| alex-weej | wow, the new update-manager behaviour is fucking annoying | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| alex-weej | i close it every 20 minutes it seems | 00:01 |
| alex-weej | i can't update because the mirrors are hosed | 00:01 |
| alex-weej | and they're not even critical updates | 00:01 |
| Ampelbein | alex-weej: update-manager just closes here for no reason after i click start upgrade, but only after downloading the required packages, as a quick test with aptitude shows... | 00:07 |
| Ampelbein | and i ddos'd my server by not specifying an uploade-rate limit in rtorrent. ;-) | 00:09 |
| alex-weej | oops | 01:00 |
| tofu_logic | congratulations ubuntu desktop team | 02:54 |
| tofu_logic | jaunty jackelope is pretty dope | 02:54 |
| tofu_logic | (lol) | 02:54 |
| costamatrix | hi everyone | 03:46 |
| costamatrix | anyone here can help me with a problem on ubuntu 9.04? | 03:46 |
| costamatrix | my control key does not work...to use with control+c control+v...etc.... but it works on compiz cube to swich workspace.... | 03:47 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:06 |
| huats | morning everyone | 08:47 |
| mvo | good morning huats | 08:48 |
| seb128 | hey huats mvo | 08:49 |
| huats | morning seb128 and mvo | 08:49 |
| mvo | hey seb128 | 08:51 |
| seb128 | mvo: how are things looking on the upgrade bug reports front today? | 08:52 |
| mvo | seb128: medium, ~10 new or so | 08:53 |
| mvo | need to check how bad they are though | 08:54 |
| seb128 | lool: where should unr bugs be assigned? | 09:51 |
| lool | seb128: Depends; we have various packages: netbook-launcher, maximus... | 09:59 |
| lool | seb128: bug #? | 09:59 |
| seb128 | lool: bug #365795 for example | 10:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 365795 in ubuntu "UNR LiveUSB fails integrity check with "errors found in 1 files!"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365795 | 10:00 |
| lool | seb128: (BTW StevenK wants to handle UNR these days) | 10:00 |
| lool | seb128: That's probably an ubuntu-cdimage bug, looking | 10:00 |
| seb128 | lool: I'm just looking to the recent bugs list and reassigning things where I can | 10:00 |
| lool | seb128: Yup, thanks for that; I'm trying to give you the best contact for the future | 10:00 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:01 |
| seb128 | bug #365846 too | 10:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 365846 in ubuntu "UNR installation problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365846 | 10:01 |
| seb128 | that one is not really useful, would require debugging from somebody working on UNR | 10:01 |
| seb128 | what is the best way to bring attention of the UNR team on a bug? | 10:01 |
| seb128 | or let the team know "that's on UNR you should have a look" | 10:02 |
| lool | seb128: That's a good question | 10:02 |
| seb128 | you don't have a component which can be used as triaging point for those? | 10:02 |
| lool | seb128: In theory, we set the ubuntu-unr tag on these bugs | 10:02 |
| lool | when reported with apport | 10:02 |
| seb128 | or a team to subscribe | 10:02 |
| seb128 | and you go through tagged bugs? | 10:03 |
| lool | Many people will also report bug against the upstream project, netbook-remix, but that's incorrect most of the time | 10:03 |
| lool | seb128: no we don't :-( | 10:03 |
| lool | seb128: I think we lack a good workflow for bugs, it has been the subject of discussions between UNR upstream and mobile team people | 10:03 |
| seb128 | is there an ubuntu-unr team we can subscribe? | 10:03 |
| seb128 | that would email notify the team members ;-) | 10:04 |
| lool | There's an upstream netbook-remix team | 10:04 |
| seb128 | ok, seems there is no easy way to notify concerned people there | 10:04 |
| lool | seb128: I'm trying to think of a comparable project; in practice we differ only by a small number of packages | 10:05 |
| seb128 | I will let the bug where they are for now and assume that people interested in UNR will go through recent bugs having UNR in the title at some point then | 10:05 |
| lool | seb128: I think the team idea is the best one so far | 10:05 |
| lool | StevenK: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/04/24/%23ubuntu-desktop.txt | 10:06 |
