDE3 Remix yada yada. | 06:30 |
| ScottK | Then give the here's where you find it stuff. | 06:31 |
| kb9vqf | Kubuntu Jaunty does not include KDE3. It is based on KDE4.2. If you want KDE3, the last Kubuntu release with KDE3 is Hardy. There is also a Kubuntu Jaunty KDE3 Remix available; you can find installation instructions and download LiveCDs with it preinstalled at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty Be aware that this is notofficial, and that support may only be obtained from the sources listed on the Wiki page | 06:31 |
| kb9vqf | ^^ Is that one OK? | 06:32 |
| kb9vqf | (minus the missing space between 'not' and 'official' | 06:32 |
| Daskreech | Kubuntu 8.04 ships with KDE3 and full support. Jaunty does not include KDE3 but a remix install CD can be obtained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty . This is not officially supported. Support and Ways to help can be found on the wiki page | 06:32 |
| Daskreech | A little bit snappier | 06:33 |
| kb9vqf | Yes, I like that one | 06:33 |
| Daskreech | Kubuntu 8.04 ships with KDE3 and full support. Jaunty does not include KDE3 but a remix install CD can be obtained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty . This is not officially supported. Support, Instructions and Ways to help can be found on the wiki page | 06:33 |
| Daskreech | kb9vqf: Ok Great inform ubottu of the change :) | 06:34 |
| ScottK | I like Daskreech's better than mine. | 06:34 |
| kb9vqf | !kde3 | 06:34 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about kde3 | 06:34 |
| kb9vqf | !KDE3 | 06:34 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about KDE3 | 06:34 |
| Daskreech | !kde3-#kubuntu | 06:34 |
| ubottu | No, intrepid does not include KDE 3, only KDE 4. Please continue to use Hardy if KDE 3 is deisred. | 06:34 |
| kb9vqf | What was the factoid again? | 06:34 |
| Daskreech | She's a liar :) | 06:35 |
| kb9vqf | !kde3-#kubuntu | 06:35 |
| kb9vqf | !kde3-#kubuntu | 06:35 |
| Daskreech | kb9vqf: try !kde3 is <new statement> | 06:35 |
| ScottK | Good night all. | 06:35 |
| kb9vqf | I wonder why she isn't responding to me though? | 06:35 |
| Daskreech | night ScottK | 06:35 |
| Daskreech | She won't flood | 06:36 |
| kb9vqf | OK | 06:36 |
| kb9vqf | !kde3 is Kubuntu 8.04 ships with KDE3 and full support. Jaunty does not include KDE3 but a remix install CD can be obtained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty . This is not officially supported. Support, instructions and ways to contribute can be found on the wiki page | 06:36 |
| Daskreech | Think of #ubuntu with 2000 people in the chan | 06:36 |
| Daskreech | Someone asks a question and 6 people say !fact | 06:36 |
| Daskreech | She will only respond to the first one in the sequence | 06:36 |
| Daskreech | Ok now just inform them you changed the factiod and you are following up | 06:37 |
| kb9vqf | Wrong factoid. Grrr... | 06:38 |
| kb9vqf | !kde3-#kubuntu is Kubuntu 8.04 ships with KDE3 and full support. Jaunty does not include KDE3 but a remix install CD can be obtained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty . This is not officially supported. Support, instructions and ways to contribute can be found on the wiki page | 06:38 |
| Daskreech | No ubottu is chan aware | 06:39 |
| Daskreech | So if someone says !KDE she gives a different answer in Kubuntu than Ubuntu for example | 06:39 |
| kb9vqf | Sorry, showing my ignorance again. She's pretty neat! :-) | 06:39 |
| Daskreech | They just locked any answers about KDE3 to Kubuntu only | 06:39 |
| Daskreech | Yes she is :-) Fun to play with | 06:41 |
| Daskreech | !kde3 | 06:41 |
| ubottu | Kubuntu 8.04 ships with KDE3 and full support. Jaunty does not include KDE3 but a remix install CD can be obtained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty . This is not officially supported. Support, instructions and ways to contribute can be found on the wiki page | 06:41 |
| Daskreech | There you go :) | 06:41 |
| Daskreech | !-kde3 | 06:41 |
| ubottu | kde3 is <alias> intrepidkde3 - added by Flannel on 2009-04-24 05:41:24 | 06:41 |
| kb9vqf | Ahhh...she's been enlightened | 06:41 |
