[00:15] <Aquina> Oh I saw the website update. The bluish Xubuntu 9.04 looks n1ce! :-)
[00:15] <Aquina> :-))))
[00:15] <charlie-tca__> Glad to hear it. :-)
[00:16] <Aquina> The idea with the sun is great.
[00:16] <Aquina> (those rays)
[00:16] <charlie-tca__> Let knome know that
[00:16] <Aquina> k ;)
[00:17] <Belding> i tried the live cd, its great
[00:17] <charlie-tca__> Glad you like it.
[00:17] <Aquina> Well I/we cannot cause we're tied to 8.04. But I'm gonna give it a try in a few weeks on my private system.
[00:36] <Xubuntu___rules> Why can't i get a free Xubuntu CD with ShipIT service?
[00:39] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu___rules, Xubuntu isn't available via shipit
[00:39] <Xubuntu___rules> Why? And, when will it, if you know?
[00:42] <Xubuntu___rules> I mean, it would be really nice if we had Xubuntu CD's
[01:21] <R1cochet> is there a torrent for new release?
[01:22] <charlie-tca__> Any mirror has torrent files: http://xubuntu.org/get
[01:22] <R1cochet> thank you
[01:23] <charlie-tca__> no problem
[01:24] <R1cochet> any better to do reinstall over upgrade?
[02:00] <Kangarooo> why xubuntu 9.04 dont have guest possibility like ubuntu?
[02:00] <cody-somerville> Kangarooo, it does
[02:02] <Kangarooo> well in ubntu 9.04 i can click username and then from choose panel i can choose shutdown or restart and so on and also Guest.. i have xubuntu 9.04 and nope there is no guest..
[02:05] <cody-somerville> Kangarooo, You just need to create a launcher to run /usr/share/gdm/guest-session/guest-session-launch
[02:05] <Kangarooo> cody-somerville: in ubuntu i have option to load guest without logging out - its preinstalled.. guest cant get in if normal user is not logged...
[02:06] <Kangarooo> ok for me if ill need it.. just thinking about just users.. :)
[02:07] <Kangarooo> maybe in xfce it needs to impemented? i dont know does gnome has that option made?
[02:16] <psychic> can someone help me configure my display drivers?
[02:23] <psychic> !x
[02:25] <Kangarooo> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gdm-guest-login how to add corectly this as wishlist to xubuntu project and to witch one?
[02:27] <psychic> do u know how to fix display problems
[02:27] <psychic> ?
[02:30] <Kangarooo> !report
[02:31] <Kangarooo> ok so is it problem with card?
[02:32] <Kangarooo> psychic: do u have launchpad or ubuntu forum login registered?
[02:33] <Kangarooo> i think 4 video card problems try posting like this one http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7053863
[02:38] <psychic> i dont know
[02:38] <psychic> kangarooo i know other people had the same prob on the same computer
[02:39] <psychic> not mine just the same model
[02:39] <psychic> i fixed i once and then i made the mistakeof using restore
[02:39] <Kangarooo> what restore?
[02:39] <psychic> so it reverted to 800x600 instead of 1024x768
[02:40] <psychic> press esc at start up
[02:40] <psychic> and i used the restore to last good config
[02:40] <psychic> i did that to try to fix some other problems
[02:41] <Kangarooo> aah.. ok i think there must be file with saved settings i just dnot know where.. we can ask others.. who knows where is x settings storred? so the old x conf file can be found?
[02:42] <psychic> yea that would benice
[02:42] <psychic> is it  in etc/x11/?
[02:42] <Kangarooo> everytime settings are changed config file makes new copy.. or something like that
[02:42] <psychic> yea i have a few versions of the configs i notcice
[02:42] <Kangarooo> maybe
[02:43] <psychic> should i just try deleting te new one?
[02:43] <Kangarooo> i know that config has system whitch makes copys..
[02:43] <psychic> i though it might
[02:43] <Kangarooo> its very usefull for experts but not 4 me :)
[02:43] <Kangarooo> well not until im expert also :)
[02:45] <Kangarooo> i dont see.. anyone can help with this problem?
[02:49] <psychic> true
[02:49] <psychic> can i put a screen shot in pastebin
[02:50] <psychic> ?
[02:50] <ball> imagebin
[02:51] <Kangarooo> twitpic.. what more temp pic pastebin webs are ther?
[02:52] <ball> Kangarooo: imagebin.org
[02:54] <Kangarooo> yes good thx :) maybe ubuntu bug reports need new  image bin? and make together with capture image programm - copy to pastebin
[02:54] <Kangarooo> oops copy to imagebin.. auto upload auto open link
[02:54] <acalbaza> ok... silly question... my update manager does not show an update for 9.04?
[02:54] <psychic> kangarooo can i send u a screen shot? maybe u could tell me if i'm looking at the right files for x
[02:54] <Kangarooo> or auto upload auto copy link...
[02:54] <acalbaza> running ibex
[02:55] <Kangarooo> put in imagebin- many ppl will see and first with answer will help
[02:55] <Kangarooo> give link
[02:58] <acalbaza> how else can i upgrade if update manager does not show an update option?
[03:02] <telaviv> Is there a difference between installing ubuntu then and installing xfce-desktop, and installing xubuntu?
[03:02] <psychic> for some reason it wont work
[03:03] <psychic> i uploaded it
[03:03] <psychic> but it isnt showing up
[03:03] <Kangarooo> acalbaza: what verison u have?
[03:03] <psychic> i have been doing it for 7 minuts now
[03:04] <Kangarooo> psychic: why in launchpad i cant put that bug also affects distribution xubuntu? Also affects distribution/package
[03:04] <psychic> i dont know
[03:04] <psychic> thats ur post?
[03:04] <Kangarooo> maybe some one else knows :)
[03:04]  * ball can't figure out Launchpad
[03:05] <ball> I got my photo on there and that's about the limit of my Launchpad prowess
[03:05] <psychic> i couldn't figure out outlook lol
[03:05] <psychic> microsoft...
[03:05]  * Kangarooo is try to digga and figga aut Lauchpad
[03:05] <ball> psychic: that reminds me, I need to install a VNC viewer
[03:06] <psychic> no problem
[03:06] <psychic> hey ball u know anything about display problems
[03:06] <psychic> ?
[03:06] <Kangarooo> 4 2monts already :) and also to figa launchpad way of use for ubuntus
[03:06] <psychic> i am normaly in ubuntu channel
[03:06] <ball> psychic: what's the issue?
[03:06] <psychic> then i relised i had xubuntu
[03:06] <psychic> there over 1000 people in there at any time
[03:06] <psychic> i am only getting as much as 800x600
[03:06] <ball> psychic: the regional channels are a nice way to avoid that.
[03:07] <psychic> i need higher res
[03:07] <ball> psychic: what is your display adaptor?
[03:07] <psychic> mm
[03:07] <Kangarooo> maybe there is no way to report that distribution has problem with xubuntu couse they totaly similar only window sistem changes?
[03:07] <psychic> it might be a trident cyberblade does that sound right?
[03:07] <ball> psychic: I don't know.  What does lspci say?
[03:08] <psychic> ball http://pastebin.com/m48e69565
[03:10] <ball> psychic: it may be worth pasting just line 16 into #xorg along with a "how do I choose the right driver for this?"
