[00:00] <agoole> I was wondering, why isn't there katapult for the new jaunty ?
[00:00] <agoole> xjjk: haha , ie, i'm stupid
[00:00] <PhoenixFFX> Well, yeah, I saw that, but I just can't see my router, should I download drivers or something ?
[00:00] <xjjk> agoole: it's advertised as a "feature" but it's so experimental they purposely make it difficult to find/use
[00:00] <notriddle> agoole: Alt-F2 works the same way.
[00:00] <xjjk> ubuntu supports all these fancy RAID, LVM, and encrypted installations too
[00:00] <Simon99> Is "cdromupgrade" in the desktop CD or in the alternate CD or in both?
[00:00] <adasz_> from where can i get Canon PIXMA MP450 Driver?
[00:00] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Have you got your router set to broadcast it's SSID?
[00:01] <xjjk> agoole: AFAIK no... KDE 4.2's krunner pretty much replaces katapult anyway
[00:01] <agoole> xjjk: krunner ??
[00:01] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: If you can see other routers, it's probably not a driver problem.
[00:01] <PhoenixFFX> Yeah, cause when I was on XP, I could connect to it
[00:01] <xjjk> agoole: hit alt+f2
[00:01] <sudogr> hello!!I have a questio, I have kubuntu 9.04 RC how can upgrade to stable edition?without reinstall it.. thank y
[00:01] <PhoenixFFX> No, I can't see any router
[00:01] <agoole> xjjk: o0o0o
[00:01] <agoole> xjjk: shiny
[00:01] <xjjk> agoole: there is a *ton* of functionality there
[00:02] <kanonmat_> just cd and ls, Simon99 :)
[00:02] <xjjk> agoole: by default, it looks like the old kde3 dialog
[00:02] <xjjk> but there's an option to make it look like quicksilver/katapult
[00:02] <adasz_> how can i install my printer?
[00:02] <agoole> xjjk: what can I do with it ?
[00:02] <agoole> is it only to launch apps ?
[00:02] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Okay. When you open the Network Manager, does it list your wireless card?
[00:02] <xjjk> agoole: a lot, most of which I can't name...
[00:02] <xjjk> has a calculator
[00:02] <xjjk> can suspend/resume/etc via powerdevil
[00:03] <agoole> xjjk: oh ok ok, so i should look into it
[00:03] <xjjk> agoole: in the configure dialog, there are several plugins
[00:03] <xjjk> I haven't been bothered to learn them all, I use it mostly (exclusively) to launch apps
[00:03] <PhoenixFFX> Where is it suposed to be ?
[00:03] <xjjk> I find the kickoff menu terribe
[00:03] <xjjk> terrible8
[00:03] <notriddle> sudogr: Just upgrade the normal way.
[00:03] <notriddle> sudogr: Just upgrade the normal way.
[00:04] <agoole> xjjk: if only I could remape the key from alt f2 to alt-space, lol
[00:04]  * notriddle wishes Quassel didn't delay to list my posts.
[00:04] <xjjk> agoole: you can't?
[00:04] <sudogr> notriddl withe sudo apt-get update ???
[00:04] <xjjk> agoole: I have mine mapped to windows key + space
[00:04] <notriddle> agoole: You can.
[00:04] <agoole> looking at settings now
[00:04] <notriddle> sudogr: Yep.
[00:04] <notriddle> PheonixFFX: It'll look like a plug.
[00:05] <PhoenixFFX> It's just written WLAN Interface
[00:06] <agoole> oh I had a questino
[00:06] <notriddle> agoole: System Settings->Keyboard and Mouse->Global Keyboard Shortcuts and set the KDE component to Run Command Interface
[00:06] <agoole> how come I coulnd't pick swap space ?
[00:06] <sudogr> notriddle: Thank you, I allready did this ,so I must have already turn to stable edition.
[00:07] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: WLAN Interface is it.
[00:07] <sudogr> bye..
[00:07] <jenda> hello,I've upgraded for new distribution and I've lost knetworkmanager and now is impossible to connect by wifi. if I go to application I can't find it, but adept is saying that it's installed
[00:08] <PhoenixFFX> I know that when I had OpenSuSE, I just typed install_bcm43xx_firmware and it worked
[00:08] <agoole> notriddle: got it! thanks, i would of looked for ages
[00:08] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Please include my nickname (notriddle) in whatever you say to me. My IRC client hilights them, so I can tell what is for me and what isn't.
[00:09] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Under Menu->Applications->System->Hardware Drivers, you can install the Broadcom stuff.
[00:09] <malik_> I have kubuntu 9.04 with EXT4 it stops responding very often
[00:09] <malik_> anyone know hy
[00:09] <jenda> hello,I've upgraded for new distribution 9.0.4 and I've lost knetworkmanager and now is impossible to connect by wifi. if I go to applications I can't find it out, but adept is saying that it's installed. Can someone support me? PM pls.
[00:10] <xjjk> jenda: did adding the plasma applet not help?
[00:10] <xjjk> jenda: it's best things are discussed in the channel
[00:10] <notriddle> malik_: Does it do the same from the live disk? It may be Jaunty and not EXT4.
[00:10] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: When I go to Hardware Drivers, it says No proprietary drivers are in use on this system.
[00:11] <malik_> nolive Cd works perfecly
[00:11] <wolter> hi
[00:12] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Below that, it will list some stuff. What is listed there?
[00:12] <wolter> i what benefits do i get from using kubuntu that i don't get by just installing kde in ubuntu?
[00:12] <wolter> hi*
[00:12] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: Nothing, its blank O:
[00:12] <malik_> inmy brothers old NEC lap kubuntu 0.04 works perefeclty with EXT3
[00:12] <xjjk> wolter: none, really; they're the same
[00:12] <wolter> same apps?
[00:12] <wolter> nice then
[00:12] <wolter> thanks
[00:12] <xjjk> wolter: if you install kubuntu-desktop, yes
[00:13] <xjjk> wolter: obviously, you use a lot more disk space
[00:13] <xjjk> from having both GNOME and KDE installed
[00:13] <wolter> xjjk, ah, lets not worry about that
[00:13] <wolter> xjjk, if I one day get to prefer kde over gnome 100 times, I will remove gnome
[00:13] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Not sure about it then, don't use a Broadcom.
[00:13]  * notriddle wonders if anyone else knows.
[00:13] <xjjk> wolter: it's taken my 8 yrs, but I'm at that point
[00:14] <linux-hdtv> Thanks for Kubuntu, the graphics are stunning :-)
[00:14] <wolter> xjjk, well, kde, from my point of view, used to be horrible
[00:14] <wolter> :)
[00:14] <malik_> yes kubuntu is amazing
[00:14] <linux-hdtv> How can i see the connected drives ?
[00:14] <wolter> not anymore
[00:14] <xjjk> wolter: agreed, more or less
[00:15] <xjjk> the KDE defaults "IMHO" were terrible for the longest time... and Keramik, ugh
[00:16] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: I have a Compaq Presario R4000 if it can be helpful
[00:17] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't worry about disk space from having Gnome installed. I doubt it's more than 1 GB
[00:17] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: And when I put su install_bcm43xx_firmware, it says Unknown Id.
[00:18] <joshjtl> anyone know if ies4linux can install ie7 as well as ie6?
[00:18] <andyroid> my god the newer intel drivers really suck
[00:19] <xjjk> andyroid: for video? yeah...
[00:20] <andyroid> xjjk:  well for pretty much anything i've tried so far
[00:20] <adasz_> how can i install my printer?
[00:20] <xjjk> andyroid: IMHO the Intel wireless drivers in Jaunty are *superb*
[00:20] <xjjk> I can't say I've ever had problems with Intel audio either
[00:23] <andyroid> xjik: oh yeah, i meant the graphics drivers but if video==graphics, then yeah
[00:24] <xjjk> andyroid: there have been a *lot* of regressiosn
[00:24] <xjjk> and odd problems
[00:25] <xjjk> andyroid: just be glad you're not being bitten by the X freeze problem
[00:25] <menaz> hi
[00:25] <menaz> what is the difference bewteen the iso desktop and alternate?
[00:26] <Simon99> Can anyone help me upgrade my Kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 by using the mounted "desktop" ISO?
[00:26] <andyroid> xjjk: my regular desktop is using an nvidia card so no problems there but my eeepc is barely usable with the new intel drivers
[00:27]  * notriddle is sorry for leaving PhoenixFFX waiting.
[00:27] <kanonmat_> menaz:  alternate is a text installer, no gui
[00:27] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Okay. Try "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter".
[00:28]  * notriddle thinks that Hardware Drivers should've worked.
[00:28] <menaz> andyroid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/349314/comments/49 --- check there, maybe it could help you with your eeepc
[00:28] <menaz> thanks kanonmat!
[00:29] <kanonmat_> joshjtl: my ies4linux came with both ie6 and ie7 iirc
[00:29] <andyroid> menaz: thanks mate
[00:29] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: Couln'd find package b43-fwcutter
[00:29] <menaz> andyroid: no prob man! glad to help
[00:30] <joshjtl> kanonmat_: bizzarre, i had to install ie7 seperately but when it wont connect to any pages... though ie6 does
[00:31] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Okay. "sudo software-properties-kde".
[00:31] <kanonmat_> lets see...
[00:31] <menaz> What is the difference to install a DVD iso version? it got more software or is the Enterprise edition?
[00:32] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: From there, check "Proprietary drivers for devices (restricted)".
[00:32] <kanonmat_> my ie7 wont start now, i don't remember when i used it last time if i ever did
[00:33] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: It's allready checked
[00:33] <notriddle> ProenixFFX: Pffft...
[00:34] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: D:
[00:34] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Of course, why didn't I think of it before. I was recommending you download drivers from the internet.
[00:34] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Make sure you are plugged in wired.
[00:34] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: From where ? Which site ?
[00:34] <menaz> what it has different the DVD version for install ubuntu?
[00:35] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle Okay, I'm plug XD
[00:35] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Ubuntu has official packages for the b43 firmware. Just need to download and install it.
[00:35] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: And now that you are plugged in, "sudo apt-get update".
[00:35] <Dragnslcr> menaz- I think the DVD just has more packages
[00:36] <adasz_> Where are the driver saved in linux?
[00:36] <Dragnslcr> menaz- If you use the CD, you can install everything that's on the DVD, it'll just have to fetch the packages over the Internet instead of using the disc
[00:37] <menaz> clear! maybe these uys hsoulod put more info about that! I{m ery noew on this and I wil appreciate to have that info :D (if it{s there please sorry :D)
[00:37] <adasz_> can somebody help me plz?
[00:37] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: After you "sudo apt-get update", rerun the "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter".
[00:38] <joshjtl> why is it better to install IE using ies4linux than just downloading IE and installing with wine?
[00:38] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: I'm doing the updates, and I'll retry it again
[00:38] <Daskreech> adasz_: In modules
[00:38] <notriddle> joshjtl: It includes some of the tweaks necessary for getting IE to work, such as changing the registry and replacing Wine-provided DLLs with Windows ones.
[00:39] <Daskreech> menaz: It just gives you a choice as to how to install
[00:39] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: b43-fwcutter is now downloading
[00:39] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: And after it finishes, I believe you should be ready to use your wireless.
[00:39] <Daskreech> !printer | adasz_
[00:40] <joshjtl> notriddle: is that to say that installing ie via wine ie wont work?
[00:40] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: Hmm.. It seems to be stuck at 0%
[00:40] <notriddle> joshjtl: It won't work without doing some of the aformentioned tweaks. There is a guide in the Wine AppDB for making it work on your own.
[00:40] <linux-hdtv> In Dolphin, there is a copy operation underway, but the monitoring window disappeared ...
[00:41] <Daskreech> menaz: The CD has either a Desktop or a server install. The DVD has both
[00:41] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: That's normal. Click the (i) in the system tray to reopen it.
[00:41] <Daskreech> !de | adasz_
[00:43] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Is it still stuck at 0%?
[00:43] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: I'll restart it
[00:43] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Perhaps the mirrors are all clogged up. I've had that happen before.
[00:44]  * notriddle hopes PhoenixFFX was talking about the download, not the install.
[00:46] <kadoban> i am using a couple of external (non-ubuntu) repositories and i'm planning an upgrade to 9.04.  should i remove those first, or is it possible that the upgrade will gracefully handle them somehow? (it's only for a couple of packages)
[00:46] <notriddle> kadoban: It will remove them for you when you download. You can replace them with their respective jaunty ones after it's done.
[00:47] <kadoban> okay, that works, thanks
[00:48] <linux-hdtv> thank you, notriddle. the copy operation stalled because the new partition i made during installation had insufficient permissions ...
[00:48] <avihayb> umm, what's kadoban if I may ask?
[00:48] <notriddle> !kodoban | avihayb
[00:48] <notriddle> !kadoban | avihayb
[00:48] <avihayb> it's someones nickname...
[00:49]  * notriddle isn't surprised ubottu doesn't know...
[00:49] <kadoban> hehe
[00:49] <avihayb> well, I'll look it up in a dictionary or somth
[00:49] <notriddle> avihayb: Or you can google it :).
[00:50] <White_Pelican> congrats to the ubuntu/kubuntu team for releasing jaunty on time
[00:50] <kadoban> it's a term from sumo and a game i play.  it means something like a "must win" game...like the match that someone must win or they'll go down a rank
[00:50] <Daskreech> adasz_: What happens with your printer?
[00:51] <avihayb> oh. thanks. the google search is all japanease to me, maybe I should have tryed romaji first...
[00:53] <White_Pelican> is there a plan to make the jaunty remix available?
[00:53] <xjjk> White_Pelican: it'll probably be a few days
[00:53] <White_Pelican> some of us would like to upgrade but stick to 3.5.10
[00:54] <White_Pelican> ty so much xjjk
[00:54] <White_Pelican> woohoo
[00:54] <vistakiller> a thanks for this nice release!! :)
[00:54] <White_Pelican> will it be a seperate distro or will it be put in the repository?
[00:54] <xjjk> White_Pelican: I'm not a maintainer for it... I've not tried it either so I don't know the details
[00:55] <xjjk> I actually do wonder how it works
[00:55] <White_Pelican> ok ty
[00:55] <White_Pelican> I installed ubuntu inder vbox
[00:55]  * xjjk downloads the latest version to check
[00:55] <White_Pelican> about to install the kubuntu desktop
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:55] <Daskreech> White_Pelican: It should be out tomorrow
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <Daskreech> !paste | quassel208
[00:56] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:56] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:56] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:56] <quassel208> ow sorry\
[00:56] <quassel208> quassel didnt respond
[00:56] <quassel208> I need help, Xampp is only for 32 bit, how can i set it up for 64 bit ?
[00:56] <quassel208> Daskreech I only pasted 2 lines, but quassel didnt react so i kept pasting
[00:56] <faileas> ...
[00:57] <notriddle> quassel208: I had the "non-response" happen to me too. Bug report?...
[00:58] <quassel208> I gues it was still loading, but thats not my problem
[00:58] <notriddle> quassel208: And even two lines, as long as they are, should be pastebinned.
[00:58] <kadoban> uh...this is really dumb, but how do i tell if i have the 32 bit or the 64 bit version of kubuntu installed? (trying to upgrade, not sure which to download).  is it stated somewhere easy to find?
[00:58] <xjjk> kadoban: on the command line, run lsb_release -a
[00:58] <notriddle> kadoban: "uname -m"
[00:58] <xjjk> kadoban: err, sorry, I'm confused
[00:58] <xjjk> use uname as notriddle mentioend
[00:59] <kadoban> got it, thanks
[00:59]  * notriddle thinks either one would work.
[00:59] <Dragnslcr> Nope, lsb_release -a doesn't show 32/64
[01:00] <Dragnslcr> That was my first thought too, though
[01:01]  * notriddle wonders how PhoenixFFX's journey is progressing.
[01:02] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: How is it going?
[01:03] <linux-hdtv> plasma crashed and the i disappeared, does this mean the copy operation was terminated by the crash ?
[01:04] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: When X crashes, everything you are doing is lost.
[01:04] <agoole> ok, got a serious problem
[01:04] <linux-hdtv> only the menu bar crashed, notriddle, but the i is missing after it came back.
[01:05] <agoole> I just installed 9.04, and now the thing won't boot
[01:05] <reisi> can anyone confirm iozone3 308-1 crashing with buffer overflow (from fortify) on startup? x86-64 on amd phenom II x4
[01:05] <agoole> says I dont have write authority for /home/me/.ICEauthority
[01:05] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: If Plasma crashes, the copy should keep going. Wish it hadn't lost the (i), though.
[01:06] <reisi> iozone3 problem on latest jaunty; could someone please try it out? can then file a bugreport
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> !info iozone3
[01:07] <agoole> anyone has ICE error on bootup ?
[01:07] <Daskreech> agoole: That's not actually not booting
[01:07] <Daskreech> agoole: Login and see who owns it
[01:07] <avihayb> agoole: liveCD -> mount ->chmod ?
[01:07]  * notriddle thinks it's a login thing.
[01:08] <agoole> Daskreech: ok let me check
[01:08] <linux-hdtv> notriddle, i just started another copy, and in the i there is no mention of the former copy operation which should take hours to complete.
[01:09] <Daskreech> linux-hdtv: Ow
[01:09] <quassel208> MySQL daemon  how to I stop that one ?
[01:09] <agoole> ok, now it says 'could not start ksmserver,
[01:10] <agoole> quassel208: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[01:10] <Trog> is only the ubuntu release out?, when i go to actually download it says "ubuntu mirrior-cd" ??
[01:10] <agoole> Daskreech: do you know why ksmserver isn't booting ?
[01:10] <quassel208> jaunty is unstable If you ask me
[01:10] <Trog> <--wanted kubuntu
[01:11] <Daskreech> agoole: Ah. ... not
[01:11] <Dragnslcr> Trog- if you mean Kubuntu, yes, 9.04 is available
[01:11] <Daskreech> quassel208: ok :)
[01:11] <faileas> quassel208: donno, it works better than intrepid did for me
[01:11] <Daskreech> Dragnslcr: Unless he wants KDE3 on it :)
[01:11] <agoole> Daskreech: could you do me a favor and look it up ? i'm stuck to command line right now...ugh
[01:11] <Trog> hmm ok thx i'll look somemore
[01:11] <Dragnslcr> Daskreech- heh, those people don't count though
[01:12] <faileas> lol
[01:12] <faileas> there's a KDE3 remix/repo
[01:12] <Daskreech> agoole: That is what is preventing it from logging in?
[01:12] <quassel208> I cant go back, because I need the sources in Jaunty, I just hope that bug what causes the freezes will be fixed, because when my pc freezes while building kde, then my builds mapps while be messed up
[01:12] <Daskreech> quassel208: you are building KDE?
[01:12] <notriddle> Trog: Kubuntu Jaunty is out.
[01:12] <quassel208> yes
[01:13] <agoole> Daskreech: yeah, it just stays stuck, then if I click it says could not load ksmserver and restarts X
[01:13] <quassel208> Daskreech everday :)
[01:13] <quassel208> Have made a trunk update, and trunks runs really fine
[01:13] <Daskreech> agoole: try running sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx
[01:13] <Daskreech> quassel208: :-D What freezes ?
[01:13] <quassel208> xorg
[01:14] <Trog> k not thx, i just didnt think it was right saying ubuntu-mirrior/ kubuntu somethin
[01:14] <Daskreech> Really? What driver are you using?
[01:14] <quassel208> intel gma
[01:14] <Daskreech> >_<
[01:14] <quassel208> i have intel 945 on intel atom 330
[01:14] <Daskreech> quassel208: known Intel bug keep up with the updates
[01:14] <agoole> Daskreech: still nothing, that just restarted X with the same error
[01:14] <quassel208> like i know, I gues it uses intel
[01:15] <Daskreech> agoole: Is ksmsmserver installed
[01:15] <quassel208> Daskreech with the freezing a know intel bug ?
[01:15] <Daskreech> quassel208: yes update your x packages and the kernel
[01:16] <quassel208> when there are updates, or you suggest to enable backports ?
[01:16] <agoole> Daskreech: it says that it has been replaced by a new package, and I have that one, up to date
[01:16] <Daskreech> what which package?
[01:16] <quassel208> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365527
[01:16] <agoole> Daskreech: ksmserver was replaced by kdebase-workspace-data
[01:17] <Daskreech> quassel208: whenever they come :)
[01:17] <quassel208> Ive theres a fix it will get into normall updates
[01:17] <Daskreech> Ye it iwll
[01:17] <Daskreech> yes
[01:17] <quassel208> Lets hope so Daskreech, because I cant blame kde,
[01:17] <Daskreech> No it's all intel
[01:18] <agoole> so i'm stuck
[01:18] <Daskreech> agoole: Wait trying to track it down
[01:18] <agoole> Daskreech: thanks. :)
[01:19] <Daskreech> Do you have a ksmserver command ?
[01:19] <quassel208> I am using uxa here
[01:20] <quassel208> XAMPP: Another web server daemon is already running.
[01:20] <agoole> Daskreech: yes, and if I try to run it, it says it cannot write to that ICEauthority file
[01:20] <Daskreech> who owns that file ?
[01:20] <agoole> Daskreech: and that it cannot connect to kdm
[01:20] <agoole> I dont even think it exists
[01:21] <Daskreech> ls -l /home/me/.ICEauthority
[01:21] <mase_work> hey guys , just a quick question did the -intel performance issues in 9.04 end up being sorted or are they still an issue?
[01:21] <quassel208> how can i stop the apache demon
[01:21] <Daskreech> sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop
[01:21] <Lindows> so, has anyone tried the new kubuntu?
[01:21] <faileas> mase_work: i'm running it with a x3100
[01:22] <Daskreech> mase_work: less of an issue but still an issue
[01:22] <agoole> Daskreech: ok, it does exist,
[01:22] <agoole> Daskreech: owned by root
[01:22] <Daskreech> That's the problem
[01:22] <Daskreech> sudo chown me /home/me/.ICEauthority
[01:22] <quassel208> sudo: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found
[01:23] <mase_work> faileas: Daskreech which chipsets are you using ?
[01:23] <faileas> mase_work: x3100/gma955
[01:23] <Daskreech> AMD chipset and AMD Video chipset
[01:23] <notriddle> Lindows: Using it to type this.
[01:23] <mase_work> faileas: thanks.
[01:23] <faileas> Lindows: on it now ;)
[01:23] <Daskreech> faileas: Erm apache2 ? Might be httpd though I doubt it
[01:24] <Lindows> notriddle: how fast is the boot time?
[01:24] <faileas> If you like intrepid, you'll like this more ;p
[01:24] <faileas> Daskreech: er?
[01:24] <agoole> Daskreech: works!,
[01:24] <notriddle> Lindows: That depends, obviously, on the speed of your machine.
[01:24] <Daskreech> Lindows: pretty fast for me for some people it's as fast as ibex
[01:24] <faileas> Lindows: pretty damn fast
[01:24] <Lindows> nice
[01:24] <notriddle> Lindows: USE EXT4!
[01:24] <agoole> Daskreech: I wonder what caused the break, i just installed like 1hr ago
[01:24] <Daskreech> agoole: Of course
[01:24] <faileas> it blows away ibex in my case
[01:24] <Daskreech> faileas: For me as well
[01:25] <quassel208> Daskreech why didnt work that apache command ?
[01:25]  * notriddle just remembers to never use all caps...
[01:25] <Daskreech> I could get a glass of juice before login in ibex I can't even reach the kitchen now
[01:25] <linux-hdtv> After booting, the external USB drives are not mounted until i plug in a new one.
[01:25] <notriddle> quassel208: You don't have apache.
[01:25] <Daskreech> quassel208: Do you have apache installed ?
[01:25] <quassel208> gues not
[01:25] <agoole> exit
[01:25] <Lindows> notriddle: I can't afford to lose any data, how stable is ext4?
[01:26] <Daskreech> linux-hdtv: They should be in the side panel of dolphin you can just click them and they will mount
[01:26] <linux-hdtv> lindows, as stable as a backup.
[01:26] <notriddle> Lindows: I've not experienced any trouble yet.
[01:26] <quassel208> XAMPP: Another web server daemon is already running.
[01:26] <faileas> Lindows: i chose to wait. there's been reports of data loss
[01:26] <quassel208> about which one is he complacing then ?
[01:26] <linux-hdtv> the don't appear there until i switch one off and on again.
[01:26] <Daskreech> Lindows: Stable but there is an issue with it and systems that write lots ofsmall files
[01:26] <Daskreech>  (Read that as Gnome KDE and Xfce)
[01:26] <faileas> quassel208: just curious, why are you running xampp instead of the default lamp stack?
[01:26] <linux-hdtv> notriddle, they don't appear there until i switch one off and on again.
[01:26] <faileas> lol
[01:27] <faileas> Daskreech: AKA the most common desktop environments
[01:27] <Lindows> I think I'll wait a month and let the dust settle, hopefully have all the kinks out by then
[01:27] <quassel208> faileas because it xampp is lampp ?
[01:27] <notriddle> faileas: Mostly, that's because ext4 has a bigger buffer, so there's a bigger delay before writing. As a result, if your system crashes at the wrong time...
[01:27] <faileas> quassel208: well not really
[01:27] <quassel208> ow
[01:27] <quassel208> what the different?
[01:27] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: Hm...
[01:28]  * notriddle is using EXT4 right now.
[01:29]  * notriddle thinks it's probably not checking for any plugged-in drives when it starts. IOW, a bug.
[01:29] <avihayb> faileas: umm, is there a newer x3100/965GMA driver in the new release and is it any good?
[01:29] <Daskreech> Lindows: Ha ha this is a filesystem Kinks in file systems take a year not a month to work out
[01:29] <Daskreech> Lindows: It's pretty safe though since it's mostly just ext3
[01:29] <faileas> avihayb: i'm not sure. I just installed the RC, needed to update, and it seems to work
[01:30] <avihayb>  I have an intel x3100 or 965GM, and it's outperformed in GLXGears, or anything else for that matter by my 9 years old ATI Radeon 7200
[01:30] <faileas> XD
[01:30] <avihayb> curently runing 8.10
[01:30] <Lindows> daskreech: then it looks like I need to finally start using my external drive and backing up data =)
[01:30] <avihayb> not funny! I'm an andrenalin adict, more or less
[01:30] <Daskreech> Sure
[01:31] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: It's probably not checking for any plugged-in drives when it starts. IOW, a bug.
[01:31] <Daskreech> avihayb: I'm not sure which is sadder
[01:31] <avihayb> there is this one game that just pumps me full of andrenalin, and with this kind of FPSage, and crashes, I had to withraw
[01:32] <linux-hdtv> right, notriddle.
[01:32] <faileas> hmm?
[01:32] <linux-hdtv> doing the copy with grsync now.
[01:32] <faileas> glxgears dosen't wotk ;p
[01:32] <faileas> i get an error "Error: couldn't open display (null)"
[01:33] <avihayb> one of these days, I'm going to install windows or something...
[01:33] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: Can't really recommend anything but running "ubuntu-bug /usr/bin/dolphin" from a command line.
[01:33] <faileas> lol
[01:33] <faileas> avihayb: i dualboot both systems on my desktop
[01:33] <avihayb> faileas: you need to run it from a graphical terminal?
[01:33] <faileas> avihayb: i tried to run it from mibbit
[01:33] <faileas> er
[01:33] <faileas> brainfart
[01:33] <faileas> i mean yakuake
[01:33] <avihayb> It's a laptop, and this tiny 160GB is already full...
[01:34] <Lindows> if your cpu supports it, you can use kvm to run windows
[01:34] <faileas> or virtualbox
[01:35] <faileas> or VMware something or another
[01:35]  * Daskreech looks at his 4GB hard drive and sighs at Tiny 160 GB
[01:35] <avihayb> and my partitioning scheme isn't gonna cut it... :-<   and KVM uses @rapy low end gfx cards, so I can't just use that
[01:36] <avihayb> not to mention, no sound card
[01:36] <Lindows> you get sound over kvm
[01:36] <Lindows> I use it to run windows xp, to use zune and listen to music
[01:37] <Daskreech> Hmm I wonder if they will release a zune driver for LInux
[01:37] <avihayb> well, I didn't poke too much into the kvm config, but, it won't run unless I'm root, and I have to run it manualy, because it won't work with virt manager
[01:39] <Byron> Hello all
[01:40] <Lindows> avihayb: kvm -soundhw all
[01:40] <Daskreech> All is out right now can I take a message?
[01:40] <Lindows> avihayb: I think that's all you need for sound, if you run from the command line
[01:41] <avihayb> ok, let's see if windows will survive the change ...
[01:41] <Byron> LOL @Daskreech
[01:41] <freakorama> Hi all here, got a question, is it possible to backup ext4 ? Any tool ?Partimage is not working anymore ...
[01:42] <ramon> Hi everybody...I have 2 questions...does anybody know how do I download video from Youtube?
[01:43] <ramon> and the other is, how do I creat DVDs, as converting mpeg to .VOB like convertXtoDVD does in windoes
[01:43] <freakorama> @ramon : try video download helper addon, if you use firefox :)
[01:44] <avihayb> ramon, if you are a firefox user, there is an addon called download helper
[01:44] <ramon> yes I use...video download
[01:44] <ramon> ?
[01:44] <faileas> ramon: there's a few extensions for greasemonkey. i use biggervidz, which also has fownloadage as a feature
[01:44] <faileas> (it mainly rearranges the page for better efficiency)
[01:44] <ramon> what's fownloadage ??
[01:45] <faileas> *downloadage
[01:46] <faileas> i made a spelling misteak ;)
[01:46] <avihayb> found new hardware, creative audio pci. Thanks lindows
[01:46] <avihayb> and I missed him
[01:46] <ramon> LOL..ok thanx....
[01:46] <ramon> and the other stuff, dows anybody know?
[01:47] <ramon> if i want to convert many mpegs videos as DVD
[01:51] <ramon> Anybody??
[01:51] <wanda> i am here
[01:51] <Daskreech> deeveedee ?
[01:51] <reisi> ramon: read up on mencoder
[01:51] <Byron> Daskreech: devede
[01:51] <reisi> ramon: there might be some user friendly front-ends to mencoder etc. as well
[01:51] <avihayb> !medibuntu
[01:52] <ramon> reisi, can you explain it for me??
[01:52] <reisi> ramon: google will explain
[01:52] <ramon> i just want a program which does the same as ConvertXtoDVD
[01:53] <avihayb> damn windows, can't even behave under kvm
[01:53] <reisi> great, try googling, then check out what avihayb just mentioned, 'medibuntu'
[01:55] <avihayb> I remember that there was a ubuntu based distro that was geraed twards image audio and video editing
[01:56] <faileas> ubuntu studio
[01:56] <Daskreech> I've never tried kvm how does it work?
[01:56] <Daskreech> !studio
[01:56] <huh> is anyone besides me having trouble getting java installed on 64bit kubuntu jaunty ?
[01:57] <avihayb> well, I remember it used to work as if nothing is, but now, when I run KVM, one CPU is always 100% busy
[01:57] <avihayb> even though, I don't feel any performance impact
[01:58] <huh> no?
[01:58] <Daskreech> huh: Someelse was earlier I never got what the problem was for them. What issue are you having?
[01:58] <avihayb> wow, the sound actualy works
[01:58] <avihayb> guess what I had to do?
[01:59] <huh> i install everything that i can find, jre, jdk, java-common, java-wrappers,  when i try to load a page with java content i get executable not found
[01:59] <reisi> avihayb: what windows are you trying to use?
[01:59] <avihayb> xp
[01:59] <reisi> huh: applets or javafx?
[01:59] <huh> applet
[02:00] <reisi> avihayb: haven't had that kind of behaviour at least under virtualbox, no experiences on kvm though
[02:00] <huh> http://nist.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Central/d/-6/java
[02:00] <avihayb> sudo apt-get install sun-java-bin didn't work?
[02:00] <huh> no, but i will try it again
[02:00] <reisi> huh: have you installed sun-java-plugin?
[02:00] <avihayb> err java->java6
[02:01] <reisi> same err for me :)
[02:01] <Daskreech> huh: installed sun-java6-jre ?
[02:01] <avihayb> well, windows just needed a reset for sound to work
[02:02] <reisi> huh: you should actually make sure you have actually zero other jre's installed when you don't know what you are doing (update-alternatives).. different java implementations do not play well together
[02:02] <Daskreech> true
[02:02] <huh> sun-java6-jre installed but did not fix the problem
[02:03] <reisi> avihayb: i'm currently experimenting with copying my vista system from laptop -> virtualbox (on my new desktop) ... dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -c | nc   ---> etc :)
[02:03] <avihayb> I think you need -bin and -plugin
[02:03] <reisi> -jre and -plugin will be fine
[02:03] <reisi> huh: just make sure you uninstall all other java implementations (no guarantees even on openjdk vs. sun-java compability)
[02:03] <avihayb> are ya sure that virtual box excepts gzip?
[02:04] <reisi> avihayb: i'm nc:ing it into a virtual box started from grml-small :)
[02:05] <huh> installed sun-java6-plugin     now firefox won't start  : )
[02:05] <avihayb> I beg your pardon?
[02:05] <reisi> avihayb: ie. i'm using grml to deploy a copy of my previous vista _into_ the vm
[02:05] <reisi> huh: start firefox from console window
[02:05] <avihayb> I'm not familiar with virtual box, except for the fact that it's the new star in the world of linux virtualization
[02:06] <reisi> avihayb: it's quite nice, desktopish, very simple even for windows collegues to use
[02:06] <huh> i started firefox from kconsole and java is working   : )
[02:06] <olskolirc> I can't get my number pad to work in pico/nano why is this?
[02:07] <reisi> huh: must had been something temporary then.. firefox can get jammed up and looking all closed; restarting might hang as well.. but usually those are transient
[02:07] <huh> now it start from k menu and java works   )
[02:07] <huh> : )
[02:07] <huh> ty  : )
[02:07] <reisi> huh: great!
[02:07] <avihayb> well, I tryed to install it, it didn't work, or I had to add myself to it's group, or I had a wird error and google didn't help...:-<
[02:07] <reisi> avihayb: you logged in after adding yourself to it's group? :)
[02:08] <huh> apt-get install sun-java6-plugin   is the thing that did the final tweak
[02:08] <avihayb> I think I did. it was a long time ago
[02:08] <reisi> huh: that and only that package would had been enough, it has all the required dependencies
[02:08] <Daskreech> huh: Right.. .duh
[02:08] <Daskreech> >_<
[02:09] <reisi> huh: if you run into strange possibly java related problems in the future make sure you've only got sun-java6 packages installed (not icedtea etc.)
[02:10] <quassel208> whats the username fow mysql on ubuntu ?
[02:13] <embraceunity_> im bored... no bugs... when's koala coming
[02:13] <reisi> argh.. just great.. audio device going crazy again, locks up both spotify and firefox
[02:13] <quassel208> oh theres nop password
[02:13] <racecar56> how do i get kdenlive to render my video in h.264? it wont let me
[02:13] <quassel208> username is root lol
[02:14] <Daskreech> embraceunity_: a month
[02:14] <embraceunity_> darn
[02:14] <reisi> quassel208: system accounts usually have an "x" as their passwords, ie. non-loggable
[02:14] <ubuser> Totally impressive. Am very impressed with ubuntu and kde 4.2. The upgrade went very well 5 of my linux boxes so far.
[02:16] <avihayb> Daskreech: My older brother told me his tales of buing the first 8086 PC. the dealer wouldn't sell them the 80MB HDD. he said: It's too big, you will never be able to fill that up, here, buy this 40MB HDD.... so they went and ordered it directly
[02:16] <Daskreech> avihayb: I don't think there was a 80MB hdd for a 8086
[02:16] <avihayb> and yes, it got realy full, realy fast...
[02:17] <blood> hello
[02:17] <jvcruz> Anyone here knows about Kmail, is it fixed already?
[02:17] <avihayb> maybe it was a 40MB vs a 20MB. but I realy belive that it was an 80MB. I think they had to split it to two because of some fat16 limitations
[02:17] <linux-hdtv> KPackageKit is trying since 5 minutes to get Perl bindings for GNU Libidn, no cancel option.
[02:18] <ubuser> I was involved back in the early 80s when hdds were about 5 mega and cost a fortune.
[02:19] <reisi> 40MB sounds very funny as my desktop can currently sustain writes at ~200MB/s, while running a 1-3 operating systems
[02:19] <jmichaelx> last night i installed the new ati 9.4 driver using the automatic installer from the ati site, but have finally decided to ditch my ati card, and install an nvidia card. could anyone tell me how to remove the ati driver that i installed with the automatic installer?
[02:19] <linux-hdtv> good decision, jmichaelx
[02:20] <jmichaelx> linux-hdtv: tell me about it. this has just become horrid.
[02:20] <huh> you don't have to completely remove it
[02:20] <reisi> jmichaelx: do you have some kind of multiscreen issue with proprietary ati drivers...?
[02:20] <jmichaelx> huh: i figured that was case, but i would rather be rid of it
[02:21] <avihayb> bahh, now I don't have enough room on my virtual machine. I guess I have to remove KDE for windows from it...
[02:21] <jmichaelx> reisi: no, everything is working with the proprietary driver, with the exception of ALL videos. no videos play correctly now.
[02:21] <reisi> jmichaelx: very strange.. do you have multiple screens?
[02:21] <jvcruz> whoa
[02:22] <jvcruz> I guess Intel video is the best for Linux
[02:22] <jmichaelx> reisi: no, just a single screen, but i have heard many others complaining about the same issues.
[02:22] <huh> where do you get the intel driver ?
[02:22] <jvcruz> But NVIDIA's is a performance beast...
[02:22] <jvcruz> Ubuntu have good opensource drivers...
[02:22] <jvcruz> Defaults should be nice.
[02:23] <jmichaelx> jvcruz: OSS drivers for some older ATI cards are actually quite decent, but not for newer ATI cards
[02:23] <jvcruz> Yes. I know...
[02:23] <wirechief> !ati
[02:24] <reisi> jmichaelx: i agree on that.. though i never managed to get proprietary to work with two screens.. later found a way with the plain "radeon", no accel though on anything i guess except xv
[02:24] <wirechief> !fglrx
[02:24] <jvcruz> But OSS Intel drivers are mainstream drivers.
[02:24]  * rt_is_afk is away: Gone away for now
[02:25] <jvcruz> NVIDIA and ATI need propietary drivers, but Intel dont
[02:25] <linux-hdtv> how can i install kaudiocreator ?
[02:25] <jvcruz> but nvidia and ati have faster GPU's. In comparision to intel ones
[02:25] <Daskreech> Its not a video card manaufacturer
[02:26] <Daskreech> not a very good one anyway
[02:26] <jvcruz> course not, is the way they help OpenSource
[02:28] <racecar56> how do i get kdenlive to render my video in h.264? it wont let me
[02:28] <racecar56> i installed libfaac
[02:28] <telaviv> Jaunty did not work for me. It said something about kconfig 4 or something not working
[02:29] <telaviv> it immediately sent me to a terminal
[02:29] <reisi> how does one set cpu affinity in linux? kernel seems to be bouncing my virtual box instance across all cores
[02:30] <racecar56> yeah, im using 9.04
[02:30] <wirechief> jmichaelx: check this out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[02:30] <huh> does the open source intel graphics driver support 3d ?
[02:30] <ofv> hello all.
[02:30] <ofv> after upgrading to 9.04 the process kded4 is using 100% cpu.
[02:31] <wirechief> huh right now they have blacklisted the intel for compiz
[02:31] <EagleScreen> huh yes, but there are problems in 9.04
[02:31] <jeiworth> reisi: just found this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6799
[02:32] <mkasson> can't get my dual screens to use DPMS with kubuntu.works in win tho.  anyone have suggestions
[02:32]  * racecar56 waits
[02:32] <linux-hdtv> kde4 seems still quite buggy, ofv
[02:32] <jmichaelx> last night i installed the new ati 9.4 driver using the automatic installer from the ati site, but have finally decided to ditch my ati card, and install an nvidia card. could anyone tell me how to remove the ati driver that i installed with the automatic installer?
[02:33] <wirechief> jmichaelx:  see this for help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[02:33] <mkasson> oh and when I click on Display in System Settings, Sys Settings crashes
[02:33] <ofv> linux-hdtv: right now i'm trying to learn what it does. is it advisable to kill it?
[02:35] <jeiworth> jmichaelx: when i did that the last time (8.04) i didnt do anything, just switched cards, the system booted and suggested the nvidia proprietary driver for installation
[02:35] <EagleScreen> mkasson: crash after configuring dual monitor?
[02:35] <mkasson> nah.  duals ok
[02:36] <mkasson> err, dual is ok
[02:37] <mkasson> EagleScreen, you having troubles?
[02:37] <EagleScreen> with dual monitor, yes i have
[02:37] <wirechief> jeiworth good tip the link i gave will give additional information too
[02:38] <reisi> jeiworth: thanks.. there's actually a bad command called taskset to help with this..
[02:38] <reisi> jeiworth: important thing seems to be to remember to set the main process and it's threads to a cpu, if possible
[02:38] <mkasson> EagleScreen, there was a great howto section in the forums.  looking for it
[02:39] <reisi> io didn't degrade but csw:s dropped from 50k -> 30k :)
[02:39] <jeiworth> wirechief: yw :)
[02:39] <jeiworth> reese: hmmmm taskset, i will look into that, thanks
[02:39] <jeiworth> reisi: hmmmm taskset, i will look into that, thanks
[02:39] <jmichaelx> wirechief: i do not think that those docs explain how to remove the proprietary driver, when downloaded from the amd site, and installed using their auto-installer
[02:39] <ofv> well, found a "fix" on a forum: kill kded4, logout, login, and problem solved.
[02:39]  * red_team316 is back.
[02:40]  * wirechief gonna toss ATI card , i have a nvidia 6100 but will upgrade that someday.
[02:40] <jmichaelx> wirechief: same here
[02:40]  * racecar56 still waits
[02:40] <mkasson> EagleScreen, this is the best howto I have found: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Using_multiple_monitors_with_XFree86
[02:41] <racecar56> how do i get kdenlive to render my video in h.264? it wont let me, its disabled
[02:41] <ofv> another strange thing is that ktorrent started automatically on the first login after the update. It was not working on the previous logout.
[02:41] <olskolirc> In the terminal, how do I stop and restart my Internet connection in konsole please?
[02:41] <reisi> racecar56: check if you are missing some package.. perhaps it suggests but you haven't installed it
[02:41] <mkasson> EagleScreen, I think I used Xinerama.  I think I recall someone saying kde needed that.  could be wrong there
[02:42] <avihayb> olskolirc: ifconfig interface_name: down/up
[02:42] <racecar56> reisi, no suggestings
[02:42] <reisi> Xinerama .. hasn't it been replaced by XRandR?
[02:42] <reisi> that's atleast what system settings uses (when it crashes)
[02:42] <olskolirc> that doesn't work for me avihayb
[02:42] <wirechief> jmichaelx: well there seems to be a lot of information on that howto, not sure any of it works with the latest jaunty but some of it does.
[02:42] <olskolirc> tells me eth0 is not configured avihayb
[02:43] <mkasson> reisi, no idea.
[02:43] <olskolirc> im straight wired from my modem to my pc avihayb
[02:43] <mkasson> I did some xorg.conf mojo and viola
[02:43] <avihayb> but you can still use eth0?
[02:43] <wirechief> jmichaelx: i would be tempted to just power it down and remove the ati and install the nvidia and reboot
[02:43] <olskolirc> yes avihayb
[02:43] <racecar56> reisi, it dosent suggest or reccomend anything
[02:43] <davecmenta> hi
[02:43] <reisi> racecar56: i heard you.. did you try googling?
[02:43] <racecar56> hi
[02:44] <avihayb> umm, anyone else has an idea?
[02:44] <davecmenta> where are you from?
[02:44] <reisi> davecmenta: from all over the world
[02:44] <reisi> avihayb: on what?
[02:44] <davecmenta> what is your problem?
[02:45] <wirechief> jmichaelx: if it brings you to a terminal you can try backing up your xorg.conf and then do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:45] <avihayb>  <olskolirc> In the terminal, how do I stop and restart my Internet connection in konsole please?
[02:45] <avihayb> ifconfig interface_name: down/up
[02:45] <avihayb> that doesn't work for me
[02:45] <olskolirc> ipconfig eth0 down
[02:45] <avihayb> that doesn't work for me
[02:45] <olskolirc> ipconfig eth0 up
[02:45] <davecmenta> bacause I got a problem with the flash player
[02:45] <reisi> avihayb: perhaps /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:45] <avihayb> im straight wired from my modem to my pc
[02:45] <olskolirc> and it doesn't work
[02:45] <avihayb> but you can still use eth0?
[02:45] <reisi> avihayb: depends on how the eth is configured
[02:45] <avihayb> yes
[02:45] <davecmenta> it doesnt run with kubuntu
[02:46] <olskolirc> i guess im using eth0 avihayb i don't know
[02:46] <olskolirc> it says its not configured
[02:46] <mkasson> so no thoughts on DPMS?  my friend has run out of advice
[02:46] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:47] <davecmenta> I ty it from konsole it didnt work
[02:47] <KiRiLoS> Noob Question:Where can I set which apps launch when the system is starting up?Thanks
[02:47] <olskolirc> thanks reisi
[02:47] <davecmenta> I try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:48] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: do u use konqueror or firefox?
[02:48] <reisi> olskolirc: on the /etc/init.d/networking restart thingie? np
[02:48] <davecmenta> I use firefox
[02:49] <olskolirc> oh i didn't try it yet reisi i can't let go just yet
[02:49] <EagleScreen> restart firefox
[02:49] <racecar56> reisi, problem soled
[02:49] <olskolirc> but that sounds good reisi
[02:49] <racecar56> reisi, *solved
[02:49] <davecmenta> I will
[02:49] <EagleScreen> and what is your extact problem at playing?
[02:50] <linux-hdtv> how can i play an sudiocd ?
[02:50] <linux-hdtv> when i insert it, i can rip it with k3b or open it with dolphin, which displays audiocd: and an empty list.
[02:51] <EagleScreen> linux-hdtv: use amarok or kscd
[02:51] <EagleScreen> or kaffeine
[02:51] <davecmenta> my problem is that i cant run youtube videos or redtube jaja or similar videos based on flash
[02:51] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: what happens when you try it?
[02:51] <raylu> how do i resize things on my panel? my clock is a bit too large...
[02:52] <avihayb> vlc can run som flv's
[02:52] <linux-hdtv> in Amarok, play media, where do i find the cd ?
[02:52] <davecmenta> just say: that i need a newer version of the flash player
[02:52] <davecmenta> i try many things
[02:52] <reisi> davecmenta: what kubuntu have you installed?
[02:53] <davecmenta> I dont know
[02:53] <EagleScreen> linux-hdtv: install kscd and use it
[02:53] <reisi> davecmenta: if you could find it out, it'd help a lot
[02:53] <davecmenta> Ijust download it and burn into a disk and install
[02:53] <EagleScreen> yes davecmenta and what arch? 32 or 64 bits?