| Daskreech | Yessir :) | 06:42 |
| * kb9vqf wishes guidance would build so he can ship the KDE3 final | 06:42 | |
| Daskreech | now to get this factoid spread in #kubuntu and you should have CDs up by the time people come storming in | 06:42 |
| * Daskreech prods kb9vqf to thank the good moderators | 06:42 | |
| * kb9vqf thanks Daskreech for the suggestion | 06:43 | |
| Daskreech | Well I know you would like thanks for the work that you put in :) | 06:44 |
| kb9vqf | Of course :) | 06:45 |
| Daskreech | Should I be asking for update test subjects btw ? | 06:46 |
| kb9vqf | That might not be a bad idea...I hope to have the final CDs built by sometime tomorrow. With the update to Python 2.6, python-kde3-kde3 and kde-guidance-kde3 are being a large pain | 06:48 |
| kb9vqf | Almost got it, but it took all day | 06:48 |
| Daskreech | ok I'm doing up a report right now but when next I'm on #kubuntu I'll start hunting | 06:50 |
| Daskreech | for somereason Jaunty seems to be pushing people towards Gnome | 06:50 |
| Daskreech | The KDE3 remix should placate :) | 06:50 |
| kb9vqf | Truth be told, it almost pushed me back to Windows! *shudder* But Windows had the same kind of interface and a much worse core, so I took over KDE3 maintinence instead :) | 06:52 |
| kb9vqf | BTW that was Intrepid, not Jaunty | 06:52 |
| kb9vqf | But yes, we should pull quite a few users back from Gnome and other distros I think :) | 06:54 |
| nixternal | grr, how did libaprutil1-dev slip through the libdb4.7 updates? | 07:20 |
| eagles0513875 | morning guys | 07:41 |
| Daskreech | hi | 07:43 |
| eagles0513875 | hope all is well this morning Daskreech | 07:45 |
| Daskreech | Sure | 07:45 |
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| sched | can someone inform me about the proxy configuration for svn?/ | 08:36 |
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| sched | can someone inform me about the proxy configuration for svn?/ | 08:58 |
| blizzz | sched: which svn? | 09:10 |
| sched | kdebase svn | 10:00 |
| sched | kde.org | 10:00 |
| Mamarok | sched: ask on #kde-devel | 10:11 |
| Mamarok | morning all | 10:23 |
| Mamarok | i can't download two packages makred as upgrades: | 10:23 |
| Mamarok | http://pastebin.com/m67169c3b | 10:23 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: those versions don't exist | 10:28 |
| Riddell | 1.9.0-0.0ubuntu2 should be just 1.9.0-0.0 | 10:28 |
| Riddell | got any funny sources in your sources.list ? | 10:28 |
| Riddell | oh | 10:29 |
| Riddell | intrepid-proposed has a newer version than jaunty | 10:29 |
| Riddell | evil | 10:29 |
| Riddell | no wait | 10:30 |
| Riddell | jaunty-proposed has that | 10:30 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: do you have -proposed enabled? | 10:30 |
| jussi01 | jaunty upgrade on the way! :D | 10:49 |
| jussi01 | Lets see if it works from intrepid with PPA stuf... | 10:49 |
| jussi01 | anyone seen tonio recently? | 10:54 |
| Riddell | jussi01: not for a bit | 10:56 |
| jussi01 | :/ | 10:57 |
| jussi01 | hrhrhrhr | 11:14 |
| jpds | s/r/a/ | 11:14 |
| jussi01 | getting 404's from jaunty proposed... | 11:14 |
| jussi01 | jpds: no | 11:14 |
| jussi01 | disabled it... lets ee how it goes now | 11:16 |
| jussi01 | wth? it wants to install lilo? | 11:18 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: you're using dist-upgrade, not the upgrader, i presume. | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: read the release notes for details. | 11:21 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: yea | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | (and just remove lilo after the upgrade) | 11:21 |
| jussi01 | hrm... | 11:21 |
| jussi01 | goes to find release notes | 11:21 |
| tsimpson | !releasenotes | 11:28 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes | 11:28 |
| Riddell | I'd recommend just doing the supported upgrade method | 11:30 |
| Daskreech | !releasenotes-#kubuntu | 11:32 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 11:32 |
| Daskreech | Heh | 11:32 |
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| jussi01 | and we have a successful upgrade to jaunty - well seems good so far | 12:07 |