[03:10] <ball> ...or check out their Web site.
[03:11] <psychic> ok
[03:11] <psychic> well last time i had this prob i had to comment out a line now i cant remember how
[03:12] <psychic> ball the prob is i did the restore to last good config and that messed it up do u know how to go back to the previous configuration?
[03:13] <ball> psychic: I've never had that problem in Xubuntu, so I don't know, sorry.
[03:15] <Kangarooo> my experience says best is to put all max info about problem in launchpad and then check it next day.. and answer al questions.. and put what could it be affecting.. so ubuntu xubuntu xorg xfce
[03:15] <Kangarooo> psychic: was my forum link usefull with commands?
[03:17] <natjo> is it normal for the auto upgrade to go slow on day of release because usually it is going ~200kB/s but today i'm getting ~50kB/s?
[03:17] <psychic> no i didnt read much  what is it again?
[03:17] <psychic> u know if u go into #ubuntu u might be able to get that answer
[03:17] <psychic> their normaly quite assistful
[03:18] <Kangarooo> well there are all commands 4 video info getting
[03:18] <natjo> okay i'll re-ask there
[03:18] <psychic> whats the link?
[03:18] <Kangarooo> psychic: i think this problem is completley affecting ubuntu also
[03:18] <psychic> well amoung other things
[03:19] <psychic> it would require a more intelligent and effortful society to accomplish a ubuntu based world lol
[03:19] <psychic> kangarooo u agree?
[03:24] <Kangarooo> xubuntu is just a flavor of ubuntu so all problems of xubuntu affects ubuntu. i think 4 video card problems try posting like this one http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7053863 or like this hmmm i cant find other link but it had all commands i used and the more info the bug is hotter and it helped getting bug done with next update :)
[03:25] <Kangarooo> well i have one problem not done.. i recomment contact also ubuntu loco team in ur lcation.. i have one in latvia but ill now lead it since it has no movement and false leader- just a linux person but noone 4 ubuntu
[03:26] <psychic> kangarooo what do u think about this one, what would be the best flavor for a toshiba satallite laptop  2.66ghz  with 512mgs of ram onboard grphics bring the ram down to 470..
[03:27] <ball> brb, need yoghurt
[03:27] <psychic> enjoy
[03:28] <Kangarooo> put max possible ram and xubuntu if u need 4 fast .. if u dont need network neighborhood and dont have other partitions take xubuntu.. if network neighorhood needed - sebd me info how to get it.. couse i couldnt or take ubuntu
[03:29] <psychic> i have both only use xubuntu with the ubuntu intrepid desktop
[03:29] <Kangarooo> take latest 9.04 version xubuntu and install with friends while catching sun and also make them see live
[03:30] <Kangarooo> *i mean try on they comps live cd :)
[03:32] <Kangarooo> i have also both but im waiting  when xubuntu will be easy network neighrhooding.. also using dropbox- good thing when xubuntu will have good NN ill just pop all config to it and on clean install get all back :) and with good NN ill baackup to closest PC :)
[03:52] <kromar> hi
[03:52] <ball> hello kromar
[03:52] <kromar> i installed windows and wanted to ask whats the easiest way to get the grub loader working again
[03:54] <ball> ouch.
[03:54] <ball> I don't know.
[03:54] <ball> ...perhaps it's possible from the livecd though
[03:54] <ball> brb
[03:56] <Kangarooo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:57] <Kangarooo> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[03:57] <Kangarooo> i !google windows ubuntu grub
[03:58] <kromar> thnaks for the links:D gona read and try it
[04:01] <Kangarooo> kromar: thats really no pronblem.. done that 2 times :)
[04:04] <kromar> ya looks really simple
[04:06] <kromar> arr i cant start it from the cd:/
[04:07] <kromar> or is it possible to start the 32 bit version to make it for the 64 bit version?
[04:10] <Kangarooo> why not? kromar
[04:12] <kromar> dont know:D
[04:12] <Kangarooo> shut down pc put cd and start
[04:13] <Kangarooo> and put the correct 64 or 32 version
[04:14] <kromar> is there a way to get the correct hd, partition for it? im not exactly sure where i put it, its on the first harddrive that one im sure but im not sure which partition..
[04:14] <kromar> its sda1 in the partition editor
[04:14] <kromar> would that be hd0,0?
[04:16] <Kangarooo> eeem.. well if u have ubuntu live then start in live mode and check in some system or partition manager..
[04:16] <Kangarooo> and besides- u can change it many times to nr 1 or n2..
[04:17] <kromar> the partition manager only says /dev/sda1
[04:18] <kromar> well the a is for the first harddisk and 1 for the first partition if im not wrong... so that would be hd0,0 right?
[04:21] <kromar> sweet worked perfect:D
[04:21] <Kasm279> i messed up dpkg :(
[04:21] <kromar> only the name of the windofs is still an old one
[04:22] <Kangarooo> i dont know.. if i remember orectly then i have in bios second HDA to start and from there grub load hda0,4
[04:23] <Kasm279> wat do i do:
[04:23] <Kasm279> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:23] <Kasm279> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[04:24] <Kangarooo> u installed updates?
[04:24] <Kangarooo> i think it continues where it stopped when next time started..
[04:25] <Kasm279> i was installing apps and my laptop completely and utterly froze
[04:25] <Kasm279> it happened with kubuntu, too
[04:25] <Kasm279> (befor i changed to xubuntu)
[04:28] <Kasm279> hello?
[04:29] <Kasm279> is anyone there?
[04:31]  * Kasm279 leaves
[04:31] <Kasm279> !dpkg
[05:04] <Aditya> Hi@
[05:05] <Aditya> did anyone notice that the xubuntu alternate CD doesn't work without an Internet connection?
[05:05] <Aditya> Xubuntu 9.04
[05:05] <Aditya> It tries to download the release file and then aborts.
[06:40] <Mood> how do i check the version of my xubuntu?
[06:41] <Florin23> uname -a
[06:42] <Mood> uname only shows linux version. i want xubuntu version
[06:42] <Florin23> uname -m
[06:43] <Mood> cody-somerville: are you around?
[06:43] <Florin23> uname -r
[06:44] <Florin23> uname -v
[06:57] <tavasti> Mood, check what you have in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:58] <Mood> tavasti: i found the solution: either lsb_release -a, or cat /etc/issue should do the trick ;-)
[07:02] <tavasti> in general, /etc/issue can be anything (admin may change it), but that lsb_*, that's interesting, thanks
[07:04] <Mood> ooh- i don't like the ugly lines separating the apps in the panel
[07:04] <Mood> in xfce 4.6
[07:16] <Mood> hmm... xubuntu 8.10->9.04 upgrade re-installs packages i removed... interesting...
[09:15] <Hetor> just upgraded to jaunty
[09:23] <Hetor> is it possible to edit system sound theme?
[09:38] <Sinister> have the church services started yet ?
[10:08] <Hetor> sound stopped working
[10:12] <Hetor> damn alsa
[10:13] <R1cochet> what about it?
[10:15] <Hetor> it just crashes every day and all I can do about it is restarting my comp
[10:15] <R1cochet> weird
[10:15] <R1cochet> what version of xubuntu?