| seb128 | hey StevenK | 10:06 |
| lool | StevenK: Some minutes are still missing there; basically seb128 has a pile of UNR bugs and he's looking for a consistent way to bring our attention to them | 10:06 |
| seb128 | lool: using the netbook-remix upstream one? | 10:06 |
| lool | StevenK: One suggestion seb128 made was to use an ubuntu-unr team which he would subscribe | 10:06 |
| lool | seb128: I think a new one makes more sense | 10:07 |
| seb128 | you could have a launchpad mailinglist for the team which would receive the bug emails | 10:07 |
| seb128 | should be easy enough to subscribe or look to the list for people triaging then | 10:07 |
| StevenK | Mmmm | 10:07 |
| lool | StevenK: What do you think? I think a new Ubuntu team makes sense; some bugs are related to cdimage stuff, others to the launcher, others to usability issues... | 10:07 |
| lool | We could also have an Ubuntu Netbook Remix *in Ubuntu* project | 10:08 |
| StevenK | Sounds great to me | 10:08 |
| lool | I personally think a team is a good first step; but I don't mind a project | 10:08 |
| lool | We also have the ubuntu-unr tag | 10:08 |
| seb128 | ubuntu-unr doesn't email notify you though | 10:09 |
| lool | The problem I have with a project is that it's not clear when you close the bug, or it's going to be manual | 10:09 |
| seb128 | you have to go pool on the list | 10:09 |
| lool | seb128: Ack | 10:09 |
| lool | I think team + tag are good | 10:09 |
| seb128 | the project issue is that the ubuntu task still stay unassigned | 10:09 |
| lool | new project > sounds like bad workflow, and extra work | 10:09 |
| seb128 | me too | 10:09 |
| lool | StevenK: Could you set that up? | 10:09 |
| seb128 | yeah, just create an ubuntu-unr launchpad team with a list to get bug emails | 10:10 |
| StevenK | lool, seb128: Done, and requested mailing list | 10:13 |
| StevenK | seb128: Do you want to be a member too, or do you get enough bug mail? :-) | 10:13 |
| seb128 | StevenK: I've enough emails thanks ;-) | 10:14 |
| seb128 | StevenK: if you set a mailinglist for the team members will not get emails though | 10:14 |
| seb128 | StevenK: but I don't work on UNR, I just triage recent ubuntu bugs right now so I've no reason to join the team there | 10:14 |
| StevenK | seb128: Indeed | 10:14 |
| lool | StevenK: Do we want a ML or just use membership as a mean to get emails? | 10:15 |
| StevenK | lool: I've requested a mailing list | 10:15 |
| lool | StevenK: is there a benefit to a ML? | 10:16 |
| lool | (just curious) | 10:16 |
| StevenK | lool: Then we can have people in the team who don't get bugmail | 10:16 |
| lool | StevenK: Just sub-ed the team to its first bug ;) | 10:16 |
| * StevenK has cancelled the mailing list request | 10:17 | |
| lool | I was fine either way really | 10:17 |
| StevenK | Well, the description says the team should get bug mail, so ... | 10:18 |
| lool | asac: 190227 | 10:54 |
| lool | Weird, I thought ia32-libs had been updated | 10:54 |
| andreasn | mpt, just discovered a nice thing with the clickthrough on osd, I was in the middle of closing a dialog when thomas wood came online | 11:15 |
| andreasn | but in contrast to the previous popups, this didn't get in the way of my flow | 11:17 |
| asac | lool: its fixed. what is left never worked | 11:25 |
| asac | Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: verkeerde ELF-klasse: ELFCLASS64 | 11:25 |
| asac | lool: needs a gtk fix. they dont look in the abi dir for "normal" directories | 11:25 |
| asac | so those never worked ... afaik | 11:26 |
| asac | s/"normal" directories/"normal" modules/ | 11:26 |
| lool | Ok | 11:27 |
| asac | lool: problem is: | 11:27 |
| asac | ls /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/ | 11:27 |
| asac | engines immodule-files.d immodules loader-files.d loaders printbackends | 11:27 |
| asac | BUT | 11:28 |
| asac | ls /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/ | 11:28 |
| asac | libcanberra-gtk-module.so libdwellmouselistener.so libferret.so libgail-gnome.so libgail.so libgnomebreakpad.so libkeymouselistener.so | 11:28 |
| asac | and only the ones in 2.10.0/ dir is properly done on amd64 | 11:29 |
| lool | Ok; I remember reading these bits in gtk a while ago, and they were completely inconsistent, depending even on the module type | 11:29 |