| jussi01 | Im a little suprised as I had loads of random ppa's on this machine | 12:07 |
| Quintasan | Hiho | 12:41 |
| eagles0513875 | hi | 12:42 |
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| * txwikinger_work wonders if everybody is sleeping after partying last night | 13:54 | |
| * eagles0513875 i am here txwikinger_work | 13:56 | |
| txwikinger_work | hi eagles0513875 | 13:56 |
| eagles0513875 | hey txwikinger_work | 13:57 |
| * ScottK wonders how eagles0513875 got back in? | 13:57 | |
| eagles0513875 | ScottK: ? | 13:57 |
| ScottK | Weren't you banned? | 13:58 |
| eagles0513875 | till jaunty release | 13:58 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 13:58 |
| eagles0513875 | ya im gonna behave now actually working on trying to get some bugs solved | 13:59 |
| eagles0513875 | ScottK: i do have a question relating to the kde4 daemon. what would cause it to sigsev 11 | 14:00 |
| ScottK | A bug. | 14:00 |
| ScottK | User support is in #kubuntu. | 14:00 |
| smarter | oh, Qt 4.5.1. | 14:04 |
| ScottK | Fresh with regressions (I hear) and everything. | 14:04 |
| * smarter wonders if his graphics glitches he has been seeing since Ubuntu backported some stuff in the kernel to activate 2D accel and Xv support in ati R500+ | 14:04 | |
| smarter | *have been fixed | 14:05 |
| ScottK | From #debian-at-kde: [08:36:39] -*- fabo builds Qt with the patch supposed to fix oxygen issue (Qt regression) | 14:05 |
| Riddell | rdieter blogged about regressions too | 14:05 |
| Riddell | there's probably patches in qt-copy | 14:06 |
| smarter | oxygen is a monster anyway :p | 14:06 |
| Riddell | but doesn't seem like SRU material that's for sure | 14:06 |
| JontheEchidna | I never managed to find the caring enough to reupload a 120 MiB tar to my PPA since it failed the first time | 14:06 |
| JontheEchidna | Someone with bigger pipes will probably have to do Qt | 14:06 |
| smarter | * Fixed the theming of text fields with KDE 4 Oxygen style (Zack Rusin) | 14:07 |
| smarter | yay | 14:07 |
| smarter | (in QtWebKit) | 14:07 |
| smarter | oh, improvement in font rendering | 14:08 |
| smarter | maybe they finally fixex the hardcoded "helvetica" for default font which results in fontconfig picking up the horrible Nimbus Sans L | 14:09 |
| JontheEchidna | That will most likely fix the font corruption with VGBR hinting | 14:09 |
| JontheEchidna | *VRGB | 14:09 |
| smarter | seen that :p | 14:10 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Please not backports either (for Qt 4.5.1) enough people run with backports enabled and it effects enough packages that I think it would not be a good thing. | 14:10 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: that did the trick, thx | 14:11 |
| yao_ziyuan | i downloaded kubuntu 9.04 live cd image and am running it in vbox | 14:16 |
| yao_ziyuan | i observed that the taskbar is not transparent | 14:16 |
| yao_ziyuan | how to make it not transparent? | 14:17 |
| * Hobbsee is sure that's also a #kubuntu question | 14:18 | |
| Hobbsee | And nice release, guys :) | 14:18 |
| ikonia | the feedback on kubuntu 9.04 seems positive compared to 8.10 | 14:19 |
| * ScottK agrees with Hobbsee. | 14:19 | |
| yao_ziyuan | i seem to understand now: the color is #387096 | 14:21 |
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| smarter | is the .desktop aren't translated issue supposed to be fixed? | 15:16 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 15:18 |
| smarter | well, I just opened System Settings, and it's in English | 15:18 |
| smarter | and the .desktop apps aren't translated too | 15:19 |
| smarter | or at least the one in the favorite tab | 15:19 |
| Riddell | what language is set? what language packs and versions do you have installed? have you rebooted? | 15:19 |
| smarter | uptime is 1h, so yes :) | 15:20 |
| smarter | language is set to French in SS | 15:20 |
| smarter | (god, that's an awful abreviation) | 15:20 |
| smarter | I've kde-l10n-fr 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu3 | 15:20 |
| Riddell | language-pack-kde-fr-base ? | 15:21 |
| smarter | 1:9.04+20090413.1 | 15:21 |