[10:16] <Hetor> jaunty
[10:16] <Hetor> it also happened in interpid
[10:16] <R1cochet> no probs on intrepid for me
[10:17] <R1cochet> i just ran jaunty on live cd and there was an option to run oss
[10:17] <TheSheep> Hetor: check the logs in /var/log, the ones with .0 are from the previous boot
[10:18] <Hetor> ok
[10:19] <R1cochet> hi TheSheep
[10:19] <R1cochet> any1 know why xubuntu doesnt come w/ OOo3?
[10:21] <Hetor> TheSheep: which one should I check?
[10:21] <ablomen> R1cochet, because open office is huge and heavy, but offcourse you can install it with add/remove software
[10:25] <TheSheep> Hetor: messages for start
[10:43] <tavasti> is do-release-upgrade ok method for upgrading xubuntu, or should I use some GUI tool for it?
[10:45] <tavasti> release notes recommends GUI
[12:46] <basajaun> problem mounting ntfs usb drive after upgrade to 9.04                          -----
[12:47] <TheSheep> !bugs | basajaun
[12:53] <basajaun> I am looking for a solution
[12:54] <TheSheep> basajaun: there might be a solution documented on teh bugtracker
[12:54] <TheSheep> if someone already reported a similar bug
[12:56] <M0m023> Excuse me I am pretty new to xubuntu 9.04 I just changed over from ubuntu today... Works fine. But my Wifi PCMCIA Card with Atheros Chipset is not found. The documentation for ubuntu said it should work out of the box... Somebody know where i should look to find a solution?
[12:57] <TheSheep> M0m023: system->hardware drivers doesn't list it?
[12:57] <M0m023> btw it stoped working on ubuntu 9.04 rc
[12:57] <TheSheep> M0m023: how about lspci?
[12:58] <M0m023> lspci shows this: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[12:58] <M0m023> but iwconfig nothing
[12:58] <TheSheep> M0m023: anything related to it in dmesg | less ?
[12:59] <TheSheep> M0m023: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1134165
[13:00] <M0m023> thanks to all i will try the thread
[13:00] <M0m023> dmsg | less shows nothing
[13:03] <TheSheep> dmesg
[13:04] <M0m023> sorry to fast
[13:06] <M0m023> dmesg | less shows me : "[    0.000000]  BIOS-e820: 000000003ff7e000 - 000000003ff80000 (ACPI NVS) :" in the last line and i dont get back to the command line nor can i close it via alt+q or ctr+c
[13:08] <TheSheep> you can scroll with arrows and pgup/pgdown, and quit with q
[13:09] <M0m023> what shall i look for?
[13:09] <TheSheep> something about loading kernel module for your card, and any errors with ti
[13:09] <TheSheep> it
[13:09] <M0m023> will do thanks!
[13:11] <Foxkeh> Hey, guys, guess what?
[13:12] <TheSheep> you upgraded and somethng broke
[13:12] <Foxkeh> Lol, no.
[13:12] <Foxkeh> I've so far only uninstalled 8.10.
[13:12] <Foxkeh> But, instead of Jaunty breaking on me, I'm gonna upgrade to Ubuntu!
[13:13] <TheSheep> hardware upgrade along the way?
[13:13] <Foxkeh> Well, ok, so it may break.
[13:13] <Foxkeh> No.
[13:13] <Foxkeh> That's the cool thing, my five year old computer can run it, it disables Compiz on me, but who cares? I wanted Gnome.
[13:13] <TheSheep> good for you
[13:13] <M0m023> [ 4510.179279] ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
[13:13] <M0m023> [ 4510.181783] ath_hal: 0.9.18.0 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
[13:13] <M0m023> [ 4510.205240] wlan: 0.9.4
[13:13] <M0m023> [ 4510.217319] ath_pci: 0.9.4
[13:14] <M0m023> is what i thinkcould be related
[13:14] <M0m023> no errsors
[13:14] <TheSheep> M0m023: looks like it loads fine
[13:14] <M0m023> errors
[13:14] <Foxkeh> So, any bugs with Xubuntu 9.04?
[13:14] <M0m023> i think wlan1 is my usb wifi
[13:15] <TheSheep> M0m023: you did check if your didn't disable wifi with some button or something?
[13:15] <M0m023> i am online via wifi with the usb stick but iwant my better atheros pcmcia card to work
[13:16] <M0m023> TheSheep: just a fresh install of xubuntu
[13:16] <TheSheep> M0m023: some laptops have a button to disable wifi...
[13:17] <M0m023> TheSheep: I Have a thinkpad t30 there is no button sorry
[13:20] <TheSheep> M0m023: it would be an easy solution ;)
[13:20] <TheSheep> M0m023: you could try to search teh forums further, and the bugtracker
[13:20] <TheSheep> and maybe also ask at #ubuntu, as this is not specific to xubuntu
[13:21] <M0m023> TheSheep: would have been very happy if it was that :) Will do thanks!
[13:22] <M0m023> bye
[13:33]  * Pres-Gas sighs
[13:34] <Pres-Gas> What a pretty little distro we have.
[13:34] <Pres-Gas> This is the FIRST time I have not had to change GDM and the first time I have done minimal tweaking to the xfce goodies
[13:46] <Photoguy> Are there any good servers for Xubuntu 9.04? Maybe a good torrent?
[13:47] <Photoguy> Right now it's only going 30kbs
[13:59] <SiDi> Photoguy, the french update servers are up at the moment
[13:59] <SiDi> ive got 600kB/s, my max bandwidth
[13:59] <Photoguy> Wow
[14:00] <Photoguy> SiDi, This one?   France (free.fr)
[14:00] <SiDi> Sec, Photoguy
[14:01] <SiDi> Free will be overloaded during the day
[14:01] <SiDi> Is there any related to the university of nantes ?
[14:01] <Photoguy> I don't see any..
[14:01] <Photoguy> They are all according to country
[14:02] <SiDi> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=desktop-newest&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntu.univ-nantes.fr%2Fubuntu-cd%2F&arch=i386
[14:02] <SiDi> They have an huge bandwidth and usually no downloaders
[14:02] <Photoguy> Oh, I was talking about Xubuntu
[14:03] <SiDi> Gonna find the direct URI to their mirrors :)
[14:03] <SiDi> they have xubuntu too
[14:03] <Photoguy> Oh, really?
[14:04]  * Photoguy joins the search
[14:04] <SiDi> Actually they dont :@
[14:04] <SiDi> they have edu and ku but not xu :(
[14:04] <SiDi> I'll have to mail them...
[14:05] <Photoguy> :-/
[14:05] <SiDi> ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.xubuntu.com/releases/9.04/release/ try these, or try the torrent
[14:05] <Photoguy> Oh well, mine is going a reasonable 100kbps
[14:05] <SiDi> torrents should be well-seeded
[14:06] <SiDi> anyways if you're having trouble, free.fr got an awesome bandwidth in the mornings :P but will half of france downloading on their servers by the evening, their bandwidth then falls a little
[14:06] <Photoguy> That's where I am, but I'm doing the normal download
[14:06] <Photoguy> What country are you in?