| asac | yep | 11:30 |
| mpt | andreasn, glad you like it | 11:30 |
| asac | actually i promissed fta to fix that for his chromium ia32 builds | 11:30 |
| lool | asac: In the mean time you can strip GTK_MODULES from the env if you have a place to do that | 12:04 |
| asac | lool: hmm. good idea. i will check that | 12:11 |
| Ampelbein | asac: hi. is there any regression known about network-manager not being able to detect usb-mobile-modems? bug 346835 should be fixed but i get those symptoms here with huawei modem, 0x12d1:0x1003 | 13:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 346835 in network-manager "MASTER - modems not detected - udev prober broken (Was: Huawei e169 doesn't connect + Globetrotter 3G+ card not recognized anymore)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346835 | 13:04 |
| mnemo | mvo: update-manager is crashing on me with this error --> http://pastebin.com/m2309ad3b and this is happening on a machine which was re-installed cleanly using the RC and now I'm trying to upgrade to the final... | 13:24 |
| james_w | mnemo: the "S"s are part of the error message? | 13:25 |
| mnemo | yes | 13:25 |
| mnemo | update-manager starts up fine and I get to press the "start upgrade" button | 13:26 |
| mnemo | strange, now I get another error from update-manager by just re-running it with exact same params | 13:28 |
| mnemo | http://pastebin.com/m517a3a35 | 13:28 |
| * mvo looks | 13:30 | |
| mvo | mnemo: could you please check "via dpkg -l or synpatic" what version of u-m you have installed ? and what version of update-manager-core ? | 13:31 |
| mnemo | sure | 13:31 |
| mnemo | 1:0.111.7 | 13:32 |
| mnemo | i created an LP bug with this info as well --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/366048 | 13:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 366048 in update-manager "update-manager crashes when upgrading cleanly re-installed box with jaunty RC to jaunty final" [Undecided,New] | 13:32 |
| mnemo | (same for u-m-c) | 13:33 |
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| james_w | /usr/share/pyshared/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeApport.py: from apport.python_hook import apport_excepthook | 13:34 |
| james_w | is it not apport_python_hook ? | 13:34 |
| mvo | mnemo: thanks, I confirmed | 13:35 |
| mvo | james_w: checking | 13:35 |
| james_w | the other appears to be | 13:36 |
| james_w | /usr/share/pyshared/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeQuirks.py: self.plugin_manager = PluginManager(self.controller, ["./plugins"]) | 13:36 |
| asac | Ampelbein: sorry. so what do you get when running /lib/udev/nm-modem-probe --export --verbose /dev/ttyUSBX | 13:38 |
| asac | (X == 0,1, ...) | 13:38 |
| mvo | james_w: thanks | 13:39 |
| james_w | yay for dpkg -L | xargs grep :-) | 13:39 |
| mnemo | :) | 13:40 |
| Ampelbein | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/157185 -> ttyUSB0 http://paste.ubuntu.com/157186 -> ttyUSB1, ttyUSB2+3 time out. | 13:41 |
| Ampelbein | asac: see also bug 366051, I just opened it a minute prior to your question ;-) | 13:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 366051 in network-manager "huawei usb-modem (12d1:1003) not recognized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366051 | 13:42 |
| asac | Ampelbein: can you replug your device in between please? | 13:42 |
| asac | Ampelbein: did it work in intrepid? | 13:43 |
| mnemo | mvo: let me know if you want me to make some modification and re-run to test something | 13:43 |
| mvo | mnemo: it should be fixed now in bzr, I prepare a update, thanks again | 13:43 |
| mnemo | np | 13:44 |
| Ampelbein | asac: don't know, just got the stick yesterday. what do you mean by replug in between? between what? | 13:44 |
| asac | nevermind ... let me check something | 13:44 |
| Ampelbein | asac: network-manager is the current jaunty version, 0.7.1~rc4.1.cf199a964-0ubuntu2 | 13:45 |
| mnemo | james_w, mvo: its probably pretty easy to write a static analysis tool that finds all bugs in all packages of this type? | 13:46 |
| james_w | mnemo: there are several python static analysers | 13:46 |
| asac | Ampelbein: please tail syslog and replug your device and post what you get there in a few seconds | 13:46 |