| Riddell | smarter: and you have /usr/share/locale-langpack/fr/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kdebase-workspace.mo ? | 15:22 |
| smarter | yup | 15:23 |
| smarter | and a quick review of /usr/bin/string on that file seems to indicate that the appropriate translation are there | 15:24 |
| Riddell | kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental; systemsettings | 15:25 |
| Riddell | try that | 15:25 |
| Riddell | also what's in grep Langu /home/jr/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals | 15:25 |
| smarter | Language=fr: | 15:26 |
| smarter | rebuilding the sycoca db didn't work | 15:27 |
| smarter | $LANG is set to fr_FR.UTF-8 | 15:27 |
| smarter | $LANGUAGE to fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en | 15:28 |
| Riddell | well, hum, I'm out of ideas, it works for me | 15:30 |
| Riddell | smarter: other bits are presumably translated? | 15:30 |
| smarter | yup | 15:30 |
| smarter | though I guess rosetta magic probably strips a few strings here and there :p | 15:30 |
| Riddell | smarter: apt-cache policy kdelibs5 | 15:30 |
| smarter | Installé : 4:4.2.2a-0ubuntu1~ppa2 | 15:31 |
| Riddell | ah well, there you go | 15:31 |
| Riddell | you'll be wanting 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu5 | 15:31 |
| Riddell | probably need to wget it and dpkg --install since apt won't naturally downgrade | 15:31 |
| smarter | you guys have switched version number from what it was in k-n? doh :p | 15:31 |
| * smarter can handle the downgrade | 15:32 | |
| Riddell | mm, sorry, nicer on users but nasty for devs | 15:32 |
| smarter | thanks anyway :) | 15:32 |
| * smarter is off to school | 15:32 | |
| * smarter thinks their might be other ninjas in that situation without knowing it | 15:33 | |
| canen | hello kubuntu devs | 15:45 |
| canen | will qt 4.5.1 be included in 9.04 updates? | 15:45 |
| ScottK | canen: No. | 15:45 |
| EagleScreen | qt 4.5.0 sucks | 15:46 |
| ScottK | EagleScreen: That's not productive. | 15:46 |
| canen | ScottK: mind saying why since it is compatible | 15:46 |
| EagleScreen | yes i know | 15:46 |
| ScottK | canen: We already know of regressions. We've released and generally we don't do major version updates. | 15:46 |
| EagleScreen | could it be available in jaunty-backports? | 15:46 |
| canen | i question ubuntu's update policies sometimes | 15:47 |
| canen | e.g mplayer is still at rc2 even though the mplayer devs recommend svn | 15:47 |
| ScottK | canen: If you want the very latest at any given moment, this probably isn't the best distro for you. | 15:47 |
| canen | ScottK: it's not about having the latest | 15:47 |
| nixternal | am I missing something? | 15:48 |
| ScottK | EagleScreen: No. Too many packages depend on Qt and too many users use backports. | 15:48 |
| EagleScreen | qt 4.5.1 is a major update? | 15:48 |
| canen | and you are right, i only use kubuntu at work :) | 15:48 |
| ScottK | EagleScreen: It's not regression free. | 15:48 |
| ScottK | Every Qt version is a major update. | 15:48 |
| EagleScreen | oh | 15:48 |
| canen | oh well, nothing to do about it. i don't mind | 15:48 |
| EagleScreen | then I understand, it is better having known regresions | 15:49 |
| nixternal | ScottK: if we plan on pushing KDE 4.3 out to Jaunty users we will have no choice but to go with 4.5.1, plus 4.5.1 fixes a lot of regressions as well (I know, I got attacked by Trolls yesterday aftering saying 4.5 and 4.2 didn't go together) | 15:49 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Maybe in backports after an extended preview in kubuntu-experimental and we get the regressions worked out. | 15:49 |
| EagleScreen | I prefer using qt 4.4 right now, so I am in Debian testing canen | 15:49 |
| canen | ok | 15:50 |
| nixternal | ScottK: right, we would probably go to PPA for it | 15:50 |
| canen | ppa is a good idea | 15:50 |
| nixternal | test, test, and more test :) | 15:50 |
| canen | at least it would be available for thos who like to tinker | 15:50 |
| nixternal | then if all goes well, it *might* get backported...but yes ScottK is correct, that would be a large task | 15:50 |
| nixternal | canen: right :) | 15:51 |