[14:07] <Photoguy> SiDi ^
[14:07] <SiDi> In france :P
[14:08] <Photoguy> Ah, I'm Israel..
[14:08] <Photoguy> Same as Germany time.
[14:08] <SiDi> Free.fr is the 3rd ISP here. they got bleeding-edge network (and the worst ever tech support), and they offer websites with FTPs for anyone in france, even if not a client :P
[14:08] <Slonkie> gmt +1
[14:08] <SiDi> i got 20gbs of storage space there :)
[14:08] <SiDi> Yeh its gmt+1 here too
[14:09] <Photoguy> Ok
[14:09] <Photoguy> Wow
[14:27] <Photoguy> SiDi, Did you email them?
[14:29] <SiDi> I will, one day.. :P
[14:30] <Photoguy> No problem..
[14:30] <Photoguy> Mine speeded up..
[14:31] <Photoguy> But it keeps slowing down.
[14:31] <Photoguy> :P
[15:37] <penguen_> hi. how do you spell xubuntu?
[15:37] <Pres-Gas> You got it penguen_
[15:39] <penguen_> thanks :)
[15:42] <sarts> lol
[15:52] <Kerio> hello
[15:52] <Kerio> xubuntu or regular ubuntu, thats the question :)
[15:53] <sarts> that's like: cappuchino or latte
[15:53] <charlie-tca> I go with Xubuntu everytime.
[15:53] <sarts> how do you want a decent answer? ;)
[15:54] <Kerio> hehe
[15:54] <Kerio> omg, 10MB/s from ftp!
[15:54] <Kerio> nice mirrors :)
[15:54] <charlie-tca> And that is only the beginning
[15:55] <Kerio> if i install xubuntu, is it hard to change which os to boot first in grub?
[15:55] <Kerio> if i decide to keep xp
[15:55] <charlie-tca> you simply edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[15:55] <sarts> it isn't hard :)
[15:56] <Kerio> yea? "gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" and then change it?
[15:56] <Kerio> the order
[15:57] <Kerio> should work wright?
[15:57] <Kerio> hmm, right or wright
[15:57] <Kerio> forgetting my english
[15:58] <charlie-tca> gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the default  0 on line 14 or so to the number of the OS you want to boot first
[15:59] <Kerio> 0 = to boot first=
[15:59] <Kerio> ?
[15:59] <Kerio> 1 = boot second?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> 0 is the first entry down at the bottom of the file. After you get it installed, you count the entries down to what you want to boot first
[16:00] <Kerio> okok, thx. I'll give it a shot
[16:01] <charlie-tca> mine is 5, for the fifth entry
[16:01] <Kerio> aha
[16:01] <Kerio> that easy ey? :)
[16:01] <Kerio> burning a copy know
[16:02] <Kerio> gparted can resize partitions without causing catastrophy - right?
[16:02] <charlie-tca> You should always backup what you do not want to lose.
[16:03] <Kerio> example, got a 436gb in ntfs where i store stuff. usually no problem resizing it?
[16:04] <Kerio> nothings foolproof but pretty much?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> I never use ntfs, but have not seen many reports of it giving problems.
[16:05] <charlie-tca> !windows
[16:05] <charlie-tca> no
[16:06] <Kerio> ok, thx
[16:06] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
[16:24] <Aquina> Do you think it will be possible to upgrade from (X)Ubuntu 8.04 LTS to 11.04LTS? (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades suggests this a bit by saying "The upgrade will not be presented by default because 8.10 is not a Long Term Support (LTS) release.")
[16:24] <SiDi> Aquina, it will
[16:25] <Aquina> thx! :-))
[16:26] <Hetor> anyone was having problems with reset button? It doesn't work for me sometimes
[16:26] <SiDi> Does anyone know if we have a baobab xfce equivalent ?
[16:26] <SiDi> Hetor, ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[16:27] <Aquina> Sure try: Filelight (Philesight)
[16:27] <Aquina> :)
[16:54] <SiDi> Aquina, thanks
[16:57] <SiDi> ew, its a kde app.
[17:07] <awway> gdmap is about visualization disk space
[17:11] <SiDi> Pfft, no sound now :(
[17:47] <theuser1> what is the package name for kde 4.1 ? . i have 4.2.2 and what to remove it. but keep its setting and install kde 4.1 ?
[17:47] <J_Litewski> heh, i just fixed a BIOS corruption.
[17:47] <charlie-tca> theuser1: You would have better luck on #kubuntu. We work with Xfce here
[17:48] <theuser1> i
[17:48] <theuser1> ok
[17:48] <J_Litewski> now, does anyone know how to solder a BIOS battery back onto a laptop motherboard?
[17:48]  * SiDi compiling ALSA drivers now. i'll make a clean reinstal next time :x
[17:50] <genii> Carefully
[17:51] <J_Litewski> lol genii
[17:51] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski: same as a desktop? (use a small soldering iron) ( Never done either one)
[17:51] <J_Litewski> ah
[17:51] <J_Litewski> i got it taped on atm
[17:51] <J_Litewski> it works, it just takes forever and a day to boot
[17:52] <SiDi> Lol
[17:53] <SiDi> i have to install a tool (xmlto) that has PulseAudio as a dependency in order to install ALSA. Is this normal ?
[17:57] <charlie-tca> PulseAudio library is normal to install ALSA, but I don't know  why xmlto should be. It is just an XML to ??? conversion tool, isn't it?
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Maybe I worded that wrong, the library is part of Xubuntu installation.
[18:03] <SiDi> It is, charlie-tca
[18:03] <SiDi> i need it to compile alsa-utils
[18:03] <SiDi> and it requires pulseaudio :/
[18:04] <SiDi> !info pulseaudio
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Not according to dependencies in synaptic package manager, it doesn't seem to
[18:05] <charlie-tca> You're compiling alsa-utils? Can't just install it?
[18:07] <SiDi> charlie-tca, i wanted the latest :P
[18:07] <SiDi> cause strangely, with the one shipped with jaunty, i was having a poor volume
[18:07] <SiDi> (and it erased my changes in modprobe.d/alsa-utils)
[18:07] <SiDi> (i ended up with no sound, and pulse launching itself :X)
[18:08] <charlie-tca> yeah, I believe alsa-utils will require pulseaudio then.
[18:08] <SiDi> i wonder why i didnt have xfce4-notifyd installed, too
[18:08] <charlie-tca> I keep trying to avoid pulseaudio, but I suspect it is going to be a forced issue.
[18:08] <SiDi> i fear so, too
[18:08] <charlie-tca> We aren't using it, are we?
[18:09] <SiDi> We don't
[18:09] <SiDi> we're still on ALSA afaiik
[18:09] <charlie-tca> I don't have xfce4-notifyd installed. I think we use gnome notify
[18:09] <SiDi> oh, notifyd ?
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Yeah, notifyd
[18:10] <SiDi> I installed it but dunno how to launch it :D
[18:13] <SiDi> I'm gonna reboot the session to see if the daemon launches
[18:19] <SiDi> Back
[18:19] <SiDi> xfce4-notifyd is pretty cool :)
[18:20] <charlie-tca> I have heard that before.
[18:20] <zoredache> can you make it accept notifications from the network?