| james_w | They should be able to catch the first, not really the second | 13:46 |
| mnemo | right | 13:47 |
| mvo | the second is more tricky indeed, I will refactor the code there to make it more robust | 13:47 |
| Ampelbein | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/157192/ | 13:49 |
| asac | Ampelbein: udevadm info --query=all --path=/sys/class/tty/ttyUSB1 --attribute-walk | 14:11 |
| Ampelbein | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/157211/ | 14:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: should intrepid be changed to jaunty in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed? | 14:16 |
| pitti | should be more general, I'll edit it; thanks | 14:17 |
| seb128 | pitti: thank you, can you also specify that uploads might take some hours to be available? | 14:19 |
| seb128 | I've noticed it's a frequent user comment | 14:19 |
| seb128 | there or in your stock reply | 14:19 |
| pitti | better in the stock reply, I think | 14:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: right | 14:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: btw did you code review the libgweather change? | 14:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: the change is not an upstream backport but a local one so a second look is always welcome ;-) | 14:25 |
| pitti | I had a quick look only (too many SRUs) | 14:25 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll remember to give/require more intense testing | 14:25 |
| seb128 | well, it's not especially complicated so it should be fine, let's wait for user testing | 14:26 |
| seb128 | it works here at least | 14:26 |
| pitti | seb128: sru-accept.py changed accordingly | 14:26 |
| seb128 | danke | 14:26 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 14:26 | |
| * pitti hugs back seb128, thanks for the suggestions | 14:27 | |
| asac | Amaranth: can you unplug; then set udev to debug and past what you get in syslog when pluggin it in? | 14:44 |
| asac | oops | 14:44 |
| asac | Ampelbein: ^^ | 14:44 |
| asac | udevadm control --log-priority=debug | 14:45 |
| Ampelbein | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/157233/ | 14:52 |
| asac | Ampelbein: something makes the 77-nm-modem*rules in /lib/udev/rules.d not match your device | 14:54 |
| asac | i have to compare to what i see i guess | 14:54 |
| Ampelbein | asac: how can i help you with that? | 14:56 |
| asac | Ampelbein: http://pastebin.com/f6631b5e6 | 14:57 |
| asac | Ampelbein: replace /lib/udev/rules.d/77-nm-probe-modem-capabilities.rules with that | 14:57 |
| asac | Ampelbein: and replug | 14:58 |
| mvo | seb128: does it make sense to get rid of scrollkeeper? it seems we still get segfaults from it (#365606) | 14:58 |
| mvo | seb128: or at least I suspect it :) | 14:59 |
| Ampelbein | asac: awesome. that works! | 15:00 |
| Ampelbein | asac: at least nm now identifies it as a modem, will connect now. | 15:01 |
| Ampelbein | asac: success! connection works, too. | 15:01 |
| asac | Ampelbein: great. so you see just one entry in applet and that works? | 15:02 |
| asac | can you try to replug multiple times and see if that causees issues? | 15:02 |
| Ampelbein | asac: yeah, only one entry in the applet. | 15:02 |
| asac | neat | 15:02 |
| asac | so we just found a previously unknown driver ;) ... that just works with a huawei modem ;) | 15:03 |
| Ampelbein | asac: tried replugging 3 times now, works like a charm. will reboot to see if it continues to work. | 15:04 |
| Ampelbein | asac: many many thanks! | 15:04 |
| asac | Ampelbein: can you file a bug please so i can target that for inclusion in the first SRU? | 15:05 |
| Ampelbein | asac: bug 366051 | 15:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 366051 in network-manager "huawei usb-modem (12d1:1003) not recognized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366051 | 15:06 |
| Ampelbein | asac: what information should i add to the report? the updated 77-nm-...? | 15:06 |
| Ampelbein | asac: or do you take care of that? | 15:06 |
| asac | Ampelbein: just attach the --attribute-walk for ttyUSB0 and state that modem XYZ isnt detected in bug title | 15:07 |
| asac | Ampelbein: dont need to attach the 77- | 15:07 |