| eagles0513875 | is there a debug package for the network plasmoid | 15:51 |
| ikonia | eagles0513875: check the repos | 15:52 |
| EagleScreen | there are a special repository for debugging symbols | 15:52 |
| Mr_Grieves| | Hrm, all my repo update attempts fail. Is this just server-strain, or are the repos from the beta not working anymore? | 15:54 |
| nixternal | EagleScreen: no there isn't a dbg package for it | 15:55 |
| ScottK | eagles0513875: #kubuntu for support. You've already gotten rebanned from other development channels. Please stay on topic if you don't want to add this one to the list. | 15:55 |
| ScottK | Mr_Grieves|: #kubuntu for support questions, but the repos are the same, they're probably just busy. | 15:55 |
| Mr_Grieves| | ScottK -- Ok :) | 15:56 |
| EagleScreen | is it true that Kubuntu 9.10 will be LTS? | 15:56 |
| nixternal | are you kidding me? | 15:56 |
| ScottK | EagleScreen: No. | 15:56 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: Could you rescore one last PPA build for me? | 15:57 |
| EagleScreen | is it planed the next LTS then? | 15:57 |
| NCommander | kb9vqf: sure, link to the PPA again :-) | 15:57 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: https://launchpad.net/~kb9vqf/+archive package name is the i386 version of kde-guidance-kde3 - 0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu16.9 | 15:57 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: For some reason it won't build...been waiting all night | 15:57 |
| nixternal | EagleScreen: email shuttleworth and ask, as he would know and nobody else would know | 15:58 |
| NCommander | I thought 10.4 or 10.10 was the next LTS | 15:58 |
| NCommander | Its once every two years ... | 15:58 |
| EagleScreen | but kubuntu 8.04 is not official LTS | 15:59 |
| NCommander | kb9vqf: rescored | 15:59 |
| EagleScreen | my cristal ball tell me that ubuntu 10.04 and kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS | 15:59 |
| kb9vqf | Ncommander: Thanks! :) | 16:00 |
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| sched | I can not run my svn | 16:09 |
| sched | can some one pls help me | 16:09 |
| sched | :( | 16:10 |
| eagles0513875 | sched: do you mind taking this to the kubuntu channel that is where support is provided | 16:10 |
| sched | I am under a proxy network | 16:10 |
| sched | Actually I want to work on dolphin file manager | 16:10 |
| sched | so i want to download the wc from svn | 16:10 |
| eagles0513875 | sched: try and join #kubuntu | 16:11 |
| sched | svn co command is not downloading my wc | 16:11 |
| ScottK | sched: You're off topic for this channel. | 16:11 |
| ikonia | sched: /join #kubuntu and we can work it out | 16:11 |
| sched | k | 16:12 |
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| Riddell | JontheEchidna: about? | 16:30 |
| Riddell | is qtcurve in svn somewhere? | 16:30 |
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| JontheEchidna | The packaging or the software? | 16:30 |
| JontheEchidna | Though neither is, to the best of my knowledge | 16:30 |
| Riddell | software | 16:31 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: there's no Message.sh included, is that just an oversight from upstream? | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | not that I know of, though I haven't looked too terribly hard | 16:31 |
| JontheEchidna | probably | 16:32 |
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| Riddell | JontheEchidna: will upstream accept one if we give them one? | 16:32 |
| JontheEchidna | I haven't really been in contact with upstream, but I can't see any reason why he wouldn't accept it | 16:33 |
| JontheEchidna | oh crap, we shipped kde-style-qtcurve didn't we | 16:34 |
| JontheEchidna | since it's a recommend of gtk2-engines-qtcurve | 16:34 |
| JontheEchidna | meaning its not translated | 16:34 |
| JontheEchidna | shame on us :( | 16:35 |
| JontheEchidna | we should get kde4.mk to whine some if Messages.sh is missing | 16:35 |
| Riddell | ktorrent is missing it too | 16:35 |