[02:54] <reisi> davecmenta: sounds like you've installed some ancient version.. i've got flash working good right here on 8.10 (x86) and 9.04 (x86-64)
[02:54] <davecmenta> how can i see the version
[02:54] <EagleScreen> what version and architecture? is it i386 or amd64?
[02:54] <davecmenta> from konsole?
[02:54] <EagleScreen> yes from konsole
[02:54] <davecmenta> no amd no
[02:54] <davecmenta> my processor is celeron
[02:55] <raylu> davecmenta: lsb_release -a
[02:55] <EagleScreen> amd64 is also for Intel processors
[02:55] <davecmenta> let me try it
[02:55] <EagleScreen> did you downloaded i386 CD or amd64 CD?
[02:55] <wimpies> any netbook users here ?
[02:55] <faileas> eww, celeron
[02:55] <raylu> wimpies: to your question in #ubuntu, no, sorry
[02:55] <reisi> !ask
[02:56] <wimpies> reisi : referring to me ?
[02:56] <KiRiLoS> Noob Question:Where can I set which apps launch when the system is starting up?Thanks
[02:56] <reisi> wimpies: yes
[02:57] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:57] <reisi> EagleScreen: lsb_release -a might be easier :)
[02:57] <wimpies> reisi : sorry ... i was looking for the proper place to asks questions about installing ubuntu-netbook remix on an external SD card.
[02:58] <wimpies> whether it can be done and how that is
[02:58] <raylu> !startup | KiRiLoS
[02:58] <raylu> on that note, how does one get rid of the kubuntu login sound?
[02:59] <reisi> wimpies: no worries.. just that you'll save some time not needing to wait twice to be noticed :)
[02:59] <davecmenta> how can I see my version of kubuntu from konsole
[02:59] <reisi> raylu: check out the System Settings > Notifications
[02:59] <raylu> davecmenta: again, lsb_release -a
[03:00] <raylu> reisi: i don't see anything relevant
[03:00] <linux-hdtv> eaglescreen, kscd does not play it either.
[03:00] <linux-hdtv> my, this is buggy ...
[03:00] <reisi> raylu: select tab "player settings"
[03:00] <davecmenta> I try Isb_release-a
[03:00] <davecmenta> but it says: order not found
[03:00] <raylu> reisi: use the kde sound system, use an external player, no audio output
[03:01] <raylu> davecmenta: that's an "L", lower-case. and there's a space before the "-a"
[03:01] <raylu> reisi: i should note that my snd_hda_intel failed
[03:01] <reisi> raylu: there's "No sound" if you want to shut everything down; or only the login sound from "Applications" tab, "KDE System Notifications", there's login sound
[03:02] <davecmenta>  fine you are a god
[03:02] <davecmenta> it works know
[03:02] <davecmenta> and says
[03:02] <davecmenta> distributor:Ubuntu
[03:03] <davecmenta> description:Ubuntu 8.04.1
[03:03] <davecmenta> release 8.04
[03:03] <reisi> davecmenta: if you've just done a fresh installation you might as well a) upgrade it to latest 9.04 b) do another fresh install, now with 9.04
[03:04] <davecmenta> it means I needd to install again
[03:04] <davecmenta> ?
[03:04] <davecmenta> or how can I UPGRADE
[03:04] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: wait a moment
[03:04] <davecmenta> OK
[03:05] <reisi> davecmenta: you can find that information at ubuntu home page
[03:05] <davecmenta> sounds good
[03:05] <raylu> reisi: nope, that wasn't the issue. but...
[03:05] <raylu> reisi: i'm in kde4, btw
[03:05] <reisi> raylu: same here
[03:06] <davecmenta> I would like to be a hacker or at least sistems enginner
[03:07] <EagleScreen> I think hardy has not flashplugin yet
[03:07] <davecmenta> yes
[03:07] <reisi> raylu: then i probably misunderstood what you were after; though you wanted to turn login sound off
[03:08] <reisi> EagleScreen: might be easier to guide davecmenta to just upgrade or reinstall to 9.04 than to solve the problem other way..
[03:08] <EagleScreen> 9.04 gives a lot of problems
[03:08] <davecmenta> i understand
[03:08] <reisi> EagleScreen: hmm ok
[03:09] <reisi> davecmenta: you can always go to adobe's site and download their adobe-flashplugin for ubuntu 8.04
[03:09] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: can you use synaptic?
[03:09] <davecmenta> synaptic?
[03:09] <davecmenta> no im sorry
[03:09] <acalbaza> i want to give kubuntu a try and have xubuntu installed already, do i really need to plop kubuntu on a new partition or can i upgrage xubuntu to kubuntu?
[03:10] <EagleScreen> Sistem -> Administration -> Synaptic package manager
[03:10] <EagleScreen> oh this is kubuntu!
[03:10] <reisi> acalbaza: you can just install kubuntu-desktop or some package like that
[03:10] <acalbaza> or just install kde packages?
[03:10] <davecmenta> yes
[03:10] <davecmenta> I will try with synaptic i got you
[03:10] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: can you use pastebin?
[03:10] <davecmenta> no
[03:10] <reisi> EagleScreen: i was beginning to think they had renamed adept or whatever :D
[03:11] <davecmenta> no , my version of kubuntu is in spanish
[03:11] <mkasson> wooohoo: a little xset magic and DPMS works
[03:11] <davecmenta> and the names changes
[03:11] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ it is to paste text and let us to see it
[03:12] <EagleScreen> dave what happens if you try to run 'sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree' ?
[03:13] <davecmenta> it runs like and instalation on konsole
[03:13] <davecmenta> but when i try to see the youtube, dont works
[03:14] <linux-hdtv> Where can i disable services in GUI ?
[03:14] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: open Adepr manager
[03:14] <EagleScreen> Adept
[03:14] <davecmenta> yes
[03:15] <davecmenta> im opening
[03:15] <EagleScreen> okay, now clicl on edit Software Sources
[03:16] <davecmenta> ok it is loading
[03:17] <EagleScreen> it is slow
[03:18] <davecmenta> yes
[03:18] <davecmenta> now the adept is open
[03:19] <EagleScreen> Adept -> Edit Software Sources or Edit Repositories
[03:19] <davecmenta> ok
[03:20] <davecmenta> software sources is open
[03:20] <linux-hdtv> How can i disable ssh in CLI ?
[03:20] <EagleScreen> mark main, restricted, universe and multiverse
[03:21] <davecmenta> marked
[03:21] <EagleScreen> and go to Third Part Software
[03:21] <davecmenta> ok
[03:22] <EagleScreen> now click on Add repository
[03:22] <davecmenta> ok
[03:22] <EagleScreen> and add this one: deb http://oktan.ls.fi.upm.es/debian-multimedia/ testing main
[03:22] <EagleScreen> deb http://oktan.ls.fi.upm.es/debian-multimedia/ testing main
[03:22] <EagleScreen> copy that line
[03:25] <davecmenta> ok
[03:25] <EagleScreen> this is the way to add a new repository
[03:25] <davecmenta> ok
[03:25] <davecmenta> understand
[03:26] <EagleScreen> when added, reload package list
[03:26] <EagleScreen> and look for a package called 'flashplayer-mozilla'
[03:27] <davecmenta> ok
[03:27] <EagleScreen> can you find it?
[03:27] <davecmenta> let me see
[03:28] <davecmenta> IM here
[03:29] <EagleScreen> install now flashplayer-mozilla
[03:29] <EagleScreen> it should appear
[03:29] <AlephZarro> Hey everbody. Apologies in advance for what is probably a common question.  If I've installed a VERY recent Kubuntu 9.04 RC or beta version, is there a way to easily upgrade to the official release of 9.04 without a complete re-install?
[03:30] <EagleScreen> yes AlephZarro: run in a terminal: 'sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade' and ready
[03:31] <AlephZarro> EagleScreen, you rock.  Thanks!
[03:31]  * KiRiLoS is away: I'm busy
[03:32] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: what happens with you?
[03:33] <davecmenta> im here but when i try to open the adept now it says it cant be oppened because an error
[03:33] <EagleScreen> dont use Adept
[03:33] <BluesKaj> hi NickPresta, ltns!
[03:34] <NickPresta> BluesKaj: hey! Long time indeed! I've been busy with school. But I am done (for the year) thankfully.
[03:34] <EagleScreen> use aptitude, run: 'sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla'
[03:35] <johan__> I have installes java but in firefox it is not working in kde desktop 9.04 :|
[03:35] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, what's your course of study ?
[03:35] <katie> hey, i'm having serious browser problems and i think it might be a problem with flash--
[03:35] <EagleScreen> if aptitude gives you an error paste it in http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[03:35] <NickPresta> BluesKaj: Computer Science :-)
[03:35] <katie> Do all browsers use the same flash player?
[03:35] <mase_work> johan__: can you be a bit more specific . Do you have an error message ? which apps are you trying to run ?
[03:35] <EagleScreen> katie: almost all
[03:36] <BluesKaj> NickPresta , quel surprise !  :)
[03:36] <johan__> mase_work: no not at all in konqueror it is working
[03:36] <mase_work> johan__: ah so you mean javaws not java its self
[03:37] <katie> eaglescreen: is it the same flashplayer-mozilla you guys are talking about now? I tried to install that with apt-get and it said there was no installation candidate... how do I figure out what flash player I'm currently using?
[03:37] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | katie
[03:38] <johan__> mase_work: my son likes to play runeascape :P i installed java-sun
[03:38] <davecmenta> i will restart
[03:39] <mase_work> johan__: yeh there is nothing wrong with java ( at least i like it :) . I'm currently using hardy still so i don't know if i can help with specific issues, but have you looked to see if javaws( java web start) is installed. I am not sure if its a seperate package
[03:39] <EagleScreen> katie: you have in ubuntu 8.10 or 9.04 flashplugin-nonfree package, it is an script which download and copy the plugin from Adobe site, it sometimes fails
[03:40] <Ratchet_the_fox> Hi im i was in the proces of upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 when my internet died and then came back.  anyways it said that the downloads failed and to restart the program after i check my conection.  i need to know how to restart that program
[03:40] <EagleScreen> there are in debian-multimedia a package called flashplayer-mozilla which really contains the plugin inside, and also has the native new 64 bit plugin
[03:41] <johan__> mase_work: that is intalled too
[03:42] <EagleScreen> Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat.  For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/
[03:42] <mase_work> johan__: hmm not sure sorry . I don't have a jaunty machine handy at the moment to try it out sorry.
[03:43] <mase_work> johan__: so is this konqueror integration ?
[03:43] <mase_work> does if so does it work in Firefox ?
[03:43] <johan__> mase_work: it is ok i will find out
[03:43] <johan__> it does work in konqueror but it is not seen by firefox
[03:44] <mase_work> johan__: oh ok . erm...
[03:44] <mase_work> so its working then..jus gotta get firefox to use it
[03:44] <Ratchet_the_fox> can anyone help me?
[03:44] <mase_work> i don't really know much about how firefox works.
[03:45] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: apt-get dist-upgrade should be enoguh
[03:45] <Ratchet_the_fox> thank you :)
[03:45] <mase_work> np.
[03:45] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: wait
[03:45] <Ratchet_the_fox> yes?
[03:45] <katie> eaglescreen: i have 8.04, I'm installing medibuntu-- thanks for the tip, I haven't heard of this, hopefully it fixes my issues.. I wasn't having an issue before, but some update or something broke something in all browsers I use now
[03:45] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: make sure that the /etc/apt/apt-sources.list has been updated for jaunty
[03:46] <mase_work> it needs to say jaunty not intrepid
[03:46] <mase_work> then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:46] <Ratchet_the_fox> how do i check that x_x
[03:47] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: what was the process that you went through previously to update the system ?
[03:47] <Ratchet_the_fox> the adept thing that comes up in the task bar
[03:47] <Riesh> updating seems now almost imppossible - so slow
[03:48] <EagleScreen> katie: 8.04 has flash version 9, it could be impossible to download now
[03:48] <katie> what does that mean?
[03:48] <katie> eaglescreen: yes, something isn't working-- what does that mean? I just saw something about 9.04, I'm looking into an upgrade..
[03:49] <Ratchet_the_fox> ok adept seem s to be using 8.10 sorces
[03:49] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: hmm ok. there should be an update manager application which you can run .I don't currently use intrepid or kde 4 so i am not able to direct you GUI wise
[03:49] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: if you are familiar with vim or nano you can edit the files /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:49] <mase_work> and make sure that instead of intrepid it says jaunty
[03:49] <mase_work> and then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
[03:50] <mase_work> but if you can find someone who can help via the gui that might be easier
[03:51] <EagleScreen> flash is not in medibuntu
[03:52] <EagleScreen> katie: you have two options, upgrade all the system to Ubuntu 9.04 or add a new repository and install flash from it
[03:53] <Ratchet_the_fox> what is the comand to upgrade the system?
[03:53] <EagleScreen> from what version to what version?
[03:53] <Ratchet_the_fox> 8.10 to 9.04
[03:54] <EagleScreen> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[03:55] <katie> eaglescreen: okay, what I really need is to actually diagnose what's going on... my browsers are all freezing for about a minute when loading certain sites (most sites, though), turning javscript off doesn't help, and I didn't have this problem about a month ago... I accidentally put a Jaunty repository on my list about a month ago, which messed some things up... any chance that could have something to do with my browser issues?
[03:56] <EagleScreen> katie: can you identify that jaunty repository?
[03:57] <katie> eaglescreen: I've since deleted it... it's not there anymore
[03:58] <katie> eaglescreen: it might have been an intrepid repository, actually, i'm not sure
[03:58] <EagleScreen> katie: do you want to keep KDE 3.5?
[03:58] <katie> eaglescreen: as opposed to what? as long as I have kde and not gnome, I don't know enough about them to care
[03:59] <faileas> katie: KDE 4, which is a different beast from KDE3
[03:59] <Ratchet_the_fox> thank you guys :)
[04:00] <katie> it sounds fine to me, would anything else happen to my system if I got kde 4? would anything be deleted or changed?
[04:00] <EagleScreen> katie: if you fully upgrade to jaunty, you will change you current KDE by other KDE which is a few different
[04:00] <faileas> though
[04:01] <faileas> there's a KDE3 repo IIRC
[04:01] <katie> eaglescreen: would upgrading to jaunty likely fix my browser problem?
[04:01] <katie> or at least make it easier to fix?
[04:01] <EagleScreen> currently jaunty can gives you some problems, refreshing problems in KDE windows and X crashes if you have Intel graphics card
[04:02] <EagleScreen> katie: I cannot asure that upgrading to juanty will fix your problem
[04:03] <katie> eaglescreen: how serious are the crashes? how do I check my graphics card manufacturer? i've head it's best to wait for a LTS release... true?
[04:03] <EagleScreen> yes, may be
[04:03] <EagleScreen> check your VGA with 'lspci | grep VGA'
[04:04] <EagleScreen> katie: are your problems limited to flash websites?
[04:04] <katie> eagle: is my browser issue too general to diagnose? any way I can check whether or not it's flash? I do know also that something on my system is creating a bunch of zombie processes, but I don't know what it is...
[04:05] <EagleScreen> katie examine the commands 'top' and 'free -m'
[04:05] <EagleScreen> and good luck and good night, see you tomorrow
[04:06] <katie> hmm okay, thanks for your help (:
[04:19] <kde185> ok I was just installing a gnome program (along with what seems to be 20 gnome libs).  My computer had a hard crash and I had to reboot. Now the gnome programs I have (IE firefox, gvim, even vim) don't work.  Is there a way to simply reinstall all of those libs?
[04:20] <solid_liq> !ping
[04:20] <dwidmann> kde185: did the installation complete completely?
[04:20] <kde185> or perhaps make dpkg/apt go through and verify that everything is installed properly.
[04:20] <dwidmann> kde185: sudo dpkg --configure -a maybe
[04:20] <kde185> dwidmann: no, it had downloaded and was in the process of installing packages when the computer crashed
[04:21] <dwidmann> kde185: okay, sudo dpkg --configure -a **definitely**
[04:21] <kde185> dwidmann: I did that immediately after rebooting.  It appeared to finish installing things but now firefox, vim, gvim don't work
[04:22] <kde185> dwidmann: I then uninstalled gvim(unfortunately it didn't remove all of the dependencies that came with it) and tried reinstalling but it didn't fix the issue
[04:22] <solid_liq> !ping
[04:24] <kde185> ok I just thought, maybe it's because I'm using ext4
[04:24] <solid_liq> !ping
[04:24] <russlar> is it just me, or are the us update servers pegged right now?
[04:33] <faileas> !nozap
[04:33] <faileas> !no-zap
[04:33] <faileas> gah
[04:33] <russlar> 4 hours remaining... I'm leaving it running and going to bed
[04:33] <faileas> how do you allow control alterate backsapce again?
[04:34] <russlar> there's a setting in xorg.conf, somewhere.....
[04:34] <faileas> there's a command
[04:34] <faileas> i could have sworn i had run
[04:34] <russlar> yeah, I know what you mean
[04:34] <russlar> I know it's on kubuntuforums.net somewhere
[04:34] <talvik> log out option in the menu is shutting down my computer, is anyone experiecing this?
[04:35] <faileas> i can't switch windows ;p
[04:36] <p_quarles> faileas: can't switch windows how? what are you doing, and what aspect of it isn't working?
[04:37] <faileas> p_quarles: the taskbar totally glitched out
[04:37] <russlar> here's how to turn it on
[04:37] <russlar> add these 3 lines in xorg.conf:
[04:37] <p_quarles> faileas: have you restarted plasma?
[04:37] <russlar> Section "ServerFlags"
[04:37] <faileas> p_quarles: how?
[04:38] <russlar> Option "DontZap" "off"
[04:38] <russlar> EndSection
[04:38] <p_quarles> faileas: killall plasma && /usr/bin/plasma
[04:38] <faileas> p_quarles: didn't work
[04:38] <p_quarles> russlar / faileas : you can also simply run ~$ dontzap --disable
[04:39] <p_quarles> faileas: did it give you an error message?
[04:39] <faileas> bingo
[04:39] <faileas> p_quarles: no process killed
[04:39] <russlar> faileas: kquitapp plasma
[04:40] <faileas> dontzap 's not installed? o0
[04:40] <faileas> wierd, i coulda sworn i had run it
[04:40] <p_quarles> faileas: hmm; you either 1) mistyped something; 2) don't have a taskbar at all, or 3) are running KDE 3.5.x
[04:40] <astrobear> hmm, apt-get doesn't have word completion anymore, any idea what i need to install to get it?
[04:40] <astrobear> i must have uninstalled something
[04:40] <p_quarles> astrobear: apt-get install bash-completion
[04:40] <faileas> p_quarles: there's a.. sorta task bar
[04:41] <astrobear> p_quarles: "bash-completion is already the newest version."
[04:41] <russlar> there wouldn't happen to be tcsh completion for apt, would there :)
[04:42] <astrobear> russlar: heh
[04:42]  * astrobear is using bash
[04:43] <p_quarles> astrobear: you might try dpkg-reconfigure on it
[04:43] <russlar> tcsh ftw!
[04:43] <russlar> luddites of the world, unite!
[04:43] <p_quarles> faileas: well, don't know what to tell you; without more information, the best I can do is suggest logging out and back in
[04:44] <astrobear> p_quarles: :P
[04:44] <astrobear> wish i knew too
[04:46] <p_quarles> astrobear: if you want better tab-completion, though, you might take zsh for a test drive :)
[04:47] <astrobear> meh, i'm good :)
[04:47] <astrobear> i would use urxvt before trying anything else
[04:47] <astrobear> oh, right
[04:47] <astrobear> nm
[04:47] <astrobear> two diff thingies
[04:48] <astrobear> smtp and mysql have two of my ports open, anyway to figure out what process is using them?
[04:49] <russlar> ps
[04:49] <russlar> ps -ef | grep port ?
[04:49] <astrobear>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
[04:49] <astrobear> 11274 pts/2    00:00:00 bash
[04:49] <astrobear> 11348 pts/2    00:00:00 ps
[04:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> kubuntu used to have a real nice website.  now it's very generic
[04:49] <astrobear> ah
[04:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> what happened to it?  xubuntu even looks better
[04:50] <russlar> dunno
[04:50] <russlar> I kinda wish kubuntu wasn't treated as an almost seperate distro
[04:50] <astrobear> same here
[04:51] <astrobear> who knows, that may change as kde4 continues maturing?
[04:51] <astrobear> ps showed mysql process but not what was using it and i still don't know what has the smtp port open
[04:51] <astrobear> i don't even use smtp
[04:52] <lorecaster> while trying to run "sudo nvidia-settings" in my fresh install of 9.04, it tells me to run nvidia-xconfig as root to enable my xserver... but then it tells me "Sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found:
[04:52] <astrobear> ..to send mail
[04:52] <russlar> is sendmail running?
[04:52] <agoole> hey all, does anyone else have trouble with their sound in flash in 9.04 ?
[04:54] <astrobear> i don't see sendmail in top, but i see chipcardd4, which seems to not want to go away after being killed
[04:54] <russlar> sudo kill -NUKE-FROM-ORBIT chipcardd4
[04:55] <astrobear> russlar: :)
[04:55] <astrobear> i would kind of like to live
[04:55] <russlar> hehe
[04:55] <joshjtl> can anyone tell me how to use the Activy Bar plasma widget?
[04:55] <russlar> that's what a ~/.bashrc is for
[04:56] <russlar> or, a ~.cshrc
[04:56] <agoole> does anyone have trouble with flash ?
[04:56] <agoole> I dont hear any sound on mine
[04:56] <russlar> not yet
[04:56] <david_k-cfd> I am having trouble with flash
[04:56] <russlar> I'll let you know in 21 days ;)
[04:56] <lorecaster> i don't know yet... but statistically i will :P
[04:56] <david_k-cfd> I was actually about to try with another browser
[04:57] <david_k-cfd> with Opera, the flash didn't work
[04:57] <russlar> what about FF?
[04:57] <russlar> or konqueror?
[04:57] <agoole> I installed the adobe tarball, but I can't hear sound, with FF
[04:57] <lorecaster> i use ff
[04:57] <david_k-cfd> let me try ff
[04:57] <lorecaster> mine works flawlessly out of the box, so to speak.
[04:57] <russlar> agoole: flash is in the repos, get it with aptitude or whatever gui pkg manager we're using now...
[04:57] <lorecaster> just did my 490 freaking updates with the base install... lol, reminds me of my windows days
[04:58] <agoole> russlar: I tried taht one as well, sound still didn't work
[04:58] <russlar> does the sound work in other apps?
[04:58] <agoole> yes
[04:58] <russlar> huh
[04:58] <agoole> I can play java games
[04:58] <lorecaster> when i first installed ubuntu 9.04, i had to go into my BIOS and disable my onboard sound for it to work in some and not other apps
[04:59] <agoole> the sounds from kopete works
[04:59] <lorecaster> even some file formats would not play, while others would. turned off onboard sound, and everything has been cherry since
[04:59] <agoole> lorecaster: turning it off fixed all your problems ?
[04:59] <lorecaster> LOL, nothing will ever fix all my problems... but it fixed my sound-not-playing ones
[05:00] <agoole> hahaha
[05:00] <agoole> i meant sound wise
[05:00] <lorecaster> winning the loto and ascending into a being of pure energy wouldn't fix all my problems :P
[05:00] <agoole> so I guess i should reboot
[05:00] <lorecaster> but yeah, that helped me 110%... that and restricted-media-extras or whatever it's called
[05:00] <agoole> but I dont understand
[05:01] <agoole> i mean, if my sound works in all my other apps, why not flash plugin
[05:01] <agoole> christ
[05:01] <lorecaster> reboot, go into your bios settings... if you have an sound card that's internal and not onboard. bios is not something you should play with to gain experience... that can be bad.
[05:01] <lorecaster> careful your tongue... please. this is a family-friendly forum.
[05:01] <mase_work> agoole: its the downside of proprietary software.
[05:01] <agoole> sorry,
[05:01] <agoole> my apologies
[05:01] <lorecaster> i've been told off a bunch of times :P
[05:01] <mase_work> lorecaster:  christ is a naughty word ?
[05:01] <lorecaster> i'm not even christian, but it's a word to the word.
[05:01] <lorecaster> it can be to some ears...
[05:01] <agoole> I shouldn't of said it,
[05:01] <mase_work> i thought it was a name
[05:01] <agoole> its been a long day
[05:02] <lorecaster> it happens :D just being cautionary. try the bios fix, may not even be your problem.
[05:02] <agoole> ok let me reboot, and disable onboard sound, I dont need it anyways i have a card
[05:02] <agoole> ok
[05:02] <lorecaster> anyone know how to fix my nvidia problem?
[05:03] <lorecaster> while trying to run "sudo nvidia-settings" in my fresh install of 9.04, it tells me to run nvidia-xconfig as root to enable my xserver... but then it tells me "Sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found"
[05:03] <russlar> what does sudo find / -name nvidia-xconfig
[05:03] <russlar> say?
[05:03] <lorecaster> running it now
[05:04] <ryan-c> So.  I'm running hardy right now.  SHould I upgrade to ibex then jaunty or can i safely go hardy->jaunty?
[05:04] <russlar> don't know
[05:04] <lorecaster> russlar: said nothing, just gave me a new command line after about 7 unburdened seconds
[05:04] <russlar> looks like it's not installed
[05:05] <lorecaster> so i should apt-get it?
[05:05] <lorecaster> "sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
[05:05] <russlar> or aptitude, yes
[05:05] <russlar> !aptitude
[05:07] <lorecaster> e: Couldn't find package nvidia-xconfig
[05:07] <lorecaster> am i spelling it wrong?!
[05:07] <agoole> hello room
[05:07] <lorecaster> blessings agoole
[05:07] <agoole> dear irc gods: I will never doubt ye again
[05:07] <agoole> lorecaster: the bios sound fixed it.
[05:07] <lorecaster> COOL!! :D
[05:07] <agoole> also, it fixed the choppyness
[05:07] <agoole> I thought it was alsa before, but now its all better
[05:07] <lorecaster> BTW... i'm a newbie, been working with linux for 3 weeks, we were just lucky to have faced the same problem.
[05:08] <lorecaster> kudos.
[05:08] <agoole> yeah, i didn't think it was a problem as it all worked in ibex.
[05:08] <agoole> its weird that with an update its now dependent on the bios
[05:09] <lorecaster> who knows... but i'm happy for you. now pass on the knowledge bistowed upon you this day. :D
[05:09] <agoole> also, any of you use the weather widget for the desktop ?
[05:09] <agoole> hahaha, i will,
[05:09] <lorecaster> i did for my previous install... it was painless for me. lemme try to get it again
[05:09] <agoole> I'm not a newbie, i should of figured this out
[05:09] <lorecaster> right click top panel, add to panel, find and install?
[05:09] <lorecaster> that's all i did.
[05:09] <agoole> yes
[05:10] <agoole> all my info is correct, except for the graphic
[05:10] <agoole> mine is showing a sun
[05:10] <mase_work> agoole: what problem were you having ?
[05:10] <agoole> but its defenitly not sunyn
[05:10] <agoole> mase_work: oh, the sound was crappy, and didn't work in flash at all,
[05:10] <agoole> mase_work: disabling the bios sound fixed it
[05:10] <lorecaster> -beams-
[05:11] <mase_work> agoole:and only flash had the problem ?
[05:11] <agoole> yes, mostly,
[05:11] <agoole> there was some choppyness in the sound overall
[05:11] <agoole> and my sound didn't work at first, I had to reinstall the sound core packages
[05:12] <mase_work> do you happen to know what kind of sounnd card/ chipset you have ?
[05:12] <agoole> yes, its a soundblaster live, but let me get you specifics
[05:13] <lorecaster> i tried doing sudo aptitude install nvidia-xconfig
[05:13] <lorecaster> and then it said "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-xconfig""
[05:13] <russlar> look it up in a gui pkg manager then
[05:13] <agoole> mase_work: 02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X
[05:14] <astrobear> is there a way to just close the port and whatever is using it?
[05:14] <lorecaster> russlar i see dozens of names...
[05:14] <russlar> pick one
[05:15] <agoole> lorecaster: what are you trying to do ?
[05:15] <mase_work> agoole:  cool thanks.
[05:15] <agoole> the sound still isn't perfect
[05:16] <agoole> I can hear scratching sometimes
[05:16] <lorecaster> i wanted to get my dual monitors working again, but sudo nvidia-settings tells me i need to run sudo nvidia-xconfig, but it's not installed. apt-get and aptitide says it's not installed... so now i'm in synaptic and i don't know what i need to install.
[05:16] <agoole> lol
[05:16] <agoole> nvidia-xconfig should be there ?
[05:17] <agoole> type it in
[05:17] <agoole> without the sudo
[05:17] <lorecaster> in terminal or synaptic? syn has 40 entries
[05:18] <agoole> in terminal
[05:18] <agoole> just type, nv, and touble tap the tab button,
[05:18] <agoole> it should auto complete to all the entries you have
[05:18] <agoole> starting with nv
[05:19] <JB_> is anyone having probs with gnome wireless in 9.04 but work okay in KDE
[05:19] <lorecaster> wonderufl :) says to install nvidia-glx-180 doing so now
[05:20] <agoole> lorecaster: is that compatible with your graphics card ?
[05:20] <lorecaster> yepyep, i knew that one already. didn't know to install it.
[05:20] <agoole> oh haha
[05:20] <lorecaster> that, and my downlaod rates from installers have been garbage. 10kb, 5kb, and fluxuationg wildly...
[05:21] <lorecaster> downloads from anything else but ubuntu sources have been steller
[05:21] <agoole> thats because today is a big day
[05:21] <lorecaster> must be the hundred-million people downloading stuff :P
[05:21] <agoole> everyone is updating
[05:21] <lorecaster> yeah
[05:21] <agoole> its normal
[05:21] <lorecaster> took 7 hours to get the 490 updates
[05:21] <lorecaster> i figured they'd be packaged with the base-installer
[05:21] <agoole> I just needed my computer to be working before the weekend, so I decided to do it tonight
[05:21] <agoole> a lot of things weren't packaged,
[05:22] <lorecaster> Goddess teaches patience, and thank Her for that! :D been working on this for 14 hours
[05:22] <agoole> i copied everything i needed from my old install....except for one thing.
[05:23] <agoole> i forgot my bookmarks :S
[05:23] <lorecaster> LMAO! me too
[05:23] <lorecaster> I have two partitions... 1.2 terabytes for storage, and 100gb for my install filesystem
[05:23] <agoole> I lost all my links to articles about encryption and mysql hints and all
[05:23] <agoole> nice ncie
[05:23] <agoole> i have a 500gb external,
[05:24] <lorecaster> my externals keep dying... but this seems a little offtopic :P
[05:24] <agoole> and a 80gb for my computer,
[05:24] <agoole> haha
[05:24] <lorecaster> shame on an experienced user like yourself. i have an excuse!
[05:24] <mase_work> hey guys, could someone who is running jaunty please tell me which version of the intel graphics driver is currently in the repository / installed
[05:24] <agoole> mase_work: what do you mean ?
[05:25] <agoole> which package do you want to check ?
[05:25] <mase_work> agoole: it's called xorg-video-intel i think
[05:25] <mase_work> i just need the major and minor version number
[05:25] <mase_work> so not the ubuntu specific one but the intel version no
[05:26] <lorecaster> agoole : VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[05:26] <agoole> ok gimme a sec
[05:26] <agoole> lorecaster: be right with you, gimme a min
[05:26] <lorecaster> thanks
[05:26] <david_k-cfd> HEEEELLLLLPPP!!!! FLash is not working, I uninstall it and install it again from the repos and no luck
[05:27] <david_k-cfd> would it make any difference if I try it manual?
[05:27] <mase_work> agoole: if its too much of a hassle then i can just trawl the packages manually
[05:27] <agoole> mase_work: it says its version 2.6.3
[05:28] <mase_work> agoole: awesome thanks
[05:28] <agoole> david_k-cfd: install it from the adobe website after removing the repo package
[05:28] <agoole> lorecaster: ok so what happend ?
[05:28] <lorecaster> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[05:28] <david_k-cfd> ageele: thanks....ok, will do that
[05:28] <cweagans> anybody know how to create an ad-hoc wireless network in 9.04?
[05:28] <luis_> Hi. I'm downloading the upgrade to 9.04 and it's coming quite slow. Any suggestion to speed it up? Maybe changing repos?
[05:28] <agoole> lorecaster: and this is after you installed those drivers eh ?
[05:29] <lorecaster> yep
[05:29] <MushroomKingdom> I cant compile gettext on 9.04
[05:29] <agoole> luis_: can't, its just a busy day for the servers, just have to wait
[05:29] <agoole> lorecaster: uninstall those drivers, clearly they weren't the proper ones
[05:29] <lorecaster> instruct me/ :$
[05:29] <agoole> or gimme a sec
[05:29] <agoole> haha
[05:29] <david_k-cfd> agoole: is version 10 ok for flash? well, it is the only one, isn't it?
[05:30] <cweagans> luls_: you could download the install disk via Bit Torrent. Doesn't help much if you are just upgrading, but I got my disk in like 25 minutes =P
[05:30] <agoole> david_k-cfd: yeah, tahts the latest version
[05:30] <agoole> lorecaster: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:30] <agoole> lorecaster: type that, it might fix it
[05:30] <neptunepink> The installer still fails, as usual.
[05:30] <lorecaster> done
[05:30] <MushroomKingdom> Hi, this is my 4th hour of using linux and I am lost
[05:30] <Riesh> still impossible to make a static IP wireless connection with network-manager ... :-( ...
[05:31] <agoole> lorecaster: ok, now type , sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx
[05:31] <lorecaster> agoola: xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090424020041
[05:31] <agoole> lorecaster: thats ok
[05:31] <lorecaster> sudo: /etc/init.d/kdm: command not found
[05:31] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: whats wrong ?
[05:31] <MushroomKingdom> im compiling things and installing things but I honestly have no idea what the hell I'm doing. I want firefox to work and I want irssi to work but I don't have glib installed, and then I need gettext, but gettext wont compile
[05:32] <agoole> lorecaster: are you running kde ?
[05:32] <lorecaster> gnome
[05:32] <agoole> lorecaster: oh jeesh, my bad,
[05:32] <agoole> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:32] <faileas> MushroomKingdom: why not use the packages?
[05:32] <lorecaster> gnome was the default for the install... didn't even decide
[05:32] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: just use the packages...
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> packages
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> where do I get these
[05:33] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: what version are you using right now ?
[05:33] <faileas> lorecaster: if you got the ubuntu disk, yes. You can always install kubuntu-desktop
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> 9.04
[05:33] <agoole> ok
[05:33] <agoole> open a terminal MushroomKingdom
[05:33] <agoole> have you used a terminal before ?
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> sorry this is my first time using linux. It meant to be a dual boot but i fucked up
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> yes, i was using it to comile things.
[05:34] <agoole> haha s'ok, don't worry
[05:34] <agoole> did you erase your other partition
[05:34] <agoole> ?
[05:34] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[05:34] <agoole> no no, I was asking
[05:34] <MushroomKingdom> i pretty much put the disk in, forgot to partition
[05:34] <agoole> ok
[05:34] <agoole> so you don't konw
[05:34] <MushroomKingdom> :P yep
[05:34] <agoole> lets see
[05:35] <agoole> open up a terminal
[05:35] <agoole> do you have one open ?
[05:35] <MushroomKingdom> ah well, it looks like can access all my files off my external drives fine so no biggie
[05:35] <MushroomKingdom> ok open
[05:35] <agoole> type this:
[05:35] <agoole> sudo apt-get install firefox irssi
[05:35] <agoole> that should install your packages, without compiling
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> :O
[05:36] <agoole> they're precompiled for most ubuntu systems
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> awesome
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> :D my savior
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> here I am trying to find all the files I need lols
[05:36] <agoole> if you want to look for a package, you can type: sudo aptitude search blahblabhah
[05:36] <agoole> that will return any packages with that keyword
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> oo ok
[05:36] <agoole> then you just install it
[05:37] <MushroomKingdom> :D I can't believe its that easy
[05:37] <agoole> what was the other package you wanted ? gettext ?
[05:37] <david_k-cfd> agoole, it works now, thanks a lot
[05:37] <agoole> david_k-cfd: no problem :)
[05:37] <MushroomKingdom> yeah i have the source files
[05:37] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: did you check and see if there was a package already ?
[05:37] <MushroomKingdom> i will in a sec
[05:38] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: ok, I just checked, its in the repositories, so you should install the package
[05:38] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: and not the source
[05:38] <MushroomKingdom> excellent
[05:38] <agoole> its always better to try the package first, and not the source
[05:38] <MushroomKingdom> ok :)
[05:39] <MushroomKingdom> I wrote down what you said for future reference
[05:39] <agoole> i love being online at 1.30am, thats when people need the most help, haha
[05:39] <russlar> hooray bleary eyed!
[05:39] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: eventually, you will have typed it so often you'll just remember
[05:39] <MushroomKingdom> thats odd.. I cant install it
[05:39] <agoole> haha hooray bleary eyeed!
[05:40] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: can't install what ? gettext ?
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> yeah
[05:40] <agoole> oh
[05:40] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: ps -ef | grep apt
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:40] <agoole> you're problably installing something else at the same time
[05:40] <agoole> you
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> ohhhh
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> im still getting irssi
[05:41] <agoole> you'll have to wait, you can only install once per session
[05:41] <agoole> exactly,
[05:41] <lorecaster> i wish i knew it was a reboot command :P it froze when it tested battery
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> thats why. alright
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> :D thank you so much
[05:41] <agoole> had I known you wanted gettext, i would of appended it to your list
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> :P
[05:41] <agoole> lorecaster: hahaha, we were still trying to help you, after you disapeared
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> ummmmm ok so then i can delete all of the source files i downloaded?
[05:41] <lorecaster> you gave me a reboot command, silly
[05:41] <ash26x> hey gang, i'm thining about trying KDE, haven't used it in years
[05:42] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: yes, delete those
[05:42] <agoole> lorecaster: a reboot command ?
[05:42] <ash26x> does the kubuntu release use the new notifications system in 9.04?
[05:42] <faileas> MushroomKingdom: yes
[05:42] <lorecaster> whatever it was you gave me last, set my computer into a reset and i couldn't get out of it
[05:42] <russlar> ash26x: you mean the Gnome ones from Ubuntu?
[05:42] <agoole> lorecaster: oh weird, s'ok,
[05:42] <MushroomKingdom> ok, sweet thank you
[05:42] <lorecaster> xconfig still fails
[05:42] <Hirato> hai, I'm curious as to why half of my KDE isntallation wants to just dissapear when I try to uninstall libpulse0
[05:43] <lorecaster> will be back and forth, boiling some snacks :P rockin ramen
[05:43] <ash26x> right, the ubuntu gnome has a notification system
[05:43] <russlar> ash26x: KDE4.2 has it's own notification system, which is very very similar to the new ubuntu one
[05:43] <ash26x> is that gnome specific
[05:43] <agoole> Hirato: its a dependency ??
[05:43] <ash26x> or is it also in klubuntu
[05:43] <ash26x> ohhh
[05:43] <Hirato> agoole well it's causing sound device lockig problems for me :p
[05:43] <ash26x> so it's gnome specific, but KDE has their own bag
[05:43] <ash26x> gotcha
[05:43] <russlar> ash26x: From what I've seen, the new gnome one looks just like growl for mac
[05:44] <russlar> the KDE one is much more functional
[05:44] <agoole> Hirato: hum....describe your sound problems ?
[05:44] <ash26x> i don't mind that
[05:44] <MushroomKingdom> cause i was trying to install glib, gettext, expat, and ncurses because the source files told me it was needed
[05:44] <russlar> notifications can be stacked
[05:44] <agoole> Hirato: do you have onboard sound ? I had to disable mine from the bios to fix my problems
[05:44] <ash26x> i'mma just give the live disk a try
[05:44] <russlar> yes
[05:44] <Hirato> agoole I can no longer have amarok running side by side with another app taht uses say, libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[05:44] <lorecaster> so... agoole... ideas?
[05:45] <Hirato> (and them both having sound that is)
[05:45] <agoole> lorecaster: what kind of card do you have ?
[05:45] <lorecaster> nvidia 8600
[05:45] <agoole> Hirato: do you have onboard sound ? try disabling it
[05:45] <agoole> lorecaster: huh, nice card,
[05:45] <agoole> lorecaster: let me check the documentation
[05:45] <lorecaster> wanna upgrade. i also wanna get a third monitor... a 22" :D
[05:46] <Hirato> agoole, that's beside the point, I manually deleted all the fiels the lib installed, and it solved all ym sound woes, so why's it a dependency?
[05:46] <Hirato> why can't I uninstall it? why did I have to uninstall it's files manually?
[05:46] <agoole> Hirato: you shouldn't delete those files manually...
[05:46] <agoole> Hirato: its bad news for dependencies
[05:47] <agoole> Hirato: whats the file you want to delete again ?
[05:47] <russlar> Hirato: sudo aptitude autoclean
[05:47] <Hirato> it's a lib, libpulse0
[05:47] <russlar> don't delete that
[05:47] <agoole> lorecaster: ok, are you around ?
[05:48] <agoole> lorecaster: going to try something with you, because your card is so new,
[05:48] <Hirato> why not? it's only causing problems for me
[05:48] <agoole> Hirato: that doesn't mean that it will fix anything
[05:48] <lorecaster> coolies
[05:48] <Hirato> but manually deleting the confs and shared objects it placed about did fix'fix' ym problem
[05:49] <MushroomKingdom> :/ heh its gonna take me a bit to get used to this single click business
[05:49] <MushroomKingdom> is there a way to change that?
[05:49] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: system settings, then keyboard and mouse
[05:49] <agoole> lorecaster: ready ?
[05:49] <MushroomKingdom> ah, thank you
[05:50] <lorecaster> been ready for ages ;)
[05:50] <lorecaster> i was BORN ready
[05:50] <agoole> lorecaster: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential gcc gcc-3.4 xserver-xorg-dev
[05:50] <raylu> MushroomKingdom: also, avoid the mouse and you won't have to "click" :P
[05:50] <agoole> lorecaster: sry, was giving you a chance to make some ramen, haha
[05:50] <Hirato> so I want to know why it's a dependency that'll take half of KDE with it, while I don't need it - or want it
[05:50] <raylu> agoole: you won't need gcc, and why 3.4?
[05:50] <lorecaster> already slupin
[05:50] <lorecaster> slurpin
[05:50] <agoole> raylu: I dont know, i'm simply following the procedure online for getting his 8600 to work,
[05:50] <MushroomKingdom> :P 4th hour of linux im still attached to things
[05:51] <agoole> raylu: do you ahve a better method ?
[05:51] <agoole> Hirato: remove it and you will most likely break your install
[05:51] <raylu> agoole: geforce 8600? doesn't that work out of the box with nvidia-glx?
[05:52] <lorecaster> it did last time :S
[05:52] <agoole> I thought it just crashed ?
[05:52] <agoole> didn't you just install the glx drivers ?
[05:52] <MushroomKingdom> Uh, I use a xbox 360 as a joypad, will Kubuntu recognise it?
[05:52] <lorecaster> yeah, thought it was the 180 drivers...
[05:52] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: haha, it'll take some tweaking, but I think so
[05:53] <agoole> lorecaster: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:53] <raylu> agoole, lorecaster: crashed = system unresponsive or X11 crashed?
[05:53] <MushroomKingdom> agoole: thats fine, I dont mind tweaking as long as I dont need to buy something new :D
[05:53] <lorecaster> as in ... when it was testing system battery, it hung for about 8-10 minutes
[05:53] <agoole> raylu: his X won't load, creates an incomplete xorg.conf
[05:53] <raylu> agoole: with X -configure?
[05:54] <agoole> raylu: we tried, and still didn't start, according to him
[05:54] <lorecaster> says i need to install one of the GLX files... 96, 71, 180 or 173
[05:54] <MushroomKingdom> brb
[05:54] <raylu> agoole: er, no, that was a question
[05:54] <Hirato> but I did delete libpulse0's files without any ill effects, heck it solved my issue as I mentioned, games that use the alsa build of libsdl have sound, amarok has sound, even vlc has sound - all at the same time, which I couldn't do before with libpulse0's files in tact as they were before
[05:54] <raylu> agoole: you said that it "creates" an incomplete xorg.conf. X doesn't by itself that I know of
[05:55] <agoole> raylu: now, but he tried installing drivers, and then broke his xorg.conf file i think
[05:55] <lorecaster> lol, leave it to me
[05:56] <bendodge> are the upgrade servers swamped?
[05:56] <agoole> bendodge: yes. haha
[05:56] <raylu> agoole, lorecaster: i'd generate another one with X -configure
[05:56] <Hirato> so I still don't know why the KDE packages are as dependant on ti as they are
[05:56] <raylu> agoole, lorecaster: and then use nvidia-xconfig
[05:57] <russlar> bendodge: you're able to specify one
[05:57] <agoole> raylu: nvidia-xconfig said to install those drivers, which broke his xorg.conf
[05:57] <agoole> raylu: unless i'm mistaken
[05:57] <bendodge> russiar: idk, i'm using the GUI upgrader since apt-get dist-upgrade was acting just like apt-get upgrade
[05:57] <raylu> nvidia-xconfig merely looks at your existing xorg.conf and generates a new one that should load it
[05:58] <MushroomKingdom> :/ I cannot find the irssi I just installed
[05:58] <lorecaster> Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0
[05:58] <raylu> bendodge: try aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:58] <raylu> MushroomKingdom: it's a cli app
[05:58] <MushroomKingdom> what does that mean?
[05:58] <raylu> lorecaster: right... you have to kill X first
[05:58] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: run it from command line
[05:58] <raylu> MushroomKingdom: cli = command line interface. open up konsole and type irssi
[05:58] <MushroomKingdom> ohhh
[05:59] <lorecaster> how do i? :$
[05:59] <johnricher> Hi all... I have an HP dv8000 notebook and cannot get wireless working.... any direction?
[05:59] <MushroomKingdom> is there a way to have like an icon for it?
[05:59] <lorecaster> clear
[05:59] <agoole> lorecaster: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:59] <lorecaster> oops, nm
[05:59] <bendodge> raylu: is there any point to starting over?
[05:59] <raylu> lorecaster: exit everything first. ctrl+alt+f1, killall kdm
[05:59] <raylu> bendodge: starting what over?
[05:59] <raylu> bendodge: oh, you're already using the gui app; i guess not
[05:59] <bendodge> the upgrade
[05:59] <bendodge> kk
[05:59] <raylu> lorecaster: actually, what agoole said is better
[05:59] <agoole> lorecaster: you're using gnome right ?
[06:00] <raylu> except invoke-rc.d is preferred over /etc/init.d
[06:00] <Hirato> what's wrong with sudo pkill gdm?
[06:00] <agoole> Hirato: its better to stop than to kill, if you don't have to
[06:01] <Hirato> oh well, I suppose it's easier to issue a start than a init 1 :D
[06:01] <agoole> raylu: lorecaster just got rebooted again, haha
[06:02] <bendodge> anyone who's upgraded know if the Kickoff keyboard focus bugfix is live?