| Ampelbein | asac: ok, will do. rebooted and it still works. thanks again. | 15:07 |
| asac | i will push the change upstream today i guess | 15:07 |
| mvo | seb128: could you please reject my update-manager upload? I want to include another change as well | 15:12 |
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| pitti | mvo: rejected | 15:27 |
| pitti | mvo: I won't accept it anyway, since the previous one needs to get verified and to -updates first | 15:27 |
| pitti | mvo: I'm fine with not waiting for 7 days, as long as the current SRU gets a good testing beating | 15:28 |
| mvo | pitti: ok | 15:28 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: is it still planned to have a GUI to select LC_MESSAGES vs. LC_TIME, etc? | 15:33 |
| mvo | pitti: I asked on ubuntu-testing if they can do the verification for it, would be nice to get it in early | 15:34 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: I think it would make sense, how about you? | 15:39 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: I agree; I got reminded by bug 208548 | 15:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 208548 in langpack-locales "en_SE locale needed to get correct weekdays in Sweden" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208548 | 15:40 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: so, I make a GUI for language-selector? | 15:41 |
| pitti | it's more like a "locale-selector", but it makes sense there, yes | 15:41 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: should we discuss the details at UDS? | 15:42 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: I thought it was already spec'ed out | 15:43 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: not really | 15:43 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: the details how it should work with the current locale setting mechanism needs to be fleshed out | 15:44 |
| pitti | ah, I see | 15:44 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: if that's a project that interests you, would you please create a blueprint stub for it (or propose the existing one for karmic uds)? | 15:45 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: ok | 15:45 |
| seb128 | re | 16:27 |
| seb128 | mvo: scrollkeeper? are we sure that's the scrollkeeper-update there crashing? | 16:27 |
| seb128 | mvo: rarian-compat also has a scrollkeeper-update command | 16:27 |
| seb128 | mvo: otherwise dropping scrollkeeper in karmic seems ok | 16:29 |
| mvo | seb128: not sure, unfortuantely it does not show what segfaulted | 16:29 |
| seb128 | that's something we need to fix next cycle | 16:29 |
| seb128 | quite some of those upgrade bugs are random crash without details | 16:30 |
| josephpiche | hi. i was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction for getting the source for the "Services" control panel--I'm looking to develop a simple UFW control panel | 17:05 |
| cj | in case you read the backlog, apt-get source gnome-system-tools | 17:18 |
| pitti | ^ which is unmaintained and pretty out of date, and thus not a good example... | 17:23 |
| seb128 | mpt: I don't understand bug #366194 | 18:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 366194 in nautilus "Nautilus complains that file in "Places" pane "is not a folder"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366194 | 18:13 |
| mpt | seb128, where do you get stuck in the steps? | 18:13 |
| seb128 | you seem to mix gtk fileselector and nautilus | 18:13 |
| seb128 | ie describe 2 bugs | 18:13 |
| seb128 | is your bug "files added to the places list display errors when selected"? | 18:14 |
| mpt | yes | 18:14 |
| seb128 | that being the case in gtk and nautilus? | 18:14 |
| mpt | No, only Nautilus | 18:14 |
| mpt | The filepicker is in the steps to reproduce for two reasons | 18:14 |
| mpt | 1. because Nautilus doesn't let you add a file to the Places pane, only the filepicker does | 18:15 |
| seb128 | mpt: ok, please try to have clear steps and 1 bug by ticket please | 18:15 |
| seb128 | ie we are not interested by a complex way to get the issue but the easier way you can get | 18:15 |
| mpt | 2. to show that it's possible for Nautilus to handle the file being there, because the filepicker handles it. | 18:15 |
| mpt | seb128, it is only one bug. | 18:16 |