| JontheEchidna | Really? An extragear app that popular is missing one? | 16:36 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: upstream decided it was a good idea to string out the Messages.sh files in their scripts. I've since reminded them of their GPL obligations | 16:37 |
| Riddell | kdesudo missing too | 16:37 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, so I'm about to release QuickAccess and I'm making packages | 16:38 |
| JontheEchidna | the .mo's are showing up in list-missing | 16:38 |
| JontheEchidna | do we want to ship those? | 16:38 |
| Riddell | yes | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, thanks | 16:39 |
| Riddell | they'll get stripped in Ubuntu but people might self build, or it might get moved to unvierse or debian might take the pacakging | 16:39 |
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| yao_ziyuan | one thing you guys missed in 9.04: | 17:51 |
| yao_ziyuan | kde3 apps should use qtcurve/kde3 | 17:51 |
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| Viper550 | this stupid distro I use uses kynaptic. | 18:10 |
| Viper550 | ugh | 18:10 |
| markey | FYI, if you get complaints about Amarok not being able to scrobble in Jaunty | 18:25 |
| markey | we have a patch for that | 18:25 |
| markey | seems to work OK so far in trunk | 18:25 |
| markey | probably should have communicated this earlier, but we kinda forgot about it | 18:25 |
| JontheEchidna | http://rdieter.livejournal.com/13739.html | 18:52 |
| JontheEchidna | ^_^ | 18:52 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: your qt 4.5.1 package is ready for upload in ppa? :) | 19:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I can't upload it. It's too big | 19:17 |
| JontheEchidna | someone else needs to make packages | 19:18 |
| blizzz | didn't someone complain about freezing konqueror recently? | 19:19 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: I have to include this patch http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/patches/0279-svg-rendering-regression.diff ? | 19:22 |
| JontheEchidna | lex79: yes | 19:23 |
| lex79 | ok, I will try later :) | 19:24 |
| nixternal | jeesh, people are kind of ignorant...reading up on the plasma focus group stuff, and one of the comments on the blog post was "Wow, you're pretty!" | 19:42 |
| nixternal | they wouldn't be so ignorant though if they said that in a comment on my blog :p | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | "omg no girls on teh intarwebs" | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | they are of the same ilk | 19:43 |
| JontheEchidna | Anyway, QuickAccess 0.8 released \o/ http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QuickAccess+(maintenance+fork)?content=101968 | 19:52 |
| ghostcube | hello humans -_- | 19:58 |
| JontheEchidna | hi | 20:03 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: where can I dowload qt4 sources? From here http://www.qtsoftware.com/downloads/linux-x11-cpp ? | 20:12 |
| nixternal | yup | 20:13 |
| lex79 | nixternal: thx | 20:13 |
| * Quintasan is going to do a reinstall, later | 20:38 | |
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| ryanakca | Is there a page that a kubuntu user (or soon to be user) specifically might want to see after having downloaded an iso? | 21:33 |
| smarter | one that would explain how to burn the iso and launch the CD? (: | 21:37 |
| nixternal | there used to be a link on the download page to the h.u.c/community site that showed people how to burn the ISO from Windows, OS X, and Linux | 22:03 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: we have a page for burning an iso, but only german :( | 22:21 |
| nixternal | ScottK2: hook me up with a quick run through ayatana | 22:21 |
| nixternal | from what I have read, I don't get it really | 22:21 |
| nixternal | it seems everyone is looking to create this new deal and don't know how to do it with gnome/kde | 22:21 |
| nixternal | have they forgotten about dbus, or am I reading to far into it? | 22:22 |
| ScottK | Keep in mind I'm biased .... | 22:22 |
| nixternal | I know, I am just trying to figure out the design portion thus far | 22:22 |
| nixternal | leave KDE's stuff alone, use their silly notify crap to pass a message to KDE's notify via dbus | 22:22 |