[06:02] <Hirato> I'm gonig to enjoy my sound nirvana now (till there's a patch for libpulse0...), see ya
[06:03] <raylu> how do i get transparency in konsole?
[06:03] <lorecaster> i had NO idea where i just was when i hit crtl + alt + f1... but i didn't know i'd go away from this window and lost that code... i couldn't even get out of it, so i rebooted... when i got back, i got into my nvidia x-server settings fine :|
[06:03] <agoole> lorecaster: so you're ok ?
[06:04] <lorecaster> uhh... seems that way?
[06:04] <agoole> raylu: transparancy with what ? just he window ?
[06:04] <russlar> lorecaster: that was TTY1
[06:04] <agoole> lorecaster: i think you're back to your original settings,
[06:04] <lorecaster> i thought it said "talk to you later" ... i'm so green
[06:04] <faileas> lol
[06:04] <agoole> hahaha
[06:04] <luce> 测试
[06:04] <russlar> It's not green
[06:04] <agoole> you can have multiple sessions, all code
[06:04] <agoole> explore a bit
[06:04] <lorecaster> i'd get offended... but i'm laughing too
[06:04] <faileas> 'code' ?
[06:04] <bendodge> raylu: i think you'd have to set it custom in a compositor plugin
[06:05] <agoole> use ctrl alt f1, then do that with f7 to come back to X
[06:05] <russlar> faileas: CLI session
[06:05] <lorecaster> f7, duely noted.
[06:05] <faileas> lorecaster: its called a virtual terminal. generally the one that your x session runs in is the 7th one.
[06:05] <agoole> lorecaster: your 'graphics' are on f7,
[06:05] <lorecaster> aff
[06:05] <agoole> lorecaster: but if you need to, you can use f1 to f6 and what not to use
[06:06] <bendodge> raylu: idk about kde4's new compositor, but Compiz Fusion could specify transparency settings for individual windows
[06:06] <raylu> bendodge: i don't intend to install compiz since xmonad is my window manager
[06:06] <lorecaster> *ahh... neat. I promise, I will learn in time. :D i remember in 8.10 i could ctrl + alt + bkspc and boot to a login screen to reboot my servers... what do i do here? that doesn't work
[06:06] <agoole> raylu: can't you right click on the window, and select window behavior ? and simply enable it from there ?
[06:06] <bendodge> raylu: oops :P
[06:07] <agoole> crtl alt backspace eh ?
[06:07] <lorecaster> it worked in 8.1
[06:07] <raylu> agoole: what? konsole?
[06:07] <agoole> raylu: you want to set transparency for the konsole window I though
[06:08] <raylu> agoole: yes. i don't have "window behavior." i have effects off, by the way
[06:08] <p_quarles> lorecaster: sudo dontzap --disable if you want to bring it back; that key-combo was blocked by default in 9.04
[06:08] <agoole> lorecaster: alt ctrl backspace was disabled by X i think
[06:08] <ash26x> the
[06:09] <ash26x> wow, auto replace is sweet
[06:09] <lorecaster> coolies. i happen to like it :D prevents a full system reboot like M$
[06:09] <MushroomKingdom> hmmmm apparently I cant have transparent backgrounds they arent supported
[06:09] <bendodge> lorecaster: you can also log off and restart X from the menu
[06:09] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: you can
[06:09] <russlar> it's just a universal setting
[06:09] <lorecaster> that's what i've ended up doing :P
[06:09] <agoole> raylu: yeah, I dont know how to help you without window effectst
[06:09] <MushroomKingdom> it tells me my browser isnt supporting it
[06:09] <russlar> active windows/inactive windows/moving pictures
[06:09] <russlar> huh?
[06:11] <MushroomKingdom> I can't have transparent backgrounds it's telling me
[06:11] <agoole> hum... a fresh install and firefox doesn't die normally...weird
[06:12] <russlar> agoole: firefox has been replaced with zombiefox for jaunty
[06:12] <russlar> you didn't get the memo?
[06:12] <agoole> lol zombiefox ?
[06:12] <russlar> or undeadfox
[06:12] <agoole> which one are you using ?
[06:13] <russlar> I've seen it happen when you install FF from their website, instead of from the repos
[06:13] <MushroomKingdom> o.O how do I quickly look for folders, in the console?
[06:13] <agoole> i used the repo
[06:13] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: what are you looking for ?
[06:13] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: use ls
[06:13] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: find
[06:13] <MushroomKingdom> ls?
[06:13] <agoole> it will list all
[06:13] <russlar> !find
[06:13] <raylu> agoole: ok, i turned them on; i don't think it made a difference, though
[06:13] <MushroomKingdom> im looking for an irssi folder to put my theme in it
[06:14] <agoole> raylu: you should be able to enable transparency there
[06:14] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: ls will list, find will search wherever you tell it
[06:14] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: do this: sudo find / -name irssi
[06:14] <MushroomKingdom> ok thank you
[06:15] <agoole> and the directory you're looking for is in ~/.irssi/
[06:15] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: what that does is find at / (slash) where name is irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/share/menu/irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/share/doc/irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/share/irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/bin/irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/lib/irssi
[06:16] <agoole> no no no
[06:16] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: you're folder is in ~/.irssi/
[06:16] <russlar> agoole: unless it doesn;t exist yet
[06:16] <MushroomKingdom> found it :D
[06:16] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: those up above are all the package and binary folders
[06:17] <raylu> agoole: yeah, i'm pretty sure xmonad makes it so that i don't have transparency
[06:17] <agoole> raylu: let me look it up
[06:17] <russlar> raylu: you aren't using kwin?
[06:18] <raylu> russlar: nope.
[06:18] <MushroomKingdom> o.O i cant move things into the folder
[06:19] <agoole> raylu: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions#How_do_I_use_compositing_with_xmonad.3F
[06:19] <agoole> raylu: it says you can use transparency
[06:19] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: which folder ?
[06:19] <MushroomKingdom> into the themes folder
[06:20] <agoole> which folder specifically are you trying to copy to ?
[06:20] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/share/irssi/themes
[06:20] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: I dont think tahts the proper folder...
[06:20] <agoole> i looked it up online
[06:20] <agoole> the folder is in your home directory
[06:20] <MushroomKingdom> i cannot find the ~/.irssi/ folder
[06:20] <MushroomKingdom> home.. k
[06:21] <MushroomKingdom> i dont see it in the home dir
[06:21] <agoole> the tilda (~) just means in your home directory
[06:21] <agoole> and the dot means its hidden
[06:21] <MushroomKingdom> ah
[06:21] <agoole> make sure you can view hidden files
[06:21] <agoole> open up a terminal
[06:21] <agoole> and lets check if its there
[06:22] <MushroomKingdom> k
[06:22] <lorecaster> #vbox
[06:22] <agoole> in the terminal,type irssi
[06:22] <agoole> so that at least we'll run it once
[06:22] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[06:22] <agoole> then exit, by typing /exit
[06:22] <MushroomKingdom> kk
[06:22] <agoole> then, lets move to the folder, so : cd ~/.irssi/
[06:23] <MushroomKingdom> ooo
[06:23] <agoole> did that work ?
[06:23] <MushroomKingdom> yes
[06:23] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: then it does exist,
[06:23] <MushroomKingdom> :D ok
[06:23] <agoole> so where is this theme ?
[06:23] <agoole> where did you download it ?
[06:23] <MushroomKingdom> in my documents
[06:23] <agoole> ok,
[06:23] <agoole> so
[06:23] <agoole> lets move it to your irssi folder
[06:24] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[06:24] <agoole> mv /home/username/documents/theme ~/.irssi/
[06:24] <agoole> or you can move it with dolphin.
[06:25] <MushroomKingdom> how do I see invisible folders in dolphin?
[06:25] <agoole> the shortcut key is alt+,
[06:25] <agoole> i think
[06:25] <agoole> or go into the menu
[06:25] <agoole> in view, select the view hidden files
[06:26] <agoole> the shortcut is actually alt+.
[06:26] <MushroomKingdom> ah ok thank you
[06:26] <agoole> now
[06:26] <agoole> in irssi
[06:26] <agoole> you have to set the theme, don't forget
[06:26] <raylu> agoole: well, konsole thinks i can, but i still don't see transparency
[06:27] <MushroomKingdom> yep :D ty
[06:27] <russlar> MIT's giant internet pipe FTW!
[06:27] <agoole> raylu: well I tried, lol, I dont know anything about that layout manager
[06:27] <MushroomKingdom> ok, trying it now
[06:27] <agoole> i'm using irssi right now
[06:28] <agoole> anyone using the current weather widget ?
[06:29] <MushroomKingdom> brb
[06:29] <lavallee> wewt it works
[06:30] <MushroomKingdom> now I just have to get the transparent window working
[06:35] <mphilpot> Under "Add Widgets" -> "Install from file" why is superkaramba (.skz) no longer listed?
[06:35] <mphilpot> It was in 08.10
[06:36] <agoole> mphilpot: i don't think they have ported to jaunty yet
[06:36] <mphilpot> Ahh... so an update later?
[06:36] <agoole> mphilpot: probably,
[06:36] <chx> hi. i am trying to upgrade to jaunty , but first, intrepid, aptitude dist-upgrade suggests http://ubuntu.privatepaste.com/9cCwLeQg6x this
[06:36] <agoole> mphilpot: but you can still look for widgets
[06:36] <chx> and i do not like kubuntu-desktop being removed, not at all.
[06:36] <MushroomKingdom> Uh, is there something I should install for transparency?
[06:37] <mphilpot> right... the one I wanted (Oxygen system monitor) is only a .skz files
[06:37] <mphilpot> I'll try again after the first round of updates
[06:37] <agoole> chx: are you following the instructions online ?
[06:37] <mphilpot> Thanks though!
[06:37] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: what do you mean ?
[06:38] <MushroomKingdom> agoole: I would like to have a transparent konsole
[06:38] <MushroomKingdom> rather than the black
[06:38] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: sure, right click on the window
[06:38] <chx> agoole: i just search-replaced hardy to intreprid in apt.sources, ran aptitude update and tehn aptitude dist-upgrade. Pretty usual. But, i gues the KDE4 transition causes some gimmicks and I am not sure whether the removal of kdebase-kio-plugins leaves a functional system...
[06:39] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[06:39] <agoole> chx: let me look up some instructions
[06:39] <agoole> chx: you have hardy ? or intrepid ?
[06:39] <chx> hardy.
[06:39] <chx> want to go jaunty.
[06:39] <chx> but from what i read, the road goes through intreprid.
[06:39] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: right click on the window bar, and click window behavior, enable effects, and go from there
[06:40] <doleyb> chx: yeah you don't need kdebase-kio-plugins for 9.04
[06:40] <chx> I think I will go to sleep
[06:40] <chx> and let it download.
[06:40] <agoole> chx: haha, good idea,
[06:41] <agoole> chx: but yeah, you are doing the right thing
[06:41] <agoole> chx: just use adept manager
[06:41] <agoole> and it will guide you
[06:41] <chx> it wants to download 973MB in 1005 packages.
[06:41] <agoole> s'ok, because theres the new kde with it,
[06:41] <agoole> you're going from kde3 to kde4
[06:41] <chx> hm, 2mbyte/s says 8min.
[06:41] <Surlent777> hi, I'm using standard Ubuntu here, 8.10, wanting to upgrade to 9.04, but I love Amarok 1.4, and hate Amarok 2. If I go into Synaptic and tell it to force the version of Amarok and it's two engine packages, should I be ok when I upgrade, or is it likely to screw something up?
[06:41] <chx> i know
[06:41] <chx> that's why i skipped intreprid.
[06:41] <chx> :)
[06:41] <Ratchet_the_fox> what is the site for the 3rd party pakages again
[06:42] <MushroomKingdom> agoole: Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[06:42] <MushroomKingdom> Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.
[06:42] <chx> Surlent777: huh, wha's the problem with amarok2?
[06:42] <chx> Surlent777: just asking, i am about to upgrde too
[06:42] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: haha, i'd love to help more, but its almost 3am, i need sleep, lol
[06:42] <Surlent777> chx: Lacking features, and horribly ugly UI (I tested the Kubuntu daily CD a few days a go to get a feel for it)
[06:43] <agoole> i agree, its pretty ugly,
[06:43] <MushroomKingdom> agoole: ok :) thank you for all your help
[06:43] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: no problem, anytime, glad you switched to linux :)
[06:43] <MushroomKingdom> :D
[06:43] <chx> agoole: is there a way to pre-download the jaunty packages while i am asleep or I can only do that once the dist-upgrade finished for intrerpid?
[06:43] <agoole> night all
[06:43] <MushroomKingdom> night
[06:43] <chx> night
[06:44] <Surlent777> I feel they should have just left the basic UI intact, and just oxygenated it a bit, or whatever, but I'm not a developer, and I don't really know why they did what they did...all I want for now is the fully-functional player I like, although I'll consider checking out the new version as it gets more developed
[06:44] <agoole> chx: I dont know, can you afford to do a clean isntall ?
[06:44] <chx> huuuuh
[06:44] <agoole> chx: can you backup your files and erase the whole drive and start from a clean install ?
[06:44] <chx> i guess i could save /var/www to /home
[06:44] <chx> agoole: i guess i could.
[06:45] <chx> agoole: cleaner, isnt it.
[06:45] <agoole> saving it to /home wouldn't actually save anything, after a format....
[06:45] <Surlent777> I really need to do a clean install someday...I've been using the same stuff since 6.06
[06:45] <chx> i am not formatting the drives, just .
[06:45] <chx> i am not formatting the drives, just /
[06:45] <agoole> chx: yes, because you're skipping, i'd suggest a clean install, if you have a external drive or something to backup your files
[06:45]  * chx counts his drives
[06:45] <Ratchet_the_fox> um i have a problem
[06:46] <chx> i have about a few... terabytes... in external disks.
[06:46] <agoole> chx: can you backup your files and then format and do a clean install ?
[06:46] <agoole> chx: if you can, then i recommend that,
[06:46] <chx> agoole: why i can't keep /home :) ?
[06:46] <Surlent777> but anyway, should I be fine if I just tell Synaptic to force the versions of amarok and it's two engine packages?
[06:46] <chx> agoole: that would save me a ton of trouble.
[06:46] <agoole> chx: if you don't want to, then follow the adept manager wizard
[06:46] <agoole> chx: you can, if you back it up onto another drive somewhere else
[06:47] <chx> thanks. and good night.
[06:47] <Ratchet_the_fox> i just upgraded to Juanty and i cant get Flash videos to play on youtube in firefox it says no drivers for them are installed but when i checked the restricted driveres are instaled
[06:47] <agoole> chx: because if you format your drive you'll loose everything, including /home
[06:47] <agoole> Ratchet_the_fox: the restricted drivers didn't work for me either, try installing the package from the adobe website
[06:47] <ryan-c> how do i list packages that are installed but not in the repositories?
[06:48] <agoole> ryan-c: aptitude search whatever
[06:48] <agoole> and the list with I
[06:48] <agoole> next to them are the installed ones
[06:48] <ryan-c> uh
[06:48] <Surlent777> ryan-c: In Synaptic you can go and hit the Origin button...maybe try looking for something similar in Adept?
[06:48] <ryan-c> Command line?
[06:48] <agoole> ryan-c: not familiar? then use the adept system
[06:49] <agoole> ok night all
[06:49] <agoole> exit
[06:49] <ryan-c> And I'm looking for a way to list all packages that are installed that are not in jaunty
[06:49] <Surlent777> should I be fine if I just tell Synaptic to force the versions of amarok and it's two engine packages?
[06:50] <Surlent777> or will this likely mess something up upon upgrading?
[06:52] <Ratchet_the_fox> yay that fixed it thanks :)
[06:52] <Surlent777> meh, screw it...I'll just do it
[06:52] <ibrar> How to upgrade 9.10beta to 9.10
[06:53] <lorecaster> while trying to install my brother 465cn drivers, i did the sudo dpkg  -i  --force-all  --force-architecture mfc465cnlpr-1.0.1-1.i386.deb command, but it says cannot create directory, no such file or director.
[06:53] <lorecaster> -tear-
[06:54] <MushroomKingdom> brb
[06:58] <ibrar> How to upgrade 9.10beta to 9.10
[06:59] <tsimpson> ibrar: just do a normal package update
[06:59] <tsimpson> !already
[07:00] <bvance> 9.04 issue-> eth0 doesn't show up in the control panel
[07:00] <bvance> the Wired Connections tab doesn't list any nics
[07:01] <johnnypea> hello, please what is an alternative for "gnome-vfs" in kubunut?
[07:11] <bvanhoorn> Hallo
[07:17] <ryan_> #irc.coldfront.net
[07:17] <ryan_> #yb
[07:31] <husayn> when i type    "sudo ifconfig eth0:1 172.16.1.74 netmask 255.255.255.0 up"  i get an ip on the eth0:1 interface but when i restart the pc ..its gone
[07:31] <husayn> how to save this thing
[07:33] <kb9vqf> husayn: Look into the /etc/network/interfaces for manual configuration of network settings
[07:33] <husayn> means i need to edit a document file ?
[07:34] <robin0800> husayn: you need to tick the box that says connect automaticaly in the wired dialog
[07:34] <husayn> i have done that
[07:35] <husayn> how to assign metric to a specific interface ?
[07:35] <robin0800> husayn: thats lost on a reboot?
[07:36] <husayn> i was talking about 1 interface but i have 2 gateways having 2 different ip ... so i will make 2 interface , 1 physical and one subinterface so that i can connect to both networks
[07:36] <robin0800> husayn: you need settings/ networking
[07:36] <husayn> so i need to assign metric to 1st interface of 1 and second to 2 .. so how to assign metric
[07:37] <husayn> I am in etc/network/intefaces
[07:37] <husayn> i am edititing that file
[07:37] <robin0800> usr the gui
[07:38] <husayn> ok if i use the GUI.. tell me how to assign 2 ip on a inteface
[07:38] <husayn> like in windows i can by going to advance tab and then assign multiple ip and multiple gateways
[07:38] <husayn> i need to have 2 ip on my inteface  172.16.1.74 and 192.168.1.74
[07:40] <johnnypea> vfs
[07:40] <robin0800> use mabnual settig in gui
[07:41] <johnnypea> please how can I install GIO/GVFS
[07:41] <johnnypea>  
[07:43] <Daskreech> johnnypea: gnomelibs
[07:43] <johnnypea> sry I meant KIO, I want it for kubuntu :)
[07:43] <lorecaster> i just ran sudo dpkg  -i  --force-all  --force-architecture  mfc465cnlpr-1.0.1-1.i386.deb and it says it cannot create directory -cries-
[07:44] <Daskreech> johnnypea: kdelibs
[07:45] <raylu> is there a way i can resize things on my panel?
[07:45] <johnnypea> Daskreech: I can just add throuhg "Add and Remove Software"?
[07:45] <Daskreech> raylu: For example ?
[07:46] <Daskreech> johnnypea: If you have KDE installed then you have KIO already
[07:47] <raylu> Daskreech: i'd take a screenshot, but i can't at the moment o.0
[07:47] <Daskreech> raylu: Jsut tell me what you want to resize
[07:47] <raylu> Daskreech: i have a vertical panel and i want the clock to be shorter
[07:47] <raylu> the ability to take screenshots would be nicer, though :D
[07:47] <johnnypea> Daskreech: aha , I just need some altarnative to "gnome-vfs" - maybe I am asking the wrong thing, sorry I am completly new to this
[07:48] <Daskreech> johnnypea: No you are correct. What do you need?
[07:48] <Daskreech> raylu: ksnapshot
[07:48] <lorecaster> anyone? printers? anyone?
[07:48] <Daskreech> If you have the pastebin plasmoid up just drag the screenshot there
[07:48] <Daskreech> !printer
[07:49] <selcuk> hi
[07:49] <lorecaster> i understand that, but i'm having some technical difficulties who's answer i cannot find in there... it appears to be an access error
[07:49] <raylu> Daskreech: nice, thanks
[07:49] <Daskreech> lorecaster: What's the error?
[07:49] <lorecaster> mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/spool/lpd/mfc465cn': No such file or directory
[07:50] <Daskreech> raylu: If you have the pastebin plasmoid it auto uploads it to a Imagepastebin and then copies the URL for the image into the clipboard
[07:50] <johnnypea> Daskreech: I would like to use Bluefish http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html feature to edit files right from FTP and I read there I need something like that
[07:50] <Daskreech> lorecaster: that happens when you do what?
[07:51] <Daskreech> Bluefish is neither Gnome nor KDE I'm not sure how they would handle it
[07:51] <lorecaster> sudo dpkg  -i  --force-all  --force-architecture  mfc465cnlpr-1.0.1-1.i386.deb
[07:51] <tbr281> How do i downgrade to 8.10 from 9.04?
[07:51] <johnnypea> Daskreech: "Support for remote files using gnome-vfs (depending on your gnome-vfs setup, you'll have FTP, SFTP, HTTP, HTTPS, WebDAV, Samba and more). The development version uses GIO/GVFS to open remote files."
[07:52] <Daskreech> tbr281: painfully
[07:52] <lorecaster> (giggle @ dask)
[07:52] <Daskreech> lorecaster: That's a lot of force where did you get the deb ?
[07:52] <lorecaster> from the brother website
[07:52] <Daskreech> johnnypea: Then you need GVFS :-)
[07:53] <lorecaster> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/instruction_prn1a.html
[07:53] <nixternal> lorecaster: which version of Kubuntu?
[07:53] <Daskreech> johnnypea: You will need the development versionit seems
[07:53] <lorecaster> ubuntu 9.04
[07:53] <nixternal> that driver has been replaced as the mfc465 has been obsoleted
[07:54] <nixternal> lorecaster: sudo apt-get install brother-lpr-drivers-extra
[07:54] <lorecaster> i bought mine brand new 3 months ago :P it's an awesome printer
[07:54] <lorecaster> shame on them!
[07:54] <lorecaster> thanks nix
[07:54] <nixternal> hehe, no prob :)
[07:54] <lorecaster> running
[07:54] <lorecaster> will let you know when it finishes it's thing
[07:55] <johnnypea> Daskreech: yes I have Bluefish SVN but when I am searching for GVFS there is lot of them
[07:55] <silver_swords> lorecaster:  there are drivers at their website
[07:55] <nixternal> thanks, if that doesn't work then we need to file a boog, but iirc, it does work as a friend of mine may have had that same brother printer
[07:56] <lorecaster> silver: i've got the drivers... but the site said this was the proper process for linux. am i reading the wrong material?
[07:56] <Daskreech> johnnypea: Searching for them? what are you looking for? YOu should just be able to open a FTP link once you have the Gnome libs instaleld
[07:56] <rubso> hi guys
[07:56] <Daskreech> nixternal: Which package would have GIO support ?
[07:56] <nixternal> hahahahahahahaha
[07:56] <raylu> Daskreech: http://foor.res.cmu.edu/f/snapshot1.png
[07:56] <Daskreech> !hi | rubso
[07:56] <johnnypea> Daskreech: i dont know which one I should install
[07:57] <rubso> i just installed kubuntu 9.04 on my netbook, then i tried to activate my wifi driver through System > Hardware Drivers. but nothing happens when i click on Activate.
[07:57] <Daskreech> raylu: eww yeah that's kinda icky
[07:57] <rubso> and it says "This driver is not activated"
[07:57] <raylu> Daskreech: in gnome, it displays the clock sideways, which is worse :P
[07:57] <raylu> at least i can read it now
[07:57] <silver_swords> i dont know really.. but i do know this, they are a mess. my sister has one and it took her ages to giggure it out.
[07:57] <johnnypea> Daskreech: gvfs-1.2.2..."userspace virtual-system...could it be it?
[07:57] <Daskreech> Yeah Gnome is kinky for side panels
[07:58] <silver_swords> figgure
[07:58] <lorecaster> Debian 64 bit version, Ubuntu 64 bit version.... ia32-libs or lib32stdc++ is required to be installed.
[07:58] <Daskreech> johnnypea: Sounds good :)
[07:58] <Daskreech> !info gvfs
[07:59] <nixternal> Daskreech: GIO looks to be served via GLib
[07:59] <Daskreech> !info glib
[07:59] <lorecaster> even after me installing restricted extras, i still cannot play some of my music :(
[08:00] <Daskreech> Which music?
[08:00] <lorecaster> MP3's
[08:00] <lorecaster> mostly techno and folk ;)
[08:00] <Daskreech> you installed libxine1-ffmpeg ?
[08:00] <Daskreech> Oh Techno
[08:00] <Daskreech> Yeah that's probably why it won't play
[08:00] <lorecaster> (heart) techno
[08:01]  * Daskreech ducks
[08:01] <lorecaster> everyone's entitled to thier opinions dask, as long as they coincide with mine.
[08:01] <Daskreech> As long as it's black
[08:02] <lorecaster> black techno?
[08:02] <lorecaster> sounds harsh :P
[08:03] <Daskreech> Henry Ford reference
[08:03] <Daskreech> Though I guess a George Bush Reference would be even more obskure :)
[08:03] <lorecaster> before my time perhaps? my fiance says i still have 'that new car smell'
[08:04] <raylu> so, my current annoyances are the height of items on my vertical panel and the login/logout sound
[08:05] <Daskreech> change the login sound?
[08:06] <robin0800> raylu: you can resize icons and change or remove sound events
[08:06] <Daskreech> It's not an icon :)
[08:07] <robin0800> Daskreech: resize panel?
[08:07] <lorecaster> \/\/00+!!! pwn giggity! printer works! scratch item 151 off today's glitchlist!!!
[08:07] <Daskreech> Yeah but that's more funky than it needs to be
[08:08] <Daskreech> I'd replace it with a Analog clock personally :)
[08:08] <faileas> lol
[08:08] <faileas> i use the fuzzy one
[08:08] <Daskreech> I used to till the banned it at work
[08:09] <faileas> aww
[08:09] <faileas> why?
[08:09] <Daskreech> Cause they would ask the time and I'd tell them
[08:10] <raylu> robin0800: not icons, panel widgets
[08:10] <lorecaster> you're mean spirited, dask ;) don't ever change
[08:10] <raylu> robin0800: but where would i remove sound events?
[08:12] <jtmoney> hey guys, started playing with an old laptop today... i previously added a PPA for experimental KDE packages, and have since removed it... how do i get back to the official kde packages? i'm still on intrepid
[08:13] <rubso> oh god kubuntu is driving me crazy
[08:13] <Daskreech> jtmoney: remove KDE and reinstall?
[08:13] <rubso> i just activated the driver
[08:13] <rubso> and the wireless is not showing in Network Manager
[08:13] <rubso> somebody help before i commit suicide
[08:13] <lorecaster> is there any way to create a system monitor widget? panel button? etc?
[08:13] <jtmoney> Daskreech: would apt-get install --reintsall kubuntu-desktop work?
[08:14] <jtmoney> rubso, try installing wicd
[08:14] <lorecaster> patience rubso... it's a rocky road, but after 3 weeks, i'm glad i made the change from windoze
[08:14] <jtmoney> forget the kde networkmanager plasmoid, forget knetworkmanager
[08:14] <jtmoney> sudo apt-get install wicd
[08:14] <rubso> ok i'll check wicd
[08:14] <jtmoney> it even has a pretty little tray icon
[08:14] <faileas> lorecaster: eheh. took me... 3 years ;p
[08:15] <lorecaster> :| eep
[08:15] <faileas> lorecaster: took me a while to find a distro that worked for me ;p
[08:15] <Daskreech> rubso: Is it a hidden network?
[08:15] <rubso> no
[08:15] <Daskreech> jtmoney: no
[08:15] <lorecaster> i did a search "which distro is right for me" and on 3 different tests, ubuntu came out on top... and ehre i am :D
[08:16] <lorecaster> never looked back
[08:16] <jtmoney> Daskreech: how should i remove and reintsall kde then?
[08:16] <Daskreech> rubso: Strange should turn up
[08:16] <rubso> Daskreech: I installed Kubuntu, It was there in Network Manager "wlan0" then i activated atheros driver and restarted the machine. now "wlan0" won't show.
[08:16] <jtmoney> ohh
[08:16] <jtmoney> one sec, rubso
[08:16] <rubso> ok
[08:16] <jtmoney> try this
[08:17] <jtmoney> konsole, sudo -s, then type: wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta
[08:17] <jtmoney> atheros/madwifi is weird
[08:17] <rubso> wlanconfig is not installed
[08:18] <jtmoney> hmm, i think you need the package "madwifi-utils" or similar
[08:18] <SandGorgon> resuming after suspend-to-RAM should lock screen - this is a security problem
[08:18] <rubso> ok
[08:18] <jtmoney> seriously though, check out wicd... MUCH easier
[08:18] <rubso> install madwifi tools atm
[08:19] <rubso> jtmoney: it says, wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device
[08:20] <jtmoney> type ifconfig
[08:20] <jtmoney> which devices do you have?
[08:21] <rubso> well, it's installing wicd atm.
[08:21] <jtmoney> heh, good man
[08:21] <rubso> didn't know that wicd will replace default network manager :/
[08:21] <jtmoney> you want it to
[08:21] <jtmoney> knetworkmanager is flaky
[08:21] <jtmoney> at least it has been for me
[08:21] <jtmoney> and the plasmoid that comes with jaunty is absolute garbage
[08:22] <Daskreech> It is flaky that's why there is the new plasmoid which is a different flake
[08:22] <jtmoney> yeah, the plasmoid does not work with WPA2 encryption for me
[08:22] <Daskreech> It should
[08:22] <Daskreech> Supports NM 0.7
[08:22] <jtmoney> well, i put the same shared secret in wicd and the plasmoid... one connected, the other crapped out
[08:22] <rubso> jtmoney: installed wicd, it says: No Wireless networks found.
[08:23] <jtmoney> shit man
[08:23] <Daskreech> !ohmy
[08:23] <jtmoney> :-X
[08:23] <jtmoney> rubso: start, settings, hardware drivers
[08:23] <jtmoney> check that the atheros driver is enabled
[08:23] <rubso> jtmoney: I swear wlan0 was there when i installed kubuntu.
[08:23] <rubso> ok
[08:23] <jtmoney> next step is compiling it from the latest SVN which is really easy
[08:24] <Daskreech> Yeah some hardware is just crazy to get working in Linux
[08:24] <rubso> jtmoney: It's activated. "This driver is activated and currently in use"
[08:24] <jtmoney> very odd
[08:24] <jtmoney> let me give you a doc
[08:25] <rubso> ok
[08:25] <jtmoney> do you have a 5k model?
[08:25] <jtmoney> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[08:25] <rubso> yeah, i think so.
[08:26] <jtmoney> looks like it's a known bug then
[08:27] <jtmoney> sorry mang
[08:27] <jtmoney> but that link should provide a solution
[08:27] <jtmoney> if that does not work, you might want to get the latest version of madwifi (sort of like the driver for atheros chips)... here's the guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Madwifi#Compile%20Newer%20Driver
[08:29] <rubso> jtmoney: thanks for help. I'll check them out right now!
[08:30] <jtmoney> np man, good luck
[08:30] <rubso> oh lol. it won't reboot. blank screen with a mouse cursor.
[08:30] <burbuja> I confirm
[08:30] <burbuja> the same yesterday from liveCD
[08:31] <jtmoney> :-X
[08:31] <lorecaster> need a little help with my graphics drivers before i can continue my autocad install in wine...
[08:31] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/mf411229
[08:31] <easyfit_> I upgraded my laptop from 8.10 to 9.04 yesterday and unfortunately 9.04 is extremely unstable for me, it's basically not usable, so what do you think is the best bet, should I just give it a couple of days and hope for the developers to get some new updates out which will hopefully fix the issues, or should I make a clean install of 9.04 and hope that works better, or should I revert to 8.10 for the time being?
[08:32] <jtmoney> easyfit_: i'm going through the same... that's not an easy answer, but i'm willing to bet that many of these issues will not be fixed within a few days
[08:33] <jtmoney> easyfit_: i think it's 9.04 itself, so reverting to 8.10 is probably a good idea
[08:33] <burbuja> :O
[08:33] <easyfit_> jtmoney, yeah that's what I'm thinking as well... so I guess I'll go back to 8.10 for now...
[08:33] <rubso> jtmoney: does Ubuntu have better driver support than kubuntu?
[08:34] <easyfit_> kind of sucks to have to reinstall it and lose all my settings and stuff, but I guess I got myself to blame for being so quick to upgrade... I just never learn :)
[08:34] <jtmoney> rubso: they're pretty much the same
[08:34] <jtmoney> easyfit_: heh, yeah... i know man
[08:34] <rubso> jtmoney: my netbook won't use linux forever then . :(
[08:35] <burbuja> Sorry, I just came. So .... is the installation recommandable? Probably not, if I understand it correctly
[08:35] <jtmoney> rubso: what kind of network?
[08:35] <jtmoney> err *notebook
[08:35] <rubso> jtmoney: acer aspire one.
[08:36] <mahmood> hello
[08:37] <jtmoney> true, i just got an hp mini 1030nr in the mail yesterday
[08:37] <jtmoney> trying to get sound working
[08:37] <jtmoney> worked in 8.10, apparently, but not 9.04 :-X
[08:40] <jtmoney> burbuja: just saw your message... if you have a desktop, you'll prob be fine
[08:40] <jtmoney> lots of wireless and audio problems for notebooks frmo what i can tell
[08:40] <burbuja> jtmoney: thanks for answer and the restart issue?
[08:41] <burbuja> is it common, known one?
[08:41] <jtmoney> ohh, what rubjo had?
[08:42] <raylu> so, how do i get rid of the login/logoff sounds?
[08:42] <burbuja> well I am not sure, if I saw all of his lines
[08:42] <burbuja> I tryed to restart from liveCD
[08:42] <burbuja> the result was black screen with mouse pointer
[08:43] <burbuja> I had to push reset-button
[08:44] <jtmoney> hmm, generally no
[08:44] <jtmoney> what type of video card?
[08:44] <burbuja> radeon
[08:44] <jtmoney> uh oh
[08:44] <burbuja> ATI 9600
[08:44] <jtmoney> one sec
[08:45] <jtmoney> http://mebentley.blogspot.com/2009/03/upgrading-to-jaunty-kill-fglrx.html
[08:45] <jtmoney> familiar with ubuntu/fglrx at all?
[08:46] <jtmoney> whoops, wrong link: http://www.rojtberg.net/212/no-fglrx-for-jaunty/
[08:46] <jtmoney> either way, hopefully jaunty is intelligent enough to know whether to install xorg-driver-ati (free, open-source) or whatever it is vs. fglrx (binary from ati)
[08:47] <jtmoney> but if you did a proper install, i'm sure it would be easy to fix, if even necessary
[08:47] <burbuja> no, I did not have ubuntu / kubuntu yet
[08:47] <burbuja> now I have sid, if I install kubuntu, will it bind my /home partition?
[08:48] <jtmoney> oh wait, you should be fine with a 9600
[08:48] <jtmoney> burbuja: you can do advanced partitioning and set all that
[08:48] <burbuja> ok, thank you
[08:48] <burbuja> I am collecting information for now
[08:50] <jtmoney> np
[08:50] <jtmoney> always good to collect
[08:50] <rubso> I think i'm done. :/ Back to WinXP it seems.
[08:50] <jtmoney> hmm
[08:50] <jtmoney> i like ubuntu much more than i do debian
[08:50] <jtmoney> but i run vista on my main box
[08:50] <jtmoney> why not dual boot?
[08:50] <SandGorgon_> i just got a message that compositing has been turned off because it is too slow - why did this happen, I only did a suspend/resum
[08:51] <rubso> I have an Ubuntu that runs flawlessly. but my experience with Kubuntu was and still bad. since it's first release.
[08:51] <jtmoney> SandGorgon_: that's related to performance of your video card... either it's not powerful enough (older hardware), or you found a bug
[08:51] <jtmoney> rubso: yeah, a lot of people say use opensuse for kde :-X
[08:51] <SandGorgon_> jtmoney: well i have a nvidia 7400 - good enough to play warcraft... how do i see if it is a bug ? (desktop effects are enabled)
[08:52] <jtmoney> i dunno, maybe search bugtracker
[08:52] <rubso> jtmoney: :/ but no good localization support.
[08:52] <burbuja> ahhhhhhh, jtmoney sorry to break into one more /home will not be formated after it has been bind, right?
[08:52] <jtmoney> ahh, i'm not totally sure, burbuja
[08:52] <jtmoney> i use the defaults heh
[08:52] <jtmoney> well, except for my RAID-1 box
[08:52] <burbuja> ok :)
[09:05] <raylu> burbuja: "bind?"
[09:06] <burbuja> sorry I will look in dictionary
[09:06] <raylu> burbuja: are you installing with manual partitioning?
[09:06] <burbuja> yes
[09:07] <burbuja> I have another distro now
[09:07] <burbuja> I am thinking about go to kubuntu
[09:07] <burbuja> I want to format and install to sda1
[09:07] <burbuja> binding my /home without changes
[09:08] <raylu> if you don't tick the "Format" checkbox, it won't be formatted
[09:08] <raylu> only the partition mounted at / needs to be formatted
[09:08] <burbuja> nice :) I expected something like this
[09:08] <burbuja> and what about my .kde 4,2 settings ?
[09:08] <burbuja> or application settings
[09:09] <burbuja> have i to delete them before?
[09:09] <burbuja> from the /home
[09:09] <burbuja> kubuntu uses as well kde 4.x
[09:09] <burbuja> so I am not sure what would be the best
[09:11] <raylu> m... i'm not sure
[09:11] <raylu> i've used kde3 back in kubuntu 7.10 and 7.04 :P
[09:11] <raylu> back then, ~/.kde was for kde3 and ~/.kde4 was for kde4
[09:11] <raylu> now, ~/.kde is for kde4
[09:11] <burbuja> yes
[09:11] <burbuja> I have ~-.kde
[09:11] <burbuja> I have ~/.kde
[09:12] <burbuja> in verision 4.2.2
[09:12] <torbjorn_> Hey, everyone. After upgrading to Jaunty, my Kopete won't connect. Also, launching Konversation seems to crash my machine. X disappears and ICMP pings go unanswered ..
[09:12] <torbjorn_> using foss ati driver, upgraded from clean intrepid install
[09:14] <Guest38817> is there a reason for nepomuk server to start at boot ?
[09:15] <lorecaster> in order to get autocad working in wine (or should i say Whine?), i need to update my drivers for nvidia to 180.51, can someone give me a hand?
[09:16] <bo0ts__> Holly shit...
[09:16] <lorecaster> language ;)
[09:16] <bo0ts__> The new network manager is a single bug~~
[09:16] <bo0ts__> Ah, sorry. I'm just a little frustrated.
[09:17] <lorecaster> i've been working at this particular desk for 18 hours fixing bugs
[09:17] <lorecaster> ... in the last 24
[09:17] <bo0ts__> Thanks.
[09:18] <bo0ts__> It just feel weird that there Ubuntu is releasing Jaunty even if there is so much to do.
[09:18] <bo0ts__> -there
[09:18] <Daskreech> Releasing on a particualr day is more important than anything else
[09:18] <lorecaster> i installed the fresh install today.... downloaded almost 500 updates :P
[09:19] <lorecaster> dask, got any advice on that driver?
[09:19] <Daskreech> lorecaster: Which?
[09:19] <lorecaster> need nvidia 180.51 (arethusa tells me) to run cad in wine
[09:19] <Daskreech> lorecaster: ask in #winehq
[09:20] <lorecaster> they told me to 'pester' you guys for help with installing .51... -tear-
[09:23] <RyanVanDiemen> hi guys, what are your impressions on new kubuntu?
[09:24] <MarcoPau> hello, my kubuntu jackalope fails loading mysqld. it'll idle a few seconds on the loading of the daemon, then gives fail output
[09:24] <RyanVanDiemen> I`m a gnome user, but I like KDE4, i`M about to install ubuntu today but you can turn me over to kde4 before that ;-)
[09:25] <Daskreech> what version is offered in the repos?
[09:26] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: Have you tried the Live CD ?
[09:26] <SandGorgon_> how do i get a list of ALL installed software in kpackagekit ?
[09:27] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: I tried RC but there are few things I don`t loke but with some help I should be able to get around them...
[09:27] <kathrin> Moin!
[09:27] <RyanVanDiemen> I love the look of KDE4, but somehow I always go back to gnome...
[09:27] <Daskreech> SandGorgon_: dpkg -l ?
[09:27] <kathrin> nach Upgrade auf Jaunty: 100% Prozessorauslastung
[09:27] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: shoot
[09:27] <Daskreech> !de
[09:28] <kathrin> Hab ich jetzt Windows Verhältnisse?
[09:28] <Daskreech> kathrin: ^^^
[09:28] <RurouniJones> Are the nVidia binary drivers packaged up for 9.04 64bit?
[09:28] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: well, firstly I don`t like when I copy files from one drive to antoher, dolphin always gives me information that it wasn`t able to change the file permissions
[09:29] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: To a NTFS/FAT drive I'll assume ?
[09:29] <RyanVanDiemen> yeah, ntfs drive
[09:29] <RyanVanDiemen> I don`t care about changing file permissions, I don`t want that info to show all the time
[09:29] <SandGorgon_> Daskreech: but in kpackagekit ? the GUI
[09:31] <clau30> what is wrong with openoffice in jaunty? in looks like in windows (i.e. ugly) and I have no icons
[09:33] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: Ok I don't know :) I haven't had a drive with NTFS or FAT in about 3 years
[09:33] <Daskreech> maybe 4
[09:34] <Daskreech> SandGorgon_: Not sure haven't looked
[09:34] <RyanVanDiemen> Daksreech: good for you :)
[09:34] <Daskreech> clau30: Might need kde icons?
[09:34] <lorecaster> i need NTFS for my thumbdrives... when transferring to windows machines
[09:34] <lorecaster> lost of sheep around
[09:37] <Daskreech> hi robertknight
[09:45] <cavaradossi> hi
[09:46] <cavaradossi> i try to create a vpn connection (pptp) i take the error: Failed  beause connection attemp time ou
[09:46] <cavaradossi> r
[09:46] <cavaradossi> t
[09:46] <cavaradossi> what does it mean ?
[09:47] <cavaradossi> i try to create a vpn connection (pptp) i take the error: Failed  beause connection attemp time out, what does it means ?
[09:47] <clau30> thanks Daskreech, I'll try it out
[09:47] <robertknight> Daskreech: pong
[09:48] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: I suppose that you can tone down the messages
[09:48] <Daskreech> robertknight: How are you?
[09:48] <clau30> does anyone know if you can get plasma-widget-network-manager to work with static ips?
[09:48] <robertknight> Good thanks
[09:49] <cavaradossi> i try to create a vpn connection vpn  (pptp) i take the error: Failed  beause connection attemp time out, what does it means ?
[09:49] <clau30> cavaradossi: maybe a firewall blocking connections? you have to give more detaul
[09:49] <x3cion> hum
[09:49] <cavaradossi> the firewall on router?
[09:49] <clau30> I can't know how and what are you trying to do, please be more specific
[09:50] <vital__> hi, i just installed 9.04 and my yakuake and konsole are not working!
[09:50] <x3cion> I've a laptop with an external monitor connected. I wrote some things in my xorg.conf ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/157038/ ) so it starts up with dualview and such. The problem is, my internal lcd starts up with 1280x854, even though it's native resolution is 1440x900 (xrandr -q: http://paste.ubuntu.com/157040/ ). How can I ensure, that my lcd has the right resolution from start on?
[09:50]  * Daskreech welcomes Trouble
[09:50] <x3cion> vital__, did you start yakuake at all?
[09:50] <vital__> yep, they open up and all, but they dont even show the prompt
[09:50] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: I think so, haven`t posted anything on the forums yet, but I probably will along with other things I don`t like in KDE4 but can most probably be worked out
[09:51] <vital__> and i cant type anything
[09:51] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: That was a slight hint that you should continue the things that you don't like :)
[09:51] <vital__> tried to reinstall yakuake, but it doesnt work
[09:52] <vital__> and the same thing in konsole
[09:52] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: yeah, sometimes I`m just too lazy...and it all works well in gnome without doing anything if you know what I mean...
[09:52] <Daskreech> Yeah. It's on release 26 KDE is on release 2
[09:52] <clau30> !pastebin cavaradossi
[09:53] <clau30> !pastebin
[09:53] <Daskreech> clau30: use |
[09:53] <clau30> thanks :)
[09:53] <clau30> !pastebin | cavaradossi
[09:53] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: I thought that 9.04 will be the version I will swithc completely to KDE but in the end I downloaded Ubuntu/gnome version yesterday, but am still thinking about switching
[09:53] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: Gnome has had a bit more time to polish. As I recall they hit release 8 or 12 before people were comfortable with the 2 series
[09:54] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: That's fine let me hear some of you other gripes. Maybe we can assuade them or at least we can start working on them
[09:54] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: well I used KDE 4.0 for some time and I have to say they went a long way since then...
[09:55] <Daskreech> Oh quite a lot
[09:55] <Daskreech> 4.3 isn't as big a jump but 4.4 looks really good again
[09:55] <RyanVanDiemen> Daskreech: another thing is that whenever I enter a password to some application it offers me to remember it in that password manager (whatever it`s called in KDE)
[09:55] <RyanVanDiemen> I don`t want him to show me that question
[09:56] <Daskreech> just disable the kwalletmanager or use a blank password
[09:56] <RyanVanDiemen> where can I disable kwallet ?
[09:57] <Daskreech> systemsettings
[09:57] <RyanVanDiemen> ok, I thought this one might be easy actually
[09:58] <kalel> hello
[09:58] <RyanVanDiemen> there`s one more thing but this might be a little tricky and I might not be able to tell you all info since I`m not on my home laptop now, but I`m somehow not able to run wireless on my laptop (it`s working in gnome). I choose my network, enter password but somehow it just doesn`t connect. this was release cand. I tried this on, but I don`t expect to be any different in final release...
[09:59] <kalel> i'm sorry for my english, i'm italian
[09:59] <kalel> do they help me?
[09:59] <Daskreech> !it
[10:00] <Daskreech> RyanVanDiemen: hidden network essid?
[10:00] <kalel> in unbuntu-it they don't help me
[10:00] <RyanVanDiemen> no, it`s not hidden
[10:01] <clau30> !ppt
[10:01] <clau30> !pptp
[10:01] <Daskreech> nixternal: still up?
[10:02] <kalel> i have a problem, i don't listen music online on dada :'( why?
[10:04] <Daskreech> kalel: Did you install libxine1-ffmepg ?
[10:05] <clau30> does anyone know if you can get plasma-widget-network-manager to work with static ips?
[10:05] <Daskreech> clau30: You should be able to
[10:05] <kalel> daskreech yes
[10:06] <Daskreech> Not that I know that but you should be able to
[10:07] <clau30> Daskreech: I can set it up but it won't connect
[10:07] <kalel> daskreech help me
[10:08] <kalel> daskreech, do you known dada.it?
[10:09] <yao_ziyuan> when i click a button, there is a slight drum sound
[10:09] <yao_ziyuan> is it a kde sound event or a gnome sound event?