| seb128 | hum, no? | 18:16 |
| seb128 | you have 5. and 6. listing issues | 18:16 |
| seb128 | which seem different ones | 18:16 |
| seb128 | oh | 18:16 |
| seb128 | I understand the bug now | 18:16 |
| seb128 | it's "nautlus should act as the fileselector does" | 18:17 |
| * seb128 tries | 18:17 | |
| seb128 | ok | 18:17 |
| seb128 | so steps are | 18:17 |
| seb128 | - add a bookmark to a file | 18:17 |
| mpt | seb128, I try to avoid making bug summaries assume the solution, I leave the suggested solution to the end of the report | 18:17 |
| seb128 | - try to open this bookmark in nautilus | 18:17 |
| seb128 | well those don't assume the solution | 18:18 |
| mpt | seb128, I don't see how you can add a bookmark to a file from within Nautilus | 18:18 |
| mpt | selecting a file and choosing "Add Bookmark" adds the enclosing folder instead! | 18:18 |
| seb128 | right | 18:19 |
| seb128 | so the steps are | 18:19 |
| seb128 | - use a gtkfileselect to add a bookmark to a file | 18:19 |
| seb128 | - try opening it in nautilus place pane | 18:19 |
| mpt | yep | 18:19 |
| seb128 | gnome bug #561221 | 18:20 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 561221 in Bookmarks "gtk fileselector allow file bookmarks but nautilus doesn't use those correctly" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561221 | 18:20 |
| seb128 | mpt: ^ dup from that | 18:20 |
| seb128 | bug #298425 in launcupad | 18:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 298425 in nautilus "gtk fileselector allow file bookmarks but nautilus doesn't use those correctly" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/298425 | 18:20 |
| seb128 | launchpad | 18:20 |
| mpt | Ah, I searched Bugzilla but didn't think to look in something called "Bookmarks" | 18:21 |
| mpt | Since it's called "Places" in both the filepicker and in Nautilus | 18:21 |
| mpt | thanks seb128 | 18:22 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 18:22 |
| seb128 | mpt: thanks for the user testing, some suggestion though | 18:22 |
| seb128 | - the shorter the bug description is the better | 18:22 |
| seb128 | we read log of bugs and we want to know what is the issue | 18:22 |
| seb128 | the user story leading to it is not really interesting | 18:23 |
| seb128 | - you can open upstream bugs only upstream ;-) but I guess you want to track those in launchpad too for those user testing? | 18:23 |
| mvo | pitti: is there a way to make the kernel output the name of the segfaulted app when it prints the "Segmentation fault" message? I want to include that in the apt terminal.log if possible | 18:24 |
| mpt | seb128, bah, that's like 4 lines out of 20 | 18:24 |
| mpt | :-P | 18:24 |
| mvo | pitti: alternatively I'm thinking about just adding the dmesg output to a apt failure log if a exit status is 139 | 18:24 |
| pitti | mvo: doesn't it already? | 18:25 |
| pitti | pr 22 10:52:23 tick kernel: [13255.188232] ekiga[16208]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f95142c79dc sp 00007f9506d4bd00 error 6 in libc-2.9.so[7f951424d000+168000] | 18:25 |
| mvo | pitti: right, in dmesg | 18:25 |
| mpt | seb128, yes, I plan to tag them all the same way :-) | 18:25 |
| mvo | pitti: I would like to have it in the terminal window too :) | 18:25 |
| seb128 | mpt: it took me 2 goods minutes to understand your bug, I first trying to figure why it was about places and started by background and pattern dialog use | 18:25 |
| seb128 | trying -> tried | 18:26 |
| pitti | mvo: oh, *that* message | 18:26 |
| mpt | ok | 18:26 |
| mvo | pitti: including the dmesg output is my fallback plan | 18:26 |
| pitti | mvo: hm, any chance you could get it from /var/log/apport.log? | 18:26 |
| mvo | pitti: that would mean to start apport, right? | 18:26 |
| pitti | (I thought you did that anyway) | 18:26 |
| mvo | pitti: currently for stable->stable upgrades its not running | 18:26 |
| pitti | mvo: however, that's only reliable if you parse every line, I gues | 18:26 |
| seb128 | mpt: bug #298425 has a description which seems clearer to me for example | 18:26 |
| pitti | s | 18:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 298425 in nautilus "gtk fileselector allow file bookmarks but nautilus doesn't use those correctly" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/298425 | 18:26 |