[18:21] <SiDi> zoredache, do you mean you ssh and then call notify-send ?
[18:21] <SiDi> ( charlie-tca i think notify-osd still looks cooler ^^)
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Aw, cool, cooler, both are good
[18:22] <SiDi> I'll see what features xfce4-notifyd has
[18:22] <SiDi> what bugs me is that at the moment it seems to put all the notifications above each other
[18:22] <SiDi> which isnt a great feature
[18:23] <zoredache> no, I want it to accept messages like Growl on OSX by leaving a udp port open and accepting messages from the network
[18:24] <BSE> SiDi: did you found where is session saved? :D
[18:24] <SiDi> BSE : i will NEVER check that box again :D
[18:24] <BSE> its in ~/cache
[18:24] <SiDi> oh
[18:24] <SiDi> thanks :P
[18:24] <SiDi> zoredache, i really dont know about that then
[18:24] <xae8koo> Hello
[18:25] <xae8koo> Is xbuntu worse than ubuntuwith bluetooth?
[18:25] <zoredache> SiDi: no worries, I'll look at it when I get around to upgrading...
[18:25] <charlie-tca> xae8koo: Should be the same.
[18:25] <xae8koo> Sure? There is a diffrence between kde and xfce...
[18:26] <SiDi> xae8koo, we use the same packages ;)
[18:27] <SiDi> we use the same bluetooth-applet, and gnome-bluez and obex-ftp packages, afaik
[18:27] <SiDi> bluetooth works "out of the box" in xubuntu
[18:27] <xae8koo> Not with my phone!
[18:28] <SiDi> Alt+F2 and +F3 are broken :(
[18:28] <SiDi> xae8koo, with mine it does. :)
[18:28] <xae8koo> Sony ericsson k600i
[18:29] <Bensawsome> hey guys is there a way to get an xubuntu cd shipped to you? cause i saw the ubuntu one but no xubuntu :(
[18:29] <SiDi> Bensawsome, not at the moment
[18:29] <xae8koo> SiDi: Is the shipping free?
[18:29] <SiDi> We dont have direct canonical support, so we don't have funds for shipping CDs.
[18:29] <Bensawsome> oh ok SiDi :(
[18:29] <Bensawsome> thanks
[18:29] <zoredache> Bensawsome: find a friend that has a cd-burner and bandwidth and ask nicely?
[18:29] <Bensawsome> lol yep
[18:30] <xae8koo> IS there any other things like xfce that is bether with bluetooth?
[18:30] <zoredache> better  how
[18:30] <xae8koo> That it can actually pair with my phone
[18:31] <xae8koo> And stay paired
[18:31] <zoredache> dunno, have you tried doing a search for your model of phone and linux and bluetooth?
[18:37] <xae8koo> zoredache: It didn't work
[18:37] <xae8koo> I don't have hidd installed.
[18:38] <xae8koo> Do I need bluez-compat for bluetooth?
[18:38] <zerothis> I had dual monitor working but it quit. I can use xrandr to make extend my desktop  and drag things to is, but both monitors show only the left of it. or the right (not both, one side per monitor)
[18:38] <zoredache> I really don't know anything about it...
[18:38] <zoredache> xae8koo: have you see this?  there may be some tips here.. http://dev.zuckschwerdt.org/openobex/wiki/SupportedPhonesSonyEricsson#SonyEricssonK600iV600iK608i
[19:11] <Yashy> Anyone using cairo-dock in xubuntu? I have the two panels running at once right now.
[19:34] <Aquilai> Is anyone else having problems using the Altgr modifier key?
[19:34] <Aquilai> I was trying to assign Altgr+Left to go to previous workspace/Desktop and Altgr+Right to go to next.
[19:36] <Aquilai> But when I press the key combo the keyboard freezes and to go around this I would have to mouse click onto any window's titlebar and press the keyboard button direction opposite to the one that the window is being dragged to.
[19:37] <Aquilai> Oh I'm using xubuntu 9.04 virtually brand new without any compiz or window related packages installed.
[19:48] <floating> trying to install xubuntu, but when i boot the cd it lets me choose lang, but when i choose "install xubuntu" or check disc for errors" it freezes
[19:51] <floating> i think i had this exact same problem on other pc elsewhere, but didnt try to solve it
[19:51] <floating> how cant i find much info for this from google i wonder
[19:52] <Slonkie> floating tried running the live cd
[19:52] <Slonkie> ?
[19:54] <boscop> my friend has a resolution of 800x600 and he can hardly read  anything because the fonts are too small. how can he change the resolution?
[19:54] <floating> try xubuntu without any change to your computer freezes the pc also
[19:58] <zoredache> boscop: usually that means the video card hasn't been detected properly...   You may need to check to see if you can/should install a restricted driver
[19:59] <floating> can the cd be defect to make it freeze like this again
[20:02] <zoredache> a cd defect could make a system freeze, it could also be insufficent memory, incompatible hardware, or other things
[20:02] <zoredache> floating: btw, how much memory does the computer have
[20:03] <floating> 1GB
[20:07] <alienkid10> this it the eeor: /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000 near line 1: newline in field name '#padding'" from dpkg --configure -a?
[20:07] <floating> ok the cd is bad. how can i burn this so that it works ?
[20:08] <floating> should i try burning with lower speed ? i have only 1 cd-rw disc, which has been burned over many times. i erase it with the fast method and burn the discs with automatic speed option, but that seem to fail to create a working xubuntu disc
[20:10] <alienkid10> this is the error: /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000 near line 1: newline in field name '#padding'" from sudo dpkg --configure -a?
[20:10] <floating> on another pc, when i choose test memory or any other option, i get a popup that says I/O error , boot cd or something
[20:11] <floating> i try burn the same iso with a lower speed ...
[20:11] <floating> i took a complete erase cd/dvd, but this seem to take a long time, ill report back
[20:12] <alienkid10> is there a fix for my problem?
[20:12] <alienkid10> or should I jsut reinstall?
[20:12] <alienkid10> just
[20:13] <alienkid10> anyone?
[20:19] <floating> what does it mean to "finalize" disc or not when burning disc i woner
[20:19] <Foxkeh> I try running sudo dpkg --configure -a and it keeps saying "Parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000" near line 1:" in there it just says "#padding". Any ideas how to get it to run?
[20:20] <Foxkeh> Nevermind it's this "parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000' near line 1:
[20:20] <Foxkeh>  newline in field name `#padding'"
[20:20] <floating> i mean i know that much that if i dont finalize, i might burn more to the disc, but as it is not finalized by default, i guess i can burn images like xubuntu disc without finalizing
[20:23] <floating> ok, burned with slowest possible (8x) and still freezing. i guess i try burn it with "finalizing" next
[20:23] <Foxkeh> Anyone?
[20:33] <SiDi> Is anyone having trouble with keyboard shortcuts ?
[20:33] <SiDi> I really don't feel like reinstalling intrepid tonight
[20:34] <Slonkie> I'M NOT
[20:34] <Slonkie> sorry caps.
[20:34] <SiDi> Damn it
[20:34] <SiDi> they just all stopped working
[20:34] <SiDi> whatever i do..