[10:09] <clau30> kalel: have you ever been able to listen there?
[10:09] <Daskreech> kalel: No It's a radio station ?
[10:10] <Daskreech> yao_ziyuan: drums are normally ubuntu's version of Gnome
[10:11] <kalel> daskreech, no. it's a network like itunes where i play and download music :(
[10:12] <kalel> clau30: no
[10:12] <Daskreech> kalel: And it never worked before? what did you use before?
[10:13] <kalel> daskreech, if you want, you try to go in this site
[10:14] <kalel> daskreech, i'm used dada.it in windows without problems, but in ubuntu it's impossible :(
[10:14] <Daskreech> sì
[10:14] <Daskreech> So you click to buy?
[10:15] <clau30> kalel: I fear that the player is somehow only windows-compatible (couldn't figure out what technology they're using)
[10:15] <kalel> daskreech: yes. But i want to listen music without buy
[10:15] <peace_> linux is to windows
[10:15] <kalel> buy is possible
[10:15] <peace_> *is not
[10:15] <Daskreech> kalel: how did you do that in Windows ?
[10:15] <clau30> kalel: you can try last.fm :)
[10:16] <RyanVanDiemen> bloody hell, Security patch installed, Restart required -> yeah, I`m on windows right now... see you in few minutes :-!
[10:16] <kalel> daskreech: in windows without problems, but i want use dada.it in ubuntu
[10:17] <yao_ziyuan> Daskreech: solved
[10:17] <Elone> i don't need to do any thing for upgrading to release 9.04 if i am in beta right? just normal update in systray will do right?
[10:17] <Daskreech> kalel: Yes and how would it work in Windows ? How do you listen to it ?
[10:17] <kalel> clau30: last.fm don't have my music prefered
[10:17] <Daskreech> Elone: Right
[10:18] <kalel> daskreech: i click on ascolta
[10:18] <kalel> on play button
[10:19] <kalel> can i paste link?
[10:20] <Daskreech> I am looking at it
[10:20] <Daskreech> It asks for a login ?
[10:21] <kalel> no, you can listen music without login
[10:21] <raylu> speaking of which, how does one disable the startup/shutdown music?
[10:21] <kalel> :'(
[10:21] <Daskreech> Hmm ok Ah Salva come mood needs a login
[10:22] <Daskreech> Hmm
[10:23] <kalel> daskreech: listen music click on play button
[10:24] <Daskreech> kalel: I see it. would you be willing to e-mail someone about it ?
[10:25] <kalel> daskreech: you can listen music without insert email
[10:26] <jo> bonjour, je suis nouveau utilisateur de kubuntu. j'ai une souris bluetooh et je ne trouve pas comment l'installer
[10:26] <kalel> i don't know well english:(
[10:26] <Daskreech> kalel: I can see that :) I am asking if I give you a contact if you would be willing to e-mail them? They are italian
[10:27] <clau30> jo -> #kubuntu-fr
[10:27] <Daskreech> jo -> gone
[10:28] <clau30> ah
[10:28] <kalel> i give you  my email?
[10:29] <kalel> daskreech: do you explain sample?
[10:29] <Daskreech> No I just sent you the information
[10:32] <sophie_> hello
[10:32] <Daskreech> !hi
[10:33] <clau30> jo is having problems :)
[10:33] <Daskreech> Good observation
[10:33] <sophie_> with the upgrade to Jaunty I have lost the flash-nonfree usage. But it is all installed... so I have remove purge it and reinstall. But the problem is still here
[10:33] <sophie_> * always
[10:34] <yrl__> sophie_: do you have 64bit kubuntu by accident?
[10:35] <clau30> by accident? :D
[10:35] <yrl__> ok "by any chance" :)
[10:35] <sophie_> yrl__: no, I have a 32 bits system and make only a upgrade
[10:35] <clau30> grammar police helped the citizens again :)
[10:35] <altrortla> hello ... i need help .... I don't know what's appened but myphpadmin doesn't start no more from login page... (now it say "site under construction")... i have also checked in apache2 if there was still the link to phpmyadmin ... It stay. So I have done reistallation of LAMP "sudo apt-get install --reinstall apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-gd phpmyadmin" like guidelines for kubuntu... also i set ServerName
[10:35] <altrortla> localhost to broswe my page in local.... (that's all) but i don't know why phpmyadmin start wiht that page
[10:35] <altrortla> amy tips?
[10:35] <altrortla> any
[10:36] <Daskreech>  SlimeyPete left the room :-) That's the ending to a great story
[10:36] <drbobb> heck, i'm really trying to give dolphin a chance.. but it's not making me very happy
[10:36] <Daskreech> drbobb: don't use it then?
[10:36] <yrl__> sophie_: try running this command and see what it displays: readlink /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin
[10:36] <drbobb> Daskreech: well that was my policy until now
[10:37] <drbobb> but I thought ppl really had reasons to praise it like some do
[10:37] <Daskreech> drbobb: They do. You don't it's pretty much that simple
[10:37] <sophie_> yrl__: no response for readlink /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin
[10:38] <drbobb> Is it a known bug that you can't change the font in Quassel's chat window?
[10:38] <yrl__> sophie_: try removing flashplugin-nonfree package and reinstalling it
[10:39] <clau30> yrl__: she tried it and didn't help (see above)
[10:39] <sophie_> yrl__: yes I have tried yet
[10:39] <Daskreech> drbobb: If it is please file it. Quassel is a very new application so they are just getting somethings sorted out but they are pretty responsive to feedback
[10:39] <yrl__> oh sorry havnt noticed that
[10:40] <sophie_> it's amazing
[10:40] <yrl__> sophie_: do you have the file libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer ?
[10:40] <yrl__> yea quasses is great but i wonder what it needs 70mb of memory after the start for...
[10:41] <faileas> lol
[10:41] <yrl__> right now quassel is using 180mb on my system...
[10:41] <clau30> konversation ftw
[10:41] <yrl__> i guess there is a memory leak somewhere
[10:41] <clau30> quassel needs 50mb to install..
[10:41] <sophie_> yrl__: no file in this directory
[10:42] <yrl__> sophie_: then your reinstallation has gone bad
[10:43] <yrl__> maybe the flash plugin wasnt downloaded from the adobe site
[10:43] <sophie_> yrl__: what can I do then ?
[10:43] <yrl__> i would try to reinstall again and observe apt-get output... you should see that the installation process downloads the plash plugin
[10:44] <yrl__> you should verify that the plugin is being downloaded
[10:44] <drbobb> hrrm yeah, quassel's RSS is over 70M on my system
[10:45] <yrl__> drbobb: just wait and it will start to consume more
[10:45] <drbobb> that's already more than either plasma or konqueror
[10:46] <clau30> sophie_: I rather think that firefox doesn't find the plugin
[10:46] <Daskreech> Konqueror?
[10:46] <yrl__> i have it running for 3 days now and unless you guys managed to produce 100mb of text here on this channel i think it has some kind of memory leak :)
[10:46] <clau30> sophie_: try locate *flash*.so and see if something is found
[10:48] <sophie_> yrl__: clau30 houra, sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-installer --purge && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer        worked!
[10:48] <clau30> sophie_: great :)
[10:48] <buzzDrive> Hi all, I noticed that I have no swap and I have a partition which uses the entire disk, I have another disk, what is the best way to create a new swap?
[10:48] <drbobb> yeah konqueror with 3 open tabs is barely 61M of RSS
[10:48] <sophie_> thx a lot, have a nice day all
[10:48] <Daskreech> buzzDrive: make a parittion and format it as swap ?
[10:49] <yrl__> sophie_: now you should wait for me and clau30 to send you the invoice for our services :)
[10:49] <drbobb> why quassel is over 70M
[10:49] <clau30> lol
[10:49] <sophie_> ^^
[10:49] <drbobb> s/why/while/
[10:49] <clau30> sophie_: thanks for calling support. do you want to pay by credit card or check?
[10:49] <buzzDrive> Daskreech: ok but I have to change the partition size
[10:49] <yrl__> drbobb: yea that bothers me too... comparing to other irc clients it doesnt have that many features and still consumes heaps of memory
[10:50] <buzzDrive> Does it exist a tool like gparted on KDE?
[10:50] <drbobb> konversation was nicer but it seems it hasn't been ported
[10:50] <Daskreech> qtparted but no one has touched it since 2002
[10:50] <drbobb> (yet another instance of Worse Is Better)
[10:50] <Daskreech> It's being ported now
[10:50] <yrl__> i have quasses, opera firefox and thunderbird running.... after firing up eclipse and tomcat my 4 gigs of ram go byebye :)
[10:51] <Daskreech> Eclipse and firefx alone would probably kill 4GB of RAM
[10:51] <drbobb> yrl__: heh eclipse is not known for being slim
[10:51] <Daskreech> !kde3
[10:51] <yrl__> nope... eclipse takes up 800mb and tomcat takes 400. as for firefox i only use firebug plugin so i always have only one tab open... 200mb max
[10:52] <Daskreech> drbobb: How much did Konnqueror use with 3 tabs open?
[10:52] <yrl__> i found that disabling desktop effects helps to conserver memory for kde4 a bit
[10:53] <drbobb> Daskreech: Virt is 234M, RSS is 61M
[10:53] <sophie_> [11:49] <clau30> sophie_: thanks for calling support. do you want to pay by credit card or check? <---------- I should prepar the dinner, how many for smelling? ^^
[10:53] <drbobb> yrl__: I can't enable effects no matter whether I'd like to or not
[10:53] <Daskreech> yrl__: Yeah Compositing is likely to eat up some nice memory
[10:54] <clau30> sophie_: mmm, dinner sounds great! yrl__, what do you think? ;)
[10:54] <sophie_> yrl__: don' feed the troll :p
[10:55] <yrl__> sophie_: i'll have a lobster if you dont mind 8)
[10:57] <raylu> drbobb: but quassel supports a client/server model
[10:58] <raylu> drbobb: you can run a quasseld on a headless server and run a quassel client that attaches/detatches from it without having to reconnect
[10:58] <raylu> drbobb: which is what i was doing until i realized quassel's keyboard config sucked.
[10:58] <raylu> also, see xcompmgr
[10:59] <drbobb> raylu: well what if I have no need or desire to do that
[10:59] <yrl__> ryalu: really? that would be a very usefull feature... where i can read up on that?
[10:59] <raylu> drbobb: then yeah. konversation is much more feature-filled :D
[10:59] <raylu> yrl__: quassel-irc.org
[10:59] <raylu> but seriously, the client is unusable =\
[10:59] <drbobb> do I still need to suffer the overhead, or should I just use a different client
[10:59] <raylu> i've spent a long time trying to defeat my mouse. along comes quassel with no keyboard shortcuts
[11:00] <faileas> raylu: you can do the same thing with a bouncer
[11:00] <clau30> continue using konversation (like me ;) )
[11:00] <yrl__> raylu: so you cannot use quassel to connect to the server? there is some other client?
[11:00] <raylu> faileas: indeed. or just irssi running in screen, which is what i defaulted back to
[11:00] <drbobb> If you really care to have a persistent connection to IRC, I guess nothing beats a text-mode client + screen
[11:00] <Daskreech> *cough* irssi *cough*
[11:01] <raylu> yrl__: you use quassel to connect to quasseld, which connects to the ircd
[11:01] <Daskreech> drbobb: Quassel comes very close
[11:01] <yrl__> raylu: what makes it unusable then?
[11:01] <raylu> yrl__: the keyboard config sucks
[11:01] <raylu> yrl__: there are like < 10 key shorcuts you can set
[11:02] <raylu> yrl__: in particular, switching windows requires ctrl+#, alt+#. this isn't even documented anywhere in the program
[11:02] <faileas> yrl__: it also dosen't handle queries/PMs well
[11:02] <raylu> yrl__: and you can't rebind that to something more sane
[11:02] <yrl__> too bad :(
[11:02] <drbobb> Konversation would pull in all the kde3/qt3 libs
[11:02] <raylu> and finally, no /lastlog, something i got really attached to in irssi
[11:02] <yrl__> still a nice feature though
[11:02] <drbobb> that would defeat the aim of reducing RAM usage I think
[11:02] <raylu> yeah. it has the right idea, but no features. deluge/deluged is a torrent client with the same model
[11:02] <raylu> and it has all the features i want :D
[11:03] <raylu> it defeated rTorrent for me
[11:03] <drbobb> ktorrent is not too bad
[11:03] <drbobb> it works for me
[11:03] <yrl__> i prefer vuze
[11:03] <raylu> i'd probably use it too if i were torrenting directly on this machine
[11:03] <raylu> but i still can't get rid of the login/logout sounds!
[11:04] <drbobb> except when a torrent has 0-2 seeds, but that isn't ktorrent's fault
[11:04] <raylu> so... how do i get rid of the login/logout sounds?
[11:05] <yrl__> in kde4?
[11:05] <raylu> yes
[11:05] <yrl__> in system setting / notifications
[11:05] <drbobb> can't you switch them off?
[11:05] <drbobb> uh as yrl__ said
[11:05] <peet> hi, i just installed kubuntu 9.04 and i notice that my hard drive keeps turning off
[11:05] <raylu> yrl__: oh my god. i missed kde system notifications
[11:05] <peet> how do i disable it?
[11:06] <raylu> peet: on battery power?
[11:06] <peet> no, i'm on power
[11:06] <peet> and i don't see a similar option in powerdevil
[11:06] <raylu> yrl__: thanks!
[11:07] <yrl__> kde4 also needs something line "soud profiles". disabling all sounds separately by hand is rather time consuming
[11:07] <buzzDrive> How do I resize a partition?
[11:07] <HazaL> Morning folks. I think i have some graphical glitches even though my propritary drivers are functioning
[11:07] <HazaL> Maybe a screenshow would better explain?
[11:08] <raylu> buzzDrive: qparted
[11:09] <buzzDrive> raylu: thanks!
[11:09] <raylu> wait, what the...
[11:09] <raylu> qparted/qtparted no longer exist in the repos...
[11:09] <HazaL> It looks like some of my java applications (ones that use the SWT for example) are not being render correctly
[11:09] <raylu> there's only gparted left...
[11:09] <HazaL> And make them useless :(
[11:10] <peet> how to disable automatic switching off of the hard drive?
[11:11] <buzzDrive> yes raylu so what do i do?
[11:11] <RurouniJones> Anyone tried Kubuntu 9.04 with Japanese language installed and anthy running?
[11:11] <RurouniJones> (Skim rather)
[11:11] <anAnnnaa> booring
[11:11] <buzzDrive> raylu: there is a tool called partitionmanager
[11:11] <anAnnnaa> :(
[11:11] <drbobb> hmm my dvd drive still reads factory-made discs, but fails on all home-burnt cdr's
[11:12] <raylu> buzzDrive: interesting
[11:14]  * Daskreech paints anAnnnaa in bright colours and silver
[11:14] <Tommika> hy
[11:15] <clau30> !hi | Tommika
[11:15] <Tommika> valaki magyarul?
[11:15] <clau30> if anyone can help figuring my problem with keyboard layout gets a free beer
[11:15] <Daskreech> Tagalog?
[11:15] <Daskreech> !ph
[11:15] <clau30> (free as in.. freedom) :D
[11:15] <x3cion> Whats the problem?
[11:16] <bazhang> !hu
[11:16] <Daskreech> Ag
[11:16] <Tommika> thx
[11:16] <clau30> well I have a german keyboard, but the modifier key altgr only works sometimes (don't know when)
[11:17] <x3cion> in console?
[11:17] <clau30> anywhere
[11:17] <clau30> (layouts are disabled in sys settings because it doesn't help either)
[11:17] <clau30> and the "win" keys doesn't work at all
[11:18] <x3cion> congrats, your keyboard is broken :D
[11:18] <clau30> my settings are broken
[11:20] <x3cion> Even on such a console like strg+alt+f1?
[11:20] <x3cion> Whatever they're named... o.o
[11:20] <clau30> no no, strg and alt are working
[11:20] <clau30> but win, altgr don't
[11:20] <x3cion> yeah
[11:21] <x3cion> I just meant the console which you get if you hit "ctrl+alt+f1"
[11:21] <x3cion> in there
[11:21] <clau30> oh
[11:21] <clau30> nope, there neither
[11:22] <peet> try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:22] <x3cion> The xserver doesnt control the main consoles
[11:22] <x3cion> ctrl+alt+{f1-f6}
[11:22] <x3cion> afaik
[11:23] <raylu> xev may help...
[11:23] <raylu> and yes, xserver has nothing to do with the ttys
[11:23] <raylu> but the fact that they don't work there could just be because the keys aren't being read properly. it's possible that X can still interpret them
[11:23] <clau30> I used to do dpkg-reconfigure console-setup for ttys
[11:24] <Maximo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions
[11:24] <clau30> Maximo: hm?
[11:24] <Maximo> sorry
[11:25] <clau30> -100 points for you :P
[11:29] <clau30> so I guess noone wanst a free beer :D
[11:29] <x3cion> clau30, cat /var/log/kern.log | grep keyboard
[11:30] <x3cion> uuuh, nvm
[11:30] <clau30> no errors
[11:31] <x3cion> What does your Xorg.0.log say?
[11:33] <drbobb> x3cion: grep keyboard /var/log/kern.log ;-0
[11:34] <clau30> e.g. (**) AT Raw Set 2 keyboard: xkb_options: "lv3:ralt_switch,compose:lwin"
[11:34] <clau30> so it _should_ be right
[11:35] <x3cion> Whats compose:lwin?
[11:36] <clau30> l win key is for compose
[11:36] <clau30> and the other: right alt (altgr) is for level 3 selection
[11:36] <clau30> I mean "left win key"
[11:40] <Arjayus> Does 9.04 default to ext3? I thought it was using ext4 now
[11:41] <Arjayus> Or does that fact that I am installing as an encrypted LVM mean only ext3
[11:41] <clau30> Arjayus: 9.04 is still with default ext3
[11:42] <Arjayus> Righto, thanks
[11:46] <eth-os> thumbs up for 9.04, good stuff :)
[11:46] <clau30> agree! love it
[11:47] <x3cion> I love it too
[11:47] <x3cion> especially my fupped up lcd resolution on startup
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> i preffered gutsy personally but thats me
[11:48] <clau30> a BIIIG thanks to the kubuntu team!
[11:48] <clau30> why? it's only getting better :)
[11:48] <eth-os> I'm installing from the live cd and it was no where near right for my res, but nothing a real install won't fix
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> clau30: i had to do zero work, jaunty doesnt seem to like crt monitors so my codelies werent detected
[11:49] <eth-os> gutsy got my res right, even on the live cd
[11:50] <x3cion> Ever heard of a resolution of 1280x854?
[11:50] <clau30> yeah, there always are small isssues like that but still..
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> yeah, to get jaunty I had to do a clean install of intrepid, sort my video out, then upgrade to jaunty
[11:51] <eth-os> I'm on a machine with a 8200 nvidia so it's probably the drivers fault
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> nvidia ftw
[11:51] <yaa_> why i cannot make apt-get dist-upgrade&
[11:51] <yaa_> ?
[11:51] <x3cion> still better then ati
[11:52] <x3cion> yaa_, because you'll have to accept stuff
[11:52] <yaa_> ?
[11:52] <yaa_> what?
[11:52] <yaa_> what is it
[11:52] <x3cion> try apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[11:52] <x3cion> apt-get dist-upgrade -y &
[11:53] <x3cion> i dunno what it could say
[11:53] <x3cion> but thats probably dangerous
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: that will need sudo
[11:53] <x3cion> yeah, of course
[11:53] <yaa_> ше вщуы тще вщ фтнерштп
[11:54] <yaa_> does not do anything maybe i need to add a new repo&
[11:54] <x3cion> Whats the deal with the "&"?
[11:54] <yaa_> im doing sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: then add it to your commands if its needed or you'll get new users saying they got an error when they ran the command
[11:54] <yaa_> & means ?
[11:54] <yaa_> ))
[11:54] <clau30> yaa
[11:54] <yaa_> what
[11:54] <clau30> yaa_: there is another way
[11:54] <clau30> better way
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:54] <yaa_> which way
[11:54] <clau30> !upgrade
[11:54] <yaa_> i did all
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: are you trying to update your system, or jump to jaunty?
[11:55] <x3cion> and... nothing happens?
[11:55] <yaa_> i m on 8 10
[11:55] <clau30> yaa_: I did it with update-notifier-kde -u
[11:55] <clau30> works like a charm :)
[11:55] <clau30> yaa_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> this is why i prefer arch linux or gentoo
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> you dont have ll this release name stuff, you just upgrade forever, less hassle
[11:57] <x3cion> Is there a way to lock a cd drive in linux?
[11:57] <clau30> this is why I like to have the choice ;)
[11:57] <yaa_> thanx all
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: define "lock"
[11:57] <x3cion> so it doesnt open anymore
[11:58] <clau30> when you mount it, you can't open it
[11:58] <theuser1> what is the button meta+ctrl+f12        . what is meta button?
[11:58] <clau30> (mount it "by hand" I mean)
[11:58] <x3cion> even if its empty?
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: do you mean physically open?
[11:58] <x3cion> yes
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: ok, please be specific in future
[11:58] <clau30> theuser1: meta is usually the windows-key (if I remember correctly)
[11:59] <yaa_> could it be done through command line?
[11:59] <yaa_> i mean upgrade to jaunty
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: this may help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-637590.html
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> x3cion: i'd play with the command suggested
[11:59] <eth-os> I'm installing to a 4gb usbstick, does this sound sane after booting into it... disable ext3 journal so it becomes ext2,  mount /tmp /var/run and /var/log as tmpfs ... hmm, anything else ?
[12:00] <clau30> yaa_: don't know if dist-upgrade would work..
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: sure: kdesudo update-notifier-kde -u
[12:00] <theuser1> ok
[12:00] <yaa_> and what about ubuntu-desktop
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: if you are bootup to the usb you will not be ale to de-journal it
[12:01] <jtmoney> i'm on intrepid, if i run apt-get dist-upgrade, will that bring me up to jaunty?
[12:01] <clau30> bye all
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> jtmoney: no, sudo apt-get install update-notifier-kde; kdesudo update-notifier-kde -u
[12:01] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: of course, I'll do that before rebooting, and alter the fstab
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> !usb | eth-os
[12:01] <jtmoney> thanks
[12:01] <theuser1> in kde i just moved my moust and i saw all the windows in one screen. its not alt+tab. but all windows were on one screen . i just clicked one and it was maximised. . how can i do that again. ?
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: removing the journal will make the usb e written to less
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: you could also put swap on a different usb to save wear too (or just dont use one if you have sufficient ram for your needs)
[12:02] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: thanks but that assumes installing a livecd image to usb, I want to install it as a live running system, so I can update it normally
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: i think the cd has a usb installer now
[12:04] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: I'll probably disable the default swap partition and use a file, then create another swap file after a few months and leave the old one in place so it writes to a new area, rinse later repeat
[12:05] <eth-os> lather*
[12:05] <eth-os>  /me googling for kubuntu usb tricks
[12:06] <qcontinueum> When doing an "apt-get update", it encounters an error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libkipi0_0.1.6-2ubuntu3_i386.deb           what should i do?
[12:07] <eth-os> qcontinueum: rm it, apt-get update again and repeat
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get update
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: do you log in as root or someting?
[12:08] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: will try, thanks
[12:08] <Arjayus> Hmmm, my 9.04 install seems to be freezing in the "Configuring Apt" stage. It has frozen twice at 43% "Scanning the Mirror". any ideas?
[12:08] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: no but I often su -
[12:08] <kadoban> i seem to be having a problem getting flash to work after jaunty upgrade.  i was using flashplugin-nonfree without problem in intrepid.  i get no errors on the console from firefox, and i've tried reinstalling flashplugin-nonfree.  flash just doesn't seem to exist on any websites i try, and it's not in the firefox plugins list.  any ideas?
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: i wouldnt. sudo -i is recommended
[12:09] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: I thought they both did exactly the same thing?
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: no
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: su -   sets all evironment variables as root, also ANY files root touches it will take ownership of
[12:10] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: err, but that is what I want when I su -
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: sudo -i will use your users variables and you will also not harm permissions but you will have an elevated priveledge
[12:11] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: when I become root I want to be 100% root, but thanks for the tip
[12:11] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: after I run through those three commands, should i reboot if there aren't any errors?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: why, whats the difference to you as a user if you are true root or an elevated user?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: you're in linux, you only need to reboot if you install a new kernel
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:12] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: absolutely no restrictions, I am used to managing my system as root, anything else is weird
[12:13] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: about a second or two into the -f install, the system reboot icon showed up in the system tray
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: enablinig root account reduces security
[12:13] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: i can do that, but commands are currently going through
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: ok let them do what they gotta then pastebin the output
[12:14] <eth-os> ActionParsnip: I'd argue that a default sudo setup is less secure with any user being able to sudo with their own password, I'd rather have a specific root password
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: no, any user CAN'T sudo. it must be a member of te admin group
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: if its not in that group, it can't use sudo
[12:16] <spoony78> eth-os i believe only the first user can sudo..
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: you an add users to the admin group and they can use sudo
[12:17] <spoony78> eth-os: any users you create after the first initial user don't automatically get places in sudoers
[12:17] <domker> Hi, today i installed kubuntu 9.04 and i have problem with resolution =.= Does anyone help me?
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> eth-os: if you use adduser, the default is them NOT a member of admin
[12:17] <spoony78> action: Yes I know. I was reassuring him that by default only the first user goes in sudoers
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> domker: can you give the output of: lspci | grep -i vga
[12:18] <domker> oki moment
[12:18] <domker> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV630 PRO AGP [Radeon HD 2600 PRO AGP]
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> !ati | domker
[12:19] <dapper-daniel> hej!
[12:19] <dapper-daniel> ich hab probleme mit dem NetworkManager unter 9.04
[12:19] <eth-os> I've made more mistakes being a frustrated non-rrot user than I ever have as root, but that is just me... usbstick installed, time to reboot, thanks for all the help guys
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> !de | dapper-daniel
[12:19] <dapper-daniel> ups I'm sorry
[12:19] <WOFall> hey guys, i have a pc with XP and Ubuntu 8 installed.  How can i replace ubuntu with kubuntu, and still be able to boot to XP? The pc has no internet connection.
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> !aptoncd | WOFall
[12:20] <dapper-daniel> I have problems with NetworkManager in 9.04
[12:20] <WOFall> thanks
[12:20] <dapper-daniel> since yesterday NetworkManager doesnt connect zu wirlesess networks
[12:20] <spoony78> eth-os: the advice of becoming root /  not becoming root etc isnt something ubuntu invented.. It's a standard administration practice in professional unix environments for years now.
[12:20] <yoritomo> hello all
[12:20] <dapper-daniel> when I check it with iwconfig nothing is changed
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: not in gentoo, but i always configure it the same as ubuntu manually
[12:21] <spoony78> eth-os: But at the end of the day.. its all about choice.. and if its your own system you can do whatever you want however you want :) thats the cool thing about linux
[12:21] <dapper-daniel> the wrong essid is set etc
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> dapper-daniel: can you run: sudo iwlist scan
[12:21] <dapper-daniel> i can see the networks
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> dapper-daniel: thats cool
[12:21] <dapper-daniel> i tried knetworkmanager and a plasoid
[12:21] <spoony78> actionparsnip: err afaik we were only talking about kubuntu/ubuntu.. You could drop in *any distro name* and they'll do things differently.
[12:21] <dapper-daniel> but allways the same
[12:22] <peace_> dapper-daniel: wifi ? card?
[12:22] <dapper-daniel> i see the networks but when i say connect just nothings seems to happen
[12:22] <dapper-daniel> iwlang
[12:22] <peace_> dapper-daniel: have you an atheros?
[12:22] <dapper-daniel> the module is iwlang
[12:23] <dapper-daniel> think its an intel
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: you said its used as a standard admin practice in profesional unix environments..Gentoo is highly professional but doesnt employ sudo by default
[12:23] <dapper-daniel> i'm not sure
[12:23] <dapper-daniel> my laptop is new
[12:23] <peace_> dapper-daniel: cripted wif?
[12:23] <spoony78> action:  ah  yeah.. But you wont find gentoo in many enterprise environments
[12:23] <yoritomo> i just installed the final version 9.04 of kubuntu , how to install the "nouveau project"'s nvidia driver ?
[12:23] <dapper-daniel> what is a cripted wif?
[12:24] <peace_> wpa? wep?
[12:24] <dapper-daniel> wpa
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: we use it on our file servers, due to robustness
[12:24] <MarcoPau> hello, my kubuntu jackalope fails loading mysqld. it'll idle a few seconds on the loading of the daemon, then gives fail output
[12:24] <dapper-daniel> but i have other networks configured
[12:24] <spoony78> actionparsnip: solaris, RHEL, debian. (and by definition centos)..  etc
[12:24] <dapper-daniel> one without wep/wpa
[12:24] <peace_> dapper-daniel: i know there is some issue with wpa in 9.04
[12:24] <faileas> dapper-daniel: you can find out your wifi card with wifi config
[12:24] <dapper-daniel> and I think network manager should try to connect
[12:24] <faileas> peace_: wpa3
[12:24] <faileas> we
[12:24] <peace_> dapper-daniel: try without wpa
[12:24] <faileas> wpa2
[12:25] <dapper-daniel> ok
[12:25] <dapper-daniel> I think i will be back later
[12:25] <dapper-daniel> have to go now
[12:25] <peace_> ok
[12:25] <peace_> faileas: only wpa3?
[12:25] <faileas> er
[12:25] <peace_> faileas: i got a lots of isse with ath5k
[12:25] <faileas> wpa2
[12:25] <faileas> normal wpa works
[12:25] <spoony78> action: you'll find lots of variation.. but most enterprise environments use hardware that list specific distro's as supported.. Won't find much sun, HP or IBM servers listing "gentoo" as a tested platform.. so it generally wont get a look in for larger installations or corporate environments
[12:26] <peace_> faileas: i had yo install madwifi .... :) now it's wroking very fast and good
[12:26] <spoony78> action: I'm sure it gets used heaps in custom or smaller environments. for sure. Or large "very specifically tuned" environments.
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: we're quite large, we have some high notoriety customers
[12:26] <yoritomo> just need to install all the "nouveau packages " and that's done ?
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: but the shoes fits so we use it
[12:26] <spoony78> actionparsnip: Okay.. you win. not really in the mood for an argument.
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: i get your point. i'm not out to win. I'm just saying it can be used and it is professional
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: thats all im saying
[12:28] <spoony78> action: I agree completely.. I think gentoo is just as good if not better than lots of those distro's.. but it takes a lot more expertise and skills to set it up "properly".. and those skills aren't as common as people that are used to dropping in rhel/debian etc boxen.
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: true
[12:28] <spoony78> not as much hand holding in gentoo.
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: #gentoo ;)
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: gentoo handbook is a big hand to hold
[12:29] <WOFall> guys, if i want a fresh install, can i just use the kubuntu live cd and overwrite ubuntus partition? (and still boot xp)
[12:29] <WOFall> as long as i don't mess up the install :P
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: you can delete the ubuntu partitions, then install Kubuntu to the newly freed space, this will destroy ALL data on them so backup anything you need
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: you could also add the CD as a repository instead then install kubuntu-desktop from that
[12:30] <WOFall> it's ubuntu 8...
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: which is greatly less destructive but you will have both ubuntu and kubuntu libs on there
[12:30] <spoony78> action: Yeah.. I know :) But suits get nervous with things they havent many people that have heaps of experience with :)
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> spoony78: depends on howmay folks are in your team ;)
[12:31] <yoritomo> ActionParsnip, i just reinstalled the complete version of 9.04 and installed the Nouveau packages for Nvidia, but don't really find anything about it on the ubuntu doc
[12:31] <WOFall> if i delete the ubuntu partition i'll be deleting grub... :/
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: you will need to run: kdesudo nvidia-settings
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> WOFall: you will delete grubs settings but the grub will reinstall as part of the linux install and then will add the XP as a dual boot
[12:32] <yoritomo> ActionParsnip nvidia-settings is for the proprietary driver right ?
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: its for ALL nvidia
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: afaik
[12:32] <yaa_> 1230 mb !!OMG
[12:32] <WOFall> ok, thank you ActionParsnip, i might try that.
[12:33] <domker> @ActionParsnip : THX! Problem with resolution resolved :) :) :) //i just add resolution in display subsection (xorg.conf)
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: what for?
[12:33] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnips: those commands are done finally... here's the output you asked for: http://pastebin.com/m3d5d1fa4
[12:33] <yaa_> for upgrade
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> domker: awesome :D
[12:33] <yaa_> with my 128 kbit..ohhh
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: well you obviously have a lot of installed apps
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: yikes
[12:33] <yaa_> yes
[12:34] <yaa_> ((
[12:34] <yaa_> %(
[12:34] <yoritomo> ActionParsnip not working sorry
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: well each and every one will need upgrading to jaunty
[12:34] <yaa_> ive got both gnome and kde and xfce and a lot of stuff
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: thats why then
[12:34] <yaa_> yes i will do it at night
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> yaa_: you are upgrading 3 DEs worth of junk
[12:34] <yaa_> just for fun)
[12:35] <domker> why Neptomuk Semantic Desktop is default disabled?
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: ok what is the outpput of   lspci | grep -i vga
[12:35] <faileas> ActionParsnip: i got lxde working adequetely BTW
[12:35] <faileas> i just swapped my network card
[12:35] <spoony78> action: in our environment the windows guys get more team members.. they have more problems :)
[12:35] <yoritomo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> faileas: nice aint it
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[12:36] <faileas> ActionParsnip: 60 mb ram with nothing running ;)
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> faileas: cashback!!
[12:36] <faileas> ActionParsnip: hmm?
[12:36] <faileas> er. 41 ;p
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> faileas: still pretty sweet
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> faileas: could use flwm if you want the floor
[12:37] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: those commands are done finally... here's the output you asked for: http://pastebin.com/m3d5d1fa4
[12:37] <faileas> ActionParsnip: maybe bit i think this is usable enough for my needs
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: sudo dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libkipi0_0.1.6-2ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:38] <bvanhoorn> Moin Moin from Germany!
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: then run: sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: the deb has a conflicting file and is moaning so we just told it to write it anyway, the second command will then install all the other stuff
[12:40] <qcontinueum> ActionParsnip: ah, good to know. 437MB to download still, wow.
[12:41] <bvanhoorn> Good Luck! :)
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: use force in ubuntu with care
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: if you screw up your packages you will never be able to install or uninstall anything. Its the inherent weakness in package based distros
[12:41] <ameinzer> hallo boris
[12:41] <bvanhoorn> Hallo Artur!
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: you damage something key and it all comes tumbling down
[12:41] <aCid420> just installed kubuntu (jaunty) -> wicked sick !! i love it
[12:41] <qcontinueum> ah
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> qcontinueum: ask you have now just seen
[12:48] <yoritomo> heu i have a stupid question, CTRL-ALT-Backspce not working anymore under jaunty ?
[12:48] <bazhang> !dontzap
[12:49] <yoritomo> wow, that is new ?
[12:49] <yoritomo> :o
[12:49] <yoritomo> thanks
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: its disabled as some people were losing data after accidentally pressing it
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> apparently
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> had this out with an op in #ubuntu
[12:50] <yoritomo> ho really? i never experienced such problems
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> i think its ridiculous that its disabled
[12:51] <yoritomo> good to know
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> but  its cool it can be re-enabled
[12:51] <yoritomo> yes i think too
[12:51] <Siegfried_> Why is DSL option disabled in connections manager?How can I eneble it?
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> !pppoe
[12:52] <Siegfried_> I have configured pppoe through terminal
[12:52] <Siegfried_> before
[12:53] <Siegfried_> I have installed new kubuntu,and I see DSL tab grey...
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> thats all i know on adsl + ubuntu
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> Siegfried_: have you tried running network manager with kdesudo?
[12:54] <Siegfried_> ActionParsnip : you mean kdesudo pppoeconf?
[12:54] <Siegfried_> ActionParsnip : or something else?
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Siegfried_: kdesudo <whatever launches network manager>
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Siegfried_: try both
[12:55] <Siegfried_> ActionParsnip : Ok...I'll try...I have configured it before with sudo pppoeconf
[12:55] <yoritomo> after disabling dontzap still same, needs a reoot ?
[12:55] <Siegfried_> !restricted
[13:01] <MarcoPau> hello, my kubuntu jackalope fails loading mysqld. it'll idle a few seconds on the loading of the daemon, then gives fail output
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> MarcoPau: read   dmesg | less
[13:05] <MarcoPau> ActionParsnip: no errors in there, just a few lines like type=1505 audit(1240561918.985:18): operation="profile_replace" name="/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi" name2="default" pid=5736
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> MarcoPau: hmm, does sql create logs any place
[13:06] <MarcoPau> ActionParsnip: that's what I first checked, but under /var/log all mysql files are empty
[13:06] <faileas> y
[13:09] <ForeverSmurf> I can't get the flash firefox plugin to work, I have re-installed both firefox and flashplugin-nonfree but still no joy
[13:09] <ForeverSmurf> any ideas?
[13:09] <ForeverSmurf> oh, this is after updating to 9.04
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> ForeverSmurf: 32bit ubuntu or 64bit?
[13:10] <x3cion> DId you install flashplugin-installer ?
[13:11] <ForeverSmurf> 32bit
[13:11] <floown> hello
[13:11] <ForeverSmurf> no, I do not have flashplugin-installer
[13:11] <ForeverSmurf> I can't even see that package un synaptic
[13:12] <x3cion> Its multiverse
[13:12] <ForeverSmurf> do I need it?
[13:12] <x3cion> well, its it
[13:12] <ForeverSmurf> oh, what is flashplugin-nonfree then?
[13:13] <x3cion> a transitional package since 9.04 i think
[13:13] <x3cion> thats what synaptic says
[13:13] <ForeverSmurf> sorry, I should have read that. Thank you x3cion
[13:17] <aldin> how can i change icons in firefox on kde4 qtcurve theme, when i choose clearlooks i can edit .gtkrc... file and add line icon-thmeme, but in this qtcurve or qt4 it wont?
[13:17] <ForeverSmurf> I think there is something wrong with my repositories
[13:17] <ForeverSmurf> I still can't see flashplugin-installer with synaptic even though apt-get from command line says it is installed
[13:17] <ForeverSmurf> I'm such a noob
[13:17] <peace_> aldin: sudo apt-get install gtk-qt-engine
[13:18] <peace_> aldin: then sysstem settings --->apparance-->gtk stuff
[13:18] <peace_> appareance
[13:18] <aldin> peace_: i have that, you didt get me, i want to change icon theme in firefox, firefox uses qtcurve theme
[13:19] <floown> I have a prob with nvidia driver on Jaunty. I can't activate the restricted driver in the driver panel. I have installed manually the last package driver but it don't appear in the panel
[13:19] <aldin> but i cant change qtcurve (gtk style) icons it uses crystal and i want tango
[13:20] <peace_> aldin: mm i don't know i think you have to install stuff gtk
[13:20] <peace_> aldin: i use qt curve and stop
[13:20] <peace_> it's pretty good in that way
[13:20] <peace_> or you can install gnome :)
[13:20] <ForeverSmurf> I remember reading about some new package manager under 9.04
[13:20] <aldin> peace_: i dont say its bad, just dont like ff home icon
[13:20] <ForeverSmurf> is that available?
[13:20] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: kpackagekit
[13:20] <ForeverSmurf> ty
[13:21] <peace_> yw
[13:21] <aldin> peace_: when i change to lets say Clearlooks in KDE control center, after that i can edit .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 and put gtk-icon-theme-name="Tango"
[13:21] <bvanhoorn> Ärsche!
[13:22] <aldin> peace_: and it works, but if i put qtcurve in kde gtk-qt module it wont aply, it seems like hardcoceded
[13:22] <peace_> aldin: i am sorry i am not a fan of gnome stuff
[13:22] <peace_> i use pure kde
[13:22] <peace_> i use konqueror and arora
[13:23] <ForeverSmurf> what is arora?
[13:23] <peace_> arora is a qt web browser with webkit engine
[13:23] <peace_> i use arora -style mac
[13:23] <peace_> :)
[13:24] <faileas> arora is nice ;)
[13:24] <faileas> hmm
[13:24] <ForeverSmurf> does konqueror and arora use same webkit?
[13:24] <x3cion> ForeverSmurf, you have to enable the multiverse repository
[13:24]  * faileas is getting a decent download speed off the mirror
[13:24] <x3cion> to get the non free plugins
[13:24] <x3cion> packages*
[13:24] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: arara handles bettere webkit
[13:24] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: for now
[13:24] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: for ex flash works perfectly
[13:24] <x3cion> Scrolling is really slow in my konqueror. The question is, why?
[13:25] <peace_> x3cion: here on a intel graphic card works fine
[13:25] <x3cion> peace_, Opera works fine, yes
[13:25] <x3cion> Konqueror doesnt
[13:25] <ForeverSmurf> I think I have multiverse enabled. I have ticked the box under software sources that says 'Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse)'
[13:25] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: you mean arora?
[13:26] <ForeverSmurf> x3cion, I think I have found a synaptic bug (or I don't know how to use it)
[13:26] <peace_> ati?
[13:26] <ForeverSmurf> the package flashplugin-installer appears under the new kpackagekit but not synaptic
[13:26] <x3cion> peace_, yes, radeon driver
[13:27] <ForeverSmurf> arora is nice ;-)
[13:27] <aldin> peace_: /usr/share/themes/QtCurve/gtk-2.0 i found that and i have files icons3  icons4
[13:27] <ForeverSmurf> simple
[13:27] <peace_> x3cion: That' is why
[13:27] <x3cion> no fix?
[13:27] <peace_> x3cion: i dunno  maybe change driver
[13:27] <peace_> x3cion: i have an intel it works perfectly
[13:27] <x3cion> peace_, to vesa? :D
[13:28] <peace_> x3cion: xD what i have to say buy a nvidia next time if youi wanna play if you have to use only in the office intel works good too and they are cheaper
[13:29] <rmrfslash_> x3cion: what's the problem w/ ATI (I have one)?
[13:29] <rmrfslash_> x3icon: maybe I can help
[13:29] <ForeverSmurf> I thought ati were a lot better drivers than the nvidia ones.
[13:29] <x3cion> rmrfslash, scrolling in konqueror is terribly slow
[13:29] <ForeverSmurf> I have nvidia but until 3months ago I could not run kde4 with nvidia
[13:30] <x3cion> rmrfslash, and my internal display (laptop) has a wrong resolution on startup
[13:30] <ForeverSmurf> and I only stoped having crashing in last month with their latest driver
[13:30] <peace_> ForeverSmurf: no the had opened their mind to open source but nvidia works better for now
[13:30] <x3cion> even though, xrandr shows the right resolution and even marks it as default
[13:30] <ForeverSmurf> peace, i see
[13:30] <rmrfslash_> x3cion: hrm. maybe try forcing it into xorg.conf?
[13:31] <x3cion> peace_, yeah, I thought about getting a nvidia card for my home pc to remove windows from it, but after updating to 9.04, my graphics card doesnt work anymore and i was too lazy to fix it yet
[13:31] <x3cion> rmrfslash, yeah, i would, but how? the modeline stuff looks kinda difficult to me
[13:32] <peace_> i am very happy with my intel d
[13:32] <rmrfslash_> ForeverSmurf: Yeah Nvidia restricted drivers are notoriously better than ATI. Nvidio "open source driver" is just reverse engineered junk. Novell has all the specs for ATI boards and they're in the process of making open source drivers,
[13:32] <peace_> for the office is very very nice
[13:32] <ForeverSmurf> to be honest the driver problem under linux is down to lack of standards and alot of new developement in Xorg. But the situation is getting better. Ie xrandr support is comming soon which means that linux will finally have comprehensive mutlimonitor support
[13:33] <rmrfslash_> I got dual-displays working once. It was amazing.
[13:34] <rmrfslash_> Always takes a lot of breakage before success though
[13:34] <peace_> :) i got my svideo on my intel
[13:34] <peace_> xD
[13:34] <peace_> fantastic
[13:34] <ForeverSmurf> I have been using dual-displays for years now. but I have used about 3 different techniques during that time
[13:34] <ForeverSmurf> now I use the nvidia native multi-monitor support (which is actually alot like how the new xrandr stuff works)
[13:34] <x3cion> since xrandr I have no problem with having 2 displays anymore
[13:35] <ForeverSmurf> does ati support xrandr already?
[13:35] <faileas> peace_: is it a fairly old box?
[13:35] <x3cion> well, radeon driver does
[13:35] <ForeverSmurf> nice
[13:35] <x3cion> i read once that you can turn it on in fglrx too
[13:35]  * peace_ had compiled kernel and xrandr doesn't work anymore :D
[13:35] <rmrfslash_> It's all about the open source drivers man. They're gunna swing the pendulum to ATI
[13:35] <peace_> faileas: it's a toshiba laptop 2 years of life
[13:36] <peace_> and it's pretty good on video editing
[13:36] <x3cion> I just hope that there'll be working drivers some day
[13:36] <rmrfslash_> Right now radeon and radeonhd are around 1995 in terms of supported features.
[13:36] <rmrfslash_> for some boards.
[13:36] <rmrfslash_> like mine.
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash_: depends what functionality you need
[13:38] <x3cion> I see alot of people using quassel
[13:40] <rmrfslash_> 3D acceleration would be good?
[13:41] <x3cion> rmrfslash, High target :D
[13:41] <rmrfslash_> I  know. That pesky 3D acceleration.
[13:41] <rmrfslash_> Right now I'm using XRender compositing
[13:41] <rmrfslash_> and MESA
[13:42] <x3cion> OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project
[13:42] <angeltech> i have opengl
[13:43] <rmrfslash_> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project  :(
[13:43] <angeltech> ihave support
[13:43] <ForeverSmurf> hurray   fluffy bunny plasma theme is back!!!!!!
[13:44] <ForeverSmurf> they should be able to make a matching theme for kwin in kde 4.3 (ARGB decos)
[13:45] <faileas> lol
[13:45] <x3cion> Wanna see something weird?
[13:45] <x3cion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/157040/
[13:46] <x3cion> But it's starting up with 1280x854 for LVDS
[13:46] <rmrfslash_> I just read Mesa can render 3D using certain GPUs
[13:46] <rmrfslash_> (not mine of course)
[13:47] <x3cion> they just dont want to see you happy :P
[13:49] <gier> hullo
[13:50] <dhendu9411> has anyone upgraded to 9.04
[13:50] <gier> got a bit of a problem, dudes
[13:50] <x3cion> gier, your flash isnt working?
[13:50] <gier> heh ... no, that one's sorted
[13:51] <w-heat> dhendu9411: of course
[13:51] <gier> kmail on 9.04. crashes each time i try to open an email that requests a delivery notification
[13:51] <gier> had to open it up with alpine first, to have it marked as read
[13:51] <gier> then it's golden
[13:52] <gier> i think i'll go file a bug report
[13:52] <dhendu9411> w-heat: I am using 8.10 and wanted to know if there was anything I needed to do prior to updating.  I read that I must uninstall existing desktop widgets and that mysql will be installed.  Is this correct?