| nixternal | what is so hard about that? | 22:22 |
| nixternal | there is org.kde.knotify and org.kde.VisualNotifications | 22:23 |
| nixternal | that should be plenty | 22:23 |
| nixternal | you know they are going to do it all in Python, so it is freakin' trivial to do a damn test to check if the DE is GTK or Qt | 22:23 |
| nixternal | err, GNOME or KDE | 22:24 |
| ScottK | In KDE we have KNotification that provides a very nice KDE notification system. | 22:24 |
| nixternal | right | 22:24 |
| nixternal | and you can control it via dbus | 22:24 |
| ScottK | In Gnome they have libnotify that was determined by Canonical to be 'not so great'. | 22:25 |
| nixternal | which I can see, but honestly I think they should have spent time fixing it instead of reinventing the wheel | 22:25 |
| ScottK | So for Jaunty the invented a replacement called notify-osd. | 22:25 |
| nixternal | I used libnotify with my irssi script...it would work when it wanted to | 22:25 |
| ScottK | Before Quassel grew KDE integration it used it too | 22:27 |
| ScottK | One of the things they did differently in notify-osd is they removed actions from notifications and invented another new think called variously Messaging Menu, Messaging Indicator, MI, libindicate that gives a persistent place for actions and the backlog of notifications. | 22:28 |
| Quintasan | Almost everything went smooth, I don't know why but the disk selection took very much time to show up | 22:30 |
| nixternal | and I take it they are trying to push that to Kubuntu? | 22:30 |
| ScottK | The project in question now has two KDE developers. | 22:34 |
| ScottK | So yes. | 22:34 |
| * Quintasan will personally kill someone who made Dragon Player | 22:35 | |
| ScottK | nixternal: I think providing a KDE front end to notify-osd and MI so that apps that use that system work in a native looking way in KDE makes a lot of sense. | 22:37 |
| nixternal | why not just have the notify osd stuff for kde just pass the info to dbus? | 22:38 |
| nixternal | why create yet another notify popup? | 22:38 |
| Quintasan | wait, what, notify-osd in kubuntu? | 22:38 |
| ScottK | Because notify-osd makes a different set of assumptions than any other notification system you'd have to modify KNotification to do it. | 22:39 |
| nixternal | the big thing is that when a gnome app is run in kde, the notification works right? | 22:40 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: This is discussion for Karmic. Don't immediatly panic. | 22:40 |
| nixternal | this is why I have stayed out of it, none of the logic has come together to make sense to me yet | 22:41 |
| nixternal | i think adding yet another notifier is downright stupid | 22:41 |
| nixternal | but that is my opinion thus far, and of course that can be changed | 22:41 |
| nixternal | as I am still ignorant to the whole idea yet | 22:41 |
| Quintasan | nixternal++ | 22:42 |
| nixternal | i wouldn't agree with me just yet :p | 22:42 |
| nixternal | i still don't know what I am talking about it obviously :) | 22:42 |
| imbrandon | not only work but look good/native :) | 22:42 |
| nixternal | so we would have 2 notify apps then with Kubuntu? | 22:43 |
| imbrandon | i'm with ScottK, making notify-osd work in kde would be ideal ( native qt stuff too ) | 22:43 |
| imbrandon | nixternal: no | 22:43 |
| * Quintasan hopes it will work better than KNotify (it freezes my video playback each time it appears and disappears) | 22:43 | |
| imbrandon | one would get nixed :) | 22:43 |
| nixternal | so we would ditch the KDE notification stuff then? | 22:43 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 22:43 |
| nixternal | ok, now I can start to follow | 22:43 |
| imbrandon | right but make notify -osd obey the "other" proto too so apps wouldent have to change | 22:43 |
| imbrandon | leaste imho | 22:44 |
| nixternal | wow, that wouldn't make kubuntu a fun platform to do kde trunk devel on would it? | 22:44 |
| nixternal | that is why I start with Ubuntu Server now for my kde dev box :) | 22:44 |
| Quintasan | oh crap, it's almost midnight already. I'm going to get some sleep | 22:45 |
| Quintasan | night guys | 22:45 |