[20:36] <SiDi> Great, they're absolutely ALL broken. only alt+f4 still works
[20:37] <SiDi> no more system/xfwm shortcuts
[20:37] <SiDi> And it completely ignores keyboard settings, too
[20:41] <Slonkie> That's just great
[20:42] <SiDi> Slonkie, do you mind doing a ps aux | grep gnome please ,
[20:42] <knome> SiDi, that must be because you whining at #xubuntu-devel all the time lately
[20:43] <SiDi> knome, its really a crazy thing :D
[20:43] <SiDi> Alpha 3 was SO stable
[20:43] <knome> hah
[20:43] <Slonkie> http://pastebin.com/m46c41854
[20:43] <SiDi> and it went worse at each release
[20:43] <knome> :P
[20:43] <knome> that must've been because cody-somerville
[20:44] <SiDi> surely
[20:44] <SiDi> bad management :D
[20:44] <SiDi> Thanks Slonkie
[20:44] <Slonkie> np :)
[20:44] <floating> ok, the xubuntu desktop cd is freezing. tried burning the image in 4 ways. what is the difference in the alternate cd ?
[20:47] <floating> i mean what advanced options should i try.. well i guess i burn and see. at least it is 700MB while desktop was much smaller
[20:48] <knome> !alternate
[20:51] <Belding> the alternate cd's have never done me wrong
[20:51] <Belding> almost always have issues with the live cd's
[21:05] <SiDi> Pff
[21:05] <SiDi> 4.6's shortcut manager is COMPLETELY broken :|
[21:09] <cody-somerville> I highly doubt that
[21:10] <Pres-Gas> cody-somerville, must you always have to examine the wounds?   ;)
[21:10] <kromar> hi
[21:10] <Pres-Gas> Hey, kromar
[21:11] <kromar> if i want to run linux in virtual box under windows do i need to install it in virtual box or can i load the one i already have on the drive?
[21:12] <zoredache> installing on a new virtual hard disk would probably be easier and more standard
[21:18] <SiDi> The culprit seems to be that xfce4 itself wasnt updated during the upgrade process :|
[21:19] <basajaun> hi all
[22:21] <linux-hdtv> Hi, thanks for xubuntu. I tried kubuntu 9.04 and it is still quite buggy. how easy is setting up multimedia etc in xubuntu ?
[22:22] <gartral> ok, my friend is running xubuntu 9.04, upped from8.10, he doesnt seem to have a gamma correction
[22:24] <SiDi> linux-hdtv, as in every other ubuntu
[22:24] <SiDi> you run totem, it tells you what misses
[22:24] <SiDi> (or you add medibuntu to your repos and apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-areas)
[22:26] <floating> is there a tutor or a website that gives the recent info on how to install codecs/ flash etc.. and other essential stuff
[22:26] <SiDi> !medibuntu
[22:26] <SiDi> !restricted
[22:27] <SiDi> Here floating
[22:27] <SiDi> see above too, you'll need it
[22:27] <Verus2008> i updated from ubuntu to xubuntu. how can i use the files from the windows xp partition?
[22:27] <fifi_> hi
[22:28] <Verus2008> like pictures an videos. under ubuntu i could go to the xp partition, under xubuntu not
[22:28] <floating> tx
[22:28] <fifi_> I have upgaded my XUBUNTU from 8.10 to 9.04 and now when I move a window I get kicked back to login screen.
[22:29] <fifi_> Has anyone seen this?
[22:29] <fifi_> Please help.
[22:29] <Verus2008> i think here isn anybody who can help me :(
[22:30] <Slonkie> Verus2008
[22:30] <Verus2008> yes?
[22:30] <Slonkie> You'll need to mount your windows xp partition
[22:30] <Verus2008> but how? i cant see it anywhere
[22:30] <zoredache> !ntfs3g | Verus2008
[22:31] <Verus2008> cool
[22:31] <Verus2008> thanks
[22:31] <linux-hdtv> thanks, sidi, in kubuntu, i installed medibuntu now, but with your second command i get:
[22:31] <linux-hdtv> apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-areas
[22:31] <linux-hdtv> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-restricted-areas
[22:31] <SiDi> sudo apt-get update
[22:32] <SiDi> to get the packages from medibuntu in your apt cache first
[22:32] <SiDi> then aptitude search restricted-area, to check the package's actual name
[22:32] <SiDi> then sudo apt-get install <exactname>
[22:32] <knome> it's xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:32]  * SiDi self slaps.
[22:32] <SiDi> I'm really useless today
[22:33] <knome> or are we talking about a different thing? :P
[22:33] <fifi_> I have upgaded my XUBUNTU from 8.10 to 9.04 and now when I move a window I get kicked back to login screen.
[22:33] <SiDi> knome, he's on kubuntu actually :P thats why i said check package, wasnt sure if restricted areas had flavours
[22:34] <fifi_> Does anyone know how to solve this problem with moving windows kicking me out to the login screen?
[22:35] <SiDi> Not me :x
[22:36] <SiDi> Check your .xsession-errors file
[22:36] <fifi_> Totally new to this... how do I do that?
[22:36] <knome> SiDi, kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:37] <SiDi> fifi_, you can just open it with your favourite text editor
[22:37] <SiDi> we might have to need you to put it on a pastebin
[22:37] <knome> fifi_, alt+f2 > mousepad /home/yourusername/.xsession-errors
[22:37] <SiDi> !paste
[22:38] <fifi_> welp... I'm having to IRC on a different system because after that Xubuntu upgrade I literally can't do anything
[22:39] <fifi_> I'll go find the errors file...
[22:39] <fifi_> thanks
[22:40] <SiDi> fifi_, tell us if you see something weird
[22:40] <SiDi> esp. beginning with 'EE'
[22:42] <gorgut> hey guys, I just upgraded to jaunty and I'm having issues with pulsaudio. Are there any known bugs?
[22:43] <SiDi> gorgut, did you use to have GNOME too ?
[22:43] <SiDi> gorgut, the first thing i did was sudo aptitude purge pulseaudio, then things related to sound went much better
[22:43] <SiDi> you can reinstall it after if you want, though
[22:43] <gorgut> SiDi, no, upgraded directly from xubuntu 8.19
[22:44] <gorgut> SiDi, err... 8.10
[22:44] <SiDi> gorgut, i mean, did you ever had gnome/kde before on this 8.10 install ?
[22:44] <gorgut> SiDi, nope. always xfce
[22:44] <SiDi> then you're not meant to have PA at all, afaik :|
[22:45] <SiDi> anyways, try to remove it and you'll see if any app asks for it as a dependency
[22:45] <SiDi> here i've been having sound till it was removed :D
[22:49] <linux-hdtv> sidi, may i ask you, i installed the restricted modules with synaptic now, looks like it added 2 server entries in my boot options, and since i use a usb keyboard i can not select the standard boot.
[22:50] <linux-hdtv> how can i remove the server boot options ?
[22:50] <linux-hdtv> from the cli ?
[22:50] <SiDi> Hm
[22:50] <SiDi> restricted areas doesnt add anything to boot entries :p
[22:50] <SiDi> its just a set of codecs
[22:50] <SiDi> but you can remove them by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:51] <linux-hdtv> i need to remove grub/lilo entries, sidi ...