[13:52] <gier> behaviour not evident in opensuse11.1 with kde 4.2.2
[13:53] <w-heat> dhendu9411: mysql will be installed; I have upgraded on 2 machines. One went perfectly via upgrade the other did not and I had to reset the desktop and fix grub.
[13:53] <dhendu9411> w-heat: is there anyway to not install mysql?
[13:53] <w-heat> dhendu9411: the one that didn't go fine still booted, but into the wrong kernel, so it wasn't that the whole system was borked
[13:54] <w-heat> dhendu9411: not as far as I know... you can uninstall akondai (which is what uses it I think) after the upgrade
[13:54] <dhendu9411> w-heat: yeah i think that is what uses it.  What does akondai do?
[13:54] <w-heat> dhendu9411: I think it's the in-built search
[13:55] <w-heat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akonadi
[13:55] <dhendu9411> w-heat: ahhh.... yeah I can just continue to use 'find' or 'locate'
[13:55] <dhendu9411> w-heat: are there any specific updates that made you glad you switched to 9.04?
[13:56] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: kde 4.2
[13:56] <w-heat> dhendu9411: kde 4.2.2 is great, but I also wanted packages for MonoDevelop and Amarok that were only in Jaunty
[13:56] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: aside from bug fixes, anything else?
[13:57] <dhendu9411> w-heat: amarok 2.x?
[13:57] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: Ummmm.... ya know, to be 100% honest, they fixed things that were broke and broke things that were fixed. I think they fixed more than they broke though. It's work the upgrade IMO.
[13:58] <rmrfslash_> *worth
[13:58] <w-heat> dhendu9411: yeah amarok 2.2, there's also a new xine lib, but it's still broken for 24 bit FLAC, which upsets me :P
[13:58] <w-heat> errr, 2.0.1 maybe actually
[13:58] <jmalinens> Hi! I have fresh ubuntu 8.04 LTS + virtualmin. Why I can not access my main domain name mysite.org but www.mysite.org works? Thank You!
[13:58] <dhsmith> just trying this out --- first time irc
[13:58] <dhsmith> ignore me
[13:59] <dhendu9411> thanks guys for the info on 9.04 (w-heat and rmrfslash)
[13:59] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: personally I liked networkmanager applet better than this plasmoid thing
[14:00] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: do you know where I can see a pic?  what made the old one better?
[14:00] <w-heat> I think that networkmanager using the wallet is so irritating if you have a password set
[14:00] <ForeverSmurf> I like the new one ;-)
[14:00] <ForeverSmurf> neater
[14:00] <ForeverSmurf> same functionality
[14:00] <w-heat> for wireless passes
[14:00] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: worked better and supported stuff better (like broadband access)
[14:01] <buzzDrive> hi
[14:01] <eagles0513875> can anyone confirm this bug for me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/366020
[14:01] <dhendu9411> w-heat: i also don't use the wallet.  i don't like it.
[14:02] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: do you get dropped connections?
[14:02] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: it added that "map" thing which is kind of neat, but when I enable and disable my wireless adapter 4 or 5 times in a row I can actually crash the entire machine. Granted, who would ever do that... but hey
[14:02] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: no, no dropped connections
[14:02] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: Again, these are only my experiences. Not everyones. Some ppl are having a very positive experience.
[14:02] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: that sounds like an issue.  i agree that nobody should be doing that, but that also shouldn't happen.
[14:03] <dhendu9411> foreversmurf: have you had any issues with it?
[14:03] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: Agreed. Also, I didn't have to use kppp for broadband w/ knetworkmanager applet but now I do cuz the plasmoid just won't cooperate w/ me.
[14:04] <w-heat> I've had no issues other than having to set a blank wallet password so that it doesn't prompt me for wireless passwords
[14:04] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: not the end of the world, but one more app I need to deal w/ from old-skool kde.
[14:04] <dhendu9411> w-heat, rmrfslash: did you have to reconfigure the system after the upgrade?  When I went from 8.04 to 8.10, I had lost everything in my widgets (notepad for example).
[14:05] <dhendu9411> w-heat: did you also have to use the kppp for broadband?
[14:05] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: lot of the widgets and stuff just aren't compatible from release to release from what I understand. I'm not surprised that stuff gets lost. I don't use a lot of widgets/plasmoids though
[14:06] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: so far, I don't either.  Just the notepad thing and the analog clock.
[14:06] <dhendu9411> I am interested in hacking some widgets/plasmoids, but can't without 4.2.x of KDE.  I visit the api section, but it seems like they aren't releasing the api's yet.
[14:07] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: yeah, read above. I didn't have to use kppp w/ knetworkmanager applet. Never had to plug in any credentials or anything. But they moved to this plasmoid networkmanager which looks pretty, but from _my experience_ simply doesn't cooperate as well as knm did.
[14:08] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: ohhh mis-read sorry.
[14:08] <dhendu9411> well gang... looks like I'm off to install the 9.04.  wish me luck!
[14:08] <rmrfslash_> For example, everytime I want to connect to a network that I've configured once already (and for some reason the plasmoid isn't connecting automatically) I click on it and rather than looking in the configured networks table it makes a new entry.
[14:09] <rmrfslash_> Asks me for my WEP password and everything.
[14:09] <bouin> Hello, I am facing problem in using Kubuntu 9.04 with my ATI RADEON HD 2400 XT, when I enable xinerama, it seems like at the reboot everything freeze, thanks for your time
[14:09] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: that sucks.  on both machines that were upgraded it does that?
[14:10] <darkenergy> rmrfslash: does it support the creation of adhoc wireless networks?
[14:10] <rmrfslash_> darkenergy: yeah
[14:10] <dhendu9411> actually bouin brings another question to mind.  does anyone use multiple monitors with 9.04?
[14:11] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: I say upgrade cuz KDE 4.2 is worth it alone IMO. KDE 4.1 was just one giant bug.
[14:11] <bouin> Yes i am using two monitors
[14:11] <eagles0513875> how can i run a back trace on a plasma widget
[14:11] <bouin> dhendu9411: Yes i am using two monitors
[14:12] <dhendu9411> bouin: do you resolutions stay set now with 9.04?  With 8.10, both monitors worked, but they always defaulted to the lowest resolution.  I had to manually change them everytime I booted.
[14:13] <rmrfslash_> dhendu9411: like right now, I just expanded my network manager applet and it's showing my network from home w/ a strong signal strength. I've been on a train for like 45 mins :)
[14:13] <rmrfslash_> oops I meant network amnager plasmoid
[14:13] <bouin> dhendu9411: I was on Kubuntu 8.04 just before, I cannot help for Kubuntu 8.10
[14:14] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: so that is probably a bug
[14:14] <rmrfslash_> It even says I'm connected to my home network and that I have an IP address :)
[14:14] <dhendu9411> bouin: I am asking if you have that problem with 9.04
[14:14] <bouin> dhendu9411: I am currently downloading the ATI drivers from their website I don't know if it could resolv something
[14:14] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: that interesting.  but your adapters don't reflect that right?
[14:14] <eagles0513875> rmrfslash: thats impossible to be honest. i do have a question does your network-manager plasmoid sigsev11 after logging in
[14:14] <bouin> dhendu9411: Yes i have the problem with 9.04
[14:15] <dhendu9411> bouin: do you have issues with both monitor resolutions?
[14:15] <eagles0513875> rmrfslash: i mean the kde4 daemon
[14:15] <rmrfslash_> ifconfig does not show that I have an IP address from my home network 50 miles away... no :)
[14:15] <darkenergy> rmrfslash_: how about iwconfig?
[14:15] <bouin> dhendu9411: yes just one of them work, and when i try to enable xinerama, when i restart X it freezes
[14:16] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: i would hope not :)  I just wanted to make sure the adapters were actually working even though the plasmoid isn't (so-to-speak)
[14:16] <eagles0513875> darkenergy: he would need to use ifconfig iwconfig shows just your connection speed the network one is connected to
[14:16] <rmrfslash_> darkenergy: strangely it says I'm connected to my neighbors network
[14:17] <rmrfslash_> darkenergy: which I was using last week because Cox was giving me trouble
[14:17] <dhendu9411> bouin: I can't help you with that issue.  I would say to do what you are already doing which is upgrade the driver.  I was just interested in knowing if the upgrade to 9.04 fixed the monitor resolution issue.
[14:17] <darkenergy> rmrfslash_: maybe your neighbor is on the train :)
[14:17] <doleyb> Can someone say why the jaunty upgrade removed guidance-power-manager?  And if there's a replacement that's better?
[14:17] <rmrfslash_> darkenergy: I'm pretty sure that's not the case
[14:17] <dhendu9411> lol
[14:18] <eagles0513875> doleyb: there is a power manager plasmoid now did you upgrade from intrepid to jaunty or is this a clean install of jaunty
[14:18] <doleyb> eagles0513875: its an upgrade
[14:18] <bouin> dhendu9411: I will keep you update on my progress, because I could need you help if it does not work because I will probably retry 8.10 . . . I am currently at work and I just spend one day to solve my monitor problem LOL !!!
[14:18] <rmrfslash_> power management plasmoid works! No problems
[14:18] <rmrfslash_> :D
[14:19] <eagles0513875> doleyb: one thing i did notice back during beta the upgrade form intrepid to jaunty leaves alot of outdated stuff like the old network manager as well as adept which has been replaced with something else
[14:19] <dhendu9411> bouin: lol  I hope the driver update resolves the issue
[14:19] <rmrfslash_> Why doesn't GTK use better icons... serioulsy.
[14:19] <doleyb> eagles0513875: how can i find teh new power manager?  or even better, documentation for it?
[14:19] <rmrfslash_> GNOME that is
[14:19] <rmrfslash_> not gtk
[14:19] <bouin> dhendu9411: yes i Hope too, what card do you have ATI ?
[14:20] <eagles0513875> doleyb: do you have the plasmoids installed
[14:20] <eagles0513875> doleyb: if you do go look through the list of plasmoids and it should be there
[14:20] <dhendu9411> doleyb: If I recall properly, I read on the kubuntu site to uninstall any plasmoids prior to the upgrade to 9.04
[14:20] <MobiusCoffee> Quick question.  On Kubuntu, certain items will be bold in the taskbar.  Is there a way to stop this?
[14:20] <dhendu9411> rmrfslash: I know what you mean.  Its like looking at windows 95!  lol
[14:20] <doleyb> eagles0513875, dhendu9411: in add widgets?  i don't see anything apropos.
[14:21] <MobiusCoffee> s/certain things/the active program/
[14:21] <dhendu9411> bouin: ummm I am using a dell 1525 laptop which uses and Intel
[14:22] <bouin> dhendu9411: oh ok so probably the problem is different ;-)
[14:22] <dhendu9411> bouin: I think so :)
[14:22] <canen> anyone finding kmail really slow after yesterday's updates? I was running the rc but didn't experience this problem
[14:23] <dhendu9411> doleyb: I don't have 9.04 so I can't help.  I have been asking questions prior to upgrading.
[14:25] <doleyb> rmrfslash: where can i find power managerment plasmoid?
[14:26] <rmrfslash_> doleyb: did you right click on the panel (or desktop) and go to "Add Widgets"
[14:26] <doleyb> rmrfslash: yes, then what?
[14:27] <rmrfslash_> should be in there
[14:27] <rmrfslash_> Scroll down to Battery Monitor
[14:27] <ederico> hello, I just upgraded from Kubuntu 8.10 to Kubuntu 9.04 and I have a problem, the network management applet doesn't appear and I cannot connect to my wi-fi, wired ethernet works fine but I need wi-fi, used to work before
[14:27] <Beazel> Eh up, I don't suppose anyone would be able to give me a bit information on setting up a mobile broadband connection?
[14:28] <rmrfslash_> beazel: you can try using the plasmoid or kppp
[14:28] <doleyb> rmrfslash: I don't want a battery monitor.
[14:28] <rmrfslash_> oh you want power management
[14:28] <rmrfslash_> go to system settings >advanced
[14:29] <Beazel> doleyb: I've been tootling around the plasmoid, filled in the APN, Username and Password all correct, but there's a box that's asking for "Network" and doesn't want to let me connect without it"
[14:30] <doleyb> rmrfslash_: is PowerDevil something new?
[14:30] <bo0ts__> doleyb: It has been around for some time now.
[14:31] <henry_BR> I download alternate cd, kubuntu 9.04, and i can't upgrade my kubuntu 8.10.... I try kdesudo "/media/iso/cdromupgrade" and it start but... during the process it requires a internet connection.... Must I have this internet connection?? I guessed the cd was to upgrade without the internet... How can I do it? thank you
[14:34] <doleyb> rmrfslash_: So I don't see any way to get a widget which swaps power settings.  Oh well, maybe I must look for that feature elsewhere.
[14:34] <Beazel> Does anyone know what needs to be typed in the "Network" box in "Network Management" when setting up a Mobile Broadband connection?
[14:35] <doleyb> Beazel: Isn't that just a label for your reference?
[14:36] <Beazel> doleyb: I'm thinking it might be, but something's stopping me connecting...  Got all the details right, just doesn't seem to fly...
[14:36] <Beazel> I'll have another bash with it, but I'm napidly running out of things to try!
[14:36] <Beazel> Rapidly even...
[14:37] <ederico_> I solved my problem, no worries! Thanks anyways
[14:38] <GRiD> hey folks, problems on upgrade to jaunty: #1, no more networking icon in the taskbar. when i start it manually, it won't connect to wireless. saw at least 2 posts about this in forums but no solutions, anyone know?
[14:38] <Beazel> Also, it seems to be recognising my Huwaii E160 as an E220, do you happen to know if this is a bug?
[14:38] <canen> strange, before when i used XAA i got some weird issues now it seems to be working better than EXA
[14:39] <tsimpson> GRiD: did you read the release notes?
[14:39] <tsimpson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Network%20management%20applet%20must%20be%20re-added%20on%20Kubuntu%20upgrade
[14:40] <GRiD> embarrasingly i had a problem finding them. thanks
[14:40] <tsimpson> it *should* link to it in the upgrade tool, not sure if it actually does
[14:41] <GRiD> it may have, but when i went back and tried to find a link from the web, couldn't find it
[14:42] <tsimpson> the info is also on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release
[14:42] <GRiD> there really should be something here, which is the most obvious link from the front page: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes
[14:42] <GRiD> ok thanks
[14:42] <Beazel> doleyb: Thanks for advice, I've just tried it in a Windows machine and it don't work there either.  I'm thinking that the network's got problems rather than me!  Cheers!
[14:43] <tsimpson> GRiD: there should be, but ubuntu.com cares not about kubuntu
[14:43] <tsimpson> or so it seems anyway
[14:44] <GRiD> well, not even the normal ubuntu 9.04 is there
[14:45] <tsimpson> oh, it does
[14:45] <tsimpson> it's just not linked
[14:45] <tsimpson> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[14:45] <Beazel> GRiD: I think they put a link on the download page but it's in letters so small you'd barely notice  without Ctrl-Fing the thing
[14:46] <Beazel> I didn't notice them 'cos Firefox put the DL dialog in front of it...
[14:46] <GRiD> ok well thanks for the help, i'll try the work around. my other problem is apparently also listed here: "Performance regressions on Intel graphics cards". it's really terrible
[14:47] <Beazel> GRiD: You're doing the upgrade right?
[14:48] <GRiD> well, it's done, yes
[14:48] <Beazel> Not sure it'll help with your thing but I've learned the hard way, "When in doubt, do a clean install"
[14:49] <Beazel> Had a problem with my old wireless card a while back,
[14:49] <GRiD> yikes. no time for that right now. hope it's solvable
[14:49] <Beazel> Should have been working, did EVERYTHING over a period of like, 3 days,
[14:50] <Beazel> Then tried a clean install just on the off-chance and it worked out of the box
[14:50] <Beazel> Never did figure out what the problem was either...
[14:50] <tsimpson> GRiD: try the "forwardported" driver, fixed it 100% for me
[14:50] <tsimpson> GRiD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4
[14:51] <ct529> anyone who tried 904?
[14:51] <Beazel> Right, I'm off to try and beat this USB dongle into submission.
[14:54] <Morydd> is it unusual for top to show kded4 using >90% CPU?
[14:58] <ct529> anyone who already updated to 904? have you had any difficulty / problem?
[14:59] <faileas> Morydd: well, it shouldn't be happening
[14:59] <Morydd> faileas: I suspected as much. Any ideas what would cause that/how to fix it?
[15:00] <faileas> Morydd: fraid not
[15:02] <genii> Morydd: Do you have multiple cores?
[15:03] <comfanter> I installed kubuntu9.04 a moment ago
[15:04] <comfanter> Although I have windows and ubuntu8.04
[15:04] <ct529> comfanter: how did it go? did you upgrade from 810?
[15:04] <Morydd> genii: yes. 2
[15:04] <Jonty> I've upgraded to Jaunty and added my wireless network and set it to automatically log in, but it doesn't. I have to go into the settings and put in the wallet password first. Then, if it disconnects later the panel freezes and I have to restart in order to connect again.
[15:05] <Jonty> I never thought I'd say this, but is it possible to switch back to KNetworkManager?
[15:05] <ct529> Jonty: I like KNetworkManager
[15:05] <genii> Morydd: When you hit 1  in top, shows one core running near capacity and the other other idle?
[15:06] <Jonty> ct529: I'd like it if it let you make NetworkManager log you in at boot, not at KDE start. Either way, it's miles better than what I have now.
[15:07] <comfanter> NO,I downloaded  and installed  it
[15:07] <Morydd> genii: yes.
[15:07] <eagles0513875> Jonty: i think knetworkmanager is in the repos
[15:08] <Jonty> eagles0513875: I have it, sure, it just won't let me use it
[15:08] <Morydd> seems to be switching from time to time which is at cap and which is idle
[15:08] <eagles0513875> Jonty: do you use it to connect to a wifi network or wired network
[15:09] <comfanter> But it isn't stable yet
[15:09] <genii> Morydd: I've seen this previously and it involves passing some kernel option at boot to fix it. But offhand cannot recall the option
[15:09] <ct529> comfanter: thanks a lot, I am going to wait :)
[15:09] <Jonty> eagles0513875: wifi
[15:10] <eagles0513875> Jonty: i would advise against using knetworkmanager i used to try to get it to connect to wifi but it would never work. the new networkmanager plasmoid works  flawlessly with wifi and wired
[15:10] <Jonty> the new what?
[15:10] <ct529> cdoes anyone know a tool to switch locak you computer every hour for 10 minutes? Something like an ergonomic helper!
[15:10] <Jonty> Ill check that out
[15:10] <GRiD> so my problems are deeper than just adding the knetworkmanager applet back in ... after upgrade, my wireless doesn't appear to work at all. it's recognized and drivers are loaded, but it doesn't find any access points. sigh. this upgrades a total bust for me.
[15:10] <Jonty> still, for me, it needs the wallet password before doing anything
[15:11] <ct529> sorry, does anyone know a tool to *LOCK* you computer every hour for 10 minutes? Something like an ergonomic helper!
[15:12] <Jonty> oh, by the way, does anyone know how to make sure the networking and batter life plasmoids don't have black text on a slightly darker black background?
[15:13] <eagles0513875> Jonty: the new plasmoid uses the wallet as well
[15:13] <GRiD> ct529, rsibreak
[15:13] <eagles0513875> Jonty: did you change the appearance
[15:14] <eagles0513875> i changed the color appearence to a dark grayish black but the text on the plasmoids is white on a dark color for me
[15:14] <Jonty> eagles0513875: yeah, how do I get back to some sort of default?
[15:15]  * Dillizar will never remove Kubuntu 8.04
[15:15] <Jonty> Dillizar: you're not missing much, I have to say
[15:15] <eagles0513875> Jonty: go back to appearence and change it back to default
[15:16] <Dillizar> Jonty just buggs i am missing :D
[15:16] <Jonty> eagles0513875: ok, my colour scheme is the default, but plasmoids are still fairly unreadable
[15:16] <Jonty> same colour scheme for them as before
[15:17] <eagles0513875> Jonty: im not sure i assumed you change the appearace of the color :( never had that happen to me before to be honest
[15:19] <Dillizar> so ppl how is the kubuntu 9.04
[15:20] <faileas> Dillizar: other than the irc client, i love it
[15:20] <GRiD> Dillizar, it broke my wireless and made my graphics crawl. ymmv :)
[15:20] <Dragnslcr> faileas- don't like Quassel?
[15:21] <faileas> Dragnslcr: 'fraid not
[15:21] <faileas> nice idea, but i want my tabbed channels, and the abillity to disconnect from a single channel.
[15:21] <GiantTalkingCow> Downloading it right now to give it a try myself... I gave the normal Ubuntu and Xubuntu a whirl and found them wanting. How's Kubuntu working for all of you, so far?
[15:21] <EagleScreen> faileas: test KDE4 version of konversation
[15:22] <bigjocker> i'll use quassel when it allows me to change the background color
[15:22] <GiantTalkingCow> Oh, they're porting Konversation? Good, I'd heard differently.
[15:22] <eagles0513875> Dillizar: please take non support questions to kubuntu-offtopic channel plz
[15:22] <eagles0513875> GiantTalkingCow: ya they are its not in jaunty but the kde3 version is in the repos
[15:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:23] <Jonty> GiantTalkingCow: wireless is dodgy, it won't let you automatically log in, you have to go to settings and put in the wallet password first
[15:23] <bigjocker> konversation does not look 'integrated' in KDE4
[15:23] <eagles0513875> Jonty: that is true if you want to file a bug i can confirm that for ya
[15:23] <GiantTalkingCow> Jonty: I'd heard. Thankfully, I'm installing this on a PC that's plugged directly into my router, so it's no big deal.
[15:23] <EagleScreen> anyone can test a snapshot of KDE4 version of konversation, there are packages here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=konversation&searchon=names&suite=experimental&section=all
[15:24] <ct529> GRiD: thanks looking at it
[15:24] <eagles0513875> !ot
[15:24] <siegfried_> !restricted
[15:24] <Jonty> eagles0513875: cool
[15:24] <eagles0513875> do you know where to file bugs Jonty
[15:24] <Jonty> ye
[15:24] <Jonty> s
[15:25] <Jonty> I also know how to press the enter key too well, it would seem
[15:25] <faileas> EagleScreen: there's one?
[15:25] <faileas> EagleScreen: can i use it alongside the KDE3 one?
[15:25] <eagles0513875> Jonty: just checking
[15:25] <bigjocker> EagleScreen, can we install that package just by dpkg installing it?
[15:25] <siegfried_> has anyone had crashing problems with 9.04?
[15:25] <eagles0513875> faileas: any app that still hasnt been ported can be run along side kde4 apps
[15:25] <EagleScreen> faileas: I think not
[15:25] <Jonty> eagles0513875: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/349445
[15:26] <bigjocker> EagleScreen, or are there any extra dependencies?
[15:26] <faileas> EagleScreen: i'll bookmark it and try it in a VM first then
[15:26] <eagles0513875> bigjocker: you will most likely have to compile stuff in svn
[15:26] <bigjocker> oh
[15:26] <EagleScreen> bigjocker: install it with dpkg or gdebi
[15:26] <bigjocker> ok
[15:26] <ct529> GRiD: great! Exactly what I was looking for! thanks!
[15:27] <GRiD> ct529, np. i've used it for over a year, works great.
[15:28] <Dragnslcr> bigjocker- the background color for Quassel follows your KDE color scheme
[15:28] <Jonty> eagles0513875: ah ha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/350301
[15:28] <eagles0513875> Jonty: i also confirmed that first bug that you linked
[15:29] <bigjocker> hmm
[15:29] <bigjocker> nice
[15:29] <ct529> GRiD: yes, somethingwe loose sight of the time .... :)
[15:29]  * bigjocker using konversation for KDE 4.2.2
[15:30] <eagles0513875> the 2nd bug i cant really confirm the 1st i can
[15:30] <Jonty> eagles0513875: well that's the one I'd have filed
[15:31] <eagles0513875> Jonty: can you clarify what you mean by how to store the key in the wallet
[15:33] <eagles0513875> hey ActionParsnip how are you today
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: not bad, you?
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> does anyone know how I can disable IPv6?
[15:34] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: not bad either just helping out in here
[15:34] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: you have to blacklist it somewhere i forgot where though
[15:34] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i had to do it once cuz of opera browser using ipv6 to connect to sites and timing out
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> erusual just gave me the link
[15:34] <ct529> can anyone suggest a good primer on object oriented programming, something for beginners, but really thick beginners
[15:35] <genii> Morydd: Still here?
[15:35] <shadowland> How much of a beginner?  There is a programming primer for kids called "Alice" to teach OO concepts
[15:35] <Jonty> eagles0513875: in order to automatically connect, I must open up the network settings. This asks for a password for the wallet, and once it has that it connects
[15:35] <ct529> shadowland: wouldn't that be a bit too complicated?
[15:35] <ct529> :D
[15:36] <ct529> shadowland: point me out to that, please?
[15:36] <eagles0513875> Jonty: do you mind clarifying in regards to your bug its kind of ambiguous the way it is worded
[15:36] <genii> Morydd: After searching my old notes, found a boot option which may help with the one-core-racing thing:   notsc (means to turn off cpu time-stamp-counter)
[15:36] <shadowland> ct529: http://www.alice.org/
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> ct529: head to #C++ or #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:37] <Jonty> eagles0513875: I haven't filed one, the second one isn't me. Do you want me to reply to it fully explaining what happens to me?
[15:37] <eagles0513875> Jonty: its ok i got it
[15:38] <jado> hi, i have no sound when i do speaker-test or vlc x.mp3 but i have no error (i've just upgraded to 9.04). if i go to Multimedia, there are 2 Audio ouputs, one name 'Nvidia nForce 2 etc." which works with the button 'test' and the other pulseaudio that does not work when i press 'test'
[15:40] <canen> will qt 4.5.1 be included in 9.04 updates?
[15:44] <EagleScreen> canen: I dont know, but it should be included because 4.5.0 sucks
[15:44] <canen> :)
[15:44] <gohmifune> Konqueror is telling that my hard drive partition is full when it isn't.
[15:44] <EagleScreen> canen lests ask it in #kubuntu-devel
[15:44] <gohmifune> any ideas?
[15:44] <canen> well, it is backwards compatible and is a bug fix
[15:45] <kya> Hello. I need some help.
[15:46] <kya> I just upgraded to the new Kubuntu.
[15:46] <eagles0513875> kya: just ask your question bro if anyone knows it they will respond :)
[15:46] <kya> ok.
[15:46] <GiantTalkingCow> A quick question: does Jaunty use KDE's own WM compositing solution by default? Or Compiz?
[15:47] <NCommander> Stupid question, but is there a way to get multitouch on my trackpad working in Kubuntu (it works in Xubuntu and UbuntU)
[15:49] <Dragnslcr> GiantTalkingCow- Kubuntu has never used compiz by default
[15:49] <rhkfin> Trying to upgrade but I get 'an unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade' (see http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=4086828.png and ignore the finnish text :) - any ideas how to get over it? Files (&bugrep) available here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/278285
[15:49] <kya> I just upgraded to the new Kubuntu. I have two disks /dev/sdb1 mounted as / and /dev/sda1/ mounted as /media/otherdisk I lost everything on sda1 and the disk that has 250gb now reports only 31.49gb. How can I reformart the disk with the full size again?
[15:49] <Dragnslcr> And yes, compositing is built in to kwin in KDE 4
[15:49] <Jonty> eagles0513875: well, I've got to go now. Thanks for your assistance
[15:49] <GiantTalkingCow> Dragnslcr: Hasn't it? That's nice to know, thank you.
[15:49] <eagles0513875> no prob Jonty any more questions or problems dont hesitate to pop in
[15:50] <Dragnslcr> kya- gparted can probably help
[15:53] <ct529> GRiD: great, it works well
[15:53] <kya> Tried Gparted also reported wrong size :(
[15:58] <seanw__> lol hard to find a nick that isn't registered
[15:59] <cliebow> i have a dell mini 9 running hardy..to make the firstclass client work ihad to force install intrepids libqt3-mt..is there any way to resolve the dependency errors i rcieve on update iwhtout reverting to hrdys libqt3-mt?
[16:00] <cliebow> all the k* apps seem to work fine btw
[16:00] <kgx> hows 9.04 looking? worth upgrading? im still on 8.04
[16:01] <FaxNet2> i was playing around with 9.04 last nite and noticed it doesnt have wpa2 support, is there a reason for this and will it be supported?
[16:01] <Dragnslcr> FirstClass? Oh man, I'm sorry
[16:02] <EagleScreen> FaxNet2: you have wpa2 support if you use network-manager-kde to connect
[16:02] <EagleScreen> kgx: 9.04 has got currently a bunch of bugs
[16:02] <FaxNet2> EagleScreen: why is it not supported on the other network manager?
[16:03] <EagleScreen> because the last line I wrote
[16:03] <FaxNet2> EagleScreen: sorry i missed that, so there should be an update to fix that eventually rite
[16:04] <EagleScreen> it is expectable
[16:04] <FaxNet2> thank you for ur help, appreciated
[16:06] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- how did you install the client? The .deb packages have been working for me for a while (for the values of "work" that apply to FirstClass)
[16:07] <seanw__> Currently I have kubuntu 8.10 with firefox 3.0.8 and with any images that use css backgroundurl's there's a black border around the left and top side of the image. Is there anyway to fix this?
[16:08] <rhkfin> Anyone have any idea what to do when trying to upgrade to Jaunty: "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[16:09] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, i simply dpkg -i the client from fcc
[16:10] <BluesKaj> kya_, GParted live cd or the application ?
[16:10] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- what version of FirstClass?
[16:10] <cliebow> 9.1
[16:10] <cliebow> ish
[16:10] <cliebow> but the 8 client had the same issue..same output when straced
[16:11] <kya_> Dragnslcr: The application: didn't now there was a live cd. Going for it.
[16:11] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, but the 8 client had the same issue..same output when straced
[16:12] <Dragnslcr> Hm, I dunno. I don't think I've run in to any dependency issues with it in a while, but I haven't done a clean install of Kubuntu in a while, so I might have all the old packages it needs
[16:12] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- what version of Kubuntu are you on now?
[16:13] <cliebow> fcc worked fine in gutsy and intrepid..so i worked with chris ho at firstclass who came up with this kludge
[16:13] <cliebow> '
[16:14] <Dragnslcr> I was using the Windows version under wine for a while. Can't remember offhand when I started using the native Linux client
[16:14] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, well..default hardy install on mini 9..ogra from canonical suggested i bring it up here..since the k* programs are what seem to have dep probs
[16:14]  * cliebow cliebow runs out to the car after laptop
[16:16] <seanw__> Currently I have kubuntu 8.10 with firefox 3.0.8 and with any images that use css backgroundurl's there's a black border around the left and top side of the image. Yet in Konqurer everything displays fine. Is there anyway to fix this?
[16:17] <seanw__> Konqueror*
[16:18] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- not sure what else to say. I've never run into any dependency problems with it. Worst case, you should be able to use the Windows version with wine
[16:18] <Dragnslcr> seanw__- have an example that we can look at?
[16:19] <seanw__> Dragnslcr: like a screenshot of the issue?
[16:19] <Dragnslcr> seanw__- a URL
[16:19] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, yeah...finest kind..thanks for the help..
[16:19] <seanw__> Dragnslcr: sure just an example: http://brighart.com/home
[16:20] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- sorry I couldn't help. I'm with you on the FirstClass pain, though. My university uses it, and they let alumni keep our accounts, so I've been using it for over 10 years
[16:20] <Longfield> hello: I have just upgraded to jaunty, and I my networking service does not start anymore !
[16:21] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, i see..i am subadmin here so need to do quite a lot in it..
[16:22] <jeiworth> seanw__: dont see any borders using 3.0.9
[16:22] <Dragnslcr> seanw__- anything specific on the page that has the problem?
[16:22] <kya_> BluesKaj: Going for a Gparted reboot ;) Thanks.
[16:22] <seanw__> jeiworth: ah maybe i should upgrade from 3.0.8
[16:22] <seanw__> Dragnslcr: i'll take a screenshot
[16:22] <bobby> hi
[16:23] <bobby> how do i install nvidia drivers in kubuntu 9.04?
[16:23] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- haha, I just scrolled back up to check your host to see where you're from. I definitely feel your pain
[16:23] <jeiworth> seanw__: yeah,better make a screenshot, sounds more like a local issue (some plugin/extension maybe?)
[16:23] <bobby> which version do I install? i find nvidia-glx-71, 96, 180, 196
[16:23] <bobby> 173
[16:23] <jeiworth> dont remember 3.0.8 having any problems like that
[16:23] <eagles0513875> bobby: i would install the latest one are you using the gui
[16:23] <cliebow> heehee.i am from Maine
[16:24] <bobby> eagles0513875: yeah
[16:24] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- is it Orono that's making you deal with FirstClass?
[16:24] <seanw__> http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3443/snapshot5.png
[16:24] <eagles0513875> bobby: i normally use the latest one
[16:24] <seanw__> jeiworth: the only plugin i have is firebug
[16:24] <bobby> ok
[16:24] <eagles0513875> bobby: if i run into issues i go to the one just before it
[16:25] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, no my own schools..
[16:25] <jeiworth> seanw__: hm that i also have installed
[16:25] <cliebow> i had a perfectly good sendmail running..then horde..then got stuck with this pig
[16:26] <Dragnslcr> seanw__- nope, looks fine in 3.0.9 here
[16:26] <shid007_> Hi there! sometimes apt falls with segmentation fault... anyone has the same problem?
[16:26] <seanw__> Dragnslcr: i'll upgrade and see if that fixes the issue. :D
[16:26] <seanw__> thanks for your help guys
[16:27] <millun_> is there a way to tell which gfx modes are supported?
[16:27] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- yeah, I think FirstClass did some fairly special stuff 10 years ago, but it can probably be replaced by newer stuff by now.
[16:28] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, i almost had em convinced to go with ..senior moment it will come to me
[16:29] <serenity> hi, i just wanted to update amarok to 2.1 Beta. Added the ppa and did update. But now, the packages for amarok are blocked.  Apt-cache show says - Conflicts: amarok-kde4
[16:29] <millun_> is there a way to tell which gfx modes are supported?
[16:29] <attila__> hi
[16:29] <attila__> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   doesn't do anything! I still have (k)ubuntu 8  (oder 8.04 according to /etc/lsb-release) what now?
[16:29] <cliebow> zimbra
[16:29] <serenity> but in jaunty there is no amarok-kde4
[16:30] <cliebow> attila__, ive been advised to dist-upgrade from package manager..
[16:31] <attila__> thx, I'll try it too
[16:32] <alt_> hi
[16:39] <seanw__> Upgraded to 3.0.9 and the issue went away, thanks guys
[16:40] <jeiworth> say, with my new hp laptop i got an ir remote control with it, anyone know how to use that with kubuntu? with irda-utils or is that just to connect mobile phones?
[16:40] <kya_> BluesKaj:Gparted live sees the full disk I formated it but rebooting to Kubuntu I get 31gb again :(
[16:40] <attila__> are the update-servers down at the moment?
[16:41] <yaa_> seem like that
[16:41] <yaa_> seems
[16:41] <attila__> forget... its getting further for me :)
[16:41] <attila__> hopefully until 100%
[16:41] <jeiworth> hmmmm lirc mor likely
[16:42] <Byron> Hello everyone. For all that have upgraded to 9.04, is /usr/bin/plasma overtaking most of your CPU? I have it currently going at 85-90%
[16:42] <eagles0513875> yaa_:  attila__ the update servers probably still getting hit rather hard cuz everyone is probablly upgrading
[16:42] <millun_> can i make X accept 1680x1050?
[16:42] <attila__> <-- restarting
[16:43] <attila__> eagles0513875, I would even pay a little bit, to have it faster :)
[16:43] <jeiworth> Byron: nope, but xorg is eating around 20-30% due to my intel vga
[16:43] <eagles0513875> attila__: just let it run and just be patient
[16:44] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, guess ill just have to live with updating..then force-architecture the libqt3-mt
[16:44] <eagles0513875> Byron: upgrading i find to be buggy still i found some old stuff like adept and knetowork manager that have been replaced by new stuff in jaunty
[16:44] <attila__> eagles0513875, i could enjoy the sun :)
[16:44]  * eagles0513875 gently kicks attila__ out the door to go get some sun
[16:45] <jeiworth> lol  sometimes you should just try before asking, a dont beleive it, its working out of the box! :D
[16:45] <eagles0513875> jeiworth: you talking bout me
[16:45] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- if you have a spare computer or hard drive kicking around, it might be worth trying a clean install of 9.04 and see what happens
[16:45] <attila__> wow... start did hurt...
[16:45] <jeiworth> eagles0513875: nope, i had a question about the ir remote control that came with my laptop
[16:46] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, Gosh..you mean i missed the jaunty coming-out party?
[16:46] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[16:47] <eagles0513875> cliebow: that was yesterday
[16:47] <Dragnslcr> Official release was yesterday
[16:47] <cliebow>  y guess would be it will be just fine..it is just that one version of libqt3-mt..
[16:47] <cliebow> eagles0513875, dang..ill have to give ogra a thumbs up then..
[16:48] <cliebow> eagles0513875, i am one of ltsp guys btw..
[16:48] <Dragnslcr> What version of libqt3-mt do you have installed?
[16:49] <Byron> eagles0513875: No solution for the high usage in plasma?
[16:49] <cliebow> the working one is libqt3-mt_3.3.8-b-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
[16:49] <eagles0513875> Byron: im on a clean install and i dont have that problem
[16:49] <Byron> jeiworth: 20-30 is high, but also depends on your processor for value.
[16:49] <cliebow> the flaky one is i think 3ubuntu
[16:49] <Byron> I would kill plasma, but then there goes all my stuff
[16:50] <jeiworth> Byron: yeah, i think so too, its a known bug, intel b0rked their drivers, supposed to be fixed  in like 6 months... *sigh*
[16:50] <Byron> jeiworth: Just in time for 9.10, huh?
[16:51] <jeiworth> Byron: :D exactly
[16:51] <cliebow> Dragnslcr, the default for a mini9 is libqt3-mt_3%3a3.3.8-b-ubuntu3_lpia.deb
[16:51] <Dragnslcr> cliebow- yeah, I have -5 installed
[16:51] <Byron> jeiworth: Well, I guess it gives you something to look forward to as the days pass
[16:51] <lovre> hi all.
[16:52] <lovre> where can i see whats new in 9.04, i mean the most important things?
[16:52] <jeiworth> Byron: yeah... thats what you get for extra paying close attention to linux compatibility when you buy hardware :P
[16:53] <rubinho> hello together
[16:53] <elirips> Hello. Can someone else confirm that network-manager is no longer working with wireless in 9.04? I just upgrade from 8.10, there things worked finde.
[16:54] <Dragnslcr> lovre- probably in the release announcement on the website
[16:54] <bokey> hi guys is there konqueror 4.2.2 available in ppa?
[16:54] <rubinho> can someone help me? i am not able so upmix my 2.0 sound since i updated do "jaunty"
[16:54] <Dragnslcr> bokey- it's part of KDE 4.2.2
[16:55] <bokey> Dragnslcr: and i'd have to get jaunty for that?
[16:55] <jeiworth> elirips: works fine, but you have to configure all your wlan connections anew
[16:55] <bokey> or is 4.2.2 (KDE) available as ppa already?
[16:55] <Dragnslcr> bokey- pretty sure there are 8.10 packages for it in a PPA
[16:56] <jeiworth> isnt 4.2.2 already in the official backports repo?
[16:56] <jeiworth> for 8.10, that is
[16:56] <elirips> jeiworth: how to do that? Remove everything from kwallet? purge and reinstall nm? I only get this in syslog: NetworkManager: <WARN>  impl_manager_activate_connection(): Connection (0) /org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings/Connection/0 failed to activate: (3) No user settings service available
[16:56] <Dragnslcr> bokey- http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2
[16:57] <bokey> Dragnslcr: thanks
[16:57] <Dragnslcr> jeiworth- 4.2.0 was in backports, but for some reason the versions above that stayed in PPA
[16:58] <jeiworth> elirips: hmm never checked my syslog, check system settings -> network settings -> network management -> and then click on the wireless tab
[16:58] <Byron> How can I change the height of my Kicker
[16:58] <Byron> 8.10
[16:58] <jeiworth> Dragnslcr: ah kk, well then kubuntu-experimental ppa should definitely have it bokey
[16:58] <rubinho> ist htere anybody who can help me?
[16:59] <darrob> hi, i have a little problem installing kubuntu. this is the first time that i'm asked where to install grub and i'm not quite sure what the right place is. i tried to put in the partition that i assigned as /boot (/dev/sda3), but that didn't work.
[16:59] <elirips> jeiworth: no data stored in there
[17:00] <jeiworth> elirips: exactly, all saved connections are gone so you will have to create them again :-/
[17:00] <elirips> jeiworth: that is what I've done, then I get NetworkManager: <WARN>  impl_manager_activate_connection(): Connection (0) /org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings/Connection/0 failed to activate: (3) No user settings service available
[17:00] <jeiworth> elirips:  create a new  connection by clicking on add
[17:00] <elirips> jeiworth: i know
[17:00] <jeiworth> aah ok
[17:00] <Byron> I did it once when I first installed 8.10 on my netbook, but that's about it. I tried it again, but there aren't any anchors
[17:00] <elirips> jeiworth: the problem is it wont connect
[17:00] <elirips> jeiworth: something is broken
[17:00] <jeiworth> ifconfig shows your wlan-card? lspci?
[17:00] <theuser1>  i just upgraded but the new version of kde in kubuntu doesnt shows me all windows in one screen when i move my mouse button to upper left of screen. no visiualisation on alt+tab too. any solutions?
[17:01] <dragonbreath> I have the same issue as elirips
[17:01] <jeiworth> theuser1: desktop effects off?
[17:01] <elirips> dragonbreath: any solution yet?
[17:01] <yaa_> do not hurry
[17:01] <dragonbreath> shows the networks, but can't connect to mine
[17:01] <dragonbreath> elirips: is your network hidden?
[17:01] <elirips> dragonbreath: no
[17:02] <elirips> dragonbreath: it doesn't matter if it is a WPA1/2 or unsecured network
[17:02] <dragonbreath> mmm..thought that might have been what was wrong with mine
[17:02] <dragonbreath> Mine is hidden and wpa2
[17:02] <theuser1> jeiworth:  no . i want that effect
[17:02] <dragonbreath> worked before the upgrade, or course
[17:02] <elirips> dragonbreath: all i get this error in syslog ...No user settings service available
[17:02] <jeiworth> elirips, dragonbreath what wlan chip is your card?
[17:02] <elirips> dragonbreath: it worked fine in 8.10
[17:03] <elirips> dragonbreath: i'm suspecting that nm doesn't get the needed information from kdewallet
[17:03] <jeiworth> theuser1: the question was, if they are deactivated. the exposé effect is a desktop effect
[17:03] <dragonbreath> I haven't been using wallet before..hmm
[17:03] <jeiworth> theuser1: as is the nicer alt-tab switching
[17:04] <Byron> In regards to networking, it is taking an excruciating long time on my desktop. For some odd ball reason, it connects and disconnects without reconnecting and kNetworkManager knows nothing of it and still reports an IP.
[17:04] <elirips> jeiworth: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[17:04] <dragonbreath> jeiworth: how do I find out the chipset? It's an intel a/b/g one I believe
[17:04] <theuser1> jeiworth:  i want that effect. can you tell me how to?
[17:04] <dragonbreath> yeah, that one
[17:04] <elirips> dragonbreath: lscpi | grep Network
[17:05] <elirips> dragonbreath: lspci | grep Network
[17:05] <dragonbreath> Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100
[17:05] <bokey> is LP down?
[17:05] <dragonbreath> LP?
[17:05] <bokey> launchpad.net
[17:06] <jeiworth> theuser1: go to system settings -> desktop and verify that desktop effects are activated, then go to tab screen edges and check if the upper left corner is green, if not click on it and select the action (e.g. present windows all desktops)
[17:06] <bokey> Timeout error
[17:06] <bokey> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[17:06] <dragonbreath> LP just came up for me in FF
[17:06] <bokey> hrm
[17:06] <jeiworth> elirips, dragonbreath so you both have intel? dang it, intel seems to have really screwed something up major with their new drivers :P
[17:06]  * KiRiLoS is back (gone 13:35:26)
[17:07] <dragonbreath> jeiworth: lol
[17:07]  * KiRiLoS Heya
[17:07] <bokey> dragonbreath: what about https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/ppa ?
[17:07] <bokey> hi KiRiLoS
[17:07] <dragonbreath> bokey: yep
[17:07] <bokey> uhh? demn!
[17:07] <bokey> thanks dragonbreath
[17:07] <dragonbreath> np
[17:08] <theuser1> jeiworth: done that
[17:08] <jeiworth> theuser1: righto, and not working?
[17:09] <jeiworth> elirips, dragonbreath seen this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/350370
[17:09] <dragonbreath> looking now...
[17:10] <MaCEl> hello all. I upgraded my kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 and many bugs are gone in KDE. meee'sa happy! :)
[17:10] <theuser1> jeiworth: but its not showing preset windows
[17:10] <theuser1> jeiworth: ill restard kde?
[17:11] <jeiworth> theuser1: normally you dont have to restart kde. so the up-left-corner thing is working?
[17:11] <theuser1> no. its not
[17:12] <elirips> jeiworth: it works for me when configuring things manually in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:12] <jeiworth> theuser1: hmm what vgs card and driver are you using?
[17:13] <jeiworth> vgs->vga
[17:13] <jeiworth> elirips: strange
[17:13] <theuser1> it was working in previous kde
[17:13] <theuser1> how to check
[17:13] <theuser1> ?
[17:13] <elirips> i'll now try nm-applet from gnome
[17:13] <elirips> i think that will work
[17:14] <jeiworth> glxinfo is probably the fastest way to find out
[17:14] <comfanter> I download a file but I can't find it,who knows where it is?
[17:14] <jeiworth> comfanter: lol
[17:15] <jeiworth> comfanter: with what did you download it?
[17:15] <eagles0513875> cliebow: hey
[17:15] <cliebow> yeah..lost ya
[17:15] <MaCEl> question: everytime i restart kubuntu i have to reset the screen resolution with NVIDIA settings tool. When i try to save the settings i get: 'Unable to create new X config backup file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup' What should i do?
[17:15] <comfanter> Koonqueror
[17:15] <dragonbreath> comfanter: try your home icon, click near the top of the popup to open your desktop in dolphin
[17:16] <jeiworth> MaCEl: try running nvidia settings tool as root/with sudo
[17:16] <elirips> okay, it is definitly a problem that comes with Kubuntu 9.04
[17:16] <elirips> nm-applet from Gnome works fine
[17:16] <MaCEl> thanks jeiworth. i'll try
[17:16] <elirips> it is only knetworkmanager, network-manager-kde and the plasma network-manager that wont work
[17:16] <jeiworth> lol
[17:17] <eagles0513875> !uck | cliebow
[17:17] <elirips> jeiworth: as a workaround you can install network-manager-gnome
[17:17] <jeiworth> elirips: strange though, i didnt have any problems and i upgraded when it was still beta
[17:17] <elirips> jeiworth: and use nm-applet
[17:17] <elirips> jeiworth: it was working fine for me with 8.10 and Kde 4.2 from backports.org. I upgraded to 9.04 today, and it is broken
[17:18] <jeiworth> :-/
[17:18] <theuser1> ?