| nixternal | midnight? sleep? wth | 22:45 |
| imbrandon | gnight | 22:45 |
| imbrandon | i got to run too , got a date, woot | 22:45 |
| imbrandon | :) | 22:45 |
| nixternal | at midnight the night is only getting started | 22:45 |
| nixternal | WTH, IT IS A FRIDAY Quintasan | 22:45 |
| Quintasan | good luck imbrandon :P | 22:45 |
| nixternal | you don't go to bed this early on a friday :p | 22:45 |
| nixternal | now get to work, start getting the toolchain for karmic uploaded :D | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | nixternal: I was up for 2 days, and I need to be in a usable state tomorrow :P | 22:46 |
| imbrandon | i'll be back in a few hours, but this is something we def need to talk about nixternal / ScottK | 22:46 |
| ScottK | Sorry. Got distracted. | 22:48 |
| ScottK | Personally I think KNotification is far to integrated into KDE overall to make replacing it with a third party alternative a generally sensible alternative. | 22:49 |
| nixternal | agreed | 22:49 |
| ScottK | My thinking right now is that approach would be a strong sign I'm using the wrong KDE distro. | 22:49 |
| nixternal | all, and I mean all KDE apps are using the qdbus stuff | 22:49 |
| nixternal | I just went through trunk and every app I looked at was using it | 22:49 |
| nixternal | let me guess, ayatana group hasn't communicated with kde in the least bit either right? | 22:52 |
| nixternal | because I haven't caught anything on the mailing lists that say otherwise, though I could have over looked it | 22:52 |
| * neversfelde is tired about localization problems | 22:53 | |
| neversfelde | is a PPA up to solve this? | 22:53 |
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| neversfelde | apachelogger wanted to create one | 22:53 |
| nixternal | ahh, I take that back, rock on, Ted is communicating on the kde core-devel list | 22:54 |
| * JontheEchidna thinks everybody took a break to read the thread on kde-core-devel :P | 23:05 | |
| neversfelde | mhh | 23:06 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: do you have a link? | 23:06 |
| JontheEchidna | http://lists.kde.org/?t=124025133100002&r=1&w=2&n=45 | 23:07 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: your interview gave us antother 2000 pageviews I think, was popular | 23:09 |
| JontheEchidna | whoa, cool | 23:09 |
| neversfelde | we'lll give it to freiesmagazin a german online magazine, probably they will publish it too | 23:10 |
| neversfelde | I am very busy these days, but I would like to do another interview with ScottK about Quassel, only a few sentences about how it comes to be the default client and the relationshipt to upstream | 23:14 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: would you do this? | 23:14 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidnas interview should go to fridge, too | 23:16 |
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| JontheEchidna | rdieter: If you/Fedora are interested, the developer of the QuickAccess plasmoid disappeared a while back, so I've taken up development of the plasmoid: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QuickAccess+%28maintenance+fork%29?content=101968 | 23:20 |
| JontheEchidna | It's got all the "port to KDE 4.2" patches built in along with the start of some translations, a crash fix and a few other miscellaneous fixes and small features | 23:20 |
| JontheEchidna | The changelog on the kde-look page is the changelog since I picked up development | 23:21 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: For what venue? | 23:26 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: for kubuntu-de.org | 23:27 |
| ScottK | OK. | 23:27 |
| ScottK | Probably over the weekend. | 23:27 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: I have to write some questions before, so there will be enough time and it is not urgent | 23:28 |
| neversfelde | I will write a mail within the next two weeks? | 23:28 |
| ScottK | OK. | 23:34 |
| neversfelde | ty | 23:34 |
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| lex79 | qt 4.5.1 successfully uploaded \o/ | 23:57 |
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