[22:51] <zoredache> removing the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list wouldn't remove the codes or a new kernel...
[22:51] <SiDi> /boot/grub/menu.lst sorry
[22:51] <SiDi> tiredness
[22:51] <SiDi> and i really don't know about lilo :x
[22:51] <SiDi> zoredache, i'm *really* in a bad state :(
[22:51] <linux-hdtv> thanks, i hope it is using grub
[22:52] <SiDi> All my apologizes.
[22:53] <zoredache> linux-hdtv: use a command like 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image' to see the installed kernel images. use a command like apt-get purge package to remove the one you didn't want
[22:54] <basajaun> upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04 and hell, modules error, usb ntfs drives don't mount, wine entry in app menu disappears and appeard at random and system is much slower than under 8.10, irony is , if I log into the 2.6.27.11 kernel its tells me I am in jaunty no errors and its a beautiful system what is going on ?
[22:56] <zoredache> perhaps you manualy compiled your own video drivers or something and you haven't recompiled for the newer kernel?
[22:58] <madoc> May I ask a question here about my new upgrade in Xubuntu?
[22:59] <zoredache> !ask | madoc
[23:00] <madoc> After my upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04, when I MAXIMIZE any window on my desk top I get kicked out of the session and returned to the login screen.  Help?
[23:00] <linux-hdtv> thanks sidi, that worked.
[23:03] <zoredache> madoc: I would guess it is something related to your video card, or video drivers... I don't know how you would need to troubleshot or fix that though
[23:03] <madoc> Is there a setting I can tweak that has to do with maximizing a window that will not cause my system to close the session?
[23:04] <alec-xubuntu> I have installed a wireless card, but it only works if i open a terminal and ifconfig eth0 down. How can i configure eth0 to be down when xubuntu starts? Also is there a way to get the wireless card to auto connect without needing to click on the ring main thing?
[23:05] <linux-hdtv> i did the purge, thanks zoredache.
[23:05] <madoc> zoredache -- this system worked perfectly with 8.10 and all the preceeding versions.  Why would it fail now?
[23:05] <linux-hdtv> i have sound in kde, but not in mplayer playing avi.
[23:06] <zoredache> madoc: maybe something about the new kernel, or an updated video driver or whatever introduced a bug...
[23:07] <alec-xubuntu> oh and hi ^_^
[23:08] <madoc> so much else is working, Zorodache, is there anyway to diagnoze this.  When I maximize a window there is a brief moment when it shows a blue screen -- like it is choking -- and then bang -- new login screen again.
[23:10] <linux-hdtv> SiDi, thanks for the help, i hope you get good sleep soon.
[23:10] <SiDi> hiya alec-xubuntu :) I don't know about the eth0 issue, but your network-manager should auto connect to networks on which you previously connected; you can right click, edit connections, edit your connection and then ensure that the "auto connect" box is checked, though
[23:10] <SiDi> linux-hdtv, cheers
[23:11] <zoredache> madoc: I suspect I would be tempted to try running from the livecd for a bit to see if a) the video works b) the crash/bug happens
[23:11] <alec-xubuntu> Sidi, i think i have manually configured a wired connection, but it doesnt appear in the network manager. Where can i check to see if it is configured somewhere?
[23:12] <madoc> I'm a total beginner and really just hoping to get this system working like it was.  I could even live WITHOUT ever maximizing a window EXCEPT that firefox is opejning up in a Maximized state and that will cause the crash as well.
[23:12] <zoredache> if it doesnt' happen in the 9.04 livecd, then that would seem to indicate that there is something broken about your setup...
[23:13] <SiDi> alec-xubuntu, wired or wireless ? anyways Right Click the network-manager's tray icon (usually looking like 2 computers), then "Edit connections"
[23:13] <madoc> my cd drive is screwed on this system -- I upgraded off of the update manager.  Is there anyway I can reinstall this OS without a working CD drive
[23:15] <alec-xubuntu> SiDi the wired connection is the one thats causing the problem. I configured the wired connection before intalling the network manager, and now it doesnt look like it has a wired connection however when i use ifconfig after a boot, eth0 is configured with a static ip, even though its not plugged in. I remember configuring it, but i dont remember how i configured it. Im fairly sure i didnt use the network manager
[23:15] <alec-xubuntu> SiDi thank you for you time too =)
[23:15] <ramb0> Good afternoon ...
[23:16] <zoredache> alec-xubuntu: try editing your /etc/network/interfaces... if you had a static set, maybe it is still set there
[23:17] <ramb0> Anybody has tried to connect to the Ubuntu Xserver thru the LAN?
[23:17] <linux-hdtv> sound is workin in avi now too, thanks all :-)
[23:17] <zoredache> ramb0: connect how?  using what service?
[23:17] <alec-xubuntu> zoredache spot on mate! it was in there, thanks!
[23:18] <zoredache> alec-xubuntu: you could change eth0 back to dhcp, or you could simply remove the 'auto eth0 or allow-hotplug eth0' lines
[23:18] <Maxwe> Okay, so here's my scenario: I had been using a programme called "Mnemosyne" (http://mnemosyne-proj.org/index.php) for a LONG time on 8.10, and now that I just upgraded to 9.04, it won't open at all. This is really screwing me up and I need some sort of solution, or a quick, easy way of downgrading so I can export my information from the programme, upgrade again, then re-install this programme on the new system and import the information. ANY IDEAS?!?!?
[23:18] <Maxwe> I'm freaking out a little :P
[23:18] <ramb0> I just have an Ubuntu box without monitor....
[23:18] <alec-xubuntu> hmm i just outright deleted it
[23:19] <ramb0> I just tried this in the host :  xhost +
[23:19] <Maxwe> : '(
[23:19] <Maxwe> Any ideas people?
[23:20] <zoredache> ramb0: did you just set the server up?  have you install an ssh server?
[23:20] <ramb0>  yes of course
[23:20] <madoc> zoredache -- I have gone back to the update manager and been told I need a partial instal... when I click to complete this the update manager fails.  Do you know the code in the terminal for this?  Maybe that will make it work.
[23:21] <knome> Maxwe, if you run the app on terminal, what does it output?
[23:21] <Maxwe> I cannot remember how to run it on terminal.
[23:21] <Maxwe> I haven't had to set up my system in ages.
[23:21] <zoredache> madoc: try doing a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' in the terminal
[23:21] <Maxwe> (Xubuntu is wonderfully stable and is, obviously, the shit)
[23:21] <knome> Maxwe, open the terminal from the applications menu and try mnemosyne
[23:21] <madoc> thanks BRB
[23:21] <Maxwe> Traceback (most recent call last):
[23:21] <Maxwe>   File "/usr/bin/mnemosyne", line 4, in <module>
[23:21] <Maxwe>     import pkg_resources
[23:21] <Maxwe>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2562, in <module>
[23:21] <Maxwe>     working_set.require(__requires__)
[23:21] <Maxwe>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 626, in require
[23:21] <Maxwe>     needed = self.resolve(parse_requirements(requirements))
[23:22] <Maxwe>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 524, in resolve
[23:22] <Maxwe>     raise DistributionNotFound(req)  # XXX put more info here
[23:22] <Maxwe> pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: Mnemosyne==1.2
[23:22] <Maxwe> That is what I receive.