[17:19] <MaCEl> it worked. i hope now my X settings are permanent :)
[17:20] <jeiworth> MaCEl: \o/
[17:21] <MaCEl> :)
[17:21] <jeiworth> brb
[17:22] <wers> when i installed kubuntu, my firefox fonts got messed up. they dont render properly anymore. how do i fix this?
[17:23] <draik> Did networking get better or worse when going from 8.10 to 9.04?
[17:24] <elirips> draik: here, worse :P
[17:25] <draik> I was really hoping networking would be fixed; among other things
[17:25] <AndyMan1> is Jaunty running very slow for anyone else?
[17:26] <elirips> draik: i've been using 8.10 with kde 4.2 from backports, things worked fine there. upgraded to 9.04 today, knetwork-manager is no longer working with wireless for me. now i'm using nm-applet from gnome..
[17:27] <theuser1> any help?
[17:28] <Byron> elirips: I'm on a netbook and wifi is my main thing. Wifi works 'out of the box' for me after the 2nd install on the HDD
[17:28] <dragonbreath> elirips: where do you get the applet from?
[17:28] <bokey> theuser1: what happened
[17:29] <elirips> dragonbreath: sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome then start it from a console using  nm-applet
[17:29] <elirips> Byron: Did you upgrade or fresh install?
[17:29] <theuser1> can see preset windows when i move mouse to left upmost . can see visiualisation of windows when i hit alt+tab . it was working fine in the previous  kde until i upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 ?
[17:29] <theuser1> bokey: ^
[17:30] <Byron> elirips: Sorry, I hit Enter by mistake instead of Shift as intended. I was going to add that I'm referencing that install to 8.10. I was just curious as to mabe a missed package or something along those lines.
[17:30] <bokey> theuser1: preset window?
[17:30] <Byron> s/mabe/maybe
[17:30] <theuser1> present*
[17:31] <MushroomKingdom> I cant get my Konsole to have a transparent backgrounf
[17:31] <elirips> Byron: Maybe my problem comes from the upgrade.. who knows... I dont have time right now to go more into the deep, i just need something that works, so i'll stick to nm-applet until I get some more time
[17:31] <AndyMan1> I just upgraded to Jaunty, and it's really, really laggy and unresponsive. I don't have any extra display goodies turned on, any idea what's wrong?
[17:31] <elirips> Byron: Would be nice to check if it works with a fres install of 9.04
[17:32] <bokey> theuser1: what kde version do you have?
[17:32] <elirips> Byron: Maybe its also a problem with dbus
[17:32] <theuser1> 4.2.2
[17:32] <Byron> I don't have much on the netbook, so maybe I'll do that
[17:32] <dragonbreath> AndyMan1: mine's a bit slow too...
[17:32] <canen> AndyMan1: do you have an ATI card?
[17:32] <AndyMan1> mobile 9000, i think
[17:33] <canen> opensource drivers?
[17:33] <bokey> theuser1: file a bug
[17:33] <bokey> report
[17:33] <AndyMan1> i'm not sure, i've totally forgotten how to find that out, actually
[17:33] <canen> check to see if you have fglrx installed
[17:33] <canen> aptitude search fglrx
[17:33] <AndyMan1> kk, checking, thanks
[17:34] <canen> or check yor log/config to see which driver is being used
[17:34] <MushroomKingdom> Hi, is there something I can download so that my desktop allows me to have transparent backgrounds in konsole?
[17:34] <theuser1> bokey: how to get the previous kde?
[17:35] <bokey> theuser1: backports may have it
[17:35] <canen> MushroomKingdom: enable desktop effects if your card can handle it
[17:35] <Byron> MushroomKingdom: I think it's an available option within konsole itself
[17:35] <MushroomKingdom> I have the desktop effects enabled but It wont allow me to
[17:35] <theuser1> bokey:  backports?
[17:35] <canen> MushroomKingdom: and change the transpareny option for the konsole profile
[17:35] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about backports
[17:36] <MushroomKingdom> I have transparency at max, but it tells me my desktop doesnt support it
[17:36] <AndyMan1> canen: don't think i'm using fglrx
[17:36] <bokey> theuser1: i am not using 9.04 or 4.2.2 (yet) so i can't say for sure whats happening
[17:36] <kubun2009> Loving juanty..
[17:36] <canen> AndyMan1: then that is probable it, the opensource drivers are slow
[17:36] <bokey> backports means new software ported to previous release
[17:36] <kubun2009> how do you get codecs for dragon player?
[17:37] <theuser1> bokey:  what are you using
[17:37] <bokey> theuser1: 8.10
[17:37] <canen> AndyMan1: in xorg.conf i changed AccelMethod to XAA and that seems to help
[17:37] <hagabaka_> kded4 keeps using all the CPU since i upgraded to jaunty
[17:37] <theuser1> bokey: what is the kde version in that
[17:37] <canen> MushroomKingdom: then it probable doesn't support it
[17:37] <bokey> theuser1: 4.1
[17:37] <kubun2009> canen - what video card are you guys talking about?
[17:38] <canen> kubun2009: ati
[17:38] <theuser1> bokey:  i cant get 4.1 and remove this 4.2?
[17:38] <bokey> theuser1: its stable except i am going to upgrade to 4.2 only because of konqueror
[17:38] <MushroomKingdom> how do I get it to allow it?
[17:38] <bokey> theuser1: yes it should be possible but i think that'd introduce lot of breakage
[17:38] <AndyMan1> canen: so change that, see if it improves, and if not, install fglrx?
[17:38] <canen> MushroomKingdom: what's your video card?
[17:38] <Flokass> hi
[17:38] <theuser1> bokey: then why its not working fo rme? driver problem ?
[17:38] <MushroomKingdom> Nvidia 8400
[17:38] <MushroomKingdom> gt i think
[17:38] <canen> AndyMan1: check to see if fglrx supports your card
[17:38] <theuser1> bokey:  i heard its done by manulay settting /etc/....... /interfaces. dont know the exact thing?
[17:39] <bokey> theuser1: you're trying to switch with alt+tab right? thats not a driver problem
[17:39] <theuser1> bokey:  hm
[17:39] <kubun2009> what does this setting do? SubSection "Display"
[17:39] <kubun2009>    Virtual 3200 1800
[17:39] <kubun2009> EndSubSection
[17:39] <canen> AndyMan1: in my case it doesn't and fglrx can also lead to a world of hurt
[17:39] <MaCEl> hagabaka: i also had that problem. i restarted kubuntu and now it's fine...
[17:39] <devilsadvocate> ok, so my upgrade failed horribly http://pastie.org/457196
[17:39] <kubun2009> what does that setting do: in xorg.conf i changed AccelMethod to XAA and that seems to help
[17:40] <eagles0513875> !paste | kubun2009
[17:40] <eagles0513875> kubun2009: just to let ya know  for future
[17:40] <canen> kubun2009: it's an accelration architecture
[17:40] <kubun2009> sorry iknow i pasted wrong txt sorry
[17:40] <MushroomKingdom> canen: I run a Nvidia 8400
[17:40] <AndyMan1> canen: alright, thank you. I'll give it a try and report back if it helps
[17:41] <kubun2009> how do i d/l more codecs for dragon player? it isnt playing any files avi, mpg mpeg..etc
[17:41] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about sources.list
[17:41] <canen> MushroomKingdom: you said you had desktop effects enable right?
[17:41] <MushroomKingdom> Yes
[17:41] <canen> kubun2009: i usually use medibuntu
[17:42] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about downgrade
[17:42] <canen> kubun2009: http://medibuntu.org/
[17:42] <bokey> theuser1: that should be it.
[17:42]  * bokey checks 4.2 completes :D
[17:43] <devilsadvocate> !tell devilsadvocate about downgrade
[17:43] <canen> MushroomKingdom: i am using an ATI card here so can't really help
[17:43] <MushroomKingdom> Shucks
[17:44] <canen> MushroomKingdom: i use archlinux with a nvidia card at home. i don't know if their wiki could help you
[17:44] <theuser1> what is the package name for kde 4.1 ? . i have 4.2.2 and what to remove it. but keep its setting and install kde 4.1 ?
[17:44] <MushroomKingdom> Well, Is there a specific setting that I should have on?
[17:44] <MushroomKingdom> besides just having desktop effects
[17:44] <abyss_> Hi
[17:45] <canen> MushroomKingdom: can you share your xorg.conf?
[17:45] <AndyMan1> canen: am I looking in the right place? /etc/X11/xorg.conf? there's almost nothing in that file, and no AccelMethod
[17:45] <MushroomKingdom> sure, how do I do that
[17:45] <canen> AndyMan1: add it under the device section
[17:46] <abyss_> Does anyone have experience with Matlab?
[17:46] <theuser1> what is the package name for kde 4.1 ? . i have 4.2.2 and what to remove it. but keep its setting and install kde 4.1 ?
[17:46] <AndyMan1> (tab)AccelMethod (tab) "XAA" ?
[17:46] <canen> AndyMan1: http://pastebin.com/m48104648 that's what i have
[17:46] <canen> MushroomKingdom: http://pastebin.com/
[17:47] <kubun2009_> thx
[17:47] <MushroomKingdom> canen: where do I find the xorg.conf?
[17:47] <canen> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:48] <SaTURnO> ha all
[17:48] <hagabaka_> is kded4 using all CPU since upgrade for anyone lese?
[17:48] <canen> hagabaka_: yes :) see backlog
[17:49] <canen> anyway, gotta run
[17:49]  * canen goes off to a meeting
[17:49] <hagabaka_> i don't have backlog
[17:49] <AndyMan1> thanks canen, back in a few
[17:50] <doleyb> hagabaka_: thats happened a lot, try reloggin a bit
[17:50] <MushroomKingdom> canen:http://pastebin.com/d155c6719
[17:50] <SaTURnO> ehm... I have installed kubuntu 9.04beta how can i upgrade to 9.04final without reinstall?
[17:50] <canen> SaTURnO: just run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:51]  * canen _really_ goes 
[17:51] <SaTURnO> tnx
[17:51] <gerald> Anyone here with Kubuntu 9.04 running on eeePC 1000 w/o WPA2 Wlan?
[17:51] <SaTURnO> but it do nothing
[17:51] <gerald> sorry, with wpa2 wlan...
[17:51] <theuser1> how to i remove all kde 4.2.2?
[17:53] <frank23> The hardware drivers app doesn't show the nvidia drivers I want to install. I know how to do this manually just wondering why it's not working like it used to.
[17:53] <gerald> @theuser: use dselect/aptitude/synaptic, search for all kde packages and delete this
[17:54] <theuser1> is there a way to upgrad to 9.04 from 8.10 but  not upgrading kde ?
[17:55] <AndyMan1> canen: WOW. it's like going from 56k to a T1. thanks for the tip!
[17:55] <genii> theuser1: Not really
[17:55] <frank23> theuser1: you mean keep kde4.1 instead of kde4.2?
[17:55] <AndyMan1> out of curiosity, what did the that change to XAA do?
[17:55] <theuser1> frank23: ya
[17:56] <theuser1> genii: frank23present windows thing and alt+tab visualisation dont work in 4.2.2 for me
[17:57] <frank23> theuser1: you mean the 3d effects? are your 3d drivers installed and enabled?
[17:57] <theuser1> ya
[17:57] <theuser1> frank23:  i have effects enabled. was working in 4.1 . what drivers are you talking about
[17:58] <bokey> theuser1: you need graphics driver for your card.
[17:58] <whyking> hi
[17:58] <bokey> theuser1: if its 3d related
[17:58] <devilsadvocate> ok, if anyones interested, removinf libqt4-dev seemed to have eased _some_ of my upgrade problems
[17:58] <frank23> theuser1: I just installed 9.04 a couple minutes ago. I don't have the nvidia drivers I need installed yet
[17:58] <bokey> theuser1: when your kernel gets upgraded, it requires a new graphics driver
[17:58] <bokey> yep frank23
[17:58] <theuser1> bokey:  frank23 how to i check. it was working in 4.1. should work for 4.2.2?
[17:58] <bokey> 9.04 uses different (newer) kernel than 8.10
[17:58] <whyking> I just upgrade to jaunty, rebooted, but all kde apps (adept, konqueror, konsole) wont start, other gtk+ apps seem fine (firefox, xchat...) what is going on?
[17:59] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about graphics
[17:59] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about 3d
[17:59] <bokey> damn you ubottu
[17:59] <whyking> they seem to be starting, appear in the taskbar, but then disappear
[17:59] <whyking> any help would be greatly appreciated
[17:59] <theuser1> bokey:  ic. so how do i check drivers frank23
[17:59] <frank23> bokey:  theuser1: well, for nvidia cards, the Hardware Drivers application should show them and let me install them. it's not working though. must be a bug
[18:00]  * KiRiLoS is away: I'm busy
[18:00] <theuser1> frank23: where can i find hardware a[[
[18:00] <theuser1> app
[18:00] <bokey> !tell theuser1 about video
[18:00] <frank23> theuser1: Applications->System->Hardware Drivers
[18:00] <bokey> install the driver then try your 3d thingy
[18:01] <bokey> i thought it was some kde issue earlier sorry
[18:02] <theuser1> frank23: bokey no propreity drivers in use
[18:03] <bokey> theuser1: i dont know what youre taling about
[18:03] <bokey> theuser1: try reading this -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Video
[18:03] <domker> How to recover KDE fonts settings?
[18:03] <whyking> dolphin is crashing as well
[18:03] <whyking> any ideas?
[18:03] <theuser1> bokey no propreity drivers in use iin system settings > hardware drivers
[18:04] <bokey> domker: kcmshell4 fontinst
[18:04] <frank23> theuser1: what video card do you have?
[18:05] <bokey> !crash > whyking
[18:08] <devilsadvocate> ok, openoffice seems to be blocking my upgrade for some reason. any way i can remove it completely for now?
[18:09] <heinkel_111> how do I tell tar to extract the files from an archive into a folder with a given pathname (/home/me/tmp/. for example)
[18:10] <domker> how to fix fonts size to default KDE settings? >> http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3161/zrzutekranu1q.jpg  //too small fonts how to back to default (Default button doesnt work)
[18:12] <esperegu_> how to install flash? after upgrading it does not work anymore....
[18:13] <zak-76> helo all
[18:13] <zak-76> :)
[18:13] <snarkster> i must say you guys have completely out done yourself!!! This is an awesome peice of work
[18:13] <snarkster> the new package manager seems alittle easier to use
[18:14] <cham_eleon> is there a _real_ simple kde4 plasma theme? without gradient or anything like that? only a color?
[18:14] <devilsadvocate> ok. panic time : akonadi server seems to want to remove itself since it is removed. wtf. help
[18:14] <devilsadvocate> since it it unused*
[18:14] <chx> hi. i have an AMD 740G/Radeon 2100 and Jaunty (even after installing Catalyst 9.4) crashes when it switches to X.
[18:15] <dfaure> devilsadvocate: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? that should make it used again ;)
[18:16] <Szadek> how can i use the notebook remote ?? only one button seems to work , and it only put the screen black and then return to normal
[18:16] <devilsadvocate> dfaure: :( im in upgrade dependancy hell. so far it seems the openoffice suit (all of it) and the qt dev packages were the major blocks. i also dont know why, but the thing asked me some lilo (lilo?) related question
[18:16] <chx> and for more fun: it crashes with radeon and radeonhd too!
[18:16] <devilsadvocate> dfaure: i'm terrified or rebooting now :|
[18:16] <dfaure> devilsadvocate: didn't get any of these problems here....
[18:17] <dfaure> my problem is the ati videocard... X makes the machine hang whatever I try.
[18:18] <draik> I'm trying to install the necessary package/tool for playing DVDs. Says they are encrypted in Kaffeine and that DragonPlayer won't load the media (DVD).
[18:18] <draik> What was that location again? /usr/bin/____?____
[18:18] <devilsadvocate> and there goes quassel core
[18:18] <bendodge> i just upgraded to 9.04, and sudo apt-get doesn't work anymore
[18:19] <bendodge> is there a new command, or do I have to start a root shell?
[18:19] <dfaure> bendodge: still works here...
[18:19] <draik> !dvd
[18:19] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, does aptitude work?
[18:20] <esperegu_> how to get flash installed in firefox?
[18:20] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: yes
[18:20] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, use aptitude for now, maybe use it to install apt-get
[18:21] <bendodge> dfaure: i get command not found with
[18:21] <bendodge> ok
[18:21] <bendodge> dfaure: -with
[18:21] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, i just use aptitude now though
[18:21] <agoole> does anyone have skype working in jaunty ?
[18:22] <agoole> and how can I trace which audio capture is what input ?
[18:22] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: apt-get without sudo works, but obviously gives a perms error
[18:22] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, hmm
[18:24] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: i've actually never tried aptitude before; i like apt-get for when i know exactly what i want done
[18:25] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, aptitude has more or less the same commands iirc. i dont know how to fix your apt-get issue, trying to douse a few major upgrade fires here myself :|
[18:26] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: ok, aptitude will have to do
[18:27] <bendodge> now why doesn't su work? i get authentication failure
[18:28] <bbeck> I had a component to kontact that acted like a wiki (books and pages).  I upgraded to the latest Kubuntu and it's not there anymore.  I was wondering if anyone knew the name of that app so I could reinstall it.
[18:28] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, you have a root pw?
[18:29] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: well, in the past i would put in my account pw
[18:29] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, try sudo -i
[18:29] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: that worked
[18:30] <frank23> wow kpackagekit crashes when I try to install ubuntu-desktop. Not sure this kubuntu release is ready....
[18:30] <devilsadvocate> frank23, it never is :)
[18:30] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: apt-get works with root shell
[18:31] <agoole> anyone get skype working on jaunty?
[18:31] <bendodge> devilsadvocate: i recall something in the original kde4 remix, where sudo kate wouldn't work - something to do with the application paths
[18:31] <bokey> whats the name of the kde app that does 'du -h'?
[18:32] <bokey> lists the most heavy directories etc
[18:32] <bokey> hrm
[18:32] <frank23> devilsadvocate: I haven't used kubuntu since kde4 became default. I'll probably have to stick with gnome for this one too...
[18:33] <bokey> kdirstat go it
[18:34] <agoole> anyone has skype working ?
[18:34] <bokey> agoole: why wouldn't it work?
[18:35] <devilsadvocate> frank23, fwiw, kubuntu 8.10 was one of the best desktop experiences i've had since win98 came out
[18:35] <bokey> devilsadvocate: yeah its stable
[18:35] <dragonbreath> anyone have blue ray dvd's working? ;P
[18:35] <agoole> bokey: I suppose they haven't gotten it to work on jaunty yet,
[18:36] <agoole> bokey: I can install it, but I get no sound
[18:36] <devilsadvocate> frank23, and i do have high hopes for 9.04, i havent actually used it yet, thanks to massive upgrade fail, but much of it is probably in some sense my fault
[18:36] <bokey> agoole: ahhh.. you could try #kde
[18:36] <agoole> bokey: I was wondering if it was pulse audio crapping out again, or skype
[18:36] <bokey> could be
[18:36] <agoole> goign to try alsa,
[18:36] <agoole> hopefully i wont have to compile it from source this time
[18:37] <frank23> devilsadvocate: I see. I was testing 8.10 and when I saw that ktorrent didn't support rss feeds (the kde4 version didn't support them yet) I just went back to ubuntu
[18:37] <bokey> agoole: try the sound test that comes with alsa, then move up to kde sound test, then do the skype test.. thats the sane way of testing sound
[18:38] <agoole> bokey: how do I test just the alsa sound again ?
[18:38]  * bokey is running kdirstat :)
[18:38] <bokey> agoole: theres a tool cant remember its name
[18:38] <bokey> lemme check
[18:40] <bokey> agoole: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/SoundcardTesting
[18:41] <agoole> bokey: thanks, checking it out, wont be long
[18:41] <theuser1> what is the package name for kde 4.1 ? . i have 4.2.2 and what to remove it. but keep its setting and install kde 4.1 ?
[18:41] <bokey> theuser1: packages.ubuntu.com
[18:42] <theuser1> cant find
[18:42] <bokey> theuser1: what do you mean cant find?
[18:42] <theuser1> its kubuntu-desktop. with not version
[18:42] <theuser1> its kubuntu-desktop. with no version
[18:43] <Kransac> hi
[18:44] <MushroomKingdom> Help! My konsole wont open
[18:45] <MushroomKingdom> D:
[18:45] <Kransac> I'm upgrading my kubuntu from 8.10 to 9.04 but it seems like adept is not downloading anything anymore. Is it ok if I cancel during the downloading step and upgrade from a CD?
[18:45] <bokey> theuser1: there are bunch of packages that constitute what a KDE desktop really is.. lemme look it up in a sec
[18:46] <theuser1> ok
[18:46] <MushroomKingdom> whats the location of the konsole in the root folder? I have to change a boot command
[18:48] <bokey> theuser1: what happened to your 3d driver?
[18:48] <theuser1> bokey:  i really dont know how to check that do i need a 3d driver or not....... what are you talkiing about?
[18:48] <bokey> MushroomKingdom: which konsole
[18:48] <MushroomKingdom> terminal
[18:48] <bokey> theuser1: your 3d driver. which card?
[18:48] <MushroomKingdom> mine wont open
[18:49] <MushroomKingdom> I changed something and now it wont open so I can change it back
[18:49] <theuser1> bokey:  how can i check what card i have?
[18:49] <bokey> MushroomKingdom: type -> which konsole (alt+f2 -> "xterm")
[18:49] <bokey> theuser1: lspci
[18:49] <MushroomKingdom> where do i type that
[18:49] <bokey> MushroomKingdom: alt+f2 -> xterm -> 'which konsole'
[18:50] <theuser1> bokey:  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[18:50] <MushroomKingdom> bokey: I dont get anything typing in xterm
[18:51] <bokey> theuser1: yup then you'd need a driver for that.
[18:51] <bokey> MushroomKingdom: did you type 'which konsole'?
[18:51] <bokey> !video > theuser1
[18:51] <MushroomKingdom> yes
[18:51] <bokey> MushroomKingdom: that means its not installed
[18:51] <bokey> :D
[18:51] <theuser1> bokey:  i didnt needed one in k 8.10.......... its a diff kerenl in 9.04.. thats why? ok how can i get the driver ?
[18:51] <MushroomKingdom> o.O
[18:51] <MushroomKingdom> I changed something I cant open up my terminal
[18:52] <bokey> MushroomKingdom: sudo aptitude install konsole;
[18:52] <bokey> type that in xterm
[18:52] <bokey> theuser1: its called 'i810' or sth...
[18:52] <bokey> !tell bokey about intel
[18:53] <theuser1> bokey: ntel drivers are open source and in the kernel,
[18:53] <bokey> theuser1: xserver-xorg-video-intel is what you need
[18:53] <agoole> how can I set my default sound to alsa, and not pulse?
[18:53] <MushroomKingdom> bokey: how i dont have xterm, my konsole wont open anymore becuase i changed something where do i find the main dir?
[18:53] <oz1> i installed the bcx fwcutter for my wireless card and i'm still not getting a connection to the internet wirelessly
[18:54] <oz1> i installed the bcx fwcutter for my wireless card and i'm still not getting a connection to the internet wirelessly can anyone help?
[18:56] <bokey> MushroomKingdom: your konsole configuration resides: /home/username/.kde/share/config/konsolerc
[18:56] <theuser1> bokey: i see xserver-xorg-video-intel is already installed
[18:57] <MushroomKingdom> bokey: thank you
[18:57] <d3jake> I was told... I think it was yesterday that Jaunty would release with a version that uses KDE3, is this still true and if so has it been released and where can I find it?
[18:57] <jackcy> bokey: i came recently, what's your problem?
[18:58] <theuser1> does any body have freenx server installed right now?
[18:58] <bokey> theuser1: you need 915resolution
[18:58] <bokey> theuser1: http://www.kubuntu.org.cn/doc/7.10/hardware/C/video.html
[18:58] <bokey> jackcy: i dont have a problem
[18:58] <bokey> MushroomKingdom: no worries
[18:59] <bokey> theuser1: aptitude search 915resolution
[18:59] <MushroomKingdom> bokey: Thank you, it led me to my config file in a different folder where I changed a boot command. Jeez, I should really stop doing that :P still not used to linux
[18:59] <bokey> :)
[18:59] <MushroomKingdom> now it opens perfectly :D
[19:00] <theuser1> bokey:  not found
[19:00] <Darkstar> Hi all
[19:00] <Darkstar> Got a question for you guys and I feel like a fool for not having found the answer
[19:00] <bokey> theuser1: i see 9.04 doesn't have it
[19:00] <bokey> hrm
[19:00] <bokey> hi Darkstar
[19:01] <Darkstar> but is there a quick way to change KDE themes that doesn't require me to log out and back in to see the change?
[19:01] <dfaure> which video driver to use for ATI Radeon X1300?   (ati? radeon? radeonhq? fglrx?)
[19:01] <chx> ok something is very broken in jaunty. even VESA failed!!!
[19:01] <chx> dfaure: as far as I can see ATI gave us the middle finger and told us , go buy Nvidia.
[19:02] <dfaure> that's what I'm seeing too.
[19:02] <theuser1> !info 915resolution
[19:02] <dfaure> chx: got a radeon X too?
[19:02] <chx> dfaure: i am giving in, and buying an Nvidia 9400GS for 31.44CAD at ncix.
[19:02] <chx> dfaure: I have a Radeon 2100 aka 740G motherboard.
[19:02] <d3jake> I was told... I think it was yesterday that Jaunty would release with a version that uses KDE3, is this still true and if so has it been released and where can I find it?
[19:02] <chx> dfaure: but i do not have time to replace MB so i will simply add a new video card.
[19:03] <dfaure> what's amazing is that not so long ago, nvidia was the black sheep that everyone had problems with...
[19:03] <bokey> theuser1: its been removed since intrepid. try as root 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[19:03] <chx> dfaure: for me, even the vesa (!!!) driver is crashing.
[19:03] <bokey> hrmm
[19:03] <dfaure> yeah, the problem must be in xorg
[19:03] <chx> dfaure: i get a few discolored lines when switching to X and that's it.
[19:03] <jackcy> d3jake from what i have read at kubuntu.org there is a preversion of 9.04 but not an officially released one
[19:04] <dfaure> chx: same here
[19:04] <dfaure> actually it makes the machine hang.
[19:04] <chx> it does
[19:04] <dfaure> switching to console and ssh both become impossible
[19:04] <chx> i need to press reset.
[19:04] <bokey> theuser1: make sure you do that in a console (ctrl+alt+f1)
[19:04] <chx> right
[19:04] <chx> i test with the caps lock key
[19:04] <bokey> wha?
[19:04] <dfaure> so, we need to downgrade xorg somehow...
[19:04] <chx> the led does not come up
[19:04] <dfaure> or upgrade...
[19:05] <d3jake> jackcy: Okay, thanks. I was hoping I wouldn't have to use KDE4...
[19:05] <dfaure> d3jake: 4.2 is fine
[19:05] <d3jake> In your opinion :)
[19:05] <bokey> hey dfaure
[19:05] <dfaure> d3jake: just saying - don't judge kde4 based on 4.0 or 4.1.
[19:05] <dfaure> bokey: hi
[19:06] <dfaure> anyone got a solution for poor ATI users? ;)
[19:06] <bokey> dfaure: whats been happening? it shouldn't be that borked man
[19:06] <d3jake> dfaure: I will use KDE4 on another computer and try it, give it a shot, etc. But the main computer I use is a slower laptop.
[19:06] <bokey> i run vidia.. but
[19:07] <dfaure> bokey: my wife's machine with nvidia was upgraded to jaunty without any trouble indeed ;)
[19:07] <zilti> Hi there, does anyone know an app like Virtual Floppy Drive but for (K)ubuntu? It should be possible to create, edit and mount floppy img-Files.
[19:07] <theuser1> bokey:  done.
[19:07] <dfaure> bokey: but the X server on my ATI-based machine won't appear ever, whatever I try.
[19:07] <dfaure> seems chx has the same problem...
[19:07] <bokey> theuser1: ok cool now restart kdm (in terminal); "$ invoke-rc.d kdm restart;"
[19:07] <bokey> dfaure: hrmm
[19:07] <chx> yes
[19:08] <chx> we both see a few discolored lines and the machine hangs
[19:08] <chx> this regardless of the video driver
[19:08] <dfaure> I tried the "ati" driver, chx tried "vesa"...
[19:08] <chx> funny: even when the video driver does NOT work it happens
[19:08] <chx> i tried _everything_
[19:08] <dfaure> after trying fglrx of course
[19:08] <chx> radeon, radeonhd, vesa, fglrx, fglrx latest
[19:08] <accol> aiiight
[19:08] <dfaure> and xorg.0.log doesn't show any relevant errors.
[19:08] <bokey> gee
[19:08] <chx> note please that radeonhd stacktraces and fglrx latest does not support Radeon 2100 anymore
[19:09] <dfaure> it's like the config is fine, but xorg crashes.
[19:09] <chx> that does not change anything.
[19:09] <zilti> Hi there, does anyone know an app like Virtual Floppy Drive but for (K)ubuntu? It should be possible to create, edit and mount floppy img-Files.
[19:09] <chx> i deduce it's not the drivers :)
[19:09] <dfaure> chx: you're such a sherlock holmes ;-)
[19:09] <yoritomo> ca c'est mon xorg.conf
[19:09] <yoritomo> http://pastebin.com/d5baa935d
[19:09] <bokey> chx: dfaure maybe you guys can try #kde ?
[19:10] <dfaure> bokey: this is definitely not kde related
[19:10] <bokey> dfaure: it'd be really awesome to have http pipeline in konqueror man
[19:10] <bokey> dfaure: right
[19:10] <theuser1> bokey: done. no use
[19:10] <bokey> theuser1: out of ideas man
[19:10] <dfaure> bokey: maelcum implemented http pipelining and it gave far too many problems
[19:10] <chx> this is xorg related.
[19:10] <bokey> dfaure: hrm
[19:10] <dfaure> and then he asked the firefox guys how they did it, and afaik they say "too many problems, we disabled it"
[19:10] <chx> is there a way to install xorg 1.3 ?
[19:10] <p-f> What could cause Flash to suddenly start crashing every time I load it? I haven't changed anything recently. Opera's plugin wrapper dies, Firefox segfaults.
[19:10] <bokey> chx: ask the X guys then?
[19:10] <bokey> :)
[19:11] <chx> dfaure: come to #xorg
[19:11] <bokey> lemme see too
[19:11] <dfaure> maybe I should get the source deb from intrepid and rebuild that one in jaunty...
[19:11] <bokey> i'll join chx dfaure
[19:12] <p-f> " segfault at 0 ip b229cda7 sp bff590c0 error 4 in libasound_module_rate_speexrate.so[b229c000+3000]"
[19:13] <MushroomKingdom> hmm
[19:13] <dfaure> hmm I'm confused, xserver-xorg is 1:7.4~5ubuntu3 in intrepid and 1:7.4~5ubuntu1 in jaunty ??
[19:13] <gigasoft> why is downloading programs for kubuntu slow?
[19:13] <dfaure> that's a lower number
[19:14] <bokey> gigasoft: you mean using konqueror?
[19:14] <MushroomKingdom> I'm having some troubles with apt-get right now. I downloaded a file, and I get this screen with the User Lisence Agreement, but I cant do anything with it
[19:14] <gigasoft> no
[19:14] <bokey> dfaure: someone screwed it up or wha
[19:14] <bokey> lol
[19:14] <gigasoft> synaptic
[19:14] <bokey> gigasoft: maybe your mirror is slow
[19:14] <B-Minus> hello
[19:15] <B-Minus> is there a http somewhere with the kubuntu alternate iso on ?
[19:15] <gigasoft> how can i change it?
[19:15] <yoritomo> nobody knows about that problem?
[19:15] <bokey> gigasoft: please talk here it might help others also
[19:15] <B-Minus> or can i set my downloadlocation to something else in kubuntu cause now its downloading at 10 byte/sec
[19:15] <gigasoft> how can i change the mirroe
[19:15] <gigasoft> r
[19:15] <gigasoft> to faster one
[19:15] <gigasoft> any help?
[19:15] <bokey> !mirror > gigasoft
[19:15] <B-Minus> !mirror
[19:16] <bokey> gigasoft: use one closer to your locality
[19:16] <B-Minus> where
[19:16] <gigasoft> ok
[19:16] <gigasoft> thankd
[19:16] <gigasoft> thanks
[19:16] <gigasoft> :)
[19:16] <dfaure> bokey: can you confirm that you have 1:7.4~5ubuntu1 in jaunty ?
[19:16] <B-Minus> can i set the mirror in the upgrade program somewhere ?
[19:16] <bokey> dfaure: i use 8.10
[19:16] <chx> dfaure: so what about changing the sources to intreprid, updateing xserver-xorg (yuck) and then pinning it?
[19:17] <dfaure> worth a try.
[19:17] <gigasoft> i meant synaptic downloading is slow
[19:17] <gigasoft> how can i change it?
[19:17] <gigasoft> server from where programs are installed
[19:17] <bokey> gigasoft: synaptic fetches packages from your mirror. if your mirror is slow, then its overally slow.
[19:18] <gigasoft> so how san i change that
[19:18] <gigasoft> ?
[19:18] <bokey> wha
[19:18] <gigasoft> 50 kb/s
[19:18] <B-Minus> i see
[19:18] <bokey> i already gave you answer
[19:19] <B-Minus> so its taken the mirrors tjhen
[19:19] <bokey> try changing your mirror
[19:19] <B-Minus> hmmz
[19:19] <gigasoft> ok
[19:19] <gigasoft> how
[19:19] <gigasoft> can i do it
[19:19] <gigasoft> ?
[19:19] <bokey> !enter
[19:19] <gigasoft> ok
[19:19] <bazhang> the day after a major release most mirrors will be slow
[19:19] <gigasoft> !enter
[19:20] <gigasoft> i hate slow speed's
[19:20] <gigasoft> :>]
[19:20] <bazhang> well really no way around it the first day after a release
[19:21] <dfaure> the fr mirror was quite fast for me today
[19:22] <bokey> gigasoft: do a check, run 'ping country.archive.ubuntu.com' to each of your country's mirror and see which one replies the first. use that
[19:22] <yao_ziyuan> how do i install kde 4.3 on kubuntu?
[19:22] <bokey> gigasoft: you need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list as root for that
[19:23] <chx> dfaure: i am not tricky enough with apt-get for this
[19:23] <bokey> yao_ziyuan: i dont thin they've packaged 4.3 for kubuntu yet
[19:23] <chx> dfaure: how can you do this w/o removing xserver-xorg completely?
[19:23] <dfaure> chx: I am not sure I know either ;) iirc there's a downgrade option somewhere
[19:23] <bokey> yao_ziyuan: you can download it manaully, compile it YMMV
[19:26] <ubuntu> hi, ive just upgraded my intrepid tonight to jaunty. which worked perfectly till the reboot i got root crypted with dm crypt. my passwords on bootsplash are invalid and after a while im getting droped to a shell.
[19:26] <ubuntu> where i get this> device-mapper: reload ioctl failed: Invalid argument
[19:26] <Dragnslcr> KDE 4.3 doesn't even exist yet
[19:26] <chx> dfaure: wont be easy the package names have changed. i think I will just buy a video card :( cant stay forever on hardy and ATI dropped support on Linux for my video chip.
[19:26] <bokey> haha
[19:27] <dfaure> chx: intrepid worked fine with the card too
[19:27] <ubuntu> anyone got a clue waht could be wrong here.
[19:27] <chx> dfaure: but kde 4.1 is problematic
[19:27] <dfaure> true. I was using my own kde on it ;)
[19:27] <bokey> Dragnslcr: it does in some one's figment of imagination!
[19:27] <bokey> haha
[19:27] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[19:28] <Dragnslcr> Unless you want to count the svn trunk as 4.3, but I sure wouldn't
[19:29] <bokey> :)
[19:29] <TMKCodes> Hey, Quick question. Does 3g mobile usb internet work with plasma?
[19:29] <valgaav> AFAIK kde 4.3 beta is suppsed to be released in about two weeks time
[19:29] <bokey> damn right
[19:30] <valgaav> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Release_Schedule
[19:30] <bokey> valgaav: great
[19:32] <valgaav> @chx : Ati did not drop support for your card
[19:32] <valgaav> they still support it with open drivers
[19:33] <dfaure> valgaav: doesn't work. (but I agree, it's not ati's fault, since the bug is driver-independent)
[19:33] <dfaure> must be a xorg bug
[19:33] <chx> I so do not care
[19:33] <chx> if you look at phoronix, it's clear that even without the bug it's unusably
[19:33] <chx> *unusable
[19:34] <chx> ATI just lost a customer
[19:34] <dfaure> what's phoronix?
[19:34] <valgaav> I'm using it :)
[19:34] <chx> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16228
[19:35] <valgaav> well I'm using open drivers and I am mostly happy with them
[19:35] <valgaav> I wouldn't call them unusable
[19:35] <dfaure> which videocard?
[19:35] <chx> look, nvidia has vdpau
[19:35] <valgaav> rs690
[19:36] <valgaav> radeon x1200
[19:36] <chx> RS690 -- that's supported by the latest Catalyst isnt it?
[19:36] <dfaure> valgaav: that's very close to mine. any chance to get your xorg.conf ?
[19:36] <chx> I do not want to support a company that dropped almost all but the very latest cards
[19:37] <valgaav> the ony thing I changed in Xorg is that I use XAA acceleration
[19:37] <valgaav> nothing more
[19:37] <valgaav> well nope I think rs690 is not supported by new fglrx
[19:38] <valgaav> You know chx Ati still pays  Xorg developers to work on open drivers for your card
[19:38] <valgaav> I would call that dropping support
[19:39] <tsimpson> if ATI cared, they'd make the drivers
[19:39] <valgaav> sp would / wouldn't
[19:39] <bokey> gigasoft: dude. you need to stop priv msging me. edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and put in the mirrors that are closest to you.
[19:39] <gigasoft> thanks
[19:39] <gigasoft> man
[19:39] <chx> valgaav: i must agree with tsimpson
[19:39] <gigasoft> and OK
[19:39] <bokey> !sources.list > gigasoft
[19:39] <roysunshine> hi all
[19:39] <valgaav> they are making the drivers
[19:39] <roysunshine> i need some help
[19:39] <tsimpson> valgaav: no, they don't
[19:40] <valgaav> how so ?
[19:40] <gigasoft> i just need time to  remember it
[19:40] <tsimpson> they don't make it, simple as that
[19:40] <roysunshine> someone has time to try to help me?
[19:40] <chx> you know this is funny
[19:40] <chx> for years, the problem with Linux was its wifi driver support
[19:40] <valgaav> they hired Xorg developer to work on the drivers and open documentation for their chips
[19:40] <chx> now , you can plug in whatever and it mostly works
[19:40] <beatzz> for the life of me i cannot change the hostname of my computer
[19:41] <chx> and now back to video drivers
[19:41] <chx> nice cycle.
[19:41] <valgaav> for me they are more commited to linux then nvidia is
[19:41] <tsimpson> valgaav: they "sponsor" a few devs, that's all
[19:41] <beatzz> I tryed "su hostname a6223w
[19:41] <beatzz> I tryed "su hostname a6223w"
[19:41] <tsimpson> !hostname
[19:41] <beatzz> but it dident do anything
[19:42] <beatzz> thanks
[19:42] <dfaure> beatzz: sudo, not su
[19:42] <beatzz> <-- feels stupid
[19:42] <beatzz> whops
[19:42] <tsimpson> and "specifications" aren't necessarily what's actually on the card/chips
[19:42] <bokey> we all do. nothing to be embarassed about beatzz
[19:43] <devilsadvocate> does 9.04 seem generally slower to anyone ?
[19:44] <dfaure> devilsadvocate is the devil's advocate :-)
[19:44] <bokey> lol
[19:44] <bokey> devilsadvocate: 8.10 here bud
[19:45] <bokey> roysunshine: yes?
[19:45] <bokey> roysunshine: public please?
[19:46] <laios> are cineva idee cum se instaleaza gyachi in ubuntu ??
[19:46] <bokey> !english
[19:46] <Tim__> hi......
[19:46] <bokey> hey
[19:46] <tsimpson> !ro | laios
[19:46] <bokey> roysunshine: can we talk here instead?
[19:47] <tsimpson> roysunshine: please don't /msg people without permission
[19:47]  * bokey is going to so /ignore someone now
[19:48] <tsimpson> !pm > roysunshine
[19:49] <roysunshine> ok anyway, i need some help, because the new distro made my pc a lot slower
[19:49] <bokey> and we have the devil himself
[19:50] <roysunshine> anyone knows how it works?and why it does not well?
[19:50] <bokey> !doesntwork
[19:51] <dynja> !ubottu degenerate bot
[19:51] <dynja> !ubottu_degenerate_bot
[19:52] <devilsadvocate> can someone on 9.04 check their cpu usage? im getting 99% cpu use by kded4
[19:52] <beatzz> Thanks editing /etc/hostname & /etc/hosts worked
[19:52] <beatzz> :)
[19:53] <bokey> devilsadvocate: fine here
[19:54] <dfaure> devilsadvocate: there's an upgrade bug that leads to that. does it still happen after logout+login?
[19:54] <dfaure> in any case that explains the slowness you're seeing ;)
[19:55] <devilsadvocate> dfaure, i rebooted. after the upgrade
[19:55] <devilsadvocate> dfaure, should i logout login once again?
[19:55] <dfaure> worth a try. and then attaching gdb, to find how which is the guilty kded module
[19:56]  * dfaure is recompiling xorg. chx, don't give up yet ;)
[19:56] <bokey> you can do it!
[19:56] <dfaure> bokey: I'll need help for the "upload to ppa" part ;)
[19:57] <accol> if i have problems during start-up (sometimes ubuntu just wont startup, and will just freeze) where should i look for help?
[19:57] <bokey> dfaure: hehe i am not a ppa member dude.. try #launchpad
[19:57] <dfaure> oh boy. asking questions about things where I don't even understand the question... ;)
[19:57] <accol> haha
[19:58] <chx> dfaure: i already ordered an nvidia card . this vdpau thing looks promisinf
[19:58] <shadeslayer> vdpau??
[19:58] <dfaure> what's vdpau?
[19:58] <bokey> chx: gee you must have heavy pocket
[19:58] <accol> sometimes when i turn the power on, it just freezes during bootup
[19:58] <bokey> :)
[19:58] <accol> better wording lol
[19:58] <dfaure> bokey: I thought launchpad was the bugtracker, what's the relation with sharing packages?
[19:59] <chx> bokey: 30bucks
[19:59] <bokey> dfaure: you can upload to your own ppa after the debs done.. for that you'd need an acct
[19:59] <chx> bokey: i spend 30bucks on a good lunch
[19:59] <bokey> chx: i dont have 30 bucks man
[19:59] <bokey> maybe you do
[19:59] <shadeslayer> chx: whats vdpau??
[20:00] <dheeraj> Kubuntu rocks!!! Trying 9.04... Alas again failed my nvidia 7050 card However nvidia installer worked.... Thanx Kubuntu  team for such a great product... n Nvidia too... :)
[20:00] <bokey> shadeslayer: just google(tm) it man
[20:00] <sponzor> is it posible to have cisco vpn client on kubuntu? or is it posiblle to use any other program to connect to cisco vpn?
[20:00] <chx> VDPAU is nVidia 's and lets you decode HD movies on Linux with a GPU
[20:00] <shadeslayer> ah.....
[20:01] <dfaure> why does https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/ppa only have gutsy and feisty?
[20:01] <bokey> dfaure: intrepid too
[20:01] <dfaure> not in the combobox
[20:01] <bokey> oh wait
[20:01] <shadeslayer> chx: i have a 8600mgt,thats supported right?
[20:02] <chx> should be
[20:02] <bokey> dfaure: odd
[20:02] <bokey> dfaure: maybe you want : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/ppa ?
[20:06] <Vermux> how do I see list of my partitions, and how can I access an ntfs windows partition with boot CD?
[20:06] <bokey> Vermux: 'sudo fdisk -l' shows partition
[20:06] <SeanTater> What music players (other than dragon player and juk) observe the "Multimedia" System Settings configuration?
[20:07] <bokey> !ntfs > Vermux
[20:07] <chx> dfaure: so you managed to fix the bug and upload a ppa now?
[20:07] <dfaure> bokey: not really, xorg isn't part of kde4
[20:08] <dfaure> chx: I just finished compiling a .deb. I have no idea about uploading a ppa.
[20:08] <bokey> dfaure: oh i lost context sorry
[20:08] <chx> dfaure: a deb of what?
[20:08] <dfaure> xserver 1.5.2 from intrepid, usable on jaunty
[20:08] <chx> dfaure: oh. nice trick. works?
[20:09] <dfaure> dunno yet. see "just" ;)
[20:09] <bokey> you can do it
[20:09] <chx> sure, how can i do it?
[20:09] <chx> but if it takes long..
[20:09] <bokey> its a line from a movie chx ;)
[20:09] <chx> dfaure: are you on AMD64?
[20:09] <dfaure> yes
[20:10] <dfaure> I'll upload the .deb if it works, gimme a minute
[20:10] <Vermux> it doesnt list anything when I do fdisk -l
[20:10] <Foxkeh> Hey, guys I have a problem with plain old Ubuntu(Not asking there 'cause we already tried and no replies, it just gets blown up to the top.) I try running sudo dpkg --configure -a and it keeps saying "Parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000" near line 1:" in there it just says "#padding". Can you help?
[20:10] <Vermux> sudo fdisk -l
[20:10] <devilsadvocate> ok. kded4 cpu issue is cleared up, but its still slow
[20:10] <devilsadvocate> looks like there is some issue with X
[20:10] <dfaure> hmm it complains about the modules kbd and mouse during x startup
[20:10] <Foxkeh> devilsadvocate: You sure it's not your computer?
[20:11] <devilsadvocate> Foxkeh, it _might_ be my install. its unlikely to be my computer as in damaged/slow hardware etc
[20:11] <gigasoft> where can i find all sources list
[20:11] <Foxkeh> devilsadvocate: How much RAM?
[20:11] <devilsadvocate> 3G
[20:11] <Foxkeh> devilsadvocate: Not your computer then.(I have 512.)
[20:11] <Vermux> bokey: ^
[20:12] <bokey> yeah
[20:12] <Foxkeh> I try running sudo dpkg --configure -a and it keeps saying "Parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000" near line 1:" in there it just says "#padding".
[20:12] <Vermux> it doesnt list the partitions
[20:12] <bokey> Vermux: where did you type them?
[20:12] <devilsadvocate> Foxkeh, and its 557 mb used. swap untouched
[20:12] <Vermux> bokey: konsole
[20:12] <bokey> Vermux: you got parted?