| pitti | mvo: OIC | 18:26 |
| seb128 | mpt: but maybe that's only me, or an user view against a bug triager one | 18:27 |
| pitti | mvo: I don't currently know a way to do that, I'm afraid | 18:27 |
| mpt | That one doesn't even use complete sentences | 18:27 |
| pitti | mvo: well, we could always change glibc to do that, of course :) | 18:27 |
| pitti | but not without such a change | 18:27 |
| * mpt is just whining now, ignore me | 18:27 | |
| mvo | pitti: no problem, then I just use the dmesg idea then | 18:27 |
| seb128 | mpt: right, I might be complaining a bit, just try to not be too specific if you can, ie if any fileselector do write that rather than describing a specific way to open one in nautilus ;-) | 18:29 |
| mpt | ok | 18:29 |
| seb128 | thanks | 18:29 |
| seb128 | otherwise thanks for the user testing and the detailed descriptions you do in bugs | 18:29 |
| seb128 | and thanks for opening those upstream too ;-) | 18:29 |
| alex-weej | can we go back to the normal way of resizing windows in compiz now that it's not as slow as it used to be? | 18:51 |
| alex-weej | that blue outline isn't even in any theme | 18:51 |
| mvo | seb128: I added dmesg output to apport package logs now, that should make it possible to see what segfaulted in maintainer scripts | 18:52 |
| seb128 | mvo: excellent | 18:54 |
| alex-weej | i've changed the patch in the bzr package for compiz | 18:54 |
| alex-weej | how do i properly get this change sponsored etc.? | 18:55 |
| alex-weej | do i push the branch to lp myself? | 18:55 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: if there is a bug subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors | 18:56 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: having either a debdiff on the bug or your bzr with the change | 18:56 |
| seb128 | there is a lp feature to match a bug and a bzr | 18:56 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: are you sure that the changes are faster now? or do you just assume that because it's fast on your box? | 18:57 |
| alex-weej | i've not seen a recent machine where it's been slow enough to warrant going back to Windows 95 resizing | 18:58 |
| alex-weej | but i've not conducted a thorough test | 18:58 |
| alex-weej | i'll put the patch on and it can be closed "when it's ready" if people think not now | 18:59 |
| seb128 | we tried before hardy ie one year ago | 19:01 |
| seb128 | and on some box you could see it jumping when moving the cursor | 19:02 |
| seb128 | I doubt that has changed, the issue is just slow video cards | 19:02 |
| alex-weej | seb128: jumping? | 19:02 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 19:03 |
| seb128 | not being smooth | 19:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: 'night | 19:03 |
| seb128 | alex-weej: ie the graphic changes don't follow the mouse and catch up by jumping when they can | 19:03 |
| alex-weej | it's certainly not "smooth" now | 19:03 |
| alex-weej | but... a giant blue rectangle? | 19:03 |
| seb128 | the blue rectangle is not smooth for you?! | 19:03 |
| seb128 | well, it gives an indicate of the change | 19:04 |
| alex-weej | no it is, i just don't see the point of it. if i'm resizing a window to make e.g. a web page FIT, i have no idea when i can stop making it wider if i see a blue rectangle | 19:04 |
| seb128 | nobody complained about that until now | 19:04 |
| alex-weej | if it's actually resizing live, i can see when to stop | 19:04 |
| seb128 | "live" is the issue | 19:04 |
| alex-weej | it's not an issue. it's slow, but it's a hell of a lot more usable and less ugly than a blue rectangle | 19:04 |
| seb128 | if you get the view refreshing every second it's highly annoying | 19:04 |
| alex-weej | it's not that slow | 19:05 |
| seb128 | depends of the video card as said | 19:05 |
| seb128 | on my 5 years old laptop it is | 19:05 |
| alex-weej | if your graphics hardware is that slow at 2D yet still good enough to run compiz | 19:05 |
| alex-weej | you got problems | 19:05 |
| seb128 | it runs compiz just fine | 19:05 |
| alex-weej | every /second/? | 19:05 |
| alex-weej | are you exaggerating? | 19:05 |
| seb128 | enough to give a jumping effect | 19:06 |