[23:22] <zoredache> !pastebin | Maxwe
[23:22] <Maxwe> Oh yeah.
[23:22] <Maxwe> Lol, forgot about that.
[23:22] <Maxwe> Oh well, I wouldn't really call that a flood, seeing as how so little actual talk is going on right now :P
[23:22] <Maxwe> But yes, that's the output.
[23:23] <alec-xubuntu> How can i prompt xubuntu to open the update wizard? im on 8.10
[23:23] <zoredache> Maxwe: the 'DistributionNotFound' seems like it might be telling that the distro isn't supported
[23:24] <zoredache> have you checked to see if there are updates
[23:24] <ramb0> Hey people: Can anybody tellme how can I enable Ubuntu to answer XDMCP requests?
[23:24] <Maxwe> There are none.
[23:24] <Maxwe> But yes, I did check :D
[23:26] <Maxwe> I think the quickest option would perhaps be to downgrade my system?
[23:27] <zoredache> Maxwe: perhaps... but there is no way to do a downgrade other then to backup, format, reinstall, and restore your data
[23:27] <Maxwe> Well..that is shit, isn't it.
[23:27] <Maxwe> Any ideas then? :P
[23:28] <zoredache> make a backup before you do an upgrade next time, so it is easier to go back...
[23:28] <Maxwe> Yes.
[23:28] <knome> Maxwe, try to contact the developer about this bug? :P
[23:28] <Maxwe> I realized that after I had started the process, but it was being a bitch.
[23:28] <Maxwe> Knome: somehow I doubt that would be a quick, efficient solution.
[23:28] <Maxwe> And everyone forgets to back up once in a while.
[23:28] <ramb0> ZOREDACHE: what I want to do is connect to ubunto via XDMCP. is it possible?
[23:29] <knome> !xdmcp
[23:29] <zoredache> ramb0: Yes it is possible, but I haven't done it...    I know that there are docs on the ltsp portion of the wiki
[23:29] <zoredache> !ltsp
[23:30] <Maxwe> So knome/zoredache: any better ideas? :P
[23:30] <knome> Maxwe, try to contact the developer about this bug? :P
[23:31] <Maxwe> There isn't just some easy way to dowgrade?
[23:31] <knome> no.
[23:32] <Maxwe> Well that's really inefficiently designed then.
[23:32] <ramb0> thankyou very much.
[23:32] <zoredache> Maxwe: can you point to any other major OS that allows easy downgrading from a major update?
[23:32] <knome> Maxwe, there is a reason why you can't downgrade.
[23:32] <zoredache> osx, doesn't, windows doesn't....
[23:33] <Maxwe> True.
[23:33] <Maxwe> But when one upgrades in windoze, things still work.
[23:33] <knome> Maxwe, not *all* the apps.
[23:33] <Maxwe> Dude...I ran windoze for YEARS.
[23:33] <knome> Maxwe, dude, so did i.
[23:33] <Maxwe> I'm about to finish year one on Xubuntu.
[23:33] <Maxwe> But I cannot recall ever having any big problems like this with windoze.
[23:34] <zoredache> Maxwe: my experience strongly disagrees....  (I doen tech support for windows for years)
[23:34] <Maxwe> The only drawbacks were the billions of viruses, malware, and other shit.
[23:34] <SiDi> Maxwe, since when can windows upgrade ?
[23:34] <Maxwe> You can install over a windoze system.
[23:34] <knome> Maxwe, it's day two after release. sooner or later that bug will be fixed.
[23:34] <SiDi> install over, yes. upgrade from win a to win b, no
[23:34] <knome> Maxwe, and it's not actually ubuntu's fault that the app doesn't work.
[23:34] <Maxwe> True.
[23:35] <Maxwe> Still though, why should it make a difference?
[23:35] <Maxwe> Do they edit it THAT much every release?
[23:35] <Maxwe> Do they totally rebuild the kernal or something?
[23:35] <Maxwe> kernel*
[23:35] <SiDi> They edit *a lot* of things every release. They don't only add 2 lines to their kernel
[23:35] <zoredache> Maxwe: dependancies... the application must depend on versions of libraries that have been changed
[23:35] <knome> no, but seemingly the app creator wants to keep that bizarre check on.
[23:36] <SiDi> alec-xubuntu, you mean the "update-manager" ?
[23:36] <alec-xubuntu> Sidi ... oh dear, that sounds highly likely
[23:36] <zoredache> it might be possible to simply setup the application in virtualbox or to build a intrepid chroot to run the app from
[23:37] <alec-xubuntu> Sidi thanks, this is precisely what i was after
[23:37] <SiDi> alec-xubuntu, :)
[23:37] <mib_i83nzjng> hello, xubuntu noob here
[23:37] <SiDi> hello mib_i83nzjng
[23:37] <mib_i83nzjng> i seem to have broken my xubuntu somehow
[23:38] <zoredache> mib_i83nzjng: we need specifics... what happened, what is broke, what have you tried....
[23:38] <SiDi> rebooting x
[23:39] <SiDi> oh, btw, whats the package that puts the "kill x" shortcut back ?
[23:39] <mib_i83nzjng> when i try to start my computer i get an error message like system tray not found
[23:39] <mib_i83nzjng> i don't see any panels anymore
[23:40] <mib_i83nzjng> all i see is my desktop
[23:40] <knome> mib_i83nzjng, alt+f2 > xfce4-panel
[23:40] <mib_i83nzjng> so i'm unable to start any apps or anything
[23:40] <mib_i83nzjng> lemme go try
[23:41] <mib_i83nzjng> brb
[23:43] <SiDi> Shortcuts still not working :( what did i miss :(
[23:43] <Maxwe> ;
[23:44] <mib_i83nzjng> oh sweet! there is a panel now! thankyou thankyou
[23:44] <knome> mib_i83nzjng, np.
[23:45] <mib_i83nzjng> may i also ask, what's the best way to terminate an unresponsive app?
[23:46] <knome> mib_i83nzjng, xkill. i'm not sure if ctrl+esc was the default shortcut for it.
[23:46] <SiDi> I think it was ctrl+Alt+escape
[23:46] <SiDi> hard to check right now though :D
[23:46] <knome> highlt possible.
[23:49] <mib_i83nzjng> ahh i see, ctl-alt-escape seems to be it
[23:49] <mib_i83nzjng> thanks again everyone for the help!
[23:49] <mib_i83nzjng> bye!
[23:53] <Maxwe> Okay, never mind.
[23:53] <Maxwe> Problem solved, thank you people.
[23:53] <Maxwe> Everything works, life is good.
[23:53] <Maxwe> Xubuntu is the shit.
[23:53] <Maxwe> w00t.
[23:54] <basajaun> lol
[23:54] <SiDi> Someone minds banning his nickname ? ><'
[23:55] <zoredache> who, wha?
 Xubuntu is the shit.
[23:56] <zoredache> he wasn't registered... there really wouldn't be much point... plus, he meant that it was good
[23:56] <SiDi> Meh.
[23:57] <zoredache> it is slightly offensive, but I doubt he will be back, and if he is, I suspect a simple warning would discourage his choice of language....
[23:57] <SiDi> you're right.