[20:13] <Vermux> bokey: I booted a laptop with live cd.
[20:13] <Foxkeh> I hate asking for help in IRCs... I wish someone would actually look for once.
[20:13] <bokey> Vermux: oomph
[20:13] <Vermux> bokey: it has windows on it , but it wont boot, it gave unrecoverable errors with chkdsk
[20:13] <Vermux> bokey: so Im trying to access the drive with the live CD
[20:14] <Vermux> is there another way to see all partitions?
[20:15] <bokey> Vermux: maybe your disk kernel module aren't loaded.
[20:15] <Vermux> maybe the fdisk didnt return anyhting because the hard drive is scr**d
[20:15] <bokey> Vermux: could be
[20:16] <Vermux> it just jumped to the next line when I typed fdisk
[20:17] <bokey> Vermux: check kernel log
[20:17] <Vermux> how
[20:18] <devilsadvocate> ok. X taking 50% cpu constantly is not right.
[20:18] <bokey> dmesg
[20:18] <bokey> thats bad devilsadvocate
[20:19] <devilsadvocate> precisely
[20:19] <bokey> devilsadvocate: what card?
[20:19] <devilsadvocate> the interesting thing is kwin rendering etc seems fine
[20:19] <devilsadvocate> but input is getting queued heavily
[20:19] <devilsadvocate> intel 965
[20:19] <devilsadvocate> bokey, intel GM965
[20:20] <bokey> devilsadvocate: ok so you know xserver-xorg-intel replaces 915resolution?
[20:20] <devilsadvocate> bokey, i havent used 915resolution in a long time :|
[20:20] <dfaure> 915resolution isn't a driver, it's just a tool to configure the videocard before starting X
[20:20] <bokey> devilsadvocate: isnt that for intel inbuilts?
[20:21] <Vermux> bokey: what should I look for in dmesg?
[20:21] <devilsadvocate> bokey, it used to be, but it got depreciated aroun 8.04 iirc
[20:21] <bokey> dfaure: its not a driver but xserver-xorg-intel includes whatever the heck was in 915resolution since intrepid
[20:21] <dfaure> right, it must be able to configure the card directly.
[20:21] <dfaure> 915resolution was a manual hack
[20:21] <bokey> yeah devilsadvocate
[20:21] <theuser1> bokey:  i cant play video files. i think it has something to do with the desktop effects
[20:21] <bokey> Vermux: you need to look if your disk module are being loaded
[20:22] <bokey> yup dfaure :D
[20:22] <bokey> theuser1: i dunno man. could be
[20:23] <alexbariv> hi everybody
[20:23] <theuser1> ok. ill ask someone else
[20:24] <theuser1> bokey:  ^
[20:24] <theuser1> i just upgraded to 9.04 kubuntu. when i open dragon  player. i see a blue screen of video and its sound. but no picture.  my kde desktop effect of present windows and box switch for visualstion of windows in alt+tab is also no working. any clue ?
[20:24] <alexbariv> so, im happy on my new install of kubunto 9.04
[20:24] <bokey> theuser1: do that
[20:24] <dynja> http://mybb2.ru//uploads/20080830/122004887182952636.jpg
[20:24] <alexbariv> but, WHY a cant get amarok 1.4.10 ?¿
[20:24] <gopogo> hi I am using the cursed kde 4.22 on kubuntu
[20:24] <alexbariv> what replace do you recommend for music and ipods ?
[20:24] <gopogo> i am not able to configure network
[20:24] <gopogo> what kind of 3rd grade network manager kde has
[20:24] <alexbariv> j #archlinux-es
[20:24] <gopogo> pathetic
[20:24] <theuser1> gopogo:  can you pres alt+tab and see with windows small visualisation
[20:24] <Vermux> bokey: what should I grep?
[20:25] <theuser1> gopogo:  can you have present windows effect?
[20:25] <theuser1> gopogo: what happens when you pres ctrl + f9
[20:25] <gopogo> yes alt tab is working
[20:25] <Vermux> bokey: what is sg0?
[20:26] <alexbariv> another audio player besides amarok 2 ?
[20:26] <theuser1> gopogo: what happens when you pres ctrl + f9
[20:26]  * dfaure has to recompile more packages; input stuff and drivers
[20:26] <gopogo> ctrl +f9 nothing happens
[20:26] <bokey> Vermux: try ata
[20:26] <bokey> alexbariv: therer are plenty
[20:26] <sponzor> dynja nice picture:P
[20:26] <theuser1> gopogo: it should cause in 'all effects.' present window                 has the hotkey of this
[20:27] <theuser1> gopogo:  check
[20:27] <bokey> alexbariv: xmms for a start :D
[20:27] <dynja> sponzor:  thank you)
[20:27] <Vermux> scsi0?
[20:27] <alexbariv> bokey: wich one? with ipod sync and all that... to bad that i cant get amarok 1.4.10 in 9.04
[20:27] <gopogo> nothing happens
[20:28] <gopogo> and hows its related with my network problem
[20:28] <bokey> alexbariv: hmm ipod syncing i dunno
[20:28] <bokey> with ipod syncing
[20:28] <Vermux> bokey: scsi0: ata_piix and scsi1... the same
[20:28] <bokey> Vermux: yeah did you see your disk?
[20:28] <alexbariv> bokey: well amarok 1.4.10 has that and perfect
[20:28] <bokey> cool
[20:28] <gopogo> how to configure network in kde 4.2
[20:28] <alexbariv> im thinking on trying banshee but that is for gnome
[20:29] <Nazca> I seem to have lost network manager widget ... it's installed but not listed on add widget ... help?
[20:29] <Nazca> gopogo: add widget -> network manager
[20:29] <bokey> theres no reason gnome apps can't coexist with kde ones
[20:29] <Vermux> bokey: that what I saw, what I wrote
[20:29] <Nazca> :)
[20:29] <gopogo> that sucks
[20:29] <Nazca> not really
[20:29] <bokey> Vermux: the disk is probably borked if you dont see in 'fdisk -l'
[20:30] <bokey> gopogo: knetworkmanager is what you want
[20:30] <Vermux> bokey: so there is no way to see the data on that disk?
[20:30] <bokey> Vermux: yeah get a piece of usb cable and hook it up to a box
[20:30] <bokey> Vermux: usb controller and cable is needed
[20:31] <Vermux> bokey: what box?
[20:31] <gopogo> network manager is useless in kde 4.2
[20:32] <bokey> Vermux: your laptop/desktop machine
[20:32] <Nazca> gopogo: huh?
[20:32] <bokey> gopogo: i'll tell you that in a couple of hours ;)
[20:32] <gopogo> doesnt write any thing to /etc/network/interfaces
[20:32] <devilsadvocate> ok, turning off compositing made it a tad bit usable, but X still takes about 80% cpu
[20:32] <bokey> gopogo: yep it doesnt
[20:32] <bokey> it uses its own configuration
[20:32] <gopogo> utter peice of crap
[20:32] <gopogo> doesnt work is all i cal say
[20:32] <bokey> lol
[20:33] <Geekguy> Hey all, I just upgraded Kubuntu from 8.4.2 to 9.x and am having a problem while booting. Bootup seems to go normally until the splash screen is shown and hidden. When the services are being started, my screen goes blank and that's the end of it. I'm running Kubuntu under VMWare, if that matters. Anyone else have this issue or know how to fix it?
[20:34] <fabio_> hi all
[20:34] <bokey> Geekguy: shouldnt matter afaik with vmware (can rule that out). i've run lot of distros in virts.
[20:34] <bokey> hi fabio_
[20:34] <fabio_> I've a problem. Can't start indexing with strigi/nepomuk
[20:34] <mackk431> hi i am trying to connect kubuntu 9.04 to windows i need help
[20:34] <fabio_> hi bokey
[20:34] <Geekguy> bokey, thanks. yeah, i don't think it has to do with vmware either, but am not sure what else it can be. any ideas?
[20:35] <bokey> Geekguy: your X server could be the problem
[20:35] <fabio_> Geekguy...do you use vmware?
[20:35] <Geekguy> fabio_, yes
[20:35] <mackk431> i used samba on kubuntu 8.04 but it isnt working on 9.04
[20:35] <fabio_> ah, ok...sorry
[20:35] <Geekguy> bokey, any idea how i can troubleshoot this?
[20:35] <fabio_> it's a problem with samba, not with kernel module
[20:36] <bokey> !video > Geekguy
[20:36] <fabio_> someone here is able to get nepomuk working?
[20:36] <bokey> mackk431: did you check samba service in kde setting? i blelieve there is one
[20:36] <Geekguy> hmm...i don't think it has to do with my multimedia apps, bokey (that's what ubottu messaged me about)
[20:37] <bokey> oops
[20:37] <bokey> :D
[20:37] <bokey> hang on a sec
[20:37] <Larson> are there known issues with jaunty and lenovo t61's? I just upgraded and hell has opened. Wireless hangs the computer and the kde panel crashes on start. Boot time is tripple...
[20:37] <Larson> can't be right
[20:37] <bokey> !X > Geekguy
[20:37] <mackk431> what do you mean with kde setting bokey?
[20:38] <Vermux> bokey: but how, I will need usb cable with 2 male ends
[20:38] <Geekguy> bokey, thanks. i'll have a look
[20:39] <fabio_> really...please. Someone knows how index files with nepomuk/strigi?
[20:39] <Xena_Linux_Princ> anyone solved  wpa wifi connection on 28.11?
[20:40] <mackk431> if nobody helps i am going to install 8.04
[20:40] <bokey> mackk431: go to control settings and select service manager
[20:40]  * genii waits for 10.04 so he can 8.04->10.04 LTS upgrade
[20:40] <bokey> Vermux: yes you'd need usb cable with a idetousb controller
[20:40] <roysunshine> hi all
[20:41] <bokey> Geekguy: what card is it btw?
[20:41] <Geekguy> ATI Radeon
[20:41] <bokey> hrmm
[20:41] <roysunshine> i have some troubles with my microphone, ever had, someone can help me?
[20:41] <Geekguy> bokey, the card should be ok...it's worked with two  previous versions of kubuntu
[20:41] <mackk431> i am an a german client do you mean the system monitor?
[20:42] <roysunshine> anyone?
[20:42] <bokey> mackk431: service manager in "system settings"
[20:42] <bokey> hi roysunshine
[20:42] <Vermux> bokey: then, I connect the hard drive directly to that controller?
[20:42] <bokey> Geekguy: there has been 2 other people with ati cards already
[20:42] <roysunshine> hi bokey
[20:42] <Vermux> and the USB to my laptop?
[20:43] <roysunshine> can you help me sort out my mic problem?
[20:43] <bokey> Vermux: yes connect it, check your kernel log and see if it turns up
[20:43] <Geekguy> ATI Radeon XPress 200 Series, bokey ... were they having the same problem as i described?
[20:43] <mackk431> dont have that do you have a terminal commando to start it bokey?
[20:43] <fabio_> i managed it!
[20:43] <fabio_> someone iterested?
[20:43] <bokey> Geekguy: not sure but they did hav ati cardds
[20:43] <fabio_> y/n?
[20:44] <Geekguy> bokey, you know of any way i can change runlevel at grub?
[20:44] <bokey> mackk431: KDE menu > Applications > System settings
[20:44] <fabio_> ok...so bye all!
[20:44] <roysunshine> bokey, how do i enable my mic on kubuntu?
[20:44] <bokey> why would you do that anyway?
[20:44] <bokey> roysunshine: i dont know
[20:45] <bokey> fabio_:
[20:45] <bokey> nm
[20:45] <roysunshine> cya all
[20:47] <mackk431> ok found it bokey
[20:47] <bokey> mackk431: cool
[20:48] <mackk431> but i still don know how to connect to windows
[20:48] <bokey> !samba > mackk431
[20:49] <raylu> sigh. partitionmanager in 9.04 sees ext4 as "unknown"
[20:49] <lorecaster> -SCREAMS- was working on my linux machine 18 hours yesterday, and around 6 this morning, while recieving help from "Arethusa" i took a wrong turn or something while doing a manual install of my nvidia 180.51 drivers for wine, and blew my computer into hell. I can't even BOOT the other install now. can anyone help me?!
[20:49] <raylu> i also can't find qtparted
[20:49] <raylu> lorecaster: for wine?
[20:50] <mackk431> how can i find your personal messages they passed spamming and are gone now
[20:50] <mackk431> i am not used to quassel sorry
[20:50] <lorecaster> oh! hey raylu.
[20:50] <bokey> !samba
[20:50] <AliG> Hi
[20:50] <pinion_> Hi there
[20:50] <lorecaster> i had to install mono to get past some dot-net errors, because CAD doesn't not like wine
[20:50] <lorecaster> we narroed down the install error to a video-card glitch
[20:50] <bokey> video card driver and 9.04 <---------- theme of the day so far!
[20:51] <lorecaster> -tear-
[20:51] <pinion_> Anyone know how to force a screen resolution in 9.04.  Everytime I hook this back up the KVM it goes back to only displaying 800x600
[20:51] <raylu> lorecaster: right, but what do you mean "for wine?"
[20:51] <lorecaster> to get autocad running in wine, i needed the vidcards updated to 180.51... in order to run my wine install properly
[20:51] <mackk431> yeah i know i used this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605 with kubuntu 8.04 but its not working on 9.04 out of a reason i cant figure out
[20:52] <lorecaster> but i guess that the first and foremost challenge is for me to get access to this room in a windows IRC client (MIRC?) so i can work on this machine during reboots with the chat on my windows machine on the same desk.
[20:52] <lorecaster> -pulls out hair-
[20:52] <Mark67> Hello
[20:52] <AliG> Hi Mark67
[20:52] <Mark67> Any could help me with a problem with wubi?
[20:52] <alexbariv> where can i view the services that are loading in the boot ? im on 9.04 ?¿
[20:53] <bokey> alexbariv: /etc/init.d/
[20:53] <AliG> Mark67: wubi?
[20:53] <Mark67> i have downloaded lastes kubuntu and it runs good on other pc's but on mine it wont satrt autorun with wubi app
[20:53] <AliG> what is it?
[20:53] <alexbariv> well, i know that, but i was thinking about an GUI for that
[20:53] <bokey> the first rule of wubi is not to use wubi
[20:54] <AliG> :-)
[20:54] <bokey> the second rule of wubi is not to use wubi
[20:54] <AliG> Love that
[20:54] <bokey> lol
[20:54] <AliG> and third:
[20:54] <Mark67> heh , with 8.10 it was good and now it just wont start
[20:54] <AliG> dont use wubi at all
[20:54] <bokey> AliG: third and i'll be called a troll and beheaded
[20:54] <lorecaster> what i really need to do... is to load my other install with command prompt, and install the proper drivers, overwriting whatever it was i did before
[20:54] <bokey> wheres my arm!
[20:54] <Geekguy> bokey, fwiw, the Networkmanager and Alsa daemons are being started. That's as far as it goes. Then on my screen goes blank. Any ideas?
[20:55] <AliG> bokey: I'm not a troll
[20:55] <bokey> i didnt say that AliG
[20:55] <Mark67> so anyone any ideas why this version of wubi is just not starting?
[20:55] <AliG> Ok? so please dont call me like that
[20:55] <raylu> lorecaster: mibbit is probably a better option
[20:55] <AliG> Yeah, I know u did want to call me like that
[20:55] <bokey> AliG: i didn't say you troll. its from a movie line bud
[20:55] <bokey> :)
[20:55] <AliG> nieborah
[20:56] <bokey> troll is a character <-- an amazing one
[20:56] <fde> Did Kubuntu drop the monstrosity that was adept in favor of kpackagekit, or is there now just two package managers around still?
[20:56] <AliG> bokey: LOL, what movie u talk abot
[20:56] <AliG> ?
[20:56] <fde> (in 9.04)
[20:57] <lorecaster> raylu, says i'm using a proxy
[20:57] <lorecaster> but it's on a windows machine, without a proxy installed
[20:57] <Geekguy> Anybody else get a blank screen while booting Kubuntu after an upgrade?
[20:57] <mackk431> can somebody grab my hand and tell me how to connect kubuntu 9.04 to windows *g*
[20:57] <fde> Geekguy: intel graphics?
[20:57] <AliG> what upgrage u talk about? 9.10 to 9.04?
[20:58] <mackk431> it worked on kubunto 8.04 but its not working on 9.04
[20:58] <fde> mackk431: define "connect"... how would you like to connect them?
[20:58] <Mark67> ok,anyway, if i choose to install it while runing the live cd ,will i still get it like with wubi with dual boot at the startup?
[20:58] <raylu> lorecaster: right... because you're using mibbit
[20:58] <Geekguy> fde, ATI Radeon Xpress 200 in my case
[20:59] <raylu> lorecaster: read the rest of the message
[20:59] <dfaure> Geekguy: welcome to the club
[20:59] <Geekguy> dfaure, you too?
[20:59] <AliG> I've some problem, but different and I've got AtiRadeon :-)
[20:59] <fde> Geekguy: I don't think AMD/ATI have updated the drivers... you using RadeonHD driver?
[20:59] <lorecaster> raylu: and i have no idea how to set the ports in this program
[20:59] <AliG> when AtiRadeon1300
[20:59] <raylu> lorecaster: what program?
[20:59] <Geekguy> fde, probably. were you able to work around it?
[20:59] <dfaure> Geekguy: yep. just getting some red pixels on top of the screen, and the machine hangs/crashes. Independent from the xorg driver being used.
[20:59] <AliG> thats 1300combo
[20:59] <mackk431> how can i whisper on quassel its new also
[21:00] <raylu> mackk431: just like any other client. /msg or /query
[21:00] <lorecaster> mibbit? please humour me, like i said, 18 hours yesterday, and i didn't even dream bewtween my name that i took between work-periods.
[21:00] <fde> Geekguy: I have intel graphics... but I just told you your work around... fglrx doesn't support xorg 1.6
[21:00] <Geekguy> dfaure, ugh ...any resolutions yet you think?
[21:00] <mackk431> thanks
[21:00] <raylu> lorecaster: mibbit isn't a program on your machine... simply choose freenode from the list
[21:00] <Geekguy> fde, so if i remove fglrx it should be ok, yeah?
[21:00] <dfaure> Geekguy: well I'm trying to rebuild the xorg from intrepid in jaunty... a pain...
[21:00] <fde> mackk431: do NOT message me
[21:01] <Geekguy> dfaure, i hear ya
[21:01] <lorecaster> i know it's not a program, it's a web applet... and i chose #kubuntu @ irc.freenode.net
[21:01] <fde> Geekguy: well, if radeonhd is around, sure
[21:01] <dfaure> fde: xorg crashed for me, even without fglrx as the driver
[21:01] <bokey> Geekguy: wait till dfaure uploads ppa ;)
[21:01] <mackk431> ok i go back to 8.04
[21:01] <raylu> lorecaster: ok, so what's wrong?
[21:01] <bokey> AliG: its from Beowulf & Grendel
[21:01] <raylu> lorecaster: (it's actually not an applet either)
[21:01] <dfaure> why does apt-get source xserver-xorg  download a xorg-7.4~5ubuntu3 ?
[21:02] <fde> dfaure: honestly, I'm not using Kubuntu atm, but I am using Xorg 1.6... maybe my dist includes more patches than the xorg in ubuntu
[21:02] <lorecaster> that's when it tells me i could not connect, and that i need to connect through ports 8000, 8001 or 8002
[21:02] <Nataouze> hey hey
[21:02] <raylu> dfaure: what's wrong with that?
[21:02] <Nataouze> Firefox is so great now with Jaunty :)
[21:02] <Geekguy> dfaure, do you know how to boot into console at least?
[21:02] <fde> Did Kubuntu drop the monstrosity that was adept in favor of kpackagekit, or is there now just two package managers around still?
[21:02] <theuser1> what is the package name to install xine?
[21:02] <dfaure> raylu: oh, hmm, ok, I didn't see that it created the right .debs, scratch that
[21:02] <dfaure> Geekguy: yeah, how do you think I'm recompiling ;)
[21:02] <AliG> I describe mine problem: 'cose got family usually Ive use graph to log in(sic), and when I try to log in, I see the X, then I see black screen, and X are restarting and I see again Log in.
[21:03] <raylu> fde: the former, apparently. i don't use either
[21:03] <Mamarok> !upgrade
[21:03] <fde> theuser1: apt-cache search xine ... probably libxine0 I think
[21:03] <AliG> Mamarok: I dont thik so
[21:03] <fde> Mamarok: did Kubuntu drop adept?
[21:03] <gimox> yep
[21:03] <Geekguy> heh...any way you can specify to boot to console at grub instead of having to go the livecd route?
[21:03] <lorecaster> am i better off scrapping the whole mess and starting, again, from scratch? or can i find the means to reinstall my nvidia drivers (ideally 180.51) in the other install on this hdd
[21:04] <fde> yay, during beta's it was still around  :S
[21:04] <raylu> theuser1: xine is library; what is it you want to do?
[21:04] <theuser1> fde:  raylu need xine player
[21:04] <fde> theuser1: xine-ui
[21:04] <raylu> lorecaster: sorry, i don't see messages without my name in them
[21:04] <theuser1> k
[21:04] <lorecaster> raylu, shall i repost with your name then?
[21:04] <AliG> I think that the reason is APT, or server (maybe to many connections) 'cose I tried upg 2times, and was falty cose I was disconnected at 90%
[21:04] <raylu> lorecaster: what is "it," when you say "it tells me i could not connect"
[21:05] <AliG> and could not do update again
[21:06] <lorecaster> raylu when i run mibbit, i did a search for #kubutu and selected the first item, #kubuntu @ irc.freenode.net... a fresh window pops up #ubuntu-proxy-users, an automated message tells me i've got a proxy running.
[21:06] <raylu> lorecaster: right. read the rest of the message in that channel
[21:06] <raylu> lorecaster: after a few seconds, you can join #kubuntu
[21:06] <AliG> I use linux for many years, and I just wanted to try that KUBUNTU, I think it's good distribution for DEKSTOPE, but the main problem in this distribution is upgrade
[21:07] <lorecaster> i've been invited to join #Ubuntu, but not #kubuntu... i've become adjusted to this group, and have made friends here... i'd prefer to keep it to people who know my problem
[21:07] <lorecaster> raylu
[21:07] <AliG> i tried 2 kubuntu's 8.04 and 8.10
[21:07] <raylu> lorecaster: you should still be able to /join #kubuntu
[21:07] <Mamarok> AliG: I didn't talk to you :)
[21:08] <AliG> Mamarok: I didn't talk to u as well
[21:08] <dfaure> hmm, where's the "type1" module located?
[21:08] <Mamarok> dfaure: wrong channel :)
[21:08] <dfaure> where's the xorg "type1" module located on kubuntu (and in which package?)
[21:09] <bendodge> pardon my ignorance, but how exactly does one get Strigi/Nopomuk and all that stuff going? and how do i actually search with it? i tried going into System Settings and checking them on, but "strigi service isn't running"
[21:10] <lorecaster> raylu, i don't have the constitution for this... leaving mibbit alone for a moment, is there a way to fix my video-card problems on the other partition? booting to command prompt should bipass not having the drivers installed, where the manual install instructed me to uninstall EVERY driver, reboot, and reinstall... but before i could reinstall, i get a black screen and the boot welcome greeter bugged out
[21:10] <AliG> try startX as root
[21:11] <pinion_> Anyone know anything about forcing a resolution in 9.04?  Should I be editing the xorg.conf
[21:11] <aib> how do I figure out which hardware device (in /dev/) is associated the list of devices in System Preferences > Multimedia
[21:11] <lorecaster> AliG, need  every command i'll have to use. i'm dyslexic, and tend to mess up commands unless i have them in front of me... thuogh all this confusion DOES facilitate accelerated learning! :D
[21:12] <Mamarok> dfaure: xfonts-scalable?
[21:12] <devilsadvocate> ok. X is now taking 90% cpu with kwin not running. there has got to be something wrong. help debugging the problem would be much appreciated
[21:12] <AliG> lorecaster: are you login in graphics or text?
[21:12] <raylu> devilsadvocate: time or cpu?
[21:12] <AliG> if in graphics version: try find in menu: console login
[21:12] <lorecaster> gui natively... but i'd need to log-in command-line to avoid the graphics errors.
[21:12] <devilsadvocate> raylu, CPU
[21:13] <AliG> lorecaster if in graphics version: try find in menu: console login
[21:13] <devilsadvocate> raylu, time is not very comforting either
[21:13] <dfaure> Mamarok: I mean where xorg.conf says   Load "type1"
[21:13] <raylu> devilsadvocate: time is normal, because most processes are children of x
[21:13] <raylu> devilsadvocate: and x is one of the longest-running processes on your system
[21:13] <AliG> lorecaster: then type: root and password
[21:14] <raylu> dfaure: type1 fonts, i believe
[21:14] <AliG> lorecaster:  and command: startx
[21:14] <lorecaster> AliG, remember that when i begin this process... i'll have to reboot in the other install on another partition... and will be devoid of all assistance from you guys... would need all the commands expected of me. hope i'm not asking too much :$ (taking notes now :D)
[21:14] <dfaure> (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0)
[21:14] <Mamarok> dfaure: ask in -devel maybe?
[21:14] <Mamarok> aptitude tells me its in xfonts-scalable..
[21:14] <dfaure> gahhh even the old Xorg from intrepid killed the machine's display
[21:15] <devilsadvocate> raylu, cpu usage is pretty bad. im looking at the threaded view in htop. it says 80-90% for X which is a child of kdm and which has no children that i can see
[21:15] <AliG> lorecaster:  dont worry, you'll not do reinstallation
[21:15] <lorecaster> but would menu-consol-login really help if i need to do a complete reboot? i can't even GET to the gui background in the other install
[21:15] <devilsadvocate> mem usage is about 212 MB
[21:15] <AliG> lorecaster: you'll just log in as ADMINISTRATOR
[21:16] <dfaure> so this ATI issue looks like it doesn't come from X, but from the fb stuff...
[21:16] <AliG> lorecaster: try: CTRL+ALT+BACKSCPACE
[21:16] <White_Pelican> will the jaunty 3.5 remix be available soon?
[21:16] <AliG> lorecaster: restart your X
[21:16] <theuser1> i cant run video files in kubunu 9.04 . just sound  comes
[21:17] <lorecaster> AliG, but that would leave me in THIS install, would it not? this one works fine... it's another full installation that neesd the work. i couldn't even log into the gnome desktop to open konversation and beg for help.
[21:17] <AliG> theuser1: what software u use to play movies?
[21:17] <lorecaster> and  i'm running ubuntu 9.04, no c+a+backspace :P but logging out would only leave me in this install
[21:17] <AliG> lorecaster: LOL
[21:17] <theuser1> AliG: dragon.
[21:17] <AliG> theuser1: hmmm try mplayer
[21:17] <theuser1> AliG: vlc
[21:18] <theuser1> AliG: done that too
[21:18] <lorecaster> AliG, i had to fresh-install linux on another partition on my drive just to get this far... need to go back into the other partition where i won't have your help... this is where i start pulling out my hair.
[21:18] <AliG> theuser1: VLC is COOL, and MPLAYER to u need just to change something in your settings in VIDEO
[21:18] <raylu> devilsadvocate: seems like a problem. i don't know, though; sorry
[21:19] <theuser1> mplayer usualy says erre opening//initsaliizinb the selected vidoout (-vo) device
[21:19] <theuser1> AliG:  ^
[21:19] <theuser1> AliG:  what do i need to chage
[21:19] <AliG> theuser1: cheers PAL
[21:19] <theuser1> AliG:  what should i do
[21:19] <lorecaster> -falls to the floor in a puddle of tears- lol
[21:20] <bokey> devilsadvocate: can you disable your 3d effects perhaps?
[21:20] <AliG> theuser1: I'm not on X actually so, hmmm I dont rememba, try it, dont worry :-)
[21:20] <devilsadvocate> bokey, already disabled
[21:20] <bokey> devilsadvocate: right still thrashing cpu?
[21:21] <devilsadvocate> bokey, majorly.
[21:21] <bokey> demn thats something horribly gone wrong
[21:21] <lorecaster> AliG, as i understand it... with my limited knowledge of the system, but my intimate knowledge of the circumstances... i'll need to log out of here, when i get my multi-boot prompt, log into the faulty installation of windows, end a process, uninstall, reinstall, start a process, and start THAT distro of linux, then remove THIS distro of linux leaving me with just one. am i understanding the rough process
[21:21] <lorecaster> correctly?
[21:21] <devilsadvocate> bokey, the system is usable now though, other than the apparant heating below my left palm :P
[21:21] <bokey> devilsadvocate: did you contact dfaure and see if you guys have the same card?
[21:22] <bokey> :)
[21:22] <AliG> lorecaster: u wont do reinstallation PAL, u are annoing
[21:22] <dfaure> bokey: ?? there's a huge difference between "eating cpu" and "crashing on startup"
[21:22] <joshjtl> can anyone tell me how to use the Activy Bar plasma widget?
[21:22] <bokey> dfaure: oh your X doesnt start yeah..
[21:22]  * bokey bad
[21:22] <devilsadvocate> i think he has ati though, iirc.
[21:22]  * devilsadvocate tries enabling UXA to see if it helps
[21:23] <AliG> lorecaster: you will NOT  do reinstallation of your system operating. DO U UNTERSTAND?
[21:23] <lorecaster> i did not say reinstall the OS...
[21:23] <bokey> wtf lol
[21:23] <lorecaster> pardon? i'm just trying to understand, i'm new to this, and listening to the advice of a user in a different room lead me to problems that have placed me over my head. I don't think it's necessary to call me annoying either.
[21:23] <lorecaster> :(
[21:23] <lorecaster> i should probably leave, i don't want to make waves, or offend anyone... i just thought i could get help here.
[21:24] <AliG> lorecaster: so shut one of your WINDOW and WINDOWS LOL
[21:24] <amgarchIn9> hi, so how do I upgrade to 9.04 from cmdline?
[21:24] <theuser1> i cant run video files in kubunu 9.04 . just sound  comes
[21:24] <AliG> lorecaster: it's OK relax
[21:24] <lorecaster> please allow me to try to make sense of this mess... i still believe that there is miscommunication.
[21:24] <AliG> lorecaster: but, try concetrate what people talk to ya
[21:24] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, umm.. what?
[21:25] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, you dont need to end a process in windows :|
[21:25] <AliG> lorecaster: I know what u need to do: you need to PRINT this conversation, and read it as many times as requareid. OK?
[21:25] <lorecaster> this is not windows
[21:25] <devilsadvocate> for _anything_
[21:26] <AliG> lorecaster: yeah, I know
[21:26] <lorecaster> i've said numrous times this is ubuntu 9.04, but i wanted to sort out this chat on a windows machine that shares my desk.
[21:26] <bokey> amgarchIn9: aptitude dist-upgrade bud
[21:26] <AliG> lorecaster: this is LINUX
[21:26] <lorecaster> i had given up on that, seeking only to fix this problem in my 9.04 machine.
[21:26] <bokey> lmao
[21:26] <Mamarok> AliG: please don't shout...
[21:26] <theuser1> i cant run video files in kubunu 9.04 . just sound  comes
[21:26] <AliG> Mamarok: sorry pal :-)
[21:26] <amgarchIn9> bokey: bud?
[21:26] <lorecaster> i genuinely cannot handle this right now. i'm trying to explain, and i'm not being allowed to.
[21:26] <AliG> Mamarok: why, will he escape?
[21:26] <bokey> amgarchIn9: means amigo
[21:27] <amgarchIn9> bokey: thanks, drug!
[21:27] <bendodge> anyone know how to get strigi working?
[21:27] <bokey> amgarchIn9: wtf
[21:27] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, what are the two installations? one of 8.10 and one of 9.04?
[21:27]  * bokey didnt deserve that
[21:27] <bokey> amgarchIn9: get a life
[21:27] <amgarchIn9> bokey: no, comletes in a few seconds, doesnt start
[21:27] <AliG> devilsadvocate: I like your nick
[21:28] <bokey> whatever
[21:28] <bokey> amgarchIn9: do you even a slightest of idea what amigo or bud means? if not stfu
[21:28] <amgarchIn9> bokey: amigo == droog in some eastern european langs
[21:28] <lorecaster> devilsadvocate, here's the situation... i spent all day yesterday working on the fresh-install of 9.04, and around 6 this morning, i was told to do a manual install of my nvidia drivers to solve a problem i had in wine running autocad... that manual install messed something up. so i couldn't even log into 9.04. I had to make another partition on my drive, and install another copy of 9.04 seperate from the
[21:28] <lorecaster> original 9.04 and load up konversation... though i didn't expect aggression when i got here. :(
[21:29] <amgarchIn9> bokey: stfu?
[21:29] <bokey> amgarchIn9: bud == buddy. and this is english channel
[21:29] <bokey> get it right
[21:29] <dfaure> lorecaster: there's a simpler solution than installing another copy into another partition ;)  either booting in rescue mode if you know the command line, or booting on a live cd.
[21:29] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, ok. did you happen to make a backup of xorg.conf before you installed the nvidia drivers?
[21:29] <AliG> lorecaster: can u give the specifications of your hardware, please?
[21:29] <amgarchIn9> bokey: dist-upgrade doesnt do it, completes in a few secs
[21:30] <lorecaster> devilsadvocate, that direction was in the manual install, i made SURE to do it :D
[21:30] <AliG> lorecaster:mainboard, graphic card, proccesor etc?
[21:30] <dfaure> amgarchIn9: edit /etc/apt/sources.list first ;)
[21:30] <bokey> amgarchIn9: apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:30] <lorecaster> dfaure, booting from the live CD wouldn't let me install konversation for some reason.
[21:30] <dfaure> lorecaster: ah. the cd might have quassel instead, I guess.
[21:30] <dfaure> (since konv wasn't ported to kde4 yet at that time)
[21:30] <lorecaster> AliG... my attempts to reason with you have not yet been successful, i'd prefer to seek help elsewhere than cause more problems here.
[21:31] <AliG> lorecaster: where u stay?
[21:31] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, restoring the old xorg.conf should get you to boot into it again. as for the nvidia driver install, do you have the link to the guide you used to install it? also, which driver do you need, the very latest, or will last months (or whatever is in the repositories) do?
[21:31] <theuser1> i cant run video files in kubunu 9.04 . just sound  comes.  any help???????????
[21:31] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, konversation is not in kubuntu 9.04 by default. quassel is used instead now :)
[21:32] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, you should be able to install it though
[21:32] <lorecaster> kept getting file not found errors... but answering your previous question now too :D
[21:32] <AliG> hehe, his using LIVE
[21:32] <devilsadvocate> take your time
[21:32] <devilsadvocate> AliG, you can install in live
[21:33] <AliG> devilsadvocate: that's a point
[21:33] <lorecaster> devilsadvocate, i have no idea how to restore the old one, i used the http://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual ... i had 180.44 (the most recent in the distros) but "Arethusa" in the #winehq forum told me i needed 180.51 or higher to make my autocad program run in wine...
[21:33] <AliG> devilsadvocate: he ough to change distribution, or get normal kubuntu and install it on computer
[21:33] <lorecaster> -rubs face- been at this for 3 weeks, trying to get CAD working
[21:34] <AliG> DISTRIBNUTION LIVE IS NOT THE SAME LIKE INSTALLED LINUX
[21:34] <JDShewey> I am having compiz issues: I have a dual head setup. The problem is I haven't even started compiz, but it is already running for :0.1. I run a VM on this screen, so I don't start a window manager for this, but compiz acts as if there is a 2 sided cube and rotates between the sides. Meanwhile, compiz is NOT running in KDE on :0.0. I have to issue compiz& to start it. Any idea why compiz is starting and how to turn it off for the one monitor?
[21:34] <bokey> lmao
[21:35] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, do you have that drive mounted on this install? maybe you could make some of the changes from here itself
[21:35] <lorecaster> i have two full installations of ubuntu 9.04, i am not using live, i have 2 partitions with 2 installs of linux. one buggy and won't boot, one working and using currently.
[21:35] <Bischoop> Bischoop:"To work Linux properly, Linux must be installed"
[21:35] <dfaure> Bischoop: what's your problem? I was the one suggesting to boot on a live cd to fix the real installation
[21:35] <dfaure> Bischoop: no point in shouting at lorecaster for a suggestion _I_ made above
[21:35] <lorecaster> has AliG (Bischoop) always had problems reading and listening to others? It's very stressful
[21:35] <bendodge> lorecaster: do you value anything on the buggy one? you might just nuke it and use the good one
[21:36] <Bischoop> dfaure: I know u done it, but he doesnt nahe understatnt that, cant u see that/
[21:36] <Bischoop> ?
[21:36] <lorecaster> i spent 18 hours getting my printer, sound card, network, video drivers, usb devices, video codecs... it's the time that i don't want to waste.
[21:36] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, in order to restore your old settings, you would need to copy the xorg.conf.backup to xorg.conf (if you want make a backup of the new xorg.conf, but be sure to name it something else, like xorg.conf.buggy)
[21:36] <Bischoop> what yor problem?
[21:37] <dfaure> Bischoop: you shouting at people
[21:37] <devilsadvocate> are any ops around?
[21:37] <JDShewey> lorecaster: I just joined, what is the issue you were having?
[21:37] <bokey> !ops > devilsadvocate
[21:37] <Bischoop> dfaure: I dont shout at people pal
[21:37] <dfaure> well AliG did ;)
[21:37] <lorecaster> JDShewey, about 3 pages of problems... i appreciate your offer, but it'd be better to pick it up as you go :P
[21:37] <Bischoop> dfaure: maybe that yor headphones?
[21:38] <Bischoop> dfaure: perhaps opend window?
[21:38] <JDShewey> Bischoop: you forgot to type at dfaure in all caps.
[21:38] <lorecaster> devilsadvocate, where is the xorg.conf file located? i found the other drive here
[21:38] <Bischoop> JDShewey: nieborah, Im patient
[21:38] <devilsadvocate> JDShewey, basically he has a problem with the new nvidia drivers, the one not in the repositories, which he needs for autocad
[21:38] <bokey> !troll
[21:38] <bokey> !topic
[21:38] <Bischoop> JDShewey: I dont want he thinks Im shout at him :-)
[21:38] <JDShewey> Gotcha. I am having trouble with the 173 drivers myself.
[21:39] <devilsadvocate> JDShewey, currently he is in a fres install of 9.04 on another partition, and attempts to manually install nvidia drivers on the old partition caused X to die
[21:39] <amgarchIn9> so, people, wish me good luck. Running kde in kubuntu, upgrading to 9.04 using Gnome updater ...
[21:39] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:39] <lorecaster> devilsadvocate: thanks
[21:40] <Bischoop> amgarchIn9: dont to upgrade till you see there are problems
[21:40] <Bischoop> amgarchIn9: wait till it will be Fixed
[21:40] <JDShewey> lorecaster: what card are you using (model #)?
[21:40] <bendodge> i missed the beginning of your lorecaster's problem. is this correct: he tried manually installing an nvidia binary blob and now has the no screens error?
[21:40] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, also, in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common , you might want to remove nv and nvidia_new so that next time it can find that
[21:40] <Bischoop> I'm gonna give notice at my website pals
[21:41] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, more or less. more like an X crashing error far as i can tell
[21:41] <lorecaster> nvidia 8600 is my card, and right you are bendodge
[21:41] <Bischoop> Anyway: I've got the same problem
[21:41] <amgarchIn9> Bischoop: fixed what? anyway too late. upgrade is running
[21:41] <devilsadvocate> lorecaster, what error does X give with the new binary blob, out of curiosit?
[21:42] <lorecaster> it said "greeter error" when i last say a message... and now i just get a black screen that hangs...
[21:42] <alex_crash> hi!
[21:42] <Bischoop> All that got the same problem, have the downloading of the files while installation been done or the connection failed?
[21:42] <bendodge> lorecaster: pardon the obvious, but did someone suggest the nvidia-configuration command or whatever that is (i went through the exact same problem, but that was years ago)
[21:42] <lorecaster> the onboard distro only had 180.44, i needed .51, and i was told in the winehq room that manual install was my best bet
[21:42] <joshjtl> can anyone tell me how to use the Activy Bar plasma widget?
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> joshjtl: if you zoom out using the cashew, you can add new "activities", sorta like virtual desktops
[21:43] <Bischoop> amgarchIn9  Are u not doing installations from rep for Developers? :-)
[21:43] <dfaure> success!! X from intrepid with "vesa" driver starts up!
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> joshjtl: you can then use the activity bar to switch between activities without having to zoom out
[21:44] <JDShewey> dfaure: you can also copy xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf if you get into that situation again.
[21:44] <Bischoop> :-) that's Cool, that mean vesa is OK what abot others?
[21:44] <dfaure> chx: success - works with fglrx too
[21:44] <bendodge> lorecaster: do i understand you have all your installs on one machine and your currently in windows talking to us?
[21:44] <joshjtl> JontheEchidna: what if my desktop cashew is missing?
[21:44] <amgarchIn9> Bischoop: no idea, update notifier said the time has come.
[21:44] <dfaure> JDShewey: that wasn't the issue. With my ATI X1300 card, X would hang/crash in all cases, whatever video driver was used
[21:44] <JDShewey> dfaure: if you use the vesa driver though you will not get any advanced graphics. No DRI/XGL/compiz or anything
[21:44] <dfaure> JDShewey: I know
[21:44] <lorecaster> i'm not running windows...
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> joshjtl: missing?
[21:45] <chx> dfaure: NICE
[21:45] <lorecaster> i'm tired and burned out, but i'm not quite THAT lost just yet...
[21:45] <dfaure> JDShewey: so I recompiled XOrg from intrepid, in jaunty.
[21:45] <chx> dfaure: url?
[21:45] <devilsadvocate> bendodge, he has two 9.04 installs - one broken and one new just for this :)
[21:45] <dfaure> gotta upload now
[21:45] <bokey> dfaure: congrats
[21:45] <JDShewey> dfaure: my, you are feeling froggy.
[21:45] <joshjtl> JontheEchidna: its not there
[21:45] <dfaure> froggy?
[21:45] <bendodge> ok, i was hoping he had two machine so he could stay here...so much easier
[21:46] <lorecaster> brb
[21:46] <Bischoop> Ive done it as well, just try everybody FEW times to start up X
[21:46] <Bischoop> Ive done it on ROOT
[21:46] <bokey> Bischoop: relax man :)
[21:47] <Bischoop> BTW I've got 8.10 LOL
[21:47] <bokey> so do i
[21:47] <Bischoop> Welome in club brotha
[21:48] <Bischoop> Welcome in club brotha
[21:48] <bokey> Bischoop: thanks
[21:48] <dfaure> chx: 7 minutes for the upload (slow ADSL here ;)
[21:48] <Bischoop> niebora
[21:48] <bokey> dfaure: canceled my ppa download was a crawl
[21:49] <bokey> dfaure: the servers overload
[21:49] <bokey> overloaded
[21:49] <Bischoop> Is the're any website of this channel?
[21:49] <bokey> kubuntu.org
[21:49] <Bischoop> I'm second or thir time here
[21:49] <bokey> Bischoop: kubuntu.org
[21:49] <Bischoop> ooo respect, I did know that is official channel, you are busy here
[21:50] <Bischoop> Where u from?
[21:50] <eclix> oi
[21:50] <bokey> oie
[21:50] <eclix> Hi
[21:50] <chx> dfaure: fine
[21:50] <bokey> Australia
[21:50] <chx> dfaure: i am happy for the help
[21:50] <eclix> Hi
[21:50] <bokey> hey eclix
[21:50] <Bischoop> what that mean oie?
[21:50] <Bischoop> Scotland
[21:50] <Veovis> Hi, can anyone tell me why my drivers listed in hardware drivers won't activate?
[21:51] <eclix> Brasil
[21:51] <bokey> nice one Bischoop. Do you know freenode has social channel? its called #defocus
[21:51] <Veovis> I highlight the wireless driver, click activate, and nothing happens
[21:51] <Veovis> In 9.04
[21:51] <Bischoop> bokey: I use freenode for long time almost 10 :-)
[21:51] <linux-hdtv> Can you view Youtube videos with Kubuntu 9.04 64bit ?
[21:52] <bokey> Bischoop: then you'd kow about #defocus right ;)
[21:52] <Bischoop> but different channels, cose I use kubuntu just for 3months ?
[21:52] <HighHo> !offtopic
[21:52] <Bischoop> bokey: no I dunno :-)
[21:52] <bendodge> Veovis: nothing at all?
[21:52] <Bischoop> bokey: is it detox?
[21:52] <Bischoop> LOL
[21:52] <bokey> linux-hdtv: yes
[21:52] <bokey> huh?
[21:53] <eclix> Ola
[21:53] <Veovis> The driver highlighted kind of treys out
[21:53] <Bischoop> shit,  I need go there :-)
[21:53] <Veovis> Greys out
[21:53] <bokey> linux-hdtv: although my konq crashes on vimeo.com
[21:53] <Bischoop> I apreciate it :-)
[21:53] <bendodge> Veovis: what's the name of the driver?
[21:54] <eclix> Oi
[21:54] <eclix_> gfjf
[21:55] <linux-hdtv> bokey, i get: Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
[21:55] <eclix>  Ola
[21:55] <eclix> ola
[21:55] <Veovis> bendodge: Its the broadcom sta wireless driver
[21:55] <bokey> linux-hdtv: try turning javascript on
[21:55] <linux-hdtv> english please, eclix
[21:55] <eclix> ok
[21:55] <eclix> hi
[21:55] <amgarchIn9> eclix: alo, they speak english here
[21:55] <HighHo> !flash | linux-hdtv:
[21:56] <dfaure> chx: http://www.davidfaure.fr/2009/xorg_debs.tar.bz2
[21:56] <eclix> speak english
[21:56] <dfaure> we do
[21:57] <Igglyboo> hi
[21:57] <eclix> Oi
[21:57] <Igglyboo> im running kubuntu jaunty and kpackagekit is blank
[21:57] <dfaure> chx: download, unpack, cd, dpkg -i *.deb, hopefully that works ;)
[21:57] <Igglyboo> it doesn't show any packages, and i have hit refresh a few times
[21:57] <Igglyboo> idk what to do
[21:58] <linux-hdtv> highho, thanks. so there is no flash specifically for 9.04 yet ?
[21:58] <chx> dfaure: let me see
[21:58] <dfaure> chx: you might have to remove some packages, like xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-input-all
[21:58] <dfaure> since I didn't redo all those, just the few we need.
[21:59] <theuser1> i cant play video . any help?
[21:59] <eclix> helo
[21:59] <HighHo> linux-hdtv: you can just also download from adobe website and place it in the /usr/mozilla/plugins folder :)
[21:59] <bendodge> Veovis: i'm looking at a bug report saying that driver causes kernel panicks
[21:59] <chx> dfaure: as i need to copy that to another machine, http://tinyurl.com/dfaure-xorg-debs :)
[21:59] <amgarchIn9> I always wonder how is it supposed to work --- full upgrade with system+X+kde runnung ...