| seb128 | I don't think the eyes are good at make the difference between 600ms and 800ms | 19:06 |
| seb128 | it's just slow enough to not be usable | 19:06 |
| alex-weej | seb128: 5 years old is out of the scope of ubuntu right? | 19:06 |
| seb128 | no | 19:06 |
| seb128 | ubuntu is working just fine on this box | 19:07 |
| seb128 | it's a 1.5GHz box | 19:07 |
| alex-weej | why must you penalise people with newer machines with worse usability? | 19:07 |
| seb128 | ubuntu runs on a 500mhz with 512 meg of rams | 19:07 |
| seb128 | because we have no good way to make speed estimation? | 19:07 |
| seb128 | it's not only old machine | 19:07 |
| seb128 | lot of people are describing intel 2.6 drivers being too slow to be used with compiz in jaunty | 19:08 |
| seb128 | on recent hardware | 19:08 |
| seb128 | ie alt-tab and desktop switching are fine | 19:08 |
| seb128 | but extra effects are slooooow | 19:08 |
| alex-weej | the resizing issue is solely to do with 2D performance | 19:09 |
| seb128 | we can try changing the setting value in karmic and see who complains | 19:09 |
| alex-weej | and CPU i guess (layout etc.) | 19:09 |
| seb128 | expose too | 19:09 |
| seb128 | and things people describe as slow in jaunty on intel | 19:09 |
| seb128 | ideally we would have a video speed estimation by some way | 19:10 |
| seb128 | and use that to know what to enable | 19:10 |
| alex-weej | i noticed expose was quite sluggish like 10fps on a fairly recent (~2 years) intel gma | 19:10 |
| seb128 | as said we can try enabling the dynamic content refresh again in karmic | 19:10 |
| seb128 | and see how it goes | 19:11 |
| seb128 | anyway I've to run for now, diner time, bbl | 19:11 |
| alex-weej | cya | 19:11 |
| pedro_ | is anybody aware of bug 361560 ? seems it's affecting a good quantity of users | 19:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 361560 in tracker "Corrupted tracker index causes persistent applet error popup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/361560 | 19:11 |
| james_w | pedro_: chriscoulson was looking at it the other day | 19:12 |
| pedro_ | james_w: ah good to know i was about to ask him or to didrocks since they're touching the package now | 19:13 |
| james_w | pedro_: yeah, not sure where he got to, but he had a theory of the cause, and is in communication with upstream | 19:14 |
| pedro_ | james_w: awesome, looks worth it for an SRU, let's approve the nomination on the meantime, that's james_w | 19:15 |
| pedro_ | s/that's/thanks ;-) | 19:19 |
| pedro_ | dammit keyboard | 19:19 |
| pmatulis | how does one report a boot degradation after upgrading to jaunty? apply toward what package in Launchpad? | 19:37 |
| james_w | pmatulis: you mean a boot speed degradation? | 19:59 |
| pmatulis | james_w: yeah, btw, i believe i just apply it towards 'ubuntu' and add a tag somewhere called 'boot-performance' | 20:00 |
| james_w | that could work | 20:00 |
| james_w | have you generated a bootchart? | 20:00 |
| pmatulis | no, but the delay is right after grub: "boot from hd(0,0) .. UUID" | 20:01 |
| pmatulis | it sits there for about 12 seconds | 20:01 |
| james_w | ah | 20:03 |
| james_w | that's more specific | 20:03 |
| james_w | I'm not sure what component it would be there, but it's probably while searching for the root filesystem | 20:04 |
| james_w | pmatulis: you don't happen to have a Intel D945 motherboard do you? | 20:05 |
| james_w | also, a dmesg from the booted system would be good to attach | 20:06 |
| pmatulis | james_w: it has the intel GM965 chipset, yes, of course dmesg | 20:11 |
| james_w | I ask because of bug 290153 from the release notes | 20:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 290153 in linux "Fails to find boot device in Intel D945Gnt" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290153 | 20:11 |
| vix | is it true that every /boot partition must reside on a primary partition? | 21:38 |
| vix | ? | 21:41 |
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| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks | 23:17 |
| chrisccoulson | i notice you worked on the gnome-session update (2.26.1). that version actually closes a few bugs on LP | 23:19 |
| chrisccoulson | gnome-session -> gnome-terminal | 23:19 |
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