[21:59] <bendodge> Veovis: one of the comments mentions it not activating with jockey
[22:00] <bokey> HighHo: linux-hdtv or in ~/.mozilla/plugins :)
[22:00] <chx> dfaure: a few and we will see.
[22:00] <dfaure> amgarchIn9: you'll have to log out in order to upgrade glibc
[22:00] <amgarchIn9> 31 sec remaining, then Il go to the other side
[22:00] <linux-hdtv> thanks, highho and bokey.
[22:00] <bendodge> Veovis: what's your distro version?
[22:01] <bokey> linux-hdtv: no worries
[22:01] <psypointer> TITTEN
[22:01] <Veovis> bendodge: Sorry, in another room for awhile Kubuntu 9.04
[22:01] <bendodge> Veovis: someone also reports this on ubuntuforums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1075778
[22:02] <bendodge> Veovis: np, i was just googling
[22:02] <amgarchIn9> dfaure: it must bee deeper, when you unlink a file it is not "shredded" if there is anythink using it. Say "mmap" or so
[22:02] <Veovis> Okay, Im on my iPod right now, following the link might make me exit automatically
[22:02] <Veovis> If I do exit, I'll be right back
[22:03] <davidjheinrich_> hi all, I'm ring to do the distro upgrade, and it is frozen at "Getting New Packages" @ 55% complete
[22:03] <bendodge> Veovis: there's not much to see
[22:03] <Mari> oi
[22:05] <Veovis> Yeah not much at all
[22:05] <Veovis> bendodge:
[22:05] <Mari> Veovis: there's not much to see
[22:05] <JDShewey> davidjheinrich_: be patient. The servers are slammed. It is update week ;)
[22:05] <bendodge> Veovis: yes? there quite a few other reports, mostly from 9.04 RC's
[22:05] <|PaperTiger|> I booted my computer today, and KDE seems to have changed to GNOME for some reason...
[22:05] <MushroomKingdom> I'm having problems getting sun-java5-bin, I cannot get past the configuration screen it wont let me press enter or do anything
[22:06] <|PaperTiger|> Well, it looks like GNOME.
[22:06] <Igglyboo> can someone help me with kpackagekit
[22:06] <amgarchIn9> |PaperTiger|: are you sure thats your comp?
[22:06] <Mari> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:06] <bendodge> Veovis: you might try installing manually, or you could just wait for a fix
[22:06] <|PaperTiger|> amgarchIn9, Bloody well hope so. Or I'm in the wrong house
[22:06] <Mari> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:06] <dfaure> Mari: stop it please
[22:06] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:07] <Mari> OK
[22:07] <Veovis> Sorry, mistype, the iPod keyboard is pretty poor
[22:07] <amgarchIn9> Mari: calm down
[22:07] <Mari> SPEAK ME
[22:07] <Veovis> How would I install manually?
[22:07] <dfaure> what a civilized way to get attention
[22:07] <|PaperTiger|> Should I try to installed 9.04, amgarchIn9?
[22:07] <Veovis> It's proprietary, so no source to compile
[22:08] <chx> dfaure: it complains about missing xserver-xorg-video-all
[22:08] <dfaure> chx: yes, as I said, deinstall it
[22:08] <Igglyboo> Kpackagekit is blank and does not show any packages, i have tried to refresh the list and change the filters with no luck, anyone help?
[22:08] <amgarchIn9> |PaperTiger|: cannot say, upgrade is running, dont know it anything works afterwards
[22:08] <dfaure> chx: dpkg -r xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all
[22:08] <jimmie_bO> hey folks, ... after installing the Jaunty KDE3 rmx my audio is not working anymore. A known bug?!
[22:08] <chx> dfaure: ah
[22:08] <bendodge> Veovis: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[22:08] <HighHo> !sound | jimmie_bO:
[22:09] <Bischoop> eclix is scottish allowed?
[22:09] <jimmie_bO> thx I'll try that!
[22:09] <bendodge> Veovis: from the readme it looks like a typical slog through console
[22:09] <MushroomKingdom> I'm having problems getting sun-java5-bin, I cannot get past the configuration screen it wont let me press enter or do anything
[22:09] <Yud_Zroc> my laptop cant run Kubuntu :(
[22:09] <Veovis> Okay, not a problem
[22:09] <|PaperTiger|> amgarchIn9, well, yesterday it was bugging me to install 9.04 but I didn't 'cos of graphics support. I wasn't 100% sure if there was support for my card
[22:09] <Veovis> Thank you very much bendodge!
[22:09] <Bischoop> Yud_Zroc: change laptop
[22:09] <davidjheinrich_> JDShewey: Thanks, I'll just let it go while I'm gone all night
[22:09] <theuser1> i cant play any video with any player. kubuntu 9.04. it was working in 8.10 any help?
[22:10] <Yud_Zroc> Bischoop: its a brang new laptop
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <bendodge> Veovis: np, sorry i couldn't do anything more than tell you that it's a known problem :P
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <dfaure> Mari: you're annoying the heck out of everyone
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <bendodge> hey! what happened to Zarro Boogs Found in bugs.kde.org??
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:10] <|PaperTiger|> Anyway to ban him?
[22:10] <dfaure> bendodge: was removed ;)
[22:10] <Bischoop> Yud_Zroc: it doesn't mean that's good laptop, can u tell what hardware das it got inside?
[22:10] <bendodge> that was an awesome message
[22:10] <Mari> RSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRSRS
[22:10] <dfaure> bendodge: we got bug reports about it ;)
[22:10] <Bischoop> bendodge: what message?
[22:10] <dfaure> people didn't understand it and found it bad humour
[22:10] <Mari> :)~
[22:11] <dfaure> Mari: it's not funny
[22:11] <Mari> ; )~
[22:11] <Yud_Zroc> Bischoop: 3 gig ram, 2.0 ghz duel core, nvidia 8200M G wifi works out of box
[22:11] <bendodge> that's too bad
[22:11] <amgarchIn9> Mari: not funny, what is your problem, btw ...
[22:11] <dfaure> Mari: please try typing this:     /quit
[22:11] <Mari> OK
[22:11] <Veovis> Knowing that it doesn't currently have a fix is better than wondering how to fix it
[22:11] <Veovis> I have to exit irc to download that, see ya
[22:11] <|PaperTiger|> How do I install 9.04?
[22:12] <Veovis> Thank you again bendodge
[22:12] <troyvit> anybody know why I would have no sound in flash apps in firefox after upgrading to 9.04?
[22:12] <Yud_Zroc> |PaperTiger|: read the news
[22:12] <bendodge> Veovis: np, hope i'm right (and there isnt' a fix :P)
[22:12] <chx> dfaure: hey
[22:12] <chx> dfaure: that worked
[22:12] <amgarchIn9> my battary was just "removed"! Dont upgrade to 9.04!
[22:12] <troyvit> |PaperTiger|: go here: http://www.kubuntu.org/news
[22:12] <dfaure> |PaperTiger|: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[22:12] <Mari> YOU IS WOMANAZER
[22:13] <HighHo> !rules | Mari
[22:13] <dfaure> chx: cool ;) I suppose you get a bad resolution too? I get an error from fglrx, says X is too old for it
[22:13] <Mari> OK
[22:13] <Mari> OK
[22:13] <MushroomKingdom> Can someone help me out? This window appears over my konsole when I try to get sun-java5-bin and I cant do anything. Does anyone have any ideas?
[22:13] <|PaperTiger|> Right, but that doesn't come up, My system looks like GNOME....
[22:13] <Yud_Zroc> can lag in the x server and gui as a whole be cause cause of a gfx driver
[22:13] <Yud_Zroc> MushroomKingdom: you should be at 6
[22:14] <lovre> i just upgraded to 9.04, and i cant move my mouse in UrbanTerror, any idea?
[22:14] <Mari> YOU IS FOOL
[22:14] <MushroomKingdom> Ok, how do i make the window go away?
[22:14] <Yud_Zroc> MushroomKingdom: sun-java6-bin
[22:14]  * bendodge starts urbanterror
[22:14] <Yud_Zroc> u must accept the terms ans agreement
[22:14] <chx> dfaure: i got 1920x1200
[22:14] <dfaure> chx: good enough :-)
[22:14] <chx> dfaure: K does not work yet. let's see a reboot.
[22:14] <MushroomKingdom> It wont allow me to accept
[22:14] <MushroomKingdom> I press enter but nothing happens and I cannot click
[22:15] <dfaure> chx: do you see this in Xorg.0.log? fglrx(0): driver needs X.org 1.4.x.y with x.y >= 99.906
[22:15] <HighHo> MushroomKingdom:  try spacebar
[22:15] <rmrfslash> wonder when it'll be called oracle-java6- bin ;)
[22:15] <linux-hdtv> I now realise my kubuntu 9.04 has no sound.
[22:15] <Yud_Zroc> is it posible to download a 8.10 cd
[22:15] <Mari> I M BRIGHT
[22:15] <MushroomKingdom> spacebar? ok
[22:15] <|PaperTiger|> dfaure, Right, but that doesn't come up, My system looks like GNOME....
[22:15] <MushroomKingdom> Spacebar doesnt work
[22:15] <chx> dfaure: i will check once reoobt is done, it now fscks my disks
[22:15] <bendodge> lovre: works fine for me
[22:15] <HighHo> MushroomKingdom: you installing from konsole?
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <MushroomKingdom> yes
[22:16] <MushroomKingdom> apt-get
[22:16] <dfaure> |PaperTiger|: then the manual way, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace intrepid with jaunty everywhere, apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <dfaure> Mez: please ban Mari
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <chx> any op?
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <lovre> bendodge: can it be because qt upgraded?
[22:16] <Mari> NO
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <devilsadvocate> dfaure, i did that. its a bit risky :P
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <blue112> :/
[22:16] <lovre> bendodge: did you install after or before upgrade?
[22:16] <Mari> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[22:16] <Mari> HAHAHA
[22:16] <dfaure> nixternal: please ban Mari
[22:16] <HighHo> MushroomKingdom: I will just try installing also see if i have any problems
[22:16] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[22:16] <troyvit> anybody know why I would have no sound in flash apps in firefox after upgrading to 9.04?
[22:17] <dfaure> devilsadvocate: worked fine on my wife's machine, why would it be risky?
[22:17] <chx> dfaure: i asked #freenode, let's hope
[22:17] <bendodge> lovre: i didn't install - i just unzipped the all-OS file
[22:17] <Mari> LATER
[22:17] <MushroomKingdom> HighHo: it's just strange nothing gets me past the window
[22:17] <|PaperTiger|> dfaure, and how do I do that exactly? What do you mean replace intreped wit Jaunty?
[22:17] <Mari> PLEASE
[22:17] <lovre> bendodge: i see. ok
[22:17] <devilsadvocate> dfaure, something in openoffice was broken and borked my upgrade experience :|
[22:17] <HighHo> MushroomKingdom: its the sun-java5-jre package?
[22:17] <blue112> Here here, is there a way to install amarok 1.6 ? I really dislike the 2.0 :/
[22:17] <|PaperTiger|> dfaure, my system has actually changed to GNOME from KDE... :S
[22:17] <theuser1> i cant play any video with any player. kubuntu 9.04. when i click a movie two times. first player windows shows blue screen. the other works good. then i close the first one to watch the movies. whats happening ?it was working in 8.10.  any help?
[22:17] <MushroomKingdom> HighHo: sun-java5-bin
[22:17] <chx> !ops
[22:17] <dfaure> devilsadvocate: a bit of apt-get remove and apt-get -f install can solve that kind of thing
[22:18] <Byron> !op
[22:18] <Mari>  Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, genii, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild, Pici or jussi01!
[22:18] <lovre> troyvit: remove flashplugin-nonfree install adobe-flashplugin?
[22:18] <nixternal> Byron: ???
[22:18] <Byron> nixternal: Can we please get a ban on Mari?
[22:18] <LjL> nixternal: see mari above
[22:18] <dfaure> nixternal: can you kickban Mari?
[22:18] <nixternal> dfaure: ahh, got it :)
[22:18] <chx> nixternal: THANKS.
[22:18] <dfaure> phew, thanks
[22:18] <nixternal> hehe
[22:18] <Byron> Thanks nixternal
[22:18] <|PaperTiger|> Fnally.
[22:19] <|PaperTiger|> Thanks
[22:19] <blue112> :)
[22:19] <HighHo> MushroomKingdom: might take a few mins to download for me at the moment :)
[22:19] <blue112> Is there a way to install amarok 1.6 ? I really dislike the 2.0 :/
[22:19] <nixternal> dfaure: what are you doing trolling our neck of the woods? :p
[22:19] <devilsadvocate> dfaure, yeah, but when it spews out 150 lines of dependancy errors one tends to get a bit scared :|
[22:19] <dfaure> nixternal: upgrading ;)
[22:19] <MushroomKingdom> HighHo: :) ok
[22:19] <troyvit> lovre: thakns I'll try it
[22:19] <nixternal> woohoo
[22:19]  * nixternal notes that everyone should point all questions to dfaure :p
[22:19]  * nixternal runs and hides
[22:19] <dfaure> hey.
[22:19] <nixternal> hahahaha
[22:19] <dfaure> only kdelibs questions :)
[22:20] <|PaperTiger|> :S I'm so confused. KDE has changed to GNOME... and I didn't install anything at all...
[22:20] <blue112> What's about amarok ?
[22:20] <nixternal> I haven't got to kdelibs today...building out qt-copy, qca, and then on to kdesupport...then I am sure to bug you later :)
[22:20] <amgarchIn9> |PaperTiger|: just log out and select new window manager ...
[22:20] <dfaure> |PaperTiger|: go back to kdm (the login screen) and choose kde in the "Session type" menu?
[22:20] <mackindale> can compiz be used on kubuntu 9.04?
[22:20] <rmrfslash> mackindale: yeah
[22:21] <nixternal> mackindale: I don't want to tell you no, but I am not 100% sure, but at the same time I know people do it
[22:21] <|PaperTiger|> dfaure, I'll try that
[22:21] <rmrfslash> mackindale: not very well though. KDE has it's own native compositing. You should use that.
[22:21] <mackindale> oh?
[22:21] <chx> dfaure: this is me from desktop!
[22:21] <chx> dfaure: thanks. works. somewhat.
[22:21] <blue112> So, is there a way to install amarok 1.6 ?
[22:21] <bendodge> mackindale: under Desktop in System Settings
[22:21] <dfaure> chx: no acceleration, right?
[22:22] <|PaperTiger|> Thank you! It worked :)
[22:22] <chx> dfaure: seems so.
[22:22] <chx> dfaure: slow as hell.
[22:22] <theuser1>  i cant play any video with any player. kubuntu 9.04. when i click a movie two times. first player windows shows blue screen. the other works good. then i close the first one to watch the movies. whats happening ?it was working in 8.10.  any help?
[22:22] <rmrfslash> mackindale: Kickoff > Computer > System Settings > Desktop
[22:22] <dfaure> chx: I don't know much about fglrx; any idea where the warnings in Xorg.0.log come from?
[22:22] <chx> dfaure: glxgears sez, Xlib:  extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0".
[22:23] <HighHo> MushroomKingdom: worked for me, it came up with agreement, i pressed "page down" till the bottom then "tab" pressed "enter" and then "left" and "enter"
[22:23] <amgarchIn9> chx: getting that too
[22:23] <dfaure> chx: ah right, Xlib won't find that new extension thing
[22:23] <zulu> no sound with videos from Youtube
[22:23] <MushroomKingdom> HighHo: you are my hero! Thank you so much
[22:23] <chx> dfaure: give me a second, i am on the vesa driver :)
[22:23] <dfaure> ;)
[22:24] <HighHo> MushroomKingdom: your welcome
[22:24] <alumno_> hola gordo
[22:24] <alumno_> cual es tu  nick
[22:24] <alumno> nose
[22:24] <alumno_> israellllllllllllllllll
[22:24] <HighHo> !es | alumno:
[22:24] <israel> kual
[22:25] <blue112> Is there a way to install amarok 1.6 ?
[22:27] <alumno_> gordoooooooooooooooooo
[22:27] <bendodge> blue112: i've never tried anything like that, but you might try finding 1.6 in an older repo's online listing and download it
[22:28] <bendodge> blue112: uninstall 2 and install the 1.6 package
[22:28] <blue112> bendodge: Ok, that's what I though.
[22:28] <israel> rogger
[22:28] <impalad> alumno_ >>> roger
[22:30] <andre> hi
[22:32] <Nini-mint> hello
[22:32] <theuser1> i cant play any video with any player. kubuntu 9.04. when i click a movie two times. first player windows shows blue screen. the other works good. then i close the first one to watch the movies. whats happening ?it was working in 8.10.  any help?
[22:33] <HighHo> theuser1: check the output settings for the player you use, seems like a problem with that or maybe video driver
[22:33] <Byron> theuser1: Have you installed the new w32codecs and libdvdread4?
[22:34]  * nixternal is watching
[22:34] <theuser1> Byron:  yes
[22:34] <amgarchIn9> Nini-mint: just ask, they dont bite
[22:35] <Byron> theuser1: Did you 'sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh' as well?
[22:35] <theuser1> HighHo:  Byron i think its the driver. because i upgraded distro. it was working in the previous. now in new. some desktop effects are also not working
[22:35] <chx> dfaure: only vesa works for me. but that's good enough for now.
[22:35] <theuser1> Byron:  yes
[22:35] <peaches> is this policy kit POS not working because ubuntu package servers are hammered or what
[22:35] <HighHo> theuser1: what player are you using?
[22:35] <Byron> theuser1: OK. Just making sure.
[22:35] <dfaure> chx: oh. actually fglrx works great here
[22:36] <rhkfin> Anyone being able to tell what's wrong here (apt.log, trying to update, getting 'an unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade': http://pastebin.com/d7780f0a2
[22:37] <MushroomKingdom> I just found out my soundcard doesnt work :?
[22:37] <theuser1> dragon
[22:37] <MushroomKingdom> :/*
[22:37] <ign0ramus> hey all
[22:38] <HighHo> theuser1: I know its not a solution, as such but have you tryed vlc or an alternative player?
[22:38] <ign0ramus> So my upgrade from 8.04 (KDE3) to 9.04 went terribly, and froze.  Now I have a system that boots but is barely usable... :(
[22:38] <MushroomKingdom> SOUND
[22:38] <MushroomKingdom> I NEED IT
[22:39] <theuser1> HighHo:  yes
[22:39] <ign0ramus> I have the live cd .iso... is there a way to finish the upgrade from the live cd?
[22:39] <lovre> one question, when i open multiple tabs in firefox, it tends to get veeeery slow. Specially if there is flash animation in tabs. Why is this, and can it be fixed somehow? Im using kubuntu 9.04
[22:39] <ign0ramus> !sound
[22:39] <chx> dfaure: at least I can *use* my desktop.
[22:39] <peaches> arts thats outdated
[22:39] <theuser1> HighHo:  will recongiguring some thing help?
[22:41] <ign0ramus> does anyone know if i can use the Jaunty LiveCD to upgrade?
[22:42] <HighHo> theuser1:  you can try reseting (as such) your xorg config: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:42] <theuser1> (EE) intel(0): Failed to pin xv buffer
[22:42] <theuser1> (EE) intel(0): Failed to pin xv buffer
[22:42] <theuser1> xorg log
[22:43] <igore> salve!
[22:43] <igore> c'è qualcuno?!?
[22:43] <igore> sono un nuovo "kubuntu"!
[22:43] <HighHo> !fr | igore:
[22:44] <igore> ah! il est frances!
[22:44] <igore> oh, je parle en peu francaiese...
[22:44] <igore> soh
[22:45] <HighHo> theuser1: do you have vlc installed, if so  you might want to try loading that, press "ctrl + p" select video tad and try changing the output, try opengl perhaps
[22:45] <Mamarok> !it | igore
[22:46] <HighHo> theuser1: I know there are some problems with the intel driver at the moment.
[22:46] <HighHo> oops, i guess i dont know my italian from french :D
[22:47] <igore> it
[22:47] <theuser1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/304871?comments=all HighHo
[22:48] <pucko-> rhkfin, it's hard to tell from that log, I think, but obviously a dependency problem. try removing one or two or the packages that keeps making trouble and try again. my guess would be kipi-plugins
[22:50] <rhkfin> pucko-: appreciated, will try!
[22:50] <HighHo> theuser1: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzIyMA i have just read this, not to sure how it effects laptop/desktops as its about netbooks but still the intel driver
[22:52] <draik> How can I manage my keyboard so that I can have NumLock enabled? It appears that the Keyboard option is gone from the Keyboard & Mouse section within System Settings. It has been for quite some time, but I just hoped it would return with 9.04
[22:52] <theuser1> HighHo:  ya. thats it. what can be done now
[22:52] <dfaure> draik: apt-get install numlockx
[22:52] <MushroomKingdom> Is there something I should download to enable transparency on my desktop (to see through konsole to the desktop)?
[22:53] <draik> dfaure: Ok, and what about the setup for the keyboard repeats?
[22:53] <theuser1> HighHo:  can i got back to the previous driver of intel that was working?
[22:53] <dfaure> draik: kcmshell4 keyboard
[22:53] <dfaure> (that's in systemsettings too)
[22:53] <FoxBlitzz> MushroomKingdom: Why? That's standard functionality in KWin
[22:53] <HighHo> theuser1: unfortuantly I dont really know what else you can try as i dont use the driver, hopefully someone else might be able to help
[22:53] <draik> dfaure: They have been removed since 8.10. I don't have it there.
[22:54] <dfaure> draik: I doubt that. It's provided by KDE, at least.
[22:54] <theuser1> ok
[22:54] <FoxBlitzz> Click the application's titlebar icon, go to the Opacity menu
[22:54] <dfaure> draik: and it's on my wife's kubuntu.
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> I have the keyboard settings here on my KUbuntu install too
[22:54] <FoxBlitzz> You can even force a per-application opacity setting
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> *Kubuntu
[22:55] <MushroomKingdom> FoxBlitzz: I would like to see my desktop through konsole
[22:56] <Bischoop> nahe startX on user, only root or sudo
[22:56] <draik> dfaure: Couldn't find kcmshell4 or keyboard packages
[22:56] <peaches> MushroomKingdom: 3d desktop alpha blend any window
[22:56] <dfaure> draik: I wasn't referring to packages
[22:56] <dfaure> draik: type that command in a terminal:  kcmshell4 keyboard
[22:57] <MushroomKingdom> It tells me I cant have transparency its not suported by my desktop
[22:57] <mermshaus> Hi folks. Does anybody have an idea why phpmyadmin started showing nothing but a blank page in Jaunty? I tried to purge/reinstall the package a couple of times but that didn't do anything. Any help much appreciated. :)
[22:57] <peaches> MushroomKingdom: do you 3d desktop
[22:57] <MushroomKingdom> i have things enabled
[22:58] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: You can't enable KDE desktop effects transparency of something?
[22:58] <peaches> alt+f3 transparency do anything?
[22:58] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: sorry, I'm late
[22:58] <Freddy2> hi
[22:58] <peaches> sup freddy
[22:58] <draik> dfaure: It didn't do anything.
[22:59] <MushroomKingdom> I enabled desktop effects but it still tells me I cant have transparent effects
[22:59] <peaches> wait what
[22:59] <Freddy2> is there any fully-plasmoid panel that may be shown only in a single activity? right now panels seem to work independently, and appear on all your activities
[22:59] <Freddy2> (4.2)
[23:00] <peaches> MushroomKingdom:  where does it say that? when  you do what exactly
[23:00] <peaches> thats a new error to me
[23:00] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: What's graphics adapter?
[23:00] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: Intel, ATI, Nvidia
[23:00] <MushroomKingdom> Nvidia
[23:01] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: restricted driver?
[23:01] <MushroomKingdom> uhh not sure
[23:01] <rmrfslash> k
[23:01] <peaches> nvidia should pwn transparency
[23:01] <dfaure> draik: got disconnected. saw the config module now?
[23:01] <B-Minus> v
[23:01] <Bischoop> rmrfslash: try Envy
[23:01] <draik> dfaure: Nope. Nothing happened.
[23:01] <B-Minus> hello
[23:02] <peaches> MushroomKingdom: proprietary driver that biatch
[23:02] <MushroomKingdom> It wont allow me to install any drivers because of a backend crash
[23:02] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: OK... Go to Kickoff > Applications > System > hardware Drivers
[23:02] <Bischoop> rmrfslash: google.co.uk/linux
[23:02] <B-Minus> i just did a clean install kubunti 9.0.4
[23:02] <rhkfin> pucko-: Indeed, removing gnome/gtk-stuff helped and then isntallation started, GREAT!
[23:02] <dfaure> draik: kubunty jaunty, inside kde4, you type kcmshell4 keyboard, and nothing happens ??
[23:02] <B-Minus> and i already had many fatal errors :(
[23:02] <MushroomKingdom> kk
[23:02] <rmrfslash> Bischoop: that's been around a while
[23:03] <draik> dfaure: Right. I opened konsole/yakuake and typed it in. Nothing more than a return to the prompt
[23:03] <MushroomKingdom> searching for drivers
[23:03] <dfaure> draik: kcmshell4 --list | grep keyboard
[23:03] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: of course all the kiddies are also lookin for drivers w/ you... could take a bit
[23:03] <Bischoop> rmrfslash: oh sorry pal, I just joined :-)
[23:03] <MushroomKingdom> yeah
[23:03] <draik> dfaure: keyboard_layout       - Keyboard Layout
[23:03] <draik> That's all I get
[23:03] <B-Minus> anyone else had fatal crashes with the new kubuntu ?
[23:04] <B-Minus> it doesnt feel stable for me :(
[23:04] <MushroomKingdom> I find it very stable
[23:04] <MushroomKingdom> had a few dolphin crashes
[23:04] <peaches> B-Minus: not yet should be happening any moment now
[23:04] <MushroomKingdom> but everything seems good
[23:04] <rmrfslash> B-Minus: I've had some complete hangs yeah.
[23:04] <B-Minus> hmm
[23:04] <draik> I was actually getting what I expected; my desktop isn't dropping off the network for some odd ball, unknown reason.
[23:05] <rmrfslash> B-Minus: like, caps lock flashing kind of crash
[23:05] <mermshaus> B-Minus: I get a system stop every few minutes when I enable desktop effects. But apart from that, it runs great. :)
[23:05] <MushroomKingdom> still searching for drivers lol
[23:05] <dfaure> draik: got a /usr/share/kde4/services/keyboard.desktop ?
[23:05] <peaches> my console login is hanged, had to replace video driver im in no hurry to reboot cause i doubt it's going to come up again
[23:05] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: Seems like it shouldn't take *that* long but.... could
[23:05] <B-Minus> ive crashes with wireless and also with kpackagekit
[23:05] <draik> dfaure: Yes
[23:06] <dfaure> draik: you must be hitting the bug I fixed recently, where that keyboard.desktop clashes with a gnome keyboard.desktop
[23:06] <MushroomKingdom> i have a bad connection :(
[23:06] <rmrfslash> B-Minus: can't complain too much I guess... kubuntu is frickin' free
[23:06] <dfaure> draik: make a copy of that file, in the same dir, call it kcm_keyboard.desktop
[23:06] <B-Minus> thats true but i had 8.10 before and didnt have a single crash
[23:06] <dfaure> draik: then run "kbuildsycoca4", then it should appear.
[23:07] <peaches> took me at one or two hours getting packkit crap working. the documentation is shit. now i'm at the point where i dont know if it's still broken or server hogged
[23:07] <B-Minus> maybe ive got to wait a few months
[23:07] <rmrfslash> B-Minus: lots of changes in 9.04, yeah, just need to wait some of em out
[23:07] <draik> dfaure: Ok, done. Here goes...
[23:07] <MushroomKingdom> could I apt-get the drivers?
[23:07] <B-Minus> so quessel irc is the new irc client then
[23:07] <B-Minus> looks kinda ok
[23:07] <linux-hdtv> i have sound in kde, but not in mplayer playing avi.
[23:07] <draik> dfaure: Yes. That fixed it. Thank you so much.
[23:08] <linux-hdtv> medibuntu installed, in kubuntu 9.04
[23:08] <amgarchIn9> updater suggests to remove 85 obsolete packages. Should I?
[23:08] <raylu> amgarchIn9: why not?
[23:08] <mermshaus> (Oh, yeah, and phpmyadmin stopped working in 9.04. which is pretty bad. *bump*)
[23:08] <raylu> mermshaus: what's wrong with it?
[23:08] <mermshaus> When I try to open localhost/phpmyadmin/ there's nothing but a blank page.
[23:09] <rmrfslash> Is glx the open source nvidia driver?
[23:09] <raylu> rmrfslash: no. nv is
[23:09] <raylu> mermshaus: what httpd?
[23:09] <raylu> B-Minus: kinda ok?! have you used it?
[23:09] <B-Minus> using it now
[23:09] <mermshaus> raylu: ehm, Apache2?
[23:09] <raylu> B-Minus: how many windows do you have open?
[23:09] <raylu> mermshaus: did you install phpmyadmin from the repos or manually?
[23:09] <B-Minus> 1 irc channel
[23:10] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: apt-cache search nvidia
[23:10] <raylu> B-Minus: ah. that might be why. it's impossible to move between channels with the keyboard
[23:10] <raylu> B-Minus: there is an undocumented, unconfigurable way, though
[23:10] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: you need one of the nvidia-glx drivers
[23:10] <mermshaus> raylu: from the repos. I didn't do a clean install of Jaunty, though. I tried to purge and reinstall phpmyadmin but it didn't help.
[23:10] <raylu> mermshaus: /var/www should have a symlink to phpmyadmin, iirc
[23:10] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: not sure which one of course, what's the most recent or are they broken down by boards?
[23:11] <raylu> mermshaus: either that or there's a virtual directory for it in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[23:11] <mermshaus> raylu: phpmyadmin itself is reachable. I tried with an echo in its index.php. it's kind of weird. :\
[23:11] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: I *assume* the 180 version
[23:11] <raylu> mermshaus: oh. then remove the config and reconfigure it
[23:11] <mermshaus> raylu: I guess there's something in /etc/apache2/conf.d that includes phpmyadmin
[23:12] <rmrfslash> Anyone know the difference between the glx drivers in the repos? There's ones nvidia-glx-96, 71, 173 and 180
[23:12] <raylu> mermshaus: there's something that includes all of /etc/apache2/sites-available that points /phpmyadmin to /var/lib/.../phpmyadmin
[23:12] <rmrfslash> are these just versions?
[23:12] <rmrfslash> i.e. one-size fits most?
[23:12] <raylu> mermshaus: either that or there's a symlink in /var/www; i don't remember
[23:12] <raylu> rmrfslash: yes
[23:12] <dfaure> rmrfslash: use the latest one that works for you
[23:13] <dfaure> 180 worked here
[23:13] <mermshaus> raylu: @config could you explain who i'd do this please? :)
[23:13] <troyvit> has anybody reported really slow performance with konsole in 9.04?
[23:13] <gosse> hello again. ended up scrapping ALL yesterdays' work, starting fresh... now ONLY worrying about getting the most up to date video drivers so i can get my biggest problems out of the way. how important are those 480 (or whatever number) initial driver updates after a fresh install of 9.04??
[23:13] <raylu> mermshaus: tell me if there's a symlink in /var/www first
[23:13] <HighHo> rmrfslash: the 96 are legacy (old cars) 173 are stable and 180 are stable now (but used to be testing/beta
[23:13] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: there you have it... try installing the nvidia-glx-180. I don't know if this will setup your xorg.conf though
[23:13] <raylu> gosse: we need your video card brand first
[23:13] <HighHo> *old cards not cars :D
[23:14] <rmrfslash> if you install the 180 glx driver will it set you all up like xorg,conf?
[23:14] <gosse> sorry raylu, nvidia 8600... (been a long couple of days, really sorry
[23:14] <rmrfslash> or will it *just* install the driver?
[23:14] <raylu> rmrfslash: it didn't for me. i had to use nvidia-xconfig
[23:14] <mermshaus> raylu: there's none. I had one pointing to /usr/share/phpmyadmin but that didn't solve anything
[23:14] <raylu> rmrfslash: i don't know whether i had an xorg.conf beforehand, though
[23:14] <rmrfslash> MushroomKingdom: go for it man!
[23:14] <raylu> gosse: there weren't any initial driver updates for me
[23:15] <MushroomKingdom> could I apt-get the drivers?
[23:15] <HighHo> rmrfslash: it will setup the xorg config also
[23:15] <raylu> mermshaus: ok, then look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled for something about phpmyadmin
[23:15] <raylu> mermshaus: failing that, grep -r phpmyadmin /etc/apache2/*
[23:15] <gosse> raylu, if you recall, my problem was that autocad would not install in wine, as a result of an error caused by me not having the -most- recent drivers. the 180 series driver that comes with 9.04 is not enough it seems. was told to come here from #winehq and get the best nvidia driver, 180.51 i trust.
[23:15] <gosse> (this is lorecaster btw)
[23:15] <raylu> ah, hello
[23:15] <gosse> :D
[23:16] <draik> I have a 2.0GHz P4 and /usr/bin/plasma is using up 85-90% of CPU. Why is that and how can I stop it from running that high?
[23:16] <mermshaus> raylu: in sites-enabled there's only 000-default; grep finds a file: /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf
[23:16] <gosse> i blew away BOTH 'nix partitions on my primary tower, and am now running mirc on my secondary (windows) tower... installing konversation (most comfortable irc client) on the frest(est) linux 9.04 isntall on the primary
[23:17] <mermshaus> raylu which defines an alias /phpmyadmin /usr/share/phpmyadmin
[23:18] <linux-hdtv> What is the best way to monitor disk space ?
[23:18] <lovre> linux-hdtv: plasma widget?
[23:18] <dfaure> linux-hdtv: there's a nice plasma applet for it
[23:18] <lovre> :D
[23:19] <gosse> can i install a version above 180.51 for my driver? or will that cause problems? i was told it may be a good idea in winehw (or should is say whine, for all the problems i've had with the software)
[23:19] <gosse> lol
[23:19] <dfaure> above 180 -
[23:19] <dfaure> above 180 -> by hand, no packages
[23:19] <dfaure> and that's what gave you trouble last time, no? :/
[23:20] <gosse> :| that ATE my last install... no thanks. :P nice to see you again dfaure
[23:20] <raylu> mermshaus: ok. look for config.inc.php in /usr/share/phpmyadmin, then
[23:20] <gosse> 180.51 it is then.
[23:20] <mermshaus> raylu: Please, do not edit this file. The configuration file for Debian
[23:20] <mermshaus>  * is located in the /etc/phpmyadmin directory.
[23:21] <raylu> mermshaus: huh?
[23:21] <raylu> mermshaus: *?
[23:21] <mermshaus> raylu: that's written at the top of /usr/share/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php
[23:22] <gosse> you know, i DO see a great benefit to running into so many problems with nix... noticing a great improvement in my typing speed! :D
[23:22] <raylu> mermshaus: oh. ok, edit the config in /etc/phpmyadmin then, i suppose
[23:22] <gosse> what command-line do i use to stop xserver?
[23:22] <mermshaus> raylu: /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php pulls in /etc/phpmyadmin/config-db.php ... but the settings in there seem to be correct to me.
[23:23] <raylu> gosse: sudo invoke-rc.d kdm stop
[23:23] <raylu> mermshaus: when you reinstalled, what did you do?
[23:23] <gosse> raylu, invoke-rc.d: unkonwn initscript
[23:23] <dfaure> raylu: out of interest, is invoke-rc.d different from  /etc/init.d/kdm stop ?
[23:23] <raylu> dfaure: not that i can tell :P
[23:24] <raylu> gosse: do you have ubunut?
[23:24] <dfaure> layers upon layers... ;)
[23:24] <gosse> ubuntu 9.04 :D
[23:24] <BleSS> I installed kubuntu 9.04 but my usb memories are not auto-mounted
[23:24] <linux-hdtv> lovre, dfaure, i don't see it listed in synaptic under plasma
[23:24] <gosse> raylu, sdo: /etc/init.d/kdm: command not found
[23:24] <mermshaus> raylu: I purged the phpmyadmin package (including the database removal stuff) then did a reinstall, filled in some user/password information, checked apache2 and allowed the script to recreate the database tables
[23:25] <octavian_> sal la totsi
[23:25] <dfaure> gosse: apt-get install kdm
[23:25] <BleSS> how to fix the usb auto-mount?
[23:25] <octavian_> how to instal gefors 440
[23:25] <gosse> i'm -gradually- getting the hang of the system syntax... it's so very different from micro$oft
[23:25] <bbeck> Is anyone out there with an intel graphics card encountering a lot of crashes?
[23:26] <mermshaus> raylu: phpmyadmin's database does exist. I checked with MySQL Administrator. So I *assume* the mysql login information are correct.
[23:26] <octavian_> yes
[23:26] <lovre> how do i restart plasma?
[23:27] <gosse> 167 mb?W holy!
[23:27] <bbeck> lovre: pkill plasma && plasma
[23:27] <BleSS> I installed kubuntu 9.04 but my usb memories are not auto-mounted
[23:27] <BleSS> how to fix the usb auto-mount?
[23:28] <lovre> linux-hdtv: its called: System Monitor - Hard disk
[23:28] <mermshaus> raylu: I thought that the problem might have something to do with this blowfish_secret hash phpmyadmin seems to want. Because I had issues with the before. But there's no thread mentioning that on the Ubuntu Forums. So I figured it would be done automatically. :)
[23:28] <lovre> linux-hdtv: what is your KDE version?
[23:29] <dfaure> bbeck: lovre: better use kquitapp plasma ; plasma
[23:29] <mermshaus> raylu: the = that
[23:29] <lovre> dfaure: allready restarted
[23:29] <dfaure> kquitapp == cleaner shutdown, less risk of losing config
[23:29] <lovre> dfaure: ok, thanks for the tip
[23:29] <bbeck> dfaure: thank you I was going to ask what the difference was.
[23:30] <linux-hdtv> lovre, thnks, i found it on the dashboard under "add widgets". the dashboard does not let me click the windows visible in the background though ...
[23:30] <lovre> linux-hdtv: you have to "Unlock widgets"
[23:30] <amgarchIn9> how do I check that kubuntu is properly installed? Running gnome currenlty KDE feels incomplete. This is 9.04 upgraded from 8.10
[23:31] <dfaure> bbeck: kquitapp uses dbus to ask the app to quit
[23:31] <lovre> i saw this dock bar a long time ago somewhere, it was hidden and appeared when you move mouse on screen edge, and it contained cool features like quick "notpad" for making notes, calculator and some other stuff like that. Is there something like this existing for linux? Even something remotely similiar?
[23:31] <amgarchIn9> I see "kubuntu-kde4-desktop" not installed? this cannot be?
[23:32] <dfaure> amgarchIn9: kubuntu-desktop
[23:32] <linux-hdtv> thanks, lovre, they are unlocked. how can i quit the dashboard ? only by clicking "Hide Dashboard" ?
[23:32] <bbeck> linux-hdtv: you can also press <esc>
[23:33] <amgarchIn9> dfaure: is there a way to check consistency of packages?
[23:33] <dfaure> I only know of apt-get check
[23:33] <linux-hdtv> great, bbeck :-)
[23:33] <dfaure> but that's not the same as rpm --verify...
[23:33] <lovre> linux-hdtv: no, you just lock the widgets and thats it. You cannot quit dashboard, since it is the part of your desktop. You can remove all widgets if you like. Hide dashboard only hides windows and toolbars but leaves widgets visible for easy and quick access.... maybe i didnt understand you ?
[23:33] <dfaure> amgarchIn9: do a "apt-get -f install", too
[23:33] <mermshaus> raylu: During the upgrade, the blowfish_secret line was removed from /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php (I clicked "overwrite" but kept the diff) -- but I don't think that's the issue here.
[23:33] <lovre> linux-hdtv: i suppose i didnt understand your question :)
[23:34] <linux-hdtv> lovre, the dashboard is like a desktop, just on top instead of in the background ?
[23:35] <lovre> linux-hdtv: ye, something like that is the idea
[23:35] <linux-hdtv> Well, kubuntu is a beautiful beast, but KDE 4.2 is still struggling and crashing apps ...
[23:36] <linux-hdtv> is there a utility that can alert me when a harddisk becomes 90% full ?
[23:36] <SSJ_GZ> lovre: Something like this? (The panel can be made auto-hidable) - http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/A_FormFactorized_Plasma_Quake
[23:37] <tty17> how can I get pidgin to minimize to the system tray in jaunty?
[23:37] <dfaure> chx: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3942
[23:37] <lovre> tty17: press minimize button? sorry i havent used pidgin a while
[23:38] <lovre> tty17: do you mean go to system tray or just minimize?
[23:38] <gosse> while running that last command... the apt get that was 52.7mb... my screen went dark, just like it did last time i uninstalled my video drivers and lost hat other partition!! -help-
[23:38] <tty17> lovre: no I mean system tray
[23:38] <dfaure> gosse: which command? installing kdm?
[23:38] <linux-hdtv> can i have the dashboard widgets in the panel ?
[23:38] <gosse> dfaure; yeah... the screen just went dark. it's still back-lit, just no cursers, text, mouse, nothing.
[23:38] <dfaure> gosse: Ctrl+Alt+F1
[23:39] <gosse> good man ;) just came back that second
[23:39] <dfaure> the GUI did? unrelated then ;)
[23:39] <raylu> mermshaus: sorry, um...
[23:39] <lovre> tty17: just close the window with x button, it should stay in tray.
[23:39] <draik> How can I change the height to my Kicker? I did it once a while back, but now I can't change the height
[23:39] <gosse> dfaure; this is very stressful. lol
[23:39] <raylu> mermshaus: after purging, i'd check /etc/phpmyadmin to make sure it was empty
[23:39] <tty17> lovre: no it doesn't, it exits
[23:40] <lovre> SSJ_GZ: yes, thats what i was looking for, thank you!
[23:40] <dfaure> gosse: kdm is the login manager, and it handles the full GUI session. When it restarts, the GUI restarts with it...
[23:40] <SSJ_GZ> lovre: Great :)
[23:40] <tty17> lovre: apparently it supports minimizing to tray on KDE 3.1
[23:41] <lovre> tty17: go to preferences and set "Show system tray icon" to "Always". Then use x to exit.. it should stay in tray
[23:41] <tty17> lovre: ah thanks it worked
[23:42] <lovre> tty17: no problem
[23:42] <chx> dfaure: fine
[23:42] <chx> dfaure: a few things about me that might not be evident
[23:43] <chx> dfaure: I am using Linux since 1993
[23:43] <dfaure> I was in high school at that time :-)
[23:43] <chx> dfaure: and I generally know my way around, just had no time absolutely to recompile
[23:43] <lovre> SSJ_GZ: are you using this applet? how do i install it?
[23:44] <SSJ_GZ> lovre: It's just an ordinary panel.
[23:44] <SSJ_GZ> (Plasma panel)
[23:44] <lovre> SSJ_GZ: ah, they added this feature to normal panel???!!!
[23:44] <lovre> SSJ_GZ: thats so cool... i love kde. <3
[23:45] <SSJ_GZ> lovre: Yup - it needs the Plasmoids to take advantage of it, though, but I suspect that quite a few do.
[23:45] <SSJ_GZ> (The ones shown in the clip seem to, at least :))
[23:45] <lovre> :)
[23:45] <egork> I am trying to report a bug from Kaffeine "Help" menu. It tells me that it can not find kfmclient service. kfmclient seems to be installed. Should I file this as a bug too? I have Intrepid Kubuntu.
[23:45] <mermshaus> raylu: yep, it's empty. passwords seem to be okay, too. (the installer is unable to finish if I give a wrong mysql password.) the phpmyadmin index.php is reachable via http... i guess i'll try to figure out how far index.php gets executed. :-\
[23:45] <amgarchIn9> Xorg eatx 30-40 %  cpu in KDE, this cannot be normal, upgraded to 9.04
[23:45] <amgarchIn9> *eats
[23:46] <raylu> mermshaus: hrm. i'd try restarting apache2, but i'm sure the installer does that
[23:46] <amgarchIn9> Effects disabled bx Alt-Sfift-F12
[23:46] <dfaure> amgarchIn9: if you want to fix that, rmb on a window title / configure window behavior / uncheck "Enable desktop effects"
[23:46] <mermshaus> raylu: yes... I did that too. just to make sure. :)
[23:46] <raylu> mermshaus: failing everything else, do what i did and install phpmyadmin manually
[23:47] <mermshaus> raylu: why did you do that in the first place?
[23:47] <amgarchIn9> KDE in 9.04 is still supposed to use knetworkmanager, right?
[23:48] <dfaure> how do I pin the version of the xorg packages I self-compiled so that apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade them?
[23:48] <rbrunhuber> I was testing amarok in jaunty but I see no media player tab. Any help?
[23:48] <raylu> mermshaus: i wanted a newer version
[23:48] <larry> Hi every body
[23:49] <raylu> mermshaus: also, i wanted to install my own themes anyway
[23:49] <amgarchIn9> Is this GPU supposed to work with 9.04 Kubuntu?: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:49] <mermshaus> raylu: I guess that's a good reason. ;)
[23:49] <larry> I need French personn (J'ai besoin de quelque Français)
[23:49] <mermshaus> raylu: But anyway, thanks for your help.
[23:50] <raylu> mermshaus: np; i have to go now anyway
[23:50] <doleyb> !fr |larry
[23:51] <larry> Thanck ubottu and doleyb
[23:51] <larry> *thanks
[23:55] <W4gn3r> is someone here using the "STasks
[23:55] <W4gn3r>    0.5.1
[23:55] <W4gn3r> plasmoid
[23:55] <W4gn3r> ?
[23:56] <amgarchIn9> Xorg in Gnome is quiet, even if I run Qt-based Konversation ..., In KDE at least 25% CPU
[23:56] <W4gn3r> it's the first plasmoid that isn't a .plasmoid file (instead, a .deb)
[23:57] <Exposure> NetworkManager is broken for me since upgrading to 9.04
[23:57] <Exposure> impl_manager_activate_connection(): Connection (0) /org/freedesktop/NetworkManagerSettings/2 failed to activate: (3) No user settings service available
[23:57] <W4gn3r> so I'm afraid of installing it and screw up everything
[23:57] <Exposure> can't find much about it on the net, anyone have any ideas?
[23:57] <gosse> AHH!!! i spent all that time installing KDM when i was running GDM before
[23:58] <gosse> what do i use now? GDM is gnome, right? that's the only one i've ever used
[23:58] <amgarchIn9> Exposure: here the KDE version is not working, "knetworkmanager", gnome version works
[23:59] <rbrunhuber> Exposure: I'm seeing troubles with networking under jaunty too. No much help here also.
[23:59] <Exposure> tried knetworkmanager and the plasma applet
[23:59] <amgarchIn9> how do I change password for the "keyring" it is apparently not the same as system password?
[23:59] <amgarchIn9> Gnome keyring that is
[23:59] <rbrunhuber> Exposure: In my opinion the plasma applet has more bugs than features...
[23:59] <ben____> seems so
[23:59] <Exposure> yeah I like knetworkmanager, did the job just fine